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Commonwealth Games bid: Shannon plans unveiled as legacy touted

Co-operation makes latest try ‘winnable,’ bid committee says

By Marilyn Smulders
The Daily News

CITY HALL – The chance to host the 2014 Commonwealth Games presents an unprecedented opportunity for Halifax, says Fred MacGillivray, chairman of the Halifax Bid Committee.
“Hosting the 2014 Commonwealth Games has the potential to change our community for the better,” MacGillivray said yesterday at the official launch of Halifax’s bid at City Hall.

The bid focuses on what the games — almost a decade away — could leave behind. Sports facilities and housing would be built for athletes to use during the games, and for Nova Scotian families to enjoy afterwards.

Building the infrastructure will serve Halifax Regional Municipality well in providing “even more event-hosting opportunities,” said MacGillivray, president of Trade Centre Ltd.

A “sports park” is proposed for Shannon Park in north-end Dartmouth. Plans show a 40,000-seat sports stadium, aquatic centre, gymnasium, warm-up field and waterfront walking trail. As well, an athletes’ village, providing accommodations for 6,000 visiting games participants, would convert to affordable housing after the event.

The 40-hectare site at the base of the A. Murray MacKay Bridge would be accessed by ferry from Halifax Harbour, and by road near the MacKay toll booth.

The price tag? Upwards of $500-million, based on research done when Halifax made its unsuccessful bid for the 2010 Commonwealth Games three years ago. The cost of preparing the bid is estimated at $750,000, to be shared between the Province of Nova Scotia and HRM.

It’s that kind of co-operation that will make Halifax’s bid “winnable,” said MacGillivray, whose navy blue jacket matched those worn by Mayor Peter Kelly and Premier John Hamm. All three jackets were embroidered on the breast pocket with the Halifax 2014 bid logo — an eight-pronged star that looks vaguely like the citadel from the air.

“We are fully committed to this because it means great things for our province,” said Hamm. He said support for the bid is “nonpartisan and regional,” shared by the provincial NDP and Liberal parties, as well as New Brunswick Premier Bernard Lord, Prince Edward Island Premier Pat Binns and Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams.

Halifax’s bid lands on the desks of Canada’s Bid Review Committee members on Tuesday. Site visits to Halifax by the committee are expected in November, and a decision on which of four Canadian cities will be named the Canadian candidate bid city comes Dec. 15. Halifax, Ottawa, York Region and Hamilton are in the running.

Even if Halifax is successful in being named as the Canadian candidate, it will have to pass muster internationally. Glasgow, Scotland and Abuja, Nigeria, are also vying for the games.

Shannon Park only games site

By BARRY DOREY Staff Reporter

It’s Shannon Park or bust.

The north Dartmouth site is the only one Halifax Regional Municipality will tout in its bid to host the 2014 Commonwealth Games because it boasts special traits that competing cities can’t match, bid chairman Fred MacGillivray told Dartmouth residents Thursday night.

No other metro location – or competing site in Ottawa, Hamilton or the York Region – has the “winnability factor,” he said.

The ability to “cluster” the athlete’s village, stadium and other key facilities in one spot close to the harbour is a dream scenario for Games organizers, he said.

“That’s what will bring it home,” he confidently told residents who came out to hear preliminary details of a plan that would profoundly change their neighbourhood.

About 120 people turned out for the meeting, hosted by Dartmouth-Cole Harbour MP Mike Savage. While throwing his support behind the effort, he said the project must meet four criteria.

He said it must leave a positive infrastructure legacy for Dartmouth, it must retain and enhance public access to the harbour, it must ensure the future of Shannon Park School and it must create a mix of affordable housing.

Residents were worried about the impact of a mega-project, both during construction and after its completion. Parking, traffic, housing, future debt load and the impact on nearby homes and businesses were chief among them.

Mr. Savage said the 40,000-seat stadium would scale back to 25,000 seats after the event. The athlete’s village could transform into a mixed residential community with a variety of housing styles.

They should keep it 40,000 for the Grey Cup. If this gets built then the CFL will almost certainly come to Atlantic Canada.

So all we'll really have to do is beat out Hamliton, York, Ottawa, Glasgow, and Abuja... huh

Hopefully, if we DO get the games, they'll do something cool with the athletes' village. It's right across from downtown so hopefully they'd build some Vancouver-style highrises instead of the boring mid-rise condos that are going up all over the city.

Maybe what with the stadium we'd be able to get more than one decent concert per year too. Plus the CFL team of course.

cool...good news from both sides of the country this week!

sweet! *thumbs up* congrats halifax. i sure hope the commonwelth games come to you guys! i think halifax is an underrated city that needs more worldwide recognition.

actually, you need 50,000 for the Grey Cup.


awesome Halifax, awesome!

sweet! *thumbs up* congrats halifax. i sure hope the commonwelth games come to you guys! i think halifax is an underrated city that needs more worldwide recognition.

Aww, shuck, you're making me blush. But I'd just settle for more national attention, lol. Not many metros with 360k are known worldwide.

But yeah, big, flashy events can be nice, but I'm really just concerned with some of the smaller, quality of life issues right now. It would be nice if something could happen to kick start things a bit.

Call it commonwealth stadium.

if Hamilton doesn't get it, I hope Halifax does

"Commonwealth Stadium"? Edmonton beat us to it, having two would be too confusing. Unless you called them Commonwealth East and Commonwealth West..

I hope Halifax does get it, and a CFL team goes along with it.

"Commonwealth Stadium"? Edmonton beat us to it, having two would be too confusing. Unless you called them Commonwealth East and Commonwealth West..


there is a commonwealth stadium in victoria at uvic.

if Hamilton doesn't get it, I hope Halifax does

Screw Hamilton. Halifax needs it way more.

Hamilton's proposed stadium, next to the Harbour.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v174/Appster/Commonwealth_Stadium.jpg

Screw Hamilton. Halifax needs it way more.

are you sure about that?

are you sure about that?

Touché :hahaha:

Hey if they stick with the name Commonwealth Stadium they could name thier future CFL team the rough riders , that would be cool & Unique as well .

^ :lol:

the thing is, there are probably a thousand commonwealth stadiums across the world, so I don't see duplication between Edmonton and Halifax as a big thing.

Commonwealth is a pretty lame name though... file it right next to 'centennial' as a complete bore.

Call it commonwealth stadium.

Commonwealth Park Stadium maybe?

That would be so cool if Halifax gets this - on top of the Commonwealth Games, the CFL NEEDS another team...and that's a perfect location for it!

If it doesn't get the Canadian bid, is this dead in the water? Great to see all the Atlantic provinces supporting this bid (even though I'd like Ottawa to get it more). Maybe they can call it Commonwealthstadium (like the Rough Riders and Roughriders);)

If it doesn't get the Canadian bid, is this dead in the water?
Probably. I'm pretty sure just a few months ago, the city, province and Ottawa all refused to initiate funding for a stadium (after the sold out exhibition game) unless there was a huge amount of guarateed corporate funding, which there wasn't.

The Commonwealth Games would be nice but like the Olympics I don't agree with building huge structures for a two week event.
That would not be the case for Halifax for it would almost guaranteee a CFL franchise.
Now that makes it reason alone to build it.
How about the Halifax Atlantians or Atlantics?

On second thought, which has a better ring to it: Sobey Stadium, Irving Centre, or Aliant Place?

How about one of these?
Irving Station
McCain Field
Moosehead Meadowlands
Aliant Dish
:)

Keithsdome?

How about not giving it a corporate name at all. I recognize the signifigant financial gains that are made by letting a corporation name your stadium, areana, grounds etc. but I'm sick of having stadiums change names every couple years when a new sponsor moves in. It really cheapens the atmosphere of a place and makes it seem like you are cheering for a corporation moreso then a team.

Peter Kelley Stadium!

Peter Kelley is a PENIS!

I have my reasons. Like the time I saw him coming out of the Spring Garden RBC building. THAT BASTARD! haha

Atlantic Stadium or Maritime Centre

Maritime marauders!!!

Why not Shannon Park?

thats my wifes name , she'd like that !

Cool article on the Halifax 2014 website: http://www.2014halifax.com/media_uploads/pdf/6.pdf

And from today's Daily News:





This tops the Grey Cup

MacGillivray skipped Vancouver shmooze to work on Commonwealth Games bid


By Alex J. Walling
The Daily News

What, no Fred MacGillivray at Grey Cup week in Vancouver pitching for the CFL in Halifax, or at least trying to get one more of next season’s CFL Touchdown Atlantic games?
Why? What’s going on?

On Friday evening I received calls from two separate media sources, one in Toronto and the other in Halifax, telling me Big Mac didn’t go, and CFL commissioner Tom Wright was not impressed.

As one sportscaster once told me, “Go to the source and find the facts.” So I picked up my trusty phone and indeed found MacGillivray was nowhere near Vancouver and the Grey Cup activities.

But what about Vancouver? Shouldn’t someone from the city be there, simply to press the flesh, to say hi, shmooze, have a drink or two, you know?

Halifax was represented by Trade Centre general manger Scott Ferguson and Robert Logan.

As important — as nice — as it would be to be at the Grey Cup festivities lobbying and cajoling CFL commissioner Tom Wright and the boys for a possible CFL franchise, the cold, hard fact is there will never be a team here without a proper stadium.

MacGillivray is working on it night and day, as the one great stadium opportunity is coming on Dec. 15, and that is in getting the Commonwealth Games. Win the games, and the stadium will automatically follow.

“It’s taking 100 per cent of my time,” MacGillivray told me. “We’ve had meetings this past week with no less than 10 specialists, who are reviewing the bids in every city that have made application. And then we get ready for the bid review committee of eight people who are heading down shortly.

“We will get feedback from the bid specialist people and so forth. Then comes the big Halifax presentation in Toronto, and then the decision on who gets the games.”

For now, MacGillivray’s big push is “Commonwealth, Commonwealth and more Commonwealth.”

I’m starting to wonder if people realize just how big this is. The games bring in more than 6,000 officials, and will draw more than a million people. And I thought the World Junior hockey event in 2003 was big when about 225,000 showed up. The World Juniors were great, but that was only one sport. This is a multi-sport event.

A million: that’s more than four times bigger than the World Juniors!

“If we get the games, it will change Halifax forever. It will be the most positive thing ever to happen to this city,” MacGillivray told me.

“It’s not hundreds, but thousands of hours of preparation, and we want to do everything to do it right.”

As for the Grey Cup, Fearless Fred said: “I was personally invited by CFL commissioner Tom Wright, but could not accept the invitation as a result of the Games. By the way, he called me a few weeks ago, and wished Halifax good luck in our bid.”

MacGillivray also spoke to Wright a few weeks ago, when the CFL commissioner was in town for a function in the city.

MacGillivray pointed out it may have been a good thing he didn’t go to the Grey Cup week events, because he would have had to return by last Friday anyway.

“I would certainly have come back for the Charlie Keating funeral,” he told me.

Maybe it is because we lost the Commonwealth bid to Hamilton, Ont., a few years ago that this event is being downplayed. It shouldn’t be, especially when we look at infrastructure.

The first such games, then called the British Empire games, were held in 1930 in Hamilton. The city got a civic stadium out of it.

The year 1954 saw the games go to Vancouver. Empire Stadium was the result, and the B.C. Lions came in the next year.

In 1978, the games went to Edmonton, and that beautiful stadium is the home of the Edmonton Eskimos.

With all the talk of a possible CFL team in Halifax, it will not happen without a major boost in infrastructure, and these games are the ticket for that.

MacGillivray, more than anyone, knows that, and the next three weeks will determine if Halifax gets it.
He has a great relationship with the CFL’s Wright.

He made sure Halifax is represented by sending Ferguson. All bases seemed to be covered.

The countdown to what could be the biggest day in the life of Halifax’s sports history has started. The presentation in Toronto is 16 days away, on Dec. 14. A day after that comes the decision on which city will be the Canadian bidder in the final competition to host the games.

Mark Dec. 15 on the calendar, for it is the day Halifax history can change. The man who brought us the World Juniors, the World Women’s and the upcoming World Men’s (2008) is trying again.

Shannon Park is named after the HMS Shannon, which took the USS Chesapeake during the War of 1812.

It's actually not a bad name for a Commonwealth event. Without naval victories like that there wouldn't have been a Commonwealth to begin with.

Will this mean a CFL-ready stadium for Halifax?
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Halifax granted Commonwealth bid
Dec. 15, 2005. 10:26 AM
JIM BYERS
SPORTS REPORTER

Just look east to find Canada's bid for the 2014 Commonwealth Games.

A panel of Canadian Games officials this morning announced that Halifax had defeated three other municipalities and will carry the Canadian flag at the 2007 vote on where to stage the 2014 Games.

York Region, Hamilton and Ottawa also put in bids to be the Canadian representative on the 2014 ballot, which won't be in front of the international Commonwealth Games Federation until it meets in Sri Lanka in October, 2007.

Hamilton was the Canadian bid for the 2010 Games after defeating Halifax on the Canadian ballot. But international voters chose New Delhi over Hamilton for 2010, setting the stage for another Hamilton try.

Glasgow is also bidding for the 2014 Games, along with Abuja, the capital of Nigeria. Nigeria's bid could have the edge as the Commonwealth Games have never been staged in Africa.

The 1994 Games were held in Victoria and the 1998 Games in Kuala Lumpur. Manchester had the honours in 2002, while the 2006 version will be staged next March in Melbourne.

York Region bid chair Bill Crothers said the Commonwealth Games don't have the same reputation as the Olympics but that the 2014 Games will be bigger than the Winter Olympics, with up to 7,000 athletes from 72 countries playing more than a dozen sports.

Officials have said it could cost up to $1 billion to stage the Commonwealth Games in Canada if infrastructure costs are included. It's expected that senior levels of government will help pay most of the bill.

Hamilton staged the first Commonwealth Games in 1930, when they were known as the British Empire Games. They were held in Vancouver in 1954 and Edmonton in 1978.

what great news for Halifax. Can't wait to see how this develops.

http://www.halifaxnoway.com/

what's eveyone's take on this?

I think it is short sighted and they clearly don't get it.

"From buying back NSP to investing in health care" - Oh yeah, use the money to through into the bottomless money pits of government owned enterprises and health care.

Will Moncton Beat Halifax To The Stadium?

Written by AtlanticCanadaLive.com

Thursday, 23 March 2006

Prime Minister Stephen Harper will be in New Brunswick Friday on a so-called - 'spending spree'.

Harper is expected to announce up to $44 million, or half the cost of the long-awaited cleanup of the Saint John harbour.

He is also expected to announce federal funding for a $110-million highway bypass in Fredericton.

But Halifax residents hoping to land the 2014 Commonwealth Games may feel deflated with the news that Harper is also expected to announce federal funding for a Stadium in Moncton.

The new stadium would be used to host the 2008 World Junior Athletics Championships and is expected to be located at l'Universite de Moncton.

Moncton and Bydgoszcz, Poland are the only two cities in the running for the 2008 IAAF World Junior Athletics Championships. New York City and Tunis, Tunisia withdrew their bids. Moncton is considered a favourite.

Both Moncton and Halifax have expressed an interest in obtaining a CFL franchise in recent years.

With Moncton securing funding for a stadium before Halifax, the long awaited CFL expansion East could land in Moncton's lap.
It has also been speculated that the federal government would not fund two stadiums in Atlantic Canada. That could be a blow to Halifax's bid for the 2014 Commonwealth Games.

Source: http://www.halifaxlive.com/content/view/596/2/

Well that's great. Harper's revenge for the Nova Scotia legislature thing I guess.

That's awesome for Moncton, though.

Yeah, I just hope it doesn't kill Halifax's chances of a stadium sometime soon too.

The staduim in Moncton will only be 10,000 seats not big enough for a CFL team.

The Moncton stuff is just annoying. The AtlanticCanadaLive thread title was "Moncton to get CFL Franchise". Whatever.

Everything that has to do with Moncton gets exaggerated, and most of the time it's by people in Halifax who have their own agenda. The stadium being built in Moncton is not anywhere in the same leagues as what the CFL would need, and the World Junior Athletics Championships are nothing like the Commonwealth Games.

I've got nothing against Moncton, but it's a lot smaller and people who don't know what they are talking about make wild claims about it. It's fairly common to hear people from Moncton claim that they see more construction than here, etc., when in reality they have 1/5 the number of housing starts and approximately 1/7 the amount of construction, $80M a year instead of $570M (this was taken in 2004). That is larger than the difference between Halifax and Calgary, and yet nobody here claims that those two cities are comparable.

Bruce DeVenne has been posting in the Glasgow bid forum trying to show the flaws with the Halifax bid with local articles and personal opinions with incorrect facts. I find this to be hurting our image and making us look like were a complete wreck. Here is a link to the forum starting with the page he began posting on:

http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=246571&page=10&pp=20

we have to get alex j walling posting there too then he can counter balance with totally inacurate statements pulled out of his ASS. But hey why not go for the whole shooting match and have Scott Logan actually forget the minutes of the august 9th meeting with council on the commonwealth games and then blame it on the media.

The committee's theme song should either be Silent in Golden and the follower of the games committee's theme song should be Dare to be Stupid

Here are some renders of the proposed stadium from WHW Architects (yes Jim Jones, they're a Halifax-based company):
Edit: Oops, these renders are from the 2010 bid.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h140/halpic/s4.jpg
Shannon Park:
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h140/halpic/s1.jpg
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h140/halpic/s2.jpg
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h140/halpic/s3.jpg

Looks cool. No information on the capacity, eh?

The overall plot looks really nice though I'd like to see the stadium right up on the waterfront; sort of part of a maritime theme. If the stadium were to be open on either end, it'd be cool to have one end looking out onto the harbour.

On a side note, I think the MacKay bridge could also be jazzed up a bit with some nice lighting or something, to go along with a Shannon Park redevelopment. Something like the MacDonald - classy, I think.

One question though. On the site it says these are the renderings for the 2010 bid. Is that just an error or are these the old renderings?

Looking good! I never realized how much land there is available there. The bridge thing is for sure a good idea. To have it lit up like the old bridge is now.

One question though. On the site it says these are the renderings for the 2010 bid. Is that just an error or are these the old renderings?
Uh oh, maybe they are old. I'll email them to see.

That looks pretty cool. Are they online somewhere?

These are the renderings for the 2010 bid. The 2014 plan is new and renderings have not been released, but this at least gives an idea of what the whole thing would look like.

Having it by the water is nice in principle but it would be awfully windy. No matter where they put it on the site they will have to be careful about wind unless they want spectators to get hypothermia.

There seems to be some kind of residential construction in these renderings, which I guess would be the athletes' village. I guess that is nice, although the area is kind of isolated. It's cut off from the rest of Dartmouth and the areas it's cut off from aren't even that great. I don't think I'd want to live there.

No, it would be a terrible place to live, which is why the existing converted military housing stock has gone begging in the residential market. I'm not real impressed with the stadium either. Those renderings make it look very small with relatively few rows of seating on very steep angles. Plus being at the waterfront it will be damn cold. If you have ever experienced Candlestick Park in San Francisco this has the potential to be similar -- colder and windier than just about any other spot in town.

Here are some renders of the proposed stadium from WHW Architects (yes Jim Jones, they're a Halifax-based company):




And the firm that designed the vodafone arena was probably australian which had the Australian velodrome designer Ron Webb construct the velodrome. That building was opened in 2000 but for some reason it was not good enough and one of the two other outdoor velodromes in melbourne had to be had to be torn down in 2002 to make way for a Schuermann Velodrome. Seems to me that there was sometype of debate between the hosts and the federation to have two 50 million dollar buildings build for the same event track cycling in the span of 5 years. Then the committee for the 2006 CWG's had to pay Vodafone to release the building for naming rights during the games to not spoil the sponsorship from Australia phone company Telstra. So you have to ask with one of the venues that was constructed named the vodafone arena why vodafone a much larger presence in cellphones in the commonwealth didnt pay the 20 million telstra paid for that sponsorship.Vodafone certainly spends the money on micheal schuemaker,ferrari and formula one. The reason is Vodafone doesnt see any value in a commonwealth games even if their name is on one of the buidlings used in melbourne.That is the same reason not one retailer would take CWG merchantdize in manchester. NOT ONE.

AH the games european sports bodies play with tax dollars of other peoples tresuries. When The CWG's people have over 100 million dollars in advance they tend to call the shots and put the screws to you. Melbourne awarded the games in 1999 , open a brand new velodrome in 2000 and then have to open a second indoor velodrome three years later. The Fina world aquatic championships in edmonton 2001 and then we were the victims of more european BS. Monteal not learning the lesson AGAIN for the third time in 2005.
Fina pulled the very same thing for the world Aquatics championships in montreal last year 2005 and the city lost 4.75 million on the event with no construction of facilities.

The Paul Martin Government provided 16 million with a hard cap on funding as did the the Province of Quebec.

Yes renderings of stadiums that dont exist will hold off the costs for halifax against a nigeria suitor with IOC contractor designed and constructed facilities in place right now. I am sure the african commonwealth nations would be thinking Yah Halifax nova scotia with autocad rendering over Abuja inwhich we were in a real stadium for the 2003 all african games. I think I will vote for the guys without the stadium LOLOLOLOL. Oh and by the way it seems the Nigerians are getting very seroius about the efford now. They are in talks with none other than Ron Walker the Chair of the Melbourne CWG's.
With Glasgow having a former UK olympic association president we have no one of that calibre. Maybe we should ask for calgary people to step in if it is not too late after saying it was sour grapes that wasa behind the decision by calgary to pull out of the domestic biding LOLOLOL. Or better yet some people who were around the montreal games.

Oh and by the way the bottom picture is not the stadium in shannon park. It is the waterfront arena Freddie Mac was proposing to replace the metro centre around the pier 21 area behind the old hotel nova scotia/via train station. Notice the carnival cruiseship funnel in the background of the
rendering. With all that lovely brick work you would think Shaw would be a sposnor for goods in kind or atleast be in the starting bid stages as a sponsor??? Alass No Imp , no Clearwater foods and no Shaw Brick . Do the major metro owned business faer what is to come for increased taxes if they happen to get behind this???? Probably. Or are they feeling the pain for the tax increases from the creation ot the HRM.


jim jones

These are the renderings for the 2010 bid.
Crap, I'll edit my post.

I don't think the temperature would be that much of an issue. No colder than the any other outdoor venue in Canada? I've been to some pretty chilly Stampeders games at McMahon stadium in Calgary.

Plus the general usage of this place would be summer/spring/fall, would it not? I'm not sure.

Plus the general usage of this place would be summer/spring/fall, would it not? I'm not sure.

If you've ever gone down to the Halifax waterfront anytime other than during a heat wave in midsummer, it's always 10 degrees colder there than a few blocks away. The ocean is a powerful airconditioner that you cannot turn off.

Crap, I'll edit my post.

hey penhorn thats ok because basically the top renderings are the site in shannon park. that is evident. I can't imagine they would do a redesign from one bid to the other unless the europeans told them too.
jim jones

I don't think the temperature would be that much of an issue. No colder than the any other outdoor venue in Canada? I've been to some pretty chilly Stampeders games at McMahon stadium in Calgary.

Plus the general usage of this place would be summer/spring/fall, would it not? I'm not sure.

Ya, I don't think the temperature thing would matter to much either.

If you've ever gone down to the Halifax waterfront anytime other than during a heat wave in midsummer, it's always 10 degrees colder there than a few blocks away. The ocean is a powerful airconditioner that you cannot turn off.
Well I'm not pretending to be a meteorologist or even that I can spell the word but... Depending on where the winds/jet streams are coming from (often the south), the waterfront can be warmer. I often see on the weather report that the inland areas are the colder ones. I guess it can go either way. Not a big deal.

In any case, I think the novelty of having the facility up on the awesome waterfront would overcome small differences in weather.

Though another issue is the ugly candy-cane smoke stacks at Tuft's Cove that'll likely be in plain view. I don't even think they could be re-painted or made to look better in any way. I think they look like that so that airplanes won't fly into them. Wouldn't mind seeing that plant relocated but I suppose it's not feasible right now... Ah well

Well I'm not pretending to be a meteorologist or even that I can spell the word but... Depending on where the winds/jet streams are coming from (often the south), the waterfront can be warmer. I often see on the weather report that the inland areas are the colder ones. I guess it can go either way. Not a big deal.

In any case, I think the novelty of having the facility up on the awesome waterfront would overcome small differences in weather.

Though another issue is the ugly candy-cane smoke stacks at Tuft's Cove that'll likely be in plain view. I don't even think they could be re-painted or made to look better in any way. I think they look like that so that airplanes won't fly into them. Wouldn't mind seeing that plant relocated but I suppose it's not feasible right now... Ah well

Yeah they should get rid of the ugly smoke stacks in metro and build onto the Trenton power plant in Pictou county which was built to meet the provinces demand for power. Then instead of Dartmouth getting 5 million a year in taxes then trenton could get that money. Right now trenton doesnt get a single dime for a larger power plant burning dirty old coal. We could then hold the province for hostage and turn the power off every ten minutes during the opening ceremonies of the commonwealth games . that would be the most killer light show of any games ever held.
LOLOLOLOLOLLO. Hey and while we are at it why not get northeast pipelines to put a line into trenton like metro bitched and complained about ,"mommie we need to get the gas because we are a spoiled brat named halifax" Those evil investors had to pay 18 million for the laterial to a non-market paying canadain dollars. You first burn cleaner bunk c and then get an 18 million dollar 60 mile laterial as a blackmailed gift to change over to gas while 6 miles away from the Trenton Plant is the mainline to the market that counts New England. Aw the price we pay to keep Cape Breton coal mines in a market to provide metro with power to both cape breton and metro's benefit and our great inconvince.

LOLOLOLOLO

Jim Jones

^ Well Metro and Cape Breton make up 50% or more of the province's population... would you rather that they were inconvenienced and Trenton got everything that it wanted?

Yeah they should get rid of the ugly smoke stacks in metro and build onto the Trenton power plant in Pictou county which was built to meet the provinces demand for power. Then instead of Dartmouth getting 5 million a year in taxes then trenton could get that money. Right now trenton doesnt get a single dime for a larger power plant burning dirty old coal. We could then hold the province for hostage and turn the power off every ten minutes during the opening ceremonies of the commonwealth games . that would be the most killer light show of any games ever held.
LOLOLOLOLOLLO. Hey and while we are at it why not get northeast pipelines to put a line into trenton like metro bitched and complained about ,"mommie we need to get the gas because we are a spoiled brat named halifax" Those evil investors had to pay 18 million for the laterial to a non-market paying canadain dollars. You first burn cleaner bunk c and then get an 18 million dollar 60 mile laterial as a blackmailed gift to change over to gas while 6 miles away from the Trenton Plant is the mainline to the market that counts New England. Aw the price we pay to keep Cape Breton coal mines in a market to provide metro with power to both cape breton and metro's benefit and our great inconvince.

LOLOLOLOLO

Jim Jones

They built the pipeline to metro because that is where the market is for natural gas dumb ass.

They built the pipeline to metro because that is where the market is for natural gas dumb ass.

Ah no the enfant known as halifax cried and moaned putting 18 million dollars of expense to the project for northeast pipelines. Do you have gas in your house? Lines in the Hrm are harder to lay then colchester, cumberland and pictou counties simply because there is clay and soft soils here The HRM has mostly granite and other hard rocks for a soil subtrates.Northeast pipelines would not even do halifax or any of nova scotia for that matter because greenfield gas development is not their agenda. shipping gas to established markets like boston is.
The wise bureaucrates of the provincial Government planted their feet firmly in their mouths with Sempra Gas Telling Sempra how pipe was to be laid in nova scotia and how conditions were so much different climatically from southern california. Sure that is true but what some people of very questionable intelligence in the provincial offices don t seem to understand is that sempra is a fortune 500 company that commonly come in the top 50 list for corporations that give back to the community in all the places they do business. Places that climatically are more difficult then nova scotia. North Dakota, Peru, Chile and ironically Bangor Maine nd a host of others that bill bobs in the Halifax offices cant seem to grasp. The franchise is turned over to heritage gas a sub company of the sask gas or the sask. provincial government.
The condition laid on the Provincial government for Gas distribution the lone socialist crown company suitor is to lay the line the exact same way Sempra does or how the entire industry does.
Questioning a fortune 500 company on engineering with that same company being the second largest gas provider for homes,business and industry in the western hemisphere shows the extent of idiots in some offices of the provinical government. Yes trading a fortune 500 company in the entire world for a company that might in the top 100 in canada seems like a good idea.
Kinda like comparing the commonwealth games to the olympics.

Oh and PS. while they are digging up the streets for the gas lines perhaps they can do a little sewer repair that is badly needed to the tune of 600 million dollars by the the city engineer.

Cant wait to see the complaints about taxes after a sewer systems and the commonwealth games . Considering the op ed piece about the soccer greens the other day in the halifax herald about the increase in gasoline prices to mow the soccer greens maybe the citizens of the HRM should realise There is no free lunch.

jim jones

^ Well Metro and Cape Breton make up 50% or more of the province's population... would you rather that they were inconvenienced and Trenton got everything that it wanted?

Ah no Trenton just wants what Dartmouth got for 30 plus years. 5 million a year in commerical taxes but not retroactive. It is a bigger plant then tuffs cove burning higher sulfur coal then off shore gas or venesulan bunker c crude. What if we reverseed the situation wouldn t halifax and cape breton be screeming bloody blue murder????

People talk about how unfair and unjustice calgary or victoria or edmonton have winter games, commonwealth games and stadiums. Start thinking about what people in rural nova scotia have to put up with from the two constantly bickering brats or cape breton and the HRM.

That type of thinking would have new glasgow saying Gee we need a metro centre. The new glasgow stadium is a building from the 1940's and it was funding from the community with the steel donated by RB cameron Sr. His son is on the sponsor list for teh commonwealth games committee.

There was a need and we did it ourselves. Halifax and the saga of arenas is that you had a Halifax forum and then you got the metro centre. Ok so you need the increased capacity. Tear down the Forum so you dont have a competeing building taking away revenue from the new place . This weekend was a perfect example with the ultimate fights. The atlantic winter fair needed a new home so exhibition park was created. So how you have three places competting with each other funded by the taxpayers and all losing money in the halifax pennisula. Then you add a forth with the dartmouth sportplex. odd that both the psortplex and exhibition park are not in the plans for the commonwealth games.

jim jones

the Stadium talk may be a moot point without a tenant. Seems Jean Charest is going to be taking the revenues from the 19 cent a pack cigrette tax in quebec to pay off the montreal olympics by this summer (30 years after the crime) and invest the funds into facilites around quebec city to the tune of 100 milion a year for the next 5 years. The objective is to have Quebec city host the 2022 winter olympics. With the need for an outdoor stadium for opening and closing ceremonies look for a CFL football stadium to come first as they would then have a tenant for that building way before a ski jump of bobsled run. NHL hockey is certianly out and the Quebec Colusee is 15000 plus seats anyways.
With Ottawa out for this years season Quebec City might pick up the franchise.
but if Ottawa re-enters and Quebec City enters the league as well then there will probably not be a franchise in Halifax because with 5 teams in the eastern division matching the western division the league will have ease in scheduling it has always wanted. The other advantage for the league with quebec in compared to halifax is the resparking of the quebec/montreal rivalry that was shown at the gates of the quebec nordic and the montreal canadians when ever those teams played. Ease of travel compared for both fans and teams would be a major selling point for quebec city. Fans could get on the VIa Rail high speed corridor trains that run from quebec city to windsor everyday and without having to take their cars for hamilton,toronto, montreal and quebec city games. A stadium and franchise for Quebec could be done in very short order with 100 million dollars in play per year for the next 5 years.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/road_to_2010/story.html?id=738b5aee-a102-4a0e-a440-e89d0080ac41
I have said it before a logical stadium plan like Knoxville, Tennessee's Neyland stadium would have avoided this problem while quebec was still in a debt position with the montreal games . Now Quebec has the money without asking the FEDs.
The canada games in 1969 was a lost opportunity to increase capacity
at huskie stadium and with the Neyland plan The commonwealth games could have been won by Halifax in 1994 while it was still in the realm of being held in college campus stadiums
If this comes to pass then there is absolutely no need for a stadium as there will be no tenant and the commonwealth games will be a huge debt situation.
Even a longshot of the cfl expanding to 12 teams will probably never happen with vancouver in a situation of subsidizing the team to have a tennant in a domed stadium. Victoria is not going to enter as they dont have a stadium even post commonwealth games . They used a 5000 seat grandstand and 30000 temporary seats. The stadium construction/commowealth games nighmare may be indeed over for the people of nova scotia froma very unlikely source a tax of cigarettes imposed to deal with the biggest summer sports disaster in the history of modern games.
Jim jones

Ah no the enfant known as halifax cried and moaned putting 18 million dollars of expense to the project for northeast pipelines. Do you have gas in your house? Lines in the Hrm are harder to lay then colchester, cumberland and pictou counties simply because there is clay and soft soils here The HRM has mostly granite and other hard rocks for a soil subtrates.Northeast pipelines would not even do halifax or any of nova scotia for that matter because greenfield gas development is not their agenda. shipping gas to established markets like boston is.
The wise bureaucrates of the provincial Government planted their feet firmly in their mouths with Sempra Gas Telling Sempra how pipe was to be laid in nova scotia and how conditions were so much different climatically from southern california. Sure that is true but what some people of very questionable intelligence in the provincial offices don t seem to understand is that sempra is a fortune 500 company that commonly come in the top 50 list for corporations that give back to the community in all the places they do business. Places that climatically are more difficult then nova scotia. North Dakota, Peru, Chile and ironically Bangor Maine nd a host of others that bill bobs in the Halifax offices cant seem to grasp. The franchise is turned over to heritage gas a sub company of the sask gas or the sask. provincial government.
The condition laid on the Provincial government for Gas distribution the lone socialist crown company suitor is to lay the line the exact same way Sempra does or how the entire industry does.
Questioning a fortune 500 company on engineering with that same company being the second largest gas provider for homes,business and industry in the western hemisphere shows the extent of idiots in some offices of the provinical government. Yes trading a fortune 500 company in the entire world for a company that might in the top 100 in canada seems like a good idea.
Kinda like comparing the commonwealth games to the olympics.

Oh and PS. while they are digging up the streets for the gas lines perhaps they can do a little sewer repair that is badly needed to the tune of 600 million dollars by the the city engineer.

Cant wait to see the complaints about taxes after a sewer systems and the commonwealth games . Considering the op ed piece about the soccer greens the other day in the halifax herald about the increase in gasoline prices to mow the soccer greens maybe the citizens of the HRM should realise There is no free lunch.

jim jones



Halifax has 45% of the provinces population of course their going to build a pipeline to Halifax. No gas distribution company would come to the province without Halifax. Besides didn't sempra pay for it so waht does it matter to you.

Halifax has 45% of the provinces population of course their going to build a pipeline to Halifax. No gas distribution company would come to the province without Halifax. Besides didn't sempra pay for it so waht does it matter to you.

What matters to me is sending the wrong message to a fortune 500 company. Do you know how many fortune 500 companies are from canada . ZERO
the netherlands have more then us in that department with Philips Electronics and Shell Dutch Petroleum.
You dont understand what northeast pipeline is or why the project was constructed in the first place.Northeast pipeline has a very simple misson get the product to the united states for the investors of the offshore EXXON /Mobil. I dont even think Portland Maine with a population of halifax has a laterial and they could pay american dollars and the laterial being shorter then Halifax. 6 million customers are in boston alone and they have the instant market because they have used western and gulf of mexico gas for decades. Exporting gas to the United States is has more value then keeping it here because of the market demand and the american dollars they pay for the product. It would be a decade atleast for a greenfield area like hlaifax or nova scotia turns a profit in the order that a fully serviced for gas area like new negland and new york. Those gas royalties made it possible to finally see budget surplus thanks to John Hamm and Danny Williams holding the fire to paul martins feet.

jim jones

the Stadium talk may be a moot point without a tenant. Seems Jean Charest is going to be taking the revenues from the 19 cent a pack cigrette tax in quebec to pay off the montreal olympics by this summer (30 years after the crime) and invest the funds into facilites around quebec city to the tune of 100 milion a year for the next 5 years. The objective is to have Quebec city host the 2022 winter olympics. With the need for an outdoor stadium for opening and closing ceremonies look for a CFL football stadium to come first as they would then have a tenant for that building way before a ski jump of bobsled run. NHL hockey is certianly out and the Quebec Colusee is 15000 plus seats anyways.
With Ottawa out for this years season Quebec City might pick up the franchise.
but if Ottawa re-enters and Quebec City enters the league as well then there will probably not be a franchise in Halifax because with 5 teams in the eastern division matching the western division the league will have ease in scheduling it has always wanted. The other advantage for the league with quebec in compared to halifax is the resparking of the quebec/montreal rivalry that was shown at the gates of the quebec nordic and the montreal canadians when ever those teams played. Ease of travel compared for both fans and teams would be a major selling point for quebec city. Fans could get on the VIa Rail high speed corridor trains that run from quebec city to windsor everyday and without having to take their cars for hamilton,toronto, montreal and quebec city games. A stadium and franchise for Quebec could be done in very short order with 100 million dollars in play per year for the next 5 years.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/...40-e89d0080ac41
I have said it before a logical stadium plan like Knoxville, Tennessee's Neyland stadium would have avoided this problem while quebec was still in a debt position with the montreal games . Now Quebec has the money without asking the FEDs.
The canada games in 1969 was a lost opportunity to increase capacity
at huskie stadium and with the Neyland plan The commonwealth games could have been won by Halifax in 1994 while it was still in the realm of being held in college campus stadiums
If this comes to pass then there is absolutely no need for a stadium as there will be no tenant and the commonwealth games will be a huge debt situation.
Even a longshot of the cfl expanding to 12 teams will probably never happen with vancouver in a situation of subsidizing the team to have a tennant in a domed stadium. Victoria is not going to enter as they dont have a stadium even post commonwealth games . They used a 5000 seat grandstand and 30000 temporary seats. The stadium construction/commowealth games nighmare may be indeed over for the people of nova scotia from a very unlikely source a tax of cigarettes imposed to deal with the biggest summer sports disaster in the history of modern games.
Jim jones

Halifax has 45% of the provinces population of course their going to build a pipeline to Halifax. No gas distribution company would come to the province without Halifax. Besides didn't sempra pay for it so waht does it matter to you.


well lets see here
according to the last census
The 2001 Census provides interesting information about Halifax (Regional Municipality), including the following:

* Halifax had a population of 359,111 in 2001, compared with 342, 851 in 1996, an increase of 4.7%.
* The median age of the population was 36.6 years in 2001.
* The average earnings of a full-time employee who had worked a full year were $41,509.
* While 132,090 people rode a car, truck or van to work, 16,905 used public transit, 19,075 people walked or bicycled.
* There were 100,650 families in Halifax in 2001; 71,390 were married-couple families and 16,710 were lone-parent families.
* There were 144,410 occupied private dwellings, with an average value of $134,286.
so right from the pages of the HRM website 17 955 people would have been added making the total 377,066 that is with a 5 percent growth rate not 4.7 %. 168,070 people in metro used every means of transportation avialable to get to work not 200,000 or even 250,000 . The growth rate from the 1996 census to the 2001 census would just cover half the number needed to make the difference between 168,070 and 200,000 working persons in the HRM. I know someone is going to say 32,000 people or about 8 percent of the population work in their basements and never see the light of day LOLOOLOLOL. 32,000 people is about what sobeys employs in the martime region.
There is no 400,000 people in metro but it could be 23,000 short. The growth rate would have to be 15 percent between census' and that is only being experienced in alberta. Using the words close ,nearly and about does not mean there is . If you were to go by the 5.6 percent unemployment the figures dont add up between the the most recent census figures, growth between census' and the claim of 200,000 to 250,000 people work in halifax.

heres some spin for you Montreal had an operational surplus of 90 million dollars for the operations of the games. The games cost 1.5 billlion dollars to stage in capital costs. Capital costs are things like building venues and infrastructure upgrades to transportation systems to host a games.
90 million dollars generated for 1.5 billion in investment is very poor return.

jim jones

well lets see here
according to the last census
The 2001 Census provides interesting information about Halifax (Regional Municipality), including the following:

* Halifax had a population of 359,111 in 2001, compared with 342, 851 in 1996, an increase of 4.7%.
* The median age of the population was 36.6 years in 2001.
* The average earnings of a full-time employee who had worked a full year were $41,509.
* While 132,090 people rode a car, truck or van to work, 16,905 used public transit, 19,075 people walked or bicycled.
* There were 100,650 families in Halifax in 2001; 71,390 were married-couple families and 16,710 were lone-parent families.
* There were 144,410 occupied private dwellings, with an average value of $134,286.
so right from the pages of the HRM website 17 955 people would have been added making the total 377,066 that is with a 5 percent growth rate not 4.7 %. 168,070 people in metro used every means of transportation avialable to get to work not 200,000 or even 250,000 . The growth rate from the 1996 census to the 2001 census would just cover half the number needed to make the difference between 168,070 and 200,000 working persons in the HRM. I know someone is going to say 32,000 people or about 8 percent of the population work in their basements and never see the light of day LOLOOLOLOL. 32,000 people is about what sobeys employs in the martime region.
There is no 400,000 people in metro but it could be 23,000 short. The growth rate would have to be 15 percent between census' and that is only being experienced in alberta. Using the words close ,nearly and about does not mean there is . If you were to go by the 5.6 percent unemployment the figures dont add up between the the most recent census figures, growth between census' and the claim of 200,000 to 250,000 people work in halifax.

heres some spin for you Montreal had an operational surplus of 90 million dollars for the operations of the games. The games cost 1.5 billlion dollars to stage in capital costs. Capital costs are things like building venues and infrastructure upgrades to transportation systems to host a games.
90 million dollars generated for 1.5 billion in investment is very poor return.

jim jones


2005 populataion figures for metro Halifax is 381,000 getting close to 400,000. Predictions for growth in the next 20 years is that Halifax will gain 100,000 people.

By 2014 halifax should have well over 400,000.

2005 populataion figures for metro Halifax is 381,000 getting close to 400,000. Predictions for growth in the next 20 years is that Halifax will gain 100,000 people.

By 2014 halifax should have well over 400,000.


There were 219,000 jobs in Halifax in 2005 according to Greater Halifax Patnership.

in what field? consider this : I cannot Remember where but I know a fish plant will be closing out there soon and a lot of people will be out of work. It is possible they would move to Halifax. gee , I would . that means new housing starts , more Jobs or possibly less depending how you look at it. Rentals might disapear and there may be need for another Tower of appartments to be built .

There a lot of jobs in I.T, biotech,construction, service, tele-communications

2005 populataion figures for metro Halifax is 381,000 getting close to 400,000. Predictions for growth in the next 20 years is that Halifax will gain 100,000 people.

By 2014 halifax should have well over 400,000.


man you can even do math what is 100,000 divided into 20 years. it is 5000 people a year. so in your predictions did you account for the massive tax burden slowing down growth or would you foresee hants county being annexed into the fools circus named the HRM.
jim jones

There were 219,000 jobs in Halifax in 2005 according to Greater Halifax Patnership.

MAN you can even read either the stats I posted were from the HRM government website and those were Stat canada figures of the last census.Your 40,000 jobs to long even with the same ammount of growth included from the last census. Gosh maybe you could start saying that the games will cost a billion and they actually cost what the committees last figure was.
I know one industry that seems to be in play that does not have 40,000 people travelling by any means to work . Grow op pot operations. LOLOLOLOLOL.

jim jones

man you can even do math what is 100,000 divided into 20 years. it is 5000 people a year. so in your predictions did you account for the massive tax burden slowing down growth or would you foresee hants county being annexed into the fools circus named the HRM.
jim jones

Those arent his predictions, that is the official prediction for growth in Halifax. Predictions are for growth to remain constant over the next 20 years.

MAN you can even read either the stats I posted were from the HRM government website and those were Stat canada figures of the last census.Your 40,000 jobs to long even with the same ammount of growth included from the last census. Gosh maybe you could start saying that the games will cost a billion and they actually cost what the committees last figure was.
I know one industry that seems to be in play that does not have 40,000 people travelling by any means to work . Grow op pot operations. LOLOLOLOLOL.

jim jones


Those are the true figures dumb-ass. Look it up if you want to. The last census was done in 2001. You don't think the population has grown since then. If you look at the statscan 2005 population figures for 2005 its 381,000. The figures for jobs are also correct. Stop being such as jackass.

man you can even do math what is 100,000 divided into 20 years. it is 5000 people a year. so in your predictions did you account for the massive tax burden slowing down growth or would you foresee hants county being annexed into the fools circus named the HRM.
jim jones


5000 growth year is perfectly reasonable. It has been between 3000-4000 a year for the past decade. These are not my prodictions they are in the new HRM development plan. So stop being such a know it all becouse you obvoiusly know shit.

Oh ya, if we do get the CWG's expect those figures the rise significantly.

Those arent his predictions, that is the official prediction for growth in Halifax. Predictions are for growth to remain constant over the next 20 years.

Official from where a Halfiax Consultant or Chamber of Commerce Group ??????
168,070 was the STATS CANADA figure in 2001 for people using transportation to get to work. So if 100,000 people were added over 20 years starting in 2001 then you would be looking at 193,070 people now having to use transportation of every type to get to work TOTAL if every single person in that growth prediction worked EVERY SINGLE person. That is still over 25,000 short of the 219,000 figure. The population growth was 4.7 percent for the ENTIRE 5 year prior from 1996 to 2001 not 4.7 % per year. The population growth is less then one percent per year which is fine because if you have 350,000 people year one then the next year you have 353,500 year because of 3,500 being added year two and 359,035 the third with the adddition of 3,535. The increase goes up like a billion dollars owned and having an interest rate of 7 percent per year except we are dealing with a mere one percent rate of growth that will not all be taxpayers. If taxation goes up because of increased captial and operational expenses in the city then the rate of growth will be discouraged because it is harder for landlords to find renters who can cover the tax bill. The same goes for the real estate market and commerical property.
Hants county with the communities of elmsdale and lantz will benefit and have in the recent years.

Man now I know why all the money from Sobeys Stores is counted in Stellarton LOLOLOLOLOL. Oh and by the way Halifax is 40 percent of the provinces population not 45 as was stated here. as for the economic engine of the area Halifax accounts for 15 percent of the population of Atlantic Canada. With the decisions made in other centres like Saint john, Stellarton Oxford , Truro, Antigonish and Florenceville NB for the top companies including the business interests in metro controlled in the boonies Halifax has a minimal consumer market but not much voice in business. Groceries in New Glasgow cost more then halifax because of a much higher competitve market despite the fact the sobeys warehouse that services Halifax is in Stellarton.So really we build the Sobeys to compete in Halifax from the extra money we pay here.

jim jones

Those are the true figures dumb-ass. Look it up if you want to. The last census was done in 2001. You don't think the population has grown since then. If you look at the statscan 2005 population figures for 2005 its 381,000. The figures for jobs are also correct. Stop being such as jackass.
The stats I posted are stats canada . Look stop using the idiot childish language of Dumb ass . I have yet to us that and IT shows you must be a teenage idiot sniffing glue in your parents basement.

Oh ya, if we do get the CWG's expect those figures the rise significantly.
Yeah when you are out on your own paying a billion dollars the population will go in reverse and relocate where they can afford to live.

Official from where a Halfiax Consultant or Chamber of Commerce Group ??????
168,070 was the STATS CANADA figure in 2001 for people using transportation to get to work. So if 100,000 people were added over 20 years starting in 2001 then you would be looking at 193,070 people now having to use transportation of every type to get to work TOTAL if every single person in that growth prediction worked EVERY SINGLE person. That is still over 25,000 short of the 219,000 figure. The population growth was 4.7 percent for the ENTIRE 5 year prior from 1996 to 2001 not 4.7 % per year. The population growth is less then one percent per year which is fine because if you have 350,000 people year one then the next year you have 353,500 year because of 3,500 being added year two and 359,035 the third with the adddition of 3,535. The increase goes up like a billion dollars owned and having an interest rate of 7 percent per year except we are dealing with a mere one percent rate of growth that will not all be taxpayers. If taxation goes up because of increased captial and operational expenses in the city then the rate of growth will be discouraged because it is harder for landlords to find renters who can cover the tax bill. The same goes for the real estate market and commerical property.
Hants county with the communities of elmsdale and lantz will benefit and have in the recent years.

Man now I know why all the money from Sobeys Stores is counted in Stellarton LOLOLOLOLOL. Oh and by the way Halifax is 40 percent of the provinces population not 45 as was stated here. as for the economic engine of the area Halifax accounts for 15 percent of the population of Atlantic Canada. With the decisions made in other centres like Saint john, Stellarton Oxford , Truro, Antigonish and Florenceville NB for the top companies including the business interests in metro controlled in the boonies Halifax has a minimal consumer market but not much voice in business. Groceries in New Glasgow cost more then halifax because of a much higher competitve market despite the fact the sobeys warehouse that services Halifax is in Stellarton.So really we build the Sobeys to compete in Halifax from the extra money we pay here.

jim jones


Ya, well if those are 2001 figures and this what 2006. These figures for 2005 are more than 200,000 jobs with a population 381,000 you can't dispute that.

Yeah when you are out on your own paying a billion dollars the population will go in reverse and relocate where they can afford to live.


Ok buddy whatever! :nuts:

wow , so never mind ... :moods:

Ya, well if those are 2001 figures and this what 2006. These figures for 2005 are more than 200,000 jobs with a population 381,000 you can't dispute that.

on one hand it is 219,000 jobs on the another 250,000 jobs and then over 200,000 jobs
Do the math less then 200,000 if 5000 people move into halifax each year for 5 years starting from 2001 and every single one of those people of 25,000 worked.

Stats Canada census does not lie but estimates can be off and even if 5000 people did move per year to the hrm your still over 25,000 short or about 12 percent.

It is kind of like the commonwealth games committee . August 9th 2005 it is reported that the games will cost 500 million, then in january it is estimated to cost between 750 and 785 million dollars. Then two months ago Scott Logan starts to blame the media for "inventing the 500 million dollar figure"
Hello the committee you were not even on presented the estimate to the HRM council August 9 th 2005.

Now the 750 million is not even in the picture and it is a hard 785 million dollars.
Gee why not use Ottawa's estimate of 900 million because you look very foolish with your pants down and your hands out to stephen harper who can read the paper delievered to stornaway on the fall of 2005 the ottawa citizen that laid out the ottawa estimate and the newspaper that is delivered to your constituency office in calgary west that said the city of calgary abandoned the CWG's bid because there are no financial benefits for calgary.

Jim jones

* Halifax had a population of 359,111 in 2001, compared with 342, 851 in 1996, an increase of 4.7%.
* The median age of the population was 36.6 years in 2001.
* The average earnings of a full-time employee who had worked a full year were $41,509.
* While 132,090 people rode a car, truck or van to work, 16,905 used public transit, 19,075 people walked or bicycled.
* There were 100,650 families in Halifax in 2001; 71,390 were married-couple families and 16,710 were lone-parent families.
* There were 144,410 occupied private dwellings, with an average value of $134,286.
so right from the pages of the HRM website 17 955 people would have been added making the total 377,066 that is with a 5 percent growth rate not 4.7 %. 168,070 people in metro used every means of transportation avialable to get to work not 200,000 or even 250,000 .


377,066 with the growth rate for the 1996 to 2001 time period and that is actually increasing the growth from 4.7 to an even 5 percent. with the 5000 person per year theory adding those people as 100 percent workers you come up with 193,070 people in the work force . IF everyone of those people work realisitcally you are looking at half 25,000 or 12,500 added making the total 180,570. The first figure you are off by 3 percent the second figure you are off by 10 percent if it in dead on even 200,000 workers.

If you put that against the latest statement of self denial for the estimate for the cost of the commonwealth games by the hlaifax commiteee 3 percent of 785 million is 23.5 million and ten percent is 78.5 million.

jim jones

* Halifax had a population of 359,111 in 2001, compared with 342, 851 in 1996, an increase of 4.7%.
* The median age of the population was 36.6 years in 2001.
* The average earnings of a full-time employee who had worked a full year were $41,509.
* While 132,090 people rode a car, truck or van to work, 16,905 used public transit, 19,075 people walked or bicycled.
* There were 100,650 families in Halifax in 2001; 71,390 were married-couple families and 16,710 were lone-parent families.
* There were 144,410 occupied private dwellings, with an average value of $134,286.
so right from the pages of the HRM website 17 955 people would have been added making the total 377,066 that is with a 5 percent growth rate not 4.7 %. 168,070 people in metro used every means of transportation avialable to get to work not 200,000 or even 250,000 .


377,066 with the growth rate for the 1996 to 2001 time period and that is actually increasing the growth from 4.7 to an even 5 percent. with the 5000 person per year theory adding those people as 100 percent workers you come up with 193,070 people in the work force . IF everyone of those people work realisitcally you are looking at half 25,000 or 12,500 added making the total 180,570. The first figure you are off by 3 percent the second figure you are off by 10 percent if it in dead on even 200,000 workers.

If you put that against the latest statement of self denial for the estimate for the cost of the commonwealth games by the hlaifax commiteee 3 percent of 785 million is 23.5 million and ten percent is 78.5 million.

jim jones


So what are you saying you know more than statscan. Their wrong and you're right. Maybe people should be going to you for stats instead of statscan since you know so much. Give me a break...wise up will ya!

no what I am saying is you have no figures at all with the exception of a consultants cheerleading report. The greater halifax partnerships figures jive with the city of HRM's for development numbers. There is no definative numbers for 2005 by stats canada that is why they are having their 5 year census this month.
MAN oh Man
and just a great piece of information for you read this right from the HRM
http://www.halifax.ca/planning/trends/sld012.htm
The trend has been the decreasing in the growth of job force numbers from 1971 to 1996. With that trend the job growth rate increase would be declining while the population increases. In other words fewer taxpayers. If you are going by the best case estimate of 5 percent you a still come 25,000 people short of your theory. Doubtful that the trend would revise with a 25 year history of the first 10 going from 33,000 jobs added 1971 to 1981, 21,000 jobs added 1981 to 1991 and finally about 3500 for job growth being added from 1991 to 1996 or about 32 percent of the pervoius decade and 20 percent growth in job number comparing 1991-1996 to the 1971-1981 period. I cannot see it going bellow 3500 for the last 5 years but if it even doubled you are about 30,000 short of 200,000 and certainly 49,000 or the entire job growth that was stated that was stated here. 1971 to 1981 the best period for metro in the last 40 years was 5 times the growth in job numbers. 203,000 is pure fantasy on the part of the lesser halifax partnership.
This the type of theory that got enron into trouble. Predicting things that are not happening or fly in the face of logic.

jim jones

no what I am saying is you have no figures at all with the exception of a consultants cheerleading report. The greater halifax partnerships figures jive with the city of HRM's for development numbers. There is no definative numbers for 2005 by stats canada that is why they are having their 5 year census this month.
MAN oh Man
and just a great piece of information for you read this right from the HRM
http://www.halifax.ca/planning/trends/sld012.htm
The trend has been the decreasing in the growth of job force numbers from 1971 to 1996. With that trend the job growth rate increase would be declining while the population increases. In other words fewer taxpayers. If you are going by the best case estimate of 5 percent you a still come 25,000 people short of your theory. Doubtful that the trend would revise with a 25 year history of the first 10 going from 33,000 jobs added 1971 to 1981, 21,000 jobs added 1981 to 1991 and finally about 3500 for job growth being added from 1991 to 1996 or about 32 percent of the pervoius decade and 20 percent growth in job number comparing 1991-1996 to the 1971-1981 period. I cannot see it going bellow 3500 for the last 5 years but if it even doubled you are about 30,000 short of 200,000 and certainly 49,000 or the entire job growth that was stated that was stated here. 1971 to 1981 the best period for metro in the last 40 years was 5 times the growth in job numbers. 203,000 is pure fantasy on the part of the lesser halifax partnership.
This the type of theory that got enron into trouble. Predicting things that are not happening or fly in the face of logic.

jim jones


No what I'm saying is they are directly from the statscan website and not the Greater Haifax Partnership.

As for the predictions, they are from professionals. Credible people who know what they are a talking about.

People can enter and leave the workforce at any time. They are considered "in the workforce" if they are employed or are seeking employment, and are not otherwise (only people looking for a job count towards the unemployment rate).

The workforce has been growing faster than the population here for a long time because a progressively larger fraction of the population has become employed or has been looking for work. Job creation numbers have been decent on the whole and at times very high since the late 90's.

As for the predictions, they are from professionals. Credible people who know what they are a talking about.


and they are just that predictions not actual numbers. Predictions are really prropaganda. So how creditable are their numbers when they dont even match the HRM. IN the figures for the HRM who actually issue the building permits you have a much lower number then the lesser halifax partnership. The tourism lobby of the world predicted that tourism worldwide would be the largest industry by 2000 . The problem is they forget that tourism depends on transportation and fuel for that transportation. Tourism also depends on advertizement. Advertizement, Entertainment, construction ,real estate, Argiculture are all computers are all bigger then toruism and willl always be. More money is spent on advertizing consumer products that tourism. Tourism was said to be a 1 billion industry and the largest in nova scotia a couple of years back . Well First requiring the counting of EVERY person that takes lodging in nova scotia regardless of the purpose of the visit has the intent of making the business look bigger then the actually facts. It is so bad that if you had a travel trailer in a local park on the shore and live down the road a mile that it was counted as a tourist visit EACH and EVERYday. Even with the total lie for tourism They fail; to understand 120 million US dollars worth of craft paper produces runs out of the neehah mill month and is shipped to Philadelphia. EVERY single month 12 months a year for a total of 1.4 billion a year. That is one of three paper mills in the province. OH and by the way Scott, Kimberly Clark and finally Neehah do use the port of Halifax they built their own road to sheet harbour and build their own dock .

As far as the professionals they are in it to make money from their masters a special interest group. You are argueing a lobby groups quesses against STATS Can and the figrues of the HRM itself.

The thing is consultants always try to round a number upwards to something the public can grasp better or go WOW. 200,000 or We are over 200,000 sounds better then 199,999 . If that was the actual number then yuo cant say 200,000 with one person short. With the statement of people looking for work being in the work force then if port hawkesbury has 1000 men on strike at stora and 500 of them now have work in alberta until the strike is over are they in clagarys work force and port hawkesbury??? That is like saying the bums on spring garden road are in the wrok force panhandling. If the numbers dont match they parse their words with "estimates or predictions". It is the same speak you here could out of politicians mouths.

The problem here is you take the words as gospel just like the emotion behind a stadium or a commonwealth games without thinking of the history of these and other events. The evidence is all around you here on the net you just choose to close your eyes.

And Speaking of evidence the federal Budget comes out and quess what
NO FEDERAL MONEY for the commonwealth games. The gestures have been there for a couple month and the Halifax Herald pointed out that nova scotia only sent 3 tories mps to the government with all the HRM mps going to the NDP and the liberals.
There is a hint to "study" the issue . Once they actually study it and find what I have found I am very confident that the game will be up. Andrew Younger is on the prowl in council and without the committee securing the federal money It is over. The council has given the committee a short leash that over the last few months they have nearly hanged themselves with. One year to go to the closing of the biding and the Feds are putting the screws to the HRM council and the committee with their silent at the cash drawer.

jim jones

and they are just that predictions not actual numbers. Predistions are really prropaganda. So how creditable are their numbers when they dont even match the HRM. IN the figures for the HRM who actually issue the building premits you have a much lower number then the lesser halifax partnership. The tourism lobby of the world predicted that tourism worldwide would be the largest industry by 2000 . The problem is they forget that tourism depends on transportation and fuel for that transportation . Tourism also depends on advertizement. More money is spent on advertizing consumer products the tourism. Tourism was said to be a 1 billion industry and the largest in nova scoita a couple of years back . Well First requiring the counting of EVERY person that takes lodging in nova scotia regardless of the purpose of the visit has the intent of making the business look bigger then the actually facts. It is so bad that if you had a travel trailer in a local park on the shore and live down the road a mile that it was counted as a tourist visit EACH and EVERYday. Even with the total lie for tourism They fail; to understand 120 million US dollars worth of craft paper produces runs out of the neehah mill month and is shipped to philadelphia. EVERY single month 12 months a year for a total of 1.4 billion a year. That is one of three paper mills in the province. OH and by the way Scott, Kimberly Clark and finally Neehah do use the port of Halifax they built their own road to sheet harbour and build their own dock .

As far as the professionals they are in it to make money from their masters a special interest group. You are argueing a lobby groups quesses against STATS Can and the figrues of the HRM itself.

The thing is consultants always try to round a number upwards to something the public can grasp better. and if the numbers dont match they parse their words with "estimates or predictions". It is the same speak you here could out of politicians mouths.

The problem here is you take the words as gospel just like the emotion behind a stadium or a commonwealth games without thinking of the history of these and other events. The evidence is all around you here on the net you just choose to close your eyes.

And Speaking of evidence the federal Budget comes out and quess what
NO FEDERAL MONEY for the commonwealth games. The gestures have been there for a month and the hlaifax herald pointed out that nova scotia only sent 3 tories mps to the government with all the HRM mps going to the NDP and the liberals.
There is a hint to "study" the issue . Once they actually study it and find what I have found I am very confident that the game will be up. Andrew Younger is on the prowl in council and without the committee securing the federal money It is over. One year to go to the closing of the biding and the feds are putting the screws to the HRM council and the committee with their silent at the cash drawer.

jim jones


Get off the Halifax Partneship. The figures I was quoting are from statscan. YOU DON'T LISTEN. I only quoted one thing from the Halifax partnerhip and that was the 219,000 job figure. I don't stand by that, but I do stand by the 200,000 job figure from statsacn.

Get off the Halifax Partneship. The figures I was quoting are from statscan. YOU DON'T LISTEN. I only quoted one thing from the Halifax partnerhip and that was the 219,000 job figure. I don't stand by that, but I do stand by the 200,000 job figure from statsacn.

AH the lesser halifax partnership has 203,000 not 219,000.

jim jones

I just have one thing to say about the commonwealth games here Jim. Even if Halifax doesnt win in the final round of voting come fall 2007, The bid commitee is not going to drop this bid. I can almost guarentee they will stay in it right to the end even if approval ratings do drop. they actually probably expect it since their plan is to keep the final cost secret until May 2007 as was said at the meeting last night.

I just have one thing to say about the commonwealth games here Jim. Even if Halifax doesnt win in the final round of voting come fall 2007, The bid commitee is not going to drop this bid. I can almost guarentee they will stay in it right to the end even if approval ratings do drop. they actually probably expect it since their plan is to keep the final cost secret until May 2007 as was said at the meeting last night.


and quess what have you seen a new approval poll ? No because they know the bad news. I would not doubt it is bellow 60 percent because if they had a jump in support they would be waving it in our faces. You see keeping the costs and details a secret and behind closed doors only adds to public concern and disapproval. It would be pretty stupid to force a bid on a public that is believing that this is a very bad idea. Andrew Younger is raising the issue as one of the pro games councillors for a very good reason. He would like to get re elected and if he is the instrument that increases taxes for a worthless 10 festival and a stadium that will add to the citys operating costs then He and Kelly will go. There is a very simple law in nova scotia that if the just a small part of the population believed the council was over stepping its mandate the citizens could remove the council and call for new elections . It is in the municpalities act.

The committee is a non elected body who has to answer to politicians that have to then answer to the population.

IF they even get to the point of being in the final bid they will lose anyways.
The rug is being pulled from under their feet by stephen harper . The 23 people on the BOoB site can cry all they want but that is the polical reality.
600 million is needed for the sewer system and harper will be able to say to all his socialist friends in the HRM "what I thought you were about having a clean environment, you can't possilby have both a commonwealth games and clean sewer free basements" you will have to choose. LOLOLOLOLOL
Makes the choice very compeling for the HRM rate payers and if a councillor ,mla or mp gets in the way there goes their future political asperations down the toilet. ER atleast if that toilet can no back up because of a broken sewer system

Jim jones

I just have one thing to say about the commonwealth games here Jim. Even if Halifax doesnt win in the final round of voting come fall 2007, The bid commitee is not going to drop this bid. I can almost guarentee they will stay in it right to the end even if approval ratings do drop. they actually probably expect it since their plan is to keep the final cost secret until May 2007 as was said at the meeting last night.


ah the end is near the headline on the website gamesbid.com
and the mighty committee will soldier on without city or federal money. THe bid for the games for 1994 and lost they bid on the games for 2010 and lost maybe 3 times will teach them Halifax doesn t have what it takes and the citizens of the area know it. Moving onto a realiztic staduim plan that knoxville tennessee would be more realistic. The million spent on wasted efford would probably have a staduim today.


Wednesday, May 03, 2006

Halifax 2014 Commonwealth Bid Committee Update Gets “Rough Ride”
Posted 11:13 am ET (GamesBids.com)

The Halifax-based Chronicle Herald reports that what was supposed to be a routine update by Halifax 2014 Commonwealth bid officials turned out to be a “fairly rough ride” at the city’s regional council meeting Tuesday.

Some councillors reportedly expressed their impatience with the “dribble of details” they have been receiving from the Commonwealth bid committee.

One councillor told the meeting “I think this has to be public as soon as possible. It’s just like this big secret, and I’m not sure why”.

Scott Logan, CEO of the bid committee, said the public won’t hear the cost of the bid for about a month and the full cost of the Games won’t become public for about a year.

According to the Halifax Daily News he told the councillors, “we want to release as much as you can, but you have to be cautious. You only have to look at Scotland’s Web site to see some of our ideas”. Glasgow Scotland and Abuja Nigeria are bidding against Halifax for the right to host the 2014 Commonwealth Games.

“The numbers can be released at a point in time that doesn’t jeopardize our competitiveness”, he said.

Logan pledged fiscal details will be made public at different junctures as the bid process unfolds.

The most recent estimate of hosting the 2014 Games is $785 million, which will be shared by the municipality, the province, the federal government and the private sector. Organizers have said the Games will generate about $2 billion in economic spin-offs.

Some councillors said taxpayers would not support the bid if they don’t find out how much it costs soon.

Dale MacLennan, the bid’s finance director, told the councillors the bid budget is the most detailed any Canadian bid committee has ever put together.

The city’s bid committee has until May 12 to finalize its bid budget. The proposed budget will be shown to councillors behind closed doors before it goes to the federal government, reports the Chronicle Herald.

That doesnt mean their going to give in. They tried twice before in the domestic bids and failed, and now that were into the international competition do you really think their going to throw in the towel? I think their going to keep going with this even if the approval drops below 50% because they probably expect it to with keeping everything secret. I know I would. And I would be saying this even if I didnt support the bid. I just cant see them giving up on it.

That doesnt mean their going to give in. They tried twice before in the domestic bids and failed, and now that were into the international competition do you really think their going to throw in the towel? I think their going to keep going with this even if the approval drops below 50% because they probably expect it to with keeping everything secret. I know I would. And I would be saying this even if I didnt support the bid. I just cant see them giving up on it.

the approval drops bellow 50 percent and it is over because the politicians will not fund it. that would be game set and match for Bruce Devenne and the other anti- games forces. Andrew Younger is a pro-games councillor and he is starting to wonder.You see they want to be re-elected. Election has its purks like travelling to melbourne on the taxpayers dime.
Just think about it a job as councillor,mayor,mla,premier or mp isnt worth risking for a idea that would have the support of less then the majority of citizens. An international bid is absolutely nothing unless you are able to win it and afford the results. Both Abuja and Glasgow have the venues, the federal government funding and the approval of the people. The Halifax does not have any of those so it is the old saying THREE STRIKES and your out.If there was an overtaking of the city and provincial treasuries for something that less then 50 precent of the population approved of 3000 singatures would come very as fast as the first 3000 people that could be found on the streets of halifax and an election for the city would be called. You go beyond an opinion poll pointing to disapproval to the citizen taking back their tax dollars. That law was used with the town of lockeport when their council was found to be doing unlawful things with the taxpayers monies. The province would step in and take control until the election. None of these councillors want that type of embrassment or provincial auditors going over the books. Halifax would have the label of denver colorado . The citizens turning down a games and taking control of city hall. Denver had a taxpayer revolt in 1972 over the awarding of the winter olympics for 1976. The citizens won and the 1976 olympics eventually had to be held in innsbrook austria. British Columbia turned the IOC down as grabaldi was the loser for the bid in 1970.State Senator Richard Lamm was the man who spearheaded the anti-games movement in Denver became governor two year later in 1974.


jim jones

Jim

I've been reading what you've been saying on Gamesbid.com and you have to be the most pathetic individual I have ever come across with your constant lies and bullshit and what actually amazes me is you're from Nova Scotia. I have absolutely no respect for people like you.

Let me ask you again and give me an answer this time. If you don't think Halifax is going to get the games then why are going to extent that you are trying to convince people of this. Is it because you hate Halifax so much and its success or is it because you really think Halifax has a very good chance at getting the games.

Oh, and Jim a couple of sentences will do. Not a book full of hot air like you usually write. Just makes you sound like an arrogant jackass.

^ I'll second that motion ;)

Jonestowncultpicto? or Paul Taylor

Jim

I've been reading what you've been saying on Gamesbid.com and you have to be the most pathetic individual I have ever come across with your constant lies and bullshit and what actually amazes me is you're from Nova Scotia. I have absolutely no respect for people like you.

Let me ask you again and give me an answer this time. If you don't think Halifax is going to get the games then why are going to extent that you are trying to convince people of this. Is it because you hate Halifax so much and its success or is it because you really think Halifax has a very good chance at getting the games.

Oh, and Jim a couple of sentences will do. Not a book full of hot air like you usually write. Just makes you sound like an arrogant jackass.

you know I love to hear the slings and arrows of people who come from a world that does not build a business past the extent of there noses or 30 years. Halifax is a great place to live but keep it up and you will have empty stadiums costing millions per year to maintian without a tenant and sewage running into your besements.

I have equaLLY NO RESPECT FOR people who dont realistically think in rational terms or understand political realities. You can live in your dream world halifax .But with No funding from the federal budget, no funding from the provincial throne speech it is over and done with. Halifax will drop out even if you beleive a committee will soldier on without funding or public support.

Please go cry and sob because I can hear the chorus of how halifax gets nothing. The department of national defence, the Federal and provincial governments and the universities are all evidence that localing those things in Halifax is only making for a further spoiled infant in the scheme of cities of the world. Atleast in Ottawa you do have some world leading companies like Corel not branch plants or the country folk taking over yuor city.

My final word is ABUJA WIN ABUJA WINS.

jim jones

That's your final word? That means that you're not gonna say anything from now on right?

wrong halifax you are the weakiest link goodbye

Jim, your acting like your predicting the future here, but your not. You have no idea who is going to win this competition. You can make a prediction but you'll never be 100% sure. Im just curious though, what would you say if Halifax actually did happen to win the CWG in 2007? Oh and btw, Halifax is not the weakest link. You are.

Goodbye!:)

Jim is running away :runaway: I can't believe it, I'm so happy :) . Goodbye Jim you crazy bastard.

First Off, I would like to introduce myself to the forum here, I am a new member, but longtime observer. I live in Halifax...and I, frankly...am rather used to living in this wonderful world that is suburbia, and I have total disregard, or utter hatred, for rural/small town living.

Now, as you can see by my username, the real, only reason I decided to join this forum is to put my few cents(dollars) in on this whole debate between what seems to be the evil force that is trying to rise up, that is the speck of a town called Pictou, against all of the HRM...aka..Jones VS. the City of Halifax.

Now, to you, I am going to put it plain and simple, I do not like you, your attitude, your views on Nova Scotia and Halifax, I think I'll include your outlook on the future for this province in there as well. Anyway..to get to my point Mr. Jones...you are an absolute nutcase asshole with no respect for where you live, or about as smart as a brick...or both, you obviously can't get it through your 'rural lovin' nugget there..that Halifax is keeping this Province afloat, the folks in here could have taught a 20 year old dying dog faster than it is going to take you to understand that. I also have no respect for you and your views on this Province and city, you see...the reason you are living out where you are is because no one here would like you because of your views...so you chose to go somewhere else, where you and your little 'posse' congregate and gather to form these delightful little whine groups about "why big cities are bad" and all the accompanying stuff that goes along with it, including the stuff that will make the city a better place to the already great place it is now.

So what if it makes living away from the city crappier? One little solution to that...another one your IQ equivalent of a brick, let slip through one ear and out the other, move INTO the city! (WOW!!), which a lot of people seem to be catching on to and persuing!... why? because it is the idea that makes the most sense....and those are the ones you seem to have the hardest time understanding (Theres that 'intelligence' shining through again!!)

Another little thing I seem to remember is you metioning is your rather feeble attempt to suck up to the folks over in the UK, with your rather sneaky uses of "NEW Glasgow and NEW Scotland" ...First off....you live in the sticks OUTSIDE of New Glasgow...and who cares if it is NEW Glasgow in NEW Scotland....there are reasons why migrants chose to come here, which I would rather not get into discussing because it should have been learned in Jr. High school history, which I'm sure you spent whining about something else and being too busy to learn anything.

Jones, sit down...keep quiet...and stay in "Hick-tou"

Well then, it's good to have all of that out for now, and I'm sure I will remain silent until you get another steaming pile of crap for me to go on about, if you so choose to want to respond in any way to this please, feel free to email me , you can reach me anytime through patrick.helliwell@gmail.com same goes to anyone else who wants to respond, I really don't want to clutter up this forum with a load of whining jibber jabber, my appologies to anyone I may have unintentionally offended, this is my view on this subject.

Thanks

--Helliwell

^That was great. Only problem is that now he has something new to argue about. Yeesh

First Off, I would like to introduce myself to the forum here, I am a new member, but longtime observer. I live in Halifax...and I, frankly...am rather used to living in this wonderful world that is suburbia, and I have total disregard, or utter hatred, for rural/small town living.

Now, as you can see by my username, the real, only reason I decided to join this forum is to put my few cents(dollars) in on this whole debate between what seems to be the evil force that is trying to rise up, that is the speck of a town called Pictou, against all of the HRM...aka..Jones VS. the City of Halifax.

Now, to you, I am going to put it plain and simple, I do not like you, your attitude, your views on Nova Scotia and Halifax, I think I'll include your outlook on the future for this province in there as well. Anyway..to get to my point Mr. Jones...you are an absolute nutcase asshole with no respect for where you live, or about as smart as a brick...or both, you obviously can't get it through your 'rural lovin' nugget there..that Halifax is keeping this Province afloat, the folks in here could have taught a 20 year old dying dog faster than it is going to take you to understand that. I also have no respect for you and your views on this Province and city, you see...the reason you are living out where you are is because no one here would like you because of your views...so you chose to go somewhere else, where you and your little 'posse' congregate and gather to form these delightful little whine groups about "why big cities are bad" and all the accompanying stuff that goes along with it, including the stuff that will make the city a better place to the already great place it is now.

So what if it makes living away from the city crappier? One little solution to that...another one your IQ equivalent of a brick, let slip through one ear and out the other, move INTO the city! (WOW!!), which a lot of people seem to be catching on to and persuing!... why? because it is the idea that makes the most sense....and those are the ones you seem to have the hardest time understanding (Theres that 'intelligence' shining through again!!)

Another little thing I seem to remember is you metioning is your rather feeble attempt to suck up to the folks over in the UK, with your rather sneaky uses of "NEW Glasgow and NEW Scotland" ...First off....you live in the sticks OUTSIDE of New Glasgow...and who cares if it is NEW Glasgow in NEW Scotland....there are reasons why migrants chose to come here, which I would rather not get into discussing because it should have been learned in Jr. High school history, which I'm sure you spent whining about something else and being too busy to learn anything.

Jones, sit down...keep quiet...and stay in "Hick-tou"

Well then, it's good to have all of that out for now, and I'm sure I will remain silent until you get another steaming pile of crap for me to go on about, if you so choose to want to respond in any way to this please, feel free to email me , you can reach me anytime through patrick.helliwell@gmail.com same goes to anyone else who wants to respond, I really don't want to clutter up this forum with a load of whining jibber jabber, my appologies to anyone I may have unintentionally offended, this is my view on this subject.

Thanks

--Helliwell

Because you people are constantly at the tit for metro centres and museums and everything under the sun. The two top sponsors on the committee are Pictou County businesses with Sobeys and more shares and members of the board on Scotiabank are from Pictou county. The Minister you have to court for your little fantasy Peter Mac kay Pictou county.
The co-Chair for the committee Pictou County with John Hamm. You ever think of who got the sobeys involved in your little committee? Certainly not Fred MacGillervay . Fred was the former CEo of bolands/iga group which belonged to Oshawa food group Which Sobeys bought. John Hamm is a big player in this and is tied to the Sobeys.

and as far as the history of the region many people of nova scotia of scottish origin were exported to Nova scotia to make way for sheep for the british wool company.


you see I know history, politics business and government . As to you well you live in halifax and feel a 5 million dollar tax bill for decades that Nova scotia Power payed to the City of Dartmouth and then the HRm is ok but Trenton Nova Scotia should not get a dime despite the fact that we are providing much of the ower to the HRM. And you people cry adn moan about stadiums in calgary, vancouver, edmonton and the rest of the country. MY god what an injustice that we don't subsidize the CFL too or the commonwealth games.
LOLOLOLOLOL.

Great to have your airey fairy boondoggles at pictou county and the other 60 percent of the population of nova scotia expense.


jim jones

PS. ADUJA WINS it will be and then the cries of how unjust Halifax is treated will ring from the BOOB site LOLOLOLOL.Oh and PS.
Pictou is a County too which contains New Glasgow which I happen to live in .
Live is pretty good here as we dont have to shovel sidewalk unlike the ratepayers of halifax do in the winter. Look for citizens to start paying private contractors or doing it themselves for services if the CWG's comes to this townLOLLOLOLOLOLOL. Another thing is we dont have to worry about sewage running into your basements as we do have a fully functioning and not in crisis mode system.

You see the difference between you and I is that I realize the realities and you dont . LOLOLOLOLOL

jim jones

Because you people are constantly at the tit for metro centres and museums and everything under the sun. The two top sponsors on the committee are Pictou County businesses with Sobeys and more shares and members of the board on Scotiabank are from Pictou county. The Minister you have to court for your little fantasy Peter Mac kay Pictou county.
The co-Chair for the committee Pictou County with John Hamm. You ever think of who got the sobeys involved in your little committee? Certainly not Fred MacGillervay . Fred was the former CEo of bolands/iga group which belonged to Oshawa food group Which Sobeys bought. John Hamm is a big player in this and is tied to the Sobeys.

and as far as the history of the region many people of nova scotia of scottish origin were exported to Nova scotia to make way for sheep for the british wool company.


you see I know history, politics business and government . As to you well you live in halifax and feel a 5 million dollar tax bill for decades that Nova scotia Power payed to the City of Dartmouth and then the HRm is ok but Trenton Nova Scotia should not get a dime despite the fact that we are providing much of the ower to the HRM. And you people cry adn moan about stadiums in calgary, vancouver, edmonton and the rest of the country. MY god what an injustice that we don't subsidize the CFL too or the commonwealth games.
LOLOLOLOLOL.

Great to have your airey fairy boondoggles at pictou county and the other 60 percent of the population of nova scotia expense.


jim jones

PS. ADUJA WINS it will be and then the cries of how unjust Halifax is treated will ring from the BOOB site LOLOLOLOL.Oh and PS.
Pictou is a County too which contains New Glasgow which I happen to live in .
Live is pretty good here as we dont have to shovel sidewalk unlike the ratepayers of halifax do in the winter. Look for citizens to start paying private contractors or doing it themselves for services if the CWG's comes to this townLOLLOLOLOLOLOL. Another thing is we dont have to worry about sewage running into your basements as we do have a fully functioning and not in crisis mode system.

You see the difference between you and I is that I realize the realities and you dont . LOLOLOLOLOL

jim jones

Thought you said goodbye Jim. Your a really nut job :nuts:

Okay, I thought I was going to have to wait a while for that large steaming heap of crap...but then again this IS the infamous Jim Jones we are talking about...so getting a whopping huge pile of insanity all in one post shouldn't come as such a surprise...

Im going to try to keep this short and sweet(no promises)..

I do realize all the realities you do mention I just chose either not to care, or I don't care whatsoever or what you view as a shortfall, I like. First off...I enjoy having having a sidewalk in my community, although in the winter, yes, I have to shovel it, and whats the big deal? so what if it is on my property? I get excersise lkeeping it clear..it brings a place together..and ooks good.

I think all this whining is stemming from the fact that you are not living here, and because you don't have access to these amenities to the extent of those in Halifax you think you can bitch and complain about them and thier shortfalls and the occasional mishap. The sewage thing..yes, it has happened...thus is why the HRM is spending the 500+ million on the Harbour Solutions Project to help alleviate the strain on the system, which will then have Halifax as a world leader in sewage treatment and management! and Pictou....you can keep making our power...through recent upgrade and new techologies, Trenton is providing less power to HRM as there is a 450MW connection stable with New Brunswick, although it is providing a lot of Cape Breton with a stable connection as well, the line has 2 points of terminus, Halifax and Sydney...In any case, thats not really necessary to get into specifics, and just to let you and everyone else here about the whole "Trenton provides Halifax with power"...no...Trenton provides Halifax with power in times when it needs it, say in the coldest darkest times in winter, the Tufts Cove plant is more than capable of sustaining Halifax on its own, as well as a good chuck of the rural population, and with some information I was shown, another generator could be installed at Tufts Cove within the next couple of years, mainly...to meet demand in rural areas outside of Halifax, Trenton is our backup in case when we need that, and that is something you failed to mention...numerous times.

Almost done..

Also...I really don't care fi we do or don't get the commonwealth games...I mean, I am all for the Halifax bid, and I am rooting on us getting it, if we don't oh well...just another lost another incredible oppourtunity because of negative opposers like you who don't want this City to prosper at the Provinces expense, which, if you think about it, will have prosperous results in the future for all of Nova Scotia.

Thanks

--Helliwell
patrick.helliwell@gmail.com

you see there is no progress what so ever period by having a stadium or commonwealth games. The games are something that are beyond the capacity to recover even percent of cost period. It is a 2 billion dollar debt and a very mean spirited way of raising a few hopes by paul martin in the last election . You voted socialist and you dont get the money from the governing party. a billion is being put into highways, universities and hospitals. billions will be put into the navy and armed forces .
As far as the plant in trenton the expansion was not done for rural nova scotia the line go to halifax and someday maybe a hunter will shot the line and see what happens LOLOLOLOOLOL. Just a joke of course. The unequal balance is there you can yell and screem about such trivial matters as gettting a stadium to right an injustice but until which time that trenton is payed EQUAL you just illustrate the real injustice that has gone on for a long time.
The new water treatment project which you talk about has absolutely nothing to do with the problems outlined by the city engineers office in a report two council meeting ago. 600 million is needed for the deleivery system to the treatment plants in the form of sewer lines that are now only replaced in a crisis mode situation inwhich the department the city engineer has said is underfunded by a factor of 6 .
I just read the finance statement for the Haltern trust and 800,000 dollars was the profit for the first quarter. if that is one of the engines of the economy then what is a neehah paper mill in pictou at 120 million a month in product shipped to philadelphia via sheet harbour. I realize a 800,000 dollar profit can be realized on lets say 50 million a month in good and services transitting the port. It is great to FINALLY see a Crown corporation turn a profit with taxpayers money. LOLOLOLOLLOLL.

The thing is the port is important , the health of the residences is important but when you have a mayor on one hand that is saying "We dont intent to raise taxes becuase of the games" and then when the bill is said to be 600 million for the sewer repairs and the reaction is "we will raise the money thru a special surcharge to the water bill ". you really have to start questioned someone state of mind when they acutally believe they own double speak.

Atleast the port does produce jobs and that is fine. But with a stadium you are looking at 10 games a year and maybe two concerts. Millions in maintainence is required and all teams cry poor and treathen to leave you with no tenant unless you pay them.

Why are the people of the committee so intent on saying that a 25,000 seat stadium will cost only 100 million . Scott Ferguson is talking 150 million for a replacement for the metro centre at 15000 seats . Cant you people get a proper stadium or arena plan together for the area. the metro centre was very ill planned without room for expansion. Atleast moncton has that type of forward thinking.The quebec colusee just added up skywards to increase the capacity. Having the most arenas doe no good if they all compete for the same ticketholders base and the same tenants

jim jones

Hey moderators, what do you think of thread-killer here?

and guess what I dont use words like dumb ass or jackass to describe the people who come to MY trend with a different point of view.

Please bring me an article that is not a study by a games committee that says the Commonwealth games is a good business venture for 4 months i have yet to see anyone do that one simple thing.


jim jones.

To be honest, The only big players I've seen in being against the games are Bruce Devenne, Rick Howe, and on a smaller scale, yourself. Especially online I've seen far more supporters for the games than naysayers. Come to think of it, the only Nova Scotia residents in the forums I've seen opposed are Bruce and you.

And Im proud to say I dont use words like 'jackass' or 'dumbass' to describe anyone with different points of view :P.

To be honest, The only big players I've seen in being against the games are Bruce Devenne, Rick Howe, and on a smaller scale, yourself. Especially online I've seen far more supporters for the games than naysayers. Come to think of it, the only Nova Scotia residents in the forums I've seen opposed are Bruce and you.

And Im proud to say I dont use words like 'jackass' or 'dumbass' to describe anyone with different points of view :P.

sorry about that Wishblade your are actually respectful in your comments and play devils advocate at times I beleive that it is haliguy which I glance at make a smart comment and go on???

As for opposition I would include chris cochrane the sports columnist fot he herald , Roger Taylor is certainly a critic. Ralph Surette. This is a very closed circle of interest on either side of the issue. as the signers of the stopthrhrmgames petition are over 100 now.

The thing that amazes me with bruce is he tireless pursuit of this. Read the article in frank magazine about him and you will see a side of that man that you will wonder why he pursues this as he probably would not be around for a games if it was to happen or the tax increases he foresees.

I have seen the slings and arrows at him and I really feel in a free society you have to have voices expressing free thought. The process right now doesn t not allow the questions to be asked or answered with IN Camera sessions. That is what raises the fears of people who voice there opinions here and elsewhere. The biggest evidence with many voices is the letter to the editor of the daily news papers.

jim jones.

Holy Crap!! You guys type so much!! i'm way too lazy to do so. Well I was following the first few pages and after got bored to read everything. So hows this all going? Congrats BTW.

Holy Crap!! You guys type so much!! i'm way too lazy to do so. Well I was following the first few pages and after got bored to read everything. So hows this all going? Congrats BTW.

I'm with you man. Any updates on this??

I'm with you man. Any updates on this??
Not really, no renders yet or anything like that. I wish they'd hurry up, unless they're waiting for the final 2014 games announcement or something.

I doubt they will be releasing many details until they either win or lose the bid.

I've seen a few "renderings" but they were pretty much conceptual drawings that included some non-descript apartments, a few other buildings, and a stadium that looked a little bit like McMahon in Calgary. I also saw renderings for the stadium that would have been part of the bid last time around, those ones looked more like Edmonton's.

I doubt they will be releasing many details until they either win or lose the bid.

Yeah they would not want to tip the scots and the nigerians as those two countries are keep such a tight vale of secrecy of what the stadiums in those cities look like .
Hampden Park http://www.hampdenpark.co.uk/about_hampden/index.htm
and Abuja National Stadium http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/africa/nigeria/abuja_stadium.shtml
Opps I think some SAS comandos and nigeria tribemen will be looking for me LOLLOL. If the nigerians were to see the fabulous idea for a stadium here they just may build a second stadium in advance to copy halifax's design LOL


Really if you are promoting a commonwealth games bid and you have opposition the first smart thing you would do is have the press conference with the entire rendering and scale models for the public to see.
Taking a play out of Mayor Jean Drapeau's book might actually gain support you just dont say where you go the play.

Not showing what you entend to do after you win a bid just adds to the mistrust by the public.

The thing is I think it is that the committee has no clue of what it is going to do and is so depend on the federal governments share that they are paralized
to act. The Secrecy thing is BS plan and simple with regards to what the facilites are . Glasgow has shown what their new arena will look like for the commonwealth games 2014.

jim jones

hmm...