Public Transportation and Intermodal Terminals

[pau_p1]

OH.. I hope this pushes through... this weekend we went to Pagsanjan and passing thru Calamba and Los Banos is very bad due to the heavy traffic...

[Sinjin P.]

passing thru Calamba and Los Banos is very bad due to the heavy traffic...

True. Our family is always a victim of that man made disaster since we live in Sta. Rosa and anywhere in Laguna is the only place to go.

[habagatcentral1]

Pasyal sa Pagadian City
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Pagadian City
More than the usual tricycles... :D

[bagel]

^ That feels like a video game! Either we're the worst drivers in the world or the best drivers in the world for surviving such chaos!

[Lili]

Pasyal sa Pagadian City
zfaEQKmNMc8

Pagadian City
More than the usual tricycles... :D

:lol:
That is like a thrill ride! And daming mahahagip -- may buntis, may mama, may ale, may bata. The tricycles were like kings of the road that can just make turns anywhere.

[tigidig14]

:lol: and those tricikol's roof looks weird

[Rajah_Soliman]

Pasyal sa Pagadian City
zfaEQKmNMc8

Pagadian City
More than the usual tricycles... :D

aray, sumakit ang ulo ko :ohno:

[bitoy]

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/2715/overload2hz6.jpg

I was on one of those jeepney rides like this but not as full. It was really a thrill and fun way to experience those overcrowded transportation.

And much fun when when we fell on the riverbed from the roof. :lol:

[nab_uang]

my dream vehicle... in Cebu I saw few assembled hummer running there...

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n188/nab_uang/H1Hummer2.jpg

[vince_rilian]

QC eyes solar energy to light up its streets
By Rose Dela Cruz
The Philippine STAR 01/14/2007
Business- Agriculture/Environment

The Quezon City government, under Mayor Feliciano Belmonte, is seriously studying the possibility of converting the city’s street lighting system from one that is powered by fossil-fueled electricity to one that is powered by solar energy, which would greatly reduce its electric bill and help promote clean renewable energy from the sun.

The city engineer’s office is now in the stage of wrapping up discussions with the Solar Electric Co. to convert all of the city’s street lights to a solar-powered system starting with the main routes and the Quezon City Elliptical Circle.

Solarco president Robert Lopez Puckett said this move by the QC government will revolutionize the street lighting system of Metro Manila.

Puckett said Quezon City pays a flat rate of P300 million a year to Meralco for its street lights. "Imagine the land area of Quezon City–it being the biggest in Metro Manila–and the savings solar energy would bring to its coffers."

The cities and towns pay a flat rate of anywhere from P75 to P200 per streetlight to Meralco and one street could have anywhere from three to 20 lights, depending on the length.

He estimates the cost of setting up solar panels with batteries and lamps at P70,000 (at one panel per street), which would appear huge at the start but when computed on a 5 to 10-year period — not to mention the benefit of being cushioned from the price fluctuations of fuel abroad and the dependability of this source of energy — then the city residents would do well in the long run to convert into solar energy, Puckett said.

"We can retrofit the current street lights or change the bulbs into the smaller but more powerful solar lights attached to the batteries that convert the sun’s energy into electricity. The battery needs minimal maintenance which our company can provide," he said.

Puckett’s company has also been tasked to install all the street lights and signs of the four-lane highways around the Laguna Lake area called the Laguna Bay Area Rapid Transit (LABART) to commence next year until 2010. The highway will showcase how renewable energy from the sun can greatly reduce energy cost to the local governments of the province while enabling them to reduce hydrocarbon emission with this clean energy.

The 270-kilometer highway called Laguna Bay Area Rapid Transit (LABART) was launched two weeks ago by President Arroyo to help ease the traffic congestion in the province and interconnect the cities and towns of the province to one another. This way, the province can be more attractive to industrial locators and tourists as well. The project will be somewhat like Lake Tahoe in the US or the Sea of Galilee.

Makati Mayor Jejomar Binay and Manila Mayor Lito Atienza have also shown keen interest in converting the city’s streetlights to solar energy. "We are talking with these executives and we hope that when they get solarized, other cities and towns of Metro Manila and suburbs will follow," Puckett said.

"We can actually do more than street lights. We can also power the other communal facilities of the cities like barangay halls, basketball courts, water pumps and even their health centers," he added…

[demented_pigeon]

correction lang: Laguna de Bay po... as in Laguna de Ba-i kasi walang Laguna Bay or Lake Bay or Laguna Lake as Lake Lake. Lake Bai pwede pa.

[Sinjin P.]

^ Yeah, I knew that upon creating the thread but I decided to name it after the official name of the project :D

[vince_rilian]

^^ accepted rin ang Laguna Bay, to refer dun sa inlets/lobes (the trilobes/trilobate regions) ng lake (although 4 nga dapat yun eh, so dapat quadrilobate, ehehehe), so yung coastal area yun ng lake ang tinutukoy kapag Laguna Bay, bay as in bay talaga, kaya sa title: Laguna Bay Area yung nakalagay, yung area mismo, hehehe. :okay:

ang talagang mali dun sa article ay yung Laguna Lake.... hehehe

[WANCH]

One thing I annoyed of are tricycles running on main roads and hiways (except NLEX and SLEX). This is not just in Manila but also in the other parts of The Philippines.

A major disadvantage of tricycles is they are slow and are obstructions especially for faster vehicles who have to overtake them. The worst problem is if the main road or highway is only one lane.

I remember my trip from Manila to Olongapo where we had to overtake several tricycles along the way.

How about you, do you consider tricycles a nuisance?

http://www.calvintang.com/albums/Philippines/lg/overloaded%20tricycle.jpg

[Sinjin P.]

^ And they even use some narrow roads as their queue areas while they're waiting for passengers. (You now have a clue what my answer to the thread question is)...

Okay, not just tricycles but also pedicabs. Same thing, they also queue on narrow roads, they are slow, they are irritating.

[Sinjin P.]

After converting taxis, autogas
now being tested for tricycles (http://businessmirror.com.ph/04232007/headlines07.html)

THE proliferation of taxi fleets using liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) has prompted Total (Philippines) Corp. to look at the viability of offering the same fuel to the public tricycle sector.

According to Total president and country manager Anna Whitehouse, the company now is pilot-testing the use of autogas for tricycles in Mandaluyong City.

Total is targeting to start offering autogas as a regular product and to service the conversion of gasoline-fired tricycles within the year, she added.

Whitehouse said Total has been working closely with the Department of Energy (DOE) in coming up with the needed policy framework and standards for autogas to be used by the tricycle sector.

Whitehouse shared that Total has had experience in converting tricycles to be able to make use of autogas in countries like India.

“We have also started discussing with several banks the possibility of extending financial assistance for those that will convert their tricycles,” said Whitehouse.

She, however, declined to identify which banks Total has been having talks with.

Whitehouse said the cost to convert a tricycle to be able to use autogas is estimated at P10,000 per unit or half of the cost for cars.

“Tricycle drivers or operators will generate savings of about P12 per liter by converting to LPG whilst reducing emissions by at least 75 percent considering the more than 1.3 million tricycles nationwide that emit noxious hydrocarbons,” Whitehouse said.

--P.A. Isla

[diehardbisdak]

^^ IMO, if tricycles are the main transpo of a particular area, I don't think it is a nuisance even if they are plying on the main roads... for example, Lapu-Lapu City is a highly urbanized city but there are still tricycles on the main roads...in fact, the city government has assigned a "tricycle lane".

....usually, a highly-urbanized city is prohibiting these 3-wheeled vehicles to ply the main roads

[Sinjin P.]

^ And it has never been followed ever. I am also wondering if the government has not regulated the distribution of franchises for the operation of even more of them. Ofcourse I would want them to stay since these are what the masses have grown up to and this has been the decent livelihood of some but for them to stay, roads should be widened and they should have their own dedicated tricycle lane and the drivers themselves should learn some discipline!

[queetz@home]

The problem with tricycles, jeepneys, taxis and buses in the Philippines is they are simply not regulated properly. Since they are all privately run, its the ultimate "survival of the fittest" scenario. Unfortunately this leads to extreme traffic congestion, chaotic driving conditions that is unlike that of a video game, and above all, extremely inefficient movement of people. IF and only IF there is political will to create and enforce rules that would smoothen the flow (i.e. as mentioned, tricycle lanes but in this case, strictly enforced with extremely punative penalties if disobeyed), it would not only benefit the drivers of private vehicles constantly annoyed by them, but also the operators of these tricycles, taxis, jeepneys and buses. Why? Because if you make the movement of people efficient, you can carry a hell of a lot more passengers, thus more revenue and at the same time, reduce the wear and tear of your vehicles, thus lowering operating costs.

[venntro]

^^ I also noticed that tricycles are not using the proper oil that's why they billow those thick white smoke since the vehicle cannot burn the whole oil.

[laquacherra]

IMO tricycles are not only a nuisance on main roads esp. national highways during the day... they are downright dangerous on the national highway at night because 9 out 10 of those tricycles do not even have headlights! :ohno:

[Sinjin P.]

1. Jeepneys and tricycles should be reduced and reduced and reduced slowly (let's say 10 years). A new, modern, environment-friendly and more efficient transport system should take the role currently delivered by our jeepneys and tricycles. (An efficient LRT/MRT/rail system. Hmm, jeepneys can still have a place in each LRT/MRT/rail station but they should be strictly monitored and regulated. Dapat alisin na ang mga bulok at karag-karag na sasakyan sa daan, they just add to the already worse air and noise pollution)

2. Drivers should learn discipline (Bastos at barumbado ang karamihan sa mga tsuper at ang iba sa kanila ay walang personal hygiene.)

3. Pedicabs should be abolished!

[venntro]

Not to mention, they don't have signal lights and they are so loud, elevating the noise pollution level in an area. Some subdivisions, especially in Antipolo (i.e Cottonwood Heights), ban tricycles inside the subdivision to minimize noise and air pollution levels.

[venntro]

After converting taxis, autogas
now being tested for tricycles

THE proliferation of taxi fleets using liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) has prompted Total (Philippines) Corp. to look at the viability of offering the same fuel to the public tricycle sector.

According to Total president and country manager Anna Whitehouse, the company now is pilot-testing the use of autogas for tricycles in Mandaluyong City.

Total is targeting to start offering autogas as a regular product and to service the conversion of gasoline-fired tricycles within the year, she added.

Whitehouse said Total has been working closely with the Department of Energy (DOE) in coming up with the needed policy framework and standards for autogas to be used by the tricycle sector.

Whitehouse shared that Total has had experience in converting tricycles to be able to make use of autogas in countries like India.

“We have also started discussing with several banks the possibility of extending financial assistance for those that will convert their tricycles,” said Whitehouse.

She, however, declined to identify which banks Total has been having talks with.

Whitehouse said the cost to convert a tricycle to be able to use autogas is estimated at P10,000 per unit or half of the cost for cars.

“Tricycle drivers or operators will generate savings of about P12 per liter by converting to LPG whilst reducing emissions by at least 75 percent considering the more than 1.3 million tricycles nationwide that emit noxious hydrocarbons,” Whitehouse said.

[smokingunmanila]

i have the same predicament with the author of this thread since I travel to subic almost every week. I had complaint so much about these tricycles na minsan hindi pa tumatabi at nanunubok pa ng bilis.

But..come to think of it...these are use by the provincial folks for transporting their goods...and riding it during off hours...that's why even at 12 midnight..you will still a few of them on the road...

Let's be patient...not all of us have cars to drive..we have to understand those who couldn't afford and for these drivers to earn a descent living...kung tayo asa itaas...then let us just try to understand them..or even help them...

[el_dasik_oo1]

1. Jeepneys and tricycles should be reduced and reduced and reduced slowly (let's say 10 years). A new, modern, environment-friendly and more efficient transport system should take the role currently delivered by our jeepneys and tricycles. (An efficient LRT/MRT/rail system. Hmm, jeepneys can still have a place in each LRT/MRT/rail station but they should be strictly monitored and regulated. Dapat alisin na ang mga bulok at karag-karag na sasakyan sa daan, they just add to the already worse air and noise pollution)


There are many factors that are needed to be considered here (at siyempre marami rin mababanggang tao dito.. if you know what i mean. :D). Ok ito sa mga major cities but pagdating sa mga probinsya or sa mga rural areas/cities, I think ibang usapan na yan.. I say they should be regulated and redevelop (I don't know if this is the right word pero I think there is a need na i-develop pa ang mga P.U.T(Public Utility Transportation. hehe gawa gawa ng term) ). Kung magkaroon man ng regulation ng mga P.U.T na ito, there should be some alternative "programs" para sa mga displaced Drivers and Operators since siyempre sila yung sobrang maapektuhan.


2. Drivers should learn discipline (Bastos at barumbado ang karamihan sa mga tsuper at ang iba sa kanila ay walang personal hygiene.)


Blame LTO about it.. Sino ba naman magbibigay ng mga lisensya sa mga barumbado na yan di ba?

*rant mode* Isama na rin yung mga nagmomotor! Ang yayabang sa kalsada! Ilang beses na kami muntik na mabangga dahil sa mga naghahari harian na mga yan eh :bash:



3. Pedicabs should be abolished!

DEFINITELY! sa totoo lang, naawa ko both sa mga pasahero(umaabot pa hanggang 50 pesos ang pamasahe.) at dun sa drayber(paano kung Obese yung pasahero or madami dalang bagahe tapos payatot pa yung drayber.)

[Lucentino]

Tricycles: one of the perpetual symbols of poverty... been around for several decades now... might be the best means of transport in rural areas --- but highly urbanized locations must no longer accomodate them --- because it can really become a headache... not to mention the smoke from those 2 stroke engines!

The lack of proper zoning for commercial, residential and industrial areas make tricicles a viable means of transport. Hey, Singapore didn't need one...

Do I see raised eyebrows here? Note the tricycles in Cavite province ply the major hi-ways at night, overloaded with passengers from factories, without tail lights nor any safety equipment! They endanger the lives of their passengers and other motorists --- and what is the government's take on this? Reactive thinking perhaps?

If one causes a slow down/snarling of traffic and/or if you delay the delivery of goods and services and/or endangering lives of others, please dont reason out that you are making an honest living because you are not... it is stealing, but disguised in another way.

[Rajah_Soliman]

^^ i agree to that... they symbolize poverty (and, i would say, our state of hopelessness)....

[Lucentino]

Let's be patient...not all of us have cars to drive..

in Ayala center or Makati CBD, there are no tricycles allowed... and not everyone have cars... people can walk but given the tricycles, people tend to become lazy at times... sa probinsya mabenta ang tricycle kasi pwede kang ihatid hanggang sa tapat ng bahay mo... its like a vise, if tolerated your life might depend on it...

[smokingunmanila]

Para naman mga opposition kayo....all I heard was complaint but no concrete solution to the problem....if we abolish it..then san sasakay yung mga hindi maka afford ng kotse?

andyan ang mga tricycles dahil there's a need for them...kung walang sasakay then wala yan dyan...kasi may mga subdivisions talaga na super layo from the main road going just to the front end of the gate...

sa probinsya..pano? kulang ang jeep dun...san sasakay yung mga tao...eh may mga inner streets pa sila dun diba na minsan hindi maka daan yung mga kotse or jeep? pano sila kung walang tricycle?

In fairness, I still ride the tricycles up to now...like from MRT..then I have to ride a pedicab going to the gym or somewhere else....than face the horrible traffic of EDSA...

[smokingunmanila]

I totally agree they are nuisance in the main road..but what are your alternative solution...that is what I want to hear...very wrong yung isang reason na ginagamit ang tricycle ng mga tamad....

I'll give you an example..I want to go to aBS-cbn....okay..I'll stop at MRT gMA kamuning station..now...may pedicab dun na mag short cut to abs..or 2 rides...1 in timog..then another one...going to abs....it's a choice...diba..masgusto mo yung pedicab or tricycle dun...kaya andun sila....because there is a need for them...if I walk..that's a like 2 kilometer walk

[Lucentino]

^^ as mentioned, people can walk if there are no other means of transport... katamaran ay ating alisin...
1. ang Makati CBD at Singapore ay nasa tropical zone kaya di pwede idahilan ang weather para sa existence ng tricycle...
2. hindi lahat ng tao sa Makati CBD ay mayaman... pero nakukuha nilang maglakad from Bel-Air to Greenbelt para makaiwas sa traffic... marami nga dyan may "short cut" pang nalalaman...
3. sa mga subdivision, handicapped o may karamdaman lang ang hindi makakalakad... sila ang may kailangan ng kakaibang klase ng transportasyon... pwede na sa mga residential areas ang multicab---12-14 passengers sa isang byahe... mas safe kesa tricycle pero parehong sikip...

[Risk Taker]

i think there's nothing wrong with having motorcycles on the road....ang problema lang is law enforcement and discipline sa driver. dapat merong separate lanes for motorcycles and for bicycles then enforce the regulations strictly. Just remember that there are so many places yet in pinas not accessible by bus or jeepneys so motorcycle is a big help. Kung sabihin mo lakarin pede rin pero yon eh kung sanay ka mag lakad, kung wala kang mabigat na dala o kaya di ka nag mamadali o kung kaya mo tiisin ang init well eh di sige mag lakad ka.

hay ang dami talagang problema sa pinas na kakulangan sa disiplina lang naman sa gumagamit ang solusyon :ohno:

[Sinjin P.]

I totally agree they are nuisance in the main road..but what are your alternative solution...that is what I want to hear...very wrong yung isang reason na ginagamit ang tricycle ng mga tamad....

I'll give you an example..I want to go to aBS-cbn....okay..I'll stop at MRT gMA kamuning station..now...may pedicab dun na mag short cut to abs..or 2 rides...1 in timog..then another one...going to abs....it's a choice...diba..masgusto mo yung pedicab or tricycle dun...kaya andun sila....because there is a need for them...if I walk..that's a like 2 kilometer walk

Tama ka. Ngunit it's also a sad reality na ang karamihan sa kanila ay abusado at walang disiplina, pinaparking ang kanilang mga tricycle at pedicab sa sidewalk na lalong nagpapakitid sa mga makitid nang mga kalsada. Kung gustong mabigyang solusyon ang isang problema eh dapat tutukan ang pinakarason ng problemang iyon at ang pinakaproblema diyan eh ang kawalan ng disiplina ng iilan sa ating mga tsuper, walang regulasyon sa pagbibigay ng prankisa kaya sobra-sobra ang mga tricycle at pedicab which then results into surplus of supply kaya nagreresulta sa pagpaparking nila sa kahit saan para maghintay ng pasahero. Dapat ring palaparin ang karamihan sa ating makikitid na mga kalsada at lagyan ng dedicated na tricycle/pedicab lane(s) sapagka't ako rin ay naniniwala na ang mga ito ay may malaking role na ginagampanan sa movement ng mga tao ngunit dapat hanggang sa mga secondary at tertiary roads lang ang mga ito. Sa mga primera daanan natin eh dapat may isang modo ng transportasyon na magsisilbing transshipment point para sa mga gagamit ng LRT/MRT/rail. Dapat pag-isipan ang long-term mass transport system sa buong bansa at hindi ang sa kasalukuyan lamang.

[Lucentino]

In many 1st world countries, cars are a necessity. If you cannot afford one, then you have to walk.
Someone in Hawaii got his driver's license revoked and had to take the bus to work everyday... he needed to walk long distances just to get to the bus station. No tricycles!

[el_dasik_oo1]

^sino bang hindi nasakay ng tryk? hehe halos lahat naman ata :D

anyway, share ko lang naisip ko pwede maging solution (hindi ko lang sure kung pwede sa urban cities pero sa mga rural cities/areas pwede siguro ito)..
First there should be regulation of these tricycles.. Magbigay ng alternative programs ang government para sa mga nawalan/mawawalan ng work due to this regulation.

Second, hindi ba me mga jitneys na pumapasada sa mga bara-barangay? There should be some sort of central terminal ng lahat ng public transpo sa mga dulo ng mga ruta. Ngayon san papasok yung mga tryks? Dapat i-segregate ang mga tryks na ito sa iba-ibang areas/baranggay at dun lang sa area na yun sila pwede pumasada. Definitely kapag lumagpas sila sa naka-assign na area sa kanila me multa or something like that.

comments?

[smokingunmanila]

i think there's nothing wrong with having motorcycles on the road....ang problema lang is law enforcement and discipline sa driver. dapat merong separate lanes for motorcycles and for bicycles then enforce the regulations strictly. Just remember that there are so many places yet in pinas not accessible by bus or jeepneys so motorcycle is a big help. Kung sabihin mo lakarin pede rin pero yon eh kung sanay ka mag lakad, kung wala kang mabigat na dala o kaya di ka nag mamadali o kung kaya mo tiisin ang init well eh di sige mag lakad ka.

hay ang dami talagang problema sa pinas na kakulangan sa disiplina lang naman sa gumagamit ang solusyon :ohno:

Exactly my point...most people who uses tricycles are people with heavy loads..like galing sa palengke..and these are women...not men...or even lolas...and of course..roads not accessible by jeep or even cars in the provinces..

[smokingunmanila]

^^ i agree to that... they symbolize poverty (and, i would say, our state of hopelessness)....

Absolutely Untrue!! bakit sa Thailand..the tuktok (thai version of tricycle) is a tourist spectacular..even featured in a commercial and a james bond film...

[smokingunmanila]

Tama ka. Ngunit it's also a sad reality na ang karamihan sa kanila ay abusado at walang disiplina, pinaparking ang kanilang mga tricycle at pedicab sa sidewalk na lalong nagpapakitid sa mga makitid nang mga kalsada. Kung gustong mabigyang solusyon ang isang problema eh dapat tutukan ang pinakarason ng problemang iyon at ang pinakaproblema diyan eh ang kawalan ng disiplina ng iilan sa ating mga tsuper, walang regulasyon sa pagbibigay ng prankisa kaya sobra-sobra ang mga tricycle at pedicab which then results into surplus of supply kaya nagreresulta sa pagpaparking nila sa kahit saan para maghintay ng pasahero. Dapat ring palaparin ang karamihan sa ating makikitid na mga kalsada at lagyan ng dedicated na tricycle/pedicab lane(s) sapagka't ako rin ay naniniwala na ang mga ito ay may malaking role na ginagampanan sa movement ng mga tao ngunit dapat hanggang sa mga secondary at tertiary roads lang ang mga ito. Sa mga primera daanan natin eh dapat may isang modo ng transportasyon na magsisilbing transshipment point para sa mga gagamit ng LRT/MRT/rail. Dapat pag-isipan ang long-term mass transport system sa buong bansa at hindi ang sa kasalukuyan lamang.

Honestly...not only tricycles...I think bus drivers are more mean and evil....compared to these tricycle drivers....they are the monster of the roads....specially in EDSA....may god forgive them for what they do...

[Risk Taker]

^^ hmmm he needed to walk because he don't have a choice but if he have a choice i think it's a different story...sa taiwan naman mga tao don mostly very dependent sa motorcycle. common na yon sa every bahay na 3 or 4 ang motorcyles nila kasi bawat member nang family meron lalo na pag walang car although very convenient din ang means of transpo don. dito naman sa china bikes and motorbikes ang dami dito.


In many 1st world countries, cars are a necessity. If you cannot afford one, then you have to walk.
Someone in Hawaii got his driver's license revoked and had to take the bus to work everyday... he needed to walk long distances just to get to the bus station. No tricycles!

[Risk Taker]

actually ang naisip mo na to ay matagal na meron ang gobyerno yon nga lang kulang sa enforcement, meron nang mga regulations dito sa motorcycle kung san lang sila pede pero kulang talaga sa disiplina at tamad rin yung mga law enforcers kaya sabi ko ang kakulangan sa disiplina ang problema sa atin talaga.


^sino bang hindi nasakay ng tryk? hehe halos lahat naman ata :D

anyway, share ko lang naisip ko pwede maging solution (hindi ko lang sure kung pwede sa urban cities pero sa mga rural cities/areas pwede siguro ito)..
First there should be regulation of these tricycles.. Magbigay ng alternative programs ang government para sa mga nawalan/mawawalan ng work due to this regulation.

Second, hindi ba me mga jitneys na pumapasada sa mga bara-barangay? There should be some sort of central terminal ng lahat ng public transpo sa mga dulo ng mga ruta. Ngayon san papasok yung mga tryks? Dapat i-segregate ang mga tryks na ito sa iba-ibang areas/baranggay at dun lang sa area na yun sila pwede pumasada. Definitely kapag lumagpas sila sa naka-assign na area sa kanila me multa or something like that.

comments?

[smokingunmanila]

In many 1st world countries, cars are a necessity. If you cannot afford one, then you have to walk.
Someone in Hawaii got his driver's license revoked and had to take the bus to work everyday... he needed to walk long distances just to get to the bus station. No tricycles!

What a comparison...no further comment

[Sinjin P.]

Honestly...not only tricycles...I think bus drivers are more mean and evil....compared to these tricycle drivers....they are the monster of the roads....specially in EDSA....may god forgive them for what they do...

Yup and that's a different story and beyond the scope of this thread :D

[athan]

Ok. when did we start having tricycles in the streets in the Philippines anyway? Did it come as a result of abandoned patrol bikes in World War II like the jeepneys?

[Rajah_Soliman]

Absolutely Untrue!! bakit sa Thailand..the tuktok (thai version of tricycle) is a tourist spectacular..even featured in a commercial and a james bond film...

what's untrue there?

[smokingunmanila]

what's untrue there?

That is the tricycle is a sign of paghihirap or something you said earlier...we can reinvent the tricycles and like what thailand did, promoted their tuktok as a tourist attraction

[smokingunmanila]

One thing I annoyed of are tricycles running on main roads and hiways (except NLEX and SLEX). This is not just in Manila but also in the other parts of The Philippines.

A major disadvantage of tricycles is they are slow and are obstructions especially for faster vehicles who have to overtake them. The worst problem is if the main road or highway is only one lane.

I remember my trip from Manila to Olongapo where we had to overtake several tricycles along the way.

How about you, do you consider tricycles a nuisance?

http://www.calvintang.com/albums/Philippines/lg/overloaded%20tricycle.jpg

That is a nice trike...dapat pondohan ng tourism ang mga yan and promote them

[habagatcentral1]

Tricycles in urban areas (especially highly urbanized areas) are slow and yes sometimes bothering. In Imus (Cavite) perhaps, whenever we don't have any other choice from the market going back to Robinsons, we have to cruise the gighway with gargantuan trucks and buses plying around. Its dangerous! I mean, I heard a lot of accidents that happened in Aguinaldo Highway that claimed lives. In Imus, you've got a lot of alternative routes and also with higly urbanized cities.

But for rural areas, its very different. Less alternative routes, frequency of vehicles plying from the outskitrs (Barrios) to the poblacion (town proper) and of course, passenger volume, affordability of the vehicle, the roughness and inaccesibility of locations are the major factors why tricycles still rule the rural areas.



But change topic though, lets go to the trike's cousin: habal-habal. It's everywhere in Visminda area. Single public motorcycle vehicles are becoming popular to urban areas as well (in Cebu and Davao..an alternative to the cab). Its more dangerous than being in a tricycle right?

And I think MMDA is banning the rise of habal-habal in MetroManila as it becomes popular to commuters who wants to escape the traffic jams.

[dinabaw]

did you know majority of road accidents are caused by tricycles/motorcycles , motorcycles alone have 1000 deaths/accidents per day in PI.

[dinabaw]

That is the tricycle is a sign of paghihirap or something you said earlier...we can reinvent the tricycles and like what thailand did, promoted their tuktok as a tourist attraction

tuktuks are mostly used for public utility just like our decorated jeepney .

[tigidig14]

no theyre very useful

[diz]

One time I had to pay 30 Pesos for a ride. Kakainis talaga ang mga iba, taking advantage of children. :lol: But I still think they're useful.

[tyronne]

After reading your comments, biglang sobrang awa naman daw ako sa tatay ko. Yun kasi ang trabaho nya sa bayan namin eh. Pero agree ako, ang dami nang traysikol at sang-ayon din ako na dapat sa mga secondary roads na lang dapat sila mag-ply (hehe ang hirap isipin yung Tagalog term). Pero ang sabihin ng iba na kesyo sa Hawaii pag walang kotse eh magba-bus daw at hindi traysikol ang ginamit, kumusta naman daw yun? Sa mga hindi pa po nakakatuntong sa probinsya, may mga lugar po doon na hindi abot ng jeep. Yung isang kalye magsasanga-sanga pa yan sa dami ng pasikot-sikot. Ang bayan, sobrang daming kilometro ang layo sa bahay nyo so syempre anong gagamitin mo pag wala kang car? Eh di traysikol!

Wag namang alisin sana kasi unang-una mawawalan ng trabaho ang tatay ko. Pangalawa, wala kaming car. Minsan nga kelangan magpadoktor ang kapatid ko sa Dagupan eh naka-traysikol lang kami. Ang layo kaya ng Villasis sa Dagupan. Pangatlo, gaya ng jeep, tatak-Pinoy na yan, 'no! Ang suhestyon ko lang gaya ng iba, huwag nang payagan sa mga highways ang mga traysikol dahil delikado. Parang dito pag nagdrive ka sa freeway, minsan ang mas delikado yung nagpapatakbo nang napakabagal, mga 30mph, kesa yung mga nagpapatakbo nang sobrang tulin. Kaya dapat ang mga traysikol sa mga secondary roads na lang, huwag na sa NLEX, SLEX, or kahit ano pa mang lex-lex yan.

[habagatcentral1]

Ako, I'm not into abolishing the tricycles and jeepneys. Need to say that we should be in touch with reality that our country is not that as accessible and as rich as of other nations who can afford private vehicles or afford to walk.

As long as discipline, traffic management and poverty alleviation is implemented, I'm sure that our public transportation would be "upgraded" somehow in our country.

The rural Philippines however may not be seeing buses plying habal-habal routes yet. There are so many places in our country that are inaccessible. For example, the mountain barangays of Cebu City can be accessed by scheduled jeepneys, tricyles and the infamous habal-habal.

Just think of it, when you're in the province and saw a tricycle in the highway with loads of chickens and people, think of it as that they came from the far away Barrio San Lucas in the hinterlands and this is the only transportation that they can have. That's why I'm having 2nd thoghts in beeping the car whenever I encounter such.

In highly-urbanized areas though, its a different scenario.



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By the way, here's our very own UP Visayas Ikot Trike. Plies and flies in the Campus and the highway. MaxCap: 7 pax. :D

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/BernieMack119.jpg

I mean it, they really fly. They are the exact opposite of slow trikes in the city for despite the capacity, they still run at 70km per hour maximum! (Safety is the main concern of the campus so they regulate the fast-moving trikes in the campus, but outside the premises, the story is different.)

[Rajah_Soliman]

That is the tricycle is a sign of paghihirap or something you said earlier...we can reinvent the tricycles and like what thailand did, promoted their tuktok as a tourist attraction

does that make it a sign of prosperity then?

[Sinjin P.]

Tricycles, a sign of poverty? Oh c'mon, are you implying that only the poorest of the poor ride tricycles? Can the poorest of the poor even afford to pay for a tricycle ride?

[JustHorace]

^^Yeah, tricycles should not be associated with poverty to that extent.

Anyway, as for me, I don't find tricycles as, well, nuisance, as they provide temporary employment for our jobless and usually, uneducated workforce. However, since we are a progressing country after all, I guess the presence of tricycles will cease slowly by itself, as more Filipinos seem to be more well-off and educated.

Do I ride the tricycle? Yes, I do. But only from Ateneo to Katipunan or vice-versa. I never tried other routes. Kaya lang, I feel guilty din kasi walkable naman yung Ateneo-Katipunan.

[dinabaw]

well you have to be educated to be a tricycle driver i mean road educated , but some tricycles are really nuisance plying main roads not bec that is there route para mag shortcut , imo let tricyles ply in far flung areas but in towns and cities they have to go, the problem is that our roads and streets are over crowded na .kailangan lang distributed lang ang employment natin .
I think we drop the mentality na kasi kabuhayan nila kung ganoon ganyan rin ang iisipin natin sa mga domestic helpers natin pumupunta sa abroad ,hanggang diyan nalang tayo .And i don't believe yung mga pumupunta ng Japan dahil yan lang ma pagkikitaan nila ...thats baloney ,we just need a system to reeducate our people .

[Rajah_Soliman]

Tricycles, a sign of poverty? Oh c'mon, are you implying that only the poorest of the poor ride tricycles? Can the poorest of the poor even afford to pay for a tricycle ride?

look at it at a macro-perspective, this is wrong rebuttal imo, or do we uncover something in Sinjin ;) í ride tricyles myself...

[Rajah_Soliman]

^^Yeah, tricycles should not be associated with poverty to that extent.



okay then let's try to associate it with techonological advancement and prosperity... contented?! :cheers:

[tyronne]

I think we drop the mentality na kasi kabuhayan nila kung ganoon ganyan rin ang iisipin natin sa mga domestic helpers natin pumupunta sa abroad ,hanggang diyan nalang tayo .And i don't believe yung mga pumupunta ng Japan dahil yan lang ma pagkikitaan nila ...thats baloney ,we just need a system to reeducate our people .

It's not that. You can't tell what job a person should have because at the end of the day, it's up to them what sort of things they want to do in life. Re-educate yung mga maids na pumupunta sa abroad you said? Why would you do that? The fact is some of them are degree holders in the Philippines, ang daming mga teachers ang pumupunta sa abroad para magtrabaho as caregivers, maids, etc. Pero iba-iba ang motivation ng tao. My point is, if that's the kind of job (tricycle driver, maid, etc) that they want to have, then let them be. Kasi talagang ganun, merong gustong maging ganito, merong gustong maging ganon. Ganun lang yun.

[Lucentino]

http://www.calvintang.com/albums/Philippines/lg/overloaded%20tricycle.jpg

Look how "safe" it is to ride this thing and then you want it to become a tourist attraction? Tuktuks of Thailand is not set-up like this... yung back riders anung proteksyon nila? Yung nasa dulo nga parang malalaglag na kalahati nalang ata nakaupo may nakausli pang bakal/handle dun sa upuan diba? Tapos gigitgitin sya ng isa pang trike o vehicle mula sa likod... good luck nalang sa mga paa nyo...

I myself ride trikes kaya alam ko ma-experience ang walang quality na behikulong ito... Most trikes here in Quezon and Cavite ply the major hi-ways and at night most of them does not have tail nor head lights and some are dilapidated --- God forbid pero most accidents involving trikes sa hi-way are gruesome...

In 1st world countries they have no choice but to walk because their governments does not want to endanger the lives of their people (passengers and other motorists), and cause traffic in major hi-ways, by allowing trikes to operate.

And another thing is the pollution caused by those 2 stroke and noisy engines... buti nga may lumabas na 4 stroke at medyo tahimik pero konti pa gumagamit nito...

Couple these things with undisciplined drivers and voila!... Mas maraming negatives ang dulot nito kesa positives kaya dapat nang alisin... at magkaron ng proper zoning para maging accessible ang mga lugar hindi yung parang tumubong kabute ang mga residential, commercial at industrial areas...

May lugar sa Cavite na sa haba ng pila, pag "patay na oras" hihilata lang sila, yosi, sugal... yun iba masabi lang na may trabaho nag-trike driver na...

Ang pila na ito ang pwedeng maging tourist attraction dahil almost 1 km... both sides of the road pa ang pila ng trikes!:lol:

[JustHorace]

okay then let's try to associate it with techonological advancement and prosperity... contented?! :cheers:

No way! What I meant was it's not always about poverty. I didn't say that it wasn't related to it at all. Read the line again.

Get rid of trikes!

contented?! :cheers:

[smokingunmanila]

does that make it a sign of prosperity then?

You know the answer....that your question has no logic of continuity

[dinabaw]

It's not that. You can't tell what job a person should have because at the end of the day, it's up to them what sort of things they want to do in life. Re-educate yung mga maids na pumupunta sa abroad you said? Why would you do that? The fact is some of them are degree holders in the Philippines, ang daming mga teachers ang pumupunta sa abroad para magtrabaho as caregivers, maids, etc. Pero iba-iba ang motivation ng tao. My point is, if that's the kind of job (tricycle driver, maid, etc) that they want to have, then let them be. Kasi talagang ganun, merong gustong maging ganito, merong gustong maging ganon. Ganun lang yun.


ok got you point, but surveys will show that maids in Singapore or Hongkong are just forced to work as DH bec of lack of jobs opportunities here . wala pa akong narirnig na gusto nilang mag maid dahil mahla nila ang trabaho even the not so educated 1's i agree if you said some caregivers but maids i don't think so. .I am not saying we have to force them what job they take but give them options , yung mga DH puede naman sila mag negosyo or have a decent job . Ito ang narirnig ko sa mga entertainers going to Japan "eh wala kaming ibang mag papakunan ng pera ? Do we really beileve it? They can have their own business or a decent job and the problem is government not providing alternative jobs for overseas workers who wants to stay or have a decent work , talagang ginagatasan .

my point is we have to get rid of branding us when someone ask about the Philippines "maid in the philippines" or "beautiful girls in the philippines" worse i heard so many "beautiful bitches in the philippines" instead of beaches.

[dinabaw]

Look how "safe" it is to ride this thing and then you want it to become a tourist attraction? Tuktuks of Thailand is not set-up like this... yung back riders anung proteksyon nila? Yung nasa dulo nga parang malalaglag na kalahati nalang ata nakaupo may nakausli pang bakal/handle dun sa upuan diba? Tapos gigitgitin sya ng isa pang trike o vehicle mula sa likod... good luck nalang sa mga paa nyo...

I myself ride trikes kaya alam ko ma-experience ang walang quality na behikulong ito... Most trikes here in Quezon and Cavite ply the major hi-ways and at night most of them does not have tail nor head lights and some are dilapidated --- God forbid pero most accidents involving trikes sa hi-way are gruesome...

In 1st world countries they have no choice but to walk because their governments does not want to endanger the lives of their people (passengers and other motorists), and cause traffic in major hi-ways, by allowing trikes to operate.

And another thing is the pollution caused by those 2 stroke and noisy engines... buti nga may lumabas na 4 stroke at medyo tahimik pero konti pa gumagamit nito...

Couple these things with undisciplined drivers and voila!... Mas maraming negatives ang dulot nito kesa positives kaya dapat nang alisin... at magkaron ng proper zoning para maging accessible ang mga lugar hindi yung parang tumubong kabute ang mga residential, commercial at industrial areas...

May lugar sa Cavite na sa haba ng pila, pag "patay na oras" hihilata lang sila, yosi, sugal... yun iba masabi lang na may trabaho nag-trike driver na...

Ang pila na ito ang pwedeng maging tourist attraction dahil almost 1 km... both sides of the road pa ang pila ng trikes!:lol:


This is very correct , its an eyesore seeing this people taking time tapos ang ibang nagsusugal pa,meron rin iba mag kakuntsaba sa pag hoholdup its time to take them out.and the thing pa na pipilit pilitan kang sumakay.

[smokingunmanila]

well you have to be educated to be a tricycle driver i mean road educated , but some tricycles are really nuisance plying main roads not bec that is there route para mag shortcut , imo let tricyles ply in far flung areas but in towns and cities they have to go, the problem is that our roads and streets are over crowded na .kailangan lang distributed lang ang employment natin .
I think we drop the mentality na kasi kabuhayan nila kung ganoon ganyan rin ang iisipin natin sa mga domestic helpers natin pumupunta sa abroad ,hanggang diyan nalang tayo .And i don't believe yung mga pumupunta ng Japan dahil yan lang ma pagkikitaan nila ...thats baloney ,we just need a system to reeducate our people .

Education of the masses should start from us. We have to set examples for them and not fight with them on the road...give way to a lousy and reckless driver...ma konsensya din yun...

[habagatcentral1]

Pero, ask ako opinion sa inyo guys, do we have to eradicate tricycles in the rural areas too? :)

[dinabaw]

^^ yeah i think jeeps will do which has more capacity than the trykes , at saka liit lang naman rural towns natin its time we start our feet work kug hindi naman malayo it helps lessen using fossil fuels and help our ailing environment . kung talagang napaka hirap na abutin yung sa mga far flung areas yung lang dapat may motorcycles , d on't get me wrong here ha i won't deny the trykes ther living but they can have opitons like going back tilling the lands ,maganda na naman ang agriculture natin di ba?

[habagatcentral1]

Pero kung alam nyo lang sana kung paano kahirap pumunta ng mga malalayong lugar sa Pilipinas. Mas papayag siguro ako kung ang trike mababawasan sa mga highly-urbanized areas pero sa rural areas mukha yatang imposible pa sa ngayon.

Sa Vizminda nga, habal-habal o skylab pa ang ginagamit ng iba.

[smokingunmanila]

ok got you point, but surveys will show that maids in Singapore or Hongkong are just forced to work as DH bec of lack of jobs opportunities here . wala pa akong narirnig na gusto nilang mag maid dahil mahla nila ang trabaho even the not so educated 1's i agree if you said some caregivers but maids i don't think so. .I am not saying we have to force them what job they take but give them options , yung mga DH puede naman sila mag negosyo or have a decent job . Ito ang narirnig ko sa mga entertainers going to Japan "eh wala kaming ibang mag papakunan ng pera ? Do we really beileve it? They can have their own business or a decent job and the problem is government not providing alternative jobs for overseas workers who wants to stay or have a decent work , talagang ginagatasan .

my point is we have to get rid of branding us when someone ask about the Philippines "maid in the philippines" or "beautiful girls in the philippines" worse i heard so many "beautiful bitches in the philippines" instead of beaches.

Out of topic nato sa tricycle...reminder lang..wag kayo mag generalize sa mga tao..na ang maid, drivers , etc kung ano ano....that is a very wrong presumption..baka may maid dyan eh mas matalino pa sa inyo...just be carefule

[WANCH]

tuktuks are mostly used for public utility just like our decorated jeepney .

When I was in Manila, I saw some tuktuks on the street.

[Lucentino]

Pero kung alam nyo lang sana kung paano kahirap pumunta ng mga malalayong lugar sa Pilipinas. Mas papayag siguro ako kung ang trike mababawasan sa mga highly-urbanized areas pero sa rural areas mukha yatang imposible pa sa ngayon.

Sa Vizminda nga, habal-habal o skylab pa ang ginagamit ng iba.

Pls. see my earlier post here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=12795796&postcount=13

TO QUOTE: "might be the best means of transport in rural areas --- but highly urbanized locations must no longer accomodate them --- because it can really become a headache... not to mention the smoke from those 2 stroke engines!"

NOTE: Trikes are even difficult to use in far flung areas of the country especially during rainy season when dirt roads turn into mud or mini-ponds... this can be clearly illustrated if you go to Bondoc Peninsula in Quezon... the trikes we are talking about here are not the "all terrain" type of vehicle... people in those areas just dont have a choice so they use whatever is available and economical, and in this case, its the trikes...

[WawaY[625]]

Sa Vizminda nga, habal-habal o skylab pa ang ginagamit ng iba.


yang ang dapat unang i-ban..karamihan dyan mga wala namang alam sa pagmamaneho ng motorsiklo..kaya ayun dami nadidsgrasya..patay


are tricycles a nuisance..(sa city)..tinatanong pa ba yun? :lol:

[Lucentino]

Compare and Contrast:

The Philippine Tricycle
http://www.calvintang.com/albums/Philippines/lg/overloaded%20tricycle.jpg
Crude, unsafe, cramped, what have you... who could be more proud of these?

Thailand Tuktuk
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8097/zthailandtuktukim9.jpg
For tourists you say?... Our Jeepneys are a better attraction than these Tuktuks --- but its a different story...

I would trade the trike for these tuktuks any time!...:)

[rage@cebu]

tricycles are not nuissance sa mga daan... i.ban nyo kya lahat ng modes of transpo... ang dami reklamo di2... mas.maganda sa ibang bansa daw...

nuissance:
1. undisciplined drivers
2. mga bobo na pasahero
3. mga corrupt na taga LTO

solution: kung ayaw niyo sumakay di maglakad kayo... ang tindi ng summer! discpline sa sarili lng po!

[Sinjin P.]

1. Enhance Implementation of City
Ordinance on the Use of Silencers in
Tricycles (Short Term)

As previously discussed, it is deduced that
most of the tricycle silencers, although
installed, are no longer functioning as the
noise level measured at the tailpipe shows
that almost all of the tricycles surveyed
exceeded the standard set under European
Commission for Europe (ECE) 41. Chances are
the silencers are not properly installed due to
the limited knowledge of the drivers. This
usually happens during engine cleanup,
wherein the silencer is detached in order to
remove the carbon deposits in the unit. With
the appropriate preventive maintenance
training to be initiated by the LGUs,
silencers could be prohibited. This will then
ensure that the silencers attached to the
motorcycles are indeed functional.
Similarly, the LGUs should institutionalize
the use of silencers among the drivers.
Although the drivers signified in the survey
that they use silencers, spot inspections
conducted during the study proved otherwise.
In Quezon City, for instance, City
Ordinance No. SP-1227 series of 2003,
requires the silencer installation in all
tricycles and thus, 83% of the driverrespondents
indicated that they use silencers.
However, given the average noise level
measured in the area (78-85 dB) under
running conditions, it is suspected that
silencers may be malfunctioning. Moreover, it
is recommended that the Ordinance be
revisited and appropriate corrective actions
be done. Flaws on this ordinance were
identified, which include among others: (i) the
law does not impose penalty, (ii) it mandates
noise pollution emission testing but not as a
requisite for registration, (iii) its enforcement
is weak as the implementing unit (TRU) lacks
the equipment to measure tricycle noise
levels, (iv) it requires a noise standard of 90
dB for tricycles in residential areas, which is
not even acceptable for heavy industrial areas
which is only 80 dB, and (v) there is a need for
the TRU and even for the LGU to strengthen
capacities in order to ensure effective
enforcement of this ordinance.
In Puerto Princesa City, there is an
existing City Ordinance that mandates the use
of silencer and violation from such will result in
a penalty of P50. Tricycle drivers, however,
admitted that they would rather pay the
nominal penalty than the expensive repair. It is
therefore suggested that the said Ordinance be
updated for a more effective implementation.

[Risk Taker]

Out of topic nato sa tricycle...reminder lang..wag kayo mag generalize sa mga tao..na ang maid, drivers , etc kung ano ano....that is a very wrong presumption..baka may maid dyan eh mas matalino pa sa inyo...just be carefule

ha ha ot rin to pero yes with maids...classmate nang sis ko, high school valedictorian...UP graduate naging maid rin sa hongkong...actually ang daming college graduates na maid. matatalino kaso nga lang ang iba di talaga sinuwerte sa paghanap nang trabaho sa pinas kaya napilitan na maging maid na lang sa ibang bansa.

back to topic....yeah abolish the trikes but only after they make jeepneys and buses accessible to almost all areas. ang hirap ata pag walang trikes kung pareho lang ang routes nang buses at jeepneys ngayon. so i reiterate again yung sinabi ko sa previous posts ko, disiplina lang ang kulang at mahigpit na law enforcement ang kelangan natin.

[Sinjin P.]

2. Require Frequent Emission Testing
(Medium Term)

The current emission-test requirement is
not sufficient to resolve air pollution from
mobile sources. In reality, it is just procedural
on the part of the tricycle drivers because oneday
compliance in a year does not guarantee
compliance for the remaining 364 days.
Arranged and nonappearance emission tests
and vehicle registration is also rampant in the
subsector for just a few extra charges. For the
tricycle driver, this becomes more practical
than going through all the procedures. This
scenario makes the whole emission test
requirement useless.

It is therefore recommended that at least
semiannual emission tests be required among
tricycles and motorcycles. In order to do this
without creating a market for private emission
testing centers (PETC) or passing additional
cost burden to the drivers, it is recommended
that the City government explore possible
arrangements with PETCs initially. One
alternative is to arrange for a reduced fee (say,
P70 per test, in which semiannual tests will be
more or less the same with the existing
emission fee). This could be done through a
memorandum of agreement (MOA) between
the PETC and FTODA, attested by the LGUs.

[Sinjin P.]

3. Periodic Roadside Monitoring
(Medium Term)

Annual emission tests do not solve the
problem on vehicular emissions because it is
only a day of inspection. A periodic emissions
monitoring program may offer better results.
Roadside monitoring needs to be done at
random in order to determine the actual
emissions from tricycles.

For Quezon City, since the local
government is burdened with acquiring its
own gas analyzer, it is suggested that the Air
Quality Monitoring Section of DENR be
tapped for periodic roadside monitoring under
a collaborative effort.

In the case of Puerto Princesa City, the
government has its own gas analyzer, which
could be used for periodic roadside monitoring.
There is a need, however, to enhance the
technical capacities of the LGU, specifically
the City Environment and Natural Resources
Office (CENRO) in conducting the tricycle
tailpipe emission monitoring. It is therefore
suggested that coordination with the
Department of Science and Technology
(DOST) should be forged for capacity building
for the authorized personnel in the LGU.

[Sinjin P.]

B. Mandatory Orientation of Tricycle
Drivers (Short Term)

Educating the target sector is one way of
solving an issue. Mandatory orientation is
leveling of expectations between the traffic
enforcers and tricycle drivers by clarifying the
City’s traffic ordinances and policies, as well as
admonishing roadworthiness among the drivers.

The Tricycle Regulatory Unit (TRU) may
pass an ordinance requiring all tricycle drivers
to undergo the orientation. Traffic enforcers
should be tapped while experts can also be
sourced from other firms or institutions. It is
expected to achieve high level of service (LOS)
on the road when the users are educated. It
could even reduce accidents and risk.

After 100% orientation, a pilot run must
be made to assess the traffic situation. Once
implemented, there must be associated
penalties on the violations. New applicants
will be required to undergo the same process;
this way double checking of driver’s license
can also be addressed.

Orientation alone may not resolve the
traffic congestion problems. As such, the
following activities are also proposed to
supplement the program:

[Sinjin P.]

1. Ban on Street Parking (Short Term)

Tricycles tend to park or make long stops
along their route, which are the tertiary and
secondary roads (in some areas). This behavior
causes delays and at times accidents due to
limited road space. Prohibiting the tricycle
from this action will help alleviate the traffic
flows where traffic delays can be lessened.
Available tricycles parked on the street may
be convenient for some passengers but the risk
associated with this is also a major concern.
This can be lessened if there will be no
obstruction along the roads.

For this purpose, it is suggested that onstreet
parking be banned through a city
ordinance. The LGUs should provide enforcers
who can rove around their areas of jurisdiction
while a corresponding terminal must be made
available for the tricycles.

As a complementary solution, a
transportation hub can be established
whenever possible. A transportation hub is
basically a convergence terminal of the
available modes of public transportation
where transferability is made easy since
commuters will not roam around the CBD in
order to get a ride. Some transport hubs are
poorly planned that they create more
problems to the environment. The local
authorities should carefully assess the
available land resources in their area near the
CBD. The ideal hub must have a good
circulation system, shaded walkways, ample
space for vehicle parking, free from street
vendors and, lastly, with high-ceiling
structure and enough ventilation..

[Sinjin P.]

2. Enhancement of Tricycle Database
(Short Term)

There is a great need to improve the
tricycle data at the city government level. The
registration data from the Land
Transportation Office (LTO) for motorcycle
and tricycle is in a single account and for the
entire provinces of Metro Manila and
Palawan. Similarly, the registration data are
misleading because tricycles cannot be
isolated. Monitoring of tricycles can also be
erroneous because the motorcycles can be
easily detached while the sidecar has no
registration plate in most areas.

In the case of Quezon City, what has been
done so far by TRU is to mandate the
provision of a body number and the name of
service area on the sidecar’s front and rear
body.

Other data that requires improvement are
actual population, actual services areas, route
specifications, registration validity of tricycles
units especially in Quezon City where some
tricycles are also serving the adjacent cities of
Marikina and Caloocan, plans and programs
for the sector, completeness of ordinances,
review of pending resolutions and evaluation
of TODAs. The LGUs should form a Study
Team or tap specialized institutions to assess
the data gaps at TRU’s end (or its equivalent
agency) and formulate a strategy to address
other requirements. The LGUs should also set
aside a budget to finance the data collection
and maintenance.

[Sinjin P.]

3. Regulation of Tricycle Load
(Short to Medium Term)

Load regulation strategy is a control
mechanism to limit the pressure on an engine
originally designed for two people. Present
tricycle market has no restrictions on load. In
Quezon City for instance, notice that an
ordinance in this connection has been passed
(No.SP-358,S-94) 10 years ago but most of the
drivers confirmed that they load as much as 5
to 10 passengers in a tricycle. It is therefore
recommended that review and effective
implementation of such ordinance be done.

In Puerto Princesa City, on the other
hand, the agricultural and tourism activities
in the area should be considered in
determining the appropriate load in order to
match the passengers’ transport needs.

Another factor is the road condition, in which
most of the tertiary roads in the City are
deteriorated. The combined effect of the load
and road condition yields stress on the engine
and tricycle parts. As such, it is suggested that
the maximum tolerable number of load should
be 2 passengers, or 1 passenger and a luggage
that weighs almost equal to 1 average person
(that is, 75 kg).

With tricycle load being regulated, it is
expected that the service life of the chain and
sprocket will be extended from 6 months to 8
months. The total reduction of load is around
54.5 kg. There is an expected P114 ($2)
savings on maintenance plus a lesser risk of
exposure to danger and better stability due to
lesser load.

Penalty can be imposed to put pressure on
the drivers to comply. It should be emphasized
that overloading poses great risk both to the
passengers and road users. Considering that
the demand for tricycle services is inelastic, it
is possible for the TODAs to impose higher
fares to compensate the cost of reducing load.

[Sinjin P.]

4. Road Assessment and Isolation/
Rerouting of Tricycles
(Short to Medium Term)

Isolating and /or rerouting the tricycles
from the other modes can be a promising
traffic reduction program. High level of service
(LOS) will be experienced on both main road
and new route. It will also minimize the risk
between the tricycles and the bigger modes.

Isolating and/or rerouting strategy is to
separate small three-wheelers from bigger
transport modes. Mixing both modes add more
friction to the traffic. The idea is similar to the
expressways where a service road is provided
for slower vehicles with shorter travel while
vehicles on the expressway move with high
speed. In some areas where there is
inadequate land resource, the immediate
alternative will be traffic rerouting for the
tricycles (short-term plan). The LGUs should
pursue the rerouting as the initial step in
improving traffic and road safety. This
strategy will be more beneficial if
complemented with a plan that will identify
and acquire a road right-of-way (RROW) to
cater to the residential environment, in which
budget for acquisition will be required. This
should be coordinated with the DPWH for
proper execution.

For Puerto Princesa City, three TODAs
plying along Rizal Avenue and around the
poblacion will be affected with the rerouting
scheme. About 11 TODAs taking the Malvar-
National Highway route will also be affected.
In general, all tricycles plying the Rizal
Avenue may be diverted to the adjacent streets
without passing the main road. Although
operation in the said avenue will be
prohibited, tricycles may be allowed to pass
through as they are redirected to their newly
designated routes. It has been observed that
Malvar Street absorbs 55% of the tricycle
routes and most of these routes are directed
outside the poblacion. Also, the long-haul trips
to Sabang and El Nido also traverse this route,
most of which are over-sized jeepneys and
medium-sized buses with terminals located
near the west end of Malvar St. On top of that,
the temporary wet market and other major
establishments are situated along this road.
Although Malvar Street is a 4-lane, 2-way
road that should be enough to accommodate
the current travel demand, the absence of
shoulder recess for boarding and alighting,
coupled with a mix mode of small- to mediumsized
public transport, makes the road
chronically congested. Even with the
relocation of the public market, it is expected
that the congestion in this street will prevail
due to the volume of vehicular flows.

Therefore, a daily inventory of the
congested areas along Malvar Street should be
made to pinpoint the major contributors. Also,
an on-site route-specific study should be made
to carefully pilot and gauge the total impact in
redirecting tricycle routes away from this
street. The LGU can also complement the
rerouting scheme with terminal relocation,
transfer of establishments, no-parking road
policy, new by-pass roads, or one-way street
conversion. Also, pedestrian controls like
fenced sidewalks and designated pedestrian
lanes are necessary since there are no specific
crosswalks for the people; allowing them to
cross the street anywhere causes slower
vehicular traffic.

[Sinjin P.]

C. Tricycle Volume Reduction Program
(Short Term)

The tricycle volume reduction program
(TVRP) must be used as an independent
measure to reduce traffic as well as emission
levels. This entails a one-day off among
tricycle drivers within the same TODA.
Localizing this program at the barangay level
will provide for more effective implementation
since the TODA members themselves will
monitor and apprehend any illegal tricycle
operations.

With an estimated 14% reduction in
traffic volume in Quezon City, there will be
corresponding 17 additional trips for the
drivers, translating to an increase in their
income. Estimated reduction on HC will be
123,435,000 ppm per week and 2% CO
reduction per unit. Given the proper
arrangement with the TODAs and traffic
management groups, a one-year window is
enough to start its implementation.

In Puerto Princesa City, however, a 20%
reduction in traffic volume is estimated. This
could translate to 17 additional trips for the
drivers, reduction on HC of about 123,435,000
ppm per week, reduction on CO of about 2%
per unit.

This can be easily implemented in a year’s
time given the proper arrangement with the
TODAs and traffic management groups. TVRP
should not be mixed with future traffic
reduction programs for bigger modes. It should
be applied independently since tricycles
operate differently. This strategy could be
applied to all areas within the city regardless
of urbanization level.

This could also be made mandatory
through a city-wide ordinance from the LGUs
and should cover even the outskirts of the city
bordering the neighboring areas. There must
also be enhancement of local capacities in
undertaking monitoring and apprehension at
the barangay level. Similarly, traffic enforcers
at the barangay level should be intensified in
this connection.

To ensure the success of the program, it is
suggested that the following supplementary
activities be conducted as well:

[rage@cebu]

dun kyo dapat sa QC mag try... imagine niyo lng ang buhay dun kung walang tricycle... faet!

[Sinjin P.]

1. Elimination of Illegal / Colorum
Tricycle Units (Short Term)

During the site inspections conducted by
ADB, it has been observed that a number of
tricycles are operating illegally. Most of the
TODA representatives and barangay captains
expressed serious concerns on tricycles that
are operating illegally in various routes and
utilizing public roads as terminals. The
implementation of TVRP in the absence of
control mechanisms on these illegal tricycles
will defeat the traffic-reduction purpose and
put the franchised tricycle drivers in a
disadvantaged position.

However, illegal operators signified their
interests in applying for franchise as they
usually end up paying bribes to traffic
personnel. Considering the volume of
franchise applicants and the tedious process of
applications due to the limited number
allowed to operate in a particular route, there
is very low probability for a new tricycle
operator to get a franchise in a year or two.
Total franchise application fee does not exceed
P5,000 per unit. But the current system
creates a market among tricycle drivers to
trade the franchise among themselves for as
much as P25,000. It is therefore suggested
that TVRP be complemented with process
simplification and policy modifications in
tricycle franchise applications.

Similarly, the absence of identification
codes encourages the proliferation of illegal
units. In Quezon City, body color is used to
identify the TODA as well as facilitate
identification of illegal units. In Puerto
Princesa City however, there is no existing
ordinance on body color for the tricycle. The
current system of using a sticker in the front
end of the sidecar as identification is not as
effective as body color since the former
requires tedious vehicle inspection. The
danger of implementing a TVRP without using
body color is the possible operation of affected
tricycles in other routes, thus causing further
traffic congestion. The body color can be used
to identify specific routes where tricycles
should operate, and be subjected to their
route’s TVRP scheme.

To supplement the body color scheme, a
body number and TODA name painted on the
front and rear end would be practical to adopt.
The two control mechanisms can help address
the problem on illegal units. The current
situation has loose control measures due to the
absence of these. A body number can avoid
sidecar switching and therefore, minimize
illegal operations.

The body color used in Quezon City is
placed on the front panel where it can be
visible to the public. The number is six inches
high; above it is the TODA name and
underneath is the name of the city. A body
number also provides additional control in
case body colors are duplicated in another
TODA. Body numbers could significantly
contribute to the implementation of TVRP by
providing highly visible identifications that
could easily determine if such tricycle unit is
allowed to operate on a particular day of the
week, in such particular route.

[venntro]

2. Require Frequent Emission Testing
(Medium Term)

The current emission-test requirement is
not sufficient to resolve air pollution from
mobile sources. In reality, it is just procedural
on the part of the tricycle drivers because oneday
compliance in a year does not guarantee
compliance for the remaining 364 days.
Arranged and nonappearance emission tests
and vehicle registration is also rampant in the
subsector for just a few extra charges. For the
tricycle driver, this becomes more practical
than going through all the procedures. This
scenario makes the whole emission test
requirement useless.

It is therefore recommended that at least
semiannual emission tests be required among
tricycles and motorcycles. In order to do this
without creating a market for private emission
testing centers (PETC) or passing additional
cost burden to the drivers, it is recommended
that the City government explore possible
arrangements with PETCs initially. One
alternative is to arrange for a reduced fee (say,
P70 per test, in which semiannual tests will be
more or less the same with the existing
emission fee). This could be done through a
memorandum of agreement (MOA) between
the PETC and FTODA, attested by the LGUs.

^^ Who conducted the study? Who issued this report?

[Sinjin P.]

D. Restriction on New and Renewal
Tricycle Franchise Application with
Engines more than 15 Years
(Short Term)

Important consideration should be made in
discouraging the use of engines that have been
operational for a long time. Technically, tricycle
performance is reduced as it ages and therefore,
the use of old units should be prohibited.

Previous discussions show that tricycles
beyond 15 years in operations are major
sources of air and noise pollution. Therefore,
initial target could be set at tricycles with age
above 15 years. In doing so, it is recommended
that any application, either new or renewal,
for tricycle units with motorcycle engines
beyond 15 years old be disallowed. Over time,
the target prohibition should be gradually
reduced to tricycles with age more than 10
years. This will encourage the use of new and
therefore more efficient tricycle fleet in the
cities while promoting more efficient transport
modes at the same time.

To prevent resistance or public dispute
from the affected tricycle drivers, it is
recommended that this strategy be
accompanied with a trade-in option or
financial assistance for those who would like
to buy new motorcycle units. Such
arrangement can be explored with motorcycle
manufacturers to determine whether this
option is acceptable to them.

Buy-back, on the other hand, may not be
advisable considering the procurement and
disposal issues involved. First, an LGU buying
old and inefficient vehicles (which can be
classified as waste) may be questioned
considering the current government
procurement practices. Second, if such units
will be bought and relocated in other areas,
the problem of air and noise pollution is not
reduced but shifted to another location. Third,
considering that there is very short serviceable
life remaining for such vehicles, LGUs will
soon face disposal problems. Fourth, the
purchase of these old and inefficient vehicles
could drain the LGU’s financial resources. A
motorcycle unit of 15 years and above is
estimated to cost about P10,000 ($185) the
most. Given 1,305 affected units in Quezon
City and 256 units in Puerto Princesa City,
the buy-back option could cost the LGUs about
P13.05 million ($233,450) and P2.56 million
($45,800) respectively for the first year alone.
Considering that there are vehicles that will
be reaching the cut-off age in the succeeding
years, it could result to a tremendous financial
burden on the part of the LGUs.

Similarly, the following activities are
suggested to supplement the program:

[Sinjin P.]

^^ Who conducted the study? Who issued this report?

http://www.adb.org/Documents/Studies/air-noise-pollution/chap5.pdf

-----------------------------

1. Phase-in of More Efficient Engines
(Short Term to Medium Term)

As the franchise restriction program
allows the entry of new vehicles, it is
suggested that the use of more efficient
engines and cleaner technologies be
encouraged as well in the short to medium
term. Emission tests conducted shows that
4-strokes have lower hydrocarbon emissions
compared to 2-stroke engines at idle and
running conditions. Technically, it also has
very low CO emission if maintained properly.
A 4-stroke motorcycle engine, however, is
expected to cost an additional upfront cost of
P1,000 ($18) to P5,000 ($92) upon
procurement compared to a 2-stroke engine.

Additional maintenance and labor cost
amounting to P2,200 ($40) is also expected per
year since more parts have to be maintained
upon conversion to a tricycle. However, since
4-stroke is fuel-efficient compared with
2-stroke, it is expected to reduce fuel
consumption by 10-20% or an equivalence of
P4,700 ($86) per year. Lubricant consumption
will also be eliminated, translating to lube
savings of P5,400 ($99) per year. Therefore,
the additional maintenance and labor cost will
be offset while the additional upfront cost for
procurement is expected to recover within 6
months of operations.

On the other hand, extra precaution
should be exercised as 4-strokes are known
sources of nitrogen oxides. A number of tests
are currently being conducted in other
countries that include the application of
catalytic converters in order to address these
problems. However, in the absence of
appropriate tests for Philippine application, it
is recommended that adequate maintenance
be encouraged among tricycle drivers. As such,
this could also be tied up with the strategy
initially proposed on preventive maintenance.

Also, the use of 4-stroke engines should not be
used as an exemption from the coverage of
standards set under the Clean Air Act (CAA),
as well as from periodic roadside monitoring
program proposed previously..

[Sinjin P.]

2. Strict Monitoring of Lube Quality
(Short Term)

During site inspections conducted by ADB,
it was observed that informal gasoline and
lubricant store or takal (repacked in small
amounts) are rampant in several areas in both
cities. The case is much severe in Puerto
Princesa City where there are only three
gasoline stations, which are all located in the
CBD. Tricycles operating in distant areas have
no choice but to resort to takals. The drivers’
mode of operation also makes takals attractive
given that their income is realized in small
amounts and only when services are rendered.
In that way, they do not have to line up at a
gasoline station to buy a liter of two of gasoline
every now and then. However, since gasoline
and lubes are repacked, the tricycle drivers
may not be aware of the source from which they
were acquired, as well as on possible
adulteration or contamination of qualities.

In general, all lubricants look the same,
regardless of brand and source. Therefore, it is
difficult for a tricycle driver to determine if the
lube being sold is refined, treated (used oil but
undergo treatment) or untreated (used oil that
undergo simple sedimentation process) once
poured into smaller containers. Sometimes,
the driver themselves pay little attention on
the type of oil as they are more concerned
about the cost. Refined lube usually costs P90
($1.65) per liter while treated lube costs
around P65 ($1.20) per liter. Used and
untreated lube, commonly sourced from used
transformer oils, costs only P20 ($0.37) per
liter. If the driver intends to minimize his
operational costs, he would be tempted to buy
the cheapest which is the used and untreated
oil. Considering that in a 2-stroke, the fuel
and oil are mixed in the combustion chamber.
Thus, lower lube grade has lower combustion
efficiency that results to higher CO and HC
emissions.

To address this issue, it is recommended
that the City government coordinate with the
Department of Energy (DOE) in monitoring
the quality of lubricants sold in the retail
stores. Random testing can be done by DOE,
since they have the personnel and equipment,
but the local government should assist in
identifying the locations of these stores as well
as ensure the safety of the DOE personnel.
Similarly, the local government should assist
the DOE in promoting its proper disposal
campaign of used oil at the gasoline stations,
considering that used oil is classified as a
hazardous waste under Republic Act 6969. It
could also be beneficial to accredit or partner
with some vendors to sell fuel and lubricant in
the remote areas after formal arrangements
from the gas stations.

In Puerto Princesa City, the limited
operations of gasoline stations due to market
disincentives should be considered in making
fuel and lube available in distant areas. One
possibility is to establish a cooperative in each
TODA, which will then administer the retail
selling of fuel and lube among its memberdrivers
and operators. The cooperative can
enter into partnership with oil companies or
gasoline stations to guarantee product quality
and promote environmental and health safety
in product handling, storage, and waste
disposal. The gas refilling stations to be
managed by the cooperative can be housed in
the tricycle terminals and repair service
stations as suggested previously.

[Sinjin P.]

E. Promotion of Alternative
Transportation
(Medium to Long Term)

There is a need for a low-emission
transport mode to replace the tricycle.
Alternative transport, in any sense, is a mode
that can both be practical and environment friendly.

There is no competition with tricycle
in terms of practicality especially in areas
where tricycles are the main mode of transport
in collector roads. But medium-sized vehicles
like multicabs can be an option. The multicab
is a 4-stroke transport mode with higher
occupancy and capacity that emits lesser
pollutants. Fares can be made competitive due
to higher occupancy. Tricycles generally
charge higher fare across the metropolis, e.g.,
P6-P10 per person. There is potential fuel
savings compared to tricycles, and is expected
to yield higher income.

Prior to its implementation, a market
study is needed to determine (i) the extent of
possible competition with other modes, (ii) the
appropriate area especially those with no
tricycles yet, (iii) availability of support
services like gas stations, repair shops, parts
supply, and (iii) passenger demand.

[crappypants]

yes and they are no. 1 smoke belchers. they impede productivity by causing traffic on those secondary roads. the benefit they give to a few trike drivers is negated by the environment and productivity costs they produce. just try driving behind them. they should be slowly phased out for a more efficient public transport, maybe a minibus like they do in other countries.
plant more trees so people can walk the short distances, it will lessen diabetes and heart ailments in the country.
sometimes we need to bite the bullet people to experience any gain.

[venntro]

http://www.adb.org/Documents/Studies/air-noise-pollution/chap5.pdf



Wow, this is an ADB report. The government should take note of this if it hasn't yet taken note of it.

[habagatcentral1]

Oo nga, ang skylab kaya at ang habal-habal? Ano kaya ang opinyon nyo dito? Kahit na nga sa UP Mindanao sa Davao, yun pa rin ang primary mode of transportation from Mintal proper papuntang campus.

Ako mismo takot akong sumakay ng habal-habal kung ihahambing mo sa traysikel. Angkop siguro kung ang mga traysikel sa Maynila ay mananatili na lamang sa mga barangay o di kaya sa mga subdibisyon o mga ikalawang daraanan (secondary roads).

Sa mga probinsya, madali man sabihin na unti-unting bawasan ang mga traysikel pero sa katotohanan mahirap naman itong gawin. Ang pagbabago sa sistema sa sektor ng transportasyon ay hindi ganoon kabilis isagawa. Maraming mga kadahilanan na dapat alalahanin para makaabot sa susunod na antas ang sektor na ito sa ating bansa.


@ADB Report. Dapat nga sana pag-aralan ng maigi ng pamahalaan ang ulat sapagkat ito'y makakatulong sa pag-unlad ng bansa. Ang masaklap nga lang dito sa Pilipinas.....nevermind.

[Sinjin P.]

Kung palagi nalang gagawing palusot na "mahirap gawin, maraming masasagasaan", wala talaga tayong maaasahang pagsulong. ;)

[rage@cebu]

Oo nga, ang skylab kaya at ang habal-habal? Ano kaya ang opinyon nyo dito? Kahit na nga sa UP Mindanao sa Davao, yun pa rin ang primary mode of transportation from Mintal proper papuntang campus.

Ako mismo takot akong sumakay ng habal-habal kung ihahambing mo sa traysikel. Angkop siguro kung ang mga traysikel sa Maynila ay mananatili na lamang sa mga barangay o di kaya sa mga subdibisyon o mga ikalawang daraanan (secondary roads).

Sa mga probinsya, madali man sabihin na unti-unting bawasan ang mga traysikel pero sa katotohanan mahirap naman itong gawin. Ang pagbabago sa sistema sa sektor ng transportasyon ay hindi ganoon kabilis isagawa. Maraming mga kadahilanan na dapat alalahanin para makaabot sa susunod na antas ang sektor na ito sa ating bansa.


@ADB Report. Dapat nga sana pag-aralan ng maigi ng pamahalaan ang ulat sapagkat ito'y makakatulong sa pag-unlad ng bansa. Ang masaklap nga lang dito sa Pilipinas.....nevermind.

ksi ang habal2x lng ang mode of transportation na bagay sa bundok...

kahit taxi, surrender sa daan (grabe ang tirik) papunta sa amin! unique naman ang transpo sa pinas! learn to appreciate pinoy!

[habagatcentral1]

Kung palagi nalang gagawing palusot na "mahirap gawin, maraming masasagasaan", wala talaga tayong maaasahang pagsulong. ;)

Hay Sinjin, sana nga naman isa ka sa mga taong ganyan ang pag-iisip sapagkat kailangan na talaga ng pagbabago sa bansa natin. Pero dapat mamulat ka sa katotohanan. Kailangan talaga natin ng mga taong babanga sa status quo para sa ikabubuti ng ating bansa.

Sa wari ko lamang, hindi lubusang mawawala ang dakilang traysikel sa mga lansangan ng Pilipinas pero kung uungkatin ang mga kadahilanan mula sa ugat nito....sabi ng iba ay kahirapan, ang iba ay kabuhayan, ang iba ang inaccessibility doon mo makikita at doon mo mahahanapan ng lunas kung paano maiaangat ang antas ng sektor ng ating transportasyon.

Ano ba yan...napalalim yata ako rito. :D


Matanong ko: "Galit ba kayo sa mga tricycles o mga drivers nito at para yatang ayaw na ayaw nyo sa kanila?"

[Sinjin P.]

@rage: Ngunit may mga permit at license to operate ba yang mga habal-habal na iyan? Inaako ba nila ang kanilang responsibilidad sa mga pasahero?

[habagatcentral1]

@rage: Ngunit may mga permit at license to operate ba yang mga habal-habal na iyan?

Ang masaklap, karamihan sa kanila, wala.

Pero ano nga ba ang masasakyan mo papuntang bundok? Dito pa nga lang sa Cebu, kung pupunta ka ng Tops (kung susuko na ang de-LPG na taksi) o di kaya sa mga mabubundok na bahagi nito, wala ng iba pang uri ng transportasyon kundi ang habal-habal dahil ito lamang ang nakakadaan sa mga makikitid at matatarik na lugar dito sa Pilipinas.

[rage@cebu]

@rage: Ngunit may mga permit at license to operate ba yang mga habal-habal na iyan?

meron yata... they are even regulated by the barangay and city govt... hinuhuli ng CITOM at deputized tanods ang walang helmet, license, uniforms (TOMMY jackets), overloading....

just try lng pumunta sa amin na maglakad.... mahirap papunta sa talaga sa amin...

but the view... cool, fresh air... worth it naman....

[smokingunmanila]

I for one appreciate the use of tricycles...lalo na kung ayokong dalhin sasakyan ko..may mga daan na shortcut talaga ang mga tricycle at convenient..distance like 2 kilometers ang layo...lalo na kung may meeting ka or schedule....and I know..tons of filipinos needs these tricycles....ayoko sila sa daan pero..dapat isipin natin yung nakakarami na may pangagailangan nito....

[Lucentino]

Operating crude and dangerous means of transport into "difficult to access areas" is not a solution --- lumapit kayo kay mayor or congressman na isulong ang pagpapagawa ng maayos na daan papunta sa inyo, upang maabot kayo ng maayos na transportasyon... bakit magtitiis kayo sa delikadong paraan?

kung mabundok naman ang lugar, kelangan i-define kung protected area o hindi... pag protected, then hindi ito residential at pasensya kayo kung walang byahe dyan... kung hindi protected, pwede gumawa ng maayos na kalsada papunta sa inyo... kung ang Baguio nasa bundok nagawan ng kalsada, kahit simpleng barangay road lang sana papunta sa mga nayon ay ok na...

madaling sabihin mahirap gawin --- dahil ba walang political will?

[habagatcentral1]

^^ Sana nga yan ang ginagawa ng mga pulitiko sa bansa. Maayos na daanan sa mga rural na lugar. Pero kabi't kabilang mga kadahilanan ang mga nagiging rason para maisa-ayos ang mga "difficult to access areas".

1.) Pulitikong buwaya (kurakot)
2.) Lack of genuine political will
3.) Lack of action from the people
4.) Nice People Around the rural areas collecting taxes and tributos
5.) Ongoing offensives against the rebels.
6.) Badyet

[Lucentino]

^^ merun nga sa Metro Manila at iba pang lugar na ang terminal ng trikes e ginagawang "gatasan" if u know what i mean... kaya di pwedeng mawala ang mga ito kasi wala na rin silang kita hehehe...

so ang trikes and habals pala points to other deep rooted problems... kumbaga sa simpleng ubo, ito ay pwedeng pag ugatan ng marami pang ibang sakit...

oh man! act now or pay later... :lol:

[habagatcentral1]

^^ Pati na ang maliit (may iilang pulis o di kaya MMDA o kung ano mang traffic enforcer kung minsan) at malalaking isda (Lam nyo na kung sino mga iyan) ang madadamay, hehehehe!!!! :lol:

[rage@cebu]

Operating crude and dangerous means of transport into "difficult to access areas" is not a solution --- lumapit kayo kay mayor or congressman na isulong ang pagpapagawa ng maayos na daan papunta sa inyo, upang maabot kayo ng maayos na transportasyon... bakit magtitiis kayo sa delikadong paraan?

kung mabundok naman ang lugar, kelangan i-define kung protected area o hindi... pag protected, then hindi ito residential at pasensya kayo kung walang byahe dyan... kung hindi protected, pwede gumawa ng maayos na kalsada papunta sa inyo... kung ang Baguio nasa bundok nagawan ng kalsada, kahit simpleng barangay road lang sana papunta sa mga nayon ay ok na...

madaling sabihin mahirap gawin --- dahil ba walang political will?


Cebu City is mostly mountainous if you look the map... kya most residential developments are located sa bundok... most roads naman sa bundok ng Cebu are asphalted(high grade) and some are concrete pareho sa amin, im not complaining about the roads, but we really need those ticycles and habal2x...


it is good you stated the lack of political will... and about askin from politicos, but let me remind you na there are limits... limits na hindi pwede baliwalain... be realistic...

we can contribute a lot by being disciplined ourselves... meron lng talagang maraming tao na wala nito... kaya we always see ourselves complaining...

salamat po!

[Rajah_Soliman]

No way! What I meant was it's not always about poverty. I didn't say that it wasn't related to it at all. Read the line again.

Get rid of trikes!

contented?! :cheers:

amigo.... wake up to reality!!!! :cheers: it is poverty and nothing more...... with regards to phasing them out... a big NO... because people will suffer....

[Rajah_Soliman]

You know the answer....that your question has no logic of continuity

sure I know the answer... but what do you mean by this??? i suppose you make clear of your sentence first so that I can answer you properly ... :cheers:

[Lucentino]

Cebu City is mostly mountainous if you look the map... kya most residential developments are located sa bundok... most roads naman sa bundok ng Cebu are asphalted(high grade) and some are concrete pareho sa amin, im not complaining about the roads, but we really need those ticycles and habal2x...


it is good you stated the lack of political will... and about askin from politicos, but let me remind you na there are limits... limits na hindi pwede baliwalain... be realistic...

we can contribute a lot by being disciplined ourselves... meron lng talagang maraming tao na wala nito... kaya we always see ourselves complaining...

salamat po!

Good for you then --- you can eliminate those dangerous modes of transport easily in your area... you may employ multicabs or jeepneys for hauling people and goods...

Sorry but what i mentioned in my posts here are part of reality too...

By answering the title of this thread alone and then expounding will make you think that one is complaining. With all the comments and suggestions I laid in my posts, I wont expect everyone to side with me... but at least it will make people like you to think twice --- especially if you and your loved one's safety is on the line whenever you ride these things...

peace! :)

[Lucentino]

I can see that touching on the "small issue" of tricycles become a complicated topic of discussion (and debate)... now i understand why the debate on "bigger issue" of Charter Change or the Philippine Economy is a real big deal to Filipinos!

Phase out the trikes? Yes or No... Now if say the Supreme Court or Government would rule in favor of one, will the losing party resort to rallying in the streets instead?

And please remember this thread is a poll so cast in your vote and accept whoever wins. No cheating please...

I'm not instigating anything nor concluding that Filipinos love to debate (and win), and losers love to rally in the streets, etc. etc... please, no more arguments!

If trikes are here to stay then so be it... if we can eliminate most of them to move forward, then do so... the reality is that I wont be the one to decide on the fate of this mode of transport...

peace ulit! :)

[Rajah_Soliman]

^^ utol, i appreciate your realistic analysis ... :cheers:

[Risk Taker]

^^ the poll is just a question of wether you find trikes as a nuisance or not and not if you want it to be abolish or not. for me trikes are nuisance but we still cannot abolish it right now since it is still very useful for the many. We must first improve or increase the routes of the buses and jeepneys and other modern transport and make them available in many places before abolishing the trikes. And by the way, i think once we improved our other transpo systems i think we don't need to abolish the trikes anymore since i believe it will naturally vanish in the air for the lack of business. Wala naman siguro gusto sumakay nang trikes kung meron naman mas maganda, mura at convenient pa na mode of transpo di ba? :|

[Rajah_Soliman]

^^ if there will be an alternative YES...why not... but I now come into the conclusion (thanks to the earlier discussions) that it should not be abolished since people will suffer all the more because of government neglect !!! pwede ko i-change ang vote ko to NO :D

[Sinjin P.]

Did you know: Provincial bus operators make 10 percent more money than Metro Manila-based operators despite having to pay toll. Half of gross receipts goes to operating expenses such as gas and personnel.

Based on a PUB’s daily gross receipts, the driver gets 8 percent and the conductor gets 6 percent; based on net profit, the driver gets 11 percent and the conductor gets 8 percent.

Oh yes, there’s now talk that a fixed income may soon be an option.

http://businessmirror.com.ph/0427&282007/companies05.html

[kiretoce]

Jeepney financing program to reduce air pollution in Metro Manila (http://www.bayanihan.org/html/article.php/20070427114337883)

The Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) is set to kick -off an easy financing mechanism that will enable jeepney operators in Metro Manila to acquire new engines for their vehicles.

Environment and Natural Resources Secretary Angelo T. Reyes said the engine replacement program for jeepneys in Metro Manila is part of government’s efforts to dramatically reduce air pollution.

“Vehicular emission is still the major cause of air pollution in the metropolis. About 70percent of this air pollution is caused by vehicular emissions,” Reyes said.

Some 7,000 jeepney operators in Metro Manila are targeted as initial beneficiaries of the public utility vehicle (PUV) modernization program.

Under the program jeepney drivers and operators will enable to replace their engines with new and more efficient engines through a financing package arranged for them by the DENR.

They can also buy an entirely new jeepney as a second option.

“The engine replacement scheme hopes to reduce – by the end of 2010 -- the level of air pollution by at least 10 percent through mitigation measures addressing mobile sources like jeepneys,” Reyes said.

The transport sector has been identified by the DENR’s Environmental Management Bureau as the most significant source of PM10 and PM2.5 (particulate matter) pollutants.

The PUV modernization scheme will be publicly introduced on April 30 and May 1 during a gathering of transport operators and drivers during the First Transportation and Environment Conference and Exhibition at the World Trade Center in Pasay City.

Lawyer Vigor D. Mendoza II, secretary general of the Philippine Jeepney Operators and Drivers Alliance Foundation (PJODAP), said the conference and exhibition aims to enlighten members of the transport sector on the latest development and trends in the market, while putting primordial importance to the environment.

Products and other technologies that promote clean air shall also be exhibited in order to increase awareness and compliance among drivers and owners.

Some transport technologies to be showcased include the liquefied petroleum gas (LPG)-fed tricycle, the LPG-fired jeepney and the solar-powered multi-cab.

[smokingunmanila]

sure I know the answer... but what do you mean by this??? i suppose you make clear of your sentence first so that I can answer you properly ... :cheers:

Just means na out of topic tayo with the main thread if I answer back...

[echeverriavy]

i cant believe someone started a thread like this. its not a question, its a blemin fact.

[LordCarnal]

Tricycles, just like jeepneys or even buses or trams or trains, are a nuisance when there's too many of them.

In my opinion, tricycles were borne out of innovation and creativity. I think it can be considered as part of our culture. Some of them are even colorful. I think the key word here is regulation. I don't think there's something wrong with tricycles as long as the officials of this banana republic restrict their number and limit their routes.




.:.

[smokingunmanila]

ang layo naman ata ng pinas sa banana republic...

[crappypants]

people don't really understand until they've driven behind tricycle mania, all the time lost and pollution released. just control and lessen them.

[bariQ]

jeeps in da city

http://images.bariubeca.multiply.com/image/2/photos/6/600x600/1/j1.JPG?et=bg%2BJRTJELTsIYWCWwJx9%2Bw

http://images.bariubeca.multiply.com/image/3/photos/6/orig/2/j2.JPG?et=8Of%2BrZTtbgbBS20pv1ldZA

these are everyday jeepneys in our city, i was surprised when i came here in manila that most of the jeepneys are uncolored and grey.

and surprised me most are the railings on the windows. hehe! maybe they were thinking people jump out the windows to avoid paying

[IAMME]

Surprises me wala pang nagpost ng Avanza taxis..

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/417351181_db69efcaa4.jpg
03 11 2007

[Sinjin P.]

Photos, information and discussions on the Philippines' Jeepney and Bus Terminals. :)

[Sinjin P.]

Danao City Cebu's Jeepney Terminal
originally posted by: Sugbuanon (Cebu thread)

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jeepney terminal of danao city

[Mithril Cloud]

^^ Whoa, looks international. :okay:

[garzland]

Wow, I like the terminal of Danao... Looks grand and modern! Pang-world class ang dating!

[habagatcentral1]

^^ IMO, Danao City's terminal doesn't look like a public transport terminal for me, because its so.....






MAGNIFICENT!!!! hehehe!!
It's not a stereotypical Philippine public transport terminal. Its more like a European terminus or like a terminal to the airport. :okay:

[great184]

^^^ If only most terminals looked like this. Unfortunately aesthetics have never been a priority in designing our terminals.

[habagatcentral1]

Pasyal sa Pagadian City
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Pagadian City
More than the usual tricycles... :D

^^ Here is a city that is still dependent on tricycles as the main mode of transportation in the city centre and also to the outskirts.

[crappypants]

maybe they should build a trike lane. similar to truck lanes in the US.

[habagatcentral1]

^^ IMO, Pagadian City cannot accommodate trike lanes as of this moment. Maybe in highly-urbanized cities, that might solve the problem.

I heard from a friend from San Vicente, BXU (Butuan City) that trikes are gradually being phased out in the downtown streets to make way for cabbies (multicabs). Is this true?

[salamangkero]

after ilang weeks maitim na yung ceiling sa usok :bash:

pero good job sila. looks good!

[flymordecai]

Very nice! Glad to see some first class facilities in some of the lesser known cities.

[Migan]

^^i can imagine mang andoy stepping inside the terminal for the very first time, wearing his usual attire - complete with extra sando, slippers and a face towel. the next day he returns wearing semi-formal/formal attire :) talk about culture shock.

nevertheless, stuff like that kinda brings more dignity and pride to ourselves as citizens and individuals... adding more decency to our lives. the terminal looks very spacious, neat, and orderly compared to the usual cramped and dirty jeepney/tricycle stations we see everyday - a good and much welcomed enhancement to a higgledy-piggledy urban fabric that afflicts many of our cities aiming for legitimate change and long-term progress. i hope they could sustain that kind of atmosphere for years to come. maintain lang nila ng tama at huwag pabayaan.



some images i scanned and cropped taken from my old copy of bluprint magazine:


"The Pasada" mixed-use commercial/jeepney terminal in laguna. looks like its character was based on the bahay na bato. but only a contemporary version.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/smirnoff_2779/Untitled-1.jpg
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some modern bus station in baguio.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/smirnoff_2779/Untitled-2.jpg
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[el_dasik_oo1]

whow! Ganda ng Terminal sa Danao. Very Modern indeed. :D

San sa Laguna yang "The Pasada"? or parang concept pa lang yan?

[sugbuanon]

some modern bus station in baguio.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/smirnoff_2779/Untitled-2.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/smirnoff_2779/scan0004-1.jpg

this is probably the best looking terminal in the country.. it was even featured in bluprint magazine..

[Migan]

whow! Ganda ng Terminal sa Danao. Very Modern indeed. :D

San sa Laguna yang "The Pasada"? or parang concept pa lang yan?yup operational na siya since 2004 pa ata so medyo matagal-tagal na rin.


it seems the terminal was the first structure to be built as an initial part of an entire civic/town center in canlubang, laguna called "dos rios". but i'm not sure as to the current status of the development as a whole.

[metrosuburban]

bakit naka-focus lagi sa lumang sasakyan, e panu nalang yung mga ruthless drivers? kelan sila pwede i-exterminate? pati naden ung mga ruthless pedestrians pala..

[oboi]

I think in Bicutan, Parañaque City, specifically along the Doña Soledad Avenue, tricycle lanes are provided at the outermost lanes of both directions. It's somewhat similar to the Yellow Lane implemented by the MMDA along EDSA for the PUB's but in a smaller scale. Sadly, I hardly notice any tricycle driver following it. :ohno:

[great184]

Simply yes... no signal, slow, rude, ano pa ba?

[-=+cZaRiNa+=-]

Surprises me wala pang nagpost ng Avanza taxis..

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/417351181_db69efcaa4.jpg
03 11 2007

May additional fees ba na hinihingi ang driver kong ganitong taxi ang masasakyan?:lol:

Btw, brand new BMW's pala ang ginagamit na taxi sa India at one-way fee lang ang babayaran mo at pwede ka na kahit saan kahit malayo.

[IAMME]

Wala namang extra fee. It's just a regular taxi. It's just nice because it could seat 7 people for the same cost 5-seater taxis charge.

[Jimbu]

wala bang "it depends" kung anong klaseng main road. sa main road ng mga small islands like Boracay di ba trikes na rin.

[le Reine]

I think in Bicutan, Parañaque City, specifically along the Doña Soledad Avenue, tricycle lanes are provided at the outermost lanes of both directions. It's somewhat similar to the Yellow Lane implemented by the MMDA along EDSA for the PUB's but in a smaller scale. Sadly, I hardly notice any tricycle driver following it. :ohno:

True. But I don't think that those trike lanes would be of any help. Why? Dona Soledad is a very busy road. And it is just a 4 lane ave (I don't even know if it should really be called an ave.), narrower in most areas, which makes it difficult to follow the "trike lanes" esp in rush hour since motorists needs an extra lane.

[kakashi09]

Tama ka. Ngunit it's also a sad reality na ang karamihan sa kanila ay abusado at walang disiplina, pinaparking ang kanilang mga tricycle at pedicab sa sidewalk na lalong nagpapakitid sa mga makitid nang mga kalsada. Kung gustong mabigyang solusyon ang isang problema eh dapat tutukan ang pinakarason ng problemang iyon at ang pinakaproblema diyan eh ang kawalan ng disiplina ng iilan sa ating mga tsuper, walang regulasyon sa pagbibigay ng prankisa kaya sobra-sobra ang mga tricycle at pedicab which then results into surplus of supply kaya nagreresulta sa pagpaparking nila sa kahit saan para maghintay ng pasahero. Dapat ring palaparin ang karamihan sa ating makikitid na mga kalsada at lagyan ng dedicated na tricycle/pedicab lane(s) sapagka't ako rin ay naniniwala na ang mga ito ay may malaking role na ginagampanan sa movement ng mga tao ngunit dapat hanggang sa mga secondary at tertiary roads lang ang mga ito. Sa mga primera daanan natin eh dapat may isang modo ng transportasyon na magsisilbing transshipment point para sa mga gagamit ng LRT/MRT/rail. Dapat pag-isipan ang long-term mass transport system sa buong bansa at hindi ang sa kasalukuyan lamang.

Here in Sta. Maria, Bulacan weve already solve this kind of problem. Kya nga lang angdaming nagalit na mga tricycle drivers at jeepney drivers, pero di ito pinansin ng aming pinakamamahal na mayor at tuloy pa rin ito sa kanyang trabaho. At doon "Lumuwag ang daan" di pala kaylangang palakihin ang kalsada "disiplina lang pala ang kaylangan".

[Insanedriver]

^^Which scenario would you prefer?
A traffic congested street or street with starving children?

[Sinjin P.]

^ :hilarious Why do you always have to include the starving children scenario?

Both can be addressed to actually if some people here aren't too stubborn ;)

[Insanedriver]

something funny with my post?

edit: because a jobless father would have no money to spend for the needs of his children...
clearly, you dont understand what their life is like sinjin, they cant do any other jobs than being a driver. It's the only thing they know, drive...

now, call me a stubborn...
yes, i would be very stubborn if the topic is against the livelihood of the poor...

[Sinjin P.]

^ Now don't you go generalizing that I don't understand what their life is like because I myself have experienced first hand what it is to be the poorest of the poor after engaging in a lot of social awareness activities and exchange "son" for a day activities.

On topic: What do you mean that they can't do other jobs? By saying that, you're underestimating the genuine creativity, talent and perseverance of the ordinary Filipino. Now if indeed the jeepneys will get abolished someday, the drivers can easily shift to entrepreneurial activities of their field of interest, which would gain them more fruits that what they are currently earning. And to assure that they won't get derailed to the bad elements, the government could spend for livelihood seminars and could even give them a minimum capital to start a small business. And they could be followed up for a period of time until they are fully stable to support their families. You may say that the government will be spending a lot to support the transition of these drivers but it is still less expensive than the expenses caused by the disadvantages of the jeepney:



We are spending additional billions of pesos a year on petrol because of the traffic cause by these jeepneys. These money could be spend somewhere else creating more jobs.

We are losing billions of pesos a year because of the lost working hours/ lost business opportunities/lost foreign investment caused by jeepney traffic. These billions of pesos would have created a lot of jobs.

WE are spending billions of pesos a year on medical expenses caused by pollution eg. bronchitis, pneunonia, etc. With less traffic and pollution - we could save billions of pesos a year.

The savings from better transpo system could obviously be used to train former jeepney drivers how to be bus drivers - we would replace jeepneys with buses - aside from training, we could also provide them with soft loans to start a small business.

Some people lost their jobs after the wheel, cars, computers, internet, etc. were invented - we should not fear change as progress only comes after it.

[Insanedriver]

now, i'm not underestimating the skills of the Filipino people...i'm just saying that they are happy with their driving as their source of income and very much comfortable with it as they are more skillful with it... if you're good and happy being an engineer... you dont want to work as a nurse do you?

second, if you do understand what their life is like...
then why do you support the removal of their "only" livelihood in the first place, knowing that it is the only source of their income?
and the fact that you and others, wanting to scrap their source of income means you really dont show sympathy for our poor countrymen... and didnt you didn't see the fact that they've been a great help for people with no vehicles...

nobody can do everything...
if somebody can, then he must be God.

(i hope this debate wont cause personalans)

[papi_chulo]

Tricycles and jeepneys should be removed!!!!.......period walang kokontra!!! They should get replace by a proper mass transportation system and thats the bus!!! Same system used in europe and here in New zealand... bus bus bus bus and bus for cheap mass traspo.... Proper mass transit like bus can decongest traffic, reduce pollutions and create job!! YES CREATE JOBS!!!! yeah those jeepney drivers and tricycles riders will loose their current jobs but its gonna get reaplace by a new job CALLED BUS DRIVER!!!! walang condoctor na nag titicket haaaa!!! how can u create jobs from mass transit bus??? A city should only have bus as 1 of the mass transit 2nd is rail system...so no jeeps, tricycle, no side car transpo etc!!! Proper bus system pays good wages!!!! y?? coz its they only mass land transpo in the city, so meaning proper bus system got all the commuters. No need to fight for passengers like wot normal jeepneys and our current buses do, coz this is the reason y theirs a lot of arrogant drivers and traffic in the metro!!!! Since bus drivers in proper bus system is getting paid good wages(beeter pay than what normally get), they goin to work less. 8 hours per day(5-6-7 days a week it depends on how many days they want to work) is what they all need to get good pay...Buses in Europe and here in New Zealand comes to the proper bus stops every 5, 10, 30 mins it depends on how busy that bus stop is the more busier the less minutes u gotta wait for the buss the more busier the more bus driver is gonna get employed, got it!!!! Because its the only bus system in the city its 100% sure that bus stops r gonna be busy meaning more drivers = more jobs!!!!! trust me iv lived in europe, australia and currently in NZ and been to singapore, malasia they use the same bus system and it works!!!! Another benefits from this proper bus system like what i've mentioned before is gonna reduce pollution, traffic... and maybe reduce some of the car drivers and it will result as a reduce in traffic again!!!!

[Insanedriver]

two questions for you...

-so how sure are you that "all" jeepney, pedicab and tricycle drivers will get a job in that wise plan of yours after their removal?

-and how sure are you that they will be paid more than what is it that they're earning right now?

i heard that drivers are paid 1,500-2,500 a month wherein jeepneys earn randomly wherein they earn about 500 pesos a day... and tricycles maybe, 200 a day...

[sandrn]

Tricycles are not only culprits to Air Pollution, but NOISE Pollution as well.
The tricycle and jeepney operations should be regulated with a proper quota and zoning.
I've heard balikbayan vacationists constant complaints on the noise the tricycles generate every time they visit their provincial hometowns.

[queetz@home]

now, i'm not underestimating the skills of the Filipino people...i'm just saying that they are happy with their driving as their source of income and very much comfortable with it as they are more skillful with it... if you're good and happy being an engineer... you dont want to work as a nurse do you?

second, if you do understand what their life is like...
then why do you support the removal of their "only" livelihood in the first place, knowing that it is the only source of their income?
and the fact that you and others, wanting to scrap their source of income means you really dont show sympathy for our poor countrymen... and didnt you didn't see the fact that they've been a great help for people with no vehicles...

nobody can do everything...
if somebody can, then he must be God.

(i hope this debate wont cause personalans)

^^ Oh you leftwing crappers are all the same. Always against progress and solutions. With our growing population and limited infrastructure, how can we possibly fit all the jeepneys and tricycles? You can't! That is a FACT! So the only solution is to find alternative ways to move people efficiently through the usage of more capable vehicles such as buses and trains. The only constant in the universe is change and if jeepney and tricycle drivers are not willing to adapt to change, then its their loss. :|

[papi_chulo]

......................

[papi_chulo]

two questions for you...

-so how sure are you that "all" jeepney, pedicab and tricycle drivers will get a job in that wise plan of yours after their removal?

-and how sure are you that they will be paid more than what is it that they're earning right now?

i heard that drivers are paid 1,500-2,500 a month wherein jeepneys earn randomly wherein they earn about 500 pesos a day... and tricycles maybe, 200 a day...
First of all its not just my plan...its being used in all of the 1st world countries..

ans #1 ill tell ya this im not 100% sure they all getting that job, coz proper bus system needs proper rules, regulations and proper drivers ill say maybe 90-99.99% of them will get it, if they pass the drug test and the driving test!!! When the central buss station is build in the city and bus stops are properly place, then they can start recruiting, training then hiring!!!!

ans #2 Simply because its gonna be the only vehicle mass transit in the city, they get all the commuters...

[papi_chulo]

two questions for you...

-so how sure are you that "all" jeepney, pedicab and tricycle drivers will get a job in that wise plan of yours after their removal?

-and how sure are you that they will be paid more than what is it that they're earning right now?

i heard that drivers are paid 1,500-2,500 a month wherein jeepneys earn randomly wherein they earn about 500 pesos a day... and tricycles maybe, 200 a day...
im not really refering to car drivers that drive rich people..im refering to those people that uses car to go to work...coz its way cheaper to use public transit than using your car(petrol,car service)

[Insanedriver]

@ papi - Drivers are not paid by commision, they have fixed salaries... as i've said. They earn more in their jeepeys than getting a job in driving...

@ Queetz - i'm not one of those left wing assholes. i am just defending countless jobs that will be lost if they should be banned...

hell, i can never tell i'm home if i couldn't hear jeepneys and tricycles...
it's what balikbayans like us are missing. the distant noise of the tricycles at night and horns of the jeepneys.

[queetz@home]

^^ Well, maybe you balikbayans can just pack up for greener pastures and leave the mess those jeepneys and tricycles cause in our metropolis behind but there are 10 million people living here and their quality of life is being diminished because of these undisciplined jeepneys and tricycles. And if the movement of people and goods are vastly improved, the wealth generated by the efficiency and time saved will EASILY create countless number of opportunities for all Metro Manilans, far more than all the jobs of those jeepney and tricycle drivers would have lost.

[Insanedriver]

jeepneys have been a great help to us...
and in fact, our national icon...
scrap the lisense of the violators and you will see a peaceful road...
tsaka hindi lang naman jeepneys and tricycles ang ganyan...
pati rin naman mga bus at private vehicles...

[le Reine]

^oops perhaps you're viewing the problem quite simplistically. Jeepney drivers doesn't have fixed salaries. Their income is based solely on "boundary." Meaning there is a fixed rate that they should give to the owner of the vehicle while the rest would go to him. That's why traffic is rampant here. Drivers would always stop for several minutes and wait on major places in the Metro and would clog the roads because the other drivers are doing the same thing. What is very ridiculous here is that they are just serving the same route. Imagine, it's just like in a market where all of them are trying to woo the passengers. There's a lot of inefficiencies in our transport sector. This is also the same with Tricycles, Padicabs and Buses. I think the government must now focus to other mass transports like Railway.

[queetz@home]

jeepneys have been a great help to us...
and in fact, our national icon...
scrap the lisense of the violators and you will see a peaceful road...
tsaka hindi lang naman jeepneys and tricycles ang ganyan...
pati rin naman mga bus at private vehicles...

^^ Jeepneys have been a great help after WW2 because the public transportation system was decimated and there weren't that many people in the Metropolis yet. We didn't even have any skyscrapers back then. But now, they are grossly inefficient. One jeepney sucks up just as much diesel fuel as a freaking bus and yet carries WAY LESS PEOPLE than a bus. WTF??? And there are so many of them. Think of it this way...

Which is more efficient? 5 small oil tankers carrying 20k barrels of oil or 1 large super tanker carrying 100k barrels of oil? So its 5 sets of crew, five engines, 5 dock space in the oil terminal, 5 trips to and from the Persian Gulf, etc vs just one of each carrying the same amount of oil?

XP answers my oil tanker analogy above with this...

Drivers would wait to major places in the Metro and would clog the roads because the other drivers are doing the same things. What is very ridiculous here is that they are just going to the same route. Imagine, it's just like in a market where all of them are trying to woo the passengers. There's a lot of inefficiencies in our transport sector.



If its a national icon, it belongs to a museum!

[Insanedriver]

whatever guys, thats your opinion and i can't do anything to change your mind...

[le Reine]

^good. coz I'm thinking of the same thing too. Let's just agree to disagree. :)

[xDieselJockx]

Maybe they can just keep these jeepneys in a smaller rural areas and not in a big metropolis like Metro Manila. I believe that there are atleast 10 to 15 million filipinos living there.. that's very over populated. They need a mass trans such as LRTs and maybe extended bus liners to haul volumes. Those Jeepneys and tricycles need to go, maybe only in a selective areas where tourists can watch and experience it

[papi_chulo]

@ papi - Drivers are not paid by commision, they have fixed salaries... as i've said. They earn more in their jeepeys than getting a job in driving...

@ Queetz - i'm not one of those left wing assholes. i am just defending countless jobs that will be lost if they should be banned...

hell, i can never tell i'm home if i couldn't hear jeepneys and tricycles...
it's what balikbayans like us are missing. the distant noise of the tricycles at night and horns of the jeepneys.
well i didnt say they gonna get paid by commision....Yes they gonna get payed fixed salary, but its goin to be higher...

[papi_chulo]

jeepneys have been a great help to us...
and in fact, our national icon...
scrap the lisense of the violators and you will see a peaceful road...
tsaka hindi lang naman jeepneys and tricycles ang ganyan...
pati rin naman mga bus at private vehicles...
yes our current bus are the same, but im talkin about the new bus system...private vehicles??? what r u on about???

[papi_chulo]

whatever guys, thats your opinion and i can't do anything to change your mind...
yeah your rightt cuz, you cant do anything to change our minds. coz our opinions & suggestions is more about helping, reducing pollution and saving time...

[papi_chulo]

^oops perhaps you're viewing the problem quite simplistically. Jeepney drivers doesn't have fixed salaries. Their income is based solely on "boundary." Meaning there is a fixed rate that they should give to the owner of the vehicle while the rest would go to him. That's why traffic is rampant here. Drivers would always stop for several minutes and wait on major places in the Metro and would clog the roads because the other drivers are doing the same thing. What is very ridiculous here is that they are just serving the same route. Imagine, it's just like in a market where all of them are trying to woo the passengers. There's a lot of inefficiencies in our transport sector. This is also the same with Tricycles, Padicabs and Buses. I think the government must now focus to other mass transports like Railway.
yeah i think the government is doing a lot of rail projects.. iv heard theres going to be 7 eleveted rail lines in the metro, 2 ground rail..Rail system is great but its expensive, plus we still need another great mass transpo(bus) so people can get to the rail system...

[queetz@home]

^^ Rail is the universal solution to all traffic problems, whether it be here or anywhere else in the world. I kinda wish the government would speed up the implementation of our rail projects as soon as possible but as usual, politics and legal mumbo jumbo supercedes real solutions to the problem. And not just in Metro Manila but in other major cities in the Philippines as well. The sad part is such impediments aren't unique to the Philippines and it can even be more frustrating in places like in Canada where the government is brimming with wealth as clearly seen in their billion dollar surpluses but idiotic politicians like BC Transport Minister Kevin Falcon simply do not want more rail systems to be built out of sheer hatred for a community that truly needs it....

[Wreckless_Rex]

Salutations to one and all.

This problem, like most if not all that we are facing as a nation, all comes down to the economic situation. I tend to side with those who've considered the less fortunate among us. I agree it would be great if we could hasten our progress and beautify this nation with modernity and sophistication, but what are we supposed to do with those who simply could not move on along with the rest at that rate?

As with any other problem, the root cause is at the management level, i.e., the government. If we could only somehow free ourselves out of our ‘kurakot’ mind set, and get serious and instill amongst us a cohesive nationalistic mentality, then perhaps we could finally start the wheels rolling on progress for real.

Here’s an interesting article on what’s being done towards that end: http://www.thestandard.com.hk/stdn/std/Metro/GE18Ak09.html

[WANCH]

Salutations to one and all.

This problem, like most if not all that we are facing as a nation, all comes down to the economic situation. I tend to side with those who've considered the less fortunate among us. I agree it would be great if we could hasten our progress and beautify this nation with modernity and sophistication, but what are we supposed to do with those who simply could not move on along with the rest at that rate?

As with any other problem, the root cause is at the management level, i.e., the government. If we could only somehow free ourselves out of our ‘kurakot’ mind set, and get serious and instill amongst us a cohesive nationalistic mentality, then perhaps we could finally start the wheels rolling on progress for real.

Here’s an interesting article on what’s being done towards that end: http://www.thestandard.com.hk/stdn/std/Metro/GE18Ak09.html

The ICAC was very effective in curbing corruption in HK. I would like to see how he will act for The Philippines.

[le Reine]

^well, I heard a news before where Tony Kwok lambasted the media for projecting that the Philippines is very corrupt. I just can't see an article about that. I only watched it in Abs-cbn. The media retaliated by saying that if there are really news of corruption then the people have the "right to know."

Nga pala, let's get back to topic.

[kiretoce]

Kidapawan beefs up security in bus terminal (http://www.mindanews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2703&Itemid=50)

The local government here has beefed up security measures in public places, including the newly-opened overland bus station, to prevent bomb attacks and other harassments against commuters and vehicles there. Operations of the P97-million Integrated Transport Station at the Ninoy Aquino Avenue here started Tuesday with City Mayor Rodolfo Gantuangco leading the opening ceremony.
Gantuangco has ordered its Civil Security Unit (CSU), to employ tighter measures to secure passengers and vehicles from any terror attack or any form of harassment.

Around 20 CSU members were deployed in different parts of the bus station, including a bomb watch group tasked to report to authorities any suspicious-looking person and baggage.

Non-uniformed personnel were also deployed as additional force.

Five years ago, the city’s old public terminal located at the poblacion was bombed, killing eight people and injuring several others, many of whom were commuters and small-time vendors.

“We can’t allow it to happen again here,” said one of the city officials that attended the opening ceremony.

The new terminal is just a few meters away from the old and is considered one of the finest overland terminals in Southwestern Mindanao.

The city government hopes the new terminal, aside from helping address problems on congestion, could help improve the city’s tourism and economy.

Pepito Caasi, one of the first few passengers from nearby Cotabato City who used the overland station, likened it to a tourist class waiting lounge in an airport.

The bus station is equipped with 12 loading platforms for buses, six waiting sheds for passengers, and a more convenient and wider loading area for public utility vans.

It has two security offices; six restrooms; two snack bars; 74 fruit stalls; and 30 eateries which guarantee maximum convenience for all commuters.

Although the construction was completed in August last year, the city had to wait for a go signal from the Commission on Audit (CoA) which conducted a thorough investigation o the construction.

Gantuangco appointed City Administrator Rodolfo Cabiles, Jr., as the station manager, and Engineer Elmer Limpot as the operations manager.

The construction of the station was funded out of a P47-million loan from the Asian Development Bank through the Land Bank of the Philippines; P9-million grant under the Mindanao Basic Urban Social Services Program (MBUSSP) of the Department of Interior and Local Government (DILG), and funds from the city government.

The city purchased the four-hectare terminal site, declared a commercial area since 2004, for P26 million.

[IndioBravo]

I totally agree with you on your position with regards to jeepneys,tricycles and can I add sidecars as well.My position is that jeepneys has outgrown it's usefullness already,yes it showed filipinos ingenuity,but that was after world war II that is 60 years ago,and where still insisting on keeping it alive.I personally think jeepneys should be used as tourism vehicles this days.I don't know if you've heard about the BRT's(Bus Rapid Transit).This mode of transport is being used in Jakarta,Curritiba in Brazil,Bogota in Colombia.This mode of transport is an alternative to Subways which is more costly.This transport system is being used in the mentioned cities for years now,and has definitely proven effective.This bus transport system is different from the buses that ply Metro Manila's roads.Mainly,drivers on BRT's are monthly salaried so they don't run over cars or pedestrians to earn their keep.You can read more about this BRT's on the blog of"Urbano delaCruz".I think his an urban planner based in New York,but is a true blue pinoy.
Mind you,this guy whose a jeepney fan doesn't know what his talking about(InsaneDriver?).I happened to to use jeepneys when I was still living in Manila everyday,so I know how this mode of transport is so outdated already.Aside from blowing toxic fumes,and having mostly undisciplined drivers,they are so unsafe because they are totally ignorant of speed limits and If they actually know this,their speedometers are not working.If the jeepneys are taken out of Manila's main roads,I bet the air quality will improve,traffic will be reduced,discipline will start to be recognized as a possibilty in Manila's streets.
But I guess Filipinos will be so hard headed on this matter,and nothing will change.Mayor Lim is in charge,I guess we do not expect a lot from him.He hasn't done sweeping changes when he was in power before,I don't expect anything drastic to happen today(Like scrapping the jeepneys).In the end,traffic will be in Manila's streets forever,accident's by jeepney drivers will continue to increase,people will be frustrated and continue to flock away from Manila,air pollution will worsen,thus making Manila's children prone to respiratory diseases thereby making them weak physically and mentally.Jeepney drivers associations will continue to hold the local govt. as hostage.Making the whole city that I dearly love chaotic and dirty.As you can put it aptly Anarchy!!








yeah your rightt cuz, you cant do anything to change our minds. coz our opinions & suggestions is more about helping, reducing pollution and saving time...

[tafftrader]

I thought this bus was supposed to replace jeepneys in global city. Therefore, unlike jeepneys will stop at designated BUS STOPS(layby's). If this is the case then why did the Fort Bus stop in front of my car today "jeepney style"(i.e. stop without any warning signals in its lane and cause a delay in traffic). I found this most disturbing!

[queetz@home]

^^ Welcome to the Philippines! No matter how good a concept or a plan a non-rail based transit route is, the Filipino way of driving, which is pure demonic in nature wherein its all me me me, supercedes all! Its no surprise the Fort Bus is no exception because ultimately, it is still in Philippine soil driven by Filipino drivers... :ohno:

[flymordecai]

Who oversees the transportation in FBGC? If anyone knows, we could DO something about it by telling the right people about the bus drivers. E-mailing them wouldn't hurt.

[bustero]

It's run by FBDC itself.

[pau_p1]

yeah I agree... I just hope that the Fort Bus would only unload on designated bus stops... though they usually load people on designated areas....

and one observation also is that some designated stops does not have a waiting shed... and I hope they make their bus into something that they won't need tickets anymore.. or passengers just drop their fare or tap on something instead ofthe driver getting off the bus and give tickets...

[chocolato1000]

indeed, we are in need of better transportation management.

are there any buses in MM using IC cards yet?

[bustero]

IC? Is this the chip based one like the HK Octupus Card. Nope.

[j.r.]

the FBDC should do something about it. they should be the leader in efficient bus transport-- devise an efficient system that fosters discipline among drivers that will show the rest of metro manila how to do it... :cheers: they are just beginning... why not start on the right track?!

[queetz@home]

^^ The only solution that I can think of is FBDC were to declare the BGC as an independent nation within Metro Manila, sort of like the Vatican in Rome. For as long as it is under the grip of the Philippines with all its faults such as do nothing governments with its ridiculously low penalties in road rule breaking and the pakialamerong Catholic church who teaches Filipinos to love thy neighbour except when behind the wheel of a motor vehicle, especially jeepneys and buses, the Fort Bus will be subject to whatever flaws the Philippine icon that is the jeepney and all that comes with it, including bad drivers. If BGC was an independent nation, only then can you create a utopia that you all hope for since its leaders can impose crippling penalities for maniac drivers.

[chocolato1000]

^^ The only solution that I can think of is FBDC were to declare the BGC as an independent nation within Metro Manila, sort of like the Vatican in Rome. For as long as it is under the grip of the Philippines with all its faults such as do nothing governments with its ridiculously low penalties in road rule breaking and the pakialamerong Catholic church who teaches Filipinos to love thy neighbour except when behind the wheel of a motor vehicle, especially jeepneys and buses, the Fort Bus will be subject to whatever flaws the Philippine icon that is the jeepney and all that comes with it, including bad drivers. If BGC was an independent nation, only then can you create a utopia that you all hope for since its leaders can impose crippling penalities for maniac drivers.

are you serious? that solution is not a solution at all...we know that it's not feasible. man, building a state within one has only happened in italy, and it was allowed for religious reasons. other than that, i can't think of any other else.

if you simply want tougher traffic penalties, you don't have to have an independent state, a simple city ordinance will do. but again, it's always a matter of implementation.

[queetz@home]

^^ In the Philippines, implementation is next to impossible, especially when it comes to traffic enforcement. Madali lang maglagay as long as walang pakialam ang goberyno at masyadong passive ang mga tao. Its a fact and no force in the universe will let those Filipino Fort Bus drivers NOT drive like Filipinos as long as they are in Philippine soil with its lax laws, corruption and simple disregard for plain and simple courtesy. Its like turning bread into stone and its never gonna happen no matter how many city ordinance you have unless something drastic happens. Declaring BGC as an independent nation is the only way since this will create borders and new national agencies like its very own LTO, hence tougher requirements, to get a license there. Plus you can implement your own penalties without left wing crappers, coup plotters, and Arch Bishop Oscar Cruz breathing down your neck all the time... :yes:

[papi_chulo]

^^ Welcome to the Philippines! No matter how good a concept or a plan a non-rail based transit route is, the Filipino way of driving, which is pure demonic in nature wherein its all me me me, supercedes all! Its no surprise the Fort Bus is no exception because ultimately, it is still in Philippine soil driven by Filipino drivers... :ohno:
How do bus drivers in the fort gettin paid??? hourly rate or boundery style??? I think mag babago lang yang mga drivers na yan kung hourly rate ang bayad sa kanila bayad, kc they not gonna compete for passegers..

[j.r.]

they should construct proper desinated bus stops and yeah hourly rate para walang incentive to get passengers in inappropriate places...

[pau_p1]

I think they are monthly paid... and not 'pakyawan' basis....

they mostly stop on designated areas to pickup passengers.. but unloading anywhere.... and they mostly get their passengers from three major stops... Ayala terminal, Market Market terminal, and Boni Stop Over area...

[papi_chulo]

nyee dapat sa bus stop lang sila nag load and unload

[Sinjin P.]

Tricycles can still be green, says expert (http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/09052007/nation02.html)
By Rizal Raoul Reyes
Correspondent


THOSE tricycles with two-stroke engines, much-loved by the many who rely on it, but also disdained for the pollution they cause, may yet become as clean as they are useful.

The De La Salle University (DLSU)-Manila is currently doing a research to develop a new design seeking to standardize its features as part of making it commuter and environment-friendly.

Dr. Alvin B. Culaba, director of the center for engineering and sustainable development research of DLSU, said he and his team of engineers in DLSU will introduce new designs and specifications that will veer away from the current design of the sidecar being attached to the side of the motorcycle. “We will introduce an integrated design that will not focus on the tricycle itself,” said Culaba at the open forum organized by the National Research Council of the Philippines (NRCP).

“We will be developing a tricycle that will give the commuter more convenience because of better safety features and protect the environment at the same time,” he added.

Culaba said the most important aspect of their research is that tricycles using two-stroke engines don’t need to be phased out as part of the government’s environmental standards. “In our research, we found out that the country does not need to eliminate the tricycles using two-stroke engines to lessen pollution caused by the three-wheeled vehicles,” he said.

He said a four-stroke motorcycle does not guarantee it will be environmentally friendly compared to the two-stroke engine. “Our studies showed that two-stroke engines are not less efficient than the four-stroke engines,” he said.

According to a study by the World Health Organization done in 2005, vehicular emission is among the major causes of air pollution in the Asia-Pacific region because it heavily impacts on both the people’s health and their daily activities. The WHO added 12 of the 15 cities with the highest levels of particulate matters, and six of the 15 cities with the highest levels of sulfur dioxide, are located in Asia.

The report also noted the worsening vehicular emissions in the Philippines caused by urbanization, with one third of vehicles accounted for by tricycles. “These two- and three-wheeled vehicles are major contributors to air emissions as they usually are equipped with old model engines and are poorly maintained,” said the WHO.

Culaba stressed that there is no need to phase out the two-stroke engine motorcycles because they can still be provided with technologies that can reduce their smoke emissions. “We can still have a win-win situation with this breakthrough because it ensures employment for the 1.2 million tricycle drivers nationwide, and at the same time provides a cleaner emission that will benefit the environment,” he said.

One of the technologies is the Retrofit kit, at P15,000 each and locally distributed by the nonprofit group Envirofit Philippines Inc.

The Department of Science and Technology is also currently testing the application of coco methyl ester (CME) on tricycles in Romblon.

The Department of Energy is considering the use of liquefied petroleum gas as alternative fuel for tricycles.

If they can source the appropriate funding, Culaba said his team can produce a locally designed tricycle containing the best standards for public transport in this category.

Meanwhile, the National Research Council of the Philippines (NRCP) said media will play a very important role in popularizing the researches and the scientists themselves.

Dr. Olivia Caoili, president of the NRCP, said scientists must be given the support because they are vital cogs in development. “We must and should support our scientists and media can act as the link between the scientists and the public,” she said.

[great184]

Tricyles on main roads = traffic, and road hazards.

[FrancisXavier]

CDO's Transformerela...:D:D

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/08boundary_black_lowres.jpg

[GearX]

they can be crime fighters as well....Decipti-Toda Weapons Specialist:laugh:

[absinthe_888]

they are a nusiance, kz ang bagal bagal nila sa highway...in the first place, dpat bawal talaga sila sa highway dapat pang barangay roads lang sila. as usual bulok ang implementation. tapos ala pang mga headlight o taillight yung karamihan kaya ang hirap makita sa gabi. pag 4 lane highway imbis na asa right side sila adun sila sa leftmost lane, pag inilawan mo o binusinahan sila pa galit. anak ng...

[flymordecai]

CDO's Transformerela...:D:D

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/08boundary_black_lowres.jpg

Isn't that a tut-tut, the Indian version of the traysikel?

[FrancisXavier]

nope..that's a typical traysikel in Cagayan de Oro.. Can carry a maximum of 8 pax + driver = 9.

[GearX]

The motorelas (Decipti-Toda) of Cagayan de Oro...
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/motorela.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/3332785-Transportation-Cagayan_de_O.jpg

[FrancisXavier]

the first pic looks small..

[GearX]

nope..that's a typical traysikel in Cagayan de Oro.. Can carry a maximum of 8 pax + driver = 9.

Fx, I think the motorelas of Cagayan de Oro aren't tricyles because they have 4 wheels...quadcycles maybe?

[FrancisXavier]

haha,technically yeah.. but that's the name we're used to for a motor vihecle with side car on it.

[bloodyred]

CDO's Transformerela...:D:D

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/08boundary_black_lowres.jpg

Astig! Parang may resemblance ni Barricade.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t279/crazyhart/440px-Barricade.jpg

nope..that's a typical traysikel in Cagayan de Oro.. Can carry a maximum of 8 pax + driver = 9. ]

It can even carry as much as 11 people (including driver). I remember nung pinakyaw namin ang isang motorela nung maligo kami ng barkada sa Opol. Kawawang motorela, imagine from Macabalan to Opol at may mga karga pang mga baskets!:lol::nuts:

[GearX]

off-topic but i need to post this::lol: :lol:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/04kagawadzz_black_lowres.jpg

[GearX]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/42834367.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/42834365.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/42834368.jpg

[absinthe_888]

pero nakakatuwa ang mga tricycles, kada bayan na puntahan mo iba design nila. hehe

[Raven83]

The Fort Bus
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/PICT0088.jpg
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/PICT0087.jpg

[laquacherra]

The Fort Bus Stop @ 11th Ave

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i37/llaurenversion3/busstop.jpg

[Lito]

I thought this bus was supposed to replace jeepneys in global city. Therefore, unlike jeepneys will stop at designated BUS STOPS(layby's). If this is the case then why did the Fort Bus stop in front of my car today "jeepney style"(i.e. stop without any warning signals in its lane and cause a delay in traffic). I found this most disturbing!

Aling street sa The Fort ito nangyari?

[Lito]

I thought this bus was supposed to replace jeepneys in global city. Therefore, unlike jeepneys will stop at designated BUS STOPS(layby's). If this is the case then why did the Fort Bus stop in front of my car today "jeepney style"(i.e. stop without any warning signals in its lane and cause a delay in traffic). I found this most disturbing!

try to contact this number Tel: (02) 757-6116, give the body bus number and where in The Fort this happened.:cheers:

[papi_chulo]

pangit naman nyan bus na yan!!!! ganda ganda sa fort parang nasa ibang bansa tpos ganyan yun bus.

[Sinjin P.]

True, I don't like the bus. It shouldn't have been dominated by white

[kalbongdad]

yan ang maling pagtitipid...anyway....they could have used new buses....nde sya swak...sa pagiging sosy ng bgc...

[crappypants]

he he medyo bulokin na.

[Lucentino]

pangit naman nyan bus na yan!!!! ganda ganda sa fort parang nasa ibang bansa tpos ganyan yun bus.

Well those buses I believe are Japan surplus/junk so they thought one might feel a bit "tuning japanese" strolling FBGC. :lol:

[klaris]

The Fort Bus
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/PICT0088.jpg

Are those jeeps next to the Fort Bus also going to Market Market, too?

The one time I rode the Fort Bus a couple of months ago, a passenger insisted on being let off in the middle of the street, and the bus driver was firm: "Sa bus stop lang ho." It all depends on the driver's tendency to follow (or disobey) rules, I guess.

The buses were convenient; they didn't look run down at all (the one I was on wasn't the one on the picture, though; it was mostly green, and said "Bonifacio Global City").

What times are the Fort Bus earliest/latest trips? And how often do they run? I'm assuming they don't operate 24/7 at this point, but how do call center staff return to Ayala after their shift ends before dawn?

[AH-7Raja]

bakit lumain ang mga fort bus....??? tsk tsk tsk

[Lito]

I thought this bus was supposed to replace jeepneys in global city. Therefore, unlike jeepneys will stop at designated BUS STOPS(layby's). If this is the case then why did the Fort Bus stop in front of my car today "jeepney style"(i.e. stop without any warning signals in its lane and cause a delay in traffic). I found this most disturbing!

nag email ako sa FBDC... regarding sa incident na ito.. at heto yung reply nila.

Dear Sir,
First of all I would like to acknowledge your concern regarding the incident involving one of my buses.
By the way I am Jing Alvarez Operations Manager of Bonifacio Transport that operates the fort bus.Can you provide me details of the incident sir particularly on the number of bus involved, the area where it took place and the the time it happened so that I may conduct a detailed report as a basis for the violation committed and recommend the proper measure to be meted.
We are not condoning such irresponsible acts of our drivers and the management are very strict when it comes to courtesy and discipline in their undertakings.
you may contact me at my herein office telephone 8820746 0r 8825474. I will please to assist you anytime.

yours truly,
Jing Alvarez

[Lito]

Hope you can formalize your complaint so that we can authenticate this issue Sir.May I have your contact number Sir so that I can get in touch with you if ever we will be conducting an investigation regrding this matter.

Thanks,
Jing

[allan_dude]

yan ang maling pagtitipid...anyway....they could have used new buses....nde sya swak...sa pagiging sosy ng bgc...

Nakasakay na ako ng The Fort Bus na may "monoblock bench" sa loob. Upo mo parang nasa PUJ. :lol:

[pau_p1]

oh.. they already have newer buses taking routes around... Bus numbers 9, 10 and 11 are replaced with new ones with the new green Fort logo emblazoned on it... though they still have those in the old red logo...

[Insanedriver]

those are ugly buses...

[quiksilver04]

the bus should also complement the place that it's routing.. and should also be at par with the impression the fort gives it travelers.. it's good if d new ones are already used!

[Arkdriver]

Cant they get a better one. Made in China buses are of good quality. Why dont they just buy them. Again, by saying this, some of the most ignorant people on Pinas SSC might disagree with me when i mentioned "China-made".

[nayki]

^^Kinglong buses are made in china right? Many Bus company in the philippines started to replaced their fleet with this kinglong buses. Their buses are very good looking not only the exterior but also the interior. Almost all of their models have state of art equipments. I'm sure they are cheaper but with good quality. :okay:

[nayki]

Site of Kinglong
http://www.kinglong.com.cn/Enproducts.asp
Philippine Bus lines are using this Kinglong buses now for years.

[pau_p1]

well.. as I said earlier.. there are newer Fort buses... but they have not replaced all of their buses yet... there are about 3 or 4 new ones...maybe they'll replace those older ones in the next few months...

[nayki]

^^Almost all Fort Bus have automatic transmission right?

[allan_dude]

OT: Site of Kinglong
http://www.kinglong.com.cn/Enproducts.asp
Philippine Bus lines are using this Kinglong buses now for years.

You forgot Golden Dragon Bus (http://www.goldendragonbus.com/). It's made in Xiamen. I think Cher and JAC have these.

[pau_p1]

^^Almost all Fort Bus have automatic transmission right?


if I remember it right... yes.. most are automatic...

[pau_p1]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v162/pau_p1/BGC1/09282007153.jpg

[Lito]

Kinglong are extremely beautiful and cheaper compare to Hino, Isuzu and Nissan. In fact the Mary Rose bus Line acquired 15 new kinglong buses and they are satisfied with the performance... lesser engine vibration compare to Isuzu with the same back engine design. But according to the bus driver the power steering of Kinglong compare to Isuzu and Nissan ay medyo mabigat.

[nayki]

if I remember it right... yes.. most are automatic...

Mas ok nga kung lahat ng Bus sa Metro Manila ay automatic transmission ang gamit. Para di masyadong nakakapagod magdrive saka para madiscourage iyong mga undeciplined driver na umarangkada ng umarangkada at magsisingit sa kalye. Mahirap kasing umarangkada pag automatic ang sasakyan.

[Lito]

^^ ^^ yeah you are right... mas masarap sumakay sa automatic bus compare sa manual shift... everytime na maghabol ang driver ng pasahero para kang inaalog eh... sala sa tiempo ang release ng clutch at pasok ng kambyo... kaya ang hirap matulog.

in fairness naman sa mga drivers ng Vistory at Five Star... smooth na smooth ang pagpapalit nila ng gear...

Pero sumakay ka ng bus from MIA Road going to EDSA grabe... para kang nakasakay sa ambulansya... harurot todo talaga at kapag nag brake dikit na dikit...kulang na lang sumadsad ang pagmumukha mo sa unahang upuan.:bash:

[nayki]

^^basta iyong mga metro bus along edsa sobra magpatakbo mga iyon at grabe pag humarurut at sumingit. Kung may sakit ka sa puso malamang matutuluyan ka dun.:lol: Ayos na ayospatakbo ng 5star at victory:okay:

[amigo32]

lol. electric bus na dapat ginamit dyan.

[kalbongdad]

lol. electric bus na dapat ginamit dyan.

agree ako dyan....dapat yung hi-tek dating...dahil iba ang bgc...

[WANCH]

One thing I noticed when I was in Subic Bay was a double-decker sightseeing bus. Unfortunately, I was unable to take a photo of it but I saw this bus only in this area.

Do you know other areas around P.I. with double decker buses. I mean thos that are operational?

[amigo32]

I've never seen one in my whole life.

Sakay sa top load ng jeep, na subukan ko na. hehehe

[bustero]

We used to have them but I don't think there are any left. There may be some tourist operations outside of the Manila. (Just a guess)

[bustero]

I was actually thinking that they can string a tram all the way from buendia station follow the over pass from buendia to the fort and have an ongrade tram around the fort area following the great circle route all the way to market market and back. Most of the route will be on grade following the park line so very few crossings and very cheap but it's long run implications is that it's a circulation line for the fort and mass transit junction for MR3 and ultimately the c5 and Northrail mass transit depot.

[pau_p1]

yeah.. there used to be a topless double decker buses that runs along Roxas Blvd when I was younger... and also the double decker buses of Metro Manila Transport Corp (MMTC) or the LoveBus that runs on EDSA in the 80's..

I hope they put those back... but now that all buses are privatized.. I don't think we'll see them again...

[iloilocitykid]

I wish there'd be double deckered jeeps with roofs. It's to save money and time and it's good for the environment plus it can showcase Filipino Ingenuity.

[pau_p1]

actually a monorail that rounds the MCBD and connects to BGC and goes around it would be better..:D probably start from Ayala MRT station strait to McKinley to Market Market to St. Lukes to Kalayaan Exit to Buendia, strait to Buendia, turn to Ayala and end in ayala MRT again.. :D

[kiretoce]

^^ Double decked jeepneys!? Yikes! :runaway:










(But on that note, why not double decked tricycles too?) :lol:

[iloilocitykid]

^^ No I'm serious. The drivers are the problem, not the vehicle. I wish they had a seminar every month on their driving skills.

[bustero]

^^good point

[r93k401]

yeah.. there used to be a topless double decker buses that runs along Roxas Blvd when I was younger... and also the double decker buses of Metro Manila Transport Corp (MMTC) or the LoveBus that runs on EDSA in the 80's..

I hope they put those back... but now that all buses are privatized.. I don't think we'll see them again...

yup. tawag yata dito eh motorco from luneta to baclaran. the last time i saw it was in baywalk, ginawang restaurant.. :lol:

[Insanedriver]

hmmm i'm sure if the bus i saw almost 6 years ago when i was in intramuros was a double-decker...
it was for tourists