Silvermb, I think you will find that the pic you posted is not what the podium is going to look like. You can already see the difference between the render and reality as indicated above.


Aussie

the render is closer to what will be there the final design is still being worked on ... there is no way the council is going to accept the facade being left as it is at present.

also Grollo - the idea of being able to sub-let the carspaces is not going to happen can you image the owners allowing office workers to park in their car park ... I think not.

@ tays & A-Brain. Hrrmmm, it really is a Catch-22. What both of you say makes perfect sense.

In a nut-shell, why not start creating a new-vibish area but then on looking around the immediate area, it doesn't give much incentive for doing so, but why let that stand in the way but if you take the risk, you may lose out....and so the ethereal cycle goes.

Hard one.

http://img35.exs.cx/img35/9003/RoyalDomain.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/haksoz/Images/08.08.04/P8071506.JPG

Hey I can see [my now old] office window in that shot ;)

You didn't do another commission tower job did ya Hacks? ;)

great Yarra Valley shot as well!

Hey Aussie

Great pic outside that cafe in Bank St.

Great Macs 2.

Likley an actual apartment will be ready for tangible inspection end '04 (Oct-Dec) including an update of ground Display.

http://hacksaw.port5.com/Images/28.8.04/P8271719.JPG

The corebox is now visible from the Richmond / Cremorne bend.

ahh the facade makes the tower

cream exposed precast, black alpolic/balconies and electric green ... good stuff, very Melburnian or Latitude-like!

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/rdt200409.jpg

Damn it's a massive building, looks more like an office tower than an apartment building it has such big floorplates.

http://members.optushome.com.au/haksoz/Images/BeaconCoveSEP04/P9131992.JPG

^^ pft - debate's better than just threads and threads of "ooh it's getting big" or "nice pics" etc.

:)


hhhmmmmmmmmmm

........if you suscribe to the correct trains of thought...........

:bash:

"great pic Hacksaw" :lol:

And it's looking massive from that angle too. How long till it's finished and I wish those bloody bludgers would pull there finger out.

I laugh louder when the laughter has a meaning. :) :) :)

What are those bludgers doing? Downing piss in the rain or something? How dare they.

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/yyyyih/DSC021371.JPG

By the way Hacksaw, it really is a classy photo, regardless of all the private jokes surrounding it. What is the mob of new roofs in the foreground???? It looks like Beacon Cove from above but way too close!! Is the town Hall looking tower to the far left Sth Melb Town Hall in Banks street??????

By the way Hacksaw, it really is a classy photo, regardless of all the private jokes surrounding it. What is the mob of new roofs in the foreground???? It looks like Beacon Cove from above but way too close!! Is the town Hall looking tower to the far left Sth Melb Town Hall in Banks street??????

Private jokes??
Yeah, the new roofs in the foreground are in Beacon Cove (this was taken from an apartment at 147 Beach street - the 4th tower from the pier), hence the above shot of the construction of the 5th apartment building in the bayside thread.
A shot of the houses you asked about:
http://members.optushome.com.au/haksoz/P1170055.JPG
The town hall seen to the far left might be the South Melbourne Town Hall but i'm not sure.

I have seen Beacon Cove from 12 floors up a couple of times and the roofs sure looked familiar, the distance b/w BC & RD is surely close then. The Town Hall to the right is Sth Melb town hall on Bank street, we used to drink at the town hall hotel down the road a bit 100 years ago. The Left one is Port Melb town Hall off Bay st, just checked out the melways to get my bearings a bit better.

How do you think the residents of Beacon Cove are enjoying their views diminishing by the day and being awoken at 6am every morning with the usual building site noisy rabble. Not Happy Jan!!

The three cranes you can see in your photo are a Std 1000 Mk 3 and a modified M310D (M230DSFx with fixed counterweights) at RDT (carpark extravaganzer) and a M380D which is on the old Travelodge on St Kilda Rd (Hallmark)

http://img60.exs.cx/img60/5598/P9242201.jpg

any new pix? should be as high as its neighbour now?

It has pretty glass! But I havent had my camera with me recently.

pouring level 20 slab two to go to be as "high as the neighbours" (380)

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/lukekasper/Domain.jpg

The glass is very green and the facade is very cream. Very Leafy Eastern Suburbs!

The glass is very green and the facade is very cream. Very Leafy Eastern Suburbs!Creaming my green jeans ;) . Anyone able to get a close-up pic of the green glass?

BTW Is it (actually) the eastern suburbs :? IMO it is too urban(e) to even be a suburb - also with its proximity in tow.

earlier this month

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/rdt200410.jpg

I took some on thursday, RDT spam!
http://www.melbournephotos.net/pics/2004-10-21%20Melbourne%20-%20South/IMG_1509.jpg

http://www.melbournephotos.net/pics/2004-10-21%20Melbourne%20-%20South/IMG_1387.jpg

That green facades, looks very much the same texture as Q1 (GC). I though Q1 would be mirrored in glass.

Muse,

No its not Eastern Suburbs, its Inner City, after all its only a couple of kilometres from the CBD on St Kilda Rd.

they're not talking about the physical location of the tower :)

I'd say its South then, not East.

I was talking about the style of the building. It looks very Leafy Eastern Suburbs (Malvern, Armadale, Hawthorn, Camberwell etc.)

wow, cool pix guys. hey so is the tower now 19 levels +core 3 = 22?
starting to progress fast.
do you think its a good idea having a green bldg next to another green bldg? suppose World Square did it.(WT & E&Y).

the glass colour is more of a blue green as per the bmw building on Kingsway. Not as green as St James next door.

^ thank god! :)

Originally posted by Aussie Steve
It looks very Leafy Eastern Suburbs (Malvern, Armadale, Hawthorn, Camberwell etc.)

How is it possible to look like 'leafy' eastern suburbs, and how do those suburbs come across as 'leafy'. What do you mean by leafy, and how do the mention suburbs fit this discription?

'Leafy' is a common description of Mebourne's Eastern/ Sth Eastern suburbs.... which contain many tree-lined streets of mature trees, more so than that of other suburbs around the city ;). They are just commenting how the character of the building suits/ reflects those areas.

Stu

there are plenty of leafy streets in the inner north and west as well.... :)

Royal Domain Tower (RDT) -- quick notes....

1/
Prices on display room sale boards this week have significantly increased - in the hundreds of thousands of $'s - for remaining residences...compared with prices shown in or about March '04

2/
In addition to Melbourne-based agent, Butler and Co. (http://www.butlerandco.com.au/rdt.php and http://www.butlerandco.com.au/rdtphotos.php ) top-end, Christie’s Prestige Homes now is marketing RDT, too (see link below):

http://www.prestigehomes.com.au/public/pub1.dll/084B5549-0B15-48AE-A344-60E815379E35/details.htm?id={B7081F36-1E00-41D4-9CF3-AF7C4ADC7D58}&type=current

3/
No actual residence is complete yet to inspect archictural detailing. Expect able end of'04 or early '05.

4/
Now on 20th floor. 22 remaining to attain 42 levels. Based on progress, completion probably should be in between Aug-Dec '05. October 2003 no level attained (see http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/cs/?id=132546 )

It's making an appearance....

http://www.thehoddlegrid.net/projects/updates/stkildaroad/rdt/rdt1011041.jpg

...just :lol: :)

http://img97.exs.cx/img97/2631/PB272804.jpg

wow, cool pic hack. going by next door neighbours height of 120m, RDT now looks 90m to core.

How is it possible to look like 'leafy' eastern suburbs, and how do those suburbs come across as 'leafy'. What do you mean by leafy, and how do the mention suburbs fit this discription?


LEAFY

Generally means the inner east and south eastern suburbs. Design ideas for planting these LEAFY areas were taken primarily from Sydney and London. The more expensive suburbs are associated with the word LEAFY.

However also means Parkville to the north and Williamstown to the West, etc. Leafy has commonly referred to the introduced English Plane trees that were planted over 100 years ago in the then more expensive residential growth areas. They started in Collins St and spread out from the 5 boulevards (St Kilda Rd, Dandenong Rd, Victoria St, Flemington Rd and Royal Parade) and into smaller neighbourhoods.
Prime examples are; Those above, Malvern, Ivanhoe, Toorak, South Yarra, Camberwell, Canterbury, etc.

http://img51.exs.cx/img51/9170/PC022836.jpg

top shot - Hallmark's coming along nicely as well.

Expect RDT cranes to be higher by Monday

what a monster for a residential building, huge girth.

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/rdt200412.jpg

The girth is directly related to all of Tayser's mates having 6 car spots each !!!! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha :)

Get ready to machine gun me down, hi-rise fans...

After taking some tourists through the Botanical Gardens and to the Shrine, I realised the impact this tower will have on this area.

Not good. Not good at all - I am being restrained here.

Cheers,

Adam

Do they block out views of Port Phillip Bay from the Shrine or something?

This tower will simply overpower the Shrine from the Botanical Garden's main entrance - I'll try to get a pic.

Cheers,

Adam

Don't quite get the picture, but as you said, you might take a pic AfO..

...

there's a larger version of this floating around somewhere:

http://www.thehoddlegrid.net/dump/rdt-botanics.png

Royal Domain Plaza:
http://img56.exs.cx/img56/4024/dsc003018ak.jpg

http://img83.exs.cx/img83/3652/dsc003024pv.jpg

http://img91.exs.cx/img91/7927/dsc003035qb.jpg

http://img84.exs.cx/img84/1955/dsc003040tz.jpg

Yes in say 15-29 years the botanic gardens will be like Central park in NY, surrouded by buildings quite tallish, well exept for the river side, and maybe east side, but it will be like a wall on St kilda road.

I thought you were refering to Random Drug testing... lol

Im pretty sure RDT is the last of the tall scrapers in the St Kilda Rd precinct? The height limit for most of road is just 60m.I think grollo mentioned it?
RDt is looking awesome!

Looks very nice in the higher floors, but it seems to overpower at streetlevel especially with the above ground carparks.

the site lines to the shrine from south melbourne are kept between st james and rdt. and yes it is a one off height wise for this area

ugh this is turning out to be a monstrosity - has it sold well/sold out? it boggles the mind why anyone would want to live in a development like this...so cramp! this is one tower melburnians will regret for years to come.

it looks VERY ordinary IMHO. but i have high standards for melbourne!

I actually like it.
However right now it does ooks like a stumpy fat bitch.

this is one tower melburnians will regret for years to come.


Speak for yourself! I like it and think it will look good there. A nice little cluster of scrapers creating its own mini skyline at Domain junction.

Well at the moment it is 'stumpy', and doesn't look particularly appealing. But once complete at full height with setbacks and all, I think it will be a nice tower. Although it could use a few tall friends close by I think it will fit in nicely.

Stu

Can't say I'm a fan
I thought the renders and the models looked good, but the facade doesn't do it for me at all

This skraper is great ! When driving along freeway (from West Gate towards citylink tunnel) just looking over at St Kilda area - looks like a whole new city developing over there with this new tower going up. Its almost like a small version of Adelaide city sitting here :-). This building is going to be great.

http://www.melbournephotos.net/pics/2005-01-24%20Melbourne%20-%20DocklandsRialto%20Construction/IMG_5528.jpg

anyone notice one of the cranes nearly did an mcg here today/last night?? It's boom was standing up proud at 2:30pm when I drove past and the other crane had a couple of blokes in a man box checking it all out.

So where in Melbourne are we going to start to see towers outside the CBD and Docklands area, I'd like to see some talls elseware.

What are the prospects for more towers on St Kilda Rd and this Junction?? Culwulla seems to think there isnt much??

hopeful st kilda will get more but as CULL said

im pretty sure there wont be any more tall ones (over 60m/20st) along St Kilda rd.the planning dept has come down hard on these type of towers.
wow RDT is looking massive.

But are there still sites for these 60 metres towers around st kilda rd

^ yeah im sure there is.Grollo might have more info.

The Queens road side of St. Kilda Road (the tallest of the 'rows') is City of Port Phillip. Other side of the road is City of Melbourne. CoPP are more nimbyish, after all they objected to a tower proposed in MCC (Clarendon Tower's twin) that would overshadow a part of their constituency to the south of the West Gate on Clarendon.

:lol:

says it all really.

I'd like to see a long row of middle-rise of buildings (a mini St Kilda road for condos & offices) stretching down along each side of light rail strip to Port Melbourne between Evans & Station Street. A sort of continuation of Melbourne City to the bay. Of course, as you pointed out above Tays, I would imagine Port Melbourne would drop its rag at the very mention of that prospect. Still you look at arial photos of Melbourne and that would look amazing. Bring the city to the bay. Probably more likely that Docklands will develope and things string out along the Yarra or towards Footscray (dare I say its possible and will probably very soon the most fashionable place west of the city ... next to Williamstown of course!!) Still, I like the idea of the city stretching out to Port Melbourne better - but thats just my opinion.

Watch them build out towards Coode Island. I wouldn't want my flat to overlook that but it just be an excuse to move it out of town once and for all. Could probably never afford the move though. And how long do you all give Williamstown before god forbid something more than seven stories goes up there? Whats more likely? Williamstown loosen up and allow high rise or they go the totally historic tourist mecca route - pull down the council towers and forbid anything remotely modern looking at all. Freo - Melbourne style. Could be wise from a tourist angle. I always wished they had trams there linking up Newport, Yarraville and Footscray. Regardless of what Williamstown does it will always have a futuristic forest of skyscapers to look out on. Its what the view will from Port Melbourne that I question.

I'd like to see a long row of middle-rise of buildings (a mini St Kilda road for condos & offices) stretching down along each side of light rail strip to Port Melbourne between Evans & Station Street. A sort of continuation of Melbourne City to the bay. Of course, as you pointed out above Tays, I would imagine Port Melbourne would drop its rag at the very mention of that prospect. Still you look at arial photos of Melbourne and that would look amazing. Bring the city to the bay. Probably more likely that Docklands will develope and things string out along the Yarra or towards Footscray (dare I say its possible and will probably very soon the most fashionable place west of the city ... next to Williamstown of course!!) Still, I like the idea of the city stretching out to Port Melbourne better - but thats just my opinion.

Watch them build out towards Coode Island. I wouldn't want my flat to overlook that but it just be an excuse to move it out of town once and for all. Could probably never afford the move though. And how long do you all give Williamstown before god forbid something more than seven stories goes up there? Whats more likely? Williamstown loosen up and allow high rise or they go the totally historic tourist mecca route - pull down the council towers and forbid anything remotely modern looking at all. Freo - Melbourne style. Could be wise from a tourist angle. I always wished they had trams there linking up Newport, Yarraville and Footscray. Regardless of what Williamstown does it will always have a futuristic forest of skyscapers to look out on. Its what the view will from Port Melbourne that I question.


Im with you on this one Williamstown should be left alone and yes if it was at all possible pull those bloody housing comm flats down. BTW the Strand shops are now being over run by tacky take away and fast food joints so I dont know how long it will keep its unique historic atmophere. sad really.

im pretty sure there wont be any more tall ones (over 60m/20st) along St Kilda rd.the planning dept has come down hard on these type of towers.
wow RDT is looking massive.

18-24 Dorcas st, approved 90m office tower
St Hilliers have bought the site next door on the old CH 7 studio and the above tower for a similar sized residential so the odd tower will sneak through above 60m provided its in the right spot. i hope they stick up another 100m residential next to the blank wall of Mayne HQ

18-24 Dorcas st, approved 90m office tower - silvermb

sorry if this is a dumb question but when was this approved and is it going to go ahead and will it impact the views from RDT. or will it be hidden by St James.

^^ on the odd chance that it actually goes ahead as an office tower it'll be predominantly behind St James. should be reincarnated as a residential down the track though

approved DA applications have a shelf life in Sydney of just 2 years.if notning happens the DA is shelved and new applicant has to go through whole DA stage again. Sometimes thing s have changed and they might not be able to build what was formerly approved. Not sure what happens with DOI.
btw, its been 5 weeks since last piccies. anything recent.? im updating diagrams. just want to draw in current status. on jan24 ,it was 25floors completed and 27 in corebox. so maybe 4 more floors?

now draw...

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/rdt 20050223.jpg

wow fantastic silver. your da man, its so massive.
it looks like lev28 to floor & 30 in core?
thankx

Fattest apartment tower in Australia? This thing would is huge even by office building standards. The lower level apartment floorplates measure 75m X 55m and have a floor area of 2500 square metres!!! The top floors measure 55m X 55m and an area of 2000 square metres and can be configured as one mega apartment!

Level 29, which is 2000 square metres sold for $8.5 million.

^ I think it would have to be largest resi in oz? most are kept slim for sun access purposes.Its amzing how it was allowed to be so deep? thus the large units. if they were smaller units, the tower would have to be thinner.

in this pic what is uc to left?
http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/rdt%2020050223.jpg

In the 2nd pic down CULWULLA? If so, it's Hallmark.

Here is a link of some construction pics silvermb took of it recently: St Kilda Rd (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=3386108#post3386108)

BTW Truly excellent pics silvermb. Fantastico!!

i love this tower kinda looks like it has a westfield in it ass though

thanks muse, i forgot silver joins his pix.

RDT looked huge from Albert park GP today. This time next year it will be all done. As with Eureka and all the other dozen skyscrapers uc atm. should have an awesome skyline next GP! should be pretty well craneless too! so get your cams ready for completed pix.

Pretty well craneless?? LOL yep the BOOM is over-back to 1993

^^ Easy tiger... I dont think he meant it like that at all. I agree with him, that all the dozens of cranes are an eyesore atm, i just want all these massive projects completed so i can marvel at the finished products, and then get my arse up to the top of the Big E, and enjoy the view.

Chicks Love it!

Dean - Melbourne

^^ Easy tiger... I agree with him, that all the dozens of cranes are an eyesore atm, i just want all these massive projects completed


Dean - Melbourne

Pretty hard to complete without cranes. Eyesore my arse, they add to the skyline.

Pretty hard to complete without cranes. Eyesore my arse, they add to the skyline.

Well i think you missed my point there chop. But anyway

LOL :bleh: :banana: :cucumber: :carrot: :pepper: :banana2:

:wave: :hi: :laugh: :okay:

Pretty well craneless?? LOL yep the BOOM is over-back to 1993
i ment instead of 44 skyscrapers uc which peaked last year, next year there will be just 5. so it will be craneless. sort of.lol

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lukekasper/RDT.jpg

thats one phat mumma :)

Distance shot:
http://img37.exs.cx/img37/1522/p3120133edited3rf.jpg

not long til it's the tallest on St. Kilda road!

i cant get over how bulky this building is ! its going to be bloody massive once finished ! :rock:

cheer

lozza

Even driving over the westgate now its a dominating presence.

http://img210.exs.cx/img210/673/P3120166.jpg

remember all the debate about the podium, tays and his PT mates sooking that there were too many carparks. i think the podium will be the towers best feature, plenty of detail still to come

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/rdt200503.jpg

great pix guys.RDT is comin along fine. nearly up to height of Sebel Suits.

Rendering of the podium:

http://www.winstruc.com/winport1/winport1_07c.jpg

love it!

http://img171.exs.cx/img171/6796/P3240286_edited.jpg

silvermb and Hacksaw :okay:

In some of the pics posted by forumers in this thread, RDT's windows sometimes look green and sometimes a bluish aqua.

Nice to see the podium starting to be clad in the metallic material.

BTW Hallmark still hasn't topped out to its full 70m/230ft.

...

RDT from atop the Shrine, get up there and have a look around

i recall someone saying RDT ruins the view from the shrine, cant say i agree with that. it really does augment St James next door, they work off eachother well

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/rdt200504.jpg

facade's much better than I expected, yer.

pffft @ sooking. :D

http://img70.exs.cx/img70/2084/P4130503.jpg

http://www.melbournephotos.net/pics/2005-04-15%20Melbourne%20-%20Rialto%20Obs%20deck%20and%20Construction/IMG_6424.jpg

fab shots guys! RDT looks like its equalled height of adjacent 120m st James! worked out level34 is in corebox. so another 10 floors to go.
cheers guys!

Yep, the core's definitely now higher than the top of St James when viewed from the city. Woo hoo! Tallest on St Kilda Road!

http://img91.echo.cx/img91/9669/sscrdt2sb.jpg

wow, moment in St Kilda Roads history.lol.
the 120m St James (originally built 1977 has been tallest for nearly 30 years surrenders to RDT.

Hey Cul, when St James was built in 1977 how high did it rank in Melbournes scrapers? Must've been pretty high, I don't think Nauru/CP was built back then?

actually 1976 it was completed (just going over my records).It was 5th tallest in Melbourne!
Melbs tallest then was Nauru at 182m but wasnt yet opened.
next was-
Commonwealth bank-153m
BHP Hs-152m
Marland House-121m
St James (St Kilda)120m
MLC (303 collins)-120m (antenna-150m)
AMP Square-113m
500 collins st-106m

Thx for the cul! I gotta say it looks better than most of the 70's 'commin block' style architecture that was so popular around the time! You could easily mistake it for a building done in the 90s!

From memory it wasn't like this when finished. In fact, I think the reno's were done in the 90's???

^ thats correct. it was a typical 1970's office bldg up until 1997-8, when it was refitted to resi use, which ment new facade ect.

in its hey day.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-vn3413629-v.jpg

St Kildas first really tall bldg-BP bldg 1964
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-vn3314521-v.jpg

It's a bit off the topic, but a few years back the rooftop penthouse won Australian apartment of the year. Wish I'd kept the magazine...it's a stunning fitout. Ultra modern and very gallery like. One day...

There have been a few chnages since this pic was taken :-)

http://www.pierluigisurace.it/imagerie/images/aatw/DOT_Aus_Melbourne_Arts_Centre_01.jpg

Arts spire was only 115m back then.

^ thats correct. it was a typical 1970's office bldg up until 1997-8, when it was refitted to resi use, which ment new facade ect.

in its hey day.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-vn3413629-v.jpg

St Kildas first really tall bldg-BP bldg 1964
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-vn3314521-v.jpg


Yep and I am proud to say its the biggest building so far I had to audit for hazmat before the strip out and refit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/barsby/DSCN1525.jpg

cool, so big for a resi tower. looks like lev36 in corbx!
thanx

fark it looks the part from Kings Way. the podium is pretty good

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/rdt 200505.jpg

myeah, better.

Just looks fat and boxy to me!

Big deal!

Cheers,

Adam

Shit, i cant believe how bulky and wide this building is ! It looks like it could easily be 60 stories tall ! I hope its not going to look stumpy and too short for its width like Melbourne Central ?? :rant: :bash: :dj:

Cheers :cheers:

Lozza :rock:

Guys, this was never going to be a particularly *attractive* tower. After the sleeker zenmedia design was tossed aside and the sphere was cut from atop the current design, it was a foregone conclusion, a given.

Then those eastern elevation ads followed in The Age. No real render ever appeared in those.

I think the developers always knew they weren't on a winning design here (for what they wanted to niche market to the upper echelon/s of society).

Looks like they might be cost-cutting on the base too. The hoardings are being whisked away, but no sign of the corner "artistic" piece covering the parking levels as yet. Unless that is still to come :?

However, funny enough, I'm still liking it so far, for what it is - a safe urban design for a metro area.

........