Metropolitan Manila Development Authority (MMDA) [Archive] - Page 6

greenshields

July 19th, 2008, 02:41 AM

Saw the news last night on TV featuring the CAMANAVA project. Politicians in Malabon are blaming the DPWH and the MMDA when it was quite obvious that even with the completion of the flood control project, it will fail because of the tons of garbage thrown into the river. The Malabon mayor even tried to deny that people living near the river are to blame saying that cities upstream of the river also dump their garbage. What he didn't want to say was that he was dependent on the informal settlers and others caught on TV dumping waste into the river. Boto kasi ang mga iyun kaya hindi niya mapaalis, hehe.

The MMDA should also have a drive here using strategies that transformed the Marikina River from a similar sorry state to a showcase that it is now. The Riverbanks area there is surely a far cry from what it was before and it's a nice target for a city like Malabon.

Maxxclip

July 19th, 2008, 02:41 AM

isa sa mga pinaka-naappreciate kong beautification ng MMDA ay yung widening project nila sa kahabaan ng Magsasay especially dun sa may simbahan along post office (malapit sa Altura)

nayki

July 19th, 2008, 07:43 PM

Mukhang parami na nang parami ang mga Bus Lines na nagalalagay ng BAYANI sa mga windshields nila around Metro Manila:colgate:

jefflacs

July 20th, 2008, 02:21 AM

^^ hinde kaya dahil sa pinilit sila or may kapalit? :lol:

nayki

July 20th, 2008, 07:08 AM

Hindi naman siguro... Malaki talaga supporta ng ibang transport kay Bayani dahil sa mga program nya sa MMDA.

Porknight

July 20th, 2008, 07:57 AM

I agree, we need more more and more trees around the metro. Take a look at this sidewalks taken from the parade grounds (Stotsenburg park) of Clark:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3295/2619700030_4087eceb52.jpg

Kung marami tayong gayan around Metro Manila, we will have a capital city equally beautiful as Singapore. (Matuto lang sana magtapon ng mga basura ang mga Filipino sa tamang paraan.)

beatiful

orangejuice

July 23rd, 2008, 12:13 PM

UP Diliman already has a pedestrian and biker friendly academic oval. Pag Sunday nga carless pa yata. That can be a concept worth adapting to different areas in the Metro.

Buti naman kung ganun. Kasi mahal na ng IKOT/TOKI U.P. jeepney etc. fares ngayon, i heard nasa Php 8.50 na raw? Eh dati naabutan ko pa Php 1.50 - 2.00 like 8 years ago lang yun.....kawawa mga commuters lalo students kahit me student discount pa rin sila, bigat pa rin sa bulsa. So alternative, magbisikleta na lang! Or maglakad kung sobrang layo pupuntahan!

amigo32

July 23rd, 2008, 01:41 PM

Having seen the U-turn scheme in the area around Libis, I thought it was a waste of time and money, instead of making a left turn, one has to drive pass the intended turn so one can make a U-turn. It is backtracking but perhaps not as bad as waiting in stalled traffic. I did not see any operating traffic lights in the area but a lot of U-turn areas. On my last trip we were on a snail crawl because of the under-construction C5 U-turn scheme.

Are you sure you want to wait 30 min. to 1 hour instead of using U-turn?

greenshields

July 24th, 2008, 03:03 AM

Buti naman kung ganun. Kasi mahal na ng IKOT/TOKI U.P. jeepney etc. fares ngayon, i heard nasa Php 8.50 na raw? Eh dati naabutan ko pa Php 1.50 - 2.00 like 8 years ago lang yun.....kawawa mga commuters lalo students kahit me student discount pa rin sila, bigat pa rin sa bulsa. So alternative, magbisikleta na lang! Or maglakad kung sobrang layo pupuntahan!

The IKOT/TOKI fare is usually lower than the minimum fare because the routes are only about 3km each. But I hear the UP Mountaineers have a bicycle rental project for students. It's called Padyak and 500 pesos for a bike for a whole sem. Okay na yun sa budget ng students.

Eriq

July 24th, 2008, 06:16 AM

The IKOT/TOKI fare is usually lower than the minimum fare because the routes are only about 3km each. But I hear the UP Mountaineers have a bicycle rental project for students. It's called Padyak and 500 pesos for a bike for a whole sem. Okay na yun sa budget ng students.

Maganda sana kung mag-implement ng bike share program ang UP. Pero baka lang nakawen...

RonnieR

July 24th, 2008, 07:44 AM

I passed by this morning at C5 Kalayaan. Saw the workers doing the finishing touches of the elevated U-turn. There are no lamp posts yet.

amigo32

July 25th, 2008, 10:18 AM

Sa Bicutan kanina, birthday celebration ata, merong kainan mga taga MMDA
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/cbuilt/DSC00068.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/cbuilt/DSC00067.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/cbuilt/DSC00066-1.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/cbuilt/DSC00065.jpg

greenshields

July 25th, 2008, 11:41 AM

Yup. I saw similar tarps on pedestrian overpasses in the Quezon City area. Birthday yata ni BF today, July 25. I'm sure there's a celebration in Marikina and the MMDA HQ in Makati. Incidentally, nakalagay na bumabati sa tarps ay mga jeepney and tricycle groups like Pasang Mazda and the different TODA's.

Porknight

July 25th, 2008, 08:54 PM

Wow I love to see that they are doing good stuffs for the pedestrians , but they really should no put all these images of GMA in everything they do .
Its so third world dictatorship country , If they want to do it fine but atleast they should do it well make a good statue because these images that they are putting are very very unaesthetic.

greenshields

July 26th, 2008, 03:04 AM

Actually, if GMA is really not planning to stay beyond 2010, then there's no point putting her image in all those projects. She's got nothing to lose then and everything to gain even without her image on billboards or tarps associated with various projects. In a way, ginagatungan lang niya mga opposition. She has this chance to also set an example for other politicos.

medviation

July 26th, 2008, 04:12 AM

You know, MM would really be beautiful if all those thick, black and scary spider webs (electric lines) would be underground.

crappypants

July 26th, 2008, 04:13 AM

and clean sidewalks and surroundings would instantly make us rich.

adverg

July 26th, 2008, 04:53 AM

Kaya natin kung gugustuhin lang nating umasenso.

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tigidig14

July 26th, 2008, 04:56 AM

Porknight

July 26th, 2008, 09:41 AM

greenshields

July 27th, 2008, 05:34 AM

Therein lies the problem of PGMA, hehe.

amigo32

July 28th, 2008, 11:08 AM

Therein lies the problem of PGMA, hehe.

Manghuhula ka ba?:lol:

absinthe_888

July 28th, 2008, 03:42 PM

from Jarius Bondoc's column at PHILSTAR
http://philstar.com/index.php?Opinion&p=49&type=2&sec=25&aid=20080727114

On the road to the Batasan, take note of Metro Manila Development Authority chairman Bayani Fernando’s work. Many call it madness.

Commonwealth Avenue is supposed to be the country’s widest, with eight lanes on each side, and sidewalks and a median with shady trees and flowering shrubs. The shades and flowers have been ditched. BF spent the money instead to cut three-lane U-turns where unneeded. This constricted the national road not to five lanes but only three, because adjacent to the U-turn slots are BF’s pink-colored, fenced-off jeepney stops.

The outermost of three U-turn lanes have been eliminated, cemented with shin-high perimeters. They’re unnecessary anyway, according to BF, because U-turning jeepneys and buses need to eat into the second or third lane. Engineer BF forgets that the extra-wide turning radius is because the old vehicles from Japan are unsafe because retrofitted with inapt gearboxes. His job as metropolitan chief is to weed out such rolling coffins.

The dead lanes have been gathering rainwater, breeding ponds for dengue mosquitoes. BF had a swift solution. He ordered gravel and soil poured in. If talk was true, he might have spent last weekend prettifying the mess with greens for today’s SONA, but later will just cement them all over.

BF justifies his U-turn slots as necessary traffic chokers. Because Commonwealth is so wide, drivers tend to over-speed; at least one pedestrian or motorist is killed everyday, more maimed. BF’s ingenious answer was the hazardous cemented barriers astride fenced jeepney lanes. Cars must now suddenly swerve or screech to rolling stops. The last time people heard, the sane engineering solutions would have been to paint lane markers, build more pedestrian overpasses, and arrest speedsters.

The public works office spent P800 million to widen Commonwealth, Rep. Roilo Golez laments, only to have BF destroy it. USec. Ramon Aquino swore they never gave BF permission to pave the U-turn slots, yet he did anyway. The House oversight committee is girding to condemn him for it and similar damage on Ninoy Aquino Road fronting Manila International Airport in Parañaque.

“We heard that BF has told off the MRT builders on Commonwealth to not touch his U-turn slots,” Golez says. “Designs had to be redrawn and additional costs will be incurred, just to preserve his folly.”

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greenshields

July 30th, 2008, 01:11 AM

MMDA Chair BF is currently on Magic 89.9. He mentioned he's still running for president in 2010.

johnmizer

July 31st, 2008, 01:17 AM

bakit police oyster ang tawag sa kanila, jologs ba kapag metro aide? =D

amigo32

July 31st, 2008, 12:01 PM

baka dahil tinatapon ang mga oysters pag may clearing:D j/k

le Reine

August 1st, 2008, 05:52 AM

parang lumala ata yung baha sa EDSA lalo na sa Magallanes at Pasong Tamo ah! Akala ko ba mas mababa na ngayon?

absinthe_888

August 1st, 2008, 02:56 PM

parang lumala ata yung baha sa EDSA lalo na sa Magallanes at Pasong Tamo ah! Akala ko ba mas mababa na ngayon?

Grabeh nga baha kahapon, napakatrapik eh. waterworld sa dela rosa at washington streets:lol:

RonnieR

August 2nd, 2008, 11:54 AM

Guys, the new C5 Kalayaan elevated U turn is now open....just passed by this afternoon....since it is a Saturday, I can't really say if traffic has greatly improved but it's better compared to last week. I didn't bring my camera, so no picture. My speed at the curve was 30km.

greenshields

August 2nd, 2008, 03:58 PM

The traffic along Kalayaan was hell Friday night. All vehicles now turn right to C5 from Makati. Those who used to turn left have to take the U-turn overpass. I think today's traffic was better but doesn't reflect the weekday peak period experience. Bago pa lang naman so maybe people will be forced to change their travel preferences in as far as routes are concerned. Bad news for the Fort though because people who used to pass Kalayaan will probably use Fort roads and that narrow bridge across Market! Market! might not be able to handle the traffic.

habagatcentral1

August 4th, 2008, 04:29 AM

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/3/photos/214/600x600/12/Ubelt00022.jpg?et=OQdgtDNIl4SBr3hG4elSPQ&nmid=108728328
Probably a century old house newly painted by MMDA...Along Recto Avenue-UBelt area

diz

August 4th, 2008, 04:46 AM

looks uglier.

chito

August 4th, 2008, 07:55 AM

Para sa mga Bus Drivers na matitigas ang ulo :bash:

MMDA to bodily remove erring drivers from buses (http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Metro&p=49&type=2&sec=26&aid=20080803100)
By Michael Punongbayan
Monday, August 4, 2008

Metro Manila Development Authority (MMDA) Chairman Bayani Fernando has granted traffic enforcers the power to bodily remove bull-headed drivers from their buses, which will be impounded until all fines and penalties are settled.

He has also authorized traffic personnel to drive the buses to an impounding yard.

“If the driver does not respond to hand signals, get into the bus and carry the driver out,” Fernando said.

He issued the authorization in reaction to reports that some bus drivers continue to violate traffic rules and regulations, particularly by overstaying in loading and unloading bays, thus causing traffic buildups.

Fernando said during the MMDA’s weekly radio program yesterday that he made this move because “there really are drivers who blatantly” disobey traffic rules.

He said he has told Traffic Enforcement Group (TEG) chief Bobby Esquivel to make use of such measures if needed.

Esquivel, in an earlier interview, said bodily removing bus drivers from their vehicles will be a last resort if all other means fail.

Esquivel, who also heads the MMDA’s Sidewalk Clearing Operations Group (SCOG), has been leading the agency’s intensified drive against erring motorists and unregistered vehicles, which he said has resulted in improved traffic situations in major thoroughfares like Edsa.

bitoy

August 4th, 2008, 08:40 AM

Para sa mga Bus Drivers na matitigas ang ulo :bash:

MMDA to bodily remove erring drivers from buses (http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Metro&p=49&type=2&sec=26&aid=20080803100)
By Michael Punongbayan
Monday, August 4, 2008

Metro Manila Development Authority (MMDA) Chairman Bayani Fernando has granted traffic enforcers the power to bodily remove bull-headed drivers from their buses, which will be impounded until all fines and penalties are settled.

He has also authorized traffic personnel to drive the buses to an impounding yard.

“If the driver does not respond to hand signals, get into the bus and carry the driver out,” Fernando said.
He issued the authorization in reaction to reports that some bus drivers continue to violate traffic rules and regulations, particularly by overstaying in loading and unloading bays, thus causing traffic buildups.

Fernando said during the MMDA’s weekly radio program yesterday that he made this move because “there really are drivers who blatantly” disobey traffic rules.

He said he has told Traffic Enforcement Group (TEG) chief Bobby Esquivel to make use of such measures if needed.

Esquivel, in an earlier interview, said bodily removing bus drivers from their vehicles will be a last resort if all other means fail.

Esquivel, who also heads the MMDA’s Sidewalk Clearing Operations Group (SCOG), has been leading the agency’s intensified drive against erring motorists and unregistered vehicles, which he said has resulted in improved traffic situations in major thoroughfares like Edsa.

:ohno: Gulo ang mangyayari diyan! Eh minsan, yung mga MMDA pa ang mas nang gugulo!, Bayani should discipline his men first before he overpowered any erring drivers.

juandecervantes

August 4th, 2008, 11:48 AM

^^
oo nga. lalabag pa ang mga operator ng mga bus....“If the driver does not respond to hand signals, get into the bus and carry the driver out,” Fernando said. <--Ano to? GTA: Vice City? :lol:Sana mas mabigat ang multa (hmmm..P20,000?) para wala ng away.

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/3/photos/214/600x600/12/Ubelt00022.jpg?et=OQdgtDNIl4SBr3hG4elSPQ&nmid=108728328
Probably a century old house newly painted by MMDA...Along Recto Avenue-UBelt area
looks uglier
May "Metro Gwapo" pa sa paint job. Sobra yun.kung tinanggal nila yan sna, mas mabuti,.
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‘Sculpted’ murals give new look to Edsa walls

By DJ Yap
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 20:57:00 07/26/2008

“STONE MURALS” DEPICTING the many faces of urban life now adorn some of the fading walls and nondescript fences on the stretch of Edsa and other places, in another effort by the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority to beautify the Metro’s landscape.

Made of modeling clay and fiberglass, and cast in cement, the panels show people from all walks of city life: A construction worker, a businesswoman with a briefcase, a small girl carrying balloons.

“We consider these as sculptural decorations, but not ‘art’ that’s one of a kind because it’s pre-cast (and not sculpted individually),” said Jojo Pinga, a consultant of MMDA Chair Bayani Fernando, who oversaw the project.

“But in a sense, it’s also art because it’s pleasing to the eye,” Pinga, who designed the mold to create the pieces, said in an interview.

Apart from the wall art on Edsa close to the Guadalupe market and the MMDA main offices in Makati City, different versions of the mural panels can be seen at Camp Atienza at the end of C-5, and areas surrounding Malacañang Palace.

At Camp Atienza, the murals, painted white, depict soldiers in helmets and tanks in keeping with the military nature of the place, said Pinga.

But everywhere else, the characters are mostly blue-collar workers, he added.

The inspiration came from Fernando, who wanted to make a statement about the value of hard work.

“The chairman wants the murals to symbolize productivity. He wants Filipinos to understand the importance of being productive and industrious,” Pinga said.

He added that they plan to install more of the sculpted murals to cover up blank or otherwise ugly walls and fences around the metropolis.

“It will give texture to the look of Metro Manila and replace the eyesores, especially on Edsa,” Pinga said.

MMDA General Manager Robert Nacianceno said the murals, being solid and permanent, are going to become aesthetic fixtures in Metro Manila.

He said the agency was in talks with an association of Filipino sculptors about the prospects of developing the concept further, and creating authentic sculptures to be installed around the metropolis.

absinthe_888

August 4th, 2008, 05:50 PM

From Batanes to Jolo, BF posters soon to sprout

By Michael Punongbayan
Tuesday, August 5, 2008
http://philstar.com/index.php?Headlines&p=49&type=2&sec=24&aid=20080804162

His posters are going beyond the confines of Metro Manila, and can now be seen on street corners from Batanes to Jolo.

Metropolitan Manila Development Authority (MMDA) chairman Bayani Fernando has new tarpaulins featuring a new photograph – with his index finger pointed straight at you.

Known as the “pink panther” with a very Filipino manner of speaking when it comes to public service announcements, Fernando said his new posters will soon be seen all over the Philippines.

He said his people, who are working for him personally and are not MMDA employees, have begun putting up BF tarpaulins in Northern Luzon provinces.

“Mga batas ay solusyon, dapat alamin at sundin (Laws are the solution, learn them and obey them),” one poster reads.

“Pantay-pantay kung may disiplina (There is equality when there is discipline),” says another.

Fernando however strongly denied allegations that he is using public funds of the MMDA to further his own political plans, and said he has his own people going around the country who are not MMDA personnel.

He also defended his various posters dotting the city landscape, saying he is only “promoting order” unlike others who are endorsing beauty products.

Fernando, who has been very vocal about his plan to run for president in 2010 under the Lakas–Christian Muslim Democrats (CMD) party, said he cannot be accused of early campaigning because there is no such thing in the first place.

“It’s a personal advocacy. It’s the same advocacy (we are promoting in the MMDA.) There’s nothing wrong with that, anybody can have his own advocacy,” he told The STAR.

“I’m not endorsing any beauty product, I am endorsing ‘kaayusan’ (order),” emphasized Fernando, who is said to have earned the ire of the poor but praise from the middle class because of his strong advocacy for law and order.

The MMDA chair has been going around the country the past months for speaking engagements and other activities, even just plain visits “to test the waters.”

According to him, he has been gaining popularity and is still the only Lakas-CMD party member who has declared interest in the upcoming presidential elections.

In Metro Manila, posters with his photograph showing him holding his chin and looking very serious are being criticized as early campaign material.

Joking that his very own mother told him he is not at all good looking, Fernando defended the materials as serious public service announcements by a very serious man of law and order.

“Some are asking why is there a picture. There is a picture to attract attention,” he said, adding that his photograph has indeed caught the attention of many.

Fernando said sending out the message that the MMDA is very serious in instilling discipline in the metropolis would not be that effective if his tarpaulins show his smiling face.

IndioBravo

August 4th, 2008, 10:42 PM

^^I do hope MMDA hires a decent urban planner to help them beautify the metro.Huwag sanang "Tira Pasok" attitude:) Baka mag mukha na kasi tayong
"Metro Jologs":)

diz

August 4th, 2008, 11:13 PM

pink panther... so he's a pimp?

IMO, if his face is on the poster, then they have to go. (thumbs down)

Also, I'd like to see those murals on EDSA. Post please :D (two thumbs up)

Good job, BF

spearhead

August 5th, 2008, 02:07 AM

"Metro Gwapo" projects should include the burrying of "hanging wires". And painting those historical houses/establishments are not the answer, sinisira lang nila ang original paints, instead they should preserve these old houses.

Porknight

August 5th, 2008, 02:09 AM

^^I do hope MMDA hires a decent urban planner to help them beautify the metro.Huwag sanang "Tira Pasok" attitude:) Baka mag mukha na kasi tayong
"Metro Jologs":)

Yes because as now they need it badly , especially the need one to design overpass !

kalbongdad

August 5th, 2008, 05:27 AM

habagatcentral1

August 5th, 2008, 05:44 AM

What will it be beyond 2010, post-Bayani era? What will become of MMDA?

RonnieR

August 5th, 2008, 06:09 AM

let bayani do his work.....we may not be able to grasp what he is doing now....that the work is unfinished who knows baka pagnatapos na mabigla na lang tayo sa metro gwapo.... siguro naman all of you will agree that there has been a big improvement in the metro.....yung mga pulitiko na gusto lang magpa gwapo at bf's expense wag na natin pansinin....

Thanks to Bayani....C5 Kalayaan traffic has improved. This morning, my travel was smooth, it only took me 20 minutes from Ortigas to The Fort via C5.....I think the elevated U-turn really helps.

Porknight

August 5th, 2008, 07:11 AM

I wasn't saying that what he is doing its bad , some of MMDA work look just too cheap and not really that beautiful that's all . On the other hand its helping a lot .

sandman.ink

August 5th, 2008, 09:26 AM

pass by kalayaan c5 road today.
I feel the u turn radius and the two lane road is too small for a fast maneuvering. :down:

u turn approach
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3052/2654736253_da609d2068.jpg?v=0

u turn bridge
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3186/2655591032_14d95560b4.jpg?v=0

e di wag bilisan ang takbo...at least iwas disgrasya.

how fast be ang maximum speed for the U-turn? if around 50-60 kph, ok na din

amigo32

August 5th, 2008, 09:34 AM

I wasn't saying that what he is doing its bad , some of MMDA work look just too cheap and not really that beautiful that's all . On the other hand its helping a lot .

and who would want an ugly, too cheap infrastructures if we have that damn money to spend?

leechtat

August 5th, 2008, 09:46 AM

Yes because as now they need it badly , especially the need one to design overpass !

^^ maybe those ugly pink overpass is just the first step of the process... after some of the other projects are done, they may be able to turn to aesthetics, beautifying their work... function then aesthetics. imho.

sandman.ink

August 5th, 2008, 10:35 AM

What will it be beyond 2010, post-Bayani era? What will become of MMDA?

maglilipana na ulit ang sidewalk vendors...squatters will relocate again under bridges...wow...the horror...pero, mwawala na din ang mga fish ponds in the middle of the streets. hahaha

im not really a bayani guy...but he's a guy of extreme measures, pero a large part of Metro Manila has become "Gotham like", so extreme measures are needed...chaotic na masyado and many dismiss rules as mere formality. Nung nakatikim ng disiplina ang MM, nanibago pa...hehehe...

IndioBravo

August 5th, 2008, 11:42 PM

le Reine

August 6th, 2008, 12:03 AM

^^Yes. In fairness to the guy, EDSA is much much cleaner now compared to the previous years. Aside from that, I've noticed that there were small trees planted along major roads. That's nice. I hope they will continue on that. However, I have yet to see a comprehensive solution to the perennial flooding in MM, although I understand that the MMDA also has to deal with DPWH regarding this matter.

le Reine

August 6th, 2008, 12:44 AM

I don't know where to put it so I think it would be more appropriate here. Tell me what's wrong and disappointing here, and who seems to be the stupid one. :bash:

(UPDATE) Gov’t: Air quality from '03 to '07 improved 33% (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20080805-152783/UPDATE-Govt-Air-quality-from-03-to-07-improved-33)

But lawmakers unconvinced
By Veronica Uy
INQUIRER.net
First Posted 13:55:00 08/05/2008

MANILA, Philippines -- Air quality in the country improved by 33 percent from 2003 to 2007, the Environment Management Bureau (EMB) told the Joint Congressional Oversight Committee on Clean Air Tuesday, but lawmakers were unconvinced about the report.

At the same time, Senator Pia Cayetano, who as chairperson of the Senate committee on the environment co-chairs the oversight committee, said that the P197-million air quality management fund collected from vehicle licensing fees and smoke-belching fines from 1999 specified in the Clean Air Act has not been released.

"Not a single centavo has been released since about 10 years ago," she said.

Cayetano said the amount should be released to enable EMB to buy better equipment and conduct tests that would result in truly better air quality.

"Air quality is directly related to health. The incidence of respiratory ailments in Metro Manila is very high because of air pollution," she said.

At the next oversight committee hearing, Cayetano will ask the Department of Budget and Management and the Department of Finance why the P197 million has not been released.

In its presentation, the EMB said its national monitoring of so-called “big dusts” showed concentrations of total suspended particulates have decreased from 144 to 97 micrograms per normal cubic meter (ug/Ncm).

In Metro Manila, the air quality has improved too, by 27 percent from 160ug/Ncm in 2003 to 120 ug/Ncm in 2007,” the EMB said.

"Per DENR [Department of Environment and Natural Resources] General Plan of Action, it is targeted that the Ambient Air Quality value of 90ug/Ncm is attained or complied with by 2010," the EMB report said.

But legislators found the results incredible.

Senator Pia Cayetano, who, as chair of the Senate committee on the environment is co-chair of the oversight committee, said she did not believe the EMB data because "I bike behind smoke-belching buses…we don't hear people in EDSA say mas maluwag ang pakiramdam ko ngayon [I feel better today]."

Cayetano’s co-chair, Representative Belma Cabilao, said she suffers allergies she does not experience back home in Zamboanga.

Senator Gregorio Honasan noted that the quality of air is important because it will affect future generations.

"We passed the Clean Air Act in the 10th Congress because of our concern for our children…We may be raising children who may be retarded because of the quality of air. Few may become congressmen, senators, and presidents," Honasan said.

Waldenstrom

August 6th, 2008, 12:48 AM

ok sana si BF, ayaw ko lang talaga ng pink. ang pangit at ang dumi tingnan. :D

jefflacs

August 6th, 2008, 03:50 AM

^^ Yung shade kasi ng pink na ginamit, ang panget. parang cheap shade of pink ang ginamit hehehehe pati na din yung shade ng blue, cheap tignan

sandman.ink

August 6th, 2008, 04:56 AM

^^ Yung shade kasi ng pink na ginamit, ang panget. parang cheap shade of pink ang ginamit hehehehe pati na din yung shade ng blue, cheap tignan

malamang wlang artist sa kanilang officers...and due to monetary constraints, hindi nila maaford to be creative. I don't like pink also...nakaka-umay na tingnan.

advice ko lang kay Chairman Bayani: Less is more, sir. Less is more.

kalbongdad

August 6th, 2008, 09:11 AM

sandman.ink

August 6th, 2008, 09:57 AM

guys let bf work ...... admittedly bf has done wondrous things to mm the pink and blue color shade is part of the transformation the mere fact that you are reacting to it....makes you cognizant that something is being done you see now we are able to notice the balete trees being planted along the stretch of edsa....(dami white lady) dyan pag lumaki na mga trees.... we now have traffic signages, rumble strips, waiting sheds, landscape spaces, and the cadena de amor vine....that wraps around the mrt posts...with pink flowers... these are but a few of his achievements.... has anybody done better?....not even binay was able to do it..kaya inggit sya kay bayani... :lol: so let us all give bf a break.... sana sya sunod na president ng pinas...

yeah, I agree...Bayani has done a lot of good things in MM...if you weigh in the good and the bad, the good things out weigh the bad...but, there's no saying that the bad can't be improved.

sometimes, Bayani's problem is he doesn't listen to other people's suggestions. pero at least, meron nang palaisdaan in the middle of the road sa amin sa QC. hahaha...

orangejuice

August 6th, 2008, 11:54 AM

kayo naman, pink and blue nga kasi, mas murang pintura yun, sus. kung ang budget na binibigay ng gobyerno ke BF eh limitado lang, siyempre un lang afford nila na kulay ng pintura na bilhin. oo kung tutuusin kasi parang bakit sa lahat ng ikukulay sa mga publikong lugar tulad ng overpass,tulay, dingding etc eh pink and blue pero kasi nga un ang mura. wag lang pinturahan sana ng pink and blue mga historical places or buildings.

greenshields

August 6th, 2008, 01:27 PM

MMDA should also do its homework on preserving our heritage since they are already embarking on various projects that would eventually touch on historical/cultural part of the Metro. BF did particularly well in Marikina so pwede na rin i-apply ang experiences nila sa ibang mga historical places or buildings. After all, the Metro Gwapo campaign seeks to attract rather than repel visitors/tourists.

Ph Man

August 6th, 2008, 04:53 PM

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9389/chaosandcreationsuj7.jpghttp://
Thanks Chaosandcreations for the flickr pics

Kidding aside we do need a leader like Bayani specially in the Metro,where sometimes you wonder if we do have a government.He symbolises order IMO.
I have never seen EDSA so clean these days.:)

hehe...that's me and here's the bigger version:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2100/2530939523_735ec98dde.jpg

and more here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chaosandcreations/sets/72157604425086926/

bitoy

August 6th, 2008, 06:44 PM

hehe...that's me and here's the bigger version:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2100/2530939523_735ec98dde.jpg

and more here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chaosandcreations/sets/72157604425086926/

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/417/2530939523735ec98ddevq2.jpg

Pinas na Pinas nga magmaneho! :lol:

Well, at least, ok ang flow ng trapik.

Ph Man

August 6th, 2008, 07:30 PM

IndioBravo

August 6th, 2008, 08:23 PM

^^Thanks PH,excellent pics!

Ph Man

August 6th, 2008, 08:44 PM

^^ thank you. :)

bitoy

August 6th, 2008, 09:00 PM

these ones are worse...taken after 5 seconds
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3079/2535899476_60be0935f2.jpg

and look at that green bus...(EDSA-Ayala)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3038/2692019600_fbe0526265.jpg

I put a whole compilation of my EDSA photos here:
http://phrealestate.net/2008/07/27/new-edsa-makati-city-photos/

and here...
http://phrealestate.net/2008/07/13/edsa/
:)

:lol: Mga terror sa kalye pa rin ang Pinoy drivers. May linya na kung saan saan pa nilalagay yung mga gulong nila. :D Sabagay, ganyan din kami mag-drive in the 70s, pero wala pang masyadong trapik nuon at walang linya.

Nice compilations and photo-blogs of Metro-Manila, thanks!!!

tigidig14

August 6th, 2008, 10:54 PM

ganyan na yan satin matagal na, dapat satin ay lagyan ng transparent na pako yung mga road divider, so pag may pumapagitna e butas agad yung gulong

Ph Man

August 7th, 2008, 05:30 AM

nayki

August 7th, 2008, 05:56 AM

Tapos na yata aung Elevated U turn sa may commonwealth nabasa ko kahapon sa Star.
Palagay ko binase ng MMDA ang ang magiging benefit nitong elevated U turn na ito sa mga existing U turns sa gitna ng mga kalsada ngayon. Kung ikokompara mo nga naman sa mga existing u turns ngayon, di hamak na mas malaki ang turning radius nitong elevated u turn kesa sa mga u turn na asa gitna ng kalsada ngayon. Pero di ko pa din sigurado kung sulit ang ginastos sa napaka mahal na infrastructure na ito.

RonnieR

August 7th, 2008, 05:57 AM

RonnieR

August 7th, 2008, 05:58 AM

thanks tsinoy. some streets with no middle island do put this cat-eye on the median. even remote provinces do this. but that invisible pako you are referring tigs is too much, but what if there is? :lol:

the problem is, we Pinoys are born to be snakey drivers, seeking every possible way to outrun every car in the street. that gives MMDA a hard time educating us. but it has done a great job so far. no matter how resistant motorists were in the outset.

Yes, agree...thanks for the pictures. EDSA looks cleaner/better now but the undisciplined drivers ruin the positive aspect. I think the implementation of BRT system in metropolis is warranted. Urgent na talaga to address this problem.

Porknight

August 7th, 2008, 07:26 AM

amazing pics thanks PHman . MMDA made a good job I'm happy !

orangejuice

August 7th, 2008, 01:36 PM

Wolf1968 ^_^

August 7th, 2008, 04:34 PM

amigo32

August 7th, 2008, 04:52 PM

le Reine

August 7th, 2008, 11:03 PM

Who controls the P197M? Is it the LTO? I noticed that this smoke belching test is a scam. The concerned agency in conducting emission test is corrupt. Evidence: the continued proliferation of smoke belching buses and jeepneys despite the renewal of their registration.nope. from that new article alone, you'll see that senator cayetano has no basis at all on how she measured the air quality in metro manila. fine, perception COULD be one of the indicators BUT it's not the basis of everything. The way the newspaper presented the issue, it seems that the senator was merely criticizing based on her own perception of the air quality in metro manila. it's so funny because the government agency used scientific methods in gathering data and yet the senator merely brushed it off by saying she doesn't feel the results. talk about arrogance in grand scale. aside from that, the senator clearly didn't study her homework well. had she researched on the issue thoroughly, she would have realized that improvement in air quality by 30% is not enough because the required air quality is 90ug/Ncm and we still haven't been in that stage ever... as in for several decades. this is a good example of criticizing without any basis and merely;y for media mileage.

IndioBravo

August 7th, 2008, 11:28 PM

^^Quite unfortunate really:ohno:.I think it's time for congestion charging in EDSA.

Eriq

August 8th, 2008, 12:50 AM

^^Quite unfortunate really:ohno:.I think it's time for congestion charging in EDSA.

Makati CBD and Bonifacio Global City too

RonnieR

August 8th, 2008, 04:28 AM

Ung bang C5, nag improve na ba lighting system dun? I remember at night time, ang dilim dun, mga poste ng ilaw walang ilaw. Esp. sa may bandang malapit sa toll, memorial park. It's been ages since I've passed C5.

Yep, C5 is well lighted, the Mayor of Pasig, Eusebio, just installed the new posts with his initial at the post "E" (pinoy politics), but nevertheless ,the Pasig side is so bright from C5 Ortigas interchange up to Bagong Ilog.

From Kalayaan to South Super highway is also lighted, courtesy of PAGCOR.

RonnieR

August 8th, 2008, 04:30 AM

pero bakit meron ding hindi natutuwa:D lalo na yung mga nasa abroad:D

I think they rely on ABS CBN news, most of their news ay critical sa government.... :) or crime news, killings, rape, suicide, accidents: in short so depressing. When I used to stay abroad, I never watched Philippine tv because of this thing.

RonnieR

August 8th, 2008, 04:34 AM

ang ganda na ng trafic sa c5 dun sa may elevated u-turn. mas malinis pang tignan.. lagi akong dumadaan di lang ako makapag pics..ang bilis kasi namin..hahaha.. pero infairness maganda talaga sya.. chows..

This is really true, I always pass C5, the elevated u-turn really helps. I have a picture but it is not really okay since I was driving when i took it, at mabilis kasi not so much traffic congestion na. :)

Shazzam

August 8th, 2008, 05:24 AM

Ang traffic congestion sa C5 napunta na sa Katipunan area these days....

kalbongdad

August 8th, 2008, 06:32 AM

well....now you know....damang dama ang asenso....:lol:

Porknight

August 8th, 2008, 07:38 AM

Ung bang C5, nag improve na ba lighting system dun? I remember at night time, ang dilim dun, mga poste ng ilaw walang ilaw. Esp. sa may bandang malapit sa toll, memorial park. It's been ages since I've passed C5.
I don't know you but I prefer the retroreflectors . Its more romantic I guess and saved a lot of money on the Electric bill , but I don't know the situation now, last time I was been there was something like 8 years ago . so probably they really need to put more lamp post now .
ang ganda na ng trafic sa c5 dun sa may elevated u-turn. mas malinis pang tignan.. lagi akong dumadaan di lang ako makapag pics..ang bilis kasi namin..hahaha.. pero infairness maganda talaga sya.. chows..

C'mon man do it for us !!! pleaseeeeeee....:)

xoelts

August 8th, 2008, 07:43 AM

light or dark blue would be nice though or green i guess...but pink is a bit too classy...the colors doesn't even match our personality,...but i think it looks fine, they just have to maintain its color "PINK" or else.....you know ... ehehe

chito

August 8th, 2008, 10:16 AM

Ang traffic congestion sa C5 napunta na sa Katipunan area these days....

hay naku kailan ba kasi matutuloy yan c5 expansion project na yan! hanggang ngayon ang sikip pa rin sa u-turn sa may cp garcia! :bash:

RonnieR

August 8th, 2008, 05:55 PM

r93k401

August 9th, 2008, 04:41 AM

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/August72008194.jpg?t=1218213824]

This is the latest photo taken at elevated U turn in Kalayaan. It's not really near from the U-turn because the area was not congested, the travel was fast considering it was at 9 AM. Before this opened, at 9 AM, the area was so congested. :)

May nakalagay pa ring SLEX Alabang sa bandang kaliwa ng pic. So meron pa rin bang u turn dun sa grade level intersection ng Kalayaan-C5, o ilalim ng elevated u-turn?

RonnieR

August 9th, 2008, 04:48 AM

May nakalagay pa ring SLEX Alabang sa bandang kaliwa ng pic. So meron pa rin bang u turn dun sa grade level intersection ng Kalayaan-C5, o ilalim ng elevated u-turn?

The SLEX Alabang is the road going to the south. The elevated U-turn is only for south bound vehicles for Pasig, Eastwood or Cubao, in short pabalik ka north bound. There is no more grade level U-turn other than the elevated U-turn

kratos1211

August 9th, 2008, 07:50 AM

^^
The Slex Alabang Sign on the rightmost lane is for vehicles coming from Kalayaan road. This is to allow vehicle from kalayaan going south to merge after the U-turn road. This is safer and less disruptive to the vehicles travelling along C5 road and to cars going to the u-turn bridge then having cars going south crossing 3 lanes to merge before the u-turn bridge. Great design.:okay:
Hope our drivers know how to use it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/2745336725_977ec687cd_o.jpg

RonnieR

August 9th, 2008, 09:28 AM

^^ yeah, kudos to MMDA Chairman Bayani .

brownman

August 9th, 2008, 09:34 AM

^^
The Slex Alabang Sign on the rightmost lane is for vehicles coming from Kalayaan road. This is to allow vehicle going south to merge after the U-turn road. This is safer and less disruptive to the vehicles travelling along C5 road and to cars going to the u-turn bridge then having cars going south merge before the u-turn bridge. Great design.:okay:
Hope our drivers know how to use it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/2745336725_977ec687cd_o.jpg

Ah ok, now I get it. Thanks btw.:)

mwg12a

August 9th, 2008, 10:47 AM

Sa Bicutan kanina, birthday celebration ata, merong kainan mga taga MMDA
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/cbuilt/DSC00068.jpg

HA HA shocking pink colors, para na silang nasa bahamas, pleasure islands... he he

Hindi na lang ginaya yuong sa Cebu na may plactic glass canopy...

r93k401

August 9th, 2008, 11:31 AM

The SLEX Alabang is the road going to the south. The elevated U-turn is only for south bound vehicles for Pasig, Eastwood or Cubao, in short pabalik ka north bound. There is no more grade level U-turn other than the elevated U-turn

ah ok, so south bound pala ang direction ng traffic. my bad. thanks. :)

dancethingy

August 9th, 2008, 04:38 PM

Where are the forumers who were crying foul over the construction of this elevated U-turn?? I thought it was going to be a monumental engineering blunder that would worsen traffic??

Maybe we wont realize the overall impact of this infrastructure until after several weeks or months. It may be smooth sailing now, but rough later on. How long has this been open?

^^
The Slex Alabang Sign on the rightmost lane is for vehicles coming from Kalayaan road. This is to allow vehicle from kalayaan going south to merge after the U-turn road. This is safer and less disruptive to the vehicles travelling along C5 road and to cars going to the u-turn bridge then having cars going south crossing 3 lanes to merge before the u-turn bridge. Great design.:okay:
Hope our drivers know how to use it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/2745336725_977ec687cd_o.jpg

^^ yeah, kudos to MMDA Chairman Bayani .

juandecervantes

August 9th, 2008, 04:52 PM

bitoy

August 9th, 2008, 05:45 PM

Where are the forumers who were crying foul over the construction of this elevated U-turn?? I thought it was going to be a monumental engineering blunder that would worsen traffic??

Maybe we wont realize the overall impact of this infrastructure until after several weeks or months. It may be smooth sailing now, but rough later on. How long has this been open?

De bugbugin natin sana ang DPWH. Milyun milyun pa ang ginastos nila para sa isang infomercial laban sa elevated uturn. :lol:

Ang U-turn kasi sa ibang bansa ay para duon sa mga naliligaw na mga drivers na para makabalik kung mali ang patutunguhan nila. :D
Wala kasi sa ayos ang mga crossing streets sa atin and signal lights are being ignored plus the waiting area of public transports kaya magulo sa bawat kanto.
Kung gagastusan na rin lang ang EDSA, might as well make it into a closed freeway with entrance and exit ramps on major cross streets.

juandecervantes

August 9th, 2008, 06:16 PM

^^
Noong panahon pa ni Marcos dapat may zoningpolicy na tayo. ie. Bawal ang mga gusali sa mga major highways natin/expresways... pinabayaan nila...hu hu hu

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Modern Living
Bayani Fernando to join Celebrity Duets!
By Tim Yap
Saturday, August 9, 2008
Supreme’s sources at the GMA Network have confirmed that MMDA chair Bayani Fernando has signed up to be part of the celebrity reality-singing contest, Celebrity Duets airing this Aug. 23 on the Kapuso network.

Now the controversial government official, famous for cleaning the streets and his pink urinals sprinkled around the metro, has something to jingle about. He can jingle his way into the hearts of the masses as he causes TV traffic on the new season of Celebrity Duets. From Metro Gwapo sensation to singing sensation, Chairman Fernando will now have more reason to put up his posters nationwide. And on it, aside from his Metro Gwapo slogan, it will say: “Vote Bayani Fernando — for Celebrity Duets!”

Not that he won’t be faced with tough competition. Unconfirmed reports say that he is set to face singing muscles versus the wife of a very powerful man, a former beauty queen and a movie and commercial director.

Supreme’s bet on his choice of songs and partners? For sure, he will sing Pink by Aerosmith, duet with Danton Remoto, Mariah Carey’s Hero with Hero Angeles, and Macho Gwapito by Rico J Puno, with Rico J himself.

What’s next? Celebrity Duets now, eleksyon entertainment later.

------------
Kung pangulo natin si BF, naku poh! Sana walang akseso sa Youtube ang mga pinuno ng ibang bansa.. nakakahiya talaga..:lol:

bitoy

August 9th, 2008, 06:19 PM

^^ It would be nice if all candidates would do a Kareoke contest, dance contest, isama na rin yung mga Abu-Sayaff and MILF rebels na mahilig kumanta for a better Philippines. :lol:

evilgenius15

August 10th, 2008, 03:49 AM

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/7324/stn1secuf3.th.jpg (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stn1secuf3.jpg)

evilgenius15

August 10th, 2008, 03:54 AM

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/7324/stn1secuf3.jpg

Planned North Avenue Terminal Station of LRT7

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9121/stn2secjo1.jpg

Planned Quezon Memorial Circle Station of LRT7

Waldenstrom

August 10th, 2008, 04:24 AM

sakit sa mata nung pink. :ohno: :laugh:

JustHorace

August 10th, 2008, 06:04 AM

Wow, it seems like the elevated U-Turn works after all. Another point for Bayani!

RonnieR

August 10th, 2008, 06:05 AM

Where are the forumers who were crying foul over the construction of this elevated U-turn?? I thought it was going to be a monumental engineering blunder that would worsen traffic??

Maybe we wont realize the overall impact of this infrastructure until after several weeks or months. It may be smooth sailing now, but rough later on. How long has this been open?

The elevated U turn was opened early last week. No media attention was accorded despite the improved traffic situation in the area. I remember ABS CBN greatly devoted their time in exposing the complaints of DPWH vs. the elevated U turn, now, they are embarassed to report that the claim was unfounded! What a shame.

AGain, I passed by last Friday night in the area, weekend, and yet, it was smooth at 6:30 PM from the fort.

amigo32

August 10th, 2008, 06:25 AM

Yung pag usapan/ibalita na lang daw ng ABS CBN yung investment ng China sa mining:D

dancethingy

August 10th, 2008, 07:04 AM

nayki

August 10th, 2008, 07:19 AM

i passed C-5 yesterday morning, the traffic flow in the area of the elevated u turn seems ok. Well its saturday yesterday, i dunno on weekdays.

sandman.ink

August 10th, 2008, 07:21 AM

The elevated U turn was opened early last week. No media attention was accorded despite the improved traffic situation in the area. I remember ABS CBN greatly devoted their time in exposing the complaints of DPWH vs. the elevated U turn, now, they are embarassed to report that the claim was unfounded! What a shame.

AGain, I passed by last Friday night in the area, weekend, and yet, it was smooth at 6:30 PM from the fort.

ano naman ang kinalaman ng isang media entity sa public highways? I think you should focus your hatred sa DPWH and some major engineering groups, they were the ones who called Bayani Fernando stupid, and not a Civil engineer...lumapit ang mga ito sa ABS-CBN, so they aired their side...now, maybe yung mga satisfied sa U-turn eh lumapit na lang din sa ABS-CBN so they can air their satisfaction...and besides, relatively new pa lang ang U-turn, kaya siguro di pa napapansin ng media.

RonnieR

August 10th, 2008, 07:36 AM

ano naman ang kinalaman ng isang media entity sa public highways? I think you should focus your hatred sa DPWH and some major engineering groups, they were the ones who called Bayani Fernando stupid, and not a Civil engineer...lumapit ang mga ito sa ABS-CBN, so they aired their side...now, maybe yung mga satisfied sa U-turn eh lumapit na lang din sa ABS-CBN so they can air their satisfaction...and besides, relatively new pa lang ang U-turn, kaya siguro di pa napapansin ng media.

It so happened I watched that particular episode and MMDA's side was not properly explained. Comments and complaints were mostly from DPWH side and more time was alloted to them, it showed their bias.

Since they report traffic situation every morning in Umagang Kay Ganda plus their update reports on ANC, the said station should be fair considering that this is the first elevated U turn constructed in the capital/Philippines and this area is a major intersection, thus this cannot go on unnoticed by ABS CBN.

Hatred? I have none against this station. I watch some of their shows esp. ANC. The elevated U turn's construction was a major issue then, and now it is a success, are they going to be quiet?

Porknight

August 10th, 2008, 03:14 PM

^^ Any youtube video??

sandman.ink

August 10th, 2008, 09:17 PM

It so happened I watched that particular episode and MMDA's side was not properly explained. Comments and complaints were mostly from DPWH side and more time was alloted to them, it showed their bias.

Since they report traffic situation every morning in Umagang Kay Ganda plus their update reports on ANC, the said station should be fair considering that this is the first elevated U turn constructed in the capital/Philippines and this area is a major intersection, thus this cannot go on unnoticed by ABS CBN.

Hatred? I have none against this station. I watch some of their shows esp. ANC. The elevated U turn's construction was a major issue then, and now it is a success, are they going to be quiet?

antayin na lang natin, in due time magkakaroon din yan ng coverage...just happens, andaming issues that need to be addressed these days dito sa Pinas.

dancethingy

August 10th, 2008, 11:43 PM

i doubt any coverage pertaining to positive developments will be covered by abs-cbn, and i do dislike the station (no hatred).

diz

August 10th, 2008, 11:56 PM

i agree. abs cbn, despite being the oldest asian network, has lost its total honesty and only broadcasts the bad news.

kalbongdad

August 11th, 2008, 03:57 AM

dami pala natin na ganun ang sentiment anyway pag reports i'd lean more on gma7 mas accurate sila at hindi bias pag mag walang katuturan dun lang ako nanonood ng abs-cbn

Arciga_01

August 11th, 2008, 04:07 AM

Yep, C5 is well lighted, the Mayor of Pasig, Eusebio, just installed the new posts with his initial at the post "E" (pinoy politics), but nevertheless ,the Pasig side is so bright from C5 Ortigas interchange up to Bagong Ilog.

From Kalayaan to South Super highway is also lighted, courtesy of PAGCOR.

Kung ano un sinabi nya, Kaso dun sa taguig part. Ang sama parin ng kalagayan ng C5 road kaso atleast may ilaw na doon .

sandman.ink

August 11th, 2008, 05:47 AM

i doubt any coverage pertaining to positive developments will be covered by abs-cbn, and i do dislike the station (no hatred).

i agree. abs cbn, despite being the oldest asian network, has lost its total honesty and only broadcasts the bad news.

dami pala natin na ganun ang sentiment anyway pag reports i'd lean more on gma7 mas accurate sila at hindi bias pag mag walang katuturan dun lang ako nanonood ng abs-cbn

hehehe...exaggerated naman kyo..you're doing exactly what you're complaining against ABS-CBN, w/c is (over) sensationalizing of reports/news...too much hyperbole kumbaga, hehehe..I could list a number of positive news reported by ABS-CBN, but I don't want to look like Im defending the station. ganto na lang, your comments are grossly exaggerated.

amigo32

August 11th, 2008, 05:53 AM

antayin na lang natin, in due time magkakaroon din yan ng coverage...just happens, andaming issues that need to be addressed these days dito sa Pinas.

eww, kapamilya ka ba? j/k:lol::lol::lol:

sandman.ink

August 11th, 2008, 06:07 AM

eww, kapamilya ka ba? j/k:lol::lol::lol:

hindi naman...hahaha..

OA lang yung reactions na hindi nirireport ng ABS-CBN ang mga dev't sa ating bansa...it's unfair to paint certain institutions as anti-progress. it's not responsible and parang sinisita natin ung iba without realizing na nagiging ganun din tayo by doing so...

c0kelitr0

August 11th, 2008, 08:45 AM

HA HA shocking pink colors, para na silang nasa bahamas, pleasure islands... he he

Hindi na lang ginaya yuong sa Cebu na may plactic glass canopy...

most new pedestrian overpasses don't have canopies anymore para walang mga illegal vendors na mai-encourage na mag set up shop there ;)

nayki

August 11th, 2008, 08:47 AM

^^ mapa GMA at ABS naman puro kapangitan ng services at infratructure lang pinapakita nila sa bansa natin, tapos sasabihin nila dahil un ang katotohanan. Pano naman ung madaming magagandang infra natin dba katotohanan un. :ohno:

diz

August 11th, 2008, 08:53 AM

hehehe...exaggerated naman kyo..you're doing exactly what you're complaining against ABS-CBN, w/c is (over) sensationalizing of reports/news...too much hyperbole kumbaga, hehehe..I could list a number of positive news reported by ABS-CBN, but I don't want to look like Im defending the station. ganto na lang, your comments are grossly exaggerated.

oo pero ang mga Astig! na news ay nasa last 1 min. ng news broadcast nila. :lol:

anong klaseng gross? yung gross domestic product or ewww yak kakadiri gross?

boroyski

August 11th, 2008, 09:01 AM

^^^^:lol::lol::lol::lol:

RonnieR

August 11th, 2008, 10:07 AM

anong klaseng gross? yung gross domestic product or ewww yak kakadiri gross?

:lol: :lol: not used to reading your post like this :lol:

kratos1211

August 11th, 2008, 10:57 AM

Great job to MMDA for finishing phase 1 of the C5-Kalayaan project in 6 months only. Lets hope they can finish the phase 2 faster. :)

Country’s first elevated U-turn now open on C-5
Manila Standard Today

THE country’s first elevated u-turn slot, on the northbound lane of C5 near Kalayaan Avenue in Makati, was inaugurated yesterday, with a promise that it would ease traffic and reduce accidents on the busy intersection.

The elevated U-turn, which cost P350 million and six months to build, would make it easier for vehicles from Makati along Kalayaan Avenue to get onto C5 toward Pasig, Quezon City and Marikina, said Robert Esquivel, chief of the traffic enforcement group at the Metro Manila Development Authority.

He said construction of a second elevated U-turn on the southbound lane would begin in mid-August, and that the intersection of C5 and Kalayaan would eventually be closed after the construction.

In the last few months, work on the first U-turn slot created heavy traffic that slowed movement on the Pasig flyover to a crawl.

But traffic managers said the elevated U-turn would result in fewer accidents.

Data from the MMDA’s Road Safety Unit showed more than 400 accidents occurred on Metro Manila U-turn slots in the first half of the year.

That translated to about two to three accidents a day, officials said.

MMDA Chairman Bayani Fernando said the original plan by the Public Works Department was to build a tunnel. But this proposal was scrapped in favor of the cheaper elevated U-turn.

An elevated U-turn cost P350 million, while a tunnel would cost P600 million, he said.

Fernando added that tunnels would be prone to flooding and difficult to maintain. Rio N. Araja

amigo32

August 11th, 2008, 11:31 AM

:lol: :lol: not used to reading your post like this :lol:

oo pero ang mga Astig! na news ay nasa last 1 min. ng news broadcast nila. :lol:

anong klaseng gross? yung gross domestic product or ewww yak kakadiri gross?

:lol:

gross
hindi na metro guapo:lol:

RonnieR

August 11th, 2008, 11:44 AM

habagatcentral1

August 11th, 2008, 12:45 PM

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sandman.ink

August 11th, 2008, 01:19 PM

oo pero ang mga Astig! na news ay nasa last 1 min. ng news broadcast nila. :lol:

anong klaseng gross? yung gross domestic product or ewww yak kakadiri gross?

:lol:

when I said gross, I meant extreme...

Porknight

August 11th, 2008, 08:38 PM

Ok if we have all our elevated u-turn pink and over pass as well Manila can be known in the world as the Pink city.

diz

August 11th, 2008, 08:45 PM

:lol:

when I said gross, I meant extreme...

so I assumed right! :cheers:

angelneo

August 12th, 2008, 02:56 AM

.....

diz

August 12th, 2008, 03:10 AM

^^ why is it square-ish?

Arciga_01

August 12th, 2008, 06:19 AM

Haha, Nandun parin un waterfalls sa kanan :nuts:

sandman.ink

August 12th, 2008, 06:58 AM

^^ why is it square-ish?

yup, youre right...maybe they had a different font in mind when they visualized what U is....

r93k401

August 12th, 2008, 07:22 AM

Do this means wala nang left turn dun sa intersection from kalayaan to pasig at kelangan nang gumamit ng elevated u turn?

Arciga_01

August 12th, 2008, 07:26 AM

Yep

angelneo

August 12th, 2008, 07:52 AM

^^ why is it square-ish?

actually, maluwag yung kalsada pagdating sa taas. as wide as 3 lanes sya sa taas. if you look closely sa pic sa ibaba, curved yung markings kapag nasa itaas ka na.
it is really a U turn on top. not like a street corner. di lang gaano kita dito yung white lane markings.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2754572885_7c9053afbb_o.jpg

RonnieR

August 12th, 2008, 08:47 AM

^^ Yes, maluwag sa taas....and there is no problem with the flow of traffic...contrary to DPWH claims na mali daw, hazardous daw, engineering blunder daw....

diz

August 12th, 2008, 08:48 AM

^^ Nope, definately square-ish. Maybe they wanna turn it into an overpass? Sana...

Haha, Nandun parin un waterfalls sa kanan :nuts:

is that bad? meron ganyan dito sa tabi ng freeway sa Oregon City, pero mukhang natural. natural ba yan?

sandman.ink

August 12th, 2008, 08:55 AM

^^ Nope, definately square-ish. Maybe they wanna turn it into an overpass? Sana...

is that bad? meron ganyan dito sa tabi ng freeway sa Oregon City, pero mukhang natural. natural ba yan?

hindi yan natural...well, it depends on how you define natural...organic, pwede din. mostly drainage ata yan, so organic sya...hehehe

diz

August 12th, 2008, 09:06 AM

^^ well, di ko alam kung saan nanggagaling yung tubig dito.. oh well. :D

boroyski

August 12th, 2008, 09:34 AM

yung sa may gilid ng elev u-turn, masyadong eye sore (nandun pa naman ang pink foot bridge). May provision ba na gawan ng magandang landscape yan? Sa mga kanal ba galing yung "water falls" ? :nuts:

Porknight

August 12th, 2008, 10:43 AM

Well its good ateast helps to avoid traffic jams , Btw are they planning to paint it ? I had some doubt regarding pink , but its always better than grey.

dreamtime07

August 13th, 2008, 03:16 PM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2754572885_7c9053afbb_o.jpg

WOW!!! ang ganda ng curve ng elevated U-TURN SLOT!!! makaka 50 to 60kph ang mga sasakyan dito!! ang galing galing ni Bayani Fernando!!! 90-degree curve!!! hahahaha sobrang safe din to lalo na sa gabi kapag dadaan ka sa 90-degree curve!!! ganda ng engineering design!!! sige gawa ka pa ng maraming elevated u-turn slot na 90-degree curve!! :banana::banana::banana::banana:

dreamtime07

August 13th, 2008, 03:31 PM

sana makadaan dito ang 10-wheeler truck!!! hahaha nice one Bayani Fernando!!:lol::lol:

bitoy

August 13th, 2008, 04:40 PM

^^ Parang Parking lot ramp ... hehehe 90 degree turn, oras na lang inaantay sa unang maaksidente diyan.

Gumastos na rin lang, hindi na lang cloverleaf design.

amigo32

August 13th, 2008, 05:27 PM

^^ Parang Parking lot ramp ... hehehe 90 degree turn, oras na lang inaantay sa unang maaksidente diyan.

Gumastos na rin lang, hindi na lang cloverleaf design.

kulang nga ang budget, wala pang space:) mahirap lang kasi kami, buti pa kayong mga Kano maraming pera:D

bitoy

August 13th, 2008, 05:39 PM

Sus! kulang sa bad-yet ka diyan, eh sunod sunod na U-turn ramp ang gagawin pa. :lol:

jefflacs

August 13th, 2008, 05:52 PM

eh siyempre mas mabuti na madami ang gawin nilang u-turn ramp. yung masasave nila doon sa tunnel na proposal, maiaallocate nila sa ibang gagawing u-turn ramp.

xoelts

August 13th, 2008, 07:00 PM

weird

galore

August 13th, 2008, 07:18 PM

waste of money then?

sandman.ink

August 13th, 2008, 08:17 PM

kulang nga ang budget, wala pang space:) mahirap lang kasi kami, buti pa kayong mga Kano maraming pera:D

meron bang connection ang curvature ng U-turn na to sa budget?
I think, naging mas expensive pa nga kse unnecessary ung extra space sa taas ng elevated U-turn na to...ung materials needed nasayang lang. :)

Elbojemio

August 14th, 2008, 01:17 AM

^^ Any youtube video??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNCM7KYGvPE

RonnieR

August 14th, 2008, 07:20 AM

^^ Thanks for posting..... elevated U-turn phase 2 is up for construction, yehey.... very soon, this section of Metro Manila will be okay, no more bottleneck, traffic jam....but continuous flow of vehicles.

amigo32

August 14th, 2008, 07:26 AM

meron bang connection ang curvature ng U-turn na to sa budget?
I think, naging mas expensive pa nga kse unnecessary ung extra space sa taas ng elevated U-turn na to...ung materials needed nasayang lang. :)

:lol:pongsoy oo meron, may angal?

Sus! kulang sa bad-yet ka diyan, eh sunod sunod na U-turn ramp ang gagawin pa. :lol:

siempre namn maraming dapat gawan ng u-turn, papagawa nga ako malapit sa bahay ko eh:D
penge muna tikoy:D

huwak na kayo reklamo ha, kami dito sa Pinas ayos na magkaroon ng solution kesa wala.

bitoy

August 14th, 2008, 07:56 AM

:lol:pongsoy oo meron, may angal?

siempre namn maraming dapat gawan ng u-turn, papagawa nga ako malapit sa bahay ko eh:D
penge muna tikoy:D

huwak na kayo reklamo ha, kami dito sa Pinas ayos na magkaroon ng solution kesa wala.

Hehehe, eh wala na kasing mapanood sa Olympics kaya yung U-turn na lang ang pagdiskitahan. Kelangan ko rin ang U-turn ramp sa bahay pag uwi ko at galit si misis, kelangan, u-turn kaagad baka magulpi ako.
Tikoy on the way!!! Matigas at square yung itsura. :lol:

kalbongdad

August 14th, 2008, 08:31 AM

oo nga buti meron solution kesa puro dada lang....

sandman.ink

August 14th, 2008, 12:13 PM

:lol:pongsoy oo meron, may angal?

siempre namn maraming dapat gawan ng u-turn, papagawa nga ako malapit sa bahay ko eh:D
penge muna tikoy:D

huwak na kayo reklamo ha, kami dito sa Pinas ayos na magkaroon ng solution kesa wala.

:lol: :lol:

ok naman yang elevated U-turn na yan eh...pero, walang kinalaman ang curvature sa solution...kasi nga, pwede naman nilang ginwang mas-U at hindi ung parang gawang lego...nyahahaha...wag tayo makontento sa basta meron lang, especially kung preho lang ang gagastusin whether square or properly curved.

sabagay baka swerte yang square na yan sa mga motorista...facing east naman yang U-turn na yan eh...nyahahahahaha....

props to Bayani pa din...at least, he's got the balls. kaya lang ayaw ni Binay ng balls ni Bayani...nyahahahaha

dreamtime07

August 14th, 2008, 03:19 PM

kulang nga ang budget, wala pang space:) mahirap lang kasi kami, buti pa kayong mga Kano maraming pera:D

Bakit porket ba mahirap and Pilipinas ay hindi na eto pede magkaron ng SAFE at WORLD CLASS ELEVATED U-TURN SLOT??? sobrang delikado yan at hindi makakatakbo ng mabilis ang sasakyan dyan,

magkakatrapik din dyan kasi pagdating dun sa pagliko, babagal ang mga sasakyan kasi 90-degree curve. so cause nun, hahaba ang pila ng mga sasakyan sa bagal ng pagliko lalo na kung madami ang dadaaan dun!

Kapag dumaan ang truck dun, lalo na mga ten-wheeler, magkakatrapik!!! e diba kaya ka nga gumagawa ng ELEVATED U-TURN SLOT para Hindi magkatrapik!!!

at delikado pa tong 90-degree turn lalo na sa gabi!

JustHorace

August 14th, 2008, 03:31 PM

^^The structure does have those 90-degree turns but the route is curved. It's as simple as that.

dreamtime07

August 14th, 2008, 03:34 PM

^^kahit na yung lanes ay curved!!! maliit lang ang curve!! 90-degree pa rin yun! sinundan lang ng lane ang pagliko ng sasakyan!! the tendency is for people to slow down, and that will build up traffic!! and how can a very long truck turn in this 90-degree curve???

bitoy

August 14th, 2008, 03:37 PM

JustHorace

August 14th, 2008, 03:39 PM

@dreamtime: Judging by the pictures, I don't think the curve is too short to cause a significant decrease in the vehicle's speed. And besides, how can we build your world-class u-turn slot when space is limited in that area?

le Reine

August 14th, 2008, 03:42 PM

Kinakabahan ako sa U-turn na yan. Sana lang safe nga talaga siya. I'm not an engineer so I don't know. Sana someone could enlighten us about it.

dreamtime07

August 14th, 2008, 03:48 PM

^^ I agree with TSINOY!!!

That's the problem with most of the politicians in the Philippines!!! all are going for short-term solutions!!! kaya gastos ng gastos!!! hindi na lang long-term solution para isang gastos na lang!!

Ang pangit talaga ng design ng ELEVATED U-TURN SLOT!!

dreamtime07

August 14th, 2008, 03:51 PM

dreamtime07

August 14th, 2008, 04:29 PM

from Highways & Expressways in Thailand Thread
originally posted by Chriszwolle

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a307/cHemon2/2007-06%20Highway/IMG_0654.jpg

ETO ANG May CURVE!!! at talagang may engineering design!! SAFE and kaya mo mabilis, at habang nasa elevated U-TURN ka, pedeng constant speed, hindi mo kelangan bumagal para lumiko!!! yung ginawa ni Bayani, isipin nyo na lang na lumiko ka sa isang kanto!! diba kelngan mong bumagal para makaliko!!! nakaka-build ng traffic yun!

kratos1211

August 14th, 2008, 05:11 PM

^^ ginawang rectangle shape lang ang structure sa itaas para madali at mas mura ang construction. The u-turn lane ay may radius naman.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3186/2762197063_d198cfffa2.jpg?v=0

from the video posted by porknight. mabilis naman ang takbo.

lNCM7KYGvPE

Porknight

August 14th, 2008, 05:12 PM

Those elevated U-turn are like short time solutions, I would prefer a cloverleaf for constant flow of traffic. Pag dami ng sasakyan sa Metro-Manila, magtuturuan na naman sila.. parang yung LRT/MRT nang biglang nilanggam ng mga tao.

I would be agree with you .But i don't think we really have enough space to do all these cloverleafs that we need in the future if every filipino with the population growing so fast will own a car.

But for me the best solution in the long term is reducing the numbers of private cars. Thinking about making more road and always bigger especially inside the city is wrong. Its only produce more polution and reduce our air quality and take all the spaces that we need to live.

Easy to say but hard to do. Is make people think that they don't need a car like they did with MRT/LRT . Why should I ride my own car with the gasoline so high and ride for 3 hours to make 20 kms , when with the LRT i can make it in less that 15 minutes and save a lot of money time included the time to find a parking spot?

I remember in Dubai the traffic was not that bad as Manila back in 2003 , now i have a friend over there with I usually chat and she is saying that now the situation changed and the traffic now is a kind of nightmare.

Their solution was the subway. Easy and Simple and clean.

I don't know you but highways inside the city are not really attractive.

arsenalrbp

August 14th, 2008, 05:16 PM

agree.. cguro naman kung gawing 'U' turn talaga ito eh di naman cguro kalakihan ung extra cost .. actually nag-slow down ung sa pag-liko na, at bigla na lang bumilis ulit ung car on the way down.. so bumagal..

dreamtime07

August 14th, 2008, 05:25 PM

^^ I agree with arsenalrbp. Nag-slow down sya!!! pansinin yung pagbaba nya ng U-TURN tsaka sya bumilis. anyway, mahihirapan din ang ten-wheeler truck lumiko dyan!! dapat nilakihan yung curve para maaccomodate yung speed na hindi bumagal, kapag dumami ang kotse dyan, siguradong babagal ang daloy ng trapiko at dikit-dikit ang mga sasakyan.

anyway, nandyan na yan. wala ng magagawa.

arsenalrbp

August 14th, 2008, 05:53 PM

at pag nangyari yan affected ung nasa ibaba na at pedeng mag build-up ng traffic.. ung sa on the way down na ramp ba eh kumuha ng 2 lanes sa original na kalsada? if yes then magbibuild din ito ng trafic, imagine from orig 4 lanes eh maging 2 lanes pagdating sa Uturn, so ang tendency eh babagal ung mga sasakyan at mag-gigirian para pumunta ng inner lane as otherwise babangga ka sa pader sa baba ng elevated Uturn..

dreamtime07

August 14th, 2008, 06:02 PM

^^nicely said!!:applause::applause: marami talagang engineering flaws ang elevated u-turn slot. compared mo dun sa thailand, maganda ang curve, at widened pa yung lanes to two more lanes to accomodate the elevated u-turn slot. para hindi maabala ang THROUGH TRAFFIC - which is the traffic going straight.

bitoy

August 14th, 2008, 06:07 PM

I would be agree with you .But i don't think we really have enough space to do all these cloverleafs that we need in the future if every filipino with the population growing so fast will own a car.

But for me the best solution in the long term is reducing the numbers of private cars. Thinking about making more road and always bigger especially inside the city is wrong. Its only produce more polution and reduce our air quality and take all the spaces that we need to live.

Easy to say but hard to do. Is make people think that they don't need a car like they did with MRT/LRT . Why should I ride my own car with the gasoline so high and ride for 3 hours to make 20 kms , when with the LRT i can make it in less that 15 minutes and save a lot of money time included the time to find a parking spot?

I remember in Dubai the traffic was not that bad as Manila back in 2003 , now i have a friend over there with I usually chat and she is saying that now the situation changed and the traffic now is a kind of nightmare.

Their solution was the subway. Easy and Simple and clean.

I don't know you but highways inside the city are not really attractive.

Reducing vehicles is one way to solve the problem, but mahirap talaga ma control ang pagdami ng tao at sasakyan. I know that a cloverleaf would take so much space, but if this had to be done, paalisin yung abstructions sa area with compensation to the landowners and pag ayaw umalis, gulo lang ang mangyayari.
The main problem was the city zone planning and anticipation of projects for expansion sa Metro-Manila, nango-ngopya na rin lang tayo, hindi pa natin lubsin. Lahat ng lupain ay sinagad and no one wants to give way for expansion. Kaya ang mga new major projects dito sa amin really have to take time and their main objective is for the future expansion. Katulad ngayon, yung mga overpass roads along our freeway have allowances for road and light rail extension that is being utilized right now. In few more years kukulangin din ito and the city government would really have a big problem.

And about Dubai traffic, kaya nilang maglagay pa ng sangtambak na highways, masyadong maluwang pa rin ang area nila compared to Metro-Manila.

I agree with arsenalrbp. Nag-slow down sya!!! pansinin yung pagbaba nya ng U-TURN tsaka sya bumilis. anyway, mahihirapan din ang ten-wheeler truck lumiko dyan!! dapat nilakihan yung curve para maaccomodate yung speed na hindi bumagal, kapag dumami ang kotse dyan, siguradong babagal ang daloy ng trapiko at dikit-dikit ang mga sasakyan.

anyway, nandyan na yan. wala ng magagawa.

Yeah, sana nilagyan man lang ng konting slope yung paliko to compensate the speed of the turn, dito yung mga ramp na paliko, medyo naka tagilid yung mga sasakyan para mabilis makamerge sa main freeway.
Pero magiging bottleneck din yan pag ang bababaan ng mga sasakyan ay nakatigil din.

Wolf1968 ^_^

August 14th, 2008, 06:28 PM

bitoy

August 14th, 2008, 09:06 PM

^^ :lol: para kang nagpatahi ng pantalon, yung isang paa, maigsi o bitin at kontento ka na. Huwag kang gumaya sa ibang Pinoy na masyadong "passive", at pinapalampas yung mga kamalian sa kapaligiran. Walang masama magsaad ng angal kung hindi mo nais. Pag ganyan ka, parati ka na lang uutuin ng may kapangyarihan na nakakataas sa iyo.
Karapatan ng isang tao ang magsaad ng kanyang pagnanasa sa ikauunlad ng lipunan.
Ang mga kotong na pulitiko ba ay kunteto na sa kanilang mga nanakaw? Kung may nanakawin pa, gagawin pa rin nila yan.

sandman.ink

August 14th, 2008, 09:10 PM

Aerin

August 14th, 2008, 09:27 PM

A few questions:
1) what is the radius of the centerline?
2) what is the design speed?
3) width of the lanes?
4) any cross slope or superelevation? (if none, how will the water drain out at the top of the structure?)
5) it looks like the left side of the uturn is also a corner? is there any protection provided for this corner?

(My apologies if these questions have been answered already)

dancethingy

August 14th, 2008, 11:57 PM

has anybody really tried this new elevated U-turn slot and can attest to its inefficiency?

dreamtime07

August 15th, 2008, 01:28 AM

from Kalayaan

the Elevated U-Turn
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WALA PANG mga ilaw, talagang delikado to pag gabi. Dahan dahan lang dapat mga sasakyan baka mabangga sa 90-degree curve!! Filipinos doesn't deserve this!! Filipinos deserve a safe, efficient and a world-class elevated U-Turn!!!

Aerin

August 15th, 2008, 02:57 AM

yan ang hirap satin mga pilipino hindi marunong makontento.. bibigay mo ung kanan pati kaliwa gusto din..hai.. kung sana tumigil tayo sa pag rereklamo..at maging halimbawa na lang sa kapwa pilipino natin..wala din tayo pinag ka iba sa mga sinasabihan nating gobyerno, na sila puro daldal wala naman..eh parang ganon din tayo..puro reklamo pero na isip ba nating tumulong sa ikaka unlad ng pilipinas..baka nga pati pag tapon ng basura ng maayos di natin magawa..

I would think that people have a right to expect a project funded by their money, intended to last for a long time, to be designed and constructed well. From what I can see, this u-turn structure is very substandard--no shoulders, no lighting, inadequate protection of the walls and sign at the beginning of the structure, and is there room for maintenance crews to do their job? Also, the radius of the u-turn is very small, but there doesn't seem to be any cross slope (which ordinarily would be 12% for small curves). If the surface at the top of the structure is pretty flat, then there are also drainage issues to be concerned with.

tyronne

August 15th, 2008, 03:05 AM

Well, due to the limited space the u-turn had to be built that way. Drivers should be driving carefully especially when making those sharp turns. Adequate warning signs should be installed.

If I remember it right, there is something like this in Oakland, just before you enter the Bay Bridge toll gates [going to San Francisco]. The only difference is that it's a very wide u-turn; the approach is located in the outermost lane [farthest to the right] of the freeway then it lands on the outermost lane on the other side of the freeway.

greenshields

August 15th, 2008, 03:34 AM

There will always be problems with retrofits due to the many limitations including that of space available for the facility. While the civil engineering students and civil engineers in this thread are taught and, I assume, practice the application of design standards, we shouldn't rely too much on our textbooks and the manuals. If there is one thing that can be learned from this experience as well as other experiences around the Metro is that what's written in the manuals and the textbooks can be challenged. Out of the box solutions can also explored though maybe not necessarily in the way the MMDA did it.

Personally, from the perspective of us taxpayers shouldering the cost of infra like the U-turn flyover at C5-Kalayaan, we should always have the right to question where and how our hard earned money was spent. Examples of good retrofit designs like the photo of the Thai U-turns abound in our neighbor countries and our officials are not lacking in travels that have exposed them to such solution. It is alright and justified to ask why these cannot be done here.

RonnieR

August 15th, 2008, 05:43 AM

has anybody really tried this new elevated U-turn slot and can attest to its inefficiency?

Yes, I do, almost everyday....for the record, there is no traffic jam or bottleneck in the elevated u-turn....what a relief.

RonnieR

August 15th, 2008, 05:46 AM

I would think that people have a right to expect a project funded by their money, intended to last for a long time, to be designed and constructed well. From what I can see, this u-turn structure is very substandard--no shoulders, no lighting, inadequate protection of the walls and sign at the beginning of the structure, and is there room for maintenance crews to do their job? Also, the radius of the u-turn is very small, but there doesn't seem to be any cross slope (which ordinarily would be 12% for small curves). If the surface at the top of the structure is pretty flat, then there are also drainage issues to be concerned with.

There are designated areas for the lights. I asked MMDA 136 on this and they will install the lights.

angelneo

August 15th, 2008, 06:40 AM

Aerin

August 15th, 2008, 08:21 AM

Well, due to the limited space the u-turn had to be built that way. Drivers should be driving carefully especially when making those sharp turns. Adequate warning signs should be installed.

Could it have been possible to build the u-turn at another location where there would be more space? Or, change the right lane into a shoulder...errr, never mind. I forgot that Filipino drivers don't make a distinction between a shoulder lane and a regular lane.

Lack of space, however, only partially accounts for the flawed design; it does not explain why certain elements are missing, such as a cross slope, protective devices (e.g. crash cushions), etc.

If I remember it right, there is something like this in Oakland, just before you enter the Bay Bridge toll gates [going to San Francisco]. The only difference is that it's a very wide u-turn; the approach is located in the outermost lane [farthest to the right] of the freeway then it lands on the outermost lane on the other side of the freeway.

Yes, it's called the horseshoe ramp (http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist4/photography/images/080506b/).

RonnieR

August 15th, 2008, 10:40 AM

i have personally used the U-turn. and it's ok.
i do wish it could have been better but with limited space, that is all we could do.
why not underpass? see how dirty underpasses are? like recto, shaw and cubao?
IMO, this elevated U-turn is the better solution.

sorry guys, i removed the pics... i thought people would be happy if they saw it...

Have you noticed? Those who complain have not yet used the elevated u-turn? I use it almost everyday. I experienced the bottleneck before this u-turn at Kalayaan and C5.

I'm sure once phase II is completed, it will be a breeze.

red_jasper

August 15th, 2008, 10:41 AM

MMDA to strictly enforce tricycle ban on Katipunan Avenue
08/15/2008 | 03:39 PM

MANILA, Philippines – The ban on tricycles will be strictly enforced) on Katipunan Avenue in Quezon City starting on Saturday, the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority (MMDA) announced on Friday.

An existing regulation prohibits tricycles from plying major roads and Katipunan Avenue is one of the major thoroughfares in Metro Manila, according to MMDA Traffic Enforcement Group (TEG) chief Bobby Esquivel.

Violators will be fine P500 and imprisoned for not more than five days and their tricycles will be impounded.

Esquivel added that tricycle drivers can be cited for out-of-line operation for using a major thoroughfare or diverting from their approved route.

The tricycle ban covers the portion of Katipunan Avenue from Aurora Boulevard to the Balara area behind the University of the Philippines. - GMANews.TV (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/113953/MMDA-to-strictly-enforce-tricycle-ban-on-Katipunan-Avenue)

RonnieR

August 15th, 2008, 10:44 AM

Could it have been possible to build the u-turn at another location where there would be more space? Or, change the right lane into a shoulder...errr, never mind. I forgot that Filipino drivers don't make a distinction between a shoulder lane and a regular lane.

Yes, lack of knowledge of shoulder and regular lane....so many stupid drivers here...thanks to LTO...very corrupt, they just issue driver's license without doing the actual test on traffic signs. some jeepney drivers don't even know the meaning of signs.

RonnieR

August 15th, 2008, 10:46 AM

greenshields

August 15th, 2008, 11:45 AM

sandman.ink

August 15th, 2008, 09:47 PM

There will always be problems with retrofits due to the many limitations including that of space available for the facility. While the civil engineering students and civil engineers in this thread are taught and, I assume, practice the application of design standards, we shouldn't rely too much on our textbooks and the manuals. If there is one thing that can be learned from this experience as well as other experiences around the Metro is that what's written in the manuals and the textbooks can be challenged. Out of the box solutions can also explored though maybe not necessarily in the way the MMDA did it.

actually, the issue here is that not only students but also practicing engineers (like DPWH people) are questioning the design of this elevated U-turn of Mr. BF.

Personally, from the perspective of us taxpayers shouldering the cost of infra like the U-turn flyover at C5-Kalayaan, we should always have the right to question where and how our hard earned money was spent. Examples of good retrofit designs like the photo of the Thai U-turns abound in our neighbor countries and our officials are not lacking in travels that have exposed them to such solution. It is alright and justified to ask why these cannot be done here.

definitely. I agree!

IndioBravo

August 16th, 2008, 01:05 AM

^^LTO! I think this is the most blatant show of corruption in the Philippines.I'm surprised no media entity covered this consistently.All I remember was when the media got a license in LTO for a blind man.:ohno::lol:We could start a thread for this,I know it's out of topic,but we certainly can talk about it,and hopefully someone hears us:)

amigo32

August 16th, 2008, 12:09 PM

Tricycles have long been the scourge of our national roads whether in Metro Manila or outside. It is about time the MMDA turns its eyes on this element of congestion for many of our streets. Maybe they can start with Kalayaan Avenue, near the MMDA headquarters.

Matagal nang bawal ang mga tricycle sa mga ganyang kalsada, hindi lang MMDA dapat mangsita, si mamang pulis dapat puede rin, o si barangay [police

johnmizer

August 17th, 2008, 01:28 AM

dont forget pedicabs...

kratos1211

August 18th, 2008, 04:44 AM

U-turn slot speeds up C-5 Road travel by 90% – MMDA

PhilStar

The traffic flow along C-5/Kalayaan Road has shown dramatic improvement over the past two weeks due to an elevated U-turn slot in the area, Metro Manila Development Authority (MMDA) officials said.

MMDA officials said travel speed from Lawton, Manila to Buting, Pasig has reportedly increased from 17.93 to 34.14 kilometers per hour (kph), reflecting a 90 percent improvement in travel time.

From Pasig to Manila, travel also became faster by 14 percent, with a speed from 19.45 kph to 22.14 kph due to the project, they said.

Statistics showed that travel speed from Commando link in Taguig to Lanuza, Pasig also increased by 54 percent, from 28.85 kph to 44.3 kph.

The southbound lane from Pasig City to Global City also improved in travel speed by 107 percent, from 17.16 kph to 35.45 kph.

MMDA officials, led by Chairman Bayani Fernando, said the elevated U-turn slot in C-5/Kalayaan is working effectively.

Records showed that 153,796 vehicles pass through the area everyday based on a 2007 vehicle volume count by the agency’s Traffic Engineering Center (TEC).

The MMDA now expects 237,993 vehicles to use the elevated U-turn slot daily, which, it said, will not be a problem for as long as a second similar structure opens in the area.

The second elevated U-turn project will benefit northbound motorists who also use the C-5/Kalayaan road from the South Luzon Expressway (SLEX) to Ortigas and Quezon City and vice versa.

MMDA officials said it will also be useful for vehicles coming from Pateros to Makati City and Pateros to the SLEX. – Michael Punongbayan

RonnieR

August 18th, 2008, 05:31 AM

boroyski

August 18th, 2008, 08:16 AM

I'm a civil engineering student at sabi ng professor ko maraming galit na civil engineers at DPWH kay Bayani Fernando dahil ang pangit pangit ng designs nya at basta gawa lang ng gawa ng hindi man lang iniisip at dinedesign ng mabuti!!! si gloria naman okay lang ng okay, mukang maganda sa mata lahat ng pinaggagawa ni Bayani Fernando kaso wala namang engineering design. Hindi SAFE, HINDI EFFECTIVE!!! SHORT-TERM SOLUTION!!

You should ask these questions to your professors to support your claim. An engineer should study, check and provide alternative solution to a design if the subject have flaws and irregularities. An engineer should evaluate based on hard facts and not on mere heresay only. If somehow below querries violated or did not follow design criteria, then solutions and improvements should be offered. Dont get me wrong here, I never say that this U-turn is good or not. I havent tried using it, and I am not a BF supporter either. Peace.

A few questions:
1) what is the radius of the centerline?
2) what is the design speed?
3) width of the lanes?
4) any cross slope or superelevation? (if none, how will the water drain out at the top of the structure?)
5) it looks like the left side of the uturn is also a corner? is there any protection provided for this corner?

(My apologies if these questions have been answered already)

Wolf1968 ^_^

August 18th, 2008, 05:23 PM

dassler

August 20th, 2008, 07:33 AM

dreamtime07

August 20th, 2008, 07:57 AM

aranetacoliseum

August 20th, 2008, 08:13 AM

angelneo

August 20th, 2008, 08:19 AM

amigo32

August 20th, 2008, 03:39 PM

Got your point!! mas mabuti kung may ginagawa kaysa sa wala!! pero lalong mas mabuti kung 100% ang effort na ginawa!! hindi ba mas maganda kung world class ang ginawa? katulad ng sinabi ni bitoy."para kang nagpatahi ng pantalon, yung isang paa, maigsi o bitin, kontento ka na.", bakit hindi pa nga gawin maganda. As citizens of this country, we have the right to world class infrastructures. Peace:):)

world class means $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

ang pantalon namng pinatahi hindi namn maigsi, o bitin ang isang paa, hindi lang kilala ang brand, si Mang Pidro mananahi sa tabi-tabi lang gumawa:D mura lang ang budget kaya mura din ang materiales at design.
levi's engineered jeans kasi hindi kaya:D buti nga hindi na lang nagbahag:D

Arciga_01

August 20th, 2008, 07:51 PM

The Wolfman

August 20th, 2008, 08:32 PM

For me, kahit pangit tingnan, atleast gumagana sya. I admit na nung ginagawa un U-turn, Pinuna ko rin sya kaso nung natapos na. Nakita ko improvement sa C-5 intersection na yan. Mas bumilis un travel time namin from taguig to pasig since kaunti nalang ang naiipon na kotse sa intersection.

I like what Bayani is doing personally, kahit puro pink un makita ko, atleasy may ginagawa sya compared to past MMDA chairman's na halos walang ginawa na makakaimprove ng roads ng Maynila.

I agree I hate the design of the footbridges and was even apprehensive at the elevated U-turn slot in CR but the thing is, what he is doing works. There maybe some problems from time to time but the solutions do ease traffic.

And building footbridges along the Taft EDSA intersection, Eastwood and C-5 are really good decisions.

sandman.ink

August 20th, 2008, 09:26 PM

:banana::banana:

wala rin yan pinagiba sa mga taong nagrereklamo dahil tumataas ang gasolina, pag nagrollback naman, magrereklamo ulit.. hayyyyyyyyy.. bagay ang isang world class na city with world class infrastracture sa mga taong pangworld class din ang pagiisip., may disiplina. hindi puro nega nalang lagi.......konting kibot, puna..... peace

ang layo ng parallelism ng gasolina sa U-turn...ang gasolina, it's very clear the oil companies are fooling the nation...pero, we should all be reminded by the Golden rule and the bible adage na "what you sow is what you reap", if the oil companies continue to do this ish to the whole world, God will take care of them.

besides, sa U-turn naman, valid ang puna na iniexpress sa mga posts dito.

sandman.ink

August 20th, 2008, 09:30 PM

For me, kahit pangit tingnan, atleast gumagana sya. I admit na nung ginagawa un U-turn, Pinuna ko rin sya kaso nung natapos na. Nakita ko improvement sa C-5 intersection na yan. Mas bumilis un travel time namin from taguig to pasig since kaunti nalang ang naiipon na kotse sa intersection.

I like what Bayani is doing personally, kahit puro pink un makita ko, atleasy may ginagawa sya compared to past MMDA chairman's na halos walang ginawa na makakaimprove ng roads ng Maynila.

i think, reading back the thread, no one is saying "dapat wala yang elevated U-turn na yan"...instead, what the people are saying is, gagawa na lang ng bagay bakit di pa ayusin? ako, I want the Philippines to succeed, pero it won't happen if we settle for "pwede na" when a better alternative is possible and within our capabilities.

tyronne

August 21st, 2008, 03:10 AM

It would be interesting to see an alternative design for that u-turn, which is deemed better and more effective than the one just built by MMDA. Any alternative designs, people? :)

greenshields

August 21st, 2008, 06:26 AM

Actually, the final result deviates so much from the drawings as advertised, hehe. I myself have used the facility and I have no major complaints as far as the functionality is concerned.

The previous comment on us settling for "pwede na yan" is well founded. I do believe that having a better designed, curved overpass would not have incurred significant costs. Baka nga nakatipid pa considering the extra materials they used for unnecessary parts of the finished product.

As for alternative designs...just look at the billboards showing the upcoming construction of the other u-turn overpass. Maganda sana kung matutulad sa drawing ang overpass na gagawin. Ika nga sa design principles...guide drivers naturally.

bitoy

August 21st, 2008, 06:46 AM

Here's a horseshoe ramp as posted by: Aerin, a smaller version of this would be nicer and a lot safer to navigate.

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3228/3806497bigbi1.jpg

dancethingy

August 21st, 2008, 07:26 AM

sandman.ink

August 21st, 2008, 07:55 AM

The previous comment on us settling for "pwede na yan" is well founded. I do believe that having a better designed, curved overpass would not have incurred significant costs. Baka nga nakatipid pa considering the extra materials they used for unnecessary parts of the finished product.

agreed greenshields! I think makakatipid sa materials, baka nga lang the MMDA settled for the 90-degree turn because it is faster to construct...but a better curved design would not cause much of significant delays IMO, especially since properly curved flyovers are common nowadays.

bitoy

August 21st, 2008, 07:58 AM

^^ is there enough space in the area to make something like this, even if it may be a smaller version? How big is that area in that it would allow for a "bigger" and more "aesthetically" pleasing U-turn?

^^ It can be done, they did it in Thailand with almost the same size in space as in EDSA. Take out a lane or two under the u-turn and it is still can be done with a proper curve and banking for the turn.
That horshoe ramp is in the Bay Area, it doesn't look big when you are there.
What scary on the MMDA U-turn is how thin are the sidewalls of the ramp, a wayward big vehicle can easily tear up that side and malas na lang ang mabagsakan ng konkreto (baka hollowed blocks pa nga ang ginamit lang nila).

from Highways & Expressways in Thailand Thread
originally posted by Chriszwolle

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a307/cHemon2/2007-06%20Highway/IMG_0654.jpg

RonnieR

August 21st, 2008, 08:51 AM

just look at the billboards showing the upcoming construction of the other u-turn overpass. Maganda sana kung matutulad sa drawing ang overpass na gagawin. Ika nga sa design principles...guide drivers naturally.

Yeah, the design on that tarp is curve....

jefflacs

August 21st, 2008, 10:16 AM

RonnieR

August 21st, 2008, 10:33 AM

jefflacs

August 21st, 2008, 11:03 AM

^^ I meant sa mga design na binigay ng ibang posters na elevated u-turn from other countries yung sa atin kasi maganda yung design kasi may daanan yung right-most lane beside the elevated u-turn so hinde kaagad kailangan gumitgit ng mga kotse galing kalayaan

juandecervantes

August 21st, 2008, 11:33 AM

U turns sa thailand. http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/8960/uturnbangthaikreouptg2.png

greenshields

August 21st, 2008, 12:11 PM

Yung sa Thailand, mas malaki lang ang radius pero this is because they designed it for higher speeds. For C5-Kalayaan, pwede na ang shorter radius pero kurbahan lang siguro para natural sa driving. I've used it several times and speeds of 20 to 30 kph when you negotiate the top portion is definitely good. The MMDA needs to address nga lang the loading/unloading operations at the corner of C5-Kalayaan. Yun ang bumabara sa mga vehicles coming from Kalayaan and not the U-turn overpass. :)

kratos1211

August 21st, 2008, 12:27 PM

Ang problema lang diyan sa design na yan magkakaroon ng ipitan yung mga galing ng kalayaan going to SLEX saka yung mga galing pasig going to pateros/using the uturn, kasi yung mga galing kalayaan kelangan pa nila pumunta from right to left kesa yung mga galing pasig na going left to right unless yung u-turn lalagay pa nila sa bandang market/market area. maganda sana dito yung flyover para wala ng problema

repost

^^
The Slex Alabang Sign on the rightmost lane is for vehicles coming from Kalayaan road. This is to allow vehicle from kalayaan going south to merge after the U-turn road. This is safer and less disruptive to the vehicles travelling along C5 road and to cars going to the u-turn bridge then having cars going south crossing 3 lanes to merge before the u-turn bridge. Great design.:okay:
Hope our drivers know how to use it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/2745336725_977ec687cd_o.jpg

jefflacs

August 21st, 2008, 03:29 PM

^^ Sorry mali pagkakaexplain ko, ngayon ko lang napansin/ninamnam post ko hehe. What I meant sa pinost ko is if ever the u-turn slots shown by the previous posters from different countries are applied dun sa C5/kalayaan

IndioBravo

August 21st, 2008, 11:13 PM

^^I'm prepared to wait and see first,to see if the u-turn is efficient and effective.Let's see...:).Still, I hope MMDA implements congestion charging in EDSA.So they can earn more money for road markers,road signs etc.:) And to lessen air pollution perhaps.

chito

August 22nd, 2008, 04:49 AM

^^
The Slex Alabang Sign on the rightmost lane is for vehicles coming from Kalayaan road. This is to allow vehicle from Kalayaan going south to merge after the U-turn road. This is safer and less disruptive to the vehicles traveling along C5 road and to cars going to the u-turn bridge then having cars going south crossing 3 lanes to merge before the u-turn bridge. Great design.:okay:
Hope our drivers know how to use it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/2745336725_977ec687cd_o.jpg

WHY THE U-TURN IS NOT THAT WIDE

In my opinion, the design of the C5-Kalayaan elevated u-turn is limited by the width of C5 and the presence of the flow of vehicles merging from Kalayaan road. The MMDA could have placed the elevated u-turn at the outermost lane of both north and southbound so that the u-turn would wider (for faster travel at the top) but it will also create a problem on the approach of the elevated u-turn because vehicles from Kalayaan going south would have to merge with the southbound C5 vehicles going for the u-turn.

Arciga_01

August 22nd, 2008, 01:28 PM

Problem is, The place where they placed it has a high rockface both on its left and right so the place is really tight...

dancethingy

August 22nd, 2008, 07:40 PM

^^ That's what i was thinking about. When i my partner and i drove through the area i just remember a big rock on one side or both sides, i forget which. How much would it cost to bring down the rocks? any pictures out there?

Aerin

August 22nd, 2008, 09:40 PM

the point is, atleast he's doing his job..kesa ung iba puro salita lang pero may natutulong ba.. WALA!!!..what im trying to say is..stop complaining and start to appreciate..puro kasi reklamo wala naman na tutulong..mag reklamo ka kung ikaw may na gagawa na maganda.. ^_^

What kind of help do you expect from the general public?

It would be interesting to see an alternative design for that u-turn, which is deemed better and more effective than the one just built by MMDA. Any alternative designs, people? :)

One will need at least a good topo or basemap of the area, plus a list of the known constraints if one wants to propose an alternative design. (I can try, but I have my own constraints.)

I am not sure what are the general guidelines for ramps in the Philippines but these are some guidelines for ramps taken from the Calif. Dept of Transportation's Highway Design Manual (http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/oppd/hdm/hdmtoc.htm#hdm) (I think this is a popular reference?):

1. For a design speed of 20 mph, the minimum radius of curve = 130 ft.
2. Paved shoulder width: left shoulder = 4', right shoulder = 8'. (May be reduced in some cases)
3. Lane width = 12'
4. For curve radii under 625', superelevation rate = 12%
5. For ramps with radius < 150', lanes should be widened by 6' to accomodate truck turning.

Again, these are just some of the guidelines for the horizontal alignment of the ramp; there are also other standards for the vertical alignment (profile), striping, drainage, pavement, etc.

greenshields

August 23rd, 2008, 02:11 AM

Aerin

August 23rd, 2008, 08:17 PM

The DPWH manual is practically a condensed version of the AASHTO manual and the US HCM. Adjusted lang supposedly to Philippine conditions. I would like to think that the MMDA has a copy of such references, di lang nagamit, hehe.

As for providing unsolicited advice to MMDA....good luck. :)

I know some people who collect old editions of US design manuals and distribute them in the Philippines. They are also readily available on the web, such as the one I posted above (though I'm not sure about the Highway Capacity Manual and the AASHTO Green Book, I've only seen hard copies of these).

leechtat

August 24th, 2008, 09:53 AM

Problem is, The place where they placed it has a high rockface both on its left and right so the place is really tight...

^^ That's what i was thinking about. When i my partner and i drove through the area i just remember a big rock on one side or both sides, i forget which. How much would it cost to bring down the rocks? any pictures out there?

^^ .. and on top of that, those rock face/cliffs have houses on them.. i just don't know if they are informal settlers or something.. so it would actually be more costly if they made this u-turn wider..

ericlucky290

August 24th, 2008, 05:55 PM

Any updates on the MMDA's Rotonda Contest at NAIA?

Sky Harbor

August 25th, 2008, 02:00 AM

U-turn slots lead to big fuel savings -- MMDA study (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/metro/view/20080825-156625/U-turn-slots-lead-to-big-fuel-savings----MMDA-study)

By DJ Yap
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 04:49:00 08/25/2008

MANILA, Philippines—An in-house study conducted by the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority has shown that its much maligned U-turn slots on major thoroughfares has led to P40 million to P50 million in fuel savings for motorists every year since 2005.

The MMDA also pointed out that its rerouting schemes have saved motorists more than P2 billion yearly in terms of gains in opportunity and productivity as a result of faster travel time.

The cost-savings analysis was based on the findings of a study conducted by the MMDA Traffic Engineering Center, the agency’s public information office said in a statement Sunday.

“In terms of fuel savings only, P42.84 million [has been] saved every year since 2005 on normal U-turn slots on non-widened roads, while P51.45 million [has been] saved on U-turn slots on widened roads,” it quoted MMDA Chair Bayani Fernando as saying.

According to the MMDA, the savings resulted from significant increases in the average vehicular speed on major thoroughfares where 23 U-turn slots had been set up by the agency.

“In terms of total savings to motorists, or the savings in take-home pay and lost opportunity and productivity, it was revealed that up to P2.33 billion [has been] saved every year since 2005,” the agency said.

The MMDA observed that despite brickbats thrown its way because of the “unconventional” U-turn slot scheme, “what they don’t know is that the U-turn slot has operational efficiency in time and space.”

“At a U-turn slot, the flow of vehicles is nonstop and non-gap,” the agency added.

“This is felt even more when traveling at night, in which the flow of traffic at the U-turn slot is continuous, unlike some corners where motorists need to stop at the red light,” it said.