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rt_0891
October 3rd, 2005, 06:13 AM
East, West in for milder winter, forecast says


Sunday, October 2, 2005 Posted at 11:18 AM EDT

Canadian Press

Canadians in the East and West can look forward to unseasonably mild weather in the months ahead but most of Ontario and Quebec will likely have to deal with a normal Canadian diet of cold and snow, says Environment Canada.

The weather agency has released its preliminary winter forecast and it appears most of the country can hope for some respite from old man winter.

“What we're saying is from Vancouver to Thunder Bay, Ont., that western part of Canada is looking like it'll be warmer than normal, so it's a continuation of what the fall has been like,” says senior climatologist David Phillips.

“And then also pretty much the Maritimes, Gaspe and Atlantic Canada is also going to be warmer than normal. But in Ontario and Quebec, (the forecast) is near normal,” he says.

But because some regions got so much snow last year — southern Ontario got 25 per cent more than normal — Mr. Phillips is predicting less snow compared to last winter. Sort of.

“We're seeing precipitations below normal. Now, that doesn't always mean less snow because we never say the type of precipitation. It could be (you have) below normal precipitation but your snowfall is higher because you have less rainfall,” he says.

But he's willing to say with more certainty that ski resorts in British Columbia should be happy with this year's winter.

“I'm almost sure of one thing. Last year was the worst season on record for skiing in British Columbia and I would almost bet my pension on the fact that they're not going to have a repeat of that,” Mr. Phillips says.

“And the reason I say that is it was so incredibly wet — from rain and not snow and right off the record map — that you never have two years in a row that you break records. It's a safe bet.”

Mr. Phillips says the reason it's likely to be so mild for much of the country is the unusually hot summer has left heat trapped in the ground and water.

“(The last) four months have been warmer than normal so there's a lot of stored heat in the lakes and the rivers and the land and the soil,” Mr. Phillips says.

“It's going to take a little while before that heat gets away.”

He says it's pretty clear that an early dose of winter isn't imminent because it hasn't even hit the northern parts of Canada yet.

“Until winter arrives in the North, it's not going to arrive in the south, that's where winter comes from,” Mr. Phillips says.

But he says Canadians shouldn't get their hopes too high.

“Hey, we're the second coldest country in the world, we've never cancelled winter in this country,” Mr. Phillips says.

He also warns that while Environment Canada got last year's winter prediction right, there are no guarantees.

Science has made forecasting much easier and more accurate, but it's still an inexact science.

“It's not like Malta or Cyprus, where it's easy to forecast the weather. These seasonal forecasts are very difficult in Canada because we are so far north. But we're getting better at it,” Mr. Phillips says.

“I would've said five, six or seven years ago, if you wanted the forecast, go get the Farmer's Almanac. But now there is some science to it and what's driving that is we're monitoring the oceans better.”

He says that in years where there is an El Nino or La Nina — and there isn't this year — it's easy to predict the weather.

A La Nina means colder waters in the Pacific and a colder than normal winter.

Mr. Phillips says the trend over the last few years has been for milder winters.

“We've had a preponderance of winters in the last several years that have been warmer than normal,” he says. “The old-timers will tell me, ‘Yeah the winters aren't what they used to be,' and I used to think, ‘No, no, you just don't have a good memory.' Well, they're absolutely right,” Phillips says.

“I don't know whether it's global warming or what have you but to get a good old-fashioned cold winter, there is less probability now than there used to be.”

.affed
October 3rd, 2005, 06:56 AM
Well, all I can say is that the past few days in Montreal have been nothing short of glorious. The forecast for tomorrow is 27!!

If this is a normal fall/winter... then bring it on!

CrazyCanuck
October 3rd, 2005, 07:08 AM
T.O.'s weather is supposed to be pretty nice tomorrow as well, the weather man told me to bring back out my flip flops.

The Chemist
October 3rd, 2005, 06:09 PM
Unusually hot summer? Obviously they weren't in Calgary, where we had the 5th coldest and 9th wettest summer on record. And it's snowing this morning, so I'd say this forecast is about useless. I'm expecting a snowier winter than normal, considering how dry our recent winters have been.

vid
October 3rd, 2005, 06:48 PM
"“What we're saying is from Vancouver to Thunder Bay, Ont., that western part of Canada is looking like it'll be warmer than normal, so it's a continuation of what the fall has been like,” says senior climatologist David Phillips."

WE WERE MENTIONED!!!! IN THE NEWS MEDIA!!

Wow! It really is orgasmic!




........

It has been really hot here lately. Good to know it'll continue. We were really close to getting our heat shut off last year. And they're supposed to be 65% higher this year... crazy.

TooFar
October 3rd, 2005, 07:08 PM
Well, all I can say is that the past few days in Montreal have been nothing short of glorious. The forecast for tomorrow is 27!!

If this is a normal fall/winter... then bring it on!
In most other countries it is... :shocked:

*Jarrod
October 3rd, 2005, 07:55 PM
it's cold here in victoria. yesterday we only reached something like 12. right now it's about 9. and it's dreary. i just want to crawl back into bed (not because of that, just because i'm tired)

habsfan
October 3rd, 2005, 08:07 PM
currently 27 degrees on René-Lévesque Blvd. Hard to believe it's october third!

crazyjoeda
October 3rd, 2005, 11:08 PM
Its a nice day in Vancouver after about 5 days of rain. Today its sunny with a some clouds and its a mild 17c out, so im not complaining.

I don't trust long range forcasts they are almost never right.

Hillis
October 3rd, 2005, 11:19 PM
Wednesday - Monday
27°C 25°C 8°C 9°C 5°C 14°C

Yikes... the arctic winds are coming!

Oaronuviss
October 3rd, 2005, 11:56 PM
Our winter better be QUICK and warm...that's all I have to say.
Mwhahahaha.
:banana2:

Nate
October 4th, 2005, 02:31 AM
Well it's been hovering around 0 in Regina lately. And when they say mild, do they mean that we'll only go down to an average of -15 or so? :tongue2: I'm sure we'll get our yearly cold snap though... those are pretty much a given.


Oooo, I just looked up... we are supposed to be 17 on Friday :D... break out the shorts and tanning lotion. Woohoo! :pepper:

cmd uw
October 4th, 2005, 06:38 AM
Unusually hot summer? Obviously they weren't in Calgary, where we had the 5th coldest and 9th wettest summer on record. And it's snowing this morning, so I'd say this forecast is about useless. I'm expecting a snowier winter than normal, considering how dry our recent winters have been.
True, our summer (Edmonton) was quite shitty and fall has arrived very quickly. F*ck this I say.....

Ontario and Quebec had a stellar summer and it seems like it hasn't even let up.

addisonwesley
October 4th, 2005, 06:44 AM
^^By the end of this week.

rt_0891
October 4th, 2005, 06:47 AM
I'm surprised this was issued. I'm at KW right now, and the air's clean and fresh.

Toronto prepares for more smog

By STEVE ERWIN

Monday, October 3, 2005 Posted at 6:18 PM EDT

Canadian Press

Toronto — Rare October smog warnings were issued Monday for much of Ontario as a result of unseasonably warm fall temperatures and what provincial officials say is a steady stream of polluted air from south of the border.

Ontario's Environment Ministry issued the smog advisory early Monday “until further notice” for parts of southern, central and eastern Ontario.

The warning covers a wide area from east of the Niagara region, through the Hamilton, Toronto and Peterborough areas and east to the Quinte region, which includes Belleville and Trenton.

A smog advisory is issued when there is a high probability for elevated smog levels.

The ministry blamed the latest warnings, which are uncommon in autumn, on “hot, sunny and hazy conditions combined with a light flow of polluted air from the United States and local build-up of pollutants.”

According to Environment Ministry spokesman John Steele, there have now been 15 advisories issued this year covering 50 days, compared to eight advisories for 20 days last year.

The actual number of poor air quality days, however, has actually reached 59 this year, and will hit 61 on Wednesday — nearly double the 34 poor air days seen last year, according to the Ontario Medical Association.

The OMA said it believes its tallies, based on actual days that air quality readings reach a certain level somewhere in the province, are a better gauge of air quality conditions.

Regardless of the discrepancy in the numbers, the Environment Ministry blamed much of the problem on pollution drifting north from the United States.

“During the summer months, more than half of Ontario's smog-causing pollution originates in the United States,” the ministry said in a statement, adding that “in cooler months, domestic sources can be significant contributors to the formation of fine particulate matter.”

The province had been expecting more fall and winter smog advisory days this year because it has changed the way it calculates the amount of “small particulate” in the air, which is generally dirt emitted mostly from coal-fired power generation stations, Mr. Steele said.

vid
October 4th, 2005, 05:50 PM
Funny, how Thunder Bay has "the most polluting coal plant in Canada" (according to tree huggers, and the liberals. And I really find that hard to believe too) and a "lot" of pulp plants, but we have cleaner air than Sault Ste. Marie, or Sudbury.

Makes you think...

addisonwesley
October 4th, 2005, 10:45 PM
“During the summer months, more than half of Ontario's smog-causing pollution originates in the United States,” the ministry said in a statement, adding that “in cooler months, domestic sources can be significant contributors to the formation of fine particulate matter.”