City of Sydney Development Application

APPLICANT: NATIONAL AUSTRALIA BANK

SITE: 330-346 GEORGE STREET, SYDNEY (ALSO HAS FRONTAGE TO ASH STREET)

PROPOSAL: CONSTRUCTION OF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING

Council has received the above development application for approval for the construction of a 20 storey commercial building containing:-

- basement level parking for 32 vehicles accessed from Pitt Street via the Angel Place development and a tunnel under Ash Street;
- ground and first floor level retail, including a new laneway access from George Street to Ash Street;

It's that hole in the ground near Wynyard Station. Here is the current D/A

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid35/p652b1f58020aac441c9ccc19980dc9ea/fd2f0b9c.jpg

I'm happy to see that they are serious about building on this site.

well after 5 years in the backburner, its come back to life again with developers showing interest in it! Its still along way to go and could get taller as the north Lowes site will be amalgamated , thus having more floor space!
Its currently 95m high to arch feature!.
Its such a prime posi!

i think my bro is in the firm thats doing that one...or is it a different one? culwulla??

well this one has just been relodged and is more slimmer and taller!
its 113m to spire
98m to top
91m to roof
So looks like the devlopers are serious about finally getting underway with one of the oldest sites in the city!
ill post new model pic soon.

Never knew the city had an Ash Street. Bring it on.

Thats great. I've been waiting for something to be built on that site.

The only downside to is that we lose the great view of Angel Place from George St.

This means we lose those hugenil boards :(
Prime site hope its not wasted on a midrise

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its only a small site, so 20storeys is as high as it can go. not bad another 300footer for Sydneys George Street!

20 storeys,300ft

You're to easy to please Culwulla;)

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You're to easy to please Culwulla;)</td></tr>
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I personally however am so not excited about this tower that I would almost prefer to bludgeon myself to death with this keyboard than watch the developer take a short term gain over a possible long term benefit to my world. ;)

Three words: Retain, Amalgamate, Soar.

The developers should be looking at some of the sh!tty little properties around the site in the hope of consolidating a larger land holding, and building something of decent height (and design of course) to grace our skyline with.

Or I could just relax and accept that this will most likely be built, and know that at least it will fill that particular gap in the streetscape. :| ;)

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You're to easy to please Culwulla;)</td></tr>
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I personally however am so not excited about this tower that I would almost prefer to bludgeon myself to death with this keyboard than watch the developer take a short term gain over a possible long term benefit to my world. ;)

Three words: Retain, Amalgamate, Soar.

The developers should be looking at some of the sh!tty little properties around the site in the hope of consolidating a larger land holding, and building something of decent height (and design of course) to grace our skyline with.

Or I could just relax and accept that this will most likely be built, and know that at least it will fill that particular gap in the streetscape. :| ;)</td></tr>
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yeah i understand how ya feel! lol but if you check out pic, the site also has shadow issues with martin place! it cant go much higher anyhow!

:)

S.H.A.D.O.W.I.N.G

My god we Live in a country that has the highest rate of skin cancer in the world,We need all the shadows we can get.:cool:

lol martin place is already shadowed and wee need more of these places desperately!!!!!
lets all petition for more overshadowed havens in the cbd!

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My god we Live in a country that has the highest rate of skin cancer in the world,We need all the shadows we can get.:cool:</td></tr>
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:rotf:

I don't know why this hasn't occured to me before, but today I went and checked Martin Place out at 1pm - Lunch. In the area between George Street and Castlereagh Street, the only spot of sun I saw that was at a height a human could access, was a spot 2 metres high by 1 metre wide and was shining on the 4th granite collumn (starting about 1.5 metres from the ground) of the GPO building (counting the first granite collumn from the Pitt Street side and the 4th heading towards the George Street side).

So I guess 2 people could have gathered side by side in front of this granite collumn and enjoyed the winter sun streaming on their faces, assuming they stood up for the entire lunch break...

Grrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rant: :bleep: :rant: :bleep:

Martin Place does not even get sun in winter!!!! Build a fricken wall of 300m skyscrapers - makes no fricken difference at all!!!!

:rant: :bleep: :rant: :bleep:

On that note, ( not just for this site )I am sick of interest groups, especially around where I live, (northern beaches ) protesting about the developments and additions to properties. No need to elaborate you know what I mean.
Always wanted to start a group in favour of some development. Still with consideration of the impact on sounding areas but with a degree of human reasonability and understanding that does not exist in many current groups. With some contemplation that the very developments that are often opposed may improve sounding info structure support the short coming of the area.

To make a point, tongue in cheek, support groups for more mobile phone towers, more shop top housing in outlying areas etc.

Back to Martin Place. Also to it is to bad more development was not undertaken years ago, before some real standards with incite in the cities future were put in place by council. If more development had been under taken then, we might have a different precedent for today. Which might allow what you are think of to go ahead.

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:rotf:

I don't know why this hasn't occured to me before, but today I went and checked Martin Place out at 1pm - Lunch. In the area between George Street and Castlereagh Street, the only spot of sun I saw that was at a height a human could access, was a spot 2 metres high by 1 metre wide and was shining on the 4th granite collumn (starting about 1.5 metres from the ground) of the GPO building (counting the first granite collumn from the Pitt Street side and the 4th heading towards the George Street side).

So I guess 2 people could have gathered side by side in front of this granite collumn and enjoyed the winter sun streaming on their faces, assuming they stood up for the entire lunch break...

Grrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rant: :bleep: :rant: :bleep:

Martin Place does not even get sun in winter!!!! Build a fricken wall of 300m skyscrapers - makes no fricken difference at all!!!!

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we actually test for 12-2pm on winter solistice which is my birthday-:D june 22. sometimes june21,23. but there cant be 'addtional" shade impact. there are pockets of sunlight , as you said, we must protect. but i wouldnt mind a 235m slender glass tower with a 50m spire anyday!;)

Still Grrr! :)

But happy birthday for the 22nd :) .

Next time you do a shadow test, can you please rig the "sun" so that it sits lower in the sky so that there will be shadows everywhere anyway, and a 235 metre tower (+ 88 metre spire - you do the math on that one ;)) can be built without any "additional" shadows showing up on the model! ;)

Or drill a hole in the ceiling above the model, whack a torch up there and leave it on when the shadow testing is done ;)

I've just noticed this threads name is "OFFICIAL : 320 -338 PITT STREET".

It should be "OFFICIAL : 330-346 GEORGE STREET".

:)

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check again my friend!

remember: tayser is watching. muahuah

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A 90 metre building on George St is not that bad. Remember many buildings along the street at Wynyard are no more than 60-70metres in height.

And I would like to ask how could Angel Place be approved at it's current height yet they won't approve the same for the site which is virtually next door?

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simply because of the site area fab! the Angel place site is massive. thats why the tower is wide. Its all got to do with floor space ratio!!!!!!the larger the site, the larger the building!!

The 330 George st site is only a 25% of Angel Places site.

well here the latest model. as you can see its a slightly varied option to first design.

http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/06/196565.jpg

Fairly similar to the previous proposal but is an improvement on the previous one.:)

I don't mind this design. As others have said, there's issues with that nuisance (to some) sun access plane... ah well, just build the damn thing and fill in another damn hole.

Damnit.

I was looking in the Sydway and the site looks just as big as Angel Place. It seems that there is a bit of disparity there.

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nah, its tiny compared to Angel place. ill post a plan of the block to show what i mean.

IMHO I like the look of it. More commercial towers for Sydney I say, instead of the barrage of 'vertical villages" i.e. apartment towers (even some of those are lookin' pretty nifty design-wise).

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<tr><td align=left valign=top>well after 5 years in the backburner, its come back to life again with developers showing interest in it! Its still along way to go and could get taller as the north Lowes site will be amalgamated , thus having more floor space!
Its currently 95m high to arch feature!.
Its such a prime posi!</td></tr>
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If the Lowes Site was to be almagated, how tall could they build?

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Its such a prime posi!</td></tr>
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not sure? but lowes is a tiny site, so not much higher.

APPROVED LAST NIGHT!! construction to start this year or early next year! great more prime office space!

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH! :guns1: :guns1: :guns1: :guns1:

Are they gonna demolish "Lowes" store soon??

Thank God! We need something decent next to gorgeous Societe Generale building! :D :cool: :D

Originally posted by CULWULLA
APPROVED LAST NIGHT!! construction to start this year or early next year! great more prime office space!

Another infamous hole in the ground to soon disappear!!!

The only downside is the impressive view of Angel Place rail commuters are treated too upon leaving Wynyard station.

It looks like the development is for sale and those interested have until September 11 to do so.

this DA will get snapped up! its such a prime posi on George st! not many new 20storey office towers on main drag in CBD come along that often!

Great this will happen
still nothing set till cons started then even thenmight be too soon LOL

Originally posted by CULWULLA
this DA will get snapped up! its such a prime posi on George st! not many new 20storey office towers on main drag in CBD come along that often!

It's rare these days to get any development at all along the street as development sites are scarce.

Next: Cityone

Originally posted by Fabian
It's rare these days to get any development at all along the street as development sites are scarce.

Next: Cityone

Cityone? LOL. I don't think we're going to be seeing that one for a while. Too bad though...

But this is great news, and should be a good quality tower, judging by the other stuff that is surrounding it. And another Sydney CBD hole bites the dust.

:guns1:

Originally posted by fro
Cityone? LOL. I don't think we're going to be seeing that one for a while. Too bad though...

But this is great news, and should be a good quality tower, judging by the other stuff that is surrounding it. And another Sydney CBD hole bites the dust.

:guns1:

They've gone silent since it went down to 130metres. I hope negociations to build something decent are continuing. The Menzies hotel needs to go. It's so ugly and uninviting. If a had a pic of it, it would be in the ozscrapers jail.

big news!
from fin review-

Justin Hemmes' Merivale Group has paid in excess of $23 million for vacant land and an office building DA at 330-346 George Street in Sydney. Although an 18-level office tower development is approved for the site, it is expected Mr Hemmes will redevelop the site with a new bar complex and highrise apartments.
This is so much better than the 90m office tower with an lowes site next to it being developed. Now we can get some height on the site. easily 100m+ being residential use with inclusion of more land!
No doubt the pre DA models will come in soon!

Not another slum for Sydney.

The site is a commercial goldmine!!!!

Fabian you have really got to get over you're dislike for Inner City Apartments,they are needed to help keep the City Alive after workers go home and don't say such stupid things as it will be"slum".You have no basis to give it such a title.If you feel this way I hope You never become Mayor of Sydney.

And if it was a commercial gold mind how come it has not gone ahead after 9 years:?

They are sitting on a commercial gold mine. It's George Street in the financial heart of Sydney. The big institutions want their headquarters in that part of town where all the action is and be located right near train stations and bus stops.

Yes I know and it still stayed a propsal for 9 years.

Originally posted by Fabian
Not another slum for Sydney.

The site is a commercial goldmine!!!!

Definitely not going to be a slum! The Hemmes family renovated the burnt out heritage building further north on Geroge Street and created one of Sydney's poshest bar/restaurant/nightclub venues, with "The Establishment" and "tank". I think their developments are very classy!

LOL... a slum on George St north. Who would've thought. Frankly, I don't care if the building was indended for selling black market Russian military hardware... more towers for Sydney.

just checked the maximum height this sucker can go to under the sun access plane for Martin Place and its 180m at north end of site and 110m at southern end. So this means a tower probably located midway could get to 160m high or slightly higher than Angel place. Thats a 50storey apartment tower!!!
cool!.

50 storey on that site! :? Amazing - I thought it was meant to be a short tower.......

Sounds like this development will take a few more years....This one is the same as Regent Theatre site or Kindersley site - countless proposals and approvals but remains dormant for years.......:rant:

Originally posted by AltiusAltiusAltius
50 storey on that site! :? Amazing - I thought it was meant to be a short tower.......

Sounds like this development will take a few more years....This one is the same as Regent Theatre site or Kindersley site - countless proposals and approvals but remains dormant for years.......:rant:
The new owner has just bought the site adjacent to the site, thus giving the total site a better site ratio. The approved office tower is bulky at 90m.offices have a site ratio of 1;12 while residential can go to 1;17! thus a residential DA can go much higher!!!
this will be developed next year! no later!

Originally posted by CULWULLA
just checked the maximum height this sucker can go to under the sun access plane for Martin Place and its 180m at north end of site and 110m at southern end. So this means a tower probably located midway could get to 160m high or slightly higher than Angel place. Thats a 50storey apartment tower!!!
cool!.

They have really underestimated the potential of this site. I hope Cityone increases the potential of the site.

Great Height there from what we started with. Despite there are better options this is great news. Again but still to slow to fill this hole

What adjacent site have they bought? Is it only Lowes or the one north of Lowes as well?

Of course nobody will ever contemplate touching the gorgeous Societe Generale Bldg! Any future tower there must have a superb sandstone podium to blend with Societe Generale which is a real architectural gem!

Originally posted by AltiusAltiusAltius
What adjacent site have they bought? Is it only Lowes or the one north of Lowes as well?

Of course nobody will ever contemplate touching the gorgeous Societe Generale Bldg! Any future tower there must have a superb sandstone podium to blend with Societe Generale which is a real architectural gem!
yeah the lowes site was added. So the site streches from north face of Societe generale to north face of Lowes.
Its now a pretty decent size. Can build up to 180m

Does the current model include the Lowes site? If not I bet a new model is on the way.

Here's a pic of the development site, with the newly acquired Lowes site just to the left of the outlined red boundary - making it a fairly decent sized site!

http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/JLL/JLL_38/300/JLL_38_24180_14240.jpg

Originally posted by Sydguy1
Fabian you have really got to get over you're dislike for Inner City Apartments,they are needed to help keep the City Alive after workers go home and don't say such stupid things as it will be"slum".You have no basis to give it such a title.If you feel this way I hope You never become Mayor of Sydney.

And if it was a commercial gold mind how come it has not gone ahead after 9 years:?

I don't care if they are built in Surry Hills, Millers Point, Pyrmont and Ultimo but please keep the apartments away from the commercial parts of town. As I have stated numerous times the CBD is a place of commerce, not a place for people to live.

Whack a 180m in there no troubles.

Originally posted by Fabian
I don't care if they are built in Surry Hills, Millers Point, Pyrmont and Ultimo but please keep the apartments away from the commercial parts of town. As I have stated numerous times the CBD is a place of commerce, not a place for people to live.
nah, thats the way of the 80's. Not since the "city living' policy, Sydney has changed forever! We now have apartment towers adjacent to corporate firms in the centre of CBD which i think is brilliant! the mixture of commercial and residential is actually working! We will see alot more of this over next 10-20 years!

finn, thanks for that pic. perfectly outlines the site. I cant wait until the pre-DA's come in so i can let you guys know what this is is panning out like. From what ive heard the millionaire developer who purchased the site is excited about it and wants to develope the site as soon as he can. So next year this baby will happen!!
hopefully 40-50 storey (120-160m) size!

The good thing about this development is that George St will get a decent scraper. This along with Cityone will help connect the skyscraper wall along the northern part of George st with that of the mid city precient.

120 -160m even! ;)

Hmm we lose the view of the saved heritage façade of the on Angle Place, just saying remember that for years ago and the view of it will be lost. Then why was it saved?

That facade is a joke - also can't wait to see the Lowes store demolished (it's a shame that dreadful building north of Lowes will stay there)...And then build a tower with a sandstone podium! :cool: This part of George St will no longer be an eyesore! :guns1:

Originally posted by Trances
Hmm we lose the view of the saved heritage façade of the on Angle Place, just saying remember that for years ago and the view of it will be lost. Then why was it saved?

It ill be no big loss. You couldn't really see it too much from George St

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid60/p25f6d395276f5d92d3ebe230ee9bb020/fc530d55.jpg

Originally posted by Trances
Hmm we lose the view of the saved heritage façade of the on Angle Place, just saying remember that for years ago and the view of it will be lost. Then why was it saved?
The historic facade of Angel House on Ash Lane is part of Angel Place dev not 330 george, so its just bummer you wont be able to see from george st, but you can see it from Ash lane.!!!

Still got the squat St George Bank Building there as is that the one you mean ?

Trances, St George Bank building is not part of the D/A.

I think Trances is referring to A x 3's statement.

All that crapola north is just a pukey mish-mash of coloured 70s/80s of exactly that, including that stupid Hunter Connection thing which is just laughable and couldn't possibly have any crediblity in design circles.

well i hope everyone is sitting down! this is about as worse as it gets! recently submitted as a "pre-DA" by Merivale Group. designed by Woods Bagot, the site had an approval for a 25st/90m office tower by NAB. Well latest proposal is for a 4 storey club/retail centre!!!!!!!! :eek2:

i nearly fainted when i saw this impression. WTF???
I actually asked the planner if it was the original woolworths bldg from the 70's.lol "was i having a bad dream??"

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/126330georgest-med.jpg

i couldt go into detail with planner because she had a meeting but i could see that applicant want to start asap. The 4 storey bldg takes up whole site (doesnt include lOWES)?
it has a large void through the centre and is basically a night club type shopping centre ??? with concrete blocks for facade and ugly balconies jutting out into street?
im not sure if the Hemmes guy still wants to build apartments on Lowes site? which has a 180m height limit!!!
but im really confused with whole thing?
i have to have a lie down!lol
:bleep:

Urgent memo to Sydney forumers.
Now is the time that we're going to have to arrange that 'intervention' for Culwulla. He's gone loco man.
I suspect he's smoking copious amounts of gunja and maybe venturing into a bit of 'self-harm'.
Now he's rabbiting on about a f*cking 4 storey building for the entire Lowes site.
Lock him up quick.

This has got to be a joke?

But then Again?

lol spaz, nah its no joke! its reality! how can the devloper make money from such a wasted development? these prime george street sites dont come along that often. they should take full advantage of the sites potential. man this is ridiculous!:bash:

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4 storeys! :crazy2:

One can only hope that the faxed brief the architect recieved from the Merivale Group had the '0' (following the '4') cut inadvertently off the page.

They should do this as "stage one" of the development of the site, build this complex, but make the foundations and base stong enough to support a highrise tower of some sort in the future.

I hope the council rejects it as to encourage something tall to emerge from the site to make sure the site gets developed to it's full potential.

Originally posted by Fabian
They should do this as "stage one" of the development of the site, build this complex, but make the foundations and base stong enough to support a highrise tower of some sort in the future.

I hope the council rejects it as to encourage something tall to emerge from the site to make sure the site gets developed to it's full potential.
the council dont really care what gets built. it just has to abide the rules and regulations and that will make them happy! most planners are anti-highrise anyway, so this option will suit them to a tea!!
:bash:

Can we send these fucking planners to Parramatta if they hate high-rise. This project is by far the most stupid waste of prime space and it will contain the most ugliest piece of shit stump of a building. I am really starting to despise this town ............

Bloody hell, this is the worst nighmare coming true! :rant:

Bloody NAB did nothing there for 10 years and then we expected another commercial tower, maybe even big residential/mixed use and now we can end up with a "Lowes flagship store" on George St....This is crazy - Council should not approve this if they have any dignity and self-respect....Are they bribed or something? This must be stopped by all means until someone comes along and offers a decent development proposal! What a joke... Wake up - this is a prime location opposite Wynyard Station! :bash: :bash: :bash:

sin-council only regulate building conditions not design.they cant force a tower on a site. (although i would).
well the planner said that hemmes isnt interested in making money from erecting an office tower or home units. Its going to be an "oasis" in the city with "growing walls", the 1m think walls along the north side is glass packed with plants.lol
there is definaley no tower to be built above. Hemmes is a club man.
so sad.:bash:
ill move the 100m proposal into "never built" section on ss.com.

hmmm, sydney is getting a 4 level proposal in a prime site, and Adelaide is getting 20, 21 and 26 storey towers in the CBD in close proximity of each other, are we having role reversal here????:sly:

All time low.:bleep:

Did you know that in new residential developments in Melbourne, that only certain types of homes can be built, ie only 2 stories and thats it. SCC need to adopt also a minimum height on a number of prime locations.

In other words, if someone wants to buy a site then they need to be aware of the minimum height expected, otherwise they can fuck off like Hemmes perhaps should .........

Ok looking at this seem if I am in the wrong world
Do you have a clearer render of the building that photo looks like is from the 70s with out reading the story thats is what came to mind
I hope we get some closure on this soon as it just seem very unreal

Looks like an early 60s carpark. This thing is redundant even before it's built. It would look great on the outskirts of Broken HIll or Kalgoorlie. How about underground in Coober Pedy?

And we thought the 70s shopping village on the Boyd Tower site was a shocker.

If it goes ahead as a club and retail centre, I hope it fails miserably and I'm sure I'm not alone with this sentiment.

It looks more like a #@$% suburban shopping arcade. I thought the council had learned from letting such architecture get off the ground. Muse is 100 % right about this being worse than that arcade in Pitt St with an even more boring facade and is not as open as the one in Pitt St.

The council keep complaining about the lack of sites for development and should of kept pushing for something tall on that site like Kinderseley House as to maximise site use, yet they let a low rise project go ahead, or at least do what I suggested a few posts back. Remember the Mid City Centre has been developed in this fashion too, retail podium first than scraper above.:)

I don't mind the look of the place, pretty cool, retro all happy-lovin something of a club. Hemmes is always proud of stylishness, so don't worry how it will look when done, if it gets approved. It'd be strange to have a balcony popping out over George st though, and I don't see that gum tree staying for long. Nonetheless it is a real waste of an opportunity and he won't be forgiven unless he takes advantage of the Lowes site to build high!

There are still signs on the site saying that the D/A is for sale even though it is known that the Hemmes family are going to develop the site. Maybe they might be selling.

Hope it might mean a change !
Is the last plan still going ahead

the new 4storey club has been formally lodged! the construction should start within 6 months apparently.
i just hope the adjacent Lowes site gets developed to full 40storey potential!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/126330ggeorgest-med.jpg

i must say its an interesting complex but not for a prime position on bloody george st.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/126330georgeclose.jpg



http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/126330georgeangel.jpg

That design looks really cool!

I know it's a massive underdevelopment of such a prime site, but it will be injecting something different into that part of town that office and residential towers can't - a destination and crowd attractor (i.e. people coming for the food, entertainment, nightclub etc.).

It will most likely be redeveloped some day, and as you mentioned Cul, there's always the Lowes site for a tall skinny tower - although I have a gut feeling they'll just keep leasing it to Lowes - for the time being at least.

I agree it's not all bad after all. Even though I'm not into retro styles from the 60's and 70's, but it gives the building a good look and the way they have used the style is quite good, like on the northern side. I like the open space inside which will provide for a good escape from the hustle and bustle of George St. :)

If you built this to 40 levels then Angel Place view would be polarized.

Hey I like it, something a little different, not every site should have a tower on it, plus we need that height variance. Though having said that they could of built a tower with a plaza and club around it are i.e. MLC centre. I love the open space a Plaza provides, I miss that in new building designs, I doubt that site was big enough for that though. Anyway as a bonus now I get to keep the view of Centrepoint from my apartment. YEAH!!!!!

This proposal is disgusting - I reckon a bomb crater would look better on that site! :mad: >( :bleep:

The section of George St between Societe Generale and Hunter St corner will be Sydney's disgrace and eyesore - can't believe that City of Sydney can tolerate something like this on its most prominent thoroughfare! This building may be suitable only for Cabramatta, Lakemba and Mt Druitt! :bash:

It is not necessary to build a skyscraper on this site at all - this site requires a building of the same size and bulk as the neighbouring Societe Generale Building. Would be nice to have a sandstone facade too...

This proposal must be rejected!

:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

Well, one for always looking for the positive things in life, looking on the brighter side and facing reality...

1) We will still have a view of the tower component of Angel Place from George Street

2) It might actually turn out to be a piece of good modern architecture and...

3) In my last reply, I said I had hoped it fails miserably. I retract. There would be others involved apart from the new owners. i.e. it will create jobs for those in the hospitatlity, retail and entertainment industries. So I wish 'em luck.

As said earlier, looks like a great design now, and if it goes ahead will at least look nice and bring more crowds to this underutilised (at night) part of Sydney. We get a good quality lowrise building which preserves view to Angel Place, and the side of Societe Generale, its directly opposite Wynyard so some early morning sun can get in when leaving the station.....jeez i talk bullshit....

Anyway, I wish them luck, I am not holding my breath expecting Lowes to be redeveloped by Hemmes, hopefully he sells that part and gets developed to full height potential.

Cheers

I am so pissed off when I walk past this site and see a "sold" sign....:bleep:

There is only one good solution for this part of George St - demolish Lowes store, demolish St George bank, amalgamate all three sites and build a mid rise building approximately the same height as Societe Generale....What we need in this town is more uniformity in building heights!

Hope this proposal will not eventuate - we are talking about the main thoroughfare running through the most important city in this part of the world, this is not Katoomba or Cessnock! :bash:

The Lowes site was owned by Angel Place and was sold to Hemmes at a reduced price on the guarantee that nothing would be developed on the site that would detract at all from Angel Place - i.e. nothing that would block views from the tower.

In other words, don't expect anything of any decent height to be developed on the Lowes site. My guess is that Hemmes will retain the Lowes building as an investment and continue the lease with Lowes, with the site retained for possible future expansion of the nightclub/restarant/bar complex or addition of a "boutique hotel" component.

This is the worst George St nightmare coming true! :bash:

C'mon people, it aint the end of the world here. I think this design has some merit and will add something interesting to George St. Not everthing is going to be tall.

And just to rub it in, we should hold an Ozscrapers Sydney meet at this place once its open. :D

from todays SMH-
COUNCIL MERGER FALLOUT
The council meger has started to hit the Hemmes family plan to build the 4 storey club/restaurant in george st and are threatening to pull out of the $24mil dev.
Justin Hemmes said-"We could have gone to 28 floors but we went to 4 floors and now council have cancelled meetings because of the merger."Business cant stop because of the council crisis"!
lol. please Justin pull out mate!! let another devloper build a skyscraper there instead!!!:D

ha ha *nelson laugh*

and this was just after I noticed the "sold" sign was placed on the "for sale" sign in George St. Maybe he has decided to chicken out already which is good.

And the claim about no meetings is bull. There was a meeting of adminstrators last night and D/A applications are still being lodged and discussed as per usual.

Pull out mate!!! :D :D

Would be soooo bloody terrific to have this one shelved at least until somebody comes along with a decent proposal! :angel1:

Yeah guys saw the site ayer (spanish means yesterday) and it had a SOLD on it? Does this mean this crappy proposals is gone 4 eva????? PLZ say it so!!

:cool:

in todays tele theres a story on how the city Council has a heritage laneway which runs down the centre of the site and has halted JHemmes plans! lol
The plans now have been rejected and is now in courts.
hemms said he is bemused by the descision! hehe
so we will have to see what happens with the court outcome.

That's going to occur regardless if it is Hemmes' plans or a 180m proposal, won't it?

That's going to occur regardless if it is Hemmes' plans or a 180m proposal, won't it?
maybe? but there have been former DAs' which have been approved beacuse they had the laneway as a "feature" with a large atrium exposing the laneway running thru site.
maybe its changed now?

That makes sense. I'd say Hemmes' proposal turns its back on the laneway and just wants to develop over it.

Why would you want to get rid of a CBD laneway? The City was right to refuse he development, maybe if it was a 180m tower you might consider it but losing a laneway for a 4 storey building is defintaley not worth it.

In Melbourne nearly every new development includes new laneways, now days nobody would ever consider building over an existing laneway.

Why would you want to get rid of a CBD laneway? The City was right to refuse he development, maybe if it was a 180m tower you might consider it but losing a laneway for a 4 storey building is defintaley not worth it.

In Melbourne nearly every new development includes new laneways, now days nobody would ever consider building over an existing laneway.

Yeah, it seems a weird issue for the Hemmes to try and push, since Sydney City Council supports developments more when they incorporate new public accessways through their site, as opposed to building over an existing one!

Most new developments in Sydney also contain "laneways" I guess...well, more like through-site arcades really, usually through developments that are mid-block - I mean they aren't accessible to cars, but pedestrian throughways really...like the one they put through the Cove site (Harrington to Gloucester St), 363 George Street (George to Clarence), Meriton Tower will have one (George to Kent), John Boyd Development has one planned Pitt to Castlereagh), Citigroup/Galleries Victoria has a couple (George to Pitt), KENS will have an undergound arcade link to Wynyard Station, World Square will have numerous entraces and paths to move through the block in a diagonal manner I believe, Hilton is retaining their George to Pitt link and actually putting car acces through for a port couchere I believe - similar to the car entrance to the Westin in Melbourne...so, like you said Grollo, it's difficult to imagine why Hemmes would be allowed to build over a current one!! :?

Hopefully the court sees it from this perspective as well.

FYI "porte cochère", ie, coach gate/door, so it has been around for a while. Old expression, new context.

hehe I'm glad those Hemmes morons may be prevented from developing that monstrosity on George Street! m)) :down: m)) :down:

Long live City laneways! :cucumber: :banana2:

The 4storey club DA has been withdrawn and the model of the 110m office tower put back in BUT, hemmes has already had prelimenary talks about an amended plan of the 4storey club which pushes the laneway to north of site and hooks up with rear Ash lane. so whos knows if this will work?

The office tower is back :drunk:

You can still have your club in the podium of this tower

From The Daily Telegraph (dailytelegraph.com.au)

Building of glass, no grass

By CHARLES MIRANDA Chief City Reporter

June 7, 2004

SYDNEY will have a new office skyscraper with plans by nightclub king Justin Hemmes for a city "garden oasis" rejected in favour of a 20-storey glass tower.

A furious Mr Hemmes last week began negotiations with a developer to build the new skyline monolith after City of Sydney Council last month refused to allow his "simple" vision for the George St site.

Mr Hemmes, who owns seven of the top pubs and clubs in the city, paid $24 million for a 13-year-old construction hole-in-the-ground and an adjacent non-listed empty building, to turn into a retail front and second floor open-air wine and oyster bar.

His three-storey design involved 1200sq m of open-air gardens with 20m-tall trees, water ponds and real grass for office workers to relax on in lunch hours.

But in an unexpected planning decision, the Sydney of City Council has rejected that plan in favour of a massive glass-panelled skyscraper.

The move flies in the face of Lord Mayor Clover Moore's push for more green in the city.

One of the reasons for the rejection came down to a 168-year-old laneway that splits Mr Hemmes' sites.

The entrepreneur thought he owned Palings Lane but the council claimed ownership and believed his oasis plan – which would have incorporated a 4.5m-high arcade-style roof – would diminish its value.

Ironically, the tower block they did approve has a 13m-high roof over the lane but would involve the shifting of the lane to one side of the site.

Since his plans' rejection The Daily Telegraph has learned Hemmes Hermitage Pty Ltd has begun formal talks with one of two developers for a joint venture office tower construction.

Mr Hemmes declined to comment yesterday but his office confirmed "he has been approached to go into a joint venture construction".

"He knows the value of preserving heritage with 95 per cent of his constructions involving heritage, like Slip Inn built in 1860, but his plans were declined," a spokeswoman said.

The council had expected Mr Hemmes would take legal action to claim the lane but given pre-approved plans for a tower block, he apparently saw it as an easier option to just develop.

City developers were surprised when he was prepared to use the large block for only a three-storey low rise development but were even more shocked by the council's refusal in favour of a monolith.

"He would have had to [have] bought one of the few privately owned lawn mowers in the CBD for his plans, but I guess the 20-storey building is easier," one said.

According to council papers last month, Palings Lane was described as a "rare example of a pedestrian route created when the north-south street grid was formed in early Sydney".

:drunk:

woohoo!i was told by planner this might happen a while back but i never had the faith in hemmes. it sounds like the obvious thing to do, the tower is already approved and he just puts his damn club in podium everything will be rosey!! so i guess this will start very soon! wow another 100m office tower for sydney!
heres a pic of tower before i painted it approved last year. its same design.
height-113m (spire)
blade-98m
roof-90m
floors-25.

http://img52.photobucket.com/albums/v158/culwulla/330georgesthemmes.jpg

Great use of words there by Mr Miranda "skyline monolith" and "massive glass-pannelled skyscraper"- perhaps the words a back of Bourke NIMBY might use to describe such a proposal.

I have to say I'm generally all for tall developments, but this is disappointing, basically a non-descript 20 floor building to add to the millions (ie hundreds...)already in the city, the original proposal would at least have given us something a bit more unique. Hopefully Hemmes will put a lot of his classy touches somewhere there.

Cheers

Charles Miranda needs to be smacked in the jaw!

Gee, dunno what to fink. I was prepared to accept the low-rise club by itself. I'm equally prepared to accept a nicely designed mid-rise scraper but I won't hold my breath.

The envelope is approved but....

Will Hemmes actually be interested in building in cahoots with another corporate backer? Will the market desire a new office building @ this stage? Will it go back for another DA submission (re the laneway access etc)? Is there an apartment tower nearby where the residents will complain about losing there view down to the glamourous Wynyard Ramp ;) ?

So many questions.

BTW LOL @ this sentence...

"City developers were surprised when he was prepared to use the large block for only a three-storey low rise development but were even more shocked by the council's refusal in favour of a monolith."

City developers or OZScraper forumers? Maybe Miranda has been lurking on the forum for a while :lurker:

Yeaaahhh, I've been lobbying hard for this one! lol :)

Who gives a damn about Miranda (what freakin' green space is that person talkin' about?), we'll get a new tower! And more importantly, the freakin' Lowes will go forever!

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

everyone!!! this 25storey office tower is APPROVED!!!! not just the envelope or pre -DA but the DA application! so in otherwords it doesnt have to seek approval anymore!
Hemmes will put in a (section 96) for the alternate use for lower floors as night club . -this wont even goe to council.
It should commence construction before end of year.
Hey its no Latitude or KENS but for the smmall site, its reached its full potential, much better than a 4storey club!!!
note#-Lowes isnt part of this site!.

This calls for a celebration guy's. The last of our infamous holes in the ground will be filled at long bloody last with something decent.

:drunk: :dance:

Bring on Cityone

:dance: :dance: We should party all nite for this one!
:cucumber: :cucumber: :cucumber: :banana: :booze: :booze: :booze:

Wow great news tho i think doubling its height would be much better and wiser in the long run, this is a prime site.

RIP -> crappy 4 storey club, CUL spit on the club model just for me will ya??? (b4 you burn it to rid the evil within >:) muhahahaha

Get ready to spew yourselves again. The 4 storey bar proposal is back :puke: :cry:

What a waste!!!!! :bash:

From The Sydney Morning Herald (smh.com.au)

Hotelier and council on lane to peace
By Tim Dick
June 29, 2004

The hotelier Justin Hemmes has won his battle for Palings Lane.

The City of Sydney last night changed its opposition to plans for a bar, restaurant and retail conversion on George Street, in exchange for moving Palings Lane, which connects George and Ash streets, north and $1 million of improvements for Ash Street.

The Hemmes family, whose Merivale Group operates a string of inner-city bars, will still need development approval for the four-storey building that will take in the former National Australia Bank site and another, on the other side of the existing Palings Lane.

The Lord Mayor, Clover Moore, described the proposal as "fair and reasonable", while the preliminary approval all but eliminates the possibility of an already-approved 20-storey office block, which Mr Hemmes threatened to build if the bar was not approved, being constructed.

Meanwhile after a decade of planning, consulting and arguing, the council last night decided - after heated criticism from community groups and Labor, Liberal and Green councillors - to defer its latest, scaled-back plan for the proposed Ultimo Aquatic Centre.
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It will undertake further public consultation over the plans to keep the roof on the Harry Seidler-designed complex, as well as the 50-metre and hydrotherapy pools, but axe the leisure pool and shrink the building to contain costs.

The Labor councillor Michael Lee proposed upgrades to the Prince Alfred Pool near Central Station and a new pool in Green Square, but Cr Moore said it was irresponsible to make such proposals at a council meeting without feasibility studies. They will instead be considered separately to the Ultimo pool.

The Lord Mayor, Clover Moore, described the proposal as "fair and reasonable"

Surprise, surprise. I'm surprised that four storeys isn't too high for her.

And I thought Clover had a policy of not surrendering to developers either.

"Fair and reasonable" maybe in GreenSquare or Redfern, but not in the bloody middle of the bloody CBD of Sydney. Clover Moore: Destroying the highrise future of Sydney?

Clover Moore simply has no clue. She really isnt part of this world... she needs to get of the drugs and realise that a 4 storey building in that location is not fair and reasonable its ludicrous,,this takes the cake, bloody embarrassing... Anyway to force her out of office...cleary has no clue about a city, hope her stay is short...

EDIT: Sorry lost my cool, removed my 'heated' comments.

What I'm surprised is how little people have voiced their concerns against her "vision" of a extremely laughable future for Sydney's CBD.

Can the next Lord Mayor correct all the damage she will have caused during her term in office?

Can the next Lord Mayor correct all the damage she will have caused during her term in office?

I hope the next Lord Mayor is a member of SkyscraperCity forum. :)

What a weird woman! :bash:

She is the major enemy of this City - the future generations will be throwing up guts surrounded by her ugly 'legacy' :deadthrea :wallbash: :puke:

damn!

and to add to all this "misery", the council has a date with the Land and Environment Court as Hemmes seeks to get his club approved :bash:

This club better the damn best looking club in the city and have freiggin' 1/2 price drinks all night long and have gorgeous grils throwing themselves at you when you walk in.

:(

"skyline monolith" and "massive glass-pannelled skyscraper"
not words i would use as well !
I think the club idea would be ok kinda waste but we need more quality pubs

How about l build my super skyscraper - "RaveCity" on the plot and we forget about the whole sorry mess ;)

http://home.iprimus.com.au/allicit/Images/rave.01.gif

there was rave held on the angle place site one
was mad fun when it was a golf range

Yes something is different. I have been to raves in all sorts of places. from runways, demolition sites and carparks to the superdome, centrepoint and the Manhattan Convention Centre. One of the most fun was under the silos at White Bay... another was not far away in a big warehouse next to anzac bridge... everyone broke into the venue and we fudged the power from somewhere - was awesome, very underground :)

Some of the best venues have been ordinary warehouses but I still love the Superdome and 10000 ravers, likewise some of the United parties etc at the Atrium have been heaps memorable, Australia's Wonderland will be missed too.

You all suck!

Noone noticed that I edited the animation slightly. :colgate:

4 story club what the f***!

You all suck!

Noone noticed that I edited the animation slightly. :colgate:

I do now. You added white beams. It should replace the existing one as it looks even better.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/allicit/Images/rave.01.gif

And by the way, where is your render of RaveCity???

Could Justin be doing us a favour?

You've gotta wonder why anyone in their right mind would lose out on so much potential money by throwing away floor space, BUT, could Justin Hemmes be doing it deliberately, knowing that the developers of CityOne will need floorspace transferred to their site? Justin could make a mint from them, just by getting the developers of CityOne to buy the air rights over the lowes / nightclub site, with absolutely no risk involved. Perhaps he's our knight in shining armour!

And by the way, where is your render of RaveCity???

All in good time... Rave city will be monolithic and if you thought those little lasers and lights on SkyCastle were fullon, you aint seen anything ;)

Air Hostess from I, ROBOT; soothing voice but blank stare: "We will be landing @ Rave City in 5 minutes. Please fasten your seatbelts*.

I as passenger look out window. No, I ain't seen nuffin yet!! What I do see are extremely tall, handsome generic glass buildings, an abundance of concrete overpasses, passenger craft smoothly gliding above the ground yet no street life...and all the rivers and parks look grey 'n dingy as there was no basic environmental infrastucture imposed; it was considered unecessary and unaethetically pleasing.

The hostess looks in my direction and she says in that voice "Enjoy your stay in Rave Ci-Ci-Ci-City" and with that I certainly do feel not all is perfect.

He is very, very money conscious! See how he saves money by parking for 4 hours in a disabled parking spot. He knows how to save a dollar. He may be rich (tah, Daddy & Mummy) but I think he is a bit of a penis cranium.

Air Hostess from I, ROBOT; soothing voice but blank stare: "We will be landing @ Rave City in 5 minutes. Please fasten your seatbelts*.

I as passenger look out window. No, I ain't seen nuffin yet!! What I do see are extremely tall, handsome generic glass buildings, an abundance of concrete overpasses, passenger craft smoothly gliding above the ground yet no street life...and all the rivers and parks look grey 'n dingy as there was no basic environmental infrastucture imposed; it was considered unecessary and unaethetically pleasing.

The hostess looks in my direction and she says in that voice "Enjoy your stay in Rave Ci-Ci-Ci-City" and with that I certainly do feel not all is perfect.


Very true LOL.

I think there would be street life... unless the place was more like 5th element and dingy at ground level. Levitating cars on shiny magnetic roads - most definitely! I'd want the ground level to be times square/42nd street with an abundance of plasma neon and hawkers - 24/7 shopping in a hopefully tropical locale.

But I do like green grass and the environment too :P where would we be without some chlorophyl. I also love water and rivers and would not be without them... we can have futuristic generic city and still save the environment.

Hemmes' bar-room brawl


By Line : Ben Wilmot Published : 05/10/2004 Clip Ref : 13513341
Publication : Australian Financial Review Section : Property Page : 55

The NSW Land and Environment Court has dismissed development company Hemmes Hermitage's appeal against Sydney City Council's deemed refusal of two development applications that involved reconstructing Palings Lane. Council, as owner of Palings Lane, withheld its consent to the applications being lodged.
lol, hope this time he just runs.
let a serious developer build a descent size scraper instead of a 4storey structure.

Hope Hemmes have learned their lesson - this prime George St site is too precious to be waisted on a freakin' low rise....Any future proposal must include the demolition of the God damned Lowes store too

4 story structure? wow, i guess those designers must be clover fans!

yep cant belive that development was any thing but some thing done in jest
Looking forward to a real preposal soon

4 story structure? wow, i guess those designers must be clover fans!

If she gets her way, we'll have a lovely new beer garden and hotel resurrected on that site.

crossing fingers for a 4 x 10 storey building...but history can repeat itself......

bad news. new dA lodged today. 4 storey club. damn

Crap what a waste
way2 spoil my xmas

When you are rich (inherited) you are prone to confuse self-indulgence with thinking. As for doing something for the society that helped make you rich: alien concept.

bad news. new dA lodged today. 4 storey club. damn

WTF? Again??? :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

bad news. new dA lodged today. 4 storey club. damn

The nightclub is back again. What a waste :bash: He doesn't realise how much $$$ he'd rake from building a tower, yet have a night club in the podium.

Have you seen this guy? He thinks it cool and clever, and his god-given right, to park for hours in a disabled spot while he "does lunch" at the latest hot spot.
How could you peasants possibly understand the workings of a brilliant mind like his, so sharp, so hip, so now?!
Honestly, what he has to put up with! The trouble with lower orders is that they just don't seem to know their place these days. So trying!

LOL, this is too funny. A 4-storey beer garden? Maybe Sharpie's Golf House can relocate to the first floor, and with any luck, an adult book store on the second.

4 levels. Fuck that for a pitiful woeful pathetic abysmal decision

new da model

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/culwulla/hemmesclub.jpg

Now, if that were on top of a 40-storey tower, I might be impressed.

LOL, what a sorry joke. Looking at that just gives me the absolute shits.

It's kinda cute. :)

LOL, what a sorry joke. Looking at that just gives me the absolute shits.

Agreed, it's still a waste of a prime site. :( When will Hemmes recognise this?

LOL, what a sorry joke. Looking at that just gives me the absolute shits.

Agreed, it's still a waste of a prime site. :( When will Hemmes recognise this?
Totally agreeing with both you of guys :puke:

anyone else think that this thread should be killed. I mean its only 4 storeys so it aint a skyscraper and it pisses me off everytime i open the thread.the only reason why we have the thread is beacuse it WAS going to be a 30storey/100 office tower.
please let me know it you want thread deleted.

LOL, yeah close it Cul, there's no point following this one.

What a let down :D Kill the thread, kill the developer too .......

Yeah, kill the thread. This has nothing to do with "skyscrapers".

WELL ITS BACK SORT OF? The site was split up in to three sites last year. hemmes bought 2 southern sections to build club on, which includes old national bank (7storey facade will now be retained).
The LOWES site at 320 Pitt st is now being developed!
the long site (20m x 60m) is northern most section. I can go up to 90m+! ill let you know when DA comes in.

lowes at left (1 storey)
http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/JLL/JLL_38/300/JLL_38_24180_14240.jpg

the site
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid60/p25f6d395276f5d92d3ebe230ee9bb020/fc530d55.jpg

the new hemmes club. Its now a whopping 30m high/5storeys because of nat bank heritage facade)
LOWES SITE AT LEFT

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/culwulla/hemmesclub.jpg

Good riddance to that hideaous "Lowes". Such an ugly suburban looking building in the heart of the CBD.

so hemmes club. will go ahead as planned ?

^ yep. its called HEMMESPHERE

Twee!! wank! wank!!

Isn't the old national bank heritage listed?

And what is going to replace the Lowes store now?

:bash:

well it wasnt and isnt really worth saving as a whole, so the 1920's facade has been saved and will be blended into club. The LOWES site DA will come in soon and it could be a tower anywhere from 20-30storeys. not sure if its office or resi?

well at least that some thing to look forward too
i really though this 5 story one was being revluated for some thing larger

trances. the site has 3 properties. 2 of them make up the 5storey club pictured below>
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/culwulla/hemmesclub.jpg

The LOWES site is next to Hemmes club which is being developed by another developer. It can go to at least 90m tall.DA will be in soon.

Aha! Found it.

I love Google.

bad news guys. the Lowes site will be a 5storey hotel.
DA will be in soon. i think i will kill this thread.

Another wasted site :bash::bleep: They just dont understand that the CBD is FULL and needs more towers!!!!!

Kill it Cul, it's too depressing to read any more.

We have an under 12 storey thread, we can follow (what little) progress of this project from there.

Another wasted site :bash::bleep: They just dont understand that the CBD is FULL and needs more towers!!!!!

Folks, Sydney City Council has effectively killed the CBD. The excessive planning rules etc have led to people being afraid to propose anything much taller than a tree.

bad news guys. the Lowes site will be a 5storey hotel.
DA will be in soon. i think i will kill this thread.

Still happy to see the Lowes pulled down!

Build the Cityone and everything will be fine on North George Street!

Don't worry about it wait a month or so and there will be a whole new development proposed for the site!

Why does it seem like every significant development site in Sydney goes through about five different proposals and takes ten years before anything actually gets built? You have a very indecisive bunch of developers up there :-)

Not too mention incompetent state government (RE Western Sydney Park) and short sighted council.

Arghh, kill it CUL.

Worst.....thread.....evah!! Well, since 33 Bligh lost it's right to build to 235m.

i think when hemmes bought the site, the site was always going to be low scale. he just wants nightclubs and small hotels.counicl wont mind. especially being 5 storeys high.

More wasted opportunity. :mad: Kill the thread!

Atleast it will improve the streetscape..... *covers head preparing for abuse*

I noticed a lot of demolition going on at the adjacent site of 340 George Street?

Is this related to the same proposal. They are almost tearing down the old heritage building. :( ..... at least I hope its the additions and not the original structure.

Anyone know of anything?

sin- the heritage facade of 340 george st is being retained (see model pic) in the hemmes club., but rest will be demo.

well new DA is in for Hemmes lowes site. Its not a bad looker.(Woods bagot) atleast it makes it being a skyscraper at 46m high. Its a retail ground floor with club/day spa 2nd/3rd levels with 5 storey hotel at rear, total 8storeys.
rooftop pool
heres a pic of model.
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9011/loweshemmes1oa.jpg
pic insitu in city model

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1228/lowes4bp.jpg

Its looks OK but its just a pity its amounted to more wasted opportunity for a highrise.

I see that there is partial demolition behind the heritage structure and that the developments spans to included that wretched "suburban" looking Lowes store.

I guess its a big improvement to what already sits there.

Is there a passage that passes thru to the lane at the rear of this proposal?

yes lane is located at rear near Angle places heritage facade.

Looks like they've started. Last Wednesday I passed the site and only a few levels of the 1920s facade to the right were left and the rest of it gutted. Hoardings were up of course, but only outside the said structure.

At least it's a Woods Bagot and they usually deliver good architecture.

It's weird. The 1920 building should have been left as is.

:bash:

It's weird. The 1920 building should have been left as is.

:bash:Yeah. It was The National Bank Of Australia and that is still visible on the part of the facade that has been left.

The hoarding has written on it "Merivale" and "Ivy" :?

Merivale is the name of the Hemmes' family business. Ivy is the name of the development.

Merivale is the name of Justin's mum, right?

the 10storey mixed use bldg will start soon ,so i thought i would bump this.anything 10storeys+ will get its own thread. i think they deserve there own, especially these days.
the LOWES part of the site has the 46m high tower and southern part of the site has the 4storey HEMMESPHERE club which is currently uc. it has the 1930's nat bank facade incorporated into design.
pic taken a while back by miliux.

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/_DSC0023.JPG

Friday

I noticed some people having a peep through the hole as they walked past .

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/P9299712.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5959/0000950by4.jpg

Passed the site yesterday with Fabian on a photographic excursion downtown and he took pics of this development to upload soon.

The scaffolding has come down on the entertainment sections fronting Geogre St, and basically the entertianment sections are in 2 sections on the side of the historic Societe Generale building ie the southern and mid-sections, whilst the 46m 8-level hotel 320 George Street (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=320georgestreet-sydney-australia) on the northern-most end on George is still covered in mesh - model of it on previous page.

The entertainment pods which they are ie "pods" would include bars and nighclubs & are being clad in (so far) in different materials.

Looking forward your pic posts Fabian :okay:

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And here they are...

In addition, Hemmes has been granted the liquor licence for the complex, as he was able to get a transfer of a licence from a pub in King St. The police aren't happy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Construction/P9211559.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Construction/P9211555.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Construction/P9211552.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Construction/P9211553.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Construction/P9211554.jpg

:okay:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Construction/P9211559.jpg
^^ :)

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Last week
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Construction/PA042438.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Construction/PA042439.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Construction/PA042440.jpg

Today

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Construction/PA112577.jpg

Has anyone actually seen a render of this?

also, how come this one gets it's own thread? good shots though!

Has anyone actually seen a render of this?

just those models from page 5 or something.

It's gone under wraps again????

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Sydney%20City/Construction/DSCF0154.jpg

Construction of the resi tower at the rear of the complex. I've noticed that they have changed the main crane as well (not the one featured in the pic).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Construction/DSCF0500.jpg

There were large signs placed on the hoardings for a staff Recruitment Day (for 8.00AM yesterday, Sat. 10 Nov.). Along with that info was:

www.myspace.com/ivycrew

If John Howard can "youtube it", why not! :lol: Very now type of marketing!

Yeah they had a big article in MX or some such paper the other day... apparently they're holding "auditions" like lame-o airlines do in order to have desperate twats make a spectacle out of themselves to see how desperate they are to get the job.

I saw them yesterday at 'the establishment' wearing all white, I think it was the audition... quite funny reading the article on new small bars then reading about this massive new venue

been meaning to ask, why is this place called hemmesphere. they already have a bar called hemmesphere above establishment.
are they closing that one down or renaming it or something?

named after the owner called "Justin Hemmes". He owns Slip Inn and Establishment.

so there will be two clubs called 'hemmesphere' both owned by the same guy on the same street?
why not i guess.

Sounds like dillusions of grandeur to me.

so there will be two clubs called 'hemmesphere' both owned by the same guy on the same street?
why not i guess.

This will be called Ivy, the recent photos on this thread shows that as well as past media reports.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22710438-5006009,00.html
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/police-oppose-ivy-plan/2007/08/18/1186857834121.html

I think Cul misread a photo showing advertising at the site for Hemmesphere Three which is a dance CD put out by Hemmes's record label (the owner of this club). He might have thought it was the name of the development, when renaming this thread last year?

the 10storey mixed use bldg will start soon ,so i thought i would bump this.anything 10storeys+ will get its own thread. i think they deserve there own, especially these days.the LOWES part of the site has the 46m high tower and southern part of the site has the 4storey HEMMESPHERE club which is currently uc. it has the 1930's nat bank facade incorporated into design. pic taken a while back by miliux.
http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/_DSC0023.JPG

These photos show the current name.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Construction/P9211559.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Construction/PA042438.jpg

As for jobs, there were 500 positions advertised. Would of made for a very difficult selection over the weekend.

Sounds like dillusions of grandeur to me.

hah thanks mate, made me laugh out loud at work, don't often get a good laugh here. people looked at me strangely.

Thanks Ipggi that makes sense now.

Scaffholding is coming down again
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Construction/DSCF1044.jpg

Damn looks old already. I'll wait till it's finished tho.

I was expecting something special with this one. Seems poorly designed and clad at the moment.

Stage 1 opens within the next two-three weeks according to the December edition of the Sydney Magazine.

Gosh, the exterior is looking rather unadventurous. Some signage will come along no doubt. We rarely get new buildings in our CBDs soley dedicated to entertainment these days, so hopefully it will be special inside. ATM We can just see big pods.

^^ I agree - looks like a suburban townhouse development.

^^ From 1972.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/IMG_1117.jpg

Thanks Joelby. Looks good. Does anyone know of the actual date that it opens????

ivy will open on tuesday

it looks good. better in real life. i just wish there was a 100m tower above it. its george st for gods sake. 4 storeys doesnt seem right

That would of made a sensational podium for a tall one.

I still dont understand the design. It looks half finished. I wish there was a render grrrrrr

Also the heritage listed NAB bank next door, seems much higher in the older pics at the beginning of the thread. Was this still kept and if so was it built on top of?

they removed some of the NAb facade. stupid. may as well just removed whole lot.

I knew this would look like shit. George St deserves better frontage...Stupid colour... :bash:

Ash St restaurant (Mad Cow) & bar will open on Wednesday...

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Its oh so wrong on many levels!

I still dont understand the design. It looks half finished. I wish there was a render grrrrrr

I did say it was being opened in stages begining with stage 1 next week (in time for party season:)).

Its oh so wrong on many levels!

It's only ten storeys...

yes, all ten of them!

it will look amazing inside
and no doubt once you've been in there, you'll be glad it got built

im the only person who actually likes this place...
i think it looks.................pretty

it will look amazing inside
and no doubt once you've been in there, you'll be glad it got built

Yesterdays Sun Herald had a picture of Hemmes inside the complex. Sydneysiders are going to love it.

They are also working around the clock to get everything ready for tomorrow's opening of stage 1.

Yesterdays Sun Herald had a picture of Hemmes inside the complex. Sydneysiders are going to love it.

They are also working around the clock to get everything ready for tomorrow's opening of stage 1.

This might be the last development of it's type in Sydney thanks to the SCC's new DCP.

the tuesday staff/friends night has been called off
wednesday open is still on track

They are lucky to be allowed to trade given the police have major concerns about the risk of anti social behaviour on George St given the massive size of the complex.