Public Transportation and Intermodal Terminals

[Sinjin P.]

The Jeepney
http://www.jarsoftware.com/PI_Jeepney_WL.jpg

The Taxi
http://www7.plala.or.jp/saw-a/phip/taxi.jpg

The Bus
http://www2r.biglobe.ne.jp/~fruitbat/travels/philippine/bus.jpg

The Tricycle and the Pedicab
http://www.visayans.org/Images/phil_info_images/tripeds.jpg

The Metropolitan and Light Rail Transit
http://www.urbanrail.net/as/mani/manila-mrt2-2.jpg

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[Sinjin P.]

Phew... The taxi drivers are pushing for a P45 flagdown on their taxis... :( While the jeepney drivers in the whole Philippines are pushing for a P1-2 fare hike... Yikes!

[tigidig14]

^nasan yung PNR

[Lili]

I was just thinking of a thread along these lines. Don't forget the Caretelas or Calesas even if these are plying only the Intramuros historic areas. I think @Dancethingy has a picture we can lift in the photo albums thread. What else? The Pasig River ferry line. There are the "skates" in Quezon. Do we still have those cows pulling caravans of native woven products?

[tyronne]

The "Skylab"

http://internet.ggu.edu/~tragudo/skylab.jpg
http://internet.ggu.edu/~tragudo/skylab2.jpg

i've seen these when i went to Tandag, Surigao del Sur. i didn't try to ride on it though. i was scared.

[kiretoce]

^^ How many people can fit in that? :dunno:

[tyronne]

i counted 5 on each side, so 10, plus the driver, 11? :lol: i may be wrong hehe!

[kiretoce]

Looks like something you see in a circus, the clown act! :lol:

[bustero]

Maiksi pa nga iyan. (the plank i mean) it's pretty standard going up the MOUNTAINTRAILs in mindanao like up to Diwalwal or other remote areas na walang road.

That doesn't look like the original skylab. It's like a chinese acrobat , with up to 8 passenger 4on each side ADULTS may bitbit pang manok. And the plank is about 8 feet wide minsan 10 pa!

That's why it's called skylab kasi mukhang old skylab that was the US space station in the 70's.

You may as well include the various ferries in this thread since you're at it.

[Lili]

:LOL: :lol: SKYLAB!!! May bitbit pang manok! Yung bata, may dala pang ilang gallon ng tubig. Saka sako ng bigas.

[tyronne]

parang isang pamilya naglilipat-bahay.

[ryanr]

:lol: Thats crazy and dangerous...

I had an arguement with my cousin on which vehicle can carry more passengers...a motorcycle or a Ford Expedition. He won:D

[tigidig14]

^i bet you w/in a week that motorcycle transsmission will be dead.

[Lili]

Maybe they should do double decker Skylab. Para sulit na sulit.

[kiretoce]

Or a train of them. :colgate:

[sista]

:lol: Thats crazy and dangerous...

Ditto, but they could train those people to be acrobats, then it would be good entertainment lol

about the taxis, vying for a flag down rate of 45 Php...Please no, don't do it. My allowance can't afford it. For a 10 minute ride, I almost pay up to 60 Php depending on the speed of the cab.

My grandma's driver told me that the faster the taxi goes, the faster the meter runs because the device is located somewhere near or on the wheels of the taxi.

[renell]

the taxi driver looks like he's being carjacked in the photo :lol: the riceboy effect also hasn't escaped our taxis, maybe that's why the flagdown fare is 45 pesos, for the nitrous and the rear wings

[Sinjin P.]

@renell: :lol:

[Atlason]

Anyone knows where I can find good pictures of jeepneys?

[Sinjin P.]

http://chris.mckinney.net/images/f1.jpg

http://www.veranda.com.ph/viloria/june12/12cale.jpg

[dancethingy]

those Carabaw Caravans can be seen here along Commonwealth, malapit sa UP Diliman

[sandrin]

Aren't ferries and tug boat part of public transportation too particulary in the provinces?

[Sinjin P.]

Kasama rin but I'm still searching for pics of them. ;)

[MirageBistro]

Post here comments about taxis in the Philippines.
Dang, taxis need improvements and need to be replaced like the Tamaraw FX. :) Let us have a good time!

[MirageBistro]

NOTE:THIS IS A Very TRANSPORTATION THREAD
All welcome :master: :master: :master: :master: :master:

[KiBeN]

Yup, I agree that kailangan pagandahin yung mga taxi, pero wag naman yung mga sosyal na taxi katulad ng Germany ng BMW yung mga taxi nila... hahaha LOL!!! Tsaka dapat mga taxi driver marunong na din mag-english, para makakapag-comunicate sa mga foreigners...

[kiretoce]

Just curious....are cab drivers licensed to be cab drivers? Or just about anyone who can drive can be a cab driver?

[ryanr]

^^ The cab needs to be licensed with LTO. And they need the "professional" driver's license.

I agree, we need better cabs. Actually, what we need is a couple major taxi companies rather than individuals that own one or several taxis. That way, they can offer better and consistent service to passengers.
@ Kiben - we dont need BMWs as taxis in the Philippines. In Germany and in most of Western Europe, taxis are luxurious and expensive. The average commuter does not take taxis, they take the metro, bus and other mass transit. While in the Philippines, our mass transit isnt fully developed yet, so many commuters take taxis. I think good quality fleets of Toyota Altis, Vios and Avanza is enough for the streets of MM. However, Toyota Philippines is discouraging the use of Altis and Vios as taxis by voiding the warrenty to any used as taxis. They think it degrades its prestige. But come on, they are economy cars! Not only are they fuel efficient they are easy and cheaper to maintain, so they are best as taxis!

[ramvingar]

^^ Are all taxi cabs in Manila metered? Never ridden in one in Manila.

[Æsahættr]

^^ Yes.

In cebu there are several prominent fleets of Taxi's owned by Chinese buisnessman, so the situation there is a bit better than Manila from what I remember.

But every Taxi i've rode in the RoP has had completely worn out suspension.

[ryanr]

Is there still the problem of some taxi drivers not using their meter? And also, are taxi drivers in MM still choosing passengers headed for their direction? Last time i was there, things improved, especially in mall line-ups, where they have to take you where you want to go.

[tigidig14]

But every Taxi i've rode in the RoP has had completely worn out suspension.
ur some funny guy

anyway, we have this thing at the airport where everyone gets to have the taxi's calling card from the airport attendant in case you get mugged by the taxi driver w/c i found very neat :D

[MirageBistro]

It is metered. WELL :)

[MirageBistro]

I encourage pictures 100 % :happy:

[MirageBistro]

If they just use them SUV's instead of rickety cars

[WANCH]

Sa napapnsin ko, karamihan ng mga taxis dito ay privately owned! Anyway, hindi kailangan ng BMW taxi sa Pinas. Pwede na Toyota Corolla or kung pwede, Toyota Crown parang yung mga taxi sa HK.

Ang hindi ko lang gusto sa mga taxi dito ay yung mga drivers na namimili ng pasahero parang yung sa NY yung araw.

[MirageBistro]

They also have to at least get in new CBs and miniature screen tvs

[MirageBistro]

Ahh look like people not interest in taxi all along......... Ms. Swan get free hamburger all the time :)

[ryanr]

Could you please minimize your posts? I noticed that you post a lot of one-liners within a few minutes of each other. Just keep it one post, man;)

[Solblanc]

Taxis the world over are filthy, and more often than not, that filthiness extends to the driver.

[xXx carlos xXx]

They also have to at least get in new CBs and miniature screen tvs
i rode a taxi in cebu with a mini tv... my friends and i got to watch abs and gma.... it was nice... although minsan, blurry, pero ok na... take note, colored pa...

[ramvingar]

If they just use them SUV's instead of rickety cars

Well, that would be nice but then the price of the fare would be too high! :)

[Sinjin P.]

Some taxis in Cebu are already giving out receipts.

[Æsahættr]

^^
Good.

[ryanr]

Toyota Philippines will launch the Avanza in the Philippines soon. And they say that this will be the only model that should be converted into taxis. So future taxis will be this model:
http://www.tarad.com/tn_auto/img-lib/spd_2005090783703_b.jpg
http://taladrod.com/C/B/37/B498_3.jpg

[charitorae]

^^ Ooh those would look cute as taxis.

[ramvingar]

Toyota Philippines will launch the Avanza in the Philippines soon. And they say that this will be the only model that should be converted into taxis. So future taxis will be this model:
http://www.tarad.com/tn_auto/img-lib/spd_2005090783703_b.jpg
http://taladrod.com/C/B/37/B498_3.jpg


Those would be a big improvement. :)

[Askal82]

It looks like the Tamaraw FX's. Anyway, they look nice.

[IsaganiZenze]

anywho, i was just wondering, what is the usual rate for taxi fares in manila, i know they meter, but how many peso/km?

[Æsahættr]

Toyota Philippines will launch the Avanza in the Philippines soon. And they say that this will be the only model that should be converted into taxis. So future taxis will be this model:
http://www.tarad.com/tn_auto/img-lib/spd_2005090783703_b.jpg
http://taladrod.com/C/B/37/B498_3.jpg

Pretty hot. Can't wait to see them on the streets!

[ryanr]

It looks like the Tamaraw FX's. Anyway, they look nice.

only, they wont be used as FX service. They will be regular taxis:)

[tigidig14]

second the motion that car is cute

[ramvingar]

only, they wont be used as FX service. They will be regular taxis:)

edit - nevermind. Dumb question.

[ryanr]

^ I would assume, yes.

Edit: still saw it though!:D

[MirageBistro]

It looks like the Tamaraw FX's. Anyway, they look nice.
So would it make I good replacement?
:) or would you want to keep the FXs

[Æsahættr]

Why does Toyota and Mitsu still make Tamaraw and L-300 still in the Phils. I swear we are the only country that still uses them and is like in love with them.

Wouldn't you want one of those Korean made Mercedez vans to replace the L300s and Tamaraws?

[MirageBistro]

Why does Toyota and Mitsu still make Tamaraw and L-300 still in the Phils. I swear we are the only country that still uses them and is like in love with them.

Wouldn't you want one of those Korean made Mercedez vans to replace the L300s and Tamaraws?
Maybe not :)
Reason: Easily stolen, Active on inner city routes, etc

[sista]

Toyota Philippines will launch the Avanza in the Philippines soon. And they say that this will be the only model that should be converted into taxis. So future taxis will be this model:
http://www.tarad.com/tn_auto/img-lib/spd_2005090783703_b.jpg
http://taladrod.com/C/B/37/B498_3.jpg

cute car! also, the Philippines should have a single color scheme for taxis like the ones in Malaysia (taxis there are red and white as far as I remember and all look the same) and China (forgot the color of the taxis but they also look the same and the bio-diesel fuel operated taxis are colored green and white) because our taxis have different color schemes/style. It doesn't look good and I think it's less effecient.

[ryanr]

Why does Toyota and Mitsu still make Tamaraw and L-300 still in the Phils. I swear we are the only country that still uses them and is like in love with them.

Wouldn't you want one of those Korean made Mercedez vans to replace the L300s and Tamaraws?

Toyota does not make the Tamarraw FX anymore;) Its been replaced with the Innova.
But yeah, i dont know why Mitsubishi Philippines continues to make L300s.

@ sista - MMDA is encouraging all taxi operators to paint their cars white.

[MirageBistro]

Toyota does not make the Tamarraw FX anymore;) Its been replaced with the Innova.
But yeah, i dont know why Mitsubishi Philippines continues to make L300s.

@ sista - MMDA is encouraging all taxi operators to paint their cars white.
Yeah, but not for public use yet :)
It started with the airport taxis right?

[jef7]

Does anyone here have any experiences with taking a taxi from NAIA 1 late at night? Of course I've never had any problems taking a taxi for early arrivals at MNL, but for late-night arriving flights, I wonder if it's safe? I guess one could do transfer directly with the hotels, but I suspect the price to be tripled, if not more.

[MirageBistro]

Does anyone here have any experiences with taking a taxi from NAIA 1 late at night? Of course I've never had any problems taking a taxi for early arrivals at MNL, but for late-night arriving flights, I wonder if it's safe? I guess one could do transfer directly with the hotels, but I suspect the price to be tripled, if not more.
Actually, if youre talking about robbery, its not you whos in danger
Its the driver

[ryanr]

^^ The airport taxis are safer than regular taxis..so you shouldnt be experiencing any problems with them.

[kiretoce]

Does anyone here have any experiences with taking a taxi from NAIA 1 late at night? Of course I've never had any problems taking a taxi for early arrivals at MNL, but for late-night arriving flights, I wonder if it's safe? I guess one could do transfer directly with the hotels, but I suspect the price to be tripled, if not more.

Don't hotels in Metro Manila have complimentary airport pick-up/drop-off shuttle/limo service? :dunno:

[MirageBistro]

^^ The airport taxis are safer than regular taxis..so you shouldnt be experiencing any problems with them.
Yeah, they have good service(but expensive) including CBs which they always say "bravo" "charlie"
"alpha" "delta" ;)

[jef7]

Don't hotels in Metro Manila have complimentary airport pick-up/drop-off shuttle/limo service? :dunno:

You know kiretoce, some Makati hotels do offer transfer from the airport to the hotel. However, it really isn't complimentary, if you know what I mean. The room rate you have to pay, most of the time is almost double the cheapest rate.

But I guess the official taxi, should be fine. Thanks for the reassurance.

[ryanr]

Yeah, they have good service(but expensive) including CBs which they always say "bravo" "charlie"
"alpha" "delta" ;)

Airport taxis aren't expensive. Yes, they are more expensive the regular taxis, but they are fairly priced for their better service. Also, regular taxis are not allowed to pick up arriving passengers.

[MirageBistro]

Airport taxis aren't expensive. Yes, they are more expensive the regular taxis, but they are fairly priced for their better service. Also, regular taxis are not allowed to pick up arriving passengers.
Yep. Arriving Passengers need their own car or as you said, airport taxi service.
BTW: the drivers will talk to you in a ver kind and interesting way. Will also ask nice questions, not like the local taxis which keep on talking about the burnt down harrison plaza....etc

[Æsahættr]

^^
Yeah, its a pleasant experience.

[bustero]

The avanza should be interesting. I've not seen one up close, it should be smaller than an innova , larger than the vios, which is what is being used now for taxis and which toyota want's to discourage.

With the demise of the fx, I'm curious which will be the standard bearer for the maxi-taxis. I hope they put up a new model for this too and kill the jeeps.

Yes there are very large taxi companies operating in MM, even larger than the fleets in cebu but because of the absolute number of cabs in the metropolis, it's small relative to total populations hence not as easy to see. I think if you had a 1000 cab fleet that would not stand out much.

All in all taxis are quite cheap here and relatively safe, though always use precaution as in every other place.

[Æsahættr]

^^
http://www.trucktrade.ru/pics/156_359.jpg

I love those Starex turbodiesels.

[ryanr]

The avanza should be interesting. I've not seen one up close, it should be smaller than an innova , larger than the vios, which is what is being used now for taxis and which toyota want's to discourage.

With the demise of the fx, I'm curious which will be the standard bearer for the maxi-taxis. I hope they put up a new model for this too and kill the jeeps.

Yes there are very large taxi companies operating in MM, even larger than the fleets in cebu but because of the absolute number of cabs in the metropolis, it's small relative to total populations hence not as easy to see. I think if you had a 1000 cab fleet that would not stand out much.

All in all taxis are quite cheap here and relatively safe, though always use precaution as in every other place.

Yeah, its smaller than the Innova and larger than the Vios. :)

I certainly do not hope for anything to kill the jeepney. Its part of our heritage, let it live. But however, i want its services to be reduced. Let the MRT, buses and FX type cabs fully take over in main thoroughfares. I also do not want to see any jeeps in Makati and BGC.

True, there are so many taxis in the metro that even if a company has a large fleet, it will hardly make a dent in the taxi scene. But thats just it, i wish all taxis belong to a large company and have 5-10 major taxi companies controlling Manila's taxi operations. That way, there is more consistency, better security, more reliable service and more professionalism. I base this on the success of the taxi operations in Jakarta, where the largest company, Blue Bird has received many awards on their professional service throughout Asia.

I think cab operators will find the Starex too expensive to operate. But airport taxis use them.

[MirageBistro]

Somehow, this thread reaches 600 after 3 days :bash:

[bustero]

grey, i suppose you've seen in them in djakarta, they're three rows right? 2/3/2 that's what i was made to understand.

any place with a jeepney service can best be served by a minibus (the right type not the old ones which were banned), more efficient less breakdowns, better drivers, they can keep the jeeps is some tourst places. the time for more efficient transpo has come , we can't keep it around forever, it's 60 year old makedo technology which killed the tram system in manila, don't get me wrong I'm quite fine with the idea and sentiment of the jeep but as mass transport and in a sustainable manner leaves a lot to be desired.

[queetz@home]

^ HAH!!!! I thought World War 2 killed the tram system in Manila!!! :eek:

Well!!! I guess all the more reason to agree with your opinions. Too add to that, jeepneys also help create the mega traffic jams present in some major roadways, despite improvements like viaducts. Those jeepneys have to go and be placed solely for tourist and "heritage" purposes, sort of like how San Francisco has those cable cars and F-Line streetcar.

Minibuses (aka shuttle buses normally seen in airports shuttling people to rental car lots) to help supplement a transit fleet for those sprawly routes are becoming a rave in some North Americans cities for some reason.

[bustero]

^^you're actually right, the american bombing damaged it , but the key extenuating circumstance for not rebuilding was that it was cheaper to rely on the jeepney and since so much other reconstruction needed to be done, they didn't bother. It was a workable stop gap at the time but is now lasting too long for a serious transit solution. Just too bad, otherwise we'd have a nice system of trams in place , instead of the jeepneys.

on another note the maxi taxi is killing some of jeepneys efficiency, the fx's take a hughe bite out of the longer runs since they're so much more comfortable!

[queetz@home]

^^ Well, the tram lines aren't the only one needed to be reconstructed after WW2 but note that this was a time when the US was tearing down their tram lines because of the GM Streetcar Conspiracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy

And given that the Philippines pretty much followed the American model of auto-oriented transportation as oppose to the more efficient European rail oriented model, that could have also contributed to the demise of the Tramvia.

[_zner_]

ive seen a fancy taxi once, and guest what? that taxi is toyota Vios!! i was shocked because i cant imagine seeing a vios turning into a taxi...and mind you, it was something like vios was newly released in the market..

[Dvorak]

flag down is Php30.00, then every 250 meters, it's Php2.50 (so that's 10.00 per KM).. then every 60 secs idle it's another Php2.50.

so a 15 KM taxi ride should cost you around Php180.00+ depending on traffic.

anywho, i was just wondering, what is the usual rate for taxi fares in manila, i know they meter, but how many peso/km?

[Dvorak]

you haven't rode / seen an ALTIS one yet.. madami dami na rin sila..

also a lot of taxi now are using LPG as fuel... it's cheaper.. only costs them 22.00 per liter compared to 38.00 for gas.

ive seen a fancy taxi once, and guest what? that taxi is toyota Vios!! i was shocked because i cant imagine seeing a vios turning into a taxi...and mind you, it was something like vios was newly released in the market..

[ryanr]

@ Bustero - Yeah, the Avanza is 2/3/2. More space than an Altis or Vios.
Ok, i guess ya'll are right. They should replace the jeepney with other forms of transportation in most routes and keep the jeepney as heritage tourist vehicles in key parts of the metro. Then, have the other thousands of jeepneys from MM move to the provinces.

@ myx - Why were you shocked to see a Vios taxi? The Vios is an inexpensive car, easy to maintain, high fuel milage and has abundant spare parts, it is inevitable that operators will turn them to taxis, despite Toyota voiding their warranty.

@ dvorak - Really? I didnt know some taxis are using LPG as fuel. Thats good news. What make and model are they?

@ wally - :cry: I could imagine a series of trams around Manila. That would have been so cool.

[rustyboi]

I think good quality fleets of Toyota Altis, Vios and Avanza is enough for the streets of MM. However, Toyota Philippines is discouraging the use of Altis and Vios as taxis by voiding the warrenty to any used as taxis. They think it degrades its prestige. But come on, they are economy cars! Not only are they fuel efficient they are easy and cheaper to maintain, so they are best as taxis!

There are Altis and Vios taxi cabs in Cebu too. cabs here are very very very well maintained compared to most Manila cabs. :) based on my experience.

[Dvorak]

@GreyX - I've seen old models with LPG also new VIOS with LPGs too.. mostly MGEs taxis... to date there are only 3 refilling station I think of LPG... it's really neat.. with a switch they can go back and use petrol if their LPG ran out.

@ Bustero - Yeah, the Avanza is 2/3/2. More space than an Altis or Vios.
Ok, i guess ya'll are right. They should replace the jeepney with other forms of transportation in most routes and keep the jeepney as heritage tourist vehicles in key parts of the metro. Then, have the other thousands of jeepneys from MM move to the provinces.

@ myx - Why were you shocked to see a Vios taxi? The Vios is an inexpensive car, easy to maintain, high fuel milage and has abundant spare parts, it is inevitable that operators will turn them to taxis, despite Toyota voiding their warranty.

@ dvorak - Really? I didnt know some taxis are using LPG as fuel. Thats good news. What make and model are they?

@ wally - :cry: I could imagine a series of trams around Manila. That would have been so cool.

[AH-7Raja]

RP government should support a project that will install some safety devices on all kinds of landbourne Taxis, and they should tap the LTO to make this a mandatory safety procedures. This is to serve both purposes of protecting the driver or the passengers.

I have 3 proposals to make (all should be installed):

1. AMBER-L.E.D. LIGHTS: A very simple safety device should do it and activating it by just pushing a button from inside the vehicle by the driver or by the passengers (1 button at the front and at the rear for passengers). Such as an installation of 2 amber anti-carjacking/harassment LED lights/signal-indicator lights with a written message/sign below it that reads: "Call POLICE when flashing", at both ends (1 front & 1 rear) of the vehicle, where which another or other motorists could see it in an event of carjacking, harassments, or any criminal acts being committed against both the driver and the passengers.

Both devices should be installed professionally with fool-proof technology to avoid any alterations or disconnections.

2. DIVIDER: A cage devider or anything that is made of fiberglass technology, or better yet if possible, some bullet-proof cage, to house the driver for protection from any type of mili-attacks such as knife, or gunshots. This can also be serving the purpose of protecting the passengers from any drivers who are taking advantage of their female passengers. This way a separate electronic/automatic coin or bill dispenser/vending machine, located inside the cage but with its main slot sticking out for the passengers when paying.

3. GPS: Installation of Global Positioning System for an easy tracking and monitoring.

[ryanr]

1. AMBER-L.E.D. LIGHTS: A very simple safety device should do it and activating it by just pushing a button from inside the vehicle by the driver or by the passengers (1 button at the front and at the rear for passengers). Such as an installation of 2 amber anti-carjacking/harassment LED lights/signal-indicator lights with a written message/sign below it that reads: "Call POLICE when flashing", at both ends (1 front & 1 rear) of the vehicle, where which another or other motorists could see it in an event of carjacking, harassments, or any criminal acts being committed against both the driver and the passengers.


Do they have this kind of system in other countries? First time i've heard of such device. Good idea though.

I also think all taxis should have a GPS system. Another reason to why corporate managed fleets is the way to go. They can have a centralised GPS network to keep track of their taxi units.

[AH-7Raja]

Do they have this kind of system in other countries? First time i've heard of such device. Good idea though.

I also think all taxis should have a GPS system. Another reason to why corporate managed fleets is the way to go. They can have a centralised GPS network to keep track of their taxi units.

i wish it was my original idea but its not cuz its a good business though... we've been using that type of device here in canada for more than 5 years now and i believe it originated here too, yes an almost new tech for the americans as well. today all taxis here are equipped with such safety device and became a law more than 5 yrs ago, RP should look onto it.

in RP, we can also do it without dealing with the canadian suppliers of such devices.

it is a very simple device, a filipino businessman can actually make huge money out of this just by looking for an electrician or if anyone who can do it then sell it, even without the help of the government.

the divider is not new in town, we had it before, i dont know today, but if we really do, we need to update it.

GPS is a perfect idea, i just cant wait when RP start installing it on our taxis or even in police cruisers.

again all 3 technologies can be a potential money earners.

[bustero]

That new toyota Avanza looks really cool, apparently they also use it as a taxi model elsewhere. It's also a jv with Daihasu being sold as the xenia!

THe suggesntions above are really good, I'm curious how much they would add tot he taxi, realistically, it cant be that much.

[AH-7Raja]

very cheap my friends, EVEN YOU CAN DO IT THEN SELL IT OR HAVE IT PATENTED for protection so nobody else in RP can copy ur business.

time is gold.

[ryanr]

I have to admit that the Avanza photos are posted earlier are the higher end models. The taxis version will most likely be the watered down version. Sorry i used to have a photo of it, cant find it anymore. But the bumper is black with the plastic/rubber material (dunno what its called).

Yeah, the Daihatsu Xenia (toyota owns majority of Daihatsu) and the Avanza are very successful in Indonesia. Where else are they used as taxis, Bustero?

Anyways...the interior. Good enough for taxis:
http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles/0/article_99/big_interior.jpg

@ Raja - woah...i live in Canada:D Didnt know our taxis have that. Not so sure with Vancouver taxis, though.

[AH-7Raja]

I have to admit that the Avanza photos are posted earlier are the higher end models. The taxis version will most likely be the watered down version. Sorry i used to have a photo of it, cant find it anymore. But the bumper is black with the plastic/rubber material (dunno what its called).

Anyways...the interior. Good enough for taxis:
http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles/0/article_99/big_interior.jpg

@ Raja - woah...i live in Canada:D Didnt know our taxis have that. Not so sure with Vancouver taxis, though.

nice pictures!

oh yeah atleast in ontario, where i live... they got both the GPS and that anti-carjacking Amber signal/indicator-light, but it only serves the purpose of protecting the drivers and not the passengers... well i guess since harassment by the drivers are not an issue here at all, but yeah in RP...

[pau_p1]

I'm not able to read the previous pages.. I think that our taxis doesn't only need any improvement... it should also include the drivers themselves... they should also put the meters on the dashboard rather than the lowest compartment on the car's dashboard... unlike taxis in other countries where you can easily see and trackdown your taxi fare... the meters are hidden behind the gear sticks..

[AH-7Raja]

we need certain laws to be implemented to control and organize these undesirable acts by the drivers, then put an end in their irrational system and unsafe procedures...

[bustero]

uy good busienss prospects and ideas from raj!

Pau , you're quite right about the drivers, specially from a tourism point of view they can really harass the tourst and give the country a bad name!

grey, nice pix, looks ok for a taxi here, I understand they're also popular at least in thailand. probably in ASEAN in the future.

[ryanr]

btw, if anybody needs proof that the Avanza will be used as a taxi, here's an article from philstar: ;)

Toyota to unveil Avanza in Q4 to serve taxi market
By Marianne V. Go
The Philippine Star 03/28/2006

Toyota Motor Philippines Corp. (TMPC) plans to introduce the smaller version of the Innova, the Avanza, in the last quarter of this year to possibly serve the commercial taxi market.

According to Atty. Rommel R. Gutierrez, assistant vice president of TMPCs Management Services Office and Corporate Planning Group, Toyota has been trying to discourage the use of its high-end Altis and Vios models as taxicabs.

However, acknowledging that there is a demand for a vehicle to service the taxi-riding market, TMPC, Gutierrez said, is seriously studying the possibility of coming up with a commercial version of the still to be introduced Avanza.

TMPC spokesman Ariel de Jesus admitted that TMPC has been discouraging the conversion of its Altis and Vios models into taxis by voiding their warranties if the vehicles are converted into commercial taxicabs.

Toyota, De Jesus said, does not want to erode the value of its Altis and Vios models by allowing them to be used as taxis.

However, Toyota, De Jesus confirmed, acknowledges the demand for a vehicle to replace the Revo which is being used as a commuter vehicle.

Toyota, De Jesus said, is also discouraging the use of the Innova model as a commercial vehicle.

As such, Toyota is more amenable to allowing the use of the Avanza as a taxi.

The Avanza, which will be imported from Indonesia, is a smaller version of the Innova. The still-to-be-introduced Avanza can also seat up to eight passengers.

In a related development, Toyota said it will start assembling its popular Vios model in the country next year as it discontinues the manufacture of the Altis model.

According to TMPC spokesman Ariel de Jesus, TMPC has decided to assemble the more economical Vios model in the country along with the current bestseller Innova model.

At present, TMPC locally assembles the Camry, the Innova and Altis models.

TMPC last year assembled locally 829 units of the premium Camry sedan, 4,121 units of the Altis sedan and 12,876 units of the Innova.

TMPC imports the Fortuner, Hilux pick-up, RAV-4 sports utility vehicle and Vios models as completely-built-up units.

TMPC is expected to put in additional investments for the assembly of the Vios.

TMPC would then just import the Altis model from Thailand which has a much bigger market for the sedan.

Toyota Motor Thailand Co., Ltd. manufactures the Camry, Altis and Vios models in its Gateway facility, while its other facility assembles the Hilux pick-up and Fortuner model at its Samrong facility.

However, Toyota Thailand is projecting an enviable production this year of 460,000 units.

TMPCs production, in comparison, pales at around 25,000 annually, although its Sta. Rosa plant has a 50,000 unit capacity.

[MirageBistro]

Toyota's designs are crazy, good man :)

[VerticalSingapore]

Taxis in the Phils are still individually owned. It should be by private listed companies, 2 or 3 to compete at the most, and have them rent out their cabs to those individuals who want to operate them. These cab drivers have to follow strict guidelines, else, their license with the company will be forfeited.

It's how they do it in Singapore, and it's safe & efficient. The companies equip their cabs with reliable metres, GPS systems, NETS (debit card) or credit card payment systems, even videoke (well, that's not really necessary).

Importante, nde scrap taxis ang ginagamit, at madaling habulin kung manloloko ang driver. ;)

[FrancisXavier]

Taxis in CDO. Dominated by these Sentras and altis. Taxi companies in CDO are little by little facing out their old corola and sentra units.


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/angeleslew/000_1738.jpg
Taxi by the slum


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/angeleslew/000_1745.jpg

[ikra]

Guys i think its important to note that space is also a big importance if we want to go forward.. =) in london buses and taxis have low floorings and special tracks that allows disabled people in wheelchairs to be able to easily get on the city transport. It is a bit sad to see that accessibility to disabled peope in our country is widely overlooked.

and i also think that it is a good thing to have a big space inside to at least allow more space to items and baggage. Anyways, the advantages are there too for women who has strollers for their children... even in the bus there is a place where disabled people and children strollers can position themselves.

jeepneys and our taxis dont offer this accessibility to all the people in the philippines. It is a sad thought really. I think transport is a bit of a mess in the pinas i guess, but that can change soon if we have funds??? I really do not agree with jeepneys as the main form of transport anymore.. although its something of a national pride but its destination now is the museums... lol

[Sou-jiro]

Yeh major revamp of taxis in Manila are urgently needed

i agree that there should 2 or 3 mainline taxi company's in Manila rather than individually owned ones, this will enable the company to Manage the taxis and train they're drivers more profesionally....also if they have Uniforms (though im not sure if they do)...speaking a bit more English would always be nice especially w/tourists.

Alot of Taxi's in Manila are showing they're age too...just look at those sentra's for example and many and not well maintained enough...both inside & outside..(sometimes the aircon wont even work on a hot-humid day!!!!..

There are still some drivers that pick the direction instead of the passengers. Also if you guys listen to some radio station in Manila you will hear a lot of passengers complain abbout alot od drivers attitude...(rudeness, going a longer route swearing etc)....how ever i am not generalising...i've experince both good & bad taxi service in Manila.

Having said the negative...i think they also need to do more to protect the drivers....many of them are easy holdup, or robbery targets..alot of taxis get stolen...They should put those cab barriers for the drivers & have the cabs monitored (thats how it is here in Sydney)...& realistically as i said early...the taxis's are old & not veyr well equiped...well thats my 2 cents

[bustero]

There are a few companies which are not small, at least several hundred taxis. At this point , consolidation still has not come in and perhaps may not at all. In the US, individual y owned cabs are very common in many major markets.

[VerticalSingapore]

Having said the negative...i think they also need to do more to protect the drivers....many of them are easy holdup, or robbery targets..alot of taxis get stolen...They should put those cab barriers for the drivers & have the cabs monitored (thats how it is here in Sydney)...& realistically as i said early...the taxis's are old & not veyr well equiped...well thats my 2 cents


These are really major concerns. Cashless payments in public transportation from buses to trains to taxis will really curb robbers. Students, bus & taxi drivers, and all commuters for that matter will have peace of mind on the road. And then there's GPS systems and car tracking devices for stolen vehicles. These are examples of technology keeping criminals & frauds at bay.

[Sinjin P.]

OT: Where is MirageBistro?

[Ady001]

About Davao Taxis... I have to say...

[ergit222]

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/ergit222/manitaxi.jpg
MMDA should junk all unsightly and old taxis off Manila street already.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/ergit222/xin_1702020813567481241118.jpg
Look at these "chedeng" taxis in China. Kainggit....naka"tuxedo" pa mga drivers.

[tigidig14]

damn just like germany lol

[habagatcentral1]

Buhay pa ba ang non-aircon taxis sa Davao? I think that's the only major city sa Pinas na merong option sa non-aircon (except Baguio of course)

[Ady001]

^^ bernie mack, i think there are more non-air dito than aircon, because sa hirp ng panahon. And about the comments i made about Davao taxis, indeed, our Kia Pride is no pride at all... sorry guys... :'(

[Ady001]

but, let's face it. Why need taxis when we have Jeepneys? just tell the foreigners: "YOU CANNOT EXPERIENCE THE PHILIPPINES WITHOUT RIDING THE JEEPNEY" :D

[Dvorak]

are those the 2.0 yuan taxis?? wow..


http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/ergit222/xin_1702020813567481241118.jpg
Look at these "chedeng" taxis in China. Kainggit....naka"tuxedo" pa mga drivers.

[marites4]

jeepneys would suffice. They just need to enclose it and put ac. and also control the nasty emissions.

[WawaY[625]]

here in davao..we have non-air taxis..pero i wont compain kasi mura lang..26 ang flag down and a 10Km ride woiuld only cost me around 70 pesos compared to a/c taxis na aabot ng more than a hundred pesos.. :D

its just sad that theyre gonna phase out the non-air taxis by 2008..

[FrancisXavier]

Buhay pa ba ang non-aircon taxis sa Davao? I think that's the only major city sa Pinas na merong option sa non-aircon (except Baguio of course)
I guess most of the taxis in DVO are non aircon(KIA), for i only saw 2 Toyota corola taxis during my 4 day trip there. What caught my attention is the many "MALIGAYA" taxis.. i liked it. And, Taxi drivers there are nice.. Very friendly to the customers. Unlike in the other citis(to include CDO), magaganda nga taxi(Altis or Nissan sentra) pero rude and mga drivers, gaganchohan ka pa minsan...not all taxi drivers though...

[junax]

yeah, cdo taxis are new ones and very nice...

in davao, the old ones that are running are mostly mga pioneers pa yan, nung nagsimulang magtaxi ang davao if i'm not mistaken mga 1991. naaalala ko pa noong P.U. pa ang parang taxi namin noon, maliliit na kotse hehe used as parang tricyle. those P.U.s are pushed into extinction by holiday (kia prides) and avis taxis (mostly mitsubishi), maligaya (nissan), and other taxi operators... i remember pa nga minsan na we have everything around 1995-1998 davao city have tamaraw fx, nissan sentra, kia pride, toyota corolla, mitsubishi, daihatsu and suzuki yung parang loafbread, as taxis. we also introduced to the philippines yung pwede tawagan ang taxi, papuntahin sa location mo na free of charge coz most taxis have radios controlled by the operators. until now pwede pa rin tawagan most of davao taxis.

non aircon taxis are my favorite too, it's cheaper at hindi namimili ng lugar, unfortunately wala nang franchise na ibinibigay ang LTO region XI umpisa last year. so lahat ng nakikita natin na kia is running until this year or part of them next year nalang. if you notice lahat ng bagong taxi ngayon are mostly brand new na. next year and so on, wala nang non-air kia taxi ang davao hu hu hu, i will miss them. i have my own car pero pag hindi ko dala, hindi ako nag fa flag ng aircon unless i'm on a date nuon hehe. current aircon taxis in davao are stationed usually at DIA, hotels and malls kaya kia ang most visible. i hope kahit wala ng kia, meron paring option for non-air ang davao, at saka dapat piso piso parin per km unlike aircon na 2 pesos per km.

[tj_brewed]

waaaaa.... i'll miss the NON-AIRCONDITIONED Taxis! Davao will never be the same again without 'em! ahihihihihihihihi...

[ikra]

oh well.. car taxis are not very friendly to disabled person.

china, they got MERCEDES taxis omg!!! those cars cost a bunch.... :D

[rockwell baller]

i'll agree if taxis in the philippines are all toyota vios! now that's comfort and luxury(not much) pwd na! hehehe..:hahaha:

[habagatcentral1]

here in davao..we have non-air taxis..pero i wont compain kasi mura lang..26 ang flag down and a 10Km ride woiuld only cost me around 70 pesos compared to a/c taxis na aabot ng more than a hundred pesos.. :D

its just sad that theyre gonna phase out the non-air taxis by 2008..

Nakupow! Wa na affordable taxis?! From Airport to Downtown was just P60 to P75 lang sa non-aircon; P100 hangtud Matina Crossing via Diversion//

Pag aircon na yan...buslot bulsa! Goodness, daku kaayo ang Davao oi. Wahahaha! :cry:

[Sinjin P.]

I miss the old days wherein the flagdown for airconditioned taxis was just P20.00 and on the other hand, P14.00 for non-airconditioned taxis... Plus, back then, it was just an additional P1.00 per 200 meters of travel... Now, non-airconditioned taxis are extinct (here in Cebu) and travelling with the taxi is simply so expensive having P30.00 as the flagdown rate and an additional P2.50 per 300 meters of travel.. :sly:

[IAMME]

anywho, i was just wondering, what is the usual rate for taxi fares in manila, i know they meter, but how many peso/km?
Flag-down rate is P40 or P30. Here in Iloilo it's 30, but I think it's P40 in MM. That's good for the first 300 meters. Then, for every 250m after that, they charge P 2.50.

[IAMME]

Travelling around the Philippines, you'd notice numerous variations of the Jeepney, the Tricycle, and the Pedicab. Show us your own local version of these Pinoy vehicles. What other forms of transport can we identify to be uniquely Filipino?

[ikra]

i really dont fancy these types of transportation, yes, heritage is there, our culture... etc.... but is it really practical?? i think not.... if youve been to other countries you would know why im saying this. Its because the accessibility of such public transports are poor. I mean, a guy on a wheelchair cannot easily step on a jeepney, or a mother who has a her child on a push chair, etc etc.... jeeponeys are so cramped and getting in is already a big hassle to itself.

[Sinjin P.]

^ Well said.

[Sinjin P.]

^ I think the flagdown is P30 nationwide (correct me if I am wrong)

[bustero]

R& E and another company are both fighting over the first 1400 Avanza Toyota taxis it seems. The new models unlike in Jakarta will not have a 3rd row but instead will have 2 rows and a large space at the back. abangan this month for the launch.

[WawaY[625]]

sana wag ma phase out ang non-aircon taxis ng davao... it would be too expensive for the riding public kung A/C lahat ng taxi dito, i took an a/c taxi kanina and from jacks ridge to our house, it cost me 120 pesos..(eh mga 60 lang yun sa non-aircon..i remember paying more than P200 din from our place to Karls Coffee..MAHAL..Davao si too wide for A/C taxis..hehe..

[FlowFlow]

Some taxis in Cebu are already giving out receipts.

wow.. okei yung ganyang sistema a! *applauds*

[IAMME]

^^True...
Regarding tricycles, I think they should be phased out little by little. They're extremely noisy and emit a lot of pollution. They're also dangerous especially when 12 people cram into (and on top of) them. However, we have hundreds of thousands of them and some cities employ them as their primary mode of transportation. If we cannot drastically re-engineer the tricycle to something more efficient, I recommend an eventual phase-out. Would ten years be enough time?

[ikra]

10 years is more than enough given that we start acting today :) nothings impossible...

[stephencua]

haha.. good luck in getting them phased out.. you know the second people hear that the unions and the drivers would immediately decry that they are being persecuted and that you are taking away their only source of living.. geez.. they'll be around forever..

[Sinjin P.]

^^True...
Regarding tricycles, I think they should be phased out little by little. They're extremely noisy and emit a lot of pollution. They're also dangerous especially when 12 people cram into (and on top of) them. However, we have hundreds of thousands of them and some cities employ them as their primary mode of transportation. If we cannot drastically re-engineer the tricycle to something more efficient, I recommend an eventual phase-out. Would ten years be enough time?

Well tricycles and pedicabs dominate our city streets :runaway: I don't know why the government doesn't regulate the franchises of these, as a result, unhired pedicabs and tricycles park on the streets!

Anyway, how are the airconditioned jeepneys? Are they plying the streets already?

[marites4]

tricycles jeepneys need to be phased out. bikes need to have their own lanes. We lose alot of money from the traffic and pollution created by tricycles. We need to have a more orderly regulated form of public transport in the inner streets. Like a minibus with a schedule and people just wait on designated zones. Have you tried driving behind tricycles and jeepneys it's like a million of them. A ten minute drive can take you an hour . The money we'll save on increased productivity will more than negate the loss of income of these trike drivers. Really, how much do they make anyways. They cannot move up the economic ladder being trike drivers. And jollibee should be fined for having everything in plastic, styrofoam , there are 80 million people using everything in plastic styrofoam if we don't ban these products now , we will all be buried in plastic filth. It's a shame no one is spearheading a campaign to slowly phase out these products when they're banned already in other countries. THat's a sign of another poor leadership and unabashed apathy toward the environment and future of this nation.

[habagatcentral1]

In Gensan, its Trike republic and people find it convenient-even if Gensan is a major city, it is still their primary mode of transpo. Same as Kalibo, Roxas, Digos, Tacurong, Pagadian so on and so forth. Also, in CDO, they have the "motorella".

But one "motorbike-mode of transportation dominates the rural Philippines, especially Vizminda...."habal-habal", and I've heard its also making its way in Metro Manila where MMDA is having a hard time stopping it.

Reality check, there are tricycles in other parts of Asia, although different. Trikes cannot be removed very quickly, or within this case a decade. Phasing this out especially cities heavily dependent on trikes and rural areas is very very difficult unless the government and the private sector would find an alternative to it. A more feasible way of phasing them out is to prevent them from getting into major thoroughfares of a major city or even the highway if possible.

I don't know if the Miag-ao (Iloilo) drivers would replace their trikes with multicabs since they find it (and I find it) more expensive to maintain than having a trike.

In Manila, you may phase it out or in other major urban areas but for small cities and provincial towns, this is impossible as of this decade or so.

But for now, the best possible way with regards to road safety is to impose ordinances limiting the number of passengers per vehicle.

And as for habal-habal, if there is no choice then kindly ask manong driver to be carefull with driving.

[ikra]

haha.. good luck in getting them phased out.. you know the second people hear that the unions and the drivers would immediately decry that they are being persecuted and that you are taking away their only source of living.. geez.. they'll be around forever..

come on... forever?? do you seriously want them to be there forever?? its easy to give jobs to the the drivers, careful planning and restructuring programs would give them jobs... and waiting for the right time when our economy has improved. I dont get it why people are so pessimistic to such ideas, when we clearly need to change a lot of things. Maybe all our government heads have a mind like you which always thinks "so be it since we cannot change that". I have heard numerous of times even a hundred from foreigners that the public transport in the philippines was like hell and never would they use one again.

Disorganised transportation causes massive problems... traffic jams, congestion, pollution, disorganization, safety hazard, to name a few. Although I do think that it doesnt happen overnight, but over a number of years. The sooner we do something about it the better. A good public transport can fuel investment and development.

I think we should start reforming our public transportation. Jeepneys in the city are causing so much congestion and traffic. I also think they are very inconvenient and not practical. I think the local goverment should create a public transport sector which would handle all things related to such, i.e. controlling a major part of the public transport system while at the same time allowing and managing private transport companies.

The main reason for this i think is because of its practicality where disabled people cannot easily ride on jeepneys, think about those people who are in wheelchairs, blind people, the disabled.. i think the rights of such people in this country is so downgraded that we dont even think about them anymore as to how we can improve their lives. Even for a normal person, a full jeppney is a tough task to get on to. Other than that, jeepneys seem to stop everywhere as long as there are passengers. Not only do we see empty jeepneys most of the time since its causing a very fierce competition but at the same time doesnt look very pleasing to the eye.

A well organised public transport is also a key to attracting investments and development within the city. My proposal are the use of low floor buses which eases the boarding of both disabled and normal passengers. Designated bus stops around the city, each bus stop should have a well sized shed and appropriate seating. A bus stop should be able to handle different lines that goes through it. And a transport path that is more efficient without the need for more buses. Buses offers more seating thus lesser vehicles on the road and thus lesser congestion and traffic. Another thing is that we should also change the payment system i think. We should be able to choose between one ride ticket or a full day ticket. Ie. one ride ticket costs 6 pesos(is that the fare now?) and a full day ticket would be 15pesos, but this ticket would allow you to ride "limitless" for one day on the public transports (thats why i am talking about letting the local government run the wholse system so that the whole public transport system is under their hands and thus a full day ticket would apply to all the public transport managed by the government.) Imagine the advantages it has for students who have to travel four times each day and paying a total of 24 pesos just to get to school (again correct me if I am wrong with the current fare price)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/ikra/LT_12_bus_stop_1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/ikra/Omnicity-low-floor.jpg

both pictures shows a lot of things. Not only does it offer easy access for disabled people or things of the sort, it is practical and it looks good. The designated bus stops also looks good rather than the jeepneys stopping wherever they want. This should ensure discipline and organisation within the community. Yes I dont envision this to happen overnight but rather slowly, maybe a period of several years. And of course using the current drivers as the employess, and implementing 8 hour shifts and reasonable wage. I think this is not impossible...

I really hope to address this to the local government. :) can anybody do that? (imagine, we would be the first in mindanao or even in teh philippines to have a very organised mode of transport) Its great to do this while the city is still starting to develop again before this problem would increase over time as the city becomes bigeer. Its easier to change it at this point in time... so i think its very important that we do someting about this asap. I know buses are expensive, but over a long period of time i know its going to be a worthwile investment.

[OtAkAw]

You know people, unless the country develops into first world status, jeepneys, pedicabs and tricycles will be around. They really reflect the economy of the country, they are made of cheap, substandard materials like crappy aluminum and low-quality steel, plastic and rubber. Painful truth, how much we own controls how good our output would be.

[marites4]

We will not attain a developed status unless they're phased out. OUr public transport system is so chaotic . jeepneys taxis tricycles weave in and out of roads ,avoiding them causes traffic. It doesn't help that the private vehicles are the same inmpatient crazydriver maniacs. THey all need a major driving lesson overhaul. traffic loses so much money, tourists and investors are always put off by our traffic. We lose so much time being stuck in traffic how can you lure tourists in Metro Manila? In the countryside maybe they're acceptable but in a city like metro manila , they need to be banned. In other developing countries they use mini buses inside inner streets with scheduled pick up and designated zones. It's all about helter skelter disorganization. Everything is chaos disorganized. Just where I live there are like a billion tricycles. And traffic lights how much does it really costs to get good sets of traffic lights and really enforce their usage. So much traffic is caused by intersections and cars zigzagging in every direction possible. We cause alot of our own problems which can easily be solved . MMDA has made improvements but not enough so much more can be done.

[DoggMann]

^^ I agree, our govt. should make a study and address this issue inline with the govt. vision for the Philippines to be a haven for retirees... imagine those old folks taking jeepneys to tour around manila, having too many different cards when transferring from one mrt to another, carrying cash to pay for their fares... (sigh) ... i just cant imagine what might happen, a smorgasborgh day for criminals ... sigh

The eventual transition for us to be a Cashless Society should be one of the main consideration when planning things, imagine carrying just one debit card with our name and identification on it, to travel around, buy things, pay taxes, pay our bills, for LTO BIR SSS ... it will definitely curb down corruption and crime and organize everyone.... :cheers: (sigh) maybe in a hundred years...

[marites4]

A simple trip to the store can be a tiring whole day ordeal because of the unnecessary traffic created by undisciplined drivers. add to that the slow cashiers who have to bag your tiny item then fold it then write down the serial number everything is so redundant and inefficient turtle pace. the store employees have to be increased their salaries. mr Sy is making so much money just by parking alone. What store charges parking when youre already buying their products? And the prices at the store are world class at par with prices at developed countries so I think it's only fair that the store workers make world class salaries too. It's sad that their labor is paid so cheaply but products at the store are so expensive. Is it no wonder that pinoys only have enough money to buy food and nothing left for descent housing? It's not right . Mr Sy and other mall owners should compensate these people since most of the money sent by OFWs are being spent in their mall enriching them to world class dollar billionaire status.

[Lili]

Is there anyone who knows if the government has a comprehensive public transportation plan with a long range goal of 5 to 10 years?

I think it is important that this plan (if there is one) should balance the interests of all parties involved --- one that will serve the needs of the commuting public, address the economics of the transportation trade and the people reliant on it such as the stakeholders, the drivers, the workers, those that will be displaced by the new transportation scheme and also consider the concerns revolving around urban planning, the environment, as well as culture, particularly, the historic and symbolic value of the Philippine jeepney.

We did mention before that the jeepney routes can be assigned to certain areas only and that main thoroughfares should be rid of jeepneys and pedicabs because it has been an endemic traffic problem that these modes of transportation have become inefficient and quite hazardous in main and busy thoroughfares because by their very nature, these vehicles weave in and out of traffic to let passengers on and off.

However, some are a bit hesitant to phase out the jeepneys for sentimental reasons. The "look" of the colorful jeepney has so much become part of the culture of the Pinoy. Is it any wonder that the jeepneys have been featured in Amazing Race, in beauty pageants, when Brooke Shields visited the Philippines during the height of her fame and in virtually most of the international movies where Philippines was the venue? The miniature jeepney sculpture is one of the more favorite souvenirs by tourists and visitors to the Philippines. Hence, we should not be too condescending of the humble jeepney that rose as a main form of transportation from scraps of GI jeeps left by the Americans after WW II. It is a testament to the Filipinos' ingenuity, creativity and resilency.

Perhaps, a compromise for their gradual phase-out in main thoroughfares is to design the exteriors of the mini-buses or buses to look like the pimped out jeepneys. Well, yes, it may look tacky at first but these can add vibrance and life to the greying concrete jungle of Metro Manila.

Oh by the way, when I went to Universal Studios Orlando, they had an ice cream / refreshment booth there that was clearly a Philippine jeepney. I got to find the picture though. It made me proud seeing the Philippine symbolism there being featured in an international tourist destination. :)

So, we need not lose this patented symbolic look. It's already part and parcel of what is Filipino. And as Filipinos, we can be flexible and creative in finding ways to preserve this symbol and also address the need for an efficient, coordinated and affordable public transportation system.

Some pictures that I took during my visit in Manila last year:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/ECdoesit/Lagusnilad.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/ECdoesit/ManilaCityHall2.jpg

[ProblemSolver]

come on... forever?? do you seriously want them to be there forever?? its easy to give jobs to the the drivers, careful planning and restructuring programs would give them jobs... and waiting for the right time when our economy has improved. I dont get it why people are so pessimistic to such ideas, when we clearly need to change a lot of things. Maybe all our government heads have a mind like you which always thinks "so be it since we cannot change that". I have heard numerous of times even a hundred from foreigners that the public transport in the philippines was like hell and never would they use one again.

Disorganised transportation causes massive problems... traffic jams, congestion, pollution, disorganization, safety hazard, to name a few. Although I do think that it doesnt happen overnight, but over a number of years. The sooner we do something about it the better. A good public transport can fuel investment and development.

I think we should start reforming our public transportation. Jeepneys in the city are causing so much congestion and traffic. I also think they are very inconvenient and not practical. I think the local goverment should create a public transport sector which would handle all things related to such, i.e. controlling a major part of the public transport system while at the same time allowing and managing private transport companies.

The main reason for this i think is because of its practicality where disabled people cannot easily ride on jeepneys, think about those people who are in wheelchairs, blind people, the disabled.. i think the rights of such people in this country is so downgraded that we dont even think about them anymore as to how we can improve their lives. Even for a normal person, a full jeppney is a tough task to get on to. Other than that, jeepneys seem to stop everywhere as long as there are passengers. Not only do we see empty jeepneys most of the time since its causing a very fierce competition but at the same time doesnt look very pleasing to the eye.

A well organised public transport is also a key to attracting investments and development within the city. My proposal are the use of low floor buses which eases the boarding of both disabled and normal passengers. Designated bus stops around the city, each bus stop should have a well sized shed and appropriate seating. A bus stop should be able to handle different lines that goes through it. And a transport path that is more efficient without the need for more buses. Buses offers more seating thus lesser vehicles on the road and thus lesser congestion and traffic. Another thing is that we should also change the payment system i think. We should be able to choose between one ride ticket or a full day ticket. Ie. one ride ticket costs 6 pesos(is that the fare now?) and a full day ticket would be 15pesos, but this ticket would allow you to ride "limitless" for one day on the public transports (thats why i am talking about letting the local government run the wholse system so that the whole public transport system is under their hands and thus a full day ticket would apply to all the public transport managed by the government.) Imagine the advantages it has for students who have to travel four times each day and paying a total of 24 pesos just to get to school (again correct me if I am wrong with the current fare price)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/ikra/LT_12_bus_stop_1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/ikra/Omnicity-low-floor.jpg

both pictures shows a lot of things. Not only does it offer easy access for disabled people or things of the sort, it is practical and it looks good. The designated bus stops also looks good rather than the jeepneys stopping wherever they want. This should ensure discipline and organisation within the community. Yes I dont envision this to happen overnight but rather slowly, maybe a period of several years. And of course using the current drivers as the employess, and implementing 8 hour shifts and reasonable wage. I think this is not impossible...

I really hope to address this to the local government. :) can anybody do that? (imagine, we would be the first in mindanao or even in teh philippines to have a very organised mode of transport) Its great to do this while the city is still starting to develop again before this problem would increase over time as the city becomes bigeer. Its easier to change it at this point in time... so i think its very important that we do someting about this asap. I know buses are expensive, but over a long period of time i know its going to be a worthwile investment.


Electric Drive Vehicles

These are part of broad projects that are going to be in place with specific deployment to start in the Davao Regions once the cost of energy is brought down and its access is widespread from the city to far flung boondocks.

Your proposals are very informative and provide an input as to areas in which all Filipinos living in the Philippines and abroad can make contributions.

With multicooperative setup that currently are in process, projects will encroach the EDV Technology and its deployment. And with soon to be availability of low cost electricity per kw-hr output (the one that ordinary wage earner of P250/day will be willing to pay 2% out - this relieves him for savings in his budget as oppose to current 30% of his P250/day cost of kw-hr electricity output), these electric drive propulsion systems applied to buses, private vehicles, atv, scooters should provide ample mobility for residents and individuals in those areas. We'll provide membership to jeepney and tricycle drivers to the multicooperative so that their income transition from driver to manufacturing employment will be greater and will offset income for the latter's prior livelihood. The buyers will be local, provincial and national governments aside from those individuals who can afford them. The cost per kilometer should be a fraction compared to current, expensive internal combustion engine and its gas consumption.

If you are interested in how you may contribute to this multicooperative specific to the designs and manufacturing of electric drives technology to the deployment of these for local, provincial, and national governments, feel free to PM me and I'll place you in the list for potential supporters for these multicooperatives. Invite along many of your kababayans that there will be locally built electric drive transport systems to be implemented soon in Davao regions and encourage them to look at to these upcoming technologies.

[Sinjin P.]

A simple trip to the store can be a tiring whole day ordeal because of the unnecessary traffic created by undisciplined drivers. add to that the slow cashiers who have to bag your tiny item then fold it then write down the serial number everything is so redundant and inefficient turtle pace. the store employees have to be increased their salaries. mr Sy is making so much money just by parking alone. What store charges parking when youre already buying their products? And the prices at the store are world class at par with prices at developed countries so I think it's only fair that the store workers make world class salaries too. It's sad that their labor is paid so cheaply but products at the store are so expensive. Is it no wonder that pinoys only have enough money to buy food and nothing left for descent housing? It's not right . Mr Sy and other mall owners should compensate these people since most of the money sent by OFWs are being spent in their mall enriching them to world class dollar billionaire status.

I think Mr. Sy's malls (SM) all have free parking slots. (Correct me if I am wrong)

[IAMME]

...
Anyway, how are the airconditioned jeepneys? Are they plying the streets already?
I saw in TV many years ago that a/c jeepneys were travelling in Manila and charging P5.00 (regular fare then I think was either P2.50 or P3.25).
Here in Iloilo, I saw one travelling the route to Miagao. However, only the front seat was a/c. It looked really classy with its aerodynamic design. I wish I had a pic.

[marites4]

I think Mr. Sy's malls (SM) all have free parking slots. (Correct me if I am wrong)
NO they all charge 40 p > Mr AYAla MR Rockwell. even street level you pay. So if you're a car driver you're goosed. EVen if you just have to stop a quick stop you have to pay 40p. and it's always full and getting out is hell. the only place that's free parking is tiendesitas.

[sandrin]

I had a separate conversation with Fil-Ams who went on vacation in Bulacan, Cavite and other provinces. They all loathed the noise pollution coming from tricycles. They said they couldn't sleep well even though they stayed with relatives who live far away from the cities. That's the main complaint of the ones that stayed in the province. The ones that stayed in the cities complain of trash, traffic and air & noise pollution.

If you want to make the Philippines a retirement haven for balikabayans, better start improving the flow of traffic, drastically decrease air pollution & noise pollution (from tricycles), and eliminate trash and bubblegum pollution. Oh and not to forget billboard pollution/eyesore.

[marites4]

noise pollution is nothing, you're lucky if you don't die from lung cancer after going deaf. And take note there isn't a few of them there's a legion of them plying the inner streets. Well you have to go through the inner streets to get to the main streets. I commiserate with the drivers as it is their livelyhood but now that the hyped up budget surplus is available for infrastructure they should hire all the drivers to work as construction workers like what Roosevelt did. That is if they're serious about us attaining developed status in next century. No pain , no gain as they say. They really have to instill discipline to the drivers that is what's hampering our growth . How can anybody think of investing or doing business or visiting when it takes you the practically the whole day to get anything done coupled with the hot weather it's a recipe for hell. Are they really serious about the retirement thing or another lip service.
Politicians don't care because they have a million errand boys to do things for them. Everything is really inefficient, the people are so used to the system of things that you need a strong leader to whip them all into place. local pinoys really have some bad habits that need to be changed , many are lazy. politicians don't care because they buy properties in the US.

[Sinjin P.]

NO they all charge 40 p > Mr AYAla MR Rockwell. even street level you pay. So if you're a car driver you're goosed. EVen if you just have to stop a quick stop you have to pay 40p. and it's always full and getting out is hell. the only place that's free parking is tiendesitas.

Oh really? I thought all SM parking areas were free of charge. Well if that's the case, I'll have to settle with Festival Supermall, by far, the mall offering the best convenience :yes:

On these tricycles, jeepneys and pedicabs, I can't say anything. Like they keep on complaining that they earn low yet they don't know how to follow traffic and city rules (e.g. jeepneys beating the red light; pedicabs and tricycles parking on sidewalks)... Although these unique forms of transportation also serve as tourist spots (e.g. I see a lot of Japanese and Chinese here enjoying their jeepney rides), their negative side prevails. :no:

[Lili]

Eh kasi, "basta driver sweet lover". Yan ang sabi nila. Kaya pala maraming drivers, maraming asawa. Oh oh. I am now veering towards the controversial locked Population thread. ;) :jk:

Pollution na pala topic.

[habagatcentral1]

Well, then we must do something to alleviate the transport segment because IMO, it would take years or even decades to completely eradicate tricycles, pedicabs and most of all jeepneys in every Philippine city. Filipinos have to be re-oriented to a new system of transportation and not only the drivers that will be affected but the rest of the Filipino public.

Iloilo for example was crippled when there was a transport strike back in 2003 when almost 90% of the jeepneys city or provincial ceased their operations. Those who have work back then were forced to pay an expensive fare thru taxis.

IMO, if we want to reform our transport sector, this must be done carefully and gradually. It is one of the most sensitive sectors of our society and economy.

[marites4]

well if other countries can do it , I don't see why we can't. It just has to be more organized and they have to limit them if they can't be 100 percent phased out. It's not like they'll phase them out without a very well thought out contingency plan. It is so chaotic driving in Metro manila makes you want to pull your hair out. Everything is so disorganized I have never seen such chaos in driving in any other countries. How much really to invest on a good set of traffic lights? If they can get an increase in their pork barrel can't they allot some of that on good sets of traffic lights that actually work. Cars turn from the outer lane, motor bikes everywhere. two way becomes one way in the middle of the street without a sign. :wallbash: Nobody follows the signs and rules and then the MMDA , baranggay tanod or whoever the kotong cop of the day is have the nerve to issue you a ticket for breaking a traffic rule. WHAT RULE? It's a simple thing install order and things will work. Can you imagine adding another 12 million people in 20 years in Metro Manila without a semblance of order?

[Sinjin P.]

^ Yeah, if not phased out, there has to be some kind of regulation on their number. It is so irritating seeing those tricycles and pedicabs queueing on their parking area (the sidewalk)... Hmm, kumikita pa kaya sila ng sapat para ipakain sa kanilang mga pamilya? I'm not a fan of monopoly but this is too much, dapat bawas-bawasan na sila

[habagatcentral1]

^^ There may be chances of doing it first in the urban areas, especially MCD (Manila, Cebu & Davao) and other major Philippine cities. Feasible studies must be done with the backing of certain institutions and of the government. "Sino pang magtutulungan, kundi tayo-tayo rin" :D

But for rural areas and small cities, it is deemed to be impossible to implement within the decade IMO.

But in fairness for Cebu, I find the codes (17C, 04C, 13C, 12L) very convenient if you stayed in Cebu for a while. I find it confusing back then, but now its embeded in my GPS system in the brain, hehehe!

[Sinjin P.]

^ Yeah, I find them convenient if you master them. Isn't any other city/province in the Philippines having the same or at least a similar system? As far as I know, the jeepneys in Olongapo are color-coded too depending on their route :cool:

To be guided, here are some jeepney routes in Cebu:

01B
URGELLO - COLON URGELLO - LEON KILAT - PLAZA INDEPENDENCIA - PIER 1 - PIER 2 - PIER 3 - PIER 4 - WHITE GOLD - MJ CUENCO - BONIFACIO - SANCIANGKO - URGELLO

01C
PRIVATE - COLON PRIVATE - LEON KILAT - COLON - PLAZA - PIER 1 - PIER 2 - PIER 3 - PIER 4 - WHITE GOLD CLUB - MJ CUENCO - BONIFACIO - SANCIANGKO - PRIVATE

01I
PRIVATE - COLON - PIER - SM - AYALA SM - AYALA - AYALA ACCESS ROAD - HIPPODROMO - MJ CUENCO - BONIFACIO - SANCIANGKO - LEON KILAT - P DEL ROSARIO EXTENSION (PRIVATE) - LEON KILAT - COLON - MABINI - PLAZA INDEPENDENCIA - PIER 1 - PIER 2 - PIER 3 - PIER 4 - SM

02B
SOUTH BUS TERMINAL - COLON SOUTH BUS TERMINAL - CCMC - PANGANIBAN - COLON - PLAZA INDEPENDENCIA - PIER 1 - PIER 2 - PIER 3 - PIER 4 - WHITE GOLD - MJ CUENCO - BONIFACIO - SANCIANGKO - SOUTH BUS TERMINAL

03B
MABOLO - JONES - CARBON PANAGDAIT - MABOLO - AYALA - GORORDO - MANGO - FUENTE - JONES - CARBON

03Q
AYALA - SM AYALA - JUAN LUNA - SM - JUAN LUNA - AYALA

04L
LAHUG - AYALA - SM AYALA - JUAN LUNA - SM - JUAN LUNA - SALINAS - JY SQUARE - GORORDO - UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES - ESCARIO - AYALA

04M
LAHUG - AYALA VIA UP JYS AYALA - ESCARIO - GORORDO - UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES - JY SQUARE - SALINAS - WATERFRONT - [U TURN] - SALINAS - JY SQUARE - UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES - GORORDO - ESCARIO - AYALA

06C
GUADALUPE - CARBON GUADALUPE - M VELEZ - CAPITOL - FUENTE - JONES - PLARIDEL - CARBON - MJ CUENCO - JONES - FUENTE - CAPTOL - M VELEZ - GUADALUPE

06D
SINGSON - MAGALLANES GUADALUPE - A ABELLANA - M VELEZ - CAPITOL - FUENTE - JONES - PLARIDEL - MAGALLANES - CITY HALL - MCWD - [U-TURN]

06H
GUADALUPE - AYALA - SM GUADALUPE - ENGLISH - V RAMA - P RODRIGUEZ - FUENTE - MANGO - WHITE GOLD CLUB - SM - JUAN LUNA - AYALA - ESCARIO - CAPITOL - M VELEZ - GUADALUPE

08G
ALUMNOS - COLON - MANALILI ALUMNOS - C PADILLA - COLON - MANALILI - C PADILLA - ALUMNOS

09F
BASAK - PLARIDEL - JUNQUERA - MANALILI BASAK - BACALSO - SANTO ROSARIO - JUNQUERA - COLON - MANALILI - PLARIDEL - MAGALLANES

10M
BULACAO - PARDO - COLON - SM SM - WHITE GOLD CLUB - MJ CUENCO - LEGASPI - COLON - BORROMEO - PANGANI8BAN - BACALSO - MAMBALING - BASAK - PARDO - BULACAO / U-TURN - PARDO - BASAK - BACALSO - PANGANIBAN - COLON - SULUETA - MJ CUENCO - T PADILLA - NORTH PUJ TERMINAL - SM

11D
INAYAWAN - COLON - MANALILI INAYAWAN - PARDO - BACALSO - C PADILLA - COLON - MABINI - MAGALLANES - TABUAN - BACALSO - PARDO - INAYAWAN

12G
LABANGON - COLON - SM SM - RECLA - PIER 4 - T PADILLA - MJ CUENCO - BONIFACIO - SANCIANGKO - CCMC -KATIPUNAN - TABUAN - T PADILLA - LEON KILAT - MAGALLANES - PLAZA INDEPENDENCIA - PIER 1 - PIER 2 - PIER - 3 - PIER 4 - SM

12L
LABANGON - AYALA VIA ESCARIO CAPITOL AYALA - ESCARIO - CAPITOL - M VELEZ - BANAWA - KATIPUNAN - PUNTA PRINCESA - TRES DE ABRIL - SALVADOR - BANAWA - M VELEZ - CAPITOL - ESCARIO - AYALA

13B
TALAMBAN - CARBON CANDUMAN - TINTAY - TALAMBAN - FOODLAND - COUNTRY MALL - BANILAD - ARCH REYES - AYALA - GORORDO - ECHAVEZ - SIKATUNA - RAMOS - JUNQUERA - COLON - MANALILI - CARBON - JAKOSALEM - SIKATUNA - ECHAVEZ - GORORDO - AYALA - ARCH REYES - BANILAD - COUNTRY MALL - FOODLAND - TALAMBAN - TINTAY - CANDUMAN

13C
TALAMBAN - COLON TINTAY - TALAMBAN - FOODLAND - COUNTRY MALL - BANILAD - ARCH REYES - AYALA - GORORDO - ECHAVEZ - SIKATUNA - COLON - JONES - METRO GAISANO - BORROMEO - PANGANIBAN - SOUTH BUS TERMINAL - P DEL ROSARIO - MJ CUENCO - AYALA ACCESS ROAD - AYALA - ARCH REYES - BANILAD - COUNTRY MALL - FOODLAND - TALAMBAN - TINTAY

14B
CARBON - CAPITOL - COMP MARTINES NOT - SURE - PLS - WAIT - TILL - NEXT - UPDATE

14D
AYALA - COLON AYALA - ESCARIO - CAPITOL SITE - OSMENA - FUENTE - RAMOS - JUNQUERA - COLON - MANALILI - METRO GAISANO - JONES - FUENTE - ESCARIO - AYALA

21B
IBABAO - MANDAUE - AYALA - JONES IBABAO - MAGUIKAY - HIGHWAY - MABOLO - JUAN LUNA - AYALA - GORORDO - MANGO - FUENTE - JONES - PLAZA INDEPENDENCIA - RECLA - WHITE GOLD TERMINAL - SM - JUAN LUNA - HIGHWAY - IBABAO

22B
MANDAUE - OUANO - AYALA - JONES OUANO WHARF - MANDAUE CITY HALL - IMMACULADA - HIGHWAY - JUAN LUNA - AYALA - GORORDO - MANGO - FUNETE - OSMENA - JONES - METRO GAISANO - SANTO NINO - PLAZA INDEPENDENCIA - MJ CUENCO - HIGHWAY - SAN MIGUEL - OUANO WHARF

23D
MEPZA - CEBU CORDOVA - PUNTA ENGANO - MEPZA - PUSOK - OLD BRIDGE - AC CORTES - HIGHWAY - JUAN LUNA - SM - NORTH BUS TERMINAL - SM - JUAN LUNA - HIGHWAY - AC CORTES - OLD BRIDGE - PUSOK - CORDOVA - PUNTA ENGANO

24A
CONSOLACION - NORTH PUJ TERMINAL CONSOLACION - HIGHWAY - JUAN LUNA - WHITE GOLD CLUB - NORTH PUJ TERMINAL - MANGO - MJ CUENCO - AYALA ACCESS ROAD - AYALA - JUAN LUNA - HIGHWAY - CONSOLACION

27
SABANG - DANAO - CEBU DANAO - CONSOLACION - SUPER METRO - UN AVENUE - PLARIDEL - RECLA - SM - NORTH PUJ TERMINAL

41
TABUNOK - COLON TABUNOK - MAMBALING - C PADILLA - PASIL - C PADILLA - GAISANO SOUTH - COLON - BORROMEO - TABUAN - BACALSO - MAMBALING - TABUNOK

62B
PIT-OS - TALAMBAN - COLON PIT-OS - BACAYAN - TALAMBAN - FOODLAND - COUNTRY MALL - BANILAD - ARCH REYES - AYALA - GORORDO - ECHAVEZ - SIKATUNA - MANALILI - CARBON - D JAKOSALEM - P DEL ROSARIO - IMUS - AYALA ACCESS ROAD - ARCH REYES - AYALA

From 41 thru 46, the route is essentially the same except that the starting point is further and further south along the coastal highway. For example, while 41 starts in Tabunok, 43 starts in Minglanilla, 44 starts in Naga, 45 in San Fernando, and 46 in Carcar. I assume 42 starts somewhere between Tabunok and Minglanilla.

[IAMME]

^^
Wow... did you do that from memory? I wish you posted that a few months back when I almost got lost somewhere in the middle of cebu.:D

[g0Rs]

I stayed in Cebu for 6 years...still I can't memorized the jeepney routes.hehehe. i prefer color-coded...much convenient and easier to remember...

[IAMME]

With all those routes, you'll never come up with enough distinct colors..:lol:
Anyway, so shall we start phasing out these vehicles? Let's start with the trikes. Give them 10-15 years to shift their livelihood. Besides, within that span, their tricycles will wear out. Within 5 years, tricycle production must cease. (I hope I don't get shot for this)

[habagatcentral1]

If Sinjin posted some Cebu's jeepney routes, here's for Iloilo City

LA RUTA ILONGGAIloilo City Jeepneys Street Guide
(as according to street names and certain landmarks)
First timers in Iloilo may seem to get confused in the jeepneys since there are no placards in the windshield indicating places that the jeepney served in its routes and instead a permanent sticker with the name of the jeepney line is indicated.

This guide should be a remedy for confusion in the streets of Iloilo.

Villa
Villa Arevalo District (Villa Plaza. Quezon-Avaceña-Molo Plaza-MH Del Pilar-Gen Luna-Iznart-JMBasa-Iznart-Ledesma-Valeria-GenLuna-to Villa by same route)

Jaro CPU
Lopez-Jaena-Jaro Plaza-E.Lopez-Luna-Bonifacio Drive-Arroyo Fountain-Iznart-JM Basa-Fort San Pedro-Duran-Santo Domingo-Plaza Libertad-to Jaro via same route)

Jaro Liko
LopezJaena-Jaro Plaza-E.Lopez-Luna-Bonifacio-General Luna-Jalandoni (San Agustin)-DeLeon/Rizal-Super-Aldeguer-JM Basa/Muelle Loney-Bonifacio Drive - back to Jaro via same route)

Jaro CPU-Ungka UI
Same route as Jaro CPU but terminal is at Ungka/UI Pavia, Iloilo and will pass by Christ the King Cemetery, Iloilo Central Line Terminals and CocaCola Phils Iloilo Plant

Ungka UI-Tanza (rare)
Ungka Jaro. Sambag-Dungon Diversion Rd. Cuartero. Diversion Rd. SM City. Infante (same route as Leganes Hi-Way SM within City Proper) and back to Diversion Rd then proceed to Ungka.

Jaro Plaza-Mandurriao
(Route 1:) Jaro Plaza/Cathedral. El98/Huwebesan/. Cuartero Diversion. Airport. Q Abeto (West Visayas Medical Center). Mandurriao Proper
(Route 2:) SM City. Diversion Road. Bakhaw. El98/Huwebesan. Plaza Jaro.

Bito-on-Jaro Plaza
Jaro Plaza, Cubay, Bito-on/PISAY (Philippine Science High West Visayas) and back

Mandurriao SM
Mandurriao District Proper (different routes) - Airport - Cuartero Jaro - Diversion Road (Bakhaw/EL98 Juncrtion), SM City, Diversion Road, General Luna, Arroyo Fountain. Iznart. Plazoleta Gay. JM Basa. Plaza Libertad. Rizal. Iznart. Ledesma. Fuentes. Delgado. Jalandoni (san agustin). General Luna. Diversion Road (SM City). Airport. Mandurriao District

Mandurriao Molo (Jibao-an)
Mandurriao District Proper (sometimes from Jibao-an). Plaza Mandurriao. Q Abeto. West Visayas Medical Center. Plaza. Tabucan. Carpenter Bridge. Plaza Molo. MH Del Pilar. General Luna. Arroyo Fountain. Iznart. Plazoleta Gay. JM Basa. Plaza Libertad. Rizal. Iznart. Ledesma. Fuentes. Delgado. Jalandoni (san agustin). General Luna. Diversion Road (SM City). Airport. Mandurriao District

LaPaz
La Paz District Proper (Ledesco Junction/Jereos), Comicion Civil. La Paz Plaza. Huervana. La Paz Market . Luna. Bonifacio Dr. General Luna. Jalandoni (San Agustin). De Leon/Rizal (super). Aldeguer. JM Basa. Iznart. Bonifacio Dr. Huervana straight to Ticud Junction and back to LaPaz Plaza to Jereos.

Lapuz
Lapuz Proper (Jalandoni Estate). Quirino-Lopez Bridge. Arroyo fountain. Iznart. JM Basa. Rizal. Iznart. Aldeguer. JM Basa. Iznart. Quirino Lopez. Lapuz

Barrio Obrero
Barrio Obrero Proper. RoRo Terminal. Same route as Lapuz.

SM City Arrastre
SM City Iloilo. Diversion Road. General Luna. Arroyo fountain, Iznart. Plazoleta Gay. JM Basa. Plaza Libertad. Rizal. Iznart. Plazoleta Gay. Ledesma. Fuentes. Delgado. Infante. Diversion. SM City.

Parola-Super
Parola. Muelle Loney River Wharf. Zamora. Plaza Libertad. Rizal. Iznart. J De Leon. Supermarket (same route going back to Parola).

Molo Baluarte
Baluarte Elementary School. Molo Plaza. General Luna. Arroyo Fountain. Iznart. Plazoleta Gay. JM Basa. Plaza Libertad. Rizal. Iznart. Ledesma. Tanza. Baluarte.

Molo Timawa
Timawa/Fundidor (Tibiao Bakery). Delgado. Jalandoni (San Agustin). De Leon/Rizal "Super". Robinsons. Valeria. Delgado. Timawa.

Calaparan/Villa Beach
From Villa Beach/Yulo Drive Jct passing thru Molo Boulevard. Baluarte. Ledesma.

Oton (Anhawan)
From Oton Poblacion passing by the National Highway and to Mohon-Villa. Villa Plaza. San Antonio (Melocoton). Avaceña. Molo Plaza. MH Del Pilar. General Luna. Quezon. J De Leon/Rizal. Valeria. General Luna. (same route out coming in to City Proper)

Oton Derecho
From Oton Botong/Oton-Tigabauan border. Trapiche. Oton Proper (same route as of Oton Anhawan)

Leganes (Hi-way SM)
From Leganes Proper. North Line Terminal. Balantang. McArthur Highway. Tabuc Suba. Simon Ledesma. Lopez Jaena. Plaza Jaro. El98/Huwebesan/Desemparados. Diversion Rd. SM City. Infante. Ledesma. Mabini. J De Leon. Valeria. Delgado. Jalandoni. General Luna. Diversion Rd. Jalandoni (Jaro). Comicion Civil. Washington St. Tabuc Suba and back to Leganes

Leganes (LaPaz)
From Leganes Proper. North Line Terminal. Balantang. McArthur Highway. Tabuc Suba. Simon Ledesma. Lopez Jaena. Plaza Jaro. Comicion Civil. ISAT. LaPaz Plaza. Huervana. Magdalo. Comicion Civil. Plaza Jaro. Tabuc Suba and back to Leganes

Santa Barbara (Hi-Way SM)
From Santa Barbara Proper. Bangga Dama. Cabugao Sur. Pavia Proper. Aganan. Ungka. Sambag Diversion Rd. Dungon. Cuartero. Diversion Rd. SM City. General Luna. Mabini. Delgado. Jalandoni. General Luna (same route out coming in to City Proper)

Santa Barbara (LaPaz)
From Santa Barbara Proper. Bangga Dama. Cabugao Sur. Pavia Proper. Aganan. Ungka. Sambag. Lopez Jaena. Plaza Jaro. Comicion Civil. ISAT. LaPaz Plaza. Huervana. Magdalo. Comicion Civil. Plaza Jaro. Lopez Jaena and back to Santa Barbara.

(Kon may kulang pa, palihug pakidugangan. Thanks!)

[IAMME]

^^
Oh my, you must travel a lot. Even if I'm from Iloilo City, I think I'll be printing this guide and keep it in my wallet. thanks a lot!

[Sinjin P.]

@IAMME: I got those from Istorya.Net.
@g0Rs: The alphanumeric codes are really very convenient for locals here :okay:s

[IAMME]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/IAMME00/iloilo/100_9373.jpg
Overloaded jeepney in Iloilo

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/IAMME00/iloilo/100_9433.jpg
Overloaded tricycle in Iloilo

[Sinjin P.]

^ Wow, is that a usual sight?

[IAMME]

Nope, not in the city. Overloading is not allowed. But in some towns, it is a common scene, especially during rush hours.

[IAMME]

I just loved this jeepney I saw earlier:
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/IAMME00/iloilo/100_0359.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/IAMME00/iloilo/100_0364.jpg

[Sinjin P.]

^ Yeah, I also saw those jeepneys which look like SUVs

[junax]

I just loved this jeepney I saw earlier:
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/IAMME00/iloilo/100_0359.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/IAMME00/iloilo/100_0364.jpg

if all jeepneys in the philippines could look like this, i don't care if they'll remain king of the road. :)

if we can not eradicate them, at least try to renovate diba...

[IAMME]

A few years back, Iloilo had a contest for the best jeepney plying its roads. The winner was a Ferrari themed jeepney. I've rode on it once and even its sound system looked very high-end. I'll see if I can take a picture of it. It's plying the Villa route.

[Elsongs]

I would LOVE, I mean LOVE to see emissions standards for ALL motor vehicles in the Philippines...all of them are smoke-belching air (and noise) polluters. My parents are from the Philippines and I love visiting my friends and relatives but I just can't STAND the air pollution there. And it tears me up how the people there can tolerate it. Filipinos deserve better. Air is the most basic need for people. The Philippines would be a *much* better place if they had Hybrid Jeepneys, Compressed Natural Gas-powered trucks and buses and less-polluting cars and motorcycles/tricycles.

[IAMME]

For a start, we have a few CNG-run buses in Metro Manila and we have quite a number of LPG-powered taxis. For a start.:)

But really, is the air in the Philippines really that polluted? It might be the humidity of the air. When you come from a temperate country for example, where the air is much less humid, and travel to a hot and humid country like the Philippines, you will have the uncomfortable feeling of inhaling hot, humid air. After a few days, you get used to it.:)

[le Reine]

The Philippines? No. But Metro Manila? certainly! For me, Metro Manila's air pollution is already unbearable.

[Rajah_Soliman]

Davao South Terminal (at Ecoland)
http://www.storyal.de/weblog2006/bilder/april/davao09.jpg
http://www.storyal.de/weblog2006/bilder/april/davao10.jpg

[Rajah_Soliman]

http://www.storyal.de/weblog2006/bilder/april/cagayan03.jpg

http://www.storyal.de/weblog2006/bilder/april/ship.jpg
http://www.storyal.de/weblog2006/bilder/april/ship02.jpg
http://www.storyal.de/weblog2006/bilder/april/ship03.jpg
http://www.storyal.de/weblog2006/bilder/april/todavao05.jpg
http://www.storyal.de/weblog2006/bilder/april/todavao06.jpg

[Rajah_Soliman]

http://www.storyal.de/weblog2006/bilder/april/davao04.jpg

[Rajah_Soliman]

http://www.storyal.de/weblog2006/bilder/februar/haendler.jpg

[Elsongs]

For a start, we have a few CNG-run buses in Metro Manila and we have quite a number of LPG-powered taxis. For a start.:)

But really, is the air in the Philippines really that polluted? It might be the humidity of the air. When you come from a temperate country for example, where the air is much less humid, and travel to a hot and humid country like the Philippines, you will have the uncomfortable feeling of inhaling hot, humid air. After a few days, you get used to it.:)

I've stayed in my relatives' houses in the provinces. I've gotten used to the humidity after a while, that's not an issue (I like to visit in January-March, that's why :)) They are MUCH better off without the belching and noise from the motors of vehicles. If they polluted less and were quieter, the Philippines would be a better place. If you think the air quality outside of Manila is "good enough," it'll be even BETTER with emissions controls.

Also the gasoline stations, why don't they have coverings over the nozzles? The fumes from the gasoline stations are unbearable and are cancer-causing.

Besides, everything in the Philippines are under national standards (at least they're supposed to be :)) So it is impossible for vehicles only in MM to get emissions standards.

[ryanr]

we have quite a number of LPG-powered taxis. For a start.:)


And we have a lot more coming with the new Avanza taxis.:)

[Elsongs]

And we have a lot more coming with the new Avanza taxis.:)

I'm glad to hear that!

[Sinjin P.]

http://www.storyal.de/weblog2006/bilder/april/davao04.jpg

These are actually quite annoying as most of them travel the highways >(

[le Reine]

waht are avanza taxis?

[WawaY[625]]

http://www.storyal.de/weblog2006/bilder/april/cagayan03.jpg

ano ginagawa ng Cebu Pacific booth dito? :lol:

[WawaY[625]]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/IAMME00/iloilo/100_0359.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/IAMME00/iloilo/100_0364.jpg

di ko type mga ganitong jeepneys..pati mga aircon L300 na converted to jeepneys, multicab jeepneys and such..

mas gusto ko pa ri ang mga Sarao inspired jeepneys..afterall, ito naman talaga ang orig diba? too bad pawala na ang mga gantong jeepney :(

http://jeepney.man.freeservers.com/x111.jpg
http://conny.mooldijk.nl/cursus/jeepney.jpg

where have the colorful jeepneys gone?

[marites4]

If they can modify the jeepneys to emit less smoke and noise, I'm not averse to them. THey just need to be better regulated and reduced or have their own lane. THere are too many colorums. You can't have so many jeepneys and trikes clogging the metro and expect the traffic situation to improve.

[ryanr]

waht are avanza taxis?

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g83/speed_xxx/avanza2.jpg

as mentioned in this thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=246131&page=10 (scroll all the way to the bottom.)

[le Reine]

^my, my they would convert this one into a taxi? That's a very very goodlookin taxi!

[WANCH]

NY has one, SF has one, Rome has one and so on. What do you think, should Manila get one? Would a double decked sightseeing bus look good for the city?

http://lvindex.com/new-york/events/uploads/45/sightseeing-buis.jpg

[Sinjin P.]

Not just for sightseeing but also for mass transport, it will reduce the volume of buses in EDSA :D

[faux_ph]

not good, unless we use clean fuels. pollution situation is very horrible.

[WANCH]

Not just for sightseeing but also for mass transport, it will reduce the volume of buses in EDSA :D

I think Manila had double decker buses before but got rid of them since they don't fit in some underpasses

[WANCH]

not good, unless we use clean fuels. pollution situation is very horrible.

Most of today's double decker buses use natural gas for fuel. I think Manila will do the same :)

[Askal82]

Well, Manila has to clean the air around it before we get those open-air double decker busses.

[diz]

I'd say yes if there were things to see. :(

[Sinjin P.]

Well, Manila has to clean the air around it before we get those open-air double decker busses.

That's what I thought too.

[thomasian]

Sasabit lang yung bus at yung mga tourists sa overhead power and utility lines that cross the MM roads.

[WANCH]

Sasabit lang yung bus at yung mga tourists sa overhead power and utility lines that cross the MM roads.

Pero hindi na ganun kababaw yung mga powerlines. Anyway, even kung nasa Roxas Blvd. lang o hanggang Mall of Asia.

[Sinjin P.]

Sasabit lang yung bus at yung mga tourists sa overhead power and utility lines that cross the MM roads.

:lol: Funny, but true. Hmm, when can we expect ZERO overhead power cables all over the Philippines? Baka sa year 3000 pa

[Solblanc]

uh, the weather issues come to mind.

If it's tag-init, an open-air sightseeing bus would be a nightmare as the people up there would be baking.

If it's the rainy season, then they'll get drenched.

[anonymous_filipino]

ok lang sa roxas blvd... malinis naman hangin dun.... as for the power lines, di ba component ng metro gwapo ni bayani fernando na gawing underground lahat ng mga power at telephone lines sa metro manila? nung meron pang double-deck Love Bus wala pa namang overpasses at underpasses dito sa Manila...

[papable]

Siguro ayusin and linisin muna ang Metro Manila bago yang double decker buses. What will the tourists see? billboards, entangled wires and banners of politicians announcing sports fests or operation tule? tapos polluted pa ang hangin.

[OtAkAw]

TROPICAL CLIMATE? Are you kidding me???

PLus what would the tourists sightsee? Slums? Spaghetti wires? Dilapidated old buildings? Commie block-like buildings? Smelly Pasig River?

Not being pessimistic here but Metro Manila should be CLEANED and REVITAZLIZED first before anyone even dares to put Sightseeing buses around the city. Manila's best tourism asset Intramuros is a sore loser compared to even the tiny Portuguese former colony Macau, why should anyone operate Sightseeing buses?

[flesh_is_weak]

walang sasakay sa upper deck...ang init kaya dito sa pilipinas...

pero maganda sana siya...

[Sinjin P.]

^ If we would have a double decker bus, I think both levels should be enclosed. :yes:

[_zner_]

double decker bus for manila-baguio-manila trip.. :jk: :lol:

[kiretoce]

They used to have them. :colgate:

[ikra]

not just get them for sight seeing... get them to replace public transportation around the city and please please replace these jeepneys off our streets.. seriously they are annoying.

i know they are heritage to us, but they are the worst form of public transport to be honest. Going up and down the jeepney is quite a task, not to mention disabled passengers cant even go up jeepneys. Low floor buses such as those in london caters not just to the fully abled people but even for those people who are even in wheelchairs.

[le Reine]

I want a double-decker bus. Not neccessarily the bus for tourists. I think it would be more useful for transportation and traffic since the no. of buses plying in our streets would be lessened. And the capacity of buses would be doubled. Less buses in our streets would mean lss pollution and traffic esp in EDSA

[amras]

I don't think double decker bus would fit in those underpasses along EDSA. masyado atang maliit ang vertical clearance. If they wont't be allowed to pass through the underpasses, then it's ok. Double decker bus means double the number of passenger it can handle. this can solve the perennial traffic problem Metro Manila has.

[ikra]

http://www.myledbury.co.uk/madrid/images/madrid_e08.JPG
you can have a bus like this instead - twice the length :D

[kiretoce]

^^ But that's a nightmare turning around corners. :colgate:

[ikra]

lol true... tight ones especially, but otherwise this things nice...

[Rolls-Royce]

not just get them for sight seeing... get them to replace public transportation around the city and please please replace these jeepneys off our streets.. seriously they are annoying.

i know they are heritage to us, but they are the worst form of public transport to be honest. Going up and down the jeepney is quite a task, not to mention disabled passengers cant even go up jeepneys. Low floor buses such as those in london caters not just to the fully abled people but even for those people who are even in wheelchairs.

I do agree with you, hundred percent, not only they are annoying, but the drivers are so so rude and surly. No discipline in the roads, biggest polluters, and they get on your nerves. Time for Manilans to get a decent mode of transport and please let us confine jeepneys to history if not for historical purposes. Gusto ko tuloy barilin and nag-invent ng jeep, di man lang nag-evolve, jeepney from then jeepney until now, lets move on to buses, bendy ones, shall we?

[pau_p1]

yeah... Manila City used to have some that plies Roxas Blvd, I think in the 80's.. maybe because of mismanagement or the lack of demand caused it to be removed...

regarding the height of doubledeckers.. I don't think that it will get caught on powerlines specially on the main thoroughfares since tall vehicles like trailers could pass thru.. and I think the standard vertical clearance of our main highways could fit doubledeckers..

[ryanr]

^^ But that's a nightmare turning around corners. :colgate:

Not really...articulated buses are more agile than one would think. The bus i take to school is usually articulated and they are able to turn into narrow corners.

[bagel]

I do agree with you, hundred percent, not only they are annoying, but the drivers are so so rude and surly. No discipline in the roads, biggest polluters, and they get on your nerves. Time for Manilans to get a decent mode of transport and please let us confine jeepneys to history if not for historical purposes. Gusto ko tuloy barilin and nag-invent ng jeep, di man lang nag-evolve, jeepney from then jeepney until now, lets move on to buses, bendy ones, shall we?

I understand when people complain about jeepneys. But there's a couple of things people need to consider about them. Yes, they are unsightly, poorly relegated and terrible for the environment. But, the way mass-transportation in Metro Manila is set up is actually pretty well stratified and makes a lot of sense.

If you draw a map of major transportation lines in Metro Manila, you'll see the big routes taken by buses and the LRT/MRT. But Metro Manila was designed (or rather lacked design) in an era when these major modes of transportation didn't exist. Right now, growth can occur along the transit corridors. But for much of the 20th century, they didn't exist. Jeepneys (or FX shared taxis) are actually an efficient secondary mode of transportation away from the main route, taking advantage of how the current and existing road network is. Kung baga ang LRT at ang mga bus ay ang mga circumferential roads (superhighways) at ang mga jeepney ay ang arterial roads (support structures) na nag-coconnect ng major roads. Many people don't see this because they are not familiar with how a real commute is. Try getting from barangay blahblahblah in Proj. 5, QC to Quiapo. Likely, you'll have to take a tricycle to a jeepney to a bus. Another example: try getting from Glorietta in Makati to Little Baguio, San Juan. Likely you'll take the MRT or an EDSA bus to Ortigas. But how to get from Ortigas to Little Baguio? No bus line will be able to ply all these small routes at the same cost.

It's in these kinds of commutes where we see that secondary modes of transportation are important.

My next point is a question of cost. No other form of transportation in the Philippines is as inexpensive as a jeepney ride. Granted, peso per km for the user, the LRT is the cheapest, but once you consider the cost of operating it and the drain on taxes, it's a losing deal (though I say that it's a worthy subsidy for the government). And if you're Juan de la Cruz, sometimes the jeepney is all you'll be able to afford. Before we move to more expensive stuff like advanced LRT systems, we'll have to take care of the much, much, much larger population of people who can only use jeepneys, FX & non-aircon buses.

So is the question here efficiency/reach or aesthetics? If it's efficiency/reach, jeepney has it over other forms of transportation. Don't get me wrong, I want more than the 3 MRT/LRT lines in Metro Manila. I believe that people need to get out of their cars and into the trains. I myself prefer to ride my bicycle to work in the USA rather than drive my car.

If you ever drive through EDSA during rush hour and see the number of people waiting for buses, you'll see that we need more mass transpo, not less. FXs are a good advancement for the traditional jeepney, but they still need to get cheaper. Perhaps we shouldn't blame the jeepney, but rather the larger Philippine economy that prevents people from making more money to afford better things than the jeepney.

[anonymous_filipino]

bakit di kaya natin gayahin hong kong? mga double decker ginagamit nila sa mga major roads, toyota coaster running on lpg pag secondary routes... tsaka gawin natin systematized mga routes dito just like hong kong, singapore, shanghai and some other cities dito sa east asia...

[JustHorace]

It's okay for me as long as the upper deck is enclosed.

[Sou-jiro]

http://www.myledbury.co.uk/madrid/images/madrid_e08.JPG
you can have a bus like this instead - twice the length :D



thats nice...thats what we use here in Sydney...but in Manila's traffic

a double decker might be better....we use to have double decker buses...

as Kimber said a bus like that would be nightmare..though thats aruable depending on which area in Manila...generally speaking though i would not got for that option

[allan_dude]

meron parin ba yung double-decker Farinas Bus going to Ilocos? :lol:

[ikra]

lol.

haaay, wellp, efficient transportation is a ery big plus points para sa mga investors. I think ang train lines talaga ang makakaboost sa travel... however we will just have to wait and see if theres one company thats gonna come along and basically invest on underground train =/

and if this was to be effective, they should also introduce efficient and cheap fares. How??? for example in the uk people pay £1 for one way ride and £2 for all day ticket.... all day ticket basically lets you go anywhere without having to pay again since all the bus lines running through the city are the same. All you need to show is that the all day ticket that you have to the bus driver. Theres even this all day ticket which allows you to basically use the underground system as well for a whole day, how easy can it be??? Even there in pinas, MRT and LRT are separate arent they??? you have to pay another fare for the other... =/

Its cheaper, much more efficient, more practical... compared to individual payments everytime you ride the jeep... we need a good transport system.. and fast. Theres no need to construct new roads for buses, all we need is to allot one lane thats for buses only and such...

[jadebench]

wala ng magpeepee sa pink urinals, masisilip ka na! hahaha:lol:

[jadebench]

@ikra, kala ko ba may u/c underground train sa manila?

[bagel]

bakit di kaya natin gayahin hong kong? mga double decker ginagamit nila sa mga major roads, toyota coaster running on lpg pag secondary routes... tsaka gawin natin systematized mga routes dito just like hong kong, singapore, shanghai and some other cities dito sa east asia...

I think this is a good idea... Particularly since one of the problems with jeepneys is that there are too many of them, and yet we still need more. A cleaner transit on jeepney routes that can hold more passengers would be good... but definitely, buses cannot go down the same eskinitas.

I really do think that the way transportation is separated in the Philippines is good. It's just the actual vehicles that are the problems. I mean... in NY I can only dream of something that's like a jeepney but not a taxi cab that can go on secondary and tertiary routes, especially if I live out far from a transit line. Can you believe that this is one area that the Philippines beats other countries in?

[bustero]

you mean like the matorco, teh open air double deck bus that used to run along roxas boulevard before. Here's something from Carlos Celdran http://celdrantours.blogspot.com/2006/04/dream-dream-dream.html
you can probably find a pix of it on the net

or the double deck buses along edsa run by mmtc (defunct) , was eventually turned into dino diners in the 80's.

[habagatcentral1]

Sasabit lang yung bus at yung mga tourists sa overhead power and utility lines that cross the MM roads.

Ayusin muna sana nila ang mga nakalaylay na kable ng MERALCO, PLDT, GLOBE, CABLE COMPANIES, ETC at baka hindi lang mabigti ang turista nyan, baka. "ma-shock" pa sila sa daanan, you know what I mean. :shocked:

[Askal82]

Ayusin muna sana nila ang mga nakalaylay na kable ng MERALCO, PLDT, GLOBE, CABLE COMPANIES, ETC at baka hindi lang mabigti ang turista nyan, baka. "ma-shock" pa sila sa daanan, you know what I mean. :shocked:

Sounds pun :lol:

[OtAkAw]

And one thing, everything above the roads will have to be elevated to a higher level, there's a huge chance na mauntog ang kawawang double decker bus sa signage ng Tindahan ni Aling Nena.

[IMPRESARIO]

^^Bweheheh, yeah, ayusin muna ang mga spag wires,signages etc, before reintroducing doubledeckers, gusto ko rin ito makita sa manila at tsaka sa iloilo, but alot needs to be done, most of it is for safety.

[ergit222]

Double decker bus in Manila for commuting public is acceptable but not for tourists. Baka sumabit pa ang mga leeg ng mga turista sa mga spaghetti overhead power cables natin at malalanghap pa nila ang mala-septic tank na amoy ng Manila Bay, huwag na lang.

[ryanr]

FYI: I moved some posts to the "Philippine Public Transportation" (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=276947&page=10) thread since it is better suited there. They are posts concerning jeepneys and mass transpo in MM.

[Blackraven]

I like the idea.

Pero ang kailangan munang gawin ay i-convert yung traffic light housing.

If it can't be done nationwide, at least do a trial for one city (or a group of cities) to serve as pilot test. The traffic lights would then be turned in a "horizontal manner" instead of a "vertical" one.

Examples of "horizontal" traffic lights are like those that you can find in Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia or in..........Fort Bonifacio.

[Sinjin P.]

Toyota enters taxi segment
anew with Avanza

By Max V. de Leon
Reporter

AFTER being absent in the market for taxis in the last two years, Toyota Motors Philippines is once more venturing into this lucrative segment with the release of its Avanza models.

Daniel Isla, Toyota Philippines first vice president for marketing, told reporters Monday night that the low-end of the three-variant Avanza will be sold locally at a price lower than the Corolla XL, the last taxi model released by Toyota in the Philippines in 2004.

The Avanza, Isla said, is likely to be sold between P500,000 to P550,000; the Corolla XL was offered then at P553,000.

The company expects to sell 800 to 900 units of the Avanza monthly, for the next seven months, Isla said, with the number thereafter settling at about 500 a month.

Initially, the Avanza would be sold through a special financing package to big taxi operators. Already, Isla said the taxi operator R&E is planning to get 800 units of the Avanza, while TAI, another taxi operator, has ordered 60 units.

The Avanza, imported from Indonesia, can run on LPG, the Toyota official said.

As of 2004, some 30,000 units of sedan taxis ply Metro Manila streets and another 47,000 in other parts of the country. Isla said it remains to be seen if the Avanza would become synonymous with sedan taxi, the same way the Tamaraw FX became the byword for Asian utility vehicles that have been converted to passenger shuttles in the local scene.

Isla said the Avanza is ideal for taxis since it is spacious and fuel-efficient.

[jef7]

not just get them for sight seeing... get them to replace public transportation around the city and please please replace these jeepneys off our streets.. seriously they are annoying.


Unfortunately, the existence of jeepneys, and tricycles for the same reason, remains to be a reflection of the economic condition of our country. We have to remember that these 'annoyances' on our streets do not merely provide an alternative and affordable mode of transportation, but are the source of livelihood for many Filipino families.

Until additional, alternative jobs are created and trickle all the way down particularly to rural areas, jeepneys and tricycles will remain on Philippine roads.

[ishtefh_03]

i'm not against the jeepneys as a mode of transpo but all i want is to see good lines of jeepneys!!! new ones, not the "bulok-bulok"...

for transpo, i'm more into LRT/ MRT... so when they are close?? hirap mag commute, except to use taxi... but i'm afraid to use taxi when i'm alone... :(

[thomasian]

Toyota enters taxi segment
anew with Avanza

By Max V. de Leon
Reporter

AFTER being absent in the market for taxis in the last two years, Toyota Motors Philippines is once more venturing into this lucrative segment with the release of its Avanza models.

Daniel Isla, Toyota Philippines first vice president for marketing, told reporters Monday night that the low-end of the three-variant Avanza will be sold locally at a price lower than the Corolla XL, the last taxi model released by Toyota in the Philippines in 2004.

The Avanza, Isla said, is likely to be sold between P500,000 to P550,000; the Corolla XL was offered then at P553,000.

The company expects to sell 800 to 900 units of the Avanza monthly, for the next seven months, Isla said, with the number thereafter settling at about 500 a month.

Initially, the Avanza would be sold through a special financing package to big taxi operators. Already, Isla said the taxi operator R&E is planning to get 800 units of the Avanza, while TAI, another taxi operator, has ordered 60 units.

The Avanza, imported from Indonesia, can run on LPG, the Toyota official said.

As of 2004, some 30,000 units of sedan taxis ply Metro Manila streets and another 47,000 in other parts of the country. Isla said it remains to be seen if the Avanza would become synonymous with sedan taxi, the same way the Tamaraw FX became the byword for Asian utility vehicles that have been converted to passenger shuttles in the local scene.

Isla said the Avanza is ideal for taxis since it is spacious and fuel-efficient.

Umaasenso rin naman ang mga taxi sa Pinas kasi marami-rami na rin akong nakikita na Vios at Sentra na taxi.

[MarkiiBoi]

^ at Altis din

[ikra]

Unfortunately, the existence of jeepneys, and tricycles for the same reason, remains to be a reflection of the economic condition of our country. We have to remember that these 'annoyances' on our streets do not merely provide an alternative and affordable mode of transportation, but are the source of livelihood for many Filipino families.

Until additional, alternative jobs are created and trickle all the way down particularly to rural areas, jeepneys and tricycles will remain on Philippine roads.

true.. shifting to more efficient public transport means lesser number of double decker buses... and for the lrt and mrt, only one operator is needed to run the trains... of course its true that its devastating to those people(drivers) who would lose their job. But right now im more than happy if only the government puts this in perspective and at the same time, think of ways to give those drivers other jobs

[marites4]

actually the increased productivity that we'll garner from phasing out tricycles and jeepneys will compensate for the measly savings on cheaper fares. Plus the pollution they generate is a big social cost. You need to pass through secondary roads to get to the major roads and it's no use if you have to spend two hours in these secondary or tertiary roads to get to the main roads.

[ryanr]

Umaasenso rin naman ang mga taxi sa Pinas kasi marami-rami na rin akong nakikita na Vios at Sentra na taxi.

yeah...they dont need Toyota's warranty anyways. many local repair shops service altis and vios, so we still see them as taxis.

[Sinjin P.]

Are there Kia Pride taxis still?

[ryanr]

^ In Manila? yes. How about in Cebu?

[Sinjin P.]

^ None anymore in Cebu. Imo, they should be phased-out :D

[ryanr]

^ Indeed...and they are slowly being replaced by Vios, Altis and Sentra cabs (not to mention future Avanzas).

[MarkiiBoi]

^^ may KIA Pride pa rin dito sa Cebu

[FrancisXavier]

samin halos sentra at altis na ang mga taxi.. paunti na ng paunti ang mga lumang corola at sentra..

[FrancisXavier]

Are there Kia Pride taxis still?

hahaha..kia nasakyan namin from naia..

[Sinjin P.]

Govt to build railway around Laguna Lake
THE PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDES A ROAD NETWORK,
WILL COST $2.4B THROUGH B.O.T. SCHEME

By Max V. de Leon
Reporter

The government announced Thursday its plan to construct a road and railway system around the 220-kilometer Laguna Lake through a $2.4-billion build-operate-transfer (BOT) project.

To be called the Laguna Bay-Rizal Ecological Transport System (Labart), the project will be undertaken by a consortium of foreign and local private and state corporations.

The project was announced Thursday by Laguna Gov. Teresita Lazaro and Panay Railways chair Ofelia Bulaong.

The main objective of the project is to provide adequate accessibility to the towns and cities surrounding Laguna Lake to Metro Manila’s principal road arteries and railway systems to transform all the provinces in the Cavite, Laguna, Batangas, Rizal, Quezon and Aurora area into progressive industrial centers.

Bulaong said the project, although unsolicited, has been cleared by the National Economic and Development Authority.

Bulaong did not give specific details on the project because they are still finalizing the terms with the other groups that will undertake Labart along with Panay Railways Corp.

It entails the construction of an integrated road and railway system from Metro Manila to all towns and cities along the shoreline of Laguna de Bay in direct linkage with the proposed LRT-1 Coastal Road extension to Cavite and Philippine National Railway at FTI, Taguig.

The first option that the proponents are now looking at is the “shoreline embankment and causeway road” composed of approximately 150 kms of shoreline embankment road, 30 kms of causeway structure, 25 kms of land-based on-grade road and railway.

Bridges and series of box culverts will cross the route lines, accommodating water vessels’ passage and flow of water from land to prevent flooding.

The second option is the “Laguna de Bay on stilt carriageway for road and railway” that would involve the construction of structures above the lake’s waterline to minimize conflict with agencies and groups protecting the Laguna Lake, and issues on land reclamation, squatters and right of way.

The proponents listed 15 main components for the Labart:

the C-5/FTI to Lower Bicutan
Taguig-Calamba segment
Calamba to Bay segment
Bay to Caliraya segment
South Bay segment
Jala-Jala mountain segment
Jala-Jala to Pililia segment
Pililia to Mangahan segment
Mangahan to Lower Bicutan C6
Talim Island Spur Line
Caliraya to Mauban segment
PNR railway rehabilitation
a proposed railway
Rizal container port and Mauban international port.


The derivative components will be side projects on pollution control, water supply, flood control and land development.

The project will strategically provide a direct fast transport system to Makati and Pasig, the country’s premier financial centers, and the expanding Global City in Taguig.

The Ninoy Aquino International Airport will also just be minutes away through the C5 road.

[Sinjin P.]

Chinese group funds Laguna project

STA. CRUZ, Laguna—President Arroyo welcomed Thursday members of the Chinese consortium who will undertake the development of the $2.5-billion Laguna-Rizal Ecological Transport System (Labart).

The President had an opportunity to meet anew the Chinese consortium members during the 64th birth anniversary celebration of Laguna Gov. Teresita “Ningning” Lazaro at the Laguna Provincial Cultural Center in this capital town. Su Min and Ji Chen, government liaison officers of China’s Ministry of Finance, and Lin Jian Xin of the Xiamen municipal government, extended their gratitude to the President during the rites.

“It is my pleasure to meet you again. Hope we will have a bountiful relationship for our transport system project,” she told the Chinese investors in return.

The members of the Chinese consortium expressed elation on meeting the Chief Executive and for giving them the opportunity to undertake the so-called LABART project.

Interior and Local Government Secretary Ronaldo Puno and Presidential Adviser for Region IV-A Ed Manda also graced the occasion.

The American and Chinese consortiums and the provincial government of Laguna signed a Memorandum of Undertaking for LABART in Xiamen, China during the President’s visit to the People’s Republic of China last month.

The LABART project has three main components:

the construction of a circumferential road along Laguna Lake
the railway from Mauban, Quezon going to the Food Terminal Inc. (FTI) in Taguig City; and the
water supply and water treatment facilities of Laguna Lake.


Panay Railways, Inc. chairman Ofelia Bulaong, representative of the Philippine government in the consortium, said they will implement development of Phase 1 of the LABART project next year.

“There would be no problem on the right of way because it encompasses the Laguna Lake. It will open up the eastern seaboard from Mauban, Quezon to FTI then will directly connect to the Pasig River,” Bulaong said

[faux_ph]

Very ambitious project...

[vince_rilian]

but i do hope that this one pushes through, unlike the many previous proposals.... this would surely decongest laguna's major bottleneck... LB junction/crossing... medyo ok na kasi dun sa Calamba crossing eh, maayos na yung system.

[richard24]

wow... very good project... sana magsimula na as planned..

[dancethingy]

This project better damn go through, its too good not to. Plus they've already fired our imaginations by announcing it, to watch it die would be doubly painful.

[Sinjin P.]

they will implement development of Phase 1 of the LABART project next year.



I hope it goes as scheduled :)

[JAMAICUS]

Labart consortium preparing
master plan to start work in 18 months

By Max V. de Leon
Reporter

THE consortium that will undertake the $2.5-billion Laguna-Rizal Ecological Transport System (Labart) is now working on a master plan of the initial phase of the project for submission to the National Economic and Development Authority (Neda) within the year so it could meet its target of starting construction within 18 months.

Undersecretary Ofelia Bulaong, chairman of the Panay Railways Inc., said Phase 1 would involve the construction of causeway roads from Calamba to Bae and then to Caliraya that will cost around P2.1 billion.

Panay Railways is part of the Labart consortium that also includes the American Transport System (ATS), Solar Electric Co., PortilloTrading/Manufacturing Co., the Chinese government, Xiamen Rongta Investment Guaranty Corp., OIYC Ltd. of the British Virgin Islands and Velasquez Ventures Hong Kong Inc.

The proponents listed 15 main components for the $2.5-billion Labart and divided them into phases: the C-5/FTI to Lower Bicutan, Taguig-Calamba segment, Calamba to Bay segment, Bay to Caliraya segment, South Bay segment, Jala-Jala mountain segment, Jala-Jala to Pililia segment, Pililia to Mangahan segment, Mangahan to Lower Bicutan C6, Talim Island Spur Line, Caliraya to Mauban segment, PNR railway rehabilitation, a proposed railway, Rizal container port and Mauban international port.

The Chinese side will be concentrating on civil works, master planning and technical equipment, while the American firms will be doing the railway component, among others.

The consortium is ready to fund at least 25 percent of the 10-year project’s amount, and the rest will be from loans, which will be guaranteed jointly by Chinese government and Washington’s Overseas Private Investment Corp (OPIC). “With the participation of the Chinese government and OPIC, this will be a very bankable project,” ATS Philippine representative Chuck Goldman said. The members of the consortium presented the project to President Arroyo and Laguna Gov. Teresita Lazaro on Thursday during the birth anniversary celebration of Lazaro at the Laguna Provincial Capitol.

Bulaong said the President was very receptive of the project and was pressing them to start the project immediately.

However, Goldman said the soonest they could start the build-operate-transfer project is in 18 months because of the paper work and loan approvals that they would need to undertake first.

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/eco01.php

[dancethingy]

OH PRAY FOR DIVINE INTERVENTION, i want to see progress damn it