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pirlo_21
November 9th, 2005, 10:59 AM
This evil bastard begins a 3-day visit to Britain today – who is Hu? – he is Hu Jintao and is the President of the Peoples Republic of China. In fact he has the grim distinction of presiding over the most evil, brutal, tortuous and inhumane regime on the planet. And yet he is going to stay at Buckingham Palace, wine and dine with the Queen, meet with Blair, where there will be smiles all round, much back-slapping and handshaking – but exactly what kind of regime are we now firmly and snugly in bed with?

Lao Tzu got it right a long time ago when he penned the first “self-help” bestseller. Available at most good bookshops, The Way of the Tao sagely suggests that anyone presuming to push against the river will end up swallowing a lot of water.

One of China’s problems is the sheer numbers of human beings in that country. With an additional 100 million or so hungry humans expected to be born by 2010, Hu the drastic step of limiting births to one child per couple. That tended to put the brakes on for a bit. It also brutalised many people, while lighting the fuse on a powder keg that could blow the country apart as Beijing’s “One-Child Policy” favouring male offspring leads to a shortage of the female gender to sustain the regime’s planned economic world domination by 2025.

The Birth Police

In Fujian province, a 34-year-old mother of two young boys refused to be sterilized after a local hospital warned her against aggravating her medical condition. Sun Zhonghua was taken from her farm at daybreak by birth-control officials and beaten to death.

Another village woman whose IUD was incorrectly inserted tried to hide an unauthorised second birth. A shaken former birth control officer who defected with smuggled identity cards, documents and videotape confessed that when she learned of this transgression, Gao Xiao Duan “sent a bulldozer to demolish her house and her brother's house. She was then sterilised.”

“In the race to the bottom, China is the bottom,” says Bama Athreya, Deputy Director of the International Labour Rights Fund. “The most extreme cases of misery and repression can all be found in China, thanks to the fact that its enormous and desperate population of unemployed have no choice but to accept starvation wages and suffer abuse.”

Within the borders of this evil empire millions of young Chinese men can find neither money nor love because many of the relatively few available single women are being beaten and raped while producing products for Britain, the EU, USA, Canada and other world markets in death camps called “laogai.”

Alternatively, they “voluntarily” work backbreaking hours in what amount to slave labour camps, where the National Labour Committee for Human Rights has documented 98-hour work weeks in factories with temperatures of over 100°F, a ban on talking during work hours, 24-hour surveillance, and compulsory unpaid overtime.

Oh and top wages are 10 cents an hour.

Average pay in China’s “Special Economic Zones” is three cents an hour.
Other workers are paid just 36 cents for more than a month’s work—making just 8/100th of a cent an hour.

This is life in China, autumn 2005. We can lay all this human misery at the door of our distinguished visitor today.

Does it Get Any Worse?

Yes!! Chinese officials, doctors and relatives of prisoners confirm “organ harvesting is widespread in China’s jails.” According to David Chu of the China Support Network, “prime” death-row prisoners who are young and healthy are subjected to health checks to match them with donors. Then they are shot in the back of the head, leaving the valuable vital organs intact. Like some barbaric rite, beating hearts are transferred into waiting patients—sometimes, it has been documented, while the gunshot victim is still alive.

Kidneys cut from “Made in China” corpses fetch as much as $15,000 apiece. And the skin carved from an estimated 15,000 state murder victims every year is stored in saline for later use on burn victims, who may have very troubled dreams indeed.

No wonder David Chu calls this place, “Nazi China”. Would you buy anything made by Nazis running concentration-labour camps like these during the last world war?

China’s New Rich, the West’s New Poor

With 160 million low-paid Chinese engaged in manufacturing and mining, the repercussions in the West are severe and growing worse. China’s sweatshops and force labour concentration camps have already taken over about 70% of the British, EU and American textile and clothing and materials market. In January 2005, a US congressional commission reported that China’s slave labour policies had cost 1.5 million US jobs since 1989.

But China’s murderous miracle cannot be sustained. No matter how they’re shuffled, the numbers simply don’t work.

Over the past four years, China has consumed 40% of global oil demand. When its consumption more than doubles in the next 20 years, China will become the world’s biggest importer, requiring the same 12.8 million barrels of crude oil that many fewer Americans import and burn every day.
China is currently the world’s seventh largest economy. It may well be the world’s largest in the next 25 years. But it cannot feed half its population. And water tables are drying up beneath the great North China Plain, which produces much of China's grain harvest.

Racing for the last vestiges of oil, gas and mineral acquisitions throughout Central Asia, Europe, the Middle East and Africa, the world's second-largest consumer of oil is already America’s biggest competitor. But as aquifers run dry and more water is diverted to China’s teeming cities, farmers are being banned from using reservoirs with the results that harvest yields are dropping. Beijing’s narrowing options are to secure the people’s needs through overseas investment. The alarming alternative is the conquest of its neighbours.

A Word About Tibet

52 years of Chinese occupation of Tibet
BOYCOTT ‘MADE IN CHINA’
157,000 Tibetans executed, 266,000 Tibetans tortured to death.

FACT: Every time you buy a product made in China, some of your money is being used to fund the vast network of prisons and forced labour camps in Tibet, where men, women and children are routinely tortured and beaten, often resulting in their deaths. Their ‘crimes’, which are never violent, may include making a Tibetan flag, or singing independence songs or even possessing a picture of the Dalai Lama.

Every time you buy something in a shop or by mail order, check first - if it was made in China, don’t buy it. If the label doesn't say where it was made, then it was probably made in China (a large proportion of goods made in China fail to indicate their origin. Goods from other countries nearly always show where they were made).

TORTURE AND BEATING OF TIBETAN PRISONERS OF CONSCIENCE ARE ROUTINE. EVERY TIME YOU BUY GOODS MADE IN CHINA, YOU ARE HELPING TO PAY FOR THIS OPPRESSION!

“They pulled down on the rope, hoisting my arms up, wrenching them from their sockets. I screamed. I began to urinate uncontrollably and I could no longer hear anything beyond my own screaming and the thuds of the guards' fists landing on my body.” - Testimony of Palden Gyatso, monk, who was imprisoned for 33 years for putting up posters calling for Tibetan independence.

I personally met Palden, a Buddhist monk, in Glasgow two years ago, surely one of the most beautiful and compassionate human beings one could wish to meet. I asked him if he bore any grudges against the Chinese - he said - he just felt sorry for them!! (the people, that was)

LOOK, PLEASE DO NOT BOYCOTT CHINESE RESTAURANTS OR OTHER CHINESE BUSINESSES OPERATING IN THE UK. I AM ONLY SUGGESTING BOYCOTTING CHINESE GOODS, NOT CHINESE PEOPLE, WHO HAVE OFTEN COME TO BRITAIN TO ESCAPE ILL-TREATMENT THEMSELVES.

Kampflamm
November 9th, 2005, 11:02 AM
Hu let the dogs out? :hahano:

Zim Flyer
November 9th, 2005, 11:06 AM
I agree dining with a communist leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

However it is important we push UK influence in China now, that includes British companies investing there, the British Council spreading the use of English as a second language there etc.

We will not be able to do these things if we stick our fingers up at their leadership.

Cabman
November 9th, 2005, 11:50 AM
Quite correct Zim, China is a place I would love to visit but I won't while there is an evil regime in place. Because of it's size it can't be bullied into change by the west. The best hope of change with china is as it gets more affluent then the communist start to lose thier influence over a period of time. The fact that they have the next olympics leaves a bitter taste, but maybe that will bring international attention to the plight of many of their people.

Monkey
November 9th, 2005, 12:40 PM
China is far from the most evil regime. The regime is undemocratic and curtails free media but it's economically competent and has lifted hundreds of millions of ordinary Chinese out of dire poverty. There is no way that China's government is as bad as Burma, North Korea, Iran - indeed most Middle Eastern regimes are more repressive - nor many of the African states where some corrupt "Mr Big" stashes all the country's wealth in his own personal Swiss bank account.

Noostairz
November 9th, 2005, 05:09 PM
seen as these two look like being the big, major, emerging powers, i'd like to see us align ourselves more with the indians than the chinese.

we have greater historic ties with the indians, we're culturally more simliar, we have the same democratic values (and china is inevitably, in my opinion, going to have to go through huge, potentially disruptive, social/political upheavels), india has more habitable land and, having lived in both countries, i find the indians a lot more genuine, and no where near as threatening and aggressive. in fact the nationalism of the chinese is a little bit worrying. just my opinion.

terryfied
November 9th, 2005, 05:51 PM
What a bunch of fucking hypocrites :bash:

ReddAlert
November 9th, 2005, 05:51 PM
like I have always said, 'I hope you are happy when the U.S. comes in second place.' We do some questionable shit, Ill give you that much--but China makes the U.S. look like "Leave it to Beaver".

Pobbie
November 9th, 2005, 06:16 PM
^^yeah, don't worry: we'll start loving you once China takes over the world. ;)

I was reading The Independent yesterday. It talked about Hu Jintao's past, especially his role in the brutal suppression of Tibet during the late 80s. And this guy is supposed to be one of China's more moderate figures? God help us all.

CharlieP
November 9th, 2005, 07:42 PM
I Like Chinese
Sung by Eric Idle

[talking]
The world today seems absolutely crackers,
With nuclear bombs to blow us all sky high.
There's fools and idiots sitting on the trigger.
It's depressing and it's senseless, and that's why...

[singing]
I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They only come up to your knees,
Yet they're always friendly, and they're ready to please.

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
There's nine hundred million of them in the world today.
You'd better learn to like them; that's what I say.

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They come from a long way overseas,
But they're cute and they're cuddly, and they're ready to please.

I like Chinese food.
The waiters never are rude.
Think of the many things they've done to impress.
There's Maoism, Taoism, I Ching, and Chess.

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
I like their tiny little trees,
Their Zen, their ping-pong, their yin, and yang-ese.

I like Chinese thought,
The wisdom that Confucious taught.
If Darwin is anything to shout about,
The chinese will survive us all without any doubt.

So, I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They only come up to your knees,
Yet they're wise and they're witty, and they're ready to please.

All together.

[verse in Chinese]
Wo ai zhongguo ren (I like Chinese)
Wo ai zhongguo ren (I like Chinese)
Wo ai zhongguo ren (I like Chinese)
Ni hao ma, ni hao ma, ni hao ma, zaijien!
(How are you, how are you, how are you, goodbye!)

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
Their food is guaranteed to please,
A fourteen, a seven, a nine, and lychees.

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
I like their tiny little trees,
Their Zen, their ping-pong, their yin, and yang-ese.

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They only come up to your knees...

JDRS
November 9th, 2005, 08:04 PM
Evil guy, hopefully Blair will have more luck persuading this guy to change his country than he did with his rebels. I agree with Edennewstairs about being closer to India for obvious reasons.

ReddAlert
November 9th, 2005, 10:41 PM
I would rather have ties with the worlds largest democracy than the worlds largest communist nation. I love China, hate its leaders.

loureed
November 10th, 2005, 01:13 AM
The Birth Police

In Fujian province, a 34-year-old mother of two young boys refused to be sterilized after a local hospital warned her against aggravating her medical condition. Sun Zhonghua was taken from her farm at daybreak by birth-control officials and beaten to death.

Another village woman whose IUD was incorrectly inserted tried to hide an unauthorised second birth. A shaken former birth control officer who defected with smuggled identity cards, documents and videotape confessed that when she learned of this transgression, Gao Xiao Duan “sent a bulldozer to demolish her house and her brother's house. She was then sterilised.”

This is very unfortunate, but these could very well be isolated cases. There probably isn't a standard on how to deal with breaking the policy and local officials deem what is the appropiate punishment.


China will eventually politically mature and have standardize laws and rule of law.


Also, do you people really believe isolating China will make it a more free and just nation?? North Korea is isolated.

ReddAlert
November 10th, 2005, 02:43 AM
HU's yo Daddy?

Pobbie
November 10th, 2005, 02:47 AM
HU's yo Daddy?
Yes ReddAlert, I am your father.
http://www.est-direct.com/china/images/hujintao.jpg

ReddAlert
November 10th, 2005, 02:51 AM
Yes ReddAlert, I am your father.
http://www.est-direct.com/china/images/hujintao.jpg

Up top, girl!

Cabman
November 10th, 2005, 03:59 AM
I deliberately pulled out on the motorcade carrying Hu today, motorcycle cop wasn't too impressed with me.

Pobbie
November 10th, 2005, 04:00 AM
Haha, did you get on TV?

Bikkel
November 10th, 2005, 04:08 AM
I deliberately pulled out on the motorcade carrying Hu today, motorcycle cop wasn't too impressed with me.
:master:

loureed
November 10th, 2005, 04:10 AM
Watch out Cabman, he has photographic memory. Your image has burned into the cells of his brain permanantly.

Shodan
November 10th, 2005, 07:20 AM
I deliberately pulled out on the motorcade carrying Hu today, motorcycle cop wasn't too impressed with me.

Oh snap, I bet Hu was really impressed. You are a real hero, sir.

Zim Flyer
November 10th, 2005, 11:19 AM
I deliberately pulled out on the motorcade carrying Hu today, motorcycle cop wasn't too impressed with me.

In Zim they would have fired at you for that. It is a criminal offence to block the Presidents motorcade as is driving on the road outside his house after 6pm.

maccoinnich
November 10th, 2005, 12:32 PM
This is old, but funny.



(We take you now to the Oval Office.)

George: Condi! Nice to see you. What's happening?

Condileeza: Sir, I have the report here about the new leader of China.

George: Great. Lay it on me.

Condi: Hu is the new leader of China.

George: That's what I want to know.

Condi: That's what I'm telling you.

George: That's what I'm asking you. Who is the new leader of China?

Condi: Yes.

George: I mean the fellow's name.

Condi: Hu.

George: The guy in China.

Condi: Hu.

George: The new leader of China.

Condi: Hu.

George: The Chinaman!

Condi: Hu is leading China.

George: Now whaddya' asking me for?

Condi: I'm telling you Hu is leading China.

George: Well, I'm asking you. Who is leading China?

Condi: That's the man's name.

George: That's who's name?

Condi: Yes.

George: Will you or will you not tell me the name of the new leader of China?

Condi: Yes, sir.

George: Yassir? Yassir Arafat is in China? I thought he was in the Middle East.

Condi: That's correct.

George: Then who is in China?

Condi: Yes, sir.

George: Yassir is in China?

Condi: No, sir.

George: Then who is?

Condi: Yes, sir.

George: Yassir?

Condi: No, sir.

George: Look, Condi. I need to know the name of the new leader of China.
Get me the Secretary General of the U.N. on the phone.

Condi: Kofi?

George: No, thanks.

Condi: You want Kofi?

George: No.

Condi: You don't want Kofi.

George: No. But now that you mention it, I could use a glass of milk. And then get me the U.N.

Condi: Yes, sir.

George: Not Yassir! The guy at the U.N.

Condi: Kofi?

George: Milk! Will you please make the call?

Condi: And call who?

George: Who is the guy at the U.N?

Condi: Hu is the guy in China.

George: Will you stay out of China?!

Condi: Yes, sir.

George: And stay out of the Middle East! Just get me the guy at the U.N.

Condi: Kofi.

George: All right! With cream and two sugars. Now get on the phone.

(Condi picks up the phone.)

Condi: Rice, here.

George: Rice? Good idea. And a couple of egg rolls, too. Maybe we should send some to the guy in China. And the Middle East. Can you get Chinese food in the Middle East?

Pobbie
November 10th, 2005, 12:36 PM
:lol:

Monkey
November 10th, 2005, 12:57 PM
seen as these two look like being the big, major, emerging powers, i'd like to see us align ourselves more with the indians than the chinese.

we have greater historic ties with the indians, we're culturally more simliar, we have the same democratic values (and china is inevitably, in my opinion, going to have to go through huge, potentially disruptive, social/political upheavels), india has more habitable land and, having lived in both countries, i find the indians a lot more genuine, and no where near as threatening and aggressive. in fact the nationalism of the chinese is a little bit worrying. just my opinion.We should not choose. Right now China's economy is more than double the size and still growing faster even in percentage terms than India's (despite them being at a similar level just two decades ago). Although it looks increasingly likely that India is following the same path we cannot be sure. India may yet turn out to be a mediocre disappointment wheras it is now fairly certain that China is on its way to becoming a world superpower. It would be totally foolish to ignore China and wait for India. We already conduct far more trade with China than we do with India. We make more money out of Chinese students studying at British universities than we do form all of our exports to India combined. There are more weekly direct flights between London and Hong Kong (60 in each direction) than between any other Western and E/SE Asian city. By contrast Calcutta, the great business city of British India, has just 6 flights per week in each direction despite a recent doubling of services. Admittedly there are far more to Bombay and Delhi than Calcutta (though still fewer than Hong Kong or Singapore) and slightly more to India than China overall:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=274254

We also have historical ties with China as well. Britain created Hong Kong and made a huge contribution to making Shanghai China's outward looking business metropolis before WWII - a position the city is trying to recapture today. The British Concession was the first to be established at Shanghai and the British community in Shanghai always outnumbered all of the other foreigners combined. The magnificent Bund waterfront in Shanghai was in the former British Concession (which later merged with the American Concession to form the International Settlement) and all of the great buildings along the Bund were built by British architects Palmer & Turner. You will also find impressive clusters of British colonial architecture on Guangzhou's Shamian Island and in Tianjin too.

There are also cultural ties in other areas. Britain's Chinese community, the largest and longest established in Europe, is Britain's most successful non-white minority and Chinese food was the first foreign cuisine to conquer the British palette in the 1950s (Indian followed in the 1960s). There are still slightly more Chinese restaurants and take-aways today despite claims that Chicken Tikka Masala is our new national dish. In every poll I have conducted on the UK skybar Chinese food has always scored more popularly than Indian food. On the travel poll it seems more of us are curious to visit China than India too.

Recognise that China is more than its non-democratic and media controlling government, more than cultural abuses in Tibet, and has actually made great strides in opening up to the wider world and lifting vast numbers of people out of poverty.

terryfied
November 10th, 2005, 06:45 PM
This is old, but funny.

Excellent. :)

Reminds me of Airplane, Police Squad etc.