Finnair Stadium, Helsinki :

http://www.ideafix.fi/refe/stadium_big.jpg

http://www.visioiva.fi/ForzaHJK/Kuvat/Finski/4668.jpg

http://www.forzahjk.net/Kuvat/Ottelut/2003/1101AllianssiTuplajuhlat/13186ForzaJuhlii.jpg

Wiklöf Holding Arena, Mariehamn :

http://www.ifkmariehamn.com//.composer/upload/IFK-Haka_1.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/995/liga129is.jpg

http://home.aland.net/m05167/GMM/matcher/Haka/7.jpg

http://www.banzaikups.net/kausi2005/Pelit/051002mifk/banzai.jpg

http://www.banzaikups.net/kausi2005/Pelit/051002mifk/katsomosivusta.jpg

Anjalankoski stadion :

http://www.angelfire.com/on/supernaturale/mypa12

http://www.angelfire.com/on/supernaturale/mypa11

http://www.angelfire.com/on/supernaturale/mypa3

Kuopio :

http://www.banzaikups.net/kausi2005/Pelit/050703haka/03.jpg

Turku :

http://people.jyu.fi/~tajajuol/images2/kup10.jpg

http://people.jyu.fi/~tajajuol/images2/kup14.jpg

Kotka :

http://www.banzaikups.net/kausi2005/Pelit/050522ktp/03.jpg

http://www.verkkopoiju.com/urheilu/pelikuvat/2005/lahti/10.jpg

http://www.verkkopoiju.com/urheilu/pelikuvat/2005/lahti/25.jpg

Tampere :

http://www.toolontaisto.net/keke/tamu-klubi-05.jpg

Jakobstad :

http://www.ffjaro.fi/soccerstats/images/685ac8cadc1be5ac98da9556bc1c8d9e.jpg

The question is - why is Finnish terrace culture way behind the other Nordic countries'?

Very nice, but i notice Serbia's hippodromes (horse racing stadiums) have bigger stands than some of these Scandi-Baltic "stadiums";)

This is in town called Pozarevac:

http://zivotic.com/photo/fin/d100_11/dsc_7284.jpg

i think we prefere quality infront of quantity in this part of the world, thank you very much :)
Swedens biggest stadiums for instance used take more people then they can now..Nya Ullevi used to be a 50.000+ stadium and Råsunda a 40-45 000+(?)

For instance the record for boxing at Nya Ullevi is 53.614, not bad for a boxing game ;)



edit: Just read that New Råsunda might might become a 60.000 stadium!! (source DN)

The question is - why is Finnish terrace culture way behind the other Nordic countries'?


finnish what culture?

finnish what culture?

Fan culture in the stadiums, I guess?

Although I don't get why you'd say that; these guys seem to be rockin' da muthafuckin' house:
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/995/liga129is.jpg

Köbtke,

Looks like kindergarten to me.

There was some news about the renovation of the Coca Cola tribune in Parken, from the CEO of Parken Jørgen Glistrup. He said he hopes to have a permit by the end of the year, and that this can start as early as Juni 2006 and as late as November/December...

The earlier construction plan called for a construction periode of 15-18 month, but he said that this was unaccepteble and has asked the contractors to come up with a new plan. He also said that the added roof is no problem...

Köbtke,

Looks like kindergarten to me.
lol...well the grass is awesome on Åland, much higher standard then back home...

Ringil,

Alright... :)

Köbtke,

Looks like kindergarten to me.

I thought by using "ghetto" lingo, I was making it clear that the statement wasn't to be taken serious at all ;)

There was some news about the renovation of the Coca Cola tribune in Parken, from the CEO of Parken Jørgen Glistrup. He said he hopes to have a permit by the end of the year, and that this can start as early as Juni 2006 and as late as November/December...

The earlier construction plan called for a construction periode of 15-18 month, but he said that this was unaccepteble and has asked the contractors to come up with a new plan. He also said that the added roof is no problem...

I wonder how they will cope with the reduced capacity during construction. But we really need the added oportunities that comes with this remodelling. Like better parking facilities and so forth.

^^ are they going to use it during construction? Its a pretty major renovation, that will, i guess, also ad the "fourth" tower...

Ullevål - national arena and homeground for Vålerenga and Lyn.

Here some Vålerenga-supporters. Say what you want about Vålerenga, but they have some awesome supporters!
Average attendance so far this year: 14.889
http://www.klanen.no/var/storage/images-versioned/65924/1-eng-GB/41.jpg

http://www.klanen.no/var/storage/images-versioned/60909/1-eng-GB/0101.jpg

http://www.klanen.no/var/storage/images-versioned/60112/1-eng-GB/0101.jpg

http://www.klanen.no/var/storage/images-versioned/59556/1-eng-GB/0011.jpg

Lerkendal homeground for Rosenborg, Trondheim.
Average attendance so far this year: 17.017
http://www.uefa-archiv.de/Stadien/trondheim.jpg

http://www.rbk.no/multimedia/archive/00023/Lerkendal__Publikum_23357a.jpg

http://www.stagedolls.com/bilder/lerkendal%20helikopter%20kopi.jpg

http://multimedia.kjernen.com/bildearkiv/2005/rbk-aalesund//RBK-Aalesund%202124.JPG

http://multimedia.kjernen.com/bildearkiv/2005/rbk-aalesund//RBK-Aalesund%202153.JPG

Brann, Bergen
Average attendance so far this year:14.695
http://www.brann.no/bilder/Stadionsor1c.jpg

http://www.bataljonen.no/visbilde.php?id=3187

http://www.bataljonen.no/visbilde.php?id=3147

Viking, Stavanger
Average attendance so far this year: 13.616
http://www.stadiumguide.com/viking4.jpg

http://www.vikinghordene.com/index/media/galleri/brann/images/brann18.jpg

http://www.vikinghordene.com/index/media/galleri/rbk/images/rbkh23.jpg

Ålesund
Average attendance so far this year: 10.610
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/norway/aalesund_color.jpg

http://www.heimdalgruppen.no/neted/upload/img/12_alesund_hissige_i_forste_omgang_men_ingen_mal_tross_mange_sjanser_Her_en_av_mange_kornere_klippet.jpg

And finally, Start, Kristiansand!!!
Average attendance so far this year: 9.635
http://ikstart.no/foto2005/ukensbilde/runde22-stor.jpg

http://ikstart.no/foto2005/runde22-klar.jpg

http://ikstart.no/foto2005/runde22-konfetti.jpg

http://www.menigheden.no//images/gallery/HPIM2420.JPG

http://www.menigheden.no//images/gallery/HPIM2421.JPG

And the new stadium here: http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=262462

http://www.derat.nl/picture/stadionfoto/stadion_ajax.jpg
New Råsunda with a capacity of 60.000? well thats what SFF is planning... And they'll apparently start next year!!

^^ its so modern with all these exttencions...all the english stadiums are doing it, and here in DK brønsby and i believe AGF did it a few years ago...

cphdude,

That's Amsterdam Arena (which I think would be the model for the new Råsunda though).

60.000 is way too much. The Stockholm clubs don't even have the best average attendances in Sweden (they have between 10.000-16.000 I think), and it will be hard to fill the capacity for other events. Over kill!

^^ are they going to use it during construction? Its a pretty major renovation, that will, i guess, also ad the "fourth" tower...

I guess they will plan it, so the bulk, if not all, of the refurbishing will take place in the off-season. They will probably also have to cancal concerts and such, since it's the stage end, that's getting an overhaul.

I can't imagine the stand being used to hold supporters while being under redevelopment. Where will the poor Brøndby fans sit? :cheers:

Yeah, and the tower in the corner of A and D will also get extended, I think, so we get four identical towers in either corner (meaning added revenue, which the board is always looking for), and four identical stands. And I think they'll also make it so, that the roof can be rolled over, without having to lower those damn support bars.

^^ well he said 15-18 months was too much, so i guess it will be at least a year from demolition to the final result....mening also in the season...But they also talked about a hotel, that they might run themself, or maybe some kind of serviced flats...could be great for the players maybe...

The question is - why is Finnish terrace culture way behind the other Nordic countries'?

well in hockey it's a diff. story :

http://www.ultrasjokerit.com/main/galleries/2004-2005/20050401Areena/PICT0011b.jpg

http://www.ultrasjokerit.com/main/galleries/2004-2005/20041107Areena/PICT0021_resize.jpg

http://www.ultrasjokerit.com/main/galleries/2004-2005/20050122Areena/mestaruustifo03.jpg

TPS Turku / Åbo :

http://vilee.com/~sippe/kuvat/albums/userpics/10006/normal_IMGP0854.JPG


http://vilee.com/~sippe/kuvat/albums/userpics/10003/normal_peliss%E4%20014.jpg

TPS football supporters :

http://vilee.com/~sippe/kuvat/albums/userpics/10006/normal_IMGP2076.jpg

http://vilee.com/~sippe/kuvat/albums/2005.01.07%20hifk-tps/normal_IMGP1586.jpg

designwise,

Judgjing from those photos - not at all. Nothing impressive.

Valkeakoski :

http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/1998/p80600667jb.jpg

Tampere :

http://koti.mbnet.fi/sinikaar/TamU_inter_05/005.jpg

Finnair Stadium :

http://www.forzahjk.net/Kuvat/Ottelut/2005/0710HJK-FCLahti/5255LahtiJuhlii.jpg

http://www.onsidedk.com/main//uploads/news_114104.jpg
http://www.onsidedk.com/main//uploads/news_114104.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/denmark/copenhagen_brondby1.jpg Brøndby stadium
http://www.fckfc.dk/files/Billeder/Diverse/TIFOer/FCK_HB_TIFO_10_02_2004/2074.jpg
http://www.fckfc.dk/files/Billeder/Diverse/TIFOer/FCK_BIF_TIFO_19_09_2004/1994.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/denmark/copenhagen_parken.jpg FCK and National stadium - Parken
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/denmark/herning_sas2.jpg SAS Arena - Herning
http://www.fotovagn.dk/fcmob21092005/050921_019_std.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/denmark/farum_park.jpg - Farum Park

...just some few danish stadiums...

Welcome to the board Oelanddk...glad to see another dane join the forum...Though from your pics, i have a sneaky feeling that you might be a brøndby suporter...oh, dear...Well, it take all kinds i guess....Welcome, and i hope you'll like it here

The best stadiums in Sweden:

Borås Arena - Borås
capacity 18.000
http://www2.svenskafans.com/elfsborg/arenan/sjuh%E4rad_vy_4l.jpg
http://www2.svenskafans.com/elfsborg/arenan/%E5lg%E5rd_n%E4ra_11l.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt-fanfotos.de/stadionwelt_fans_neu/templates/fanfotos_fussball/schweden/if_elfsborg/saison20042005/liga_2/110.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt-fanfotos.de/stadionwelt_fans_neu/templates/fanfotos_fussball/schweden/if_elfsborg/saison20042005/liga_2/120.jpg


Nya Ullevi - Gothenburg
capacity 44.000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schweden/nya_ullevi/150.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schweden/nya_ullevi/140.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schweden/nya_ullevi/210.jpg


Olympiastadion - Helsingborg
Capacity 17.000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schweden/olympiastadion/130.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schweden/olympiastadion/120.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schweden/olympiastadion/100.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schweden/olympiastadion/150.jpg


Malmö Stadion - Malmö
capacity 26.500
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schweden/malmo_stadion/100.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schweden/malmo_stadion/110.jpg


Råsunda - Stockholm, Solna
capacity 37.000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schweden/rasundastadion/100.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schweden/rasundastadion/120.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schweden/rasundastadion/140.jpg


There is allot of new projects going on in Sweden atm:

- New Råsunda 50-60.000 seated, the proposals will be presented 2 December i think.

- New arena at Globen, 2 alternatives is currently being discussed, 50.000 or ~30.000. Decision will be made later this year.
http://www.hammarbyfotboll.se/_upload/se/artiklar/nyarena/nystorarena_354.jpg
This is what the 50.000 arena could look like
http://www.hammarbyfotboll.se/_upload/se/artiklar/nyarena/nylitenarena_354.jpg
And this the 30.000 stadium

- Malmö is going to build a new arena for ~25.000. There are 3 alternatives, decision will be made this month (october). The alternatives:

http://sydsvenskan.se/multimedia/archive/00021/stadion1_21950a.jpg
A complete new arena would be built, and the old one renovated.

http://sydsvenskan.se/multimedia/archive/00021/stadion3_21952a.jpg
The old one would be demolished and a new built at the spot, plus a new athletics stadium.

http://sydsvenskan.se/multimedia/archive/00021/stadion2_21951a.jpg
The current one rebuilt to meet UEFA standards, with runningtracks :(.

- Kalmar FF is planning a new/rebuilt arena for 12.000

- Södertälje is currently building a new stadium, the capacity is around 10.000.

http://www.sodertalje.se/sodertalje/aktuellt/bilder/nyaarenan.jpg
View from the outside

http://www.sodertalje.se/sodertalje/aktuellt/bilder/innerplan.jpg
From the inside

- Gothenburg is planning to rebuild Gammla Ullevi to a new 20.000+ stadium. But i think this is put one ice at the moment? The design would be edited a bit i think:
http://www.gt.se/content/1/c6/26/76/05/319912f1.jpg



(If some info is wrong in this post please correct me :))

/\ Thanks Rausa for the arena update.

Great update!

However:
The best stadiums in Sweden:

Malmö Stadion - Malmö
The best? :eek: Malmø Stadion is one of the worst stadiums in Northern Europe in my opinion! Let's just hope that they'll build a completely new one...

http://img446.imageshack.us/img446/6789/hjkmupa83wd.jpg

MyPa away fans in Helsinki

11000 Malmö FF supporters in Göteborg.. ;)
http://www.mt96.se/galleri/2004/ifk_b/1s.jpghttp://www.mt96.se/galleri/2004/ifk_b/12s.jpg
http://www.mt96.se/galleri/2004/ifk_b/13s.jpghttp://www.mt96.se/galleri/2004/ifk_b/11s.jpg

"GRATTIS HÅKAN MILD" - lol

OT, I really think that the new old ullevi(confusing name ;)) would be much better if the corners were filled, like in Parken. That would not only make it less windy on the pitch and for the crowd, but it would also make the atmosphere a lot better, where it's not that easy for the sound to escape. I guess I'm really disappointed at all the GBG clubs for this...I thought they knew better.
This is what most of the English stadiums look like (4 stands, no infills), but keep in mind that those designs are like a hundred years old, and therefore quite outdated. Almost all new stadiums world-wide are enclosed, and I think it's safe to say that those are the most popular ones. I have nothing against the 4-stands-type as long as the corners have infills like Parken and Ibrox.
Let's hope they realise this before it's too late.

Tampere fans salute the team bus as it arrives to Ratina Stadium :

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/3286/tp470411hg.jpg

Arena update in Sweden

¤ There are plans to increase the capacity of Olympia in Helsingborg. By adding a second tier at the ends the cap will pass 20.000. It will look like Brøndby stadion, only a little bit smaller. Also two highrises are planned, wich will be connected to the stadium. If everything goes as planned they will start building 2007.

Before and after pic made by my self (did it very fast so don't complain =):
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schweden/olympiastadion/150.jpg
http://hem.bredband.net/b545885/olympia_edit.jpg

I think these plans are great, even if they dont need more seats it will make the atmosphere better.


¤ Växjö is planning to build a new football stadium. 4 companies have made proposals, and one of the designs include a retractable roof. At the moment the designs are not open for the public =(. Decision will be made before the end of this year (atleast they say so).


¤ Decision if they are going to build a new stadium in Malmö has been changed to 2 December


No more updates for this time :)



OT, I really think that the new old ullevi(confusing name ;)) would be much better if the corners were filled, like in Parken....
I have read somewhere that they have edited the design so the corners are filled. Dont know if they added seats or only a wall. I have also read that people have complained about the design not being innovative.

When you talk about supporters, i have a question to al from Finland, Denmark and Norway:

Du you have problem whith hooligans i you're country?

When you talk about supporters, i have a question to al from Finland, Denmark and Norway:

Du you have problem whith hooligans i you're country?
i think all teams have these smaller fractions, who are more interested in fighting with other teams suporters, then the sport itself. And certainly when fck and brøndby meat, there are sure to be some trouble...But i dont get the feeling that hooliganism is a general problem...

In Oslo (or perhaps even more outside Oslo), Vålerenga supporters ("klanen") used to include quite a few members that had a habit of starting trouble. They have gotten a grip, though. Imo, they are not worse than other clubs today.

Jokerit- IFK Helsinki derby :

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1253/dsc023228ss.jpg

credit : Ultras Jokerit

http://jokerifanit.net/~kennel/hifk-22-10-05/Pict0079.jpg

credit : jokerifanit.net

The Radio NRJ Nordic Music Awards 2006 will be held in Helsinki. Shakira, Craig David and Westlife are some of the preformers.

http://www.only-anastacia.ru/gallery/albums/awards/nrjradio05/normal_12.jpg

Anastacia preforming at the NRJ Awards in Helsinki

The competition to rebuild the stadium facilities in the north Copenhagen municipalty of Gentofte has been won by Henning Larsens Tegnstue:
http://www.hlt.dk/binfiles/Gentofte_Sportspark_pressemeddelelse_og_fakta.pdf
The project includes a football stadium, ice hockey stadium and a "multi-hal", as well as other stuff, plus a rooftop running track. The old stadium was an Arne Jacobsen design, built in the 1930´s in a disused clay pit. The municipalty doesn't want to continue having classical athletics facilities, these are in a bad condition anyway, and hasn't been used for years. The old running track etc. will be removed and it will become a football only stadium. The ice hall has also been considered too small for years.
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4497/modelfoto22rs.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3914/indgangtilstadion2fb.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1486/lbebaneptag4lo.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2779/modelfoto16qy.jpg
Regards,
Kristoffer Mogensen :cheer:

I can't really get a grip of that stadiums layout..

I can't really get a grip of that stadiums layout..
It is rather difficult, but those pictures are the only ones published so far. It does help if you know the site, though. The red stuff is the elevated running track, I suppose. The old stadium is in a sort of bowl in the ground, a very interesting solution, probably inspired by the clay pit. It seems that this will be kept, but in a modified form.

Here's a couple of links to the current facility, not much, I'm afraid:
http://www.stadions.dk/gentofte.asp
http://www.gentofte.dk/Home/Fritid_og_kultur/Idraet_og_anlaeg/Stadion.aspx

regards
Kristoffer Mogensen

Yeah, those renderings/models are very confusing! :)
They look stylish nonetheless.

nice renderings !!!!

cool pics from the hartwall arena :

http://www.ultrasjokerit.com/main/galleries/2005-2006/20060110_kreppirulla/Dsc02322b.jpg

http://www.ultrasjokerit.com/main/galleries/2005-2006/20051126_lipputifo_saipa/Pict0044.jpg

http://www.ultrasjokerit.com/main/galleries/2005-2006/20051126_lipputifo_saipa/tPict0095.jpg

^^Alright, enough....this thread is about stadiums, not a chance to post endless pics of finish hockey fans...We get it, you like hockey...Get back to the topic please...

Found this pdf with an aerieal photo of the site, perhaps it clarifies the models a bit. The big roof south of the stadium is the current ice arena, which will be replaced.
http://svaj.webhouse.dk/gentofte_webatlas/bymiljo/Gentofte_bm29.pdf

regards,
Kristoffer Mogensen

Kristoffer Mogensen - any idea of what the planed audience capasity will be, after the renovation?

Acording to FCK's CEO the renovation of Parkens Coca Cola Tribune will start in November 2006, and remain under construction untill tha fall of 2008. The new tribune will have a lot more skyboxes and add about 1000 extra seats. There will still be played in parken during the construction, but a giant wood wall, will shield the field from the work on the tribune....If needed the mobile seats will be able to ad a few of the missing seats during the construction process....

Kristoffer Mogensen - any idea of what the planed audience capasity will be, after the renovation?

Cphdude,
Sorry about the delay, but it seems that the stadium will seat 4000, a bit more than today. It is the home field of HIK, which is notorious for its low attendance. More than 500 is "big". Perhaps the new facilities will remedy this.

With regards,
Kristoffer Mogensen

http://www.banzaikups.net/kausi2005/Pelit/050717mypa/15.jpg

http://www.banzaikups.net/kausi2005/Pelit/050703haka/03.jpg

Magnum Arena, Kuopio

Cphdude,
Sorry about the delay, but it seems that the stadium will seat 4000, a bit more than today. It is the home field of HIK, which is notorious for its low attendance. More than 500 is "big". Perhaps the new facilities will remedy this.

With regards,
Kristoffer Mogensen
Yeah, it only sounds big, when they write about it, because they also count the "standing"...

Anyways, warent HIK almost on its way in the superleague a few years ago, or am I thinking of someone else....?

Cupfinal at Ullevaal (Oslo) 2005
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9366/cupfinalen1large0tp.jpg




Before the match the supporters was very optimistic and happy, not so happy after the match though
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/9937/stianlarge8ua.jpg

This photos were taken from my mobil Sony k750i, I was very suprised the photos turned out to be that good.

Molde FK won the match 4-2 against Lilleström SK

Yeah, it only sounds big, when they write about it, because they also count the "standing"...

Anyways, warent HIK almost on its way in the superleague a few years ago, or am I thinking of someone else....?

Again, I must apologise for the delay in answering, it's beginning to look like a bad habit. Indeed, some years ago, HIK was on top of Div. 1 for six consecutive rounds at the beginning of the season, and people talked about the imminent "danger" of advancing to the Superleague, since the club hadn't (and still hasn't) anyway near a sufficient economic foundation for such an advance. Eventually, the winning spree petered out, and some drew a sigh of relief.
I must protest against the vile slander on our attendance counting methods - they are conducted with the utmost care and thoroughness, following the immaculate guidelines of electorate counting laid out by the great and beloved leader of the liberated people of North Korea, Kim Jong-Il!

With regards,
Kristoffer Mogensen

In the news tonight they said that FCK would build a 7000 seat multiarena at the new complex site at Gentofte Stadium.

I haven't seen any figures about the capacity of the hall/multiarena, indeed, I havent seen any details of the whole thing at all, but I wouldn't mind if FCK went in and did something about it. 7000 seats? Rather optimistic, but it might work. In fact I hope it will.

Regards,
Kristoffer Mogensen

something about the Gentofte Arena in BT
http://www.bt.dk/sport/andensport/artikel:aid=426032/

Parken and the danish football federation have have applied for the UEFA cup final in 2009. At that time the new D-stand(North-stand) and the fourth office tower will be finished. The demolition of the current D-stand will take place in November this year.
Parken have hosted 2 european finals before: 1994 Cup-winners-cup (Arsenal - Parma) and 2000 UEFA cup final (Galatasaray - Arsenal)

Now that Copenhagen has been awarded the outgames in 2009, Martin Gertsen said that the the renovation af Bellahøj will be sped up along side a possible renovation of Østerbro stadium....

Apparently Parken is still involved with the small multiarena project on østerbro. Acording to Cultural Mayor Martin Geertsen the talks are progressing and they hope to have a finiched project, to present to the citycouncil, sometime before the summer brake. The estimated price for the 5000 seat multiarene wich will host handball, icehockey, and indoor athletics aswell as fitness center and some offices, is expected to be at around 150 million DKK (20 million euros) The city is expected to pay 7.5 million euros and PS&E around 12.5 million euros.

The will hopefully have no effect on the planed multiarena in Ørestaden.

Since this thread is turning into more of a news thread, perhaps we should get someone to move it to the skybar?

http://www.tampereunited.com/inet/tamu/AKPMedia.nsf/Resources/etusivu_pic.jpg/$file/etusivu_pic.jpg

Ratina, Tampere

DBU and PARKEN has now officially applied to host the 2009 UEFA cup final. UEFA wanted DBU to apply for the final in 2008, but because of renovation they could not.

DBU is also considdering applying to host the U21 euro cup in 2009...

^^Though i dont know if Parken will be involved in that...

Well, as you may have heard, Parken has now been given the go ahead to build a small multiarena next to Parken, at the current location of Østerbro Skøjtehal.

Also included in the deal is the demolition and re-building of he current coca cola stand, the old stand from the 1950'ies. The renovation will start in November 2007 and is expected to last untill March/April 2009...

Also included is a small renovation of the old Østerbro Stadion, to make it useble for football again...This will happen in time for the 2009 world out games.

Sør Stadion, Start's new home arena, will open this sunday, when they meet Viking in the second round in Eliteserien. All 14.563 seats are sold out. Heia Start!!!!
http://fotball.adressa.no/multimedia/archive/00049/billettsalg_49836a.jpg

Wow, Norway really is the S&B king of football stadiums! I hope the other countries will catch up soon.

I think the next project in Denmark has got to be either FC Midtjylland who regulaly sells 85-100% of their seats or AGF, asuming their numbers last and they return to the superleague...

^^
Horsens already started with their new stadium I think...

/\ Both Horsens and Vejle are building as we speak.

@ cphdude: FCM "only" has an average of 75 % of the full capacity (8.954 out of 11.809), and I doubt there will be an expansion before every game is sold out. It's still amazing though, considdering that FCM had an average of just 3.549 in the 00/01 season, which was the first in the SAS League. :)

@ NorthStar77: Doesn't the stadium look a lot like the one in Molde? From the inside atleast.

^yeah, it does remind me of it. iirc it's designed by the same architects.

Here are some more photos
http://fotball.adressa.no/multimedia/archive/00049/kristoffer_paulsen_49849a.JPG

1 weeek ago
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/MacMorten/7.jpg

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/MacMorten/6.jpg

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/MacMorten/4-1.jpg

3 weeks ago
http://www.ikstart.no/dm_pictures/arena-romleasen_968_3E2635.jpg

http://www.ikstart.no/foto2007/arena/arena-duk.jpg

http://www.ikstart.no/foto2007/arena/arena-fasade.jpg

http://www.ikstart.no/foto2007/arena/arena-frainngang.jpg

/\ Both Horsens and Vejle are building as we speak.


Ah, I didnt know that they had already started. But I ment after the once already planed, or heard about. But they are further ahead then I imagened,




@ cphdude: FCM "only" has an average of 75 % of the full capacity (8.954 out of 11.809), and I doubt there will be an expansion before every game is sold out. It's still amazing though, considdering that FCM had an average of just 3.549 in the 00/01 season, which was the first in the SAS League. :)


Okay, I actually thought it was higher. Still, I think it will keep growing. Dispite a few hick ups, I like the management team and I think they will get better and better. The gold stays over here in the capital this year I think, but if they can stay in the top 3-4 there is always the uefa, which is also a lot more interesting I think. And that could be good for them. Anyways, it takes a while for a stadium renovation.

But I think Messecenter Herning is always looking for a new way to further their business, and FCM needs something to spend their new money on. And this is not the first time they have talked about this...

So I believe it is going to happen. But as I said, in adition to those already planed....

Start's new stadium looks really nice from the outside!...

^^from the inside too, I think. I like it a lot...

Finland and Sweden r far behind when it comes to stadiums in Norway... DK has some pretty nice ones too but Norway takes the cake. Parken is still the coolest though and Finnair Stadium in Helsinki has the coolest design. The Veritas Stadium in Turku has heated seats which is pretty nice! ;) It's pretty small though, only 10,000 but there are expansion plans and it'll probably grow to be quite big 20-30,000.

http://www.paitsio.com/typo3temp/pics/34f0d41212.jpg

http://www.jite.fi/finnair_1.jpg

We don't have any really big stadiums though, and the turf on Ullevål is usually in bad condition.

Finland and Sweden r far behind when it comes to stadiums in Norway... DK has some pretty nice ones too but Norway takes the cake. Parken is still the coolest though and Finnair Stadium in Helsinki has the coolest design. The Veritas Stadium in Turku has heated seats which is pretty nice! ;) It's pretty small though, only 10,000 but there are expansion plans and it'll probably grow to be quite big 20-30,000.

http://www.paitsio.com/typo3temp/pics/34f0d41212.jpg

http://www.jite.fi/finnair_1.jpg
It's really sad that Parken is the best stadium in nothern europe - cause it's really not a good stadium compared to what you'll find in the rest of europe...

It's really sad that Parken is the best stadium in nothern europe - cause it's really not a good stadium compared to what you'll find in the rest of europe...

true but our stadiums are pathetic... no big projects in Finland... at least the situation is slightly better in Denmark due to higher popularity but I doubt we'll have better stadiums until 2015. :D

sad that the Nordic bid didn't win for the Euro champs next yr. This would of improved the stadium situation.

I must say I love the look of Finnair Stadium. The roof is sooooo nice.

I must say I love the look of Finnair Stadium. The roof is sooooo nice.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Stadionit.jpg

The Finnair Stadium (just under 15,000) and the 40,000 Olympic Stadium.

http://www.forzahjk.net/Kuvat/Ottelut/2006/0706HJK-Honka-yleiso/images/lh6u4747.jpg

http://www.forzahjk.net/Kuvat/Ottelut/2005/0615ForzaSpecial/4843ForzaaJaLippuja.jpg

http://www.forzahjk.net/Kuvat/Ottelut/2003/0525HJK-Allianssi/04486Forzaa.jpg

http://www.forzahjk.net/Kuvat/Ottelut/2006/0525HJK-MIFK/images/lh6u7980.jpg

Also Fredrikstad opens their new stadium this weekend..

http://www.fotballbaner.no/baner/1/fredrikstad/bilder/n09.JPG


http://www.fotballbaner.no/baner/1/fredrikstad/bilder/n01.JPG

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Nice, lots of character and you are close to the pitch and covered from the harsh Arctic conditions.

Vilniaus needs something like this so the NT can play out of it when teams such as France come to play.

Nice stadium, that new one in Frederikstad; very British looking, in my opinion.

The fotballbaner.no-homepage is very impressive. There are almost no clubs in Norway which does not have stadium development plans. Which clubs in Norway actually own their home ground?

In Denmark, it appears that the municipality of Esbjerg will now finish the football stadium with two new stands an renovation of the old one + a new multi-arena with a capacity of 5000.

http://www.tvsyd.dk/page/13?article_id=19893

http://habana.homepage.dk/esbjerg.jpg

^^
Are you sure that's the rendering for the stadium:shocked:
If you read the article it doesn't sound like it's going to look like that...

^^I have seen that pic before, so it is not new and they may have changed it. I, btw, still cant understand why they also go for less then the international standard of 5000 seats...What are they gonna do with it if we cant use it for a handball euro or worldcup? I know that is now why they are building it, but at least make room for it to be used in that way also...

^^
Are you sure that's the rendering for the stadium:shocked:
If you read the article it doesn't sound like it's going to look like that...

No, I am not sure, but that was the drawing that was made a couple of years ago when the new stand was built. I think the drawing shows the stadium if the remaining three stands were renewed, and as things are described now, the old stand will remain. I still think the result could be quite similar. They will build new end-stands, which would probably be similar to the new stand. The old stand will be rebuilt and have a new low stand with seats in front of it… That is how I read the news. Of course, I could be wrong. Also the final result will depend on how much they can get for their money.

^^What will the new capasity be for the stadium, do you know?

Last I heard, they said the total capacity could reach 16.000, after the renovation...

^^What will the new capasity be for the stadium, do you know?

Last I heard, they said the total capacity could reach 16.000, after the renovation...

I remember seeing that figure also somewhere. However, I think it is too early to say... it also depends on whether they are going for an all seater or not.

DBU has, once again had to pull out of the aplication for hostship for a uefa cup final...After DBU had to give up hosting the UEFA cup in 2009 because of the renovation of parken, UEFA had strongly encouridged DBU to aply again for hostship in 2011. And eventhough parken insists that the renovation will be complete already in 2009 (even in time for 2009 final) as planed, the city will not give a written garanty that everything will be done, because the project now also includes a small arena...

And so, once again, it seams that DBU will have to withdraw their aplication for the cup final...

cphdude,

That's Amsterdam Arena (which I think would be the model for the new Råsunda though).

60.000 is way too much. The Stockholm clubs don't even have the best average attendances in Sweden (they have between 10.000-16.000 I think), and it will be hard to fill the capacity for other events. Over kill!AIK tops the leauge? What do u mean AIK got like 20-24.000 evry game?!

This is a bit off-topic, I guess, but Tampere is going to build a new arena - FINALLY. They've had the suckiest and oldest arena in the whole country, and now the new one should be built for the ice hockey World Champs in 2012. The capacity will be "about 15 000" according to the daily news paper Aamulehti.

render:
http://www.sci.fi/~olvari/halli.JPG

That actually looks nice, and the parking is underground! How is the location, is it in an urban environment? It seems to be the law in Finland that arenas have to be located far away from human activity, instead of being a part of it.

That actually looks nice, and the parking is underground! How is the location, is it in an urban environment? It seems to be the law in Finland that arenas have to be located far away from human activity, instead of being a part of it.

the finnair stadium and the olympic stadium r in the centre.. well they aren't arenas but most indoor venues are indeed outside the centre as u say

How is the location, is it in an urban environment?

Check Tampereen Projektit in Talo.

It's good to have the stadiums outside the city centers so that it's easier to reach the stadium for the big crowd. The city centers are too narrow and busy. The Tampere stadium looks good! It might be the biggest Icehocky stadium in Scandinavia in the future... I think Stockholm, Gothenburgs and Malmos Ice Hockey stadiums have 12 000-14 000 seats during Hockey matches (about 16 000 seats during concerts). Only the future indoor football stadiums are bigger in Scandinavia...

^^ Indoor football stadiums? We've got those? :)

^^ I'm talking about the future indoor football stadiums (Stadiums with removable roofs)... like the new national football stadium and Hammarbys future stadium. Parken in Copenhagen has a removable roof I think...

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^^ I'm talking about the future indoor football stadiums (Stadiums with removable roofs)... like the new national football stadium and Hammarbys future stadium. Parken in Copenhagen has a removable roof I think...

Don't forget that we have "Tipshallar" which are indoor footboll stadiums in some cities too. They don't take much more than 3000 or something. I think it would be insteresting to develop that concept. Big stadiums with full fledged movable roofs are very pricey. But why not build indoor stadiums with plastic turf where the roof could be made of glass and open-able somehow to let in fresh air during summer. It could be a solution if we want all the teams in Allsvenskan and Superettan to play with conditions comparable to southern Europe all year around. We could then play fall-spring like most other countries in Europe.

But I must say I'm not sure about this idea. We are letting go of the grass right now but there are more problematic factors. Like the light, experience from Astrodome in Houston for example has shown that light becomes a problem with transparent roofs. And tv captures don't get very good when there is a gridwork of shadows over the pitch.

^^ Indoor football stadiums? We've got those? :)

Not yet, but next year Stabæk opens their 15 000 seats new indoor football-arena "Fornebu arena":

http://www.care24.no/admin/common/GetImg2.asp?FileID=1104&xsize=516


http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/oslo_fornebu2.jpg


this is how it looks now..:

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u315/erreflot/2007_0923bilderdiv0166.jpg

^there are other indoor-football stadiums too, like Vallhall, and Sørlandshallen, but they only take 3000 spectators or so.

Valhall:
http://www.hamkam.no/images/2001/hk_lf.jpg

Sørlandshallen:
http://www.pst-sport.no/var/plain/storage/images/media/images/soerlandshallen_2_small/1097-1-nor-NO/soerlandshallen_2_small.jpg

^^
How often does the goali kick the ball up into the roof?

^^
How often does the goali kick the ball up into the roof?

Well, that is always part of the game when you play indoors, especially at normal halls...Like hitting the side barier...You just keep going...

^^
Isn't it normally a "dommerkast" when hitting the roof?

I might as well post some pics from Malmö's two new stadia.


The Redhawks Arena (will probably be called Malmö Arena), with a capacity of 15.000:

http://www.parkfast.se/_img/arenan/ext/red.jpg

http://www.parkfast.se/_img/arenan/ext/rod1.jpg

Webcam / Update;
http://cam1.parkfast.se/Bild_Hyllie.jpg


And then we of course have Malmö FF's new stadium called "Swedbank Stadion";

http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/images/SwedbankStadion.jpg

http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/images/SwedbankStadion_ingang.jpg

http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/images/Bild9.jpg


http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/images/Bild10.jpg


Lower etage:
http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/images/Bild3.jpg


Upper etage:
http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/images/Bild5.jpg


"Hardcore-fans' terrace":
http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/images/Bild4.jpg


http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/images/Bild2.jpg


http://www.mff.se/swedbankstadion/images/Bild6.jpg


Construction update:

2/10-07,
http://www.malmo.se/images/18.76b00688114b7562b52800034171/nya_vy_071002_1000.jpg

http://www.mff.se/Bilder/20070913-213.jpg

http://www.mff.se/Bilder/DSCN0607.JPG

haha...Swedbank stadium...:rofl:
Looks good though!:)

Not yet, but next year Stabæk opens their 15 000 seats new indoor football-arena "Fornebu arena":

http://www.care24.no/admin/common/GetImg2.asp?FileID=1104&xsize=516


http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/oslo_fornebu2.jpg


this is how it looks now..:

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u315/erreflot/2007_0923bilderdiv0166.jpg

Nice! That's exactly the kind of covered stadium I'm thinking of. I fear that poor athmosphere can be a problematic factor. Does people really want to spend a fine summer day inside a hall? Do you know if the natural light is sufficient or do they always have to have flood light on as well?

I might as well post some pics from Malmö's two new stadia.


The Redhawks Arena (will probably be called Malmö Arena), with a capacity of 15.000:

http://www.parkfast.se/_img/arenan/ext/red.jpg

http://www.parkfast.se/_img/arenan/ext/rod1.jpg

Webcam / Update;
http://cam1.parkfast.se/Bild_Hyllie.jpg


It looks great. I am so jealous...

^^
Isn't it normally a "dommerkast" when hitting the roof?

I dont know, we normally just kept playing....:lol:

Nice! That's exactly the kind of covered stadium I'm thinking of. I fear that poor athmosphere can be a problematic factor. Does people really want to spend a fine summer day inside a hall? Do you know if the natural light is sufficient or do they always have to have flood light on as well?

It`s ok, the render look nice atleast. But I dont like how the roof is designed inside, and I`m also sceptical about the atmosphere. I know many of their supporters would have prefered movable roof, but they had to settle with this solution of economical reasons. A nice thing though is that the arena is approved by UEFA, as the first indoor football arena in Europe (I think..).

About the light, sorry I havent heard or read anything about it. I can ask some of my colleagues at work supporting the team, they have inside information!

Yeah, The Redhawks Arena looks very nice! Will it be the biggest indoor (hockey)arena in Sweden? I like this arena more than the Swedbank Stadion (atleast the outside), which really looks like an insect..

But why the english/american name "Redhawk"? THAT I dont like!

/\ Doesn't any clubs in Norway have english names? And how many in Sweden? Here in Denmark many hockey teams have english names: Frederikshavn White Hawks, Herlev Hornets, Herning Bluefox, Nordsjælland Cobras, Odense Bulldogs and Rødovre Mighty Bulls from the top league.

Swedbank Arena would have sound better

/\ Doesn't any clubs in Norway have english names? And how many in Sweden? Here in Denmark many hockey teams have english names: Frederikshavn White Hawks, Herlev Hornets, Herning Bluefox, Nordsjælland Cobras, Odense Bulldogs and Rødovre Mighty Bulls from the top league.
Like 50% of the SHL/elitserien I think..

The Norwegian top-series (The GET-league) in icehockey:

Vålerenga
Frisk Asker
Sparta
Storhamar
Comet
Stjernen
Trondheim
Lillehammer
Stavanger
Furuset

I think that would be one.

Swedbank Arena would have sound better

I think there is a Swedbank arena already somewhere... wait a minute.... I googled and found out that Modos Hockey stadium is called Swedbank arena...

^^ Indeed, Swedbank Arena already exists and is home to MoDo Hockey up in Örnsköldsvik. So Swedbank Stadion it is :)

About the English names: In icehockey some of the bigger Swedish teams have English names while most don't have it though. A few of the teams have it as officiall name, while others have it as some sort of nickname, but it's not an officiall name for the team. Oh, and the arena in Malmö will be called Malmö Arena, with a capacity of 12,500 for sports and 15,000 for concerts.

Some of the teams in the 2 highest leagues with English names (of what I can think of right now)
Malmö Redhawks
Frölunda Indians
Leksand Stars
Timrå Red Eagles
Luleå Bears
Växjö Lakers
Nybro Vikings
Bofors Bobcats

Bofors Bobcats sounds pretty hot.

Bofors Bobcats sounds pretty hot.

what does bobcat mean? :lol:

what does bobcat mean? :lol:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Rotluchs2.jpg

EDIT: Jakob was quicker :)

Extreamly ugly name for such a beautiful animal. :ohno:

What is "lynx" then?

What is "lynx" then?

Lynx and Bobcat is pretty much the same animal. Bobcat is an american red lynx (vildkatt på svenska & rødgaupe på norsk) according to my dictionary.

I thought the animal on the picture is a "lo"/"lodjur" (in Swedish) - ie. "lynx" in English (?). :)

isn't a bobcat smaller than a lynx?

Extreamly ugly name for such a beautiful animal. :ohno:

Say Boobcat then! :lol:

Strange that the club took the name of a cat that live in NA and not in Sweden...

Strange that the club took the name of a cat that live in NA and not in Sweden...

And just exactly how many cobras and mighty bulls do we have here in Denmark....?

:lol:

And just exactly how many cobras and mighty bulls do we have here in Denmark....?

should be possible to find a bull or two in Denmark...didn't think of the cobras...But why did't they call it lynx...don't know but think that most people think of this when thinking (http://finehorses.com/cedarbrook.net/bobcat/bobcat.jpg)of a bobcat...

Back to topic...some construction pictures from the new AC Horsens stadium:
http://ac-fan.dk/content/view/1460/1/

^^ Looking good :) What's the capacity of it when completed?

^^
you can see more here:
http://stadion.ac-fan.dk/billeder/
The stadium should be lighten up in the colors of AC Horsens just like Alianz Arena f.x. (guess that's the new trend now:))

I'm not sure what the new capacity will be - can't find any info about it...but not more than 10.000.

The new Vejle stadium is almost finished:
http://www.vejle-stadion.dk/uploads/pics/Bane-naesten_02.jpg
The capacity will be 10.250 (~7.500 seats)
more pics can be found here: http://www.vejle-stadion.dk/index.php?id=29

/\ It's a nice stadium in Vejle, but if they ever get a lot of spectators again, they'll get huge trafic problems there. It's of course beautiful with all the trees, but there seems to be way too few parking places and big roads around it.

Even at SAS Arena, which are surrounded by 15.000 parking spaces, and right next to a motorway, it can sometimes takes forever to get out after a game.

^^
I think they'll finish the construction sometimes in Januar. Maybe there will be some more parkingspaces there by then.
It actually looks alot like the SAS Arena in Herning - around the same size also.

The new Super Best stand and Arena in Parken

http://fck.dk/files/billeder/news/2007/oktober/tribune_indenfor3.jpg

http://www.fck.dk/index.php?pageid=754&newsid=7383

Demolition of the old Coca-Cola stand will start in December shortly after the match between FCK and Atletico Madrid. The new stand will be finished in July 2009. The new maksimum capacity will be 38.000 for football matches. Next to the stadium a small 4500 indoor Arena will be build.

http://fck.dk/files/billeder/news/2007/oktober/tribune_udenfor1.jpg

^^What is wrong with the old stand?

^^What is wrong with the old stand?

The Coca Cola stand is from the fifties and not from the beginning of the nineties like the other 3 stands. So it is outdated with bad facilities for normal spectators, and haven't any VIP facilities.

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/DAN/Parken3.jpg

To bad that the capacity will be reduced. Don't really know what to think of this, looks like a very large VIP section:dunno:

Sad that Denmark ain't gonna have a 40.000+ national stadium anymore. :ohno: :bash:

Sad that Denmark ain't gonna have a 40.000+ national stadium anymore. :ohno: :bash:

Yeah, it is. But that is the money speaking. Sadly.

From where I amsitting, Parken as a national arena is getting more and more devlued and I honestly think it is time weg ot moving and build a new 60.000 capacity stadium in Ørestaden or somewhere like that....

^^
agree with you. Think alot of people aren't happy anymore about Parken being the national arena.

http://fck.dk/files/billeder/news/2007/oktober/tribune_indenfor3.jpg

THAT is funny! Reducing the capasity with a much uglier stand.. Way to go Denmark:okay: Why not shorten all buildings in Copenhagen with a floor while you`re at it ? :lol:

http://fck.dk/files/billeder/news/2007/oktober/tribune_indenfor3.jpg

THAT is funny! Reducing the capasity with a much uglier stand.. Way to go Denmark:okay: Why not shorten all buildings in Copenhagen with a floor while you`re at it ? :lol:

The VIP capacity will be increaced a lot. And those new aprox. 60 boxes will create an income around 20 times bigger than the 4000 seats which is only being used a few times a year. And the new stand looks way better than the ugly Coca Cola stand today.

THAT is funny! Reducing the capasity with a much uglier stand.. Way to go Denmark:okay: Why not shorten all buildings in Copenhagen with a floor while you`re at it ? :lol:
What a stupid comment...:ohno:

What a stupid comment...:ohno:

How can it be stupid? I`m just making a point that this is backwards thinking. If they want more VIP-boxes they should try to find another soluthion. Not reduce the capasity. Maybe you think this is a good thing and disagree with me, but to say I had a stupid comment, well thats just.. stupid!

The VIP capacity will be increaced a lot. And those new aprox. 60 boxes will create an income around 20 times bigger than the 4000 seats which is only being used a few times a year. And the new stand looks way better than the ugly Coca Cola stand today.

How can this

http://fck.dk/files/billeder/news/2007/oktober/tribune_indenfor3.jpg

look better than this..?

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/DAN/Parken3.jpg

The old Cola stand looks alot more elegant, more impressive/capasity, and most importantly better atmosphere.

The new stand looks more like the one you see at horse-racing, or

...Polo

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Polo.JPG/350px-Polo.JPG


:lol:

/\ I'm not too crazy about the new stand either, but you need to understand that something needed to be done with the old Coca Cola stand. Maybe it looks okay from the distance, but the "inside" of it is really terrible, and specially the toilets should be forbidden to ever be used again.

How can it be stupid? I`m just making a point that this is backwards thinking. If they want more VIP-boxes they should try to find another soluthion. Not reduce the capasity. Maybe you think this is a good thing and disagree with me, but to say I had a stupid comment, well thats just.. stupid!

I just think that you got a strange wayto point out things. Would be interested to see you proposol for the new VIP facilities? Where would you put them in the stadium?

Poor guy.. Give him a break! He saw two different photos portraiting the Parken arena and gave his opinion about them. Nothing wrong with that on S&B, right?! He of course don't know nothing about bathroom-facilities or whatever.
I also must agree. To just lock up that much of the arena behind glass-bars seems like an excluding move in such a spectators sport as football.

Poor guy.. Give him a break! He saw two different photos portraiting the Parken arena and gave his opinion about them. Nothing wrong with that on S&B, right?! He of course don't know nothing about bathroom-facilities or whatever.
I also must agree. To just lock up that much of the arena behind glass-bars seems like an excluding move in such a spectators sport as football.

He's just putting it like it's the common view in Denmark that this is the way the stadium should look - doubt that there are many others than the owners of parken and the VIP guests that are interested in this look.

I just think that you got a strange wayto point out things. Would be interested to see you proposol for the new VIP facilities? Where would you put them in the stadium?

I want draw you a proposal, but I can tell you that I would not put that many VIP`s in one stand. They should be more spread out:)

..and I know that it`s not common in Denmark (or atleast not in S&B) to applaud the new stand. That what`s make it so funny ;)

The new Parken stand is strange looking with all those "VIP boxes."

I prefer the old Coca-Cola stand myself to the new one but the new one will be more modern and have better facilities + there's the issue of money...

If they build that design, Copenhagen will soon want to build an all new national stadium. The VIP-boxes are placed all wrong for football, seems like they are thinking more about concerts.

They had VIP boxes on Ullevi in the early 90s but they were later demolished. First of all because they were in the way for the new stand that was built for the world championships in athletics 1995. But the boxes were also removed because it looked so tacky. The stadium design was ruined. You danes probably remember the way it looked from the final in Euro92.

Today there are no boxes, probably because most VIP people want to sit outside in the terraces anyway. And the VIP seats have restaurants and bars behind them anyway. So please Parken, forget about this hideous design!

Yeah, it is. But that is the money speaking. Sadly.

From where I amsitting, Parken as a national arena is getting more and more devlued and I honestly think it is time weg ot moving and build a new 60.000 capacity stadium in Ørestaden or somewhere like that....
Wasting tax money on a new stadium would be stupid scince u already have one of europest best and modern arena.

Wasting tax money on a new stadium would be stupid scince u already have one of europest best and modern arena.

No way that parken is one of europes most modern arenas. Don't even think it's in the top 20 nowadays.

Wasting tax money on a new stadium would be stupid scince u already have one of europest best and modern arena.

Which isnt working. Besides, a stadium like this wouldnt build with tax money and even if it did, it would hrdlybe wasteful...

Parken is much better than Råsunda for several reasons. The whole Råsunda is as old as the Coca cola stand. Råsunda have ofcourse been renovated some times but it is old. Parken has a removable roof and as far as I know it has many facilities like hot-dog stands, kiosks, bars, toilets (not as few as Råsunda) and it doesn't have any damn pole in front of the crowd to hold up the roof. The new parts of Parken is roomy and comfortable and so on. I understand why they want to replace the old stand with a knew modern one.

^^I want to add that there of course is facilities in Råsunda too but it takes a couple of minutes to reach the kiosk due to the narrow corridors. And you have do stand 20 minutes in the queue to buy a hot dog since there is so few kiosks. By that time the second half has begun long time ago... and there is no tv screens showing the match in the kiosks nor toilets. This is the kind of problem many teams in Sweden have right know. The teams earn a lot of money by selling tickets... but they don't get much money from other things like selling food and beer. Therefore we are building many new arenas here now to catch up with teams like Copenhagen FC... and I guess this is the reason why CFC wants to upgrade the Coca Cola stand... the last old ancient dinosaur in Parken.

The old outdated Råsunda haven´t been renovated for along time, this is ofcourse due to the fact that it will soon be demolished and replaced with officebuildings on that location.

For those of you who haven´t followed the "Stockholm projects" thread, I can give you some info on the new national stadium in Solna:

http://www.solna.se/upload/1_Anders/Bilder%202007/Swedbankarena-15okt-107.jpg

http://www.solna.se/upload/1_Anders/Bilder%202007/Swedbankarena-15okt-207.jpg

Capacity at concerts will be 67.500 and 55.000 at footballgames, it will have a retractable roof and will be completed 2010.

The name of the arena will be "Swedbank arena".

Swedbank as far as I can see...but it looks really good!:yes:

Why not shorten all buildings in Copenhagen with a floor while you`re at it ? :lol:
:)

What else would you expect from ps&e?? I hope someone (DBU or maybe Brøndby) build a larger stadion soon close by the ring motorway. In their unlimited greed for money Ps&e have gone too far this time!

It just hope the pussies from DBU will stand up for once and say no. Then we might also get rid of MO.

^^
What about Lyngby building a +50000 stadium that could be used as National Arena:lol:?

:rofl:

That'll be the day!! Right now the stadion looks like something a 4-year old kid built in an afternoon.

Think Lyngbys stadium is the worst I've been to together with Sundby Indrætspark:D

Pfff, I think Sundby Idrætspark is far superior! I have nothing good to say about Lyngby stadion.

Though it will be a HUGE improvement when Lyngby Station will get the old scoreboards, that FCM were going to chuck away, now that they are going for big colour screens.

haha are they going to buy second hand now?

Swedbank as far as I can see...but it looks really good!:yes:

Correct... edited now tho ;)

Wasnt it in sundby they wanted to build a new national stadium?

:)

What else would you expect from ps&e?? I hope someone (DBU or maybe Brøndby) build a larger stadion soon close by the ring motorway. In their unlimited greed for money Ps&e have gone too far this time!

It just hope the pussies from DBU will stand up for once and say no. Then we might also get rid of MO.

Why have they gone to far? They are optimizing their own stadium for FCK. The new stand will increase the sponsor income for FCK with several millions. Millions which can be spend on player salaries.

Parken is much better than Råsunda for several reasons. The whole Råsunda is as old as the Coca cola stand. Råsunda have ofcourse been renovated some times but it is old. Parken has a removable roof and as far as I know it has many facilities like hot-dog stands, kiosks, bars, toilets (not as few as Råsunda) and it doesn't have any damn pole in front of the crowd to hold up the roof. The new parts of Parken is roomy and comfortable and so on. I understand why they want to replace the old stand with a knew modern one.

The Finnair Stadium in Helsinki is the most modern stadium in our region but it's pathetically small... takes like 13-15,000 :D

once the swedbank arena is ready it will be the most modern and coolest stadium in our region... I'm looking forward to a similar project in Helsinki soon...

then again we have the Olympic Stadium that takes just under 40,000 but it's past its time although it's an amazing and beautiful stadium for its time..

The Finnair Stadium in Helsinki is the most modern stadium in our region but it's pathetically small... takes like 13-15,000

How exactly is it the most modern stadium, and while we are at it, how does it take 13-15 000 spectators? Care to give me a source?

haha are they going to buy second hand now?

No no, they were given to Lyngby with the intervention of pussy-DBU, who in this case actually did do a litte good: http://lyngby-boldklub.dk/Nyheder/Seneste_nyt/To_nye_m%E5ltavler_er_ankommet/. The club has no money and the municipality couldn't care less.

About Finnair Stadium. Officially it has 10.800 seats. But that number can probably never be reached in high profile matches. Security concerns usually takes away a few hundreds or thousand seats. Without knowing too much about the stadium I doubt it can be considered the most modern. For instance, are there big hospitality areas (bars, boxes, conference, etc for members and sponsors)? I guess there are many new Norwegian stadiums with better facilities. I like the design though.

About Finnair Stadium. Officially it has 10.800 seats. But that number can probably never be reached in high profile matches. Security concerns usually takes away a few hundreds or thousand seats. Without knowing too much about the stadium I doubt it can be considered the most modern. For instance, are there big hospitality areas (bars, boxes, conference, etc for members and sponsors)? I guess there are many new Norwegian stadiums with better facilities. I like the design though.

i mean more in terms of the design... the design is modern.. they also have boxes for vips, bars and conference rooms etc.

The Finnair Stadium in Helsinki is the most modern stadium in our region but it's pathetically small... takes like 13-15,000 :DWhat exactly do you base this on? Have you visited all the new stadiums that has been built in the last years in Norway and Denmark (and maybe a few in Sweden)?

EDIT: Okay I see you base it on design, so I guess that answers my question. Not that I agree that a stadiums "moderness" can be based on that only though...

i mean more in terms of the design... the design is modern.. they also have boxes for vips, bars and conference rooms etc.

Yeah, this is one hell of a stadium. Heres a photo from one of the VIP-boxes ;)
http://www.banzaikups.net/kausi2005/Pelit/050925hjk/09250013.jpg

I can't see what's so special about the Finnair stadium:dunno:

I can't see what's so special about the Finnair stadium:dunno:

It´s finnish... that is what´s so special about it!

It´s finnish... that is what´s so special about it!

http://www.ympyramedia.fi/pics/box6_3.gif

http://forzahjk.net/Kuvat/Ottelut/2006/0706HJK-Honka-yleiso/images/lh6u4747.jpg

http://forzahjk.net/Kuvat/Ottelut/2003/1101AllianssiTuplajuhlat/13186ForzaJuhlii.jpg

http://forzahjk.net/Kuvat/Ottelut/2003/0525HJK-Allianssi/04486Forzaa.jpg

ah now I see...nothing...:nuts:

Scandinavian stadiums, anyone got pictures?

http://www.stadiumzone.net

has got some good of the Brondby stadion:

http://stadiumzone.net/d/denmark20.JPG

Norway has the best stadiums and best attendance per capita.

Norway has the best stadiums and best attendance per capita.
Now, but not in a couple of years when the new swedish stadiums in Stockholm, Malmö, Göteborg and Kalmar are finished.

Now, but not in a couple of years when the new swedish stadiums in Stockholm, Malmö, Göteborg and Kalmar is finished.
Norway will always have better stadiums than the sweden, not bigger thou. Any pics of Gothenrog and Kalmars stadium? I know Kalmar new arena gonna be indoor and Gothenborgs gonna look a lot like Malmös new stadium.

There is no doubt that Norway has most good stadiums in Scandinavia. But Parken in Copenhagen and the new national stadium in Stockhom and Hammarbys new stadium in Stockholm will not only be very modern and big...but they will also have removable roofs and that will make a big change for the concert and football seasons here in the nordics. The biggest bands (like Roling stones and U2) doesn't have visit us during the summer anymore... but they can also visit us during the winter! Norway have to build a new big stadium with roof soon if they want compete during the winter season...

Parken in Copenhagen

http://i13.tinypic.com/52y0u4m.jpg

http://i14.tinypic.com/4qnatg2.jpg

As seen here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=456862&page=9

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Stadionit.jpg

The Finnair Stadium and the 40,000 Olympic Stadium in Helsinki.

I'll go to Parken tonight and watch a match. I'll try to take some pictures from the inside.

Good idea! I would like to see them!

They are going to play under the roof so it's going to be something special. never been to a football match that is played inside:)

Well then it's even more intressting! Take some shots of the corridors and facilities like bars too if you can. I want to see everything of Scandinavias most modern arena;)

What's the finnair stadium a new arena? FOr what team and how many seats?

Well then it's even more intressting! Take some shots of the corridors and facilities like bars too if you can. I want to see everything of Scandinavias most modern arena;)

Don't think it's that modern compared to other european stadiums I been to:)

What's the finnair stadium a new arena? FOr what team and how many seats?

yeah it's home to HJK Helsinki.. u might remember them from the 1998 Champions League group stage.. capacity 11-12,000

http://www.visioiva.fi/ForzaHJK/Kuvat/Finski/4661.jpg

http://www.visioiva.fi/ForzaHJK/Kuvat/Finski/4708.jpg

http://forzahjk.net/Kuvat/Ottelut/2006/0706HJK-Honka-yleiso/images/lh6u4747.jpg

The Veritas Stadion in Turku/Åbo:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/e/e8/280px-TPS_vs._FC_Inter.jpg

http://www.stadionbesuch.de/images/2005_07_21_0087_Fubbes_turku_mypax.jpg

Some terrible shoots I took tonight from Parken:

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/6339/cimg3817mediumce9.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8877/cimg3819mediumus0.jpg
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/4486/cimg3820mediumpm3.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3571/cimg3822mediumaz3.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5116/cimg3823mediumkn2.jpg

Great pics! Tell me... what do you think about Parken when the roof is closed? I wonder if the supporting pillars takes away a lot of the sight. Are the black flags in the roof there for acoustic reasons?

I have always liked Parken although I have only been there when it was no game. Does Cph need a new stadium? Hard for me to say when I don't understand it's shortcomings etc. On the surface Råsunda looks like a crappier stadium so it's quite understandable that SvFF want's a new stadium. But both cities are about as big and could probably do with new stadiums in the size 50.000-70.000. Have there been serious ideas to build a new stadium in Cph?

Thanks for the pics Oelanddk. Why do they have these black materials under the roof?

I have always liked Parken although I have only been there when it was no game. Does Cph need a new stadium?

that dependson who you ask, and what exactly youmean. FCK has no real need for a new stadium, the audience has been pretty constant at around 20-25.000 over the last 4-5 years. In fact, as you may have read in the other stadium thread, they will reduce the capacity of Parken, so that in the future it will only hold 38.000. Plenty for FCK at most matches, compared to the money made on vip boxes that are replacing the seats. As for Parken as a national arena, some have sugested building a new arena, to avoid dealing with parken, for many reasons. We already have national matches where 60.000 seats could easily be filled, but DBU doesnt have the money for that so it has to be a private initiative, and at the moment that looks unlikely.


But both cities are about as big and could probably do with new stadiums in the size 50.000-70.000. Have there been serious ideas to build a new stadium in Cph?

People talk about it from time to time, but as I mentioned, for now Parken is big enough for FCK. The problem is mainly the field which tends to be crap and the naighbourhood. Smack in the middle of a resedential area, build and re-build in a time when football was something much more quiet and not a weekly event. So there is great problem with the people there, and Parken are only alowed a certain number of matches and arengements a year. At the same time, Parken is also used to a lot of other things, which as I mention is pretty bad for the field.

So people do dream about a new stadium, even itit ment something smaller.

As for serious plans, nah. Someone from one of the clubs out on Amager wanted all the clubs to merge and then build a new national arena out in tårnby, but that was pretty much a piedream, i think...

yeah it's home to HJK Helsinki.. u might remember them from the 1998 Champions League group stage.. capacity 11-12,000

Again, I'd really love to see where you get these figures. The capacity is 10700 as many have pointed out already.

Yesi agree that Denmark and Norway got better Stadiums than Sweden.
But hey look. Globen is a better stadium than Hovet. But still every hockey fan in Sweden loved Hovet more than Globen. It became to big and the hockey that in the 80's was a culture in Stockholm destroyed because of the Swedish Icehockey Federation became insane of money and they would create a new NHL in Sweden.

This new "modern football" is only ruin football. I prefer smaller stadiums were the fans can scream and hail there teams better that big stadiums with a capacity of 50 000 but only have 20 000 watch! So no, i don't agree that all the biggest stadiums is best!

Yesi agree that Denmark and Norway got better Stadiums than Sweden.
But hey look. Globen is a better stadium than Hovet. But still every hockey fan in Sweden loved Hovet more than Globen. It became to big and the hockey that in the 80's was a culture in Stockholm destroyed because of the Swedish Icehockey Federation became insane of money and they would create a new NHL in Sweden.

!I wouldn't say Denmark has much better stadiums over all, but I agree on Norway. It wasn't because of SHL that the ice hockey got unpopular.

But Sweden must have the best indoor arenas? With arenas like Globen, Scandinavium, Löfbergs Lila Arena, Läkerol Arena, Kinnarps arena, Cloetta Center, Swedbank Arena, Ejendals Arena etc.

Yep the Icehockey stadiums are very good. I don't know why... but we have been waiting a long time for new modern football stadiums. It's almost redicolous how bad many of our stadiums still are. But within 3-5 years we will at last have 3 new stadiums in Stockholm and one new in malmö and Gothenburg... thank good...

Yep the Icehockey stadiums are very good. I don't know why... but we have been waiting a long time for new modern football stadiums. It's almost redicolous how bad many of our stadiums still are. But within 3-5 years we will at last have 3 new stadiums in Stockholm and one new in malmö and Gothenburg... thank good...Yea, but look at finland. They really got shitty stadiums! But I agree, it's embarrassing for sweden. look at söderstadion and stockholms stadion, or halmstad stadium, or kalmar haha....It's unbelievable how bad condition they are in. I don't even wanna talk about stadiums for the smaller teams....

But I agree, it's embarrassing for sweden. look at söderstadion and stockholms stadion, or halmstad stadium, or kalmar haha....
The reason is that the swedish football stadiums usually are (or were) owned by the municipalities and were not financed and privately-owned by companies. But anyway, all that is changing now and the Allsvenskan is getting more commersialized. The clubs will get more modern stadiums but if it is all good for the football culture in Sweden is more doubtful.

The reason is that the swedish football stadiums usually are (or were) owned by the municipalities and were not financed and privately-owned by companies. But anyway, all that is changing now and the Allsvenskan is getting more commersialized. The clubs will get more modern stadiums but if it is all good for the football culture in Sweden is more doubtful.

What do u mean? If we had better stadiums. Our clubs would probably be more successful in europe and allsvenskan would have a lot higher attendance. The bad stadiums is one of the main reasons to why allsvenska clubs haven't been any lucky in European games the last years.

What do u mean? If we had better stadiums. Our clubs would probably be more successful in europe and allsvenskan would have a lot higher attendance. The bad stadiums is one of the main reasons to why allsvenska clubs haven't been any lucky in European games the last years.
Look att the new stand at Parken. That's a bad example of the commercialisation of football. But in general new arenas are good for the footbal, of course, but it is not an undoubtful fact. And im not sure that the bad stadiums are the reason to why our clubs haven't been lucky abroad. The taxes are higher in Sweden for example and you could earn more money in Denmark or Norway. Our young talents put money in front of club loyality and move abroad fast. And look at Rosenborg. They're lucky in Europe, but how good is their arena? :)

Look att the new stand at Parken. That's a bad example of the commercialisation of football. But in general new arenas are good for the footbal, of course, but it is not an undoubtful fact. And im not sure that the bad stadiums is the reason to why our clubs haven't been lucky abroad. The taxes is higher in Sweden for example and you could earn more money in Denmark or Noreway. Our young talents puts money in front of club loyality and moves abroad fast. And look at Rosenborg. They're lucky in Europe, but how good is their arena? :)
I've never heard of any new swedish arena, that has been bad though. Taxes is higher for football clubs in Sweden? Is that really true?

Yea, but look at finland. They really got shitty stadiums!

yeah our stadiums are bad but for example söderstadion is really really bad and the security is poor as we have seen in previous matches...

Stadiums in Sweden are shit but they are even worse in Finland... Hopefully we will get some new stadiums everywhere soon... Finland needs a new national stadium with a retractable roof.

The Ratina stadium in Tampere is also very old was used already during the Olympics:

http://www.tampereopas.com/nahtavyydet/tampereenstadion.jpg

I've never heard of any new swedish arena, that has been bad though. Taxes is higher for football clubs in Sweden? Is that really true?
Yes, and especially for the players. The swede Marcus Allbäck only had 25% in tax the first 3 years in Denmark.

Yes, and especially for the players. The swede Marcus Allbäck only had 25% in tax the first 3 years in Denmark.

why's that?

Yes, and especially for the players. The swede Marcus Allbäck only had 25% in tax the first 3 years in Denmark.

Because he was a foriegn naional put on the research/expert tax.

Hammarbys arena is a good example of how bad old arenas are for the teams. Hammarby (Unlike AIK) does not earn much money on bear, food and so on since there is too few facilities and the environment is not nice enough to eat food (the people eat in the restaurants in the area around after the match instead). The weather is cold during the winter (no roof). There is few roofs that protect from the rain. The girls have to pee in their pants since the queue is too long to the toilet. The stadium is always full. I mean.... There could have been soooo much bigger audience during their matches and they could have earned so much more money on every visitor of the stadium.

And look at Rosenborg. They're lucky in Europe, but how good is their arena? :)
Lucky? I`m not sure if thats the correct word.. When you have been the best Scandinavian football -team the last 15 years, its not luck. Its actually systematical and hard work behind it, believe me.

And Lerkendal stadium is actually very good!

Lerkendal facts:
construction 1996-2002
capasity 21.850

http://www.rbkweb.com/images/lerkendal2002.jpg

http://www.rbkweb.no/images/040928_lerkendal.jpg

construction 1996-2002

Oh, is it that new? Sorry, i didn't thought so. And you're right, lucky isn't the right word.

Oh, is it that new? Sorry, i didn't thought so. And you're right, lucky isn't the right word.Sampi, haha. Rosenborgs arena is one of the best.

Sampi, haha. Rosenborgs arena is one of the best.
Sapmi it is. Are you word blind?

Sapmi it is. Are you word blind?
No, I lost a bet. What's your excuse.

No, I lost a bet. What's your excuse.
I have nothing to excuse. :bash:

Lucky? I`m not sure if thats the correct word.. When you have been the best Scandinavian football -team the last 15 years, its not luck. Its actually systematical and hard work behind it, believe me.


I disagree with both of you, RBK has not been lucky for sure.... they have worked hard to achieve the "winning-mentality" in the european-cups which have made them a solid CL-team.
On the other hand I don´t think RBK is the "best" scandinavian team for the last 15-years, what you could say is that they have been the most sucessful team for the last 10 years (IFK Göteborg must be considered better than RBK before that).
Rosenborg have been the most sucessful team but as we have seen the last few years they haven´t been the best as they got beaten in Royal league by many Swedish and Danish teams aswell as their own countrymen as we have seen in the Tippeligen this year.

Rosenborg have been the most sucessful team but as we have seen the last few years they haven´t been the best as they got beaten in Royal league by many Swedish and Danish teams aswell as their own countrymen as we have seen in the Tippeligen this year.
That's a bit strange. Rosenborg beats Valencia but isn't impressing in Tippeligan. But maybe it is to hard for the nordic clubs to be succesful both in the domestic league and in the international cup play in the same season. Look at Elfsborg this year for example. Last year they won Allsvenskan but this year when they also had to play CL qualifications they ended 4th in the league.

And btw, you shouldn't take the results in Royal league too serious... :)

Listen, I'm not embares because the classic stadiums is still in use in Sweden.

Look, Stockholm stadion is absolutly a classic stadiums. The only olympic games in Sweden were hosted there, and i'm a Djurgården fan so I'm more proud than embaresed of Stockholm stadion!

Råsunda hosted the only World cup final Scandinavia ever have got! And if you aks a Brazilian, he will with no doubt know what Råsunda is (Pele did his first success in Råsunda for those who did not know it)

And Ullevi hosted the Only European championship Scandinavia has ever got. And it was there the first and only Scandinavian national team won the title!

So if you look historical have Sweden a lot of more classic stadiums than any others in Scandinavia! I might say Olympiastadion in Helsinki and Lysgårdsbakkene in Lillehammer is the two other classic stadiums in Scandinavia.

I belive that Sweden is a classic country to host different tournaments. Thats why we need new good stadiums, so we can host for example the Champions League final. And we still wait for host a winter Olympic here in Sweden. But i'm sure we will host it very very soon.

Denmark got good stadiums, but they don't have the attendance as Sweden and Norway got.

Norway got good stadiums, and good attendance.

Finland got good icehockey stadiums and some good football stadiums.

Sweden got bad football stadiums, and i can't find anyone that is realy good right now. Maybe Borås Arena. But icehockey stadiums we have a lot of them, and a lot of good stadiums. In all you can say that Sweden have bad stadiums, but for the Swedish people is those bad stadiums classic. The people whant to have those classic stadiums! So instead of destroy Råsunda, the could refresh it and got it still in use.

In all,i just say that Sweden is a classic sport nation, and we are proud of it!

Sthlm stadion is nice... the architect, Torben Grut has also designed many buildings in Finland and in the town of Jakobstad the fire station looks like Sthlm stadion:

http://www.algonet.se/~csanden//foto/palo_1.jpg

look familiar? :D


The Helsinki Olympic Stadium is a truly beautiful classic stadium as is Sthlm stadion. These two stadiums are true gems and the only places where the summer Olympics have been held in Scandinavia.

Yes it is familiar^^
did not know that...thanx for the info;)

So if you look historical have Sweden a lot of more classic stadiums than any others in Scandinavia! I might say Olympiastadion in Helsinki and Lysgårdsbakkene in Lillehammer is the two other classic stadiums in Scandinavia.


Just a small comment here, Lysgårdsbakkene IS NOT a classic stadium in Norway. Ok the olympics were held there in -94, but that is not enough. My guess is that many norwegians wouldnt know where Lysgårdsbakkene is..

But Norway (Oslo) have to other world-classic stadiums, that is Holmenkollbakken and Bislett.

Holmenkollen is kind of the "Wembley" of skijumping/wintersports, from Wikipedia:

The Holmenkollen ski jump, located in Holmenkollen, Oslo, Norway, is host to the world's second oldest ski jump competition still in existence (the oldest being hosted by a small, local club named Medicinernes Skiklub Svartor in nearby Seterkollen).

The precursor to the Holmenkollen competitions was the Husebyrennene, held somewhat closer to the town centre, that spanned from 1879 to 1891. The first competition in Holmenkollen proper was on January 31, 1892. Watched by a crowd of 10,000, the length achieved by the winner, Svein Sollid from Morgedal in Telemark, was 21.5 meters (Sollid was also the first festival winner in the nordic combined event.).

During its time as a ski arena, it has served as host to nine different nordic skiing and biathlon world championships, including the 1952 Winter Olympics.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Holmenkollen_ski_jump.jpg/250px-Holmenkollen_ski_jump.jpg



And Bislett stadium, from Wikipedia:

Bislett stadion is a sports stadium in Oslo, Norway. Bislett is Norway's most well known sports arena internationally, with 15 speed skating world records and more than 50 track and field world records having been set here. The stadium was demolished in 2004 and construction of a new stadium was completed by the summer of 2005.

In 1999, the American sports magazine Sports Illustrated declared that the old Bislett Stadium was one of the top 20 sports venues of the 20th century



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Bislett_stadion1.jpg/250px-Bislett_stadion1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Bislett_panorama.jpg/800px-Bislett_panorama.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Bislett_panorama.jpg/800px-Bislett_panorama.jpg
Roof poles on a roof from 2005? Not good for the viewers visibility and it looks cheap! It almost looks like it's built for being temporary.

But you're right, Bislett is classic!

Roof poles on a roof from 2005? Not good for the viewers visibility and it looks cheap! It almost looks like it's built for being temporary.

But you're right, Bislett is classic!

Hm, well actually I think its temporary. Its just a small roof in front of the media-boxes. I dont think those is a problem for the visibility anyway. But the rest of stadium is not cheap though, it looks very elegant, preserving the best from the old stadium.

here is the link to the Sports Illustrated were Bislett came number 5 as the only nordic stadium:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/centurys_best/news/1999/06/02/top_venues/

here is the link to the Sports Illustrated were Bislett came number 5 as the only nordic stadium:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/centurys_best/news/1999/06/02/top_venues/

From the text it would appear that they are referring to the old Bislett stadium?

Lahti is also a famous ski jumping, cross country stadium

But the rest of stadium is not cheap though, it looks very elegant, preserving the best from the old stadium.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/centurys_best/news/1999/06/02/top_venues/
Do you have any good pics from the old Bislett?

On the other hand I don´t think RBK is the "best" scandinavian team for the last 15-years, what you could say is that they have been the most sucessful team for the last 10 years (IFK Göteborg must be considered better than RBK before that).


I wont make a big deal about this, but Rosenborg won both matches against IFK in CL 1996. That is 11 years ago ;). They also played in CL in 1995, and was a very good team from 1988-1994, but didnt have the international experience yet to make top results outside Norway.

But this is not the point, I dont think Rosenborg have been the best team EVERY year since -92, but overall the best Scandinavian team.

And yes, they havent been just as good the last 4 years as we are used to(but still played in CL in 2005 and 2007). Why?
Here are some reasons:
1. They lost their legendery trainer Nils Arne Eggen
2. Its just hard to be on top every year. At some point you start relaxing..
3. New generation of very young players.
4. Motivation. The old players still left are OLD(36-37 years) and just dont get a kick playing in the norwegian league or Royal League. Its like it has to be CL to get them top motivated.

From the text it would appear that they are referring to the old Bislett stadium?

Yes the are. But I would still say that Wembley is historical/classic stadium, even if its new, if you get my drift. And the atmosphere at Bislett games is still the same old good one:cheers:

Lahti is also a famous ski jumping, cross country stadium

Absolutly, but not like Holmenkollen though. But still very good!

Olympiastadion, Helsinki
(40,000 seats) :

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7613/53344301ki4.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1719/2005081602fb9.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9049/53387588au0.jpg

Do you have any good pics from the old Bislett?

eh.. no! Hard to find, but it looked pretty much like the new one..! :)

Designwise; The Olympiastadium in Helsinki is Great. In my view the coolest in our region, and a classic indeed. But I also like the Stockholm stadion, just fantastic :cheers:

eh.. no! Hard to find, but it looked pretty much like the new one..! :)

Designwise; The Olympiastadium in Helsinki is Great. In my view the coolest in our region, and a classic indeed. But I also like the Stockholm stadion, just fantastic :cheers:

thanks muster!!

here's one more pic:

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3044/0506156718stdfi1.jpg


This is where the world's first athletics world championships were held in 1983 and again in 2005. The 1952 summer Olympics were held at the stadium and it's seen it's fair share of historic momenbts... ;

^^That is a good pic. Love the design, Helsinki must never destroy it or even think about building a new one!

I know about WC in -83, the norwegian legend Grete Waitz won the marathon:)

Unfortunately Helsinki Olympic Stadium and Ullevi Stadium share one thing that makes them outdated for being championship venues. The majority of the seats don't have any sheltering roof! It was made quite clear in the last athletics championships in both stadiums, 05 and 06.

If you put a roof on the Helsinki-stadium, you could end up with something like this: :cheers:

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/pix/home/bauen/olympiastadion_cr_390.jpg

If you put a roof on the Helsinki-stadium, you could end up with something like this: :cheers:

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/pix/home/bauen/olympiastadion_cr_390.jpg

Looks like it needs more than just the roof...the Olympic Stadium in Berlin is top modern:)

Yepp... that's the Berlin Olympic stadium isn't it? The roof is quite new... It did not have any roof when it was built. I think they have added a new small roof above one of the long sides to Helsinkis stadium lately...

It is the Olympic Stadium in Berlin and as I mentioned most of the stadium is pretty new (from 2004 I think). Only the facade, the main constructions and the fundament is old.

Also the roof in Berlin is old. Well... parts of it. The roofs on the long sides was built for the world cup 74. But then it was renovated and expanded so to speak for WC06. .

Also the roof in Berlin is old. Well... parts of it. The roofs on the long sides was built for the world cup 74. But then it was renovated and expanded so to speak for WC06. .I'm pretty sure the roof is brand new. You can probably see it here on my photo from this summer: http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/berlin/061.jpg

The renovation of it was HUGE, and it took longer than building the original stadium back n the 1930s. :)

You can find more photos of it in my Berlin thread, should you be interested. there's a link in my signature.

I'm also pretty sure that all of the roof is new. How it looked before the renovation:
http://www.inter.dk/stadions-misc/berlin%20stadion%20ude.jpg

You can also see it on the construction photos on the official webste: http://www.olympiastadion-berlin.de/index.php?id=31

On the last photo of 2002 there's no roof at all, so it's obviously new.

On the last photo of 2002 there's no roof at all, so it's obviously new.
http://www.olympiastadion-berlin.de/uploads/pics/november2_01.jpg

Soo, when will we see a roof on Helsinki Olympic stadium? :tongue2:

Yes you are right. I assumed that the old pillars were reused for the new roof because it looks the same today. But it actually looks like they were replaced, seen on the left side in this picture.


http://www.olympiastadion-berlin.de/uploads/pics/juni1_01.jpg

And now Norrköping is "renovating" their arena Parken for 31 million Euro. It'll be finished in summer 2009. The final decision is tho yet to be taken.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/norrkoping/article1232799.ab