I wanted to continue the conversation about Quebec Independence but it was closed.

I want to continue the conversation but let us keep it civil. Separation is always a subject that is controversial and tempers can get a bit heated.
That, however, is no excuse for foul language and abrassive and insulting comments.

Let us discuss this topic in a mature manner, and if you can't do it then please don't partake.
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That said, lets get one thing straight Habsfan........................now that Sundin is back, the Leafs are going to kick some hardcore Hab ass, but I expect most Montrealer's already know that.

^ I'm not really opinionated on Quebec Separation, but it would definatley have major impacts, I am just tired of the conversation. The one major thing about seperation that I wonder about is what happens to the name Montreal Canadiens? You can't just change the name of the greatest hockey team of all time.

As you can see, I am opinionated on hockey! The Leafs just got Sundin back, but the Habs just got Zednik back and Theodore is starting to regain his form. And how long will it be before Lindros and Allison get injured? I'm willing to bet that both will be out for extended periods of time during the season, as well as Pat Quinn getting another puck in the face. You're not a Canucks fan ssiguy2? Or are you originally from Ontario.

research the origins of the term Canadien, you'll understand that it won't change.

Nothing good comes from threads regarding separation. It certainly is a legitimate topic of conversation but I am not sure this forum is a place for it. People can be called upon to act in a mature or adult manner but inevitably it will end in anger, name calling and nastiness...this has been demonstrated time after time forum after forum.

I myself have been drawn into separation debates a couple of times in the past and I am not even from Canada...I refuse to be lured into it anymore.

yeah thats why we don't want these debtates here.

and you ssiguy2 with the remarks you posted in the other thread you still expect people to debate this issue with you ?

I wanted to continue the conversation about Quebec Independence but it was closed.

How about a monologue?
Seriously, there is no point to this; there is a long thread in Canada's SSP forum. If you won't get answers for your questions there it is because there are no answers ;)

OK, lets try this again...

Québeckers who want to separate, don'T do so because we hate Canada. WE have nothing against Canadians. We want our own country to call home. most of us are aware that things(economically speaking) are gonna be hard for a certain period of time...but if it were to mean that we would have our COuntry...it would be well worth it.

unlike some english Canadians like to say...we aren'T a bunch of xenophobic rascists...15% of the Québec population is from elsewhere. The P.Q. is trying hareder and harder every year to attract immigrants into their party.

Obviously, you have a small group of Hard core separatists who want separation at all costs...but like I've said before, they are a minority.

Once independant, Québec would become a progressive country(very similar to Canada) but with a different language and culture. I know i wouldn't want all the english speaking(and Allophones) Québeckers to leave, and I'd do my best to make them feel welcome In THEIR country (because Québec would also be their country).


Finally, ssiguy2, the leafs have no chance this year!! The Habs are tops in the east, and second in the league...end of discussion!

Let them eat cake and have it, too.

Separatists don't seem to get it in their heads that there is no such thing as the "rest of Canada". Canadian Confederation is written up a bit like a condominium agreement. One unit cant just suddenly say I want out without the agreement of all the other members.

Imagine a bunch of townhouses who have such an agreement and one guy in the middle says the association is too messy and wants to go on his own. because he is part of the corporation, there is nobody that represents the "rest of the corporation"

The only way for Quebec to separate legally is for Canada to be dissolved with the agreement of all involved, and then for the rest to renew their commitment to each other. You see now how Canadians don't want to get into this?

while the federal govt might not like the idea to "redo" the country, they'll have no choice but to respect a clear majority vote on a referendum. You wouldn't want Canada to be seen as an undemocratic country would you?

obviously not, its not good for buisness.


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you can't compare this situation to a condo agreement!!

Habsfan...how is Canada not your country? Quebec is part of Canada and francophones are French Canadians. Quebec was Canada before it was a province. Quebecois ethnicity is a relatively new term used by separatist politicians in the 1960's.

If Quebec has its own language and culture, then Canada works.

Id really like to challenge any separatists to think outside the box and understand what they have in Canada.

I understand your point. I'm not sure I agree with saying that Canadians don't want to get into it again.
Yes, it can get ugly but I think we should just get it over and done with and sooner rather than later. Lets face it Canada is going to have to go thru this every ten years and at some point they will get their 50% so why drag it out.
I think for most Canadians the issue is not whether Quebec should go but what about the Quebecer's who don't want to. This especially being true in areas of high concentration of federalist votes. You can't tell someone who was born and raised in Canada that you no longer live in Canada and if you don't like it then move.
There would be an open border, of course, and anyone who was born or lived in Quebec for any significant amount of time would have dual Can/Que citizenship.

I now almost no Quebecers dislike Canada, infact, they love it they would simply rather be kings of their own castle, I respect that.
The thing that the PQ doesn't seem to be able to explain is what do you do with the litterally millions who just say "hell no we won't go". Do you send in the army which you don't have, take their houses, repeal their right to work? What will they do especially if Canada just ignores the results and life goes on as ussual.
Canada could just say tough break. It won't of course but it raises and interesting annd extremly important point..........you can't force a citizen out of their own country and they are Canadian citizens.
I went to the PQ website and some of it is in English but most of the major points are not, especially that one. I wish the PQ would have {also in english as it should as it professes that anglophones are also Quebecers} EXACTLY what they would do, what they would want and are willing to give, separation from Quebec if so desired by certain areas of Quebec.
It would make the conversation a more frank, honest, and open one if people Quebecers and the ROC knew EXACTLY what the PQ stood for and what an independent Quebec would be like.
To use an example, sovernity asssociation..................what the hell does that mean??? No one seemed to really know what it is or what they were voting for.
For a few thousand who say they don't want to go but when 3.5 of your 7.5 million residents just say "hell no we won't go", what would the PQ really do. They've never explained EXACTLY what would happen.

How was my comment deleted?...this is wierd

Let me put it another way then: Quebec by seeking independence puts at risk the future of all Canadians. It will create instability for the entire country.

Canada is a member of the G8. Quebec's economy represents about 20% of Canada's. Canada could lose influence or even membership (Spain's economy is already larger), and Quebec (same as Austria) wouln't even qualify for a seat.

If Quebec separates, the remaining Canadians would demand to have bilingual institutions dismantled because of the uneccessary costs. Quebec would then have to deal with the Canadian government in English only. Requirement for French on packaging and documentation will be removed. The Quebec economy will solely be responsible for extra packaging costs, resulting in either less products or more cost.

Of course the separatists will say we could cooperate on those things, but who's to guarantee that? And why not cooperate now?

Thank you for airing your political view, however we all know where this is heading! Therefore, this thread is being closed!