Does someone have a ridgey didge list of 150+ metre towers in each major Aussie city as measured to structural top ( ie not including spires/antennas) ranked from top to bottom?

If possible can the lists include all completed and under construction but NOT those that haven't yet started.

Be nice to know how each city stacks up following the recent constuction booms. I'd think Brissie would have closed the gap big time on Syd and Mel.

I'd think that Mel would almost be ahead of Syd now ????

i cant guarantee u the roof height of each building given that i havent gotten out my trundle wheel and abseiled down the side personally. but if u go to emporis it has them all.

i think sydney is still clearly out in front, melbourne has more 200m+ but sydney has more 150m+. brisbane has 6 which is considerably short of syd and mel but out in front of everywhere else. goldcoast has 4, perth has 3.

Brisbane 6 though, is pretty good considering it only had 2 x 150m+ buildings a couple of years ago.

Off the top of my head for Brisbane:

1. Aurora - 207m (U/C)
2. Riparian Plaza - 200m
3. Central Plaza One - 174m
4. Waterfront Place - 162m
5. Skyline Apartments - 160m (U/C)
6. Brisbane Square - 151m (U/C)

why roof heights? if bldg has a spire it should be counted.
When you said roof height , did you mean "roof height" or top of plantroom/LMR height?
if you wanted height to top of plantroom/LMR.ill have to work it out ,take a bit longer. but for now heres spire/structural top list>

SYDNEY
Sydneys first 150m+ scrapers built outside of CBd will soon start at Chatswood. The 2 Interchange towers willr ise 168m & 155m respectively.

23 completed
4 uc
total=27 (not including Sydney tower)

1. completed Chifley Tower commercial office (main usage) shop(s) (side usage) 21 244 m 50 1992
2. completed Citigroup Centre commercial office (main usage) 32 243 m 50 2000
3. completed Deutsche Bank Place commercial office (main usage) 24 240 m 39 2005
4. completed World Tower residential (main usage) 72 230 m 73 2004
5. completed MLC Centre commercial office (main usage) 30 228 m 60 1977
6. completed Governor Phillip Tower commercial office (main usage) 30 227 m 54 1993
7. completed Ernst & Young Tower at Lat.. commercial office (main usage) 22 222 m 45 2004
8. completed Aurora Place commercial office (main usage) 49 219 m 41 2000
9. completed 259 George Street commercial office (main usage) 13 193 m 48 1982
10. completed AMP Centre commercial office (main usage) 18 188 m 45 1976
11. completed Capita Centre commercial office (main usage) 9 183 m 31 1989
12. completed Century Tower residential (main usage) 14 182 m 50 1997
13. completed Grosvenor Place commercial office (main usage) 12 180 m 45 1988
14. completed Australia Square Tower commercial office (main usage) 15 170 m 46 1967
15. completed 1 O’Connell Street commercial office (main usage) 8 166 m 36 1991
16. completed The Peak residential (main usage) 17 166 m 46 1996
17. completed 201 Elizabeth Street commercial office (main usage) 16 164 m 40 1978
18. completed Gateway Plaza commercial office (main usage) 17 164 m 46 1989
19. completed HSBC Centre commercial office (main usage) 15 162 m 37 1988
20. completed The Cove residential (main usage) 12 158 m 45 2003
21. completed Hordern Towers residential (main usage) 10 156 m 48 1999
22. completed Angel Place commercial office (main usage) 12 152 m 35 2000
23. completed Sydney Central commercial office (main usage) 8 152 m 31 1992
----------------------
undercosntruction

1. under construction Meriton Tower residential (main usage) 2 170 m 48 2006
2. under construction Westpac commercial office (main usage) 10 166 m 35 2005
3. under construction Lumiere @ Regent Place residential (main usage) 13 151 m 47 2006
4. under construction Aspect Tower residential (main usage) 14 150 m 42 2006

-----------------------
MELBOURNE
21 completed
5 uc
total=26

# Building Images Height Flrs Year
1. completed 120 Collins Street commercial office (main usage) 12 264 m 52 1991
2. completed 101 Collins Street commercial office (main usage) 14 260 m 50 1991
3. completed Rialto Towers commercial office (main usage) 28 251 m 63 1986
4. completed Bourke Place commercial office (main usage) 10 224 m 51 1991
5. completed Telstra Corporate Building commercial office (main usage) 9 218 m 47 1992
6. completed Melbourne Central Office T.. commercial office (main usage) 22 211 m 53 1991
7. completed Nauru House commercial office (main usage) 10 190 m 50 1977
8. completed Sofitel Hotel, Collins Pla.. commercial office (main usage) hotel (main usage) 6 185 m 50 1981
9. completed ANZ Tower commercial office (main usage) 6 185 m 46 1980
10. completed 385 Bourke Street commercial office (main usage) 5 169 m 43 1983
11. completed 530 Collins Street commercial office (main usage) 15 167 m 40 1991
12. completed Casselden Place commercial office (main usage) 7 166 m 43 1992
13. completed Ernst & Young Plaza commercial office (main usage) residential (main usage) condominium (main usage) shop(s) (side usage) 2 165 m 40 2005
14. completed ANZ World Headquarters commercial office (main usage) 9 162 m 37 1993
15. completed National Bank House commercial office (main usage) 3 161 m 40 1978
16. completed 2 Southbank Boulevard commercial office (main usage) 6 161 m 40 2005
17. completed Royal Domain Tower residential (main usage) 4 154 m 44 2005
18. completed Optus Centre commercial office (main usage) 5 153 m 34 1975
19. completed 140 William Street commercial office (main usage) 6 152 m 41 1972
20. completed Crown Towers hotel (main usage) 27 152 m 43 1997
21. completed 303 Collins St. commercial office (main usage) 2 150 m 30 1973
----------------

uc

1. under construction Eureka Tower residential (main usage) 16 297 m 91 2006
2. under construction Freshwater Place Residenti.. residential (main usage) 3 205 m 63 2005
3. under construction Verve 501 Swanston Tower condominium (main usage) shop(s) (side usage) 2 170 m 45 2006
4. under construction SX Stage 1 commercial office (main usage) 3 163 m 40 2005
5. under construction Urban Workshop Londsdale commercial office (main usage) 1 150 m 34 2005
----------------------------

PERTH
3 completed


# Building Images Height Flrs Year
1. completed Central Park commercial office (main usage) 6 249 m 52 1992
2. completed BankWest Tower commercial office (main usage) 8 214 m 48 1988
3. completed QV1 Tower commercial office (main usage) retail (side usage) 11 163 m 38 1991

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GOLD COAST
2 completed
2 uc
total=4

# Building Images Height Flrs Year
1. completed Q1 Tower condominium (main usage) rental apartments (side usage) 4 323 m 78 2005
2. completed Skyline North Tower residential (main usage) 7 158 m 50 2004
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UC
1. under construction Circle on Cavill (Tower B) residential (main usage) 2 219 m 70 2005
2. under construction Circle on Cavill (Tower A) residential (main usage) 1 158 m 50 2005
--------------------------
BRISBANE
3 compelted
3 uc
total=6

# Building Images Height Flrs Year
1. completed Riparian Plaza commercial office (main usage) residential (main usage) 10 200 m 53 2005
2. completed Central Plaza One commercial office (main usage) 9 174 m 44 1988
3. completed Waterfront Place commercial office (main usage) commercial office (side usage) 14 162 m 40 1989
-------------
UC

1. under construction Aurora residential (main usage) shop(s) (side usage) 5 207 m 69 2006
2. under construction Skyline Apartments residential (main usage) 2 160 m 48 2006
3. under construction Brisbane Square commercial office (main usage) retail (side usage) 2 151 m 36 2006
--------------
summary
So Australia has 52 scrapers over 150m with 14 uc atm.
2006 will see the start of a few more.
2 in Chatswood, 1 in Brisbane, 1 in GC, maybe 1 in Perth.also maybe 1 in syd.

likewise, off the top of my head for Sydney and in no particular order (sorry for no heights)

AMP Centre
Gateway Plaza
Grosvenor Place
Cove Apartments
259 George St
Australia Square
1 O'Connell Place
Governor Phillip Tower
Aurora Place
Chifley Tower
Deutsche Bank Place
Angel Place
Westpac
MLC Centre
Centrepoint Tower
Sydney Central
Hordern Tower
HSBC Centre
2 Park St
201 Elizabeth St
The Peak
Century Tower
Ernst & Young Tower
World Tower

well heres (150m+) roof height or Plantroom/LMR height if you like.
Sydney V Melb is basically 25 each as of now. but lots of southerners might not want Sydney tower included, but cant ignore a 300m tower.
Sydneys massive number of skyscrapers lie between 120M/400-150M/500ft.this number nearly doubles melb count.
Sydney has 59 OVER 120M
MELB has 35 OVER 120
------------------

OVER 150M STATS

Sydney has 21 completed with 3 uc
which totals 24. this isnt incl Sydney tower which should be included to total=25

Melbourne has 23 compelted with 2uc
totals= 25.

GC has 2 completed with 2 uc
totals=4

Perth has 3 completed with 0 uc.

Brisbane has 3 completed with 3 uc
totals=6
---------------------------------------------------

PLANTROOM HEIGHT

SYDNEY
WT-230
MLC-228M
GPT-227M
CHIFL,EY-216M
CITIGROUP-206M
AAP-193M
E&Y-192M
AURORA-188M
AMP-188M
GROSVENOR-180M
CAPITA-153M
CNETURY TOWER-158M
AUSTRALIA SQ-170M
1OCONNELLST-169M
GATEWAY-164
201 ELZ-164M
DEUTSCHEBANK-160M
COVE-158M
PEAK-153M
HSBC-151M
ANGEL PL-151M
UC
MERITON TOWER-151M
WESTPAC-166M
LUMIERE-151M
21 compelted
3 uc
=24
not including sydney tower which has a 277m roof height!

----------------------

MELBOURNE
RIALTO-251M
BOURKE PL-224M
120COLLINS-220M
FWP1-205M
101 COLLINS-195M
MELB CENTRAL-211M
TELSTRA CORP-193M
NAURU-190M
COLLIS PLACE-185M
COLLINS PLACE-185M
ANZ-169M
530COLLINS-167M
CASSELDON-166M
E&Y-165M
SX TOWER-163M
ANZ WHQ-162M
NAB-161M
2SBB-161M
RDT-154M
OPTUS-153M
140WILLIAM-152M
CROWN TOWERS-152M
UWS-150M
UC
EUREKA-297M
VERVE501-155M

-----------------
23 compelted
2 uc
=25
-----------------------
PERTH
CP-226M
BANKWEST-214M
QV1-163M
=3

----------------------
GOLD COAST
Q1-275M
SKYLINE NORTH-158M
UC
COC NORTH-219M
COC SOUTH-158M
=6
--------------------------
BRISBANE
RIPARIAN-200M
CP-174M
WATERFRONT-162M
UC
AURORA-207M
SKYLINE-160M
BRISB SQ-151M
=6

Melbourne and Sydney have a massive number of 150m+ skyscrapers for their size.

I think only The USA, China and Japan (and soon Dubai) have more 150m+ buildings than Australia, which is pretty amazing considering how small Australia is.

i thik its fitting these two scrapers were the first in Aus to eclipse 150m mark.
to think our first 150m+ scraper came in 1967 thanks to harry Seidler (Aussie sq in sydney)

http://members.iinet.net.au/~paulkoh/aussquare.jpg

and 2nd was Yunken & freemans BHP in melb in 72.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-vn3503545-v.jpg

Mr C has shown us all our 2 best 150 towers. Nothing can beat those two.

one day adelaide, one day....

isnt funny how the 3rd tower to reach 150m (1975) is probably our ugliest?

add a a 150m tower for adelaide next yr if everything goes my way.

gee they just removed 3 storeys from 16 bentham st apartments because aircraft authority thought it was too high. 105m is lower then 135m Santos house. I wonder why they lowered a tower that was 30m lower then the tallest?

Wow...

Melb and Sydney almost neck and neck in terms of total (compl + UC) skyscrapers over 150m.

Common Sydney....continue to lead the way!

Common Melbourne pull something new out of your arse. Anything. :D

well heres (150m+) roof height or Plantroom/LMR height if you like.
Sydney V Melb is basically 25 each as of now. but lots of southerners might not want Sydney tower included, but cant ignore a 300m tower.
Sydneys massive number of skyscrapers lie between 120M/400-150M/500ft.this number nearly doubles melb count.
Sydney has 59 OVER 120M
MELB has 35 OVER 120
------------------

OVER 150M STATS

Sydney has 21 completed with 3 uc
which totals 24. this isnt incl Sydney tower which should be included to total=25

Melbourne has 23 compelted with 2uc
totals= 25.


=6

Imo 'Sydney tower' should not be included.

now Australia has 2 towers that DOUBLE the 150m mark.
both iconic designs to boot.
mugley
http://static.flickr.com/32/63154934_065380957f_o.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2058/q1tall0in.jpg

Does someone have a ridgey didge list of 150+ metre towers in each major Aussie city as measured to structural top ( ie not including spires/antennas)

i thought structural height did include antenna's and frilly hats,

that pic of Q1 is awesome. true queensland shot right down to the hot bikini blonde ;)

Thanks for that awesome info Culwulla, I knew you'd come out smokin !!!!

I asked for structural height i.e not spires and antennas coz IMO that's indicative of the impact of a tower in the skyline that's all.

IMO spires and antennas should be considered as a 'garnish only' ! ( although the antennas on top of 120 and 101 Collins might have a case against this because of their sheer impact up there on top of the roof, apart from that spires etc are hardly noticable to the 'commoner', nuff said on that one !).

I find it really interesting that Syd and Mel are STREETS AHEAD of any other Aussie city.

My opinion is that the 277m roof height of Sydney tower should be included given that it has a huge impact on the skyline and needs to be recognised as such.

Thanks guys !

christarrant, it's just called 'roof height', 'structural height' is the term for height to spire not including antenna's, but yeah NSW and VIC have a big lead, but if you lower it to 100m then QLD looks a lot better cos then most of the Gold Coast suddenly ends up in the stats!:P

Is someone willing to compile that list (100m+)?

gotcha Locke, my mistake.

isnt funny how the 3rd tower to reach 150m (1975) is probably our ugliest?
Melbournes's Optus?
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/5071/optus6cn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Probably have to agree with that. Just looking through that list, most of our 150's are not bad at all. 201 Elizabeth would have to be in the running as well though.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2971/201elizabeth9my.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

bingo. hard to believe it was melbournes tallest once.
sirhc8
i havent time to list 100m+
what about just the numbers
heres official structural height list
300FT/90m+
I think the 90m height or 30storeys really gives indication how dense a city is.
note GC has about 50 spread over 7km stretch compared to brisbane which has about same but in a much smaller area 2kmx2km.
Sydney has nearly 120 now and a 90m tower goes up these days virtually unnoticed.even the burbs are getting 90m+ towers. parramatta is getting close with the 84m Escen. Civic place will see atleast 3 towers over 90m high.
Darwin is also getting some biggies.

GC-
51 completed
8 uc

MELBOURNE
76 completed
10 uc

SYDNEY (CBD only)
116 completed
7 uc
NORTH SYDNEY
5 completed
2 uc
CHATWOOD
4 completed
3 uc
ST LEONARDS
2 completed


PERTH
12 completed
0 uc

BRISBANE
43 completed
7 uc

ADELAIDE
4 completed

DARWIN
0 completed
1 uc

How many proposed? I know Sydney at the moment looks to have a nice 4 + 2 at chastwood likely to go up. Then there is EDH which will have at least a couple so it could very well be that sydney gets upto 10 150m+ new buildings. As the space runs out even more, each building looks to be at least one fidy m.

theres so many proposed ,ill post later,
im modelling CUB site atm and theres 1x90m + 2x 110m towers.

Melbournes's Optus?
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/5071/optus6cn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Probably have to agree with that. Just looking through that list, most of our 150's are not bad at all. 201 Elizabeth would have to be in the running as well though.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2971/201elizabeth9my.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The NSW Institute of Technology building in Broadway (not sure what its called now) was the most brutalist building I ever saw. I don't see it on the height lists, btw?

Yep, UTS is less than 150m but possibly the ugliest building in Sydney.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2971/201elizabeth9my.jpg

This is an attrocious image... the building is not nearly as bad in real life IMO. I quite like it actually. Nice, basic and solid.

the UTS tower rises to 123m so doesnt make 150m list. it was only 1 of 3 towers actually built on the large site. the 2nd tower was to be 90m and shortest 60m. eeii.

http://www.ranke-heinemann.de/bilder/uni_foto/uts.jpg

I am not a fan of concrete but i actually like UTS and its brutalist presence. I think blues point tower is more of an eyesore personally - those two ugly TNT towers at redfern aint much better either.

How many proposed? I know Sydney at the moment looks to have a nice 4 + 2 at chastwood likely to go up. Then there is EDH which will have at least a couple so it could very well be that sydney gets upto 10 150m+ new buildings. As the space runs out even more, each building looks to be at least one fidy m.

APPROVED AND PROPOSED 150M+
SYDNEY
A-2
P-1
MELBOURNE
A-6
P-0
BRISBANE
A-2
P-2
PERTH
A-2
P-0
GOLDCOAST
A-2
P-1
CHATSWOOD
A-2

interesting/?
thats 16 approved 500ft+ scrapers to look forward to next few years.
Most are residential towers except Sydney with 2 office bldgs.Melbounes 6 towers only have 1 office tower (559 collins).
were have al the big office tower approvals gone??
time for a change i think.

Whatever happened to corporate ego? :(

Melbournes big office towers are all campus style stuff at docklands. They'll run out of room soon enough doing that though.

Is there anyway this hunk of yuck:

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/5071/optus6cn.jpg

could be refurbed to make it less vomit-inducing?

Recladding with silver reflective glass would do it. All over the concrete slab as well.

And chuck on a spire because they are just sooo inspiring..

Cheers,

Adam

Sydneys future prospects for 1 or 2 large office towers are looking bright in 2006
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=275945&page=2

The good thing about "tall & ugly" scrapers is that they can be turned into "tall & good looking" towers with a bit of new cladding !
Take a look at Nauru House in Melbourne or more recently the work now underway on St Martins in Sydney. Optus in Melb and Pacific Power and UTS should be next for Sydney !!!

heres a little disagram i drew up while watching world cup qualifer.
gives you a better idea of the 150m+ scrapers in Australia

greys =completed
orange=uc
blue-approved (only approvals of 150m+)

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/371/australia150m5km.jpg

heres a little disagram i drew up while watching world cup qualifer.
gives you a better idea of the 150m+ scrapers in Australia

greys =completed
orange=uc
blue-approved (only approvals of 150m+)

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/371/australia150m5km.jpg


Cul, can I ask you what software you use to knock these drawings up with.....it's very impressive, even though I know it's not personal I'd like to say thanks for the effort you put in. Dallas.

i use coreldraw. i draw bldgs fairly quick beacuse i know most of top my head. "sick"
thanks

heres a little disagram i drew up

Just a little diagram??? I would love to see how many buildings are on a really big diagram :-)

ill try for the 90m diagram next.lol

Awesome Cul.
Melbourne and Sydney are a league ahead of the other cities in this. Sydney seems to outspire Melbourne!

That is a sick diagram.
Melbourne and Sydney are streets ahead, I'm suprised its so close b/w the two because when you are in Sydney it seems so much more dense.

^
Because the gap widens when you get down to the 80-150m range.

That is a sick diagram.
Melbourne and Sydney are streets ahead, I'm suprised its so close b/w the two because when you are in Sydney it seems so much more dense.
Yeah probably because theres heaps more towers from the 80 - 150m range in Sydney.

That is a sick diagram.
Melbourne and Sydney are streets ahead, I'm suprised its so close b/w the two because when you are in Sydney it seems so much more dense.
sydney has heap of scrapers in the 90m-150m range.Approx 40 more! thats a small city.lol

see list below\

OVER 90M/300FT

MELBOURNE
76 completed
10 uc

SYDNEY (CBD only)
116 completed
7 uc

awesome diagram, is it to scale?

sure is. thats one thing a make sure of.

^^
Yeah i know. Melbourne really loves it's height though. Raise it 2 200m and it doen't leave much does it. Who wins above 200m cul?

Well according to Cul's figures we've got Syd and Mel on 6 each and Perth/Bris and GC on 2 each.
Perth and GC have brilliant 'conversion rates' i.e of their towers over 150m most of them are 200m + !!!

SYDNEY = 6
SYD TOWER-277
WT-230
MLC-228M
GPT-227M
CHIFL,EY-216M
CITIGROUP-206M

MELBOURNE =6
EUREKA-297M
RIALTO-251M
BOURKE PL-224M
120COLLINS-220M
FWP1-205M
MELB CENTRAL-211M

PERTH = 2
CP-226M
BANKWEST-214M

GOLD COAST = 2
Q1-275M
COC NORTH-219M

BRISBANE =2
RIPARIAN-200M
AURORA-207M

Awesome Cul.
Melbourne and Sydney are a league ahead of the other cities in this. Sydney seems to outspire Melbourne!

Yup nice drawing. In this case tells a million words.

I am so over spires. Almost always little kiddy gimmicks just chucked on otherwise dull boring buildings. Contrived attention-grabbing tacked-on architectural tricks and after thoughts.

A few exceptions exist – Aurora is stunning and the spire is and integral part of that building and its “stunningness”.

wow Mlebourne leads above 200m 6 to 5 over Sydney. Great effort.

I include Sydney Tower's turrret roof which actually makes them equal. :)

i wonder which city will have the guts to build a 200m+ scraper (Sydney-Melbourne)?
sydney has 2 approved big ones are both 188m and both office towers (which currently is in demand), so just short of 200m.
Melb has 223m prima & 200m 368collins st towers approved but there residential. i cant see these getting off ground anytime soon.
time will tell.
meanwhile Brisbane will get Vision, GC will get Soul and Perth will get Parkwesty. ;-)

jees, all our cities look just about the same height in that drawing.... :)

Cul, I don't think its a question of guts for Sydney, its a question of what the stupid council rules will allow.
Take a look at pretty much ALL of the SYD CBD towers now under construction or just built and you will see that they are built to the absolute maximum height limits allow for that site - so its the dumb rules that are preventing talls in Sydney, not so much the developers / landlords !
Sydney would have 30+ 500 footers right now if it weren't for the silly rules.

Residential property prices are going through the floor in Sydney in the moment so it is going to be quite a while efore Sydney gets anything big. Property prices in Melbourne on the other hand have started to rise again so it won't be that long before we see some more towers.

The property market in Melbourne is doing fine while Sydney is in deep shit :-)

that situation could easily reverse itself ya know...

although melbourne is planned in such a way to produce sustainable economic growth (the best kind! )

heres a little disagram i drew up while watching world cup qualifer.
gives you a better idea of the 150m+ scrapers in Australia

greys =completed
orange=uc
blue-approved (only approvals of 150m+)

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/371/australia150m5km.jpg


That is awsome Cul - I love how you make everthing easy for us to relate to by presenting in in a graphical context.

Outstanding!!!

Residential property prices are going through the floor in Sydney in the moment so it is going to be quite a while efore Sydney gets anything big. Property prices in Melbourne on the other hand have started to rise again so it won't be that long before we see some more towers.

The property market in Melbourne is doing fine while Sydney is in deep shit :-)
Melbourne isnt doing fine. There wont be a big resi tower (150m+) for a long time, only small stuff.want to bet on when next big one starts? lol
Just on sydney- Ms moore and councillors are curently trying to end the "living city" adaption which was started in 1994.CBD pop went from 2000 to 30000.
Sydney doesnt want anymore residential towers. what a glut.
What we need now is OFFICE towers which latest figures indicate that 300,000sqm is being sought after!
So lookout for some big ones over next 5 years.Especially on EDH.

Residential property prices are going through the floor in Sydney in the moment so it is going to be quite a while efore Sydney gets anything big. Property prices in Melbourne on the other hand have started to rise again so it won't be that long before we see some more towers.

The property market in Melbourne is doing fine while Sydney is in deep shit :-)

There is a fundamental rule that governs property (or any thing actually) and that is supply and demand. Simply, Sydney will always have a great real estate market simply because it is hemmed in by the Blue Mountains ). The land around that area is owned by the gov and it is upto them when or how they choose to release it (hence demand often outstrips supply. Hence the very expensive prices. If you look at the world's most expensive property it is the same story. London, Tokyo, Osaka (Japan is hemmed in simply due to it's size). Even San Fran was (is still?) more expensive than NYC in the US.

Yes Sydney is doing bad, but why? It is due to the fact that prices have increased immensely since 1990. I remember when you could buy a house in Mosman back in the day for say $200 000 (expensive back then). Now nothing less than 1 mil even in the current market place. That's a 500% increase in 15yrs. The fact that Sydney is now a place many want to live will ensure that prices in the long term will rise still.

It seems funny that people comment on Sydney's market like it is collapsing. Fact is that local and fedral gov have put the brakes on themselves. They worried about overheating and from the prices of Sydney's market i say they were right. Yes it they may have slammed instead of easing the brakes but in the end it was MEAN'T to happen. So again saying Sydney is in deep shit (expensive shit may i add) is way off the mark. It's a much needed rest.

Thanks Cul. I'll look out for the software the next time I'm in Wan Chai.

Syd isn't doing that bad.
In terms of rental vacancy - it is on par with Melb and Bris ( around 2.2% for houses and apartments)- and forecast to be much tighter over the next couple years due to lack of supply.
In terms of house and unit prices - the Syd house price grewby 2.2% in the last quarter and apartments grew by 0.5% !
CBD apartment prices grew by 0.3% (source Laing Simmons) indicating that demand is there.
I don't think there is any significant diff between Syd and Melb - remember there's still 134 unsold apartments in Eureka more than 5 years after going on sale and 219 still for sale in Freshwater Place after 3 years on the market. The Docklands / Southbank oversupply is just as bad as the Green Square / South Sydney oversupply.

Now let's talk about commerical supply and demand, that's much more exciting !!!! :)

Sydney is negative, melbourne is flat and Brisbane is still rising slightly and Sydney will fall more because prices rose by so much more than anywhere else. Find me anyone who disagrees with this assesment of the current residential market.

The market is so bad in sydney they are building towers without even trying to sell any apartments!!!

Who would buy an unfinished Eureka apartment at the moment when you can wait four months and see the completed apartment, same for FWP.

Since Eureka and FWP were launched at least ten other major apartment projects have enough sales to start construction so it's not like they have been the only game in town recently.

Sydney is negative, melbourne is flat and Brisbane is still rising slightly and Sydney will fall more because prices rose by so much more than anywhere else. Find me anyone who disagrees with this assesment of the current residential market.

The market is so bad in sydney they are building towers without even trying to sell any apartments!!!

Who would buy an unfinished Eureka apartment at the moment when you can wait four months and see the completed apartment, same for FWP.

Since Eureka and FWP were launched at least ten other major apartment projects have enough sales to start construction so it's not like they have been the only game in town recently.

:hammer:

Sydney is negative, melbourne is flat and Brisbane is still rising slightly and Sydney will fall more because prices rose by so much more than anywhere else. Find me anyone who disagrees with this assesment of the current residential market.

The market is so bad in sydney they are building towers without even trying to sell any apartments!!!

Who would buy an unfinished Eureka apartment at the moment when you can wait four months and see the completed apartment, same for FWP.

Since Eureka and FWP were launched at least ten other major apartment projects have enough sales to start construction so it's not like they have been the only game in town recently.

I thought most of the negative prices in Sydney are along urban sprawl areas like Baukehelm Hills (sp?) and South West Sydney. Besides, a lot of people still purchase off the plan apartments because it's cheaper and sell fast. Just here in Epping, apartments went like hotcake and all penthouses sold for 1.25 million dollars.

There are also developers who are crazy to relased the apartment prices in early state of development because they can inflate the prices when it's finished. I think that's that Luminere is doing atm.

^ no you have to understand Grollo thinking:

1. Sydney is in trouble because they are building apartments but no one is buying them.
2. Melbourne are building apartments (two of their best) and no one is buying them, but that is a good thing- because it's Melbourne.
3. Sydney prices will fall because they rose so much. Never mind economic fundamentals. What comes up must come down- Ppl in London, NYC and Tokyo are all rejoicing because they are waiting for prices to drop like Grollo says will happen in property (they have only been waiting some 40 yrs!).

It's amazing how a person with 'Developer' as their sign doesn't seem to understand property fundamentals. It seems you do understand Melb vs Syd very well, even to a point were it is ridiculous.

@Milux- it's Baulkham Hills and it isn't urban sprawl. The suburb is very very old (i know that neighbouring Castle Hill is 203yrs old!). Don't know if the prices have dropped as much but it depends on which part of Baulkham Hills your talking about.

Disagree Grollo.
The reason why developers are building apartment towers in the CBD without pre-commitments is because the Sydney apartment market is mature enough and strong enough for them to speculate with some form of certainty and invest the $ and then market them in a year or so when things settle.
The SYdney property market fluctuates more wildly than any other Aussie city but it also leads the way in the demand > supply > development cycles.
If I had the $ to invest into a house right now I'd be doing it in Sydney, no question, it has the best fundamentals of any market- and with prices currently in a lull you would definately get a great ROI in a few years time !
That's my 2c.

^ exaclty it is a buyers market. The best time to buy not the worst! Prices are very good at the moment and there are already signs that they are starting to rise again.

It seems you do understand Melb vs Syd very well, even to a point were it is ridiculous.

read any of Cul's posts in the Vic forum recently?

read any of Cul's posts in the Vic forum recently?
on ya tays at it again?
do you ever post anything worth reading?
this thread is about 150m skyscrapers. what have you posted regarding this?
dont take everything so seriously
its a free forum.
everyones allowed to be opinionated.
even mods.

the topic of conversation got onto the underlying fuckery that plagues this forum, you don't honestly think it's all one way do you? I simply pointed out a relevant observation to refute a claim that was made.

but then again, on the topic of 150m towers why didn't you answer christarrant's original question, which was:

Does someone have a ridgey didge list of 150+ metre towers in each major Aussie city as measured to structural top ( ie not including spires/antennas) ranked from top to bottom?

instead you replied with a whole load of gumpf with your own stats which are obviously skewed to a way that sees you, or....... more to the point, Sydney, 'win':

why roof heights? if bldg has a spire it should be counted.
When you said roof height , did you mean "roof height" or top of plantroom/LMR height?
if you wanted height to top of plantroom/LMR.ill have to work it out ,take a bit longer. but for now heres spire/structural top list>

SYDNEY
Sydneys first 150m+ scrapers built outside of CBd will soon start at Chatswood. The 2 Interchange towers willr ise 168m & 155m respectively.

23 completed
4 uc
total=27 (not including Sydney tower)

1. completed Chifley Tower commercial office (main usage) shop(s) (side usage) 21 244 m 50 1992
2. completed Citigroup Centre commercial office (main usage) 32 243 m 50 2000
3. completed Deutsche Bank Place commercial office (main usage) 24 240 m 39 2005
***snip***

Last time I looked, that wasn't a roof sitting at 240m above Castlereagh street, so you didn't answer the original question, instead you answered it with your opinion..

now why is your opinion skewed in that way? you're just playing it by 'emporis' book? or you just want to give Sydney a good old civic boost just cos you can manipulate stats in such a way? I'm guessing it's the latter going by your remarks here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=6236169&postcount=103).

definitely not a one way street zulu.

and you don't need to tell me that mods are allowed an opinion cul - that was one of the main problems you and others had with me when I was a fucking mod for crying out loud.

give me a fucking break.

on ya tays at it again?
do you ever post anything worth reading?
this thread is about 150m skyscrapers. what have you posted regarding this?
dont take everything so seriously
its a free forum.
everyones allowed to be opinionated.
even mods.
Hey, have an opinion if you want, but don't claim to be unbiased....and it'd be better off if you didn't come into threads in the Vic forum and try to denigrate us...

Can we please leave the politics out of it? Can we just agree to disagree?

Well maybe I put it the wrong way. What I meant was there are many commentators at the moment that think the Sydney market is going to be facing tough times in the short term, Aussie Home Loans managing director John Symond being the most well known.

Many commentators said this about the Melbourne market about three years ago, in fact they predicted even worse, they predicited a major bust in both the commerical and residential property markets in Melbourne would happen by 2004.

They were wrong, completely wrong. But some people, especially interstate, still think that Melbourne is in the middle of the property bust that never happened!

So I dont think that Sydney will really be in 'deep shit' :-), just that prices will fall further in the short term and Melbourne is recovering sooner so shouldn't be put in exactly the same basket as Sydney.

Vacancy reates for recently completed inner city aprtments (Dockalnds, Southbank, CBD) are only 3.7% and that's after more high rise apartments in Docklands, Southbank and the CBD being completed in the past four years than in the previous 40!

They were wrong, completely wrong. But some people, especially interstate, still think that Melbourne is in the middle of the property bust that never happened!

So I dont think that Sydney will really be in 'deep shit' :-), just that prices will fall further in the short term and Melbourne is recovering sooner so shouldn't be put in exactly the same basket as Sydney.


It was bound to happen anyhow. I remember back 2-3 years ago when The Economist predicted that Sydney housing is 30% over-valued and series of 'correction' will occur to bring down the property inflation. Economist is correct, and it's gonna go down when RBA lists the cash rate by another 0.25 basis point.

I'm not too worried about it anyways. Will be getting a property when housing price has finally reached the bottom trough of the housing cycle.

I'm not too worried about it anyways. Will be getting a property when housing price has finally reached the bottom trough of the housing cycle.

I said that in about shares and propoerty in 1997 - LOL.

Ended up buying property in 2002 and don't regret. I'm not making a killing yet and there's been a huge opportunity cost (that 6-month's off to go around the world is looking as distant as ever). But, it is a fantastic property in top location that i will still be very happy to own in 10 years time.

If one is going to play the markets for short term advantage, you had better be an expert knowing what you are doing. If like most of us you do not, you will still do well if you make sound decisions but with a longer term outlook.

Hey, have an opinion if you want, but don't claim to be unbiased....and it'd be better off if you didn't come into threads in the Vic forum and try to denigrate us...
denigrate? silly.
anyway "shakes head" vic forums, qld forums, nsw forums ect are ALL allowed to "come into". please dont think beacuse people dont live in melb that you cant post in vic forums. segregation
grow up!

the topic of conversation got onto the underlying fuckery that plagues this forum, you don't honestly think it's all one way do you? I simply pointed out a relevant observation to refute a claim that was made.

but then again, on the topic of 150m towers why didn't you answer christarrant's original question, which was:



instead you replied with a whole load of gumpf with your own stats which are obviously skewed to a way that sees you, or....... more to the point, Sydney, 'win':



Last time I looked, that wasn't a roof sitting at 240m above Castlereagh street, so you didn't answer the original question, instead you answered it with your opinion..

now why is your opinion skewed in that way? you're just playing it by 'emporis' book? or you just want to give Sydney a good old civic boost just cos you can manipulate stats in such a way? I'm guessing it's the latter going by your remarks here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=6236169&postcount=103).

definitely not a one way street zulu.

and you don't need to tell me that mods are allowed an opinion cul - that was one of the main problems you and others had with me when I was a fucking mod for crying out loud.

give me a fucking break.
your a goose tays
all emporis info is accurate and official.

^^^

A bit of competition is good as long as it is in good spirit. Cul it must be frustrating to a point to be in boomtown Sydney yet most of the constuction up there is mediocre except for a few beauties i.e Chifley, World Tower. The restrictions on height must surely be frustrating and if there was no limit I have no doubt in my mind that Sydney would have at least a 400m tower somewhere in the CBD. I know you think it would look silly but remeber Melbourne in 81 when Collins Place was completed at top of Collins street. It looked kind off odd but as the area at the top of the hill grew and surpassed that benchmark the towers started looking more in place and now are dwarfed by others in the area. I expect that the height limit will be lifted one day and when a 450m beauty is announced in Sydney you will be the first on this site to mock us and our petty 300m tower in Melbourne.

^Sydney is now home to proably Australia's finest offcie tower- DUETSCHEBANK!
and thats not be biased. everyone that has visited it inside and out has said what a fine structure it is. way ahead of anything else.its 150m atrium with zooming lift shafts are incredible.
I wish our height limit will be lifted but the 330m above sea level is enforced by CASA not council so thus the reason Sydney towers tip is 327m above sea level. The skyscraper height of 235m is enforced by council with option of spire or architectural feature to add up to 40m to overall height of 270m+.
who knows when Sydney will get its next height limit scraper or even higher on state Gov EDH site where height limit is 300m not 235m.

^Sydney is now home to proably Australia's finest offcie tower- DUETSCHEBANK!
and thats not be biased. everyone that has visited it inside and out has said what a fine structure it is. way ahead of anything else.its 150m atrium with zooming lift shafts are incredible.
I wish our height limit will be lifted but the 330m above sea level is enforced by CASA not council so thus the reason Sydney towers tip is 327m above sea level. The skyscraper height of 235m is enforced by council with option of spire or architectural feature to add up to 40m to overall height of 270m+.
who knows when Sydney will get its next height limit scraper or even higher on state Gov EDH site where height limit is 300m not 235m.

Yeah, SUPRARZPOWER’s thread was a bit of a toss. I don’t want get all elitist, but its not Chifley or World tower that gets all the architects excited. It’s the likes of Aurora, Deutschebank and the Seidler towers that get the respect.

Sorry, but height, flashy glass, and after-thought spires do not equal architectural integrity.

I said that in about shares and propoerty in 1997 - LOL.

Ended up buying property in 2002 and don't regret. I'm not making a killing yet and there's been a huge opportunity cost (that 6-month's off to go around the world is looking as distant as ever). But, it is a fantastic property in top location that i will still be very happy to own in 10 years time.

If one is going to play the markets for short term advantage, you had better be an expert knowing what you are doing. If like most of us you do not, you will still do well if you make sound decisions but with a longer term outlook.

My family always looks in a long-term projection anyhow. We buy farms at Coominya, West of Brisbane and start a fully functional farm there to export overseas. Then there are other investments like completely purchasing corner pub/hotel South of Brisbane. What really enticed us to invest in QLD instead of NSW is the co-operation of the QLD gov't, incentives and less red tapes to start a buisness. It is amazing how hard to purchase farms in regional NSW and how long it takes to start running along with contracts, beaurocractic crap and etc.

denigrate? silly.
anyway "shakes head" vic forums, qld forums, nsw forums ect are ALL allowed to "come into". please dont think beacuse people dont live in melb that you cant post in vic forums. segregation
grow up!
You DO denigrate Victoria, or attempt to when you manipulate stats and information in such a way as to make Sydney seem like the king of all cities - and you KNOW you do it in the Vic forum, so don't act all innocent. No one is saying you can't visit whatever forum you like, just don't come in and shit-stir. It's not about growing up or anything, and I bet you'd be mighty pissed off if someone did the same in your NSW forum...and it's not just me, a lot of forummers notice what you do and dislike it.

^bullshite.
i never manuipulate or give misinformation!
must say arunava, you seem to love an arguement.you never post anything else excepts criticise.what dont you post something about a 150m scraper instead? remember it s a tall bldg forum.or even start a thread on a skyscraper or something.

All of us know every building in the 150m+ club in every city, we all know which ones have spires that might push the height over 150m. So really its not a big deal that Cul gave accurate info, cos if you dont like it you can just ignore those buildings that you dont consider to be involved, rather than carrying on the same old arguments.

And in Culs defence, personally Ive never known Cul to be anything but fair regardless of the conversation. He certainly has never stirred anything up in the Qld forums.

^bullshite.
i never manuipulate or give misinformation!


Some might say you saying Seidler makes a positive contribution to Aussie CBD skylines is misinformation ;)

(PS, i woudn't though - Seidler's responsible for 5 out of Sydney's 10 best)

I'm not too worried about it anyways. Will be getting a property when housing price has finally reached the bottom trough of the housing cycle.

Could you please let me know when this happens too. Along with the when the sharemarket bottoms out and next weeks tattslotto numbers.
Ta.

Some might say you saying Seidler makes a positive contribution to Aussie CBD skylines is misinformation ;)

(PS, i woudn't though - Seidler's responsible for 5 out of Sydney's 10 best)
yes harryS has some good ones, some bad ones and some even worse ones.
ive always wondered hat would sydney's seidler landmarks would look like if Seidler was chosen as architect.
maybe we might find out. he has finished with architecture since stroke.

What's going on with that second line Cul? :dunno:

Could you please let me know when this happens too. Along with the when the sharemarket bottoms out and next weeks tattslotto numbers.
Ta.

Sorry - he's just signed an exclusive contract with me.

What's going on with that second line Cul? :dunno:

I think he means if Seidler wasn't chosen

Well, if it mean Foster or Piano get more work here then Seidler's retirement would no longer be too hard.

Ok ok ok, to settle these disputes why don't we all meet in Albury-Wodonga ( neutral territory) and have a Melb vs Syd no-holds-barred 'Fight Club' style kick boxing bout. The headline fight will be tayser vs Culwulla. I wanna see tayser use the 'Port Melbourne' squirrel grip on Cul and then Cul come out with the old classic Central Coast 'ring schtinger' on tays. FOX Sports should cover it. :)

What's going on with that second line Cul? :dunno:
what would the seidler bldgs that were built in 70's and 80's be like if seidler didnt design them. ie- would MLC be an 8 sided tower? would australia square be round? ect

wow, i've said it before, but this forum brings out the worst in people, me no exception...here's my 2 cents worth...Tayser...you are a FUCKWIT WANKER. Cul, you are a legend. And I'm from Melbourne. Ban me, I don't give a shit, I'm over you lot.

and have a Melb vs Syd no-holds-barred 'Fight Club' style kick boxing bout. The headline fight will be tayser vs Culwulla. Does this mean Cul and Tays are the same person? Freaking multiple personallies. I believe the only cure is for him to shoot himself in the neck.

MLC looked so majestic and "white" back in 77. actualy looks ok.
40m clear of any other scraper in oz.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/663/mlccentre1rm.jpg

the 445m CBD1 planned on site of seidlers COVE tower. back in late80's

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7606/cbd19fe.jpg

what would the seidler bldgs that were built in 70's and 80's be like if seidler didnt design them. ie- would MLC be an 8 sided tower? would australia square be round? ect

Like huh? What does a Seidler building look like that's not designed by Seidler? Too many Friday night beers Cul?

Here are some more: what would Beethoven's 9th symphony sound like if it was not written by Beethoven? What would a Merc look like that wasn't built by Mercedes Benz. What would Sydney look like if it wasn't Sydney? Alice Springs maybe? I too often wonder what how someone else would write a Beatles song if not the Beeatles - but that's an easy answer, it's an Oasis song.

;)

ok - i get it now.

the 445m CBD1 planned on site of seidlers COVE tower. back in late80's

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7606/cbd19fe.jpg

^Always Sydney, eh Cul?? :)
Nah seriously, perhaps I was a bit too strong, and I apologise. I do argue too much (but that's because I rarely post unless I see something that pisses me off),and although I do feel sometimes you're pushing Sydney a bit in Vic threads which gets them off-topic and such, you still do excellent work around here keeping us all up to date on 'scrapers.

LoL. Anton, i think ya just over carrying his statement.

Well you can always get a "generic" version. like a generic drug.

I remember my parent's 1986 edition of World Book under "Skyscraper". It listed the world's 20 tallest and there was MLC at no. 19 and the only non-North American building (there was 1 Canadian, the rest were of course US).

As for the picture, MLC IMO was best viewed up close or in the complex rather than from a distance. Although better from a distance than MLC, the best views of Australia Square and Riverside are also up close.

MLC looked so majestic and "white" back in 77. actualy looks ok.
40m clear of any other scraper in oz.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/663/mlccentre1rm.jpg

On completion, there were adds on TV viewed from helicopter quoting MLC as the "worlds tallest reinforced concrete office building". but i think it was 2nd ,as the 262m Watertower place in chicago was complete in 75.oh well 2nd isnt too bad.
cheers guys

read any of Cul's posts in the Vic forum recently?

Well lets look at your condescending remarks! I was just reading one in the transport forum! Your a know it all - and please stop putting down Cul - he has done amazing work on this forum - giving us all vital information -I just wish it could drown out your crap

Its amazing how you put down every other city or compare other cities unfavorably to Melbourne. You have stated on numerous occasions that you haven’t even ventured out of Victoria.

I know exactly why your putting Cul down! You want him to go down your track, losing your position as mod! Unfortunately for you Tayser, Cul is popular and he speaks fact, unlike your record!

^^^

A bit of competition is good as long as it is in good spirit. Cul it must be frustrating to a point to be in boomtown Sydney yet most of the constuction up there is mediocre except for a few beauties i.e Chifley, World Tower. The restrictions on height must surely be frustrating and if there was no limit I have no doubt in my mind that Sydney would have at least a 400m tower somewhere in the CBD. I know you think it would look silly but remeber Melbourne in 81 when Collins Place was completed at top of Collins street. It looked kind off odd but as the area at the top of the hill grew and surpassed that benchmark the towers started looking more in place and now are dwarfed by others in the area. I expect that the height limit will be lifted one day and when a 450m beauty is announced in Sydney you will be the first on this site to mock us and our petty 300m tower in Melbourne.

Hey if Sydney keeps getting buildings like 126 Phillip Street - i say keep the 235m height limit! - at least Sydney builds creative buildings and avoid building 295 - 300m crap!

Hey if Sydney keeps getting buildings like 126 Phillip Street - i say keep the 235m height limit! - at least Sydney builds creative buildings and avoid building 295 - 300m crap!

Touchdown!

I'm going to punch the first person to bite in the face.

I'm going to punch the first person to bite in the face.


Huh?

I know exactly why your putting Cul down! You want him to go down your track, losing your position as mod! Unfortunately for you Tayser, Cul is popular and he speaks fact, unlike your record!

Whilst i agree that Cul does do an amazing job on this forum , zach, i gotta say, after reading most of your posts including the one above, you are a dead set moron!
:bash:

Whilst i agree that Cul does do an amazing job on this forum , zach, i gotta say, after reading most of your posts including the one above, you are a dead set moron!
:bash:

likewise!

what would the seidler bldgs that were built in 70's and 80's be like if seidler didnt design them. ie- would MLC be an 8 sided tower? would australia square be round? ect

Yeah thanks for clearing that up. I was thinking along the same lines as Anton... maybe you had sunk down a few too many. ;)

likewise!

It's good to see you know you are a moron :-)

It's good to see you know you are a moron :-)
:lol:

the 445m CBD1 planned on site of seidlers COVE tower. back in late80's

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7606/cbd19fe.jpg

I think that if this was built Sydney's focus would be on one building rather than the entire skyline. Although this proposal was tall, it would ruin Sydney's skyline! Just my view though.

The thing I like about Sydney's skyline is that its not focused on one building and most of the buildings complement each other.

Looking at that pic you can see how small North Sydney was in the late 1980's! Things sure have changed!

wow, i've said it before, but this forum brings out the worst in people, me no exception...here's my 2 cents worth...Tayser...you are a FUCKWIT WANKER. Cul, you are a legend. And I'm from Melbourne. Ban me, I don't give a shit, I'm over you lot.

LOL - usually we just PM each other when we talk about Tayser that way, I guess now he's been sacked as mod we can say what we like:D

As for Siedler, I know many of us hate him, I actually am a big fan. My favorite Seidler Buildings such as Aussie Square, MLC, Grosvenor Place and now Riparian are great towers and will not date unlike many other towers going up at present.

I agree im a fan! Riparian is amazing - i love the view from riverside centre. the second part of the building looks like it has been shifted forward from the base

LOL - usually we just PM each other when we talk about Tayser that way, I guess now he's been sacked as mod we can say what we like:D

As for Siedler, I know many of us hate him, I actually am a big fan. My favorite Seidler Buildings such as Aussie Square, MLC, Grosvenor Place and now Riparian are great towers and will not date unlike many other towers going up at present.

tays was a mod?!? im glad i kept my mouth shut :)

anyway, im not really sure whats going on with all that, and im sure this topic will be swept away mighty quickly, so i'll get back to topic.

MLC looks better standing by itself imo, mmmm ;)

Looking at that pic you can see how small North Sydney was in the late 1980's! Things sure have changed!

lol - those taller buildings to the left of the bridge are Milson's Point. North Sydney proper is further up to the left out of the picture. There's actually been relatively very little develpment since that photo was taken around 87/88.

oh true my mistake :)

as you can tell im relatively new to sydney!

as you can tell im relatively new to sydney!

Yup - clearly sometime after 1988 anyway ;)

I think tayser's done a 'Mark Latham' and gone a bit loopy.....

In all seriousness Culwulla loves Sydney and that is clear in his posts however to criticise him for being nasty / condescending / overtly biased is probably a bit tough.

Culwulla is the 'Mark Schwartzer' of these forums ( i.e rated as one of the best contributers both internationally and Oz forum ) so there will be alot of people who will spring to his defense regardless of where they're from.

So Cul saved a ball from hitting the forums?

http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery2/m336.jpg

^^ looks like Arnie posing during the 1980 Mr Olympia which was held in Sydney. Arnie won his 7th Mr 'O' title.

In all seriousness Culwulla loves Sydney and that is clear in his posts however to criticise him for being nasty / condescending / overtly biased is probably a bit tough.


therein lies yours and many other people's problem spaz, you don't realise there's two sides to a person when they're in the mod game - the person with a moderator's cap on and one with a member's cap on - it's that distinction which other normal members have trouble drawing the line between (for XYZ reason which invariably comes down to regional lines in the context of this forum) and it's also a problem for the mods themselves when they're inexperienced, surrounded by yes-men and they tell themselves they're doing a good job because they have a higher degree of content knowledge when that has very little to do with management.

so no it's not tough - I just have a different perspective - one that wasn't acknowledged at the time and still isn't and probably never will be, I dealt with it by removing my own admin access and believe me when I tell you this, you have no idea how refreshing it is not having to care about running this joint anymore ;)

my ass, i think you had a control problem, were and still are a complete asshole..

yes big arnie made a comeback after a 5 year lay off.wins his 7th olympia title at 33.
he loves sydney and australia. im sure arnie was best man at former mr oz paul grahams wedding.

http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery2/m336.jpg

Hey - that illustrates my earlier point about the skylines never really looking much taller. Ie, AMP Centre now looks a lot smaller than it did then. BUT, then it looked no shorter than the taller GPT does now. (i think it was this thread i discussed this earlier!).

By the way - i love Sydney's sandstone - pity more of it wasn't left exposed closer to the city. But it's such a great visual contributor to the harbour and places like Pittwater but is rarely acknowledged. "It's Really Really So Sydney".

For the record, most of what Tayser says is correct but, in truth, he is just stating what I thought was obvious. I guess a lot of people on this forum are more closeted and naive than I thought.

For the record, most of what Tayser says is correct but, in truth, he is just stating what I thought was obvious. I guess a lot of people on this forum are more closeted and naive than I thought.

His posts are highly politically charged. No, that doesn't mean they are not well-considered, well-informed and hence valid, but we can hardly say they are "correct" or objective "truth".

One problem i have with "some" is that every political discussion must be blindy pushed through the prism of the party line or a-one-size-fits-all-issues political ideaology. It's like people are blindy barracking for (or against for that matter) a football team who can do nothing wrong. Ie, :"**king Tories this"or "f**king Greenies". So predictable. People on both sides should THINK more. It's not about the preferred team or the dogma.

Yeah, many people are closeted and hence niave. But people often blindly say others are naive when they don't agree with their own "correct" opinion.

I'm not talking in general, just this thread. In general, of course they're politically charged. I, on many occasions, don't agree with him but his opinion is his opinion and I don't see it as any more outrageous or forceful than anyone else's on this forum. People always complain, but I can never see the problem. If you don't agree, offer a counter argument.

I'm not talking in general, just this thread.


Sure - and i was by no means aiming my last post specifically at you (or even Tayser for that matter).


In general, of course they're politically charged. I, on many occasions, don't agree with him but his opinion is his opinion and I don't see it as any more outrageous or forceful than anyone else's on this forum.


No - not outrageous - often good IMO - just predictable - lol. :) No offence intended, Tayser - really - your posts whether i agree or not make a more beneficial contribution to the forums than many others (most others dare i say). Now i feel guilty for picking on him.


People always complain, but I can never see the problem. If you don't agree, offer a counter argument.

Yes, a counter argument with reason that specifically addresses the arguements and reasoning of the person you don't agree with. I am so bored of mindless shouting over the top of each other with little regard for what the other is actually saying. (no, tayser, not you - you don't do this inmy experience ;) )

Don't count spires. Here are all 150m+ complete, u/c, app, prop.

SYDNEY---28 BUILDINGS

World Tower
MLC Centre
Governor Phillip Tower
Chifley Tower
Citigroup Centre
AAPT Centre
Latitude World Square
Aurora Place
33 Bligh Street
John Boyd Tower
AMP Centre
Grosvenor Place
Australia Square
Westpac Towers
201 Elizabeth Street
Gateway Plaza
Deutsche Bank
Deutsche Bank Place
Century Tower
Capita Centre
Cove Apartments
1 O'Connell Street
The Peak
Angel Place
Village Tower
Lumiere @ Regent Place
HSBC Centre
Bathurst Street Tower

MELBOURNE---30 BUILDINGS

Eureka Tower
Rialto Towers
Bourke Place
Prima on Southbank
120 Collins Street
Melbourne Central
Freshwater Place North Residential
368 Little Collins Street
101 Collins Street
Telstra Corporate Building
Nauru House
Sofitel Hotel
ANZ Tower
Shangri La Hotel
559-587 Collins Street
385 Bourke Street
530 Collins Street
Casselden Place
Ernst & Young Plaza
Southern Cross Eastern Office Tower
ANZ World HQ
National Bank House
2 Southbank Boulevard
Verve 501
Royal Domain Tower
Optus Centre
140 William Street
Crown Towers
Yarras Edge 8
Urban Workshop Lonsdale

BRISBANE---11 BUILDINGS

Vision
Aurora Tower
Riparian Plaza
549 Queen Street
480 Queen Street
Central Plaza 1
The Domaine
Waterfront Place
Skyline Apartments
545 Queen Street
Brisbane Square

PERTH---4 BUILDINGS

Bankwest
Parkwest Towers
Central Park
QV1



NO. OF BUILDINGS OVER 150m

CLASS A----SYDNEY, MELBOURNE
CLASS B----BRISBANE
CLASS C----
CLASS D----PERTH

^ brisbane, useless putting in proposals. most dont happen for years. approvals are more apropriate
heres the diagram i did which gives good indication
its back on 2nd page.
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/371/australia150m5km.jpg

What about the Gold Coast!

Built or approved below (to roof over 150m):

Q1
Soul
Circle on Cavill A
Circle on Cavill B
Skyline North
Dolphin Tower A
The Oracle Tower A
Transit Centre Tower (not technically proposed yet but a dead cert to hit 150 at least, probably twice that actually).

whats the oracle?

These one's here, probably just over 150m the biggest one
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=225133&page=3

^ brisbane, useless putting in proposals. most dont happen for years. approvals are more apropriate
heres the diagram i did which gives good indication
its back on 2nd page.
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/371/australia150m5km.jpg

Gee - the Gold Coast like their pointy tops.

yes, the gold coast had basically white balconied flat tops from 60s-90;s. The first to stray from the norm was the flamboyant 43storey Grand Mariner.
http://www.burchillpartners.com.au/b-grand.jpg
since then architects have been using there imagination bit more.
Raptis group was the first to push a tower past the 150m mark with the 50storeu Skyline north.

http://www.raptisgroup.com.au/images/img_chevron_1.jpg

so no it's not tough - I just have a different perspective - one that wasn't acknowledged at the time and still isn't and probably never will be, I dealt with it by removing my own admin access and believe me when I tell you this, you have no idea how refreshing it is not having to care about running this joint anymore ;)

Good to see you've dealt with all your issues then tayser and that you are 'refreshed' as you say by not having to 'run this joint' anymore. We are certainly indebted to you for this. You have certainly dealt with the dire predicament of your 'different perspective' with grace and integrity and this has garned much respect from all forumers, which is a testimony to the man you are and the future you have when facing other similar situtations. You are a visionary who has a completely unbiased and objective mind. Certainly you are the victim in all this and your nose is clean.....joking ofcourse. :weirdo:

Reminds me, I never got around to asking! How did a 20s/30s-something man from Renmark via Adelaide become a teenager who moved to Sydney after his parents split up all of a sudden? Or has the biggest con-artist in OzScrapers history suddenly changed his story again?

:weirdo: indeed.

Leave tayser alone.

You have NO IDEA what it is like to be a moderator.

I do and it's tough.

Not allowed to express an opinion and having to put up with bullshit like that.

It's a thankless task.

Cheers,

Adam

guys guys!
150m skyscrapers!!!! remember
perth took its to get a scraper that was higher then 500ft.
some come close in the 1970's but wasnt til 1988 when they not only got a 500fter but a 700footer.! 3rd tallest skyscraper in the country at the time!!

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/perth14.jpg

Reminds me, I never got around to asking! How did a 20s/30s-something man from Renmark via Adelaide become a teenager who moved to Sydney after his parents split up all of a sudden? Or has the biggest con-artist in OzScrapers history suddenly changed his story again?
:weirdo: indeed.

Good to see you're getting all the dirty water off your chest in my 150m tower thread. Strongly recommend counselling to work through your issues, plus anger management and maybe a girlfriend.
Your old chestnut about my supposed identity is as tiring as a breach birth, not to mention stupid. Must admit it's a little worrying why you're so infatuated with me ( internet stalking is a real issue these days).

Now, far more importantly, where do I have to go to get 150m+ towers ( not spire/antennas) for the other world cities ? Be good to post it all into the international forums, that'll really stir the pot with the Toronto gits. ;)

Hong Kong is new king of most over 150m at 212.+ 44 uc
NYC comes 2nd with 194 !+ 8uc
no doubt Dubai will catching up with 16 officially over 150m but with approx 50 x 150m+ uc atm!

That is insane.
Surely Syd and Melb would be in the top 15 cities in the world, maybe even scrape into top 10, on this measure though?

Hong Kong is new king of most over 150m at 212.+ 44 uc
NYC comes 2nd with 194 !+ 8uc
no doubt Dubai will catching up with 16 officially over 150m but with approx 50 x 150m+ uc atm!

Good on Hong Kong. What do you mean the new king. Apart from the obvious 1 or 2 super talls, has there been a large number built in the last few years?

yes, NYC has long reigned as no 1 with the most skyscrapers (over 500ft) since 1930;s. wasnt until last year when HK caught up with there cloned unit blocks.

yer i recun they should take houses in NY to consideration, all those apartment blocks shouldnt really count !

have to add another 150m+ tower to GC count. The 50st/160m Oracle tower was approved last week.
the tallest of the twins is op beach.

http://www.real-estate-australia.com.au/agts/249/x2_1133218121.jpg

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/371/australia150m5km.jpg

Goes to show that cul is correct and that 90m (300ft) buildings tells your density better becuase look at Melbourne V Sydney in 150m stakes.