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Sweden were the real winner of Euro 92. We won againts you in the first stage of the tournament ;)
Yep, everybody knows that – and ze Germans were just lucky to beat you in the semi-finals ;)

I think that Sweden will need a co-host, Interested Denmark? =)
That would be mighty awesome. Bring it on! :cheers:

I think that Sweden will need a co-host, Interested Denmark? =)

Dissing us this time?

Dissing us this time?

Lol, I think Gluten is up for a big disappointment :lol:

oh, and many Danes also...

Norweigans, It was your fault that our bid together for 2016 was pulled off.
You weren't interested enough.

Speaking of euro 92, Germany was alot better than Netherlands.
It should have been Swe-Den in the final.
And we all know how that would have ended ;)

We wasnt interested enough? :nuts: The government in both Sweden and Norway couldt guarantee mpney support. The norwegian football federal was very interested and the plans went really far. Actually it seems like we was more crazy about it than "you swedes" according to some other swedish forumers here... But it was the governments decision.

the swedish papers said that you guys said that you couldn't raise the money.
then the swedish goverment followed after you since it was no meaning in trying to host it by ourselves.
According to the president of the swedish fotball association "was it a bummer" cause he said that we could solved that problem in Sweden.
We haved already started to build two stadiums that would have worked perfectly. + an easy renovation of Ullevi and a simple expandation of Swedbank Stadion and we would have almost all stadiums finished for a descent cost.

I'm not saying that Norway is poor, just that you in Norway should have been forced to bigger investment than us. Mostly because your stadiums a lovely, but all pretty small. Plus that the public utility system in Norway should have been forced to a big expansion. Transportation of supporters is a big cost when it comes to hosting big events, and the swedish railway is miles ahead Norways, and the Swedish is miles back France who we competed against.

So the cost for Norway would have been alot bigger than the cost for Sweden. There is so much that proofs this theory.

The swedish cities are slighly/very bigger and wouldn't be forced to so many new hotels and expansions to manage all the tourists.

I'm not looking for enimies, this is just what I've heared from papers and other medias, so don't get angry cause our papers are rubbish.

the swedish papers said that you guys said that you couldn't raise the money.


Links?

I'm pretty sure it was Sweden that couldn't afford it, and Norway said the same so it wouldn't be to embarrising for Sweden. Anyway, a lot of info can be found in the Euro 2016 thread we have in our forum.

let's check tomorrow. Tired as Jörgen Brink ;)

the swedish papers said that you guys said that you couldn't raise the money.
then the swedish goverment followed after you since it was no meaning in trying to host it by ourselves.

Source? With less i reading it myself, it sound pretty weird.
This (http://www.nrksport.no/1.6903298) link states that both the norwegian and the swedish gouverment found the application not good enough.

According to the president of the swedish fotball association "was it a bummer" cause he said that we could solved that problem in Sweden.
We haved already started to build two stadiums that would have worked perfectly. + an easy renovation of Ullevi and a simple expandation of Swedbank Stadion and we would have almost all stadiums finished for a descent cost.

Things was pretty clear here too, the new stadiums was decided and all...


So the cost for Norway would have been alot bigger than the cost for Sweden. There is so much that proofs this theory.

The swedish cities are slighly/very bigger and wouldn't be forced to so many new hotels and expansions to manage all the tourists.

"I Norge ble det søkt om et statstilskudd på 5,7 milliarder kroner, mens det tilsvarende tallet i Sverige var på cirka tre milliarder kroner"

So the cost for Norways goverment would have been almost twice as big?
I think it's pretty big difference in 3 billions.

Why not an update from the eastcoast and Kalmar.
Here are some pics from their new stadium(c.a 12 000 seats) that will be ready around next April.

http://www.kalmarff.se/sites/default/files/imagecache/cache_column_size//sites/default/files/Bilder/nya-arenan/DSC_0127_0.JPG

http://www.kalmarff.se/sites/default/files/imagecache/cache_column_size//sites/default/files/Bilder/nya-arenan/anders/2010-09-15-no-hornet.jpg

http://www.kalmarff.se/sites/default/files/imagecache/cache_column_size//sites/default/files/Bilder/nya-arenan/anders/2010-09-15-nv-hornet.jpg

http://www.kalmarff.se/sites/default/files/imagecache/cache_column_size//sites/default/files/Bilder/nya-arenan/anders/2010-09-15-loger.jpg

http://www.kalmarff.se/sites/default/files/imagecache/cache_column_size//sites/default/files/Bilder/nya-arenan/DSC_0009_1.JPG

http://www.kalmarff.se/sites/default/files/imagecache/cache_column_size//sites/default/files/Bilder/nya-arenan/DSC_0046_0.JPG

http://www.kalmarff.se/sites/default/files/imagecache/cache_column_size//sites/default/files/Bilder/nya-arenan/DSC_0013_0.JPG

http://www.kalmarff.se/sites/default/files/imagecache/cache_column_size//sites/default/files/Bilder/nya-arenan/DSC_0303.JPG

Very stupid to use the hated 3 tier system in this kind of little stadium.
but there is only one stand that are being built in 3 tiers... the other 3 are built in 2 tiers.

But everything is better than Kalmar FFs old stadium: Fredriksskans
http://imagecache.soccerway.com/venues/300x225/340.jpg

Really stupid to use two tiers for such a small arena. Why not build just one tier? Anyhow, nice update! Im surprised how fast it has been constructed.

Seems that Sweden will be the only country with a big new national stadium. The plans for a new stadium in Oslo are now officially dead! Nothing will happen, at least the next 10-15 years :wallbash::skull::wallbash::wallbash::fiddle::hammer::crazy2::mad2::mad::bash::nuts::goodnight:cry:

Wait, what? Why? 25000 is enough for the capital in all known future? And what happened to the so-called "Groruddal-satsningen", that both local and national politicians spoke of so greatly?

Norway is the 14th best national team in the world. Ullevaal as we see it today, is a disgrace, and not worthy of this team. Ullevaal is also the home of the finals of the Norwegian cup. Always sold out.

Tear this staduim down, I say. No one wants it. Vålerenga doesn't want it, they want their own stadium. Lyn doesn't want it, cause they're bankrupt. Skeid doesn't want it, they're too small. Who wants Ullevaal? No one...

That suck big time. The plans are really dead? Do you have a link?

That suck big time. The plans are really dead? Do you have a link?

I'm sorry that I actually have.. (http://fotball.aftenposten.no/landslaget/article180837.ece)

I also found this (http://www.groruddalen.no/stadion-paa-kjelsrud-er-skrinlagt.4753976.html)

IKEA was the problem? Theire plans were hardly any news. Just BS from NFF, because they found out money had to come from somewhere, and Giske said no...

:ohno:

So they actually used 26 millions on a project that wasn't even possible to realize to begin with? Yeah right.. No way they are building it at Søndre Nordstrand, I rather wait 20 years.

Well, Stubberud is only a few hundred meters down the road...

Wait, what? Why? 25000 is enough for the capital in all known future? And what happened to the so-called "Groruddal-satsningen", that both local and national politicians spoke of so greatly?

Norway is the 14th best national team in the world. Ullevaal as we see it today, is a disgrace, and not worthy of this team. Ullevaal is also the home of the finals of the Norwegian cup. Always sold out.

Tear this staduim down, I say. No one wants it. Vålerenga doesn't want it, they want their own stadium. Lyn doesn't want it, cause they're bankrupt. Skeid doesn't want it, they're too small. Who wants Ullevaal? No one...

What?! 14th best team? how?

Sorry. Wrong post.

Please move this discussion to the sports thread. I's like to take part in the discussion but not in the Stadium and arena thread! :)

What?! 14th best team? how?

I've moved the responses to this to the thread in the Icebar
Bosco is right, that's where such discussions belong.

back to the topic, so Norway wont be able to build a new national stadium :(
But why are you guys in the west planning for a 50k stadium. That's way to big, my cousin who lives in Oslo said that you not even fill Ullevål today.

50 000 is to big for any club north Germany, It's to big for the city Oslo, It's to small for Champions League final.

I was sceptical to Stockholm with 2 millions in the big city area(http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm)

Oslo is almost half that size, 35.000-40.000 would be good enough and a hell of alot cheaper. :)

New indoor arena in Tromsø?
http://www.itromso.no/multimedia/dynamic/00448/Gullegg_02_fly_169_448512c.jpg
http://www.itromso.no/multimedia/dynamic/00448/Gullegg_05_interier_448514c.jpg
http://www.itromso.no/kultur/article391393.ece..

why all the indoor stadiums?
a possibility to just open the roof when the weather is good would have made everything so much better

why all the indoor stadiums?
a possibility to just open the roof when the weather is good would have made everything so much better
No, I doubt there would be any oppotunity to open the roof. Im not a big fan of indoor arenas, but up in Tromsø, I can funlly understand it as the tippeliga season has been extended.

It must be the first division team in the world who is based nearest one of the poles..?

Yes, Tromsø is the northernmost elite team in the world. However, Tromsø got a milder winter than 12 of the 16 teams playing in Russia.

My hometown Växjö just started to build a new hockeyarena to replace their old lakerdome. Sadly will the new name be VIDA ARENA and not Lakerdome ;)

Växjö Lakers is a good team in Allsvenskan, the second division in Sweden.
Their new home will be a 5.000 seater with a round jumbotron.
It will be standig section for the hardcorefans who likes to jump and fool around.

http://www.vaxjolakers.se/website1/1.0.1.0/368/images//5862_5c6104d33025800447b5fa6f5257e2c1.gif

This arena will be highly inspired by Swedbank Arena in Ö-vik
http://www.vaxjolakers.se/website1/1.0.1.0/368/images//5257_6301ade902557fe49c987fb16a01de7a100.jpg

They first looked at Gigantium Icearena in Aalborg, Denmark. But it wasn't good enough.
I feel for you hockeyfans in Denmark who doesn't have any better arena than that.
Maybe is it good that you aren't that many icehockeyfans in Denmark.
I mean so not so many people has to suffer ;)

http://webcam.griffel.se/webcam2/image.jpg

And here is a webcam over the building.
I can go there by myself later when it gets more exciting.

I'm hopeing for someting like Lindab Arena in Ängelholm.
http://www.roglebk.se/page/biljetter_2.jpg

at the moment there are building 3(!) new stadiums in Sweden, lovely :D

There is of course Swedbank Arena(50.000)
http://viktor.webcamtoddy.com/ImageHarvester/Images/arenastaden_3_live.jpg?counter=1286097098437

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And then it's Stockholmsarenan(30.000)
http://viktor.webcamtoddy.com/ImageHarvester/Images/stockholmsarenan_live.jpg?counter=1286096954628
http://www.stockholmsarenan.se/wp-content/gallery/stockholmsarenan/800x600_arena2_fotboll.jpg

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and Guldfåglen Arena(13.500)

Are there any upcoming project in Norway/Denmark/Finland/Baltics?

Are there any upcoming project in Norway/Denmark/Finland/Baltics?

Nothing that is U/C in Norway right now. In tthe next 2-3 years I'm pretty sure that we will see the construction of Vålerenga's new stadium. Probably an expansion of Ullevål stadium from 25k to 30k, and hopefully the indoor stadium in Tromsø.

Are there any upcoming project in Norway/Denmark/Finland/Baltics?Not too much happening stadiumwise here but we got some arenas UC. We have thread for it in the Danish section: Stadiums and Arenas in Denmark (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=993025)

What's the 10 largest stadiums in N&B?

What's the 10 largest stadiums in Norway?
What's the 10 largest stadiums in Sweden?
What's the 10 largest stadiums in Finland?
What's the 10 largest stadiums in Denmark?
What's the 10 largest stadiums in Iceland?
What's the 10 largest stadiums in Latvia?
What's the 10 largest stadiums in Lithuania?
What's the 10 largest stadiums in Estonia?

Anyone up to the task? post it here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1227843

I can go there by myself later when it gets more exciting.

I'm hopeing for someting like Lindab Arena in Ängelholm.

It will be be much better then Lindab :). Just check the drawings Bottom floor (http://vaxjo.se/upload/67352/LBA%20300-1-1%20Bottenplan.pdf) | 2nd (http://vaxjo.se/upload/69169/LBA%20300-1-2%20Plan%202.pdf) | 3d (http://vaxjo.se/upload/69171/LBA%20300-1-3%20Plan%203.pdf) | 4th (http://vaxjo.se/upload/69173/LBA%20300-1-4%20Plan%204.pdf)

happy days for Växjö, my town in the middle of the forest of Småland.
Today Sweden was selected to host Women Euro 2013.
That will be taken as an almost sure sign that Östers IF will get their new stadium.

Smålands Nationalarena or "The national stadium of Småland"
A 13.000 stadium built in wood and glass, because Småland is known as the kingdoom of wood&glass(orrefors,kostaboda).

It will be built right next door to their new VIDA Arena, in this new part of the town called " the Arenatown".
http://www.arkitektbolaget.se/1/1005.0.1.0/7/1/bild1_1b49ca9fa5911c327d8b35740bbfb5c4.jpg
http://www.arkitektbolaget.se/1/1005.0.1.0/7/1/bild3_1203ed7b67f071f83d38892e56bee6a3.jpg

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Exciting

^^

That youtube clip is not of the official design though..

no correct, just a hint.
but I like it :)

Another stadium here in Sweden that will host the Women Euro 2013 is Kalmar Arena (Guldfågeln Arena).
The capacity is 11 800 - 14 000 depending on usage and it will be finished the March 15 next year.
The arena facade is constructed of ETFE panels and will therefore be able to change color, like Allianz Arena in München.

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/5707/smallexterior.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/5684/smallseats.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1557/smallinterior.jpg
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/3262/20101005t.jpg

looks like it will be a battle of the title as Smålands Nationalstadium ;)

Nice, but very stupid to build in two and even three tiers in such a small stadium.

looks like it will be a battle of the title as Smålands Nationalstadium ;)

Nice, but very stupid to build in two and even three tiers in such a small stadium.

A battle? Kalmar's new arena costs 250 millons, Växjö's is planned to cost 150 millons. In Växjö they havent even pulled the financing together. The mayor is making strange statements about the arena, he isn't exactly supportive. I doubt they will manage to build anything before the Euro 2013. Looks like Kalmar has won already.

we are on the same page, Kalmars is a small but a real stadium, Växjös is just a bunch of planks.

I wrote battle cause it's pretty ironic that the cheaper,smaller and not excisting stadium tries to call it self for the "nationalstadium" of this region.

Seems that Sweden will be the only country with a big new national stadium. The plans for a new stadium in Oslo are now officially dead! Nothing will happen, at least the next 10-15 years :wallbash::skull::wallbash::wallbash::fiddle::hammer::crazy2::mad2::mad::bash::nuts::goodnight:cry:

And be glad for that! Look at the average attendance in this years Allsvenskan... Like 6 500 or something? That is just stupid to think that bigger stadiums will get more people to the games. Not because Norway have low attendance, cause they have not, but it's better with smaller and better stadiums than bigger stadiums with low attendances.

First of all: The Elitserien and Allsvenskan need to compromise with eachother. If the Elitserien play off series will end in the late of March and the Allsvenskan season will begin in the early April, and the same in the autumn, that Allsvenskan is ending in the late September and Elitserien starts in October, they shuldnt steal audience from eachother. And Allsvenskan need to learn from, honestly, bigger brother Superligaen. To have 12 team, and every team play eachother 3 times. Better standard of the league, and more attractive football.

But right now it feels like the old Greatness of Swedish football made the SvFF Grandiose delusions, and thought that it was them that knowed more than anybody else. But right now, they need to change the formate of the Allsvenskan, to make the standard of the league better than it is right now. It is wierd that the Swedish league has so low standard as it right now has, because in the 90's, the Swedish league was one of the better in the Northern Europe. But since Swedish Football Federation hasnt follow the rest of Europe in Football, the League has been lower and Lower (And we also have problems with our high taxes, but that is a political question).

But IF the SvFF would change the formate and if the Tax rules will change, I think the Swedish football will be much better in the future, and that is why I slightly believe in the Swedbank Arena.

^^What do you mean? Allsvenskan usually ends early november not september...

12 teams and 3 games against every opponent, that would make 33 rounds. Today we have 30. And still you want the league to have one month shorter season? It wouldn't work.

Cannibalism between football and hockey exists, sure. But you can't avoid it by completely separating the seasons. Then you will have to play less games and the club's economy would suffer from that instead.

^^ The current Superliga structure has also been much debated here in Denmark, for years actually. It seems to be quite hated, but they can't come up some anything better.

The worst part about it is of course that you have to face some teams 2 times at home, others 2 away, so there's always big debate when the schedule is released.

It is so great to see Guldfågeln Arena being constructed-- it sure feels like there's somewhat of a stadium boom in Sweden at the moment, reminiscent of what we've seen in Denmark and Norway in previous year. I hope this will contribute to make Allsvenskan a more attractive league for live spectators.

12 teams and 3 games against every opponent, that would make 33 rounds. Today we have 30. And still you want the league to have one month shorter season? It wouldn't work.

Cannibalism between football and hockey exists, sure. But you can't avoid it by completely separating the seasons. Then you will have to play less games and the club's economy would suffer from that instead.

Sorry, I made a wrong there, It shuld be Late October or Early November and NOT late September. Sorry for that.

But I can't see why the Danish complanes? You have bye far the best league in all of Scandinavia, the league that give the audience most attraction to the game and best of all, the best league system. Cause if you play each team 3 times, then you will play the better teams more times and the football gets better (Simpel explanation). Like when the league had a Play Off in the 80's. It made Allsvenskan the best league in Scandinavia (While Gothenburg won the UEFA Cup).

Read more about this thoughts here:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/fotboll/sverige/allsvenskan/article7686763.ab

And there is a big problem, at least in the Stockholm area, that we have both Hockey and Football. Everytime Football is bigger, Hockey is smaller, and everytime Hockey is bigger, Football is Smaller. It can be a solution if the Hockey league choose to have less games (Today it is 55, 12 teams) and a shorter season that will end while the Allsvenskan starts. That could work in the Theory, but it hasn't been tested yet, so this is right now, for me, just a hypothesis.

Swedbank Arena will not be used for Allsvenskan.
Yes AIK is a proposed guest in that stadium, but they will work hard for something own in the size of (30-35,000). But they're not economically stable at the moment and will probably take some seasons in Swedbank or Stockholms Arenan(30.000) to get on their feet.

The other new stadiums that already are finished and the onces that are building right now has a perfect size for Allsvenskan. Borås(17k) Kalmar(13k) Malmö(24k) DIF(18k)
IFK,GAIS,ÖIS(18k) Hammarby(30k),Norrköping(16k)

In planning: Göteborg(10k), Trelleborg(9k), Växjö(12k), Linköping(?), Umeå(8-11k)

I can's see any oversized stadiums, it's just AIK who's in trouble.

From todays SMP:
Växjö has now 2 proposes for their new 12.000 seater, one bowl arena as in Malmö, Kalmar but smaller.

And one more open, modern and unique.

Both built in wood and glass.
Admit that the 2nd option sounds scary, it's a stadium and not a painting.
I'm frightened for a new "Sundsvall"
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/sweden/sundsvall_idrottsparken2.jpg

New arena for Djurgården is geting closer.

Djurgården is one step closer to it's long-awaited arena, the economy looks good and now it only remains to convince the landowner.

http://nyheter24.se/incoming/article430521.ece/ALTERNATES/img514x344/Picture+2_3x2.jpg

Google translate

Djurgarden closer to getting a new arena

Djurgården is one step closer to it's long-awaited arena, the economy looks good and now it only remains to convince the landowner.

A new building costing has namely been developed, and now the Royal Canal has concluded that the project stays within the economic margins - and that costs are not likely to run away, reports the New Ostermalm.

Green light from the economic direction, that is. And the alliance's budget, it appears that the City should help if it is to Djurgården can demonstrate a credible financing.

More than 450 million stadium is expected to cost. Besides football, it is intended that this will be day-care, social services, culture and the activities currently on Östermalms IP

ABC regional news:
http://svtplay.se/v/2228419/djurgarden_narmare_ny_arena

In a not too distant future, Stockholm will be packed with new stadiums :okay:

That's awsome :D

With Swedbank Arena, Stockholmsarenan and Djurgårds Arenan will STHLM dominate this area when it comes to stadiums.

Add also Globen and Hovet as hockeyarenas that have no competition outside Sweden in Scandinavia. And Stockholms stadion as a classical olympic stadium for track and field.

This will affect CPH in a very positive way :) They will see their lack of worldsclass venues and starting to build new ones.

No one could be happier than this thread

Swedbank Arena will not be used for Allsvenskan.
Yes AIK is a proposed guest in that stadium, but they will work hard for something own in the size of (30-35,000). But they're not economically stable at the moment and will probably take some seasons in Swedbank or Stockholms Arenan(30.000) to get on their feet.

The other new stadiums that already are finished and the onces that are building right now has a perfect size for Allsvenskan. Borås(17k) Kalmar(13k) Malmö(24k) DIF(18k)
IFK,GAIS,ÖIS(18k) Hammarby(30k),Norrköping(16k)

In planning: Göteborg(10k), Trelleborg(9k), Växjö(12k), Linköping(?), Umeå(8-11k)

I can's see any oversized stadiums, it's just AIK who's in trouble.

You can't see how a 30k stadium is oversized for Hammarby :uh:Hammarby had ~6k people at their games this season, and even though advancement to Allsvenskan and a new stadium would boost their audience level, they probarly won't fill half the stadium most game. If I'm not wrong Djurgården have more fans than Hammarby, and their stadium is just above half the size of Stockholmsarenan.

You can't see how a 30k stadium is oversized for Hammarby :uh:Hammarby had ~6k people at their games this season, and even though advancement to Allsvenskan and a new stadium would boost their audience level, they probarly won't fill half the stadium most game. If I'm not wrong Djurgården have more fans than Hammarby, and their stadium is just above half the size of Stockholmsarenan.

Stockholmsarenan is not built as or thought of as exclusively a fotball arena!

Stockholmsarenan is not built as or thought of as exclusively a fotball arena!

No, I was just refering to when it will host Hammarby's games. Concert pictures all look cool, but I think the city hall should've listened and involved Hammarby more in the process when they were planning the arena (and that's comming from an AIK fan ;)) as they should be it's main source of income. Feels like the city council dosent care about the local clubs:ohno:

Oh so you are AIK fan, that's why you are so jealous :)
A 30k stadium is pretty perfect for Hammarby if they ever reach the topleague again ;)

With 30.000 seats they can even host big games as HIF-DIF/AIK

And I think it's a must to be able to host their own derbies, after all the problems with derbies at sös

Oh so you are AIK fan, that's why you are so jealous :)
A 30k stadium is pretty perfect for Hammarby if they ever reach the topleague again ;)

No, its not! A half full stadium killing the football experience compered to a full stadium, its not good at all.

Oh so you are AIK fan, that's why you are so jealous :)
A 30k stadium is pretty perfect for Hammarby if they ever reach the topleague again ;)

With 30.000 seats they can even host big games as HIF-DIF/AIK

And I think it's a must to be able to host their own derbies, after all the problems with derbies at sös

Sure derbies will be sold out, but the rest of the games will be pretty lame (mood wise) with 15k people. But ofcourse I agree with the fact that Hammarby must be able to host their own derbies :)

mjoks007

You are norwegian right?
Please understand that the arena situation in Stockholm is really complicated.

There is AIK, with an average of 15-20.000. Their perfect stadium would been 28-30.000 simply cause it's enough for derbies and not too many emty places in regulary games.

Djurgården and Hammarby's average is around 10.000. Maybe not this year but in a historical perspective. Perfect stadium would be 20.000.

The problem are the derbies, when these 3 teams are on fire at the same moment(never happen) you could sell 50.000 tickets to derbies. When two of them are playing well(from 2003-2007) you could sell 30-35.000 tickets.

When just one team plays well, as last year; maybe 25.000 tickets to derbies.

And years like this year when all of the city teams are playing like shit; average on derbies is maybe around 20-22,000.

So these three clubs must be able to host everything from maybe 40.000 to 19.000 people on derbies.

And these games are often very messy and filled with problems and fighting, some extra room in the stands are not negative in a safe-perspective!

I'm pleased that Djurgården has decided to have a maximum capacity of 18,000. I'll take a smaller, tighter arena any day instead of a larger one like Stockholmsarenan or Swedbank. Just like I choose Hovet instead of the Globe. The atmosphere is just unbeatable. :cheers:

It's quite funny cause many clubs in Sweden goes right under that 18.000 limit.
Elfsborg,GAIS,ÖIS,DIF,IFKG,IFK N..

^^ Not that strange since most teams in Sweden can't attract any bigger crowds. They seem to fill their purpose quite well :)

I meant it was funny cause there are so many clubs with around the same ability to attract crowds.

The average in Sweden would be pretty good if it weren't for clubs like Gefle,BP, Ljungskile and Trelleborg

^^
And with less clubs in the top flight league I suppose. Maybe that will change soon.

On another topic, I remember reading sometime before the season, that Norrköping were going to renovate the last stand of Parken if they reached Allsvenskan, anyone know the status on this?

I hope so, but's kinda cocky for a newcomer in the league to own a topclass stadium with just one bad spot; missing roof for the guesting supporters.

If they forfilled the plans, parken would be a mini, brittania stadium of stoke :)
Nice

Since 2000 Hammarby has had an average attendance between 10k and 14k and you don't hav to study maths to figure out that the new stadium will mostly be less than half full. The first year we will maybe have a few thousand extra, because people want to try the facilities, but then it would most likely go back to normal. When our average is around 11k the derbies are included, which means that there most of the matches will be less than 10k on the stands. I am very happy we are getting a modern stadium, but are afraid an oversized stadium will give you a feeling of being lonly on the match and on the long term this will destroy the interest for the club. 18.000 would have been the perfect size and if we should manage to qualify for CL we could have used our new National Arena. Another problem is that this will not be a stadium owned by Hammarby, which means that we are not improving our financial situation by having a new stadium. With an 18k stadium we would have to pay less rent and keep more of the money we get from the tickets.

It's quite funny cause many clubs in Sweden goes right under that 18.000 limit.
Elfsborg,GAIS,ÖIS,DIF,IFKG,IFK N..

How can you say that the limit for these clubs are just under 18.000. Maybe IFKG need 15k and the rest between 7k and 10k. A football stadium are supposed to be more or less sold out every match to keep the interest up. Most of the clubs here attract between 4k and 7k and it would be stupid to to build stadiums 4 times bigger than the need. Building stadiums for the few derbies would be bad economy for the clubs. Its the players that win the matches, not the size of the stadiums. We should learn from Norway where they are building fantastic stadiums with the right size.

I meant it was funny cause there are so many clubs with around the same ability to attract crowds.

The average in Sweden would be pretty good if it weren't for clubs like Gefle,BP, Ljungskile and Trelleborg

Not that good. If yo take the twelve teams that attract most people this season, the average would be 7792. Doing the same in Norway would be 9561, which still is less than we had two years ago. This doesnt mean much since its the teams that win the matches that stay in the top leauge and not the ones that attract most people.

Allsvenskan drew the largest crowds in the Nordics not many years ago, with well over 10.000 as a league average (14 clubs then). I think the deteriorating quality of the venues (while new stadiums have been built all over DK and NO) has a large part in this. It seems to be somewhat changing now though.

Allsvenskan drew the largest crowds in the Nordics not many years ago, with well over 10.000 as a league average (14 clubs then). I think the deteriorating quality of the venues (while new stadiums have been built all over DK and NO) has a large part in this. It seems to be somewhat changing now though.

The highest attendance in Scandinavia since 2000
Denmark: 8814 (2008/2009)
Sweden: 10258 (2007)
Norway: 10485 (2007)

If we compare the attendance with the population, all the Scandinavian countries have much higher attendance than England and Germany and it would be naive to think we could stablize on higher average than 10.000.

Its my opinion that most clubs are building to big stadiums. Perfect size would be:

FCK: 25k
AIK: 22k
RBK: 22k
Malmø: 22k
VIF: 20k
Brann: 20k
Brøndby: 18k
IFK G: 15k
Hammarby: 15k
Djurgården: 15k
Viking: 15k
Århus: 13k
Ålesund: 12k
Fredrikstad: 12k
Start: 12k
Esbjerg: 12k
Elfsborg: 10k
Molde: 10k
Stabæk: 10k
Lillestrøm: 10k
Ålborg: 10k
Odense: 10k
FC Midtjylland: 10k

All other teams need stadiums smaller than 10k. This means that most scandinavian teams have bigger stadiums than they need, which means less money to the football and less fun on the stands.

How can you say that the limit for these clubs are just under 18.000. Maybe IFKG need 15k and the rest between 7k and 10k. A football stadium are supposed to be more or less sold out every match to keep the interest up. Most of the clubs here attract between 4k and 7k and it would be stupid to to build stadiums 4 times bigger than the need. Building stadiums for the few derbies would be bad economy for the clubs. Its the players that win the matches, not the size of the stadiums. We should learn from Norway where they are building fantastic stadiums with the right size.


You missed my point, I said that's funny and strange how many clubs in Sweden goes for a stadium with a capacity between 15-18.000.
Not that all of these clubs could fill those stadiums..


ÖSK and Elfsborg, IFK Göteborg has in my opinion pretty perfect sized stadiums.

You missed my point, I said that's funny and strange how many clubs in Sweden goes for a stadium with a capacity between 15-18.000.
Not that all of these clubs could fill those stadiums..


ÖSK and Elfsborg, IFK Göteborg has in my opinion pretty perfect sized stadiums.

Does Örebro and Elfsborg really fill their stadiums? Göteborg is only having a bad year, I think they has an average of about 15k last season (or am I thinking of Malmö?), their stadium is perfectly sized.

Elfsborg: 10k ?

I think that Elfsborg has been over 10 K at least twice the last 5 years. and close the rest of the times. And they have been playing qualification-games in Europe the last 4-5 years.
Meet teams like SC Braga,Lazio,Valencia,Fiorentina,AEK Athen,Napoli.

It would be stupid to have such a small stadium as 10k, when they can earn big money on games like these.


And as Staff wrote, Allsvenskan has over the last years stuggled with the worst stadiums. Many clubs are building new ones so the average will probably be bigger.
And IFK Norrköping will play in Allsvenskan next season instead of BP, that will make a huge difference.

Read this article yesterday about big economical crises for tippeligaen, even RBK presented negative results. Maybe the glory days of RBK in Europe are over?

For the first time in a long time, the 4 best teams in allsvenskan will be playing in Europe.(usually there is one team qualified by just fair play) I think that just one qualification to EL or CL will increase the interrest massively. As 2007 when HIF and IFE qualified.
And that year the average of allsvenskan were 10258?

I don't think clubs like IFE,IFK and ÖSK really thinks that they can fill their stadium every week. Elfsborg and Örebro are just glad if that's happen once a year. But when they play in europe there is a high risk of faceing really good teams because of allsvenskans bad rating.

I'm saying it would be stupid to not take advantage of that opportunity to sell tickets.
It's a pretty big difference to sell 18.000 instead of 10.000

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I don't think clubs like IFE,IFK and ÖSK really thinks that they can fill their stadium every week. Elfsborg and Örebro are just glad if that's happen once a year. But when they play in europe there is a high risk of faceing really good teams because of allsvenskans bad rating.

I'm saying it would be stupid to not take advantage of that opportunity to sell tickets.
It's a pretty big difference to sell 18.000 instead of 10.000

You don't pay 8000 extra seat by selling them once every year. The money these seats cost will have to be taken from the clubs budget, which means less money for players and recruitment. We have had the discussion in Norway when clubs like RBK, VIF and Bran were planning to build stadiums between 25k and 30k. Luckely the money people and not the suporters won the discussion.

Why are people debating over big stadiums. The only really club that actually will have a over siezed stadium gonna be aik:s new arena. Hammarbys entering to allsvenskan will easily generate 17-20.000 with some expectations of 30k+ games and in 15-30 years they will easily fill 30000. Why build an arena that's going to be to small in 10 years? Djurgårdens arena will also be to small for derbys and cl games.

About Djurgårdens stadium
They decided to go with astroturf

Why are people debating over big stadiums. The only really club that actually will have a over siezed stadium gonna be aik:s new arena. Hammarbys entering to allsvenskan will easily generate 17-20.000 with some expectations of 30k+ games and in 15-30 years they will easily fill 30000. Why build an arena that's going to be to small in 10 years? Djurgårdens arena will also be to small for derbys and cl games.

I disagree. Yes, they should build bigger than their current audience average but not twice their current audience. One can say its smart and long-sighted, but Im pretty sure to big stadiums will make the audience average stagnate rather than slowly increase in a long term. I think its better to build a stadium with 5000-7000 more seats than their current average and rather build the stadium for a future expansion. Vålerenga in Oslo will build their stadium for 22.000 seats, but will made for a future capasity of 35.000

Why are people debating over big stadiums. The only really club that actually will have a over siezed stadium gonna be aik:s new arena. Hammarbys entering to allsvenskan will easily generate 17-20.000 with some expectations of 30k+ games and in 15-30 years they will easily fill 30000. Why build an arena that's going to be to small in 10 years? Djurgårdens arena will also be to small for derbys and cl games.
While agree that it is good to build with a longer perspective mind, I don't see how Hammarby would have an average attendance of 17.000-20.000 at any point (unless both AIK and Djurgården would suddenly lose their fan bases). Didn't they have something like 6.000 this season, and have they ever had more than like 14.000 during a season in modern times (and that includes Råsunda derbies with a capacity of 34-35.000)?

I see it as especially unlikely if the other two clubs in Stockholm are expected to draw fairly large crowds as well. While it certainly isn't a zero sum game, "event goers" are a large part of the football crowds in Sweden's major cities, and if Djurgården (for example) would be doing well and manage to attract large crowds during a season, it will partly be at the expense of AIK's and Hammarby's attendances, and vice versa.

It is my opinion Stockholm is too small to have three large football clubs-- both attendance-wise and results-wise. If there would only be two clubs (or one, in the best case scenario) from Stockholm in Allsvenskan there would be a more realistic possibility of them to be successful internationally, á la FCK. As it is now I think both IFK G and MFF (being completely dominating clubs in catchment areas of around 1 million people) have more potential to gain success in the European cups.

Moving on Kaunas "Žalgirio" arena
from: miestai.net
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Djurgårdens arena will also be to small for derbys and cl games.

Nah, not necessarily. The last derby at Råsunda was played in front of about 18 000 people. Djurgården will of course play both derbies and Europa League/CL-games at their new arena, otherwise the point of building a new arena would be kind of lost. :)

While agree that it is good to build with a longer perspective mind, I don't see how Hammarby would have an average attendance of 17.000-20.000 at any point (unless both AIK and Djurgården would suddenly lose their fan bases). Didn't they have something like 6.000 this season, and have they ever had more than like 14.000 during a season in modern times (and that includes Råsunda derbies with a capacity of 34-35.000)?

I see it as especially unlikely if the other two clubs in Stockholm are expected to draw fairly large crowds as well. While it certainly isn't a zero sum game, "event goers" are a large part of the football crowds in Sweden's major cities, and if Djurgården (for example) would be doing well and manage to attract large crowds during a season, it will partly be at the expense of AIK's and Hammarby's attendances, and vice versa.

It is my opinion Stockholm is too small to have three large football clubs-- both attendance-wise and results-wise. If there would only be two clubs (or one, in the best case scenario) from Stockholm in Allsvenskan there would be a more realistic possibility of them to be successful internationally, á la FCK. As it is now I think both IFK G and MFF (being completely dominating clubs in catchment areas of around 1 million people) have more potential to gain success in the European cups.
Hammarby have had 13-14 during it's time in Allsvenskan. With that in mind, Söderstadion has been really crappy stadium. The reason why AIK has a high attendance is because they have a comfortable arena, good access and so on. Me and my brother has actually avoided Söderstadion because of that and I know I'm not the only one.

If AIK would play on a arena like Hammarby their audience would be lower not doubt. Just look at the attendance for AIK hockey games for example, not very good. AIK is also a perfect example of that big arenas actually increase the audience, not decrease.

If u look at actual supporters I think hammarby has most supporters according to a survey that was conducted a few years ago. However AIK seem to have most members in their fan club. So it's a bit controversial to actually determine who wins.

However with the 30.000+ arena. We can also use it for EURO championship and of course champions leauge.

Nah, not necessarily. The last derby at Råsunda was played in front of about 18 000 people. Djurgården will of course both derbies and Europa League/CL-games at their new arena, otherwise the point of building a new arena would be kind of lost. :)
yes but it will be to small. Leaving an extreme amount of demand that wont be filled.

yes but it will be to small. Leaving an extreme amount of demand that wont be filled.

Again, I disagree. Djurgården is doing the right thing here. Instead of building an arena that depends on derbies to be filled, the club is trying to build an arena that fits the amount of fans the club has. DIF Hockey has recently done the same thing when they moved to Hovet instead of playing in an empty Globen. (Note that no team except the Tre Kronor use Globen on a regular basis.) This has created a higher demand for tickets, which in turn creates a better atmosphere at the games. I don't see that kind of demand as a bad thing.

Again, I disagree. Djurgården is doing the right thing here. Instead of building an arena that depends on derbies to be filled, the club is trying to build an arena that fits the amount of fans the club has. DIF Hockey has recently done the same thing when they moved to Hovet instead of playing in an empty Globen. (Note that no team except the Tre Kronor use Globen on a regular basis.) This has created a higher demand for tickets, which in turn creates a better atmosphere at the games. I don't see that kind of demand as a bad thing.

But they're still playing all the derbies in Globen, just to take advantage of 14.000 seats instead of 8.000

But they're still playing all the derbies in Globen, just to take advantage of 14.000 seats instead of 8.000

Unfortunately yes, and also due to some security issues, but my point still stands. No club plays there on a regular basis.

About Djurgårdens stadium
They decided to go with astroturf

I am surprised how many clubs in sweden and norway who seem to go with this crap fake turf.

But if they do see it as the future, then why not put roofs over stadiums as well. Fixed roofs arent particularly expensive and the only good thing about fake turf is that it would allow for winter leagues.

I am surprised how many clubs in sweden and norway who seem to go with this crap fake turf.

But if they do see it as the future, then why not put roofs over stadiums as well. Fixed roofs arent particularly expensive and the only good thing about fake turf is that it would allow for winter leagues.

I think it's the correct choice to go with astroturf.
At least if we are going to play autumn-spring instead of the current spring-autumn.
Fixed roof?
No thanks but mobile roof-constructions as Swedbank Arena will be great.

The astroturf will also inprove the swedish players skill and technique.
But real grass should be standard where it's possible(Malmö,Kalmar,Hällevik,Trelleborg,Helsingborg,Landskrona, and maybe STHLM)

Rainy places as Borås, Växjö,Göteborg and Örebro have my blessing to go artificial

New stadium for Öster IF from Växjö southern Sweden.
Öster Arena is going to be built by NCC, ready for 12.000 people and hopefully a team in allsvenskan 2012.

Built in concrete, wood and glass. It will be restaurant, fanpub and everything you could ask for.
10 000 seats and 2000 standing places.

Negative:
It will be built in 2 tiers wich looks kinda ridicolus when it comes to small stadiums. But it looks not so dumb because they will build up a "ring" around the outside. So you can just walk in between the tiers and down to the lower part.
I would say it looks like a mini-version of Gamla Ullevi, wich was drawn by the same architect.

And some pictures:


http://www.arkitektbyrangbg.se/files/gallery/522.jpg
http://www.arkitektbyrangbg.se/files/gallery/521.jpg
http://www.arkitektbyrangbg.se/files/gallery/520.jpg
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New stadium for Öster IF from Växjö southern Sweden...

... It will be built in 2 tiers wich looks kinda ridicolus when it comes to small stadiums. But it looks not so dumb because they will build up a "ring" around the outside. So you can just walk in between the tiers and down to the lower part.
I would say it looks like a mini-version of Gamla Ullevi, wich was drawn by the same architect.

I think it looks good, also with the two tiers. And they have probably made that choise, because they want VIP lounges etc., in between the tiers. Like it or not, but having good VIP functions is financially very important in modern football.

I think it looks good, also with the two tiers. And they have probably made that choise, because they want VIP lounges etc., in between the tiers. Like it or not, but having good VIP functions is financially very important in modern football.

It is also safer because the crowd on the lower tier have huge amount of exits, they can just walk up and through the tiers. And the spectators at the higher tier have their own exits.

I think its just stupid, the original plan was much better with one tier. It would be more impressive also, now you can really see it's a small stadium with that tiny first tier. But hey it's better then nothing :)

I am surprised how many clubs in sweden and norway who seem to go with this crap fake turf.

But if they do see it as the future, then why not put roofs over stadiums as well. Fixed roofs arent particularly expensive and the only good thing about fake turf is that it would allow for winter leagues.

This is of course total BS.

Take for example DIFs new stadium. They plan to use the stadium for more teams than their first squad for training and matches including the woman's team and some youth teams. Now, tell me how they are going to do that with natural grass or grassmaster?

There are lots of benefits from using artificial turf.

They plan to use the stadium for more teams than their first squad for training and matches including the woman's team and some youth teams.

I real never understand why the main arena has to be multiarena for youth and women to make them feel important.

it's extremely inspiring for both the womens and the youth team to practise and play games at a real stadium.


It's very popular to build in two tiers in Sweden at the moment. So I'm just happy that Öster didn't choosed to build as Kalmar FF in 3(!) in a 12.000 seater.

I real never understand why the main arena has to be multiarena for youth and women to make them feel important.

Ok. Let me explain something for you non stockholmers.

Up until a few years ago all Djurgården youth teams and the women's team sheared ONE grass field. Then came artificial grass and the situation got a little bit better because you could use the pitches more efficiently and convert most gravel pitches (that 99% of all stockholm kids playing football grew up with) into artificial grass. But we are a long way from having enough pitches to support the youth teams. There are hundreds of kids on waiting lists for an opportunity to play for Djurgårdens IF, and the same goes for many other sports and clubs. That is why we need to use every pitch to the maximum. Not to make some players feel important (although that might be a positive bi product), but because the organization will benefit from it.

Looking good in Växjö despite the almost 30 centimetres of snow :)
http://webcam.griffel.se/image.aspx/arena/2010-11-30/16/full.jpg

Opening game: Sweden-Brazil
August 15, 2012

Shame to loose the first game :lol:

http://www.swedbankarenan.se/files/images/flygbilder/2010oktober.jpg

November 30th:
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Opening game: Sweden-Brazil
August 15, 2012

Shame to loose the first game :lol:

http://www.swedbankarenan.se/files/images/flygbilder/2010oktober.jpg

November 30th:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1170.snc4/154226_466589500974_364505170974_5757522_5880712_n.jpg


Don't be so negative. Sweden will have good chances in that game. I just remeber Sweden-Brazil at Emirates in London a couple of years ago, when Anders Svensson was dominating the centerfield against Anderson.

^^

Yes playing Brasil in a friendly is surtenly not the same thing as playing against them during a world championchip.

I don't think this one has been posted before, if it has then I'm sorry!
But then the article found through the link below is new! :)

Vetlanda
Småland

A bandy and Icehockey arena for 4000 people. It is built in a way so it's easily expandable in the future. It's under comstruction!

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8554/42065arenavetlanda.jpg


Arenabolag bygger en modern isanläggning i Vetlanda på nästan 14 000 kvadratmeter. Genom en flexibel konstruktion ska anläggningen kunna expandera och anpassas efter framtida behov.

http://www.byggnyheter.se/2010/12/isarena-med-plats-f-r-4-000-personer

^^

really nice facility for a village with 12.000 people :)

Sarpsborg 08 planning a new stadium:

http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af172/mjoks007/sarpsborg1.jpg
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af172/mjoks007/sarpsborg2.jpg

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/ostfold/1.7394273

^^
Really cute and it's just not another bowlstadium. It's a bit unique :)
Looks kinda french to me.

Christmas at Swedbank Arena in STHLM
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First seat installed at Guldfåglen Arena :)
http://www.kalmarff.se/sites/default/files/imagecache/cache_column_size//sites/default/files/Bilder/2010/Nyhetsbilder/nya_arenan/forsta-stol.jpg

Could only find one small picture of Aker Stadium in Molde in this thread. So, here are a few pics of Scandinavias most beautiful stadium!

http://www.universeofphotos.com/Nettbilder/stor/forumbilder/20101210/_DSC0758_1024_u.jpg

http://www.universeofphotos.com/Nettbilder/stor/forumbilder/20101210/DSC_0622_1024_u.jpg

http://www.universeofphotos.com/Nettbilder/stor/forumbilder/20101210/DSC_0017_1024_u.jpg

^^ I think the setting near the fjord is more beautiful than the stadium itself. The most beautiful stadium in our region is Nya Ullevi in Gothenburg – guess why ;) But the older ones like Bislett in Oslo, Stockholm Olympic Stadium and NRGi Park in Aarhus are quite charming too IMO...

Molde stadion is very nice looking outside, I think. Great use of granite in the facade. The impression inside however gets a bit destroyed with two floors tribune on only 11.800 seats. A nice stadium is the "nye Fredrikstad stadion", on the harbour area of Fredrikstad, built with use of the old factory halls. While often new stadiums often lack the historical feeling, this stadium literally has it in the walls. Personally I dont miss the corners in this one, but might has something to do with the fact that stadium is full almost every match (atleast in tippeligaen)..

http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af172/mjoks007/fredrikstad-stadion_109156o.jpg

Except that it got the worst main stand in the whole world.
http://www.stadionsiden.com/stadiums/nyefredrikstad/200905/DSCN6125.jpg

Hate stadiums that are singled out to only sports and lie dead 99% of the time, at Fredrikstad there's an engineeringsschool at the stadium, there is even a fantastic view from the library onto the field :)

sry delete plz

biggest hockeystadium of northern Europe, but just for one night.
Tonight Färjestad BK plays against Frölunda Indians at this specialbuilded stadium with room for 20.000.http://www.farjestadsbk.se/utematchen2/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/UTE_isenmedreklam_wp.jpg
http://www.nwt.se/multimedia/dynamic/00499/462215_jpg_499922img699.jpg

Hate stadiums that are singled out to only sports and lie dead 99% of the time, at Fredrikstad there's an engineeringsschool at the stadium, there is even a fantastic view from the library onto the field :)

You will be happy to know that Aker Stadium has a number of business operating in the stadium, including one my wife works for :)

Nothing at Stavangers new hockeyarena jet?
It's boring in here ;)

^^ Haven't Stavanger been planning this new arena for a very long time now?

^^ Haven't Stavanger been planning this new arena for a very long time now?

Yes I thought so. Taking very long time for an arena that not will be anything special.It's a modern standard icehockey arena for maybe 4-5000 people.
But I understood that they will go with a smaller rink

Construction is supposed to start now in the first quarter of 2011. Completition summer 2012 according to the website. (http://www.oilers.no/index.cfm?id=317917)

Some fotos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56861003@N08/sets/72157625905904030/show/) of Vida Arena in Växjö.

^^

I noticed that there is a web cam too:

http://www.webbkameror.se/byggkameror/vaxjo/vaxjo_vida_arena.php

Guldfåglen Arena in Kalmar starting to get ready for the premiere of Allsvenskan.
A nice little stadium =)

http://www.kalmarff.se/sites/default/files/imagecache/cache_column_size//sites/default/files/Bilder/nya-arenan/DSC_0253.JPG
http://www.kalmarff.se/sites/default/files/imagecache/cache_column_size//sites/default/files/Bilder/nya-arenan/DSC_0238.JPG
http://www.kalmarff.se/sites/default/files/imagecache/cache_column_size//sites/default/files/Bilder/nya-arenan/IMG_0461_-_Kopia.JPG
http://www.kalmarff.se/sites/default/files/imagecache/cache_column_size//sites/default/files/Bilder/nya-arenan/IMG_0464_-_Kopia.JPG
http://www.kalmarff.se/sites/default/files/imagecache/cache_column_size//sites/default/files/Bilder/nya-arenan/IMG_0469_-_Kopia.JPG

http://www.sportevenemang.com/CAM/SOS_cam2.jpg

Villa Långberg Arena for Allsvenskans Winter Classics
Capacity 20.000 in a division 2 game !!
At next friday

^^

For a division 2 game? That is amazing! :)

Yeah :)

Article (http://www.ba.no/sport/haandball/article5489314.ece) | Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/5253-byarenaen)

We could be getting a brand new handball arena in Bergen.

Håndballens våte drøm
http://g.api.no/obscura/pub/728x1000r/03641/1297529713000_Byarena_versj_1_3641720728x1000r.gif

Med tre baner og 6535 sitteplasser under kamp er det ikke en småhall håndballen ønsker i Bergen sentrum.

– Etter våre beregninger vil det koste 300-350 millioner å bygge selve anlegget, sier Iversen.

Det har tidligere vært fremmet planer om en byarena i Åsane, men nå vil håndballkretsen ha den lokalisert til området Kronstad/Mindemyren.

– Vi vil være innenfor bybanens område, og på Kronstad bygges det nå en ny høyskole. Der kommer 5000 studenter, og selv om de bygger en egen, vanlig idrettshall, ser vi for oss at det blir altfor lite. Studentene vil kunne bruke en byarena på dagtid.

Tampere Central Arena (http://www.tampereenkeskusareena.fi/en/)

Capacity : 11 000. Construction starts this summer. It will be build on deck, above railroad (!)

http://www.tampereenkeskusareena.fi/files/63/Aerial_1280.jpg

^^ looks real nice!

Yes really nice! What about the highrises will construction start for them too?

Yes really nice! What about the highrises will construction start for them too?

The whole area should be finished until 2018. Highest will be 120m/27fl. I already created a thread for Tampere projects but moderators haven't accepted it yet. Do you know how long it usually takes? I made the thread day before yesterday.

The whole area should be finished until 2018. Highest will be 120m/27fl. I already created a thread for Tampere projects but moderators haven't accepted it yet. Do you know how long it usually takes? I made the thread day before yesterday.

No I had no idea you had to wait to publish new threads! That was news to me!

Nice to hear that the highrises will be built too! Much more interesting than the highrises for Swedbank arena! :)

The whole area should be finished until 2018. Highest will be 120m/27fl. I already created a thread for Tampere projects but moderators haven't accepted it yet. Do you know how long it usually takes? I made the thread day before yesterday.

It usually takes as long time as it takes for moderators to notice that new thread needs approving in this forum. It's anti-spamming thing only concerning new forumers & it was added in last year... as your post count goes up,then the need for moderators approval for new threads or posts with lots of photos disappears. :D You can send PM to Þróndeimr or MLM if you're too impatient.




About new Tampere arena - nice project,although probably the highrises are most exiting thing about it. Hopefully nimby's don't ruin it. :shifty:

Those highrises are by Daniel Libeskind

It usually takes as long time as it takes for moderators to notice that new thread needs approving in this forum. It's anti-spamming thing only concerning new forumers & it was added in last year... as your post count goes up,then the need for moderators approval for new threads or posts with lots of photos disappears. :D You can send PM to Þróndeimr or MLM if you're too impatient.


About new Tampere arena - nice project,although probably the highrises are most exiting thing about it. Hopefully nimby's don't ruin it. :shifty:

Ok, thanks, that explains a lot. All I have to do, is post new messages. :lol:

Yeah, over here have been lot of discussion about the project. Nimbys "battlefront", as you could call it, have protest all the time, but project is still coming true. :)

Edit: As SuomiPrkl said, Daniel Libeskind has worked as consultant in this project.

Very nice to welcome a new forumer from Tampere, we are almost clueless as to what's going on there :)

Very nice to welcome a new forumer from Tampere, we are almost clueless as to what's going on there :)

Thanks, there are many interesting projects in Tampere, a tramline, for instance. I'll tell about that and many other projects in Tampere's-thread.

Guldfåglen Arena in Kalmar starting to get ready for the premiere of Allsvenskan.
A nice little stadium =)

http://www.kalmarff.se/sites/default/files/imagecache/cache_column_size//sites/default/files/Bilder/nya-arenan/DSC_0253.JPG


Nice. How much costed the arena part of the project?

The way the Råsunda stadium used to look like:

http://famgus.se/Pictures/UltraA6-357G-Solna.jpg

^^Stadium designs have changed a hell of a lot, havent they?

Yeah. Didn't Parken use to look something like this too?

Yeah. Didn't Parken use to look something like this too?

I gotta be honest and say I dont really remember the old design... But I guess without the office towers, I guess that is actually how Parken looks today... Almost...

I searched the web for some old pics of Parken but I couldn't find any. Anyway, here are some of the new tribune instead:

http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles14/277169/projects/901196/6d51571815ece9901f0b08b0aecbcc9d.jpg

http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles14/277169/projects/901196/553fdf154012a651839dc6c40fcef1d3.jpg

http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles14/277169/projects/901196/31c9544922ead97a4fd51e7e4593e0dc.jpg

The way the Råsunda stadium used to look like:

What was the capasity back then?

What was the capasity back then?

The record is 52.943. The capacity was around 50.000. In the old days it was OK to squeze in a few extra people I guess.

I searched the web for some old pics of Parken but I couldn't find any.
I found this old poster of Idrætsparken (as Parken was called back in the days)...

http://www.fodboldhistorik.dk/Fodbold-historik/program/program/90jug_f.jpg

This wonderful thread is almost dead :(
Feels like I have to contribute.

The new Guldfåglen Arena in Kalmar is finished and will host it's first game soon =)

Swedbank Arena is huge in Solna, looks good.

Växjö Lakers(hockeyteam) are crushing their opponents in the qualification to SEL Elitserien. Their new temple VIDA Arena(5.000) looks almost done.

Just a slapshot from VIDA Arena, Växjös football club; Öster IF just started to build their Myresjöhus Arena(12.000). http://www.fastighetochbostadsratt.com/20406-vy_arena+vaxjo+web.jpg


And almost forgotten, Stockholms Arenan(30.000) starting to look like a stadium finally. Unbeliveable that Stockholm soon contains two stadiums of high class =)
http://www.stockholmsarenan.se/wp-content/gallery/stockholmsarenan/800x600_flygbild08.jpg
http://www.stockholmsarenan.se/wp-content/gallery/dokumentation-i-bilder/2011-03-30-b1.jpg

Some inside pics from Guldfågeln Arena

http://oi52.tinypic.com/3346zbl.jpg
http://oi53.tinypic.com/m7dco7.jpg
http://oi55.tinypic.com/2hwfmls.jpg
http://oi53.tinypic.com/13zyvc.jpg
http://oi54.tinypic.com/negeti.jpg

^^Nice


One of the most classic hockeyarenas of the World; Johanneshov Isstadion in Stockholm will be renovated for 3.000 000 swedish crowns to be one of the host of the world cup 2013

http://www.arcaro.org/tension/album/johanneshovs02.jpg
a long time ago

http://katamso.blogg.se/images/2010/hovet_83884777.png
for now

^^
Aftonbladet says it will be renovated for 300 million SEK.

Article in swedish:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/hockey/sverige/elitserien/article12823273.ab

Work on Swedbank arena is really going fast. The stands are soon fully closed and the fourth and final roofbeam has been assembled..

http://i52.tinypic.com/33axv7l.jpg


http://i56.tinypic.com/35a2gx1.jpg

Aren't they planning to use Globen for the 2013WC? And if not, why?

Also, in the article someone from AIK says they would like the capacity increased to 10.000 in Hovet. Why don't they just use Globen if they want bigger capacity?

They will use both Globen and Hovet for WC 2013
And of course, it will be a renovation for 300 Million, my bad.
And Globen will also be updated.

Hovet is much tighter as an arena and both Djurgården and AIK wants to use it as their home arena for games in the SEL. There for is it good that Hovet is going to be renovated.

It will be better with 2 big arenas for WC 2013 than just one, simple as that =)

the "arenaboom" in Sweden is just wonderful :D

Aren't they planning to use Globen for the 2013WC? And if not, why?

Also, in the article someone from AIK says they would like the capacity increased to 10.000 in Hovet. Why don't they just use Globen if they want bigger capacity?

I think they are planning to use Globen arena for the 2013, and 2012 Turnament, But I'm not sure.

If Djurgården and AIK would play in Globen arena again, It would kill Hockey, just like it used to do when they started to play at Globen arena in 1989. Before that, all the Hockey games in Stockholm were the biggest spectator event in Sweden, but when they moved, the Stockholm hockey died. But when Djurgården started to play at Hovet, the Stockholm Hockey became to wake up again, and It's more or less just because of that Stockholm now is a big Hockey city again.

However, You do have a point. The Stockholm teams moved to Hovet just because Globen were totaly dead in the biggest part of the season. With 6-7000 spectators in Globen, It was hard to create good athmosphere. But to have 6-7000 in Hovet made it easier to create good athmosphere, and that was the point of moving back in the first place. So if AIK wants to have 10000 spectators, wich they never will have as a average, they could just move to Globen.

And yes, Djurgården is my team

It's not the size of Globen thats reducing the opportunities to create a good atmosphere, the reason is it's spherical geometry, with other words the lackness of a flat inner roof.

With an extended version of Hovet, DIF & AIK fans still create amazing atmosphere with just 7000 seats of 10000 filled.
Because the flat roof of plate will still be there.

I don't se any giant changes in the future of Hovet, maybe will they remove the "VIP-wall" behind one of the goals and restore the old stands behind the wall.
And raise the roof two or three metres and build som skyboxes and some real media-area above the old stands.

I found this old poster of Idrætsparken (as Parken was called back in the days)...

http://www.fodboldhistorik.dk/Fodbold-historik/program/program/90jug_f.jpg

Great find! It's a historic poster. I mean, look at the teams.... Two years later Denmark played the EURO thanks to the warmongers in Yugoslavia...

This weekend the first race will be held att Tierp dragrace arena.
It's not complete yet but when finish it will have a capacity of 20.000.
The dragstrip is the only one in Europe fully made of concrete and it will host the European dragrace championship of 2011. The arena will also be used for concerts.


Render
http://i51.tinypic.com/2my99cm.jpg

Construction pictures
http://i55.tinypic.com/2ng7vjo.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/eraaok.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/5nokf8.jpg

Swedbank arena aerial of May

http://i56.tinypic.com/15zs8w0.jpg

^^

Great updates! :)

Really nice to see the Tierp dragrace arena being constructed.

Molde stadion is very nice looking outside, I think. Great use of granite in the facade. The impression inside however gets a bit destroyed with two floors tribune on only 11.800 seats.


Why do you think Molde needs more than 11,800 seats, Molde only has 25,000 citizens, not all are football nuts, they never sell out what the have either.

Why do you think Molde needs more than 11,800 seats, Molde only has 25,000 citizens, not all are football nuts, they never sell out what the have either.

I think what he's saying is that the stadium, holding only just over 11k, should have been single tiered, rather than twi tiered. Not that Molde needs a capacity for over 11 odd-thousand.

I disagree though, I think the two tiered layout makes the stadium unique amongst similar sized stadiums :) If we look at the 10-15k capacity grounds built in Denmark (and throw Viking Stadion in for that matter) they look pretty generic. Molde is a tad different and I like it.

New stadium is being build in Linköping, not so far from Cloetta Center.
This stadium will be used for Womens Euro 2013 and for LFC's games in Damallsvenskan. So mostly women will play there.

The capacity will be 8.000 with a possibility to easy expand to 12.000
The design is from White

http://sverigesradio.se/diverse/appdata/isidor/images/news_images/160/1515131_520_292.jpg

http://www.botrygg.se/grafik/fastigheter/Kallerstad/red2.gif

http://svenskfotboll.se/ImageVault/Images/id_56401/conversionFormatType_WebSafe/compressionQuality_0/scope_0/ImageVaultHandler.aspx

more info:
Arena Linköping (http://www.arenalinkoping.se/)



IMO not the best or the most beutiful beautiful stadium in Sweden or it's region. But it's great to watch all swedish cities are getting new arenas for different sports :)

Did some own modelling how it might look, just for fun nothing serious.

pXVtR64HR00

new update from Solna and Swedbank Arena
http://www.swedbankarena.se/images/flygbilder/2011juni.jpg

http://www.swedbankarena.se/images/bildbank/Arenastade_Flygvy.jpg

Looking pretty awesome
http://www.dn.se/images/2011/08/09/Nationalarena-660.jpg

Prins Daniel Arena
Solna, Stockholm

A proposal for two arenas under one roof.

Det saknas en evenemangsarena liknande Globen på Norra sidan av Stockholm. Solnahallen i Solna sjunker och ska rivas, när den rivs så måste den ersättas.

Google translate:
There is no venue like the Globe on the north side of Stockholm. Solnahallen in Solna is sinking and will be demolished, when it is demolished, it must be replaced.

Capacity:

Arena 1
Icehockey 10.000
Concert 15.000

Arena 2
Athletics 5.000
Concerts 12.000

Argo Arkitekter

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/8963/prinsdaniel.jpg

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/3306/prinsdaniel2.jpg

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9879/prinsdaniel3.jpg

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/3112/prinsdaniel4.jpg

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4923/prinsdaniel5.jpg

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2383/prinsdaniel6.jpg

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/582/prinsdaniel16.jpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1613/prinsdaniel7.jpg

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4940/prinsdaniel8.jpg

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/6151/prinsdaniel9.jpg

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/233/prinsdaniel10.jpg

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/8544/prinsdaniel11.jpg

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/541/prinsdaniel12.jpg

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2827/prinsdaniel13.jpg

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/8785/prinsdaniel14.jpg

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/9008/prinsdaniel15.jpg

goosh so cool. I luv my country :)

OMG, one more arena in Stockholm metro area? :eek2:

OMG, one more arena in Stockholm metro area? :eek2:

Yeah, is there really need for a another one?

Looks expensive. Why not build something less spectacular to replace Solnahallen yet fulfilling the requirements?

Today is a grand opening of the biggest arena in the Baltic states - Zalgiris arena in Kaunas, Lithuania.

http://g.diena.lt/03/15/6460d4.jpg
Kaunodiena.lt

Congrats! Are the glass windows on the top floor mounted now? :)

More photos of the new Zalgiris Arena in Kaunas. The "industrial" style with exposed communications and pipes has caused some controversy and discussions. Personally I love the architectural solutions used in this arena. We'll see how it will do during the European basketball championships later this month. The final game will be held there as well.

http://ifoto.delfi.lt/show.php?mode=1&id=4315384&width=630&height=435

http://ifoto.delfi.lt/show.php?mode=1&id=4315387&width=630&height=435

http://ifoto.delfi.lt/show.php?mode=1&id=4315399&width=630&height=435

By R.Achmedov, taken from http://sportas.delfi.lt/eurobasket2011/istorine-diena-kaune-atidaroma-naujoji-zalgirio-arena.d?id=48666935#!/4315401/ifoto.delfi.lt


http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20110818/i52_IMG_3991.JPG

http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20110818/i52_IMG_3959.JPG
(c) Meier, taken from http://www.miestai.net/forumas/showpost.php?p=576535&postcount=1793

Vida Arena less then six days left to faceoff!
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6191/6136832373_b10a171cec_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56861003@N08/6136832373/)
IMG_1440 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56861003@N08/6136832373/) by enkronan (http://www.flickr.com/people/56861003@N08/), on Flickr

More photos of the new Zalgiris Arena in Kaunas. The "industrial" style with exposed communications and pipes has caused some controversy and discussions. Personally I love the architectural solutions used in this arena. We'll see how it will do during the European basketball championships later this month. The final game will be held there as well.

http://ifoto.delfi.lt/show.php?mode=1&id=4315384&width=630&height=435

http://ifoto.delfi.lt/show.php?mode=1&id=4315387&width=630&height=435

http://ifoto.delfi.lt/show.php?mode=1&id=4315399&width=630&height=435

By R.Achmedov, taken from http://sportas.delfi.lt/eurobasket2011/istorine-diena-kaune-atidaroma-naujoji-zalgirio-arena.d?id=48666935#!/4315401/ifoto.delfi.lt


http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20110818/i52_IMG_3991.JPG

http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20110818/i52_IMG_3959.JPG
(c) Meier, taken from http://www.miestai.net/forumas/showpost.php?p=576535&postcount=1793

One of the best looking new closed arenas i have seen recently. Love the industrial feel of it.

Opening night! Vida Arena, Växjö
:banana::cheers::banana:


http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6197/6156188439_986aa4939e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56861003@N08/6156188439/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6167/6156155425_54888ede75_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56861003@N08/6156155425/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6202/6156153945_2a3848444f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56861003@N08/6156153945/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6195/6156702238_cfbb7405a9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56861003@N08/6156702238/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6073/6156705730_c0352c06fe_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56861003@N08/6156705730/)

Alot going on in Sweden right now :)

I will try to sum up just a bit.

Football:

Solna- Swedbank Arena is growing fast, the arena is totally closed by now and they're working on the movable parts of the roof.
IMO it's looking truely amazing. Can't wait.
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/303721_10150309768050975_364505170974_8089396_1491431247_n.jpg

Stockholm- Stockholms Arenan is also growing but is not nearly so completed as it's bigger brother in Solna. The news are that Djurgårdens IF will play here also from 2013, when their old ground the Olympic Stadium from 1912 will be outdated by new standard rules from SvFF.
Djurgården will play side by side with their rivals Hammarby, mostly because the work with Djurgårds Arenan is an messy and "time taking" procedure.

Växjö- Myresjöhus Arena(12.000k) is starting to rise. The structure of the pillars and the stands are currently being installed. I have managed to score a shorter internship at the construction. One week in November and one week in May. So expect some pics and videos. :)
http://osterarena.se/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Bild-1.png


Hockey

Växjö -Vida Arena was just recently completed. I had the chance to visit Lakers new arena last Monday, when Lakers faced MODO.
Wonderful arena :cheers:


Örebro -Behrn Arena(former Toyota Arena) Major renovation before this season. The roof has been lifted and the stands has been extended.
A new mediacube is also installed.
http://mrmadhawk.se/images/2011/orebro_bygge_3_157697776.jpg

Gävle-Läkerol Arena. A new HD mediacube to this season+ "a media ring"

Luleå-Coop Arena. New HD mediacube on the way.

As I promised here comes pics from Myresjöhus Arena in Växjö, taken this afternoon.

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/391907_2536246401011_1099131022_2963088_107046421_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/391907_2536246241007_1099131022_2963084_351040728_n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/391907_2536246281008_1099131022_2963085_1342102705_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/391907_2536246321009_1099131022_2963086_59757860_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/391907_2536246361010_1099131022_2963087_1507758827_n.jpg

One of the old classics in Swedish fotball is back, the classic team of Åtvidaberg. A workersclub if you say so.

Their old Kopparvallen was useless for anything more than a museum.
So this small club managed to raise 30.000.000 swedish crowns, which is like nothing when it comes to stadium projects.

The old "Craven Cottage styled" stand is protected by culture administrations so the club had no other choice than just improve it.

The renovation started in January and was finished just to the first game, thanks to ÅFFs fans who helped with the installation of chairs.

IMO the result is stunning
http://www.atvidabergsff.se/teamdata/gallery/1659/15841/259125.jpg

http://www.atvidabergsff.se/teamdata/gallery/1659/15841/259126.jpg

http://www.atvidabergsff.se/teamdata/gallery/1659/15841/259127.jpg

http://www.atvidabergsff.se/teamdata/gallery/1659/15841/259128.jpg

http://www.atvidabergsff.se/teamdata/gallery/1659/15841/259137.jpg

http://www.svenskalag.se/teamdata/images/1659/58077/Kopparvallen20120217_500.jpg
Craven Cottage style

http://www.svenskafans.com/image/7/56897/Aringtvidabergs-FF-har-saringlt-Kopparvallen.jpg
before