okay i went into the westpoint site [www.westpoint.com.au]
and looked at the cinema city page and the offer not currently available thing has gone and you can view the memordorium again !! hopefully this isn't an error and this 97m hotel/apartment building is back in business !!! i hope its more successful this time

some info from the info thing

- 23 levels 8 hotel and 15 apartments
- 340 hotel rooms and apartment [big hope perth can support that many] 204 hotel rooms & 136 residential apartments
-$62million needed to fund it

I'd say Westpoint is trying to get business of the Convention Center when its complete.

GREAT NEWS! this is probably my second fav proposal (behind icon of course) and i rekon it would seriously do wonders for that part of the city. it would be close to barracks square too. that area could be very classy in a few years!

mike

the project will also include digital display screens displaying artwork etc...

Will this project include redevelopment of that old blue painted part of Cinema City on Barrack St?

Hey Guys...has work begun on this????I went past quickly yesterday and it seem to be partly covered like some type of work going on!??Anyone got any info on this?

@Nzer..If it's the building I think u are talking about is on the corner of Barrack and Murray...Its a separate building, not part of Cinema City.

they have to finance the project, then pre sell a certain amount of units before constructuction will start, in my email the said mid year

Hopefully they'll put out a better rendering of this tower,like Barrack Plaza.The current one looks like someone drew some lines along a square then coloured in the lines.

rocstar do you mean scafolding ? is it on the cinema city building ?
maybe the cinemas are being upgraded ?

the rendering looks fine to me
http://www.westpoint.com.au/pictures/CinemaCity/CinemaElev.jpg

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It wasn't as much as in scaffolding...from what I can remember from that brief moment, it was more like ply wood sealing off part of the building along Barrack st. I really didn't get a good look.

I also like the rendering, Barrack Plaza has to much concrete.:)

i just got back from a fast drive around the city
the ANZ building on the crn of barrack and murray street is blocked of by a metal fence. its the only shop with this. not sure if this is a seperate small re-furbishment, or they are slowly closing down all the shops for the redevelopment. one of the other shops was closed aswell but no fenced off. i guess we will have to wait and see

Do you think it's part of the Malls upgrade?

no its on the north east side, ie cinema city....
and the council don't own it

Oops.I was thinking of William Street,I know where you mean now!!!Cinema City and Barrack plaza are going to be great for the skyline looking from the North.Let's hope more proposals come up for Barrack Street;)

Marketing starts in March 2003, construction scheduled for June:)

So marketing is already slightly delayed......

have they funded it yet ? hopefully its more successful than paragon apartment were

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Oh yes......this is one baby I definitely want to go ahead.:banana: :banana: :banana:.itswell over due in that part of town.:bleep:

wouldn't the cinema have to be upgraded first ? i wish i was abit older so i could go to sales office's and have them taking me seriously:) any ones who's older mirvac fini have their WA HQ opposite QV1 on hay street, and cape bouvard next to chifley hotel on the terrace

Yes that's the work which will go ahead first. It stands a good chance of going ahead largely because of the fact that there are only 15 levels of apartments.

Paragon is just a rubbish development - the apartments are really tiny and the views are terrible (apart from some at the top). Also you have to pay $400 per month for a car bay in one of the city car parks. Anyone know what the parking situation is going to be with Cinema City? Maybe there's some information in the Info. Memorandum.

maybe westpoint needed some time to learn the perth market with paragon ? hopefully it doesen't scare of funders for their future developments. paragon still managed to sell 60% of the 150 or some units. being such a car crazy city even in CBD projects you have to provide parkings.

I've looked at the Cin City IM and there is no indication that parking will be available. I guess it will be difficult if the development is based on top of an existing structure? F**k.

i will have a look at the development application on the city of perth website and let you know if theres parking involved. they would have to be thick not to learn from their mistakes

just had a read on the minutes and there is no plans for additional parking, they will refurbish the current underground carpark...

Yes and I emailed Westpoint last week about parking - no response.

I think we can reduce the chances of this going ahead to about 10% bearing in mind the history of this and slightly skanky location. (that info I got last week about marketing starting in March is only what appears in the IM, and don't forget last time round they said that marketing would start last year!)

Statton on Murray has parking, and that's sold well. Not sure about Barrack Plaza.

PS I wonder if any of these companies read this website!

this is what you said a few month ago maybe they are still sticking to that time to start marketing ??

"OK, Westpoint say that Cinema City will definitely go ahead. It is due to be launched in June/July. There may be up to 300 apts and hotel apts. Apparently the standard will be very high and there will be resident parking. It will reach 97m."

Westpoint really need a kick in the ass!!

They're haven't even started on their "Portico" project here in Sydney, and they've been marketing it forever!

I just read in an article the other day that they have "brought forward the construction process for Portico" - which makes me wonder when they were intending to start construction in the first place, because its been a long time already! :rant:

Yes they seem to be all over the place!

Chris, thanks for reminding me of what I said. So I must have asked them in person whether there would be parking and they must have said yes. Maybe they will arrange for free near-site parking or something.

We'll just have to wait until June I guess. I'll give them a call when I get back to Perth.

the area with the fencing has turned out not to be the first phase of development, but a new McDonalds store as you can see in this pic:mad:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid60/p0134e6af0347c9deea760e682c92e4ff/fc456277.jpg

I should apply for a job there so I can live in Cinema City:)

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hmmm its july and still no action, I emailed wespoint on monday but they haven't responded, construction is complete on pacific international so lets hope they concentrate on cinema city

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*bump*

i went past cc 2day. there is NO sign of anything. not even adevertisments or posters

god dammit i got a email from them saying its still alive!!!
im fucking ringing tomorrow and god help them if they give me the shit about it will start soon/!

I hope this project hasn't died in the ass. Here is an indication of what it will look like.(nothing better to do:D )
http://home.iprimus.com.au/roc1/cincity.jpg

nice work, would really help push the skyline east esp. with the condor tower proposal.
though I don't like how it would overpower the town hall.

I just sent westpoint another email for an update but ive given up hope on this one...maybe they will use the emu brewery marketing centre to market this project? but with pacific international hotel performing badly by the looks of things, they might have canned or put cinema city on the back burner till the market picks up...

It will be a real shame if this tower isn't built!:(

unless it turned into a 'hack job' like pacific international

I don't care what it looks like as long as there is some height on Hay st...hell stick the old ABC antenna tower on top of the existing building!....;)..lol:D

Id rather think long term ie. if emu brewrey is going to turn into some dump id rather wait 20 years and see a excelent development... we will regret these things in the long term ie. look at the narrows interchange, freeway down the side of the river etc...

20 years! are you mad?:D
:soon::soon: :soon:

whats happening with this project?? will it go ahead?? :D...

i rather not wait 20 years for a tower on the emu site haha

they should just make the hole thing resi if the hotel market is bad!i really hope it goes ahead!

Chris,
Thanks for your enquiry, we are currently looking at launching our emu
brewery development instead, this development will have fantastic river and
city views you can see it on our web site. As for cinema city it hasn't
been canned its been put on hold as we believe emu will be the best project
in Perth.

Regards
Sean Parker

WTF!!!! they can do both at once!!!! they are 2 completly different things!!!!!fucken westpoint assholes!

err westpoint realsing 1400 apartments onto the perth market in a few years is not viable [ie cinema city, emu brewery & pacific international], unless you want a total market fuck up!

Bah!!

Perth will suck all that up and more,just wait till 2005 and see how many more proposals are scooped up.

I don't think the residential market in Perth is a paralell of the commercial market at the moment,but then I'm just a stupid kiwi so what do I know:baaa:

Originally posted by NZer
[B] I'm just a stupid kiwi so what do I know[B]
exactly:devil:

whats up with all the :devil: 's everywhere ?

:devil: :dizzy:

Have you been smoking methamphetamine chris?

we need our spam thread back:D

I PM Cul to ask where its gone and he told me the Perth Spam thread was still in the skybar,but it aint there.

It should have been left in it's true home,the WA section of the forum.Now it has succomed to terminal Fabian Cancer.

Originally posted by chrisaus
err westpoint realsing 1400 apartments onto the perth market in a few years is not viable [ie cinema city, emu brewery & pacific international], unless you want a total market fuck up!
yea but they could release emu brewery 1 and cc at the samw ti e and do no harm to the market!

thanks for that mr market analysis guru:colgate:

yes your welcome!:D wonder if these are apartments are affordable???

you would have to buy carbays in PCC:colgate: bloody westpoint

are you serious????

you have alot to learn boy:colgate:
WE NEED OF FUCKING SPAM THREAD

hmmm i know!yea i want the spam thread back!surley you have the guts to start up a sapm thread,chris?

It was a hainess crime,the removal of our spam thread.A sad day indeed

A crime against our basic right to free speech,Kofi Anan will be notified

they are going back to council with the same application. probably so they have the option of going ahead with it in the future.

it best get approved or else im gunna burn down council house!:guns1:

You'll get away with it too coz they'll blame some poor rag for it

BUMP.:D

Yeah!! A big old BUMP. Surely it's clearer wheter or not this one is likely to go ahead sooner or later. chrisaus?

2 weeks ago i went to the westpoint office in perth and asked them about it they said its not dead and maketing will start after new years!

:okay:

LIES! I don't think westpoint know the fuck what they are doing, they have said marketing is going to start soon many many times.... nothing ever happens...I emailed some weeks back and they said its on hold with the launched of the emu brewrey project

I think the proposal might have changed. I have read they are planning 140 apartments for the site. maybe they have canned the hotel part of the development what is smart because there isn't much room for more hotel rooms in the CBD though it could mean a much much shorter tower

Originally posted by chrisaus
I think the proposal might have changed. I have read they are planning 140 apartments for the site. maybe they have canned the hotel part of the development what is smart because there isn't much room for more hotel rooms in the CBD though it could mean a much much shorter tower
the way todays residential market is in perth, if they planned their prices right they could eaisily make it around 100m and still have enough sales for construction

not if they plan to launch emu brewrey soon. that will flood the market

i dont think it will if this is a completely different styled devolpment
ie smaller, cheaper apartments

grrr this is really startign to piss me off. Don't these people realise the city needs a decent cinema?! cinema city is the best but it needs an upgrade - the carpet is too much to handle and everytime ive been there something has gone wrong in the cinemas! even if they jump ship on the tower proposal i hope to god they still revamp the existing facility!

mike

they need something special to compete with the suburban cinemas! lets hope they invest some $$$ instead of caving in and just closing in the future... for a nice cinema go to rmax in northbridge whats the old imax [same group as picadilly run it] show normal movies now plus they have late sessions [10.30pm and midnight some nights]

yes you're right - then need something which would make people think "hey lets check that out!" i dunno what though, wat could possibly be done different in a cinema?

ill check out the rmax for sure - i didnt even kno the building was open at all.

mike

man i remember when there were 5 or so cinemas in town i used to go to, what is on offer now?

cinema city, cine centre [both hoyts], picadilly + rmax [northbridge] + paradiso [northbridge] + luna [leederville] + astor [mount lawley]
I heard event cinemas in melbourne/sydney CBD are closing

So in other words there is still hope for this one, but on a smaller scale :?

the ugliest part of cinema city (blue tin w/ dark brow brick on the cnr of barrack and hay st [greater union]) will NOT be redeveloped and is not part of the cinema city proposal!:rant: :bleep:

i think its been canned. its no longer on the westpoint site.

www.perth.wa.gov.au planning and urban development committee then agendas for re-lodge details

can it still be appoved even though it doesnt fit in with alot of guidelines which are fairly dated and shit?BTW only levels 2-8 will be hotel, the rest apartments

the last one was approved against a recomendation of rejection so they probably will again, I would prefer a safer developer get its hands on the site

when i came to the forum late 2002 it was getting apporoved, then the DA expried so they re-loged it again. now, for the 3rd time its happend!
WESTPOINT, GET YOUR ARSES INTO GEAR AND DO SOMETHING!!!!
btw pacific interantional perth is no longer a part of westpoint

atleast if their projects go bust swan brewery has a marketing centre up ready, precedent for tall towers plus 'pre marketing'...

Great news about cinema city!!...now lets bring future 239 back to life!!..hehe:)
...............though I wont hold my breath for ether project:(

Multiplex & Hawaiian Now Have Ownership Of Bishops See (Future 239) And Are Considering Developments, Could Be Resdiential, If Not Wait Till The Market Picks Up And Build Something Tall

Tired of waiting :gunz:

its better to wait 10 years and get a 50 level than be stuck with a 10 level one for ever!!!!

Well why can't they build a 50 level tower NOW and wait while it takes 10 years to fill....Har? Har?..........:D

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid136/p3ba19aff3a83314e4421c4516e93e664/f75bf3b9.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid136/pfd205af6539f4f6cf5ef058b98147f47/f75bf188.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid136/p41980799f88f0abf9490994c06718bb6/f75bf189.jpg

the pcc need to screw more out of developers....... make them get back to the drawing board and design better buildings and give back something to the city........ like streetscape improvements etc:

is this article recent or from last time? can u pls date it ! thanks

Thursday West Sir

sorry... that was meant to be a question mark not an exclamtion........ thanks for the scan man :D

Fuck I hate natrass. There will be one time of day when there will be a shadow you stupid fuck. Does that article mean it will go ahead.

I like natrass, he may be very conservative and out of touch, but on alot of points he is spot on and right on the mark and he really knows his stuff, go to a Perth City Council Meeting to see why and dont read so much into the media

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid136/p3ba19aff3a83314e4421c4516e93e664/f75bf3b9.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid136/pfd205af6539f4f6cf5ef058b98147f47/f75bf188.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid136/p41980799f88f0abf9490994c06718bb6/f75bf189.jpg

I like what Nattrass says about looking after heritage buildings,esp recently regarding the treasury building.

Natrass needs some carbon dating carried out on himself I think.

The whole problem I find with Perth is there is vast areas of lowrise that just doesn't make it feel like a CBD but more like a country town. If you drive up Barrack Street from the river towards Mt Lawley as soon as you pass the Town Hall you are confrounted by rows of low rise two story buildings. Some density around the shopping district away from the Terraces (even if they do cast shadows) can only be a good thing. Anyway when the sky is overcast you dont notice the shadows and during the summer its too damn hot anyway!

Ahhh, East Perth is seriously starting to densify anyway. Perth's CBD is long, not wide and the parts you described have never been considered CBD or huge density housing. Perth's CBD is a west/east config that is much longer than most Aussie CBD's.

Perths skyline is slowly but surely creeping northwards onto Murray,Hay and Wellington Streets.

The coolest thing about the way Perth has developed so far,is the tall office CBD feel of the terrace and Esplanade.

what the bloody fuck??? has natrass had his head stck up his arse sice 1975?? several towers alreay overshadow the bloody mall!! st martins shadows it heap and bank west casts is bloody shadow on murray street at some times in the the day. that old carillion tower is also a major shadower. i say fuck perth town hall! we cant stop progress for something that will get a shadow on it! who gives a fuck!

Lol just thinking back to the time when we thought redevelopement was underway but it was just a new maccas store!:D

I want more shelter and protection from the sun and rain, the more towers the better! tonight everyone was scared of from the CBD and sped of back to their homes in the burbs, more protection from the weather will help keep the CBD alive in all climates so the retailers don't die in the heat of summer and worst of winter, because shopping centres will maul them on those days, though with the sprawling carparks you get wet anyway at shopping centres but thats different for them lol

well i think he is concerned it will tower over town hall... frankly do u want fuckheads like westpoint building something next to town hall..... give it to another developer :D with a better design...

with westpoint they may build it ipside down or something hehe

the desing is excellent! stop bitching! hope westpoint dont fuck it up.

Yeah, I think Nattrass is more concerned about this one because of that “heritage bullshit hub which has been going on for years with nothin being done. How many more years is that section behind the Town Hall and Treasury going to be fenced off??!! Although I am in favour of their bullshit hub:) I can't see how this project will effect it in any drastic way considering it isn't even on the same block.
The only time it will cast a shadow in the Hay St Mall will be in the morning anyhow.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/roc1/cincity.jpg
Let me know if the height is out hey. :)

its a liitle out but an excellent pic anyway!

I could change it for a small fee:D...nar if it's waaaay out I'll change it. Don't think it is though.

about this much out
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/mdilaz/cc.jpg

hmm hwo long ago was the original design done ?? they should update it now :D...... make it look like the peak or at least not too boxy.. will it have balconies? it dun look like it........


great render roc :D............ thanks.. and thanks for the line dilaz :D lol will have good impact from south perth

yeah no woorys about the line!:D
im sure the design will be slightly modified. does it still include the plasma screen. sure hope it does!:D

BTw does anyone else here find barrack plaza ugly?

i think it looks better than this :D.. hehe........

i think they should incorporate the line into the design...

it better have the plasma screen......... WE NEED MORE PLASMA SCREENS :D they look awesome

I like the design, westpoint did Paragon CBD and I think that looks great, they did pacific international that look kind of average lol, lets hope this will look great, and emu will flop get bought by a quality develper and turned into a project worthy of a capital city CBD not a gold coast resort styled ghetto:D

i dont like the design.. i used to... but perth has moved on.. we need better than this... pacific international was done on the cheap and it shows... i think a small revision to theis design will make it much better..........

there is an article abt it in todays paper

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid136/p7431ad90dfdb4f7cf9170053a5edaad4/f75710a6.jpg

yeah no woorys about the line!:D
im sure the design will be slightly modified. does it still include the plasma screen. sure hope it does!:D

BTw does anyone else here find barrack plaza ugly?

For my uni project a couple of years ago I interviewed a planner from Greg Rowe & Assoc (the company that handled the development application for this project). He showed me various elevation / floor plans for this building.
From what I know there were going to be two big cinemas / electronic display boards mounted on the Hay St facade.. These are basically in exchange for the extra floor area (the development exceed plot ratio limit). I understand they're also going to convert the arcade at the bottom, introducing access restrictions at night time like the Carillion Arcade.

So I hope the developer get this project rolling soon, now that they're doing renovation to the Town Hall and that area around St Martins Plaza are being done up as well. :)

I don't like how the arcades are locked up and I love the new anti roller door policy, walking down rockeby road @ night window shopping is great because there are alot of window displays, having roller doors and places locked up kills a city @ night and takes away places to explore, even if the shops are closed they can still be enjoyed at night, though I know security is an important issue, though I think we need a better balance than just locking up the city @ night

wtf are you brigged again?

If i am nobody told me, when i log in under chrisaus no forums apear when I log out they apear again????

email jan. its just not the same without the chrisaus!:D

why because your a bigger freak now cause i have 2 posts :D

yeah :(

aah,the brig days,chrisaus was able to move on but brother phat has never been the same since.lol

WAPC to consider Cinema City Tower development
Planning and Infrastructure Minister Alannah MacTiernan has directed the WA Planning Commission to play a role in the development application for the proposed Cinema City Tower development.

Ms MacTiernan said concerns about the impact of the proposed 27-storey building on the city's heritage precinct had prompted her to ask the WAPC to remove the City of Perth's delegated authority to consider the application on the commission's behalf.

"This application has wider significance because of its potential effect on one of the State's premier heritage precincts," she said.

"The Central Government Offices and Town Hall Precinct contain some of the most historically significant civic buildings in the State.

"I believe the effect of this development on the amenity of the area demands further scrutiny by the WAPC."

The heritage precinct includes the Perth Town Hall, former Land Titles Office, St George's Cathedral, former Treasury Building, Deanery and Burt Hall.

"I want to make sure the commission is satisfied that the development will not adversely affect the integrity of any of the heritage buildings or prejudice future planning for the precinct," the Minister said.

The WAPC will consider the matter in light of the city's Town Planning Scheme of 2004, which sets out the mechanism for determining maximum height.

Under Clause 32 (No.54 Development of State or Regional Significance) of the Western Australian Planning Commission Act 1985, approval of the commission is required before any development can take place on the land.

"I have asked the WAPC to start talks with the City Council to ensure a redevelopment that maximises the benefit for the community," Ms MacTiernan said.

I hope the planning commission breaks Westpoints balls on this one,make them build a high quality building that actually compliments all the nice heritage buildings around/below it.

it is a high quality bldg! fuck the heritage rules! if we stick to those we will always be a dullsville!

It could be better..........I 'm not worried about overshadowing dude,it doesn't bother me personally.I just think its a good opportunity to squeeze a bit more out of the developer thats all lol.

k fair enough. remember the only redering we have seen is a 2d elevation style one. does greg rowe have an email or anything?

whats the big deal about shaddows the building is still going to be there and the same, if its such a big deal light it up, the heritage buildings are towered over in the terrace and they still look great....

did you goto council to see its verdict?

nah ive been wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to busy lately, not enough hours in a day and days in a week!! life is busy, who ever says they are bored should be shot lol

bullshit!:D
you don't even goto uni!:D

Heritage precinct building application withdrawn
An application to build a 27-storey tower at the centre of Perth's heritage precinct has been withdrawn.

The Perth City Council was expected to vote last night on whether to approve the plan to demolish Cinema City on Hay Street and replace it with a residential and office tower.

Lord Mayor Peter Nattrass says the motion was withdrawn at the request of the applicant.

Yesterday the WA Government ordered the Planning Commission to intervene, saying the building would not be suitable for the area.

Dr Nattrass says he was strongly opposed to the development.

"The overshadowing implications of Hay Street and the Heritage Town Hall precinct would have created a precedent which would have considerable adverse impact on the city for many years to come," he said.

"I think it's a very good outcome for Perth and the people of Perth."
http://www.abc.net.au/wa/news/200408/s1184521.htm

Dr Peter Nattrass
The Right Honourable
The Lord Mayor

Home Address:
8 Mounts Bay Road, Crawley, 6009
Phone: 9386 6965
Mobile: 0419 911 363

Business Address
18 Kings Park Road
West Perth
Phone: 9321 7222
Fax: 9321 9569

Council Address
Council House
Level 11
27 St George's Terrace
Perth 6000
Phone: 9461 3339
Fax: 9461 3053
Email: Lord_Mayor@cityofperth.wa.gov.au

very good outcome my ass! hmm how typical of westpoint to fuck us around like this. would be good if say multiplex got their hands on the site

westpoint wouldn't know how to manage a project if their life depended on it:D nah I like paragon, though alot of thats vacant

paragon is only good because its not very noticalbe. alot of paragon is expensive too and you are very crowded by skyscrapers

more like it lacks parking and people couldn't go with just one car rolls eyes.... they probably drive from hay street to a carpark in st georges terrace to go to work lol grrrr

Here's an idea, why not rebuild what was there before cinema city (but taller):
http://www.liswa.wa.gov.au/images/mitchellba1271/006394d.jpg

That'd fit right in! :)

if only we have saved more of them, oh well gone now, lets just keep the stuff worth saving and not over do it by saving crap for the sake of what we have lost:D im looking forward to the heritage buildings on westralia square city being done up as part of city square!!!
http://www.thewest.com.au/pictures/100-gen19tower.jpg

camber,you're my kind of man.

Some of the older designs could add so much more than contemporary ones we see.

older design
http://www.westpoint.com.au/images/CinemaCity.jpg

Pacific International Hotel & Apartment + Bin Winebar
http://images.reiwa.com.au/pik/REIWA/67/M312067.jpg

how ugly is that building???

how ugly is that building???

I like it, considering is a referb and all, though the hotel curtins make it look a bit tacky. Looks very innercity, something Perth doesnt have much of.

yeah, I like it.

its not too bad, abit of colour, pretty bloody dodgy paint job and finish though ..pretty low quality

Here's an idea, why not rebuild what was there before cinema city (but taller):
http://www.liswa.wa.gov.au/images/mitchellba1271/006394d.jpg

That'd fit right in! :)

why can't developers build taller stuff like that! :)

welcome to 2005.... this generation is about making as much money as you can and not caring about what crappy building you leave behind to blight the city for decades to come....

They don’t have the know- how these days to build somethin like that..sad but true…kinda like with the pyramids ..no idea how they got built!..lol

in the past there was so so so much attention to detail now it attention to pfofit, they took years and years to build buildings, they built to stand out and look amazing, and thats why they still do, every bit of the building was well thought out and importance given to all part, i wish we built like that now, its really shows compare fremantle to joondalup, fremantle has history heart and soul joondalup is sterlie, we really need to go back to heritage styled building and fremantle planning and stop creating that heartless, boring, dull tacky, sterile sprawling crap! the old way was best, thank god we have freo and the old inner city suburbs because a sprawling suburbs area real embarasment! the olkskool rules

Ok people i have news on Cinema City people.

Ok there still building it they have re-designed it and expect it to go to the council this year with construction starting 2006 with completion in 2006. My brother works for DTZ who just won the residential contract for city square.

wow thats fast.. only 12 months to complete??? fark

Well im only telling you what my brother told me. They had the head of westpoint at DTZ the other day.

Well it shouldn’t take longer than 12 months to develop a 6 story building lol. Seriously, Westpoint did say they were still interested in developing the site.

I think it will be larger than that. The PCC had no problem with the 2001 hight just the design.

they are redesigning to plan

Thats what my brother said, it will be finished before the first swan pano tower.

Is an extension to the current cinemas on the site still in the plan? IMHO, should be no less than 12 cinemas - and they could probly also find a way to incorporate the old greater union cinemas as well (since they're all Hoyts cinemas now)...

I dont know the plan is still under covers.

Hoyts move in for Cinema City deal

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission has given its blessing to national cinema giant Hoyts’ planned purchase of rival Greater Union’s 45 per cent interest in the Cinema City joint venture.

This follows the ACCC’s decision not to oppose cinema transactions between Hoyts and Greater Union, which have several joint venture arrangements.

The ACCC announcement also anticipates the closure of the other Perth cinema subject to the existing joint venture, the three-screen Cinecentre.

The various joint venture arrangements were entered into between 1998 and 2001 and also include arrangements with cinemas in Sydney and Brisbane.

ACCC chairman Graeme Samuel said the competition regulator considered the transactions would not substantially lessen competition for first-release film exhibitions in Perth, Sydney or Brisbane.

“The ACCC considered that competition from other suburban and CBD cinema operators would constrain Greater Union and Hoyts from increasing ticket prices,” he said.

In Sydney, Hoyts will acquire Greater Union’s 50 per cent interest in the Broadway Cinema joint venture, while Greater Union will acquire Hoyts’ interest at the George Street cinema joint venture.

In Brisbane, Greater Union will acquire Hoyts’ interest in seven screens at the Myer and Regent cinema complexes.

In 2004, developer Westpoint proposed a 27-storey building on the Cinema City site, which would include 136 apartments and a 204-room hotel.

The proposal was knocked back due to height problems and shadowing on one of the state’s premier heritage precincts.

Cinema City and the Cinema City Arcade are owned by Goldtag Pty Ltd, which is part of the Westpoint group.

The Cinecentre Arcade building, including the three cinemas, is owned by Gutace Holdings Pty Ltd, part of the Greater Union group.

Hoyts is co-owned by Kerry Packer’s Publishing & Broadcasting and West Australian Newspapers Holdings Ltd while Greater Union is part owned by Amalgamated Holdings Ltd.

after westpoint's debacle i wonder if this will be the next big cbd development site to hit the market? maybe finbar might want to get closer to the cbd and try abit of retail in its developments? lets hope so

this could be the next westpoint site on the market... fingers crossed! the city really needs a good cinema/entertainment complex

Also great opp for resi or office tower in this location as well above the entertainment precinct, as long as it doesn't follow the trend of Barrack's Plaza...

Due to its proximity to the town hall, it must be of high quality.

anything else would be an insult to the town hall.

Due to its proximity to the town hall, it must be of high quality.
i wish barracks plaza was near the town hall :)

Meh barracks plaza is ok. The design is fridge but it's not ugly brings somthing to the area.

this could be the next westpoint site on the market... fingers crossed! the city really needs a good cinema/entertainment complex

... On the mall. Don't get me wrong, I love CC (always have, always will - 'specially the wave-like curve near the screens. Don't ask me why.)... but it's in the wrong position.

We need someone to build a new cinema complex as part of a shopping arcade development. Having to cross Barrack st to get to the cinemas is stupid and the complex is too out-of-the-way. Either that, or perhaps someone may redevelop the shops opposite the cinemas and an overpass could be built over Barrack St to the cinemas?

SITE ON THE MARKET

http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/JLL/JLL_45/300/JLL_45_59273_66792.jpg
STRATEGIC PERTH CBD DEVELOPMENT SITE
Property type: Development site
Contract type: For sale by Expressions of Interest
Address: Cinema City, 580 Hay Steet, Perth, Western Australia, Australia

Description

Existing cinema and retail complex with a gross lettable area of 8,400sqm (approx)
Central City location adjacent Perth's Major Retail shopping malls (Hay St and Murray St)
Conditional development approval (now lapsed) for a 23-level building consisting of 136 apartments, 204 room hotel, seven cinemas and retail arcade with a plot ratio of 5.5:1
Total site area: 4,388sqm (approx) with three street frontages
50 basement car bays (approx)

Sale type: Expressions of Interest
Tenure: Land / redevelopment
Total area: 8,400m²
Site area: 4,388m²

Additional Information
For Sale by Offers to Purchase Closing 2PM (WST) Thursday 15 June 2006

Contact agents

Jones Lang LaSalle
John Williams
W 08 9483 8448
M 0419 929 635
F 08 9321 1149
Email agent

Jones Lang LaSalle
Nigel Freshwater
W (08) 9483 8443
M 0417 197 375
F (08) 9321 1149

I know its dated but I like the look of Cinema City. Hope they work with that facade rather than tear it down.

it is ok.. i like the way it reflects the town hall.. that building was way ahead of its time when it was built though.. but neglect over the past 20 yrs has made it shit

Cinema City Mezzanine

The Federal Court in Perth today ordered the winding up of Cinema City Mezzanine Pty Ltd, another company in the former Westpoint Group.

The Court appointed Geoffrey Frank Totterdell and David Laurence McEvoy from PricewaterhouseCoopers as liquidators.

Cinema City raised close to $2.5 million in 'mezzanine finance' from 34 investors through the issue of promissory notes.

Those notes remain unpaid despite having become due for repayment in 2005. The funds were for a proposed $101 million development of the Cinema City Arcade in Perth.

ASIC alleged the company was insolvent. ASIC's investigation into the Westpoint group is continuing.

tenders close soon

cine centre on murray n barrack has now closed just leaving cinema city on hay and barrack open (and picadilly), not sure if they will sell cine centre or what, but lets hope someone buys the site and gives the cinemas a big revamp

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the old cinema city project was at 96m, lets hope next developers aim for that height aswell

^^
or higher

the old cinema city project was at 96m, lets hope next developers aim for that height aswell

just looking at the action that is happening at the moment, with the current boom of mid-rise buildings(60m-150m) if this sort of a pattern continues, i believe that mabye it could get up to 110m at the max:okay:

i think half the cinemas are going to be removed, level one will be the city of perth library, 27 office and the existing retail and cinemas upgraded. What a fucked plan.

^^
Who cares. How often do people go the movies anymore? Not much. And when they do they tend to go to the suburbs... It should be alright :runaway:

but thats the probably we want good cinemas so people go to the city not the smelly burbs

Well it's half sad. Anyone want to start a cinema in the city? Nows the time just pick a better location than Cinema City.

I knew i should have bought the site!:D

Who cares??? The city needs cinemas. It is fucking bullshit that the flagship of all cinemas are not in the city. Hence why I think La Premere can get fucked.

Think back, Perth was the place to be for cinema and theatre in the good old days. It so sad how everything relocated to the burbs.


I really hope they fold.

As a kid I can recall long before cinemas were ever thought of in the suburbs, having travelled to the cinemas in Perth to watch the likes of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Movie and Three Men and a Little Baby.

Despite having two cinemas in a 10 minute radius of my home now. It's still very important for the city of Perth to have a cinema to retain some sort of entertainment and leisure activities within it. Are you expecting all those people that have purchased apartments in East and West Perths just to drive out to Morley or Carousel to watch a movie.

Like at Melbourne for example they have the same thing occur as us in Perth, but the cinemas have still been retained in the heart of the city several of them may I say.

No cinemas in Perth anymore is like saying let's get rid of Myer is the city because they are in the suburbs, the city doesn't need it anymore.

I knew i should have bought the site!:D

Who cares??? The city needs cinemas. It is fucking bullshit that the flagship of all cinemas are not in the city. Hence why I think La Premere can get fucked.

Think back, Perth was the place to be for cinema and theatre in the good old days. It so sad how everything relocated to the burbs.


I really hope they fold.

I agree. We seriously need a La Premiere, or Gold Class in the city and a major cinema well located with bars, restaurants etc. so people can make a night of it in the city. Innaloo and Cannington are fucked locations

but thats the probably we want good cinemas so people go to the city not the smelly burbshttp://www.togermano.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif

Gosh, this (non) development brings back so many memories. I remember it being splashed about in 2002 on the old Ozscrapers' site! :uh:

...

Be nice if there were some 'sights' to see on the limo ride to Innaloo but its all freeway. That is a sad state.

So is there any news on the third gold class venue? In fact where is the second?

...

I hadn't realised, but Greater Union are actually adding a fourth Gold Class screen at Innaloo, due to open later this month.

From their website (http://www.greaterunion.com.au/cinemas/cinema.asp?state=WA&cinema=24&page=About):
Four times the luxury coming soon. Gold Class 4 opens late September 2006.
We apologise for any inconvenience during the refurbishment period

Well it is nice to see these things are taking off. I am a huge fan of these 'special' cinemas, and I even refused to see a movie unless I could see it at La Premiere (even though it meant a long drive).

Lets face it, you can get better comfort and sound at home these days so they have to offer a better experience to draw people back to the cinema. And if they open one in the city Cannington will permanently be off my radar.

I got free tix to a premiere at cc tomoz night. We really need somthing liek that in the city NOW!

I haven't been to cc since I was a kid (13). I wonder if they have been run down, or how busy they get.

I have been to cinema city a few times over the last couple of years, all times it has been pretty full, and the cinemas wernt to bad, though i cant really compared them to sububan cinemas as i havent been to one in about 5 years

cinemas are decent internally just thr lobby and exterior suck.

Cinema City to make way for residential high-rise
10th October 2006, 11:45 WST

A Perth family company has unveiled plans to close the Cinema City complex in central Perth and redevelop the site into a residential tower with as many as 150 apartments.

The revised redevelopment for the Cinema City site, on a corner block bounded by Barrack and Hay streets, are yet to be finalised but it is understood it could include up to 5000sqm of office space and residential apartments over more than 20 storeys.
The proposal came to light as Birchwood Pty Ltd, controlled by brothers Simon, Adman and Gary Wright, confirmed it had bought the former Westpoint-owned property for $16 million.

Richard Szklarz Architects has been commissioned to draw up plans for the redevelopment, which will retain the existing retail arcade. However, the cinemas are unlikely to be part of the final design.

The Wrights and their flagship company, Elmbridge Pty Ltd, are behind several inner-city residential projects, including The Statton on Murray and the Ellement 996 development opposite QV1.

The Cinema City property was put on the market by mortgagee LM Investment Management in May following the collapse of Westpoint.

Macquarie Bank was the architect of the deal but it will not play any role in the development of the 26-year-old cinema property.

Commercial agent Mark Hay said the apartments in the Cinema City project would be targeting owneroccupiers who wanted to live in true inner-city style.

The cinema property was slated for an ambitious makeover by Westpoint, including more than 200 hotel rooms and more than 130 apartments in a 27-level tower.

The controversial design sparked criticism from local architects amid concerns the tower would cast a shadow over Perth Town Hall.

Jones Lang LaSalle was the selling agent for the Cinema City property but it would not comment on the deal. The sale of Cinema City, which was the last of Westpoint’s major Perth CBD properties to be sold, follows GE’s purchase of the group’s Paragon Arcade and the sale of the Emu Brewery site for $48.8 million to Babcock and Brown and Perth developer Saville Australia.


Catie Low

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Omg there will be no cinemas in the city!!!!! And statton and ellement....arrrrghhhhh. Slklaz was the architect for both of them!!!!!

^^hehe..that's what I was thinking too

No this will probably be a good thing in the mid term. As someone will open new Cinemas in the CBD to fill the gap even if it isn't one of the two majors.

I am also wonder that Hoyt's is co-owned by WA News papers and PBL. Maybe they are planning something at Burswood as a replacement during it's much needed refurb?

But the city needs them. Wonder if cbus will cash in on it or mayby raine square will revise plans. Cause its surely viable to still have them in the city.

The owners of the Regent Piccadilly are going to be rubbing their hands together with glee!

I was wrong about this:

I can't help but wonder if (the Cine Centre) is being left intact for the purpose of temporarily reopening at some point, while Cinema City is closed for redevelopment.I walked past there the other day and saw that it's been turned into a discount bridal wear store!

However, that doesn't strike me as a long-term thing. I guess it's still possible that the Cine Centre location will eventually be the site of a new cinema complex to replace Cinema City.

A long-time employee of Perth cinemas recently told me that there's a few old cinemas still intact within the shopping malls of the CBD (e.g. Plaza & Wanamba Arcades). I think it's extremely unlikely that we'll ever see any of those brought back to life, but I suppose anything's possible.

Killing in cash still lays open. Business people of perth this is a killer time to start up a cinema, chose a good location and with this great Urban Renewl we are going through. We might see one in Riverside in the long term?

I reckon there would be a good chance of cinemas in 140 william street, i mean its probably the most prime CBD site for an entertainment precint

^^ That would be ideal. Right in the heart of the retail precinct.

I had a feeling this would happen. Seems we are going quite backwards before we go forwards.

yeah, westpoint may be dodgey but they had some grand plans which i commend. I for one liked the design of the old proposal.

Hi guys,

Here is the latest on the site.

The developer has changed architects, due to the fact Richard Szklarz was a bit being a bit too rigid. Due to the iconic status of this site the developer has now decided to go with an architect that is prepared to work closely with the city of Perth, to ensure that respect is paid to the existing town hall and to minimise any shadow casting.

The project is still in the embryonic stages, and there is not too much that I can tell you prior to council approving the plan (submission within the next couple of months).

outline:
Ground floor retail.
Level 1-4, commercial office space (approx 5000sqm).
Level 5-30+ residential apartments with extra large usable/practical balconies.
An selection of 1x1, 2x1.5, 2x2, 3x2.

Proposed selection of Executive apartments facing Hay St (though set back). some of the executive apartments may have terraces (court yards) as large as 100sqm - still in the design stage, so not official yet.

Approx 224 apartments in total.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3853/cinemacitylocationphotovk5.th.jpg (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cinemacitylocationphotovk5.jpg)

Satellite & UBD images of the location: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=580+Hay+St,+Perth,+WA+6004,+Au&ie=UTF8&z=16&ll=-31.954729,115.860894&spn=0.010632,0.023496&t=h&om=1&iwloc=addr

Regards,

Gethen

Dont cry Dilaz im sure Natrass will after his first and second win might lose this one.

Thanks for the update Gethen. Best thing about this one is that it will be visible from the south and moves the skyline east and north from Exchange Plaza. I guess it will be over 100m, possibly 120m.

If its 30 levels:
26x3.3m would be 85.8m (resi component)
+
4x3.8m would be 15.2 (office component)

Total: 101m.

If its 35 floors, then it will be 117.5m

Sounds decent, but why isn't there a cinema component included? The city will be without a full line cinema. Thats not worth a 150m tower imo.

Dont sweat it Dilaz, if there is demand another one will open in a more viable location like East Perth, Hay/Murray Malls or West Perth.

It is viable, over the last few weeks I have been there atleast once every week and the cinemas are probably 60-70% full. That's decent considering they are 500+ seats each (I did a rough count one time when I was bored during adds lol)

The only other site that may become a cinema is CeneCentre. After that, we're lost.

BTw I must mention Sklarz is shit. Ellement and Statton....what an achievement...

Don't like the sounds of the large balconies too, unless they are articulated, the will end up boring. Balconies in general are very ugly, but can become decent looking through articluation.

Gosh, I must sound like a whinging pom lol.

The only other site that may become a cinema is CeneCentre. After that, we're lost.

Hahaha you sound like Cull on CASA height limits.

The only other site that may become a cinema is CeneCentre. After that, we're lost.

You sound like Cull on CASA height limits. So a middle aged Australian. :cheers:

As for balcony's there required for residentail how it's done is another different all together.

"CINEMA CITY"
580-602 Hay Street
PERTH WA 6000
37 Level Development
consisting of 225
Apartments, 2
Basements, Upper Level
Carparking, Retail, Public
Library, Public Plaza and
Office Use
70,000,000.00 DA 2007/2027

Should be 125m-135m. Sounds ok

is this ontop of where the cinemas are now?
thats near barracks square, should be good

No, the cinemas will be demolished. Went past today, some shops have started to close.

lol half the shops have been closed in that dump for years....

That gorgus x-dream shop closed down last week. Pure class gone out the window there...

Lol I can't remember that mall ever being full. I remember going in there in the early 1990s because Raggabone records used to be there. Even then it was still a ghost town.

Nice, just wish it could break 40 st.. that way it would affect the skyline nicely between allendale and bankwest

Didn't the PCC cop a bagging for approving the previous 25 level tower because of its impact to the Town Hall?

This proposal will be slender and at the other end of the site. i'm sure it will be approved. Although NatrASS will probably vote against.

Wow would be nice to have the tower at the other end. Bigger impact. It shouldn't have a problem being approved then.

lets pay someone to assisinate him, i will for $100

^^ Fuck I'd pay to do it if I didn't think his nimby mates wouldn't hunt me down. He must have power for a reason.

Though I have a soft spot for the cinema, I must admit that the shopping arcade is pretty rank.

They have one decent shop in there. Found it the other day.

Feel sorry for them that they are in such a shit location, in a shit arcade. however, if you wanna see the true meaning of the word shit, the cinecentre arcade down the road will show u..

i figured today whilst at iga in mossy park that all the people in the cottesloe areas are rich hippy nimbys
they all have those fucking gay ass enviro bags, drive expensive cars and obviously are anti-development

however, if you wanna see the true meaning of the word shit, the cinecentre arcade down the road will show u..
You're not wrong! And the cinema itself is now a discount bridal wear store... Hopefully this monstrosity will be torn down in favour of something that includes a classy new cinema, given that the new building on the Cinema City site won't.

Lol I can't remember that mall ever being full. I remember going in there in the early 1990s because Raggabone records used to be there. Even then it was still a ghost town.

Perth's first ever McDonald's was in Cinema City Arcade, opening in 1982 I think. Remember being there with my Dad and brother as it first opened its doors. It is now Jaws Sushi. Remember the arcade to be quite pumpin' back then but its been a slow decline. My brother lived in Raggabone Records during its heyday.

i figured today whilst at iga in mossy park that all the people in the cottesloe areas are rich hippy nimbys
they all have those fucking gay ass enviro bags, drive expensive cars and obviously are anti-development

Try reading the letters in the Subiaco/Mosman Park/Cottesloe/Nedlands Post for a couple of weeks. Enough to drive you mad.

lol @ the post.I wont even go there.

Try reading the letters in the Subiaco/Mosman Park/Cottesloe/Nedlands Post for a couple of weeks. Enough to drive you mad.

This howler (http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/20061021/letters/017.shtml) is one of my favourites:

End of the birdsong?
Warbling mapgies, chirping of birds waken my day
Gone if the PTA have their way
Moreton bay figs and eucalypts, a pleasant sight
8-metre high masts a terrible blight
People walking their dogs in the bush
Why has the turnback been hush hush?
Wattle birds and honeyeaters amuse waiting for train
Would we see them ever again?
The part of the line with trees on each side
Replaced by poles and wires 3 tracks wide
Fremantle to Perth infill plans are seen
In Subiaco can we keep one strip green?
To reject the turnback siding I would really wish
So we can watch the birds playing at Daglish

OMG. What selfish cunts

Bird chirping pisses me off.

its ashame that the leafy western suburbs are full of the nicest suburbs but full of the biggest wankers.....

Ummmmm, move to the country, this is a city. Some people just aren't wired right.

They still think Perth is a country town. With them gone it would be a cunt-free town.

They still think Perth is a country town. With them gone it would be a cunt-free town.

Nah thats just older/expensive suburbs being nimbys. It's the same over here. For example the northern beaches desperately needs a rail service. But the people who would benefit the most from it, are also so the same people totally against any suggestion of it. Simply because they don't want their area to be linked up to the citywide rail network, allowing so-called easier access for undesirables (ie westies).