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Joev
October 15th, 2005, 10:27 PM
Article from Evening Telegram
Thursday, October 13, 2005
Battery sale hinges on application OK
By TERRY ROBERTS, The Telegram

Developer Rick Butler is proposing to tear down The Battery Hotel and Suites, which overlooks St. John’s harbour, and build a 10-storey glass hotel, if St. John’s city council approves his application.

There’s a tentative deal in place for the sale of The Battery Hotel and Suites, but sources say it’s contingent on whether a dramatic redevelopment plan being floated by the buyer is approved by St. John’s city council.

Rick Butler is proposing to demolish the 125-room structure that overlooks St. John’s harbour and the city.
He plans to replace it with a 10-story, 200-room hotel and condominium complex, with construction beginning in 2007.

Built in sections beginning in the 1960s, the hotel is currently seven storeys at its highest point, although the largest sections of the building range from three to six storeys.

Sources say he has reached a purchase agreement with the hotel’s owner, Halifax ophthalmologist Dr. Bruce Pretty, and an official agreement is scheduled to be signed Nov. 30.

Neither Butler nor Pretty could not be reached Wednesday, but it appears the deal could be shelved if development restrictions limit the height to which a new hotel can be built.

Here’s where the idea gets complicated.

Under the St. John’s development regulations, the hotel is zoned commercial office hotel, which permits a maximum height of 10 storeys, or 40 metres.

But the Battery development guideline study, which has been used by the city since it was completed in 2004, recommends against any increase in height or horizontal expansion for the hotel.

The study suggested the hotel is already out of proportion to the area’s unique character, which includes narrow roads, houses clinging to the cliffs, and Cabot Tower, one of the most prominent landmarks in the city.

Mayor Andy Wells, who has met with Butler, has said he likes the proposal and stated that Butler plans to call for international design submissions.

But Wells said he expects opposition from some members of council because of the height issue.

However, the application does not include any drawings or a detailed development plan.

Coun. Shannie Duff, who chaired the planning and heritage advisory committees prior to the Sept. 27 election, is a strong advocate for height restrictions on buildings, especially in sensitive areas of the city where public views are at risk.

She said it’s too early to say whether she’ll support the hotel’s redevelopment plan, but she cautioned it must be conducted in a manner that maintains the integrity of the site.

“Signal Hill and Cabot Tower are the two landmark views of the city. They are what define us. So, obviously, what you’re going to do in that area needs to be done with a lot of design creativity and a lot of care,” Duff stated.

“To my mind, this is an ideal situation for working together on a project to see if we can come up with something that’s really outstanding.”

Joev
October 15th, 2005, 10:39 PM
The existing Battery Hotel is located on the lower part of the Signal Hill slopes on an elevation of about 200' (61m) with panoramic views of the harbour and the city, and is a 1 km distance from the Cabot Tower (historic landmark). This elevation would make it one of the most prominent buildings in the city. St.John's is very concerned with keeping it's buildings in scale with the old architecure, so a proposal of this kind is very controversial.

This is a photo of the existing hotel.
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5339/batteryhotel408s8gp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I should add, for those unfamiliar with St.John's, that the hotel site lies about 200 meters outside the boundaries of Signal Hill National Historic Park, which is about 260 acres, with elevations reaching close to 500' (152 meters), and has history dating back to the 1700's or earlier.

The Park website includes a 3D tour:
http://www.pc.gc.ca/lhn-nhs/nl/signalhill/index_e.asp

Joev
October 30th, 2005, 08:34 AM
Here's another view. The site is where the white hotel building is, right foreground.
http://www.pbase.com/joecanada/image/35505262/large.jpg

Joev
December 15th, 2005, 10:13 PM
It looks like the proposal for the Battery Hotel is a little more likely to get built. The 200 room hotel/condo complex would be the fourth largest in the city, after the Delta, the Fairmont, and the Holiday Inn, and would likely be the most popular. I hope thay do loosen the rules to permit the ten stories; I say go for twelve, and make it officially a highrise. :cheers:

Loosen rules for new Battery Hotel: Coombs

Last updated Dec 14 2005 04:30 PM NST
CBC News

A St. John's city councillor wants to bend the rules so that a developer can erect a new structure on the site of the Battery Hotel.

Coun. Keith Coombs says U.S.-based developer Rick Butler is anxious to demolish the current hotel and construct a 10-storey hotel-condominium complex with 200 rooms.

However, a city-commissioned study recommends the hotel remain at the current height of six storeys.

Coombs wants an exemption for the building.

"I know what the developer has in mind," said Coombs.

While Coombs has seen preliminary drawings of the proposed hotel, the city's planning department has been unable to obtain detailed information on what Butler plans to erect.

Coun. Shannie Duff says the height restriction should remain in place until the developer makes a formal proposal to city hall.

Duff added council should proceed carefully to respect one of the city's most historic areas.

"I really think it can be an exciting opportunity to do something really good, but I'd hate to see politics mucked into it before we have a chance to give it any serious thought," she said.

The issue is expected to be debated at the first council meeting in the new year.

http://www.cbc.ca/nl/story/nf_batte...l_20051214.html

Gertzy
December 20th, 2005, 04:53 PM
Any Pics or renders of this Hotel Project, would like to see something.

FRITZ LANG
December 20th, 2005, 06:56 PM
I dont get it

Joev
December 20th, 2005, 11:04 PM
Sorry, no renderings have been submitted to council yet.

@Fritz Lang; not sure what you meant?
There is a constant lobby to keep high rise buildings from being buit anywhere in the city; and the downtown, and area around it is all designated as heritage area, and this proposal is on a 200' hill overlooking the downtown, which would make it more prominent.

Joev
January 4th, 2006, 06:48 PM
Update from CBC:
St. John's City council bends rules for hotel bid
Last updated Jan 4 2006 08:19 AM NST
CBC News

St. John's city council has approved a plan in principle to allow a new 10-storey hotel complex to replace the Battery Hotel, even though the applicant bypassed city staff and lobbied politicians directly.

U.S. developer Rick Butler is planning to build a $30-million complex – consisting of a hotel and condominiums – on the site of the existing Battery Hotel.

At their meeting Tuesday evening, councillors gave their blessings to a plan that goes against the city's own development guidelines.

Council staff, she said, were not presented with planning information, and councillors were instead individually lobbied.

She said the approval is unfair to developers who play by the normal rules.

Council voted 8-3 to approve the development in principle.

"All we're saying tonight is that we agree to entertain the application … In other words, he's got his 10 storeys."

The city's Battery guidelines are not proclaimed as law.

Developments in the Battery, which lines the eastern edge of St. John's harbour and offers a commanding view of the city, are restricted in terms of height and size.

Wells said the new complex's design will mean a final structure that is no higher than the existing hotel.

The developer's next hurdle is getting permission to develop a bigger portion of the hotel's land.

Joev
January 8th, 2006, 06:38 AM
This is a small rendering of the Battery Proposal from The Telegram:
http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/1484/batteryrendering19ra.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Joev
January 27th, 2006, 07:55 AM
Here is a website which is in opposition to this building. Read for yourself, and decide whether they are right:
http://www.outerbattery.com/

This is a rendering from that website by a St.John's architect, which shows his version of what the building will look like:
http://www.batteryradio.com/hotel/mellin3D.jpg
http://www.batteryradio.com/hotel/mellin3D.jpg
The background context is made to look very drab, while the building stands out and is somewhat overscaled.
Keep in mind that this rendering is done by people opposed to the project.

Existing hotel aerial photo:
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/1341/batteryhotelfromair3dr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Nuks
November 23rd, 2006, 08:59 PM
I'm bumping this to see if Joey has heard anything else about the Battery proposal. While I don't really like the proposed building, I would love to see something new and modern built there. The modernity of it (if done right) could look great against the oldness of existing St. John's. The Rooms was really a step in the right direction. We need to start tastefully bringing St. John's into the 21st century. We need to keep in mind the importance of older properties, but I think we're losing a lot of potential business with our height restrictions. Although I love Old St. John's, I think well-incorporated new buildings would be a great asset.

Joev
November 24th, 2006, 12:39 PM
I'm bumping this to see if Joey has heard anything else about the Battery proposal. While I don't really like the proposed building, I would love to see something new and modern built there. The modernity of it (if done right) could look great against the oldness of existing St. John's. The Rooms was really a step in the right direction. We need to start tastefully bringing St. John's into the 21st century. We need to keep in mind the importance of older properties, but I think we're losing a lot of potential business with our height restrictions. Although I love Old St. John's, I think well-incorporated new buildings would be a great asset.
Finally we have a forumer from St.John's, that's a good thing. I haven't heard of anything new from this proposal, last indications I heard was that everyone, including the mayor had second thoughts about the project being too big. That depends upon design in context of course. I would like to see a new project like this with totally modern (but good) architecture. I think another option for this building is to keep the newer part (which spills down over the hill), while replacing the section behind with a new and larger addition, although that might not suit the developers concept. Because there really isn't much pressure for development, St.John's is in no immediate danger of losing its heritage appeal, there should be so many sites available to build even highrises without destroying the old city. I don't see much imagination being used at all.

doogerz
November 27th, 2006, 06:40 AM
St. John's lost its heritage appeal when it built the "Rooms", I'm sure the Battery Hotel proposal can't be worse then that eyesore.

Joev
November 27th, 2006, 10:09 AM
St. John's lost its heritage appeal when it built the "Rooms", I'm sure the Battery Hotel proposal can't be worse then that eyesore.
Not true, it's only one building; there's still heritage appeal - not a CN Tower and 2000 skyscrapers like TO.