An Ipswich councilor has discovered a loophole in the constitution (or a legal document of some sort) that grants the power fo the federal government to inforce daylight savings without the concent of the Queensland authorities.

Polls that I've heard so far show popularity for the movement.

Any thoughts?

I'd like it to happen again but I doubt it will happen for a while. I hate the fact that the sun gets up at around 5am in summer and by about 7am it is already 30c. At least it will delay the heat a bit longer if reintroduced. As far as the extra hour of sunlight in the evening, im all for that too but then again it means that it will be hotter till later at night. As far as splitting Queensland into different timezones I dont think that will happen either although there was a push for SEQ to go into daylight savings a while back.

Something interesting: When the sun comes up in say Cairns at around 5am in the middle of summer, the sun is actually coming up at the same time in the South East corner of W.A at the same time (3am WST).

The Feds wouldn't do it, why risk being more unpopular when Beattie is justifiably doing such a magnificent job of it at the moment, so let him make the call (which he won't). Also the Nationals are more powerfull in Qld than in any other state, they would never go for it.

We had it before, and it was voted out

It should be brought back, it's friggin stupid that we don't have it.

I guess i don't have an opinion because i'm not affected.

I support daylight savings in the SE, but I really doubt it will be introduced again soon.

I grew up in Canberra and its the only thing that I miss in summer. I completely understand that it means the heat lasts for longer but I reckon its worth it. My sister in law doesnt want it cos she reckons she cant eat dinner till its dark, just one of the many stupid arguements against it.

An Ipswich councilor has discovered a loophole in the constitution (or a legal document of some sort) that grants the power fo the federal government to inforce daylight savings without the concent of the Queensland authorities.

Polls that I've heard so far show popularity for the movement.

Any thoughts?

He should do it. The south east at least needs daylight savings. It pisses me off that the sun comes up at 4 in the morning. Its funny most SEQers voted for daylight savings and yet we were just beaten out by the rural/northern parts of the state. I bet if they did it now we'd win for sure. I've always said they should just cut the state in two during summer, daylight savings in the south east and EST in the north and west. SEQ is already mapped out and we have our own traffic laws - why not different time zones.

Daylight Savings E~Petition (http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/EPetitions%5FQLD/cgi-bin/Petitions.cgi?Action=1)


This online petition you may of seen in numerous emails in the past week. If you support daylight saving vote in the E~petition.

This has had the most votes ever for any online petition by the state.

Daylight Savings E~Petition (http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/EPetitions%5FQLD/cgi-bin/Petitions.cgi?Action=1)


This online petition you may of seen in numerous emails in the past week. If you support daylight saving vote in the E~petition.

This has had the most votes ever for any online petition by the state.

Just signed and sent a copy off to about 100 people.

I DON'T want daylight saving. Getting up in the dark sucks and I really DON'T want to change my clocks. If they implement daylight saving I'm not changing my clocks and I'll just be an hour late for everything. Then again I'm already an hour late for everything anyway... :lol:

I hate it,

Time is time.

NSW and Vic are retarded for using it.

For once I ACTUALLY agree with Malt on anything... :lol:

lol :P

And yes, changing clocks etc. its all bs!

Push for vote on daylight saving
Malcolm Cole, Emma Chalmers and Michael Corkill
29oct05

PRESSURE for a fresh referendum on daylight saving in Queensland is mounting as 41,000 residents echoed a call by key politicians to demand an end to the time-zone turmoil.

As the southern states prepare to set their clocks forward tonight, Prime Minister John Howard and Labor Party members from all levels of government called for Queensland to join them.

The pressure has been compounded by more than 41,000 people who signed an on-line petition on the Queensland Parliament website calling on the Government to act. It is the largest petition gathered for Queensland's Parliament on any subject.

But Premier Peter Beattie remains steadfastly opposed to the proposal, saying it is not a burning issue for Queenslanders.

"Prior to the last election I gave a commitment (not to introduce daylight saving) and I'm sticking to my commitment," he said.

The issue has been reignited by a letter from Ipswich Councillor Paul Tully to the 226 members of the Federal Parliament urging the Commonwealth to use its constitutional powers to force Queensland to change its clocks in summer.

Mr Howard yesterday responded to Cr Tully's call, saying Queensland should consider implementing two time zones to overcome regional opposition to daylight saving.

"I do think that there is a difference between people who live in say Mount Isa or way out in western Queensland and in north Queensland, and people who live in the south-east corner," he said.

However, Mr Howard declined the call for federal intervention on the issue.

Several Labor members for federal seats in Queensland yesterday encouraged Mr Beattie to officially reopen debate on the subject.

Oxley MP Bernie Ripoll said it was time for Queensland to "get in step with the rest of the country" and he called for a new daylight saving trial.

"I know we had a referendum but that was a fair while ago," Mr Ripoll said. "I think it's time to have a serious look at it again and just get on with it."

Opposition frontbencher Kevin Rudd, member for Griffith, said the issue should be put to voters again in a referendum.

The Labor member for Rankin, Craig Emerson, said Queenslanders should debate the merits of two time zones, with the state divided at the Noosa River.

"We got from the 1992 referendum that people south of the Noosa River support it, but people north of the Noosa River intensely dislike the idea," Dr Emerson said.

One of Mr Beattie's state Labor MPs, Broadwater's Peta-Kaye Croft, said she thought daylight saving would be "terrific" for tourism and for the Gold Coast, but she understood the Premier's position.

Gold Coast mayor Ron Clarke and deputy mayor David Power did not return calls. The mayors of southeast Queensland rural shires including Kilcoy, Gatton, Beaudesert and Esk were vehemently opposed.

"My opinion on daylight saving is if someone wants to start an hour earlier, just do it but don't stuff with the clock," Esk mayor Graeme Lehmann said.

"The cows don't let their milk down any earlier yet you have got the guy driving the milk tanker to pick it up on daylight saving."

Beaudesert Mayor Joy Drescher said: "Personally, I loathe it with a vengeance. It is hard enough to get up in the morning."

North Queensland mayors urged the southeast to go it alone, but said they wanted nothing to do with it.

Townsville Mayor Tony Mooney said opinion in the north was strongly against daylight saving.

"Frankly, the last time this was debated in Queensland and put to a vote, even southeast Queensland voted it down," he said.

Acting Cairns Mayor Margaret Gill said: "We are so far west that we already have our own inbuilt daylight saving."

Mr Beattie's refusal to budge on the issue has been endorsed by Queensland Nationals senator Barnaby Joyce, who said the issue already had been decided in the referendum held in 1992.

The issue has split the newly formed state Coalition. The Nationals are steadfastly opposed to the idea and the Liberal Party is in favour. Deputy Opposition Leader Jeff Seeney said the Nationals were prepared to listen to Liberal calls for a zonal system but "will take a lot of convincing that Queensland needs to be split into two time zones".

Cr Tully said he was pleased his letter had "taken the debate to another level".


http://www.couriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,17068333%255E952,00.html

Bring daylight savings in now. It really is a major problem with Queensland. So many Mexicans move here and say "it's great, but I really miss daylight savings!" I was one of them.

To anybody who opposes daylight savings, move to another state where they do have it for the entirety of the summer and come back to me. You'll love it.

And don't come back and argue with me; that was an order! :rant:

The online poll has a long time to run before it closes. If the figure gets over say 150k that would be huge. Otherwise I cannot see the current government doing anything. They do not want to rock the boat as they are having enough trouble in the polls regarding the hospitals etc.

2007/8 I think it may happen - IF Beattie is gone and Labor are still in power.

marty_k if your so in favour of daylight saving piss off and go back to Mexico!

What gives ex-Mexicans the right to whinge about not having daylight saving?

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the same right as you have for expressing your oppinion....

I was born here, but I agree with daylight savings after living in countries which use it. Have you even experienced it for the full period? If not, how can you express an oppinion? At least Marty does have the experience.

I like daylight saving. If Brisbane is pro-development, it also makes good economic sense to have Queensland in-line with doing business in New South Wales and Victoria. Besides to have the time difference for flights between Melbourne and Brisbane ranging from one to 3 hours is madness.

I DONT want it..

But I do want to be in line with NSW and Vic.

I wish u idiots would just stop using it.

DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!

we are left behind up here when the southerners go into daylight savings. im all for it! better quality of life. more hours during the day to take up things u like.

i dont like the idea of splitting the state though. queenslanders have always been 1 voice and i dont like the idea of splitting from our northern and western neighbours. so i say they can have daylight savings ;)

when i was in melbourne a couple of summers ago i fuckn hated having the sun up at 8 or even 9 oclock. i want night time to be exactly that, night time. as for the sun getting up at 4. who cares? barely anyone is awake at that time of day anyway. it's just not neccessary to have DST in a place like queensland. the only real reason i can see is to make interacting with NSW and VIC a bit easier during the summer, but even then we've spent years interacting with the time difference so it's not like its imperative that we change it.

as for the 'more hours during the day to do things' argument. no there arent. its just that the amount of hours of sunlight switches from approx. 4-8 to 5-9. if u want to fit more activity into your day, get up earlier.

Why don't you just stay up later? Or does mum have to tuck you into bed. ;)

marty_k if your so in favour of daylight saving piss off and go back to Mexico!

What gives ex-Mexicans the right to whinge about not having daylight saving?

Oh good, rational arguments! I would respond with something to the effect of "folks like you are what gives Queensland its backwards hick reputation", however that may be offensive to just about all other Queenslanders, who are generally rather friendly.

Queensland will get daylight savings sooner or later. The amount of people moving in from southern states (and the amount of people in Queensland who support it already) will make sure of it. :)

i think its hard having such a large state - there is no pratical purpose for cairns and north queensland to have day light savings - but yes for south east queensland its great! however it will be very difficult politically to divide the state.

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That's true, but the fact is, if the govt doesn't want to divide the state, then it's got to come down to the fact that 75% of the population lives if SEQ, even if it's a tiny proportion of the size.

I hate it,

Time is time.

NSW and Vic are retarded for using it.

Like ABS I also agree with Malt. I remember what it was like when we had daylight savings, and I didn't like it. The refferendum put it down, stop trying to revive something that is dead.

I like this sentence from the article:
"My opinion on daylight saving is if someone wants to start an hour earlier, just do it but don't stuff with the clock," Esk mayor Graeme Lehmann said.

My sentiments too. The misconception of having 'more hours in the day' seems to be such an underdeveloped idea, it's silly. If you want to get up earlier or later or go to be earlier or later, then that is your choice - just do it - why change the clock for it and put the entire population out.

After saying this, it is just my opinion. The results of the on-line poll are astounding, forget about getting to 150k, 42k is amazing already! Perhaps the govt should do something about it, but to me it'll just be Beattie ignoring the population again and just doing his own thing...

I don't want it, I don't like it, and I hope it doesn't come back, it was ended for a good reason - but who am I...

Beatties argument is who cares if we're an hour behind NSW and VIC, we're doing fine as it is. We're an hour or 2 infront of SE Asia and to him the relationship with them is more important and the time difference doesn't seem to have any effect on it either. He sees Queenslands time zone as the meet in the sandwich. As I said before i personally would like DST reintroduced, but I can't see Beattie ever doing it.

One of the annoying things about not having DLS is the fact that our TV is also one hour behind. So we will already know what will happen before it finishes.....like the winner of Australian idol - and we also lose one hour of voting! lol

Whoopty do!

Change the timezone so you have an extra hour to vote for talentless hacks who aren't even worthy of D-grade celebrity status, reserved for such talentless imitation celebrities such as Kate Fischer and Shannon Noll.

One of the annoying things about not having DLS is the fact that our TV is also one hour behind. So we will already know what will happen before it finishes.....like the winner of Australian idol - and we also lose one hour of voting! lol

Uh-oh! lol :bash:


I see the advantages and disadvantages of DST. Personally I don't mind either way but I don't really see the dire need to conform to our southern counterparts.

It would be great for conformity but I just don't see the point in a tropical town not that far from the equator like Cairns or Townsville using DST. But on the other hand in a place like Sydney, I love it, it's great having sun until.. say 7pm.

we should definatley have day light saving, it would be an interesting change to be light at 7.00pm and dark when people get up in the morning...i think it is mostly farmers who are against it.

We normally have daylight till 7pm in summer anyway. There would be nothing new about it. Queensland has coped just fine not having DST since 1992, why change it?

The Tv is broadcast at the same time on the East Coast.

I rather enjoy it being dark and cooler when I go out at night. Daylight savings is really for southerners who need the warmth and light. I'm all too happy to see the end of that heat-generating ball of gas. And it certainly helps you get up in the morning when it's warmer.

It's funny that of the four reasons given in the courier mail today why we should have daylight savings. Two of them were fictitious. Seriously there are only two:
- To put us on the same time as the southerners
- To get more sunlight after work

Against:
- Changing our clocks - why?
- Putting us further in front of Asia etc
- Getting less sunlight before work (just as many if not more people exercise in the morning light as the afternoon, as it's cooler)
- Kids leaving school in the hottest part of the day
- It does nothing. Why not just start work an hour earlier if you want to instead of changing the clock? Most jobs DO have that flexibility.

What we should be asking, is that in this day of workplace flexibility, why do the southern states persist with this archaic notion of daylight 'saving'. It's merely time zone adjustment. Why not just move forward an hour all year? It would offer the same benefit; an extra hour of sunlight after work, all year.

Of course, it's easy to find people to support daylight savings, and harder to find people against it. Because no one against it really cares, until they feel it's going to actually come in (and as such when given the chance, it's rejected by vote). It of course won't ever come in, because introducing it will cause voter backlash, but not gain many, if any at all material votes. It's just not a big enough issue for people to change their vote for, but certainly big enough for people to change their vote against.

One of the annoying things about not having DLS is the fact that our TV is also one hour behind. So we will already know what will happen before it finishes.....like the winner of Australian idol - and we also lose one hour of voting! lol

That's actually one of the annoying things about reality TV. Not DLS.

This is one area in which the media are far behind. Both local TV and movies etc, are coming to the realisation that they need to simulcast everywhere, in order to avoid the 'already seen it / know the result' phenomenon. People download TV from the USA, months before it's screened here. And yet it has nothing to do with time zone. It's just that due to ratings manoeuvring broadcasters choose to delay content. As the world becomes a smaller place, time zones and geography mean less and less.

I've had to stay up to 2am to call another company's support based in India, where it's 8pm for them. So there we are both pretending it's 9am in the USA when for either of us it's out of 'traditional' work hours.

It would be great for conformity but I just don't see the point in a tropical town not that far from the equator like Cairns or Townsville using DST. But on the other hand in a place like Sydney, I love it, it's great having sun until.. say 7pm.

renell is right - this is the real issue. DLS has nothing to do with milking cows. Apart from doing buisness along the east coast, it has heaps to do with energy savings and when lights come on at night in SEQ. There are real and substantial cost benefits and one would think that in the light of QLD's current enery crisis, this alone would be sufficient for politicians to get behind BLS.

I am dreading facing interstate customers this week. The worst part about it all is that people from Adelaide are now half an hour ahead of us in Brisbane. It's absolutely ridiculous.

I like the idea of SEQ moving forward an hour and the rest of the state keeping normal time, since most support for DLS comes from the south-east, while most of the opposition comes from elsewhere. Best of both worlds!

heavens-above.com Solar Data for Brisbane (http://www.heavens-above.com/sun.asp?lat=-27.500&lng=153.017&alt=24&loc=Brisbane&TZ=UCTm10)

Just to bring some science into it, Brisbane's sunrise this morning (30/10/05) occurred at 04:58, sunset 18:05, and the sun's maximum altitude 11:32.

Due to a bit of bad luck, Brisbane is at the eastern edge of this time zone - true midday was at only 11:32am. So to rub salt into the wound, geographically we're retarded by about half an hour. By comparison Melbourne's midday was at 12:04pm our time :bash:

SEQ only DST would possibly be the worst option of all. Can you imagine departments like QLD Health dealing with branch offices on a different time zone? It makes even less sense being on a different time zone to the rest of the state than being on a different time zone to other states, half of which are on a different time zone for the whole year anyway.

[QUOTE=defec8R]heavens-above.com Solar Data for Brisbane (http://www.heavens-above.com/sun.asp?lat=-27.500&lng=153.017&alt=24&loc=Brisbane&TZ=UCTm10) Just to bring some science into it, Brisbane's sunrise this morning (30/10/05) occurred at 04:58, sunset 18:05, and the sun's maximum altitude 11:32.


So if you had sunrise at 5:58 and sunset at 19:05, would this not save a lot of electricity. Only those who like having nursery tea are likely to feel too cheated.

i woke up this morning at 5.30 and it was bright as say 9.00. i hate it. bring in DST

There are good arguements for both sides, but really its not going to drastically improve or hinder anyones life in SEQ, the rest of the state is another story. I miss DLS and in a lot of ways I would personally benefit from having it, but you get use to not having it, just like if we got it we would all get use to it.

Paul Williams: End this daylight snobbery

November 03, 2005

FROM faded curtains to upset cows, Queenslanders have heard all the jokes about daylight saving. Each year yet more voices remind Queenslanders of the virtues of daylight saving and how the Sunshine State remains awkwardly out of step with eastern Australia. And with each passing summer those voices have been shouted down with little resistance. Until now.

Ipswich councillor Paul Tully recently reignited the daylight saving debate with a letter to the Prime Minister urging federal intervention. Interestingly, John Howard adopted a politically partisan position in agreeing that Queensland - or at least the southeast - should adopt daylight saving. Such Prime Ministerial comment is noteworthy for two reasons: it reflects the growing support for uniform summer time zones and, second, it puts Howard at odds with many of his state Coalition colleagues.

But Queensland's debate sheds light on several key political and social issues. It reflects a shifting state political culture and, with it, a changing relationship between Queensland and the rest of Australia.

Generally speaking, growing support for daylight saving suggests the state has reached new levels of political maturity. Traditionally, most Queenslanders' opposition to daylight saving had been rooted in the bush, where farmers launched bucolic arguments of a disrupted pastoral industry. Governments - both Labor and conservative - have yielded to this rural pressure, a fact that speaks volumes about the power the bush has traditionally exerted over metropolitan Queensland.

Even recently, Premier Peter Beattie fanned these populist fires by adding that daylight saving proved an unnecessary burden to mothers with small children. Until now, both arguments were sufficient to quell dissent. This year, however, there has been a discernible shift in rhetoric, and the old shibboleths are being eclipsed by more sophisticated arguments posited by an increasingly urban - and urbane - southeast Queensland.

For one, a time lag is now seen as a burden for families, with employees arguing that time differentials make schooling and child-minding difficult for those who live in one state but work in another. For another, while business has always argued that split time zones impede commerce not once but throughout the day via staggered opening, lunch and closing hours, the argument today has found particularly receptive ears in light of recent attention given to problems of commercial over-regulation. Quite simply, time differences are seen as yet another unnecessary regulation.

Beattie's response, predictably, has been that Queensland is part of the global economy and therefore accustomed to doing business across time zones. But most small-business operators have little truck with this logic.

But the state's changing attitudes also tells us something about Queensland's shifting demography. Interstate migration in recent years has pushed Queensland's population to four million. More tellingly, most of these migrants hail from NSW and Victoria, where daylight saving has enjoyed a long and popular history.

New Queenslanders, then, are likely to swell disproportionately the levels of support for daylight saving. Add to this that most of these migrants settle in the state's southeast, and a political maelstrom is in the making. In short, a southeast Queensland growing in both size and support for "modern" urban values suggests Queensland is today far less susceptible to old-style populism and rural political pressure.

Strangely, Beattie appears blind to the political implications of this. In refusing to concede, he is attempting to assuage a cranky regional electorate. But, in doing so, he neglects a sensitive constituency that passionately supports daylight saving, particularly on the Gold Coast, where Labor clings to a swag of very marginal seats.

But Queensland's shifting attitudes also reveal much about the state's often awkward relationship with the rest of Australia. Queensland, or at least the southeast, boasts so much in common with southern capitals that we may now eschew the traditional model of an urban triangle and instead refer to the Brisbane-Sydney-Melbourne-Canberra rectangle in terms of shared political and cultural values. In other words, an adolescent southeast Queensland wants to join the grown-ups, with daylight saving yet another rite of passage.

Since a proposal to adopt daylight saving in Queensland was lost at referendum in 1992 (55 per cent rejected the idea), successive premiers have ruled out any further plebiscite. But burgeoning support for its introduction will inevitably see another ballot, quite possibly in conjunction with the next state election, due in early 2007. Although a yes vote will still indicate the existence of two Queenslands - the southeast and the bush - it will clearly mark the end of latter's domination.

Paul Williams is a lecturer in politics at Griffith University in Brisbane. He is the co-editor of Yes, Premier: Labor Leadership in Australia's States and Territories (UNSW Press).

renell is right - this is the real issue. DLS has nothing to do with milking cows. Apart from doing buisness along the east coast, it has heaps to do with energy savings and when lights come on at night in SEQ. There are real and substantial cost benefits and one would think that in the light of QLD's current enery crisis, this alone would be sufficient for politicians to get behind BLS.

DLS may actually increase the energy usage in QLD. As lights were once a major component of energy consumption, airconditioning now is, if everyone gets home earlier and turns their A/C on....

There's actually no change in energy consumption in NSW/Vic due to DLS though.

It's only a matter of time before NSW and Vic abandon their failed experiment with DLS and return to sanity with QLD. In the USA more and more states are dropping DLS realising that it's a system no longer of any use.

For one, a time lag is now seen as a burden for families, with employees arguing that time differentials make schooling and child-minding difficult for those who live in one state but work in another. For another, while business has always argued that split time zones impede commerce not once but throughout the day via staggered opening, lunch and closing hours, the argument today has found particularly receptive ears in light of recent attention given to problems of commercial over-regulation. Quite simply, time differences are seen as yet another unnecessary regulation.

Lunch hours have always been flexible, and no two businesses are the same. It's actually of benefit to have them staggered, and helps business, as people who say go to the post office at lunch, go over a longer period, meaning that the post office doesn't have as many people arrive at once, and so they need less staff, profits go up etc. Same goes for places like Twin Towns, they can effectively seat more people at dinner, with that extra hour of 'dinner time' created by DLS in one state and not the other.

But the state's changing attitudes also tells us something about Queensland's shifting demography. Interstate migration in recent years has pushed Queensland's population to four million. More tellingly, most of these migrants hail from NSW and Victoria, where daylight saving has enjoyed a long and popular history.

This tells the real story. DLS has no more benefit than it has had for the last few decades. (Less infact). It's more of a case of southern migrants being unable to adapt.

I fail to see why SEQ with a population of over 2million should cater for a few hundred thousand northern NSW residents.

And seriously, business with the southern states suffering? I don't know about you, but I've worked in offices with work times ranging from 7am-3pm to 10am-6pm, all within the one state. If your business deals with southern states, it's easy to adjust, if you even WANT to. There's an advantage to being an hour out as well ;).

Really, why does it matter? Queensland manages "somehow" with a different time to our overlords, so why change what works. If fact, why is this even being debated? I'm sure theres more productive matters to discuss (i.e. Healthcare, public transport, urban planning etc.)

I don't want to walk home from school when its still 36 degrees and as shado said, people will automatically reach for the airconditioning switch as soon as they get home. Seeing as airconditioning is responsible for almost all our power failings as of late, adding and extra hour of strain is just going to make matters worse.

And if people want to do something during daylight hours, stop watching Bold and the Beautiful and do your (insert suburban housewife exercise fad here). Or better yet, WAKE UP AN HOUR EARLIER!

I don't think either side is going to agree. So just bring DLS back. :)

Like Sir Johannes Bjekle-Petersen, I am dont think you should mess with the time that the LORD God our Father gave us. Daylight Savings is just another example of creeping socialism.

I don't think either side is going to agree. So just bring DLS back. :)

That doesn't make sense. lol.

I agree with BrizzyChris.

As much as I hate Sir Joh and what he stood for, I think he was on the money when he rejected DST.

Why bother? I'm not saying this from a conservative point of view, I'm saying this from a lazy's bastards point of view, what difference does one more hour of sunlight make?

Welcome to Queensland, remember to set your watches back and hour and and your mind back 20 years :lol:

As much as I hate Sir Joh and what he stood for, I think he was on the money when he rejected DST.

Why bother? I'm not saying this from a conservative point of view, I'm saying this from a lazy's bastards point of view, what difference does one more hour of sunlight make?

Heaps, for one its impossible to make early moring meetings in Sydney or Canberra. You have to go the night before adding costs to business - it takes 2 hours 10 minutes to fly to Sydney and 10 minutes to get home.

In order to do business with the South offices in Brisbane must open an hour early which adds to staffing costs.

Though if SEQ took on Daylight savings the north and west of the state would still be on normal EST and offices in Brisbane would still have to stay open an hour later - you can't win really, not in a state this size.


http://www.coastal.crc.org.au/seq/images/SEQ2.jpg
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DLS for SEQ and the rest of the state can stay on EST.

I like the concept of a 10 minute plane trip back to Queensland :lol:

To the people who want daylight savings- South-east queensland predominantly, it makes very little difference wo our lives. But it has a much larger affect on rural northen queensland and they don't want it. It's not that bigger deal for us and we have to consider that it will affect their lives more by bringing it in.

To the people who want daylight savings- South-east queensland predominantly, it makes very little difference wo our lives. But it has a much larger affect on rural northen queensland and they don't want it. It's not that bigger deal for us and we have to consider that it will affect their lives more by bringing it in.

Which is why we should divide the state into two different time zones. The industrial, urban, metropolitan SE corner and leave the rural in another time zone. This is a big state - Mt Isa for instance is as far west as Adelaide!! They can't possibly do DLS.

We could go around and around in circles with this for even more days and days, when it comes down to it it is a personal preference and regardless of the facts we are all going to take on board the arguement that suits that preference. Can we change this to a voting thread? I would do it if I knew how.

The farmers and folks in rural areas will get used to it. Come on, it works in NSW, Victoria and South Australia. If more than 50% of Australia's population can do it, it can't be that outrageous.

Queenslanders opposing it are just being stubborn because they can (and are always).

True enought that NSW farmers can do it but rural Queensland is a lot hotter that in those other East coast states further South.

I'm being selfish here, give me a break! :crazy2:

you got it. :)

All I can say is that Perth has managed to be on a different time zone to the rest of Australia, so why is it so hard for Queensland. There is more and more international stuff going on now, so once again, why should it be so hard for Queensland???

Bring back daylight Savings!

I currently work in the airline industry - and thanks to good old John Howard - they have extended Daylight Savings due to the Commonwealth Games in Melbourne!

And as all our flights were ready to go for the Month of April/May - we are now in the process of calling out over 10,000+ passengers and advising them of there schedule change - and what do I get on the phone "Gee thanks, now i have to rearrange all my transfers, etc, etc because you guys cant get it fu$#en right" - my response "No its not our fault - email John Howard and Peter and tell them to get it right"!

Unless you work in an industry effected by Daylight Savings - you have NO IDEA about all the dramas this has placed on EVERYONE!!!

Bring back daylight Savings!

I currently work in the airline industry - and thanks to good old John Howard - they have extended Daylight Savings due to the Commonwealth Games in Melbourne!

And as all our flights were ready to go for the Month of April/May - we are now in the process of calling out over 10,000+ passengers and advising them of there schedule change - and what do I get on the phone "Gee thanks, now i have to rearrange all my transfers, etc, etc because you guys cant get it fu$#en right" - my response "No its not our fault - email John Howard and Peter and tell them to get it right"!

Unless you work in an industry effected by Daylight Savings - you have NO IDEA about all the dramas this has placed on EVERYONE!!!

If no one in Australia had daylight savings this wouldn't be a problem because they wouldn't think about extending the times!!

If no one in Australia had daylight savings this wouldn't be a problem because they wouldn't think about extending the times!!

Exactly!! The point you raise chrisco doesn't help with the argument to bring back daylight savings - get rid of it and wont have any problems like this!

Why do we have to save the daylight? Is it going to run out?

If I go to a shop during daylight hours and pick up a bargain, is that considered Daylight savings????????? :rofl:

Muhahahha

Time is Time quit F%^$ing with it FOOLS

Just fucking bring it back!

Exactly!! The point you raise chrisco doesn't help with the argument to bring back daylight savings - get rid of it and wont have any problems like this!

Good idea - we could apply that brilliant logic everywhere. Get rid of cars, no accidents, pollution or envy. same with fashion. Get rid of food. Then we all starve - no more inequality.

:D

Current status of the E Petition on the State Parliament site

58564 - have signed for DLS
6803 - Against DLS

Anton taht is the post retarded thing ive ever heard.

The situations you listed, and this one, are nothing alike.

Ok everyone from now on were going to impliment a system where every 2 months a new day is inserted between Saturday and Sunday. It will be called Satunday. Its intended for longer weekends.



THATS WHAT DAYLIGHT SAVINGS IS LIKE. QUIT. FUXING AROUND. WITH TIME.

Anton taht is the post retarded thing ive ever heard.

The situations you listed, and this one, are nothing alike.

Ok everyone from now on were going to impliment a system where every 2 months a new day is inserted between Saturday and Sunday. It will be called Satunday. Its intended for longer weekends.



THATS WHAT DAYLIGHT SAVINGS IS LIKE. QUIT. FUXING AROUND. WITH TIME.
Shoosh. Daylight Savings is just logical. Make use of summer and have fun.

Like ABS I also agree with Malt. I remember what it was like when we had daylight savings, and I didn't like it. The refferendum put it down, stop trying to revive something that is dead.

I like this sentence from the article:
"My opinion on daylight saving is if someone wants to start an hour earlier, just do it but don't stuff with the clock," Esk mayor Graeme Lehmann said.

My sentiments too. The misconception of having 'more hours in the day' seems to be such an underdeveloped idea, it's silly. If you want to get up earlier or later or go to be earlier or later, then that is your choice - just do it - why change the clock for it and put the entire population out.

After saying this, it is just my opinion. The results of the on-line poll are astounding, forget about getting to 150k, 42k is amazing already! Perhaps the govt should do something about it, but to me it'll just be Beattie ignoring the population again and just doing his own thing...

I don't want it, I don't like it, and I hope it doesn't come back, it was ended for a good reason - but who am I...

Yes 42,000 people signed a poll to bring back daylight saving. There are 4 million people in Queensland. Do you change the law because 1% of the population signed a petition??

Should we keep the law because 6,000 people don't want it?

When i have to change my clocks, Someone is going to have to take a punch in the face.
Each time it happens.

Are you volunteering to be that person Chris?

Should we keep the law because 6,000 people don't want it?


All I can say is that the referendum showed that Queenslanders in general did not want daylight saving. So I am assuming more than 6000 people don't want it. Most people couldn't be bothered to sign a petition for a law that came into effect 10 years ago due to a referendum.