Expatriate Communities and their cultural influences in the Philippines [Archive] - Page 4

Animo

April 3rd, 2007, 01:25 AM

^^ The Code of Kalantiaw and Maragtas have been exposed as hoaxes.

The Verdict on Maragtas

Maragtas was finally placed in its proper perspective as a book of legends rather than historical fact in 1968 by William Henry Scott. For his doctoral dissertation at the University of Santo Tomas, Scott made a painstaking investigation into all the sources of information about the Philippines before the coming of the Spaniards.

Rather than merely plagiarizing past historians, Scott examined the original documents and searched archives and museums the world over for supporting documents and artefacts. He questioned the top historians of the day about their sources of information and consulted with many experts in other fields such as language, geology, archaeology and anthropology. He scoured the vast collection of prehispanic material amassed by his personal friend, Dr. H. Otley Beyer. He interviewed the friends, colleagues and relatives of the figures behind the stories such as Pedro Monteclaro and Jose E. Marco and he examined their correspondence.

William Henry Scott proved in his dissertation that Maragtas and the Confederation of Madya-as were not actual ancient documents from long ago but only legends that were collected and in some cases possibly concocted by Pedro Monteclaro and published in 1907 in his book entitled Maragtas. As for the Maragtas Code, Scott found that it was merely an invention of Guillermo Santiago-Cuino's mind which was probably based on Monteclaro's book and published in 1938.

Scott successfully defended his dissertation before a panel of eminent Filipino historians, some of whom had formerly endorsed and promoted the erroneous facts of Philippine history. The panel included Teodoro Agoncillo, Horacio de la Costa, Marcelino Forondo, Mercedes Grau Santamaria, Nicholas Zafra and Gregorio Zaide. Scott's meticulous research was published in 1968 in his book Prehispanic Source Materials for the Study of Philippine History and since then no historian has contested his conclusions. M12

The Result of Scott's Discoveries

By the 1960's the better scholars already had some doubts regarding Maragtas and they avoided mentioning it in their works. Scott's thesis confirmed their suspicions. However, it was many years before the writers of school textbooks noticed Scott's findings. Most continued to reprint their old texts while others wrote new books that still contained the old mistakes. Take for example this quote from Ang Pagsulong ng Pamayanan (1981):

Maragtas' Code is the premier example of written law and it has been considered the oldest because it was in effect from 1250. M13

Not only is this statement wrong but its authors seem to believe that Maragtas was a person and not a book.

Jose Villa Panganiban used Maragtas to trace the origin of the Tagalog language in the preface of the very popular English-Tagalog Dictionary by Fr. Leo James English in 1965. M14 To this day it remains unrevised in spite of many reprintings.

Even one member of Scott's dissertation panel did not appear to be eager to set the record straight. Gregorio Zaide continued to include information from Maragtas in works such as Pageant of Philippine History in 1979, History of the Republic of the Philippines in 1983 and Philippine History 1984 which he co-authored with his daughter, Sonia Zaide. M15

While making an effort to correct the errors of the past, some historians mistook Maragtas to be one of the many hoaxes of Philippine history rather than a mere legend. When Sonia Zaide revised History of the Republic of the Philippines in 1987, she mistakenly described Maragtas as a fraudulent document:

The legends surrounding the settling of the Philippines by Malay migrants are notably celebrated in the ati-atihan festival and perpetrated by hoaxers in the fraudulent documents containing the Maragtas chronicle and the Code of Kalantiaw. M16E

Zaide clarified her opinion on the following page:

Although previously accepted by some historians, including the present authors, it has become obvious that the Maragtas is only the imaginary creation of Pedro A. Monteclaro, a Visayan public official and poet, in Iloilo in 1907. He based it on folk customs and legends, largely transmitted by oral tradition. M17E

It would be unfair to brand Pedro Monteclaro a hoaxer or his book a fraudulent document because he never claimed that Maragtas was anything more than a collection of legends. Any frauds involving his book were perpetrated by other later writers who misrepresented it as an authentic ancient document.

http://www.mts.net/~pmorrow/marag_e.htm

Bibliography

The main source of information for this article, including some of the quotations from earlier works, is W.H. Scott’s Prehispanic Source Materials for the Study of Philippine History, revised edition, 1984. Specific citations may be accessed by clicking on the M# links.

The drawing at the top of this article is from Ang Pagsulong ng Pamayanan, first edition, 1981, p.174 by F.T. Leogardo, R.R. de Leon & P. Jacob. The artist was not credited.

Other sources:

AklanWeb, http://aklanweb.tripod.com/ati.htm
Alip, Eufronio M. Political and Cultural History of the Philippines, revised edition, 1954.
English, Leo James. English-Tagalog Dictionary, 1965.
Leogardo, Felicitas T., Rosalina R. de Leon & Purification Jacob. Ang Pagsulong ng Pamayanan, first edition, 1981.
Scott, William Henry. Looking for the Prehispanic Filipino, 1992.
Zaide, Gregorio F. The Pageant of Philippine History vol. 1, 1979.
Zaide, Gregorio F. & Sonia M. Zaide. Philippine History, corrected edition, 1987.
Zaide, Gregorio F. & Sonia M. Zaide. History of the Republic of the Philippines, revised edition, 1987.
Zaide, Gregorio F. & Sonia M. Zaide. Kasaysayan ng Republika ng Pilipinas, 1989.

Lili

April 3rd, 2007, 02:18 AM

^ I guess the hoax there was that those were presented as if they were "codified laws" when the basis for those unwritten "laws" were actually oral tradition, folk customs and legends.

habagatcentral1

April 3rd, 2007, 03:12 AM

For the IPs, they don't have such punishments in their tradition (in accordance to the Sulod Bukidnon and the Ati for they are the last remaining ethno-linguistic group in Panay that the effect of colonization is at least.)

But the thing is Panay holds a very rich indigenous folk tradition that dates back during pre-Hispanic times. The question of the origin of our Malayan stock may have been answered by the Maragtas but was later disregarded.

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But because of the intensity of the Maragtas and the Code of Kalantiaw, it has already been embeded in the Panaynon culture so much that taking it off all in a sudden would be like taking away the Santo Niño away from Cebuanos in all of a sudden, and just think what will the people be reacting if you tried to change the traditions radically?

demented_pigeon

April 3rd, 2007, 04:06 AM

Sa palagay ko hindi totoo iyong code of sumakwel, code of kalantiaw, at code of maragtas dahil unang una, di umano oral tradition sila. Kung oral traditions nga sila puwes dapat makukuha ito maging sa lokal na komunidad ng mga taong hindi nasakop ng mga espanyol, yung mga taong mahilig tawaging "tulisan", "malechores", o "remontado" ng mga Espanyol. Marahil may batas at sistemang pulitikal na may kaakibat na huridikal na institusyon ang mga pre-hispanized Filipinos dahil kailangang mayroong ganito para panatilihin ang kaayusan sa isang komunidad nga mga humigit kumulang 100-500 pamilya. Pero kaduda duda na itong mga "codes" na ito ang mga batas na iyon. Nasabi dati sa isang column ni Ambeth Ocampo ang pangalan ng isang Espanyol na nag-forge ng mga dokumentong ito para ibenta sa mga taong pwedeng mauto. Nakalimutan ko ang pangalan niya marahil alam ni bernie.

chymera00

April 3rd, 2007, 05:41 PM

IMPRESARIO

April 3rd, 2007, 05:54 PM

I've read an old book entitled "History of Duenas" (a town in Central Iloilo), and the author (Ramon L. Lagos Sr), who was a native of Duenas, was saying that he found it discouraging to know that some foreign writers of our history were not able to make thorough research about our past. They stayed in the country in so short a time, mostly in the capital, and whatever data they obtained was either mythical or hearsay.

He further said that his write-up would provide a more accurate reference.

Ramon L. Lagos Sr based his data on interviews with the Ati elders and the locals of Duenas.

According to him:

The place "Simsiman" refers to the central part of Panay, which encompasses the Central Iloilo towns of Dueñas (known then as “Laglag”), the towns of Janiuay, Lambunao, Calinog, Passi, San Enrique, Dingle and Pototan.

The Aetas settled in Simsiman because place was abundant in resources and safe from the Chinese invaders of the North and Moro invaders of the South. The Aetas then lived in relative peace and prosperity. Simsiman is claimed as the first Capital of the Philippines since it was the center of Ati Government at the time.

When the Bornean Datus, lead by Datu Puti, arrived in the shores of Panay, they asked a native where the best place to settle in. The native answered that it was in "Simsiman", so Datu Puti and his men went over to Simsiman (note: Simsiman is being claimed as the site of the barter of Panay) to meet with Datu Marikudo, chieftain of the Aetas, and proposed a barter of gifts in exchange for the island of Panay.

The Aetas agreed to hand over Simsiman and lived upland. Datu Marikudo specifically lived in what is now known as "Marikudo Hills" in Calinog (http://www.geocities.com/dost6/iloilo/calinog.html).

^^I've been to a Brgy. Simsiman in Calinog, its far from the town center,it has hills all around a very nice and peaceful place, my GF's (former,hehe) father was the brgy. captain there. :)

habagatcentral1

April 4th, 2007, 02:34 AM

^^ I guess the article posted by Animo settles it then, but as what Bernie said ... The Barter of Panay is already embeded in Panayanon Culture, though I think people should know the real truth about it so that no further misinterpretations will develop.

And that enters the role of local historians, to correct what was mistakenly done by our ancestors so that the people would not mislead.

We may educate our youth regarding this but taking out the Maragtas legend would take time since again, it has been embeded and most of the times, institutionalized.

Panaynons should be proud of their Malayan stock plus the IPs of the Sulodnon and the Ati plus other mixed races that formed the Panaynon culture that we know today.

kirby21

April 4th, 2007, 03:08 AM

tales, legends, etc are very famous to all of us Ilonggos. Old stories are handed down from one generation to the next generation and it does not ONLY create our very own beliefs but they are embeded in our cultures as well. There are few more readings about the Barter of Panay in the net. Apparently, exciting and longer versions are found in some Iloilo books.

kirby21

April 4th, 2007, 03:14 AM

Islas de los Pintados:
The Visayan Islands

Nestled in the bosom of the Philippines central seas are islands which Spanish conquistadors called Islands of the Painted People, Islas de los Pintados, because of the ancient people's custom of tattooing. Tattoos expressed a person's role and achievement in society. Men tattooed themselves almost totally while women were tattooed only in select parts of their anatomy, like arms. Tattoos served like a piece of clothing, and complemented the simple cut of clothes and jewelry, which the people wore.
Land. This cluster of islands consist of

six large ones–Panay, Negros, Cebu, Bohol, Samar, Leyte;
seven medium–Guimaras, Siquijor, Bantayan, Mactan, Camotes, Biliran, Panglao
and many small ones, some named Maripipi, Capul, Lauang, Batag, Cabilao, Olutayan, and countless unnamed island and isles

The Visayas is situated around 12.5 to 9 degrees latitude north; 121 to 126 longitude. Its climate is tropical and has marked seasons of rain, cool and dry enjoyed by the rest of the Philippines. Its northern islands are within the typhoon path with the island of Samar being buffeted the most, hence its depressed economic condition.

The islands are either of volcanic or marine origin. The islands of Panay and Negros are primarily volcanic, and the lofty volcanoes Mount Kanlaon in Negros Occidental and Mount Talinis near Siaton, Negros Oriental supply not only the energy needs of the island but neighboring islands as well. But Cebu and Bohol are mostly of limestone and fossilized coral giving away their marine origins.

Name. The islands, however, are known collectively and locally as the Visayas. The name’s origins are nebulous, some hypotheses have been proposed one suggests that the name derives from the Shrivijaya Empire based in Palembang, Sumatra. A major maritime power it influenced much of Southeast Asia from the 7th to the 12th centuries, it had converted to Islam toward its later history after being Hindu-Buddhist. However, the almost total absence of adherents to Buddhism or Islam in Visayas at colonial contact (1521) suggest otherwise. One could hypothesize that a kingdom deeply attached to Islam would have brought the religion to the Philippines. Islam came to southern Philippines through Arab traders and through the Borneo route and had not advanced much beyond Mindanao in the 16th century. Bisaya in archaic Tausog means slave; however, this is a case of later development when Visayan caught by slave raiders were being traded in Jolo to supply the manpower needs not just of the local datus but of Dutch merchants who run an active trade in Batavia (Jakarta). A Spanish missionary, Ignacio Alzina, writing about the history of the Visayas in 1668 claims that the term comes from aya or caya, meaning a happy person.

Pre-history. The nebulous origins “Visayas” coupled with a poor knowledge of the region’s history prior to colonization seems to be the reason why the Maragtas story and the subsequent tale of wise lawgiver Datu Kalantiaw is accepted as historical truth in many places, notwithstanding the dubious origins of the stories. Briefly the Maragtas narrates that a group of Borneans , fleeing persecution and headed by Datu Puti arrived in the Visayas, in the 13th century where they encountered the dark complexioned Ati under Datu Marikudo. The Borneans negotiated with the Ati to allow them to settle along the coast in exchange for a golden salakot, basin and necklace. In the 20th century, the Maragtas was retold as an epic poem by the Ilongo poet, Ricaredo Demetillo, The Barter of Panay; staged as a multi-media drama, Dularawan, for the inauguration of the Cultural Center of the Philippines, and has become the subject of a dance suite by the famous Bayanihan Dancers. The rest of the tale is taken as historical truth (complete with dates) as shown in the following quotations from government publication (DOT Website) about:

Iloilo

Irong-Irong appears in the Maragtas legend of the coming of the ten Bornean datus to Panay who bartered gold for the plains and valleys of the island from a local Ati chieftain. One datu, Paiburong by name, was given the territory of Irong-Irong in what is now Iloilo. For 300 years before the coming of the Spaniards, the islanders lived in comparative prosperity and peace under an organized government and such laws as the Code of Kalantiaw.

Capiz

Capiz is another province whose name possesses a rather interesting etymology It was named based on the story that when the Spaniards came to Capiz in 1570, it was the time when Datu Bankaya’s wife of the Aklan district gave birth to twin daughters. Twin is "Kapid" in the local dialect, so the Spaniards adopted the name Capiz (Kapid) as inadvertently miscommunicated to them by the natives.

Capiz, known as Aklan in pre-Spanish times, was one of the early settlements of the Malayas, centuries before the coming of the Spaniards to the Philippines. It was part of the Confederation of Madjaas, formed after the purchase of Panay by the Bornean datus from the Negrito king named Marikudo.

And Aklan:

Aklan is the oldest province in the Philippines, organized in 1213 by settlers from Borneo as the Minuro it Akean to include what is now Capiz.

The capital of Aklan changed location several times. Towards the end of the 14th century, Datu Dinagandan moved the capital to the present site of Batan which was captured in 1399 by Chinese adventurers under Kalantiaw, who forthwith ruled Aklan. In 1433 the son of Kalantiaw, Kalantiaw III laid down a written code of laws now known as the Code of Kalantiaw. The short-lived Kalantiaw dynasty ended when Kalantiaw III was slain in a duel with Datu Manduyog, legitimate successor to Datu Dinagandan. When Manduyog became the new ruler, he moved the capital to Bakan (ancient name of Banga) in 1437. Several datus succeeded Manduyog when Miguel Lopez de Legaspi landed in Batan in 1565, Datu Kabayag was ruling Aklan from what is now the town of Libacac.

Unfortunately as the historian William Henry Scott has pointed out the Maragtas goes no further than 1907. “the Maragtas is an original work by Pedro A. Monteclaro published in mixed Hiligaynon and Kin-iraya in Iloilo in 1907 which claims to be nothing more than that. It is based on written and oral sources then available, and contain three sorts of subject matter—folk customs still being practiced or remembered by old folks, the description of an idealized confederation whose existence there is reasonable grounds to doubt and for which there is no evidence, and a legend recorded in 1858 of a migration of Bornean settlers, some of whom are still remembered as folk heroes, pagan deities, or progenitors of part of the present population of Panay. There is not reason to doubt that this legend preserves the memory of some actual event, but it is not possible to date the event itself or to decide which of its details are historic fact and which are the embellishments of generations of oral transmission (Scott 1984:103).

Regarding the Code of Kalantiaw, Scott observes that its source is “the Marco-Pavón Antiguas Leyendas.” Jose E. Marco of Pontevedra, Negros Occidental was a stamp collector and antiquarian who brought to the director to the American director of the National Library, Alexander Blair, supposedly ancient manuscripts about the Visayas. The Pavon manuscript was allegedly written by Fr. José María Pavon y Araguro, a priest of the Diocese of Cebu and assigned parish priest of Himamaylan (1843-49 [50?]). In 1848-49, the Recollects took charge of Negros and Pavon presumably returned to Cebu. Other historians aside from Scott doubt the authenticity of manuscripts presented by Marco to the National Library. Regarding the Pavon manuscript, Scott concludes: “The Jose E. Marco contribution to Philippine historiography …appear to be deliberate fabrications with no historic validity. There is therefore no present evidence that any Filipino ruler by the name of Kalantiaw ever existed or that the Kalantiaw penal code is any older than 1914” (Scott 1984: 134).

The postwar impetus to provide the Visayas a facile prehistory does not deny that the Visayas had a rich history. Although the archaeological of the islands is very much incomplete, tantalizing evidence of rich culture have been found. In the island of Banton, Romblon (politically part of Region 4, Southern Tagalog, though culturally Visayan) a warp ikat cloth was found in a burial site. Dated to the 12th century it is probably the oldest example of ikat weave from Southeast Asia. The Museo de Iloilo display not just Neolithic pottery and implements but a gold death mask unearthed in Oton. Samar is yielding many gold ornaments from areas controlled by the NPA. These prehispanic jewelry finds its way to the antique market, though badly documented regarding provenance, and almost useless archaeologically. Cebu’s University of San Carlos displays artifacts unearthed within Cebu City during an archaeological excavation conducted by the University. Bohol’s Baclayon church stores some haligi or house posts (claimed to be pre-colonial) recovered from the Dauis Strait.

All these evidences point to a rich history needing reconstruction. Extensive excavations along the Tanay River have uncovered prehistoric evidence of settlements, of associated artifacts, including Chinese trade ware, suggesting a lively commerce along this waterway.

Languages and dialects. The Visayans speak a variety of related languages, not just dialects, although dialect varieties exist.

The principal languages are

Hiligaynon, with variations especially marked among the Ilongo, Antiqueño and Capiznon, spoken in the provinces of Iloilo, Capiz, Antique and Negros Occidental
Sugbuhanon , Bisaya, Binisaya or Cebuano Visayan is spoken in Cebu, Negros Oriental, Siquijor, Western Leyte, Bantayan and Camotes; and a dialect, characterized by the hard pronunciation of “y”, Boholano or Bol-anon in Bohol, although constant interchange between Cebu is slowly eroding the distinctions;
Popularly called Waray (because the prevalence of the rolling “R” sound) but Samar-Leyte Visayan by linguistic scholars is the language distinct to Samar and Eastern Leyte.
Other minor languages exist

Akaenon or Aklanon spoken in Aklan,
Kinaray-a or Kin-iraya, an older variety of Hiligaynon, is spoken in the interior towns of Panay Island.
Abacnon, Capulon, a cognate of Tausog, spoken by about 1500 persons in Capul Island, off northern Samar
Although Romblon and Cagayancillo now belong to Region IV, Southern Tagalog and Masbate to Region V, Bicol, inhabitants of these islands speak a language akin to Hiligaynon
Rombloanon in Romblon
Bantoanon in Banton
Masbateño in Masbate
Cagayancillo’s lingua franca is Hiligaynon as most of the inhabitants are from Iloilo or Antique. These settlers continue maintaining economic ties with Panay for it is far more convenient to sail to Anini-y on Panay’s southwestern tip than to go to Puerto Princesa under whose political jurisdiction Cagayancillo falls.
and a variety of languages tribal languages spoken by minorities: the Sulod of Panay, Bukidnon, Mahagat and Karolon of Negros, and Ati or Ayta.
Administration. For purposes of administration the islands are divided into Western, Central and Eastern Visayas. Western Visayas is made up of the principal islands of Panay and Guimaras, the province of Negros Occidental and nearby islands and islets. Central Visayas is made up of the islands of Cebu, Bantayan, Camotes, Bohol, Panglao, Negros Oriental, Siquijor and nearby islands and islets; and Eastern Visayas, Samar, Leyte, Biliran, Lauang, and neighboring islands.

Travel: The Visayan islands, though related culturally, are distinct from each other, so that island hopping becomes a pleasant experience of variety. And most islands are physically not too far from each other, on the average 20 to 30 nautical miles distant. The distance is even made shorter by the ready availability of fast, hi-tech catamaran type ferries that sail from the principal harbors for adjacent islands, approximately every hour. It is possible to plan trips so that you can tour an island one day, and be on the next island the following.

It is also possible to travel by public transportation from one island to the next. A bus line connects Bacolod City, Negros Occidental with Cebu. The bus is loaded on a roro (roll in, roll out) ferry for the sea crossing. Within the islands aside from buses, FX vans are available. These are probably more convenient because of their frequent trips and few stops along the way, although sitting is tight because the vans are small and crowded.

Our island-hopping heritage tour of the Visayas takes advantage of this convenience. It begins with Cebu as a hub, moves south to Bohol, then north to Dumaguete, Bacolod, Iloilo, ending in Capiz for the culture buffs or the very popular white-sand beach of Boracay.

To get from Manila the Cebu the most convenient way is to travel by air, however, sea travel is also available. The government has recently rationalized the roro services between islands. It is now possible to travel to Boracay, Aklan from Cubao, Quezon City, Metro Manila. The trip takes 15 hours. From then onwards public buses are available. But be warned, the buses may lack in comfort. So the bus and roro option are for the adventurous.

from: http://www.admu.edu.ph/offices/mirlab/panublion/islas.html

spacewagon1

April 9th, 2007, 05:17 AM

nice thread. More info please.

flesh_is_weak

April 9th, 2007, 09:41 PM

nanood ako ng asian treasures kanina...wala lang...:)

spacewagon1

April 11th, 2007, 06:14 AM

habagatcentral1

April 11th, 2007, 11:06 AM

that's right. Folklores play important roles in our culture. But when did they decided to prove that the arrival of ten Bornean datus is a myth?

When there were loopholes seen by different researchers regarding Maragtas.
Concrete evidence shown that Malayan race was already in Panay way before 1212 which is the date of Maragtas.

The Ati and the Sudlonon of today doesn't have any oral history regarding the Barter of Panay.

The Code of Kalantiaw has been regarded by most of Panay historians and culture workers as a myth or even as a hoax because of evidence that points out that it was fabricated in 1914 as posted earlier.

kirby21

April 12th, 2007, 04:31 AM

of course, Iloilo has direct trade with other countries way before pre-Spanish era.

demented_pigeon

April 12th, 2007, 07:01 AM

When there were loopholes seen by different researchers regarding Maragtas.
Concrete evidence shown that Malayan race was already in Panay way before 1212 which is the date of Maragtas.

The Ati and the Sudlonon of today doesn't have any oral history regarding the Barter of Panay.

The Code of Kalantiaw has been regarded by most of Panay historians and culture workers as a myth or even as a hoax because of evidence that points out that it was fabricated in 1914 as posted earlier.

the sad things is not that its a myth. what is sad is its NOT a myth that evolved out of the indigenous culture but out of the fabrication of modern plaigarism.

habagatcentral1

April 12th, 2007, 09:30 AM

the sad things is not that its a myth. what is sad is its NOT a myth that evolved out of the indigenous culture but out of the fabrication of modern plaigarism.

The difficulty is that its so hard to trace our pre-Hispanic history in the Visayas. There are only a few accounts and most of the time obscure.

chari

April 19th, 2007, 06:02 AM

hapit lang ko...

athan

April 19th, 2007, 11:38 PM

When there were loopholes seen by different researchers regarding Maragtas.
Concrete evidence shown that Malayan race was already in Panay way before 1212 which is the date of Maragtas.

Could it be that the "Malayan race" you were referring to that was in the Philippines before 1212 were actually the descendants of the Malay people that originated in southern China and migrated to the Malay Archipelago via the Philippine islands? Antropologists have this new theory that the "Malays" actually came from mainland China and used the Philippine islands as a springboard to Malaysia, Indonesia and other Pacific islands; meaning Malays were actually "Filipinos" first before they were Malaysian or Indonesian and not the other way around. But anyway, i really don't know much about this Barter history but i am just trying to analyze it as well. These datus could have really "migrated back" to Panay from Malaysia..

death327

April 20th, 2007, 04:38 AM

Could it be that the "Malayan race" you were referring to that was in the Philippines before 1212 were actually the descendants of the Malay people that originated in southern China and migrated to the Malay Archipelago via the Philippine islands? Antropologists have this new theory that the "Malays" actually came from mainland China and used the Philippine islands as a springboard to Malaysia, Indonesia and other Pacific islands; meaning Malays were actually "Filipinos" first before they were Malaysian or Indonesian and not the other way around. But anyway, i really don't know much about this Barter history but i am just trying to analyze it as well. These datus could have really "migrated back" to Panay from Malaysia..

This can be prove by determining the age of the dialects being used in the Philippines deducting the effects the languages of the colonizers. In this way we can map out the migration wave of the Malays through how the language or the dialects drifted or flowed throughout the archipelago.

Unfortunately we don't have enough ethno-linguists, anthropologists and archeaologists in the country.

Manila-X

April 27th, 2007, 10:35 AM

Smallville

April 27th, 2007, 11:06 AM

This may sound crazy but one thing I noticed with relationships between a Filipino and a foreigner is the Filipino is mostly the female. I see American, European or Asian men with a Filipina partner. Except for my parents, I rarely see a Filipino man with a foreign partner.

Just wondering why is that?

Wanch,

I am an American married to a Pinay. We know the reasons why foreign men marry Pinays. The same reason you guys marry them. They take very good care of the home. They are very loving and loyal to their Husbands. They are beautiful and easy to get along with unless they get tampo:ohno:. The average American male can have a beautiful Filipina wife where as if that same average American male wanted a comparable American women. He would have to have a big house, nice car and a fat wallet full of cash to get an American women comparable to the Pinay. Pinays are alot more accepting and don't demand as much from us as American women do.

Their just aren't alot of foreign women looking for Husbands abroad. I am not sure exactly why that is but my hunch is that their standards are way too high. I have dated many American women in my past. They are very materialistic and will trade you in for a new guy if he has more money than you do. I have actually had that happen to me. I decided that I was never going to date another American woman and I didn't. I have a maganda wife from the Philippines that I am very happy with.

Animo

April 27th, 2007, 06:58 PM

Why is it that your topics are not in the proper subforum? Photography, Heritage and Architecture...

Fusionist

April 28th, 2007, 03:27 AM

Hi,

I hope I am in the right section, just wanted to know about the influence of Indic/Dharmic religions ( Hinduism/Buddhism ), linguistic or cultural etc in ancient Philippines. Anyone who likes history out here can elabotrate ?

I have some idea of the rise of the Majapahit kingdom in Indonesia and the Chola kingdom's influence in the Malacca straits, but am always curious about its influence in the Philippines if any ( I assume it is minimal compared to Indonesia but surely there must be some ?? ). Any idea ? anyone ? Thanks in advance :cheers:

Louman

April 28th, 2007, 03:34 AM

Most of the Indic influence you will find can be found in Islamic Philippines (mostly in Mindanao). You will barely find any in the Christian parts of the country, but most Filipino languages, despite three centuries of Spanish influence, still retain words of Sanskrit origin.

Some examples
asa hope Sanskrit आशा
salitâ speak Sanskrit चरितँ (cerita)
balità news Sanskrit वार्ता (berita)

Here's an example of Indic influence.

stn_4FuMoRI

(from Wikipedia)

It's a dance called Singkil and it originates in Mindanao. Also known as the Princess Dance or the Royal Maranao Fan Dance, the dance is based on the Maguindanao and Maranao interpretation of the ancient Indian epic, the Ramayana: the Darangen. The Singkil narrates a scene in which Sita (Putri Gandingan) escapes her abductor, the demon king Ravana and is lost in the forests of Alangka, thereupon being found by her husband, Prince Rama. Interesting to note is that in the original Ramayana epic, Rama selects Hanuman, the Hindu monkey-god, to find Sita on his behalf; the fact that in the Singkil it is Rama (Rajah Bantugan) who finds her suggests a modification of the original Hindu narration in order to agree with monotheistic Islamic ideology.

Kasingkil refers to the art of moving one’s feet in and out of two clicking bamboo poles in imitation of Putri Gandingan who gracefully avoided the falling trees brought about by an earthquake.[1]

Performers would therefore gracefully step in and out of bamboo poles, arranged in crisscross fashion while manipulating either fans or simply their bare hands.[2] Played at celebrations and festivals, traditionally the dance was performed by a girl of royal blood intend on advertising herself to would-be-suitors for her future marriage.

The dance is said to have been named after either the leg bracelets or anklets of silver, nickel or brass with chiming bells of the same name[1] or the act of voluntarily or accidentally entangling on one’s feet in either vines or tall grass.[2]

The mods should probably move this to heritage and photography board...

[dx]

April 28th, 2007, 03:38 AM

The Filipino expression, "Bahala na!" ("Whatever will be, will be!" — compare with que sera, sera) , is said to have its origin from the name, "Bathala"; which is derived from the Sanskrit Bhattara Guru, meaning "the highest of the gods". According to Paraluman S. Aspillera, a writer from the Philippines, the expression might have been altered throughout the ages. It might have originally been "Bathala na!" ("As God wills it!"), but was changed at one point in time. A modern fuller version of the phrase is "Bahala na ang Diyos!" and a comical version some would use is "Bahala na si Batman!".

From Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathala)

tigidig14

April 28th, 2007, 03:48 AM

chicken curry one of my favorites filipino dish but seem like it came from india
altho our version of curry is not red as what ive noticed from indian curry. pnoy chicken curry is yellow, which usually associate w/ coconut milk and ginger

diz

April 28th, 2007, 04:33 AM

Shouldn't this be in the Photography, Heritage and Architecture ?

TheAvenger

April 28th, 2007, 04:50 AM

One of the Indic influence in the Philippines is the descendant of Sepoy the Indian soldiers who were brought by the British to Philippines during their war with Spain in the 17th Century. Many of these Sepoy chose to stay here and intermarriage with the natives and most of them settled in Cainta Rizal. That's why many Pinoy were bumbay-looking. later on the newcomer Indian TNT chose to live in or near Cainta since the Pinoy in that place looks like them.

From wikipedia :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cainta,_Rizal

Geography
Cainta is bounded on the north by Marikina City and San Mateo, on the west by Pasig City, and on the east and south by Taytay. It lies in the Marikina Valley, is 10% rolling hills and 90% residential-industrial. It has the province's most number of rivers and streams. Historians claim that Cainta's old geographical boundaries encompassed the mountain slopes of Montalban. There is an ongoing dispute today over city limits and boundaries with its neighbor city Pasig.

The main road of Cainta is Ortigas Avenue, a heavily congested corridor that passes through the business district of Ortigas Center and leads to Mandaluyong City and San Juan in the west and the town of Taytay and Antipolo City in the east. Another main road is Felix Avenue (better known as Imelda Avenue) which runs across Ortigas Avenue that connects the town to Marikina City to the north and Taytay to the south. The point of intersection between the two main arterials is known simply as Junction. Bonifacio Avenue located in the town proper is the town's most frequently-traversed street.

[edit] Legend
Legend has it that once upon a time, there lived a woman by the name of Jacinta who was virtuous, kind and highly respected by the inhabitants of the town. After her death the townspeople decided to honor her by naming the town after her: "Ka Inta"--"Ka", an archaic Filipino title of respect and "Inta", a nickname for Jacinta.

[edit] People
According to the 2000 census, it has a population of 242,511 in 51,863 households. Its population consists of 80% Catholic, 10% Protestant, and 10% of various sects, including Iglesia ni Cristo, Muslim and others. The people of Cainta are mostly Tagalog-speaking Filipinos.

A considerable number of the population are descended from Indian soldiers who mutinied against the British Army when the British briefly occupied the Philippines in 1762 to 1763. These Indian soldiers called Sepoy settled in town and intermarried or cohabited with the town's native women. The Sepoy ancestry of Cainta is very visible today, particularly in Barrio Dayap near Brgy. Sto Nino. Their unique physical characteristics make them distinct from the average Filipinos who are primarily of Malay and Chinese origins.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t218/jibrael_2008/Sepoys.jpg

Sepoy soldiers of the British Empire

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Fusionist

April 30th, 2007, 01:41 AM

thanks for your replies :)

Most of the Indic influence you will find can be found in Islamic Philippines (mostly in Mindanao). You will barely find any in the Christian parts of the country, but most Filipino languages, despite three centuries of Spanish influence, still retain words of Sanskrit origin.

interesting. Does this mean there is a influence of this in defining the various dialects/languages of Philippines ?? Was there always different dialects in Phils ? Or was it these foreign influences that helps shape what are the various dialects now. For example in India, the Dravidian languages had a common history, but with influences of other languages ie. Sanskirt, they shifted apart and are totally different languages now with different writing system.

One of the Indic influence in the Philippines is the descendant of Sepoy the Indian soldiers who were brought by the British to Philippines during their war with Spain in the 17th Century

yes I think that is more recent history and well documented.. still an interesting chapter in defining your culture. However I a mlooking at earlier influences. The Majapahits ( Indianised state 113-16 century ) in Indonesia had some influence in the Papue Guinnea, but how about the Philippines ??

Askal82

April 30th, 2007, 02:20 AM

The majority of Filipinos still believe in the concept of Karma (or 'gaba' in Visayas) although 85% of the population is Christian. They have even adapted this idea in addition to the doctrines and teachings of the Catholic Church that God eventually punishes the sinners and rewards the righteous one way or another.

Askal82

April 30th, 2007, 02:21 AM

Shouldn't this be in the Photography, Heritage and Architecture ?

Yeah, I think threads pertaining to Filipino culture should be relocated under that category.

Askal82

April 30th, 2007, 02:25 AM

Louman

April 30th, 2007, 09:54 AM

Fusionist

April 30th, 2007, 03:19 PM

^^ I read somewhere that some of the sultanates in Mindanao are descendants of those fleeing the Portuguese colonization of Malacca (in Malaysia.) Malaysian culture has some Indic influences on it too, doesn't it?

Yes a lot. Cambodia, Champa, Malaya and the Javanese kingdoms had a lot of Indian influence mostly through trade and at some point evn colonisation. The Chola kings invaded parts of Kedah and set up an Indianised state Kedri which forms the backbone of the rise of the Sri Vijaya dynasty. Buddhism and Hinduism spread to SE Asia during these time. THe Majapahit kingdom ( considered to be the only kingdom that united parts of Indonesia under one banner prior to colonisation by the west ) ran a Hindu kingdom based in Java. With Islamic invasion the Hindu kingdom moved towards the east mainly to Bali ( which to date is a Hindu majority island ) and possibly influenced Papua and the Phils aswell.

Present day Indian influece in the Malay peninsula comes mostly from the Indian workers who were sent there to work inthe tea/rubber plantations under the British colonial rule.

TheAvenger

April 30th, 2007, 04:20 PM

Mount Mayapay
Looming southwest of the Agusan Valley is this majestic mountain plateau. It rises to 2,214 feet (675 m) above sea level. Mount Mayapay got its name from the ancient Madjapahit Empire. The history behind the Sri-Vishaya period bears much meaning and influence of Butuan's pre-historic and archeological discoveries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butuan_City

The Kingdom of Namayan can be considered as the precursor of modern Metro Manila. With its capital in Sapa, known today as Santa Ana, Namayan encompassed present-day City of Manila, Mandaluyong City, San Juan, Makati City, Pasay City, Pateros, Taguig and Parañaque City, now all parts of Metro Manila. It is said that in the 13th century a Namayan princess was given away in marriage to the heir of the Javanese Madjapahit Empire (1292-1478) and subsequently reigned as Empress Sasaban.

http://manilaph.ags.myareaguide.com/

HOW THEY CAME

The first trickle of Pampango settlers came from Indonesia around 300-200 B.C. By the 11th to 12th century, a mass exodus took place at the height of the Madjapahit era during which the empire embarked on a ruthless adventure that forced the smaller kingdoms to establish their own independent empires.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/4059/glorious.html

Majapahit 1292-1478
The successor state to Sri Vijaya, Majapahit, was founded in a bold string of treacheries. The son-in-law of the Singhasari king broke with his father-in-law to found the Hindu Majapahit kingdom in 1292. When Kublai Khan's punitive expedition arrived the next year, he allied his kingdom with the Mongols. On destroying his father-in-law with Mongol help, he immediately turned and slaughtered the Mongols.

Despite its promising start, the Javanese Majapahit empire would be relatively short-lived. It was founded just as the penetration of Muslim traders and proselytizers into the archipelago was gaining in strength. Majapahit was fortunate in having the services of Gajah Madah; an ambitious and determined Prime Minister and Regent. In his long career from 1331 to 1364, Gajah Madah brought Bali, Java and Sumatra effectively under Majapahit control. A few years after his death, the Majapahit navy took Palembang, the Sri Vijayan capital, and thus put the former empire to a definitive end in 1377; or so it seemed.

Majapahit was divided by a war of succession in 1401 that went on for four years. Weakened by internal dissension it could not stop the rising power of the Sultanate of Malacca. Majapahit continued to disintegrate and finally collapsed in 1478.

The imperial ambitions of the Indianized kingdoms of Java, Malaya and Sumatra concentrated mainly on gaining from their rivals a larger share of the commercial traffic that passed through the archipelago and the Straits. Territorial aggrandizement does not seem to have been the object of their rivalries. From time to time new settlements from Java (985, 1280 and 1387) were founded on Borneo. They have more the sporadic character of exiles forced to flee the vicissitudes of Javanese politics than a deliberate policy of imperial expansion.

Unlike the rapid and ubiquitous spread of Islam that was to follow, the influence of Hindic-Buddhist culture in the archipelago remained localized in the vicinity of the Straits.

http://www.ualberta.ca/~vmitchel/rev6.html

Agusan’s pre-Hispanic history was greatly influenced by the Madjapahit Empire. This can be attested to by the discovery of the Golden Tara in 1917 in one of its towns, Maasam in Esperanza. The 8-inch gold image was recovered at the Wawa River, a tributary of the Agusan River.

http://www.wowphilippines.com.ph/explore_phil/place_details.asp?content=history&province=104

Animo

April 30th, 2007, 04:49 PM

Some problem with the Singkil when perform by Christian Filipinos.

Beyond Asia versus West (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/mindfeeds/mindfeeds/view_article.php?article_id=34340)

If, however, we define authenticity as continuity with major patterns in early Austronesian culture, we may be pleasantly surprised. Filipinos, Malaysians, Indonesians, Micronesians, and Polynesians belong to what is called the Austronesian family of languages. Associated with this family is a complex of cultural traits that anthropologists have identified on the basis of studies of prehistory and of the culture of peoples that escaped Christianity, Islam, Confucianism, and Buddhism until fairly recently.

Some traits are the following: veneration of ancestral spirits; reverence for particular rocks, mountains, trees, bodies of water, and animals such as the snake and crocodile; a fondness for pigs and dogs; for men, the use of tattoos and loincloth; for women, a wraparound skirt; in kinship, equal rights among men and women in inheriting and transmitting property.

Both Islam and Christianity frown on the veneration of ancestral spirits and on reverence for aspects of nature. Islam despises both pigs and dogs as dirty, but Christianity does not. Both Islam and Christianity have discouraged tattooing and the use of loincloth as indecent. But while Islam considers the exposure of men’s thighs as indecent, Christianity does not. Both Christianity and Islam insist on covering women’s breasts. Some groups in Islam take the further step of covering a woman’s figure, including her hair, and even her face. But Christians let their women roam around with exposed hair, shoulders, arms, and thighs. Islam favors giving men a larger share of the parental inheritance. In contrast equal inheritance by both men and women is likewise a tradition in Western Christian societies, including Spain.

Traditional dancing in the Cordillera brings male and female performers together. This, too, is the case among lowland Christian Filipinos who often equate dancing with moving in rhythm with a partner of the opposite sex. In the tinikling, a man and a woman weave in and out of bamboo canes that players clap together in rhythm. Is this the case in the singkil? When danced correctly, the singkil should employ only female dancers, according to Usopay Camar, a Maranao scholar. In the Bayanihan version, made by Christian Filipinos for the stage, a prince stands on stage, brandishing a kris. This mixing of the sexes goes against Moslem tradition as practiced among the Maranao. Moreover, a Moslem man does not display his sword in front of women, nor bare his chest (Camar 1970, 45–51).

We turn to the tinikling. The Visayans, according to the dance scholar Edru Abraham (1993), used a Spanish dance form (the quick-paced jota with its complex footwork), when they choreographed their own version of the bamboo dance (which is found all over Southeast Asia), and composed a melody to accompany it. The Spanish jota, like the dances of the Ifugaos and the Kalingas and unlike those of the Maranao, encourages men and women to dance together. Who indeed is closer to the original, hypothetical Austronesian culture: the Christian Visayan or the Moslem Maranao?

athan

May 1st, 2007, 11:12 PM

The Laguna Copperplate inscription, found 1989 in Laguna de Bay, in the metroplex of Manila, Philippines, has inscribed on it a date of Saka era 822, corresponding to April 21, 900 CE according to Vedic astronomy, containing words from Sanskrit, old Javanese, old Malay and old Tagalog, releasing its bearer, Namwaran, from a debt in gold. The document mentions the places of Tondo, Pila and Pulilan in the area around Manila Bay and Medan, Indonesia. It shows the strong links present between the Tagalog speaking people of this time and the Srivijaya empire in Java. This document rests in the National Museum of the Philippines.

LCI transliteration
Swasti Shaka warsatita 822 Waisaka masa di(ng) jyotisa. Caturthi Krisnapaksa somawara sana tatkala Dayang Angkatan lawan dengan nya sanak barngaran si Bukah anak da dang Hwan Namwaran dibari waradana wi shuddhapattra ulih sang pamegat senapati di Tundun barja(di) dang Hwan Nayaka tuhan Pailah Jayadewa.

Di krama dang Hwan Namwaran dengan dang kayastha shuddha nu diparlappas hutang da walenda Kati 1 Suwarna 8 dihadapan dang Huwan Nayaka tuhan Puliran Kasumuran.

dang Hwan Nayaka tuhan Pailah barjadi ganashakti. Dang Hwan Nayaka tuhan Binwangan barjadi bishruta tathapi sadana sanak kapawaris ulih sang pamegat dewata [ba]rjadi sang pamegat Medang dari bhaktinda diparhulun sang pamegat. Ya makanya sadanya anak cucu dang Hwan Namwaran shuddha ya kapawaris dihutang da dang Hwan Namwaran di sang pamegat Dewata.

Ini grang syat syapanta ha pashkat ding ari kamudyan ada grang urang barujara welung lappas hutang da dang Hwa

English translation
Long Live! Year of Saka 822, month of Waisakha, according to astronomy. The fourth day of the waning moon, Monday. On this occasion, Lady Angkatan, and her brother whose name is Bukah, the children of the Honourable Namwaran, were awarded a document of complete pardon from the Commander in Chief of Tundun, represented by the Lord Minister of Pailah, Jayadewa.

By this order, through the scribe, the Honourable Namwaran has been forgiven of all and is released from his debts and arrears of 1 Katî and 8 Suwarna before the Honourable Lord Minister of Puliran Kasumuran by the authority of the Lord Minister of Pailah.

Because of his faithful service as a subject of the Chief, the Honourable and widely renowned Lord Minister of Binwangan recognized all the living relatives of Namwaran who were claimed by the Chief of Dewata, represented by the Chief of Medang.

Yes, therefore the living descendants of the Honourable Namwaran are forgiven, indeed, of any and all debts of the Honourable Namwaran to the Chief of Dewata.

This, in any case, shall declare to whomever henceforth that on some future day should there be a man who claims that no release from the debt of the Honourable...

The copper scroll differs in manufacture from the Javanese scrolls of the time in that the words are embossed into the plate, rather than being inscribed onto a heated, softened scroll of metal.

http://www.bibingka.com/dahon/lci/lci.gif

Rajah_Soliman

May 2nd, 2007, 12:13 AM

^^ this was one of the most discussed topics among pinoys during the early days of the internet... i think so many good articles were written about the LCI (which was translated by a Dutch) in Tanikalang Ginto, etc..... oh I really miss some of those intelligent and pioneer guys there ..... :cheers:

bitoy

May 2nd, 2007, 12:31 AM

^^ They are here... :)

Rajah_Soliman

May 2nd, 2007, 12:34 AM

^^ are you the IBM guy who wrote articles about Kudlit and the old Tagalog phonology? :)

Louman

May 2nd, 2007, 12:39 AM

You know what, I just noticed the greeting in the Laguna copperplate (swasti) is similar to the greeting Thais make (sawatdee or sawasdee). Imagine if we still used that greeting today instead of mabuhay. hehe.

Rajah_Soliman

May 2nd, 2007, 12:46 AM

^^ the dutch "transliterator" believes that the words found on the LCI were unintelligible to the Indonesians (although they were to be considered cognate)...

bitoy

May 2nd, 2007, 12:52 AM

^^ are you the IBM guy who wrote articles about Kudlit and the old Tagalog phonology? :)

No, but since I was taking some Asian culture class in LA, I came upon some discussion boards about that also.
And here are some nice links about our ancient history.

http://homepage.mac.com/paulmorrow/titles/baybayin.gif (http://homepage.mac.com/paulmorrow/baylinks.htm) <-- Click this

Askal82

May 2nd, 2007, 01:50 AM

bitoy

May 2nd, 2007, 11:09 AM

There were many blank spots in the history of the Pre Hispanic Philippines. For one thing, the writing system used on the Laguna copperplate inscription which was considered to be more advanced than the baybayin system died out long before the European colonization. No other documents were retrieved showing us how the evolution of baybayin system came out from this inscription nor other factors that causes them to cease from general usage.

No one can tell what really happened during the Spanish and American occupation, we can only assume that there were more written history or documents that our ancestors have written all over in the different islands. The friars were well known to destroy those conquered ancient artifacts and some could have been sent back to Spain as war booties or as presents to the king and queen.

athan

May 2nd, 2007, 11:17 PM

Another probable cause for the disappearance of these artifacts that could have better explained our pre-hispanic roots is that MOST of our literature then (alibata or otherwise) were carved on bamboo or other wood pieces which were susceptible to fire, termites and decay. It's like the old kingdom of Rajah Soliman in Manila that was built entirely of wood (bahay kubo's, etc) and was said to have been burned down by the rajah himself upon Spanish arrival leaving us with no clue on what the culture and way of life was really back then.

kiretoce

June 8th, 2007, 10:12 PM

Bump! :colgate:

kiretoce

June 8th, 2007, 10:14 PM

Bump! :colgate:

MilkyXplosion

June 9th, 2007, 02:29 AM

<< Half Filipino-------------------------->and Half Filipina :D

kiretoce

June 9th, 2007, 04:17 AM

^^ You a tranny? :rofl: :jk: :nocrook:

TheAvenger

June 9th, 2007, 06:16 AM

I am half devil and a half saint :)

bukid

June 9th, 2007, 07:35 AM

i'm a mongrel. :)

WawaY[625]

June 9th, 2007, 07:50 AM

may kilala ako

Half Filipino, Half Aso

bukid

June 9th, 2007, 07:56 AM

^parang hindi yata nagmatch yung dalawa. :)

tigidig14

June 9th, 2007, 08:03 AM

madami akong naging kaibigang half nog half nog

WawaY[625]

June 9th, 2007, 08:07 AM

OT

tigs ano nga pangalan nung Chikas na nakilala natin sa Apo View Hotel?

tigidig14

June 9th, 2007, 08:12 AM

d ko na recall e
sasabihin ko dapat joyce pero yun yata pangalan ng syota mo haha

dattebayo

June 9th, 2007, 10:17 AM

ako 100% filipino pero napapag kamalang mexican. :lol: :lol: everytime na may makakasalubong akong mexican, sasabihin sakin OLA! :lol:

amigo32

June 9th, 2007, 10:59 AM

Sabihin mo, my name is not ola. hehehe

Insanedriver

June 9th, 2007, 11:17 AM

<<half insane

amigo32

June 9th, 2007, 11:55 AM

i'm one and a half.

oz.fil

June 9th, 2007, 12:16 PM

I have a mix...

Spanish, Mexican, Filipino
Once, at school this filo dude made a joke in tagalog and i laughed and he was like =O "You understand?" im like "Yeah... why?" and he was like "I thought you were like Mexican or something!" :lol:

Im trying to make a family tree to find out my ancestry hehe

MilkyXplosion

June 9th, 2007, 02:01 PM

^^ You a tranny? :rofl: :jk: :nocrook:

Nope mine is still well intact! :D :lol:

gen1

June 9th, 2007, 02:23 PM

Ever notice that a pinoy and foreigner union seem to always produce the prettiest half pinay chickadees.

I mean kahit iyong mga maitim na mukhang labandera na nag asawa ng australyanong kalbo at malaki ang tiyan, katakam-takam ang mga nagiging anak :)

pansin ko lang ito sa mga nakakasabay ko sa domestic flight.

MNL

June 9th, 2007, 02:49 PM

^^ :lol::lol::lol: oo nga! pansin ko rin yun! Kaya tignan mo yung mga hottest stars natin ngayon, lahat mixed!:lol:

kiretoce

June 9th, 2007, 02:53 PM

^^ That's because the mindset of the masses automatically thinks that Filipinos of mixed heritage are a step above native-looking Filipinos. People should change these stereotypes and learn to appreciate that beauty comes in all forms.

smokingunmanila

June 9th, 2007, 02:54 PM

I am half devil and a half saint :)

NOT! the latter doesn't apply

smokingunmanila

June 9th, 2007, 02:55 PM

Hindi naman lahat ng mix eh may itsura..marami din lumabas pangit..same thing with no mix race..may pangit at may itsura...

Bakit ako walang mix..may itsura:banana: :nuts:

MNL

June 9th, 2007, 03:02 PM

^^ Kapal ha!:lol::jk: Ako rin walang mix pero maganda!:lol::lol::jk:

kiretoce

June 9th, 2007, 03:02 PM

Bakit ako walang mix..may itsura:banana: :nuts:

Pangit lang nga! :lol: Just kidding! :jk: Peace bro! :nocrook:

amigo32

June 9th, 2007, 03:15 PM

maganda talaga kahit anong hayop, basta hi-breed. hehehe

Insanedriver

June 9th, 2007, 04:33 PM

^^ Kapal ha!:lol::jk: Ako rin walang mix pero maganda!:lol::lol::jk:

inday's exotic beauty :lol:
:jk:

Askal82

June 9th, 2007, 09:44 PM

^^ :lol::lol::lol: oo nga! pansin ko rin yun! Kaya tignan mo yung mga hottest stars natin ngayon, lahat mixed!:lol:

Yeupz, they comprised of a minute percentage of the population yet are overrepresented in the showbiz industry.

le Reine

June 9th, 2007, 10:12 PM

ano kaya ako? hmm... let me see sabi ng lola ko I have 1/2 spanish blood, 1/8 chinese and the rest is indigenous/Malay whatever... hindi nga lang ako naniniwala... ahahaha.. at hindi naman ako mukhang spanish so... di bale na lang... Nga pala, anyone from Tarlac? Have you heard the surname Castaneda?

Insanedriver

June 9th, 2007, 11:07 PM

^^ yes! someone from Angelicum COllege...
i know, i'm familiar with that

TheAvenger

June 10th, 2007, 06:18 AM

paternal side :
great-great grandfather : half native & half Hitler daw
great grandmother : half native & half chinese

maternal side :
great grandfather : half native & half spanish and half chinese yata
grandmother : native tagalog

smokingunmanila

June 10th, 2007, 06:36 AM

inday's exotic beauty :lol:
:jk:

hahahaha...exotic beauty..yun ba yung tawag sa hindi mo ma classify ang beauty? hahahahaha:lol:

Insanedriver

June 10th, 2007, 08:01 AM

^^ no not really ;)
hindi naman ako ganun kasama...

gen1

June 10th, 2007, 08:07 AM

manileño

June 10th, 2007, 08:17 AM

@XP i knew it! manny castañeda's your tita. :lol: j/k
(you know that gay comedian from Palibhasa Lalake that's like 10 million years ago :D )

and Tarlac.. you must be from Paniqui... ? :lol: j/k
Anyway, para hindi OT (haha) maraming half-filipina dito. :colgate:

kyle@1008

June 11th, 2007, 02:12 AM

there is a need to discuss this,... because before the spanish came we already had a "rich " culture ,.. and like the greeks , and the hindus, we had our own mythologies, legend and such of heroes , gods and magical creatures....so post away folks..

kyle@1008

June 11th, 2007, 02:14 AM

ancient visayan story of creation..

This is an ancient Visayan account of creation.

Thousands of years ago, there was no land, sun, moon, or stars, and the world was only a great sea of water, above which stretched the sky. The water was the kingdom of the god Maguayan, and the sky was ruled by the great god, Kaptan.

Maguayan had a daughter called Lidagat, the sea, and Kaptan had a son known as Lihangin, the wind. The gods agreed to the marriage of their children, so the sea became the bride of the wind.

A daughter and three sons were born to them. The sons were called Likalibutan, Liadlao, and Libulan, and the daughter received the name of Lisuga.

Likalibutan had a body of rock and was strong and brave; Liadlao was formed of gold and was always happy; Libulan was made of copper and was weak and timid; and the beautiful Lisuga had a body of pure silver and was sweet and gentle. Their parents were very fond of them, and nothing was wanting to make them happy.

After a time Lihangin died and left the control of the winds to his eldest son Likalibutan. The faithful wife Lidagat soon followed her husband, and the children, now grown up, were left without father or mother. However, their grandfathers, Kaptan and Maguayan, took care of them and guarded them from all evil.

After some time, Likalibutan, proud of his power over the winds, resolved to gain more power, and asked his brothers to join him in an attack on Kaptan in the sky above. They refused at first, but when Likalibutan became angry with them, the amiable Liadlao, not wishing to offend his brother, agreed to help. Then together they induced the timid Libulan to join in the plan.

When all was ready, the three brothers rushed at the sky, but they could not beat down the gates of steel that guarded the entrance. Likalibutan let loose the strongest winds and blew the bars in every direction. The brothers rushed into the opening, but were met by the angry god Kaptan. So terrible did he look that they turned and ran in terror, but Kaptan, furious at the destruction of his gates, sent three bolts of lightning after them.

The first struck the copper Libulan and melted him into a ball. The second struck the golden Liadlao and he too was melted. The third bolt struck Likalibutan and his rocky body broke into many pieces and fell into the sea. So huge was he that parts of his body stuck out above the water and became what is known as land.

In the meantime the gentle Lisuga had missed her brothers and started to look for them. She went toward the sky, but as she approached the broken gates, Kaptan, blind with anger, struck her too with lightning, and her silver body broke into thousands of pieces.

Kaptan then came down from the sky and tore the sea apart, calling on Maguayan to come to him and accusing him of ordering the attack on the sky. Soon Maguayan appeared and answered that he knew nothing of the plot as he had been asleep deep in the sea. After some time, he succeeded in calming the angry Kaptan. Together they wept at the loss of their grandchildren, especially the gentle and beautiful Lisuga, but even with their powers, they could not restore the dead back to life. However, they gave to each body a beautiful light that will shine forever.

And so it was the golden Liadlao who became the sun and the copper Libulan, the moon, while Lisuga's pieces of silver were turned into the stars of heaven. To wicked Likalibutan, the gods gave no light, but resolved to make his body support a new race of people. So Kaptan gave Maguayan a seed and he planted it on one of the islands.

Soon a bamboo tree grew up, and from the hollow of one of its branches, a man and a woman came out. The man's name was Sikalak and the woman was called Sikabay. They were the parents of the human race. Their first child was a son whom they called Libo; afterwards they had a daughter who was known as Saman.

Pandaguan, the youngest son, was very clever and invented a trap to catch fish. The very first thing he caught was a huge shark. When he brought it to land, it looked so great and fierce that he thought it was surely a god, and he at once ordered his people to worship it. Soon all gathered around and began to sing and pray to the shark. Suddenly the sky and sea opened, and the gods came out and ordered Pandaguan to throw the shark back into the sea and to worship none, but them.

All were afraid except Pandaguan. He grew very bold and answered that the shark was as big as the gods, and that since he had been able to overpower it he would also be able to conquer the gods. Then Kaptan, hearing this, struck Pandaguan with a small lightning bolt, for he did not wish to kill him but merely to teach him a lesson. Then he and Maguayan decided to punish these people by scattering them over the earth, so they carried some to one land and some to another. Many children were afterwards born, and thus the earth became inhabited in all parts.

Pandaguan did not die. After lying on the ground for thirty days he regained his strength, but his body was blackened from the lightning, and his descendants became the dark-skinned tribe, the Negritos.

As punishment, his eldest son, Aryon, was taken north where the cold took away his senses. While Libo and Saman were carried south, where the hot sun scorched their bodies. A son of Saman and a daughter of Sikalak were carried east, where the land at first was so lacking in food that they were compelled to eat clay.

kyle@1008

June 12th, 2007, 06:39 AM

here's a list of some filipino pre-hispanic gods...

Bathala — also known formally as Bathalang Maykapal or Maykapal for short and by the Cebuano people as Abba — is the Tagalogs chief god that is the creator of the universe and humanity

Apo Laki is the Tagalog god of the sun and lord of war. He is the son of Bathala and brother of Mayari, but in the other myth his sister is Dian Masalanta and his parents were Anagolay and Dumakulem. He is identified to the Pangasinense god Ama/Apo-Kaoley, he is called by some people as Adlaw but actually it is a Visayan word for "Sun" just like his sister Mayari (who is called Bulan).

Mayari is the ancient Tagalog goddess and protector of the moon, one-eyed but extremely beautiful. She is the daughter of Bathala and sister of Tala and Apolake. Apolake and Mayari once got into argument about who would be the better ruler of the world. Apolake referred to his male strengths and Mayari insisted on equal rights. The dispute intensified and the two started to hit each other with wooden bars. Mayari received a blow on her face and was blinded on one eye. Apolake was very sorry for his deed and he offered her friendship and mutual change in the power over the world and Mayari agreed.

Dian Masalanta is the ancient Tagalogs goddess of love, pregnancy, childbirth. But in the other myth, she is the daughter of Anagolay and Dumakulem with Apo lake, the god of war, her brother.

Lakapati (Ikapati, Lakanpati) is the ancient Tagalogs deity of fertility and cultivated fields, a hermaphrodite. (S)He is also the protector of crops and farm animals. As Ikapati she is a great mother goddess for the Tagalogs, her name means "giver of food" and her worshippers pray for her to protect them from starvation. She protects the growing food and animals for her people who acknowledge her and provides abundance during the harvest. In other myths, she is a consort of Bathala/Abba (both of them were sometimes viewed as hermaphrodite), and was first responsible for the creation of the universe. It was thought that she started creating the universe, but it was Bathala who finished it. During the early period of Spanish Colonialization, Lakapati was used by evangelists as a native equivalent for the Holy Spirit.

Lakan Bakod is the ancient Tagalog god of fences, Loarca explains, and was approached by the tagalogs to keep their fences strong.

Anitun Tabu is the Tagalog goddess of the wind and rain.

Idianalé (Idianalo, Ideale) is the ancient Tagalogs goddess of works and good actions. She is invoke by the ancient Tagalog people for guidance and success in their workings, even the farmers call upon her for help and protection that is why she is also worshipped as a goddess of agriculture specially animal hunsbandry. She is said to be a favorite deity of the Katalonans(ancient Tagalog priestess or priest).

Tadaklan is the Tinguian god of thunder, as worshiped by those people of central Luzon.

Kimat is the lightning dog, owned by Tadaklan. When Kimat attacks, he comes down from heaven and bites whatever it is aimed at.

Kaptan is the ancient Visayan sky god, for those people who still believe in him. In mythology, he is often shown as the sibling of Maguayen, who is the god of the sea.

Kan-Laon(Lalahon) is the southern Visayan supreme deity, especially in the island of Negros where his abode is Mt. Kanlaon.

Gugurang is the Bicolano chief god and keeper of a sacred fire atop Mt. Mayon.

Aswang is the Bicolano god of evil, where he is both the brother and enemy to Gugurang.

Haliya is the Bicolano goddess of the moon and protector of women

Manila-X

June 13th, 2007, 11:32 AM

One thing I noticed with todays trend are alot of the candidates for major Philippine beauty pageants are balikbayans or overseas Filipinas. Not just balikbayans but also those who are half-Filipina.

This is not only limited to beauty pageants but other events as well such as competitions and sports. In the PBA for example, there are several b-ball players who are Filipino-Americans.

Especially Filipinos who are born and raised overseas and don't not have the character and personality of the locals. Also those who carry foreign passports and are not Philippine citizens or passport holders but are of Filipino descent.

Are you in favour of having overseas Pinays represent The Philippines in an international beauty pageant instead of local ones or do you prefer Filipino-Americans or overseas Filipinos composed the Philippine team in a major sporting event say The Olympics?

Should the country be promoting local talents, athletes or beauty queens?

ravenhawk

June 13th, 2007, 12:28 PM

Well as they say being Filipino is in the heart and never in the genes. But if someone is going to represent Philippines in a foreign pageant she must definitely must have a strong knowledge about our culture and our own country. I remember I have a half-German friend who wanted to join Bb. Pilipinas but was rejected during the Audition because she looked so foreign already since her mom is a mestiza pinay,and her hair is blonde. She never set foot outside the Philippines and probably was more knowledgable about our country than most brown skinned Phil-Am candidates who couldn't utter anything in Filipino, sayang matalino pa naman,nag model na lang tuloy sa Australia

Peugeot206

June 13th, 2007, 01:38 PM

I'm sorting out my own personal recognition as a Filipino citizen having been born to Philippine parents in Canada.

Personally, I'm all for it as the main reason I'm doing it is to compete for the Philippines in fencing at international competitions, and later, at the veteran level because there are probably less than five who would be eligible to do so. Right now, I compete under either Canadian or British colours.

I've never drawn any support, financial or otherwise, from the Philippine government so my representing the Philippine is certainly not detriment to other Philippine fencers in the Philippines.

I've trained with the Philippine national fencing team for several months and I know I'm in no position to dislodge the top four fencers nor ever will be, so it's not an issue of stealing glory from native-born Philippine fencers as well.

My motivation is simply a little bit of nationalism and to provide a bit of exposure to Philippine fencing. Fencing in the Philippines has a long tradition and the team is consistently the strongest in SE Asia. On the British circuit, most SE Asian representation is from Malaysia, Singapore, HK, and Brunei which is rather obvious as they were all former British colonies.

In the objective sense, considering the goal of the largest volume of high sporting results with minimum cost, permitting Filipinos from abroad to compete is efficient as they have access to more funding, better facilities, and more competitions at no expense to the Philippine government.

For certain niche sports, the opportunity to participate does not even exist in the Philippines; much less excel at the international level. There was a Philippine downhill skier from Cornell at some Winter Olympics, I believe.

Funnily enough, the Philippines does have some of the best training infrastructure for fencing in SE Asia, as told to me by some Vietnamese and Cambodian fencers from France.

I used to row eights at a reasonably high level as well, and it was nice to see Philippine rowers dominate the SEA Games as well despite a lack of facilities and non-existent grassroots club support to get more young talent into the sport.

The strength of sporting programmes in wealthy nations is the presence of infrastructure to get children involved in a particular sport whilst young and provide them with support commensurate with their talent as they age and improve.

Insanedriver

June 13th, 2007, 01:40 PM

why not...
at least they're still filipino right?

kiretoce

June 13th, 2007, 06:05 PM

Are you in favour of having overseas Pinays represent The Philippines in an international beauty pageant instead of local ones or do you prefer Filipino-Americans or overseas Filipinos composed the Philippine team in a major sporting event say The Olympics?

That's like saying that only Native American Indians can only represent the USA in international sporting events and beauty pageants, and all other immigrants are banned or barred from joining since they aren't indigenous. :ohno:

The Philippines is multicultural society, one cannot exclude a segment of society just because they are of mix heritage and ancestry. Foreign-born nationals are just as important, and can positively contribute to a country's cause or aim to make it in these competitions.

Rajah_Soliman

June 13th, 2007, 10:16 PM

^^ can you cite your sources, thanks.

[dx]

June 14th, 2007, 03:07 AM

OK lang. I'd rather have foreign-bred Pinoys and half-Pinoys represent our country rather than see them compete for the benefit of another country.
'Di ba nakakahinayang 'pag ganun?

Manila-X

June 14th, 2007, 04:49 AM

That's like saying that only Native American Indians can only represent the USA in international sporting events and beauty pageants, and all other immigrants are banned or barred from joining since they aren't indigenous. :ohno:

The Philippines is multicultural society, one cannot exclude a segment of society just because they are of mix heritage and ancestry. Foreign-born nationals are just as important, and can positively contribute to a country's cause or aim to make it in these competitions.

Yes it is a multicultural society. But some of them especially Filipino Americans don't have the character of the locals. But again would you let a foreign-bred Pinay represent Philippines in a foreign beauty pageant if she has the looks but doesn't have the knowledge or the character of the local Filipina?

Actually the reason why brought up this topic is because a Filipina from California won Mutya Ng Pilipinas at one point. Her character is more of a Fil-Am than a local Pinay. At another point, there was a Canadian of Filipina descent who competed for Miss Universe but she represented The Maple Leaf and not The 3 stars and a sun.

manileño

June 14th, 2007, 04:59 AM

Manila-X

June 14th, 2007, 05:04 AM

^ what's the true character of a local Filipina anyway? don't we in the philippines through our education and legislation always try to emulate America?

foreign bread or not
as long as they bring home the bred. :)

It's more how they act or their attitude. The local may be Americanized but you can tell the difference between a local Filipino and a Fil-Am by character.

A friend of mine had a Fil-Am gf. Pero hindi sya natuwa. Hindi daw masyadong malambing o sweet katulad ng mahahanap mo sa isang local na Pinay ;)

manileño

June 14th, 2007, 05:27 AM

^ i doubt these kind of stuff could even be brought up in competitions and pageants. Unless its the big brother type. :D

Risk Taker

June 14th, 2007, 05:59 AM

It's more how they act or their attitude. The local may be Americanized but you can tell the difference between a local Filipino and a Fil-Am by character.

A friend of mine had a Fil-Am gf. Pero hindi sya natuwa. Hindi daw masyadong malambing o sweet katulad ng mahahanap mo sa isang local na Pinay ;)

stereotyping again of pinay...there are malambing and of course not malambing pinay. and btw is sweetness one of the criteria to join the contest?

for me as long as they (foreign breed) can pass the criteria for these pageants they can represent Philippines.

flesh_is_weak

June 14th, 2007, 06:10 AM

why not? after all, arent we the boiling pot of eastern and western culture?

Wind Shear

June 14th, 2007, 06:49 AM

Filipino is just a citizenship, not a ethnic group or race. Only retards will say that.

bitoy

June 14th, 2007, 07:13 AM

Foreign born Filipinos who acquire their Filipino citizenships should be able to represent the Philippines in any major event or competition unless there are some strict rules on residency.

(Foreign bred sounds like kuliling to my ears, parang hindi bagay pakinggan when applied to humans.) :lol:

Just my 25 cents!

Askal82

June 14th, 2007, 07:22 AM

may pedigree siguro. :lol:

bariQ

June 14th, 2007, 07:25 AM

Gusto ko sana yung taga Pinas talaga! kase sumusobra na yata yung parati nalang half pinoy! parang 80million yata population natin! d ba sila makakakta ng pinoy grassroots?

Manila-X

June 14th, 2007, 07:35 AM

Louman

June 14th, 2007, 07:43 AM

why not? after all, aren't we the boiling pot of eastern and western culture?

The problem isn't what our culture is made of, but from what I seen so far, a lot of Filipinos born overseas don't know much about their homeland. Particularly, in the US, there are no schools (that I know of, anyway) that teach any Filipino language and culture to the community, especially to kids and teens, unlike the communities of the Japanese and Chinese. Here's an example:

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This is suppose to be a celebration of our independence but all I see is American hip hop. Yes, there are videos of people doing arnis/kali/escrima but I wish they were singing Filipino songs and put more emphasis to traditional Filipino dances instead of American hip hop. Only once have I seen a local "no name" Filipino band sing a Filipino song (they sang "Awit ng Kabataan" by Rivermaya btw and did a good job of it.).

I think any foreign born Filipinos entering these local beauty pageants should be instantly disqualified if they don't know who Jose Rizal is and why he was executed.

Matteo

June 14th, 2007, 07:50 AM

^ o i like that song awit ng kabataan

kyle@1008

June 14th, 2007, 12:37 PM

other gods...^^ I spread my sources, there seems to be a bit of confusion in this topic, some I got from the book, the filipino nation by Dr. de leon, some form wikipedia , some from a book by Dr. Lopez-gonzaga on negros, I sift myself through this...

Amanikable - God of Hunters.
Amihan - North Wind.
Anitan - Guardian of lightning.
Anitun Tabu (Anitong Tao) - Goddess of wind and rain.
Apolake - God of war, guardian of the sun.
Bakonawa - Celestial Serpent, devourer of sun and moon.
Bathala - Supreme god of the ancient Tagalogs.
Dian Masalanta - Goddess of love.
Hukluban - Goddess of death.
Idianale - Goddess of agriculture and husbandry.
Ikapati/Lakan Pati - Goddess of fields, fertility, and lands.
Kalinga - God of Thunder.
Kan-Laon - Ancient Visayan god, king of time.
Lalahon - Goddess which resides in Mt. Kanlaon. Bringer of famine if unappeased.
Manggagaway - Goddess of sickness.
Mangkukulam - God of fire.
Manisilat - God of broken homes.
Maria Makiling - Protector of Mt. Makiling.
Mayari/Bulan - Lunar goddess.
Magwayen - Ferryman of the dead.
Tala - God/Goddess of the stars.
Mandangan- God of War
Mabuyan/ Bai Bulan - Godess of the underworld

this is the more complete version ...

Bathala (Badhala, Batala, Bathla, Bathaluman (feminine), Maykapal, Bathalang Maykapal, Abba) - Chief god of the Tagalogs. He created the celestial fire (the Sun) and created humanity. Others viewed him as a hermaphroditic deity, a child god, an old wise man with three eyes that sees everything, a blue-bird called tigmamanukin. Bathala also known as Abba (cebuano) is possibly been worshipped by the visayan. In the Invocation to Bathala sung by the priestess called babaylan, mentioned, Bathala the source of all creations, in your hands lies Maniliw the witch, and in your chest comes out the creator Lulid Amo that can make darkness darker than the night.

Kan-Laon - The supreme god of the Southern Visayans, especially in the island of Negros. His abode is Mt. Kanlaon.

Gugurang - Chief god of the Bicolanos.

Aswang- The god of evil, brother and enemy of Gugurang.

Haliya- The Bicol goddess of the moon. She is known for having a cult of women during pre-hispanic times.

Kabunian (Lumawig) - Supreme deity among the Ifugao tribe. His palace is said to be at the peak of Mount Pulag, in the Northern Cordilleras.

Kaptan - For most of the ancient Visayans, he is the supreme deity who dwells in the sky.

Anitun Tabu - The tagalog fickle-minded goddess of wind and rain.

Tadaklan - The god of thunder, said by the Tinguian people of central Luzon.

Kimat - The lightning dog, owned by Tadaklan. It is said that when Kimat "bites," he comes down from heaven and bites whatever it is aimed at.

Aman Sinaya - Primordial Tagalog goddess of the Sea and patron/protector of fishermen.

Amihan- Personification of the "North Wind".

Amanikable - The god of the sea among the Manobo tribe.

Maguayan - The sea deity of the ancient Visayans. He/She is also believed to be the ferryman of the dead in Sulad (hell).

Bakonawa - Tagalog serpent-god. He is the ruler of Kasanaan (the Underworld) and is the mortal enemy of Bathala. Natives believe he is the cause of an eclipse.

Sidapa - The god of death. He is said to reside on top of Mt.Madia-as, in the province of Antique.

Siginaugan - The god of the underworld.

Dian Masalanta - The goddess of love, pregnancy, child birth, and peace among the ancient Tagalogs. She is the daughter of Dumakulem and Anagolay, and Apolake the god of war is her brother. Ever since the arrival of the Spanish, she has been known by the name, Maria Makiling, after her mountain.

Dal'lang - The goddess of beauty. She bestows the gift of beauty to her followers.

Mayari (Bulan) - The ancient Tagalog one eyed but the most beautiful goddess and protector of the moon, daughter of Bathala and sister of Tala and Apolake. Apolake and Mayari got into argument, who would be the better autocrat over the world. Apolake reffered to his male stregnths and Mayari insisted an equal rights. The disputes intensified and the two started to beat each other with wooden bars. Mayari recieved a blow on her face and got blind on one eye, Apolake was very sorry for his deed and he offered her friendship and mutual change in the power over the world and Mayari agreed.

Tala - Tagalog goddess of the stars. Daughter of Bathala, sister of Mayari and Adlaw.

Apolake (Adlaw) - The Tagalog/Panggasinan god of the sun and lord of war. He is the son of Bathala and brother of Mayari , but in other myth his sister is Dian Masalanta and his parent is Anagolay and Dumakulem.

Sinukuan - The deity of the sun, who is said to dwell on Mt. Arayat in the province of Pampanga.

Malyari - The god of strength and bravery. He is the Filipino counterpart of Hercules. Also known as Bernardo Karpio, he was the son of Bathala to a mortal woman. He was trapped in between two clashing mountains by the gods, as punishment for his pride and selfish attitude.

Lakapati (Ikapati, Lakanpati) - The hemaphrodite deity of fertility and cultivated fields among the ancient Tagalogs. He/She is also the protector of crops and farm animals. As Ikapati she is a great mother goddess for the tagalogs, her name means "giver of food" and her worshipper pray for her to protect them from starvation. She protects the growing food and animals for her people who acknowledge her and provides abundance during the harvest. In other myths she is a consort of Bathala/Abba (both of them were sometimes viewed as hermaphrodite), and responsible for the first creation of the universe. She begin the creation and Bathala finished it.

Idianalé (Idianalo, Ideale) - The goddess of agriculture and husbandry for the ancient Tagalogs. She is the protector of farmers. Other legends told that she is also a goddess of death, so it is possible that she and Hukluban are one goddess. Hukluban is a tagalog word for crone.

Lalahon - The Visayan goddess of fire, volcanoes, and harvest. In ancient times, natives blamed her for sending armies of locusts to destroy their harvest. They offer her gifts, in order to please her and prevent her from doing this.

Halmista - The Visayan god of magic. It has been said that he was a former priest (or baylan) who turned into a god. He is the father of Deltise and Kilawnea.

Mandarangan - The goddess/spirit of war in Bagobo mythology.

Hanan - The tagalog goddess of morning and charming sister of Mayari.

Sitan- The tagalog god of afterlife and guard of Kasanaan (realm of the evil anitos known as manggalo) with the help of his follower gods Hukluban(death), Manggagaway(sicknes), Mangkukulam(fire), and Manisilat(destroyer of love).

Hukluban- the tagalog strong metamorphic goddess of death and one of Sitan's helper. Her name is a tagalog word for crone.

Manisalat- the tagalog god of broken homes and destroyer of love. His followers were also called manisalat, a kind of witch that can sow quarrel between spouses and lovers, and can prevent them from having sexual intercourse.

Mangkukulam- is a tagalog god of fire and one of Sitan's helper. His followers were also called mangkukulam, a type of witch that is believed to have the power to create and manipulate fire or use fire in their magic to curse.

Manggagaway- the tagalog goddess of sickness and one of Sitan's helper. She is responsible for the occurence of the disease.She is said to disguise herself as a healer, roaming the countryside not to heal but to induce maladies with her charms. Her followers were were witches or medicince women which is also called manggagaway, that has the ability to cure or induce sickness using their earth-wisdom for herbal healing or poisoning.

bukid

June 14th, 2007, 12:52 PM

i believe the important requirement should be citizenship. when you represent the philippines in other countries, you represent the nation not the race. so whether you are spanish, german, irish, chinese, indian, pacific islander descent, you can qualify to represent the philippines because you have the filipino citizenship.

kyle@1008

June 14th, 2007, 01:26 PM

... when I was researching .. i found that there were disparaties regarding laon...or "old one"

according to some sources Laon was the supreme deity of the visayas, and to some sources it was actually a chief goddess,..but as I progressed I soon found that Laon was being confused for Lalahon, the goddes of fire , volcanoes and famine, who according to legend resided in Mt. Canlaon in Negros. Some animist still leave offerings to her to this day. the ancient name of Mt. Canlaon was Kang-laon or "home of the ancient ones".. Canlaon in effect was sort of a mt. Olympus... the supreme god's name is kan-laon , who is the king of time.,.. the confusion seems to arouse form them resideing in the same place....

so in short...

kan-laon is the supreme deity, the king of time...
lalahon- is the goddes of fire and volcanoes...
kang-laon is their home...
Laon is an honorific, refered to the gods (ancient, old one)

if anyone knows more about this topic, please do post....

smokingunmanila

June 14th, 2007, 01:38 PM

Again if USA, Canada, Norway, Japan, Australia, etc are doing it..then why not us? ano ito...nationalism ek ek again...etong mga retro 70's thinking na to dapat ibaon na sa baol ni Lolo Jose.

One more thing...who is 100% pure filipino nowadays? who can declare that? meron ba? only the aetas, negritos or the mangyans are the only original Filipinos in the Philippines. So this is relative...ano dapat pango? fair? what? what? see hindi nyo ma distinguish...so dead issue.

smokingunmanila

June 14th, 2007, 01:40 PM

Criteria: okay...those who can speak one of our native dialects except english should be qualified, regardless of whatever race.

bukid

June 14th, 2007, 02:39 PM

^^ "Can" or "Kan" or "Kang" (cebuano) means "of" so "Canlaon" or Kanlaon" would mean "Of the God"

"Canhuraw" or "Kanhuraw" means "of Huraw" like when someone ask "Can hin-o inin bukid?" or "Can sin-o inin na bukid?" (whose hill is it?) the native respond: "Can Huraw" so the hill was called "Canhuraw" or "Kanhuraw". and that's where you'll now find the tacloban cityhall.

then someone asked "Can hin-o man liwat inin nga baybayon?" (and whose bay is it?) they respond "Can Cabato iton." and so from that time on the people called it "Cancabato".

Insanedriver

June 14th, 2007, 03:00 PM

I remember a Filipino myth i've read in FIlipino class when i was in elementary...

it goes like this...

"Bakit naghahabulan ang Buwan at araw?"

The Sun and the Moon became couples and the moon gave birth to three children. The Moon warned The sun not to come too close to the children as he is very hot and may burn kids. But one day, The love of the sun for his children made him disobey his wife's warning and he came too close to his children. So the Children died and the moon was very angry...
That's why the moon is chasing the sun everyday.

that was a long story in our textbook...
it's just a summary of what i remembered...

gen1

June 15th, 2007, 12:17 AM

why not? after all, arent we the boiling pot of eastern and western culture?

baka you mean "melting pot" ? :)

the good old US of A is the original melting pot. Original settlers were the religious outcasts of England, pagkatapos sinamahan ng mga patay-gutom na irish, mga hudyong pumatay kay kristo kaya itinataboy mula sa europa, dinagdagan pa ulit ng patay-gutom at sangganong na mga dago at wop, at ngayon binudburan ng tituladong asiano para gumanda ang lahi.

a nation of mongrels ! :nuts:

(biro lang yan, ha. hindi ako racist :lol:. just trolling for ku klux klan wannabes in the forum)

kiretoce

June 15th, 2007, 01:33 AM

baka you mean "melting pot" ? :)

the good old US of A is the original melting pot. Original settlers were the religious outcasts of England, pagkatapos sinamahan ng mga patay-gutom na irish, mga hudyong pumatay kay kristo kaya itinataboy mula sa europa, dinagdagan pa ulit ng patay-gutom at sangganong na mga dago at wop, at ngayon binudburan ng tituladong asiano para gumanda ang lahi.

a nation of mongrels ! :nuts:

(biro lang yan, ha. hindi ako racist :lol:. just trolling for ku klux klan wannabes in the forum)

They hardly were "outcasts," but more of the persecuted, they came over to the New World to pursue religious freedom.

gen1

June 15th, 2007, 02:46 AM

persecuted would be the politically correct term for the 16th/17th century puritans.

outcasts would be a redneck klansman troll term for the black garbed, King Charles I hating, Church-of-England reformists :lol:

- baka makalimutan, joke lang ito ha -

bariQ

June 15th, 2007, 02:51 AM

basta pilipino yung ugali at culture, ok na kahit hindi filipino citizen

kyle@1008

June 15th, 2007, 05:15 AM

Wind Shear

June 15th, 2007, 05:32 AM

bukid

June 15th, 2007, 06:42 AM

^^ :colgate: it's classified confidential information. but let me see if i can reveal a part of it though. i really am a skeptic though the folks didn't know that. i'm afraid to reveal myself as such they might make me a guinea pig and who knows if it really works and they succeed.

kyle@1008

June 15th, 2007, 07:06 AM

^^ you're afraid that people might actually start experimenting and end up, making insects come out of people's mouths...:lol: don't worry about it,.. if anyone here starts showing supernatural ability, we'll start our own coven, and you can be our leader... :lol:

tigidig14

June 15th, 2007, 07:15 AM

Should foreign bred Filipinos be allowed to represent Philippines at a major event?

k' sure

kyle@1008

June 15th, 2007, 07:21 AM

yes, it doesnt matter if their foreign bred,.. just make sure that they are a product of a good breeding program

bukid

June 15th, 2007, 07:29 AM

^^ :lol: it's too risky. it's weird but risky even those old folks warned me about it.

kyle@1008

June 15th, 2007, 07:38 AM

oh, I was actually looking forward , to some people here, turning into mananangals....

Louman

June 15th, 2007, 07:41 AM

Say, has there been any movie made based on Philippine mythology? It doesn't look like any has been made recently tho.

bukid

June 15th, 2007, 07:47 AM

kakatakot pala yung ginamit na term ni pirena "boiling pot". sabagay, it reflects the ancient practice of canivalism. with classification of "white" meat and "red" meat. kapag "red" meat native yan. :D

bukid

June 15th, 2007, 07:51 AM

subukan ko muna kung effective nga ang mga yun.

kyle@1008

June 15th, 2007, 08:01 AM

Say, has there been any movie made based on Philippine mythology? It doesn't look like any has been made recently tho.

several, mostly aswang movies,... and they're not exactly accurate...

Louman

June 15th, 2007, 08:07 AM

^^ so nothing about native gods I'm guessing? looks like we'll have to wait a bit longer on a movie about bathala and company then.

bukid

June 15th, 2007, 08:18 AM

^^ the problem is because the higher gods of ancient native myths had already been replaced by the christian trinity. some of them had been demoted into an unknown entity simply known as "di sugad ha aton" literally "someone not like us". and i dont know why some folks don't even want to mention the names of some of these native gods for fear that the gods will be angry that you summon them (by mentioning their name) for unimportant matters without even prepariing an offering. it might pissed them off and you will find yourself in hot water.

kyle@1008

June 15th, 2007, 08:20 AM

^^ so nothing about native gods I'm guessing? looks like we'll have to wait a bit longer on a movie about bathala and company then.

there are some, a few filipino television shows...

one example is encantadia where they featured a bathala, who aside form the name, shares little similarity with the original one :lol:

Louman

June 15th, 2007, 08:23 AM

Louman

June 15th, 2007, 08:24 AM

there are some, a few filipino television shows...

one example is encantadia where they featured a bathala, who aside form the name, shares little similarity with the original one :lol:

I dont get GMA Pinoy TV here in the US. ABSCBN has a monopoly here. Damn those evil Lopez people...

bukid

June 15th, 2007, 08:31 AM

^^ Thou shall not say G-D's name in vain! haha. I think I've seen the word Maykapal on an promotional poster of a Filipino owned supermarket here in Los Angeles. It was in Tagalog but I don't know if other Filipino languages use a native word for God as well instead of Diyos alternatively.

that's what makes it difficult because many of the names of the gods had already been lost to the centuries of using the indirect reference when speaking about them.

sometimes they use the term "an gamhanan" for the powerful entity that dwell in the mountain, the supreme entity that own the place. but the word simply mean "the powerful"

kyle@1008

June 15th, 2007, 08:32 AM

in the visayas, he is referred to as "Ginoo",...

kiretoce

June 15th, 2007, 11:17 AM

bukid

June 15th, 2007, 12:15 PM

^^ :colgate: ok, i sit corrected, carnibalism it is.

oz.fil

June 15th, 2007, 03:17 PM

theres a filipino school here in melbourne

anyway... i dont mind if foreign bred filipinos represent the philippines at sporting events, as long as theyre good and they win medals for the philippines im fine with that.

when it comes to beauty pagaents id rather the contestant to be filipina. theyre representing the country they come from right?
--" i dont really mind tho... as long as theyre pretty and theyre filipino at heart :D

tambaloslos

June 16th, 2007, 04:33 AM

kyle@1008

June 16th, 2007, 05:09 AM

^^ welcome to ssc dude,... there is a bicol legend I would be posting here just as soon that I get over my laziness, and start typing it,

xXx carlos xXx

June 16th, 2007, 06:20 AM

I dont get GMA Pinoy TV here in the US. ABSCBN has a monopoly here. Damn those evil Lopez people...

i think if you subscribe tfc sa direct tv... included na ang GMA at ABSCBN... im not too sure though

bukid

June 16th, 2007, 06:24 AM

hi. i am just knew here. the thing that interests me to log in here
is my quest to rewrite Bikol Myths, or at least compile them
if i can still find any. Hence, my user name which i believe
is a character in Bikol mythology but I don't remember what it is.
any help will be appreciated.

tambaloslos i think (according to folklore) is a creature that lives in big trees much like the tagalog kapre. but some men of science believe that it is a real apelike creature that inhabits our forest. in other words, it is not a supernatural creature but a species of animal (ape or monkey) that live in our forest just like the tarsiers who were once thought to be supernatural creatures because of their seemingly "weird and ugly" apperances.

kiretoce

June 18th, 2007, 09:06 PM

9 foreign-bred Pinays in Mutya 2007 contest (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=81427)

More than any other local beauty contest, the search for the Mutya ng Pilipinas attracts the most number of foreign-bred Filipinas, with no less than nine in this year’s (the 39th) competition.

This was pointed out by Funfare’s "beauty experts" Felix Manuel, Joey Cezeare, Gery Yumping and Francis Calubaquib who filed the following report:

The current title-holder, Kirby Ann Tan Basken of Norway, is the first and only Filipina national title-holder to win another national beauty title in another country. She represented Norway in the recent Miss Universe Pageant in Mexico City, won by Japan’s Riyo Mori.

Kirby is here to crown her successor on June 22 at the Olongapo Convention Center, to be aired live by ANC, with the Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority (SBMA) as partner.

Aside from the nine beauties "imported" from different Filipino communities abroad, 21 homegrown ones are competing.

"This is the best batch of delegates in the history of the pageant," said Renee Salud, one of those behind the contest, during the press presentation held recently at SBMA.

One of the nine is Jacquelene Charlebois Rodriguez, niece of Vivian Velez, who is considered one of the front-runners. The sultry 17-year-old beauty from San Fernando Valley has just finished high school and is interested in joining showbiz.

Vivian started her career in the mid-’70s and became popular via a commercial for a whisky brand. She later produced movies under her own film outfit, Amazaldy Films. She has two Best Actress trophies, one for Pieta (from the Film Academy of the Philippines) and the other for Paradise Inn (from the FAMAS)

Three special awards were given out by the pageant during the past week. Adjudged Subic Bay Body Beautiful was Tanya Hendy of Australia, Star of the Night was Sherlyn Gonzales and Best in Philippine Terno was Marian Michelle Oblea, a former Miss UST.

Here are the nine foreign-bred Pinays (and their numbers, at random order):

01. Shane Padamada, 21, San Diego, California, USA

04. Eunice Escarez, 21, Arizona, USA

05. Veronica Turla, 23, East Coast, USA

21. Tanya Louise Hendy, 21, Australia

25. Christine Sienicki, 25, Mid West, USA

26. Maylinn Storbakken, 18, Norway

28. Emmalen Horner, 25, Germany

29. Jacquelene Rodriguez, 18, San Fernando Valley, USA

30. Melissa Ann Escobar, 23, Canada.

Manila-X

June 19th, 2007, 05:19 AM

tigidig14

June 19th, 2007, 07:13 AM

type pala ni wanch ang mga indays and manangs haha

MNL

June 19th, 2007, 12:27 PM

that's so mean!:lol::lol::jk:

flesh_is_weak

June 19th, 2007, 02:44 PM

just for as long as they make it big and make poor hungry Juan happy for a while and for a while forget that he is poor and hungry, why not?

Askal82

June 20th, 2007, 02:30 AM

Mond87

June 20th, 2007, 02:01 PM

Both my parents have chinese ancestors but I don't look like one.

<--------just look at this pic, I look hispanic. :rofl:

leii_tomo

June 20th, 2007, 02:48 PM

my grandma is chinese and my grandpa is of spanish race...my father is pure filipino

kiretoce

June 20th, 2007, 07:39 PM

I guess I'll post this here.... :colgate:

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Difficulties of new generation Japanese descendants in RP bared (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/47465/Difficulties-of-new-generation-Japanese-descendants-in-RP-bared)

A Japanese organization in the Philippines that originated in Cebu has bared the difficulties experienced in the country of abandoned children of Japanese and Filipino couples, and Filipino women who had failed relations with Japanese men.

Akira Oka, chairman of the Shin-Nikkeijin Network (New Filipino-Japanese or Japino Network) or SNN, said most of the abandoned Japinos, as well as their Filipino mothers, are slumped in poor communities due to lack, if not absence, of economic support from their Japanese fathers.

"I decided to put up this organization because of the increasing problems of the Japinos… Among the common problems we encountered were the Filipinas (majority of them working as entertainers in Japan) married to Japanese and their Japino children," Oka, 80, said in an interview on the Manila-based Japanese newspaper, Daily Manila Shimbun.

The Cebu-based entrepreneur was President of the Japanese Association in Cebu for over 10 years before founding the SNN in February last year. That stint oriented him to various concerns of Japinos who consult him.

Oka, who recently came to Manila to launch an SNN office here, said the organization is most concerned with Japinos born and registered in Japan but whose parents got separated, forcing them to return to the Philippines and embrace the hard way of life to be able to survive.

"Aside from financial problems, these Japinos have no Philippine birth certificates. So, when they reach school age, they have problems with the school requirements… The separated father is sometimes missing, so they cannot get original family registration in Japan," he narrated.

Oka said if these children could only have access to good education, then they would be able to get good jobs, even in Japan.

Official records from Japan for the period of 1993 up to 2005 show that there are 101,098 Japinos registered in Japan, Oka said. It is not known, however, how many are currently in the Philippines.

But for Cebu, he said they have accounted for over 500 in its May 2005 Membership List – 317 children and 250 mothers.

"We have expanded to the Luzon area now because we believe that the Japanese population in Manila is more than 10 times bigger than in Cebu. Our expectation as to the number of Japinos in Manila area is more or less 3,000," Oka said.

Oka said SNN's ultimate aim is to help Japinos land a job in Japan so they could improve their family's living condition. "We do not want to give them money… We want to give them jobs," he said.

He expressed confidence that if their papers are approved, the Japinos will not experience difficulty in choosing jobs in Japan because of a lot of options there, such as factory workers and food packers.

"They (Japanese employers) prefer and appreciate the work of Filipinos (because) they are good workers (and) have very good communication (skills)," said Oka.

The SNN also assists Filipino mothers of the Japinos in getting working permits if they intend to work in Japan, he said.

Asked if he thinks the Japanese society in Japan will accept the Japinos, Oka said: "Hopefully, yes. I hope that there will be no discrimination because these Japinos have Japanese blood. Actually, they (Japanese) are the ones suffering because of their parents' problems."

He lamented that the Japinos experience hardships because of their parents' disagreements born out of financial and cultural differences, including even a basic issue – communication.

"There are many reasons - financial matters; culture; insincerity; being irresponsible to their duties and obligations as parents; sometimes Japanese parents can't accept their (Filipino) dauther-in-law. But main reason in most cases is the language barrier… Most Japanese husbands cannot speak or really understand English, Visayan or Tagalog," Oka said.

So far, the SNN has already successfully sent six Japinos to Japan to work, Oka said. There are currently 22 pending applications, and 50 applicants are expected every month.

The organization, being non-profit, sustains its operations through donations, mostly from Japanese companies and partners in the country. Eventually, they hope to get a financial assistance from Japan.

For the Philippine government, Oka said they are just asking the Bureau of Immigration to forego the imposition of penalties for Japinos (with Japanese citizenship) charged with illegal staying in the country due to lack of financial capability to pay for it.

"The SNN association aims to give support and assistance to these Japinos for a better future, a good education, a normal life, a chance to study in Japan especially if they had acquired Japanese nationality. If they are staying here in the Philippines, the Japanese government cannot support them. But if they stay in Japan, the Japanese government can assist them," Oka said.

gen1

June 21st, 2007, 02:08 AM

many of the foreigners marrying local pinays are a bit past the ideal marrying age (read : matanda na :) ) Usually ok lang sa babae to marry older guys.

Eh sa lalake, mag-aasawa ba ng 50 anyos na foreigner ang 25 anyos na pinoy ? :lol:

tigidig14

June 21st, 2007, 03:44 AM

NaughtySaint

June 21st, 2007, 03:50 AM

insecure sa liit ng uten:lol:

Haha:lol: Pro ocationaly may nakikita ako sa mga malls, mga lalaking pinoy ang syotang ka-HHWWPSSP ay foreigner na blonde,but most of the times mas maliit yung babae, hindi pa ako nakakkita ng mala Ogie-Michelle Van Eimeren na naglalakad sa mall na mas malaki yung babae kesa lalaki:ohno: :lol:

dinabaw

June 21st, 2007, 07:16 AM

insecure sa liit ng uten:lol:

tigs did you try having a foreign chick ;) kwento naman

Raven83

June 21st, 2007, 04:40 PM

^^ Oo nga naman tigs kwento!!!!!!!

amigo32

June 21st, 2007, 05:01 PM

si tigs hindi insecure yan, malaki uten nyan.

coacozambo92

June 21st, 2007, 05:20 PM

Oh boy, I see it's true. Someday Filipino male will lost in the face of earth. Our breeding will soon end because our female where attracted to foreigners. sana wag mangyari.

Raven83

June 21st, 2007, 05:30 PM

Oh boy, I see it's true. Someday Filipino male will lost in the face of earth. Our breeding will soon end because our female where attracted to foreigners. sana wag mangyari.

Don't worry moreno guys look hot naman to European girls. One time I was in Hong Kong and my skin was darkened due to two weeks stay at our secret beach in Samar. I was in this bar when I'm ogled by Eastern Europeans kesho I look cute and different daw. Im nor sure whether "cute and different" meant that I'm cute and different like a tarsier or a philippine monkey. But at least we could look "attractive" and "unique" to other races na nagsawa na on their own looks. SO wag ka masyado mag-alala:lol:

gen1

June 21st, 2007, 05:34 PM

Oh boy, I see it's true. Someday Filipino male will lost in the face of earth. Our breeding will soon end because our female where attracted to foreigners. sana wag mangyari.

who cares if we run out of purebred pinays. mas maganda naman ang mga mestisang anak nila ! bwahahaha !

kiretoce

June 21st, 2007, 05:36 PM

Accept it, we're all mutts, no one is a purebred Pinoy these days. :colgate:

Raven83

June 21st, 2007, 05:37 PM

^^@gen1 korek! kahit nga yung mga babaeng mukhang nagulungan ng pison at sinumpa ng nuno sa punso ang pagmumukha na nakapagasawa ng bilbiling kalbong foreigner nagkaka-anak ng magandang mestiza.

kiretoce

June 21st, 2007, 07:52 PM

US Olympian finds Pinay fiancee (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=81591)

Two-time US Olympic weightlifter James Wilkens had no luck in three failed marriages with American women so he decided to look for a Filipina wife two years ago.

Wilkens, 66, sought assistance from the Christian Singles Movement of the Akron Baptist Temple of which he is a devoted follower. He was asked which country to send his biography.

“During the Vietnam War, I was in Subic Bay being treated for wounds and I found the Filipino people so warm, friendly and hospitable,” said Wilkens who lives outside this Ohio city, the site of Games 4 and 5 in the recent NBA Finals. “Russia and some South American countries were suggested but I insisted on the Philippines.”

Within months, Wilkens received over 100 responses from Filipinas whose ages ranged from 18 to 43. He pruned the list to three candidates then chose Marietta Constantino, 37, after hours of conversing on the phone and exchanging long letters.

Last April, Wilkens flew to Cebu to meet Constantino and was overwhelmed when he was welcomed at the airport by over a hundred of her relatives and friends. From the airport, he was whisked to the Constantinos’ home where a long table overflowing with food waited for him. He stayed a month getting to know his fiancée and went back home to Akron to wait for her arrival in October.

“Marietta is now working on her fiancee’s visa which will be good for 90 days,” said Wilkens, a former Marine with a bronze star and a purple heart. “We’’ll get married in the US. Our plan is to settle in Cebu, where we’ll build a house, by December of next year. I’ll apply for dual citizenship if it’s possible as I intend to live in the Philippines for good in my retirement. We could visit the US in the summer and go back to Cebu in winter.”

Wilkens might even be able to help out the Philippine weightlifting team once he settles down in Cebu. He was on the US Olympic team in the heavyweight division in 1968 and the superheavyweight class in 1972.

“I finished in the top 10 both times but didn’t get a medal,” said Wilkens. “Russians won the gold in both Olympics because they were pumped up with steroids. I never lifted for any US school but I was trained by the country’s best lifters in Akron. I’ve done a clean and jerk of 435 pounds, snatched 360 and thrusted 356. I ended up with a lot of knee, elbow and shoulder injuries.”

Russia’s Leonid Zhabotinsky took the gold medal in the heavyweight category in 1968 and another Russian, Vassiliy Alekseyev, won in the superheavyweight division in 1972.

Wilkens, who has bachelor’s degrees in business administration and criminal justice and a master’s degree in business management, said the experience of the 1972 Olympics was horrifying. A Jewish friend from Ohio, named Goldberg, represented Israel and was killed by terrorists in the Munich massacre.

Wilkens said he once lived in Hollywood and was a bodyguard for celebrities like Farah Fawcett, Tom Jones and Elvis Presley. A karate black belter and kung fu practitioner, Wilkens worked 25 years in law enforcement as a state trooper, country sheriff, prosecutor’s investigator, field investigator for the US Congress and polygraph examiner. His career files include letters from President Bush and Senator John Glenn congratulating him for his election as county sheriff. He retired at the age of 60 in 2001.

Of course, Wilkens was disappointed the Cleveland Cavaliers were swept by the San Antonio Spurs in the recent NBA Finals.

“I was hoping my neighbor would be the MVP,” said Wilkens, referring to LeBron James who lives 10 miles away down the road from his home.

Wilkens said he was “trapped” by his first wife into marriage when he was 21 although the relationship lasted 18 years. His second marriage ended after three years and his third, after six. Wilkens has been single the last 13 years. His four children, aged 38 to 43, are happy he has found someone to live the rest of his life with and they couldn’t be happier because his wife will be a Filipina.

alcogoodwin

June 22nd, 2007, 01:48 AM

Why did I marry a Filipina? Free accomodation in the Philippines! :lol:

Seriously I have been out with many Europeans, was even engaged to one, but ever since I was young I have hung around asian people and knew I would marry someone from there one day.
Nowdays in Sydney you see the occasional Aussie chick with an asian guy but normally this would be a single mum, bushpig type who has gone over there looking for a toyboy. It is still rare enough to be a very strange sight.
Yes many guys who marry Pinays are past their use by date and this is a major factor. Given I was in my 20s I was far from that sort of age.
But ultimately it comes down to the way they are. Loving, caring, warm hearted and wonderful people. How could you possibly not love them???

Brad

coacozambo92

June 23rd, 2007, 06:10 AM

^^@gen1 korek! kahit nga yung mga babaeng mukhang nagulungan ng pison at sinumpa ng nuno sa punso ang pagmumukha na nakapagasawa ng bilbiling kalbong foreigner nagkaka-anak ng magandang mestiza.

Okay guys, :) the inter breeding is good to our image as mestizo or mestiza. But guys, why we have to do this? Some says, global preservation of endangered species must be attended. Hey we guys are :ohno: the endangered species! Kawawa naman ang mga lalaking Pinoy, ang lahi magiging endangered. :bash: Para bagang inaapakan na ang ating pag kalalaki. Yes it's true, dapat kung nasa abroad ang mga Pinoy, mga pards mag dala naman kayo ng pasalubong na Puti. Ika nga texas kung sa manok. Ang mga Pinoy ay dapat huwag magpatalo sa mga Pinay. We should not let this white or yellow even blacks races to ruin our pride. Kabayan boys think, think, think we are facing global competition. My gush, kahit ba naman mga Pinay kasama sa :ohno: International Marketing? Dapat isama ninyo naman ang mga ang mga kalalakihan. Tingnan natin kung ano ang mararamdaman ng mga Pinay kapag nakikita nila na ang mga Pinoy ang hinahatak ng mga imported na tsikas. :banana: Wow guys go for it!!

Raven83

June 23rd, 2007, 07:14 AM

Okay guys, :) the inter breeding is good to our image as mestizo or mestiza. But guys, why we have to do this? Some says, global preservation of endangered species must be attended. Hey we guys are :ohno: the endangered species! Kawawa naman ang mga lalaking Pinoy, ang lahi magiging endangered. :bash: Para bagang inaapakan na ang ating pag kalalaki. Yes it's true, dapat kung nasa abroad ang mga Pinoy, mga pards mag dala naman kayo ng pasalubong na Puti. Ika nga texas kung sa manok. Ang mga Pinoy ay dapat huwag magpatalo sa mga Pinay. We should not let this white or yellow even blacks races to ruin our pride. Kabayan boys think, think, think we are facing global competition. My gush, kahit ba naman mga Pinay kasama sa :ohno: International Marketing? Dapat isama ninyo naman ang mga ang mga kalalakihan. Tingnan natin kung ano ang mararamdaman ng mga Pinay kapag nakikita nila na ang mga Pinoy ang hinahatak ng mga imported na tsikas. :banana: Wow guys go for it!!

Nyahaha! Grabeh ka naman Texas na manok pa ang comparison! :lol: Sabagay ako mahilig makipagsabungan! :lol: Okey lets make an experiment,lets see how Filipino guys can be attractive to foreigners. Why dont we make a thread "Filipino Boys Pictures" like one in Israeli forum and lets see how people will react.....nyehehe!

bariQ

June 23rd, 2007, 07:34 AM

di ko gusto ng puti... kukuha ako ng yellow :D

bukid

June 23rd, 2007, 07:50 AM

:) i've seen many with filipino men too but women not too tall coz men mostly 5'7 above. the children look very caucasian. the only thing about caucasians, many are very open to divorce. if they don't anymore feel the "fire" in a relationship, they'll leave you. so keep the flame burning or else just light another fire in another camp. :)

Rene Ybardolaza

June 23rd, 2007, 07:56 AM

Haha:lol: Pro ocationaly may nakikita ako sa mga malls, mga lalaking pinoy ang syotang ka-HHWWPSSP ay foreigner na blonde,but most of the times mas maliit yung babae, hindi pa ako nakakkita ng mala Ogie-Michelle Van Eimeren na naglalakad sa mall na mas malaki yung babae kesa lalaki:ohno: :lol:

This comment brought back memories. I was staying at the Peninsula with six co-workers with the World Bank. Several of us were watching a wedding, observing the guests and their beautiful outfits. I overheared two co-workers, both American women, commenting on how petite and feminine looking the beautiful women are in comparison to the men who looked a little on the thin and short side of masculinity. They catch me overhearing what they're saying and quickly backpedalled by saying, "oh, but not you Rene". Ha! Ha! Ha!

crappypants

June 23rd, 2007, 08:16 AM

Oh boy, I see it's true. Someday Filipino male will lost in the face of earth. Our breeding will soon end because our female where attracted to foreigners. sana wag mangyari.

Maybe if Filipino men know how to treat their filipina counterpart better then they wouldn't have to resort to foreign man.
Admit it Filipinas are the backbone of filipino society . they are the ones who mostly leave the country and work to put food on the table. I guess they have the balls now.

oz.fil

June 23rd, 2007, 09:18 AM

Both my parents have chinese ancestors but I don't look like one.

<--------just look at this pic, I look hispanic. :rofl:

lol dude you look chink

coacozambo92

June 23rd, 2007, 12:22 PM

Maybe if Filipino men know how to treat their filipina counterpart better then they wouldn't have to resort to foreign man.
Admit it Filipinas are the backbone of filipino society . they are the ones who mostly leave the country and work to put food on the table. I guess they have the balls now.

Oh oh??? do you believe what she says guys? oh you must be specific which country? For Domestic Helpers, care givers, nurses, and intertainers? maybe but please check how we fathers work overseas to feed our family back home. Kapag ang mga kababaihan ang pinapaabroad natin nagiging atraction sila sa mga PUTI-ITIM-DILAW. Why? Maharot, maakit, mabuyangyang???, the more family break up. Why again? You check the girls in Japan, Hong-kong or even here in the middle east and not to mention europe and america then you will see how was the so called maria clara gesture would do. Wow, guys I admit you can look around the malls, disco, or even in the church,,, aray!!! akbay ng BF nilang P-I-D. In that case this down grade the Pinoy macho look. Ang masakit pa galit pa at pag seselosan ka pa ng misis mo sa Pinas. Why??? it's hurt bakit ninyo pinipigilan ang mga Pinoy macho guys na makapag biktima ng PUTI-ITIM-DILAW!!! Dapat gantihan natin ang mga PINAY na minamaliit ang ating U_ _ n!! Everybody must now na ang mga Pinay natin pag nasa abroad karamihan ay suplado sa PINOY at pag may P-I-D naku aboy tenga ang pa CUTE!! I do believe na kaya pala dumarami ang mga matatandang BINATA sa bansa natin at ang masaklap pa na although mas maraming LALAKI sa PINAS but this turned out to be GAYS??? Why! Women Pinays naman, bakit ninyo minamaliit ang mga BOYS na PINOY??? We must have a separate Forum for this folks!! Ipag laban natin ang karapatan nating mga PINOY na makapagkalat ng LAGIM sa Mundo hindi yung mga PUTI-ITIM-DILAW na lang ang mamayagpag at pagpapasapasahan ang ating mga pingkaingat-ingatang PINAYS... Hoy kilos kayo mga GABRIELA!!!

gen1

June 23rd, 2007, 12:43 PM

Admit it Filipinas are the backbone of filipino society . they are the ones who mostly leave the country and work to put food on the table. I guess they have the balls now.

oy, oy, oy. hindi tutoo yan.

sa huling pagkakaalam ko, lahat ng seaman na export natin, YC bikini brief ang suot at hindi So-En.

at ang mga noy-pi na hina-harass ng mga arabo ng gitnang silangan, mga puwet ang iniingatan.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Rajah_Soliman

June 23rd, 2007, 12:52 PM

ano ba yan???? :lol:

oy, oy, oy. hindi tutoo yan.

sa huling pagkakaalam ko, lahat ng seaman na export natin, YC bikini brief ang suot at hindi So-En.

at ang mga noy-pi na hina-harass ng mga arabo ng gitnang silangan, mga puwet ang iniingatan.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

jrevalde

June 23rd, 2007, 12:57 PM

^^ hehe, oo nga no

Mond87

June 23rd, 2007, 01:07 PM

hei, don't you get my joke?! wehehehhe... i really am a chinese-looking guy. since birth.

kiretoce

June 23rd, 2007, 05:47 PM

smokingunmanila

June 23rd, 2007, 06:02 PM

ano tawag sa amin? look at my pic

rage@cebu

June 23rd, 2007, 06:04 PM

^^ tausugs. hehehehehe! :joke, joke, joke: :)

Animo

June 23rd, 2007, 10:52 PM

hei, don't you get my joke?! wehehehhe... i really am a chinese-looking guy. since birth.

Geez you guys need to learn more about the world. You Mon can be Peruano/Peruvian by your look. We have this joke about this Chinese friend of ours that hangs out with "hispanics" and we tell people he is from Peru. :lol:

FYI: One of the largest Chinatown in the world is located in Lima, Peru. :cheers:

http://www.asde.es/img_quienes/peruano2.jpg

Animo

June 23rd, 2007, 11:19 PM

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1060/604177642_e7cc870ec5_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1178/604177700_9d0aad2651_o.jpg

Anito (representación de antepasados).
Kankanay, Cordillera de Luzón, siglo xix

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1006/604177710_e2a15b4e47_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1276/604177782_ef42ba836d_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1421/604177796_00ba74bf03_o.jpg

tigidig14

June 24th, 2007, 04:01 AM

^o ye!
y is that

Mond87

June 24th, 2007, 04:53 AM

Geez you guys need to learn more about the world. You Mon can be Peruano/Peruvian by your look. We have this joke about this Chinese friend of ours that hangs out with "hispanics" and we tell people he is from Peru. :lol:

FYI: One of the largest Chinatown in the world is located in Lima, Peru. :cheers:

http://www.asde.es/img_quienes/peruano2.jpg

well, i do have some little hispanic blood in me. my mom's grandma is part hispanic. heheh... peruvians have part hispanic and part chinese blood in them. hmmm...

crappypants

June 24th, 2007, 05:31 AM

Kimber is a man of the 21st century. :righton: I hope he spreads his tribe.

Kaya mga tatay bumile na ng mga daster pare tumerno sa mga panty at bayong :lol:

amigo32

June 24th, 2007, 08:53 AM

Puso ko hispanic. mukha? mukhang java man. hehehe

jrevalde

June 24th, 2007, 11:28 AM

ako tatay ko sultan of brunei, pumunta cya sa cebu tapos di na kami binalikan, sana magbayad na cya nang childsupport:cry:

dive-cebu

June 24th, 2007, 12:43 PM

Photos of some Spanish-Filipino mestizos living in the Philippines.

http://photos21.flickr.com/27436059_5a1157d02c.jpg
Echevarria family of Manila and Cebu. They have been living in the Philippines since the 1880s.

the one wearing glasses was my prof in Univ. of San Carlos (Cebu), dept. of economics. His name's Ramon Echevarria. He may rest in peace, died in a road accident...

kiretoce

June 24th, 2007, 04:02 PM

Geez you guys need to learn more about the world. You Mon can be Peruano/Peruvian by your look. We have this joke about this Chinese friend of ours that hangs out with "hispanics" and we tell people he is from Peru. :lol:

FYI: One of the largest Chinatown in the world is located in Lima, Peru. :cheers:

http://www.asde.es/img_quienes/peruano2.jpg

Peru also has a very large Japanese community. :okay: That was evident in the election of the now deposed and in exile former Peruvian president Alberto Fujimori.

tigidig14

June 24th, 2007, 06:06 PM

Puso ko hispanic. mukha? mukhang java man. hehehe

LOL

tigidig14

June 24th, 2007, 06:38 PM

^^@gen1 korek! kahit nga yung mga babaeng mukhang nagulungan ng pison at sinumpa ng nuno sa punso ang pagmumukha na nakapagasawa ng bilbiling kalbong foreigner nagkaka-anak ng magandang mestiza.

:lol:

yung kakilala ng mama ko ang pangit na inday na sungki-sungki pa ngipin ang laki ng ilong tapos afroic pa buhok at pungok. tapos nagkaasawa ng puti pero panot na malaking tyan na walang ka apil apil. pero yung anak nila ang cute hazel eyes pa nga e. iniisip ko sana wag maging tatay paglaki nung bata

Animo

June 25th, 2007, 08:58 PM

^o ye!
y is that

Huge immigrantion of Chinese folks before and really the American Indians are Asians who travel to the Americans long time ago. :D

ETHNONYMS: Asiáticos, Chinese, Issei, Japanese, Koreans, Nipo-Brasileiros, Nipo-Latinos, Nissei, Orientaes, Orientales, Sansei, Sansei-neto, South Koreans, Taiwanese

Asians in South America

Although Asians and those of Asian descent do not constitute a large portion of South America's population, certain countries—notably Brazil, Paraguay, and Peru—do have important communities concentrated in the large cities of Sao Paulo, Asunción, and Lima/Callao. The major groups are Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans, but very small numbers of East Asian Indians and Southeast Asians have also made their homes on the continent. Although there are relatively reliable statistics on the numbers of Asian immigrants who entered South America prior to 1950, this is not the case for more recent arrivals because of numerous undocumented entries of Koreans and Chinese. Furthermore, estimates of the number of South Americans of Asian descent vary widely because intermarriage has led to a lack of agreement among census takers as to what "Asian-descended" means.

More here: http://www.everyculture.com/South-America/Asians-in-South-America.html

Cristovão471

June 26th, 2007, 03:52 PM

Almost all the filipino women in my city are married to caucasion men and there a fair few! Like every you go you see a filipino. I was brought up with a filipino-dar
like a gay-dar, but not. Mainly because of my mum.

Do people get offended when they hear alot of filipinos are desperatly trying to get of the philippines, to wherever?

Askal82

June 27th, 2007, 01:30 AM

tigidig14

June 27th, 2007, 02:08 AM

coacozambo92

June 27th, 2007, 05:47 AM

:lol: This is so you Marites! I love it! :okay: Pinoys should find more women like you, that would keep their machismo bravado in check. :colgate:

Personally, I don't really care if I end up with a homegrown Pinay, a foreign-bred Pinay, or someone totally out of my race or ethnicity. The important thing is love and respect. Dilution of the one's race is fine with me because as the world gets smaller and even smaller with each succeeding generation, skin color will play a lesser role as people will become "color blind" and in the end the only race will be the Human Race. Yes, you might think my utopian aspirations are lofty and too idealistic, but that's what I want to strive for, a future where race and color lines are blurred, where you will be judged solely by your character and what you can contribute to the betterment of society.

No problem with this as long as Filipino Male could find a way to marry more whites or even blacks. We Filipino machos must consider looking for foreign girlfreinds. On what our friend above says, it's okay unless we can produce a better society. NO OBJECTION. But this foreigners must not abuse our kaingat-ingatang PINAYS. In that case GUYS ipakita ninyo ang inyong galing sa panliligaw ng mga PUTI-ITIM-DILAW, Huwag tayong patalo sa mga locals nila. We should be carefull dahil ang mga kalalakihan nila ay mga seloso tulad ng mga DILAW. Sila pa ang namamayagpag sa ating butihin at pinagkaingat ingatang PINAYS na nag-papa alipin sa kanilang bansa. Itaas natin ang bandila ng mga MACHO-Tunay na BOYS (Pilipino Hunks) sa mga kababaihang P-I-D. Mag dala ng pasalubong para sa pag angat ng lahing Pinoy. Mabuhay-Viva!!!

bariQ

June 27th, 2007, 07:17 AM

haha totoo yan! seloso talaga yang mga dilaw na lalake! eh wala na silang magagawa kung dilaw talaga gusto ko :D

Cristovão471

June 27th, 2007, 01:12 PM

what country is this though... filipinodar :lol:

Austrazlia

Arkdriver

June 27th, 2007, 07:47 PM

coacozambo92

June 28th, 2007, 05:22 PM

the reality is

americans@joe@whoever have the money. These guy is loser themselves in their country that's why it's very hard for them to marry their own people. In the philippines you'll see there're many women who are desperately trying to flee the country for a better life. I'm not against women who marry for love but what disgust me is there're recognised group of pinays who is using these clueless foreign guy as escape route.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_scam
Your Right dude, I support your opinion. Our women tend to become materialistic or they are true dreamers or social climbers. Oh maybe influence by movies. But as we know most of them are victim of abuse (They just tiis para hindi halata). They show to their countrymen that they are happy? Oh FILIPINA magpakatotoo kayo! Alam namin at marami pa kaming na meet na FILIPINANG nag asawa ng P-I-D, napilitan daw sila dahil sa mga ambisyosong kamag anak. " My daughter married a GI Joe kaya sure na mapepetition kami sa TATE!!! wow shit this is what their parents says... Hanep kayo, pinapahamak ninyo ang inyong anak. Mag bago at makunsiyensia naman kayo.

Arkdriver

June 29th, 2007, 07:21 AM

coacozambo92

June 29th, 2007, 08:05 AM

They said GI joe treat them better than pinoy men. Yes of course they treat you better. They earn $2000 p/m in the states and considered average. Convert $2000 p/m here in peso and adjust with the cost of living in the philippines, these guys have been turned into God!!! No matter how nerd they are, how fat, and how bald they are..they are still gwapo. this is a reality, i'm not trying to exaggerate things but hey this is a reality please.

Consider these foreign men, a loser themselves, never been in love, of course they turn out to be a 'better' man because no white chicks home even care to catch their glimpse. They will treat pinay better because they afraid to lose their 'love of my life'. No offense to GI Joe who married pinays and in this forum but hey, money speaks. Your wallet barks louder than style.

And whatmore, a chance to have good looking kids, who for sure at least make it to EDSA billboards.

I'm not being bitter to foreign men.

Just to share something. If you married girls from middle income or rich family, you and i can say it's true love...money is not an issue for them, sometimes they are richer than all foreign men themselves.

But if you're going to marry someone from the province, or from the slums of Manila, whom you fell in love because you saw her on friendster/myspace..scantily clad showing her assets off...not very pretty but still acceptable. After several chat sessions and I LOVE YOU. and more western union money transfer, lost handphone, sick families, car accidents claims which suddenly turned you into an insurance brokerage claims office..hey..you've been duped.

There's a saying : If you marry anyone from the province then you're going to marry the whole barangay.
hahahahahaha.... got it right men. In every Cybercafe or Internet cafe you can find a lot of desperate women selling themselves to foreigners. Oh boy, lot of them even barkadahan style. They tend to be cutie or serching in matching net. Partners in life maybe.. hey you know this causes a lot of Filipinas who looks CHEAP!!! Chipipay, nakakahiya. Even me I tried to disguise myself as a foreigner from Europe and try some website looking for desperadong PINAY. Oh what a cheap, it is true they advertise themselves and telling they are a true lovers for life. SEE WHOSHHHH EXPLOITING? The PINAY or the FOREIGNERS? Maybe we blame the foreigners why they abuse PINAYS because our kababayan is doing the LIGAW!!! Napaka cheap naman. We Filipinos should be alerted on this practice. NAKAKABABANG URI. NAKAKAHIYA!!!

gen1

June 29th, 2007, 08:51 AM

i've seen some of them put web cams up their skirts.

kaya in some cybercafes in the provinces there are cubicle type computer terminals.

Xavier15

July 17th, 2007, 04:18 PM

How Many Chinese Communities do you have in your city? How many chinese schools? What Chinese Festivals do you have? and How many chinese temples do you have?

:) post away dudes!

______________________________
一人吃饱，全家不饥
冰冻三尺，非一日之寒

Xavier15

July 17th, 2007, 04:26 PM

How Many Chinese Communities do you have in your city? How many chinese schools? What Chinese Festivals do you have? and How many chinese temples do you have?

in Metro Bacolod,, there has a total of 60-75 Chinese Communities.. Most of them are located in [[ CHINATOWN,BACOLOD ]](commonly known as Capitol Shopping Center..)

there are 3 large Chinese Schools in Bacolod.. the largest among these 3 schools is BACOLOD TAYTUNG HIGHSCHOOL.[[ the TOP Chinese School in Visayas in terms of Chinese Education]] it has about 3000-4000 students.. the second is ST. JOHN'S INSTITUTE also known as BACOLOD HUAMING.. [[ a Catholic-Chinese School located at CHINATOWN BACOLOD..]] it has about 2000-3500 students.. then last but not the least,, BACOLOD TRINITY CHRISTIAN SCHOOL also known as BACOLOD SAM-ET.. [[ the largest Christian School outside Manila..]] [[Chinese-Christian SChool]] [[School of BAcolod TRINITY christian church along lacson st.,]] it has a total student population of about 1000-2000 students..:) :)

leii_tomo

July 17th, 2007, 06:46 PM

in iloilo city, sun yat sen high school, iloilo chinese commercial high school, ateneo de iloilo-sta maria catholic school...

dinabaw

July 18th, 2007, 03:09 AM

there are only 2 chinatown in PI : list of chinatowns worldwide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinatowns)

davao chinatown

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f226/nick4ubaby/kikoy000-1.jpg

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9339/archpc6.png (http://imageshack.us)
WORKERS start setting up the ‘Chinese arch’ along Ramon Magsasay Avenue

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7177/chitown3al6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3403/gmallcarparkcj3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i292/naxju/china1.jpg

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/3879/66bdf9d0ba7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Chimes , a high end mall .

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3686/img0348tq0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
It bldg. w/in chinatown

photos courtesy of tj_brewed

dinabaw

July 18th, 2007, 03:29 AM

Xavier15

July 18th, 2007, 11:26 AM

what do you mean 60 -75 chinese communities? establishments? districts?

it means that there are 60-75 Chinese Communities.. example:

BACOLOD TSINOY ASSOCIATION
BACOLOD AMITY ASSOCIATION
BACOLOD CHAMBER ASSOCIATION
BACOLAUDIAT CHINESE FESTIVAL COMMUNITY
BACOLOD TAY TUNG HIGH SCHOOL CHINESE ASSOCIATION...

**oh and guys,, mali! there are 60-75 chinese communities only in Bacolod City lone districts.. but has more than 100-150 chinese communities all over negros occidental particularly KABANKALAN, CADIZ, SAN CARLOS..

in CADIZ City,, there is CHONGHUA SCHOOL..

Xavier15

July 18th, 2007, 11:35 AM

SOME OF BACOLOD's CHINESE COMMUNITIES:::

*BACOLOD TSINOY ASSOCIATION
*BACOLOD AMITY ASSOCIATION
*BACOLOD CHAMBER ASSOCIATION
*BACOLAUDIAT CHINESE FESTIVAL COMMUNITY
*BACOLOD TAY TUNG HIGH SCHOOL CHINESE ASSOCIATION
*BACOLOD CHINESE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES ASSOCIATION
[[(BACOLOD TRINITY CHRISTIAN SCHOOL AND CHURCH)]]
*BACOLOD CHINESE CATHOLIC CHURCHES ASSOCIATION
QUEEN OF PEACE CHURCH; ST. JOHN'S INSTITUTE.
*BACOLOD LIATSAN FAMILY ASSOCIATION
*BACOLOD GO FAMILY ASSOCIATION
*BACOLOD LONG SE LEE FAMILY ASSOCIATION
*BACOLOD CHUA FAMILY ASSOCIATION
*BACOLOD CHINATOWN COMMUNITY
*BACOLOD CUA FAMILY ASSOCIATION
*BACOLOD DONGON FAMILY ASSOCIATION
*BACOLOD KHO FAMILY ASSOCIATION
*PHILIPPINE CHINESE ASSOCIATION- BACOLOD

these are just some of the communities i know.. sorry.. more updates soon.!

BACOLOD also has a Chinese AM Station.. i just dont know the channel.. hehe.. sorry..

BACOLOD has its own CHINESE-CHRISTIAN CHANNEL broadcasting across Bacolod and Negros.. it is channel 55 in bacolod.. it is run by the CHINESE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY in BACOLOd city particularly Trinity Christian Church

DYVS 1233 BACOLOD..[[Far east broadcasting]] a christian AM Station in Western Visayas..

Xavier15

July 18th, 2007, 11:47 AM

capitol shopping center in bacolod is now considered as chinatown of bacolod..

it is complete with chinese communities...

it has chinese school
it has chinese residential st., mostly people in NARRA AVENUE are chinese..
it has chinese pharmacy-HUAKONG BACOLOD
it has chinese newspaper publishing house..
it has chinese banks.. CHINABANK.. MAYBANK..
it has chinese Fire Brigade.. BACOLOD AMITY FIRE BRIGADE
it has chinese Restaurants.. APOLLO..LANTIAN..MEI WEI.. and so much more!
it has chinese hotel.. HOLIDAY INN.. BACOLOD CIRCLE INN

when u r in bacolod.. when u say u live in shopping center,, people will usually say "CHINESE KA?"

then alot of chinese communities are found in this area of Bacolod..

but the new CHINATOWN MALL will be located near the capitol because Shopping Center doesnt have any space na for the mall..

Sinjin P.

July 18th, 2007, 11:51 AM

I don't know why you can't consolidate all your replies in one post. I could accuse you of post whoring, I have warned you for "n" times already :crazy:

SugarFreak

July 18th, 2007, 12:45 PM

^^before i stayed there sometimes at Road runner bakeshop along Narra Avenue. the owner of the bakeshop is a chinese. and i always bought a medicines at HuaKong store. anyone can post a chinese temple that built in Shopping center?

dinabaw

July 18th, 2007, 03:34 PM

it means that there are 60-75 Chinese Communities.. example:

BACOLOD TSINOY ASSOCIATION
BACOLOD AMITY ASSOCIATION
BACOLOD CHAMBER ASSOCIATION
BACOLAUDIAT CHINESE FESTIVAL COMMUNITY
BACOLOD TAY TUNG HIGH SCHOOL CHINESE ASSOCIATION...

**oh and guys,, mali! there are 60-75 chinese communities only in Bacolod City lone districts.. but has more than 100-150 chinese communities all over negros occidental particularly KABANKALAN, CADIZ, SAN CARLOS..

in CADIZ City,, there is CHONGHUA SCHOOL..

hey dude it's an organization/association does not count as community , baka sila sila rin yan ,marami lang silang organizations :)

Xavier15

July 18th, 2007, 04:20 PM

hey dude it's an organization/association does not count as community , baka sila sila rin yan ,marami lang silang organizations :)

sorry.. so ,, ganun karami ang mga chinese association/organizations ang bacolod.. sorry gud.. dili ko in ana ka educated haha..:lol: joke

Manila-X

July 20th, 2007, 05:27 AM

In HK? Lets say there are alot :D

Anyway, Cebu is known for having more HK Chinese or Cantonese speakers than any other city in The Philippines. Alot of HKers have settled there before the handover a decade ago.

ritche

July 20th, 2007, 05:47 AM

There are at least two Chinese Schools in Dumaguete. My father himself is a Chinese...

bitoy

July 20th, 2007, 08:47 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9a/XS_echague.jpg
Old Xavier School in Echague, Manila

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8b/XS_greenhills1963a.jpg

The Xavier School Campus ~1963 in Greenhills, San Juan

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a2/XS_hs.jpg

LUCEAT LUX,

The Story of Xavier School (Kuang Chi) (http://web.xs.edu.ph/sections/luceatluxstory.php)

SugarFreak

July 20th, 2007, 11:25 AM

BACOLOD CHINESE TEMPLES: Colorful contributions

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t226/cosmosnegros/budhisttemple3storeyburgosbacolod.jpg
(Bacolod Chinese Temple along the street of Burgos Extension going to East Complex, Villamonte, Bacolod City)

The Chinese temples make up a colorful contribution to the integrated community in Bacolod. The oldest of these temples is the Fa Tzang Temple on Narra Avenue, whose high steps lead to the main altar of the Sakyamuni Buddha where devotees often go for the divinations of the kyu cham and kuak poy, the hundred wooden sticks and two half-moons that give the answers or advise to their problems and petitions.

Yung Tho Temple, a Taoist temple on Montelibano Drive, was built by the wealthy businessman Kaya Uy whose recent death was celebrated through a ritual performed by nuns from Taiwan meant to beckon the roving spirit of Kaya Uy to its resting place in the temple. At the main altar is the Lord Huan Sing Hu Chi, meaning very high and exalted, and to the left is the Kuan Ni Man, higher than a saint, the equivalent of Mama Mary. Inside the temple compound is the small chapel dedicated to Ma Cho Si, the saint of fishermen, also built by Kaya Uy who made his fortune in fishing.

Yuan Thong Buddhist temple is managed by monks from Kaohsiung, represented here by Master Yung Ko, the abbess. It worships the three Buddhas: the Gautama Buddha, the Buddha of the Eastern World (medicine) and the Buddha of the Western World (death). Tuan Thong, which has 1,200 members in the Philippines, 21 chapters and four temples, boasts of 10 million devotees all over the world and 1,600 monks and nuns. Their mission is education through media.

Another remarkable Chinese temple is the Bun Su Chosi Templein Tangub, which was built by a corporation owned by Adolfo Lim.

Although spectacular in architecture and embellishments, these temples share an ambience that is green and cool and calming. And redolent of a culture that has much to enrich Bacolod and the provinces of Negros.

==========================================

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t226/cosmosnegros/761724435_e4745e258b.jpg
(Bacolod Taytung High School)

Xavier15

July 20th, 2007, 12:39 PM

SugarFreak

July 20th, 2007, 12:43 PM

^^that's an old article dude i think 2005 update.

Xavier15

July 20th, 2007, 04:15 PM

^^that's an old article dude i think 2005 update.

^^ haha.. actually.. there are 4 big temples all over Bacolod..
FA TZANG BODHI GROVE CHINESE TEMPLE
==>located at: Narra Avenue Extn., Shopping Center(Chinatown), Bacolod
=>largest chinese temple in Western Visayas..
=>it has a building for Monks to Stay..(like a dorm ba..)

HUAN THONG TAOIST TEMPLE
==>located at: Burgos Extn., VillaMonte, Bacolod City
==> Newest Chinese Temple..

BUN SU CHOSI BUDDHIST TEMPLE
==>located at: Gardenville, Tangub, Bacolod City
(near toyota Bacolod)

Yung Tho Temple
==> Smallest Temple located near University of St. La Salle-Bacolod

SugarFreak

July 21st, 2007, 04:38 AM

hope you can take pictures of those temples dude. and also the pictures of chinatown district (shopping center).

Ady001

July 22nd, 2007, 09:29 AM

Sinjin is chinese... hehehe...

But they say Cebu is the only place in the Philippines with no Chinatown but the largest concentration of Chinese outside MM.

Xavier15

July 22nd, 2007, 11:36 AM

^^ ^^ u're wrong.. actually most of the cities in the philippines doesnt have a chinatown.. like Cebu, Iloilo, Cagayan De oro,Zamboanga,Gensan..

there are only 3 chinatowns in the philippines:

*Binondo, Manila(chinatown Manila)
*Ramon Magsaysay Avenue, Davao City(Chinatown Davao)
*Capitol Shopping Center, Bacolod City(Chinatown Bacolod)

there are alot of Chinese population all over Manila, Cebu, Davao and Bacolod.. halos ng mga business establishments in these following cities are owned by Chinese.. especially these chinatowns.. like Bacolod's.. 80-90% of the residents/business owners in Chinatown Bacolod are Chinese..:)

Sinjin P.

July 22nd, 2007, 01:24 PM

@Ady: No, I'm not.

Ewan ko ba pero dapat ka sigurong manahimik muna Xavier15, daldal ka ng daldal, talak ka ng talak, dakdak ka ng dakdak. :| Kahit saang thread kang pumunta, nagdadala ka ng gulo, hindi mo nga sinusunod ang mga warning na naibigay sa 'yo dito.

eonynx

July 22nd, 2007, 01:30 PM

Xavier15

July 22nd, 2007, 02:13 PM

bitoy

July 22nd, 2007, 09:16 PM

^^ Gentlemen, this thread should be taken seriously, it is a part of the Filipino-Chinese heritage, in fact this should qualify to be in the Heritage section. Let's keep this clean.
I called you gentlemen, so be gentle... niyeheehe!... ayun yun eh! :lol:

OK, seriously, ..(hoy , Efren, wag ka nang malikot.)

If any of you Fil-Chis, Chinoys or Tsinoys happen to be around Manila visiting, please pay a visit to some Filipino-Chinese institutions and projects. Here are some of them.

Bahay Tsinoy: A Museum of Chinese in Philippine life. The museum holds precious artifacts brought to the Philippines by the early Chinese ?from farm implements, the weaving loom, cookware, goldsmith tools, and other items that had an impact on Philippine life; to precious pottery and porcelain and other treasures. The museum reconstructs the life of the Chinese Filipinos over the last millennia in the Philippines, beginning with their early trading activities in the Parian days, to their struggle to defend Philippine freedom and nationhood alongside the Filipinos, and finally ending with their role and impact on contemporary Philippine society. Sharing such information and experiences with other groups certainly goes a long way towards helping other groups address majority-minority relations and ethnic tensions in a more meaningful and effective way.

The Kaisa Heritage Center. The latest and biggest project of Kaisa, in fact the most significant and long-lasting bridge erected by the organization, is the establishment of the Kaisa Heritage Center which houses Bahay Tsinoy: A Museum of the Chinese in Philippine Life, Kaisa Research and Data Bank Center, Photo Archive and Rare Book Section and the Chinben See Memorial Library, which holds an extensive collection of research materials on the Chinese in the Philippines and elsewhere. This project is unique, not just in the Philippines, but all over the world.

Chinben See Memorial Library. This library comprises an extensive and highly specialized collection of books, articles, magazines, journals and news clippings on the Chinese in the Philippines (and elsewhere). Included in the collection are rare Filipiniana publications that mention or have bearings on early Chinese life in the Philippines. It has been consulted by local and foreign researchers studying the ethnic Chinese of the Philippines and abroad.

Kaisa Research Center and Data Bank. This supplements the library with current research materials, books, dissertations and theses on the ethnic Chinese, microfilmed archival material, data from tombstones of Chinese in cemeteries from Aparri to Jolo. Data on Chinese participation in the Philippine revolution found in the Philippine Revolutionary Records were collected and incorporated into a monograph published in 1996. Policy papers and studies will become significant outputs of the data bank.

Kaisa Heritage Center
KAISA-Angelo King Heritage Center, Anda cor. Cabildo St.
Intramuros, Manila, Philippines
Tel. 5276083/5276086

Chinben See Memorial Library
http://www.philonline.com.ph/~kaisa/library.jpg

A wealth of Kaisa's extensive and highly specialized collection of studies on the Chinese in the Philippines and elsewhere is consulted by local and foreign researchers and dignitaries studying ethnic Chinese here and abroad. Included in the collection are rare Filipiniana publications that mention or have bearings on early Chinese life in the Philippines. The library presently holds more than 8,000 titles in English, Chinese, and Filipino as well as volumes of files, newspaper clippings and other popular articles in journals or magazines, documents and dissertations about the Chinese in the Philippines and other parts of the world.

More Photos of Bahay Tsinoy and others coming soon.