If we had to judge the best known skyscraper ( so opera house etc do not count ) what would it be and why? Which building really stands out as Australian internationally and wins your vote.

It would have to be Rialto for me... Eureka perhaps once its finished.

Amongst people like us or the general public?

For the general public I think it would be Sydney Tower. I know it's not a skyscraper, but it's probably the most famous BECAUSE its not a skyscraper, it's a unique structure that defines Sydney's CBD like the Sydney Harbour Bridge or the Opera House.

But if I had to choose a skyscraper I'd say Rialto Towers. I think another reason Sydney Tower is so famous is that people can go up it and that's why I choose Rialto. People remember it because they paid good money to go to the top of the building. The skyscrapers they look down on all just morph into a general cityscape for most people.

I agree with Oriolus, Sydney Tower and Rialto.

Sydney Tower.

If that doesn't count, then it's a tough one because I doubt hardly anyone in Sydney could identify any Melbourne scrapers by name/photo and vice versa (same for all cities in Australia). If I had to pick one I'd say Rialto.

Most famous where? World? none. Famous in Australia? probably Rialto or MLC.

Probably Rialto, Eureka or Deutsch Bank which stands out.

i get asked alot of times when im at the sydney city model where Australia square is. that was Australia's first 'well known" skyscraper beacuse of its sheer size back in 1960's.also its shape! It has revolve restaurant + ob deck. everyone knew of it.
Also i get asked about MLC.- which everyone calls Australia square.
yes Sydney tower would be the most known tall structure in Australia by far!
As for skyscraper thats a hard one. i would say Australia square tower or MLC.
I would imagine Rialto is known well in Melbourne.
As for the latest new scrapers, Q1 is becoming well known, as will Eureka. I also reckon Vision will become popular!

Rialto but then again I'm a foreigner, so maybe within Australia you consider other towers better known. In Canada they covered the Rialto opening on TV and then once when some nutter jumped off doing some ill-fated stunt. I remember he jumped and then a gust of wind slammed him hard against the tower on the way down.

Rialto, because it has been the most prominent landmark in Melbourne for 20 years and it also has a public observation deck which a large percentage of tourists to Melbourne visit.

Australia Square and MLC in Sydney are way down on the Sydney landmarks list, thus would not be as well known.

To most people Sydney is the harbour, Opera House, Harbour Bridge and Sydney Tower, the individual skyscrapers of Sydney would be less well known because they are overshadowed by these landmarks.

Sydney Tower is not a skyscraper, obviously :-)

^ not many sydney siders know of the Rialto. but many know Australia Square.
i suppose its where your from.
Before its demolishment, the Black stump or State offcie block was very well known.

Rialto for sure.
Unfortunately AUstralia doesn't have any real classic old favourites like Empire State, Chyrsler, Metlife, Wrigley, Tribune, Rockefeller et al that have ingrained themselves into the national pysche.

To be honest I don't think there are any. Outside of the world of skyscraper nutcases, if you showed images of any skyscraper in Australia to random people on the streets of any city in Asia, Europe or America very few, if not, noone would be able to correctly name the Rialto Towers, and probably Q1 and Eureka as well at the moment.

^ not many sydney siders know of the Rialto. but many know Australia Square.

True but many people form Sydney who visit Melbourne go to the Rialto observation deck.

First one that comes to mind is Australia Square in Sydney - one of the oldest and still one of the best looking. It was an icon when it was built and has the worlds largest revolving restaurant. I remember in England people would joke about Australia Square being 'round'. Nobody seemed to know any other buildings except for the obvious Sydney icons and that collective strip of the Gold Coast.

Well thats the first that springs to mind.

^ not many sydney siders know of the Rialto. but many know Australia Square.
i suppose its where your from.
Before its demolishment, the Black stump or State offcie block was very well known.

I disagree with that, most people i know (in Sydney) could easily identify a picture of Melbourne soley by spotting Rialto...even if they didnt know its name....

Rialto for sure.
Unfortunately AUstralia doesn't have any real classic old favourites like Empire State, Chyrsler, Metlife, Wrigley, Tribune, Rockefeller et al that have ingrained themselves into the national pysche.
talking old bldgs, alot of people recognize the classic AWA tower on york st.
its mast dominated sydney for 20 years.
http://www.artdecoworld.com/AWA%2004%20-%20medium%20-%2004062000.gif

its hard to say what is Australia's most famous skyscraper? you would have to ask the people. from what ive gathered over past 10-15years in town, Aussie sq would by far be the most quoted in sydney.

i think skyscraper = rialto.... but there are much more internationally recognised symbols ( mostly in sydney )

melbourne is only really just comming out onto the international scene, i doubt they will top the recognition sydney gets, :)

Q1. Majority of people dont know about skyscraper names but they know about Q1.

I think once Eureka is finished and people start seeing it in photos, on the skyline, on tv, they will recognise it as Australia's most famous scraper.
I say this because of its absolutely distinctive gold crown.

Alot of my friends & family who aren't skyscraper nuts seem to know about Q1. But then again, thats in Qld. Not sure about any others, probably have to agree with most others, Rialto.

Till now, probably Rialto, but changing gradually to Q1 I think.

I think most ppl in QLD know what Q1 is. And to the layperson it is HUGE because everything around it is so small, so it's more noticeable than Rialto in that sense, or Eureka even, height is very much relative to the lay person.

Everyone on the Gold Coast knows what Q1 is cos it's in the paper every second day, in fact everyone on the Gold Coast knows who Sohiel is and who Jim Raptis is, I guess it's very towery type of town though.

Q1 is also featuring in most of QLD's new tourism campaigns, article said might be in some upcoming films and what not so it's got quite high exposure.

If you were to ask a foreigner about Australia and what skyscraper / building they think of when they think of Australia they will say the Sydney tower, I reckon 8 times out of 10. Most of you guys are kidding yourself If you think the Sydney Tower isn't the most famous Australian tower / scraper.

^ i tota;lly agree, sydney tower is very recoginized tower, but as for skyscrapers, i agree with loche, Q1 will take the title of australia's most famous due to exposure. but also Eureka and Vision will become well known also.Australia has never had supertalls before, so this is why scrapers like Q1 & Eureka will be come household names as there such landmarks.both have ob decks which wil be popular destinations.both iconic designs. just give it a few years.

sydney tower
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3685/skywalkoct175zi.jpg
as for skyscraper what about world tower?
http://www.meritonapartments.com.au/ecms/userdata/meriton/images/world_tower_exterior_1_small.jpg

Q1
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/2594/q1a2yf.jpg

Vision
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8166/visionhuge9fj.jpg

Eureka
curtain image
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y242/cleardayout/eureka-crown.jpg

Rialto doesn't get a lot of publicity or attention around here as far as I'm concerned, quite weird for a building its height. I'd say yeah.. Sydney Tower Australia's most famous tall thing as for skyscraper.. I reckon Eureka is already quite popular and famous even still under construction.

i think this pic really makes me realise that im glad melbourne doesnt have this thing in it's skyline.

desert boot brown... uugh i cant bear to look.

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3685/skywalkoct175zi.jpg

^ not many sydney siders know of the Rialto. but many know Australia Square.
i suppose its where your from.
Before its demolishment, the Black stump or State offcie block was very well known.

Now Come on Cul ! lol !

Most people surely would know of the Rialto , even in Sydney ! :rock:

Anyway, the Rialto is the most famous building by far in Australia in my opinion. :bowtie:

Lozza

dean-its pretty similar gold as eurekas.also was a dull d ay.gold is gold.
Sydney tower has a great colour.
brighter pic

http://people.freenet.de/photomaze/lpics/sydtower.jpg

lozza- you would be suprised. i ask people whats tallest bldg in melbourne.they havent a clue?

lozza- you would be suprised. i ask people whats tallest bldg in melbourne.they havent a clue?

I can guarantee you that If you asked half the people in Brisbane what our tallest building is they'd still probably say the SGIO building let alone any other city!!!! :bash:

i think this pic really makes me realise that im glad melbourne doesnt have this thing in it's skyline.

desert boot brown... uugh i cant bear to look.

One person's 'desert boot brown' is another preson's GOLD. I guess I'm a glass half full kind of guy - Sydney Tower is a beautiful Gold to me, always has been. Last time I was down there I saw it from Taylor Square just as the early morning sun hit it - was truly an amazing and memorable site - and very GOLD!!!

^ i think dean was kidding jayt.lol
I can guarantee you that If you asked half the people in Brisbane what our tallest building is they'd still probably say the SGIO building let alone any other city!!!! :bash:
do many brisbanites know CP? did Riparian make big news up there or was it just another tall bkldg?
I think Vision will really identify with people and it wil become a well known landmark.

^ i think dean was kidding jayt.lol

do many brisbanites know CP? did Riparian make big news up there or was it just another tall bkldg?
I think Vision will really identify with people and it wil become a well known landmark.

I was probably being a bit sarcastic but It wouldn't surprise if SGIO would come up if asked.

In all seriousness if asked, alot of people would still say "Central Plaza one, oh no hang on..... what about that new one near the river again, whats it called??"

Riparian did make the news for a few days though when it surpassed CP1

^ do you think Aurora will make news? i think everyone is wanting to go up these new towers but they cant. none have observation decks. they wil have to wait a few more years until Vision is complete.


http://www.offpeakdeals.com.au/Images/Sydney_Leisure/Sydney%20Aquarium/Tower_view.jpg

^ do you think Aurora will make news? i think everyone is wanting to go up these new towers but they cant. none have observation decks. they wil have to wait a few more years until Vision is complete.
Auroras dominance is so hard to ignore when you're coming over the story Bridge into the valley, alot of people would notice it and even now know that it is going to be the tallest, well to roof anyway.

definately Santos!!

baha jk, i recun Sydney Tower or Rialto for sure

To be honest I didn't know of Rialto, nor even what it looked like before joining these forums. Sydney tower, is hard to miss. While overseas recently (inlcuding in NY) Q1 got a mention from the locals (I didn't bring it up), due to it eclipsing one of thier 'tallest' residential buildings. I think the location and shape make it stand out also.

Rialto's a tall building. But unremarkable, for Australia or the world. It's fairly timeless, which is a positive, but not landmark material.

do many brisbanites know CP? did Riparian make big news up there or was it just another tall bkldg?
I think Vision will really identify with people and it wil become a well known landmark.

Yeah, I'd say most know CP1. Riparian was kind of hard to ignore being at the end of a street, but I'd still be more people would offer CP1 as Brisbane's tallest. It's been there so long. 'the tallest' is really only something nuts like us use. The SGIO building, or the MLC (now Hitachi) building in Brisbane would probably be many times more recognised (in Brisbane), simply because they have 'look at me' items on them (Clock / Weather Beacon).

without a doubt Deutsch Bank, Sydney Tower or Q1

Rialto to me it just an average building - very little creativity
THE MOST RECOGNISED SCRAPERS WILL BE THOSE IN PHOTOS
THE TWO BIGGEST TOURIST CAPITALS IN AUSTRALIA ARE SYDNEY AND THE GOLD COAST - THEREFORE THEY WILL DEFINITELY BE THE MOST VISIBLE AND HENCE MOST FAMOUS - SIMPLE!

i have never seen a melbourne postcard or photos from tourists who have been to melbourne. – they go there to shop – not admire and take photos of the city
When people go to Sydney and Gold Coast they will almost certainly take a photo of the city!

Sydney Tower hands down.... or whatever its name is now :D

Q1 and Eureka in a few years time?

without a doubt Deutsch Bank, Sydney Tower or Q1

Rialto to me it just an average building - very little creativity
THE MOST RECOGNISED SCRAPERS WILL BE THOSE IN PHOTOS
THE TWO BIGGEST TOURIST CAPITALS IN AUSTRALIA ARE SYDNEY AND THE GOLD COAST - THEREFORE THEY WILL DEFINITELY BE THE MOST VISIBLE AND HENCE MOST FAMOUS - SIMPLE!

i have never seen a melbourne postcard or photos from tourists who have been to melbourne. – they go there to shop – not admire and take photos of the city
When people go to Sydney and Gold Coast they will almost certainly take a photo of the city!
What a stupid post!how many times have you been to Melbourne? thousands of tourists take photos of Melbourne every day and one of their favorite spots is Princes Bridge facing west that covers both Eureka and Rialto.
When Eureka is finished it will shit on Q1 for height,style and looks.
Q1 to me looks more like the majority of second rate towers that make up the GC strip all show with no style like a second rate Miami
Sounds to me zack that you suffer from the "little bro" syndrome and all your and JayT boosting of Brisbane and the banal GC is just a sign nof the massive insecurity.

Sydney Tower gets losts of tourist but has a smaller market share than the Rialto has in Melbourne. I had to research the attractions when I worked for the ATC in London. In Sydney people are more inclined to do a harbour cruise but in Melbourne they do have the desire to get above it all. It might horrifiy the Sydneysiders of the forum but skyscrapers actually rate as a Melbourne thing.

Port Phillip Bay doesn't distract people from the city to the same extent. Its like a Toorak house. The houses appearance has to matter cause you don't have the view to distract away from what your selling. Melbourne has that urban identity. People overseas generally don't go 'Oh, I'll do a harbour cruise in Melbourne and in Sydney well, I simply must see Centrepoint Mall' Sydney is all about spectacular by nature, the harbour and the beaches. It's Vancouver Down Under. Melbourne's the Montreal. I know this isn't the reality but in tourist minds its the perception that counts. If you were to look in an ATC produced tourist guide aimed at the European or American markets, Australian cities are positioned to tell you pretty much what tourist imagine. Go on a harbour cruise in one and save your Visa Card for the other.

I always asked returning friends and clients if they got to the tower (because that was my own personal favourite in Sydney. Screw Bondi. lol) I got the same excuse everytime. We didn't have time after the Opera House, The Bridge, The Rocks, the Zoo, the ferry to Manly and the ever popular .... shockingly popular Bondi Beach and my personal unfavourite Darling Harbour. Frankly I'd rather visit Redfern. Given a choice on their 3rd day most visitors in Sydney would chose Bondi Beach over the tower everytime. Australia's Wonderland is an even longer duration attraction. Only when people spend at least five or seven days in Sydney does it get included. Personally I'd put the tower at number three but for many it does get missed off, especially after the Bridge Climb started. Now with Sydney Tower's new outdoor crazy thing they've started they'll be able to increase market share again.

Going back to the 1970's I remember when Australia Square was the most popular. Loved the restuarant there and actually used to perfer that view to Sydney Tower. Unfortunately (for me anyway) I even remember when GOLDFIELDS HOUSE was prominent among Sydney's most famous towers. Ask people about it now? I don't think its gold anymore is it? Last time I saw a picture it looked very, very different.

i did a lot of "asking" yesterday at work and nearly every person i asked what was our most famous skycsraper they said Sydney tower.lol i said towers aside, and they virtually all said Australia square. but thats coming from sydney siders.
i have an idea, if you want to know what skyscraper is well known overseas, start a thread in world section, asking what skyscraper comes to mind when you think of Australia.

incidentally, alot of the public at sydney city model point at MLC and say how tall is Australia square? lol
so they know of Australia square but indentify it with MLC.
pic atkinson
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/atkinson1/Sydney/13.jpg

Most people I know in Sydney would say the same Culwulla. Among the really talls at least Australia Square is legend. I don't think the MLC Tower and possibly even Sydney Tower has quite the same following - not among Sydneysiders anyway. Tourist are size queens so they don't count!! They'll go wherever's in the brochure. They'll probably even go to Q1. I'd rather go to the beach and then later go up a tower half as tall, in Brisbane!!

Even in Melbourne among my older friends there seems an almost cult-like following for the old AMP building, even ICI has its lovers. Foreigners only get to see what tourist marketers want them to see. Residents of a place are always going to know more, and most likely more attractive buildings of merit. Taller isn't always best. On that note I'll have another drink so I'll believe it. lol

ps. My personal favourite skyscraper is the (not very tall or certainly not new) MU building on Collins Street. Take that over the new towers anyday. Its beaut. Now if they could make at MU 100 levels.

And in Sydney I like the MLC Centre. Nobody raves about it but I've always loved it. Its like Nauru on steroids. For me its does more for Sydney's skyline than the tower. Love to be able to sneak onto that roof. But as with Melbourne, many of Sydney's gems are the towers way below. The hidden skyscrapers of the past.

Good timing. I'd just mentioned the MLC. Now I know your posting might have been for Sydney Towers view but its the white beast front and centre that I always liked.

Yeah you guys are right, probably Sydney Tower right now, forgot about that one. It was even in Finding Nemo aye.

Definitely Sydney Tower, and you have to remember that the lay man doesnt differentiate between tower and skyscraper, its simply just a tall building. Rialto and Australia Square would be about on par I reckon. Q1 will become Queenslands most recognisable scraper, if it isnt already. Eureka will of course take the reigns from Rialto but I think that might take a little bit more time, but only because Rialto has been so recognisable for so long.

Nobody outside Australia knows Australia Square or Rialto. Australian skyscrapers aren't famous outside their home cities. That is a fact. I think soon, Eureka or Q1 (sigh) will be world famous...you're only world famous if you are (or claim to be) the tallest something...

Eureka will be the most famous I think once completed. But in my opinion, Australia doesn't really have any stand out's that people will recognise easily...only those landmarks such as the Sydney Opera House, Sydney Tower etc. When you show pictures of Perth to someone overseas they are always wanting to know about 'that massive building' ie Central Park.

I think it comes to individual cities, hard to determine the most well known Aussie scraper...
Sydney: MLC
Melbourne: Eureka when finished
Brisbane: Vision when finished
Perth: Central Park
Gold Coast: Q1

None.

Before i actually got interested and gathered knowledge on it i knew of none.

I think the general public are more likely to know buildings if they are so distinctive that they earn a knickname. Then people will be familiar with it because of it's quirkiness, without having to know it's proper name.

The only Brisbane skyscraper that I knew before I joined SSC was the State Law Building. Except I didn't know it as that, I knew it as "the batman building". Townsville's Holiday Inn is well known by most locals and any visitors but most call it "the sugar shaker". If they do call it by a proper name, it's just as likely to be Travelodge, or Centra as it's current title.

also depends famous to a skyscraper fan? or to joe public
if you have an intrest in skyscrapers you know certain bldgs.
i wonder if Evolution in Darwin will be famous to local Darwinese?
everyone in tassie knows of Wrest point.

I think the general public are more likely to know buildings if they are so distinctive that they earn a knickname. Then people will be familiar with it because of it's quirkiness, without having to know it's proper name.

The only Brisbane skyscraper that I knew before I joined SSC was the State Law Building. Except I didn't know it as that, I knew it as "the batman building". Townsville's Holiday Inn is well known by most locals and any visitors but most call it "the sugar shaker". If they do call it by a proper name, it's just as likely to be Travelodge, or Centra as it's current title.


Your right - though most people incuding myself refer to it as 'gotham city'. Its probaby the most known building in Brisbane because of its distinctive top.

Domestic travellers 'shun Melbourne'
From: AAP
October 12, 2005

THE number of Australians who choose to holiday in Melbourne has slumped 25 per cent in five years, says the Victorian Opposition.

Liberal tourism spokesman Martin Dixon today pointed to latest Tourism Research Australia figures which show the city's decline in domestic tourism from 1999 to 2004.
Visitors to Victoria's regional areas also fell by 10 per cent over the period.

"While the number of international visitors to Victoria increased over the same period, it is clear the good marketing done overseas is not being replicated within Australia," Mr Dixon said today.

He said the introduction of low cost airfares, recent jumps in fuel prices and better marketing campaigns by rival Australian states had contributed to the decline.

"For the sake of Victoria and the tourism industry, the Bracks Government needs to sharpen its marketing campaigns and reconsider its current funding arrangements," Mr Dixon said.

"It is simply unacceptable that domestic tourism in Victoria is deteriorating."

Hence why i believe that the most famous skyscraper in the minds of ordinary Australians will be in Sydney or Gold Coast

This is why i believe that the most famous skyscarper in the minds of ordinary Australians will be in Sydney or Gold Coast

^What a surprise. Something negative about Melbourne from you.

This is why i believe that the most famous skyscarper in the minds of ordinary Australians will be in Sydney or Gold Coast
i agrre, but not in sydney. I believe Q1 will be most popular in years to come!
i reckon japanese tourists stop over in GC will include a lev78 ticket up Q1 for sure!

Exactly – I’m not being negative towards Melbourne! Melbourne has a relatively small tourism market compared to Sydney or the Gold Coast - when people visit Melbourne they go there to shop or walk around the little streets - when people go to the gold coast - they walk along the beach and take photos of the skyline - when people go to Sydney they admire the city from the harbour and surrounding suburbs

because Melbourne is relatively flat there are few places u can take a photo and admire a view of the entire city!

Domestic travellers 'shun Melbourne'
From: AAP
October 12, 2005

THE number of Australians who choose to holiday in Melbourne has slumped 25 per cent in five years, says the Victorian Opposition.

Liberal tourism spokesman Martin Dixon today pointed to latest Tourism Research Australia figures which show the city's decline in domestic tourism from 1999 to 2004.
Visitors to Victoria's regional areas also fell by 10 per cent over the period.

"While the number of international visitors to Victoria increased over the same period, it is clear the good marketing done overseas is not being replicated within Australia," Mr Dixon said today.

He said the introduction of low cost airfares, recent jumps in fuel prices and better marketing campaigns by rival Australian states had contributed to the decline.

"For the sake of Victoria and the tourism industry, the Bracks Government needs to sharpen its marketing campaigns and reconsider its current funding arrangements," Mr Dixon said.

"It is simply unacceptable that domestic tourism in Victoria is deteriorating."

Hence why i believe that the most famous skyscraper in the minds of ordinary Australians will be in Sydney or Gold Coast

More negativity, you seem to fish for it.....

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according to Tourism Research Australia

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Exactly – I’m not being negative towards Melbourne! Melbourne has a relatively small tourism market compared to Sydney or the Gold Coast - when people visit Melbourne they go there to shop or walk around the little streets - when people go to the gold coast - they walk along the beach and take photos of the skyline - when people go to Sydney they admire the city from the harbour and surrounding suburbs

because Melbourne is relatively flat there are few places u can take a photo and admire a view of the entire city!

http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/24446/yarrariver.jpg

http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/3271/imgp0432_proc_800.jpg

Hey on the news lately with the people that have been arrested as terrorist threats, they have been saying that the target in Melbourne was an office building on a particular st (cant remember which) and they showed a pic centred on Rialto. Can anyone confirm they are talking about Rialto, cos I though it was strange that they didnt give the name of the building, but if it was Rialto they were talking about then why not use the name?

Hey on the news lately with the people that have been arrested as terrorist threats, they have been saying that the target in Melbourne was an office building on a particular st (cant remember which) and they showed a pic centred on Rialto. Can anyone confirm they are talking about Rialto, cos I though it was strange that they didnt give the name of the building, but if it was Rialto they were talking about then why not use the name?There's nothing like a terrorist attack to increase recognition of a skyscraper. The twin towers have posthumously become the most famous skyscrapers in the world.

If Eureka is externally complete in time for the Commonwealth Games I reckon it'll get a lot of exposure. I mean how many times did you see the Parthenon during the Olympic Games.

Hey on the news lately with the people that have been arrested as terrorist threats, they have been saying that the target in Melbourne was an office building on a particular st (cant remember which) and they showed a pic centred on Rialto. Can anyone confirm they are talking about Rialto, cos I though it was strange that they didnt give the name of the building, but if it was Rialto they were talking about then why not use the name?
it was caseldon place. it has gov depts , trade,immigration ect.

Domestic travellers 'shun Melbourne'
From: AAP
October 12, 2005

THE number of Australians who choose to holiday in Melbourne has slumped 25 per cent in five years, says the Victorian Opposition.

Liberal tourism spokesman Martin Dixon today pointed to latest Tourism Research Australia figures which show the city's decline in domestic tourism from 1999 to 2004.
Visitors to Victoria's regional areas also fell by 10 per cent over the period.

"While the number of international visitors to Victoria increased over the same period, it is clear the good marketing done overseas is not being replicated within Australia," Mr Dixon said today.

He said the introduction of low cost airfares, recent jumps in fuel prices and better marketing campaigns by rival Australian states had contributed to the decline.

"For the sake of Victoria and the tourism industry, the Bracks Government needs to sharpen its marketing campaigns and reconsider its current funding arrangements," Mr Dixon said.

"It is simply unacceptable that domestic tourism in Victoria is deteriorating."

Hence why i believe that the most famous skyscraper in the minds of ordinary Australians will be in Sydney or Gold Coast

.....Funny sounds like a beat up to me, especially when i came across this article...

The Bracks Government has supported regional tourism with significant investments in infrastructure to help unlock the tourism potential in regional and rural communities.

The previous Liberal National Government's city-centric policies failed to recognise the importance of regional Victoria in attracting the tourism dollar and new jobs.

Today, more regional events are state funded than ever before - with 53% of events in regional areas, compared to just 32% under the Liberal National Government.

We have delivered by:

* Increasing international flights to Melbourne achieving a record number of international visitors to Victoria for the nine months to March this year. Figures showed that the number of people visiting Victoria had jumped by 15 per cent in just two years, comparable to just 3 per cent for the rest of Australia. Victoria also overtook Queensland as the second most visited State for the first time ever.
* Broadening Victoria's major events to include non-sporting events such as fashion and the arts and to close gaps in the calendar to give year round activity. These events provide an economic impact to Victoria of $800 million, the equivalent of holding an Olympic Games each year;
* Realising the benefit of marketing Victoria's tourism potential to Victorians, who are travelling more at home;
* Celebrating Victoria's multicultural heritage through tourism that is rich in cultural experiences;
* Expanding tourism infrastructure in regional communities;
* Rebuilding the Royal Melbourne Showgrounds as a modern venue for major events with a $100 million redevelopment; and
* Committing to upgrade Puffing Billy, Victoria's Zoos, the Melbourne Cricket Ground and other cultural attractions.

http://www.vic.alp.org.au/policy/tourism.html

...now back to the topic....(sorry, had to take out the trash) I think that the average joe would not know about scrapers....how ever i think that sydney tower will always be the most recognisable!

because Melbourne is relatively flat there are few places u can take a photo and admire a view of the entire city!

Which is why lots of people visit the Rialto Tower Observation Deck when they are here you idiot!

because Melbourne is relatively flat there are few places u can take a photo and admire a view of the entire city!

To let you know, it isn't flat... the western suburbs are, because thats a volcanic plain... But there are many hills, they may not be tall or steep but they do have great views, expecially around kew/hawthorn and camberwell.

I'd have to say none, skylines it would be sydney because it is spammed everywhere as australia, but not one building, Q1 and Eureka, but i think Eureka will prevail because it's unique shape.

TOWNSVILLE'S suger shaker would be in the top 5 most recognized highrise buildings in Australia - certainly within this country. Its quite old and has a very distinctive top - its also been Townsvilles tallest since it was built and is an icon of North Queensland.
http://www.seao2.com/urbandevelopment/sugar_shaker.jpg
^^
As far as being a distinctive icon I'd put it in front of ANY building in BRISBANE.

because Melbourne is relatively flat there are few places u can take a photo and admire a view of the entire city!

Eastern/North Eastern areas are not flat, and the CBD it's self has many slopes and hills...

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/0427/102750427al1131001854.jpg

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/7267/102597267al1127831217.jpg

Melbourne's North Western Suburbs are also hilly- Strathmore, Essendon, Keilor, Niddrie, Avondale Heights, Maribrynong...

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/7802/102737802cl1131332743.jpg

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/2729/102742729cl1129529376.jpg

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Mic - he was probably comparing it with Brisbane, if you do that then Melbourne is flat.

Brisbane has hills an slopes that would make Scandinavian road building engineers screem with terror.

Generally Eureka's biggest problem is that "officially" it won't be the tallest residential or the tallest building in Australia / Southern Hemisphere.

Q1 will get that big and very important "Number 1" exposure because it holds the record (architectural height).
However, they will probably be evenly matched because Eureka holds practically every other record by a big margin and its located in a world city getting more exposure.
Also on the local front, the observation decks will show how Q1's spire steals the show rather than have actual floors (some people might still not care about this however :) ) but most people will see Eureka's larger scale for what it is.

Still we all know what happened to Sears Tower, it kinda got demoted because of an architectural spire.
This has already happened to Eureka IMO and I'm talking from the laypersons view here (Melbourne residents excluded of course).

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/7802/102737802cl1131332743.jpg


Man thats a great shot

Since when did Victoria take over QLD as second biggest tourism state - LOL!!!! as if!

In Sydney, everyone knows Blue Point Tower...

Generally Eureka's biggest problem is that "officially" it won't be the tallest residential or the tallest building in Australia / Southern Hemisphere.

Q1 will get that big and very important "Number 1" exposure because it holds the record (architectural height).
However, they will probably be evenly matched because Eureka holds practically every other record by a big margin and its located in a world city getting more exposure.
Also on the local front, the observation decks will show how Q1's spire steals the show rather than have actual floors (some people might still not care about this however :) ) but most people will see Eureka's larger scale for what it is.

Still we all know what happened to Sears Tower, it kinda got demoted because of an architectural spire.
This has already happened to Eureka IMO and I'm talking from the laypersons view here (Melbourne residents excluded of course).
i think the timing of Q1 was the big thing. Its now completed and everyone wants to know about it.maybe if Eureka wasnt a year behind it might have got more of limelight.anyway come next year it will be on show for all to see at com games ect, pity ob deck wont be open, but rialtos will be suffice.
i dont think general public really cares which is higher. they both look like there the tallest bldg in there city and thats what counts.

ABS statistics prove that when talking about domestic tourism – around 60% (compared to 7% QLD) of tourism in Victoria comes from Victoria is self! SLACK – and very slack the Victorian government uses this as their basis to suggest that Victoria has a larger tourism market than Queensland
Also recent statistics point to 2.1 international tourists to QLD and 1.22 for Victoria
22% of tourist nights in QLD compared to 19% Victoria and 37% in NSW

www.tq.com.au/tq_com/dms/ DE2A54FDBC6CC8F5820891D3BD83DB74.pdf

In the year ending June 2005, domestic overnight visitors to Queensland totalled 17.1 million and domestic day visitors totalled 30.6 million. (National Visitor Survey, June 2005)
In the year ending June 2005, international visitors to Queensland totalled 2.1 million. (International Visitor Survey, June 2005)
http://www.dpc.vic.gov.au/domino/Web_Notes/newmedia.nsf/0/274609a0782170b9ca256e65007dee0f?OpenDocument[/url]

In the year ended June 2005, 28.8 million international visitor nights were spent in Queensland, 22% of the total international visitor nights spent in Australia. New South Wales hosted the highest proportion of visitor nights spent in Australia (37%), while Victoria hosted 19%.
International Visitor Survey, June 2005

New South Wales was the most popular destination in 2003, accounting for almost a third of all visitor nights (30%). Queensland was the next most popular destination, with over a quarter of all visitor nights (27%)

Intrastate visits accounted for 54% of domestic tourism visitor nights in 2003. Intrastate visits were particularly important in New South Wales and Victoria. In these states 61% and 59% respectively of domestic visitor nights spent in the state were by residents of the state (table 21.19). - OH is this the reason why we have inflated victorian statistics?

In terms of numbers of visitor nights, net beneficiaries from domestic tourism (i.e. where inbound interstate visitor nights are greater than outbound interstate visitor nights) in 2003 were Queensland, Western Australia, Tasmania and Northern Territory. Queensland benefited most from tourism in relative terms, with over twice as many inbound visitor nights as outbound visitor nights.

However, they will probably be evenly matched because Eureka holds practically every other record by a big margin and its located in a world city getting more exposure.


Sorry, but I have to ask.....when did Melbourne become a world city?

that was 2.1 and 1.2 million for QLD and Victoria
nearly 1 million extra people from overseas visting QLD than Victoria!!
and with more interstate vistors (78 000,000 visting nights in QLD) compared to 54,000,000 in victoria and 88,000,000 in NSW - i think QLD wins easily!

And one last statement - i like those pictures of melbourne - but the point is do tourists go there and take photos of the city?? i doubt it - that was my argument - it is hard to take an entire photo of melbourne in a place frequented by tourists!

hence with lower numbers of tourists and no where to take any photos - i think sydney or the gold coast will win this battle

but melbourne people will never accept this as a matter of principal

^^
What a hater....no one from Melbourne dislikes Sydney of Gold Coast, but we demand respect, because we deserve respect and regognition..we have come a long way...and that is something you continually deny.

^^^ ^^^
i feel like giving up on this discussion - im trying to state fact and all i get is emotion from victorian members

In your eyes anyone is a hater of melbourne if they suggest the city isnt the leader in a particular field

Well it's certainly not a world city!

Can we go back to the topic please? The last thing i wanna read is another city vs city conflict.

Good point Milux...sorry have to confess I was attempting to bait people. To be honest though, I don't think Australia really has a famous skyscraper internationally. I don't really think you could put Centerpoint in a shot of it's own and say to people in Europe or the US "ok which tower is that and where is it?" Especially when they are other towers that are not to dissimilar, such as the Space Neddle in Seattle, the Sky Tower in Auckland, etc (CN tower in Toronto is recognized as it's in a league of it's own when it come to those sorts of towers).
In Australia there's nothing that has really captured the imagination of people internationally such as the Chrysler or Empire State buildings, or the WTC when they were around, or even the distinctiveness of the Pertonas towers in KL. The Opera House, and Harbor Bridge yes, but not any of the buildings that make up Sydney CBD itself.

The most recognizeable building to Australians I think are:
Sydney
Centerpoint
MLC
Australia Square

Melbourne
Rialto
Australia Place (ANZ Towers)
101 Collins

Brisbane
The Comalco Center (always stuck in my head for some reason, probably because of it's location on the river)

Perth
Bankwest
Central Park

Hobart
Wrest Point

Townsville
That sugar shaker building that was previously mentioned. Never knew the name, but always knew that was in Townsville when I growing up in Perth.

Eureka and probably Q1 will probably join that list.

I think most people would recognise 101 & 120 Collins together as being those skyscrapers in Melbourne with the funny spires but couldn't tell you what they were called :-)

it is hard to take an entire photo of melbourne in a place frequented by tourists!

You have got no idea what you are talking about:

http://web.aanet.com.au/nmharrison/14-10-2005/shrine%20panorama%20forum.jpg

http://southboundaustralia.com.au/userimages/Melbourne%20Skyline.jpg

Top finds Grollo :okay:

^^^ ^^^
i feel like giving up on this discussion - im trying to state fact and all i get is emotion from victorian members

In your eyes anyone is a hater of melbourne if they suggest the city isnt the leader in a particular field

You are a hater because you seem to seek out any negative article on Victoria and Melbourne, tweek the article to your advantage then lay down what you believe is the truth, yet you have a complete disregard for what the people who actually live in the city are telling you.

I agree wholeheartedly that Melbourne is clearly NOT a tourist city...no one is denying that, but to make sweeping statements that there is few places in Melbourne where tourists frequent that can encompass a photo of Melbourne is utter bullshit....

For once accept what people in Melbourne know about their city...

I will stop my rant there.....back to topic

can i ask where these photos are taken - and ill check if its a place frequented by tourists?

Zach24 get that chip off your shoulder. Don't you guys get tired of this?

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First one is taken from the Shrine of Rememberance

http://www.melbournephotos.net/pics/2004-10-16%20Melbourne%20-%20Night%20skyline%20from%20the%20Shrine/IMG_1369.jpg

The second one is taken along the Crown Promenade, that is frequented by heaps of tourists...the casino is very different to others in Aus as it is an entire entertainment centre/shopping centre/casino/hotel/clubland etc..and many tourists flock to the promenade to see the flames in front of the casino.

http://www.cardsquad.com/images/2005/08/crown_casino_melbourne.jpg

can i ask where these photos are taken - and ill check if its a place frequented by tourists?

Its called the shrine of rememberance and YES tourists do go there, Its probably one of the biggest tourist attractions in Melbourne.

One thing you have to remember about comparing Brisbane and Melbourne on this forum, many of the Melburnians have pre-concieved ideas about Brisbane and you won't change their minds no matter how many facts you present. Many have never been outside Melbourne and have based much of their ideas on what they believe is true from friends and rellies.

Also things are different down there - very different. Perceptions change according to what locals experience every day, much of their experience is based on what they know of Melbourne and you can't change that. For instance - what is flat to us may seem very hilly to them.

They will just bury their heads in the sand if you try to change their opinions or ideas - get over it and move on!!!

Back to the subject.

Now a proper reply.

For Australia i would say Centrepoint. It is so because it's in Sydney and Sydney in by far the most popular city in Australia. The fact is that scrapers don't capture the public's attention anymore- like they did in the roaring 20's, 30's and the 70's. If you asked anyone around the world, they would be able to point out a couple: ESB, Chrysler, Burj Arab, PT, The UN maybe the Sears and Joan Hancock. Swiss Re is getting there as it serves as the postcard of London's skyline. In truth it isn't a bad thing that Australia isn't caputured by a single entity. We have a very unique and diverse beauty and as such things like Uluru, Kangaroo's and SOH will forever surpass any building's representation of Australia. The fact that every month a new WTB is announced has only made matters worse for scrapers. Height doesn't amaze like it once did and has been cheapened. It's telling to see a 200ft SOH or 1930's scraper like the Chrylser get 100x more attention then say Taipei 101 (which i might add most wouldn't even know is now the world's tallest). Design is were it counts, and even more so nowadays. Having said all that i would probably say Q1 will become Oz's famous scraper because it sticks out like a sore thumb at the GC; surrounded by short towers it looks 400m tall. Also it's 'official' world's tallest will command the exposure. Most importantly it's it's setting that will make it memorable- right on the shore. This is what makes buildings famous; simple and defining features and locations. Tourists would not forget it and postcards will make sure that their friends back home wont either.

Its called the shrine of rememberance and YES tourists do go there, Its probably one of the biggest tourist attractions in Melbourne.

One thing you have to remember about comparing Brisbane and Melbourne on this forum, many of the Melburnians have pre-concieved ideas about Brisbane and you won't change their minds no matter how many facts you present. Many have never been outside Melbourne and have based much of their ideas on what they believe is true from friends and rellies.

Also things are different down there - very different. Perceptions change according to what locals experience every day, much of their experience is based on what they know of Melbourne and you can't change that. For instance - what is flat to us may seem very hilly to them.

They will just bury their heads in the sand if you try to change their opinions or ideas - get over it and move on!!!

Back to the subject.

OMG....Honestly I have travelled to Europe, NA, Mexico, Argentina...Brisbane 3 times, Sydney over 9 times, Gold Coast twice, Adelaide, FNQLD..I have done the majority of Victoria...I am sick of generalised statements.

Flat...Come on. Eastern Suburban Melbourne is by no means flat or gently sloping, nor are the Dandenongs...get real here people..

Get real JayT nobody said anything negative about Queensland in this thread.

Zach, as usual, started going on about his preconcieved notions about Melbourne that nobody comes here to admire the city or take photos and that a Melbourne building couldn't possibly be the most famous in Australia because we are a tourist backwater.

Yeah that's right JayT and zach...we're a different species down here. Sorry to bother you civilised folk.

One thing you have to remember about comparing Brisbane and Melbourne on this forum, many of the Melburnians have pre-concieved ideas about Brisbane and you won't change their minds no matter how many facts you present. Many have never been outside Melbourne and have based much of their ideas on what they believe is true from friends and rellies.

Also things are different down there - very different. Perceptions change according to what locals experience every day, much of their experience is based on what they know of Melbourne and you can't change that. For instance - what is flat to us may seem very hilly to them.



i am 20 years old live in melbourne and i have been to (off the top of my head):

Brisbane
Sydney
Adelaide
Paris
Singapore
London
Madrid
Rome
Barcelona
Lisbon
Milan
and many more...

all in the last 2 years... i have no "pre concieved" ideas about brisbane, i like every city in that list, a lot.... people here are very protective of melbourne because it is easily one of the best cities in the world, brisbane is a fine city IMO, but many prefer the melbourne lifestyle, and thats fine too...

May i suggest a new sub forum
"Lets just fight place vs Place instead of talking about the actual topic or anything realted to buildings".

^^
It isnt really Place vs Place, it's more comment vs comment

i think we should diffuse the argument instead of repressing it, otherwise it will never go away. :)

And one last statement - i like those pictures of melbourne - but the point is do tourists go there and take photos of the city?? i doubt it - that was my argument - it is hard to take an entire photo of melbourne in a place frequented by tourists!

hence with lower numbers of tourists and no where to take any photos - i think sydney or the gold coast will win this battle

but melbourne people will never accept this as a matter of principal

Googlefight (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=photos+of+%22melbourne%22&word2=photos+of+%22gold+coast%22) solves all.
There are 5.26 million responses for 'photos of "melbourne" ' and 1.92 million for 'photos of "gold coast" ' on google.

^^^ hahahahaha owned! :)

wow, photos of sydney= 9.6mil.http://www.tvdance.com/chrisfarley/images/2a.gif

Yep, Sydney is way out ahead.

Sorry, but I have to ask.....when did Melbourne become a world city?

Personally you don't even have to ask that question..however you sound like someone who has a perspective.

Melbourne is in the top teir of Gamma World Cities as determined by the Globalization and World Cities Study Group & Network (GaWC).

Gamma world cities include Amsterdam, Boston, Caracas, Dallas, Dusseldorf, Geneva, Houston, Jakarta, Johannesburg, Melbourne, Osaka, Prague, Santiago, Taipei, Washington DC.

I'm sure you've heard of the above cities in a big way.

Look here for enlightenment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city

Ergo Eureka will get more exposure.

"photos of" "Melbourne" = 1.87 million
"photos of" "Sydney" = 1.93 million
"photos of" "Brisbane" = 915,000
"photos of" "Gold Coast" = 476,000
"photos of" "South East Queensland" = 915 heheheh

and remember there are a few gold coasts around the world :-)

It is impossible to do a google fight between Eureka and Q1 because Q1 has so many other meanings (first quarter, seat number Q1, Question 1....).

Since when did Victoria take over QLD as second biggest tourism state - LOL!!!! as if!


Zach , you are a sad, sad little boy, with a little mind. I am not going to debate with you, or your little arguments,or your little anti-melbourne propaganda after this, 'cause to be frank - it's like dealing with a sulky 10 year school boy who's got a chip on his shoulder cause he doesn't cut it with the big kids ... however the stats you refer to are visitor nights, not actual people......besides, tourism doesn't include people going to melbourne for business.....but yes zach, melbourne does have tourists...especially when you consider melbourne has one of the biggest international event calenders in the world!!! No-one is denying zach that melbourne isn't a tourist city....do you wanna hear that again....MELBOURNE IS NOT A TOURIST CITY!! just repeat that to yourself at night if you need comforting before you go to sleep!

....maybe you should go and see someone about your inferiority complex you have with melbourne

......apologies to everyone else who contributes relevant information to the thread topic......

You could try "Eureka Tower" vs "Q1 Tower"

I thought of that but Q1 is usually called just Q1 so that would be a bit unfair.

"photos of" "Melbourne" = 1.87 million
"photos of" "Sydney" = 1.93 million
"photos of" "Brisbane" = 915,000
"photos of" "Gold Coast" = 476,000
"photos of" "South East Queensland" = 915 heheheh

and remember there are a few gold coasts around the world :-)
"photos of" "Sydney" = 2,100,000
"photos of" "Melbourne" = 1,880,000

"photos of Sydney" = 13,800
"photos of Melbourne" = 854
:o

Yeah, googlefight is not exactly scientific, just cahnging one word or letter can change the result completely.

"Sydney photos" = 62,500
"melbourne photos" = 54,800

http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/8606/sydneytowerjuly2820059dh.jpghttp://www.tvdance.com/chrisfarley/images/2a.gif

melbourne is going to look fantastic after the docklands are finished ;)

^ again what does it have to do with the topic?
The forums have become a joke!

I always thought Grand Mariner deserved more recognition, everyone here knows it, even if not by name. It's obviously desperate for attention, sublimating its insecurity over gender identity confusion through a garishly effeminate colour scheme.

http://www.burchillpartners.com.au/b-grand.jpg

ok I stated my opinion
I believe the most important skyscraper will be in cities that are most visited by tourists - Sydney and Gold Cost
Do we know the second biggest city of Britain, France, Germany, Argentina, Italy or Greece? Clearly not – Australia is a small country – therefore our leading city (Sydney) will be the only recognizable city! Lets get over this jealousy
I know it may be unfair and our Melbourne formers may unhappy about this outcome – but we all know that Sydney will always have the most recognizable skyline!
Believe me I wish it was Brisbane!
But its not!!!

Hey cul - in that pic u showed of sydney tower - what exactly is located on each level?

ok I stated my opinion
I believe the most important skyscraper will be in cities that are most visited by tourists - Sydney and Gold Cost
Do we know the second biggest city of Britain, France, Germany, Argentina, Italy or Greece? Clearly not – Australia is a small country – therefore our leading city (Sydney) will be the only recognizable city! Lets get over this jealousy
I know it may be unfair and our Melbourne formers may unhappy about this outcome – but we all know that Sydney will always have the most recognizable skyline!
Believe me I wish it was Brisbane!
But its not!!!


What has this got to do with where scrapers are built. They are built where they are in demand. Sydney is always going to have more commercial towers than the rest of Australia put together. Sydney will not build above 230 m so it is hard for them to build a high 300 m + building. Brisbane is gaining some momentum with Vision but needs more. GC has Q1 with Soul on the horizon. Melbourne has Rialto and Eureka. Rialto is the most famous in Australia, probably because it held the title of world tallest office building in the southern hemisphere (not sure if it still does). I work at Melbourne airport and have been asking customers and Rialto along with Sydney tower constantly come up as the most known in Australia an for ome reason alot of the say Uluru as well although that isn't a scraper it is still taller than any we have built in oz.
When I started this thread I did say skyscraper so Sydney tower dosn't count.

ok I stated my opinion
I believe the most important skyscraper will be in cities that are most visited by tourists - Sydney and Gold Cost
Do we know the second biggest city of Britain, France, Germany, Argentina, Italy or Greece? Clearly not – Australia is a small country – therefore our leading city (Sydney) will be the only recognizable city! Lets get over this jealousy
I know it may be unfair and our Melbourne formers may unhappy about this outcome – but we all know that Sydney will always have the most recognizable skyline!
Believe me I wish it was Brisbane!
But its not!!!

What you fail to realise with comparisons with other countries is that their second city is far far smaller than their first city. Melbourne on the other hand is in the same size category as Sydney, a mid-sized city. 4.3 Million to 3.8 Million really isnt all that huge of a difference.

Therefore I compare nations that have similar population structures where their largest city is preceeded by a comparably large city...

Italy- Rome and Milan
USA- Chicago, NYC, Los Angeles
Canada- Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal
Spain- Barcelona, Madrid
etc....

I assume Melbourne is not well known, but at the same token it is unlike Manchester in the sense that we are so much smaller than the largest city.

^ yes i agree, but the general public cant decifer between a tower and skyscraper. ive also asked people recently whats the tallest skyscraper in sydney and they say sydney tower. to them its a big structure ontop of a big bldg with a big bldg at the top.lol
anyway
-kwigibo- yeah shes a beauty. when it was completed the newspaper statement said it was tallest resi bldg in southern hemisohere! it was 139m high. this was way back in 1992. I contacted them and said that a 44st apartment tower was completed year before (1991) and rises to 142m which was the Quaywest in sydney. they were pissed.lol
zach- the top of sydney tower has 9 levels. the first 4 have restaurants,ob deck ect. in the gold turret ther are telecommunication rooms ect.

I agree with cul on the fact that people generally don't know skyscrapers... they generally identify iconic structures.....

.....even sydney tower has alot of competition to stand out amongst the crowd having to compete with some of the most iconic structures in the world.......SOH and the harbour Bridge....let alone a skyscraper!

yeah i could only imagine how famous sydney tower would of been if it was a skyscraper built back in 81 .it would of had to have had a ob deck and a symbolic shape to make it famous. if you cant go up these tallies, they definatly dont "become" famous due to it not being a destination for tourists.

Oh by the way in the World Forums construction updates we have:

MELBOURNE: Eureka Tower (297m) Views: 31,444
GOLD COAST: Q1 TOWER: 78st/322m (Australia) Views: 24,282

Q1 caught up quite a bit when the spire went up almost level pegging,
now Eureka is starting to surge ahead with construction of the crown.

Eureka's crown will be very defining just like Sydney Tower statement on Sydney's skyline.

Not that this really has any meaning in the real world but out of interest, you can't go on those types of stats, Eureka has been under construction for nearly a year before Q1 and will be 8 months or so after, of course it will have more hits.

And the Eureka thread is one of the biggest, if not the biggest on this site, does that mean it is the most popular building in the world?

Safe to say they are both popular buildings.

^^^ after seeing q1 in the flesh a couple of weeks ago, that is one f*cken awesome building.......looks amazing from the beach!

Not that this really has any meaning in the real world but out of interest, you can't go on those types of stats, Eureka has been under construction for nearly a year before Q1 and will be 8 months or so after, of course it will have more hits.

If you look at the date those threads were started the Q1 thread is actually older. Both threads were started march/april(Q1/Eureka) of this year.

They had to start archieving the big threads in little sections as evertime ssc was hacked the hackers would go through and delete the biggest threads. We lost the World tower and Eureka thread once. :(

^ yeah i remember loosing those threads. i couldnt believe it. goes to show how delicate these forums are.
about length of Eurekas construction, i told a guy at work the other day about how its topped out now and cladding is 90% done and he said "is that bldg still uc?". he remembers when it started way back in 2001. but i told him well it is an all-concrete structure with 91 levels.Never been done before.
I told him its running a year behind and looks like finishing march 2006, with the planned mast erected before xmas 2006.

Not that this really has any meaning in the real world but out of interest, you can't go on those types of stats, Eureka has been under construction for nearly a year before Q1 and will be 8 months or so after, of course it will have more hits.

And the Eureka thread is one of the biggest, if not the biggest on this site, does that mean it is the most popular building in the world?

Safe to say they are both popular buildings.

And safe to say that this is the real world too Locke. You don't imagine popularity.

Eureka creates a lot of interest because there's no other building in the world that looks like it, very unique.

Safe to say that they are popular buildings, but one will dominate the other, as we will see in the coming months and years and the evidence is mounting as to which one it is :)

Yeah but if you take into account how many Melburnian forumers there are vs Gold Coast, and the gigantic level of interest the Melb forumers show in the Eureka thread, then I think this naturally spills over into boosting the numbers of the international threads. Quite simply based on the number of photos taken of Eureka owing to it been in a big city equates to more posts.

So again, I think those stats are skewed, not that I care if Eureka has more, it's trivial but I'm just saying as a basis for comparison it is not very reliable, too many variables.

And safe to say that this is the real world too Locke. You don't imagine popularity.

Eureka creates a lot of interest because there's no other building in the world that looks like it, very unique.

Safe to say that they are popular buildings, but one will dominate the other, as we will see in the coming months and years and the evidence is mounting as to which one it is :)
yes indeed, Eureka is very unique, but also Q1 has a unique design! no other tower like it! its slender oval shape facade with fin summit and front spire.beautiful actually. both Eureka &mighty Q are amazing designs for Australia. both the tallest apartment towers in the world!

yes indeed, Eureka is very unique, but also Q1 has a unique design! no other tower like it! its slender oval shape facade with fin summit and front spire.beautiful actually.

Ummm, that's a good description of Aurora Tower in Sydney, plus there are many towers that are not exactly the same but have a similar design. Eureka really is unique.

Yeah but if you take into account how many Melburnian forumers there are vs Gold Coast, and the gigantic level of interest the Melb forumers show in the Eureka thread, then I think this naturally spills over into boosting the numbers of the international threads. Quite simply based on the number of photos taken of Eureka owing to it been in a big city equates to more posts.

So again, I think those stats are skewed, not that I care if Eureka has more, it's trivial but I'm just saying as a basis for comparison it is not very reliable, too many variables.

Thats right bigger city means bigger interest and more kudos.

Its not a trivial comparision because its real interest from real people.

Its not skewed because if Victorians were frequenting the world forum as much as you say, the thread number would be into double digits by now.
Thats what the main local E thread is for. It provides the most up to date information for "locals" to read and post about.
Its actually difficult to get local Victorians to post and update the world forum thread at all let alone have them read it and people like Muse (a non vic) does a great job at that.

The world forum is for those who don't want to browse through lots of local forums to receive an update on their favourite building and therefore frequented mostly by non-locals ie a global audience. So the total views are a good indicator of a building's interest level and popularity from a world perspective since the demographic is exactly that.

So the basis of comparison is actually quite good.

What is really going on here is that the king of the hill is nearing completion and some are getting nervous that their time in the sun may come to and end.
And instead of a crown meekly "fading" into the sky, a grand golden statement 1000 feet high is about to unfold into the sky like no other building ever has before.
This basic element in itself, regardles of its superlative design will make E unique, instantly recognisable and very famous.

Nah, I don't buy it, you see Melb in those city v city threads? They are the longest on the site. If someone were zany enough to count the number of photos of Eureka and the number of posts by Melburnians and do the same for the Q1 thread they would not be equal, and hence it is not representative.

Beside, even if E is famous, Q1 is 'infamous', and if you saw the three amigos you'd know that that is better:P

Ummm, that's a good description of Aurora Tower in Sydney, plus there are many towers that are not exactly the same but have a similar design. Eureka really is unique.
lol, Aurora place in sydney does have some similar aspects but really nothing like Q1. Aurora is a very long oval shape and only has 1 fin.
i still think Q1 is a superior design. ive seen many new towers planned recently that are mimicing its design.
but yes Eureka is a fine design. congrates to nonda for its concept.

From a layman's perspective, Q1's design does not seem to be truly unique to me, although it is aesthetically exceptional you can see its design evolving from many others', There is nothing else resembling Eureka's design.

^ name another 300m tall tower similar to Q1. lol
yes Eureka is unique mainly due to the twisted top 1/3 with gold bars. i suppose the lower section has similar elements to a few towers around globe.stepped design ect.

close but no cigar
Aurora place
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/509/126aurora-med.jpg

Q1
http://www.cmrdesign.net/towers/q1-170805-top-northeast.jpg

^ It doesnt have to be 300m to be similar, the actual design of the tower could be developed from many others...you're pic demonstrates this....Aurora and Q1 look like cousins.... There is nothing else like Eureka's fractal design around....

cousins as in inbred?lol damn hillbillies.

Nah, I don't buy it, you see Melb in those city v city threads? They are the longest on the site. If someone were zany enough to count the number of photos of Eureka and the number of posts by Melburnians and do the same for the Q1 thread they would not be equal, and hence it is not representative.

Beside, even if E is famous, Q1 is 'infamous', and if you saw the three amigos you'd know that that is better:P

Interesting but we're not talking about a parochial City vs City forum, we are talking about a world construction update forum which is completely different.

People don't submit/view a construction update thread to compare or moan.
They go there to get "an update" because they need one.
Vic forumers don't or need to visit a thread that already has second hand information.

A moot point.

Here's something representative. More of Eureka's claim to fame over the coming years which no other building in the Southern Hemisphere can boast.

Tallest to roof, highest to occupied floor and highest apartments, highest observation deck and longest view to the horizon, most number of levels, the largest building facade and a view almost 300m straight up, tallest base jump and abseil, largest skyline impact, the heaviest building, longest run-up, tallest elevators and tallest concrete building in the Southern Hemisphere.

How are we going to cope with all these claims to fame :)

yeah but do average people care about that crap? no
they will recognise the building that the see the most
i doubt i would hear on a train some old lady saying "oh did you know that eureka is that tallest building to roof?"

Ok, these are what I think the most famous skyscrapers in each city would be:

Brisbane: Riverside Centre, Executive Building (Also, most people identify CP1 and the State Law Centre(Gotham City Building) but don't know their names.)

Gold Coast: Nothing inparticular until Q1. Before it was the whole collective skyline.

Sydney: AMP Building and Tower, MLC

Melbourne: Rialto

Adelaide: Santos

Perth: Central Park

OVERALL: Tie between Rialto and AMP

yeah but do average people care about that crap? no
they will recognise the building that the see the most
i doubt i would hear on a train some old lady saying "oh did you know that eureka is that tallest building to roof?"

I doubt you would find an old lady on a train talking about Q1 or Eureka or one who gives a shit.

I doubt you would find an old lady on a train talking about Q1 or Eureka or one who gives a shit.

Exactly my point- I doubt you will find anyone talking about the exact specifications of both buildings!
Hence the most famous building will be the most visible.
With domestic and international tourism primarily focused on the Gold Coast and Sydney, and with the latter being Australia’s internationally recognisable city – it is almost certain that the most popular building in the eyes of someone who has never visited this forum will be in Sydney or the Gold Coast.

However it is possible that within this forum a large majority of people may believe Eureka will be the most famous- however what proportion of Australia's population visit this forum?

I am suggesting a valid argument and not being anti-Melbourne!

It's a tough question considering most people (outside of these forums) don't care but for me it would be either Rialto or Australia Square, I'm not too sure it would be one of the newer towers, there are still plenty of people in Melbourne who have no clue about Eureka and as I said before it's probably because they don't care, they wouldn't care about the arguments about Q1 and Eurekas height either. They think wow that's a nice building I don't care how tall it is it just looks nice.

Exactly my point- I doubt you will find anyone talking about the exact specifications of both buildings!
Hence the most famous building will be the most visible.
With domestic and international tourism primarily focused on the Gold Coast and Sydney, and with the latter being Australia’s internationally recognisable city – it is almost certain that the most popular building in the eyes of someone who has never visited this forum will be in Sydney or the Gold Coast.

However it is possible that within this forum a large majority of people may believe Eureka will be the most famous- however what proportion of Australia's population visit this forum?

I am suggesting a valid argument and not being anti-Melbourne!

Your argument certainly supports Sydney, but not gold coast

Let me ask what people would find to be the most interesting skyscrapers in Australia? Architectural design over say just being big and maybe famous locally or nationally.

So for the three places in Australia I know the best, Sydney, Melbourne and Perth, I would vote for Melbourne as having the most interesting skyscrapers overall with buildings such as 333 Colins, ANZ Tower on the corner of William and Collins, and of my favorites being the Manchester Unity building on the corner of Collins and Swantson.

One thing that I noticed when I was on the coast last week and went to look at Q1. It was amazing how many peope knew about it. They were taking photos of it everywhere, from the mall, from the beach, from the streets around - all different people, old, young ect. The tower looks amazing and is currently being photographed non stop. It will be an icon if this keeps up.

well after this morning a few million Sydney siders now know about Q1!
On triple Ms morning show (the cage) in sydney, they have bet brigitte Duclos to climb the "the 80storey Q1 worlds tallest residential bldg" in the stair climb race scheduled in 2 weeks. Must be coinciding with t he official opening.

well after this morning a few million Sydney siders now know about Q1!
On triple Ms morning show (the cage) in sydney, they have bet brigitte Duclos to climb the "the 80storey Q1 worlds tallest residential bldg" in the stair climb race scheduled in 2 weeks. Must be coinciding with t he official opening.

Well thats definately another plus for Q1 being Australia's most famous skyscraper

As i said before, Q1 will be most popular for now due to being completed BEFORE Eureka.Next year Eureka will be in limelight when it has its official opening.

I think the marketing for Q1 to this point in time has been much better than for Eureka. Perception is reality people.

The Rialto Run-up is an annual event and has been running for many years.

^ yeah.
Sydney tower also has one.http://www.supersprint.com.au/Default.aspx?Menu=252&Content=962&Template=1

I think the marketing for Q1 to this point in time has been much better than for Eureka. Perception is reality people.

Hell yeah, you don't see billboards promoting Eureka everywhere. :)

^Thats cos it aint finished and Melbourne doesn't define itself with a skyscraper, GC has had theme parks, beach, apartment blocks until now.

What will happen when this brand new spanking building comes along and says "its the tallest" after all the Queensland hoopla?

Are people going to get confused or realise that there's a taller kid on the block?

Eureka is being marketed as the "tallest building in the Southern Hemiphere" and Q1 "as tallest residential".

You can only have those record breaking stats with one building, ignoring them wont make them go away I'm afraid and guess which building people will go to to break those records? :)

Imagine a news report like this
Base jumper caught on camera said today: "If you want to break the record you go to Eureka, its a much taller building to jump from" :lol:

No one has ever heard of Eureka in Sydney or Queensland - very few have heard of Q1 in NSW or victoria either
And with Eureka unlikely to get its steel structure on top - it will not be the tallest building in the country - the title will go to Q1 Curtain

if something did go on top of eureka, i would like it to be unique.....

That's right nobody in Sydney or Queensland has heard of Eureka, not one person. Nobody in Queensland read the Brisbane Courier Mail, the Financial Review, The bulliten, the Australian or any of the other media outlets which carried stories about the competition between Eureka and Q1.

There is a lot of competition on this forum between the two buildings - but lets be realistic - outside of this forum no one cares – I am not aware of any article in the AFR reporting on the competition between Eureka and Q1 - However they talk about the buildings individually - nearly every article about Q1 its referred to as the tallest residential building in the world at 322 meters

In last weekends paper they had an article about penthouses - and had a little thing about Eureka and stated the height as 297 meters with the penthouse selling for $9.5 million (More than Q1 at $9 million). Most expensive penthouse was the $15 million dollar Wharf Complex at Woolloomooloo bought by John Laws.

I really doubt there is any article out there emphasising the competition between the buildings - how pathetic would that sound! Both towers are reasonably good looking – but I come back to my point – The most popular building (TO AN AVERAGE JOE) will be the most visible – I think this will be determined by the amount of tourists a city has and how photogenic the tourists will be. In my view most tourists in Melbourne don’t take photos unlike those in the Gold Coast or Sydney. The Gold Coast and Sydney are clearly the leading Australian cities when it comes to tourism. I think to this forum Eureka will be the most favored (mainly attributable to the large number of Victorian members) however in Australia I think Q1 may take the cake.

Also, the Gold Coast Indy is expected to replace F1 as the biggest racing event in the country in less than 2 years (last year the event was only 25,000 people off having a larger crowd than F1). With the race completed around the Surfers Paradise CBD this will also showcase Q1.

But I guess they will both lose the title when the new Transit Centre complex is built in the gold coast (300 meter building proposed!)

I come back to my point – The most popular building (TO AN AVERAGE JOE) will be the most visible – I think this will be determined by the amount of tourists a city has and how photogenic the tourists will be.

Well if the tourists are all wearing bikinis Q1 will undoubtedly be more popular.

In my view most tourists in Melbourne don’t take photos unlike those in the Gold Coast or Sydney.

Now I know why I've never bought a camera.

But I guess they will both lose the title when the new Transit Centre complex is built in the gold coast (300 meter building proposed!)

A building in someone's imagination, show us a render of this beauty.

I've had fun. cya! :)

I really doubt there is any article out there emphasising the competition between the buildings - how pathetic would that sound!

Wrong again...

Courier-Mail (from google):

Soar point as towers aspire to be tallest ...

... DANIEL Grollo has laid claim to the $500 million Eureka Tower being the tallest ...

The Financial Review 22/12/2003

The two towers: an epic battle

A spire makes all the difference in the battle to build Australia's tallest building. Karina Barrymore reports on the dizzy heights.

Perception is reality people.

Whose reality? ;)

what I mean is that the marketers of Q1 keep telling everyone that its the tallest in the world and, despite it being incorrect ( lets not get into the spire debate here....) , this perception becomes reality in the minds of most people.
Meanwhile the developers of Eureka haven't been all that aggressive in hosing this perception down.

At the end of the day, who cares? In fifteen years time, the world's tallest residential will be in Dubai and the tallest in the Southern Hemisphere will hopefully be in Melbourne on the power station site. :D

I'd also hazard a guess that the biggest racing event in the country is the Spring Carnival. :)

I hazard to guess that in 15 years time the world's tallest residential will still be in QLD, but it might not be Q1!;)

right..... :)

At the end of the day, who cares? In fifteen years time, the world's tallest residential will be in Dubai and the tallest in the Southern Hemisphere will hopefully be in Melbourne on the power station site. :D

I'd also hazard a guess that the biggest racing event in the country is the Spring Carnival. :)

The Q1 developer has used the "worlds tallest" thing massively in its marketing i.e to sell apartments by making the tower as iconic and aspirational as possible! Where as the marketing of Eureka hasn't concentrated on its sheer size ( which I think it should have ) which could be in part a contributer to the fact that there's still several hundred apartments unsold in the tower.

It's always an edge to say your building is tallest, Aurora, Vision, Q1 have all done it up here in their respective ad campaigns, it gives a building an edge, you want some point of differentiation after all.

This thread is very funny. I'm happy with my size thank you.

The Q1 developer has used the "worlds tallest" thing massively in its marketing i.e to sell apartments by making the tower as iconic and aspirational as possible! Where as the marketing of Eureka hasn't concentrated on its sheer size ( which I think it should have ) which could be in part a contributer to the fact that there's still several hundred apartments unsold in the tower.

Maybe perhaps Q1 used the "worlds tallest" more because it would sell better in a city with less tall towers? As oppose to melbourne having alot of tall buildings, and Eureka beeing just any other tower? if you get my drift ;)

Wrong again...

Courier-Mail (from google):

Soar point as towers aspire to be tallest ...

... DANIEL Grollo has laid claim to the $500 million Eureka Tower being the tallest ...

The Financial Review 22/12/2003

The two towers: an epic battle

A spire makes all the difference in the battle to build Australia's tallest building. Karina Barrymore reports on the dizzy heights.

2003? couldnt u have found an article in the past few months? i really doubt its a big issue in the minds of ordinary Qld or Victorians

There are now adds on triple m in sydney every 20mins informing everyone about Q1's observation deck, opening dec. It mentions travelling in one of the worlds fastest lifts to lev78 235m high in worlds tallest residential bldg! "make sure your next visit to Gold coast includes visit to Q1". visit www.q1observationdeck.com.au

is q1's observation deck higher than sydney towers?

i knew someone would as that.lol
observation decks in SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE

Eureka lev88 282m (planned mast-330m)
Sydney Tower 240-250m, skywalk-260m
Q1- lev78 235m
Rialto- lev55 234m
Skytower Auckland- 190-220m (antemna climb-273m)
Hillbrow Tower,Jburg SAfrica-220m
Chifley tower lev45 restaurant-185m
Australia sq summit-lev45 153m
collins place sofitel lobby/melb-lev35 135m
sydney harbour bridge bridgeclimb-134m
Sydney harbour bridge pylon lookout-85m
Brisbane city hall clock tower lookout-60m

Maybe perhaps Q1 used the "worlds tallest" more because it would sell better in a city with less tall towers? As oppose to melbourne having alot of tall buildings, and Eureka beeing just any other tower? if you get my drift ;)

I think it's even MORE of a reason to promote Eureka as 'worlds tallest' for Melbourne in a city that embraces skyscrapers / architecture / urban design etc ! Melbourne is also a city that likes 'big things' , it's like the Texas of Australia i.e big stadiums, big buildings, big sporting events, big personalities....

Should be cool:
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3532/q1run6xg.jpg

classic. when i say the add is on every 20mins ,its on every 20mins!
lol

Melbourne is also a city that likes 'big things' , it's like the Texas of Australia i.e big stadiums, big buildings, big sporting events, big personalities....

big hole?


:jk:

^^
A joke that has some truth in it I would assume. When people say 'Only Joking', there is always some truth to what they just said.

this whole thread and the '150m+ towers in each city ranked in roof height ?' thread has venom written all over it.

they've become quite the 'who's going to bite faster and harder' shenanigans anyhow, and what a surprise you just did :lol:

all bit of fun tays

^^
Yer I'm not upset, just teasing

well, to me, fun is standing on a roof of a building 200m above Bourke Street, taking pictures, coming back here and posting about it - not reading continuous subliminal digs at a select group of people to satisfy your own insecure shortcomings. If you were a little more direct with your opinions of other cities / skyscrapers / whatever else that irks you like I was when I was in your position, I think I might still hold you in the same regard as I once did. But until that day comes, I'm still going to soak up as much entertainment value from threads like these.

chomp.

:happy:

on ya tays
have you EVER got anything nice to say?
its just a forum tays. nothing that serious.


http://www.tvdance.com/aceventura/8a.gif

When he references me he can say nothing BUT nice things.

lol

^^
A joke that has some truth in it I would assume. When people say 'Only Joking', there is always some truth to what they just said.


Are you saying that it is true - it is a big hole?

LOL - the bait's been well and truly chomped.

Crank crank.

Eureka lev88 282m (planned mast-330m)
Sydney Tower 240-250m, skywalk-260m
Q1- lev78 235m
Rialto- lev55 234m
Skytower Auckland- 190-220m (antemna climb-273m)
Hillbrow Tower,Jburg SAfrica-220m
Chifley tower lev45 restaurant-185m
Australia sq summit-lev45 153m
collins place sofitel lobby/melb-lev35 135m
sydney harbour bridge bridgeclimb-134m
Sydney harbour bridge pylon lookout-85m
Brisbane city hall clock tower lookout-60m

Story Bridge Climb is 80m.

Hopefully he's referring to a "big hole" about to be dug on the Melb CBD Power Station site for a 1,000 foot mongrel to rise !;)

big hole?


:jk:

Must be talking about Logan in Brisbane. :jk:

Im wondering how many calories you'd burn running up Q1 btw. :lol: :D

well, to me, fun is standing on a roof of a building 200m above Bourke Street, taking pictures, coming back here and posting about it - not reading continuous subliminal digs at a select group of people to satisfy your own insecure shortcomings. If you were a little more direct with your opinions of other cities / skyscrapers / whatever else that irks you like I was when I was in your position, I think I might still hold you in the same regard as I once did. But until that day comes, I'm still going to soak up as much entertainment value from threads like these.

chomp.

:happy:

Of course your right!! Condescending! Condescending! Condescending! Condescending! Condescending! Condescending! Condescending!
These comments are why your not a mod! Leave our respectable mods alone!

PATHETIC!

PATHETIC!

^
Was that really neccesary
Why come on here and big note your own city when we should be here to represent our great country. All our great cities are beautifully equal and rivalry is good but leave b####ness at home.

This thread is dominated by Q1 vs Eureka however these two buildings among the general public are unknown literally.
My conclusion after asking heaps of international people is:
1: Sydney tower. Not a scrapers but it is the best known tall structure in Australia by far. There since 81 countless visitors to the top and very well known.
2: Rialto. Almost as old as Sydney tower. Is starting to be overwhelmed by large buildings in CBD. Observation deck is the reason this tower comes in at no 2. So many people have been up there and the changing glass gets a lot of mentions too.
3.Q1 and Eureka. These two will get more popular but will never be as well known as Sydney Tower.

Conclusion. Towers with observation decks are the best known as they are frequented by the most commoners. till we build something 450m + it will struggle for world attention because a 300m building just aint s**t. on a world basis anyway.

and to think it took managment at Rialto 10 years to realize it should have an observation deck.
i think 300m is more then enough for a small counrty like Australia. A 300m tower/skyscraper LOOKS 450m in our small cities.
just look how Q1 and Eureka stands out! gee even 135m Santos house in Adelaide stands out like rats testicles!
cheers

i think 300m is more then enough for a small counrty like Australia. A 300m tower/skyscraper LOOKS 450m in our small cities.
just look how Q1 and Eureka stands out! gee even 135m Santos house in Adelaide stands out like rats testicles!
cheers

That’s a very good point. More often than not, the feeling of tallness of a city’s new tallest building is not as high as you’d expect as it has the effect of making the other buildings look shorter.

I.e., just look at old photos of the Sydney skyline over the last 5 decades. When new, AMP Building and Australia Square actually “looked” almost or as tall as Sydney Tower, GPT or MLC do now. But of course, this older crop has been made to look much shorter.

Also. AMP Centre looked massive when it was completed (late 70’s?) but the taller GPT just made AMP centre look shorter. Yet, today GPT doesn’t look any taller than AMP Centre looked 20 years ago.

Ie, double the size of your tallest building and the tallness only looks, say, 50% bigger, since the appearance of the previously tallest have been shrunk.

and to think it took managment at Rialto 10 years to realize it should have an observation deck.
i think 300m is more then enough for a small counrty like Australia. A 300m tower/skyscraper LOOKS 450m in our small cities.
just look how Q1 and Eureka stands out! gee even 135m Santos house in Adelaide stands out like rats testicles!
cheers

Couldn't agree more. Living here in HK, average size buildings here are anything in the 30 to 50 story range. Now for anything to stand out they have to be around the 70 to 100 stories, i.e IFC, Union Square, Nina Tower etc etc. So while it's impressive, the topography and the sheer number of buildings in HK (about 7000 in Emporis I think) viewed from many angles almost make it feel like that there is no skyline at all here that is a eye catching as say standing on the north side of Sydney Harbor or on the South Perth foreshore, simply because there is no begining and no end like there is in Australian cities.

I think that buildings such as Eureka in Melbourne and Q1 on the Gold Coast are towers that will dominate the skyline for quite a few years to come, they have been built at a time when both of those skylines have reached a level and density where buildings of that height don't stand out like sore thumbs, if you want to see an example of that go to Taipei and go see 101. Apart from being an ugly building (as only the Chinese can do), all the other buildings around it are in the 10 to 20 story range, it's just not in keeping with the area, and it looks totally incongruous. Imaging that or even a 60 stroy tower in the middle of Adelaide....no thanks!

Cities need time to grow in density and scale upwards gradually, hence why in my opinion that Brisbane looks more like a city than Perth, which although eye catching from Kings Park or South Perth looks empty from the back as historically there has been tendency to crowd everything along the terrace (although they are finally begining to build back from the terrace these days), Brisabane on the other hand built buildings on many streets over the years through the CBD and now has the look of a city that is bigger than it actually is.....Sorry for waffling, just my thoughts though.

the CBD layout will always be different, most of the retail, cafe's etc are at the back of the Perth cbd, hence the reason no one builds skyscrapers there.

do revolving restaurants count as observation desks :D???

the CBD layout will always be different, most of the retail, cafe's etc are at the back of the Perth cbd, hence the reason no one builds skyscrapers there.

But they are ver so slowly building high rises back there, that will happen more and more as St Georges and Adelaide Terraces are filled up, you may even find that at some point taller buildings in the size of 30+ stories are built on Hay, Murray and Wellington Streets (a good number of years down the tract of course) as people either a) try to capture views of the river over the top of smaller buildings in front, or b) people start to realize that views of the norther suburbs and the distant ocean can be quite appealing as well (especially at sunset).

lol, i hope the first option :D

but the northern suburbs aren't something worth looking at, god its just flat with all houses that look the same and fake lakes and stuff :)

Adelaide's Hyatt Regency would be fairly well recognised amongst those who watch cricket I reckon - I mean how often do you see this shot:
http://www.mspm.com.au/adelaide_oval.jpg

But of course hardly anyone would know it's name - I wasn't even sure of it's correct title.

Although I wonder if anyone would recognise it WITHOUT the Adelaide Oval in front.
http://www.oztravel.com.au/travel_mall/images/SA367.jpeg