The Strait of Messina Bridge - The longest suspension Bridge in the world (3300m) [Archive] - Page 3

brick84

August 7th, 2010, 10:01 PM

Earlier in this thread there is information about that.

A tunnel is not feasible there, be it for seismic activity reasons and - more important - the deep and rugged undersea terrain found at the strait. The place is at a tectonic subduction zone, and depth reaches, if I'm not mistaken it, 280m on the Strait.

I don't think a tunnel is feasible. The maximum depth of the strait is about 250 meters.

The Channel Tunnel is maybe 40 - 50 meters below sea level over a 50 kilometer tunnel to cross a 40 kilometer strait.

However, the Strait of Messina is as deep as 280 meters. At a 2% rail incline, such a tunnel would need to have, what, 14 - 15 kilometer long approaches, making a whole tunnel of 30 - 32 kilometers long to pass a 3 km wide strait. That's not economic. A tunnel could be more feasible if it were to be a road-only tunnel, which can have much steeper inclines, there are tunnels in Norway with similar depths.

They face the same challenge for a Gibraltar fixed link to Morocco.

^^
You are all right.

Also, I add, with an underwater tunnel costs were significantly higher (at least 3 times, IMHO)

Both towers of the Strait of Messina Bridge combined wouldn't be as high as the Burj Khalifa.

The beauty of this bridge is going to be the fact there is nothing in the water - it completely spans a two mile (over three kilometer) gap.

An advanced species like us shouldn't have to dig and burrow underground when we can leap and jump into the air.

I agree. ^^

And...
The bridge over the Strait of Messina will still be some records ;):

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Suspensionstayed

August 9th, 2010, 02:27 AM

The above drawing shows a motor vehicle on the outside cantilevered lane. I really hope this would be a pedestrian walkway / bicycle path. You would think that a bridge like this would include such if not for the locals but for all the tourists.

Sal73x

August 9th, 2010, 07:53 AM

The outside cantilevered lane will be used only for maintenance,
No pedestrians nor pedalbikes will be allowed on the bridge.

JB Colbert

August 9th, 2010, 11:02 AM

In the attached link you can find the description of the Bridge construction methods:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtTPS6qoUgs&feature=related

Enjoy!

Strait City

August 9th, 2010, 11:28 AM

And...
The bridge over the Strait of Messina will still be some records ;):

http://i37.tinypic.com/5m0rye.jpg

For greatest "Deck width" I would be comparing it with the Sydney Harbour Bridge not Akashi which has a width record of 49m. Not bad for a bridge built in 1932!

^^ Regarding the cantilevered deck as a maintenance lane - that is just crazy. Why wouldnt you take advantgae of the many tourist who would love to at least walk to mid-span (1,650m) :nuts: I would make one side for pedsetrians, and the other for cyclist.

Suburbanist

August 11th, 2010, 02:44 PM

^^ Regarding the cantilevered deck as a maintenance lane - that is just crazy. Why wouldnt you take advantgae of the many tourist who would love to at least walk to mid-span (1,650m) :nuts: I would make one side for pedsetrians, and the other for cyclist.

They can just catch a train/coach or take a ferry instead.

Suspensionstayed

August 11th, 2010, 11:09 PM

They can just catch a train/coach or take a ferry instead.

The keyword here is "tourists". Daily there are many thousands of tourists that walk across the Brooklyn and Golden Gate Bridges here in the United States. Considering that the mainspan alone of the Strait of Messina Bridge is going to be longer than all the suspended spans of the Brooklyn and Golden Gate Bridges combined - well it's going to be some structure that can best be appreciated by walking across it under your own power.

Strait City

August 14th, 2010, 01:15 AM

^^ I agree - 3.3km walk in anyones language is a long way to walk. Not to mention how many kilometres you have to walk on the approaches just to get to the main span, unless they have elevators built into the pylons. Either way the people in this area need to take advanatge of the tourist factor.

Suburbanist

August 15th, 2010, 04:49 AM

What about a scenic elevator?

Strait City

August 21st, 2010, 01:31 AM

What about a scenic elevator?

Imagine the view from the top of the 382m Pylon. You could see the coastline for miles and Mount Etna etc. :eek:

brick84

August 27th, 2010, 04:25 PM

What about a scenic elevator?

At the moment, nothing! (what WE know)
Some time ago it was said that there would be an elevator that is even a restaurant (obviously not in the towers) on the pylons. But in CONCRETE there is nothing.

However I think the infrastructure itself will lead many investments in the immediate vicinity, and there will rise structures with beautiful views. :)

Imagine the view from the top of the 382m Pylon. You could see the coastline for miles and Mount Etna etc. :eek:

:yes:

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August 28th, 2010, 10:53 AM

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hammersklavier

August 29th, 2010, 10:28 PM

FWIW I've heard rumors that Florida's going to be converting the old Overseas Highway spans (Bahia Honda, Seven Mile, etc.) into multiuse trails sometime in the near future. Having some sort of pedestrian/bike lane is definitely a good idea: the lack of one's one of the biggest gripes I hear about the Verrazano Narrows Bridge.

So yeah, putting one in's definitely a good idea for a bridge that'll be an Instant Tourist Attraction (like the Akashi Kaikyo was).

brick84

August 30th, 2010, 11:04 PM

Ready to December, the project for the Strait of Messina

30/08/2010
The design for the bridge over the Strait of Messina "will be finished in November and deliver it to the Government Impregilo between the end of this month and early December. This has ensured a. D. Group Alberto Rubegni, meeting journalists to present the half. "At that time we will have completed our contractual commitments, then everything will pass into the hands of the government," he said. Rubegni also recalled that, on the commitment made by the Government in case of failure to complete the bridge, the State must pay compensation to companies building equal to 5% of the contract which has a total value of 5 billion .

Source: http://www.ttgitalia.com/pagine/Pron...Home-news.aspx

^^
Two months later than the date (September 30), but you knew (I had anticipated before the summer).
However, there may also be due to the complexity of the project

TRINACRIA FELIX

September 4th, 2010, 03:01 PM

MAP OF CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE WORKS ON LAND AND THE BRIDGE ON THE FINAL DRAFT
THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR (LEAD IMPREGILO).

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Suburbanist

September 5th, 2010, 07:55 AM

Does anyone have an estimate of the separate costs of the bridge, the road and the rail approaches themselves, itemized? I've seen some sensationalist comparisons with other bridges where they measure the cost per km of bridge and say the Italian project is overpriced, completely forgetting multi-km road AND rail tunnels on both approaches.

TRINACRIA FELIX

September 5th, 2010, 12:26 PM

Shezan

September 6th, 2010, 03:24 AM

great job, Trinacria Felix :okay:

Strait City

September 10th, 2010, 03:06 AM

Suspension Bridge, preparatory works and road and rail connections cost 6.3 billion euros.

I think they meant a break up like the following:

Preparatory Works (I.e. Design, Geotech, road and rail diversions, land aquisition, etc) = $
Bridge (I.e. Pylon to Pylon) = $
Approaches/Viaducts - Roads = $
Approaches/Viaducts - Rail = $
Tunnels - Road = $
Tunnels - Rail = $
_____________________________________
Total Project Cost = $

...or a similar format.:)

brick84

September 10th, 2010, 02:26 PM

TRINACRIA FELIX

September 12th, 2010, 11:14 PM

Tower Bridge on the Strait of Messina: geognostic survey on Circuito Street.
The survey activities are needed to compile the final design of the bridge.
The diameter of the boreholes ranges from 127 to 500 mm.
In the two holes up to 100 meters depth PVC tubes were inserted for enforcement of geophysical evidence. In the nine holes driven to a depth of 35 meters is used freezing with liquid nitrogen to sampled on site, deep soil layers.

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brick84

September 14th, 2010, 10:02 PM

I think they meant a break up like the following:

Preparatory Works (I.e. Design, Geotech, road and rail diversions, land aquisition, etc) = $
Bridge (I.e. Pylon to Pylon) = $
Approaches/Viaducts - Roads = $
Approaches/Viaducts - Rail = $
Tunnels - Road = $
Tunnels - Rail = $
_____________________________________
Total Project Cost = $

...or a similar format.:)

Not exactly what you mean but ... I think you can come in handy :)

This is the analysis of financial costs, unofficial!, Made by a university student from Milan (Brambilla. skeptical ...), the completion of the bridge.
The costs are not updated, thus far. But they are relatively to 2003 when it was approved the preliminary draft (and when the costs were much smaller even for the lower cost of raw materials: steel first!)

http://i56.tinypic.com/fkadxi.jpg

You can make yourself the appropriate proportions remember that the cost of the work was revised and is now about 6.3 billion €.

;)

Strait City

September 16th, 2010, 10:35 AM

Not exactly what you mean but ... I think you can come in handy :)

This is the analysis of financial costs, unofficial!, Made by a university student from Milan (Brambilla. skeptical ...), the completion of the bridge.
The costs are not updated, thus far. But they are relatively to 2003 when it was approved the preliminary draft (and when the costs were much smaller even for the lower cost of raw materials: steel first!)

http://i56.tinypic.com/fkadxi.jpg

You can make yourself the appropriate proportions remember that the cost of the work was revised and is now about 6.3 billion €.

;)

Thanks Brick ! :okay:

If we multiply a factor of 1.3 to these numbers to bring them to 2010 values it would be as follows:

Suspension Bridge: €. 4.002
Preliminary Works: €. 0.433
Road and Rail Connections: €. 1.860
_________________________________
Total €. 6.295

..... more or less. Let's say it opens before schedule and they save €5M ;)

brick84

September 19th, 2010, 12:27 PM

ChrisZwolle

September 19th, 2010, 08:33 PM

A 30% cost increase in 7 years on an already skeptical calculation seems a bit high though.

Strait City

September 22nd, 2010, 11:59 AM

^^

:okay:
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This video Impregilo is very similar to the video of the building project that we all know. Only at the end of the video (weep invites) you can also see how they will be implemented and how will the tunnel entrance and exit to the Bridge.

:cheers:

This is a more faster and funkier video! Are you sure Spike Lee didnt direct it? :nuts:

It's funny how Impregilo has all this information on their website, but the Stretto di messina SpA website is still non-opeartional:bash:

Strait City

September 22nd, 2010, 12:04 PM

A 30% cost increase in 7 years on an already skeptical calculation seems a bit high though.

I think the numbers are always going to be astronomical on this project, but it is the ratio that really justifies how big a project this is.

Yes there is the bridge that accounts for more than 60% of the project, but then there is all the connections to the existing infrastructure that is 30% of the total costs and that makes you really appreciate how big a deal this project is.

I just hope they hurry up and start building it before another election is held!

GENIUS LOCI

September 24th, 2010, 05:33 PM

^^
They have to start tomorrow or so, then... :D

huge

September 27th, 2010, 12:49 PM

I don't think a tunnel is feasible. The maximum depth of the strait is about 250 meters.

In the Italian thread there were a lot of discussions about feasibility of a tunnel.

The strait is about 80m deep in the area where the bridge is supposed to be built, therefore a tunnel could have been a realistic solution, as much deeper tunnel have been dug.

Pros & Cons

Cost effective? Maybe not. As it's been pointed out, trains approaches to the actual tunnel might be very long, increasing exponentially the expences.

Seismic area? Yes, but tunnels are usually far more resistent to an earthquake than bridges, and even in case of major events, damages can still be minor ones.
As an example, undreground tunnels in Japan have never suffered severe structural damages as a conseguence of an earthquake.

Would it take longer to build it? Well, that basically depends on the lenght of the approaches that should be built, and on the nature of the soil.
I think there are not enough info to be able to provide a realistic answer.

Any way, as a matter of fact, the tunnel option was never taken into serious consideration.
Past governments have always pushed for the bridge as a solution.
Political reason? Economic? Worldwide visibility?

Whatever it is, a decision has been made now and final studies are underway, with the final design of the bridge foreseen to be ready in Dec this year and work due to start during the first months of 2011.

Let's see and wait for news.

Suburbanist

September 27th, 2010, 02:41 PM

It's undeniable that the "Ponte sullo Stretto" will be an European, indeed a worldwide landmark that will boost the Italian tradition of avant-grade design, style and overall architectural beauty.

Not that I'd favor a bridge over a tunnel if the tunnel were to be found preferable. I just damn want a fixed Sicilia-Calabira link. Then I'll transfer my "damn need of road special works" to a second Mont Blanc or Frèjus bore (as I hope A3 will be finished when the bridge is going to be opened for traffic).

(on a side note, I'll not be bored by the ferry crossing in Villa San Giovanni and the mess that is Messina urban crossing before rejoining A18 to Catania each time I'm driving there!)

TRINACRIA FELIX

September 27th, 2010, 09:04 PM

brick84

September 30th, 2010, 03:59 PM

In the Italian thread there were a lot of discussions about feasibility of a tunnel.

The strait is about 80m deep in the area where the bridge is supposed to be built, therefore a tunnel could have been a realistic solution, as much deeper tunnel have been dug.

Pros & Cons

Cost effective? Maybe not. As it's been pointed out, trains approaches to the actual tunnel might be very long, increasing exponentially the expences.

Seismic area? Yes, but tunnels are usually far more resistent to an earthquake than bridges, and even in case of major events, damages can still be minor ones.
As an example, undreground tunnels in Japan have never suffered severe structural damages as a conseguence of an earthquake.

Would it take longer to build it? Well, that basically depends on the lenght of the approaches that should be built, and on the nature of the soil.
I think there are not enough info to be able to provide a realistic answer.

Any way, as a matter of fact, the tunnel option was never taken into serious consideration.
Past governments have always pushed for the bridge as a solution.
Political reason? Economic? Worldwide visibility?

Whatever it is, a decision has been made now and final studies are underway, with the final design of the bridge foreseen to be ready in Dec this year and work due to start during the first months of 2011.

Let's see and wait for news.

Actually I remember (but I ask for confirmation Messina) that the average depth of the Strait of Messina was about 200 m, not 80.

However, after decades of studies, projects, cases, the bridge was chosen primarily for technical reasons:

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brick84

October 16th, 2010, 05:08 PM

Messina Bridge. Within the year, the final draft
The managing director of the Strait of Messina, Pietro Ciucci, "already the next few days we will have important parts of the project"

Carry out the preliminary stages for the start of work on the Strait. "We are working very hard. The next deadline is the submission of the final draft before the end of the year. Delivery will be split and already the next few days we will have important parts of the project. " He said on the sidelines of a hearing in the House, the President of ANAS, as well as managing director of the Straits of Messina, Pietro Ciucci.

"We are progressing on schedule. Early next year - said Ciucci - we can initiate the Framework Law for the approval of the project recently by the CIPE.

Source:
http://www.siciliaway.it/ponte-di-me...finitivo/28968

brick84

October 16th, 2010, 05:09 PM

INFRASTRUCTURE: SICILY SIGNS AGREEMENT WITH CHINA DEVELOPMENT BANK

(AGI) - Palermo, October 6 - The Sicilian Region has signed a first memorandum of understanding with the China Development Bank, identified as a partner to cover a range of financial needs related to the formation of large-scale infrastructure on the island. The document signed today in the offices of the Roman Region President Raffaele Lombardo, comes after the mission in China for the Sicilian presence at Expo 2010 in Shanghai and meetings with various institutions in Beijing launched the assessors and Centorrino Armao, and general managers Attaguile and Campo.

As the main government bank in China specialized financial investment in infrastructure, the China Development Bank provides financial support to the development of the People's Republic of portentous economy through loans and financial investments in the medium to long term.
In late 2009, the amount of buoyancy renminbin reached the 4,500 billion (500 billion euro) to EUR 100 Milardi are also invested abroad, with 33 major projects funded under way in Europe.
The agreement with Sicily pays particular attention to the development of logistics and transport, in view of the role of platform in the middle of the Mediterranean in Sicily aims to serve the larger international traffic in Europe and North Africa. A technical meeting and is' turning point in the afternoon to start a major project in the field of renewable energy and a Chinese delegation will be 'in these days in Catania, to discuss the marinas' and rail links with Europe and Sicily. Saturday, the Chinese will visit the area of the bridge on the Messina Strait.
The signing of the cartel coincided with the visit to Italy by Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao, who opened the events of the year of China in Italy. In this context, and 'in Sicily in 2011 provided a cultural event reminiscent of the work carried out in China in the seventeenth century by Sicilian Jesuit who translated into Latin the thought of Confucius. (AGI)

brick84

October 16th, 2010, 05:10 PM

New italian thread:

Ponte sullo Stretto di Messina - XIV

^^

Geography

October 16th, 2010, 06:30 PM

Wow, China's going to finance an Italian bridge. To quote Bob Dylan, "The times, they are a-changin'." I wonder what the terms of the loan will be. Are they trying to squeeze as much money out of Italy as they can, or give low interest loans as a friendship move? Coming up with financing removes the biggest obstacle to this bridge since Italy can ill-afford any large infrastructure spending with their current deficits and low-rated sovereign bonds.

Strait City

October 19th, 2010, 11:53 AM

Luli Pop

October 19th, 2010, 05:40 PM

they want interest rate + some chinese constrution company involved in the construction...

today its better to give loans to an infrastructure construction program than to buy US bonds.
China has been buying american trash bonds and financing it's systematic deficit for too long and it's too exposed to that.

we assist a change on economical system now, the most important since the fall of "gold standar": the fall of "dollar standar".

more economic independence for everybody!
China did it!

Restless

October 19th, 2010, 11:54 PM

I think Italy will get a good deal if they're smart about it.

Most of the world's longest bridges have recently been built by companies in China. Plus the price is unbeatable for pretty high quality construction.

In addition, it's very rare for an infrastructure project to go over budget in China, as the auditors descend like hawks if that happens and everyone involved gets a big black mark against their name.

A list is shown below of the world's longest bridges and also longest suspension bridges

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_bridges_in_the_world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_suspension_bridge_spans

panda80

November 18th, 2010, 09:38 PM

Nothing new on the bridge? When will the real works finally start?

brick84

November 20th, 2010, 12:42 AM

Nothing new on the bridge? When will the real works finally start?

In the end of 2011 or start 2012.
The times depends on italian burocrazy and political times!

Last news:

The point on the bridge and yet another announcement: start of work at the end of 2011. Government stability allowing
The CEO of the Strait of Messina "met the mayor Buzzanca: a day protocol with the University of cities of the Straits. The final draft will be completed before Christmas

Ad after ad, yet another record: the end of 2011 will start work on the bridge over the Strait. To say Pietro Ciucci, CEO of the Strait of Messina, which this morning met with the mayor Giuseppe Buzzanca Palazzo Zanca to take stock of the situation. The final draft, said Ciucci, will be completed before Christmas, presumably by December 20, although Eurolink has already supplied over 50 percent of the over 8000 expected processed. The next step, it will be approved by the CIPE for objective law, step preparatory to the declaration of public utility and therefore to the expropriation of the delicate phase, "for which - they said in unison and Buzzanca Ciucci - we will aim to have the full cooperation of the citizens. " There is a great unknown, however, that minimizes Ciucci but that is concrete: the political stability of
national government. The transition to the CIPE is scheduled for April 2011, when it is unclear what type of government we will be in Rome. "I exclude that a government can stop it, whereas it is a work in progress," says Suckling. This excludes him, but we can not exclude in principle that any new government, political color different from the present and with different ideas on the bridge project, can make a stop at work. "But in that case - Ciucci brakes - you should take the responsibility to pay large penalties." How big? "The 5 percent of four-fifths of the total." Translated into figures, if authentic, the amount announced that 6.5 million would mean an estimated 260 million euro. "But the problem does not exist - he says slyly Buzzanca - the government will not fall."

Turning to the contents of today, and Buzzanca Ciucci confirmed that in a few days will be realized in collaboration with the Universities of Messina and Reggio Calabria. "A crucial step - said the mayor - for the training of those professionals required to work. There is community of purpose about the importance of involving the expertise of the area, while recognizing the autonomy of the Messina Strait. Next week, however, we will have another meeting in Rome for more details. " Ciucci sets forth the key dates: December 20, final draft, April 2011 approval of the law aim to CIPE, in the meantime it will take two months for engineers to examine and verify the Strait of Eurolink processed, then at the end of 2011, the opening yards. "The rapid execution of the work - said Ciucci - depends largely on the quality of design, so this step is crucial." The surveys with the now famous drills are almost completed ("we are now 95 per cent), while continuing environmental monitoring, where data, said Ciucci, will be made available to all on the website of the Strait.

The Bridge to the company sought to respond to the open letter to the president of the engineers found the Saints: "First I want to say that we operated in full compliance. In addition, the bridge system has already involved several local professionals, a few dozen, with a choice made according to the criteria usually used and that meet quality standards. " Ciucci no longer wants to hear talk of "transfer" of funds from the bridge to other destinations, such as the safety of the area: "We are not at this stage are not the resources of the bridge that can be used to address the hydrogeological, problem that I know well since it is also president of ANAS. We are at the stage where we must think about how and when to do the Bridge, not "if" it. "

Source: tempostretto.it

brick84

November 20th, 2010, 12:44 AM

BRIDGE ON THE CLOSE WITHIN THE YEAR THE FINAL DRAFT
The chairman of the Straits of Messina, Pietro Ciucci took stock of the progress of the work. "Those for Cannitello variant, the first preparatory work of the deck at Villa San Giovanni, continuing as a time trial program."

(19/11/2010)
The mayor of Messina, Giuseppe Buzzanca, met this morning at Palazzo Zanca, with the president of ANAS, Pietro Ciucci, CEO of Stretto di Messina, to review progress on the design dell'attraversamento stable Strait. The city has confirmed the first full collaboration between the municipal administration ela Strettodi Messina and took note of the confirmation of the professionalism of the territory to be used later in realization of the process on the basis of the training program that will be launched with the 'University of Messina, Università degli Studi Mediterranea di Reggio Calabria, the same company Straits of Messina, the general contractor Eurolink, Project Management Consultant Parsons Transportation Group D Italy and Sicily, in order to create appropriate forms of cooperation for the 'duration of the construction work.

Buzzanca confirmed, then, that next week reincontrerà Ciucci in Rome for a new confrontation in the context of a necessary requirement to be able to provide as much detail as possible to the citizens and to overcome residual mistrust. The President Ciucci made the point on the progress of the work, pointing out that by December the final draft will be ready: "I work for the variant Cannitello, the first preparatory work of the deck at Villa San Giovanni, carried forward as time trial program. As for the campaign of geological investigations were carried out 95 percent of the surveys, or 187 out of 198. We expect to be completed by November;

for environmental monitoring, all monitoring stations were installed on the planned area of 36 square kilometers, or about 10 times greater than that affected by the works. It is primarily about 60 units for air monitoring, 60 monitoring wells for groundwater deeper than 10 meters and over 150 inclinometer probes for control of the territory geomorphology "The data that these stations are monitoring relate to the characters-ecological environmental quality of air, water and soil, the health of animal and plant communities; morfoevolutive the dynamics in place, the character and visual-perceptual sensitivity landscape and the historical-cultural heritage and analysis of the socio-cultural landscape.

Regarding the roadmap for its development was confirmed before Christmas, between 18 and 20 December, will be delivered by the contractor the final draft. "It 's been solved, said Ciucci - the delicate phase of polls, and after delivery of the final project, which costs € 70-80 million, it will take two months to examine and validate. In March 2011 there will be an examination of the board, then the opinion of the Scientific Committee and the presentation of the project for approval in the objective law. " At this point, "we should have - said Ciucci, by September of next year and approval in late 2011 and early 2012 the opening of the major shipyards."

The National Agency for the streets, from 1 October 2007-as-you remember is the majority shareholder of Stretto di Messina, concessionaire for the design, implementation and management of the link structure. In implementing the Law of 24 November 2006, No 286, Anas has indeed a share of 81 per cent as part of a shareholder who sees Italian Railway Network with 13 percent, Calabria and Sicily Region, each with a stake of 2.6 per cent .

Source: http://www.nettunopress.it/news.asp?...one=1&id=35936

brick84

December 4th, 2010, 12:10 AM

Messina Bridge: Fiammenghi (companies 'Strait), a project more' ahead of expectations

Rome, November 30 (Adnkronos) - "The project for the bridge over the Straits of Messina are even more 'ahead of the ones that have the knowledge and expectations within the next month we will have completed the final draft, which will deliver for the next examination by the CIPE. It 'as announced Fiammenghi Francis, general manager of the company' Stretto di Messina, opening the First Session of the conference on 'Building the future of Calabria, Brutium organized by the association of Calabria in the world, and Cosit, the Committee for the development and technological innovation in Calabria, at the Palazzo Marino in Rome.

"In December of last year have started preparatory work to the implementation of the Bridge, through the efforts of the Berlusconi government and the Minister of Transport Matteoli, after an unexpected stop ordered by the previous Prodi government," recalls Fiammenghi. As for financing, "40% will be 'capital and thus guaranteed by the state and the two regions while the remaining 60% with the system project financing through the payment of tolls. I can start building sites already' in 2011 and the Bridge on Strait will be able to 'be a reality' in 2017. "

30/11/2010

Strait City

December 4th, 2010, 10:27 PM

^^ Is the Detailed Design complete yet?

And what sites will be the first to commence? The bridge pylons or the haul roads or rail or other?

They need to get started before there is another election!

brick84

December 6th, 2010, 12:23 AM

Quiet, quiet. :)

Not until September 2011 work began on the Bridge!
Where the preparation of the final draft should be made several bureaucratic procedures (approved by the CIPE, etc.). And then begin, according to me, with excavation to determine the cells of the Bridge.

However, if you see the video "construction project" of Impregilo Bridge, you will realize it yourself. ;)

Here is it:

KFEqxmqDgEE

A l e x

December 21st, 2010, 05:37 PM

Good news, the second out of three steps of the Messina strait bridge project has been achieved yesterday by the project finance sponsors, with the delivery of the so-called "definitive project".
That means that all the preliminary on-site works can begin.

Rhoy

December 22nd, 2010, 06:45 PM

DEFINITIVE PROJECT FOR MESSINA BRIDGE DELIVERED

(ANSA) - Rome, December 21 - The general contractor for the proposed Messina bridge, linking Sicily to the Italian mainland, has handed in its definitive project plan, which aside from the bridge itself entails over 40km of road and rail construction, the highway authority ANAS said on Tuesday.
"The punctuality with which the project was defined clearly demonstrates the government's intention to complete what it considers to be a priority for the south, Italy and Europe, given that it is a key element to the Berlin-Palermo corridor," Public Works Minister Altero Matteoli said.

The plans for the bridge project were presented by Eurolink to the Stretto di Messina corporation, which is in charge of the overall project.
The plans included over 8,000 projects which meet the technical guidelines and budget set down by Stretto di Messina in 2003.

The definitive project must now be approved by Stretto di Messina and then by the public works ministry, before it gets its final go-ahead from the interministerial economic planning commission Cipe. The government has yet to nail down most of the six and a half billion euros needed to build the bridge.

The hunt for five billion euros in private financing has been tasked to Stretto di Messina CEO Pietro Ciucci, who has been given special powers.
In November 2009, parliament approved the government's contribution of 1.5 billion euros required to get construction started.
The suspension bridge is touted to become the longest of its kind once it is built.
The brainchild of the previous government led by Premier Silvio Berlusconi, from 2001 to 2005, the project was shelved by the centre-left government of premier Romano Prodi.
Berlusconi revived the scheme when he returned to office in May 2008.
Supporters hail the bridge as a huge job-creation scheme that would give Italy's image a major boost while bringing Sicily closer to the mainland in both physical, psychological and social terms.
But it has been opposed by environmentalists and dogged by concerns over its safety and fears of potential Mafia involvement.
The 3,690-metre-long bridge has been designed to be able to handle 4,500 cars an hour and 200 trains a day and would replace slow ferry services between the island and the mainland.

Peloso

December 23rd, 2010, 09:23 AM

It's good that people talk about a "so-called" definitive project. As for me, I will believe it when I see it. And even if a definitive project actually exists, frankly speaking, said project could only be realized in practice if the Chinese take on themselves the whole burden of it, and not just a part.

Rhoy

December 23rd, 2010, 12:58 PM

Skepticism is comprehensible. The last ok, which passes through political turmoils, is not that granted considering how schizofrenic the italian governement can be.

However, they never went that far to deliver a definitive project. This should means something.

TRINACRIA FELIX

January 2nd, 2011, 09:39 PM

There are three subway stations provided the final draft of the bridge over the Strait. From the new railway station Gazzi stops in the territory of Messina will be three:
Europe, Annunziata and Papardo.
Crossing the Bridge the "Metro rail of the Strait" will arrive to the airport "Tito Minniti" in Reggio Calabria.
The Metro rail marked with red line is in operation. So, all the metro rail system will start from Giampilieri Marina to Reggio Calabria airport.

http://i54.tinypic.com/2mquusz.jpg

brick84

January 3rd, 2011, 09:00 PM

Architect of Ground Zero
for the Messina Bridge

http://i55.tinypic.com/2drrry0.jpg

Daniel Libeskind will design the architectural structures related to the bridge over the Strait. "The work creates a unique connection between the two coasts, while offering a new chance to stay in an extraordinary place"

From Ground Zero to the Strait of Messina. The architect Daniel Libeskind will design the architectural structures related to the bridge over the Strait. The professional has met in Rome with the CEO of Stretto di Messina, Pietro Ciucci, and the general manager of the company, Joseph Fiammenghi. The works, including the final draft, cover the area of the business center in town Piale (Villa San Giovanni, Reggio Calabria), the band from block to anchor the bridge tower (Cannitello), the promenade of Villa San Giovanni.

"The architectural project - says Libeskind - is to communicate the integrity of the space-time memory of the Mediterranean, testifying to its importance as the epicenter of history and culture of Europe and the world. The work of crossing the Straits of Messina creates a unique connection between the two coasts, while offering a new chance to stay in an extraordinary place, a place made for contemplation but also fun. In fact, the bridge itself is an object that unites them, symbolizing the freedom of movement. "

Libeskind added: "The idea behind the project is therefore to introduce an additional value for the public, creating a place of joy and participation that enters our everyday life. A work as ambitious and wonderful to be able to communicate with citizens and become a gathering and exchange between cultures. This is the importance and significance of the bridge of the twenty-first century. "

Libeskind has united the bridge to the reconstruction of Ground Zero in New York in which it is currently engaged. On 20 December, the company has received from the Strait of Messina general contractor Eurolink the final design of the bridge and over 40 kilometers of road and rail connections. The next steps involve the approval of the final draft by the same company and the commencement of the investigation by the Ministry of Infrastructure that will end with the approval of the CIPE. We plan to start the main construction of the bridge in 2011, with the aim of the work open to traffic in 2017.

(January 3, 2011)
© Reproduction reserved

http://palermo.repubblica.it/cronaca/2011/01/03/news/l_architetto_di_ground_zero_per_il_ponte_di_messina-10821792/

:cheers:

g.spinoza

January 6th, 2011, 07:47 PM

KFEqxmqDgEE

I never realized there were tunnels involved. I guess they're on the Calabrian side, to make easier the connection with A3?

Sal73x

January 6th, 2011, 08:05 PM

I never realized there were tunnels involved. I guess they're on the Calabrian side, to make easier the connection with A3?

Both sides,
with A3, with A20 and with railways...

Strait City

January 8th, 2011, 12:23 PM

[SIZE="5"][FONT="Century Gothic"][U]Architect of construction of the bridge in 2011, with the aim of the work open to traffic in 2017.

(January 3, 2011)
[B]© Reproduction reserved

http://palermo.repubblica.it/cronaca/2011/01/03/news/l_architetto_di_ground_zero_per_il_ponte_di_messina-10821792/

:cheers:

the project is doomed if they have libeskind working on it!

What are the odds of libeskind projects getting the green light in Italy. Berlusconi canned his "curvo" tower in milan

Strait City

January 8th, 2011, 12:28 PM

Alargule

January 10th, 2011, 10:24 PM

KFEqxmqDgEE

Wow, that music...thought the eighties ended 21 years ago, but once again, I was mistaken! :)

brick84

January 11th, 2011, 12:51 AM

MESSINA BRIDGE: Ponzellini, PROJECT AND 'READY, OVER THE GOVERNMENT DECISION

(AGI) - Milan, Jan. 10 - The final draft of the bridge over the Straits of Messina and 'ready and it' was presented to the government to take a decision on the issue. And 'what has made it clear the president of Impregilo, Massimo Ponzellini, speaking at the presentation of an exhibition devoted to the economic crisis.

''We have presented the final draft with the times,''he explained Ponzellini and stating that 'the next deadline:''The government will give' an answer.''

^^

01-2011 19:01
Messina Bridge: Ciucci, a time line, okay project by March

"Everything is proceeding according to program time trial. " He said the CEO of Stretto di Messina, Pietro Ciucci, interviewed by anxiety, in relation to progress of work on the construction of the bridge on the Messina Strait. "The general contractor Eurolink has completed the delivery of the final draft on December 20 and are ongoing verification activities by the Strait of Messina from Parsons Transportation and assisted by the Scientific Committee, " said Ciucci, noting that "according to the timetable set The Board of Directors of the Company may approve the final draft by the end of February, early March and at that point the project will be forwarded to the Ministry of Infrastructure and the Ministry of the Environment for consideration under the rules of objective law and one concludes with the approval of the CIPE. According to the time to read the procedure could be completed by summer, which will break ground later this year as announced, early 2012. "(ANSA).

ansa.it

TRINACRIA FELIX

February 6th, 2011, 02:19 PM

STRAIT OF MESSINA BRIDGE - FINAL DRAFT
ENVIRONMENTAL MONITORING TABLES

http://i53.tinypic.com/2v0d5k2.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/30a5e1g.jpg
FINAL DRAFT - ENVIRONMENTAL MONITORING GROUNDWATER TABLE 1

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FINAL DRAFT - ENVIRONMENTAL MONITORING GROUNDWATER TABLE 2

http://i51.tinypic.com/j8lkt1.jpg
FINAL DRAFT - ENVIRONMENTAL ATMOSPHERE TABLE 1

http://i56.tinypic.com/9kyumv.jpg
FINAL DRAFT - ENVIRONMENTAL ATMOSPHERE TABLE 2

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FINAL DRAFT - ENVIRONMENTAL MONITORING SOIL AND UNDERGROUND TABLE 1

http://i55.tinypic.com/352is87.jpg
FINAL DRAFT - ENVIRONMENTAL MONITORING SOIL AND UNDERGROUND TABLE 2

TRINACRIA FELIX

February 6th, 2011, 02:21 PM

EXTRAPOLATION OF SPECIAL AREAS FROM THE BOARDS ENVIRONMENTAL
MONITORING OF THE FINAL DRAFT OF MESSINA STRAIT BRIDGE!

http://i52.tinypic.com/mw4j6g.jpg
SUBWAY STATION OF THE STRAIT "ANNUNZIATA"

http://i55.tinypic.com/2i8exy8.jpg
SUBWAY STATION OF THE STRAIT "EUROPA"

http://i54.tinypic.com/2udvpqt.jpg
SUBWAY STATION OF THE STRAIT "PAPARDO"

http://i54.tinypic.com/j64up2.jpg
CONNECTION RAIL-ROAD

http://i55.tinypic.com/sll53q.jpg
NEW TRAIN STATION OF MESSINA "GAZZI"

http://i51.tinypic.com/ivl7jo.jpg
NEW MOTORWAY JUNCTION "CURCURACI"

brick84

February 7th, 2011, 10:40 PM

Some time ago I posted rates back to the preliminary draft ..
Well, now I found the most "updated"(May 2010) that are slightly higher.

There.

(Vehicle type & Single transit fare)

http://i56.tinypic.com/23wqgqd.jpg

Costs almost in line with current prices (by ferry)

brick84

February 7th, 2011, 10:54 PM

During the ten-year study on what could be the best solution for the crossing of the Strait of Messina, between cases as you know there were that the river bed and sub-bed of which carry a few sketches here:

1.

http://i52.tinypic.com/25012ma.jpg

2.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2ppahx4.jpg

chornedsnorkack

February 8th, 2011, 07:25 AM

Well, now I found the most "updated"(May 2010) that are slightly higher.

There.

(Vehicle type & Single transit fare)

http://i56.tinypic.com/23wqgqd.jpg

Costs almost in line with current prices (by ferry)
What are the current and bridge prices for pedestrians?

Suburbanist

February 8th, 2011, 09:37 AM

What are the current and bridge prices for pedestrians?

I doubt there pedestrians will be allowed on the bridge. They will have to take a train, bus or taxi. I also think there will remains a couple ferries for pedestrians only.

Alseimik

February 8th, 2011, 02:56 PM

^^ There should be, it would be a far too long travel if your going from Messina to Reggio di Calabria, so at least that route should be used.

TRINACRIA FELIX

February 9th, 2011, 01:50 PM

What are the current and bridge prices for pedestrians?

I don't think you can cross the bridge by walk, so pedestrians can use the service of "Metropolitan of the Strait" as shown in the picture.
Currently across the Strait by ferry costs 2.50 Euro one way.

MOBILITY INTEGRATED AREA OF MESSINA STRAIT.

http://i54.tinypic.com/2mquusz.jpg

Sal73x

February 10th, 2011, 09:02 PM

^^ There should be, it would be a far too long travel if your going from Messina to Reggio di Calabria, so at least that route should be used.

You are right,
by hydrofoil Messina-Reggio Calabria is 12 km in a straight line, about 15-20 minutes.

As you can see there are other people that keep promoting the train service
that would (if they ever build the bridge and had any money left for this type of service)
connect Messina to Reggio Calabria on rail (36 km), 8 intermediate stops and, I'm guessing, minimum 45 minutes travel.

All roses and flowers...

Strait City

February 12th, 2011, 11:10 AM

:nuts:Every great bridge has a pedestrian walkway. I remember seeing it in one of the cross-sections.

To assume that the two main destinations will be Messina and Reggio is a falicy. Once the bridge is built the focal points of the strait will change. It is rediculous to think the bridge is being built for the citizens of Messina and Reggio alone.

chornedsnorkack

February 12th, 2011, 04:04 PM

Is any TAV line under construction between Naples and Messina?

Sal73x

February 12th, 2011, 04:13 PM

Is any TAV line under construction between Naples and Messina?

No, and there wont be any.

brick84

February 12th, 2011, 09:23 PM

Is any TAV line under construction between Naples and Messina?

Not in construction, but design is a line Av / Ac from Battipaglia (after Naples- Campania) to Reggio Calabria, and then to the bridge.

And it is only thanks to him if you will.

Strait City

February 18th, 2011, 08:55 AM

Not in construction, but design is a line Av / Ac from Battipaglia (after Naples- Campania) to Reggio Calabria, and then to the bridge.

And it is only thanks to him if you will.

What is AV /AC ?

Surely they are at least making provision for the TAV for future expansion to Sicily?

Sal73x

February 18th, 2011, 09:51 AM

What is AV /AC ?

Surely they are at least making provision for the TAV for future expansion to Sicily?

The TAV (300-350 km/h) stops at Naples (Battipaglia) ...at 420km from Messina.

AC: Alta Capacità - High Capacity
a line with mixed traffic of cargo at 150 km/h and passengers at 200 km/h.

chornedsnorkack

February 18th, 2011, 10:33 AM

The TAV (300-350 km/h) stops at Naples (Battipaglia) ...at 420km from Messina.

AC: Alta Capacità - High Capacity
a line with mixed traffic of cargo at 150 km/h and passengers at 200 km/h.

What are the typical speeds of AC? Maximum 240 km/h, so including station stops and slower sections in mountains... would average 168 km/h, 2:30 Naples-Messina be likely?

Sal73x

February 18th, 2011, 10:43 AM

What are the typical speeds of AC? Maximum 240 km/h, so including station stops and slower sections in mountains... would average 168 km/h, 2:30 Naples-Messina be likely?

Yes, sounds about right
...actually,
considering that today there is only one train a day that makes it in 3:30 it sounds great!

Naples-Villa San Giovanni, 430km, most trains need just over 4 hours.
http://www.trenitalia.com/cms/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=3fdbe14114bc9110VgnVCM10000080a3e90aRCRD

ukiyo

February 21st, 2011, 04:22 PM

Berlusconi's sex trial threatens bridge deal
http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201102200286.html

A Japanese firm's contract to build the world's longest bridge is hanging in the balance as an underage prostitution trial threatens to end the political career of Italy's Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.

Tokyo-based IHI Corp. secured an 800-billion-yen ($9.63 billion) deal in 2006 to design and build a 5.07-kilometer-long suspension bridge over the Strait of Messina, linking Sicily with Italy's mainland.

The project was so huge that one executive of a maker of bridge materials said: "The world's inventory of steel cables could be empty for two years."

But IHI is now biting its nails over the political fate of Berlusconi, who has driven forward the project. In 2008, Berlusconi decided to revive the plan for a bridge to Sicily after his predecessor's administration dealt a heavy blow to IHI by freezing it.

The official order to begin construction was given by the Italian authorities in October 2009, and IHI completed detailed designs of the Messina Bridge late last year.

IHI expects to begin construction around 2013 after going through screening by local authorities. It is scheduled to be opened around 2018.

The distance between two towers at each end of the bridge will be 3.3 km, about 1.7 times the span of Akashi bridge, currently the world's longest, which connects Kobe and Awajishima island, both in Hyogo Prefecture.

The amount of steel used to build the mammoth construction is expected to total 320,000 tons, about 2.1 times that of Akashi bridge.

The idea of a bridge across the Strait of Messina is not new. Some historians say it was first mooted in ancient Rome.

But until now, the grand plan has been thwarted by a range of considerations, including its cost, the expected collapse of a shipping line across the strait, and fears of giving mafia in Sicily easy access to mainland Italy.

A full-fledged plan for the bridge emerged during the 1960s, but it had been postponed repeatedly for economic and other reasons.

The Italian government says it plans to recover the construction costs with toll fees, but many are skeptical over its financial viability.

The project may be put off again or even scrapped if its key political sponsor, Berlusconi, loses office. Berlusconi, 74, is facing charges of paying Karima el-Mahroug for sexual services when she was under 18 and abusing his office to help release her from police detention.

Debate has also erupted over the merits of the bridge: Whether it will provide a spark for southern Italy's development, as claimed, or just end up as a wasteful public works project.

Izumi Imoto, executive officer of IHI, said the company hopes that the project will go ahead.

"Public works projects in Japan are depressed, but Japan's bridge building technology is still among the best in the world," Imoto said. "We believe that there is still great demand for bridges around the world."

TRINACRIA FELIX

February 22nd, 2011, 06:27 PM

Suspensionstayed

February 22nd, 2011, 09:15 PM

Berlusconi's sex trial threatens bridge deal
http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201102200286.html

...IHI expects to begin construction around 2013 after going through screening by local authorities...

Oh, now it is 2013. I'm really for the first time starting to think that this project will never start!

Suburbanist

February 23rd, 2011, 01:17 PM

Oh, now it is 2013. I'm really for the first time starting to think that this project will never start!

2013 is the date for the bridge itself. Extensive (and lengthy) works on the approaches will start earlier than that, some already have.

Sal73x

February 23rd, 2011, 05:16 PM

Extensive (and lengthy) works on the approaches will start earlier than that, some already have.

some already have???
Where??? ...and don't say Cannitello because the site is empty.

Suburbanist

February 24th, 2011, 02:57 PM

some already have???
Where??? ...and don't say Cannitello because the site is empty.

The site is not "empty", it just lacks actual heavy construction equipments. Works are ongoing in geological surveys and monitoring, something that is paramount to the approach tunnels that will be excavated (mainly rail ones).

Sal73x

February 24th, 2011, 05:47 PM

Different opinions,

in my view the "geological surveys" can't be defined as "works".

Yardmaster

February 24th, 2011, 07:07 PM

It's the span that will be 3300m, right?

Sal73x

February 24th, 2011, 07:51 PM

It's the span that will be 3300m, right?

Yep.

TRINACRIA FELIX

February 25th, 2011, 05:13 PM

CANC

TRINACRIA FELIX

February 25th, 2011, 05:18 PM

The site is not "empty", it just lacks actual heavy construction equipments. Works are ongoing in geological surveys and monitoring, something that is paramount to the approach tunnels that will be excavated (mainly rail ones).
The geological surveys and soil samples, frozen or not, extracted in recent months are part of the final draft.

The environmental monitoring before, during and after construction of the bridge are part of the final draft.

The work of moving the railway line Cannitello (Villa San Giovanni) are preparatory to the construction of the bridge.

If you are interested I invite you to visit my Facebook page on the Bridge.

Sal73x

February 25th, 2011, 05:31 PM

The geological surveys and soil samples, frozen or not, extracted in recent months are part of the final draft.

The environmental monitoring before, during and after construction of the bridge are part of the final draft.

The work of moving the railway line Cannitello (Villa San Giovanni) are preparatory to the construction of the bridge.

Surveys, monitoring, preparatory ......no proper works have started.

TRINACRIA FELIX

February 25th, 2011, 05:58 PM

Surveys, monitoring, preparatory ......no proper works have started.
We agree that the construction of the bridge is not started but the steps leading to its implementation should go up.
Surveys, monitoring, preparatory are necessary steps which will lead to final approval and beginning the construction works.

brick84

March 12th, 2011, 12:22 AM

NEW WONDERFUL COSTRUCTION VIDEO ABOUT THE STRAIT OF MESSINA BRIDGE:

by Impregilo (www.impregilo.it)

First time:

sWT8_CAsEi8

Second time:

DHz-OsgHHJM

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

Suspensionstayed

March 13th, 2011, 03:06 AM

TRINACRIA FELIX

March 13th, 2011, 08:45 PM

Thanks for posting those videos brick84.

It's all about the bridge! Best version yet as there is no tunnel footage. Don't get me wrong; the tunnels are a significant element of the project, but to leap and jump across a 3.3km void is far better than to burrow underground. We'll all be there in the ground too soon enough.

If I understand you're talking about the highway and rail tunnel?
If you are interested you can see an old video (video section) on my Facebook page where the mole moves in the ground and build the tunnel.

Suspensionstayed

March 14th, 2011, 02:41 AM

If I understand you're talking about the highway and rail tunnel?
If you are interested you can see an old video (video section) on my Facebook page where the mole moves in the ground and build the tunnel.

No, what I'm saying is that I like the new videos since they do not waste time showing the tunnel construction.

Thanks for the offer anyway.

Strait City

March 19th, 2011, 04:17 AM

2013 is way too long! Will Berlusconi even live to that age?

Why are they starting on the approaches first? I say build the bridge first, like that they cant turn back if there is a change in power.

I can see it happnening now, they will build the approaches and tunnels and then they'll say the traffic is fine we dont need the bridge, let's keep the ferries.

I say build the bridge NOW!:bash:

Jim856796

March 19th, 2011, 12:05 PM

^^Yeah, screw the ferries, just put them out of service once the bridge is built.

brick84

April 7th, 2011, 04:03 PM

Bridge. The CEO confirmed the Strait of Messina Ciucci "gives the numbers": a work open to traffic by the end of 2017

According to Roman's manager, "achieved on time all the targets and economic benefits for the year 2010 amounted to EUR 110 million '

At the AGM held last March 30, Pietro Ciucci was appointed CEO by giving powers to manage the Company.
On this occasion, the manager Roman wanted to report on the status of the bridge, going over the most important and forward-looking unbalanced, but not too far away.
"The three-year period 2008 - 2010 - he said, was intense and decisive for the design of the bridge over the Straits of Messina, were put in place all the conditions for the resumption of operations after the unfair blockade that the work suffered in 2006 . Have therefore been achieved on time all the objectives we set ourselves. Since 2008, the year in which the Minister of Infrastructure Matteoli has given way to the bridge, the agreements were signed with companies involved in infrastructure construction, was launched a capital increase that complete coverage of 40 percent of the needs of the work and approved the agreement with its financial plan. "
"In December of 2009 - continues Suckling - were open construction sites of the first preparatory work of the bridge, the" variant of Cannitello to solve the interference with the future construction of the tower of the bridge, side of Calabria. The main activities in 2010 focused on the final design, execution of topographic surveys and geotechnical and environmental monitoring ante operam and its control of the various activities. In late December, in line with a time program, the doubler-General gave the Strait of Messina the final design of the bridge and over 40 kilometers of road and rail connections. This phase made it possible to enable significant economic impact, with a value of production for 2010 amounted to EUR 110 million placed directly on the market, as indicated in the approved budget in recent days by the shareholders of the Messina Strait. In fact the start of operations of the Contractor General, the Environmental Monitor and Project Management Consultant has involved more than 160 contracts with Italian companies, many of the Calabria and Sicily. "
"Thanks to preparatory work - continues in the Strait of Messina - we signed a few days ago with the City of Messina agreement on procedures and methodologies for the determination of compensation for expropriation, similar agreement will shortly be signed with Villa San Giovanni. We have reached important agreements for the management of building sites and sites of transfer of land that will affect the Sicilian side and part of the Calabrian, for which such arrangements must be completed in the coming days.
On the training front for the involvement of the local labor force, priority for the company Straits of Messina, was a plan which covers the basic and specialized workforce, professionals and academics. In this latter regard a specific agreement signed in 2010 with the Universities of Messina and Reggio Calabria has permission to start the first training workshops for graduates of two universities. "
"For the next steps - concluded the Roman manager - what will be a challenging and equally challenging path. We expect a quick approval of the final draft by the Company at the conclusion of a complex verification activities that, besides the technical area of the Strait of Messina, involving different stakeholders as appropriate to the complexity of the entity validator Rina , Project Management Consultant and Scientific Board. This will allow the subsequent initiation of the investigation by the Ministry of Infrastructure that will end with the approval of the CIPE. According to the time you read this procedure could be completed by summer, which will break ground by late 2011, early 2012. By 2011 will have completed the work of the "variant Cannitello. Furthermore, increasing in 2011 as part of project finance, the financial transaction will be structured, trading with the market and the subsequent resolution of the funding. It is expected to open to traffic by the end of 2017. "

Board of Stretto di Messina SpA for the years 2011-2013

Hon Joseph Zamberletti - President
Dr. Stefano Granati - Vice President
Dr. Pietro Ciucci - CEO
Engineer Massimo Averardi
Hon Professor Maurizio Ballistreri
Lawyer Maria Rosario Infantino
January Dr. Anthony Pappalardo
Dr. Peter Hercules Pellicanò
Dr. Folco Quilici
Hon Professor William Rositani
Engineer Maria Matteo Triglia
Auditors
Dr. Lucio Mariani - President
Dr. Anthony Lanza
Dr. Joseph Russo
Substitute: Dr. Paul Caron, Dr. Mario Fabrizio Condemi.

Source: tempostretto.it

brick84

April 26th, 2011, 07:38 PM

[Yet another positive side effect that would force the bridge to the city of Messina and Villa San Giovanni (RC), as well as Sicily and Calabria

:cheers:

In addition to the bridge over the Strait's more .... A black skyscraper

The proposal of the Earth by Earth Foundation Project, involves the construction of a structure inspired by the black monolith in Kubrick, which should represent the "Lighthouse of the Mediterranean"

The Strait of Messina seems to be a real source of inspiration for architects, engineers and "artists of mathematical calculation" eager to test their skills. The proposal, as ever, "whimsical", comes from the Earth by Earth Foundation Project concerns the construction of a skyscraper black, for the most romantic interpreted as a "Lighthouse of the Mediterranean", inspired by the black monolith from Kubrick, to be implemented as a complement the large infrastructure link.

The intention of the Foundation, the building should represent the union of the Euro-Mediterranean countries, united by a plurimillennial historical process, characterized by contacts, influences, exchanges of men
and things, elements of material and intellectual culture. The history of the Mare Nostrum, say the founders of the Foundation Project Earth, there is culture and Mediterranean people who have not contributed in some way.

The Unity of the Mediterranean, as far as no criterion was the bridge, would then be established by the lighthouse, like architecture recognition, belonging to the great Mediterranean, which also represents the diversity of defense against the approval. "Everyone - added the experts - then interpret according to its sensitivity this innovative architecture stand out in the middle of the sea: who will see it as a metaphor for God himself, who as a book of science, produced
of human intelligence, who still as a separate top and myth. " In this sense, they conclude, the project promoters, the black monolith is seen as something pure and abstract, but reassuring, "which guides, directs and accompanies the human being throughout its development."

Moving from the hypothesis, however, project to reality, preparations are underway for the organization of the new bridge that no event on May 14 to 16 will start from Piazza Cairoli. An appointment, however, specifies "No Network Bridge", is intended only to defend a territory from a work considered devastating, "but to ensure a future for the places where we live. The list of infrastructure useful to the citizens that we propose is indeed ' Another incomplete and the social role can still identify new needs and new requirements. What, however, it should be noted is that, faced with a proposal that mixes speculation in futility, our request is the essential, that is beautiful, this that is useful. "

In addition to the bridge over the Strait's more .... A black skyscraper

The proposal of the Earth by Earth Foundation Project, involves the construction of a structure inspired by the black monolith in Kubrick, which should represent the "Lighthouse of the Mediterranean"

The Strait of Messina seems to be a real source of inspiration for architects, engineers and "artists of mathematical calculation" eager to test their skills. The proposal, as ever, "whimsical", comes from the Earth by Earth Foundation Project concerns the construction of a skyscraper black, for the most romantic interpreted as a "Lighthouse of the Mediterranean", inspired by the black monolith from Kubrick, to be implemented as a complement the large infrastructure link.

The intention of the Foundation, the building should represent the union of the Euro-Mediterranean countries, united by a plurimillennial historical process, characterized by contacts, influences, exchanges of men
and things, elements of material and intellectual culture. The history of the Mare Nostrum, say the founders of the Foundation Project Earth, there is culture and Mediterranean people who have not contributed in some way.

The Unity of the Mediterranean, as far as no criterion was the bridge, would then be established by the lighthouse, like architecture recognition, belonging to the great Mediterranean, which also represents the diversity of defense against the approval. "Everyone - added the experts - then interpret according to its sensitivity this innovative architecture stand out in the middle of the sea: who will see it as a metaphor for God himself, who as a book of science, produced
of human intelligence, who still as a separate top and myth. " In this sense, they conclude, the project promoters, the black monolith is seen as something pure and abstract, but reassuring, "which guides, directs and accompanies the human being throughout its development."

Moving from the hypothesis, however, project to reality, preparations are underway for the organization of the new bridge that no event on May 14 to 16 will start from Piazza Cairoli. An appointment, however, specifies "No Network Bridge", is intended only to defend a territory from a work considered devastating, "but to ensure a future for the places where we live. The list of infrastructure useful to the citizens that we propose is indeed ' Another incomplete and the social role can still identify new needs and new requirements. What, however, it should be noted is that, faced with a proposal that mixes speculation in futility, our request is the essential, that is beautiful, this that is useful. "

http://www.tempostretto.it/8/index.php?location=articolo&id_articolo=50662

Strait City

May 6th, 2011, 11:55 AM

I love it !!! But will it be on the Calabrian or Sicilian side ? ;)

Will it look like this?
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8e4a3dd79e3d.jpg :cheers:

brick84

May 9th, 2011, 12:56 AM

^^

I think in Sicily.

But it is still only a hypothesis. One of the many positive side effects that could lead the Messina Bridge.
In fact, according to some unofficial sources, SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment http://www.seaworld.com/, would be affected would be informed and to areas near Messina.

Strait City

June 11th, 2011, 12:22 AM

Any news from our friends in Southern Italy.:)

Sal73x

June 11th, 2011, 03:29 PM

Oggi, cielo sereno e soleggiato, media di 25°, venti moderati da sud-ovest, mari leggermente mossi :lol:

Suspensionstayed

June 11th, 2011, 04:28 PM

Oggi, cielo sereno e soleggiato, media di 25°, venti moderati da sud-ovest, mari leggermente mossi :lol:

One translation...

Today, clear skies and sunny weather, average of 25 °, moderate winds from the south-west, seas slightly moved

Suspensionstayed

June 11th, 2011, 04:36 PM

There's been a recent video posted to a Strait of Messina Facebook page showing the realignment of a railway so that one of the towers can be built.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/STROM-BRIDGE-PONTE-SULLO-STRETTO-DI-MESSINA-STRAIT-OF-MESSINA-BRIDGE/375137272366#!/video/video.php?v=2090323104677&oid=375137272366&comments

Jim856796

June 11th, 2011, 10:23 PM

Why should there be a black skyscraper in the area of the Messina strait bridge? Any such plan for a skyscraper is proposed, and this will likely face massive opposition from local residents from the area.

Bricken Ridge

June 13th, 2011, 08:46 AM

I love it !!! But will it be on the Calabrian or Sicilian side ? ;)

Will it look like this?
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8e4a3dd79e3d.jpg :cheers:

That's the Millenium Hilton in New York City.

BTW, great project. i would love to drive from mainland italy to sicily and vice versa someday.

chornedsnorkack

June 13th, 2011, 12:26 PM

Oggi, cielo sereno e soleggiato, media di 25°, venti moderati da sud-ovest, mari leggermente mossi :lol:

How is the ballot count going?

What will be the position as to Berlusconi´s immunity if voters do not reach quorum? And what will be the position if quorum is reached and turns out to have affirmed his immunity?

Strait City

June 13th, 2011, 01:21 PM

One translation...

Today, clear skies and sunny weather, average of 25 °, moderate winds from the south-west, seas slightly moved

:lol: Thanks Sal73x. Very funny. guess my question wasnt specific enough :lol:

^^ Regarding the works at Cannitello.

This is very promising. The Canitello Project (realignment of the railway to make way for the Calabrian Pylon) is key to the project proper. Can you imagine the public outcry if the bridge project was not built and the railway diversion was built. Now that would be a waste of money. In a way this railway diversion almost guarantees the bridge project:cheers:

brick84

June 13th, 2011, 04:10 PM

^^

Yes, that's so.

And here is another video - by an italian trasmission and a journalist against the Messina bridge - where we can see better the propedeutic works in Cannitello (Calabria).

See after minute 1:00:

l6OHkEVfNt8

^^
I suppose the work will ended in 2011 and while the last 2 burocratic steps i hope finish early so we can start the works ON the pilons in beginning of 2012.

@ Strait City

follow the italian thread. ;)

Strait City

June 14th, 2011, 12:52 PM

brick84

June 14th, 2011, 06:19 PM

Thanks Brick. My Italian is limited that is why I come here. Good to hear the work is progressing well.

That journalist is just picking an easy target. Yes there is a need to fix all the other problems, but globally the bridge will fix these kinds of problems indirectly. Sicily will not be cut-off from the rest of Italy anymore and with the development there will come other opportunities.:cheers:

This journalist is, unfortunately, biased - for political reasons - contrary to the Bridge.
Furthermore, it is a catastrophic, an environmentalist who knows only to alarm and bases its programs (the now familiar in Italian) on fear of the people.
In fact, the Strait of Messina Bridge will improve the marine and coastal environment of the Straits and instead pretends to be an ecological disaster.

The "king of misinformation. "
Thank goodness there's the Internet!

Jim856796

June 14th, 2011, 09:42 PM

When is work on the bridge gonna start, next year. I don't want to see this project cancelled a 2nd time.

Sal73x

June 14th, 2011, 11:11 PM

....
In fact, the Strait of Messina Bridge will improve the marine and coastal environment of the Straits ....

??????????
please explain HOW the bridge will improve the marine environment?

thanks

brick84

June 15th, 2011, 12:30 AM

??????????
please explain HOW the bridge will improve the marine environment?

thanks

Of Course.

1)
(by projet)
the last draft:
- 25% less impact on the environment and landscape, compared to the 1992 Draft
- 12,750,000 tonnes of wood saved in 30 years compared to the ferry (indicator of energy balance and emissions of exhaust gases)
- environmental monitoring activities during the final design and throughout construction and management work.

Source: Anas

2) Reduced risk of collision in the Strait of Messina bustling and thus a lower risk for the ecosystem of the Strait.

3) elimination of rail ferry and therefore less environmental impact at Messina (the port is located in the city center) and Villa San Giovanni.

And, above all, less truck traffic and trucks through Messina! which is the city with the highest levels of smog island. (but is third in population).

I think you are according with me by this. :)

Suspensionstayed

June 15th, 2011, 01:54 AM

??????????
please explain HOW the bridge will improve the marine environment?

thanks

A vehicle using a bridge uses 1/6 as much energy than that required of a ferry plying the waters.

The bridge has no foundation in the strait. Ferrys criss-sross the strait all day.

arnau_Vic

June 17th, 2011, 04:32 PM

:drool:

brick84

June 19th, 2011, 12:22 AM

^^

Enjoy this costruction videos :):

part 1

sWT8_CAsEi8

part 2

DHz-OsgHHJM

brick84

June 19th, 2011, 12:26 AM

New step in the initiation of work on the bridge over the Strait.
The next week, approval of the Final Project by the Board of ANAS:

Completed the investigation on the final draft, ranging from approval
Sieved 8 000 processed with 40 miles of ground connections. The next Board of Directors will start to examine

Friday, June 17

The next week the Board of Directors of the Straits of Messina, on a proposal from the CEO Pietro Ciucci, will start to examine the results of the investigation conducted by the company in more than 8 thousand artifacts that make up the final design of the bridge over the Straits and 40 kilometers of ground connections. It is in fact completed the investigation prepared by the Strait of Messina on the final draft. The company, given the peculiarities of the work Ponte, has planned and organized a complex system of checks and controls, never realized in Italy, with the involvement of leading experts and the use of innovative methods. The examination by the Board of Directors will be completed with the approval of the project that is scheduled at a later meeting.

Besides the technical area of the Strait of Messina, took part in the trial process, a favorable opinion and validating the project, a series of subjects: Project Management Consultant (PMC) - Parsons - checked and monitored, with the most appropriate methods , all the variables of business processes and design techniques, in order to ensure compliance with the standards of quality, timing and expected costs of realization. The PMC is responsible for the direct technique in order to achieve the specified performance for the work, with particular regard to the work of the crossing. He thus played a technical design with independent use of resources, tools and other technologies and independent of those used by the general contractor Eurolink, the subject validator - Rina Express Ltd - As a body for technical checks on the third part, issued the final certificate of validable of the final project, as required by the regulatory framework, the Scientific Committee, an advisory body to support the Board of Directors of the Company which are allocated by law tasks including for technical advice and supervision of technical activities address design, has issued a favorable opinion.

The Expert Panel, a body to support the general direction of the Strait of Messina for the activities of high surveillance has issued favorable opinions respectively aeroelastic issues, seismic, geotechnical and environmental. As regards the methods of the complex investigation conducted, with particular reference to the management of a mole so demanding documents and construction documents and managing access to the four different parties involved in the supervision of such documents has been prepared for a sophisticated information system that says the company has ensured the maximum efficiency for the activities.

Source: tempostretto.it

Jim856796

June 19th, 2011, 05:52 AM

All right, what processes are left before the construction of the Messina Bridge officially begins?

brick84

June 23rd, 2011, 12:47 PM

All right, what processes are left before the construction of the Messina Bridge officially begins?

^^
Next week, the Straits of Messina SpA will approve the project.
On July 7 we re meet with local authorities to discuss any compensation for work related to bridge.
Some say that then you will 'clean' (but we have strong doubts about this), an EIA (Environmental Impact Assessment) for the project DefInt. But we have no certainty.

Finally, and most importantly, the ball will go to the Government (in autumn, almost certainly) for approval of the CIPE (Interministerial Committee for Economic Planning) to approve the project and will finally give the green light (?) to the final construction of the bridge over the tight. Which is not true, however, before the end of 2011/start 2012.

brick84

June 23rd, 2011, 12:52 PM

STRAIT BRIDGE: FINAL PROJECT LAUNCHED IN REVIEW BOARD
Rome - Pietro Ciucci to "come to a very ambitious goal, the final draft confirms all the settings and techniques of the pre-construction costs. The great vital and active cooperation with the Territory ".

Rome - The Board of Directors of Stretto di Messina has begun consideration of the final design of the bridge over the Strait of Messina and 40 km of road and rail connections to the ground. In fact, long session yesterday were presented with the technical, environmental and commitment trial process established by the Company, which involved leading experts and influential persons organized in a complex system. The Council examined the opinions for and validation of the final plan expressed by those who have participated in this investigation: technical area of the Strait of Messina; Project Management Consultant (PMC), Parsons; Subject Validator, Check Rina; Scientific Committee; Expert Panel.

"It was a very important step - on the occasion said Pietro Ciucci, CEO of Messina Strait. The final design work, and represents the achievement of a goal is very ambitious and has also established the incentive to structure and develop processes of verification, control, validation, never made first in Italy in the design of public works. It 'a result even more significant when one considers that the final draft prepared by the General Contractor Eurolink has confirmed all the technical set-up and construction costs of the preliminary draft prepared by the Strait of Messina in 2003 and approved by CIPE. This confirms, net of new works covered in the project - from the local authorities - and the recent adoption of legislation on construction, demonstrates the high level of preliminary design carried out by the Strait of Messina. "

The final design, shown yesterday at the Council, it includes major new works approved by the municipalities affected by the construction of the bridge, such as the system of intermediate train stops between Reggio and Messina, which allows the implementation of a modern public transportation system of the Strait, representing an added value for the Territory. Also welcome, also for the seismic safety of the works on the ground, the new Consolidated Construction, occurring after the preliminary design. "In preparing the final design - said Ciucci - has also been instrumental in the large and active cooperation with the Territory and in particular the towns of Messina and Villa San Giovanni and the respective provinces. We have completed, in full agreement with local authorities, the complex planning of construction site work with the overall objective of identifying and sharing logistical choices which have the least possible impact on local roads and make sure that all areas of the site and storage were designed with a view to upgrading them so that they are usable, the conclusion of the work, for the population.

Still in full agreement with the Territory we have achieved the objective of making available to espropriandi on both sides of a path clear, open, facilitated and supervised mediation and that favors the comparison between the parties to reach consensual agreements. All aimed at early identification of just compensation in a reasonable timeframe to find other housing solutions or production ". Regarding the next steps Pietro Ciucci said that: "The final design review by the Council will conclude with the presentation of economic and financial aspects of the work, which will take place at the next Council meeting to be convened in short ".

http://www.agvnews.it/articolo.php?Id=1382101

July 12th, 2011, 02:29 AM

great project, hope it will get build without any future problems :cheers:

Sal73x

July 12th, 2011, 02:55 AM

^^
Not so sure it will ever be built.
The new EU Transport Commissioner Siim Kallas wants to scrap the Berlin-Palermo Project 1 (including the Bridge).

at the moment it's only a proposal but who knows where it will go....

Qtya

July 21st, 2011, 03:36 PM

What's gonna' happen to this development?

Jim856796

July 22nd, 2011, 02:44 AM

I hate the new EU transport commissioner. we want this bridge built within this decade.

Roltel

July 22nd, 2011, 02:49 AM

I hate the new EU transport commissioner. we want this bridge built within this decade.

Who's the royal "We" Jim - you and who else? God?

Jim856796

July 22nd, 2011, 08:08 AM

^^Sir, can't you leave me alone, please?

On topic, Whether the new EU transport commissioner likes it or not, the Messina Strait Bridge must be built within this decade.

Roltel

July 22nd, 2011, 08:21 AM

^^Sir, can't you leave me alone, please?

On topic, Whether the new EU transport commissioner likes it or not, the Messina Strait Bridge must be built within this decade.

But don't you enjoy engaging in debate and conversation? That's what a forum like this is for - the whole point is to post opinions and get feedback. It's not a venue to post opinins and then try to ban anybody from commenting who doesn't agree with you.

Anyway, on topic, I'm sure the EU commissioner's not doing it just to annoy you. There's probably a very good reason - like the cost is just too much to justify it being done immediately. Sicily has survived millennia without having a bridge to the Italian mainland. I'm sure it's not going to sink into the sea if it has to go another decade without one, however nice a notion it may be to you. It's an easy call for you to kake when you think the idea of a big bridge would be cool and it's not your tax dollars that are paying for it. The average Italian or European tax payer may think differently, however. And it's them it's going to affect, and hopefully benefit, more than you.

It seems to be more a problem with your ability to handle any questioning or challenging of your opinions, rather than with the EU Traffic Commissioner.

Jim856796

July 22nd, 2011, 09:06 AM

^^A forum is also not a venue for solely stalking other users, either, Roltel.

Roltel

July 22nd, 2011, 09:42 AM

^^A forum is also not a venue for solely stalking other users, either, Roltel.

Well, I'm quite happy to discuss it. Why MUST it be built now?

brick84

July 22nd, 2011, 11:30 AM

I hate the new EU transport commissioner. we want this bridge built within this decade.

^^Sir, can't you leave me alone, please?

On topic, Whether the new EU transport commissioner likes it or not, the Messina Strait Bridge must be built within this decade.

^^
Just wait.
It is not the last word. :)

When I read the hypothesis given by Siim Kallas not to consider the Berlin-Palermo TEN Corridor as a priority, and instead opt for the Helsinki-Malta (via Bari (Puglia)) effectively excluding Sicily and Calabria, I am outraged at the same way.
At the same time, have raised controversy and protests from the local political class (the first President of the Region of Sicily).

Apart from the fact that it was still only a hypothesis (nothing official - and, as we know, the EU is shaking even the decision to save Greece from the default), after a few dry days came the following denial by the EU:

Bridge over the Straits, no no to EU final
Wednesday, July 20,

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The plan of priority projects for the European Transport Network presented by the EU Commission in June should not be considered final, and no final decision has been taken on the part of the corridor that includes the bridge over the Messina Strait.

Said Helen Kearns, spokeswoman of EU Commissioner Siim Kallas of Transportation during a press conference in Brussels.

"The new proposals on priority projects for the European transport networks are currently preliminary and subject to change. A proposal will be presented in September," said the Kearns who were asked what were the choices behind the new European plan to provides for the exclusion of Gioia Tauro and the bridge over the Strait of Messina from the plane of the most urgent infrastructure.

The new priority corridor from Berlin to Southern Italy proposed by the Commission in late June it provides a link between Naples and Bari and Bari to Malta, excluding Calabria and Sicily from the networks and the previous EU priority corridor Berlin-Palermo.

http://borsaitaliana.it.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idITMIE76J0DJ20110720

So we must anyway wait the european decisione that will take in September.

TEN Corridor in Italy
http://www.buongiornoslovacchia.sk/wp-content/uploads/corridoi.jpg

Suspensionstayed

July 23rd, 2011, 01:41 AM

All the time and money wasted studying and planning these projects and there is nothing to show for it. No improvements at a high expense just to keep the pencil pushers employed

TRINACRIA FELIX

July 24th, 2011, 11:29 AM

We speak of hypotheses and the new document will be discussed at the European headquarters in September.

This is the result of indecision in Italian politics and bear responsibility for those that have hampered the construction of the bridge.
Nothing happens by chance. The villain of the project to get the railway AV/AC from Naples to Bari excluding Calabria and Sicily is due to very specific political responsibilities.

Who has proposed this new plan is the EU commissioner for Transport is the Estonian Siim Kallas that is a bureaucrat who makes the interests of a small Estonia with one million inhabitants and then redesigned an "new corridor one" from Kelsinki (Finland is next to 'Estonia) arrives in Naples to Bari hijacks the train and then via high capacity ferries arrive in Malta.

The design of the bridge is on the way to the last steps after being validated by the Italian and foreign authorities .

brick84

July 27th, 2011, 02:29 PM

Good news! :cheers:

Ciucci: July 29 CDA of Anas ok to final design
"And 'logical Corridor 1 arrivals in Palermo"

And 'the go-ahead to the upcoming final design for the bridge over the Messina Strait. The CEO said the company's Strait of Messina, Pietro Ciucci, on the sidelines of the press conference for the presentation of the initiatives on exodus summer 2011. "We are very forward, July 29 the board of directors of the company will give the go ahead to the final draft," said a conversation with reporters who asked if the indication of the EU Commission on the course of a corridor from Berlin to Palermo, initially planned could have an impact on construction of the bridge. "It seems that is not a final decision as the Commission itself has said - said Ciucci - our government has confirmed that it has made efforts since the Corridor 1 will continue to Palermo which is logical."

source: http://economia.virgilio.it/notizie/...,30819181.html

27/07/11
TAV: MATTEOLI (Minister), HALL MUST APPLY 1 Berlin-Palermo

(ASCA) - Roma, 27 Jul - There is no alternative to the fact that the Corridor 1, which is the trans-European high speed ', come from Berlin to Palermo. He said the Minister of Infrastructure and Transport, Matteoli, on the possibility 'that the Corridor 1 and arrivals from Berlin to Naples, so cut' across the South.

Corridor 1''- said Matteoli - must continue to relate to Berlin to Palermo. There may be other alternatives to this.''Even the CEO of the company 'Stretto di Messina, Pietro Ciucci, and you' confidante said that the Corridor 1 will come 'to Palermo.

That''the European Commission - said Ciucci - not 'the final decision. The government has confirmed the initiative so that 'the Corridor 1 does not end but continues to Naples to Palermo, thus reaffirming' the strategic importance 'of the bridge over the Strait of Messina.''

brick84

July 30th, 2011, 12:41 AM

Start of the final design of the bridge on the Messina Strait. The Matteoli announces: "The work will start in 2012"

Green light to the final project for the construction of the bridge on the Messina Strait. This was announced by the Minister of Infrastructure, Matteoli, this morning attended the meeting of the board of the company 'Stretto di Messina.

"The Board of Directors of the company 'Stretto di Messina has approved the final project for the construction of the bridge over the Strait,''Matteoli said during the presentation of the agreement for the start of work on the third pass of the Jupiters. As Matteoli said,''the beginning of the work and 'scheduled for December 2012 with completion in 2019.''

Minister Matteoli and 'back then, on the assumption of a ventilated in the Community' cut 'of the Berlin-Palermo corridor 1, from Naples, instead of heading for Sicily, would be diverted to Bari and Lecce, thus excluding' works like the bridge on the Messina Strait.

We are''quiet'', assured the charge of the department of Porta Pia. ''The European Union can not 'make it' is not that the corridor 1 Berlin-Palermo and Italy is not prepared to change to the corridor 1. The EU commissioner, Siim Kallas, denied that it was already 'taken a decision. He will speak 'in September.'' The question, and 'also spoke to the Italian State Railways, Mauro Moretti.

''We have asked that in addition to the maintenance of the corridor up in Palermo, add the Naples-Bari-Lecce, as North is integrated the Bologna-Milan,''Moretti said. Moreover, he added,''we asked to extend the Corridor 24 from Genoa to Ventimiglia, as France has asked from Marseille to Nice. Europe France has said it is' and we said no. Why'?''. On this''discussion and 'in progress. It 'important that governments do,''he said.

brick84

July 30th, 2011, 12:43 AM

Bridge over the Strait, the situation

http://www.tmnews.it/web/images/602-0-20110729_183020_27963920.jpg

http://www.lettera43.it/upload/images/07_2011/ponte-stretto-messina-110729185102_medium.jpg

New milestone for the Messina Strait Bridge. To mark a new step forward, and 'was now the board of directors of the Strait of Messina who has completed the approval process, which began in the middle' last June, the final design work and 40 km of road and rail connections to the ground . Log in so 'live in the realization phase in view of the yards in the middle' of 2012 with the aim of completing work at the end of 2018.

The total investment

rises from 6.3 billion to 8.5 billion expected: to drive up costs have been some variations to the project as the construction of the subway system for the entire area of the Strait. Just 'in the coming days, said chief executive Pietro Ciucci, the company' will forward the Strait of Messina 'documentation in view of the Conference of Services, among others, the Ministry of Infrastructures and Transport, the Ministry of 'and the Environment for Cultural Heritage, as well as' to Sicily and Calabria regions and local authorities concerned, so by starting 'the procedure prescribed by law objective that will end' with the approval of the final design by the CIPE. The current timing for the realization of the expected completion in December 2011 preparatory work station to work Cannitello; in February 2012, the approval of the CIPE and contextual launch tender for the procurement of funding.

The next step involves the design and execution of major shipyards open from half 'of next year. And Satisfaction 'was expressed by Minister of Infrastructure, Matteoli, who today also attended the meeting of the board. And'''another important step towards the realization of a work unique in the world for its technical characteristics and infrastructure, the Government considers a priority''' says the minister, thanking the leaders of the Straits of Messina, the 'to President Giuseppe Ciucci and Zamberletti.

It speaks of ''major milestone''Ciucci, illustrating the technical design. The numerous reports on more than 8,000 construction documents have allowed the board of directors have to verify the confirmation of all the technical settings of the preliminary draft prepared by the Strait of Messina in 2003 and approved by CIPE. The confirmation of the''technical settings - said Ciucci - is a major achievement and demonstrates the high level of preliminary design carried out by the Strait of Messina.''

The final draft prepared by the general contractor Eurolink fully incorporates the requirements set forth by the CIPE resolution approving the preliminary project includes new works required local authorities to improve the integration between the bridge and the area, as well as' adaptations to the rules occurring design techniques and optimizations. The board took note of the outcome of complex technical appraisal prepared by the Strait of Messina for the verification and validation of the final project.

It is''- says the director general of the Straits of Messina Giuseppe Fiammenghi - an activity 'first ever held in Italy in the design of public works that involved more than the technical area of the Strait of Messina, the Project Management Consultant (Pmc) Parsons, the subject validator Rina Check Srl independent technical inspection body, the Scientific Committee and the expert panel composed of top experts in the field.''

The new work aimed at better integration of the bridge with the railway land include a variation on the Sicilian side, which involves moving the new station at Messina by Maregrosso Gazzi and the consequent extension, for about 3 km in tunnels, rail links. This work allows the redevelopment of the areas currently occupied by the railway facilities for the recovery of an important area waterfront Messina. In addition, there are three underground railway stations to realize inter-urban system between Messina and Reggio Calabria, is serving the metro area of over 400,000 inhabitants of the Straits of Messina, moving upstream side of the motorway route at Sicily City sports facilities 'location in the University' Annunziata, the new area management (Calabria side) designed by Libeskind, an architectural intervention that opens up new scenarios of absolute importance not only for the area of multifunctional business center of the bridge, intended to host the exhibition facilities, commercial, hotel and congress, but also for the long beach of Villa San Giovanni. In terms of the business plan, sees the work to increase the amount of total investment.

Excluding the''new works - Pacifiers-specific cost of the project to date is substantially unchanged from those estimated in the preliminary draft. The total investment envisaged in the financial plan is updated from 6.3000000000 to 8.5000000000. The higher costs have to be related to variations necessitated by technical standards have arisen, to variants that have enriched the project as the construction of the subway system for the entire area of the Strait, the recovery of large areas of waterfront and the construction of directional area with the Libeskind project will become 'a meeting point of cultures and religions in the middle of the Mediterranean''.

The financial plan approved today by the board confirms, Ciucci says,''the objective of increasing state contributions and ensure both the most 'extensive involvement of individuals in the project.'' The outline of the project financing plan to collect the financial markets over 4 billion euros, so 'as envisaged in the 2009 plan. As part of the financial plan will identify the necessary resources to cover needs more graduates the second stage of the project. Emphasis is then placed on environmental issues and territory.

The environmental monitoring plan prepared by the company 'covers an area of 78 km2, or about 20 times greater than that affected by the works and covers 1,600 km2 of marine area. It is spread through a network of about 2000 stations (air monitoring stations, water monitoring wells, inclinometers probes for control of the territory geomorphology, etc..) Dedicated to the constant monitoring of environmental components 14 whose results are already 'available to the competent authorities 'and agencies. It 'was also illustrates the update of the Environmental Impact Study (EIS) conducted by comparing the preliminary draft and the final. By comparison, refers to the company ', and' showed an overall environmental improvement both in terms of design (works of art, ranging plans, building site) that the more 'proper management operational (technical and construction technology, environmental management system, monitoring project) whose settings were shared with the signing of agreements with the municipalities concerned.
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brick84

July 30th, 2011, 04:32 PM

Some changes were made to the final design.

The height of the pylons has increased from 382.60 meters to 399 meters!

Were also popular images of the Management Centre which will be designed by architect Daniel Libekind:

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd440/brick84/phoca_thumb_l_centr_direz_cv03immaginebellissimaCentroDirezionale.jpg
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd440/brick84/phoca_thumb_l_centr_direz_c01CentroDirezionale2.jpg

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd440/brick84/phoca_thumb_l_7areediesazionebellissima.jpg
*da: http://www.projectmate.com/sdm/ - all rights reserved

The next steps to start the works on the bridge (propedeutic works are just started) are:

December 2011 completion of the work preparatory work station in Cannitello;
February 2012 approval of the CIPE and contextual launch tender for the procurement of financing;
engineering design and construction of the main opening from the middle of 2012;
completion in late 2018. (DLT)

Strait City

August 1st, 2011, 08:55 AM

Wow!!! These are new photomontages!!!:cheers:

The control centre looks like a 5 star resort.:nuts:

Suspensionstayed

August 3rd, 2011, 12:15 AM

Some changes were made to the final design.

The height of the pylons has increased from 382.60 meters to 399 meters!

I wonder if the additional tower / pylon height is due to the main cables not sagging all the way to the roadway at midspan. I see in more recent pictures of this bridge the main cables are not immediately above roadway / deck at midspan as is typical. Instead there appears to be considerable distance from the deck at midspan to the main cables. Perhaps this is a counter terrorism measure to eliminate damage to the vital main cables in case of a bomb from a motor vehicle. Any additional space between the deck and main cables would have to be offset by additional tower / pylon height to keep the same cable sag to span ratio.

brick84

August 3rd, 2011, 02:30 PM

^^

The reason why they raised the height of the pylons from 383 to 399 meters is to "tune the system to suspend the work and the paving of the bridge."

Bu this will involve some slight deterioration for trains passing across the bridge. (so I've been told)

Gaeus

August 4th, 2011, 06:11 AM

OMG! I can't believe they got the money to make this bridge? I thought Italy is in heavy debt right now. It's a good project though but I'm hoping this project will not be "the curse" of crisis or the "the origin" of default in this history books of Italy.

Attus

August 4th, 2011, 02:19 PM

OMG! I can't believe they got the money to make this bridge?
You're right, they don't. That's why Italy expects EU to pay the costs.

TRINACRIA FELIX

August 5th, 2011, 11:05 AM

You're right, they don't. That's why Italy expects EU to pay the costs.
It is not correct. The EU could finance the bridge with only a 10-15% of the cost of the work.
Capital necessary to finance the work:
The 40% is already available (1.3 billion approved by CIPE on 6/3/2009 and 1.2 billion of equity capital provided by the Strait of Messina).
The remainder, 60%, will be implemented on national and international markets according to the diagram of a typical project financing. Republic of China has already signaled its high interest and, in particular the "China Development Bank," main contact for the realization of the "Big Infrastructure in Sicily", as they have also expressed interest in major U.S. investors, many of Italian origin.

gramercy

August 5th, 2011, 03:34 PM

brick84

August 5th, 2011, 09:52 PM

people crossing the strait should pay for it, the only question is who will forward the money and how long will the return take

the bridge should last for at least 200 years, im sure after the first 40-60 years it will turn a profit for 140-160 years

You're right, it is.
Granting increased from 30 to 60 years.

For transit to the trains on the bridge, the companies that run trains will pay € 100 million the first year, and then for subsequent years, the toll will increase in proportion to the rate of inflation.

So in theory even with the passage of trains only recover more than € 1 billion in the first 10 years. 2 billion in the first 20 years and so forth. And that, in theory, only with the passage of trains!

But not only! You know that every year the ferry service to the Italian coast of the Strait losses of around € 150 million (to ensure the public ferry). So, basically, to earn more than individuals, the Italian state, making the trains crossing the bridge, which now will save a lot of money lost.
(because they lose less people / goods travel by train to and from Sicily, since it takes about 2 hours to cross the Strait of 3km!)

brick84

August 5th, 2011, 10:06 PM

how many people cross the strait / day now?

The bridge is mostly used to all the trucks and trains crossing the strait.

One thing: the port of Messina is the first Italian port for the number of passengers (and the eighth in Europe). Each year the number of passengers is about 10 million people (or 9.6 to 9.8)

The commuters between Messina (Sicily) and Reggio C. (Calabria) are about 10.000 people. But the bridge will be mainly for them (even if it is built a subway line from one bank to another) because they continue to use, weather permitting, the hydrofoils to the close.

http://www.meteoweb.it/images/trasporti/1.jpg

http://trasportisullostretto.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/aliscafo-pendolari-reggio.jpg?w=240&h=160

gramercy

August 6th, 2011, 08:55 AM

^^ if the bridge will be govt. money, i think they would be within their rights to shut down the ferries for a modest amount of compensation and taking the employees from ferries and offering them a job in the maintenance of the bridge

brick84

August 10th, 2011, 10:05 PM

Enjoy this new video by the Stretto di Messina S.p.A (by Marco Baggifi):

http://vimeo.com/27049869#signin

Suspensionstayed

August 11th, 2011, 11:08 AM

Enjoy this new video by the Stretto di Messina S.p.A (by Marco Baggifi):

http://vimeo.com/27049869#signin

I'm unable to watch it. It is showing to be a password protected video. I joined Vimeo and still unable to view it. :(

brick84

August 11th, 2011, 05:17 PM

I'm unable to watch it. It is showing to be a password protected video. I joined Vimeo and still unable to view it. :(

Sorry,
try to scribe "stampa" and "stampa".

Try also here: http://www.projectmate.com/sdm/ ('Nome utente' and 'Password' = stampa)

Let me know.

TRINACRIA FELIX

August 11th, 2011, 10:34 PM

This is the new short video of the Strait of Messina company presented to the press July 29, 2011. I hope soon to have the full one.

kCWOLV0PgPU

This however is my video made it in the exhibition area of the Strait of Messina companies in the first day of opening of the Messina Fair.

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Suspensionstayed

August 11th, 2011, 11:14 PM

Sorry,
try to scribe "stampa" and "stampa".

Try also here: http://www.projectmate.com/sdm/ ('Nome utente' and 'Password' = stampa)

Let me know.

Thank you, it worked. I see it is the same video as Trinacria Felix first video.

I found the fly through interesting in that it took ~7 seconds starting at 00:52 to go from mid span to a tower, or half way across the bridge. This works out to ~850 kph.

I think its safe to assume the actual driving speed will be ~100 kph. In that case it would take as long as the entire 01:21 video to get from one tower to the other.

TRINACRIA FELIX

August 19th, 2011, 08:50 AM

Here are some other graphic simulations!

http://i51.tinypic.com/wlr6sj.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/sv07k6.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/2n6rzwj.jpg

Strait City

August 19th, 2011, 11:35 PM

TRINACRIA FELIX

August 20th, 2011, 03:21 PM

Wow! How much would one of those houses in the foreground cost? There must be a boom in real-estate in the area!

Also, does the subway go over the bridge or do u have to change to heavy rail to get over the bridge? Do someone have a map of the subway and the proposed stations?

You can see in the first picture the mobility system integrated area of the Strait of Messina. The red line indicates the current light railway (we call it metroferrovia) from Giampilieri to Messina Central Station.
The yellow line indicates the new metro line (underground of the strait) that will start from the old station of Messina (Messina Centrale) and with stations Europa, Annunziata and Papardo will arrive to the airport of Reggio Calabria, serving a population of over 500,000 inhabitants.

http://i55.tinypic.com/n3kb7.jpg

PROPOSED STATIONS MAPS

SUBWAY STATION PAPARDO SIGNED WITH SS1

http://i51.tinypic.com/6ej6zn.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/2udvpqt.jpg

2) SUBWAY STATION ANNUNZIATA SIGNED WITH SS2

http://i55.tinypic.com/5jzkgm.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/mw4j6g.jpg

3) SUBWAY STATION EUROPA SIGNED WITH SS3

http://i54.tinypic.com/fnxwup.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2i8exy8.jpg

NEW STATION OF MESSINA

http://i54.tinypic.com/33xkp4w.jpg

brick84

August 20th, 2011, 03:41 PM

edit

TRINACRIA FELIX

August 21st, 2011, 05:37 PM

HERE ARE TWO BEAUTIFUL WATERCOLORS!

http://i54.tinypic.com/2qn2zuu.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2cmm78h.jpg

TRINACRIA FELIX

August 30th, 2011, 09:06 PM

NEW ROADMAP TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE STRAIT OF MESSINA BRIDGE!

Next week will be published the list of expropriation on national and local newspapers for the declaration of public interest, the expropriation of the project will be processed deposited with the General Contractor and the Regions. Anyone interested can send within 60 days from the date of the project and their comments will be evaluated for subsequent determinations.
Second step by the end of the month of September the final draft would be forwarded to the Ministry of Infrastructure and all government and central agencies and local governments should express their views within the competence of the Conference of Services to be held in Rome and will be completed within 60 days. Then switching to C.I.P.E. ......
http://www.gds.it/gds/multimedia/home/gdsid/170037/

Viriatuus

August 31st, 2011, 10:05 PM

Seing the video it seems that the bridge will carry a 2x2 motorway and a duplicated railway line. Shouldn't be more ambitious? At least a 2x3 motorway and a quadraplicated railway?

TRINACRIA FELIX

August 31st, 2011, 11:32 PM

Seing the video it seems that the bridge will carry a 2x2 motorway and a duplicated railway line. Shouldn't be more ambitious? At least a 2x3 motorway and a quadraplicated railway?
More ambitious? As you can see the section of the deck has a width of 60 meters and the weight of the entire superstructure is of 344,000 tons. By adding more weight to other highways lines and two railway tracks the bridge would not hold the weight.
The two support wires have a diameter of 1.24 meters each one designed to withstand a certain weight.

http://i55.tinypic.com/win97s.jpg

As you can see the empty spaces aerodynamic wing profile makes it the wind that passes between the deck making it more stable.

http://i55.tinypic.com/14war68.jpghttp://i53.tinypic.com/20z8bo4.jpg

Viriatuus

September 3rd, 2011, 12:38 AM

So what is the traffic forecasts of the motorway and the number and type of trains that are expected to use the bridge on a daily basis? Say for the next 30/40 years?

czm3

September 4th, 2011, 08:50 AM

If the Italians build this, they definitely ought to get kicked out of the eurozone..... What a waste!

TRINACRIA FELIX

September 4th, 2011, 02:39 PM

If the Italians build this, they definitely ought to get kicked out of the eurozone..... What a waste!
But at least you know what you're talking about? Waste?
The Strait of Messina Bridge is funded for 40%, 2.5 billion Euro, from the Italian State and the rest in Project Financing.
Basically, the bridge at the Italian State cost 3 times less than the new metro line being built in Rome!

Deadeye Reloaded

September 4th, 2011, 07:59 PM

Go Italia! :banana:

I am proud that some of my tax money goes through the EU to this project! :okay:

solchante

September 7th, 2011, 12:17 AM

^^

+1

cant wait

Koen Acacia

September 7th, 2011, 08:42 AM

If the Italians build this, they definitely ought to get kicked out of the eurozone..... What a waste!

2.5 Billion euro is a bit more than ten percent of what the US spends on airco in Afghanistan.
This is a great project, let them build it!

brick84

September 7th, 2011, 10:09 PM

^^

And then...

40.000 people will work at the bridge...

(it's just one)

brick84

September 7th, 2011, 10:12 PM

Messina Bridge: tomorrow published the draft expropriation

Rome, 07 Sep - Take tomorrow procedure whose purpose is to 'Declaration of public utility''of the final design of the bridge over the Strait of Messina, with the publication of the expropriation of the project and its warning to the public. The company announced the 'Straits of Messina, noting that the commencement of the proceeding is "in line with the planned schedule" and that "the procedure will be' held under the terms of the law, the general contractor Eurolink in the name and on behalf of Strait of Messina. The papers will be available to the public expropriation for 60 days. " The notice on the notice of initiation of the proceedings, that tomorrow will be 'published in national and local newspapers, "contains detailed directions on how' by which interested parties may view the elaborate expropriation. In order to facilitate the widest dissemination and consultation by the public, a notice to be prepared and published on the website Eurolink: www.eurolinkpdm.it ". "The Strait of Messina - said to. D. Pietro Ciucci - has always paid great attention to the definition of best practices that apply to expropriations. For this reason, in full agreement with the territory we wanted to make available on both espropriandi the coast path clear, open, facilitated and monitored. With advance approval by the CIPE than the final project and the resulting "declaration of public utilities '" which will give' start to the expropriations, we have identified a path that favors mediation and discussion between the parties to reach consensual agreements with each expropriated. All this will have 'to be aimed at early identification of just compensation in a reasonable timeframe to find other housing solutions or production ". As for the overall timing, the Strait of Messina to know that "by the end of September will forward 'final draft to the Ministry of Infrastructure and all central government departments and agencies and local governments should express their views within the competence of the Conference services. Subsequently, the Ministry of Infrastructure will be able 'to convene and open the conference services that will have' concluded within 60 days. Following this ', the technical mission of the ministry will have to' complete the investigation on the final draft to be circulated to the CIPE . With the approval of the final design of the CIPE and the resulting "Declaration of Public Utilities'" are to start expropriation. "

http://www.corriere.it/notizie-ultim...00244949.shtml

Strait City

September 8th, 2011, 09:10 AM

More ambitious? As you can see the section of the deck has a width of 60 meters and the weight of the entire superstructure is of 344,000 tons. By adding more weight to other highways lines and two railway tracks the bridge would not hold the weight.
The two support wires have a diameter of 1.24 meters each one designed to withstand a certain weight.

http://i55.tinypic.com/win97s.jpg

As you can see the empty spaces aerodynamic wing profile makes it the wind that passes between the deck making it more stable.

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^^ but it already looks like there is 2 x 3 lanes . Or is that a breakdown lane? I guess they can always convert it to three lanes in the future.

Sal73x

September 8th, 2011, 02:13 PM

^^ but it already looks like there is 2 x 3 lanes . Or is that a breakdown lane? I guess they can always convert it to three lanes in the future.

It is a "hard-shoulder" for emergencies and I guess, if needed, it could be occasionaly used as a third lane.

Question: Will they ever need a 3rd lane? I seriously doubt it.

gramercy

September 8th, 2011, 02:34 PM

there will always be excess capacity on the rails

ChrisZwolle

September 8th, 2011, 05:26 PM

You don't want narrow lanes on bridges like that due to crosswinds. So full shoulders are urgently needed.

jomateix

September 11th, 2011, 03:20 AM

But at least you know what you're talking about? Waste?
The Strait of Messina Bridge is funded for 40%, 2.5 billion Euro, from the Italian State and the rest in Project Financing.
Basically, the bridge at the Italian State cost 3 times less than the new metro line being built in Rome!

And what about using these funds to pay the humongous italian debt? I'm not trolling, sincerely! I understand that Sicily is very populated, but still an island. Or is projected another bridge to Tunisia from there? The bathymetry for that is favorable:

http://www.lynx-info.com/images/gis-tunisia/tunisia.jpg

http://www.halcrow.com/PageFiles/642/image008_512.jpg

gramercy

September 11th, 2011, 12:00 PM

that should probably be a tunnel

TRINACRIA FELIX

September 11th, 2011, 03:26 PM

And what about using these funds to pay the humongous italian debt? I'm not trolling, sincerely! I understand that Sicily is very populated, but still an island. Or is projected another bridge to Tunisia from there? The bathymetry for that is favorable:

http://www.lynx-info.com/images/gis-tunisia/tunisia.jpg

http://www.halcrow.com/PageFiles/642/image008_512.jpg

I never thought that you are a troll! To find the money to lower the public debt should act on the waste of public money and not giving up the infrastructure that benefit the whole country. Sicily is an island with more than 5 million inhabitants and is not a simple island.
Sicily for its centrality in the Mediterranean could become the port in the Mediterranean intercepting trade routes from the African countries and the Far East.
Unfortunately, for not having adequate infrastructure we have been very adversely affected.
But things are changing, and between these facilities is the bridge over the Strait of Messina, I remind everyone, is primarily a railway bridge.

TRINACRIA FELIX

September 11th, 2011, 03:31 PM

These are the places that will be used to unload the material from the construction of the Messina Strait Bridge.

http://i51.tinypic.com/1o6t80.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/35hiesw.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/2liud7l.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/dm7lt1.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/2yuy2rd.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/5nnbrb.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/2vshz13.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/2rzxhu1.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/2d01l6b.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/2mwsfo4.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/2l7slf.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/1zfk6fd.jpg

brick84

September 12th, 2011, 03:30 PM

And what about using these funds to pay the humongous italian debt? I'm not trolling, sincerely! I understand that Sicily is very populated, but still an island. Or is projected another bridge to Tunisia from there? The bathymetry for that is favorable:

http://www.lynx-info.com/images/gis-tunisia/tunisia.jpg

http://www.halcrow.com/PageFiles/642/image008_512.jpg

1. The resources for rehabilitation of the Italian public debt must be taken elsewhere. This infrastructure is vital for economic recovery of southern Italy. Produce at least 40,000 jobs in two regions with the highest unemployment rate.

2. Yes, but it's still an ipotesis of a tunnel between Italy and north Africa (Tunisia):

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd440/brick84/Immagine3-37.jpg

In the distant future:

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd440/brick84/Immagine4-23.jpg

brick84

September 14th, 2011, 12:16 PM

Messina Bridge: Matteoli, "Strong interest" of China Investment Corp.
Soon technical panel for screening infrastructure investments

Rome, Sept. 13 - "Strong interest" of China Investment Corporation for the Messina Strait Bridge. He told Thomson Financial Infrastructure Minister, Matteoli. Del Ponte and other possible investments in infrastructure Italian Matteoli spoke with leaders of the fund over one of the meetings (September 6 last year) that the CEO of CIC, Low Jiwei, has carried out in the Italy, seeing, among others, Economy Minister Giulio Tremonti. As pointed out today the Secretary of the Treasury Dear Antonio, not 'addressed the issue of purchase of government bonds, but that any investments in the real economy. The Chinese, Matteoli said, "have shown interest to invest in infrastructure in Italy and appreciate our model of 'project financing'. I told them that we are happy that their interest and I proposed to open more to the 'table soon technical infrastructure to start talking to which they are interested. We also talked about the bridge over the Strait of Messina on their part for which there is' a strong interest. " Among the projects presented to the Chinese, also a hub port for trade in Sicily in the Mediterranean and highways as the Orte-Mestre: "If they want to invest - has concluded Matteoli - I have projects to propose."

http://www.corriere.it/notizie-ultima-ora/Economia/Ponte-Messina-Matteoli-Forte-interesse-China-Investment-Corp/13-09-2011/1-A_000247226.shtml

brick84

September 17th, 2011, 11:51 AM

The Chinese onlookers for the Strait of Messina Bridge

September 17, 2011 - In Rome yesterday, there was a meeting devoted to activities related to the construction of the bridge over the Strait, the Strait of Messina between the company and a Chinese delegation composed of representatives of the Ministry of Transport, the Ministry of Railways, Ministry of Commerce and the Institute for transport planning and research.

The themes of the meeting, which was also attended by representatives of the Chinese Embassy and the Sicilian Region, the highly specialized and focused on innovation that characterizes the set of actions proposed for implementing the work from a technical standpoint, procedural, managerial, environmental and financial.

The meeting, requested by the Chinese authorities in recent months, has set itself the objective to share the Italian know-how developed for the bridge over the Strait of Messina, in order to provide input to the project of stable connection across the Strait of Qiongzhou.

The work is planned by the Beijing government to bring high-speed train from the Continent to the island of Hainan, an important economic center, communication and tourist center of southern China.

"The bridge over the Strait of Messina - said the CEO of the Strait of Messina, Pietro Ciucci - is a product of the highest profile that has always met with great international interest. In the coming days we will meet delegations from other countries. In fact today we have the know-how, all Italian, which many call a witness to know that the work is already producing positive effects for the entire system of the country in terms of production capabilities. "

http://messina.blogsicilia.it/i-cinesi-curiosi-per-il-ponte-sullo-stretto/59930/

Peloso

September 26th, 2011, 12:37 AM

JB Colbert

September 27th, 2011, 09:25 AM

What is the value added to the discussion by your post?!?

TRINACRIA FELIX

September 27th, 2011, 09:56 PM

This bridge has got as many chances to see the light as minister Gelmini's fabled 730km-long "tunnel between Gran Sasso and Geneve". Well unless the project AS A WHOLE is taken over by the Chinese. :lol:
You have written a wrong parallel because Gelmini she's right!
The 730 km is the distance in a straight line that neutrinos do when they leave the tunnel of 1 km and continue their path in the rock land, which for them is as well not exist, or does not constitute an obstacle for them. Neutrinos do so 730 km in a straight line inside the rock up to the Gran Sasso Laboratories.
http://www.ilcalcestruzzo.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26683

Peloso

September 28th, 2011, 12:19 AM

What is the value added to the discussion by your post?!?I expressed my doubts about the feasibility of this project. Now what is the value added to the discussion by YOUR post?You have written a wrong parallel because Gelmini she's right!
The 730 km is the distance in a straight line that neutrinos do when they leave the tunnel of 1 km and continue their path in the rock land, which for them is as well not exist, or does not constitute an obstacle for them. Neutrinos do so 730 km in a straight line inside the rock up to the Gran Sasso Laboratories.
http://www.ilcalcestruzzo.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26683It is very possible that, beside not being very versed in English, you don't excel in Italian as well. The communique by the (so-called) Minister of education, still on line to this day at:
http://www.istruzione.it/web/ministero/cs230911
claims "Alla costruzione del tunnel tra il Cern ed i laboratori del Gran Sasso, [...] l'Italia ha contribuito con uno stanziamento oggi stimabile intorno ai 45 milioni di euro. " Now the preposition "tra" in Italian, means "between", literally translated "the tunnel between CERN and Gran Sasso". So, either the Minister of Education ignores her own language, or she ignores basic physics, also ignores what her Ministry is up to. And mind you, this IS ON TOPIC, because these (center-right party) are the very same people who would be managing the construction of the bridge. :lol:

JB Colbert

September 28th, 2011, 09:58 AM

I expressed my doubts about the feasibility of this project. Now what is the value added to the discussion by YOUR post?

Più che esprimere dubbi hai dimostrato superficialità.
Oltre a quella firma del menga che esponi.

PS
Sorry for the italian.

TRINACRIA FELIX

September 28th, 2011, 06:07 PM

I expressed my doubts about the feasibility of this project. Now what is the value added to the discussion by YOUR post?It is very possible that, beside not being very versed in English, you don't excel in Italian as well. The communique by the (so-called) Minister of education, still on line to this day at:
http://www.istruzione.it/web/ministero/cs230911
claims "Alla costruzione del tunnel tra il Cern ed i laboratori del Gran Sasso, [...] l'Italia ha contribuito con uno stanziamento oggi stimabile intorno ai 45 milioni di euro. " Now the preposition "tra" in Italian, means "between", literally translated "the tunnel between CERN and Gran Sasso". So, either the Minister of Education ignores her own language, or she ignores basic physics, also ignores what her Ministry is up to. And mind you, this IS ON TOPIC, because these (center-right party) are the very same people who would be managing the construction of the bridge. :lol:

Another imprecision the "center-right party" they do not manage the construction of the bridge, but will be the general contractor Eurolink!

That's all!

Peloso

September 29th, 2011, 04:16 PM

Another imprecision the "center-right party" they do not manage the construction of the bridge, but will be the general contractor Eurolink!

That's all!Well I mean "the construction" in a loose sense. We all know that the project, in its latest incarnation, is Berlusconi's brainchild, and it's the centre-left government that provided the public share for the financing of it (funds from IRI-Fintecna), and gave warranties to the banks for the "private" share of money. Also, for the (very possible) overshooting of planned funds (6 billions euro), it's the State who's going to pay the difference - all based on decisions taken by the center-right party.

That's all folks!! :lol:

TRINACRIA FELIX

September 30th, 2011, 02:18 PM

Well I mean "the construction" in a loose sense. We all know that the project, in its latest incarnation, is Berlusconi's brainchild, and it's the centre-left government that provided the public share for the financing of it (funds from IRI-Fintecna), and gave warranties to the banks for the "private" share of money. Also, for the (very possible) overshooting of planned funds (6 billions euro), it's the State who's going to pay the difference - all based on decisions taken by the center-right party.

That's all folks!! :lol:
This is another inaccuracy. The Bridge is not an idea of Berlusconi, but like it or not, an Law of the Italian State!

On 17th December 1971 the Colombo Government approves the Law 1158 that authorizing the creation of a private company with public capital, concessionaire for the design, implementation and management of road and rail stable connection on the Messina Strait.

In 1979, Francesco Cossiga, the Head of Government gives its approval to the establishment of the concession company “Strait of Messina” Spa which will then be set up in 1981.

In 1981, ten years after the law 1158/71, the establishment of the dealership was realized “Strait of Messina” Spa they attended the ITALSTAT financially and IRI with 51% and the State Railways, ANAS, the Sicilian Region and the Region of Calabria in equal proportions of 12.25% each.

But the biggest contribution to the bridge gave the rulers of the center left party:
1) Prodi, who was head of IRI was defined when the preliminary design of the 80 and 90;
2) D'Alema, who removed it from the dusty drawers of the commissions and ministries layabouts, to subjectthe judgments of the advisors;
3) Di Pietro, which prevented the dissolution of “Strait of Messina” Spa the conditions for the disintegration of Prodi and company.

It was enough to propose and vote on the repeal of the Law Act 1158/71 for speak no more of the Messina Strait Bridge. Instead they have kept alive to get votes in the South!

P.S.: Sorry for my English!

brick84

October 1st, 2011, 12:12 AM

PS
Sorry for the italian.

:nono:

Sorry to BE italian!

lol

brick84

October 1st, 2011, 12:22 AM

video of Cannitello (Calabria) propedeutic works (that will finish in next months):

Linea ferroviaria Paola - Reggio Calabria , lavori Ponte di Messina a Cannitello
K5ebWAZrKCM

Peloso

October 2nd, 2011, 04:45 AM

P.S.: Sorry for my English!Well it's not just that your English is bad, it's that half your propositions are downright incomprehensible. What can I say, you can't sustain a normal discussion, you don't even understand a simple phrase like "in its latest incarnation". How can one deny that the project has been advancing thanks to Berlusconi's patronage since the beginning of the century? Besides, your rants are full of meaningless data, of no interest to a foreign citizen. Don't take offense, my advice to you is: keep posting on the Italian subforum, people there are likely to be interested in what you say, although they will (or I hope they will) dispute your claims, often absurd. And, take a course of English before posting in the international section, if you intend doing more than just showing photos.

TRINACRIA FELIX

October 2nd, 2011, 11:31 AM

Well it's not just that your English is bad, it's that half your propositions are downright incomprehensible. What can I say, you can't sustain a normal discussion, you don't even understand a simple phrase like "in its latest incarnation". How can one deny that the project has been advancing thanks to Berlusconi's patronage since the beginning of the century? Besides, your rants are full of meaningless data, of no interest to a foreign citizen. Don't take offense, my advice to you is: keep posting on the Italian subforum, people there are likely to be interested in what you say, although they will (or I hope they will) dispute your claims, often absurd. And, take a course of English before posting in the international section, if you intend doing more than just showing photos.

You understand very well what I wrote because you cannot change the history!
I have tried to correctly inform foreign users in this discussion about the wrong information given by against the construction of the bridge. It 's all very simple!

Strait City

October 3rd, 2011, 01:16 PM

video of Cannitello (Calabria) propedeutic works (that will finish in next months):

Linea ferroviaria Paola - Reggio Calabria , lavori Ponte di Messina a Cannitello
K5ebWAZrKCM

Holy cow! There is some major work going on in Cannitello! What are those huge precast panels for? I thought they were only diverting the line east to facilitate the bridge pylons.

BTW I heard in the newspaper that some wanker Senator is trying rally up support via signatures to stop the project!?!?

TRINACRIA FELIX

October 3rd, 2011, 03:25 PM

Holy cow! There is some major work going on in Cannitello! What are those huge precast panels for? I thought they were only diverting the line east to facilitate the bridge pylons.

BTW I heard in the newspaper that some wanker Senator is trying rally up support via signatures to stop the project!?!?

The panels that you see are part of the artificial walls of the railway tunnel as you can see from the picture of the project below.

There is a Law of the Italian State No 1158 of 1971 that authorizing the creation of a private company with public capital, concessionaire for the design, implementation and management of road and rail stable connection on the Messina Strait .
The center-left party Senators are proposing a new Law to erase the old Law. Becouse only a Law can delete another Law. But it's too late! :)

http://i56.tinypic.com/2aeotwo.jpg

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brick84

October 3rd, 2011, 03:45 PM

Some images about the final draft and associated works

by Trinacria Felix

(base of pilons and Curcuraci junction - Messina)

http://i54.tinypic.com/df8z1d.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/1zlzww7.jpg

CURCURACI JUNCTION

http://i51.tinypic.com/1z16wb8.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/2whmhd0.jpg

@ Trinacria

riporta tu tutte le altre...

TRINACRIA FELIX

October 3rd, 2011, 09:20 PM

THESE BOARDS ARE PART OF THE FINAL PROJECT AND SHOW
WHAT WILL BE BUILT MESSINA SIDE!

TOWER AREA WITH THE GANZIRRI OVERPASS AND CABLES ANCHOR BLOCKS.
^^^^^^
http://i54.tinypic.com/df8z1d.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/1zlzww7.jpg

NEW HIGHWAY JUNCTION CURCURACI
^^^^^^
http://i51.tinypic.com/1z16wb8.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/2whmhd0.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/2wn1njt.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/zttahj.jpg
^^^^^^
This structure is functional to the new railway line. They provided a headquarters for the technological installations, depots for rail maintenance, the structure for the medical emergency with helicopters pitch and the materials deposit!

http://i51.tinypic.com/2zzn3mc.jpg

PAY TOLL AREA AND NEW HIGHWAY JUNCTION GANZIRRI!
^^^^^^
http://i54.tinypic.com/jfena8.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/16baddx.jpg

NEW OVERPASS PACE
^^^^^^
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http://i51.tinypic.com/21epzs9.jpg

NEW HIGHWAY JUNCTION ANNUNZIATA AND ENGAGEMENT WITH THE SAN JACHIDDU TUNNEL!
^^^^^^
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http://i53.tinypic.com/j5a80z.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/245fq68.jpg

NEW SUBWAY STATION ANNUNZIATA
^^^^^^
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Strait City

October 6th, 2011, 09:37 AM

Wow!!!! Have you got the same for the Calabrian side?

mgk920

October 6th, 2011, 08:08 PM

How possible would it have been to simply add the bridge toll to the 'ticket' zones on the tollways (Autostradas) on either end of the bridge, eliminating the need for that mainline toll plaza?

Mike

brick84

October 7th, 2011, 12:33 AM

How possible would it have been to simply add the bridge toll to the 'ticket' zones on the tollways (Autostradas) on either end of the bridge, eliminating the need for that mainline toll plaza?

Mike

I think because the highways in Sicily are two (A20 Messina-Palermo and A18 Messina-Catania) so the solution here was just ONE tollway for the bridge.

In Calabria side, there's just A3 Salerno-Reggio.

brick84

October 7th, 2011, 01:08 PM

This is the tollway on the sicilian side.

http://www.projectmate.com/sdm/images/phocagallery/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_7.jpg

Adorm

October 20th, 2011, 08:46 PM

brick84

October 21st, 2011, 11:50 PM

Looking good! Has this project progressed too far into the planning phase to simply be cancelled due to, say, a change of government (always a possibility with Berlusconi) or budgetary cuts?
I just find the lack of fanfare or constant news a bit worrying for such a massive project, but maybe that will pick up once construction starts?

I think we are now in a phase of 'no return' ...
The procedure for the construction work goes on and work preparatory to Cannitello (Calabria) too.
I think it's stupid - because you also pay a fine - stop the bridge project at this point. We have never been so close from its current and next year we will begin work the pylons. So even if there was a change of government, as no one would dare stop him.

It must be said that over the last few days has been much discussion on the role of Bridge in the European Union, which considered the bridge 'not-priority' and then not fund.
No problem. From Eurolink have indicated that this decision will not prevent its realization.
The EU, however, considered the priritary realiziation of TEN Corridor 1 Berlin-Palermo and the Helsinki-Malta, Sicily and then they will not be cut off from the European TEN networks. :cheers:

http://www.trail.unioncamere.it/include/writeimg_newsdetail.asp?imgname=ten.bmp

Strait City

October 23rd, 2011, 02:14 PM

Why is it then that the newspapers and media is rife with rumors that it will be stopped?

They need to get started on these pylons as soon as possible!!!

Is impreglio doing the work at Canitello?

brick84

October 23rd, 2011, 04:29 PM

Why is it then that the newspapers and media is rife with rumors that it will be stopped?

These are just lies and falsehoods specifically written in the newspapers. :)

The news is that for Europe in the Strait of Messina Bridge is "not a priority" and therefore does not allocate funds for the bridge. The EU considers that the same is a priority Corriodio 1 Berlin-Palermo and Bari-the-Malta and Helsinki, which will finance the railway line from Naples to Palermo.

No problem for the bridge that will be funded by individuals and by the Italian State.
(Fiammenghi a Ciucci say: "No problem for us. The project still goes on".

They need to get started on these pylons as soon as possible!!!

They say: "in half of 2012 we start".
Now i read that the works on the pylon maybe start in April 2012 :)

Is impreglio doing the work at Canitello?

:yes:
The works on Cannitello (Calabria) will finish this year. (there's a video about the works... Have you seen? :))

Matthieu

October 31st, 2011, 05:05 PM

http://abonnes.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2011/10/31/l-amant-de-messine-attendra-encore_1596455_3214.html

Financing on hold, as reported by Le Monde.

Qtya

November 9th, 2011, 02:27 PM

GAME OVER?

brick84

November 9th, 2011, 06:19 PM

GAME OVER?

Not yet.
The next meeting of the CIPE, the last one is scheduled in February (2012).
It is not sure yet, but the election should not be the first of that month.

Let's see.

However, even if the Government were to go to the Left, said the project is not to stop. (there would be penalties to pay!: bash:)

By 2011 should be completed 'Variante of Cannitello' (in Calabria), the work preparatory to bridge. (seems a good step).

brick84

November 9th, 2011, 06:23 PM

Short video of the works on Cannitello (Variante di Cannitello).

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brick84

November 9th, 2011, 06:25 PM

The project:

http://i39.tinypic.com/b5k4k4.jpg
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1083221&page=7

Strait City

November 17th, 2011, 01:56 AM

What happens to the project now that Silvio is out and Mario Monti is in?

brick84

November 19th, 2011, 09:00 PM

What happens to the project now that Silvio is out and Mario Monti is in?

It goes on.
The new minister for infrastructure and transport, Corrado Passera, has not yet left a public statement on the desire to build the bridge, but he did understand that it is favorable to the bridge.

Nikola10

December 14th, 2011, 11:32 AM

you made gonna 1 big great love

joseph1951

December 15th, 2011, 03:07 AM

joseph1951

December 15th, 2011, 03:29 AM

[QUOTE=brick84;84977787]These are just lies and falsehoods specifically written in the newspapers. :)

1-
The news is that for Europe in the Strait of Messina Bridge is "not a priority" and therefore does not allocate funds for the bridge. They say: "in half of 2012 we start".
Now i read that the works on the pylon maybe start in April 2012 :)

QUOTE]

Brick84,
The Bridge has never been a priority for the EU. In May 2003 the EU Parliament voted against the Bridge on the Strait of Messina, considering it not to be an EU priority . It was never meant to be funded by EU.

I am not aware of any published EU documenation in which it is stated that the EU was going to fund this Bridge.

By now you should be aware of this fact, since from 2007 I repeatedly posted the relevant documentation on the Italian section, where you are running, in you very unmistakable style, the Italian version of this thread.

brick84

December 15th, 2011, 05:45 PM

http://www.lameziaweb.biz/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/corridoi_ferroviari.jpg

http://www.scirocconews.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/ue-corridoio-1.jpg
http://www.scirocconews.it/index.php/2011/09/21/ue-e-corridoio-1-i-paralipomeni-della-pontemachia/

brick84

December 15th, 2011, 06:04 PM

The lift(s) inside the pilons:

http://i42.tinypic.com/33064ol.jpg

the connected works on Calabria side:

http://i43.tinypic.com/w83hc5.jpg

brick84

December 18th, 2011, 04:13 PM

toll areas in Sicily:

http://i42.tinypic.com/awb40n.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/2nbvign.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/dzav86.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/1giyz7.jpg

brick84

December 18th, 2011, 04:16 PM

Administrative center of the Strait of Messina Spa
(with hotels, shopping centers, cinemas, restaurants, convention center, etc.)

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd440/brick84/ponte1-7.jpg

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd440/brick84/ponte2-5.jpg

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd440/brick84/ponte3-4.jpg

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd440/brick84/ponte4-4.jpg

brick84

December 18th, 2011, 04:23 PM

Masterplan Shopping Center and Cinema.
(Calabria coast)

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd440/brick84/ponte1-8.jpg

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd440/brick84/ponte2-6.jpg

brick84

December 29th, 2011, 12:13 PM

Propedeutic works in Cannitello (Calabria):

http://i43.tinypic.com/fdbzgy.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/16pitz.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/a0j7s4.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/1entw6.jpg

^^

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd440/brick84/Immagine-129.jpg

brick84

January 4th, 2012, 03:18 PM

on sicilian side:

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd440/brick84/Immagine2-106.jpg

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd440/brick84/Immagine3-82.jpg

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd440/brick84/Immagine4-60.jpg

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd440/brick84/Immagine-135.jpg

Strait City

January 5th, 2012, 12:44 PM

The lift(s) inside the pilons:

http://i42.tinypic.com/33064ol.jpg

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Hey brick, are these elevators for maintenance workers or for the public?

Imagine the revenue from tourist wanting to see the view from the top! They should design an observation deck into it now.

brick84

January 6th, 2012, 12:26 AM

Hey brick, are these elevators for maintenance workers or for the public?

Imagine the revenue from tourist wanting to see the view from the top! They should design an observation deck into it now.

Certainly, for maintenance. But it is possible to be used by visitors.

However, tourists can enjoy the spectacle of the bridge through all the structures that will be made mainly in Calabria, where the hotels are also planned, squares, restaurants, info point, green spaces and a shopping center.

Calabria side:

http://i39.tinypic.com/rcq7w4.jpg

brick84

January 30th, 2012, 09:46 PM

Cannitello's (Calabria) propedeutic works goes on
(January)

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Strait City

February 10th, 2012, 10:53 AM

This a great project. It goes to show that it just isnt a bridge but so much more for the area.

How is the project progressing with all the financial strife in Eurozone? Has it still got funding?

Sal73x

February 10th, 2012, 11:08 AM

....
How is the project progressing with all the financial strife in Eurozone? Has it still got funding?

No.
It isn't in the plans of the EU and even
the new Italian government has cut the bridge out.

Strait City

February 15th, 2012, 12:37 PM

No.
It isn't in the plans of the EU and even
the new Italian government has cut the bridge out.

...but what about the works at Canitello? And the big payout Impreglio will gain if the contract defaults? Seriously wtf?

Sal73x

February 15th, 2012, 04:08 PM

...but what about the works at Canitello? And the big payout Impreglio will gain if the contract defaults? Seriously wtf?

Works at Cannitello, so far, are nothing else than simply moving 900m of tracks,
something that in other countries would have taken only few months here isn't finished even after over a year.

The payout to Impregilo would be the less painfull solution for all this mess.

brick84

February 15th, 2012, 09:25 PM

If the bridge is not done you will have to pay penalties amounting to 8-10% of the total cost of the work.

As Cannitello, we have no recent news. The work should have been concluded in December but still works. It must be said that there was a stop of work caused by some kind of application that has stopped work for several months.
However, approaching the end.

eltodesukane

February 16th, 2012, 06:32 PM

Why not a floating bridge?
Would that not be simpler and cheaper? And as effective?

Sal73x

February 16th, 2012, 08:08 PM

Why not a floating bridge?
Would that not be simpler and cheaper? And as effective?

That would mean closing/blocking the Messina Strait, one of the major shipping routes in Italy
and with Gioia Tauro's port (5th cargo port in Italy) only few kilometers up the road I don't think your suggestion would be welcommed.

Personally ...I like your idea ;)

brick84

February 17th, 2012, 02:28 PM

Ciaccia
"Bridge over the Strait
early decision '

Rome - On the bridge over the Straits of Messina, "we hope to make a decision within a month." He said the deputy minister for Infrastructure, Mario Ciaccia, speaking at a conference on infrastructure organized by the Einaudi Foundation. "We must take account of the priorities within the framework of priorities," Ciaccia said, explaining that at the time, the priorities set by the European Union "are the corridors." For this, he reiterated Ciaccia, regarding the bridge over the Strait, "there is a problem of resources, since there is currently no EU financial assistance."

http://shippingonline.ilsecoloxix.it...ecisione.shtml

Strait Bridge, Ciucci: "I submit to the government's decision"
February 15, 2012

"I have the job of the Bridge. I defer to what the government decides, of course I would be more 'glad you did. "And 'what was said at the company' Strait of Messina, Pietro Ciucci, reporters who asked him news of the latest developments of the infrastructure between Sicily and Calabria on the sidelines of a meeting of the Einaudi Foundation. "The project is following its normal procedure continued Ciucci-we-already 'had a favorable Street on the preliminary draft. At this point it makes an assessment of compliance with regard to the project is not modified. And there 'where we did work on improving change on the ground, required primarily by local authorities, in that case an additional assessment is made. "Pacifiers also recalled that the company '"has already' invested 300 million euros."

http://www.strettoweb.com/2012/02/po...53/ # chiudi_adv