Nakakaaliw naman yung footbridge nila, may plants. Hopefully MMDA can do it on their footbridges too. Mas bagay dun cadena de amor or bougainvillea. Hehe!

Yung footbridge sa Ayala EDSA merong plants

Parang ng dumi tignan ang sa Bangkok at hindi masyadong matibay. yuon nga lang paglumindol ng malakas mababaluktot lang hindi madudurog kaagad.

yes bangkok footbridges are dirty. mmda footbridges are ok except it needs lighting.

what separates bangkok and manila are the flyovers. if we have tons of mmda footbridges, they have as many vehicular flyovers. ours dont even add up to 1/4 of theirs.

blue or green is okay but not pink :)
breaking news from Philippine Star

MMDA now an Army reserve unit
By Vernadette Joven (philstar.com) Updated September 04, 2009 03:02 PM

MANILA, Philippines – The Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) has appointed the Metro Manila Development Authority (MMDA) as a reserve unit of the Philippine Army.

In a Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) signed recently by Army Reserve commander Brig. Gen. Danilo Garcia — representing Chief Lt. Gen. Delfin Bangit — and MMDA Chairman Bayani Fernando, the MMDA is tasked to ensure the continuous and uninterrupted operations of water, light, transportation and communication for the AFP, especially in times of war and emergency.

This is to ensure that the AFP can carry out their national defense plans without any disruptions. Under the MOA, the MMDA will also help in strengthening the operations of the AFP by committing its manpower and assets to the Armed Forces during times of disaster, emergency and calamity.

On the other hand, the AFP will conduct pre-military training on MMDA personnel to aid their organization in thwarting raids, sabotages and enemy attacks. The AFP will also provide logistic support to the MMDA during emergencies and screen MMDA personnel for qualified applicants to the Reserve Force.

To complete the alliance between the Philippine Army and MMDA, the signed MOA will be certified by Secretary Gilberto Teodoro Jr.

Ano daw? MMDA, under BF, just turned into a small branch of the AFP and our traffic enforcers will have military training?? If so, Rename nalang natin ang Metro Manila Development Authory (MMDA) to Nationwide Development Authority (NDA). :lol:

Ganyan na ba ka despirado ang walang political will sa AFP? Inaasa nalang kay pink panther kahit MMDA chair lang? :lol:

...think the training will only be on assistance in times disaster, emergency and calamity and not on artillery and warfare. actually, there is already an existing disaster assistance unit at MMDA. although, MMDA is concentrated only for Metro Manila's emergency cases.

hmmm...nothing against Marikina really...ang comment ko that he is way off sa target nya is the post that says BF wants it to be little singapore...actually I thought ung MM ang gusto nya gawing little singapore...anyways, MM man o Marikina, malayo ang itsura sa Singapore kasi...

Yup, I am very familiar with Marikina, malapit lang kasi sa amin sa QC ang Marikina, and jan kami namamalengke kasi malinis ang public market ng Marikina. :)

pero, compared to singapore, malayo ang ginagawa ni BF to make MM or even marikina like SG.

just to clarify, its Marikina's "dream" to be a "little" Singapore and not MM's. and it was the present Mayor Marides Fernando who has been very vocal with that dream.

just to clarify, its Marikina's "dream" to be a "little" Singapore and not MM's. and it was the present Mayor Marides Fernando who has been very vocal with that dream.

ah ok...then I commend them for having a vision. aim high! ok yang, very inspiring...anyways, since the 90s naman Marikina has always been the cleanest City in MM...sana Isali ni BF ang entire MM sa dream nya...I just hope that on their journey towards the realization of that "dream" they find the reason to do away with the pink urinals na nakakalat sa EDSA...parang wala kasing pink urinals sa Orchard rd. :D

ah ok...then I commend them for having a vision. aim high! ok yang, very inspiring...anyways, since the 90s naman Marikina has always been the cleanest City in MM...sana Isali ni BF ang entire MM sa dream nya...I just hope that on their journey towards the realization of that "dream" they find the reason to do away with the pink urinals na nakakalat sa EDSA...parang wala kasing pink urinals sa Orchard rd. :D

wala kasing trapik sa Singapore, tanggalin muna trapik sa Manila para mabilis makauwi at makapuntang mall na may CR para wala nang parang asong umiihi sa tabi-tabi:lol:

MMDA to light up 7 roads Manila Bulletin - Citing poor illumination or absence of streetlights as one of the causes of street crimes and vehicular accidents, the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority (MMDA) has embarked on a massive project to light up Metro Manila’s major thoroughfares.

The center islands of Metro Manila’s seven major roads – Commonwealth Avenue, Epifanio de los Santos Ave. (EDSA), Quezon Avenue , McArthur Highway , C-5, Radial Road or R-10, and Marcos Highway – will be installed with 50-foot tower lights aimed not only for road visibility and safer roads for pedestrians and motorists but also energy efficiency.

MMDA Chairman Bayani Fernando said the lighting project also covers vehicular underpasses such as the EDSA-Ayala tunnel in Makati City, Fernando said.

Unlike ordinary street lamps, the tower lights the MMDA have been installing are more powerful but with lesser energy consumption, Fernando said.

“These are cost-effective street lights. Because they are taller than the ordinary street lights, they cover more spaces to include not just the road itself but also the sidewalks,” Fernando explained.

The MMDA tower lights are being installed to gradually replace the old, dilapidated street lights common in Metro Manila streets.

Fernando said each tower-type street light the MMDA has been putting up has three bulbs, providing more light than the ordinary single-bulb light post.

^^
where ?? up to now ayala ave intersection is still dark.

ive noticed they put up 3 tower lights in intersection of araneta ave and ramon magsaysay ave (in front of sm sta mesa)! :) i think this is now the brightest intersection in whole of manila :cheers:

wala kasing trapik sa Singapore, tanggalin muna trapik sa Manila para mabilis makauwi at makapuntang mall na may CR para wala nang parang asong umiihi sa tabi-tabi:lol:

:lol:...oo nga, wala kasing jeep/FX na kaliwat kanan dun and buses have designated stops and hindi nakabalandra sa daan...

:lol:...oo nga, wala kasing jeep/FX na kaliwat kanan dun and buses have designated stops and hindi nakabalandra sa daan... in singapore you can not purchase car easily kahit meron kapang pera, you need to win lottery from the goverment, regulated kasi ang bentahan ng sasakyan meron yearly quota, di kolang alam kung puwedeng singit system and if you was selected first you need to present meron kang available parking sa bahay pag wala bibigay sa iba yung slot mo, plus road tax very expensive, plus yung mga toll fee and parking fee mahal talaga. Anyway magagawa ng pinas yan kung ready na yung trasport network natin.? Political will lang talaga re alignment ng MRT, LRT, PNR, Pasig River Ferry and others, also bawal bable gum and dumura at mag yosi habang naglalakad, papadumi din kasi ng sidewalk eh, kaya naman ang linis?

^^ito ang magandang isabatas din dito sa ating bansa. Those who plan to acquire cars should have parking space first before they can be given permits to purchase and own a car. Sagabal talaga sa kalsada ang mga sasakyan na pilit na ipinaparada sa napakasikip na bangketa.

We can also mandate the useful life years of vehicles and implement mandatory disposition upon full depreciation for the environment's sake (or if this would be very difficult to enact, the government should at least be strict in the implementation of the Clean Air Act/anti-belching).

some tourists find the MMDA footbridges weird because of its color. Anyway, good job MMDA for those footbridges. I just want to suggest: please put some lights on some of those bridges. it's scary at night.

Bicutan footbridge meron kinabit si Mayor Bernabe. Pero wala pa atang tatlong linggo nagana wala na. Matagal nang nakatanga yung mga lamposts.

Bicutan footbridge meron kinabit si Mayor Bernabe. Pero wala pa atang tatlong linggo nagana wala na. Matagal nang nakatanga yung mga lamposts.

di kaya ninakaw ung mga light bulbs? lol

baka nga next time, ung buong footbridge na ang mawala...ibentang por kilo ung bakal. hehehe

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/BangkokholidayAugust28toSept1161.jpg



mas maganda naman di hamak (for me) ang pedestrian bridge na ito kaysa sa pink ni BF..masakit sa mata ang mga pedestrian bridge ni BF

Bicutan footbridge meron kinabit si Mayor Bernabe. Pero wala pa atang tatlong linggo nagana wala na. Matagal nang nakatanga yung mga lamposts.

nakita mo ba paano nilagay ang wiring ng mga lamp post na yun? buti nga pinatay na lang. risky sa mga taong nag lalakad baka makuryente ka pa pag napadikit. paano exposed yung wire sa gilid. hindi man lang itinago sa ilalim yung cabling. nasa gilid nakalagay, parang tarabhong eskwater pagkakalagy ng wiring. mamaya kukuha akong pic doon sa sinasabi ko.

True! Mahirap magkakotse dito sa Singapore kasi mahal talaga. Besides paying for the car's actual value, you still have to pay ARF (Additional Registration Fee - same amount as the car's price) plus COE (certificate of entitlement - which goes through bidding, usually umaabot din siya nang same amount as you car or even more expensive). Plus road taxes, processing fees, and insurance. Usually you have to pay 3 to 4 times nang car's value.

Not true! You don't have to have a garage to own a car, kasi most of the people here live in condominium type residences. Maraming public carpark at kung meron kang landed property, most likely me carpark yun kasi it's expensive to have a landed property.

Pero it's not worth to have a car here kasi maganda talaga ang public transport nila.

Indeed, mahigpit talaga sila. Pag bawal, bawal. Walang pakipakiusap.

Sana nga kahit 20% lang nang Singapore's achievement ang maachieve ni BF for MM eh malaking pasalamat na. Cheers! ;-)

in singapore you can not purchase car easily kahit meron kapang pera, you need to win lottery from the goverment, regulated kasi ang bentahan ng sasakyan meron yearly quota, di kolang alam kung puwedeng singit system and if you was selected first you need to present meron kang available parking sa bahay pag wala bibigay sa iba yung slot mo, plus road tax very expensive, plus yung mga toll fee and parking fee mahal talaga. Anyway magagawa ng pinas yan kung ready na yung trasport network natin.? Political will lang talaga re alignment ng MRT, LRT, PNR, Pasig River Ferry and others, also bawal bable gum and dumura at mag yosi habang naglalakad, papadumi din kasi ng sidewalk eh, kaya naman ang linis?

nakita mo ba paano nilagay ang wiring ng mga lamp post na yun? buti nga pinatay na lang. risky sa mga taong nag lalakad baka makuryente ka pa pag napadikit. paano exposed yung wire sa gilid. hindi man lang itinago sa ilalim yung cabling. nasa gilid nakalagay, parang tarabhong eskwater pagkakalagy ng wiring. mamaya kukuha akong pic doon sa sinasabi ko.

Yep, lalo na ngayon na hindi na ginagamit ang ilaw ay lalaong naeexpose ang mga wires. Mukang mananakaw pa to. Sayang lang kz taxpayer's money yan.

True! Mahirap magkakotse dito sa Singapore kasi mahal talaga. Besides paying for the car's actual value, you still have to pay ARF (Additional Registration Fee - same amount as the car's price) plus COE (certificate of entitlement - which goes through bidding, usually umaabot din siya nang same amount as you car or even more expensive). Plus road taxes, processing fees, and insurance. Usually you have to pay 3 to 4 times nang car's value.

Not true! You don't have to have a garage to own a car, kasi most of the people here live in condominium type residences. Maraming public carpark at kung meron kang landed property, most likely me carpark yun kasi it's expensive to have a landed property.

Pero it's not worth to have a car here kasi maganda talaga ang public transport nila.

Indeed, mahigpit talaga sila. Pag bawal, bawal. Walang pakipakiusap.

Sana nga kahit 20% lang nang Singapore's achievement ang maachieve ni BF for MM eh malaking pasalamat na. Cheers! ;-)

Kung ang public transpo sa Metro o sa ibang cities sa Pinas ay mala SG, eh hindi na talaga ako magkkotse pa. Sorry OT

comparing apples with oranges na naman tayo diyan....liit ng singa...lahat ng cementado na kalye ng pinas sigurado...na semento na ang buong singa...may sobra pa....ang tao dun may disiplina...dito in the process pa lang ng magkadisiplina....:lol:

;42762592']mas maganda naman di hamak (for me) ang pedestrian bridge na ito kaysa sa pink ni BF..masakit sa mata ang mga pedestrian bridge ni BF

Pagdating sa design ng footbridges mas maganda naman ang sa MMDA. Color is just the problem. Maybe after BF's term i-repaint na lang ng mas maayos at subtle na kulay ang mga footbridges.

;42762592']mas maganda naman di hamak (for me) ang pedestrian bridge na ito kaysa sa pink ni BF..masakit sa mata ang mga pedestrian bridge ni BF

Not true. Yong footbridge near MRT Lumpini station, malapit sa Brazilian embassy, ang pangit...daming vandal, luma na...pagbaba mo, madumi.
I appreciate MM more now - although kailangan talaga i improve ang mga Pailaw sa daan esp. the flyover.

^^ I was just referring to how it looks sa picture, na masakit sa mata ang Pink and blue, and the unpainted one na may halaman sa gilid looks better

;42819574']^^ I was just referring to how it looks sa picture, na masakit sa mata ang Pink and blue, and the unpainted one na may halaman sa gilid looks better

We used to have those "heavy" footbridges with plants lalo na un may bubong.. and look at the state of them now. Sobrang dumi at ng lilimahid at minsan pugad pa ng mga holdapers at hinde kita sa gabi kaya takaw aksidente.

Kahit masakit sa mata ang pink and blue....very noticable sya sa distance at kahit sa gabi at ang design nya ay simple at maaliwalas.


Oh yeah, MMDA is now conducting massive dredging work on Pateros and Taguig river. Infact, sinara na nila un C-6 floodgates at pinapump out nila un tubig para mahukay nila ng maayos ang pateros at taguig river. Also, binubuhay narin ng MMDA ang mga patay na creeks dito sa taguig.

Ang problema lang ngayon ay, mula nung sinara un floodgates. Ang bilis tumaas ng tubig sa laguna lake at yan tuloy, lumulubog ang bahay namin sa Baybreeze dahil sa naipon na tubig.. :nuts:

Ayos lang since taguig river is finally getting dredged after years of neglect! GO MMDA AND BF :banana: !

We used to have those "heavy" footbridges with plants lalo na un may bubong.. and look at the state of them now. Sobrang dumi at ng lilimahid at minsan pugad pa ng mga holdapers at hinde kita sa gabi kaya takaw aksidente.

Kahit masakit sa mata ang pink and blue....very noticable sya sa distance at kahit sa gabi at ang design nya ay simple at maaliwalas.


diba sa maintenance na yang problema sa pagiging marumi at madilim? for me, pwede nga tanggalan ng bubong (para di gawing tulugan ng palaboy at banketa ng mga vendor) then lagyan ng uplight sa sides para kahit gabi eh maliwanag

I still think something like this

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/72/227323966_5001226866.jpg

over this

http://www.aaphilippines.org/roadsafety/images/image_footbridge.jpg

mainit na nga ang mga lansangan natin tapos may mga glaring pa na footrbridge, but I guess to each his own, tutal di rin naman ako tiga dyan eh hehe

Not true. Yong footbridge near MRT Lumpini station, malapit sa Brazilian embassy, ang pangit...daming vandal, luma na...pagbaba mo, madumi.


You speak as if all other footbridges in BKK are like that one near lumpini lah.

:ohno:

Standard look of BKK footbridge is something like this.
(picture from thaitransit.blogspot)
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l74/Thaitransit/New%20BTS/P1000215a.jpg



This one is kinda standard-looking also.
Made of concrete with stainless-steel railing


http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/BangkokholidayAugust28toSept1161.jpg

just noticed these in Bangkok, parang hawig ng MMDA project ni BF - green nga lang ang kulay. The wires ay kalat din :)
near BTS Ari Station
http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/BangkokholidayAugust28toSept1033.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/BangkokholidayAugust28toSept1034.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/BangkokholidayAugust28toSept1035.jpg

^^
This footbridge is quite unique.
If i'm not wrong, it's more than 2 decades old.
During that time, most BKK footbridges were made of steel.

Below is the pictures taken by Jo posted in Thai Forum while ago.

For other fancier footbridges in BKK, you can visit this link in Thai forum

Improving the footbridges
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=377414&page=5

:cheers:


This one in Ari is alright

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/joprb/other_stuffs/06edfe5d.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/joprb/other_stuffs/f5e310c1.jpg

You speak as if all other footbridges in BKK are like that one near lumpini lah.

:ohno:


I did not say that all BKK footbridges are like LUmpini's. I visited a friend at Brazilian embassy and went to LUmpini MRT station and saw the bridge . I did not even post the photo to prevent CvC because it does not really look good. Here in our business districts or where the embassy offices are, our footbridge is modest and clean. Also, the wires in our main CBDs are underground - Makati (except in Legaspi Village) BGC, Alabang, new districts like McKinley Hill. It's different in BKK. Overall, BKK is great, bustling city.

When to I went to Phaholyothin (Soi Aree), I saw another footbridge somehow resembles that of our own but that one looks older.

I know BKK from Gaysorn (high end mall where all the luxury brands are) to Klong Toie (slums), Chatuchak among others, but can't speak Thai :), my 6th visit in all.

For those who want "pretty" footbridges. Ang tanong, praktikal ba to sa atin ito? Sa sobrang tigas ng mukha ng pinoy, kahit may footbridge na sa pagmumuka nya. Sa ILALIM pa mismo ng footbridge sya dadaan. Just look at C-5 taguig, EDSA-Pasay, EDSA-Buendia and you'll know what i mean.

Wait, here's a video instead:
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Still, if you guys want "pretty" footbridges. Just give MMDA's yearly budget a serious raise and MMDA might redesign it and kill those trapo mayors that rule metro manila...

:banana:

In some parts of BKK CBD, wires and cables are already underground such as Silom rd., Siam-Ratchaprasong-Ratchadamri-Ploenchit area, plus some area in old town Rattanakosin.

Now work is on-going along Phaholyothin rd. from Mochit terminal station to Victory Monument, Phayathai rd. from Victory monument to Siam, and Sukhumvit rd. from Pleonchit to BITEC.
So in next 2 years, these 3 main arteries will be wireless. (in small sois will still remains wires, too costly to put them all underground)

Metropolitan Electricity Autrority and Bangkok Metropolitan Administration already have a masterplan to put wires along other roads underground. The problem is this project costs so much that they have to do it bit by bit.

I know its mostly in Thai, but we have been talking about this a lot in Thai forum.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=130863&page=47

comparing apples with oranges na naman tayo diyan....liit ng singa...lahat ng cementado na kalye ng pinas sigurado...na semento na ang buong singa...may sobra pa....ang tao dun may disiplina...dito in the process pa lang ng magkadisiplina....:lol:

oo nga, kalbo na nga yung iba, wala pa ring disiplina.
dad, hindi ka kasama doon ha:D

In some parts of BKK CBD, wires and cables are already underground such as Silom rd., Siam-Ratchaprasong-Ratchadamri-Ploenchit area, plus some area in old town Rattanakosin.

Now work is on-going along Phaholyothin rd. from Mochit terminal station to Victory Monument, Phayathai rd. from Victory monument to Siam, and Sukhumvit rd. from Pleonchit to BITEC.
So in next 2 years, these 3 main arteries will be wireless. (in small sois will still remains wires, too costly to put them all underground)

Metropolitan Electricity Autrority and Bangkok Metropolitan Administration already have a masterplan to put wires along other roads underground. The problem is this project costs so much that they have to do it bit by bit.

I know its mostly in Thai, but we have been talking about this a lot in Thai forum.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=130863&page=47

How come you did not include Sathorn? Is Sathorn your main avenue - CBD? It looks like our Ayala Avenue/Paseo de Roxas but the wires need to be put underground.

For those who want "pretty" footbridges. Ang tanong, praktikal ba to sa atin ito? Sa sobrang tigas ng mukha ng pinoy, kahit may footbridge na sa pagmumuka nya. Sa ILALIM pa mismo ng footbridge sya dadaan. Just look at C-5 taguig, EDSA-Pasay, EDSA-Buendia and you'll know what i mean.

:banana:

They should install a pedestrian flyover in that area. I've seen how MMDA footbridges help a lot in ensuring the safety of pedestrians. Once they put a barrier just like in C5, nobody dares to cross the road. Same with EDSA

For those who want "pretty" footbridges. Ang tanong, praktikal ba to sa atin ito? Sa sobrang tigas ng mukha ng pinoy, kahit may footbridge na sa pagmumuka nya. Sa ILALIM pa mismo ng footbridge sya dadaan. Just look at C-5 taguig, EDSA-Pasay, EDSA-Buendia and you'll know what i mean.
Still, if you guys want "pretty" footbridges. Just give MMDA's yearly budget a serious raise and MMDA might redesign it and kill those trapo mayors that rule metro manila...

:banana:

^^ Grabe talaga ang kulit ng pinoy, meron na ngang footbridge doon pa gustong tumawid sa bawal :ohno:

Mas maganda sana meron MMDA bus jail sa gitna na manghuli ng jaywalking para bigyan ng lesson yun pasaway na pedestrian. Magagamit pa ng MMDA yun koleksyon ng multa para mapagawa ng permanent na pader.

Mahirap kasi umakyat sa foot bridges minsan. For example my aunt who is 80 yrs old, she can hardly move her foot up, shes ok walkng but climbing is a real challenge. Thats why she crosses the street even if she knows its very risky.

^^ It's true that the MMDA footbridges (and in fact most of Manila's footbridges) aren't disabled-friendly, since it's only now that Manila actually recognizes the need to be friendlier to the disabled in terms of infrastructure. Hopefully in the future we realize how important this is.

The MMDA footbridges are really very essential in maintaining a smooth flow of traffic on a major thoroughfare. Sooner or later, MMDA will take in consideration the disabled and the elderly in providing access to the this footbridges. I am not a big fan of the the color PINK either so sana ma maintain lang nila ang cleanliness and safety ng mga tulay tawiran.



:horse:

^^ They already do. Some footbridges have on-ramps meant for the use of wheelchair-bound persons.

ano po masasabi ninyo sa mga naka motorsiklo na dumadaan sa sidewalk? Trapik daw kasi lalo na sa area ng balintawak kung saan on-going ang LRT 1 extension. Bubusinahan pa nila ang mga naglalakad na commuters. Minsan pati mga riders ng MMDA doon din dumadaan.

;42821312']
mainit na nga ang mga lansangan natin tapos may mga glaring pa na footrbridge, but I guess to each his own, tutal di rin naman ako tiga dyan eh hehe

ang tagal na ng issue na 'to sa kulay pink. d ba kayo napapagod?:)
Ilang months na lang naman, BF will be out of the MMDA. let his successor change it if you really hate pink and want it out of our streets.

You speak as if all other footbridges in BKK are like that one near lumpini lah.

:ohno:

Standard look of BKK footbridge is something like this....


This one is kinda standard-looking also.
Made of concrete with stainless-steel railing

the area you've presented seems like it's one of their CBDs. if it's really a CBD, then you should compare it with our CBDs, too, to be fair. Compare it with the underpasses at Ayala Ave.

are you sure that across Bangkok, that's the standard or at least the majority appear with that design?

are you sure that across Bangkok, that's the standard or at least the majority appear with that design?

Of course

ano po masasabi ninyo sa mga naka motorsiklo na dumadaan sa sidewalk? Trapik daw kasi lalo na sa area ng balintawak kung saan on-going ang LRT 1 extension. Bubusinahan pa nila ang mga naglalakad na commuters. Minsan pati mga riders ng MMDA doon din dumadaan.

Sipain mo un motor tapos tawag ka ng pulis!

^^ They already do. Some footbridges have on-ramps meant for the use of wheelchair-bound persons.

I thought most of the foot bridges in Metro Manila are equipped with an escalators going up? Or is it just part of Makati has these?

^^ Ortigas and Las Piñas footbridges have escalators, as well as footbridges which cross MRT stations. All other footbridges either have on-ramps for wheelchair-bound persons, plain stairs or both. However, footbridges equipped only with stairs is the cheapest to produce, and is the most common type of footbridge.

^^ Ortigas and Las Piñas footbridges have escalators, as well as footbridges which cross MRT stations. All other footbridges either have on-ramps for wheelchair-bound persons, plain stairs or both. However, footbridges equipped only with stairs is the cheapest to produce, and is the most common type of footbridge.

AFAIK, there are a number of MRT stations that have elevator on them... can pedestrians/persons-with-disability use it to cross EDSA?? maayos pa ba ang mga elevator?? i read one time, vagabonds are sometimes seen sleeping inside...:lol::bash:

:cheers:

ang tagal na ng issue na 'to sa kulay pink. d ba kayo napapagod?:)
Ilang months na lang naman, BF will be out of the MMDA. let his successor change it if you really hate pink and want it out of our streets.



the area you've presented seems like it's one of their CBDs. if it's really a CBD, then you should compare it with our CBDs, too, to be fair. Compare it with the underpasses at Ayala Ave.

are you sure that across Bangkok, that's the standard or at least the majority appear with that design?

Setting aside bias here, the footbridges and underpasses in our CBDs are better than the ones in Bangkok. We have well ventilated underpasses in Ayala, the pedestrian footbridge from Makati Medical Center all the way to Greenbelt/Glorietta (how many kilometers?), the footbridges in Ortigas. Now, there is an on-going construction of footbridge at the back of SM Megamall.

That's what I noticed.
In Metro Manila, disparity between rich and poor areas seems huge.

Bangkok is different. There are nice areas and not-so-nice areas, but the road, streetside, landscape, doesn't look much different.
So I kinda look at these 2 cities as a whole, not just compare area to area.

But If you want to compare pedestrian footbridges in MM's CBD and Bangkok, you should compare them with the elevated walkways/footbridges around Siam.

^^ I didn't see pedestrian underpasses in Bangkok. In Metro Manila, these underpasses are not only in Makati but also in QC Circle and Quiapo. When we traveled from Lumpini Tower to watch Siam Niramit cultural show in Huaykwang, I noticed that Bangkok is clean but the wires are still there. The sidewalks and buildings are similar to Manila's street scapes.

On the economy, I don't think the problem on disparity between the rich and poor is exclusive only to the Philippines. Bangkok has similar problem as well. The basic pay of average worker in Bangkok is in fact lower than Manila's minimum wage worker. In contrast to the wealthy Bangkokians and Manilans who can afford Porsche, BMW, Mercedez that roam the streets.

^^ I was amazed on those luxury cars on display at Siam Paragon. I took photos of them.

pedestrian underpass, new photos

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2448/3784813987_2bd9bc81b0.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ironwulf/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3479/3881273565_636078262a_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andropov/

Setting aside bias here, the footbridges and underpasses in our CBDs are better than the ones in Bangkok. We have well ventilated underpasses in Ayala, the pedestrian footbridge from Makati Medical Center all the way to Greenbelt/Glorietta (how many kilometers?), the footbridges in Ortigas. Now, there is an on-going construction of footbridge at the back of SM Megamall.

I think that's about 2 to 2.5 kilometers and my favorite portion there is the Paseo de Roxas/dela Rosa crossing. We have that well-designed walkway/footbridge because it was built by the Ayalas and not by the city government...but the most important thing is that each structure serves it purpose considering that there are other important capital expenditures (sadly, including kickbacks:ohno:) that the government should attend to.

That's what I noticed.
In Metro Manila, disparity between rich and poor areas seems huge.

Bangkok is different. There are nice areas and not-so-nice areas, but the road, streetside, landscape, doesn't look much different.
So I kinda look at these 2 cities as a whole, not just compare area to area.

But If you want to compare pedestrian footbridges in MM's CBD and Bangkok, you should compare them with the elevated walkways/footbridges around Siam.

Bangkok may have the better (in general) footbridges and that is because we have noticed and realized more the importance of these footbridges only when MMDA has started to consider it in its "Metro Gwapo" project. We have just started and the footbridges we have can still evolve and I hope the design (or the color, which has been the most argued about here) improves.

dapat talaga makipagtulungan ang private sector tulad ng Ayala at SM para maimprove ang disenyo ng mga footbridges,underpasses at iba pang government projects...
mataas ang quality ng gawa ng private sectors kaysa government..walang violent reaction ha :lol:

MMDA to light up 7 roads Manila Bulletin - Citing poor illumination or absence of streetlights as one of the causes of street crimes and vehicular accidents, the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority (MMDA) has embarked on a massive project to light up Metro Manila’s major thoroughfares.

The center islands of Metro Manila’s seven major roads – Commonwealth Avenue, Epifanio de los Santos Ave. (EDSA), Quezon Avenue , McArthur Highway , C-5, Radial Road or R-10, and Marcos Highway – will be installed with 50-foot tower lights aimed not only for road visibility and safer roads for pedestrians and motorists but also energy efficiency.

MMDA Chairman Bayani Fernando said the lighting project also covers vehicular underpasses such as the EDSA-Ayala tunnel in Makati City, Fernando said.

Unlike ordinary street lamps, the tower lights the MMDA have been installing are more powerful but with lesser energy consumption, Fernando said.

“These are cost-effective street lights. Because they are taller than the ordinary street lights, they cover more spaces to include not just the road itself but also the sidewalks,” Fernando explained.

The MMDA tower lights are being installed to gradually replace the old, dilapidated street lights common in Metro Manila streets.

Fernando said each tower-type street light the MMDA has been putting up has three bulbs, providing more light than the ordinary single-bulb light post.



^^
where ?? up to now ayala ave intersection is still dark.

ive noticed they put up 3 tower lights in intersection of araneta ave and ramon magsaysay ave (in front of sm sta mesa)! :) i think this is now the brightest intersection in whole of manila :cheers:

re-up ko lang! wala na ba talagang pagasa sa pagpapailaw sa magallanes interchange ?? and the ayala portion? plus the flyovers in the philippines financial capital directly over edsa?? un u turn slot sa ilalim ng buendia flyoever is so scary and dangeours. meron pa nga mmda outpost dun but theyre just watching tv and waiting for accident to happen.

just last night may tumagilid at nagroll over na expedition sa magallanes! hahhaha! tpaos last week lang ata may taxi naman lumiyab bumangga kasi sa camouflage signboard! wahhahha! tapos last month may bmw na pagmayari ng venezuelan expat lumiyab din dun ! well done bayani fernando!

^ ganyan sila sa makati eh

I think that's about 2 to 2.5 kilometers and my favorite portion there is the Paseo de Roxas/dela Rosa crossing. We have that well-designed walkway/footbridge because it was built by the Ayalas and not by the city government...but the most important thing is that each structure serves it purpose considering that there are other important capital expenditures (sadly, including kickbacks:ohno:) that the government should attend to.


Thanks. We posted before that Makati footbridge...nice.

The traffic jam in Bangkok...however, I noticed that compared to previous years, it has improved but to what extent, can't really quantify in terms of percentage.

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/BangkokholidayAugust28toSept1054.jpg

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Why don't we standardized our street landscaping something like this and eliminate those fancy design and barriers, make it simple and clean.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/adverg/d2057zb.jpg
Or like this, even we have so much exposed overhead electric wires, it will cover by this huge nice trees.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/adverg/d1893iq.jpg
And even like this, painted those old existing building with good pastel color combination so it will compliment to our tropical climate rather than those hot contrasted colors. We can use grey, light blue, brick colors, some yellow, maroon and black and even wallnut colors is appropriate.

Wag ka ng umasa... Alam natin na balahura at sobrang kalat ng pinoy. Kaya just after a week, yan damo nayan ay kalbo na.

Good work BF. The flyover in ORtigas is now painted white.
http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/Ortigasflyover-1.jpg

Not sure if already posted here but I saw metro gwapo sign in Mendez Crossing in Tagaytay City. Any idea kung bakit meron dun? nasa mismong crossing cya... yun estabablishment dun pink and blue din kulay tapos may metro gwapo logo at nakalagay.. project of MMDA..:cheers:

pedestrian underpass, new photos

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2448/3784813987_2bd9bc81b0.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ironwulf/

Reminds me of freakin North Korea, only with billboards.

^^It looks freakin coz they haven't lighted up the billboards.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/adverg/d2057zb.jpg
Or like this, even we have so much exposed overhead electric wires, it will cover by this huge nice trees.

^^ not possible...trees like that are pruned to avoid taggling with the power wires...

that's why, to truly promote tree planting in Metro Manila, and other major uban areas, we need to bury our cables.

^^It looks freakin coz they haven't lighted up the billboards.

How about this?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3585/3585063504_a33bce1ff6.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/benshoy/

From Intercon to Glorietta tunnel /pedestrian underpass
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/elgin_duenas/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/pale_lips/

Not sure if already posted here but I saw metro gwapo sign in Mendez Crossing in Tagaytay City. Any idea kung bakit meron dun? nasa mismong crossing cya... yun estabablishment dun pink and blue din kulay tapos may metro gwapo logo at nakalagay.. project of MMDA..:cheers:

Due to the super incompetence and super corruption of the mayors and governors. Tagaytay and the Entire Cavite Region is now under the jurisdiction of MMDA when it comes to road widening, sidewalk clearing and overall traffic improvement projects..

The most funny thing is, i've seen a MMDA sign IN BATANGAS :nuts::lol:

MMDA projects and traffic management range, under BF's term, is now slowly spreading outside of Metro Manila.

Due to the super incompetence and super corruption of the mayors and governors. Tagaytay and the Entire Cavite Region is now under the jurisdiction of MMDA when it comes to road widening, sidewalk clearing and overall traffic improvement projects..

The most funny thing is, i've seen a MMDA sign IN BATANGAS :nuts::lol:

MMDA projects and traffic management range, under BF's term, is now slowly spreading outside of Metro Manila.

that is the good news.....bf for president

pedestrian underpass, new photos

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2448/3784813987_2bd9bc81b0.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ironwulf/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3479/3881273565_636078262a_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andropov/


Nice! Is that a vending machine at the right corner in glowing red? Tnx!

my guess is a BPI ATM machine.

^^ Yes, it's a BPI ATM.

^^Even they lighted up the billboards it's still not enough, they must used the acrylic type billboards with fluorescent light inside or something that brightened that panelings instead of hidden the lights on sides. Secondly the light on ceiling still not enough to make the place bright enough at night.

How about those shown in Bangkok, they have a lot of trees but they have overhead power lines too.

How about those shown in Bangkok, they have a lot of trees but they have overhead power lines too.

an example in Bangkok.
Just share lang this nice directional sign in Bangkok CBD (the wires don't look good though). Makati has those smaller version but only in Ayala Center. It would be nice to have bigger signages.
http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/BangkokholidayAugust28toSept1168.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/BangkokholidayAugust28toSept1181.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/BangkokholidayAugust28toSept1032.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/BangkokholidayAugust28toSept1162.jpg

for me, it would be best that our wires are put underground. The trees cannot hide them all.

^^

:bash:
Roads in Manila are getting worse by the day!! Perfectly fine roads are under stress due to incessant raining and heavy vehicles especially trucks.
Potholes in Manila are nothing new and having them more abundant during the rainy season is part of the day to day driving conditions we all need to cope up with. But it is unusual for manila to experience rains for one week straight so this is probably why almost the whole of Manila's roads are in bad shape latey.

i have made a list the places i frequent and the ff areas require you to be more cautious of your driving and be always prepared:

MAJOR - will cause major vehicle damage on speeds above 20 kph
MODERATE - maintain speeds of below 40kph
SLIGHT - normal driving speeds but just be mindful of the road irregularities

1.) Roxas Blvd northbound around Baclaran area - MAJOR ALL LANES
2.) Quirino Etxn (Paco Area) - MAJOR
3.) U.N Avenue extn -MODERATE
4.) Romualdez st - MODERATE
5.) Magallanes area below skyway - SLIGHT
6.) Quintin Paredes southbound (near Chinatown arch)-MAJOR center lane
7.) EDSA sourthbound (around Boni) - MAJOR bus lane
8.) EDSA northbound (around Buendia in front of Forbes park seconday gate) - MAJOR bus lane
9.) Pioneer St - SLIGHT
10.) Shaw Blvd - SLIGHT TO MODERATE
11.) Fort BGC(32nd street along St Lukes) - SLIGHT
12.) C-5 Road (from Bagong Ilog to Fort) - MODERATE
13.) EDSA approaching south end - MODERATE
14.) road in front of Greenbelt 5 - MODERATE
15.) Pasay Road - MODERATE

an example in Bangkok.
Just share lang this nice directional sign in Bangkok CBD (the wires don't look good though). Makati has those smaller version but only in Ayala Center. It would be nice to have bigger signages.
http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/BangkokholidayAugust28toSept1168.jpg



where ??? all i saw in ayala center is the carpark finder. there is no overhead signage like the one above. shanghai has this also. we are sooo behind....

^^ we are not as behind as Ho chi minh city. The place doesnt even have any overhead signs! Or even an Expressway!

were moving forward naman kahit papano ehh kaya konting tiis lang

where ??? all i saw in ayala center is the carpark finder. there is no overhead signage like the one above. shanghai has this also. we are sooo behind....

I don't know but you have the fascination of BKK. For me, I still like our Makati, Greenbelt, BGC, Eastwood, Ayala Alabang, Madrigal. Very organized and no overhead wires. I just noticed that some portions of QC and EDSA have no overhead wires. :)

BKK has no undeground pedestrian underpasses. Their footbridge in Siam pales in comparison vs. the footbridge from Makati Medical Center to Greenbelt with escalators (2.5 Kms. long).

I don't know but you have the fascination of BKK. For me, I still like our Makati, Greenbelt, BGC, Eastwood, Ayala Alabang, Madrigal. Very organized and no overhead wires. I just noticed that some portions of QC and EDSA have no overhead wires. :)

BKK has no undeground pedestrian underpasses. Their footbridge in Siam pales in comparison vs. the footbridge from Makati Medical Center to Greenbelt with escalators (2.5 Kms. long).

Agree...I also like our CBD's compare to BKK... Just so happen na madami lang silang tourist compare sa atin...

Agree...I also like our CBD's compare to BKK... Just so happen na madami lang silang tourist compare sa atin...

yes, and I appreciate more our CBDs now.

talaga walang underpass sa BKK until now?

ramdam ang kaunlaran saka maganda talaga ang CBDs natin kaysa sa BKK nauna naman tau umunlad dun kahit papano

talaga walang underpass sa BKK until now?

ramdam ang kaunlaran saka maganda talaga ang CBDs natin kaysa sa BKK nauna naman tau umunlad dun kahit papano

in my 6th visit, walang underpass for pedestrian only. Meron sila subway MRT. Naunahan talaga tayo sa pag unlad during the 80's and 90's. The 80's eh negative growth tayo during the last years of Marcos dictatorships.

^^Even they lighted up the billboards it's still not enough, they must used the acrylic type billboards with fluorescent light inside or something that brightened that panelings instead of hidden the lights on sides. Secondly the light on ceiling still not enough to make the place bright enough at night.I am quite surprised why many people were debating about the brightness of Makati underpass. The problem is not with the lights of the underpass. It is bright, I can assure you that since I worked around Makati for almost a year. The problem is that the picture itself is dark. Isn't it obvious?!?!

talaga walang underpass sa BKK until now?

ramdam ang kaunlaran saka maganda talaga ang CBDs natin kaysa sa BKK nauna naman tau umunlad dun kahit papano

Siguro six more years pa para kay BF as MMDA chairman sure ako mas gwapo na ang Metro Manila.:cheers:

Siguro six more years pa para kay BF as MMDA chairman sure ako mas gwapo na ang Metro Manila.:cheers:

more budget too...
napanood ko yung bagong programa daw ng MMDA ung "Trip Report" ata un, maganda yun ah...:okay:

:cheers:

I am quite surprised why many people were debating about the brightness of Makati underpass. The problem is not with the lights of the underpass. It is bright, I can assure you that since I worked around Makati for almost a year. The problem is that the picture itself is dark. Isn't it obvious?!?!


I passed by few times the underpass in Paseo and Ayala and it was well lighted. It was well ventilated and you feel really safe. Parang nasa Singapore ang vibes with less ads. Filipinos like to complain and complain without basis. :)

Those who complain failed to appreciate the benefits and goodness i.e. pedestrian underpasses. Even Jakarta's CBD does not have pedestrian underpasses. KL has very few. We should be grateful.

to add: that signage in Bangkok is written in Thai. :)

That sign in bangkok isn't for tell direction.

It was made to help in traffic jam. by color it's tell you that "what part of the road are crowded at that time" (it's real time)

red - very bad (crowded)
yellow - bad
green - good

When The driver see those sign , by color they can make decision what direction they should take.

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/BangkokholidayAugust28toSept1168.jpg


also, you can use gps. (English and Thai language)

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8395/aaaccy.jpg

^^ahhh... Thanks for the clarification.

Intelligent Traffic Sign in Bangkok refers to the Advanced Traveler Information System (ATIS) that provides motorists real-time traffic information.

There are now 40 of this signs all over Bangkok, not just CBD.
Traffic information can also be viewed on the website and link to your mobile/GPRS.

http://www.forth-its.com/position/map.gif


And for the language, just only one language makes that sign too packed already.
And why have to mention about being tourist hub, which sound a bit ironic?
This system is created to serve our own people. That's why it's just in Thai.
How many tourists or expats you think actually drive themselves in Bangkok?
(Atleast the standard traffic signs have English)

I notice the word tourists appear many times when you guys are discussing Bangkok.
I just want to say that Bangkok is a city of Thai people. We didn't build this city just to satisfy the tourists.
Bangkok has always been like this, less English-friendly than other major cities in SEA, but those tourists still find Bangkok fascinating.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/adverg/d1893iq.jpg
And even like this, painted those old existing building with good pastel color combination so it will compliment to our tropical climate rather than those hot contrasted colors. We can use grey, light blue, brick colors, some yellow, maroon and black and even wallnut colors is appropriate.



.....parang sa Larchmont....di ho ba?

that is the good news.....bf for president



He will be a good President.
^^

this is the walkway in Makati that I like most.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/my_soul_insurance2004/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/oktober/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/2557323373_e8d420232f.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lifebegins/
sana damihan sa Metro Manila

in bkk has a skywalk which similar to underpass perdestrian way

BKK has no undeground pedestrian underpasses.

As far as I know, there are few pedestrain underpasses in BKK.

The one I know well is near Chulalongkorn University (around 1 km from MBK), under Phayathai road.

I'm not sure how old it is but surely more than 20 years, and it's still in use now.
It's not as spacious as the one in Makati you showed but still well ventilated and lighted.

Another one is in Thonburi which was recently built. It's to cross the road to the center of big roundabout similar to Manila's monumento.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk110/mr_taweesak/I%20Love%20Bangkok/King%20Taksin/King-Taksin-1.jpg

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk110/mr_taweesak/I%20Love%20Bangkok/King%20Taksin/King-Taksin-2.jpg

Other than these are the underpasses linked to those 18 MRT stations which you can use to cross the street as well.


The problem about pedestrian underpasses in Bangkok are:
- Construction cost is much higher than footbridge.
- It's harder to construct. It's almost impossible not to obstruct the traffic.
- It costs more to maintain. All-time ventilation and lighting are needed.
- Flooding is still a problem in Bangkok from time to time. If it has to have flood protection system, the entrance must be atleast 1 metre above ground like the MRT entrance, and there must be stand-by pumping system. Too complicate for just a pedestrian underpass, IMO.
- People 'feel safer' walking on the footbridge espcially at night no matter how bright the underpass is. Guards and cctv might help but still...

And for the language, just only one language makes that sign too packed already. And why have to mention about being tourist hub, which sound a bit ironic? This system is created to serve our own people. That's why it's just in Thai. How many tourists or expats you think actually drive themselves in Bangkok? (Atleast the standard traffic signs have English)

I notice the word tourists appear many times when you guys are discussing Bangkok. I just want to say that Bangkok is a city of Thai people. We didn't build this city just to satisfy the tourists. Bangkok has always been like this, less English-friendly than other major cities in SEA, but those tourists still find Bangkok fascinating.First of all, I have removed my comment already, so I don't think your reply would be appropriate still. In fact, I have even thanked chengo because s/he clarified it to me. I have deleted my comment and have put "wrong assumption" in my post which means I thought that was a simple signage and not a "smart-ass" device for traffic jams. Because traffic signs should be universal, and I thought english should be used along with local language because it is a universal language after all. My point about the connection of english with the tourists is that it would be helpful for them to get around the city because there are signs that they could understand esp that we know that Bangkok is a tourist hub. I guess you misinterpreted my statement.

Also, remember, we are in the Philippines, so English is of utmost importance to us since it is one of the only two languages (that is Filipino) that unites the 180 ethno-liguitic types in the country.

As for the tourists, I am not questioning the ability of Bangkok to attract tourists, so I don't think it is worth mentioning at all. Also, I have explained my side above with regards to the use of english in standard traffic signs. Agan, I have made a wrong assumption and I'm sorry. I hope this would not cause any CvC again.

And to the forumers here, WE ARE VEERING AWAY FROM THE TOPIC COMPLETELY. Iwasang ikumpara ang MM sa ibang metropolis kasi maraming nagagalit at hindi naman talaga yun ang topic, puwede ba yun? Kung ayaw niyo sa Metro Manila at ng mga patakaran dito, kausapin niyo ang MMDA at wag kayo dito magkalat dahil yan ang pinagsisimulan ng CvC (city vs city). Kung gusto niyong ipagyabang ang ibang siyudad, dun kayo pumunta sa thread nila, hindi dito. Simple lang naman yun at malinaw diba? Kung gusto niyong ipagduldulan na nahuhuli na tayo sa Asya, OO nahuhuli na tayo sobrang nahuhuli na tayo at lugmok na tayo sa kahirapan. SO I hope we should stop shooting ourselves on the foot by stating the obvious and move on with our lives.

^^ well said your highness!

ang dami ng posts dito so forum, maslalo na sa mrt/railway thread, that goes like this "SANA GANITO, SANA GAYAHIN NATIN ITO."

^^ Sinabi nang wag galitin si XP eh :D

Well said Madam.

Tulungan na lang natin si chairman BF sa pagsasaayos ng Metro Manila.:cheers:

Bawat city naman eh may sariling ganda at character, pero wag naman natin maliitin ang sariling atin.:)

Dapat pala may sariling thread yung mga reklamador at gaya-gaya.:lol:

oo nga tama kaya ako kahit ganito ang reality sa paligid natin i keep positive na magbabago pa din ang bayan natin...naks patriotic

I don't know but you have the fascination of BKK. For me, I still like our Makati, Greenbelt, BGC, Eastwood, Ayala Alabang, Madrigal. Very organized and no overhead wires. I just noticed that some portions of QC and EDSA have no overhead wires. :)

BKK has no undeground pedestrian underpasses. Their footbridge in Siam pales in comparison vs. the footbridge from Makati Medical Center to Greenbelt with escalators (2.5 Kms. long).

I agree with you. All of our CBDs are carefully planned by private corporations giving them a first world look. Here in our country the physical boundaries between the areas of the haves and the have nots are very apparent.

Dahil kay BF unti-unting nagbabago ang Metro Manila. . .kaya dapat lang na i-clap clap natin siya.:lol:

Dahil kay BF unti-unting nagbabago ang Metro Manila. . .kaya dapat lang na i-clap clap natin siya.:lol:

Iboto mo sya, apter ng klap klap:lol:

I agree with you. All of our CBDs are carefully planned by private corporations giving them a first world look. Here in our country the physical boundaries between the areas of the haves and the have nots are very apparent.

well now we have a problem if this will be the case forever. dont u think?

its true and i agree with ronnie that our cbds look great and more organized. but my only intention is for the development to be spread all over not just in the cbds. that is why i use our close neighbor's capital city as my example because development there is more scattered and more people enjoy better living standards. thats all :)

and i think my question hasnt been asnwered yet about the electronic overhead signage in makati because i really would like to know.

Iwasang ikumpara ang MM sa ibang metropolis kasi maraming nagagalit at hindi naman talaga yun ang topic, puwede ba yun? Kung ayaw niyo sa Metro Manila at ng mga patakaran dito, kausapin niyo ang MMDA at wag kayo dito magkalat dahil yan ang pinagsisimulan ng CvC (city vs city). Kung gusto niyong ipagyabang ang ibang siyudad, dun kayo pumunta sa thread nila, hindi dito. Simple lang naman yun at malinaw diba? Kung gusto niyong ipagduldulan na nahuhuli na tayo sa Asya, OO nahuhuli na tayo sobrang nahuhuli na tayo at lugmok na tayo sa kahirapan. SO I hope we should stop shooting ourselves on the foot by stating the obvious and move on with our lives.

well now we have a problem if this will be the case forever. dont u think?

its true and i agree with ronnie that our cbds look great and more organized. but my only intention is for the development to be spread all over not just in the cbds. that is why i use our close neighbor's capital city as my example because development there is more scattered and more people enjoy better living standards. thats all :)

and i think my question hasnt been asnwered yet about the electronic overhead signage in makati because i really would like to know.

Oh ayan na naman, akala ko ba michael677 no need to compare na...pero sorry talaga, Nakita ko rin na di kagandahan ang ibang lugar niya doon. Wag kang dumaan sa Skyway nila, doon ka sa ground level, parang Manila lang. Di hamak unbeatable ang Roxas Boulevard, underground wires pa...I think MMDA is in the right direction. Kahit Chinatown nila, walang malapit na MRT unlike sa atin, Carriedo or D. Jose. :)

On the Makati signage, there was a misinterpretation in BKK. It's in Thai, so I thought it's just like the one in Makati.

As I mentioned it before and my last about BKK, it's a nice city and fun but with the same problems sa atin like sa taxi's refusal of passengers in mall queue yan ha. I experienced pa nga na tinanong ako ng driver kung saan dadaan, he knew na foreigner ako, of course I can't speak Thai, so I made directional sign thru sign language using my hand...buti na lang medyo familiar ako sa lugar, what if for a first time tourist? sounds familiar scene here in Manila? hehehe

it is true to all cities kahit first world meron din mga ogag na mga taxi drivers.....don't be fooled na sa turd wurld lang yan....

Another one is in Thonburi which was recently built. It's to cross the road to the center of big roundabout similar to Manila's monumento.


That's good. The runabout in Metro Manila with underground pedestrian tunnel is Memorial Circle, not Monumento (if you're referring to LRT Monumento of a Filipino hero).

Here are some photos of the pedestrian tunnel in Memorial Circle, newly built:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2261/2485361521_ffdb2f497b_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/junsjazz/

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2277/2387204860_a0b75b46ab_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thehousekeeper/

The above underpasses are beneath this monument.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3182/2947159054_090c000ba0.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/karlo_torres/

^^ :lol:

You guys turned the MMDA thread into a Manila vs Thailand thread :lol:

Should send that list to the MMDA and the DPWH -NCR

It's better than turning it into a "BF for president" thread...LOL :)

Those underpass pictures are just a far cry from the old underpass i've seen in Manila before, especially in Lawton underpass and I think in España underpass. these ones ronnie posted looks very clean , it's like a hallway of a mall. kind of..

Those underpass pictures are just a far cry from the old underpass i've seen in Manila before, especially in Lawton underpass and I think in España underpass. these ones ronnie posted looks very clean , it's like a hallway of a mall. kind of..

and I've passed there once, true enough, cool. thanks to Mayor Belmonte.

This thread is about Metro Gwapo - I suppose not limited to Bayani's projects. :lol:

Those underpass pictures are just a far cry from the old underpass i've seen in Manila before, especially in Lawton underpass and I think in España underpass. these ones ronnie posted looks very clean , it's like a hallway of a mall. kind of..

sadly, people are not using the Lawton underpass anymore... daming tumatawid sa kalye.

^^Sana nga i-renovate ng city government ng Manila ang kanilang mga pedestrian underpass/overpass medyo napagiwanan na ng panahon at higt sa lahat nakakatakot gamitin.

^^Sana nga i-renovate ng city government ng Manila ang kanilang mga pedestrian underpass/overpass medyo napagiwanan na ng panahon at higt sa lahat nakakatakot gamitin.

possible yan pag di na si Lim ang Mayor ng Manila...sayang ung Pandacan vision ni Atienza, pinatay lang ni Lim. :ohno:

Buhayin Ulit ang Maynila!

hola a todos, hi everyonne!!, is it possible to include more pictures of the manila orbital road with pictures of the transit/traffic signals?

Bayani overtaken by Gibo. Whereto for Bayani?

Ok din siguro kung si Mayor Belmonte ang susunod na MMDA chairman.:cheers:

sadly, people are not using the Lawton underpass anymore... daming tumatawid sa kalye.

any specific reason why? Maybe unsafe? maybe an elevated walkway would work there in that area too since I'm sure the location of that underpass is not really convinient to pedestrians having built during the Marcos era I believe.

^^ They say a lot of hold-ups and robberies takes place at the Lawton overpass, especially at night. It happened once to my stepcousin.

This one is near Lawton. I passed this bridge last night when I went to Binondo. It is indeed very bright.
Got this photo from flickr. True enough.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3120/3106769159_0ff31aef55.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32732161@N04/

^^Ang OA ng mga lights. Di bagay sa neo-classical look ng Post-Office.

^^ but it serves its purpose...well lit ang area. :) maybe the contrast since a lot of Chinese Filipinos reside in the area and the mayor is one, too.

the famous mural in Lawton.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3578/3384623753_5c5890425b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lulotruiz/

This one is near Lawton. I passed this bridge last night when I went to Binondo. It is indeed very bright.
Got this photo from flickr. True enough.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3120/3106769159_0ff31aef55.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32732161@N04/

Is that like an overpass/flyover span? I see pedestrians walking along it. I dont think i've seen this part of lawton. I think the only elevated part I have seen before tehre was the LRT and the one near metropolitan theater. I think, not sure if it's really the old metropolitan theater.

^^ it's a bridge near lawton with pedestrian sidewalk.

any specific reason why? Maybe unsafe? maybe an elevated walkway would work there in that area too since I'm sure the location of that underpass is not really convinient to pedestrians having built during the Marcos era I believe.

blame it to "katamaran" of Filipinos. nakakapagod nga naman bumaba maglakad tapos umakyat ulit. mas pipiliin pa nila makipag-patintero sa mga sasakayan than to exert some effort. :bash:

Rockwell span, Mindanao underpass, Tandang Sora flyover done by year-end

By Joel E. Zurbano

A bridge across Pasig River linking the cities of Makati and Mandaluyong at Rockwell Center, an underpass and flyover on the C-5 Road extension in Quezon City will be finished this December, a key official said.

Engineer Edilberto Tayao, director of Public Works Department for Metro Manila, said the timetable was on target for the P204-million Pantaleon-Estrella Bridge, the P400-million underpass on Mindanao Avenue along with the P520-million Tandang Sora-Luzon Avenue flyover.

“The bridge will be parallel to the Guadalupe Bridge,” he said, tracing the route connecting Rockwell to Barangka at the former site of Noah’s Ark Sugar Refinery.

As planned, the three-span truss bridge with its approaches would be almost a kilometer long when completed.

Tayao said the projects would give motorists and other road-users more options in avoiding gridlock-prone sections of the metropolis.

According to him, the Ciriaco Construction Corp. has started the 700-meter long Mindanao underpass joining C-5’s Segment 8.1, a 2.7-kilometer stretch to the North Luzon Expressway in Valenzuela City.

“The purpose of this underpass is for motorists not to disturb the flow of traffic at the intersection of Mindanao Avenue and Quirino Highway,” said Tayao, noting that the choice of infrastructure is based on given specifications.

“The decision depends on the terrain where the project is applicable. Our evaluation showed that the underpass was economical. The underpass has a 500-meter length but if you go for a flyover it would be 700 lineal meters because of the terrain.”

Undersecretary Romeo Momo, in charge of Northern Luzon operations, said the Tandang Sora-Luzon flyover was 500 lineal meters including approaches with four lanes at two lanes per direction. It would have access to Commonwealth Avenue and C-5 and vice versa, allowing motorists to avoid the U-turn slots.

Both underpass and overpass form a key section of the C-5 extension linking the South and North Luzon tollways.

There should also be a new bridge between EDSA-Guadalupe and C5-Bagong Ilog/Kalayaan. The bridge should be at the T-road near Makati Park and Garden and will connect to Kapitolyo. This way, people from the north have another way to go in and out BGC without going through EDSA or C5.

The reason why there's too much traffic in EDSA and C5 is because we don't have enough bridges crossing the Pasig River between or near these roads. The Rockwell bridge should be a big help. You'll be able to go to Rockwell via Libertad St.-Barangka Road (very light traffic) or Boni Ave.-Barangka Road (tends to congest). Takes a lot of stress away from EDSA-Boni, EDSA-Guadalupe and J.P. Rizal-Guadalupe areas.

any specific reason why? Maybe unsafe? maybe an elevated walkway would work there in that area too since I'm sure the location of that underpass is not really convinient to pedestrians having built during the Marcos era I believe.Because it is dark and dingy. And it's a long walk. and it's not made during Marcos era, it was made even before him. It was constructed during the time of Arsenio Lacson during the late 50's.

^^ They say a lot of hold-ups and robberies takes place at the Lawton overpass, especially at night. It happened once to my stepcousin.It is actually true to the whole of Manila. Actually, the situation is obvious. Manila at night is really dark and still crowded, but you would never feel the presence of the police.

This one is near Lawton. I passed this bridge last night when I went to Binondo. It is indeed very bright.
Got this photo from flickr. True enough.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3120/3106769159_0ff31aef55.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32732161@N04/Thats' McArthur Bridge. That one is bright because, basically, it is a bridge. Many vehicles use it daily and many people would see it and think there's progress going on in there. But it was financed by the Fil-Chi community in Binondo, not by the local government of Manila. And it looks really tacky. Gagastos na lang hindi pa ginandahan.

Is that like an overpass/flyover span? I see pedestrians walking along it. I dont think i've seen this part of lawton. I think the only elevated part I have seen before tehre was the LRT and the one near metropolitan theater. I think, not sure if it's really the old metropolitan theater.That's the McArthur Bridge. Lawton is quite big. The bridge you were talking about is Quezon Bridge. Quezon bridge is found on the east of the Post Office, while McArthur is on the west.

blame it to "katamaran" of Filipinos. nakakapagod nga naman bumaba maglakad tapos umakyat ulit. mas pipiliin pa nila makipag-patintero sa mga sasakayan than to exert some effort. :bash:That's true in daylight. Look at Makati, people there would need to walk several meters more just to cross the street. And they also have to walk at great lengths just to ride a bus. But they follow the law. Manila is just lax on its rules. You won't find cops around the city. And if ever you do, they're just standing there all day.

Because it is dark and dingy. And it's a long walk. and it's not made during Marcos era, it was made even before him. It was constructed during the time of Arsenio Lacson during the late 50's.

Ang tagal na pala, kailangan na talaga ng major rehabilitation ng mga underpass/overpass sa Manila. Kailangan nilang gawing more pedestrian friendly ang Manila kasi ang daming estudyante dito.

sa mga taga mkn, merun bng mga pink fences, overpasses, urinals dyan?

^^meron ding mga urinals pero hindi gaano nagagamit

Pink fences and footbridges, I think, Marikina has it only along Marcos Highway. Pedestrian lanes are highly utilized.

I don't agree with Mayor Lim on this move. :ohno:

Lim bans MMDA enforcers in Manila
(The Philippine Star) Updated September 20, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Manila Mayor Alfredo Lim told traffic aides of the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority (MMDA) yesterday not to issue traffic citation tickets in the city.

In a statement, city legal chief Renato de la Cruz said Lim has ordered that fines be set at a uniform rate of P300 for motorists caught violating traffic rules in Manila.

Under the local government code, mayors exercise police powers, including traffic regulation, in their respective cities or towns. The city government has designated the Manila Traffic and Parking Bureau (MTPB) headed by Maria Norisa Villanueva as the official traffic force.

But Lim repeatedly voiced his desire to return the traffic function to the Manila Traffic Police division, De la Cruz stated.

De la Cruz said the MMDA traffic aides hand out traffic citation tickets (TCTs) and charge violators at least P500, while the city government charges only P300.

Lim said the high fines charged by MMDA “would only lead to graft and corruption.” De la Cruz said MMDA enforcers handing out tickets would decrease the revenues due to the city government from traffic fines.

“They can arrest but they can not issue TCTs. If they want they can use our ordinance violation receipts,” De la Cruz stressed. – Sandy Araneta

I don't agree with Mayor Lim on this move. :ohno:

Lim bans MMDA enforcers in Manila
(The Philippine Star) Updated September 20, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Manila Mayor Alfredo Lim told traffic aides of the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority (MMDA) yesterday not to issue traffic citation tickets in the city.

In a statement, city legal chief Renato de la Cruz said Lim has ordered that fines be set at a uniform rate of P300 for motorists caught violating traffic rules in Manila.

Under the local government code, mayors exercise police powers, including traffic regulation, in their respective cities or towns. The city government has designated the Manila Traffic and Parking Bureau (MTPB) headed by Maria Norisa Villanueva as the official traffic force.

But Lim repeatedly voiced his desire to return the traffic function to the Manila Traffic Police division, De la Cruz stated.

De la Cruz said the MMDA traffic aides hand out traffic citation tickets (TCTs) and charge violators at least P500, while the city government charges only P300.

Lim said the high fines charged by MMDA “would only lead to graft and corruption.” De la Cruz said MMDA enforcers handing out tickets would decrease the revenues due to the city government from traffic fines.

“They can arrest but they can not issue TCTs. If they want they can use our ordinance violation receipts,” De la Cruz stressed. – Sandy Araneta

Grabe nabawasan ata ang kita ng mga buwaya sa cityhall kaya pinagbawal ang mga mmda. Susme yung mga MMDA nag didirect traffic ang mga traffic enforcers ng manila walang ginawa kungdi naka ambush position parati ang manghulidap. Mga buwaya talaga. Isa pa si LIM, nung kampanya nya sabi nya pag sya naging mayor bababa ang multa sa traffic violation, aalisin ang mga abusadong enforcers, naku po nung naging mayor di na binaba dumami pa ang mga enforcers na puros corrupt at walang alam sa batas trapiko. Ang resulta ang pangit pangit at ang dumi dumi ng manila ngayon. Sobrang baboy kakawalang respeto

I don't agree with Mayor Lim on this move. :ohno:

Lim bans MMDA enforcers in Manila
(The Philippine Star) Updated September 20, 2009 12:00 AM

De la Cruz said the MMDA traffic aides hand out traffic citation tickets (TCTs) and charge violators at least P500, while the city government charges only P300.

Lim said the high fines charged by MMDA “would only lead to graft and corruption.” De la Cruz said MMDA enforcers handing out tickets would decrease the revenues due to the city government from traffic fines.

“They can arrest but they can not issue TCTs. If they want they can use our ordinance violation receipts,” De la Cruz stressed. – Sandy AranetaAs usual, stupid remarks. First, fines are supposed to be high because in theory, you have to punish the person for the crime he committed, not to reward him with lower fines. Duh!

Second, how there be corruption when MMDA only issues tickets, with the violator still paying in MMDA office or in a bank? Diba mas malaki ang chance kung pulis mismo mangungulekta ng fines? Baka wala nang makuhang tong sa Manila. Kawawa naman buwayang pulis dun, liliit ang tiyan nila.

Third, the MMDA cannot arrest violators since they only have administrative powers. They don't have police powers. That's why they only issue tickets as fines.

Grabe nabawasan ata ang kita ng mga buwaya sa cityhall kaya pinagbawal ang mga mmda. Susme yung mga MMDA nag didirect traffic ang mga traffic enforcers ng manila walang ginawa kungdi naka ambush position parati ang manghulidap. Mga buwaya talaga. Isa pa si LIM, nung kampanya nya sabi nya pag sya naging mayor bababa ang multa sa traffic violation, aalisin ang mga abusadong enforcers, naku po nung naging mayor di na binaba dumami pa ang mga enforcers na puros corrupt at walang alam sa batas trapiko. Ang resulta ang pangit pangit at ang dumi dumi ng manila ngayon. Sobrang baboy kakawalang respetoTotoo yan, ang pakiramdam ko gusto lang ng city hall na mangotong, knowing its long history ng pangongotong. Pero dapat talaga taasan ang fine. Kaya nga siya fine eh.

^^ Lolo Lim talaga... tumatandang paurong... :ohno:

anyway, I did read some few pages of the scanned book titled "The Will To Change: Marikina and Its Innovations".. Its really worth to read, lalo na yung ano ang silbi ng kulay pink sa Marikina... :cheers:

thus I like this lines mentioned in the book..
"The City began the improvement; the rest is up to you.."
"hingi tayo nang hingi ng pagbabago, pag may nagbago naman, nagagalit tayo.." <- which is totally true..

I don't agree with Mayor Lim on this move. :ohno:

Lim bans MMDA enforcers in Manila
(The Philippine Star) Updated September 20, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Manila Mayor Alfredo Lim told traffic aides of the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority (MMDA) yesterday not to issue traffic citation tickets in the city.

In a statement, city legal chief Renato de la Cruz said Lim has ordered that fines be set at a uniform rate of P300 for motorists caught violating traffic rules in Manila.

Under the local government code, mayors exercise police powers, including traffic regulation, in their respective cities or towns. The city government has designated the Manila Traffic and Parking Bureau (MTPB) headed by Maria Norisa Villanueva as the official traffic force.

But Lim repeatedly voiced his desire to return the traffic function to the Manila Traffic Police division, De la Cruz stated.

De la Cruz said the MMDA traffic aides hand out traffic citation tickets (TCTs) and charge violators at least P500, while the city government charges only P300.

Lim said the high fines charged by MMDA “would only lead to graft and corruption.” De la Cruz said MMDA enforcers handing out tickets would decrease the revenues due to the city government from traffic fines.

“They can arrest but they can not issue TCTs. If they want they can use our ordinance violation receipts,” De la Cruz stressed. – Sandy Araneta

Lim is slowly killing Manila...ang layo ng performance nya nung panahon ni Atienza...Atienza made Manila relevant again...sana bumalik na si Atienza, and umalis na ang mga backward thinkers in government like itong si Alfredo Lim.

imagine, itong si Lim, tinipid ang kita from traffic violators...while Atienza during his days was generating income for the city, left and right with his many brilliant ideas and projects....sigh.

May balita na ba kung tatakbo ulit si Tito Lito sa Maynila bilang Mayor? Well kung tatakbo siya, oras na lang hinihintay ni Mayor Lim sa cityhall, mabubuhay na ulit ang maynila.

can't agree more with the people here. parang walang mayor ang maynila. panay pasikat and populist views ang ginagawa. i go to manila at least 3 times a week. very dirty, unruly PUJs (more unruly than usual), squatters and taong grasa walking around, etc etc.

i also got victimized by those manila traffic aides. i'm not even sure what my offense was but im sure that whatever i did, those damn jeepneys were doing it as well. i pointed it out to the officer and he told that medyo iba ang patakaran ng jeepneys. WTH??? told him to issue me a ticket coz he won't get anything from me and i will contest it sa court and also told him to do the same to those jeepneys.... he gave up on me eventually...

...For all these efforts of the old mayor, you'll notice that he's so much insecure with the way MMDA manages traffic and order in his city... Hopefully Mayor Lito runs again come 2010. After all, Lim cannot beat him in the first place. He was once defeated in 2001 elections that's why he chose to run in the senate instead.:cheers:

wala na bang iba na pwde sa manila? someone young and new... we need a BF in manila (and maybe in Pasay and paranaque na rin hihihi)

wala na bang iba na pwde sa manila? someone young and new... we need a BF in manila (and maybe in Pasay and paranaque na rin hihihi)

Malala talaga petty corruption jan sa Manila at Pasay, parang tingin ng mga enforcer jan negosyo yung mga driver. :bash:

Somebody should sponsor a move to make amendments to the Local Government Code, matagal nang raket ng mga Mayor jan sa Manila yung pinagkakakitaan yung mga traffic violations. Hindi naman napupunta sa treasury yung kinkita nila jan e napupunta sa mga Konsehal at saka sa Mayor.

It's basically the money they are fighting about, "They can arrest but not issue TCTs".

And whatever happened to Mayor Lim's son who was arrested for drug trafficking? Hindi ba dapat yung sariling gate ni Lim yung pintahan niya ng "Pusher ang nakatira dito"? Munisipyo sponsored vandalism. :ohno:

May balita na ba kung tatakbo ulit si Tito Lito sa Maynila bilang Mayor? Well kung tatakbo siya, oras na lang hinihintay ni Mayor Lim sa cityhall, mabubuhay na ulit ang maynila.

100% na tatakbo ulit si Lito Atienza. At si Sonny Razon meh balak din.

So its going to be a 3 way fight for the office of the mayor in Manila.

Teka OT pala ko yikes...

Wala lang: A green and gwapo metro manila
By JAIME C. LAYA
September 20, 2009, 2:59pm
http://www.mb.com.ph/node/221467/wala-lang-a-green-and-gwapo-metro-manila

Green is “in.” Royal Palms, shrubbery and saplings are inside, above and around eco-condominiums, eco-malls, eco-offices. Hopeful-looking ficus trees are behind pink and blue cages along EDSA, Quirino and other streets, part of Chairman Bayani Fernando’s Metro-GWAPO program.

Trees reduce pollution, camouflage shanties, screen architectural horrors. They make cities beautiful—think Champs Elysees, Central Park in Manhattan, London’s Royal Parks. With a tree planting program and no-nonsense tree protection laws, Singapore is practically a forest.

Traces remain of when Metro Manila was a bosky bower—when giant rubber trees shaded Roxas Boulevard; sampaloc trees lined J.P. Laurel and narra was everywhere—España, Harrison, Lacson, Puyat. Acacias were so leafy their branches met overhead on United Nations and C.M. Recto. In Quezon City, Broadway and Gilmore were lined end-to-end with fruiting mango trees and Quezon Avenue with molave.

Arbor Day used to mean tree-planting. As a U.P. freshman, I helped plant acacias that now shade University Avenue and classmates planted the caballero and African tulip trees that splash red come summertime.

Unfortunately, trees are in peril the moment the planters pack up—chopped down when streets are widened, cemented to their bases when sidewalks are built, amputated when branches approach utility lines. We have lots of Y-shaped trees. They are choked when public works people raise streets and sidewalks to solve flooding. People cook and burn trash in their shade. They never taste fertilizer or feel pruning shears. No wonder few large trees remain on our streets and shrunken survivors cry for help.

Beautification is actually the nemesis of Metro Manila trees. When not cemented to their trunks like electric posts, trees are surrounded by knee-high concrete boxes (usually piled high with debris). As if the spreading narra trees were not enough, the center island of Buendia/Puyat is even as you read this, being improved with large and heavy cement platforms adorned with river stones and monster pots. (The bereft rivers must look terrible, but that’s another story.)

When City Hall decided to make Roxas Boulevard a mile-long sidewalk café, trees were axed for access, parking and the tennis ball street lights that someone considered beautiful. Coconut trees were trucked in and concrete poured between street and sea wall. The cafés have gone, but strangled by all the improvements, the surviving rubber trees look defeated and coconut trees look sick.

In Quezon City, Morato Avenue used to be lined with majestic sampaloc trees. Some years back, the authorities decided that the shady avenue was perfect for sidewalk restaurant tables. All available space in between trees was cemented and red tiles laid atop. With all the rough treatment, the 80-year old trees are dying one by one.

Congratulations and good wishes to Chairman Fernando and Metro-GWAPO on their tree planting. May they also spearhead the rescue and care of already grown trees—simple things like freeing roots; proper pruning, shaping, feeding, and pest control; convincing sidewalk and street designers that trees are beautiful enough—no need to add pots or pebbles.

^^ Nothing man-made can equal the beauty of trees (and nature in general). MM will look way better with just more trees than designed concrete sidewalks. We are spending too much for the wrong type of city beautification.

its nice to read that someone at least acknowledges the headway that bf made in planting those trees....along edsa and on both sides those balete trees....lampas tao na ang mga itinanim na puno...halos lahat nabuhay...yan ang pinagiisipan hindi lang basta makapagtanim....when you are travelling along edsa its heartening to see na puno na naman ng puno ang edsa...thousands of trees hindi lang hundreds...by this act alone mmda should be congratulated...

^^meron ding mga urinals pero hindi gaano nagagamit

Pink fences and footbridges, I think, Marikina has it only along Marcos Highway. Pedestrian lanes are highly utilized.

Im not implying anything but people of marikina are a different breed. They are more respectful, disciplined, honest compare with the rest of metro manila. The worst i think are the manilenos, people of pasay, malabon, parts of quezon city.

To clarify things, im not a resident of marikina. I just admire the place and the people parang hindi sya part ng metro manila. Maaliwalas ang pligid kasi dun. At sobrang linis kahit na yung wet market nila sobrang linis parang nasa sm supermarket ka naglalakad.

^^ I'm not from Marikina, too but I can attest that their wet market does not have foul smell, it's clean. You feel safe in Marikina.... even the side streets, you won't find any trash. The houses there might be old like in J P Rizal, Concepcion, Barangka etc., but they are in order, neat, walang kalat sa tapat ng mga bahay.

People there cross the streets in pedestrian lanes...at nagbibigayan talaga. :)

its nice to read that someone at least acknowledges the headway that bf made in planting those trees....along edsa and on both sides those balete trees....lampas tao na ang mga itinanim na puno...halos lahat nabuhay...yan ang pinagiisipan hindi lang basta makapagtanim....when you are travelling along edsa its heartening to see na puno na naman ng puno ang edsa...thousands of trees hindi lang hundreds...by this act alone mmda should be congratulated...

This is so true...my Indonesian tourist friends positively commented the trees along EDSA. They said "it's good Manila is going green". :cheers:

Kung nagtanim lang ng mga puno sa panahon ni Binay as MMDA Chairman, ang ganda na sana ng EDSA ngayon.

^^ takot sa lamang lupa si Binay... i doubt.. :lol: :nuts:

^^ I'm not from Marikina, too but I can attest that their wet market does not have foul smell, it's clean. You feel safe in Marikina.... even the side streets, you won't find any trash. The houses there might be old like in J P Rizal, Concepcion, Barangka etc., but they are in order, neat, walang kalat sa tapat ng mga bahay.

People there cross the streets in pedestrian lanes...at nagbibigayan talaga. :)

I do also appreciate the way MMDA did the landscaping along center island of Marcos Highway near SM Marikina. See-thru fences are full of cadena de amor, with small flowering shrubs and trees. Simple and in order.

I'm happy to read the above comments. from time to time, its a relief to read such appreciative remarks on the government's efforts to improve the quality of city living. I just hope that we can have more BFs in the government, those who have the vision and the political will to get great things done.

by the way, I am from Marikina.:)

by the way, I am from Marikina.:)

Swerte naman! Habang kami, nag-susuffer from POOR goverment officials! Pwede bang lumipat dyan? :nuts: :lol:

^^ I'm not from Marikina, too but I can attest that their wet market does not have foul smell, it's clean. You feel safe in Marikina.... even the side streets, you won't find any trash. The houses there might be old like in J P Rizal, Concepcion, Barangka etc., but they are in order, neat, walang kalat sa tapat ng mga bahay.

People there cross the streets in pedestrian lanes...at nagbibigayan talaga. :)

That's why some call it "Dry Market".....a very photographable city! Sana, balik Mayor ulit si BF ng shoe capital., or can Manila borrow him for 3 terms?

well no doubt that marikina has made headway on development sayang lang at hindi ang manila....ang manila palubog.....

Swerte naman! Habang kami, nag-susuffer from POOR goverment officials! Pwede bang lumipat dyan? :nuts: :lol:

why not?

...just be ready to wake up early for the pick-up (after segregating it) of your garbage.:lol:

talian ng pink ang sa basurang hindi nabubulok at green naman sa nabubulok.:)

why not?

...just be ready to wake up early for the pick-up (after segregating it) of your garbage.:lol:

talian ng pink ang sa basurang hindi nabubulok at green naman sa nabubulok.:)

aw, bawala ang tamad sa Marikina:D

tumatanggap ba ng immigrant ang marikina lalo na kung galing sa itchy city?:D j/k

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kahit hindi mayamang bansa ang India pero makikita nyong mga naka-polo at long sleeves pa sila
at yung mga babae suot pa rin tradisyunal na damit ng India

sa Pilipinas kahit walang damit pang taas ..ok lang..kahit naka-sando :lol:

What happened to our drainage system today?

What happened to our drainage system today?

i'm pretty sure they will extensively review their system in the coming days/weeks... pero siyempre maraming reasons yan kung bakit bumaha, di lang sa drainage...:(

^^ ayan na... sino ba naman sisihin natin bakit bumabara ang drainage at mga kanal dyan.. di na tayo natuto..

naka ilang ulit na ata sinasabi ng MMDA nyan... wag maging burara sa basura.. ayan.. bumabalik sa atin..

nature's wrath is unstoppable...


OT:

pati pala si Christine Reyes... na sangit sa bubong.. :lol:

i'm pretty sure they will extensively review their system in the coming days/weeks... pero siyempre maraming reasons yan kung bakit bumaha, di lang sa drainage...:(

kahit gaano kaganda drainage system hindi kakayanin ang ulan kahapon.

OT:

pati pala si Christine Reyes... na sangit sa bubong.. :lol:


how could u laugh at other people's fate man? baliw ka ba ???

grabe ang nangyari sa atin dito sa Metro Manila. what happened here was the worst I have seen in my many years of residing here (i am actually from Laguna province). everybody, including myself, was surprising at the kind of flooding that occurred here in the metropolis. being shocked at the events of yesterday was, in my opinion, quite an understatement.

so sad... yesterday's rain was very heavy. no one was prepared for it. :(

Sa dami ng nasirang kotse, for sure mabawasan traffic, problem is ang dami rin nasira na jeep, bus, at taxi. This will affect our economy for sure maraming di makaka pasok. The upside is there will be a market for repairs and construction, but the downside might be bigger than the upside.

Let's all pray for those affected and those who are still in danger right now.

It's time to REBUILD our city, we will have a better Metro Manila after this.

sana lang.. this would be a lesson to us... na wag tayong maging burara sa basura at kumpyansa sa sarili...

nasanay ako na bahain ang area namin... di kami kumpyansa na pag hindi talaga tumigil ang ulang in 24 hrs + high tide.... alam na namin ang susunod naming gawin... evacuate to higher grounds..

as Planning Democracy said... its time to rebuild the city...

^^

I hope people will be pissed enough to eradicate corruption at the LGU level. Puro na lang SOP yung mga konsehal jan ang pangit tuloy ng drainage systems at walang disaster response equipment.

BF and Marikina was prepared I just wonder why they didn't have enough rubber boats?? Not bashing BF though, but I think this is something we overlooked, somehow we're more scared of earthquakes than of massive flooding. I guess we now know what's more devastating...

I pray that all of you forumers in MM are ok.I pray that MM can survive this terrible disaster.:cry:

^^ as they say, the resiliency of Filipinos will prevail....kayang kaya ibangon ang lahat.

The typhoon did not have strong wind (signal 1 lang kasi) but the flood was caused by heavy rain. Sunday afternoon, the weather was getting better and today - sunny day in Metro Manila.

Large parts of metropolis yesterday, Sunday, was free of flood except in Pasig, Marikiina, Rizal.....
C5 Pasig, QC, Makati, Mandaluyong were already okay yesterday(no flood and there was electricity). Mall of Asia and other malls were open....

The financial districts of Ortigas, Makati are not affected.

kahit gaano kaganda drainage system hindi kakayanin ang ulan kahapon.

but it would have helped...lalo na pagtigil na ulan, masmabilis ang maghupa ng baha.

I hope, MM will now dispose trash better...and those living alongside rivers etc., would consider relocating.

hindi ko lang maintindihan kung bakit hindi mahagilap ang mga pulitiko ng metro manila ngayon... ayaw ba nilang gumastos or biktima din sila ng baha?

hindi ko lang maintindihan kung bakit hindi mahagilap ang mga pulitiko ng metro manila ngayon... ayaw ba nilang gumastos or biktima din sila ng baha?

kabayan wag naman masyado negative... tumutulong ang mga local executives like mayors and the like at tama ka baka biktima din sila. Busy ang mga local leaders siempre dapat tumulong at hindi mag pa media media, yun ang mas importante.

grabe naman mga reaksyon nyo sa nangyari sa marikina.

If you were just here; if you just saw what happened. hindi biro at hindi nakatatawa na kahit artista nabiktima. The disaster was really unbelievable. Many have died and many have lost their homes. I was just lucky, we were at the upper portion of Marikina, near Loyola, lagpas-tao (about 6ft) lang ang baha unlike Provident na halos 3-storey house ang inabot.

Just be thankful this never happened to you.

Let's just pray for the victims.

ang medyo "LAME" na kwento dito sa Ondoy ay si Richard Gutierrez at Cristine Reyes, nag paka bayani na lang din eh hindi pa ng damay ng ibang taga provident village eh yung chicks lang ang ni rescue... OK na sana pag ka pogi at kwento ng mga speed boat rescue yun nga lang para self serving ang rescue mo bro bakit yung chikas lang niligtas mo pre dami mo pa sana na isakay dun sa speed boat -- kahit mga 2-3 passes lang sana ginawa mo tapos nag dahilan ka nalang ng ubas na gas or lalong naging delikado

It's time to REBUILD our city, we will have a better Metro Manila after this.

^^When I saw on the news people on rooftops trying to get rescuer's attention for help it reminded me of the Hurricane Katrina flooding. You're right its MM time to rebuild a better city but don't forget there are still some parts of New Orleans that haven't been rebuilt yet after more than four yrs. and their city still hasn't been the same since. Lets hope this doesn't happen to Metro Manila. I believe in the Filipino's resiliency in times like this.

^^When I saw on the news people on rooftops trying to get rescuer's attention for help it reminded me of the Hurricane Katrina flooding. You're right its MM time to rebuild a better city but don't forget there are still some parts of New Orleans that haven't been rebuilt yet after more than four yrs. and their city still hasn't been the same since. Lets hope this doesn't happen to Metro Manila. I believe in the Filipino's resiliency in times like this.

I came from Cainta yesterday to deliver food to my girlfriend's house, they were holed up there for two days without any help.

You're right, this part of town will never be the same. A lot of houses will be abandoned simply because the owners will not have the money to have them repaired.

I hope the LGUs and the national government will take this opportunity to increase the capacity of the drainage systems there since everything is destroyed anyway.

No amount of drainage improvement will prevent that damage caused by Onday, but it will prevent flooding from lesser typhoons in the future. I really hope the government and private sector will take this opportunity to improve our drainage systems while the ante is there.

grabe naman mga reaksyon nyo sa nangyari sa marikina.

If you were just here; if you just saw what happened. hindi biro at hindi nakatatawa na kahit artista nabiktima. The disaster was really unbelievable. Many have died and many have lost their homes. I was just lucky, we were at the upper portion of Marikina, near Loyola, lagpas-tao (about 6ft) lang ang baha unlike Provident na halos 3-storey house ang inabot.

Just be thankful this never happened to you.

Let's just pray for the victims.

I was there yesterday, place looked like a warzone, nakaka praning yung konting ulan para kang kakabahan bigla pag andun ka.

I understand Richard Gutierrez now, I would have done the same if I was off to save my "love interest". He must have been fearing for his life when his speedboat couldn't fight the current.

But my opinion on corrupt LGUs stays the same, kung gawin pa nilang raket at pagkakitaan pa yung pag bili ng rubber boats for future disasters, ewan ko na lang, kayo na lang sana yung nalunod instead of the nameless squatters who died.

^^When I saw on the news people on rooftops trying to get rescuer's attention for help it reminded me of the Hurricane Katrina flooding. You're right its MM time to rebuild a better city but don't forget there are still some parts of New Orleans that haven't been rebuilt yet after more than four yrs. and their city still hasn't been the same since. Lets hope this doesn't happen to Metro Manila. I believe in the Filipino's resiliency in times like this.

Right....I think the victims would try to rebuild their homes slowly....in Cainta and parts of Pasig near to Cainta, you would see people cleaning their houses, furniture that are covered by mud. I've seen a number of towing trucks with cars....I think in two months' time, the affected area would be back to normal..

The malls, restaurants, business districts are back to normal but people seem to be restrained. Traffic is lighter in all roads.


GMA praises swift response to calamity
By GENALYN KABILING
September 28, 2009, 12:17pm

President Arroyo gave all concerned government agencies a pat on the back yesterday for swiftly helping Filipinos survive a storm, described as worse than Hurricane Katrina that swamped areas of the United States four years ago.

The President at the same time asked all government personnel to remain on alert as the nation braces for another weather disturbance that may hit the country this week.

On the second day of the onslaught of storm Ondoy, Mrs. Arroyo convened an emergency meeting of the National Disaster Coordinating Council (NDCC) in Camp Aguinaldo, Quezon City to check on government rescue and relief operations amid reports that many families were displaced by floods.

The President praised the military, police, social welfare units, and local governments for their quick and round-the-clock assistance to flood-stricken victims in the National Capital Region and nearby provinces.

Mrs. Arroyo noted that the country endured heavy floods brought by Ondoy, which she claimed dumped nearly double the rainfall unleashed by the devastating Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans and other US counties on August 29, 2005."We congratulate everybody who was able to do everything so fast yesterday (Saturday)," she said in her remarks, as she listened to the reports of the disaster and weather authorities at the NDCC. "We had more rainfall than Katrina yesterday," she added.

Weather specialist Prisco Nilo, during the NDCC meeting, told the President that the highest rainfall was recorded in Quezon City at 455 millimeters for 24 hours, much higher than Katrina which was only 250mm for 24 hours.

When informed by Nilo that a cluster of clouds hovering over the Pacific may develop into a new low pressure area, the President issued another storm alert to minimize casualties and damage to property.

"Everybody must be on the alert. In the next four days, there will be no bringing down of the alert level," the President said.

The President likewise expressed gratitude to the United States for sending military equipment to aid local forces in the rescue and relief operations in storm-battered Luzon. She also thanked the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF), several private companies and non-government agencies for providing relief goods to storm victims.

Meantime, she directed the Department of Transportation and Communications to continue the 24-hour operation of the Metro Rail transits in Metro Manila to help stranded commuters.

Transportation Secretary Leandro Mendoza told the President that they will charge a flat rate of P10 to passengers to any destinations.
http://www.mb.com.ph/node/222283/d

but it would have helped...lalo na pagtigil na ulan, masmabilis ang maghupa ng baha.

I hope, MM will now dispose trash better...and those living alongside rivers etc., would consider relocating.

Marikina River basically broke its banks and that's the lowest point in that area, but I agree that it would have helped draining the flooded areas faster, but only if Markina itself was not swollen anymore. Still, the damage would have been the same because there was no preventing the flash flood.

The only solution is to stop living in flood plains and former swamp areas. Otherwise, the whole of Marikina, Cainta, and Pasig should adapt to seasonal flooding. Like building elevated houses, having emergency platforms on roofs, etc..

The only solution is to stop living in flood plains and former swamp areas. Otherwise, the whole of Marikina, Cainta, and Pasig should adapt to seasonal flooding. Like building elevated houses, having emergency platforms on roofs, etc..[/QUOTE]

My input is - we can continue except we need to build flood control infrastructure. If we establish learnings to this event i can propose the following:

1) Drainage, floodways, creeks are probably not adapted to climate change anymore. I think the building code is likely outdated and based on old world measurements - need improvement (dapat lakihan, laliman, gawing protekted)
2) Install doppler radar and improve PAGASA capability
3) Silted floodways and rivers (continous dredging na siguro dapat walang tigil)
4) Improve garbage management - it reduced flood drainage rates
5) Audible disaster warning (like Malaysia and Singapore) like an air raid siren with appropriate practice and training
6) Serious and punitive criminal charges to anyone who violates "flood control" infra... e.g. ilagay sa Penal code na 25 years imprisonment ang mag papa semento ng creek/canal
7) yung HUDCC dapat i revise ang ZONING - dapat siguro dumami ang open areas natin para mabawasan ang urban run-off ng tubig.. dahil sementado na buong metro manila, walang puntahan ang tubig kung hindi yung mga drainage system (walang seepage papunta sa lupa)
8) Squater (IS) management - bawal na ang squatter sa estero :(
9) More equipment to S&R groups


Simply said - i think some of above are already legislated - baka wala lang implementation....New flood control project assuming Ondoy as the new "benchmark" of rainfall and disaster.. we should re-apply the audible disaster warning (i'm sure mura lang yan i maintain mahal lang ang capital investment siguro)

^^

No. 7 is actually related to a form of integrated planning some planners are exploring right now in Mindanao. It's a regional plan based on the watershed.

This means that land use plans of areas within a particular watershed must comply with this regional watershed plan.

For example, Antipolo might be constrained to have any more subdivisions built because it will increase run off in Marikina due to "soil hardening" (concrete roads prevent water from being absorbed into the soil and water goes directly to the drainage system). Antipolo might also be mandated to have canals with "steps" to reduce the velocity of water going down, thus giving low lying areas time to drain.

The canals in villages like Vista Verde and the others should be adjacent to "flood parks", open soccer fields which also act as giant holding ponds for excess water.

Right now there is no solid legislation to give regional plans "teeth", the focus is on Comprehensive Land Use Plans (CLUPs) which some LGUs can't even do well or don't have one at all. But don't fret though, the law states that citizens must be consulted in the formulation of the CLUP, so this is actually one of the sins of some LGUs to the people when they don't do public awareness campaigns so that people can participate in public consultation forums during the CLUP formulation.

ang medyo "LAME" na kwento dito sa Ondoy ay si Richard Gutierrez at Cristine Reyes, nag paka bayani na lang din eh hindi pa ng damay ng ibang taga provident village eh yung chicks lang ang ni rescue... OK na sana pag ka pogi at kwento ng mga speed boat rescue yun nga lang para self serving ang rescue mo bro bakit yung chikas lang niligtas mo pre dami mo pa sana na isakay dun sa speed boat -- kahit mga 2-3 passes lang sana ginawa mo tapos nag dahilan ka nalang ng ubas na gas or lalong naging delikado

ayos na si richard, pang "score" yung "rescue operation" nya kay christine reyes. di naman nya pwede score-an yung iba dun kaya di na nya isinama. idol!:banana:

Philippine Floods: Why Wasn't Manila Prepared?
By Ishaan Tharoor
Time (http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090929/wl_time/08599192664600)
21 mins ago


In Manila, millions of residents now live in a world of mud. Torrential rain over the weekend triggered the worst flooding the Philippines' capital has seen in over four decades, submerging more than 80% of the city, killing at least 246 people and displacing hundreds of thousands more. By Tuesday, the water had receded in many places, but it left behind ruined homes and swept-away neighborhoods, and according to health officials, it disabled the majority of Manila's medical facilities. Debris, sewage and abandoned vehicles that were tossed around by gushing currents now litter the notoriously polluted capital; aid workers warn of water-borne diseases. The government has placed the area around Manila under a "state of public calamity."

In an appeal for assistance, Philippine President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo described Tropical Storm Ketsana, which hit Manila on Sept. 26, as a "once-in-a-lifetime typhoon." A month's worth of rain deluged the city in the space of 12 hours. "The system is overwhelmed, local government units are overwhelmed," said Anthony Golez of the state's National Disaster Coordinating Council at a press conference on Sept. 28.

Yet many in the country are pointing fingers at its politicians for failing to predict the scale of the disaster or lessen the damage it caused. Manila, they say, was always bound to face such catastrophe, and more should have been done to help its millions of residents prepare. A recently published study by the Economy and Environment Program for Southeast Asia (EEPSA), a research group based in Singapore, ranked metropolitan Manila as one of the provinces in Southeast Asia most vulnerable to flooding. The capital region is perched on a marshy isthmus that is crisscrossed with streams and rivers. An ever-growing population - Manila is now a sprawling mega-city of some 12 million people, larger still when factoring in the day-worker population - and the lack of infrastructure to accommodate it left swaths of the city exposed. "What we are seeing is a phenomenon that will affect many major cities in Asia," says Neeraj Jain, country specialist for the Philippines at the Asian Development Bank (ADB), which is headquartered in Manila. "Urbanization has been so rapid, yet the planning processes have lagged."

Last weekend's flood was in large part the result of the capital's poor drainage and sanitation systems, which have been neglected by several successive administrations in power. As Ketsana rained down upon Manila, sewers that were clogged up by plastic bags and other refuse led to roads becoming rivers and gardens lagoons. Video images of desperate people riding floating pontoons of garbage down inundated streets were a sign not just of the consequences of the flood, but also its causes. Many impoverished Manila residents live in makeshift settlements by rivers and creeks - the source of their drinking water - that overflowed and carried off their homes. "People have always been living on the edge," says Carlos Celdran, a popular Manila historian and performing artist. "It's amazing the city has actually managed to make it this far."

The Spanish seized Manila from its Muslim rulers in the 16th century and set it up as their colonial seat in Asia. The city was a flourishing, elegant entrepÔt for centuries, but in recent times civic planning has been more haphazard as the population has boomed. Lambert Ramirez, executive director of the National Institute for Policy Studies, a Manila-based think tank, says much of the blame for poor urban management ought to be leveled at the government. "There's no coordinated policy for cleaning up garbage. There's no political will to get even simple things done," he says. Ramirez spoke to TIME while salvaging appliances and valuables from his own flooded home.

Jain of the ADB says the leadership in Manila, faced with elections in the coming months, is indeed thinking of long-term solutions to its infrastructure woes. Plans have been afoot to improve sanitation and also relieve the population burden in metro Manila by shifting certain businesses and government offices to areas outside the dense capital region. But the challenge facing the Philippines and other poor Asian countries is one of resources. Most Southeast Asia nations budget around 2% or 3% of their GDP for infrastructure development. To fend off such disasters in the future, Jain says that figure ought to be closer to 5% or 6%. It's a deficit that few governments can afford to make up overnight.

But given the looming specter of climate change, they may have to find a way sooner rather than later. The prospect of another typhoon this week underscores environmentalists' concern that shifts in global temperatures may mean increasingly extreme weather patterns for coastal cities like Manila. "[Ketsana] was a startling, unique event," says Herminia Francisco of the EEPSA in Singapore. "But then I think this is going to happen more and more frequently in the future."

For today, as international aid pours in from organizations like the Red Cross and the World Food Program, Manila residents are slowly retrieving their homes and livelihoods from the mud. Thousands of volunteers have donated food and rushed to help those who were worse affected. "Filipinos are used to crisis," says Celdran. "We've gone through a lot over the years, but we've managed. We're a resilient people."

Marikina River basically broke its banks and that's the lowest point in that area, but I agree that it would have helped draining the flooded areas faster, but only if Markina itself was not swollen anymore. Still, the damage would have been the same because there was no preventing the flash flood.

The only solution is to stop living in flood plains and former swamp areas. Otherwise, the whole of Marikina, Cainta, and Pasig should adapt to seasonal flooding. Like building elevated houses, having emergency platforms on roofs, etc..

IMO, if there was better drainage in the first place, and of course if people disposed of their garbage better...lesser damage, and faster ang recovery...especially, if faster ang pagsubside ng baha...I have a feeling na some areas will continue to be flooded for some weeks pa, because barado ang drainage.

also, this shows us the importance of trees..sana itigil na ang pagputol ng mga puno sa Rizal area...

News said MMDA Chairman Bayani Fernando took responsibility of the recent flooding caused by tropical storm Ondoy. "As the man who takes charge of the flooding system of Metro Manila, he must've done something wrong to prevent the disaster", primetime news said.

I think everybody has their own contributions as to why this had happened. Just small things like candy wrappers thrown at streetsides could do harm and could make the MMDA work double time to ease the flooding. If only Filipinos could learn to practice discipline. :ohno::ohno:

^^ Im heartened that Bayani has taken some responsibility for what has happened, its good to know someone isn't afraid of accountability. I have to point out however, that Bayani, out of all the MMDA chairmans that have come before him and out of all the Metro Manila Mayors, has given the most effort in trying to control floods in Metro Manila. This man can't do it alone, he's only MMDA chairman. He can't force all of Metro Manila's illegal settlers out of rivers and tributaries without help from congress and local officials. He can't rehabilitate all of the rivers and tributaries in Metro Manila via the MMDA only. He has even improvised valiantly with make shift rafts as river garbage collectors.

Cleaning and KEEPING clean rivers and tributaries in Metro Manila is not a ONE MAN PROJECT, but a COMMUNITY undertaking. Despite the tragedy i don't think illegal settlers in metro manila have learned their lesson. By this time next year many settlers surrounding the river will forget this even happened.

True, this is not the very first time Metro Manila got flooded, it has happened before only that this is the worst of it all after 42 years I heard.

IMO, if there was better drainage in the first place, and of course if people disposed of their garbage better...lesser damage, and faster ang recovery...especially, if faster ang pagsubside ng baha...I have a feeling na some areas will continue to be flooded for some weeks pa, because barado ang drainage.

also, this shows us the importance of trees..sana itigil na ang pagputol ng mga puno sa Rizal area...

Agree, any factor kahit maliit man yung effect is important, kasi collectively it may make a difference.

Regarding Rizal, I think tree planting ang kelangan dahil naputol na mga puno don. :bash: The trees could also slow down the velocity of water running down the slopes, giving time for the catchbasins to drain.

News said MMDA Chairman Bayani Fernando took responsibility of the recent flooding caused by tropical storm Ondoy. "As the man who takes charge of the flooding system of Metro Manila, he must've done something wrong to prevent the disaster", primetime news said.

I think everybody has their own contributions as to why this had happened. Just small things like candy wrappers thrown at streetsides could do harm and could make the MMDA work double time to ease the flooding. If only Filipinos could learn to practice discipline. :ohno::ohno:

Bayani is leading by example. No finger pointing.

Bayani Fernando should resign
"As this disastrous flood subsides, so should his presidential or senatorial hopes go down the drain"


A little stroll down memory lane:

Just a mere four months ago, Senator Francis Escudero scored the MMDA on its "failure" to address the problem of flash floods in Metro Manila, in the aftermath of the typhoon 'Emong'. He demanded that the agency "disclose" how the 500-million peso budget for its flood control program was spent.

And we quote the senator, in this report that appeared in the news website Gmanews.tv, words that now have an eerie prescience:

"Metro Manila was not even one of the areas being directly affected by typhoon Emong but flash floods still hit some of the cities. I ask the MMDA, can we expect more floods come the rainy season?

"We have seen how the MMDA wields its authority in clearing sidewalks of vendors when it wants to. Why then can it not wield the same authority when it comes to flood control?"

Sen. Escudero added that P221 million of the MMDA's anti-flood budget is allocated for the maintenance, repair, and rehabilitation of drainage systems and facilities.

Reacting to this, MMDA Chair Bayani Fernando defended his agency's flood control efforts, saying that they have not been "remiss" in their duties.

The hundreds who lost loved ones, livelihood and property, in the devastation wrought by typoon 'Ondoy', would beg to disagree.

Like Sen. Escudero, the urban poor is up in arms over the MMDA's zeal in attacking sidewalk vendors and demolishing poor communities, and yet could not solve one basic problem of the metro.

Yes, Mr. Fernando, you are right. It is your fault. And possibly of your cohorts in the administration as well. As this disastrous flood subsides, so should your presidential or senatorial hopes go down the drain. Perhaps even that of your standard bearer, NDCC Chair Gilbert Teodoro, as well.

At a time of massive unemployment, poverty, and hunger, we cannot tolerate this glaring failure of government at such a basic public service. (Please see accompanying post re: appeal for help from urban poor families ravaged by 'Ondoy') Heads should roll, and, more importantly, the capacity for leadership and service of people who are involved in this tragedy, especially those seeking higher positions next year, should be reexamined.

And so we demand, as former Senator Ernesto Maceda also called for in his column today (Wednesday): Bayani Fernando should resign. ##

For further detals, please contact Jon Vincent Marin, Kadamay PIO | 0910.975.7660
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Thursday, September 24, 2009
Payo kay Gibo: Kunin na si BF bilang running mate
NEWS RELEASE
September 24, 2009

Pinayuhan ng grupong Kalipunan ng Damayang Mahihirap (Kadamay) si administration standard-bearer Gilbert 'Gibo' Teodoro na kunin na bilang running mate si MMDA Chair Bayani 'BF' Fernando, dahil "bagay na bagay" umano ang dalawa.

"Si Gibo, bilang defense secretary, ay poster boy ng militarisasyon sa kanayunan, ng pagpaslang at pagdukot sa mga aktibista na gawain ng militar. Si BF naman ang tinaguriang 'berdugo' ng maralita at 'demolition king' sa kalunsuran. Bagay na bagay silang tandem na manggaling sa administrasyon," ani Jon Vincent Marin, tagapagsalita ng Kadamay.

Pag nagkataon, ayon sa grupo, ang tambalang ito ang "perpektong simbolo" ng "palpak at madugong rekord" ng administrasyong Arroyo, at ng klase ng hinaharap na inaalok ni Arroyo sa sambayanang Pilipino.

"Anuman ang mangyari, kailangan nang tuldukan ang siyam na taong paghahasik ng lagim ni Arroyo sa ating bansa. Para maseguro ito, kailangang gapiin ang mga manok ng administrasyon, laluna 'yung may mga rekord na ng pagiging anti-mamamayan at mahihirap sa kanilang panunungkulan sa gubyerno. Pihadong ipagpapatuloy lang nila ang paraan ng pamamahala ng kanilang amo, at poproteksyunan din si Arroyo sa pag-uusig pag-alis niya sa poder," ani Marin.

Samantala, muling iginiit ng Kadamay ang paglalatag na ng mga 'presidentiable' ng kanilang malinaw at kumprehensibong plataporma kaugnay sa pagsosolusyon sa matinding kahirapan, kagutuman, at disempleyo sa bansa. Hindi umano sapat ang 'mabuting intensyon', ayon sa grupo, kundi kailangang makapaghain ng tiyak, depinido at detalyadong mga programa ang mga kakandidato upang mapatunayang karapat-dapat nga silang pamunuan ang bansa.##

Reference: Jon Vincent Marin, Kadamay PIO | 0910.975.7660
Posted by Kalipunan ng Damayang Mahihirap (Kadamay) at 11:10 PM 0 comments
Wednesday, September 23, 2009

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^^ seriously, flooding in MM goes as far back as the 80's, as far as I can remember...it has come to a point it seems that it's become an accepted thing, something part of every MM citizen's life - for example, espana is known to get flooded, and people have come to live with that, etc.....whatever efforts the government (both previous and present), if there were/are any, have proven to be ineffective. IMO, this problem has been neglected both by the people and the govt for so long, and now it comes to bite us hard.

Bayani Fernando should resign
"As this disastrous flood subsides, so should his presidential or senatorial hopes go down the drain"


A little stroll down memory lane:

Just a mere four months ago, Senator Francis Escudero scored the MMDA on its "failure" to address the problem of flash floods in Metro Manila, in the aftermath of the typhoon 'Emong'. He demanded that the agency "disclose" how the 500-million peso budget for its flood control program was spent.

And we quote the senator, in this report that appeared in the news website Gmanews.tv, words that now have an eerie prescience:

"Metro Manila was not even one of the areas being directly affected by typhoon Emong but flash floods still hit some of the cities. I ask the MMDA, can we expect more floods come the rainy season?

"We have seen how the MMDA wields its authority in clearing sidewalks of vendors when it wants to. Why then can it not wield the same authority when it comes to flood control?"

Sen. Escudero added that P221 million of the MMDA's anti-flood budget is allocated for the maintenance, repair, and rehabilitation of drainage systems and facilities.

Reacting to this, MMDA Chair Bayani Fernando defended his agency's flood control efforts, saying that they have not been "remiss" in their duties.

The hundreds who lost loved ones, livelihood and property, in the devastation wrought by typoon 'Ondoy', would beg to disagree.

Like Sen. Escudero, the urban poor is up in arms over the MMDA's zeal in attacking sidewalk vendors and demolishing poor communities, and yet could not solve one basic problem of the metro.

Yes, Mr. Fernando, you are right. It is your fault. And possibly of your cohorts in the administration as well. As this disastrous flood subsides, so should your presidential or senatorial hopes go down the drain. Perhaps even that of your standard bearer, NDCC Chair Gilbert Teodoro, as well.

At a time of massive unemployment, poverty, and hunger, we cannot tolerate this glaring failure of government at such a basic public service. (Please see accompanying post re: appeal for help from urban poor families ravaged by 'Ondoy') Heads should roll, and, more importantly, the capacity for leadership and service of people who are involved in this tragedy, especially those seeking higher positions next year, should be reexamined.

And so we demand, as former Senator Ernesto Maceda also called for in his column today (Wednesday): Bayani Fernando should resign. ##

For further detals, please contact Jon Vincent Marin, Kadamay PIO | 0910.975.7660
Posted by Kalipunan ng Damayang Mahihirap (Kadamay) at 8:20 PM 0 comments

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Thursday, September 24, 2009
Payo kay Gibo: Kunin na si BF bilang running mate
NEWS RELEASE
September 24, 2009

Pinayuhan ng grupong Kalipunan ng Damayang Mahihirap (Kadamay) si administration standard-bearer Gilbert 'Gibo' Teodoro na kunin na bilang running mate si MMDA Chair Bayani 'BF' Fernando, dahil "bagay na bagay" umano ang dalawa.

"Si Gibo, bilang defense secretary, ay poster boy ng militarisasyon sa kanayunan, ng pagpaslang at pagdukot sa mga aktibista na gawain ng militar. Si BF naman ang tinaguriang 'berdugo' ng maralita at 'demolition king' sa kalunsuran. Bagay na bagay silang tandem na manggaling sa administrasyon," ani Jon Vincent Marin, tagapagsalita ng Kadamay.

Pag nagkataon, ayon sa grupo, ang tambalang ito ang "perpektong simbolo" ng "palpak at madugong rekord" ng administrasyong Arroyo, at ng klase ng hinaharap na inaalok ni Arroyo sa sambayanang Pilipino.

"Anuman ang mangyari, kailangan nang tuldukan ang siyam na taong paghahasik ng lagim ni Arroyo sa ating bansa. Para maseguro ito, kailangang gapiin ang mga manok ng administrasyon, laluna 'yung may mga rekord na ng pagiging anti-mamamayan at mahihirap sa kanilang panunungkulan sa gubyerno. Pihadong ipagpapatuloy lang nila ang paraan ng pamamahala ng kanilang amo, at poproteksyunan din si Arroyo sa pag-uusig pag-alis niya sa poder," ani Marin.

Samantala, muling iginiit ng Kadamay ang paglalatag na ng mga 'presidentiable' ng kanilang malinaw at kumprehensibong plataporma kaugnay sa pagsosolusyon sa matinding kahirapan, kagutuman, at disempleyo sa bansa. Hindi umano sapat ang 'mabuting intensyon', ayon sa grupo, kundi kailangang makapaghain ng tiyak, depinido at detalyadong mga programa ang mga kakandidato upang mapatunayang karapat-dapat nga silang pamunuan ang bansa.##

Reference: Jon Vincent Marin, Kadamay PIO | 0910.975.7660
Posted by Kalipunan ng Damayang Mahihirap (Kadamay) at 11:10 PM 0 comments
Wednesday, September 23, 2009

http://kadamay-natl.blogspot.com/

Who wrote this? Representative ng mga sidewalk vendor? B*llshit.

Lagay na lang nila si Teddy Casino bilang head ng MMDA. Magiging "squatter city" ang Metro Manila pag yung ang MMDA chair. :lol:

Namulitika pa itong mga ito imbes na tumulong na lang. :ohno:

:D

Dang..

After seeing what just happend and is currently happening.. I cannot keep stressing the fact that Metro Manila really needs a counter-flooding system.

The fact that they weren't prepared is one thing...

but how long is the Filipino going to continue getting screwed over just because of the greedy government officials?

problem here is that you cannot say the truth to people because you might hurt their feelings...

fact of the matter is urban poor settlements are major cause of floods and add to that, they are the ones who need the most saving after a disaster. while it is interesting and useful to find out where the flood control budget was used, it is very irresponsible to say that clearing of squatters area did not help. irresponsible and very populist. exactly the things we DO NOT need in this time of rescue, relief and rebuilding.

Natawa ako sa article. Kung manghusga si Escudero kala mo kung sinong magaling. masuwerte lang ang Sorsogon ngayon kasi nakaiwas sa bagyo. Pero subukan kaya nating magbalik tanaw. Tuwing may bagyo hindi ba't laging isa ang Sorsogon sa maraming namamatay at binabaha? Sa tagal-tagal ni Escudero at ng kanyang pamilya sa Sorsogon, ni simpleng evacuation and disaster management wala silang magawa. Ni pataasin nga ang income ng mga tao dun hindi niya kaya. To think na lagi namang dinadaanan ng malalakas na bagyo ang Bicol. Lagi silang hindi handa. San na napunta yung IRA at prok barrel niya at ng kanyang mga kamag-anak? Napaka-impokrito nakakaasar. Ang lakas pang mang-bara eh isa rin naman siyang inutil.

Ito namang mga squatter at illegal vendors na ito ang lakas ng loob, kala mo kung sino. Eh isa rin kaya sila sa mga dahilan kung bakit ang daming basura dito sa MM.

Natawa ako sa article. Kung manghusga si Escudero kala mo kung sinong magaling. masuwerte lang ang Sorsogon ngayon kasi nakaiwas sa bagyo. Pero subukan kaya nating magbalik tanaw. Tuwing may bagyo hindi ba't laging isa ang Sorsogon sa maraming namamatay at binabaha? Sa tagal-tagal ni Escudero at ng kanyang pamilya sa Sorsogon, ni simpleng evacuation and disaster management wala silang magawa. Ni pataasin nga ang income ng mga tao dun hindi niya kaya. To think na lagi namang dinadaanan ng malalakas na bagyo ang Bicol. Lagi silang hindi handa. San na napunta yung IRA at prok barrel niya at ng kanyang mga kamag-anak? Napaka-impokrito nakakaasar. Ang lakas pang mang-bara eh isa rin naman siyang inutil.

Ito namang mga squatter at illegal vendors na ito ang lakas ng loob, kala mo kung sino. Eh isa rin kaya sila sa mga dahilan kung bakit ang daming basura dito sa MM.

AGREE - the article is obviously written / supported by leftest communist leaning groups (they are never happy - kahit ano gawin mo me batikos yan)... Chiz is just an attention grabing, ambitious and all talk politician (kaya nga nanalo siya senator) anyway i'm sure talo yan sa election tatakbo daw eh

Re: article... Kadamay? They're the same group who lambasted VP De Castro during one of his recent speeches! They're one of those who were opposing his relocation projects :ohno: Fail.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=478951

if only this was 1 year earlier :( - 20/20 hindsight nga lang anyway I hope this gains more momentum given the need to improve the flow rate of pasig river to drain Laguna de bay and the resulting rainfall when an Ondoy type rain comes

Dredging of Pasig River underway
By Katherine Adraneda (The Philippine Star) Updated June 19, 2009 12:00 AM


MANILA, Philippines - The Pasig River Rehabilitation Commission this week declared that the “comprehensive” dredging of the Pasig River is “in progress” despite reports implying possible irregularities in the conduct of the Belgian government-sponsored venture that formally started in April.

“The Pasig River Dredging Project is definitely making a headway,” said Architect Deogracias Tablan, executive director of PRRC, in an apparent attempt to expunge doubts hurled against the P5.038-billion mission to revive the famous water body. According to Tablan, they have in fact already accomplished surveys on elevations, benchmarks, depths, topographic, geographic reference points, river cross-sections, and volume computations. Tablan also said they have established baseline data for water quality analysis and fish tissue, sediment, and benthos inventory for proper monitoring.

“And as required by the environment compliance certificate (ECC), the PRRC has organized the Multi-Partite Monitoring Team and has prepared the environmental monitoring plan to ensure the protection of the environment,” Tablan said.

The Pasig River Dredging Project requires the removal and containment of an estimated 2.8 million cubic meters of debris/sediment materials in a 19-km. stretch of the water body.

Re: article... Kadamay? They're the same group who lambasted VP De Castro during one of his recent speeches! They're one of those who were opposing his relocation projects :ohno: Fail.

Kadamay! Full of BS yan....they claimed to represent the poor and they want the poor to remain POOR. They have a different agenda. They don't want these poor people to be relocated to a better place. They object EVERYTHING to any democratic government. :bash:

Napanuod nyo sa TV Patrol kagabi isang nainterview ng isang padre de pamilya na nasa evacuation center? Nananawagan sya kung meron daw pwedeng mag sponsor sa pamasahe nila pauwi ng probinsya (Leyte yata). Uwi na lang daw sila.

Magandang ipanawagan ito ni Kris Aquino sa Aboitiz, Sulpicio, et al. Magsponsor sila ng libreng byahe sa mga gusto nang bumalik ng kanikanilang probinsya. Ayusin lang ang sistema at nang di maabuso.

Timing na timing! Maaaring mag trigger ito ng malawakang "balik-probinsya" para sa mga nangarap ng magandang buhay dito sa Maynila, na hindi naman mangyari.

Sabayan na ni Boy Abunda ng ..... NOW NA!

OT:

mas mabuti pa talagang mag si uwian nalang sila.. wala talaga silang mapapala sa Manila... kung nasa probinsya pa sila.. nakakain pa din sila lalo kung magbubukid sila.. kesa sa Manila na ewan ko lang kung makakain kapa ng tatlong beses sa isang araw dahil sa kamahalan ng mga presyo dyan... :ohno:

may bago nga kaming kapit bahay dito sa amin galing Pampanga.. sabi nga niya, mas mabuti pa dito mamuhay sa Mindanao dahil sa murang pagkain nabibili..

Napanuod nyo sa TV Patrol kagabi isang nainterview ng isang padre de pamilya na nasa evacuation center? Nananawagan sya kung meron daw pwedeng mag sponsor sa pamasahe nila pauwi ng probinsya (Leyte yata). Uwi na lang daw sila.

Magandang ipanawagan ito ni Kris Aquino sa Aboitiz, Sulpicio, et al. Magsponsor sila ng libreng byahe sa mga gusto nang bumalik ng kanikanilang probinsya. Ayusin lang ang sistema at nang di maabuso.

Timing na timing! Maaaring mag trigger ito ng malawakang "balik-probinsya" para sa mga nangarap ng magandang buhay dito sa Maynila, na hindi naman mangyari.

Sabayan na ni Boy Abunda ng ..... NOW NA!

dapat ito ang gawing programa ng gobierno natin para madecongest ang metro manila.

^^ Im heartened that Bayani has taken some responsibility for what has happened, its good to know someone isn't afraid of accountability. I have to point out however, that Bayani, out of all the MMDA chairmans that have come before him and out of all the Metro Manila Mayors, has given the most effort in trying to control floods in Metro Manila. This man can't do it alone, he's only MMDA chairman. He can't force all of Metro Manila's illegal settlers out of rivers and tributaries without help from congress and local officials. He can't rehabilitate all of the rivers and tributaries in Metro Manila via the MMDA only. He has even improvised valiantly with make shift rafts as river garbage collectors.

Cleaning and KEEPING clean rivers and tributaries in Metro Manila is not a ONE MAN PROJECT, but a COMMUNITY undertaking. Despite the tragedy i don't think illegal settlers in metro manila have learned their lesson. By this time next year many settlers surrounding the river will forget this even happened.

^^Kaya dapat talagang si BF ang maging presidente ng pilipinas!! Si Gibo gawin nalang VP!!!:lol:

Napanuod nyo sa TV Patrol kagabi isang nainterview ng isang padre de pamilya na nasa evacuation center? Nananawagan sya kung meron daw pwedeng mag sponsor sa pamasahe nila pauwi ng probinsya (Leyte yata). Uwi na lang daw sila.

Magandang ipanawagan ito ni Kris Aquino sa Aboitiz, Sulpicio, et al. Magsponsor sila ng libreng byahe sa mga gusto nang bumalik ng kanikanilang probinsya. Ayusin lang ang sistema at nang di maabuso.

Timing na timing! Maaaring mag trigger ito ng malawakang "balik-probinsya" para sa mga nangarap ng magandang buhay dito sa Maynila, na hindi naman mangyari.

Sabayan na ni Boy Abunda ng ..... NOW NA!

the only drawback here is promdi victims might take advantage of the free balik-probinsya.. kapag nakabangon na ang lugar nila from the floods, they might choose to come back again para "makipagsapalaran dahil mahirap ang buhay sa probinsya"-almost a cliche reason. Perhaps a conditional balik-probinsya would be effective, i just don't know how it could done.. a waiver to be signed perhaps indicating their willingness to start a new life in their provinces or documents/evidences to be submitted by them after years of starting a new life in the province. hahaha..:nuts::nuts: i don't know..

if only other parts of the country are given chances to provide jobs for their people and not just in mega manila :bash: :lol::lol:

that's possible
close MManila borders:D with barb wires:D

Lol, tell that to the walls MMDA put in C-5. Binubutas na ng mga busabos na squatters un mga pader para makatawid at mag kalat sa C-5.

Lol, tell that to the walls MMDA put in C-5. Binubutas na ng mga busabos na squatters un mga pader para makatawid at mag kalat sa C-5.

OO nga, tibag na yung mga pre fab concrete walls dun sa C5.

What a waste of taxpayer's money.

^^ Well, it was an attempt to discipline jaywalkers. We can see it as a waste of money, but at least MMDA attempted to do something about these people... MMDA can look for other solutions but again it will involve a lot of taxpayers money. They can install additional footbridge but this is not always effective. Take for example the area in commonwealth (manggahan-litex), there are 3 footbridges installed in every 100m and still people are not using it... I dont know why :ohno:

^^ Well, it was an attempt to discipline jaywalkers. We can see it as a waste of money, but at least MMDA attempted to do something about these people... MMDA can look for other solutions but again it will involve a lot of taxpayers money. They can install additional footbridge but this is not always effective. Take for example the area in commonwealth (manggahan-litex), there are 3 footbridges installed in every 100m and still people are not using it... I dont know why :ohno:

Mahirap na siguro baguhin ang nakasanayan at para sa marami too much effort ang pag-akyat at pagbaba pa ng hagdan. May mga kilala ko nakapag-aral sa mga "premier universities" ng bansa pero ilang hakbang na lang nasa hagdan na ng footbridge mas pipiliin pa ring sa kalsada tumawid. "mas convenient" daw.

^^ Well, it was an attempt to discipline jaywalkers. We can see it as a waste of money, but at least MMDA attempted to do something about these people... MMDA can look for other solutions but again it will involve a lot of taxpayers money. They can install additional footbridge but this is not always effective. Take for example the area in commonwealth (manggahan-litex), there are 3 footbridges installed in every 100m and still people are not using it... I dont know why :ohno:

tanong lang, yung bang mga nakatira along C5 road eh IS?

Dang..

After seeing what just happend and is currently happening.. I cannot keep stressing the fact that Metro Manila really needs a counter-flooding system.

The fact that they weren't prepared is one thing...

but how long is the Filipino going to continue getting screwed over just because of the greedy government officials?

How long ? till kingdom come :)

The Philippine society and government was so corrupted and their is no other solutions except a cultural revolution or Kuh.

All kind of systems will bogged down because most Filipinos have don't care attitude and were already corrupted.

Rich and poor peoples throw garbage in the streets, settled anywhere even in riverbanks and floodways. Government politicians don't care as they were interested with money and votes only.

Dang..

After seeing what just happend and is currently happening.. I cannot keep stressing the fact that Metro Manila really needs a counter-flooding system.

The fact that they weren't prepared is one thing...

but how long is the Filipino going to continue getting screwed over just because of the greedy government officials?

Until our public servant's motto of "KUNG HINDI KAMI KIKITA, HINDI KAMI KIKILOS" is changed, nothing will happen.

Mahirap na siguro baguhin ang nakasanayan at para sa marami too much effort ang pag-akyat at pagbaba pa ng hagdan. May mga kilala ko nakapag-aral sa mga "premier universities" ng bansa pero ilang hakbang na lang nasa hagdan na ng footbridge mas pipiliin pa ring sa kalsada tumawid. "mas convenient" daw.


Hayaan mo sya. Pag nasapol sya ng sasakyan, malamig (na katawan) at "convenient" syang ihahatid sa (funeral) parlor para makapag retoke ng katawan.

tanong lang, yung bang mga nakatira along C5 road eh IS?

i dont know kung IS sila, pero yung mga bahay nila ay dikit-dikit?

Squatters sila.

i dont know kung IS sila, pero yung mga bahay nila ay dikit-dikit?

poor observation... ang mga urban houses sa New York at Tokyo dikit dikit din...

THis is flood control study of Metro Manila commisioned by JICA in 1989. The paranaque spillway alone will kill a politician just to secure the right of way.

http://www.nwin.nwrb.gov.ph/Prog&Proj/JICA/studies/flood_control/studies/15.htm

Flood control systems are supposed to drain water into the sea, but the Manggahan Floodway system drains water from the Marikina River into Laguna de Bay. What if the water level in Laguna de Bay is higher than that of the rivers. Thus the need for an alternative spillway. Kahit underground channel or through a pipe sana. Basta magawan ng paraan.

^^ Wala nang pag asa ang mga yan. Dapat ay paalisin at irelocate na sila.

Mayor Tinga, kaya mo ba to?

News said MMDA Chairman Bayani Fernando took responsibility of the recent flooding caused by tropical storm Ondoy. "As the man who takes charge of the flooding system of Metro Manila, he must've done something wrong to prevent the disaster", primetime news said.


^^I am impressed with what this guy had done and I admire his act of accountability. However this act of claiming resposiblity may be seen by some as a mere ploy to elicit sympathy for himself being that he is running for the presidency. But I for one will reserve my judgement of him until my doubts are satisfied as to the true intentions of his act. After all, this guy had done so much for MM than anyone previous him. Accepting responsibility is the first step, now I'm curious to know what he intends to do about the problem...I think what he will do after claiming resposibility is what people should really keep an eye on...

^^ He recently said in an interview with gma that all informal settlers along waterways displaced by Ondoy should not be allowed to return. He also said that prior attempts to expel informal settlers were met with resistance from rich and poor, labeling him and MMDA as anti-poor.

You can't really blame the guy for not being able to fully implement his vision. You have to work with metro manila mayors to get things done and these mayors maintain huge swaths of informal settlers to secure votes during elections. I find it even more disturbing how metro manila mayors have practiced complete silence during and after Ondoy. They know they are quilty in maintaining informal settlers along waterways, so they keep quiet to avoid accountability.

Wala pa sa metro manila taking accountability except Bayani Fernando. Ngayon naman itong Chiz "look-at-me-i'm-a-good-talker" Escudero wants Bayani to resign because apparently he is the ONLY one to blame for the flooding. All officials are accountable to certain degrees, especially HIM. Escudero has a serious case of verbal diarrhea, speaking before thinking.

^^ He recently said in an interview with gma that all informal settlers along waterways displaced by Ondoy should not be allowed to return. He also said that prior attempts to expel informal settlers were met with resistance from rich and poor, labeling him and MMDA as anti-poor.

You can't really blame the guy for not being able to fully implement his vision. You have to work with metro manila mayors to get things done and these mayors maintain huge swaths of informal settlers to secure votes during elections. I find it even more disturbing how metro manila mayors have practiced complete silence during and after Ondoy. They know they are quilty in maintaining informal settlers along waterways, so they keep quiet to avoid accountability.

Wala pa sa metro manila taking accountability except Bayani Fernando. Ngayon naman itong Chiz "look-at-me-i'm-a-good-talker" Escudero wants Bayani to resign because apparently he is the ONLY one to blame for the flooding. All officials are accountable to certain degrees, especially HIM. Escudero has a serious case of verbal diarrhea, speaking before thinking.

I for one do not make it a habit to caste blame or finger point until I am satisfied that someone is accountable for something bad that happened...It's a relief to know that atleast one person in the government is willing to take cr@p...I do not think Bayani is to blame for the the flood and I dont think anyone who is level headed and has some common sense would or should blame Bayani given the circumstances. Which is the reason why I pointed out how some people may think that it's a ploy. He has accepted responsibility for something that is he has very little control over if at all. By doing so he also set expectations to the people. Now he must satisfy these expectations so as not to be branded as someone who is merely doing a stunt to get attention, like what some of our so called politicans are doing including Escodero. I would very much dislike for that to happen.

As for Chiz, I think whatever curiousity I had with this young politician that was leaning towards the positive is now covered in cr@p that came out of his own mouth...tsk tsk tsk...he is giving a reason to think that he is no different than the rest of them.

^^^^ It's easy to pull a blame game and point finger on someone. There should be nobody is to be blamed by these. For all I care, whether that sewage system were adressed before, when it comes to mother nature any disaster can happen. Why can't they just do something now instead of blaming people , move on, pick up the pieces from this point instead. Technically, every human being or filipinos are to be blamed on these. Why held one person accountable over a mistake commited by the majority?

That was not the first time it rained hard in the Philippines, only this time, it's more than the other times, it's been 40s since the last worst flooding, even if there are good waterways such as levees in New Orleans during Katrina hurricane where the authorities in the US thinks its good enough what happened? it ended up breaching anyway, time and time will come that another worst disaster surpassing the last one along the way, what can we do? Ofcourse we plan ahead but sometimes no matter how much plan we have there is always these unexpacted and unforseen. There is always something new that comes up. So, what's the use of blaming someone? Just work together instead.

Why not make a spill way/flood control similar to Los Angeles? Kahit bihira umuulan nang malakas, but at least they are prepared. They learned their lesson long time ago.

Yung matatamaan sa construction, the government should proclaim the right of way, Its the benefit for the many.

aayusin din ng mmda yung mga nasirang pre fab concrete for sure

mga kapatid, by this time next year, everyone in Metro Manila, especially our filthy politicians will have forgotten the human misery brought forth by Ondoy. Amnesia among our politicians will cause them to forget the changes that must be implemented to prevent another flood induced disaster.

Fernando to run for Marikina mayor again; wife eyes Congress

by Gigi Muñoz David
METRO Manila Development Authority Chairman Bayani Fernando will return to Marikina instead of seeking a national post next year while his wife, a last- term mayor, moves to Congress

RP ready for tremors, not floods

By Delon Porcalla (The Philippine Star) Updated October 07, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Filipinos have always been taught what to do when an earthquake occurs, but are woefully unprepared to deal with floods such as the one brought by tropical storm “Ondoy,” which left nearly 300 people dead, a lawmaker said Monday.

Earthquake drills have always been held in schools and buildings, according to Muntinlupa City Rep. Ruffy Biazon. “Students were trained to do the duck, cover and hold, a simple earthquake survival procedure and the drills were even dramatically covered by media,” he said.

“But what is glaringly obvious now, after typhoon Ondoy deluged Metro Manila, is that the concerned government agencies have failed to prepare us for a calamity that actually happens every year – flooding,” Biazon added.

He said it is about time that the government address the issue of persistent flooding in Metro Manila and several provinces, perhaps due to the denudation of forests.

Biazon cited the flooding and landslides in Ginsaugon, Southern Leyte (February 2006); various provinces brought by Milenyo (July 2006) and Frank (June 2008); and the Northern Mindanao flooding last January.

“There were many other cases of unprecedented extreme flooding which were brought about by exceptionally high rainfall,” he said.

Biazon said while there is “absolutely nothing wrong with doing such preparations – in fact, we should be more alarmed if it’s not being done – there seems to be a gap in the disaster preparedness that the government is doing.”

“No one seems to have really taken seriously preparations against a flood calamity that visits us seasonally every year,” he added.

RP ready for tremors, not floods

By Delon Porcalla (The Philippine Star) Updated October 07, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Filipinos have always been taught what to do when an earthquake occurs, but are woefully unprepared to deal with floods such as the one brought by tropical storm “Ondoy,” which left nearly 300 people dead, a lawmaker said Monday.

Earthquake drills have always been held in schools and buildings, according to Muntinlupa City Rep. Ruffy Biazon. “Students were trained to do the duck, cover and hold, a simple earthquake survival procedure and the drills were even dramatically covered by media,” he said.

“But what is glaringly obvious now, after typhoon Ondoy deluged Metro Manila, is that the concerned government agencies have failed to prepare us for a calamity that actually happens every year – flooding,” Biazon added.

He said it is about time that the government address the issue of persistent flooding in Metro Manila and several provinces, perhaps due to the denudation of forests.

Biazon cited the flooding and landslides in Ginsaugon, Southern Leyte (February 2006); various provinces brought by Milenyo (July 2006) and Frank (June 2008); and the Northern Mindanao flooding last January.

“There were many other cases of unprecedented extreme flooding which were brought about by exceptionally high rainfall,” he said.

Biazon said while there is “absolutely nothing wrong with doing such preparations – in fact, we should be more alarmed if it’s not being done – there seems to be a gap in the disaster preparedness that the government is doing.”

“No one seems to have really taken seriously preparations against a flood calamity that visits us seasonally every year,” he added.


this is really a non-sense.

the rainfall came as unexpected an an earthquake would occur.

in both events 4 major items are required:

facilities to relocate dislocated people with sanitary facilities;
heavy equipment to move damaged infrastructure;
food water and medical equipment; and
someone to take charge.....not aspiring presidentiables and politicians doing their own thing.

how can anyone say we were only ready for an earthquake?

We may need a Mega Project like this:

Smart Tunnel (http://www.smarttunnel.com.my/)

Dual purpose, underground highway and drainage tunnel when there are floods.

The proposed Parañaque spillway can be a component of a C-6 extension project along Soledad Avenue.

I'm sure maiintindihan ng mga tao kung bakit kailangan ng Parañaque spillway. Ok yung model ng smart tunnel. After gawin yung tunnel, pwedeng ibenta ulit yung expropriated land sa ibabaw ng tunnel to pay for the expense.

Political will lang talaga ang kailangan. Atsaka wala dapat masyado tumuligsa sa pangungutang ng gobyerno. Mahirap na bansa tayo, marami tayong kinakain. Ayaw nating magdagdag ng buwis, ayaw din natin mangutang. Oo, totoo na may kurakot, pero on top of that kulang pa rin ang funds for the projects that the people are demanding. The government is caught in a bind!

^ sa picm ano yung nasa tuktuk, mas malaki pa sya sa luneta park ah.

this is the development supposedly around Quezon Institute. Supposed to be the seat of Government...:)

exactly! those hanging electric, phone, and cable wires are a mess! dapat ganito yan eh:

Step1: Build new decent residential areas w/ subcables instead of hanging the wires
Step2: Relocate squatters
Step3: Demolish the old ones
Step4: Sell the area for realtors for new developments
Step5: The cycle begins from step1

before even step 1

a. make a thorough urban plan of "megamanila"
b. identify the zones
for residential
residential class 1
residential class 2
residential class 3
residential class 4

for financial,
CBD 1
CBD 2
CBD 3

for industrial,
light industrial
medium industrial
heavy industrial

for transportation,
highways, road, arterials
railways,bridges and tunnel
airports and seaports, etc


After identifying these things and "other things', WE can start "changing", We'll proceed to your step 1.

i 'd like to take strong push regarding "Sustainability". We don't have to Build ,build, build,... we have to sustain!

Kailangan muna natin ng oil-fields para maging katotohanan yan.

I don't want to be the devil's advocate, but someone has to be. Dubai and Saudi Arabia don't have overpopulation problems, we do. MM's urban planning has to be linked with provincial welfare projects that provide livelihood for people in the provinces which might reduce Manila's overpopulation and get that sidewalk vendor owning a proper sari-sari store in his barrio, or in another burgeoning Filipino city.

The government could always establish projects (with the help of other countries or private enterprises) but there seems to be a fascination with Pinoys and being self-employed.

i agree! put up "future needs and wants" of the MM population in the periphery, then hoping people would "go there"...kung saan me development dun pumupunta ang tao...

then we can let MM breath for years...that "period" we can rebuild MegaManila.

:ohno: This is such a waste of fresh water. Terrible.

A big desert cooler...which is expensive to maintain! Most fo the water evaporates even before they land on the crops...been there watch that...

I hope Metro Manila would have a unique setting. Same simple clean lamp posts, same sidewalk colors and design... etc.

Rather than each city having its different ideas. Just take Roxas Blvd as a sample. It passes thru Paranaque, Pasay ang Manila. You will notice the different lamp posts that were used along the whole stretch.

They should have atleast gone for uniformity.

Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand have uniform fixtures around their Metro, unless it is a special spot.

Satin kasi iba ibang idea, iba ibang contructors, kanya kanyang corruption yan sa projects e.

Not just that, pag nag iba ang Mayor, sisirain ang gawa ng previous adminstration kahit good condition. Like what Lim is doing to Manila.

If everything were uniform, check and balances can be tracked easier. They would have similar sources so same prices. Mas controlled ang gawa.

The whole metro would look neater.

I think during Imalda's time, as the Governor of Manila, everything was pretty uniform.

i agree. you dont have to blow each others candle to make your won light shine. sayang ang pera, every election bagong model...

Thank you for that vote of confidence. LOL. :bash::bash:

@vegasvisitor: stay there in vegas...leave the thinking for megamanila to us!:lol::lol:

i am looking for a thread here in philippine ssc about storm drainage and flood control. can anyone give me a link? thanks

RP ready for tremors, not floods

By Delon Porcalla (The Philippine Star) Updated October 07, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Filipinos have always been taught what to do when an earthquake occurs, but are woefully unprepared to deal with floods such as the one brought by tropical storm “Ondoy,” which left nearly 300 people dead, a lawmaker said Monday.

Earthquake drills have always been held in schools and buildings, according to Muntinlupa City Rep. Ruffy Biazon. “Students were trained to do the duck, cover and hold, a simple earthquake survival procedure and the drills were even dramatically covered by media,” he said.

“But what is glaringly obvious now, after typhoon Ondoy deluged Metro Manila, is that the concerned government agencies have failed to prepare us for a calamity that actually happens every year – flooding,” Biazon added.

He said it is about time that the government address the issue of persistent flooding in Metro Manila and several provinces, perhaps due to the denudation of forests.

Biazon cited the flooding and landslides in Ginsaugon, Southern Leyte (February 2006); various provinces brought by Milenyo (July 2006) and Frank (June 2008); and the Northern Mindanao flooding last January.

“There were many other cases of unprecedented extreme flooding which were brought about by exceptionally high rainfall,” he said.

Biazon said while there is “absolutely nothing wrong with doing such preparations – in fact, we should be more alarmed if it’s not being done – there seems to be a gap in the disaster preparedness that the government is doing.”

“No one seems to have really taken seriously preparations against a flood calamity that visits us seasonally every year,” he added.


this is really a non-sense.

the rainfall came as unexpected an an earthquake would occur.

in both events 4 major items are required:

facilities to relocate dislocated people with sanitary facilities;
heavy equipment to move damaged infrastructure;
food water and medical equipment; and
someone to take charge.....not aspiring presidentiables and politicians doing their own thing.

how can anyone say we were only ready for an earthquake?

^^Agreed...flooding is a seasonal event, as are typhoons...But floods in this scale doesnt happen every year, in fact, last time it happened was 50 years ago. I would have sided with what Biazon had to say about the flood if only if only he made sense...It's like the Philippine having an 8.0 earthquake and leveling MM and Biazon yappin that the government failed to prepare us for a calamity that occurs every year...One would think that people in the government should know better than to open their mouths without thinking...:ohno:

i am looking for a thread here in philippine ssc about storm drainage and flood control. can anyone give me a link? thanks

here:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=570306&page=20

^^Agreed...flooding is a seasonal event, as are typhoons...But floods in this scale doesnt happen every year, in fact, last time it happened was 50 years ago. I would have sided with what Biazon had to say about the flood if only if only he made sense...It's like the Philippine having an 8.0 earthquake and leveling MM and Biazon yappin that the government failed to prepare us for a calamity that occurs every year...One would think that people in the government should know better than to open their mouths without thinking...:ohno:

yun na nga.. Sisi pa ng sisi.. wala rin pa nagawa..
As if ba na kaya nating pigilan ang hagupit ng kalikasan.. :ohno:

Even sa US nga nung Hurricane Katrina.. hindi nila expected na ganun ang mangyayari... later they found may faulty design pala sa flood control infrastructure nila...

Unfortunately,if we listened to our architects and engineers instead of our politicians, damage to life and infra would have been minimized.I think we need to be less of a politicized people to create a better society for our children.

^^ He recently said in an interview with gma that all informal settlers along waterways displaced by Ondoy should not be allowed to return. He also said that prior attempts to expel informal settlers were met with resistance from rich and poor, labeling him and MMDA as anti-poor.

You can't really blame the guy for not being able to fully implement his vision. You have to work with metro manila mayors to get things done and these mayors maintain huge swaths of informal settlers to secure votes during elections. I find it even more disturbing how metro manila mayors have practiced complete silence during and after Ondoy. They know they are quilty in maintaining informal settlers along waterways, so they keep quiet to avoid accountability.

Wala pa sa metro manila taking accountability except Bayani Fernando. Ngayon naman itong Chiz "look-at-me-i'm-a-good-talker" Escudero wants Bayani to resign because apparently he is the ONLY one to blame for the flooding. All officials are accountable to certain degrees, especially HIM. Escudero has a serious case of verbal diarrhea, speaking before thinking.


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Chiz Escudero is just a political shit... wala naman cyang ginawa kung hindi mangkrito at maghanap ng butas against sa mga kalaban nya s politika.. puro siya dakdak.. e kung tumulong nlang kaya siya pagformulate ng possible solution s problema s baha s metro manila..

Isa sa mga sinisisi sa pagbaha ay ang mga construction at mga informal settler sa mga tabing ilog.. e sinu ba ang nagbibigay ng permit dun diba ang mayor..

Chiz Escudero wants BF to resign.. ilan na ang naging MMDA chairman pero only BF had the great accomplishment. kitang kita naman ang pagbabago sa mga lansangan lalo na sa commonwealth avenue, napakalaki ng pinagbago..
hindi man totally nagbago but atleast may malaking pinagbago at may posibilidad pa na maraming maayos at mabago..

I suggest an immediate review and updating of the Comprehensive Land Use Plan (CLUP) and existing Zoning Ordinances of Markina, Pasg, and Cainta. Make that all LGUs affected by any life threatening floods.

We have to strike while the iron is hot. If and when an impending review and updating of the CLUP will be on the works, there should active citizen participation in the public consultation process.

If the LGU is not doing anything to update the CLUP, then I suggest a citizen's initiative to have the CLUP updated.

Wow, I never thought a "planning democracy" could possibly come this soon...

Urban-devt programs’ review up
Business Mirror
Written by Estrella Torres & Butch Fernandez / Reporters
http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/top-news/16915-urban-devt-programs-review-up.html

MALACAÑANG has ordered a comprehensive review of urban planning and development programs that will integrate disaster-risk reduction measures amid threats of more flash floods and fierce typhoons as part of the impact of climate change.

Presidential Deputy Spokesman Anthony Golez admitted on Monday that local governments were remiss in the urban planning and development programs that led to massive flooding in Metro Manila and Rizal when storm Ondoy dumped record rainfall on September 26.

At the same time, Sen. Francis Escudero prodded government authorities to revisit earthquake-preparedness plans for Metro Manila, particularly in areas traversed by the West Valley fault, also known as the Marikina fault line.

“Even as we try to cope with the devastation caused by Ondoy, let us not make the fatal mistake of forgetting that dire warnings have been made regarding a possible big quake in Metro Manila,” Escudero said.

The senator aired the warning after at least 1,100 people were killed by two successive earthquakes in Sumatra, Indonesia, on Wednesday and Thursday last week.

He cited a 2002 study funded by the Japanese government which, he said, showed that “if a 7 to 9 magnitude quake triggered by the West Valley fault line hits Metro Manila today, it could be unlike any tragedy seen or imagined in Metro Manila.”

According to Escudero, the Metropolitan Manila Earthquake Impact Reduction Study includes 100 actions plans that would mitigate the impact on areas expected to suffer most from the projected quake.

“We need not reinvent the wheel. Let us see what our resources are and find out how we can address the concerns raised in the study. Our people have suffered more than enough from ad-hoc governance,” the senator added.

He said a worst-case scenario in the study says that up to 35,000 Metro Manila residents would likely be killed and over 3 million others displaced by a big quake. It also projects that tens of thousands of homes and buildings would collapse from the temblor.

The West Valley fault line is one of three cutting across Metro Manila. The two others are the Manila Bay and Manila Trench fault lines.

The last big earthquake that hit Metro Manila and the rest of central and northern Luzon in July 1990 killed 1,700 people. Reports also said the intensity 7.7 quake hurt 3,000 persons and displaced 148,000 people. Property and infrastructure damage was placed at $2 billion.

‘Failures there for years’

Meanwhile, Golez said failures in effective urban planning were already there for many years. He emphasized the need for remedial measures on urban planning.

“[But] the [problems in] urban planning...[were] not invented by the present or the sitting mayor or the sitting local officials. It has been there from the very start. So it’s hard to put the blame on anybody as of the moment,” said Golez in a press briefing on Monday.

“One very important ingredient in coming out with an urban-planning and development [plan] would be putting into consideration disaster risk-reduction measures,” he said, adding that local policies and ordinances must now integrate specific measures on disaster-risk reduction.

Golez, meanwhile, said the government would also strengthen measures to ensure sustainable environment, particularly on the approved mining and logging projects to prevent extensive catastrophes due to typhoons.

He said any decisions of the national and local governments in scrapping mining and logging operations should be based on the state’s policy to implement safe mining practices.

Golez said President Arroyo has ordered government agencies, particularly the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority, to facilitate massive cleanup and rehabilitation works of Metro Manila, Rizal and the Northern Luzon provinces devasted by Typhoon Pepeng.

Meanwhile, the Nacionalista Party (NP), led by its standard-bearer Sen. Manny Villar, raised the need to seriously establish a comprehensive climate-change adaptation program that will prepare the country for the catastrophic impact of typhoons, flash floods and drought.

The NP conducted rescue operations last weekend after Typhoon Ondoy submerged Metro Manila and Rizal that killed close to 300 and affected 600,000.

NP spokesman and former Cavite representative Gilbert Remulla said while the government and concerned citizens have been widely engaged in relief operations to alleviate the miseries of displaced families in evacuation sites, a more strategic and comprehensive response must be put in place.

NP officials and youth volunteers are now focused on providing relief assistance to victims of Ondoy, particularly in the hard-to-reach areas in Cainta, Pasig and Marikina and Rizal province and other affected areas. The NP is likewise poised to provide assistance in the Northern Luzon provinces hit by Super Typhon Pepeng.

Remulla said the extent of devastation of typhoon Ondoy should teach us lessons to urgently establish climate change-mitigation and adaptation programs to ensure that there would be no more casualties and lesser damages to crops and properties.

He added that the Philippines experiences an average of 10-12 typhoons every year and belongs to the countries that sit on the Pacific Ring of fire where frequent earthquakes and volcanic eruptions occur.

The NP official cited the latest findings of the United Nations Environment Programme (Unep) that the pace and scale of climate change are now outstripping science predictions as the impact are coming sooner and faster.

The preliminary findings from the new World Bank study on the Economics of Climate Change, meanwhile, estimates that the costs of adaptation to climate change by developing countries will reach $100 billion a year for the period 2010 to 2050.

Philippine experts said the government would need an estimated P3 billion to P7 billion annual budget to implement climate change-adaptation programs to ensure sufficient agriculture products supply for the rest of the population.

Hmm, hopefully this is not all lip service, the CLUPs must immediately be up for revisions

Unfortunately,if we listened to our architects and engineers instead of our politicians, damage to life and infra would have been minimized.I think we need to be less of a politicized people to create a better society for our children.

Agree!

Flooding of this proportion has also struck India and Vietnam. It seems that the problem is more of a Climate-Change issue. Weather around the world is now becoming more extreme because of it. Hotter summers and heavier rainfalls for all of us.

We should all be more conscious of it... Let's start being more Environmantally conscious :-)

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MY PROJECTS THAT I WANT TO INPROVE

yan po ang mga channels na nagdidirect sa Laguna Lake and From the Mountains from Rizal

i will call my proposed project.... "MM MegaChannel Project..." PANGET:lol:

WHITE PART
~ tatanggalin natin ang mga squatters... then pa luluwagin ang channel... after this.. tataasan natin ung height nito by digging more land on below it... then pouring concrete on the sides

BLUE PART
~ same as part 1

YELLOW PART

~ kita nyo ung paliko-likong river...???? tutuwirin natin yan... then pa tataasan natin ung height nito by digging more land on below it... then pouring concrete on the sides like in the part 1.... :)


BLACK PART

~ kung titingnan nyo sa Google Earth.... masyado siyang makipot.... gawa ng mga squatters... kaya paluluwagin natin yan then tataasan natin ung height nito by digging more land on below it... then pouring concrete on the sides (again :lol:)

GREEN PART

~ gawa tayo ng river / channel na didirect sa from La Mesa Dam to Manila Bay.....

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SAMA KO NA RIN ANG SOUTH PART NG LAGUNA LAKE (OT) :)

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THE WHITE PARTS

GAGAWA TAYO NG CHANNEL OR DIKE NA ANG DADAANAN AY PARTS NG LAGUNA TO TAAL LAKE BY THIS CITIES

Calamba.... Canlubang (which Calamba also) parts of Tagaytay to Talisay Batangas then to Taal Lake


after this sa part ng Batangas merong ditong river na didiretso papuntang Sea... un ang gagamiting Exit ng mga galing sa Laguna at Taal Lake... parang gagawa na rin tayo ng Dike... from Taal Lake....

ewan ko kung pwede ito... pero ang mahalaga mabawasan ang flooding sa Manila.... ito lang ang naisip ko kasi wla nang choice puro na kasi kabahayan ang makikita sa MM eh... kaya ito na lang :)

^^That would be nice. By year 2050 pwede na siguro matupad yan. Kasi ang priority dapat ng National & local Government ngayon ay I-CLEAR LAHAT NG SQUATTERS. As in lahat, walng ititira. Tapos ang mga estero dapat malinis na rin. Then fulfill/work on Paranaque Spillway. Ayun, sigurado yan, mababawasan ng malaki ang baha sa Metro Manila. Kung kulang pa rin tska isunod ang mga mega-projects na yan. In the end political will pa rin ang susi para mangyari lahat yan.

^^ mukhang mahirap yatang mangyari yan.

remember that the area between Laguna De Bay and Taal Lake is quite mountainous. mataas yung Silang-Tagaytay area bukod sa ganun din yung topography ng Calamba (yung areas lang na malapit sa Laguna De Bay ang flat pero yung areas na malapit sa Mount Makiling at yung papunta sa Santo Tomas, Batangas at sa Canlubang ay medyo mataas at mabundok na) kaya parang suntok sa buwan na magkaroon ka ng channel/canal connecting Laguna De Bay with that of Taal Lake.

ang gusto ko sanang gawin ay yung i-reclaim yung mga nawawalang estero dito sa Metro Manila bukod sa PALAYASIN nang tuluyan (which means dapat nang i-repeal ang Lina Law) ang informal settlers sa mga estero, mga ilog at iba pang waterways. as long as nawawala yung mga estero at barado ng mga informal settlers ang mga waterways natin bukod pa sa saksakan nang salaula ang karamihan natin pagdating sa pagtatapon ng basura, hindi mawawala ang baha dito sa atin sa Metro Manila.

It's all about the population, period. Manila's population is way way above the system's capacity to absorb garbage, provide for clean water, etc. No amount of infrastructure can change that.

Here's my proposal...

Nationalize all church-owned assets/land in the Phils (wait how did they acquire those anyway?)

Institute a policy of no-tax/no-vote. Make ITR a necessary documentation to register

Implement drastic population control measures like free vasectomies, free condoms.

Resettle squatters out of manila... If they resist, shoot the M**fck*rs

Let's stop being apologists for these squatters, they decided to go to manila, breed crime, do not contribute to progress, clog the rivers and creeks with their garbage and then have the gall to expect that they be given the same rights (never mind the hand-out mentality) as us taxpayers. Enough is enough. What we need is a reverse social revolution - One based on the Darwinian realities of this world.

That's how nations like the US rose to power, 'coz they were willing to exterminate the local indigenous population that frankly, didn't have the innate ability to advance their civilization. Enough of this liberal BS love-fest.