Everyone likes voting :D

edit: some photos (mostly from this thread)

Frankfurt

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3766/frankfurttowersnachtslv5.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3352/frankfurtpanoentfernungve5.jpg
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/97/frankfurtlongislandlounsk3.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9771/frankfurtrmerbergmainbluh7.jpg


Paris

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/La_Garenne_et_La_D%C3%A9fense.JPG/900px-La_Garenne_et_La_D%C3%A9fense.JPG
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2145/2048168445_6be9f78767_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2052/1749156339_51a05cde85_b.jpg


London

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2372/2176765954_a8d2dabbfb_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2126/2163741840_872111e238_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2006/2176696450_1ef48f31bd_o.jpg


Istanbul

http://i29.tinypic.com/2z5qd6p.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/zhjakob/Projects/6wxxh5u.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/zhjakob/Projects/8fm77ua.jpg


Warsaw

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Warsaw8cr.jpg/800px-Warsaw8cr.jpg
http://czarnota.org/gallery/albums/warszawa/Panoramy/2007_10_18/2007_10_16_-_001_-_Warszawa.jpg
http://czarnota.org/gallery/albums/warszawa/Panoramy/2007_10_18/2007_10_16_-_007_-_Warszawa.jpg


Rotterdam

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http://huibnederhof.nl/webspace4/Rotterdam%20begin%202008_mh.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3030/img73412is7.jpg
http://207.44.228.232/images/B03/3243.jpg


Moscow

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q251/Kirhack/DSC00047.jpg
http://skyscrapers.ru/gallery/d/10652-1/07.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=e438278c1db55faaa30db41daa371e17
http://i010.radikal.ru/0805/e3/613d27273dc2.jpg


Vienna

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2756/2vr8.jpg
http://www.axel-hahn.de/axel/images/fotos_200304_wien/131-3137_img.jpg


Benidorm

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http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2769/benidorm0340yd4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/lapsvs/benidorm5.jpg


Madrid

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1024/719032948_d786f40644_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2159/1544505289_8ef74cf3fd_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2261/2104394534_4af0e9d9c1.jpg?v=0


Napoli

http://i15.tinypic.com/688yrnr.jpg
http://www.alfonsomartone.itb.it/sqhawj.jpg


Berlin

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8508/6464349pr4.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8933/7182883qd9.jpg


Barcelona

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/7227/2557535333dc87174a15bbc3.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8135/14aha6.jpg


Essen

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/124/336475159_f017164997_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/424242239_8bbd0a98c0_b.jpg
http://l.yimg.com/www.flickr.com/images/spaceball.gif

Multiple choices are allowed to reduce patriotic effect :).

Top skyline is intepretated as top height(s) by me, so whitout a doubt Benidorm! Simply because it's ranked #1 in Europe how Hong Kong is ranked #1 in the world.

Where is Malmö?

^^ Sweden ;)

Not bad for A City without a building taller than 151 meters.

No, not bad, maybe not the tallest, but Rotterdam has one of the most beautiful skylines IMO:)

A tough choice but I go for La Défense in Paris.

great poll for once :D

Yeah... Out of 36 voters on Rotterdam, there is only ONE person from outside The Netherlands. :tongue3:

/\ that would be me, no?

Yeah... Out of 36 voters on Rotterdam, there is only ONE person from outside The Netherlands. :tongue3:

Out of 48 there are some more non-Dutch voters, which is way better than with some cities, which ONLY have Dutch voters.

Conclusion: We Dutch people just really love to vote!!!

I voted for Frankfurt and Paris too.

I voted for Frankfurt.

WHere is Malmö :O

Frankfurt, Paris and Warsaw.

ahhaa... crazy :D
If you are SERIOUS this SKYLINE doesnt belong in Top 14... then... yeah you are crazy and dunno what...
http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/9638/2642s0kx.jpg
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/9547/img1329s7mh.jpg

I agree. It's better than half of the choices presented.

But really, European skylines are all pathetic.

Calgary, Canada. Population 900,000

http://img.photosight.ru/2005/09/23/1048226.jpg

:D

Istanbul by far, for me. :) Though Warsaw is a tie. ;)

Frankfurt, Paris, Warsaw and Rotterdam. :)

@ Pan Stanislav:

Rotterdam, population less than 600.000

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/bvdscheur/Steden/skylinerotterdam2005pano.jpg
Picture by Hoogbouw010 of the Dutch forum.

And still some nice towers u/c and in development!

I don't really see skyscrapers. Looks like many highrises of different use. More than half look residential.

^Then open your eyes!;)

I CAN SEE! I CAN SEE! Ah the world is so beautiful! Why hadn't nobody suggested this to me before!

I don't like Warsaw, think it's ugly. Same goes for Istanbul.

My votes:

Paris
Frankfurt
Benidorm
Rotterdam

i voted:
Frankfurt= good hight, good design, nicely spread out(i find)
Paris= c´est la Defense!!
London= i find it nice already and it will only improve
Istanbul= many reasonable clusters
Warsaw= already good and always improving
Berlin= no really skyline but i love the many different shapes which yet make a skyline.

didnt vote:
Moscow= many breathtaking single buildings...but not as a whole and too much commie
Vienna= not very outstanding
Rotterdam= quite good as a skyline but the single buildings are mostly outermost common or less than that.
Benidorm= come on...that looks awful
Madrid= will be good somewhen
Napoli= as yet its just ok with some special buildings
Barcelona= some good buildings mixed with very bad ones and not very skylinelike
Essen= these few buildings?

Adana, Turkey

http://www.sebatprofil.com/werr2/34.JPG

http://www.sebatprofil.com/werr2/20.JPG

Sao Adanao :D

Antalio de Janeiro

http://skyscrapercity.com/images/forumheaders/16.jpg

voted top 6 choices, lol

Wow, Adana is commieblock overdose!

I think Lisbon deserved to be there.. my vote goes to London nevertheless

I don't like Warsaw, think it's ugly. Same goes for Istanbul.

My votes:

Paris
Frankfurt
Benidorm
Rotterdam


Warsaw is extraordinary city, the most GREEN city in Europe and the old town is magnificent ...

The mixture of the new architecture with old one, makes Warsaw exiting and so attractive ...
i find that the skyline of this city is one of the most beautiful i have ever seen here ...

Warsaw is the 2nd Berlin, city with a rich future ... also the city is rich even now ...


"ugly you said " sorry ... maybe 10 years ago ... but not now ...

I was there 4 time and i'm french ...

I have to agree with angelika, Warsaw is not ugly!

But btw. Berlin is the greenest city in europe

"Where is Malmö?"

Why should it be on the list?? Do you think so??? The turning torso is ok, bu the rest of the city is nothing, a skyline consists of more than one building!!

Warsaw - Rondo1, PKiN, Continental, etc...

Berlin for me!

Hope you like my pics of warsaw's skyline

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/adecapitated/DSCF1576.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/adecapitated/DSCF1587.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/adecapitated/DSCF1605.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/adecapitated/DSCF1606.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/adecapitated/DSCF1616.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/adecapitated/DSCF1687.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/adecapitated/DSCF1707.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/adecapitated/DSCF1704.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/adecapitated/DSCF1218.jpg

@Warschau-pics:Not bad at all :)

Frankfurt

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/2875/frankfurt19jb.jpg
http://img491.imageshack.us/img491/8664/frankfurt7jt.jpg
http://www.xtri.com/2003/07/975-1.jpg
http://www.labellepoque.de/frankfurt/ezb3.jpg

Frankfurt, London and Warsaw. In some 5-6 years it might be Frankfurt, London, Warsaw and Moscow

Frankfurt,Paris,London and Moscow...my opinion

Frankfurt looks very 'new yorkish' on these photos.
What can make a city more qualified for the Europe's no. 1 skyline?

But btw. Berlin is the greenest city in europe

Are you sure? In Berlin 41% are green (parks, forests, agrocultural areas), water or just free space (I guess "free" can also mean a concrete square).
Hamburg for example had ca. 49% green (parks, forests, agrocultural areas) and water space in 1996 and I think it hasn't changed so much since then. The free space in the Hamburg figure is not counted here, because the responsible office here mixes built and free space.

Paris London Frankfurt

I like Warsaw building but ..

Many scrapers in Paris are ugly

http://rulzofpunk.free.fr/photos/paris/vue_tour.jpg
http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/newsite/photos/anv02.jpg
http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/newsite/photos/dae01.jpg
http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/newsite/photos/ita01.jpg
http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/newsite/photos/mer01.jpg
http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/newsite/photos/lud01.jpg

Tower in project and in construction

CBX tower
http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/newsite/photos/cbx49.jpg
http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/newsite/photos/cbx46.jpg

Levallois towers 1and 2
http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/newsite/photos/lvp01.jpg

granite tower
http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/newsite/photos/gra02.jpg

T1 Tower
http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/newsite/photos/t1005.jpg

where is leeuwarden? no i'm kidding :)
but be honest, this ain't bad for a 90000 population city?

http://www.bordine.nl/leeuwarden_bestanden/image050.jpg

I vote for Frankfurt.

http://img-a.******************/ram/new/4368056.jpg

Check out the newest Skyscraper rising up on the right.

Are you sure? In Berlin 41% are green (parks, forests, agrocultural areas), water or just free space (I guess "free" can also mean a concrete square).
Hamburg for example had ca. 49% green (parks, forests, agrocultural areas) and water space in 1996 and I think it hasn't changed so much since then. The free space in the Hamburg figure is not counted here, because the responsible office here mixes built and free space.


No, I´m not sure :)

But I heard so much about Berlin and greenest city in europe etc.

What you say sounds possible...

DiggerD21

but hamburg is a bit smaller than berlin

Leeuwarden! hehe :)

no, but be honest, not bad for a 90000 populated city :)

http://spaces.msn.com/members/tosti/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c01_photoalbum=showdefault&_c=photoalbum

http://spaces.msn.com/members/tosti/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c01_photoalbum=showdefault&_c=photoalbum

oow, I see that I have already posted here somethin'
oeps...

IMO

Frankfurt
London
Istanbul
Moscow
rotterdam
Warsaw

Frankfurt & Benidorm for density.
:yes:
Paris & Barcelona for beauty.
:wink2:

frankfurt, got to be honest

2 is paris la defense, very impressive one. you have to see it in real life , because on the pics you dont see the massive scale of it.

3 maybe warsaw. i like it from the pics

4 london. although very beautiful its not impressive at all , canary warf looks like a small CBD compared to la defense when you walk in it. but from the distance, its nice.

5 rotterdam. i love rotterdam and it will only get better. the future NYC of europe;)

Frankfurt and Rotterdam.

PARIS




http://www.hiboox.com/vignettes/506/daszf-w.jpg (http://www.hiboox.com/image.php?img=daszf-w.jpg)


not ugly

1st. frankfurt, got to be honest

2nd. paris la defense, very impressive one. you have to see it in real life , because on the pics you dont see the massive scale of it.Overall, I agree with this. Simply because the individual towers in Frankfurt are of better quality and also taller than the one in Paris. And overall, that's the most decisive.

The only advantage Paris would have on Frankfurt would be the density, the "urban feeling". Frankfurt towers are far of one another, there's no canyon effects in Frankfurt. In Paris you can find this around the Northern part of the Boulevard Circulaire. But I agree with you Rocky that this little advantage from La Défense is really few compared to the class of Frankfurt's scrapers.

Frankfurt Easy... then probably London.

I think London is so overrated. Yes it has quite some height and quite a few skyscrapers, but the city itself is so big, that there isn't any real density! And that is something I definately think that it should be in a skyline, some density... I think Paris, Frankfurt, Rotterdam, Warsaw, Istanbul and Vienna all have a better skyline.

Frankfurt, Londen, Paris and Rotterdam

Paris by far, La Defense is better than any european cluster, and on top of that Paris has many other clusters as we have seen in the pics above.

Since no one, surprisinly, have posted any pics of London i will post a few:

http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/3007/41ob.jpg (http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=41ob.jpg)

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5646/worldsendrw027uz.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldsendrw027uz.jpg)

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7076/39010138ec4266df85b9ys.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=39010138ec4266df85b9ys.jpg)

http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/4711/7423581484408dab2cb0vh.jpg (http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=7423581484408dab2cb0vh.jpg)

Frankfurt - London should catch up and overtake pretty soon though.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/city_night2-01.jpg

I can't see how that's going to happen :D

I vote for London

Barbra Streisand:

I'm in a New Yooooork......

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/08/292100.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/08/385753.gif

I'm in a New York state of mind

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/05/366663.gif

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/07/376528.gif

Istanbul (sort of the local New York City)

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/08/292100.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/08/385753.gif

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/05/366663.gif

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/07/376528.gif

Ankara (sort of the local Seattle)

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/05/364583.gif

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/05/366328.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/06/374872.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/06/373883.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/06/375274.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/06/375284.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/06/374860.jpg

Izmir (Aegean Beauty)

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/03/256370.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/03/256388.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/09/297263.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/03/256391.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/09/297809.jpg

Gustave Eiffel's Konak Pier (1890)

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/09/297443.jpg

Gustave Eiffel's Konak Pier (1890)

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/09/297440.jpg

Asansör (1907)

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/03/256418.jpg

Bay of Izmir as seen from Asansör (1907)

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2003/01/178222.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2003/01/178224.jpg

Antalya (sort of the local Rio de Janeiro)

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/09/297165.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/09/297165.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2002/02/141656.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2003/06/195663.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/09/297172.jpg

The ancient Roman harbour of Antalya

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2001/11/133860.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2001/05/125616.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2001/11/133862.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2001/05/100248.jpg

Adana (sort of the local Sao Paulo)

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/10/408266.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2001/05/102533.jpg

sao paolo , new york, san francisco, babylon, rio , venice , all in turkey! how could i ignore that!

Asimov you are perfect ;)

Maybe so but Paris isn't defined by highrise - neither Londen, moscow or in lesser extend Warsaw and Istanbul.

The only cities that toerists visit because of the highrise (like NCY & Hong Kong) are Frankfurt and Rotterdam.

http://rotterdam.webruimtehosting.nl/kdp/IMG_4331_1.JPG

Take a look at the croydon skyline in London (i have no pics though), almost as good as Rotterdam:)

Istanbul is definately under-rated by Western Europeans.

Maybe so but Paris isn't defined by highrise - neither Londen, moscow or in lesser extend Warsaw and Istanbul.

The only cities that toerists visit because of the highrise (like NCY & Hong Kong) are Frankfurt and Rotterdam.Actually, this isn't perfectly true. La Défense is a very touristic place and the Grande Arche one of the most visited monument in Paris. Of course La Défense isn't generally the purpose of the visit, but once in Paris it's considered as one of the major attraction to visit.

That can only increase in the future by the way, especially once the 400m tower will be built.

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/7348/croydon7zc.jpg (http://img464.imageshack.us/my.php?image=croydon7zc.jpg)

That´s a suburb of London (Croydon) :)

One tall buildings and a few more new ones and there you have it: Rotterdam

Btw, are there any plans to build more scrapers in Croydon?

@Suomikoika...

Croydon just like Rotterdam...As if!!!!

Rotterdam is one of Europe's top cities when it comes to highrises:


http://207.44.228.232/images/B02/2161.jpg


http://207.44.228.232/images/B03/3852.jpg


http://207.44.228.232/images/B04/4204.jpg


http://207.44.228.232/images/B03/3832.jpg

Rotterdam's central station area:
http://207.44.228.232/images/B02/2558.jpg

pics are from the rotterdam portal

@Suomikoika...

Oh... And don't forget the 164m Maastower and the 158m New orleans project which will be built next year. And this year the 128m red apple tower... To name a few! So lets forget Croydon.

Rotterdam looks fine, it was ment as a joke :)
All i ment was that it lacks hight.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~reoost/pano.jpg

Frankfurt without a doubt

But really, some cities don't belong in this list at all.

Like Vienna, Napoli, Madrid, Berlin and Essen. :bash: :wtf: Wth are all those cities doing in that list?

@Suomikoika...

Oh... And don't forget the 164m Maastower and the 158m New orleans project which will be built next year. And this year the 128m red apple tower... To name a few! So lets forget Croydon.

2006

164m. Maastower (office)
158m. New orleans (residential)
127m. The Red Aple (residential)
84m. & 70m. Cité (residential)
74m. Wijnheave (residential)
70m. Calypso (residential)
70m. Linea Nova (residential)
70m. UWV (office)
enz, enz.

2007

160m. Gedempte Zalmhaven (residential)
145m. Lange Juffer (residential)
120m. Knick van Zuid (residential)

200x

150m. Havanna (residential)
+/-150m. Baltimore (???)
+/- 139m. De Rotterdam (residential)
120m. emc II
enz, enz, enz.

you mean

2007

180m. Gedempte Zalmhaven (residential)

^^ The official height is still 160m. but it can be 180m. indeed!

But i keep the official height for my records.

Frankfurt without a doubt

But really, some cities don't belong in this list at all.

Like Vienna, Napoli, Madrid, Berlin and Essen. :bash: :wtf: Wth are all those cities doing in that list?
Why all that cities dont belong in the list :bash: . Then Rotterdam doesnt have to be in the list, I dont think it is an impressive skyline even with the new additions so...and Rotterdam also lacks architecture, only could be mentioned the Gebouw Delftse Poot 1 as a good one...

Why all that cities dont belong in the list :bash: . Then Rotterdam doesnt have to be in the list, I dont think it is an impressive skyline even with the new additions so...and Rotterdam also lacks architecture, only could be mentioned the Gebouw Delftse Poot 1 as a good one...

Lol, well each his own opinion, but to say that Rotterdam lacks architecture... :weird:

Rotterdam is internationally known for its modern architecture. That you don't like it is your own right.

Maybe so but Paris isn't defined by highrises - neither London, Moscow or in a lesser extent Warsaw and Istanbul.

Istanbul will never be identified as a "highrise city" even if it builds the tallest skyscrapers in the world, because it's a city with a very strong historic character and identity (and 3 imperial crowns in its treasure case.)

If I were a first-time tourist in Istanbul, I wouldn't dedicate a single second for "skyscrapers" when I can see the remnants of Roman palaces, hippodrome, aqueducts, cisterns, monumental columns, city walls; Byzantine palaces, churches, castles, cisterns, aqueducts, towers; Ottoman palaces, mosques, castles, aqueducts, towers; the treasures of Topkapi Palace, the floor mosaics of Constantine's Palace, the interior of Haghia Sophia, the interior of the Blue Mosque, shopping inside the Grand Bazaar, a boat tour among the Ottoman mansions and palaces of the Bosphorus, a boat tour among the Ottoman mansions of the Prince Islands, the pubs and restaurants of Pera, the clubs and fashion houses of Nisantasi, etc...

Skyscrapers?

Who cares... :)

In 2015 Paris will end this debate once and for all

http://pix.nofrag.com/da/10/04c4b39a0a1c6fefb3a65cc5b8e5.jpg

http://pix.nofrag.com/b0/19/b1d46a7f5ca66b5ea139eda4b75c.jpg

I think the 'my city will look like this in 2309'-posts are not very useful.

I think the 'my city will look like this in 2309'-posts are not very useful.

EXACTLY!

to be objective, Paris beat all in any aspect anytime
it's huge, it's metropolitan, it's simply the best

http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/newsite/galeries/7/5.jpg

In 2015 Paris will end this debate once and for all

http://pix.nofrag.com/da/10/04c4b39a0a1c6fefb3a65cc5b8e5.jpg

http://pix.nofrag.com/b0/19/b1d46a7f5ca66b5ea139eda4b75c.jpg
LOL

Importing skyscrapers from other countries? Like Malmo Turning Torso as in the pics?
Future is in mobile skyscrapers

La Defense do not need these tricks to have beautyful skyline

metropolitan? lol, yeah from 9 till 5. After that it's completely deserted

Frankfurt, Istanbul, Paris - but choice was difficult.
Rotterdam, Warsaw, London - there are stunning as well.
Moscow i s growing very fast - but we have to wait several years when Moscow City will be completed.

The city that this and is going to change radically is Madrid, with the 4 skyscraper that are building and an operacion urbanistica that they intend to raise other 15 skyscraper, Madrid is going to be the new southern financial center of Europe.

LD2015

http://mapage.noos.fr/marla13/LD2015.jpg

Lets not forget London now has 31 - 500+ footers planned with 12 over 200m and 2 supertalls.

all by 2006. Paris has just given themselves a few more towers till 2015. by then I expect London to have planned at least another 5 supertalls plus another 30 odd 150m+ towers.

For me only London and Moscow can compete in the long run.

Also not to mention - Birmingham is a better skyline then Essen.

Birmingham has built already

152m
130m
100m
100m
92m
90m
90m

and has planned

2 x 175m
2 x 125m
2x 120m
110m
100m

Credit where its due, this is not my picture but from a London forumer called hugwawa who's photography is sublime.

Canary Wharf Today

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/hugwawa/2006-04-14087.jpg

Oh please, let's not start a debate about the future in this thread, that's not the point I think... today's skylines are good enough to be discussed anyway.
Paris+Ld for exemple has 14 uc or built 150m+ buildings and Eiffel, which is an incredible plus, imo :angel:

That last CW is nice btw. :okay:

http://img424.imageshack.us/img424/4878/pz1filtered0sz.jpg

http://rcube.boo.pl/PANORAMA/panoramki1.jpg

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/6486/r72ob.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Wawka.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4238/40bb.jpg

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/6641/wawtakeoffaf1ku.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Wawka2.jpg

http://www.michau.se/pics/my_pics/warszawa/2006/060105_z_bloku_bruna2/060105_z_bloku_bruna2_9144.jpg

http://www.michau.se/pics/my_pics/warszawa/2006/060105_z_bloku_bruna2/060105_z_bloku_bruna2_9171.jpg


http://images3.fotosik.pl/45/384xrjqs39wwth5t.jpg

Europe is planing Istanbul and Moscow are building. It's really like that. We see many topics opened by different forumers that show many nice tall skyscrapers but somehow the construction never begins. While all this happens Istanbul and Moscow are building and building without any annunciation.

^^Barcelona, Madrid, Warsaw are building lots of towers too, not only Moscow and Istanbul...
;)

Essen's Skyline is very underrated

Congrats to the European Capital of Culture 2010!!!

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/482/53345105na.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2240/53666104nf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/9530/54132888lu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9448/54112229sj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

FFM

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5972/45562003ax.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/6564/55394902lb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Source: http://www.*****************/pc/pc/cat/380/display/5539490

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/9514/55438482eq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Source:http://www.*****************/pc/pc/cat/380/display/5543848

Future

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/84/1539983av.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

FFM

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5972/45562003ax.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^I love this photo!
:yes:
Great Frankfurt!! I went there in December 2005.
:happy:

Paris,Frankfurt,Barcelona,Moscow....did i forget smthg? :|

^^London, Madrid, etc.
;)

yeah, that first pic of LuckyLuke is awesome! :shocked:

Croydon:

http://www.prsarchitects.com/images/croydon/01.jpg

Beats Rotterdam easily ;)

Warsaw

@rcube

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2664/b0ef.jpg
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/2889/proba8cr.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/456/haha7ob.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/5384/xx6vb.jpg
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/7128/hdr18qb.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4264/c7bl.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1989/z3mb.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2585/ahdr20eo.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2424/150qz.jpg
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/6702/zt306bo.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9697/248az.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/6678/162zl.jpg
http://www.starawarszawa.neostrada.pl/rondo1/tpsa_resize.jpg



@pstrykacz

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9249/kkkk1bo.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/8606/kkkk18tj.jpg
http://maciek.i365.pl/gallery/albums/warszawa/zmiany/ZloteTarasy/2006-03-28%2C_Warszawa%2C_Zlote_Tarasy%2C_1.jpg

Warsaw

@Redhatt

http://static.flickr.com/44/120343430_fc5323b20d_o.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/54/120343425_eb587b10be_o.jpg
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3820/img76517aa.jpg
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/8434/img76419px.jpg

@michau

http://www.michau.se/pics/my_pics/warszawa/2005/050822_z_bloku_odolanska/050822_z_bloku_odolanska_4604.jpg
http://www.michau.se/pics/my_pics/warszawa/2005/050822_z_bloku_odolanska/050822_z_bloku_odolanska_4604_cl.jpg


@rcube

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/8218/67gq.jpg
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/2007/129jx.jpg
http://www.maciek.i365.pl/gallery/albums/warszawa/Panoramy/2006_04_14_Warszawa_panoramy/2006_04_14%2C_Warszawa%2C_Srodmiescie%2C_09.jpg

random
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/6641/wawtakeoffaf1ku.jpg
http://www.warsawtour.pl/files/foto_big12643950091091519623182_tapeta.jpg

Warsaw managed to have a very attractive skyline with not many buildings.
Am i right, that Warsaw skyline comprises less than 10 buildings, since there are 7 building taller 130m in the city and they ALL are shown on the last photo?

Warsaw managed to have a very attractive skyline with not many buildings.
Am i right, that Warsaw skyline comprises less than 10 buildings, since there are 7 building taller 130m in the city and they ALL are shown on the last photo?

Black digits- existing buildings, blue digits U/C or approved

http://mitglied.lycos.de/hotttt/skyw.jpg

bonus

http://www.michau.se/pics/my_pics/warszawa/2005/050425_z_bloku_wilanowska/050425_wilanowska_7485_cl.jpg
http://www.michau.se/pics/my_pics/warszawa/2005/050331_z_mostu_gdanskiego/050331_z_gdanskiego_5299.jpg
http://www.michau.se/pics/my_pics/warszawa/2005/050331_z_mostu_gdanskiego/050331_z_gdanskiego_5307.jpg
http://img166.echo.cx/img166/9008/warszawa29jl.jpg
http://www.michau.se/pics/my_pics/warszawa/2005/050407_papiez/050407_jana_pawla_6107.jpg

nice warsaw skyline!

Three photos of London: :cool:

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/7356/ldnskyline3lx.jpg

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/7644/ldnskyline28sw.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/66/178993313_c1287a7392_b.jpg

When you look at London and then at Warsaw.....London is falling behind.

Btw i think The Hague has a better skyline than Berlin ,Essen ,Vienna and Barcelona.

Croydon Beats Rotterdam easily ;)

you are sooo right, not even in the same league... ;)

http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~gkoning/rdam/15-3/103.JPG

Btw i think The Hague has a better skyline than Berlin ,Essen ,Vienna and Barcelona.
Just your opinion...
;)
New Barcelona skyline beats all those cities! :yes:
:wink2:

But really, European skylines are all pathetic.

Calgary, Canada. Population 900,000

:D

Thanks a lot.

European skylines... few of them are good. Croydon is the best, second by Frankfurt Am Main, Rotterdam is also very developed. Istanbul is very close fourth. Go Croydon! Go North America!

Wien, La Defense, Berlin, Malmö... these cities have very bad skyline.

Warsaw has a great skyline...

Warsaw has a great skyline...Warsaw has a good skyline. "Great" means a different skyline.
This is the Warsaw skyline... ALL other pics of Warsaw skyline are the SAME buildings seen from different places...
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/5384/xx6vb.jpg

^^Yes, that is true. But it is a very nice skyline!
;)

Sheffield, UK

http://212.67.202.205/~madeinsheffield/graphics/horizon.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f100/richiebabes/Sheffield/P6260038.jpg

LYON: 2.6mio

- Tour du Crédit Lyonnais: 165m
- Tour Oxygène: 120m (2008)
- Tour Société Suisse: 82m
- Tour EDF: 72m
- Tour CIRC: 72m
- Tour UAP: 71m
- Gratte-Ciel I & II: 65m

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/954/pano113ki7ib.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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LILLE: 1-3mio

- Tour du Crédit Lyonnais: 120m
- Tour Lille Europe: 110m
- Tour de la Cité Administrative: 76m
- Tours Eurocity I, II, III, IV & V (2008): 59m
- Tour Siège de Région: 57m

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/4662/1861021sn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


MARSEILLE: 2mio

/!\ A new skyline will have been built in 2009 in Euromed district /!\

- Tour French Line: 150m (2008) (Zaha Hadid)
- Tour SAS Suède: 130m (2009) (Nouvel)
- Tour résidentielle: 100m or 130m (2009)
- Tour résidentielle: 70m (2009)
- Euromed Center: 70m (2008) (Fuksas)

To virg & S.Yorks Capital
This thread is to vote and discuss the cities in the list.
Other cities may be presented in another thread -Top Twenty European Skylines, part 2

I vote London, because of its mixture of buildings, not just scrapers, i also like frankfurt and paris but warsaw is ugly imo and what is essen? I think Liverpool beats a few of these cities as a 'skyline', aswell as historical buildings like the 3 graces, 2 cathedrals and docks, it also has many 100m+ towers planned.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/yapachoo/lpoolxmaseve05_edited.jpg
http://www.downtownliverpool.org/designPlus/dp_imgs/Bwest2-image.jpg
http://www.**************************/seacombe/images/view021.jpg

Frankfurt
Paris
London
Warsaw


:cheers:

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as the polls indicate

Frankfurt
Paris
Warsaw

i guess people dont realise, the only reason warsaw looks so good is because it has so few tall buildings. the 50 tallest building in warsaw is 55m. in london its 82m. to find a 55m tall building in london you have to go to place 387 hence warsaw LOOKS taller than it is, in reality the city of london which is a mere 2.5 sq km has almost as many buildings as warsaw. of course it might not look as good because you have towers in a sea of midrises that dont stick out.
here's this effect replicated in paris so london suffers from having more buildings over 35m tall than chicago and because they dont vary in height as much as chicago you dont notice them half as much -
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/dump/canarywharf.paris.jpg

CW looks nice in LD ;)

Err, I believe Gothic has a point here. Very few people realise the importance of a few buildings being clearly above average in a city. At 103m, the Athens Tower looks awesome amidst a sea of 25 to 30m talls max. It takes a trained eye not to be deceived by its slim shape and to compare it with the rest of the buildings there, and especially from a distance, the tower easily gains another 25% in terms of virtual height.

I have seen what Gothic describes here in many London pictures and it is hard to explain unless one is aware of the fact that the old mid-rises had bigger floor heights compared to today's buildings, let alone the ones designed in the 60's, where at 101 storeys (Taipei 101), today's tallest is almost 100m taller than the late WTC (110 storeys). Thus, I believe that many of London's 8-10 storeys are easily above 35m in height and in addition, in London, even in the City there are many mid-rises (12 to 17 floors) which hide the tallest towers from the eyes of the pedestrians sometimes (I have been to the City a long time ago), I mean you may be a couple of blocks from tower 42 and not even having noticed it.

I am not sure also how dense Warsaw may be, in the pictures it looks spread-out like a europeanised (the Palace of Culture and Science) version of a medium-sized north American city. For sure London is a lot denser in parts and with the relative taller height of its buildings in the range between 30 to 70 metres, it could really create a "wall" of mid-rises.

La Defence and Canary Wharf on the other hand I believe it's a different story altogether. LD was meant to stick out and so is CW and that's why they ARE and LOOK Tall. Also, LD has a large number of buildings between 100 to 180m that make a difference too. Overall though, London has the will to go up and it will. I don't know the status of projects like the glass shard or the Minerva though. In any case, nothing above 200m looks "short" or "not tall enough" if you asked me... :D

and thats why the city of london looks so underwhelming despite it having more 100m+ towers than the whole of warsaw in an area of 2.4 sq km. there are whole streets that have 60m+ buildings along them and everything around them is over half their height. you can see here the solid mass -
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/28TheLondonskylinefromMonument_pic1.jpg
see the domed building in the immediate foreground on the corner... thats 52m tall. it doesnt soar a bit because everything around it is the same sort of size, see the building on the far left, the dark one infront of st pauls, thats 46m, you can make out the edge of the one next to it at 51m that has the diamond shaped white on black cladding. we build towers in london all the time that most european posters would notice in their own cities of 70-80-90m in height and we dont even realise it because they make no difference at all. thats why threads like this are so pointless. you stick moscow or london in warsaw or rotterdam and see who is taller. we have 59 buildings over 35m u/c in london right now, we've built 105 so far this decade. london will probably build more buildings over 35m in a decade than warsaw has in total as completions are now running at an average of 30 a year. there are two skyscraper cities in europe, london and moscow, and everything else is just not in the same league. you can either keep believing that soar makes a skyline or you can take a little more intelligent look at it.

^^ You have right - it's horrible. The only solution for this is hmm... to.. You know ;)
:jk:

Other comparaison
The 60 tallest building in Paris and inner suburbs ( 75 92 93 94 ) are over 100m
And the 30 tallest building in la Defense are over 100 m.

I believe that London and Paris should immediately build taller towers. Now that I've seen this beautiful London pic I further understood what they did: Prior to the Tower 42, they built a sea of say 35 to 45 m tall, exhausting the legal height limits imposed at the time, primarily due to the proximity with St Paul's. So, when the towers came, again, these were permitted and built in quite a conservative fashion, 90m compared to 45 doesn't make an extreme difference... Until tower 42 came to save the day.

On the other hand (and it is a shame that this comes from a resident of a skyscraperless city), either way it took London a long time before they moved to heights proportionate to the size of the city. I expect the LBT to top out before I consider London a fully developed scraper city, although from its inception to now the CW covered a distance of light years and brought London to the top 5 in Europe (and I would also like to see Paris get out of hybernation soon).

I like Warsaw, I like it a lot, however I don't think thay can compete against London, Paris and Moscow if and when they move to full thrust.

...and 30 buildings above 100m in LD packs A LOT of punch. However, LD needs a supertower fast...

Which brings me back to what I said many years ago: If only the Tour sans fins was built... :(

...and BTW London is not so "underwhelming". From the air it looks superb :)

Warsaw has a good skyline. "Great" means a different skyline.
This is the Warsaw skyline... ALL other pics of Warsaw skyline are the SAME buildings seen from different places...
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/5384/xx6vb.jpg


not ALL and not THE SAME... sorry but you're wrong... some Warsaw's important buildings are missed on this photo... WTT (208m), TPSA Tower (about 130m), Milenium Plaza (116m) Novotel (111m), Lucka Tower (120m), Babka Tower, Hilton hotel, Intraco, PKO tower (all about or over 100m) and a few more... I dont get it why are you trying to be an authority in case that you have no idea about...

These are details... Here we discuss not individual buildings but the skylines... Do you still insist that Warsaw has a "great" skyline?
It is probably the second best skyline in Europe now, but only because 'great' skylines are not in Europe :)

Skylines in Asia, North America = race for tallest buildings. Europe not china ;/

Why are people so against Warsaw? No, it may not be on the level of Paris, Frankfurt, or London, but it is getting there. It's a hell of a lot better than it was 10 years ago and improving every year. These things take a while, especially for a city that just got back on it's feet only 17 years ago.

Warsaw? it may not be on the level of Paris, Frankfurt, or London, but it is getting there.Why don't you like Warsaw? It has the second best skyline in Europe now, better than those of London and Paris :)

These are details... Here we discuss not individual buildings but the skylines... Do you still insist that Warsaw has a "great" skyline?
It is probably the second best skyline in Europe now, but only because 'great' skylines are not in Europe :)

ok.. I agree with you... I live here and I think that Warsaw's skyline is nice but not "great" considering really great skylines of the world... it's obvious... I was just pissed of that you were trying (several times) to prove that this skyline is worse than it is in reality... thats all...

ok.. I agree with you... I live here and I think that Warsaw's skyline is nice but not "great" considering really great skylines of the world... it's obvious... I was just pissed of that you were trying (several times) to prove that this skyline is worse than it is in reality... thats all...I've never said that Warsaw skyline is shit. I always used the word "good". :) I tried to be more objective than Poles :)
Certainly, when Moscow is concerned, I'm biased in favor of it. (and I'll prove it soon :) )
The same with you when we discuss Warsaw skyline...

Why don't you like Warsaw? It has the second best skyline in Europe now, better than those of London and Paris :)

Better how ?

Why don't you like Warsaw? It has the second best skyline in Europe now, better than those of London and Paris :)


not yet..

http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/newsite/galeries/10/005.jpg

http://ladefense.free.fr/1/aerien/18.jpg
http://photos.photosig.com/photos/41/86/1388641-d8dceff4d0667624.jpg
http://goubin.free.fr/galerie/high/LD_colombes_nuit.jpg

heres 3 for paris

http://ladefense.free.fr/1/aerien/18.jpg

:drool:

Probably, the poll is close to be correct, especially for first cities... :)
1 Frankfurt - 202
2 Paris - 157
3 Warsaw - 138
4 London - 113
5 Rotterdam - 101
6 Istanbul - 79
7 Moscow - 36
8 Benidorm - 33
9 Madrid - 32

Probably, the poll is close to be correct, especially for first cities... :)
1 Frankfurt - 202
2 Paris - 157
3 Warsaw - 138
4 London - 113
5 Rotterdam - 101
6 Istanbul - 79
7 Moscow - 36
8 Benidorm - 33
9 Madrid - 32

i would put rotterdam 4 and london 5, but the poll is correct.

frankfurt is no doubt numero uno.

I think Vienna could be in the top 10 in place of madrid... until the 4 madrilene towers are built.

Moscow Istanbul and Madrid will climb up in the hierarchy soon.

Nice pano of Warsaw posted by Kazuyoshi :)

http://bi.gazeta.pl/o/a/forum/470/7/470771.jpg

Moscow Istanbul and Madrid will climb up in the hierarchy soon.I wonder how soon...

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/3469/farukoncanfr31979zd5.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8491/nsylmzcamlicaqu0.th.jpg (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nsylmzcamlicaqu0.jpg)

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1375/nsylmzcamlica3rf9.th.jpg (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nsylmzcamlica3rf9.jpg)

i know, that bratislava hasnt top european skyline, but i am patriot and like it :)
http://www.etrend.sk/images/0607/16_panoramaBA.jpg

http://www.bratislava.sk/soubory/700000/p5054086.jpg

also in near future in bratislava will rise several clusters like this one:
http://www.murrayolaoire.com/mixeduse/projects/pribinova2/models/380m_b.jpg
so i hope bratislava will be modern european city

i guess people dont realise, the only reason warsaw looks so good is because it has so few tall buildings. the 50 tallest building in warsaw is 55m. in london its 82m. to find a 55m tall building in london you have to go to place 387 hence warsaw LOOKS taller than it is, in reality the city of london which is a mere 2.5 sq km has almost as many buildings as warsaw.
This is a good point...
However a good skyline is even how it looks like

Other comparaison
The 60 tallest building in Paris and inner suburbs ( 75 92 93 94 ) are over 100m
And the 30 tallest building in la Defense are over 100 m.

Paris Ville, without metro (and Defense) has 18 towers over 100 m completed according to emporis http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/li/?id=100603&bt=2&ht=2&sro=21
I saw that even Frankfurt has 59 towers +100 m talls (all included, while completed are 25)


Yesterday I was thinkin' at new projects of new towers in Milan: I computed about 40 new towers over 100 m forecasted to be built and many other dozens over 70 m

Wrong
According Emporis Paris (inner city) has 28 towers (competed) over 100 m.
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/li/?id=100603&bt=9&ht=2&sro=21
Frankurt is more 2 times bigger than Paris
Frankfurt has only 25 towers (competed) over 100m
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/li/?id=100563&bt=9&ht=2&sro=21
( 32 towers over 100m if I count highrises in construction and aprouved)

But Paris (inner city) has only one tower over 150m
Frankfurt has 10 skyscrapers over 150m

^^ Uh ?

You got to consider highrises too

2,108 completed Istanbul
1,328 completed London
728 completed Moscow
283 completed Frankfurt
261 completed Paris

That's the other reality that you can't deny

My votes for:

1. Frankfurt
2. Varsovia
3. París
4. Rotterdam
5. Londres
6. Viena
7. Estambul
.............
Napoles, Madrid, Moscú... without an order I specify

^^ Uh ?

You got to consider highrises too

2,108 completed Istanbul
1,328 completed London
728 completed Moscow
283 completed Frankfurt
261 completed Paris

That's the other reality that you can't deny

Don't forget the inner suburbs of Paris
Paris is the smalest city (Only 105 km²)
You cannot compared Paris at those city without inner suburbs ( 762 km² and 6,212,081 inh)
The biggiest skyline in Paris is in Suburbs
And Emporis data for Paris inner suburbs is incomplet.

Comparaison
Istambul
10.034.830 inh
1.538,77 km²
6521 inh./km²
London
7.5 million inh
1,579 km²
4,697/km²
Moscow
10,415,400 inh
1,081 km²
8537.2/km²
Frankfurt
660,000 inh
248.31 km²
2,611 /km²
Paris with inner suburbs
6,212,081 inh
762 km²
8,152 /km²
Paris with inner suburbs is 2nd smallest and the 2nd densest city.

Wrong
According Emporis Paris (inner city) has 28 towers (competed) over 100 m.

Yes, sorry, it was my fault... I wanted to say 28, but I wrote 18

^^ Uh ?

You got to consider highrises too

2,108 completed Istanbul
1,328 completed London
728 completed Moscow
283 completed Frankfurt
261 completed Paris

664 completed Milan

In metro 857 (all status types)

Don't forget the inner suburbs of Paris
Paris is the smalest city (Only 105 km²)
You cannot compared Paris at those city without inner suburbs ( 762 km² and 6,212,081 inh)
The biggiest skyline in Paris is in Suburbs
And Emporis data for Paris inner suburbs is incomplet.

Anyway emporis data are always to verify

For instance in Milan, even if accuracy is high, there are many many buildings not computed (over all in metro area)
And there is a lack of accuracy on the forecasted towers (as I previously said, planned towers over 100 m are 40 and there are surely many dozens of towers of 60, 70, 80, 90 m planned... not to mention every building over 35 m: we're talkin' about undreds of buildings planned.... You can find just a very little part of all this on emporis)

so many people here get fooled by photos of skylines where they are really very small and sparse but taken from a certain angle everything lines up and appears coherent. the warsaw pics above are a good example of this. we can do that in london too by taking a pic that has canary wharf behind the city making it appear as one.

this is what the city of london skyline looks like when viewed from the angle that makes it appear at it's widest, the distance from st pauls to swiss re which was u/c here is only 1.5km -
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/769LondonSkyscrapersfromArchway_pic1.jpg

if you view it from the west or east youll note many towers simply are not visible. spot the three barbican towers?
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/city_13-01.jpg

i dont think this is the best skyline in europe btw. its an example of how stupid people are in judging something from a few well considered shots that show a very sparse skyline as being dense and cohesive such as rotterdam or warsaw. the winners are obviously frankfurt and paris and canary wharf where you have 12 100m+ buildings complete or u/c in a 600 metre x 600 metre square. by the end of the year thatll be 14!

need to get a new pic from here...

http://mk23.image.pbase.com/u44/nksyoon/upload/36033407.1190.jpg

eg - canary wharf vs the whole of warsaw with the canary wharf buildings bolded. remember there's another 131m and a 140m tall due to start by the end of the year that they are clearing the sites for right now :) we can play this game with any european city you want, only moscow, paris and frankfurt will come out on top in terms of their entire city beating canary wharf.


1 One Canada Square 235 UK
2 Palace of Culture and.. 231m PL
3 Warsaw Trade Tower 208m PL
4 HSBC 200 m UK
5 Citigroup 200 m UK
6 InterContinental Wars.. 164m PL
7 Rondo 1-B 159m PL
8 Barclays Bank 156 m UK
9 40 Bank Street 153 m UK
10 25 Bank Street 153 m UK
11 10 Upper Bank Street 151 m UK
12 Pan Peninsula 147 m UK
13 Warsaw Financial Cent.. 144m PL
14 Centrum LIM 140m PL
15 Oxford Tower 139m PL
16 TP S.A. Tower 122m PL
17 Pan Peninsula West 118 m UK
18 FIM Tower 115m PL
19 Millennium Plaza 112m PL
20 West India Quay 111 m UK
21 Łucka City 112m PL
22 Intraco I 107 m PL
23 Novotel Warszawa Cent.. 106 m PL
24 33 Canada Square 105 m UK
25 Złote Tarasy 105 m PL

this pic meanwhile is over twice the distance of the canary wharf cluster above but the photographer just went to an angle where they all lined up so people oh "oh wow look at that".
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/5384/xx6vb.jpg

so many people here get fooled by photos of skylines where they are really very small and sparse but taken from a certain angle everything lines up and appears coherent.


need to get a new pic from here...

we can play this game with any european city you want, only moscow, paris and frankfurt will come out on top in terms of their entire city beating canary wharf.

OK let's play

Istanbul

Istanbul has 3 cluster in european part

Levent
http://www.istanbulprincess.com/images/genel.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/833/2921002na7.jpg
http://www3.itu.edu.tr/~akaydinh/maslak/maslak_clear_night.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/764/aa6339c12ef8f8b8a8cac0fdfc19b51eo8.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6455/geschftsviertelbeinacht8nh1mw5.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/Barut/135_3568.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/Istanbullu/136_3628.jpg

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8896/levent116wg.jpg

Maslak
http://www3.itu.edu.tr/~akaydinh/maslak/maslak_skyline.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/Barut/130_3075.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/893/3746331pd4.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/Barut/116_1654.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/Istanbullu/131_3197.jpg
http://www3.itu.edu.tr/~akaydinh/maslak/maslak_skyline_night.jpg


Sisli

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5066/sinadikeyfiltered1ex7.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9096/burcbilin13221jv.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/766/burcsisli14713wo.jpg
Thanks to turkish forumers

I dont say best in Europe but absolutely in top 3

Goth is right as usual, since i have experienced this with Athens and I have already posted pics in this forum of what can be seen as "Athens Skyline" simply corroborating the fact it's the art of the photographer and the shooting angle, as well as the framing. Look at this for instance. These are buildings hundreds of metres or even a few plus apart in cases, yet, due to the compression of the image effected by the zoom lens, you think they are side by side. Well, they aren't and let me tel;l you that it took me years to discover these spots and take the pics...

-From Penteli Mountain looking towards north central Athens.

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gm22633/35730/429103/0/Athens+-+From+Pendeli+-+5+-+May+2005-+small800x.jpg

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gm22633/35730/429118/0/Athens+-+From+Pendeli+-+6+-May+05-small800x.jpg


-The Athens Olympic Stadium looks to be right next to the Atrina Centre, yet in reality they are some 300 to 400m apart

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gm22634/35743/429247/0/OAKA+-++from+Pendeli-2005-small800x.jpg


-Same: No laughing matter: Skyscrapers next to the Acropolis!!! as seen from a hill in the port of Piraeus, some 6km distance from the Acropolis

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gm22633/35730/429107/0/Athens+Skyline+from+Profitis+Ilias+1-blasphemous+detail-small800

Despite the outdated buildings in these photos, the point is that you can play with perspective and relative distances and create skylines where they don't exist.

In any case, this is a picture of London that I like, depicting both CW and the City. With a good zoom factor, I believe that the best may be taken from the British Telecom Tower or the Centrepoint, looking east. Anyway, I like this gem here:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Other%20Cities%20and%20Regions/LondonCityandDocklandsPanoramic-sma.jpg

...and you forgot this one from Istanbul to illustrate Gothic's example: This combines Maslak and Levent and it is only the bad timing and the haze in the air that reveals the true distance between Maslak and Levent clusters. BTW for the Stambouliots, this must be prior to the compoletion of the Canyon. I am not sute if the Tefken is topped out. However, I would appreciate more thshots from this angle, it is fantastic to see shots where Levent and Maslak share an equivocal presence:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Other%20Cities%20and%20Regions/IsblueskylineOverall3-remix.jpg

And La Defense vs Canary wharf
La defense beat canary wharf in number of buildings
La Defense has a bigger skyline than CW
but You can see the Top 3 is in Canary wharf. :)

1 One Canada Square 235 m
2 HSBc 200 m
3 Citigroup 200 m
4 Tour Total 187 m
5 Tour Areva 184 m
6 Tour Gan 179 m
7 Tour Alicante 167 m
8 Tour Chassagne 167 m
9 Tour EDF 165 m
10 Cœur Défense 161 m
11 Tour Assur 159 m
12 Barclays Bank 156 m
13 Tour Adria 155 m
14 Tour Egée 155 m
15 40 Bank Street 153 m
16 25 Bank Street 153 m
17 Tour Ariane 152 m
18 10 Upper Bank Street 151 m
19 Tour Les Poissons 150 m
20 Pan Peninsula 147 m
21 Tour CBX 2005 142 m
22 Tour Défense 2000 136 m
23 Tour Europlaza 135 m
24 Tour Descartes 130 m
25 Tour France 126 m
26 Tour Franklin 120 m
27 Tour Séquoia 119 m
28 Tour Winterthur 119 m
29 Pan Peninsula West 118 m
30 Tour Michelet 117 m
31 Tour CB16 117 m
32 Tour Neptune 113 m
33 Préf des Hauts-de-Seine 113 m
34 West India Quay 111 m
35 Grande Arche 110 m
36 Tour Manhattan 110 m
37 Tour Aurore 110 m
38 Tour Eve 109 m
39 Tour Initiale 109 m
40 33 Canada Square 105 m
41 Tour Nuage 1 105 m
42 Tour Nuage 2 105 m
43 Ontario tower 104m
44 Tour Gambetta 104m
45 Tour Cèdre 103m
46 Tour Opus12 100m
46 Tour Athéna 100m

Bosphorus Bridge and Levent financial district

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/warsword/ba1afec6.jpg

yeah. i consider la defense to probably be the best skyline in europe. you forgot ontario tower minato but its only 104m...

a skyline should look good from ALL angles, not just a few choice ones so we have this one from the east looking west - http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/47CanaryWharfatnight_pic1.jpg
this from the west looking east -
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/777CanaryWharffromElephantandCastle_pic1.jpg
the ability for a photographer to photograph a skyline from everywhere and it to look impressive means its a good skyline, the ability for a skyline to look impressive in just a few pics means its a good positioning. i can post pics of almost any major british city that will rival anything in europe apart from the really big ones by simply picking a few choice angles. i'd be lying if i did this though.
there are very few skylines that fulfil the angle criteria, in the uk we have only canary wharf and liverpool. really this poll at the top should be called "who can post the most flattering pics and then vote for their own country"

The horizon is full of skyscrapers, with Levent at left and Maslak at rear right

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2004/08/295516.jpg

Front row: Selimiye Imperial Barracks (1825-1829) at left and Imperial College of Medicine (1895-1900) at right, on the Asian side of the city

for you you gm ;)
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a221/messiah_haktan/Istanbul%20doga/3natur.jpg

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/9426/maslak5ct.jpg

Sorry
I don't found the ontario tower can you post picture of this building

I found this

list of best skyline +90m (http://homepages.ipact.nl/~egram/skylines.html)

It is not a official site but interresting

In this list

Moscow is the best in Europe and 19th in the world
Paris (inc La Defense & périphérique suburbs) the 2nd in Europe and 33rd in the world
Istambul 3rd in Europe and the 37 in the world
Frankfurt 4th in Europe and 49 in the world
London 4th in Europe and 59 in the world
Madrid 5th in Europe and 75 in the world
Warsaw 6th in Europe and 93 in the World
Vienna is the 117th in the world.

london is on 49 buildings.... NOT 42. still its an ok comparison.

ontario tower wasnt built when i took those three year old pics. ill get some new ones later this month -

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/166OntarioTowerNewProvidenceWharf_pic1.jpg

it looked like this in may -
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/166OntarioTowerNewProvidenceWharf_pic7.jpg

For now

Frankfurt
Paris
London
Warsaw
Istanbul
moscow
Madrid

For Future

Moscow
Istanbul
London
Paris
Frankfurt
Warsaw
Madrid

@ www.sercan.de: Thanks for the two Istanbul pics, very good. The second one reminds me of North American Cities with the greenery around the cluster.

...now for the rest of the gang here, I present you with a photo of La Defence scanned today from the financial section of the Sunday edition of "Kathimerini" Newspaper and depicts both the Arc de Triomphe AND La Grande Arche in the same line. A real eye-candy:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Other%20Cities%20and%20Regions/LaDefence9-aveclarchedeTriomphe.jpg

Also, according to the relevant article, it seems that after a relatively long period of hybernation, Paris will go mobile again as per central planning, it seems that, among other plans related to the renovation of old buildings and public places, a number of towers will be erected, possibly within the perimeter of central Paris.

I hope our Parisian friends will offer us an update on this. Is Paris coming out of hibernation? If this is the case then things won't be easy for the rest of the top 5...

@ www.sercan.de: Thanks for the two Istanbul pics, very good. The second one reminds me of North American Cities with the greenery around the cluster.

...now for the rest of the gang here, I present you with a photo of La Defence scanned today from the financial section of the Sunday edition of "Kathimerini" Newspaper and depicts both the Arc de Triomphe AND La Grande Arche in the same line. A real eye-candy:

Also, according to the relevant article, it seems that after a relatively long period of hybernation, Paris will go mobile again as per central planning, it seems that, among other plans related to the renovation of old buildings and public places, a number of towers will be erected, possibly within the perimeter of central Paris.

I hope our Parisian friends will offer us an update on this. Is Paris coming out of hibernation? If this is the case then things won't be easy for the rest of the top 5...


Paris was never in hibernation. If you want plenty of infos, look at the Paris thread in the internationnal highrise news and developements forum

This picture is really old...
Anyway, Paris hasn't been in hibernation you know, quite a few towers have been built during the last few years (Egee, EDf, Coeur Défense, Adria, CBX...) and there's currently the 185m T1 and the 184m granite UC. The next major project to start in La Défense is the transformation of Axa by KPF, it will be 225m tall.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3913/cb31pn1.jpg

la defense does what it always does which is gradually build towers, nothing spectacular but the culmulative effect works well.

@ the French forumers
By no means I wanted to put down the tremendous work that has been completed in La Defence over the last 40+ years. My remark here is about the fact that whan judging the highrise developments of a city, we must look at the relative scale of these developments and the impact they present to its current situation.

To become more specific: Of course over the last years several "average" 40-storey-140-160 m towers were bound to be built in LD, some of them of great architecture quality. However, even from the beginning of the 1990's, LD needed a "next big thing" in the area of 250m height and above. I remember back then for instance, the discussions about the so called "Tour Sans Fins" which was never materialised. That lack of transcendence is what I called with the term "hybernation".

On the other hand, even if we consider Frankfurt to have the best skyline (primarily because of the fact- to further corroborate Gothic's statement about the "unlucky" London Skyline that it not only has tall buildings but because the Frankfurt ones stick out well from their urban surroundings), LD wins hands down architecturally as the best cluster because it not only has a variety of many generations of towers and architectural styles, but also, because there are other Gigantic structures like the Rail station and the Grande arche that complete the scenery. However, it is now that I hear from Various sources that Paris may choose to go on with a whole new wave of construction and not just an occasional addition of a few towers even borderline heights for LD (180m +). T1 is just the beginning of what is to come and I hope that, some 23 years after the tour Montparnasse, Paris will break the 200 metre mark again.


Anyway, I am waiting for the developments and I am sure that the city of light will never cease to amaze us :) Beware though that London is catching up really fast...

this is what the actual city of london skyline looks like when you get above roof level. sadly you cant view it from ground level because everything around it is maybe 50m. what you can see in this view is more 100m+ towers than rotterdam or warsaw and this isnt canary wharf. its approx 1.1km from one end of the cluster to the other from this angle with 16 buildings over 100m on that line across the horizon... thats one 100m+ building every 68m. the relative scale however doesnt really make it stand out, see the 126m tall u/c standing behind two 90m talls or the 127m citypoint surrounded by a swathe of 80-90m tall buildings. the end result is there is no real feeling of height.
that said london isnt just catching up fast... this area, the city has a 165m and 127m u/c. they are doing ground works and demolition for a 203m tall building to start next year, a 225m to start next year, and a 150m to start next year all in this same cluster plus several 100m-ish towers. maybe then it can challenge the likes of paris and frankfurt because the towers will be tall enough to look like they soar. in statistical terms however this IS the fourth skyline in western europe right now with canary wharf third, just the city of london doesnt look it because it doesnt soar.

http://static.flickr.com/78/189010987_262cd19822_o.jpg

I have to agree with angelika, Warsaw is not ugly!

But btw. Berlin is the greenest city in europe
i dunno london is pretty green 30% of it to be exact pretty good for a city of 7.5 million

that said london isnt just catching up fast... this area, the city has a 165m and 127m u/c. they are doing ground works and demolition for a 203m tall building to start next year, a 225m to start next year, and a 150m to start next year all in this same cluster plus several 100m-ish towers. maybe then it can challenge the likes of paris and frankfurt because the towers will be tall enough to look like they soar. in statistical terms however this IS the fourth skyline in western europe right now with canary wharf third, just the city of london doesnt look it because it doesnt soar

I would go for the height too, instead of building 100-150m towers in the hope to "fill" a skyline. True, and this is what needs to be emphasised, London has a number of tall proposals up its sleeve which, when topped out will turn the tables. I would also like to see the LBT topped out... before the end of this decade... This is REAL height, very elegant design and in a very good position to offer London an excellent visual landmark.

Anyway, the impression we get from the real estate sections of major Greek financial papers is that London and Paris are set for cataclysmic changes as far as their skylines are concerned. And this is attributed mostly to their mayors who always manifest in various ways their support for tall buildings. As a matter of fact, it seems that the role of the municipal authorities is seen as crucial with regards to the wider public acceptance of tall construction.

Definitely Rotterdam!! There is no building such a chic as the milleniumtower..

gm... one thing thats forgotten is the likes of the heron tower might have only 202m to roof but then they have spires that add an extra 40m to the height. lbt will be topped out in 2008. im sure by the end of the decade we'll be talking about which london skyline is the best in europe. lol. its hard to explain to people who dont realise whats going on there the scale of whats planned...
you have 19 buildings over 100m approved, 7 u/c and 29 proposed. 11 of these are over 200m tall.

...its hard to explain to people who dont realise whats going on there the scale of whats planned...
you have 19 buildings over 100m approved, 7 u/c and 29 proposed. 11 of these are over 200m tall.

Actually, the last sentence says it all... These are probably the most massive construction prospects in Europe. :) Far above than any of its contenders...

LBT topped out by 2008 ? wow, I didn't even think it would be rising above ground before then.

lbt will be topped out by 2008.

Wait a sec...LBT will start construction in 2008 which means it won´t be finished until 2011.

oops, thats what io mean. sorry! lol. my bad.

ISTANBUL
http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/9338/1ww7.jpg

http://img289.imageshack.us/img289/2399/2cq1.jpg

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4528/3zd3.jpg

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6636/4jp9.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2506/anilbeykozdan07182006tz9.jpg


http://s2.bilder-hosting.de/img/875DO.jpg

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7980/anilbeykozdanpano07182006pa8.jpg

Nice fotos from Istanbul, nicest skyline, btw too much twin towers.
Some old pic from Warsaw :P :
http://www.molon.de/galleries/Poland/Warsaw/Panorama/images01/02%20Business%20district%20skyline%20and%20Palace%20of%20Culture%20at%20night.jpg
http://www.michau.se/pics/my_pics/warszawa/2005/050907_zdobywanie_centrum/050907_zdobywanie_centrum_4564.jpg

^^Any problem with twin towers?^^
:?

Warsaw has only 1 cluster
Istanbul 4
London 2
Paris 1 ( I think)

That changes something ;)

Warsaw has only 1 cluster
Istanbul 4
London 2
Paris 1 ( I think)

That changes something ;)

Warsaw have 2 cluster, 1-st cluster: Palace of Culture, WFC, IC, Zlote Tarasy, Intraco II, FIM, Hotel Mariott, Rondo 1; 2-nd still growing in Wola district: WTT, Lucka City, Hotel Hilton with Grzybowska Centre (u/c)

Yes, there are many twin in Istanbul, because it was/is cheaper to built twins than a big one.
Because of the earthquake risk the big ones have to be more safer -> more money

Imagine they would have built no twins :D

IsBank complex is total 106 Floors -> ~ 400m tower :D
Metro City 96 -> 365m tower
Tekstilkent 88 floors -> ~ 350m tower
Yapi Kredi Bank 85 Fl -> 340m
Sisli TAT 74 fl -> ~290m
Sabanci Center total ~70 Floors -> ~280m tower
TAT Towers 68 Floors -> ~270m tower
Selenium 68 Fl -> ~238m tower
Kempinski Residences Astoria 56 Fl -> 196m

:D

I can't take this serious! There are people voting for Essen, Berlin or Barcelona as the best skyline in Europe. I accept other opinions but some votes are redicilous. In my opinion, there are only about 6 cities who are able to be one of the best skylines in Europe. Otherwise I expect Zurich in this Poll as well...

Yes, there are many twin in Istanbul, because it was/is cheaper to built twins than a big one.
Because of the earthquake risk the big ones have to be more safer -> more money

Good idea :D :crazy:

Jakob, can you give for us a nice Zurich's fotos??

Warsaw has only 1 cluster
Istanbul 4
London 2
Paris 1 ( I think)

Paris has 4 significative clusters, at least: la Defense, Front-de-Seine, XIII Arrondissement and behind La Villette

Front de seine
http://nagram.chez-alice.fr/photos/front.jpg

Cluster behind La Villette from Buttes Chaumont
http://jlandre.ifrance.com/images/voyages_fr/paris21.jpg

XIII Arrondissement
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Paris-massena.jpg

XIII Arrondissement pano
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Paris-13eme-panorama-annote.jpg

Not to talk about "episodic" towers and microclusters, like for instance:

Montparnasse
http://jlhuss.blog.lemonde.fr/photos/uncategorized/12150035_1.JPG

Hotel Concorde
http://eras.free.fr/images/concorde/concorde2.JPG

Porte de Montreuil
http://paris.gtahotels.com/photogallery/CAG687500_F-b.jpg

http://www.pariskypictures.com/20/images/montreuil%20porte_20_i79.jpg

Porte de Bagnolet
http://www.perifeerique.com/photos/charles_minc4.jpg

Bibliotheque Mitterand
http://www.macalester.edu/geography/courses/geog261/mmcdonald/bibliotheque_nationale.jpg

Universite paris 6
http://www.etude-en-france.org/pix/pix_villes/paris6.jpg
too little pic...



No pics of La Defense here; I hope everybody knows it ;)

Can you please tell me the height of the tallest buildings of these clusters ?
I'm talking about first 4

Paris is unbeatable!
Best European skyline! :)

london has lots of clusters too...croydon for example...

http://www.croydon-tramlink.co.uk/pictures/gallery/wimbledon/WandlePark/CVWandleFlyoverwithCroydonSkylineahead.jpg

paddington is another.
http://www.westminster.gov.uk/environment/planning/paddington/images/21970115.jpg

http://nuggler.blogs.com/photos/paddington_basin_october_/basin1.jpg

Twin towers :D XD
http://www.perifeerique.com/photos/charles_minc4.jpg

Two clusters of Warsaw
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6244/5lb9.jpg

Can you please tell me the height of the tallest buildings of these clusters ?
I'm talking about first 4
I think the tallest towers in these clusters are about 110 m or something

The tallest is la Tour Super Italie this height is 113m
It is a private swimming pool in the last floor.

http://eras.free.fr/images/r/121italie/121cr.JPG

Twin towers :D XD
http://www.perifeerique.com/photos/charles_minc4.jpg

Two clusters of Warsaw
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6244/5lb9.jpg


where is the second cluster?

Hi guys,

none of your photos are really good .... i am sorry ...
and first .... What are we talking about ?? a Skyline ... yes ...
what is a skyline ?? from an angle, a city can be seen magnificient ... and from another one ... can become very ugly ...
Paris is the perfect example ...
first ... before arguing like fishermen ... it could be interesting to create some caracteristics typically european to judge each city ...
and what can be use for an european city is not necessary pertinent for another continent ...

personnally ... i think the european skylines are not pathetic like one canadian told in this tread earlier ... he just doesnt have the same references in cities like Calgary or Vancouver, which are "new cities".

here is my point, u cant judge efficiently a city skyline if u take only few new buildings built the past 50 years ... like in Francfort or in La defence or Istanbul...
If u do so, then every european cities can't compete with the fast growing world cities.

But if u succeed to agglomerate in one angle .... the main faces of a city ... from its beginning, though its apogee, to the future of it ....
We will then be able to compare what we can compare ....

i will give u an example.
Paris. if we can find a place where we can see ....
the louvre (a beautiful renaissance palace).
with The Luxor Obelisque (3300 year old).
with the Grand Palais (piece of art of the end of the 19th century, symbol of the trust in sciences and modernism at this time).
with the Champs Elysees (seeing as one of the most romantic spot for many young couples in this world).
with the Arc de Triumph (huge piece of stone who remind us the Roman Empire, civilisation who inspired the European countries as the egyptian one did too).
with a huge space of classical low rise european Hausmannian buildings (as Neuilly distrit) and a huge Hood (the Boulogne park)
and finally with the La Defence, that everyone knows here, which was actually only born fifty years ago, which means that we have seen nothing yet ....

at this stage ... if we can find the perfect place to contemplate this skyline ... i go .. take a photo ... show it to u ... and after u could decide if this one is not the best skyline of europe .... and maybe more than that ....

i wait for ur comments.

The tallest is la Tour Super Italie this height is 113m
It is a private swimming pool in the last floor.

http://eras.free.fr/images/r/121italie/121cr.JPG
I love this skyscraper

I think in the pano of 13eme I posted it isn't visible 'cause it's the place from where the pic was taken
Am I right?

A reproposition of this beautifull pano

scroll>>
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Paris-13eme-panorama-annote.jpg

A wonderful evening in Sevilla

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4578/cap012xx4.png (http://imageshack.us)

^^Very nice view, but NO skyscrapers in Seville yet...
:dunno:

All these vote for Frankfurt and no pics

I love this skyscraper

I think in the pano of 13eme I posted it isn't visible 'cause it's the place from where the pic was taken
Am I right?

A reproposition of this beautifull pano

scroll>>
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Paris-13eme-panorama-annote.jpg

I think so to

http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/newsite/photos/ita01.jpg

Frankfurt, Paris and Warsaw.

I think so to

http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/newsite/photos/ita01.jpg

These look like soviet commieblocks built in 1970's on the outskirts of every city.

I love this skyscraper

I think in the pano of 13eme I posted it isn't visible 'cause it's the place from where the pic was taken
Am I right?

A reproposition of this beautifull pano

scroll>>
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Paris-13eme-panorama-annote.jpg

what a f...? :puke:
stilisto komunisto commieblokisto :down:

Yes and not

those buildings are in inner Paris and many are over 100m

Top 20 of this cluster

1 Immeuble Super-Italie 113 m
2 Tour Anvers 104 m
3 Tour Athènes104 m
4 Tour Cortina 104 m
5 Tour Helsinki 104 m
6 Tour Londres 104 m
7 Tour Mexico 104 m
8 Tour Sapporo 104 m
9 Tour Tokyo 104 m
10 Residences Antoine et Cleopatre 104 m
11 Tour Ancone 102 m
12 Tour Bologne 102 m
13 Tour Ferrare 102 m
14 Tour Palerme 102 m
15 Tour Ravenna 102 m
16 Tour Cilops 101 m
17 Tour Mykernios 101 m
18 Tour Chambard 96 m
19 Tour Atlas 95 m
20 Tour Mantone 95 m
etc..

Those buildings are not for the lower class.

I agree this cluster is ugly


Other clusters

La Defense
Courbevoie Puteau and Nanterre inner suburbs of Paris

1 Tour Total 187 m
2 Tour Areva 184 m
3 Tour Gan 179 m
4 Tour Alicante 167 m
5 Tour Chassagne 167 m
6 Tour EDF 165 m
8 Cœur Défense 161 m
9 Tour Assur 159 m
10 Tour Adria 155 m
11 Tour Egée 155 m
12 Tour Ariane 152 m
13 Tour Les Poissons 150 m
14 Tour CBX 2005 142 m
15 Tour Défense 2000 136 m
16 Tour Europlaza 135 m
17 Tour Descartes 130 m
18 Tour France 126 m
19 Tour Franklin 120 m
20 Tour Séquoia 119 m
21 Tour Winterthur 119 m
22 Tour Michelet 117 m
23 Tour CB16 117 m
24 Tour Neptune 113 m
25 Préf des Hauts-de-Seine 113 m
26 Grande Arche 110 m
27 Tour Manhattan 110 m
28 Tour Aurore 110 m
29 Tour Eve 109 m
30 Tour Initiale 109 m
31 Tour Nuage 1 105 m
32 Tour Nuage 2 105 m
33 Tour Gambetta 104m
34 Tour Cèdre 103m
35 Tour Opus12 100m
36 Tour Athéna 100m

Front de seine
This cluster is near the Eiffel tower in inner Paris

Top 15

Tour Eiffel 300m
1 Tour Totem 100 m or 98 m
2 Novotel Paris Tour Eiffel 100 m or 98 m
3 Tour Cristal 100m or 98 m
4 Pierre & Vacances 98 m
5 Tour de Seine 98 m
6 Tour de Mars 94 m
7 Tour H15 94 m
8 Tour Perspective I 94 m
9 Tour Perspective II 94 m
10 Tour Reflets 94 m
11 Tour Avant Seine 93 m
12 Tour Espace 2000 93 m
13 Tour Evasion 2000 93 m
14 Tour Keller 93 m
15 Tour Rive Gauche 93m
etc..

Orgue des Flandre and la Villette
Inner Paris and one tower in Aubervillier

1 Tour Olympe 125 m (aubervillier )
2 Tour Prelude 123 m
3 Tour Fugue 108 m
4 Tour Cantate 101 m
5 Tour de Flandre 90m
6 Le Belvedere 88m
7 Orgues de Flandre IV 82m
8 Tour Occident 82m
9 Residence Artois-Flandre 80m
etc..


Microclusters

Montparnasse

1 Tour Montparnasse 210m
2 Hotel Meridien Montparnasse 116 m
3 Residences Super Montparnasse 90 m
4 9, Rue Georges Pitard 26 floors 80~70 m
etc..

Porte De Montreuil
20th district of inner Paris

1 Tour Giralda 104 m
2 Tour Saint Blaise 88m
etc..

Porte de Bagnolet
Inner Paris and Bagnolet

1 Tour Ponant 122m
2 Tour Levant 122m
3 1 Rue de la Noue ~80m
etc..

Bibliotheque Mitterand
National French library built in 1996 inner Paris

Tour des Lettres 80 m
Tour des Lois 80 m
Tour des Nombres 80 m
Tour des Temps 80 m


Porte Maillot has only one skyscraper

Hotel Concorde Lafayette 137 m

Paris is not a truly scrapers city ? :)

There can only be one Skyline King, if you ask me.
For Europe, it's Frankfurt.
Even though I live near Rotterdam, and love the skyline there, my vote still goes to Frankfurt because of the taller skyscrapers there.

^^I agree, Frankfurt is Europe's number 1, for the moment.
:yes:
Moscow will be the number 1 in the near future!
;)

But if u succeed to agglomerate in one angle .... the main faces of a city ... from its beginning, though its apogee, to the future of it ....
We will then be able to compare what we can compare ....

i will give u an example.
Paris. if we can find a place where we can see ....
the louvre (a beautiful renaissance palace).
with The Luxor Obelisque (3300 year old).
with the Grand Palais (piece of art of the end of the 19th century, symbol of the trust in sciences and modernism at this time).
with the Champs Elysees (seeing as one of the most romantic spot for many young couples in this world).
with the Arc de Triumph (huge piece of stone who remind us the Roman Empire, civilisation who inspired the European countries as the egyptian one did too).
with a huge space of classical low rise european Hausmannian buildings (as Neuilly distrit) and a huge Hood (the Boulogne park)
and finally with the La Defence, that everyone knows here, which was actually only born fifty years ago, which means that we have seen nothing yet ....

at this stage ... if we can find the perfect place to contemplate this skyline ... i go .. take a photo ... show it to u ... and after u could decide if this one is not the best skyline of europe .... and maybe more than that ....

i wait for ur comments.You mean a picture such as this one ?

http://mapage.noos.fr/marla13/LD2003.jpg


My favourite picture of Paris skyline remain this one though :

http://mapage.noos.fr/euro2004/Paris.jpg

I can create polls with more than 15 answers.

I can close that thread and start a new one with 20 answers and post it if you want. Just pm me the options.

Essen's Skyline is very underrated

Congrats to the European Capital of Culture 2010!!!

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/482/53345105na.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2240/53666104nf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/9530/54132888lu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9448/54112229sj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

underrated??

its my hometown but i don´t know why someone put essen on the list. its nothing. sorry. 4-5 midrise building will never make a skyline!

I though Istanbul was the capital of culture in 2010, at least we were told like that here :D

Frankfurt is without the doubt the best european skyline right now!
Closely follow by Paris and Istanbul!:)

ISTANBUL

http://static.flickr.com/54/181819928_535421505c_b.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/73/181819930_0d93083abe_b.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/53/181809451_ac282474f5_b.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/55/181809456_7eab970248_b.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/63/181809455_e17ab245b6_b.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/62/181809452_5def7d774f_b.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/64/175292687_3f85d97db8_b.jpg

I though Istanbul was the capital of culture in 2010, at least we were told like that here :D
as i know
Essen capital of culture in 2010 (EU)
Istanbul capital of culture in 2010 (non EU)

These are some developments in Rotterdam. All of them are aproved by local government. Not included on this impression are the 164m Maastower (U/C), the 171m Zalmhaven project (which is still in the development stage) and a 145m project in the wijnhaven area...

http://www.foto010.nl/pix/376.jpg

^^Great projects for Rotterdam!!
:okay:

My favourite skyline is Londons', because it has a combination of every other citys skyline in different parts of the city (and London has definately more than 2 clusters)

This is from Greenwich hill - here we have Greenwich park, Queen Marys Palace, Royal Naval college (domed buildings), Canary Wharf, Millenium Dome is to the right out of shot (world biggest dome), St Pauls cathedral to left and the city
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/P4220087.jpg

My experiance of Canary wharf is excellent as i have been to concerts in Canada Square, been to the many bars and restaurants at the base of the skyscrapers - where it is very cosmopolitan with restaurants and bars spiling out onto the streets

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/P7210045.jpg

As mentioned before, a sklines prettyness depends on where it is taken from - for example here are two shots of the city of London

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/P4220107.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/P4220093.jpg

one represents skyscrapers and one represents what the area is like

This is another cluster where the shard will be (opposite the city)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/P4220099.jpg

Here is looking towards Westminster

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/P4220130.jpg

Here we have the area towards Oxford street

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/P4220156.jpg

here is a very dynamic skyline

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/P4220092.jpg

and westminster

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/P4220178.jpg

Istanbul

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/warsword/a253fa80.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/warsword/139_3934bst2.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/57/163607107_6a71783d5f_b.jpg

^^Istanbul?
;)
Great photo!!
:okay:

Moscow's growing skyline...
120 degrees view from the centre to the West.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2073/panorama1422kr5.jpg

OK, from all the above, London and Istanbul look fabulous as always. Rotterdam is the perfect example of how to create an excellent skyline without having to go extremely high (something that can show us the way for Athens too, maybe). However, Moscow steals the impressions here. Not only has the tallest building in Europe, but also they are the most likely candidates for continuing to possess this title due to the slow, yet continuing construction of the Moscow Federation Tower.

We should not forget that Moscow has been an old imperial city and now is a capital of a great nation rapidly rising up from the ashes again. I expect nothing less fro the Russians and the rest of Europe should beware of the sleeping giant as far as highrise construction is concerned.

BTW, is the Ostankino tower open to the public after the fire? Another great structure, the 2nd tallest in the world at the time of completion (and still is, if I remember correctly).

^^Istanbul?
;)
Great photo!!
:okay:

yes it is :cheers:

Moscow

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7766/sky1fh9.jpg

http://img289.imageshack.us/img289/6412/sky2px7.jpg

Warsaw by Jan Wisniowski & Tomasz Dziubinski
http://i.pbase.com/o5/56/466856/1/68406968.fpMOIZq6.uTOM_2238a1cm.jpg
http://mishilo.image.pbase.com/g5/56/466856/2/68351601.A4FUcEEr.jpg
http://k43.pbase.com/o5/64/708464/1/68442325.FRlVflMG.3.jpg

Warsaw skyscrapers / View from PKiN

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9008/15656410029d91fb324o5bjq5.jpg

Amsterdam midrise:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/MaartenW/Zuidas/Phlog_HVA_DSCN0776.jpg

The fast developping South-Axis one year ago:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/MaartenW/Zuidas/DSC03889855x641641x4802.jpg

Very nice view, but NO skyscrapers in Seville yet...
:dunno:

I can´t understand how anyone would like to put a skyscraper into that view??

http://*******************/gallery/d/5716-1/mos_5.jpg
http://*******************/gallery/d/5718-1/mos_6.jpg
http://*******************/gallery/d/5720-1/mos_7.jpg
http://*******************/gallery/d/5726-1/mos_10.jpg

A panorama of London: (Canary Wharf is not included)

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3512/pano2ax3mw0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Paris

Montparnasse
http://jrlegallais.free.fr/photos/villes/paris/tourmontparnasse/Tour_Montparnasse-20061007-001-Parc_Brimborion-JRL.jpg

Paris

East

http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/5492/2gparis19dsc03085atampr11280x9.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9393/2gparismercurialesdsc03586a128.jpg
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/466/2gparisbagnoletdsc01985a960ats.jpg
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/5086/paris1280x960dsc03569acnb1mq.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/3686/bparissouth1280x960dsc03445atn.jpg

Giko pics

Paris

Front De Seine
http://worldcuphistory.free.fr/vue-aerienne/front-de-seine.jpg
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8528/bpariseiffeltower1280x960dsc03.jpg

the second pic is taken by Giko

Paris

XIIIth district

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/1649/paristm1280x960dsc03849anbgz3p.jpg
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/6594/paris1280x960dsc03535abgz7ac.jpg
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/3268/bparis131280x960dsc03553abccgz.jpg

other beautiful pics of Giko

And for finish the biggest La Defense

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6814/parisladefense1280x960dsc03278.jpg
http://img432.imageshack.us/img432/5210/parisladefense1280x960dsc03837.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4277/parisladefense1280x960dsc04673.jpg
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/4061/parisladefense1280x960dsc04781.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/331/parisladefensedsc045251280x960.jpg

Thank at Giko for those beautiful pics

awesome pics of paris:dj:

that should make those who say paris is not that good think twice

Personnaly I like Frankfurt best

Moscow's super tall cluster
in 2005 by michau
http://www.michau.se/pics/my_pics/moskwa/2005_sept/050925_moskwa_4919.jpg

in 2006 by Ант Япы
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9965/05ti8.jpg

in 2009 (with minor modifications) - all buildings are u/c, the approved ones are not shown.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/959/06mq6.jpg

I didn't realize how ugly Paris is.

I didn't realize how ugly Paris is.

wtf,why???

An endless landlocked ocean of butt-ugly communist style buildings, with a few nice neoclassical, beaux-arts and art nouveau stuff scattered here and there in some parts of the center.