Not much info at the mo, but one to keep an eye on!

The Manser Practice has been asked to design a new office building and 300 bedroom hotel arranged around a semi enclosed plaza. The site, opposite Victoria station in central Manchester, occupies a prominent location in the new Green Quarter development. Due to start on site later this year.

http://www.manser.co.uk/Manser_Site/Projects/Current/1044_Manchester_Hotel/manchester1.jpg

http://www.manser.co.uk/

http://cityparkoffices.com/

http://www.h4mail.com/enweb/default.aspx

I like it jrb..thanks for the info

Looks nice ;) Thanks

... As posted a long time ago on the Green Quarter thread (before it was deleted in the great "hacker" cull).

http://www.cityparkmanchester.com

I like the office building, it'll complement the two CIS buildings over the road. It has the same sort of timeless simplicity. Shame it's not as tall as the main CIS building, it's in what is arguably the most important northern gateway into Manchester.

looks decent and will no doubt help the area

I like the office building, it'll complement the two CIS buildings over the road. It has the same sort of timeless simplicity. Shame it's not as tall as the main CIS building, it's in what is arguably the most important northern gateway into Manchester.

True jongy, I wonder what the chances of a tower are at the brewery when it goes, a tower there and some new developments along that immediate stretch of Bury New Rd would be great, the northern side of town needs just as impressive a gateway as the south

True jongy, I wonder what the chances of a tower are at the brewery when it goes, a tower there and some new developments along that immediate stretch of Bury New Rd would be great, the northern side of town needs just as impressive a gateway as the south.

I remember Richard Leese advising Interbrew that they wouldn't be able to sell the brewery land for redeveopment once Boddies had carped out it's last tinnie.
Not sure how this could be enforced mind.

I guess we'll have to fan the flames of Vector.

I like the office building, it'll complement the two CIS buildings over the road. It has the same sort of timeless simplicity.
Very nicely put Jongle.

Not a million miles away from 3HS:

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_3hsq_01.jpg http://www.manser.co.uk/Manser_Site/Projects/Current/1044_Manchester_Hotel/manchester1.jpg

I guess we'll have to fan the flames of Vector.

anyone got a light?

I like it. Reminds me of the also curvy 3HS.

Where is this exactly anyone? ta

I remember Richard Leese advising Interbrew that they wouldn't be able to sell the brewery land for redeveopment once Boddies had carped out it's last tinnie.
Not sure how this could be enforced mind.

I guess we'll have to fan the flames of Vector.


Very nicely put Jongle.

Not a million miles away from 3HS:

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_3hsq_01.jpg http://www.manser.co.uk/Manser_Site/Projects/Current/1044_Manchester_Hotel/manchester1.jpg

Correct Northbeach!

He said the council would'nt give planning permission for any residential developments even if the site was bought by property developers!

Where is this exactly anyone? ta

Opposite Victoria Station, next to the Green Quarter!

Where is this exactly anyone? ta

It would be directly opposite the back of the MEN arena car park, where Cheetham Hill Road bends round towards Miller Street and the CIS.

ta. I thought that land was being saved for more of the green quarter development thats all.

cheers lads.

I like the curvy office building.

Is the angular building on the left the hotel? It looks real sixties vanilla, and doesn't go at all with the curvy office building. If so, IMHO this development is crying out for a highrise curvy hotel in the centre and a lowrise curvy retail on the left maybe with some green space and fountains.

I like the curvy office building.

Is the angular building on the left the hotel? It looks real sixties vanilla, and doesn't go at all with the curvy office building. If so, IMHO this development is crying out for a highrise curvy hotel in the centre and a lowrise curvy retail on the left maybe with some green space and fountains.

Sounds good to me.

I didn't like the look of the hotel building, there looks to be a lot of red brick :bash:

Sounds good to me.

I didn't like the look of the hotel building, there looks to be a lot of red brick :bash:


The buildings look awkward together! The office devlopment looks fine, but the hotel design looks like a budget hotel!

Hope the hotel gets redesigned to look more like the office?!

Chris you might as well turn this into the GQ thread, anyway the tower carane for Jefferson Place went up today :)


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/december13th019.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/december13th017.jpg

And so the big one begins :evil:

Ta for the pic Highriser. Its going to be built thankfully on one of the higher areas of the site which will add to its stature.

Nice, hopefully this rather modest development will help spur on more ambitious designs ala Picadilly size.. lol, C'mon... CIS needs some homies.

And so the big one begins :evil:

How big is it exactly? (Avoiding all Carry On style puns)

THIS BIG!!!
http://www.huntersnet.co.uk/images/jefferson%20place%20-%20large.jpg

http://www.huntersnet.co.uk/images/jefferson%20place%20-%20small.jpg

Effin dense or what! :cool:

whats the buildong to the right of that? will it make an impact that can be seen from the road?

http://www.manser.co.uk/Manser_Site/Projects/Current/1044_Manchester_Hotel/manchester1.jpg



Well what do you know, the citypark website has finally gone live. I'll create a seperate Green Quarter thread later, unless this one is renamed.

http://www.cityparkmanchester.com



City Park forms the commercial element of greenquarter, the 8 acre mixed use commercial and residential scheme.

Greenquarter will provide 1,400 apartments in a richly landscaped environment and City Park is prominently located in the south west corner of the development, opposite MEN Arena, and just 200m from Harvey Nichols and Selfridges.

Designed by award winning architects, The Manser Practice, the proposed City Park Hotel will comprise 280 guest rooms (subject to detailed planning consent) showcased behind a stunning winter garden designed to create an ambient, vibrant space from which the extensive conferencing, bar, restaurant and health club facilities are accessed.

A new Grade A 100,000 sq. ft. office building will be simultaneously developed immediately to the south of the Hotel and winter garden, and the combined development will also provide a highly generous 420 car parking spaces.


http://www.cityparkmanchester.com/images/img_hotel_main.jpg
HOTEL



http://www.cityparkmanchester.com/images/img_office_main.jpg
OFFICES (hotel to the left)



http://www.cityparkmanchester.com/images/aerial_view.jpg
http://www.cityparkmanchester.com/images/aerial_key.png
LOCATION

Note that that big plot opposite the CIS that has been the subject of speculation on these boards of late has been marked as "Principal Place". Does this indicate that we will see some sort of development proposal surfacing for this site too in the next year or so?

CityPark will sit just infront of the burgeoning Green Quarter which is rapidly taking shape with phase 4, the 21 storey (Jefferson Place) about to start construction as this photo proves.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/december13th019.jpg

Note that that big plot opposite the CIS that has been the subject of speculation on these boards of late has been marked as "Principal Place". Does this indicate that we will see some sort of development proposal surfacing for this site too in the next year or so?

Even more interesting is the land adjacent to Victoria station(purple). How long have we been waiting for that NCP car park(and Victoria station) to be redeveloped.

Looks like there are a host of developments planned for the area around Victoria/CIS! :)

Remember that quote from the City Council in one of the MEN articles?

"There are a lot of hush-hush proposals being planned for the city centre"

We may be seeing some of the first ones?

God I hope the site opp CIS will get used to full effect. Id hate to see more Shudehill cum Collyhurst (whatever the area is called) stylee digs.

If they get the North Manc area right....wow-ee.

Note that that big plot opposite the CIS that has been the subject of speculation on these boards of late has been marked as "Principal Place". Does this indicate that we will see some sort of development proposal surfacing for this site too in the next year or so?
Havn't we already seen some kind of masterplan for that principal place site? I think it was posted in the Skyline Central thread. I'll see if I can dig it up.

Here:
http://www.jacobswebber.com/graphics/add_1.jpg

That's a different location Accy - pure NQ.

The land directly behind 'Principal Place' (great title eh??) - is this Ludgate Hill (next to the banked gardens of which I've forgotten the name).
Currently a mix of refurbed warehouses (tobacco factory) and the ever present red brick apartments:
http://www.getapad.co.uk/lettings/dBRANCH_42MATON.jpg

Accy that masterplan is the area from Skyline Central to the Express building, Northy i think Ludgate Hill is the whole of the GQ and the area you mentioned where the Tobacco factory is, the park your on about is Angel Meadows .

THIS BIG!!!
http://www.huntersnet.co.uk/images/jefferson%20place%20-%20large.jpg

http://www.huntersnet.co.uk/images/jefferson%20place%20-%20small.jpg

http://www.cityparkmanchester.com/images/aerial_view.jpg

In this weeks planning applications.

Question. Is it for the above development, City Gate or another new development for the green Quarter?

[quote]077806/FO/2005/N1 01/12/2005 Green Quarter, Block 6 Land Bounded By Cheetham Hill Road Lord Street Redbank And Scotland Cheetham Hill Erection of one 14 storey block and one 15 to 18 storey block to form 345 no. apartments with 465sqm... Application Pending Consideration

This weeks planning apps.

^ Perhaps thats the application for phases 5 and 6?

^ Perhaps thats the application for phases 5 and 6?

If it is Caw, thats going to be some density?

Espcially when there added to the other Green Bank buildings!

Aerial view of the site.

http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/gallery/d/1723-1/_MG_1034+_1_.jpg

Angel Meadows - that's the fella - cheers Highriser, tip of the tongue job.

Greengate makes it's mark on the view from Viccy Station.
Was there this evening - I like this station despite it's neglect. The upper tier steps remind me of couple of continent transport exchanges (does this upper section lead to the MEN?).
Doesn't really need a massive overhaul that Piccadilly required; it already has the classy front face (which the old shockingly bad piccadilly didn't have), just some posh slap.
Let's see what the purplde haze bringeth.

Aerial view of the site.

http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/gallery/d/1723-1/_MG_1034+_1_.jpg

Inevitably, the carpark at the top of this pic will get developed, but what about the disused railway arches in between?

I can imagin them being poorly incorporated or simply just destroyed. Same with the remnants of what was connected to the Gmex.

In fact we've got loads dotted about everywhere that need doin up.

I think those arches are still in use. Filled with small businesses, studios and garages etc, or they were until a few years ago.

They're not part of any of the Phase 3 lines are they? If not, I say get rid.

Id like to see them (and all the arches in town) used for retail/bars etc. Much like Deansgate Locks. Just less bling. Ala Brickhouse.

To convert all of them into bars etc wouldnt be feasible, not in that area... well at least not yet anyway. Maybe one or two might do pretty well given all the new residents this area will be getting.

Taken today.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2122/picture2931ul.jpg

A new image of the under construction Jefferson Place, phase 4 of Green Quarter - a development which appears to be getting better with each phase which is gratifying to see.

http://www.driversjonas.co.uk/img.aspx?CID=666888&LangID=1
JEFFERSON PLACE (U/C)

Architects for Jefferson Place are Leach Rhodes Walker.

As has already been posted, an application has now been made for phases 5 and 6. No details on who the architects are here though. Has anyone managed to download the viewer needed to see the planning documents? Frustratingly, it doesnt work for me. :(


PHASE 6:
077806/FO/2005/N1 Green Quarter, Block 6 Land Bounded By Cheetham Hill Road Lord Street Redbank And Scotland Cheetham Hill

Erection of one 14 storey block and one 15 to 18 storey block to form 345 no. apartments with 465sqm of commercial floorspace (class A1, A2, B1, D1 and D2) with 232 car parking spaces and associated landscaping

A new image of the under construction Jefferson Place, phase 4 of Green Quarter - a development which appears to be getting better with each phase which is gratifying to see.

http://www.driversjonas.co.uk/img.aspx?CID=666888&LangID=1
JEFFERSON PLACE (U/C)

Architects for Jefferson Place are Leach Rhodes Walker.

As has already been posted, an application has now been made for phases 5 and 6. No details on who the architects are here though. Has anyone managed to download the viewer needed to see the planning documents? Frustratingly, it doesnt work for me. :(

PHASE 6:

Thank F*** the design has changed? That circular tower(below) is/was shocking! Saying that, aren't we seeing the render the other way around, from back to front?

http://www.huntersnet.co.uk/images/jefferson%20place%20-%20small.jpg

Yes, the design hasn't changed.


http://www.huntersnet.co.uk/images/jefferson%20place%20-%20small.jpg
That is the view of Jefferson Place from Cheetham Hill Road.


http://www.driversjonas.co.uk/img.aspx?CID=666888&LangID=1
This is the view of Jefferson Place from the development's green boulevard i.e. from the diagonally opposite viewpoint.


The footprint of Jefferson Place with its 'key shaped' profile at one end can be clearly seen from this airel view.
http://www.cityparkmanchester.com/images/aerial_view.jpg
http://www.cityparkmanchester.com/images/aerial_key.png

I'll try and get down to the planning office on Thursday or Friday. I'll have a look at this and Spinningfileds!:wink2:

Thanks for the info, SleepyOne, jrb. It'll be pretty impressive.

Shame about that round tower. Because I think it could be a attractive feature, but the flat black cap spoils it. The flat black cap is an aberration that just doesn't tie in with anything else. Maybe a coloured dome or cone would look better.

Thanks for the info, SleepyOne, jrb. It'll be pretty impressive.

Shame about that round tower. Because I think it could be a attractive feature, but the flat black cap spoils it. The flat black cap is an aberration that just doesn't tie in with anything else. Maybe a coloured dome or cone would look better.
Cm'on Farsight, nowt wrong with a flat cap..... it's synonimous with our working-class heritage!
Unless of course, you're really a toff in which case I'll doff me cap and tug me forelock, guvner.... ;)

Miles: this is perhaps more relevant to the Ancoats thread, but: I remember my grandparents living in a grotty terraced house in Gorton, with newspaper on a nail in the crapper in the yard out back. Crap wages, crap houses, crap streets, crap life. So I'd be happier if working class heritage stayed in the rose-tinted misty-eyed "good old days", and didn't fuck up the bright promising future of the 21st Century. I wouldn't call myself a toff, just a regular guy. You'd call me middle class, but to me class is irrelevant, kinda silly. My uncle Dennis now, he is definitely working class and proud of it, the daft fucking sod.

Miles: this is perhaps more relevant to the Ancoats thread, but: I remember my grandparents living in a grotty terraced house in Gorton, with newspaper on a nail in the crapper in the yard out back. Crap wages, crap houses, crap streets, crap life. So I'd be happier if working class heritage stayed in the rose-tinted misty-eyed "good old days", and didn't fuck up the bright promising future of the 21st Century. I wouldn't call myself a toff, just a regular guy. You'd call me middle class, but to me class is irrelevant, kinda silly. My uncle Dennis now, he is definitely working class and proud of it, the daft fucking sod.
"Working class and proud of it" is not quite as bad as " the good fings in life aint for the likes of us, we ort to know our place, we does"
I know the mindset you are alluding to FS, but you must admit it's hardly prevalent in todays 'new labour' atmosphere. I agree though that although we must retain some reminders of our past, most of the ugly remnants should be eradicated, and good riddance.
I wasn't knighted for nowt you know.... :cool:

Ee up, miles. Yep, you're right. It's hardly prevalent these days. I was kinda thinking about a recent debate in the news about preserving terraced streets and cotton mills because they are "our heritage". I say "no thanks", and get the impression that it's the sort of thing that lovies at dinner parties find quite charming, darling.

Anyhow, I think this Jefferson place will be quite impressive. Not perfect, but what the heck, and the sheer bulk of it has a certain wow factor. There are buildings a bit like this in Miami you know. I see signs that the lively colours from places like Miami are creeping into Manchester new builds, and I like it.


http://www.driversjonas.co.uk/img.aspx?CID=666888&LangID=1

They seem very close together the two blocks, not a lot of light in the middle.

Jefferson Place is absolutely huge! It has 309 apartments - surely the biggest single apartment block in the city? (Leftbank has 392 but that's two buildings really)

Of the 309, 249 have been sold so far.

Dunno what to think of it though, it really could be an absolute piece of garbage if they use cladding as cheapo as that first phase.

The Green Quarter
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/100_0568.jpg
Groundwork for Jefferson Place
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/100_0570.jpg

well the crane's green I suppose.... :)

Some GQ photos.
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1164BartonPlace_pic8.jpg

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1506MassonPlace_pic3.jpg


http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1506MassonPlace_pic5.jpg

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1506MassonPlace_pic6.jpg

This thread was all the way back on page 3, maybe it's time to reinstate the thread index.

This thread was all the way back on page 3, maybe it's time to reinstate the thread index.

Try this for finding threads

http://skyscrapercity.com/archive/index.php/f-335.html

good one mystery, comes in handy does that

The 2 main core's for Jefferson Place are now shooting up

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/100_0646.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/100_0647.jpg

Thread title needs changing please

Presumably to be built infront of those two blocks 11 storey blocks pictured above. I have to say the architecture is getting better with each phase, which considering the poor standard set by the first three phases was never going to be difficult, granted. Starting in april too if this press release is to be believed.

Crosby submits new Manchester Greenquarter plans
David Quinn 23 February 2006 15:45


http://www.egi.co.uk/webpics/cmspics/31665.JPG
Block 6: work will start in April



Developer Crosby Homes and Aedas Architects have submitted an application for a new £38m phase of the Greenquarter development in Manchester city centre.

I have to say the architecture is getting better with each phase.

The architecture may be getting prettier but this area has Future Slum written all over it!

^^Why do you say that? because they are affordable?

The architecture may be getting prettier but this area has Future Slum written all over it!

.....it is a bit intense isn't it... a bit cramped. The landscape scheme is brilliant though....

Does anybody know the total number of apartments there will be within the green quarter upon completion? Surely this alone must be more than in every city centre from bradford down.

The demographics of manchester city centre has changed beyond recognition in the last 15 years. the majority of people moving into these type of apartments are young and single. As this demographic has changed so it is ineviatable that will change again. The majority of apartments in the city centre are buy to let. As the target buyers tenants move out to the burbs the landlords will have to lower the rents and be less choosy on who they have in. These huge apartment blocks will either become empty and fall into disrepair as not enough managment fees can be collected or they will be turned into low grade housing for low income groups , who will bring all the associated problems poverty brings with it.
Hence: Future Slums

Sorry for being simple, but why won't one generation of young people be replaced by another?

And although I can't be sure of this, aren't owners obligated to pay management fees whether they have tennants or not?

The demographics of manchester city centre has changed beyond recognition in the last 15 years. the majority of people moving into these type of apartments are young and single. As this demographic has changed so it is ineviatable that will change again. The majority of apartments in the city centre are buy to let. As the target buyers tenants move out to the burbs the landlords will have to lower the rents and be less choosy on who they have in. These huge apartment blocks will either become empty and fall into disrepair as not enough managment fees can be collected or they will be turned into low grade housing for low income groups , who will bring all the associated problems poverty brings with it.
Hence: Future Slums

I can see your reasoning but I don't necessarily agree. I think it is more of a junction in the way brits live their lives, rather than a 'fad' (re: 'city living'). We are slowly signing up to the continental way of life where we embrace 24hr life and conviences. I can see our cities continueing the trend to become more like continental cities where all types gravitate to a city centre. I mean, some of the apartments that went up in the centre in the mid 90's are much cheaper and yet they have not become slums. Even the council blocks that have been renovated and 'privatised' are good environments to live.

I used to live in Kersal Village in Lower Kersal, where you can pick up a nice flat for 45k. I'd live there now if I was still in Manchester.

I agree with you Jerv. I don't understand why city living is seen as a fad. Its a logical progression to a more sustainable and convenient way of living and its here to stay. I think perhaps it is seen as a fad because it has until recently been the preserve of the rich - and a temporary one at that. The tide is now slowly turning however in a number of crucial ways in terms of affordability and diversifying the appeal to a broader spectrum of the market (larger households and families).

Where I think Longford may have a point is that the concentration of 1 and 2 bed apartments at Green Quarter might just prove too much in the long term - you might have a continuously high turnover of tenants due to this and also perhaps the lack of ameneities built into the blocks. As other developments become more sophsiticated and offer the mix of amenety and tenure that Green Quarter lacks, it may as a result becomes progressively less attractive.

However as long as MCC are strict with Crosby (on what must be an enourmously profitable scheme for them) in terms of demanding a bigger number of larger apartments that will attract owner occupiers and families, insist on all the sort of ameneties that a stable population would need and insist on high quality design, there is no reason to believe that GQ cannot be sustainable in the long term.

I think one thing these large scheme sometimes do overlook, or 'value engineer' out are little touches that make a community that might attract more diverse occupants. Things like small shops at the ground floor, social and function rooms, bars and cafes, and most importantly playspce and perhaps a small leisure centre. You know, the kind of things you'd find abused and underused on a council estate (except the Working mens club!)

I mean, some of the apartments that went up in the centre in the mid 90's are much cheaper and yet they have not become slums.
.

I take it you havent been in India House and Granby House recently? its full of smack heads and whores.

Sleepy - have you seen this development close up?
Its Dickensian in quality! There were laws passed after the plague ensuring sufficient light and air between dwellings. This seems to have lapsed. These developments remind me of the tenements in Glasgow and Liverpool of times past.
Young people who spend all day in a horrible office and all night in the Gay Village dont mind coming back to these horrible little flats but the novelty wears off and people want kids and gardens and the like. Whilst these deveolpments may look attractive to a potential buyer or renter now ten years down the line they will look very tatty and squalid. The converted warehouses on whitworth st are not the desirable addresses they were 15 years ago - as will the "green quarter" (what the fuck does that mean anyway? How can this low grade unsustainable mass housing be "Green' or does it refer to that piss poor bit of grass and water they call a park)

Even whores have a right to city centre living.

Even whores have a right to city centre living.

Fair enough but would you want to live next door to one?

A hilariously exaggerated and generalised account there Longford! ;)

I take some of your points on board though. Quality of design, diversity of tenure, diversity of household type and sufficient provision of amenety absolutely have to be in place to ensure Green Quarter is sustainable.

Fair enough but would you want to live next door to one?

Depends. Is she Russian, Swedish, Japanese.....or just some Gorton Bag-head? joke

Fair enough but would you want to live next door to one?

Saves on bus fares.

Anyway longshangs that piss poor bit of grass has just won the Gold in Garden of the Year awards at the Daily Express, and a BALI award. Maybe they didn't look close enough...

I agree on the accomodation... its definitely built for buy to let...

Anyway longshangs that piss poor bit of grass has just won the Gold in Garden of the Year awards at the Daily Express, and a BALI award. Maybe they didn't look close enough...


Still dont know why its called the 'Green Quarter'?
The 'nasty red brick, white render, tacky cladding and high density quarter' would perhaps be a better description.

I think the answer is the low-rise (not layed as city blocks) nature of this development. It should be maybe 2 taller towers and a cluster of very low rise. The light issues in these blocks are horrendous. It is too cramped, some of the blocks look less than a street width apart...continental and US cities with developments this size would have a larger plaza area between them.
Still, what was there before? A car park, some shady night girls and wasteland...so it is all relative.

I take it you havent been in India House and Granby House recently? its full of smack heads and whores.

I know several people who live in India House and can assure you none of them are smackheads or whores. I'm in that building quite often and from what I can see it's clean and the people I see coming in and out are mostly young but seem pretty decent on the whole.

I think there was a fear a few years ago that some of these developments would turn into slums when the novelty worn off, but as pointed out by others with more knowledge than me, its a lifestyle choice now and people are embrasing it, the bigger and busier the city gets the more people will be wanting to live in it or near it. Surely this means these developments will sustain themselves without too much trouble or "vice" moving in.

Sounds like a creative bag to me. New York is full of such gaffs, the Englishman in said city, mr Crisp for example, lived in such an abode (though he carped it down in Chorlton).

Sounds like a creative bag to me. New York is full of such gaffs, the Englishman in said city, mr Crisp for example, lived in such an abode (though he carped it down in Chorlton).

I'd hate the centre of Manchester to turn into some middle class yuppie ghetto, an eclectic mix is the way to go.

http://www.egi.co.uk/webpics/cmspics/31665.JPG

Developer Crosby Homes and Aedas Architects have submitted an application for a new £38m phase of the Greenquarter development in Manchester city centre.

The 275,000 sq ft scheme, known as Block 6, consists of 345 apartments, ancillary commercial space and associated car parking.

The development is expected to receive planning permission in March 2006, with construction beginning in April.

The Greenquarter development is situated on the northern side of Manchester city centre, close to Victoria Station.

Development Securities is also planning a 200,000 sq ft mixed-use scheme in the area.

Must say the designs appear to be improving in my humble opinion, but, Manchester's Gateways do not come up to scratch.

When going into Leeds station, whatever those apartments are called (on the left side), look very classy.

We need the whole area at the foot of the Irk regenerating.

Hopefully, with Eastgate soon to rise, Piccadilly-cum-Ancoats-cum-Ardwick will start to pick up too.

I take it you havent been in India House and Granby House recently? its full of smack heads and whores.

Sleepy - have you seen this development close up?
Its Dickensian in quality! There were laws passed after the plague ensuring sufficient light and air between dwellings. This seems to have lapsed. These developments remind me of the tenements in Glasgow and Liverpool of times past.
Young people who spend all day in a horrible office and all night in the Gay Village dont mind coming back to these horrible little flats but the novelty wears off and people want kids and gardens and the like. Whilst these deveolpments may look attractive to a potential buyer or renter now ten years down the line they will look very tatty and squalid. The converted warehouses on whitworth st are not the desirable addresses they were 15 years ago - as will the "green quarter" (what the fuck does that mean anyway? How can this low grade unsustainable mass housing be "Green' or does it refer to that piss poor bit of grass and water they call a park)

Oh Longy,,,you do have you head up your arse dont you, what the fuck are you on about,,i know loads of people that spend all day in a office and all night in the " Gay Village" as if that matter's,,,,and they live in the most beautiful apartments you have ever seen (im jealous) :) ,,stop tarring everyone with the same brush and pull your head out of your Civic Sociaty arse,,i actually think that the Green Quater i designed for young people,,,and where young people can actually live close to the city at a reasonable price,,,time will tell,,,,,wont it :)

Oh highriser,,, i do walk round with my head up my arse (on my way to all those civic society meetings i attend, moaning about things, tarring brushes etc). But when i do pull my head out kinda look around me and see fucking awful, greedy, cynical 'developments' and think to myself "mmm - i'm glad i dont work in an office, go out in the Village and most of of all i dont have to live in a shitty flat that is no better than local authority housing from 40 years ago (only with white render and bits of wood on)"
For future reference highriser - take most things i say with a healthy dose of salt - i do tend to exaggerate for effect. And, whilst i would love to enter into a well detailed and well informed debate, with well articulated, Stephen Fry type intelligent comments i much prefer to make huge sweeping generalisations about idiotic 'young people' because i dont care if i annoy half a dozen geeks who have an unhealthy interest in big, shiny buildings.

You're a delicate soul when people are disagreeing with you aren't you? Bless.

Crosby homes ruined my day though, so in a wholly unbiased mood I'll agree that they're evil and it'll be shit. Hopefully it'll stand up long enough for some artists to colonise it and make it 'cool'.

Oh highriser,,, i do walk round with my head up my arse (on my way to all those civic society meetings i attend, moaning about things, tarring brushes etc). But when i do pull my head out kinda look around me and see fucking awful, greedy, cynical 'developments' and think to myself "mmm - i'm glad i dont work in an office, go out in the Village and most of of all i dont have to live in a shitty flat that is no better than local authority housing from 40 years ago (only with white render and bits of wood on)"
For future reference highriser - take most things i say with a healthy dose of salt - i do tend to exaggerate for effect. And, whilst i would love to enter into a well detailed and well informed debate, with well articulated, Stephen Fry type intelligent comments i much prefer to make huge sweeping generalisations about idiotic 'young people' because i dont care if i annoy half a dozen geeks who have an unhealthy interest in big, shiny buildings.

That's the point Longy,,most of the young people that are buying into Manchester now are doing so because they want to,,they want to live in these "shit apartments" that you think are shit because that's where they want to live,everyone as different tastes matey,,if they want to live there they will make it as homely as they can ,they are not going to spend 200k and make the place look shit are they,,,which will bring a new generation of city living,and for a matter of fact ive lived in Manchester all my life and im proud of what is happening in Manchester atm,,shiny new building's or not,,,
If you think everyone on here is a "geek" for skycraper's, your wrong, im interested in any kind of building from 2 to 52 storey's.
Take the Green Quarter for instance, what would you prefer,,these new apartments that are bringing loads of investment and new people to the city ,,or a peice of waste land that as been "waste land" for donkey's years???

You're a delicate soul when people are disagreeing with you aren't you? Bless.

Crosby homes ruined my day though, so in a wholly unbiased mood I'll agree that they're evil and it'll be shit. Hopefully it'll stand up long enough for some artists to colonise it and make it 'cool'.

I have since found out that highriser is pissed so i wouldnt dignify a comment like 'head up you arse' if i'd known.

Crosby Homes have ruined many peoples days in the past so dont take it to heart Cher. Nobody in the future will have proper jobs and we'll all be working in the 'creative industries' so these future slums will be perfect for struggling artists one day!

Highriser - i repeat what i said in the Manchester Developments thread. :booze:

Well you could turn wastleand into a nice park, with Bluebells and Buttercups and Bunnies?

Whereas slums can only be turned into future North West Tonight featurettes where Gordon Burns asks Enid from Ancoats what it was like living in a cellar with seven brothers and a drink problem and she says 'can't complain'.

Tee hee cher!
I can see it now! Time Team special from India House in 2080 interviewing an ageing raver "ooh i remember it when it was full of smack heads and whores - it was tough but we were happy - we made our own entertainment - we left our front doors unlocked - jumpers for goal posts".

As far as Bluebells, Buttercups and Bunnies go. Fuck that! Couldnt we squeeze a nuclear power station or an asbestos recycling plant in the Irk Valley somewhere? Dont we need another urban motorway somewhere?

I would think someone who writes articles about buildings as a passtime is more qualified as a geek than most people on here who look forward to their city developing into something enviable. Especially if that person has made 284 posts in less than a month.

http://www.egi.co.uk/webpics/cmspics/31665.JPG

Developer Crosby Homes and Aedas Architects have submitted an application for a new £38m phase of the Greenquarter development in Manchester city centre.

The 275,000 sq ft scheme, known as Block 6, consists of 345 apartments, ancillary commercial space and associated car parking.

The development is expected to receive planning permission in March 2006, with construction beginning in April.

The Greenquarter development is situated on the northern side of Manchester city centre, close to Victoria Station.

Development Securities is also planning a 200,000 sq ft mixed-use scheme in the area.

This must be the building that was known as 'Vallea Court' on the initial plans.

Going in the top right of the site in this photo; sunlight is overrated anyway!
http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/gallery/d/1723-1/_MG_1034+_1_.jpg

It's ironic that Red Bank once had some of the most disgusting slums in Manchester..... :tongue3:

I would think someone who writes articles about buildings as a passtime is more qualified as a geek than most people on here who look forward to their city developing into something enviable. Especially if that person has made 284 posts in less than a month.

Geek - guilty as charged.

Someone who doesnt look forward to their city developing into something enviable? i'll forgive your ignorance of what i do and dont think about my great city because you dont know me. I can assure you however that i more than anyone cares about what happens to my city and perhaps i am more mature and less naive than some (cynical perhaps?) than to be seduced by sexy computer models and developers bullshit and see beyond that and realise what is and isnt good architecture.
As far as my rate of 'contributions ' go. I didnt realise there was a limit and forgive me if i misunderstood the purpose of Forums but i thought adding comments was the fucking point!

that looks like a right load of wank.

Geek - guilty as charged.

Someone who doesnt look forward to their city developing into something enviable? i'll forgive your ignorance of what i do and dont think about my great city because you dont know me. I can assure you however that i more than anyone cares about what happens to my city and perhaps i am more mature and less naive than some (cynical perhaps?) than to be seduced by sexy computer models and developers bullshit and see beyond that and realise what is and isnt good architecture.
As far as my rate of 'contributions ' go. I didnt realise there was a limit and forgive me if i misunderstood the purpose of Forums but i thought adding comments was the fucking point!

Chill man. You were the one banding the term geek around in a slightly generalising and condoscending way. Your views on this scheme seem biased and OTT. These are affordable high density housing. Precisely the kind of environment many single workers are looking for, and just what the Dr (Prescott) ordered. What the hell is wrong with that?

I'd take issue on those funky townhouses that you call sustainable on another thread. I am not the QS for those projects but they must be fucking expensive to build, and therefore expensive to buy. That is not what is needed at the moment.

BTW, post away. I was just using that as ammunition to back up my claim that you are every bit the geek that you called the rest of the forum users.

I'm reclaiming the word geek. I think its a term of endearment so no offence meant.
Did go off on one but dont like what i perceive to be a personal comment - i try to avoid making comments on personal level but if some one has a dig at me well its open season in my book. Lets move on eh?
Anyway back to the real matter at hand. I'm not knocking affordable housing - i'm a strong advocate for it - i just dont think that the "Green Quarter' is a) particularly affordable or b) good enough for manchester.
There are lots of examples throughout the city of good high density housing- in fact ive just passed a good new example on Cambridge street in Moss Side - very impressed with that.
Re. Funky townhouses on Ashton road - family homes are exactly what we need at the moment, especially well designed ones and i'm sure they have been realistically costed and as far as i can see they are very affordable.

Yes Longford. Bit of a misunderstanding between us. I didn't mean to offend you as I am well aware that you want manchester to make progress a much or moreso than myself. Likewise, I misunderstood your meaning of the word 'geek' and I over zelously stepped in to defend my honour!

Re: funky townhouses. £170k for a two bedroom box with no private gardens (correct me if I'm wrong)? hardly the family home of choice is it? At least with the Green quarter, the location is good and the environment will be safe.

I've just been on the GQ website and it seems you are right on your point a). £120k for a studio apartment is not good value. I thought they were £90k.
On point b) however it is not the architecture that bothers you, but the idea of massive dense housing developments. On that we differ.

^^ I think your both right, we do need more family homes going up around the centre because we know the cafe society brigade are transient and move on, but we also need high density stuff, and Manchester has lots of untapped potential at the moment so room for everyone I think. We can't have the city centre turning into a middle class village, or is that to be expected?

I'd like to see a nice mix of QUALITY affordable housing for rent or buy and accept there will be certain parts of town that will be out of most peoples price range, as long as theres a good mix and it doesn't turn sterile and boring.

170k - fuck me! are you sure? I saw a 3 bed in the paper today for 130k. 170k is way too much for what is still Beswick at the end of the day. if thats true (and i'm not doubting you - perhaps the ones i saw advertised arent the funky town houses but the less good Gleeson ones) its a bit wrong isnt it?
On point b) - a bit of both. Like i said if you get the design right high density can work and is an important part of a cities housing stock. The grouping in the GQ is too dense and the design is too fussy, which only compounds the problem.
There is some decent high density stuff going up in Hulme near Asda and on Cambridge street where the design is clearer and it all looks a lot smarter and less imposing.
Its not all bad - i just think Crosby are at the less inspired end of the developer spectrum (saying that No1 deansgate is crosby isnt it - there you go - contradicting myself again!)

You're right Longford there are a few interesting developments going up in Hulme, Im wondering, how do you see Hulme developing and intigrating into the city centre, which I'm sure we all agree is inevitable. Its got some way to go of course but how do you see it panning out? Is there still a strategy for Hulme?

You're right Longford there are a few interesting developments going up in Hulme, Im wondering, how do you see Hulme developing and intigrating into the city centre, which I'm sure we all agree is inevitable. Its got some way to go of course but how do you see it panning out? Is there still a strategy for Hulme?

Yes I think there is a strategy for Hulme and no matter what i think of some of the buildings both in design and build quality i think there is a very good compromise of sorts in Hulme. A good mix of styles and prices has meant hulme has still retained some of its unique social mix and is almost an ideal 'urban suburb'.
I think the stuff going up now is better than what went up in the first phase but that aint so bad and Stretford road does seem to regained a sense of purpose. Homes for change is still looking good (wouldnt wanna live there though with all those smelly hippies).
I think the Mancunian Way will always provide a physical and psychological barrier and it will never incorporate itself truely into the city centre but that isnt such a bad thing.
If i had done the Masterplan for Hulme i would still be proud to put my name to it.

Fair enough, although I don't share your view that Stretford Rd has regained any sense of purpose but, Its early days. I don't see why the Mancunian Way SHOULD be a barrier, its just a road, isn't it?

A hive of activity around the Green Q today

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Thanks roly. Did you happen to notice an air balloon in the viscinity? Looked like there was one today at about 25 storeys height or so next to where phase 1 was built. Did I dream it?

Thanks roly. Did you happen to notice an air balloon in the viscinity? Looked like there was one today at about 25 storeys height or so next to where phase 1 was built. Did I dream it?

I saw it. From Deansgate mind you, but it was definately there beyond the Arena.

Yes I saw it Sleepy it was hovering about above Cheetham Hill Rd when I was taking those pics.

Another interesting development.

More sloped roofs for Manchester.

078626/OO/2006/N1

Satnam Investments Ltd

Reid Architecture.

Land At Faber Street/Roger Street And Redbank
Cheetham

OUTLINE APPLICATION Siting and means of access to be considered, for a mixed use scheme comprising 500 apartments and commercial uses (3,284 sqm) comprising Class A1 retail (max 1,000 sqm), Class A2 (offices), Class A3 (restaurant) Class A4 (public houses), Class A5 (hot food take aways), Class B1 (business use), Class D1 (community uses), Class D2 (assembly & leisure) (max 1,000 sqm), in the form of three buildings comprising 19 storeys, 17 storeys and 13 storeys in height respectively

Proposed development site, to the left of the Green Quarter, between the railway arches.

http://www.cityparkmanchester.com/images/aerial_view.jpg

Aerial view of the site.

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/red8.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/red7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/red4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/nat.jpg

http://www.reidarchitecture.com/

http://www.publicaccess.manchester.gov.uk/associateddocs/MCCList1.aspx?078626/OO/2006/N1

Thank f**k something is in line for this site. I hate how when you're at Shudehill, you know deep down that 'Manchester' ends very close by.
With the green quarter/ this development/ the land surrounding CIS being done up, town will have a lot more depth.

Looks alright doesnt it?
Cant be bothered to trawl through the whole app. jerbs - were there any context pictures or renders?
These reid people lokk alright - quite funky. 'bout time there was something half decent down there.

Looks alright doesnt it?
Cant be bothered to trawl through the whole app. jerbs - were there any context pictures or renders?
These reid people lokk alright - quite funky. 'bout time there was something half decent down there.

Yes.

No.

Not a sausage Mr Longford.

Much more to follow via the reserve matters application.

I love the shape of this - looks really different. It should make a bit of an impact on the skyline at 19 stories as well.

A 19-storey escalator! :banana:

A 19-storey escalator! :banana:

Remember that Simpsons episode with the escalator to no-where? Now we've got one!

I knew something would get built on those car parks, they are just a waste a space.
On that first pic, can you explain what is what because there is the red area, the green area, the pinky area and then them two funny looking things.

Ooh, yes, that's nice. Good one jrb, thanks.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/red8.jpg



Look like shoes.

I like 'em.

Can I be the first to express doubts about the enormous ground-hogging podium car-park. You know, just to fill in for sleepy while he's not here.

Can I be the first to express doubts about the enormous ground-hogging podium car-park.

Feel free!

Would like to see clearer plans for this because the ground level treatment isnt that obvious on these drawings is it (although frozen managed to spot it!).
It does seem that access is via the disused railway viaduct which is a pretty groovy idea.

Erm..?

The Three Escalators or the Three Guitar cases? (arf/not!) :runaway:

http://www.foliophoto.co.uk/images/architecture_4.jpg

http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM00/Content/Peavy/PR/AcousBT.jpg

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Hey, nice find jrb.

Can I be the first to express doubts about the enormous ground-hogging podium car-park. You know, just to fill in for sleepy while he's not here.

How very considerate frozen! I share your reservations, of course, although it does look like the podium has been raised to the height of the disused viaduct which looks like it will be staying in-situ. It will be interesting to see how they integrate this development with the viaduct and the Green Quarter development - especially from a pedestrian's point of view given the latter extends all the way to ground level. Perhaps they envisage the viaduct becoming some a new, landscaped pedestrian route? That's an interesting thought.

Perhaps they envisage the viaduct becoming some a new, landscaped pedestrian route? That's an interesting thought.

Thats a brilliant thought!
You'll notice on the application it states:
"Siting and means of access to be considered" so it must be an issue.

There is not enough done to reuse our old viaducts. In Paris there are urban pathways on the old elevated rail lines.

really, really nice development there. A certain penaz that green quarter doesn't have.

Hey, nice find jrb.



How very considerate frozen! I share your reservations, of course, although it does look like the podium has been raised to the height of the disused viaduct which looks like it will be staying in-situ. It will be interesting to see how they integrate this development with the viaduct and the Green Quarter development - especially from a pedestrian's point of view given the latter extends all the way to ground level. Perhaps they envisage the viaduct becoming some a new, landscaped pedestrian route? That's an interesting thought.

Yes. On one of the images (DRG0008) it says 'New Landscaping and Walkway (disused track)' and they'll be a bridge of some sort from the development to the viaduct.

Liking it so far!

Hey, nice find jrb.



How very considerate frozen! I share your reservations, of course, although it does look like the podium has been raised to the height of the disused viaduct which looks like it will be staying in-situ. It will be interesting to see how they integrate this development with the viaduct and the Green Quarter development - especially from a pedestrian's point of view given the latter extends all the way to ground level. Perhaps they envisage the viaduct becoming some a new, landscaped pedestrian route? That's an interesting thought.

Plans for the disused railway line, viaduct, arches. One of five different proposals.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/goat.jpg

Shame they arnt doing much with the arches.

Theres an article in the MEN Homes section today about this new proposal for Red Bank, looks like they will be green!!

There's another render in the MEN which I'll post this week.

£100m city homes blueprint unveiled

http://www.metronews.co.uk/ContentResources/C_52_Article_1842_BodyText_TextSection_0_Image.jpg

Artist's impression of the new development

FIVE hundred new homes will be built in Manchester city centre if £100m regeneration plans are approved.

Reid Architecture has submitted an outline planning application for the 2.6-acre site in the Irk Valley, between the tram and railway lines next to the Green Quarter.

The scheme, on Faber Street, is designed to complement the contours of the valley. It will be split into three "fingers", which will rise from the banks of the river Irk at the south east of the site to a height of 60m at the northerly end.

The buildings will be mainly residential, with landscaped roof terraces overlooking the city centre. There will also be 35,000sq feet of offices and 630 parking spaces.

Reid has drawn up the plans for Cheltenham-based developers Satnam Investments. The project represents the first major foray into Manchester for both companies.

The application will go before city planners in early June.

Reid Architecture director Tom Hewitt said: "We believe that our proposals for this first phase of the development will set a high standard of design and construction for subsequent phases to follow and act as a catalyst for increased investment in the area."

About 20 per cent of the homes will be one-bedroom flats, 70 per cent two -bedroom and 10 per cent three-bed.

Colin Griffiths, director of Satnam Investments, said: "Manchester has seen the focus of development pressure within its centre for well over 100 years and the buildings and public spaces that have been created serve to define the strong characteristics of this great city and set it apart from other places in Britain.

"There has been a strong urban renaissance within the city centre in recent years and we at Satnam are proud to be involved in this process. Our proposals aim to create an environment in which future residents of the city will be able to live, spend leisure time, shop, eat and work.

"The proposals put forward achieve our aspirations and we look forward to working with the city council and other stakeholders locally to bring forward this important development scheme."

Pleased to hear about this one and whilst it's difficult to be conclusive form the renders that we have seen, the scale of the buildings should complement the Green Quarter nicely. There appears to be some interesting angled form to the building that looks encouraging- I have no idea what materials they're thinking about though.

There will be an almost uninterupted residential area when this has finished: from Green Quarter, through Ludgate/Shudehill, Ancoats and New Islington, finishing at the back of Albion Mill on Every St- Impressive!

If you go the other way from GQ and to Tempus Tower, there is another (broken) Arc of new apartments, going right through Greengate, Chapel St, onto the under construction Middlewood Locks, Castlefield and Hulme. At a stretch and with a bit of flexibility that's almost a full- if imperfect circle.

This will have a great benefit on a city centre that is as easily walkable (end-to-end) as ours. At present, when you reach the edge of the city centre, you get to areas that just don't feel inviting and most visitors would probably turn around. With the residential areas that are rising, visitors will hopefully think that the areas look pleasant enough, but appears residential and will either turn around back to the city centre proper, or feel comfortable enough to wander.

I look forward to hearing more on this scheme!

GShutty - yes I think many of the city centre fringe areas will become more inviting to those just wandering the streets. Much will depend on the design/scale/street activity of these areas in predicting if people, who don't actually live there or are visiting people there, will go through. Of all the areas you mnention I think Ancoats Urban Village will act more as a natural extension to the city centre than the others. There is greater emphasis on mixed use there with almost as much commercial development going in as residential. Plus the street grid is strong with all new development, bar some new small squares/open spaces, being built to the back of pavement.

GShutty - yes I think many of the city centre fringe areas will become more inviting to those just wandering the streets. Much will depend on the design/scale/street activity of these areas in predicting if people, who don't actually live there or are visiting people there, will go through. Of all the areas you mnention I think Ancoats Urban Village will act more as a natural extension to the city centre than the others. There is greater emphasis on mixed use there with almost as much commercial development going in as residential. Plus the street grid is strong with all new development, bar some new small squares/open spaces, being built to the back of pavement.

Yes, Ancoats and New Islington are definitely two areas that will prove assets to the city, others such as RedBank and Green Quarter, may simply prove to 'tidy-up' the fringe areas, but given the numbers of apartments that are bing talked about (500@RedBank and 1500@GQ), these areas should prove far from isolated and uninviting. In the longer term the people that occupy these said apartments will I envisage service areas such as Cheetham Hill Rd. Given the ethnic diversity present here, this Corridor has bags of potential.

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Yep thats the one I mentioned from last Wednesdays MEN, cheers.

I do like the looks of this. Somebody has got an artistic eye here. I reckon there'll be some devil in the detail though to keep the organic distant-blue-hills look.

Go Go Jefferson :)

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And the Redbank site , that is earmarked for that huge development .
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/100_0728.jpg

Is that those Blakeley flats in the distance which are being redeveloped under the name Lakeside?

Is that those Blakeley flats in the distance which are being redeveloped under the name Lakeside?

No, that's part of Urban Splash's '3 Towers' development. www.3towers.co.uk

Thanks for the photo highriser, had no idea it was this far along.

Just a quick question, probably one for Metrolink.

These railway arches, not sure where they end up but couldnt the metro go down there and maybe finish up in Cheetham Hill or something, it would do the Green Quarter and the Cheetham Hill area no harm at all.

Just a thought anyway

Is that those Blakeley flats in the distance which are being redeveloped under the name Lakeside?

Good pronunciation, bad spelling mate! It's spelt Blackley, as any resident will tell you.... :-)

Not your fault as you are from Pressedon after all...........

Just a quick question, probably one for Metrolink.

These railway arches, not sure where they end up but couldnt the metro go down there and maybe finish up in Cheetham Hill or something, it would do the Green Quarter and the Cheetham Hill area no harm at all.

It's been my understanding that the intention is the use this line for Oldham/Rochdale trams. It appeared so on some diagrams of extensions, at least.

North out of Victoria, there are currently four lines. Two rail lines and two metro. The 2 metro dive under the 2 rail lines in a tunnel and effectively disconnect from the proposed Oldham/Rockerdale extension. It wouldn't be possible to convert the existing 2 rail lines to metrolink, because they'll still be needed for heavy rail services to Ashton/Wakefield, and Leeds/York via Halifax and Bradford.

Trams using this little bit of rail infrastructure would do the urban fabric a load of good - better than festering away, awaiting demolition.

(I'm not entirely sure I've got this right! but this is my understanding)

The thing is that this viaduct is on the wrong side for the trams to use.

Unless they built a bridge over the railway tracks it will never happen. The old track bed leads around the side of the valley behind the Green quarter and goes underneth the metro lines about a mile away after the tracks have come out from that tunnel you mention. The metro extention only uses a small part of the 'loop line'.

Local Lad, yes I can see that. Just had a look at Google Earth. Still can't work out the precise route of Rochdale metrolink though, I seem to remember a tram fly-over being put in place somewhere near the interchange at Central Park (but flying over what and where to?)

If I find out, I'll let you know.

A metro stop for Green Quarter/Red Bank would be good, wouldn't it....

Yeah i had a look on GE aswell and that line doesnt make any sense does it (no wonder they got rid of it)?
It just links up with the line that the current line joins up with - just by a slightly more circuitous route.
Am i sad for really enjoying trying to follow disused railway lines on GE? Followed a lovely one from Leeds to Hull thats no longer exists just last night.

It's not sad at all, I was memorising disued rail lines at 13, when everyone slse was riding around on BMXs......

Wait a minute, did I just say it wasn't sad? lol

Ah, I get it now. Have another look at GE. After the Bury line goes through the tunnel under Rochdale Rd, it emerges and there's an unused junction to the right just south of Queen's Park. It will take this, go under Rochdale Rd again, through Monsall and then cross over the existing Victoria - Rochdale - Halifax line at Central Park (hence the flyover)

I had a look at the GMPTE pdf map of the extension, and it confirms this.

So, no possible future tram stop for the Green Quarter!

Yeah i had a look on GE aswell and that line doesnt make any sense does it (no wonder they got rid of it)?
It just links up with the line that the current line joins up with - just by a slightly more circuitous route.
Am i sad for really enjoying trying to follow disused railway lines on GE? Followed a lovely one from Leeds to Hull thats no longer exists just last night.

No I do it all the time too, many an hour spent with a tear in my eye following abandoned railways from Manchester to Accrington or Aylesbury to Rugby. God I am a sad case.

Just a quick question, probably one for Metrolink.

These railway arches, not sure where they end up but couldnt the metro go down there and maybe finish up in Cheetham Hill or something, it would do the Green Quarter and the Cheetham Hill area no harm at all.

Just a thought anyway

The metro is on the other viaduct and would have to cross Railtrack lines to go left onto this disused viaduct. As it's completely redundant I don't know why they don't knock it down, widen Redbank (the road) and build more apartments on the land that's left. Also that HMG paint factory will have to relocate to somewhere more appropriate (Trafford Park??) and then we could get apartments all the way up to Queens Road. Nice high density area looking down on the city - would have great views. Given that Mcr is mostly flat as a pancake, this very modest hill should be used to best advantage.

I parked at the MEN arena car park and from the top floor you get a great view of Redbank. Those Green Qtr buildings don't look half as bad as they seem on the renders when you see them for real from the Arena. Maybe not so awful after all???

No I do it all the time too, many an hour spent with a tear in my eye following abandoned railways from Manchester to Accrington or Aylesbury to Rugby. God I am a sad case.

Used to live in Aylesbury and i too have traced that line via Buckingham etc! There is also the short but much missed line from Aylesbury to the West Coast mainline. :cry:

The viaduct people are on about will be incorporated in the Faber St scheme(the 3 escalators) as some kind of walkway thing.

I assume they'll have to be cleaned up then. I wonder what the mechanic residents will think.

The viaduct people are on about will be incorporated in the Faber St scheme(the 3 escalators) as some kind of walkway thing.

A walkway thing?? Seems a bit odd. If I was buying one of these flats (and I really do like the design - very smart and very different), I think I'd rather the viaduct in front was demolished. Each to their own, but personally if a building or structure has no purpose, historical or architectural value, then I'm defo a proponent of knocking the bastards down (Victoria Baths, Gorton Monastery, CIty Buildings etc. have no purpose any more, but it would be criminal to knock them down because they are such good works of architecture, but why people want to save redundant viaducts and smokestacks is really beyond me).

^^ Is this the Irk Valley?

Relocate the shite industrial premises, and turn it over to parkland (yawn - here he goes again)

It's not sad at all, I was memorising disued rail lines at 13, when everyone slse was riding around on BMXs......

Wait a minute, did I just say it wasn't sad? lol

I used to trace the outline of built up areas on road atlases for comparison until my older brother and his mates found them and beat the shit out of me. Ahh memories.

^^ Oh my God, I've done that too.

I still plan to do a bit of art, which will basically be a shaded representation of the urban Manc area. As far as weird obsessions go, it could be a whole load worse.

Application refused. :sleepy: (I can see why) It's our friends at AEW again! Ring any bells?

Land At Dantzic Street
Cheetham
Manchester

OUTLINE APPLICATION for the siting and means of access only for the erection of maximum 8 storey building to form 66 apartments comprising 37 two bedroom apartments and 29 one bedroom apartments with commercial/retail space at ground and first floor level.

What's the proposed Rubber Works building. Interesting shape. Any clues?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/rubber.jpg

What's the proposed Rubber Works building. Interesting shape. Any clues?

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f85/garybaldy/Sandcrawler.jpg

^:lol:

What of the lift cores for the jefferson building? How high are they now? anybody?

Just seen em jerv, they're higher than the current built buildings at green quarter, by about 2 floors. The actual floor plates go up 3/4 floors.

Here you go Jerv.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d144/legin3/var018.jpg

Making an impact on the skyline

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j159/rolybling2/grnq-0606.jpg

Today.

079338/FO/2006

Land Bounded By
Cheetham Hill Road/Lord Street/Redbank And Scotland (Green Quarter, Block 5)
Cheetham Hill

Erection of new 13/19 storey residential building to include 158 no. 1 and 2 bedroom apartments with 2 levels of basement car parking (86 no. spaces) with access from Fernie Street and associated landscaping

Associated documents should be available soon.

I was always under the impression that Jefferson was going to be the tallest of the GQ block's ,,if this one is bounded on Cheetham Hill Rd , this would look even taller ,, what do we know about block 5 ?

Well they have already submitted a planning application for Block 6 (Vella House) which is an Aedas design..

http://www.egi.co.uk/webpics/cmspics/31665.JPG





Block 5 is Britton House I think - the one that terminates the vista of the green boulevard and which also fronts onto Cheetham Hill Road. This is another Leach Rhodes Walker designed building who also did Jefferson House. (LRW seem to be everywhere at the moment!) You can see a small image of this building on the planning documents accompanying their recently submitted 'fresh' tower in Salford.

Cheers for clearing that up Sleepy.

A quick pic of Jefferson Place and the GQ , while i was in the MEN carpark this afternoon.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/100_0832.jpg

I wonder when they'll start on the Hotel?

http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/devsec/uploads/devprop/CityPark.jpg

CityPark, Manchester

This 290,000 sq. ft. mixed-use development site was acquired for £3 million in October 2004. We have now worked up detailed development proposals for the project, which already has outline planning consent for 177,000 sq. ft. of office and 94,000 sq. ft. of hotel accommodation, together with associated car parking. Initial discussions are in hand with a number of hotel operators and a detailed planning application will be submitted once these discussions have progressed satisfactorily. We are now also at the appropriate stage to approach the funding market in respect of the speculative office component.Development Securities' Annual Report 2005



Sounds good for a start in the short to medium term. Still no detailed plans submitted for planning as far as I am aware though.

Quick rundown of Green Quarter:

Phase 1 - Melia House - 10 floors - Built - 114 flats
Phase 2 - Barton Place - 10 floors - Almost Complete - 164 flats
Phase 3 - Masson Place - 10 floors - Almost Complete - 163 flats
Phase 4 - Jefferson Place - 21 floors - Construction - 309 flats
Phase 5 - Britton House - 19 floors - Planning Submitted - 158 flats
Phase 6 - Vella/Vallea House - 20 floors - Planning Submitted - 311 flats
Phase 7 - Budding View - No info yet

Citypark Hotel - 11 floors - Not submitted - 280 rooms
Citypark Offices - 10 floors - Not submitted


Effin density?

thanks guys, thought it was all submitted :(

Rhymes with kite and starts with an (more) s....!

079338/FO/2006/N1

Land Bounded By
Cheetham Hill Road/Lord Street/Redbank And Scotland (Green Quarter, Block 5)
Cheetham Hill


Erection of new 13/19 storey residential building to include 158 no. 1 and 2 bedroom apartments with 2 levels of basement car parking (86 no. spaces) with access from Fernie Street and associated landscaping

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/079338-DRG-00061.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/079338-DRG-00091.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/079338-DRG-00101.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/079338-DRG-00111.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/079338-DRG-00121.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/079338-DRG-00131.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/079338-DRG-00151.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/079338-DRG-00161.jpg



http://www.publicaccess.manchester.gov.uk/associateddocs/MCCList1.aspx?079338/FO/2006/N1

Thanks jerb, THAT'S FUCKIN SHIT!!

I think the whole GQ development is wank, the only saving grace is the hotel [if they build it]which will block most of it from view on Cheetham Hill Rd.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/079338-DRG-00161.jpg

Looks like someone's brandishing their wang on Hornbeam way.

Thanks jerb, THAT'S FUCKIN SHIT!!

I think the whole GQ development is wank, the only saving grace is the hotel [if they build it]which will block most of it from view on Cheetham Hill Rd.

Spot on Roly.

This whole development is turning out to be an absolute disgrace. And to think, they've sold almost all the apartments.

Why did i get rounded on by all and sundry when i laid in to GQ a couple of months back with my 'future slum' comment and yet now everyone has realised it is all shit.
I was right - yes?
You have seen the light i take it.
I wont gloat if you all want to admit that you were all wrong and i ws right!

Spot on Roly.

This whole development is turning out to be an absolute disgrace. And to think, they've sold almost all the apartments.
That is quite amazing isn't it! It just shows you that some people will live in any old pile of shit just so they can live in the city, and therefore become one of the beautiful people knocking back their frapacino's at the "chain" bars on Deansgate. Disappointing. Manchester needs more diversity, originality and independent unique little treasures instead of this homogenized lifestyle crap thats being sold at the moment. arrgh!!!!!!!!!!

Why did i get rounded on by all and sundry when i laid in to GQ a couple of months back with my 'future slum' comment and yet now everyone has realised it is all shit.
I was right - yes?
You have seen the light i take it.
I wont gloat if you all want to admit that you were all wrong and i ws right!

I think the idea of highrise aroused us moreso back then regardless of design, we seem to be getting so many now. We can ignore the fact that it's tall, and actually realise that it's shit.

Why did i get rounded on by all and sundry when i laid in to GQ a couple of months back with my 'future slum' comment and yet now everyone has realised it is all shit.
I was right - yes?
You have seen the light i take it.
I wont gloat if you all want to admit that you were all wrong and i ws right!
I didn't round on you.

That is quite amazing isn't it! It just shows you that some people will live in any old pile of shit just so they can live in the city, and therefore become one of the beautiful people knocking back their frapacino's at the "chain" bars on Deansgate. Disappointing. Manchester needs more diversity, originality and independent unique little treasures instead of this homogenized lifestyle crap thats being sold at the moment. arrgh!!!!!!!!!!

To be honest - i wouldn't turn down a flat here, it's alll about location.
i'd even live in fusion! :runaway:

But yes, more innovation please!

I didn't round on you.
Everyone else did! :cry:

It's good that people have differing opinions though, I'd hate it if we all sat here going "oh yeah thats great" to everything like Lemmings. Trust me Longwayround that wasn't rounding on you just some people believe eveything that happens in Manchester is brilliant, we need a balanced forum not a fuckin Manchester appreciation society.

What's with the persecution complex Longford? People didn't "round on" you for your views, rather the more extreme articulation of a couple of unrelated points. Plus I pointed out how you seemed to have been seduced by an apparently funkily-designed low-rise scheme you held up as an antidote to Green Quarter which in my view had much the same deficiencies.

I don't think there is any doubt the quality of the architecture has improved at Green Quarter. Compare this block by LRW with phases 1,2 and 3. See also block 6 by Aedas which sparked much of this discussion off - again a step up in design and an improvement to that part of the masterplan.

Green Quarter is not perfect but its a rather easy target. I think once complete - including the commercial element - it will probably come to be regarded as an effective if unremarkable, high desnsity residential scheme.

What's with the persecution complex Longford?
I was being facetious - i dont care what people think about GQ or what i think of it.
I think its shit - thats all that matters!

that's the spirit, be your own man! It gets on my tits[BBC Thread] when people have a go at you for disagreeing with them and not going along with the herd. I too think the GQ is a big pile of shit.

The herd is saying GQ is shit! At this rate it'll be just the 'boho communist, radical nu-hippies' left that are subscribing to the Green Quarter dream! Then where will you go?

that's the spirit, be your own man! It gets on my tits[BBC Thread] when people have a go at you for disagreeing with them and not going along with the herd. I too think the GQ is a big pile of shit.
Anyone who has the pleasure of knowing me will know that i am a cantankerous old git who will argue black is white just for sport.
I do however think GQ is rubbish and thats not being cantankerous - thats just what i think.

I'm happy where I am in my Victorian conversion in Whalley Range thank you very much, It's huge and cheap, compared to town...I wouldn't step foot in half of these apartment blocks in town, I like something with a bit of character.

Anyone who has the pleasure of knowing me will know that i am a cantankerous old git who will argue black is white just for sport.

I don't know you but I do get this impression!

Sleepy, allow people to have a different opinion than your own, I'm not suggesting you come round to my way of thinking, far from it. If you happen to think GQ is good quality architecture and an asset to Manchester then that's fine, it's also fine that I think it's shit, I hope.

Whatever your opinions are on GQ you'vbe got to admit its several notches above Dandara's Chapel Wharf. Now that one truly is dire.

Sleepy, allow people to have a different opinion than your own, I'm not suggesting you come round to my way of thinking, far from it. If you happen to think GQ is good quality architecture and an asset to Manchester then that's fine, it's also fine that I think it's shit, I hope.

I never deny people their opinions. And I would hope people would not deny me mine. I just enjoy challenging opinions which I suspect to be disingenuously held, exaggerated, said for effect or I just plain disagree with. I dont think that sort of thing advances debate, thats all. (Not that I am in any way suggesting people contribute in such a way on this forum! :angel1: )

I'm sure

I like to hear opinions too

What I don't like is being patronised ;)

Whatever your opinions are on GQ you'vbe got to admit its several notches above Dandara's Chapel Wharf. Now that one truly is dire.


I don't think chapel wharf is as bad as this. Perhaps they're just as bad as each other in terms of originality, but at least it's got a certain quality about it (materials/build quality).

wtf?

I just enjoy challenging opinions which I suspect to be disingenuously held, exaggerated, said for effect or I just plain disagree with. I dont think that sort of thing advances debate, thats all. (Not that I am in any way suggesting people contribute in such a way on this forum! :angel1: )
Thats really patronising, who is saying things just for effect? Who is here to see it? You, me, longy, KIDS? You're basically saying I or someone else cannot think for themselves, cannot have their own opinion, its all for effect!!

Come on sleepy, you're better than that.

So we disagree, so what.

night!

My answer to that would be...


Anyone who has the pleasure of knowing me will know that i am a cantankerous old git who will argue black is white just for sport.

.... or I could just claim I was being fascecious all along.

EDIT Sorry about this. Its all getting a bit heated in here tonight. I didnt intend for it to go down this road.

http://www.distantechoes.com/history/grayson/lgrayson.jpg

don't get it!

You werent supposed to KITR.
I just wanted to pick a random and innocuous image to lighten the mood.

You werent supposed to KITR.
I just wanted to pick a random and innocuous image to lighten the mood.

EDIT: I ruined that didn't I!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/079338-DRG-00121.jpg


http://www.bannister.org/coasters/trips/2004/0430leg1.jpg
:runaway:

The difference is, is that legoland is good.

Again, another case of no sparkley renders = shit design. These are very provisional elevaltion drawings so you should give them a chance. Don't make me quote this when everyone changes their minds when the super glitzy Xbox360 renders hit the cybershelves.

The difference is, is that legoland is good.

You're right there. That is a pretty poor effort.

its not that bad, youd hardly see it anyway, cos its in a dip.

Jefferson is coming along nicely

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/100_0878.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/100_0879.jpg

I'm looking forward to the hotel being built to obscure these beasts a bit from the road..

Come on guys. Don't just say it's shit. Say why it's shit.

I think the green qaurter is a bit cheap looking. Those buildings seem very generic. I've seem similar designs all over the UK. Plus to call it the green quarter when it will no doubt be one of the most densley populated areas of the city once complete, is a bit of a piss take.

However as well as looking cheap they are actually quite reasonable to rent. Its as close you can get to city centre living without being pretty minted at the moment. I wouldn't dream of buying one though. As I've said before if the market does reach saturation point the large bland schemes will be the first to loose value (ie this one).

Looking aroung the GQ today , and i think work might be starting on the hotel plot ,

Lets hope so Highriser, the development will probably start to make sense once the hotel is built and the park open etc, in fact when its all done it might look half decent.

I agree Roly ,, actually if you look on Virioli GQ pic's you can see a digger at work ,, when i went past today , there was loads of workman working behing the hotel hoarding .

http://www.bovislendlease.com/llweb/llc/main.nsf/images/pdf_asx_investorroadshow_may06_UK14.pdf/$file/pdf_asx_investorroadshow_may06_UK14.pdf

http://www.bovislendlease.com/llweb/llc/main.nsf/images/pdf_asx_investorroadshow_may06_UK14.pdf/$file/pdf_asx_investorroadshow_may06_UK14.pdf

Says here on page 12 that Stage 6 - Vallea Court is released (to buy, presumably) in June 2006. Roughly how long after places go for sale before the start building, do you think? Or do you reckon they won't start on Stage 6/Vallea court until Jefferson Place is completely built?

The GQ from Angel Meadows park


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/100_0904.jpg

I wouldn't dream of buying one though. As I've said before if the market does reach saturation point the large bland schemes will be the first to loose value (ie this one).

I personally can't see it happening tho! Unless there is a really really big down turn in the economy!
I live in the south east just outside london & can't believe the amount of people suddenly waking up to the fact that the world does not revolve around london & seriously considering a move to one of those flats near you! I personally know 2 people happily relocated to manchester.

I agree with you mate , i know quite a few that have moved to Manchester from London,,selling up and getting a much bigger pad in Central Manchester.

Yeah! better quality life, nicer people!! It just adds up.
Once I sort myself out down here I'll be joining 'em!! but it maybe leeds or manchester for me, depends on the job.

note this ‘lets all move to manchester’ is all without the bbc, government depts & others companies relocating in future! prices & demand can only rise!

It also helps that we've got one wicked city here, the London posse are just waking up to it like you say.

Yeah again I know a few London centric southerners that have made the obvious choice in the last year, I myself am originally from the southern end of the no mans land between London and Manchester! Just hope I can bag myself a better house before our prices get as silly as theirs.

Greenquarter so far has been cheap tat; but each phase is much better in terms of both design and materials than the last. Hope that this trend does continue and the stuff closet to town turns out rather spanky, what Ive seen of the hotel and parts of the next phase does look pretty good, and in anycase an improvement.

Although this might provoke a wrath, it looks like the kind of nasty stuff they have slapped up next to the railway in Leeds in the last couple of years (although some of it is superior to greenquarter), they deserve much better and so does Manchester.

You're right there's loads of these generic pieces of shit in Leeds, and Manchester, which I hate, we do deserve much better.

Citypark.(hotel/office)

Many thanks for your interest in the Citypark Manchester website.

The website will be updated in the Autumn. At this point there will be more to report on the progress of the site.

If it's an Autumn update, the planning application for the proposed development should be going in sometime within in the next 2-3 months hopefully.

http://www.cityparkmanchester.co.uk/

looks nice i cant remember seeing any renders of this?

Thats come along pretty well, lets hope it screens all the existing shite.

Very distracting angle on this picture, doesnt seem right somehow...

However look at all the cheeky mentions of other developments on there, and the land oposite CIS being called "Principal Place" didnt know it had a working title? If I had the cash would definately buy up some land round Strangeways, money to be made....

http://www.cityparkmanchester.co.uk/images/aerial_view.jpg
(off the location page on JRB's link)

Jefferson Place

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/100_1029.jpg

The Green Quarter from Angel Meadow

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/100_1028.jpg

Thanks for all these pics highriser.

some information on the hotel and office

http://www.manser.co.uk/Manser_Site/ManserFlash.html

got to project then current projects and then the second page of it and it will be there under city park

Crosby have officially launched for sale Vallea Court & Cypress Place which together form phase 5 of Green Quarter.

http://www.egi.co.uk/webpics/cmspics/31665.JPG
Phase 5

^^ These look so much better than whats already gone up. I´m glad they´ll obscure the view of Lego land when looking from the city centre.

^^ These look so much better than whats already gone up. I´m glad they´ll obscure the view of Lego land when looking from the city centre.

Crosby have officially launched for sale Vallea Court & Cypress Place which together form phase 5 of Green Quarter.

http://www.egi.co.uk/webpics/cmspics/31665.JPG
Phase 5

wow looks like theyve finally scraped enough money together to hire an architect. its a big improvement from the student flats theyve been trying to pass off as a "luxury" development in the earlier phases

My mate works for a letting agency and she was talking about the different apartments on their books, in Manchester. Apparently flats in the green quarter are some of the easiest to rent out. I gather its because they are at the cheaper end of the city centre apartments but even so they are surprisingly very popular.

I was drunk when we had the conversation so I can't remember everything she said but she claimed also a lot of the flats around Ludgate Hill, build wise are a bit below par. She didn't have much good to say about the Tabacco Factory. I'd prefer Ludgate Hill to the greenquarter though, because it feels more attached to the centre and you don't have to walk up the hill.

She described some very plush but expensive apartments in the Edge but said her personal favourites tended to be in Ancoats. She told me the names but I wasn't familiar with them and have since forgotten, I'm afraid.

^^ These look so much better than whats already gone up. I´m glad they´ll obscure the view of Lego land when looking from the city centre.

lol

Some larger images of.....

Vallea Court (Phase 5)
http://www.manchesterpropertyguide.co.uk/images/Dotm/crosby/crosby01.jpg

http://www.manchesterpropertyguide.co.uk/images/Dotm/crosby/crosby02.jpg


..... And some images of

Jefferson Place (Phase 4)

...... which is now well under construction.
http://www.smartnewhomes.com/media/prop/17/1778311_1_41338_9_11_2005.jpg

http://www.smartnewhomes.com/media/prop/17/1778312_1_41357_9_11_2005.jpg

http://www.smartnewhomes.com/media/prop/17/1778407_1_37190_9_11_2005.jpg

http://www.smartnewhomes.com/media/prop/17/1778416_1_40523_9_11_2005.jpg

http://www.smartnewhomes.com/media/prop/17/1778417_1_40706_9_11_2005.jpg


Curiously or pehaps tellingly, Phase 5, which is the best looking phase so far (and the one which is the most public facing element) is the only one designed by Aedas; the rest having been designed by Leach Rhodes Walker. Crosby have reverted to Leach Rhodes Walker for Phase 6 (submitted planning application). I am speculating there is an evident link here between architect fee rates and quality of product although to be fair LRW have produced some pretty impressive looking stuff of late elsewhere.

I must say I like the look of phase 4, it looks different to anything that we have already.

http://www.smartnewhomes.com/media/prop/17/1778311_1_41338_9_11_2005.jpg

I much prefer it in black. Can i have it in black please?

^^ I spose if you bought all the apartments they'd let you have it in black...

I'm really liking the look of phase 5, looks way more sofisticated than the others.

I reckon it's got a Miami look to it. I hope it turns out that way. You know, modern, white with pastel shades, maybe just a hint of Art Deco.

I agree it deffinately has a miami look to it - but in a tacky sense of the word. Everytime I see renders of jefferson place I´m overcome with the urge to throw on a pastel coloured polo and roll up the arms on my jacket sleeves.

Green Quarter, block 6, details.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/av.jpg

Information, renders, diagrams etc.

077806/FO/2005/N1

Green Quarter, Block 6
Land Bounded By Cheetham Hill Road Lord Street Redbank And Scotland
Cheetham Hill

Erection of one 14 storey block and one 15 to 18 storey block to form 345 no. apartments with 465sqm of commercial floorspace (class A1, A2, B1, D1 and D2) with 232 car parking spaces and associated landscaping

http://www.publicaccess.manchester.gov.uk/publicaccess/dc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=IQTRIABC90000&searchtype=WEEKLY

I agree it deffinately has a miami look to it - but in a tacky sense of the word. Everytime I see renders of jefferson place I´m overcome with the urge to throw on a pastel coloured polo and roll up the arms on my jacket sleeves.

The words 'tacky' and Miami certainly go together. I don't think a Miami look is one we should be looking for in Manchester, I was there a few weeks ago and it really is nothing on Manchester.

Aw, you know what I mean by the "look" guys. Bright, sunny, clean, white, colour, babes. As opposed to the Coronation Street look of grey, rain, brick, and old bags.

View down Angel Street:

http://www.pichotel.com/pic/4750g5mlQ/77720.jpg

:)

Legoland t'other week
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1507JeffersonPlace_pic2.jpg

The words 'tacky' and Miami certainly go together. I don't think a Miami look is one we should be looking for in Manchester, I was there a few weeks ago and it really is nothing on Manchester.
i live in miami and it's far from tacky.i see the architecture everyday and yes most of them are bright and pastel coloured but it fits the enviroment down to a tee,it gives the place a real positive vibe.i would like to see a few bright buildings in manchester as the weather makes the place look very depressing at times but i think by and large manchesters designs are more classier and more brutal at the same time i think some of the buildings going up would look awesome in just black or maybe with a contrasting colour such as green or blue.

Somebody else who likes colour. Good man, happy gilmore.

I don't think anyone is against colour, it's just that suggesting we should be following the example of Miami in this respect is rather alarming. The two cities are in completely different environments and are culturally very different. What passes in Miami is unlikely to pass in Manchester. Still I agree that we need more white coloured or bright buildings in Manchester, it certainly looks far better than the depressing stained red brick of old victorian terraces.

Fair Do's Liam.

I've developed a bit of an aversion to red brick these days. I don't hate it universally though. There are plenty of buildings where IMHO it looks good. One of my favourite buildings is the University Precinct Centre, and that's entirely brick. And a brick terrace can look good. Maybe I'm feeling that those terracotta patches on new builds are an overdone cliche.