I couldn't find a thread for this, but I passed the site this morning, and it's now cleared. As I was there, a crane turned up!!

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/pookey1967/chancery1610.jpg

Well that looks promising, thanks pookey although they would need to dig the foundations before erecting a crane surely?

Regardless I think we are looking at a start in the very near future on this project. This from a recent edition of Property Week.

High returns: two parties are discussing forward-funding for Chancery Place





The architects, Calder Peel (who's track record I question, frankly) have updated their website.

Chancery Place

A contemporary 13 storey mixed use development. The plan form follows the near triangular shape of the site featuring a strongly expressed glass blade at its leading edge as the major expression of both the building and its entrance.

The elevational composition is made up of three key materials namely glass, metal and concrete. The materials were chosen to develop contextual contrast, while allowing for both internal and external views at low and high level. The major proportion of the Brown Street and Booth Street elevations are formed from a matrix of steel and glass. The steel frames each unit which house double glazed environmental tinted glass panels on a regular grid. The stair tower is formed from cylindrical brushed stainless steel with slotted windows at each half landing to allow it to subtly glow at night.

The building footprint fills the site at ground floor allowing public and street level activity. This is enhanced by the subtle use of a covered pedestrian colonnade allowing a public interaction with the building. By allowing the site to dictate the building footprint not only are we allowing the historic precedence to be relocated, but also reinforcing the urban grid.



http://www.calderpeel.co.uk/projects/city/chanceryplace/chanceryplace_05.jpg

http://www.calderpeel.co.uk/projects/city/chanceryplace/chanceryplace_01.jpg

http://www.calderpeel.co.uk/projects/city/chanceryplace/chanceryplace_02.jpg

http://www.calderpeel.co.uk/projects/city/chanceryplace/chanceryplace_03.jpg

http://www.calderpeel.co.uk/projects/city/chanceryplace/chanceryplace_04.jpg





http://www.millennium-estates.co.uk/images/developments/large/chanceryplace.jpg

Cheers Sleepy, perfick building is that. Just the right tone and height for its location.

Agreed jongeman. This building looks belting for it's setting.

really looking forward to this gettin started, looks like its about to any time

Is it my imagination or does the top of it look better than it did?

I like the building but wasn't happy with the way it was finished on top.

Guys, anyone know the latest on this one?

My weekend pics dried up when I moved away.

JRB, Chris, Highriser, Roly? Anyone do an update?
Would love to see progress on this one.

My Last pic was back in October. They were clearing the site, and a crane had turned up. See thread opener above.

Guys, anyone know the latest on this one?

My weekend pics dried up when I moved away.

JRB, Chris, Highriser, Roly? Anyone do an update?
Would love to see progress on this one.

My Last pic was back in October. They were clearing the site, and a crane had turned up. See thread opener above.

Most of the info is in the CBD Projects thread I think.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancery/chancery1.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancery/chancery2.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancery/chancery3.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancery/chancery4.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancery/chancery5.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancery/chancery6.jpg

The view from this will be very different now :)
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancery/chancery4.jpg

The architects...(who's track record I question, frankly)...

The team that worked on this are excellent. The practice is multi-disciplinary, and you can't feed mouths with revolutions. I hope it works out for them... they are nice people who try to make a difference.

b4mmy, do you happen to know the height of Chancery Place? Thanks.

b4mmy, do you happen to know the height of Chancery Place? Thanks.

I think its 180ft, 80,000 sq ft and 14 floors. But there may have been ammendments to the application, so I might be out of date.... or wrong! Its a great building with all the right influences for the business district, so good luck to them... I can't wait to see it built.

http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/6577/chancery77zt.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5971/chancery87nk.jpg

http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/9509/chancery93rj.jpg

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9935/chancery105hn.jpg

b4mmy, could you shine any light on the ramada hotel in manchester?

Originally Posted by SleepyOne
The architects...(who's track record I question, frankly)...

The team that worked on this are excellent. The practice is multi-disciplinary, and you can't feed mouths with revolutions. I hope it works out for them... they are nice people who try to make a difference.

I guess I had CityGate in mind when I made that rather glib remark although am prepared to accept that Bellway Homes had more than a large part to play in how that particular development turned out.

Chancery Place looks superb though. I hope Millennium Estate, Calder Peel and their backers manage to pull it off and the sooner the better! Great images, thanks bammy and I enjoyed the promo video on your website.

Thanks Guys.
The view from that office over the TownHall is something else.
And the building reminds me of the Llyods building in London.

dont think ive seen these before thanks that man ba4mmy

b4mmy, could you shine any light on the ramada hotel in manchester?

Don't know if you spotted this Kids

http://www.virtual-planit.com/product/tall_buildings/product_tallbu_detail2.htm

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancery/chancery2.jpg

I like the way the proposals include paving over two of the roads around the building. Its sensible and will enhance the urban environment around the building as well as producing what looks to be a great building in itself.

That sure is a nice vista.

IMHO this is nice building but the top isn't right. From up close it looks really fine, but step back to take in the overall building, and there's something bitty, wrong-angled, unlidded, unfinished. I struggle to express myself here, but compare Chancery Place with the whatsit building on the left. IMHO it doesn't look as good because something's wrong. Aw Jeez, it reminds me of that building in Stockport.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancery/chancery6.jpg

You know, the one next to the viaduct.

http://andybarson.co.uk/Aroma/pictures/stockport22.gif

Know what I mean guv?

:-)

Manchester never ever fails to impress me. Wow if only other cities could look like this !

Is it called Regent House?

Yep.

http://www.serviced-offices.co.uk/regenthouse/description.asp

The whatsit building on the left of Chancery Place is attached to the Bank of England building but I don't know its name.

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ewm/newsletter/ewm325a.html

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancerypanorama2.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancerypanorama1.jpg

It'll go like hot cake.

Don't know if you spotted this Kids

http://www.virtual-planit.com/product/tall_buildings/product_tallbu_detail2.htm

That's why i asked him, roly :)

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancery/chancery6.jpg

What a shot that is...

Don't know if you spotted this Kids

http://www.virtual-planit.com/product/tall_buildings/product_tallbu_detail2.htm

I can't chaps. It was a bit of a punt. I think its so close to the river that the building couldn't be put up at a sensible cost.... so I was told. But there's obviously a bit of interest. Just needs a backer. Theres a bit more of a story on calderpeel's website.

I can't chaps. It was a bit of a punt. I think its so close to the river that the building couldn't be put up at a sensible cost.... so I was told. But there's obviously a bit of interest. Just needs a backer. Theres a bit more of a story on calderpeel's website.


Apparently the unflappable Mr Simpson gave up on this one aswell?

Apparently the unflappable Mr Simpson gave up on this one aswell?

Hi jrb did Simpson's do a scheme for it as well? Have you got any images?

Hi jrb did Simpson's do a scheme for it as well? Have you got any images?

No that man.

Rumour has it Simpson was approached, and even he couldn't come up with a viable redevelopment plan. It's such a difficult site.

No that man.

Rumour has it Simpson was approached, and even he couldn't come up with a viable redevelopment plan. It's such a difficult site.

I think he could have come up with an idea. The problem with the site is getting enough money together to put the foundations in. As I said it was a bit of a punt, but it was worth it.

I think he could have come up with an idea. The problem with the site is getting enough money together to put the foundations in. As I said it was a bit of a punt, but it was worth it.

There's a possibility that the Greengate scheme across the way is either holding the Ramada redevelopment up, or it has now become apart of it? Lets hope the Ramada Hotel is being incorporated in the Greengate scheme.

There's a possibility that the Greengate scheme across the way is either holding the Ramada redevelopment up, or it has now become apart of it? Lets hope the Ramada Hotel is being incorporated in the Greengate scheme.


Theres a reason why they reopened Salford Bus Station (Exchange Bus Station), think the whole area is going to take off soon

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P2150014copy.jpg

A scar on the cityscape.

That shot makes me want it to be a public square...

That shot makes me want it to be a public square...

Perhaps you should write to the developers and ask them to give it to the people of Manchester for such a purpose.
And whilst you are at it you could perhaps write to Santa, The Easter Bunny and the Tooth fairy for all the good it will do.

A scar on the cityscape.

Another great shot Chris.... where do you get the time....have you got a proper job? Seriously, it does expose some nice lines doesn't it... now, I'm sure I saw some diggers somewhere....

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancery/chancery6.jpg

Wish it had more of a playful roof line, looks a bit flat, chunky and uninspired, especially in that vista with all the chimney tops and Victorian attention to detail. All they had to do was raise the stairwell portion to a suitable climax and that blocky bit sticking up at the back. A bit umimaginative given whats around it.

Wish it had more of a playful roof line
Maybe it will when it gets put up, these images are about 2 years old... there will almost certainly have been detail changes since these were done.

I agree with that, potto. I reckoned it needs a cap or a lid or a peak or something, because the top looks a bit sixties, like that building next to the viaduct in Stockport. By the way, bammy took this picture. Thanks bammy.

It's only in the picture that it looks kind of 'messy' on the roof. Down on the street you're not going to see the top. A 'cap or lid' on this unspectacular office building would be gilding the lily somewhat.
The roofs of most city buildings are usually quite crappy when you see them from above, so I wouldn't be getting too mithered about it lads....

Ill stick this in here Bammy posted it in the Beetham thread,,,looks great :)

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/6607/chancerycityscape2qf.jpg

Put a cap on it, and it could look gobsmacker spectacular, Miles.

Diggers on site this afternoon,,,let the building begin :)

Nice on riser, can you get a pic for the 'archive' sometime?

will do tomoz matey

Mint news, cant wait for some pics.

Has this got PP?
Ive not seen it (conservation area - relationship to listed buildings etc).
Well in fact i have seen it but the application was for an open car park!
Could be just ground work so unless someone knows otherwise i wouldnt hold your breath boys.

I thought this had PP?

I thought this had PP?

It has for about three uses.

1) The office block
2) A mixed use
3) A ground floor car park

Would be pointless to have a ground car park in that location, you wouldnt get more than 30 cars on that site.

Sorry - you're right! I just hadnt seen an app. for a building which i really should have done and quetions will be asked as to why i didnt!

yes it got planning about 2 maybe 3 years ago I think, the scheme that will be constructed is commercial and I think the car parking is undercroft....

yes it got planning about 2 maybe 3 years ago I think, the scheme that will be constructed is commercial and I think the car parking is undercroft....

The only application ive seen was about a year ago for demolition and change of use to a surface car park (which in itself made a mockery of a couple of planning and conservation area regulations) but i really should have seen any designs for a building on that site. Not saying you are wrong - just surprised we werent consulted on final designs.

The only application ive seen was about a year ago for demolition and change of use to a surface car park (which in itself made a mockery of a couple of planning and conservation area regulations) but i really should have seen any designs for a building on that site. Not saying you are wrong - just surprised we werent consulted on final designs.

We've known about this for ages on here, you really must pull your socks up Longford!

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/914ChanceryPlace_pic1.jpg

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=914

Replacing this:

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/914ChanceryPlace_pic5.jpg

Longford bursts out crying! ;)

We've known about this for ages on here, you really must pull your socks up Longford!

If no one tells me its difficult to keep up. Which bit have you known about for ages exactly - when did the 13 storey building get PP?
I need to have a moan about this to someone (not you lot - dont worry) so i need to know the facts ma'am.

ps. scot prov house was fucking shit, even i thought that - although a mate of mine did look into putting a bar in the ground floor once but was told not to bother.....! We found out why about 6 months later when the bulldozers moved in!

If no one tells me its difficult to keep up. Which bit have you known about for ages exactly - when did the 13 storey building get PP?

It must be as B4mmy says, about 2 years ago.

If no one tells me its difficult to keep up. Which bit have you known about for ages exactly - when did the 13 storey building get PP?
I need to have a moan about this to someone (not you lot - dont worry) so i need to know the facts ma'am.

It's been ages Longshanks, I started working on this 3 maybe 4 years ago... maybe its a good thing you didnt know about it you might have started a bloody campaign to save the old shite building... maybe your colleagues hid it from you just in case! :)

Longford, I suggest that you read Caw's Manchester Developments thread (it's been in there has having planning for yonks) just to make sure that you are not in for any more little shocks! ;)

It's been ages Longshanks, I started working on this 3 maybe 4 years ago... maybe its a good thing you didnt know about it you might have started a bloody campaign to save the old shite building... maybe your colleagues hid it from you just in case! :)

Only joined the panel about 2 and half years ago so before my time.
As far as scot prov house goes i refer my learned friend to my ps that i edited in to my previous post.
And to you WD - :baeh3:

Chanery Place will be a fantastic addition to Manchester , what is there to moan about Longy ? That fact that something as got through planning and you did'nt know about it ?

Im looking forward to seeing this one go up , it's a beaut :)

Chanery Place will be a fantastic addition to Manchester , what is there to moan about Longy ? That fact that something as got through planning and you did'nt know about it ?

Im looking forward to seeing this one go up , it's a beaut :)

No - its not that. My confusion has been cleared up now.
It is in an conservation area and it is in spitting distance of the former Midland Bank (one of the most important buildings in manchester) so it has to be good. I was just surprised i hadnt seen it at application stage thats all.
I personally thinks its bobbins but you lot seem to like it and i'm not going to be precious about it.
Let em build it i say.

Longy i dont get you sometimes ,you think Chancery Place is bobbins ,but you like that peice of shit on the junction of Swan St ?
Your either being awkward or mad :)

I'm an enigma wrapped up in a riddle!
:tyty:

I think it's nice but the roofline lets it down because them projecting lift cores say "sixties".

I don't have a problem with projecting lift/plant cores at all, no different to the chimney in many ways.

Old ground I know, but aw, I think they look cheap.

There's definitely "something of the Stockport" about them:

http://andybarson.co.uk/Aroma/pictures/stockport22.gif

And nothing like chimneys, here or anywhere. And out of keeping. And out of alignment. Shakes head. Schoolboy error this. Tsk. Four out of Ten See Me.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancery/chancery6.jpg

CIS works and it's got a great big bloody huge one, and I don't see you complaining about them on the GNT.

...i'm not going to be precious about it.

That render is an old one Longshanks, it isn't as trtansparent as that now. The planners liked the scheme because it is the same height as similar buildings at that number of streets back, and its in keeping with the contemporary style there as well. It fills a gap in the skyline, but more importantly is providing regeneration for a dark and gloomy street that had a run down building on it. Its gonna be cool Longshanks.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/manchester/chancery2.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/manchester/chancery7.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/manchester/chancery1.jpg

Weasty: Yeah, CIS has got one huge one. Not two at different angles to one another. And the GNT ones are regular, like bones in the design. They work. This don't. Especially where it is. Especially when the rest of it is so classy.

I'm feeling it up until about the 9th floor but then justs goes all bleaaah!
No disrespect to your render but i'd like to see some elevations as well. Its sort of got that Rogers Lloyds building thing going on (a bit). Like i say dont have that many objections to it - it just seems to hit the street quite harshly and its a bit over powering on a restricted site.
I shall give it the benefit of the doubt (not that anyone gives a shit what i think!).

Put a cap on it, and it could look gobsmacker spectacular, Miles.
Oh alright then, what are coloured glass 'pyramids' going for nowadays? ;)

That should about do it...

Oi.

I was thinking of mentioning them funny little blue cranes, Longford. It's the stairwell I guess. I like the stairwell.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Lloyds_Building_stair_case.jpg/180px-Lloyds_Building_stair_case.jpg

I'll have a guess now. Diggers you say (as opposed to piling rigs)? Sounds like a surface car park to me for the next few years.















Nah, just kidding. They have to reduce to basement level first.

I really like this one, It should be a boost for that area. I like the use of materials and not a red brick in sight :)

Yesterday.
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/914ChanceryPlace_pic8.jpg

The digger got to work today :)

The digger got to work today :)

Hopefully it's doing some proper bob the builder digging and not just a bit of scraping :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture119.jpg

Oh dear me. What do I see? MOT type 1 sub base for a surface car park. I hope I'm wrong for once ;)

Stop it Jerv! :gaah:

Anyone want a virtual fiver on it?
http://www.koit.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fiver.jpg

:lol:

I agree, it does look a bit dodgy that pile of stones!

However, maybe they actually dug it up, off shot, and arranged it in a nice little pile. ;)

mmmmmmmmmmust admit I'm confused by that pile as well.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/manchester/chanceryplace_01.jpg

I used to love etch a sketch before laptops and 'paint' came about!

I used to love etch a sketch before laptops and 'paint' came about!

....and Spirograph! (and Super Spirograph!!!!)

There's not enough Jerv, and it's in the wrong place. I reckon that's just for a clean dry site. So go on then, you're on:

http://www.koit.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fiver.jpg

Alright Mate. Your on.

That is one wagonload. Who's to say it wasn't the first of 10?

It could just be to form a suitable working platfom for mobile cranes, piling rigs and the like, but I'm a shit stirrer so I stand by my claim!! ;)

It's going to be so funny when this turns out to be a 40 space surface car park after all the anticipation.

Aw, it's just so's the delivery trucks don't get muddy or stuck or sink down and turn over.

Do you want me to make some enquiries with my mates at t'council?

yes. Theres a virtual oneer in it for you.

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/IMP/IMP140/1-sterling-pound-coin.jpg

Went past the site on the way home,,that pile of gravel as been flattened in just one corner ? they've put another one of them sign's up saying Chancery Plce is coming,,

And 3 guys with them tripod things were , doing what they do ( dont know ).

Went past the site on the way home,,that pile of gravel as been flattened in just one corner ? they've put another one of them sign's up saying Chancery Plce is coming,,

And 3 guys with them tripod things were , doing what they do ( dont know ).

I reckon they were marking out the piles, and that gravel is probably for on-site parking while they get on with the preliminaries....

Transit and Theodolite highriser - not usually used in surface car park surveying!
No news from t'Town Hall - there is real time and the time that council officials work on which is called treacle time but ive asked.

Guys with tripods? That's it then, they're figuring where the white lines go.
For marking out the spaces for a surface car park. :runaway:

Well if they have put up a new sign saying Chancery Place is coming soon... then it probably isn't going to be a surface car park. But I suspect there is some sarcasm on the previous page. Get the fucker built.

If they have just stoned up one corner, then I am inclined to change my mind. The stoned up area may well be for the site cabins.

Keep an eye on this one guys and celebrate at the first sign of a big drill or pile-driver.

Well permission for a temporary surface car park was granted alongside permission for an 80,000 sq ft office block and a mixed office / aparthotel.

I posted some time ago that the were in discussions with backers to forward fund the project, Bammy confirmed the fact that they are going for the all-office option. Considering all that together with the rents being achieved at The Pinnacle on King Street I would be very surprised if they are not actually making a start on site to actually build the thing finally.

If they have just stoned up one corner, then I am inclined to change my mind. The stoned up area may well be for the site cabins.

Keep an eye on this one guys and celebrate at the first sign of a big drill or pile-driver.


Oh i forgot,,there is 2 cabins on site :)

Didnt cross your mind to ask the fellas with the tripods what was happening eh highrider?
Verbal communication is a fantastic thing you know?

Now now :)


I go past every day,,i ask just for you sweety :)

Only joshing with you highriser - its just i'm always bothering innocent security guards/ delivery drivers/plasterers/ scaffolders/ planning officers for goss. They will gladly dish some info that developers wont give you.
It can yield great results. Just act all nonchalant and pretend to be a harmless nerd (which i know will be difficult to many of you) and they usually humour you.

lol,,,well i'll see what goss ,i get tomorrow , i'll make sure i'll wear that sweater me gran knitted me , then i'll look like a top nerd :laugh:

Knitweartastic!

You'd be surprised how many people are interested in stuff like this, I bet security guards etc get asked loads of questions from those passing. I've got quite a few people reading this site, it's all exciting stuff to a lot of people. Most people are aware that there's loads of building going on, but just not the scale of it.

To most Mancs of my generation, it's all a bit hard to take in.

Then there are people who are just nosey buggers. Can't see it being a turned into a temporary carpark - the website says completion 2007 so they need to crack on with it now.

http://www.millennium-estates.co.uk/developments/chanceryplace

Longy did'nt have time today to ask about Chancery Place ,got sidetracked wandering the streets of Ancoat's :)

I'll ask tomorrow ok :)

I reckon they have to make a start soon anyway, regardless

....got sidetracked wandering the streets of Ancoat's :)

Nice image - i see you as a lonely James Dean type figure just idling around the urban decay with hunched shoulders and your rain mac on thinking
"MMmmm i wish they would knock all this old shit down!" :)

I'll ask tomorrow ok


Dont do it for my benefit mate - to be honest i dont give a shit - i just thought your curosity would have got the better of you and you couldnt have resisted asking the nice surveyors
"Sooooooo - whats going on here then my good man?"

hehe,,,Longy you know me so well , and we've never met :)

Anyway , went past the site today 2 guys only on site ,who were both hard at work , but im thinking this is going to be a surface car park for the time being,,i may be wrong but they are graveling that whole site from what i could see :(

The thlot plickens eh?
No news from my council contact but i suspect Peter Babb has him locked up in the basement in a cage most of the time and he is only let out for planning commitees.
As you know i'm a cynical old twat and these Millenium Estates lot look like 2 bit house builders to me and this looks like their first venture into commercial property (except another scheme in liverpoool which also seems to be going nowhere)
I'm feeling they ran this scheme up to gain its PP (knowing they would never get PP for surface car park) and want to sell it on to a developer who can handle it - in the meantime they want to make a bit of cash on the site and 40 spaces round those parts can mean quite bit of cash in the short term!
They can sell the land and the planning permision on in a year or so and raise a profit and have covered their expenses with the revenue from the parking.
This is just a opinion mind-
I would much rather see a building go up.

Who's got the virtual ashtray with the virtual fivers in it? Highriser you had it last you theiving tw@t. Did you stick it in that virtual nudger again?

Lol,,,not guilty Jerv :)

Must have been that fella with the tweed jacket. You know who you are.

;)

As you know i'm a cynical old twat and these Millenium Estates lot look like 2 bit house builders to me
..careful 'shanks. They aren't and a deal takes time. It was an achievement enough to get that scheme through planning on that particular site so they ain't 2 bit by any stretch of the imaginationion... check the planning application for a clue about whats happening in the immediate future, but I hear there is something rumbling....

..careful 'shanks. They aren't and a deal takes time. It was an achievement enough to get that scheme through planning on that particular site so they ain't 2 bit by any stretch of the imaginationion... check the planning application for a clue about whats happening in the immediate future, but I hear there is something rumbling....

ooh - you are so enigmatic mr bamford.
When i say 2 bit i really mean "This company, whilst having a good track record of quality housing schemes in the north Cheshire area, have yet to break into the city centre commercial sector. With Chancery Place Millenium Estates look certain to add a new level of quality and refinement to Manchester's already thriving commercial market".
Should be a copywriter shouldnt i?
As Roy Walker used to say on Catchphrase 'say what you see' and with ME and this pile of gravel i see a car park.
I hope to be proved wrong and i'm sure you are all queueing up to have the honour of doing that!

i'm sure you are all queueing up to have the honour of doing that!

Don't be so sensitive 'shanks, it always happens after we have a baby... its a territorial thing.... don't you remember from last time?

....you are amongst friends, Caesar!

I actually enjoy being the subject of sustained and offensive ridicule and abuse.
It is the Puritan streak in me. Thats why i support Burnley and champion brutalist post war architecture.
Like i said i would actually be very disappointed to see a fucking surface carpark here so please lord - let me be wrong!

I actually enjoy being the subject of sustained and offensive ridicule and abuse.
It is the Puritan streak in me. Thats why i support Burnley and champion brutalist post war architecture.
Like i said i would actually be very disappointed to see a fucking surface carpark here so please lord - let me be wrong!

Like I said, they have got to start soon regardless. Do you get me?

Like I said, they have got to start soon regardless. Do you get me?

I think i do my friend, i think i do........! ;)

Looks like Chancery Place is getting built after all , pile drill started on site today,,looks like you've lost that fiver Jerv :)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/100_0716.jpg

Minted news.

Shit....I mean good...ooh err.....Good!

nice one H

Ho ho. Five pounds please Jerv.

I think you'll find that if you look back i definitely said this building is going to get built and the gravel is just to give some footing to the pile driver and a car park was never going on this site.
I never doubted Millenium estates ever and anyone who says i did is lying! :doh:

Ho ho. Five pounds please Jerv.

http://www.koit.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fiver.jpg

Grumble mumble...fucking cheap bastard...mumble mumble

Looking at that site now, its made me realise just how pointless putting a car park there would have been. Capacity... 6 cars???

Probably about 12 cars, @ £10 a working day = £31,000 pa, give or take odd bank holiday. Maybe it is worth it. I think it'd make a good IMO car wash site, but the traffic flow's too restricted around there to warrant a drive-thru KFC, so that's a non starter...... :runaway:

http://www.koit.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fiver.jpg

Grumble mumble...fucking cheap bastard...mumble mumble
Thankin you Jerv. I shall spend it on a nice cold ice cold virtual beer.

Probably about 12 cars, @ £10 a working day = £31,000 pa, give or take odd bank holiday. Maybe it is worth it. I think it'd make a good IMO car wash site, but the traffic flow's too restricted around there to warrant a drive-thru KFC, so that's a non starter...... :runaway:
Or you could build an large office block worth millions and make alot more money than that per year but I dont know how much it would be.

Only jesting, I haven't got a clue about building/rental yields, but suffice it to say returns are vastly more than tens of thousands a year. Especially at the moment.

I don't know where the speculation's come from about this site. There'll be something good on it before too long, no mistake. Forget Spinningfields even, this is prime CBD territory.

From today, one surface car park coming up :D.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/DSC00739.jpg

so in between the waffle from you lot i can't actually make out whether this is going to be a surface car park or a mighty fine new building.

can anyone give me some definitive answers?!

(serious ones only please)

When you read through a thread and determine it's waffle, chances are we don't know what's going on.

Maybe that's it - it's to be a surface waffle with exits made from Maple syrup.

My council connection told me yesterday that as far as he was concerned a 15 storey building is going on that site for sure. He couldnt be certain when but he speculates that any car park will be temporary (6 months).
But to be honest he was bewildered about current events (its officially out of his hands now) but he was almost sure a building will be appearing soon.
Still think the best thing to do is ask one of the fellas on the site whats happening.

When you read through a thread and determine it's waffle, chances are we don't know what's going on.

incorrect

nearly all threads on here are waffle and sometimes asking a question like the one above will help me to get the facts

cheers anyway though

My council connection told me yesterday that as far as he was concerned a 15 storey building is going on that site for sure. He couldnt be certain when but he speculates that any car park will be temporary (6 months).
But to be honest he was bewildered about current events (its officially out of his hands now) but he was almost sure a building will be appearing soon.
Still think the best thing to do is ask one of the fellas on the site whats happening.

thanks for the info

i work on king street so i think i will walk over at lunchtime and see what they have to say

^^ That's a very good idea Timo.
Make sure you post your findings.
I like honey on mine.

Pile driver gone. Stones and digger in. Car Park. What a shame.......

^^ That's a very good idea Timo.
Make sure you post your findings.
I like honey on mine.

i actually forgot and went to the gym instead

will do tomorrow

Farsight, there is a distinct possibility of you taking your missus' wedding ring down the pawn shop so you can pay me that virtual tenner. ;)

Yeh, nothing much happening on site today. Heck, it's only small anyway.

i walked past today and asked one of the geezers on site but he said he didn't know???????

Give Millennium a call.

The site/surface is as flat as the moons.

No machinery, nothing.

Nothing happening at all.

The site/surface is as flat as the moons.

No machinery, nothing.

Nothing happening at all.
Awww :(

My opinion?
6 to 12 months of carpark then something in the ground.
Just using the carpark to generate a bit of income whilst they sort some finances out.
Just an educated guess.
I would like to see a building going in here no matter what and sooner rather than later. The CBD doesnt need a surface carpark. What is this? The blinking 1950's or something?

Ok, that’s it. I’m having an apostrophe amnesty. If anybody has got the little blighters hanging around in their 1920s, 30s, 40s, 50s or 60s can you please hand them in here? Enough’s enough.

Sorry freezingone.
You obviously know about this sort of thing.
I am probably wrong in this instance so do apologise but what if something was from the 1950s and you were saying "It is a building from the 1950's".
You are talking about the possesive (ie it belongs to the 1950's) and therefore surely warrants an apostrophe?

You lot have discussions about the strangest things!

Incidently Longford, I've just put your co-ordinates into google earth and zoomed in like a scene from a US Bombing run - People could hunt you down leaving that sort of information lying around. Or maybe it's an enemy? I'm not stalking you - honest!

Also your new avatar is even more rubbish than the previous one - I hope it doesn't have personal value, like drawn by one of your kids... Incidently, there's a planning officer at Tameside council called Mr J Shuttleworth, just thought you'd like to know.

Isn't that picture the kid out of King of the Hill? Bobby I think he's called.

Isn't that picture the kid out of King of the Hill? Bobby I think he's called.
Ye I cant stand it, it gives me the creeps.

Sorry freezingone.
You obviously know about this sort of thing.
I am probably wrong in this instance so do apologise but what if something was from the 1950s and you were saying "It is a building from the 1950's".
You are talking about the possesive (ie it belongs to the 1950's) and therefore surely warrants an apostrophe?

Hmm, not quite sure that counts as possession, but perhaps (we certainly would use the word belong but would it be in the right sense?). I certainly tell my students not to put them in dates and I don’t think that I’ve ever seen them your way in history books. Anyhow, it’s nor really important either way, just being a pedant. Maybe even for no good reason. It’s an interesting point though. Expert please, on the double.

Bobby Hill is my role model!
Hi-fi - I thought i could sense someone watching me! Did the co-ordinates work?
frozen - yes it is important and not pedantry. I'm a grammar nazi so i must practise what i preach! I now know better.

Any news anyone?

Any news anyone?

No B4mbi ,, was you expecting some ?

I heard that it had gravel on it a while ago... have any cars parked on it yet?

Try here:
www.chanceryplace.com/carpark/webcam

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/safari_tower.jpg





*Warning. May confuse Windows users.

*Warning. May confuse Windows users.

Aren't Windows users always confused?

Anyway, Where's Farsight with my virtual beer tokens? I know his kids will go without food for a week, but thats gambling with the big boys for you.

*Warning. May confuse Windows users.
:lol: well said mate. Macs rule.

Quality site this, it won't be in limbo for long.

You want another bet, Jervy boy?

But we could go on like this forever. OK then, I bet you they will not build exactly what has been realeased so far ( i.e. bammy's renders). Arn't millenium estates trying to sell this site anyway?

A little laminated planning notice has gone up on this site. It's dated 12th June and seems to be related to this:

*clicky* (http://www.publicaccess.manchester.gov.uk/publicaccess/dc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=J02OR1BC30000&searchtype=PROPERTY&module=P1)

I don't understand how these things work. Does this mean the developers are still keen to go ahead with the original plan?

A little laminated planning notice has gone up on this site. It's dated 12th June and seems to be related to this:

*clicky* (http://www.publicaccess.manchester.gov.uk/publicaccess/dc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=J02OR1BC30000&searchtype=PROPERTY&module=P1)

I don't understand how these things work. Does this mean the developers are still keen to go ahead with the original plan?

It just means that the site hasn't commenced construction within the timescales required by planning. If the site never goes into the ground, and I'm not saying that this is the case, the site WITH planning is worth far far more than without it.

It just means that the site hasn't commenced construction within the timescales required by planning. If the site never goes into the ground, and I'm not saying that this is the case, the site WITH planning is worth far far more than without it.

Thanks. So nothing too exciting then. Oh well...

I think this relates to a old permission which has since been superceded by two more applications which i believe have both been granted. I think they just want to keep all of their options open (including a surface car park).
As far as i know this site has 3 different PP on it.

I think this relates to a old permission which has since been superceded by two more applications which i believe have both been granted. I think they just want to keep all of their options open (including a surface car park).
As far as i know this site has 3 different PP on it.

Well on the bright side, the car park will be very handy for days when I have to take the car into work...

Well on the bright side, the car park will be very handy for days when I have to take the car into work...
Those spaces arent meant for us mere mortals - expect Range Rovers and Aston Martins in that car park.
Contract parking there will earn a fucking fortune.

Can I park my bike there do you think?

Can I park my bike there do you think?
I reckon you could roly. If its a Kona, or a Specialized let me know when and I'll make sure it stays safe:)

Hoffman deebo's the way to go.

I'm afraid its a lowley Trek 1500, but mine is black

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j159/rolybling2/1500_silverblueteam.jpg

Nice ride rolyeigh!
I had a bike from before i could walk and always had one but i smashed my knee caps when i was 17 and was never the same again and in the end the pain became unbearable.
I had to give my bike up about 4 years ago and have put on 3 stone and get puffed out reading the paper nowadays. I really miss my bike.

Get back on track then Longspokes! Same happened to me...I couldn't keep up with the kids so I thought I'd make the effort to shed a few stone!

Nice bike roly - I quite fancy upgrading my 'urban' ridgeback for a Trek/Specialised et al...tubular pipe dream at the moment however.
On the subject - does anyone fancy joining me on the Manchester 100 race for Christies?

http://www.bike-events.com/new/#top

Roly already agreed (part payment for missing the spinny day out) :)

It'll probably kill me, but I did an 18 mile return trip to Sportscity (via the loop and canal...) over the weekend...few more of these I'll be ok.
It's the future dudes.

....does anyone fancy joining me on the Manchester 100 race for Christies?

http://www.bike-events.com/new/#top


....actually, I've been meaning to do this for a while...100 isn't as far as you think. I can do 26 miles light cross country no trouble so 100 of roads should be a doddle...are there many hills?

B4mmy not sure - goes through delamere forest I believe. So are you in?
I'm booking my place this week...considering the cause and hardships suffered this is sod all in the scheme of things.

btw - give me two minutes mate...

B4mmy not sure - goes through delamere forest I believe. So are you in?
I'm booking my place this week...considering the cause and hardships suffered this is sod all in the scheme of things.

btw - give me two minutes mate...

I'm in!

'xcellent:
That makes three then: Myself, you and Roly :)
longarmstrong is considering...there must be a few more?
are you still on the blower btw?

Key Manc site sold

Property Week | 14.07.2006

A consortium of Irish investors has acquired a key Manchester site from developer Millennium Estates to build a city centre tower.

Confirms recent rumours of Millennium Estates' exit from this scheme. Does this mean a greater chance of a start on site sooner rather than later or has it been bought for investment rather than development?

so does that mean someones bought/taken on the chancery project or just the land to build their own tower? :S

so does that mean someones bought/taken on the chancery project or just the land to build their own tower? :S

Its been bought with planning. I dare say there will be some detail changes but I doubt that it will be sat empty for long matey.

Really hope they have a full redesign, not taken with the existing at all; although it is a tight area to get a decent image of what it will really feel like.

Personally I would have loved a fairy godmother to have turned it back into a square, so many fantastic buildings surround it, it could be one of the very finest public spaces in town. An impossible dream though.

Tower? Maybe it's going to get taller!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=9376388&postcount=465

'Garden' in city sells for £9.5m

A BARE patch of city centre earth, barely larger than a garden, is said to have been sold for approaching £9.5m.

The sale of the land at the junction of Chancery Lane and Booth Street could signal the start of development on a site that has been derelict or empty since 1993.

Compstall Developments are understood to have sold the site last Friday for a figure close to £9.5m. It was once occupied by Scottish Provident House.
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The sale means a profit of several million for the vendors, who acquired the site for just £5m.

The new owners insist they will press ahead with redevelopment fast. Jonathan Mills, director at Jones Lang LaSalle, who advised the buyers, said: "We've acquired this site on behalf of Irish investor-developers who are now talking to design teams and contractors and really want to get moving on this scheme."

"We hope for completion of building works by late 2007 or early 2008. Ideally, they'd like to start on site this September."

Floundered

The site has planning permission for a 13-storey office tower, but attempts to develop it have so far floundered.

In the 1990s, then owners Axa Sun Life failed to deliver on plans to redevelop the site, and attempted to sell it. The buyers in 2001 were Manchester-based Millennium Estates, a sister company of Compstall, and their partners Merepark. Merepark subsequently sold its interest.

Two years ago Scottish Provident House was demolished.

John Davies, company secretary at Compstall, said: "The deal isn't complete yet. We're not in a position to say anything about it. Hopefully it will be finalised soon."

Thanks simo.

The words 'squeezing every penny out of the site' springs to mind.
My reading of that is that the new owners dont like the 'old' design because the return on it isnt enough and they want to 'talk to design teams' to see how they can get more out of the site and start covering the ridiculous price they have paid.
Sadly this may mean we get a cheaper building and a compromise on the design and finishes.

This is all supposition.

There is no way on gods green grass that a revised planning application will be drawn up, consulted and approved by September, which is when they want to be on site by. Even if they can get planning it will take much longer than that to get the drawings ready for building regs etc... And a change of use or even redesign will always risk being kicked out...not a good move when you are shelling out this kind of money. And Manchester CC is getting fussier.

My take is that there will be minor tweeks which Calderpeel would do as it's their scheme. If the new owner wants to tweek the design they will have little choice but to go to CP as they may disown the scheme and the developer will be left high and dry, forced to start again. There's no need to do this anyway. Its a fine building crowbarred into the space and makes very efficient use of the quirky shape of the site.

To be on site by September, and built within 18 months they will be going with CP and the last application, with possible amendments. I doubt very much that the scheme will shrink by a single centimeter... if anything it might get a floor added... or the undercroft car parking increased, or possibly sacrifice some of the open space inside the scheme.

Just my opinion mind! Anyway I'm copying this to the Chancery Place thread so it doesn't get lost.

;)

No no no! I totally agree - perhaps i didnt make myself clear. I agree that a new application will not go in - what i was trying to say is that the 'talks with design teams' may be to try and shave costs and increase yield within the current PP.

You are not going to get much taller on this site due to the proximity to the town hall, the building already designed for that plot of land is perfect for it.

Something is about to start on site :)

Went past today , digger's and workmen all over the site :)

Something is about to start on site :)

Went past today , digger's and workmen all over the site :)

Good news. Now we need some pics.

ignore this post i balls up :laugh:

Well Chancery Place looks like it about to start , the whole site as been extended with steel gates going up across half the road , and the small road that goes around the back of the site as been closed off .

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/100_1079.jpg

Well Chancery Place looks like it about to start , the whole site as been extended with steel gates going up across half the road , and the small road that goes around the back of the site as been closed off .

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/100_1079.jpg

Loving it... am really hoping this building turns out as well as I hope it does.

There's going to be a revision to the application. I understand its going to be bigger, and take up a bigger footprint. Not sure what the planners will have to say about that....

Will the height increase too?

Cant see the height increasing with it being close to the Town Hall.

Mister Bigger Footprint means darker, rabbit-warren, closed-in, claustrophobic streets. He walks hand in hand with Mrs Height Reduction who is twitters on about how she saves us all from darker, rabbit-warren, closed-in, claustrophobic streets.

So we're going to end up with a short, fat building rather than a tall, slender one?

Progress!

Not.

I hope not. I guess we'll see. Unless b4mmy can shed a ray of light?

the amendment will show a height increase....

Thankyou b4mmy.

I think the planners might cut them some slack on this one, especially when you consider that this is an office development on a prime site. As long as the design elements are quality and dont clash too much with the Town Hall.

the amendment will show a height increase....

:cheer:

I think this was inevitable after the investors paid so much money for the site. There isn't really anywhere for the building to expand horizontally (not sure how it could actually have a much larger footprint) so it was always going to get taller. I presume they have been in discussions with the town hall as this is a really sensitive area.

http://www.millennium-estates.co.uk/images/developments/large/chanceryplace.jpg
This pic seems to show that the old footprint takes up most of the site. Unless they are going into the pavement and road its not really gona have a much bigger footprint.

there is (was) a small landscaped courtyard at the back...

there is (was) a small landscaped courtyard at the back...

.......not any more!

Unlike most people on here, I've never been keen on the design. Too busy.

just to remind you guys what the last incarnation looked like....

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/manchester/chancery2.jpg

I think it looks mint. Its got miles more style than one of those boring Glass Simpson Boxes.

Never liked it , never will.
No offence to b4mmy but i think the renders are making a purse out of a sows ear (actually thats a compliment too b4mmy isnt it - of sorts?)
Its too 'bright' and showy. Too sparkly and the design has no panache.
It falls between the Modern and PoMO stools (which isnt a good look).
This site can handle a tallish building but this design is just not clever enough for such an important site.
Say what you like about Simpson boxes but it seems that its too difficult nowadays for architects to design simple , restrained buildings,, something Simpson is able to do.
If this gets built i will bet you the value of a square metre of floor space that it will come down in our lifetime and will considered a 'mistake' and an 'eyesore'.
As my school report often said- Must try harder.

....and its greedy aswell. Even the render has people pushing each other off the pavement to get passed. A cleverer building would optimise value without losing so much public realm. Even the building before had a little courtyard of sorts out front - yet i suppose that was built in less avaricious times.

I think it will inevitably end up simpler, the build cost would be pretty high on this scheme. I'm not involved any longer so I dont mind commenting.

That was very perceptive on the people at the front by the way, I'll definitely build that into my thinking in future...

....'perceptive' is my middle name.
Or is it Michael?
I can never remember.

more action on site this morning...

Could be the finest public space in the city, and I hate people saying that kind of thing about any old patch of scrub, but it has been one of my pet rants for many years! At least I have had the opportunity to savour what might have been after the previous carbuncle was dropped, have enjoyed walking through for the last few months.

So that having been said it would take a complete masterpiece for me to be happy about anything going back up, but this monster takes the piss. A blatant attempt at “something a bit Rodgers/Lloyds” but with no courage or conviction, just looks a mess. Absolutely atrocious, and no amount of tinkering and tweaking will change that.

Anyone who hasn’t gone down and savoured this while its as empty as its going to be for 30-40 years, do it, and mourn!

I don't like the top. It ought to be neat and tidy, not all bitty with different heights and angles with the lift cores showing. If it had a neat top it would look a whole lot better.

All well and good about public space architecty. We all like public open space. But it ain't going to happen, for the same reason that your house hasn't been levelled to make a park.

I assure you that the demure scale of the resulting park, and the grandiose scale of the existing one round the corner 100% guarantees the safety of my house from rampant spec park builders for all of time.

That however is not the same reason why planning errors of the past should not be rectified; I didnt suggest though that it was possible in any shape or form. I cant stand public space for the sake of it arguments as we often get on here, land in cities is better developed in the vast majority of cases rather than create bland uninhabited public realm.

When we all grow out of our car worshiping phase and give the majority of city centres streets back to pedestrians as continuous strips of public realm, then I really will be happy; Manchester is making pretty good strides in this direction without anyone really noticing.

Tinkering with the top won’t solve anything. Faffy changes to already poor designs, tends to make then even worse in my experience.

is anyone aware of the completion date for this?

Architecty: I was thinking of something akin to the BoE building next door. More than just tinkering. I think taller buildings look better with some kind of capping structure rather than ending kaput with lift cores showing.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancery/chancery6.jpg

Architecty dont worry matey, some quality office towers WILL prevail in this city. Thats as long as Amec win the Victoria station job.

The only way chancery place will look any better is if its extented, even just another 5 floors will make it appear more slender.

Sorry Bammy, but I actually recken (or hope) that this will look better in the skin. I dont think that the metalic finish shows so well on the CGI's.

Plus. You cant compare to Lloyds as it was built in London and had money to burn.

thats an old one, and the revised scheme will be different again.... not bothered. I hope it looks even more complicated when its finished.... :-)

I reckon we still have a lot to learn from Disney....

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancery/disney.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancery/disnery.jpg

I reckon we still have a lot to learn from Disney....


Surely in that case.....?

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f85/garybaldy/chancery6copy.jpg

You're entering Will Allsop territory there Longford haha!

I do like the curved roof amendment that you made Bammy. What do you think Farsight? You've been championing an amendment to the cap. Personally I like it!

I really like it Gshutty. Thanks b4mmy. That makes a big difference. Much better. It looks designed, dressed, finished, capped off, completed, when previously it looked like like some work-in-progress from seventies Stockport.

I find it hard to describe why I like a "proper top" on a building like this. Maybe it's because I see it a bit like a person, and the windows are eyes. So if there's no top it's rather like somebody whose head stops dead at the eyebrows. Don't look quite right.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancery/chancery6.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/chancery/disnery.jpg

oops sorry

Dont apologise!
What did you do?
Was it naughty?

big hole on site now ,,

big hole on site now ,,
Mint, any pics?

Please don’t show the horror of the nightmare coming true, I had to force myself into a pub when I walked past last week and saw the work taking place; only way to deal with it was cry or drink.

If we are going to have a half rate Rodgers rip off in this city, cant a developer with some spare cash at least have the decency to give us a real one somewhere as a trade off?

Or couldn’t BSC have been the ones behind this scheme instead…..

I'll have that thank you.

Very nice. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture162.jpg

Erection of 15 storey building (including ground) with 3 levels of basement car parking with a mix of uses at ground floor (Use Classes A1, A2, A3 and B1) comprising retail; financial and professional services; restaurant and or cafe; and office uses, with office use (Use Class B1) on upper floors

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/zxc.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/avb.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/ad.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/ab.jpg

http://www.publicaccess.manchester.gov.uk/publicaccess/dc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=J7FT29BCA0000

OH WOW!! The Urbis comes to Chancery Place, I'm sure I'm not the only one to spot that, I do like it better than the last design though. Thanks a lot jerb.

looks superb, much less detail than the original and sits better as a result... cheaper to build....

indeed it does look superb, I don't know whats going on at the top with the glass strips but I like it a lot, it looks nice and clean, I hope they manage to attract a top quality restaurant or cafe to the ground floor space

Couldnt have been worse than the last design. Yep i like this one better too.
Who is the architect - anyone know?

Couldnt have been worse than the last design. Yep i like this one better too.
Who is the architect - anyone know?

HKR.

60m tall.

looks superb, much less detail than the original and sits better as a result... cheaper to build....

much better indeed.

will the vidio at CUBE be updated with the new render?

I like that. The last design was ok, and this is good too.

Sorry to be a philistine, but is this in the process of getting built right now? I thought I'd be able to make cheap jibes about it being a surface level carpark until 2008 at least.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/ab.jpg

I like!

http://www.nbadraft.net/actor/borat.jpg

That's nice that is, pretty smart looking. Definately up to the mark set by recent cbd buildings.

much better indeed.

will the vidio at CUBE be updated with the new render?

I wish. I'm not on the project anymore unfortunately. I wish I was tho...

Bit of a surprise , i really like this new design .

Yep Jongy its on site , i'll get some pics today :)