Concord Cityplace - 20 Residential Towers - Toronto, ON


The current CityPlace condo development was conceived by Concord Adex developments, the same company that helped revitalize a large section of former Expo 86 lands in Vancouver. Hong Kong magnate Li Ka Shing is known to have large shareholding in Concord Adex. At 45 acres and 7500units, the $1.5 billion Cityplace project is the largest residential development ever attempted in Toronto.


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Project Overview - (Click thumbnails for larger versions)

Matrix West

Status: Completed (2002)
Height: 83 m
Floors: 28

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Matrix East

Status: Completed (2002)
Height: 95 m
Floors: 32

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Apex West

Status: Completed (2003)
Height: 108 m
Floors: 36

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Apex East

Status: Completed (2003)
Height: 83 m
Floors: 28

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Optima

Status: Completed (2003)
Height: 103 m
Floors: 34

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Habour View Lofts

Status: Completed (2005)
Floors: 7

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Harbour View Estates I

Status: Completed (2005)
Height: 121 m
Floors: 41

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Harbour View Estates II

Status: Completed (2005)
Height: 153 m
Floors: 49

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Harbour View Estates III

Status: Completed (2005)
Floors: 36

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Harbour View Estates III South

Status: Completed (2005)
Floors: 26

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The Gallery

Status: Completed
Floors: 8

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West One

Status: Completed
Height: 136 m
Floors: 49

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N1

Status: Completed
Height: 114 m
Floors: 42

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Montage

Status: Completed
Height: 131 m
Floors: 46

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Neo

Status: Completed
Floors: 15

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Luna

Status: Construction (2009 end)
Height: 115 & 56 m
Floors: 38 & 18

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Panorama

Status: Construction
Floors: 25 & 6 floor podium

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Parade

Status: Construction
Height: Towers 1 & 3 - 113 m
Towers 2 & 4 - 58 m
Floors: Towers 1 & 3 - 36
Towers 2 & 4 - 18

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Signature

Status: Proposed (2012 end)
Height: 218 m
Floors: 69

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Sources: Urbandb (Photos by Bob Krawczyk)
Emporis (Photos by Lawrence Black and Edward Chamberlain.)
UrbanToronto (Photos by avatarreb and casaguy)

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Great development

Amazing!

Very amazing, but the fact that all of the buildings look the same is very boring and ugly imo, and will ruin the toronto skyline. Would be a very nice place to live nonetheless.

WOW.

The designs in my opinion are a bit bland. Boring.. maybe just a little bit. 1 Storey podiums... But hell, twenty of them within a smallish area is amazing. It won't ruin the skyline. In fact, this will do wonders for the weak skyline shot from the islands. Surely it is Toronto's mini-Vancouver.

Very Nice! :okay:

Nice pics

you forgot Montage, currently under construction, 47s

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some random shots of CP

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Cityplace can sell their towers instantly. It's like magic. The towers are released and then sold instantly. Typically construction starts immediately. It really boggles the mind.

Sounds ok to me. Should be quite a good addition to the skyline!

i think this is great that each individual area in toronto is getting its own style of buildings. This just adds to the great variety of buildings and styles in toronto. for this area... cityplace type buildings are perfect for it... other areas of toronto, these buildings probably wouldn't work.

Here is a pic showing the 9 cityplace towers completed.
To the top of the picture across the street 5 more cityplace towers are under construction. There is still 6 more to begin construction.

9 - COMPLETED
5 - UNDER CONSTRUCTION
6 - AWAITING SALES

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nice flats. improving an already amazing skyline.

very nice :D

I thought there was a thread about this development before. I remember posting photos in there!

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WOW! Best Cityplace thread ever :) I love this development, so I'm glad to see it on here IN ITS OWN THREAD :) :) :)

Except.. the HVE (Harbour View Estates') podiums are too short... the smaller two towers in this project have nice 2-storey ones though :) Perfect pedestrian scale, IMO on those ones...

I'll add my Cityplace photos later... noone really has seen them... and they show it from ground level up close :)

It's nice that that area is getting developed but I find the designs a little boring. Streetlevel is nice but I still think there should be more podium to the towers, but this really won't be extending downtown's streetlife to the west so I guess it's nice.

When is signature going to be released??

I wonder how traffic will be in this area once everything is completed, traffic is already bad in this area. Also now that the Front St. extension doesn't look like it will be done I can't help to wonder how the traffic is going to be in this area long term.

I have this one render of the cityplace but it's probably outdated now?

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Anyways looks good :)

Here is a pic showing the 9 cityplace towers completed.
To the top of the picture across the street 5 more cityplace towers are under construction. There is still 6 more to begin construction.

9 - COMPLETED
5 - UNDER CONSTRUCTION
6 - AWAITING SALES

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Really wish they did more at streetlevel. The next phase will apparentely fix some of this but I wish they did it right from the start.

I wish we get more blue glass in there. Now its mostly grey and green but the new towers will be blue like the waterclub towers.

That will be such a great area!

What was that golf course for anyway? Was it just to gain money for Cityplace? It was a real eyesore

cool

So are people actually able to see Blue Jay games there or is a lot of the view still mostly blocked?

So are people actually able to see Blue Jay games there or is a lot of the view still mostly blocked?

I live in the Optima building at CityPlace and the unit I bought is on the East side of the building (i.e. the side directly beside the SkyDome/'Rogers Centre'). Our unit is up in the 30s so when the Dome is open, we can watch the games. In the summer, I would sit on the balcony on the weekends with a coffee and the paper and enjoy the games (kind of like a SkyBox!). So far, we've been able to see the Jays, Argos, and the summer exhibition soccer games. Granted, the players are way small though...

I can post some pics if people are interested...

ya that would be cool...please do :)

ya that would be cool...please do :)

Ok, for some reason it says that I "may not" post images....can someone clue me in to how I can address this problem??

That is because you have to host your images somewhere and link them in your post once it's done.
Refer to this post for advice on how to do that:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=59844

What was that golf course for anyway? Was it just to gain money for Cityplace? It was a real eyesore
I think it was too earn some money from the land while they worked on the buildings east of Spadina.

I can post some pics if people are interested...

Yea that would be cool, please do.

Heres a future render of Toronto showing Cityplace to the right of the CN Tower

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Night shot
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It doesn't look like it but the towers all have a lighting scheme. "Warm by Night", it's pretty nice. Spot lights are fixed at the building's crowns and they glow orange and red colours. When you see them with the skydome, which is always well lit, it's pretty impressive. If the CN Tower was lit.. that would really be a spectacle. I'm glad that CityPlace had the provisions for a night time lighting system, it makes a big difference.

:drool:

post 1 has signature tower as uc. Is that right????

post 1 has signature tower as uc. Is that right????

Unfortunately, Signature will be the last tower to be concstructed. However, given the pace at which these towers are going up, I suspect that we can expect it within the next 3-4 years.

Anyone know which architecture firm or firms are working on this project. James KM Cheng Architects?

They probably have one master design copy, and then make it conform to the building shape. That's why they all look so characterless and boring.

Nice towers!

This photo is a few months shy of being a year old.. well, it was taken last spring, when the snow was finally melting... I would say in March or April...

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And, two models that show the setup quite well... I don't even think these have ever been posted in the SSC Toronto forums before:

http://www.ibigroup.com/facilities/img/CityPlace_model_med.jpg

http://www.ibigroup.com/case/popups/img/cityplace.jpg

I notice the tallest one visible in that model has a spire, nice. ;) Thanks for posting those, sheds a bit more light on what's happening.

^^ i think those last models might have been early ones because HVE is missing a tower and optima is not in them.

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HVE under construction

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That's a great pic. Love that canyon look.

There starting West one now right?

I would kill for this view
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Nov 27, 2005

The land in the foreground will all become condos
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EXCELLENT pic... i can't wait to see the finished product.

There starting West one now right?

I would kill for this view


West one, N1/N2 , Neo and montage are all under construction. west one and N1/N2 are at ground level while the other two are still in excavation

When did this development first start and when is it likely to be completed?

I believe planning started almost 10 years ago.......

2009 or 2010 I think is the date of completion for all towers including Signature

So Long Golf Course:

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hahaha thats funny

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very good pic :drool:

Nov 27, 2005

The land in the foreground will all become condos
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But isn't the development mostly done/ most towers?

It doesn't even seem too large at this point, I've easily walked the whole thing... is all that land really going to be taken up the the remaining part of the project?

The development is just over half done, and some of the best and tallest buildings are too come. Thyrve, a park will also be added in there somwhere, as most of the remaining development will hug Spadina and the railyards, I think.

WOW

Is that roundhouse beside the skydome used for anything? If it isn't it should be! It would make an awesome little art gallery or something.

Is that roundhouse beside the skydome used for anything? If it isn't it should be! It would make an awesome little art gallery or something.

If you are referring to the 3/4 circle just south of the CN tower and Skydome, then it is currently the home of the Steam Whistle Brewing Co. It's actually a pretty cool place. They have tours and a bistro/bar area wher you can order food and try their beer.

I love the facades in this project! Must be amazing to live there!

The area has a lot of potential, and its great that people are living there. From what I've heard the waterfront area in Toronto is pretty lifeless and poorly connected to the city itself. I think what needs to happen is they have to get rid of the Gardiner at least downtown. I wouldn't even bother with burying it, just remove it like they did in San Francisco, Portland and Seoul.

^^^ It's only a small part of the waterfront that is disconnected from the city. That small part just happens to be near downtown. Toronto has a long waterfront, with many beaches and such, it gets plenty of use by the residence of the city. Dont confuse the small part of the waterfront near downtown to other 95% of the waterfront

The sad reality is the busiest part of the waterfront in the heart of the downtown core is the section with the most dire need for redevelopment, and it doesn't seem the transformation will take hold any time soon. Where's the money?

Actually, it's the western section of the downtown harbour that is still to redeveloped....the section from the EX-Ontario Place, over to Yonge is highly developed, mixed-use, HIGHLY visited (millions and millions), and has the best cultural infastructure of any similar sized area on the consinent.

I wouldn't call the railway lands "waterfront"...close, but not really. Cityplace takes up almost half of it, and since it's one single developer, will probably be the least attractive part of the whole railway lands...single developer mega projects are always less than ideal....it's gonna resemble a sort of Vancouver look...and that's not a compliment.






KGB

Meanwhile, the industrial wasteland begins east of Yonge Street, and such prime real estate with lake and city-views continues to be wasted, rather than transformed into an urban space that city dwellers can enjoy and call home.

Even along that so-called 'highly-developed' stretch there is no continuous waterfront promenade. There are a few small facilities around the ferry pier, then a few spotty marinas, a few empty plots, and another short promenade afterwards. There needs to be more connectivity.

going to be very busy up in toronoto.

KGB

Just to clarify . . . . is the area between Ontario Place and Yonge not considered the western part of downtown?

Im just curious as you seem to contradict yourself in your post.

DENSITY!

June 11, 2005
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Forget about the clouds! I used the smudge tool!
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nice persepective on those shots... great find skybean!

Will the second half of this development give anyone the incentive to cross into this neighbourhood besides the people who will be living there.

Will the second half of this development give anyone the incentive to cross into this neighbourhood besides the people who will be living there.

"KGB Just to clarify . . . . is the area between Ontario Place and Yonge not considered the western part of downtown? Im just curious as you seem to contradict yourself in your post."


Yes it is...I meant eastern.






KGB

Actually, it's the western section of the downtown harbour that is still to redeveloped....the section from the EX-Ontario Place, over to Yonge is highly developed, mixed-use, HIGHLY visited (millions and millions), and has the best cultural infastructure of any similar sized area on the consinent.

I wouldn't call the railway lands "waterfront"...close, but not really. Cityplace takes up almost half of it, and since it's one single developer, will probably be the least attractive part of the whole railway lands...single developer mega projects are always less than ideal....it's gonna resemble a sort of Vancouver look...and that's not a compliment.

KGB


Don't flatter yourself. TOs Cityplace does not even begin to compare to the original in Vancouver built by the same developer. Even though van's buildings are very similar they have more variety , more parkland, and most importantly are directly connected to the city grid without the interuption of a freeway.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/vannmann/68192935_9875e8c55a_o.jpg

What I will concede is that Toronto has the height





KGB[/QUOTE]

Pretty pictures of folks jogging aside, Concord Pacific's "neighbourhood" is one dimensional and repetitious. It may be connected but it might as well have a "gate" around it because that's what it feels like... a gated community.

As for the frequent comparisons between this 82 hectare site (and $3 billion worth of real estate if it is fully built) and the taller but "smaller" $1.5 Billion Toronto version (Cityplace)... I say who cares.

Cityplace isn't nearly as important to Toronto as Concord Pacific is to Vancouver.

Toronto has many mega-projects underway besides Cityplace, worth many billions... the airport redevelopment alone is worth $4.5 Billion. The PORTLANDS project covers 340 hectares, not including parks.

One might even suggest that the explosion of condos west of the Humber near Palace Pier (not included in the pic) is almost a "mega-project" (multiple developers).

Here's a snapshot of some of the larger ones.


http://www.upside-down.ca/sdphotos/LARGE-PROJECTS.jpg


Fort York Neighbourhood - 2 towers complete, U/C includes Malibu, sales includes West Harbour City.

http://www.ibigroup.com/case/img/fleet_railway2_med.jpg

WOW. Very very nice work elliot. Great compilation of the mega projects. You never fail to amaze me with your work.

Wow, you should post more of TOs other projects. Are there alot of suburban towers being built?

Cant wait for signature!

Don't flatter yourself. TOs Cityplace does not even begin to compare to the original in Vancouver built by the same developer. Even though van's buildings are very similar they have more variety , more parkland, and most importantly are directly connected to the city grid without the interuption of a freeway.[IMG][IMG]ht

What I will concede is that Toronto has the height.
I am certainly not convinced of that at all. I think firstly one has to wait
til the Toronto project is completed, and secondly I was not greatly impressed by the spanking new neighbourhoods when I was in Vancouver. The sidewalks
seemed perversely empty. Cars on the street disappear under the new
condos, and no one seems to be on street level. In the evenings the
place seemed dead.
The two projects strike me as being very similar.

Don't flatter yourself. TOs Cityplace does not even begin to compare to the original in Vancouver built by the same developer.

I wouldn't want so many bland buildings anyways. You guys seem to enjoy yours though. :)

I wouldn't want so many bland buildings anyways. You guys seem to enjoy yours though. :)
Heehee! You bad, Jaye! ;)

So many of those towers in Vancouver are clones of each other to the extent that it does looks bland now. Variety seems to be out the window...

Even though van's buildings are very similar they have more variety , more parkland, and most importantly are directly connected to the city grid without the interuption of a freeway
There is no variety to be found in such a quantity of characterless design, as anybody living outside of Vancouver will attest. The word moderation has been entirely ignored in both situations, although this problem is visibly much more acute in Vancouver. For Toronto, it will serve as a dull and ugly testiment to the dangers of early 21rst century over-excessiveness. Praise God this monsterous development is concentrated in as small an area as possible so as not to dilute the exquisite architectural diversity that can be found in Toronto.

You would do well to better inform yourself from now on, rather then relying on such ridiculous ideas to attack a mediocre development. One can easily see that the development is in no way bisected by a highway, but is in fact connected to the city by one of downtown's main arteries. It does seem that it is seperated from the lakeshore's boardwalks and parks, as is the rest of downtown. Fortunately, none too many are discouraged from a brisk walk beneath an elevated highway or a quick ride on a streetcar to access the waterfront's ammenities. Thank God for public transit. The developer has proposed that 22 of 45 acres of the development be preserved for a 'parkland system'. If that is insufficient, then there is of course the harbourfront, and Clarence square. Not to mention, if one does grow bored of parks and the like (not to mention subzero temperatures in their frigid winters), there is always the world's third theatre capital, a Chinatown close at hand (albeit the one in Toronto makes for safe forays), and such an abudance of activities and comforts that are already established.

So many of those towers in Vancouver are clones of each other to the extent that it does looks bland now. Variety seems to be out the window...


I would agree that Van has many clone towers that look too much alike.To say that Van loooks bland now is an over statement.Vancouver loves its sleek glass towers.Most people probably don't realize this but Van in the 60s was one of the first cities in North America to build all glass modernist towers. It's funny though how nobody ever gives credit where credit is due.

Completely experimental communities have been created in Vancouver and are being copied in different ways throughout the world.Planners from Seattle, Dubai ,San Fransisco, Portland and even Hong Kong have taken lessons from Van and applied them in there own ways.

I don't know about TO, but Vancouver's greyish blueish towers match the sky really well most of the year. Earthy colours or black (shudders) seem oddly out of place. But yah, the False Creek dev etc do seem fairly empty of people.....i had no idea TO had so many big projects....

what are you people, mad?

I don't know about TO, but Vancouver's greyish blueish towers match the sky really well most of the year. Earthy colours or black (shudders) seem oddly out of place. But yah, the False Creek dev etc do seem fairly empty of people.....i had no idea TO had so many big projects....

....and those aren't even the "heavy hitters";);).....Ritz, Caddilac, Trump, BA, Shangri, Four Seasons.....the list goes on:D:D

Beside signature tower, i really dont like this project at all. I dont know if any of you from Toronto have been there recently but it is completely empty. Though i enjoy living in quiet neighbourhoods, they dont really belong in downtown. And its the same in Vancouver except at a much larger level. Thank god TOs development is concenterated in one area and thus doesnt destroy the over all feel of downtown.

Beside signature tower, i really dont like this project at all. I dont know if any of you from Toronto have been there recently but it is completely empty. Though i enjoy living in quiet neighbourhoods, they dont really belong in downtown. And its the same in Vancouver except at a much larger level. Thank god TOs development is concenterated in one area and thus doesnt destroy the over all feel of downtown.
Uhmmm... well, maybe one possible reason it is so 'empty' is that it is only
half built. Don't you think maybe it would be fair to let the project finish
it before you label it 'empty'.
I od'd on green and blue glass buildings in Vancouver, and I can assure you
they look completely bland after about the millionth one. People in Vancouver
should stop *shuddering* at other colours (even black) or their city is going
to look silly.
Look at that awful mess of an office tower downtown that is half black (on
the bottom) and half clear on the top, because a dogmatic city council made
them switch half way through. Boy, that taught them a lesson not to build
with black glass.

I would agree that Van has many clone towers that look too much alike.To say that Van loooks bland now is an over statement.Vancouver loves its sleek glass towers.Most people probably don't realize this but Van in the 60s was one of the first cities in North America to build all glass modernist towers. It's funny though how nobody ever gives credit where credit is due.

Completely experimental communities have been created in Vancouver and are being copied in different ways throughout the world.Planners from Seattle, Dubai ,San Fransisco, Portland and even Hong Kong have taken lessons from Van and applied them in there own ways.

B L A N D

I can't hepl paying more attention to theCN Tower than to CP.

Can't help looking at the CN Tower rather than the CP

Dec 16, 2005
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Cool, I went up the tower tuesday night and that lighting is really kick ass

Dec 16, 2005
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I hate those train tracks....but other than that, the pic is great:D:D

Hey, they may look bland but at least they have night lighting

Cityplace's "Warm By Night"
http://static.flickr.com/43/79716709_a9b7768274_o.jpg

It looks a fantastic place to live. A tower, with great views, near the city center... What more we can expect?

How many costs a flat on this towers?

I hate those train tracks....but other than that, the pic is great:D:D

Why? The give romanticism to the view... ;)

Ok, ok... I'm a railway lover. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/117.jpg

From Istrian :)

here are the heights for the six towers west of montage

44 storey 142m 131+11 mech
40 storey 129.5m 122+7.5
38 storey 122.5m 115+7.5
24 storey 82.5m 75+7.5
22 storey 72.5m 65+7.5
22 storey 72.5m 65+7.5

from the city

http://backup.sevenl.net/~cassius/CityPlaceWest1.jpg

Nice heights.

Is it me, or do those just look the same? Will it just be those three towers with 'that' design?

The view from CityPlace-HVE

http://bricks.labattracks.net/kiwanis/toronto/HVEII/IMG_1184.jpg
http://bricks.labattracks.net/kiwanis/toronto/HVEII/IMG_1186.jpg
http://bricks.labattracks.net/kiwanis/toronto/HVEII/IMG_1187.jpg
http://bricks.labattracks.net/kiwanis/toronto/HVEII/IMG_1188.jpg
http://bricks.labattracks.net/kiwanis/toronto/HVEII/IMG_1189.jpg
http://bricks.labattracks.net/kiwanis/toronto/HVEII/IMG_1191.jpg
http://bricks.labattracks.net/kiwanis/toronto/HVEII/IMG_1195.jpg
http://bricks.labattracks.net/kiwanis/toronto/HVEII/IMG_1197.jpg
http://bricks.labattracks.net/kiwanis/toronto/HVEII/IMG_1205.jpg
http://bricks.labattracks.net/kiwanis/toronto/HVEII/IMG_1229.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/43/84701600_9001e8431e_b.jpg

^^^ thats a really amazing pic and it includes all the completed cityplace towers

CITY PLACE ROCKS!!!!

COOL PIC MATE :eek2: ^^ LATER

man west one and n are moving along and you could also see infinty, 18 yonge and pinnacle to the right of rogers centre in that pic

Nice pic:D

Man!, great view from your apartment!!

Does anyone know what will be built south of the new Fort York Blvd road (basically in front of the Montage & Neo buildings)? Is there going to be a park there?

Does anyone know what will be built south of the new Fort York Blvd road (basically in front of the Montage & Neo buildings)? Is there going to be a park there?

why don't you look at the first page.

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507toooa.jpg

Thanks. The two buildings that are being built in front of the Montage and Neo, what are they called?

N1/N2 , West One and the Gallery

N2? I thought the N1/N2 building was on the East side of Spadina? Or are you talking about a different N2?

montage and neo are on the nw corner of fort york blvd and spadina ,and west one and n are on the sw corner of fort york blvd and spadina

So to clarify, Location A is Montage and Neo?

How about Location B then?

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/6425/2507toooaa2lz.jpg

In fact it would be cool if someone could name/mark all the Cityplace develops on the picture.

Location B is N1/N2 and West one. Where you labeled N1/N2 is Habourview Estates (HVE 1,2,3,4).

Here is a pic of HVE. The 4 towers in the front

http://static.flickr.com/43/84701600_9001e8431e_b.jpg

It's coming along nicely

Thanks for the clarification guys!

^

<LOL>there is sales centre with fairly helpful sales staff - north of HVE, east of Montage, west of Optima, and south of Apex


P.S. - by chance, are you the forumer from several months ago who ask a zillion ridiculous location questions about west one and how they were interested in buying only to eventually disappear when told it had been sold out?

^

<LOL>there is sales centre with fairly helpful sales staff - north of HVE, east of Montage, west of Optima, and south of Apex


P.S. - by chance, are you the forumer from several months ago who ask a zillion ridiculous location questions about west one and how they were interested in buying only to eventually disappear when told it had been sold out?

I can't post around here without you picking on me eh? I guess you got nothing better to do than to troll around a condos forum...yikes...

Nah, I just found this forum so I'm really sorry to disappoint you that I'm not that other newbie you bullied around.

Are you one of those guys that sounds big behind a keyboard but is a wuss in real life?

Let's find out. Would love to meet you in the GTA and since you're such a big shot, maybe you can educate me on condo purchasing. :|

Nice project but why they havn't capped the railroad tracks between the development with a park or something to hide that ugly shit is beyond me..... or do they plan to do that one day?

beautiful picture... UPC winning material too.

Toronto's cityplace is coming along marvellously.

June 23, 2005

Height of skydome roof is approximately 300ft tall
http://static.flickr.com/26/64558827_0eb840e691_b.jpg

Scraper Dude:

I agree with you that the tracks should be covered- but i don't believe this will be happening anytime soon. As far as i know, the tracks belong to CN and CP Railways, meaning the lands are in private hands-

Who knows, this may happen sometime in the next decade though?

p5

I can't post around here without you picking on me eh? I guess you got nothing better to do than to troll around a condos forum...yikes...

Nah, I just found this forum so I'm really sorry to disappoint you that I'm not that other newbie you bullied around.

Are you one of those guys that sounds big behind a keyboard but is a wuss in real life?

Let's find out. Would love to meet you in the GTA and since you're such a big shot, maybe you can educate me on condo purchasing. :|

Don't worry, he tries to bully everyone. Just smack him hard and he backs off.

At least 4 cranes at Cityplace
http://static.flickr.com/25/91916594_216eaa6b3b_o.jpg

wow.. nice pic. the lines from the back window of the car make it look special!

Not sure if I like the towers themselves as they look pretty generic, but it's great how they are creating a totally new and signifcant skyline on the other side of town!!...with them standing around Sky Dome and CN Tower, and on the opposite of the latter 2 I just mentioned.

OK it's not Cityplace, but I can't believe the progress on RoCP... I guess spring temperatues in late January make them want to "pour and pour!!! The last 16 floors were poured today.

http://www.upside-down.ca/sdphotos/ROCPtop.jpg





....just kidding.

What exact location is that? ^^

bay and college.that photo is a mock up ,the building is currently at 38 floors.^ and will eventually be 52.

http://static.flickr.com/27/37709628_26e0213eda_b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/22/34095161_8e06732387_b.jpg

^ nice view

What a different view... sad, but I've never seen that perspective in Toronto in my life... wow

http://static.flickr.com/22/34095161_8e06732387_b.jpg
Is that blue cladding going on the Skydome????:D:D:D

Is that blue cladding going on the Skydome????:D:D:D


I'm pretty sure that you are looking at the blue glass of the Renaissance hotel

Death to parking lots.

Is that blue cladding going on the Skydome????:D:D:D

Isnt it the (sp)Renassaince Hotel?

^^Yup....my bad;).......

Nevermind

Feb 13, 2006
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nice! can anyone tell me how dense it is in the area in the pic above ^^ ? just curious

Wow, looks great, I always thought the Toronto skyline was a little weak to the left of the Skydome, but this evens things out nicely.

Great pic

Wow, its looking great.

It's great that every time I go to Toronto, there is a new building (or 6!) sprung up along the Gardiner. It really creates a unique feeling when you drive right through downtown on the Gardiner, with all of those buildings shooting up all around you.

Well done, TO!

Any new pics? Montage has started. I think its the most unique and different building there.

http://www.cityplace.ca/montage/
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/Toronto416/montage.jpg

Revive this thread guys

Courtesy of Etheren

http://static.flickr.com/34/105683365_abdddc12c3_b.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/52/105543656_ed72ff08f3_b.jpg
Bonus: More condos....
http://static.flickr.com/35/105668455_f36ae0e920_b.jpg

very very nice, very glassy too

I am going to be downtown at the ACC to watch the raptors take on the boston celtics.. and i know i will be walking around looking at cityplace...i'll give you my personal first hand accounts of it when i get back

Toronto's downtown is booming! :happy:

Nice towers, but....

from the pictures I have seen the public space looks kinda boring. This is just living in towers, not living in a real city like seen in Manhatten, European and Asian city centers. Were are all the shops etc??

How do the people in those towers live? They ride outside the parking from their tower towards the parking in the Mall and back? Do they ever come outside? All I see are cars and buildings, were are the people??

^^
Be patient, Cymen. Shops will arrive when people live there. If there's no people, why shops must be open there? It's ridiculous!
Time, it's the key.

They are building some retail in the later phases. There is some retail relatively close by as is and it is a short streetcar ride away from Chinatown and all its offerings.

pluss the development will have a school, daycare and more.

^^ A baseball park is going to put in as well. There is already a Brunos food in HVE

Every time I drive by there I am still amazed at the progress of this project.

Just went through the whole thread and there have been some truly amazing pics posted by forumers. :okay:

I love how Cityplace is greatly extending Toronto's traditonal CBD.

BTW Does Cityplace include any mid-rise to tall office buildings @ this stage? - or @ least any planned? What about entertainment facilities such as cinemas, theatres etc?

A model of Signature Tower HERE (http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=414472)

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Shameless bump.

There hasn't been a pic update on this huge project for almost 2 months *checks out Canadian forums* Didn't even get any answers on my last post *wahhhh*

all i know is that Montage is under construction. About 430 feet. THe most different of the them all.
Harbour view estates tower 1 is built, 2 is being contructed. About 460 feet.
Harbour view estates tower 3 is in sales.
N1 is under construction. N2 is in sales. All close to 400 feet.

Anyone know how many buildings in city place are built, under construction and are going to be built.

I think they built or builiding most of the bigger ones expect signature and they are smaller towers left. I think.

BTW Does Cityplace include any mid-rise to tall office buildings @ this stage? - or @ least any planned? What about entertainment facilities such as cinemas, theatres etc?

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Offices - No, which is one of my critiques of the project, but it does make the traditional skyline view (from the lake) look extended and good.

4 of the completed cityplace buildings located on front street are a hop and a skip way from the entertainment district. The rest is further away. Nothing major is planned, except for some smaller scale retail.

http://www.urbandb.com/company/concord_adex/
It shows what going with city place. Its going full steam ahead.

7 builings are complete.
Harbour View Estates - Tower 1 41 stories Completed
Apex - West Tower 108m 36 stories Completed
Optima 103m 34 stories Completed
Matrix - East Tower 95m 32 stories Completed
Apex - East Tower 83m 28 stories Completed
Matrix - West Tower 83m 28 stories Completed
Harbour View Estates - Lofts 7 stories Completed

7 are under Construction
Harbour View Estates - Tower 2 153.4m 49 stories Construction
Harbour View Estates - Tower 3 36 stories Construction
Harbour View Estates - Tower 4 26 stories Construction
West One 148m 49 stories Construction
Montage 49 stories Excavation
N1 125m 42 stories Construction
The Gallery 8 stories Construction

8 are proposed
Signature 217.5m 69 stories Proposed
Block 26W - Tower 1 122m 40 stoires Proposed
Block 29 - Tower 1 115m 38 stories Proposed
Luna - Tower 1 38 stories Proposed
Block 26W - Tower 2 65m 22 stories Proposed
Block 29 - Tower 2 65m 22 stories Proposed
Luna - Tower 2 18 stories Proposed
Neo 15 stories Proposed


I got 22 buildings but i am missing N2.

Out of the proposed ones which one is getting close to getting started?
Most of the big ones are built or under construction. So i think they will build the ones under 40 stories first then do Signature last.
My favourite is Signature. It will look massive because nothing will come close to its height like Residences of Collage place-1.

Well really some of the ones that are constructed are really almost built.

At this rate Signature should come out soon.

there are no office buildings because it is supposed to be a residential development. i would like to see more street level retail and restaurant activity however.

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N1 125m 42 stories Construction
..........

I got 22 buildings but i am missing N2.



N1/N2 is one building, that's why

there are no office buildings because it is supposed to be a residential development. i would like to see more street level retail and restaurant activity however.

I guess it's supposed to be a quiet area in downtown Toronto, with little action etc... people can go to the nearby districts such as the Entertainment District if that's what they're after.

Cityplace is almost surreal in how calm it is, and modern, and... clean and minimalist.

-thryve

So N1/N2 is like Montage and Montage LE?

I guess it's supposed to be a quiet area in downtown Toronto, with little action etc... people can go to the nearby districts such as the Entertainment District if that's what they're after.

Cityplace is almost surreal in how calm it is, and modern, and... clean and minimalist.

-thryve

.... and will basically isolate itself the rest of downtown. But I hope it turns out better streetlevel wise than the condos around the ACC.

so city place is basically the new st. james town. no?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/47/St_James_Town.JPG/300px-St_James_Town.JPG

http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/west1_2006-03-12.jpg

West One

Lord Mandeep's information is incorrect as far as what is under construction and what is complete. I thought I would clarify with a couple documents.
Firstly is a graphical document which IS NOT 100% ACCURATE. Especially considering tower design, however up until this point all of the towers that have been constructed have been the same design. West One, N, and Montage are all different designs than what is shown here.

Titles shown in RED are COMPLETED
Titles shown in YELLOW are U/C/sales
Titles shown in BLUE are proposed/sales

Hope this clears up a lot of discrepencies.
http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/moss.productions@rogers.com/detail_hires?.dir=2384&.dnm=1b67scd.jpg

CITY PLAN
http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/moss.productions@rogers.com/detail_hires?.dir=2384&.dnm=e999scd.jpg

I have no idea why some people are so pessimistic about this project. Why would anyone assume it will seal itself off from the rest of downtown or become a low rental housing project?? Wishful thinking for naysayers. It is bringing thousands of people into the core, and will do wonders for the entire downtown, particularily Chinatown, King East, King West, etc... and will finally make old Fort York accessible and useable, and enjoyed. Would it have been
better to have left it as a golf driving range? Now, if the entire downtown core
were like this, threatening a version of Hong Kong, then I would heartily campaign against it. But it isn't... we have all our beautiful neighbourhoods
with mixed useage, and domestic scale residential. There is room for a project
like this in Toronto of 2006, and I think there are a great many cities who
would be happy to have this happening in an area that was incredibly underused. The very fact this is happening points to how healthy downtown
Toronto is.

I have no idea why some people are so pessimistic about this project. Why would anyone assume it will seal itself off from the rest of downtown or become a low rental housing project?? Wishful thinking for naysayers. It is bringing thousands of people into the core, and will do wonders for the entire downtown, particularily Chinatown, King East, King West, etc... and will finally make old Fort York accessible and useable, and enjoyed. Would it have been
better to have left it as a golf driving range? Now, if the entire downtown core
were like this, threatening a version of Hong Kong, then I would heartily campaign against it. But it isn't... we have all our beautiful neighbourhoods
with mixed useage, and domestic scale residential. There is room for a project
like this in Toronto of 2006, and I think there are a great many cities who
would be happy to have this happening in an area that was incredibly underused. The very fact this is happening points to how healthy downtown
Toronto is.
My beefs with it are pretty simple (I think):

First, it is off the grid as far as I am concerned (I know some people don't agree with this). It has no north/south connections with the city other than Spadina. And the east/west connections are poor at best. Find me an off grid development in Toronto that has been successful. I can't think of one.

Second, it does not have mixed use. These are homes, and a few shops. There is not a single office complex. All the good neighbourhoods in this town are integrated.

Third, the architecture sucks in my opinion. This is debatable. Hopefully it improves with the new ones going up.

Fourth, Spadina is a freaking highway on ramp at this point.

I agree that it needed to be developed, but would have preferred that the property was parceled off; more connections were put in place, and developed piecemeal like the rest of town.

I've never seen something so close to downtown, yet so far away. The reasons that downtown Toronto is healthy are in contrast with this form of development.

Well, all we can do is just wait til it is done, and then make an assessment. I still
say there is room for a project like this, as having that land available was a unique
situation. There is no fear that other neighbourhoods are going to be razed to make
room for new CityPlaces.

I have no idea why some people are so pessimistic about this project. Why would anyone assume it will seal itself off from the rest of downtown .

Simple. It, from the surface, appears like a Miami style gated condo community, only with no physical gate (or water obstacle).

No one will be attracted to the area except for residents, hence most people will just drive through it, instead of being apart of the rest of downtown where people go to mingle/shop/be entertained. Such prime land, such a waste of use being so single purpose.

Why, then would people who don't live at Cityplace, would venture down there? What purpose would they have?

I was walking down through Cityplace the other day, and there was a suprising amount of pedestrian traffic, even on Spadina.

I think cityplace is already an urban success, at the very least not a failure.

Simple. It, from the surface, appears like a Miami style gated condo community, only with no physical gate (or water obstacle).

No one will be attracted to the area except for residents, hence most people will just drive through it, instead of being apart of the rest of downtown where people go to mingle/shop/be entertained. Such prime land, such a waste of use being so single purpose.

Why, then would people who don't live at Cityplace, would venture down there? What purpose would they have?

But it is NOT a gated community, is it Roch? I am mystified
why you are so insistent on that aspect. It is not sealed off from the
rest of the city like gated communities in other cities are.... people can drone on and on til Doomsday about how much more pleasant it will be
to wander down Queen Street than City Place, and they are correct. City
Place does not have 200 years of history, does not have cute old Victorian
buildings, and will have none of the charm of say, the Annex. It is a brand,
spanking new development. It will not have the old trees and landscaping of Rosedale. That is beside the point. Toronto is expanding at a rapid rate, and we WANT people to move downtown. What do we do with them when they get downtown? We build condominiums to fit them all in. This happens to be an area of high concentration, just like you will find in other large cities in the world, including New York City, and it will not be a detriment or a threat to the rest of downtown. If someone likes high density living, they will move here. If someone likes mixed useage they will move to any one of other downtown neighbourhoods. These units are all owned, not rented, so it will not become another Jamestown. This is just one part of the fabric of downtown, and in a sense it is a means to an end. We want the population to increase downtown, and this project is helping that. Again, I repeat, if ALL of downtown were like this, I would rebel. But it is not, and there is no indication that this project will spread to everywhere else. Yes there is going to be a similarity between
all the buildings. They are all going to look circa 2005. That happens during
building booms, and there is little that can be done to avoid it. Virtually everything going up in London now will look like it was built in the same decade. They might be different shaped buildings, but they will all look like
they are from the same period, just as PoMo buildings all look like they are
from the same era, regardless of shape. So be it. I have actually walked through this area and been impressed by the accessibility. Have you walked through it and found it to be like a gated community? I think some people are fearing the worst and not
seeing the advantages.

Why, then would people who don't live at Cityplace, would venture down there? What purpose would they have?

In the near future there will be a supermarket and liquor store in City Place. This will bring in people from the waterfront and as far north as Queen to shop here. That's one small reason. The school and park will be another.

Taller.Better: I said its like a gated community, not physically.

And you are missing the point. People have no reason to go to Cityplace. Queen st is quite obvious why people go there, chinatown, bloor & yonge, yonge & dundas, etc,. etc. are all attracted by either shopping or eating. While a gated community keeps people out, Cityplace won't need the gates as people will avoid going there, unless it gets them somewhere quicker.

The reason why I keep on referring to it as like a gated community, is that non-residents, although allowed to go into Cityplace, will not go there. Tourists for example, will go to the CBD, Queen St., maybe touch upon the matrix buildings/front street area as they make their way to the skydome/CN Tower. They may cut a path to Chinatown, and then visit other places, but place and simple, theres nothing attracting them to Cityplace. Cityplace is like a parking lot, while people may drive through it, park their, or whatever, and then walk from their car to get to the mall, people may use the streets of Cityplace to get somewhere else, and not being an actual destination.

Now why will people go to cityplace? Well, you can ask the same about why will people hang around the harbourfront area condos, like the WTC, the pedestrian traffic (which gets better when harbourfront area opens up during the summer) is very minimal, to the point when the retail also suffers. Theres no reason why people really need to be down there, although, the new maple square complex will probably help a lot.

The better planning would have been to open the place up, have a mixed used neighbourhoud throwing in some office. More constant traffic throughout the day (including during the work day) will help make the street level a lot better, as well as to help the retail.

What I think, on the retail level, is that they should try to attract/accomadate big retail chains like GAP, or Jacobs, etc. etc. They should have made the base retail units larger to accomadate such. I really think you can measure a street by its retail.

In the near future there will be a supermarket and liquor store in City Place..

Maybe. I would also forsee people still driving to Loblaws and/or going to the one at maple leaf square.

It will help though if these supermarkets offer reasonably priced delivery services.

This is primarily a residential area, not a tourist destination area, and I would be surprised if they do not develop street level commerical space.. that normally follows. Conversely, though... the thousands of incomers who live here will be a part of the life of tourist destination areas like Chinatown and Queen West. They will not spend every living moment in their condos. Perhaps the people buying these condos actually enjoy the 40 or 50 storey city views... maybe they aren't keen on townhouse living. Perhaps some are buying from cities like Hong Kong and are used to high density living, and actually prefer it. I would not want to live in City Place, as I quite enjoy living in an older, established neighbourhood. But, there are people who thrive on this type of dense living. A newly built mix of height and scale for housing is not always visually successful. Last weekend I took a little tour through King West, as far as King/Dufferin. There are many new mixed areas along there, and some are more successful than others. There are stretches of quite ghastly "Ye Olde Towne Homes" that made my blood curdle. You also see this type of Towne Home thing when you go out to The Beach/es, and it is not always pretty. Faux Victorian, when poorly done, is more frightening than a 50 storey highrise condo. When you walk through Manhattan or any other large city, and come across an area of dense population, no matter how posh, is there any particular reason to visit there unless you live there? Not really... I don't feel drawn to every single area of every city I visit. I can walk through Manhattan's West Side and glance down side streets that are hugely built up, and feel no desire to wander off into these areas. They are older and more established than CityPlace, but the idea is the same. Some areas are built for different reasons than others.
My point is, there is room for a densely populated community like this in Toronto. It may not be what I would choose, or what you would choose, but quite obviously a lot of people are choosing it. Is it harming anything to have an area that is not of mixed scale? I don't think so.

Cityplace looks like it was planned by a child playing Sim City. it's a bunch of buildings, clumsily thrown together, none of which are attractice. it simply (judging by the plans) has no flow. it is ugly. is it better than a driving range? no. could the land have been used more appropriately? yes.

ick. st. james town of the future. guaranteed.

Here's a few updates of CityPlace taken yesterday evening.

http://toast.sevenl.net/~cassius/Toronto/20060502/IMG_1177.jpg

http://toast.sevenl.net/~cassius/Toronto/20060502/IMG_1178.jpg

http://toast.sevenl.net/~cassius/Toronto/20060502/IMG_1179.jpg

http://toast.sevenl.net/~cassius/Toronto/20060502/IMG_1180.jpg

http://toast.sevenl.net/~cassius/Toronto/20060502/IMG_1181.jpg

http://toast.sevenl.net/~cassius/Toronto/20060502/IMG_1182.jpg

http://toast.sevenl.net/~cassius/Toronto/20060502/IMG_1183.jpg

http://toast.sevenl.net/~cassius/Toronto/20060502/IMG_1184.jpg

Cityplace looks like it was planned by a child playing Sim City. it's a bunch of buildings, clumsily thrown together, none of which are attractice. it simply (judging by the plans) has no flow. it is ugly. is it better than a driving range? no. could the land have been used more appropriately? yes.

ick. st. james town of the future. guaranteed.

Your elegant and thoughtful critique has completely won me over.
CityPlace is doomed to complete and utter failure, and will become
a high rise slum in no time. Perhaps we should save time and just
bulldoze the whole thing right now and rebuild the driving range.
It is remarkable how similar your views are to RealEstateJunkie.
Thank you for setting me straight on this issue.

This is primarily a residential area, not a tourist destination area, and I would be surprised if they do not develop street level commerical space.. that normally follows. .

Wait a second. You were questioning how people thought that cityplace would segregate itself from downtown, I think you just answered your own question. It is a strictly a residential area. Hence unlike other downtown areas that are more mixed use, you think that the avg non-cityplace-resident will make use of the area?

Also, you just can't create the commercial space. This has already been created in the base of the buildings, which are quite small.

Your point that there is a need for high density living, was not the point that you were portraying before. There is plenty of high density areas in Toronto, however, there is some land that is obviously prized more than others.

CityPlace is doomed to complete and utter failure, and will become
a high rise slum in no time. .

I agree with your sarcasim. It will be a nice neighbourhood to live - my issues are strictly planning/land use wise. Other than that like I stated in one of my earlier posts, it makes the skyline look expanded, and is quite a massive and impressive complex, planning issues aside. I'm sure the resale values of these units will greatly increase over time.

Guys, this is how it is...

The land would have stayed undeveloped unless a single corporation like Concord came along and decided to create a monotonous development- it's not anyone's first choice to have it developed monotonously, as it's nice to have a big mix of different developments mashed together and not one large, single development,but come on, just be glad that something is being done with that empty land

The area will be better over time as it develops West... they have changed the plans from their original plans, with newer buildings being better incorporated and better designed to suit downtown Toronto

Guys, this is how it is...

-The land would have stayed undeveloped unless a single corporation like Concord came along and decided to create a monotonous development-

I've heard that argument before, and I don't necessarily think its a bad thing. The Cityplace development is taking a big share of the condo market, which would have been supplied by others throughout the city. Granted, you wouldn't have it all concentrated in one area.

It'd be nice if they atleast left open spaces within the development so we could have a mix of architecture... but that just doesn't happen. haha

-thryve

These units are all owned, not rented, so it will not become another Jamestown.

Some of the high-rises at Vic Park and Danforth are condos. Might be the best deal in down.

I appreciate your sentiments, and strongly agree that the development is good for population density downtown. But this is something that could have been so much better like Liberty Village, or West Donlands (maybe) to name a couple alternatives. These are projects that provide similar densities, use up consolidated swaths of land, and are done in a style that is consistent with how the bulk of "the city" has been planned.

Cheers!

the parks, greenspace, vibrancy, street-level retail and restaurants will come with time... once the buildings are built and residents are living in them the services will quickly arrive to serve them. In 20 years Cityplace will be one of the most compact, green, and desirable neighbourhoods in Toronto.

:hilarious the parks, greenspace, vibrancy, street-level retail and restaurants will come with time... once the buildings are built and residents are living in them the services will quickly arrive to serve them. In 20 years Cityplace will be one of the most compact, green, and desirable neighbourhoods in Toronto.

:hahaha:

Right. There are whole sections of town that this logic could apply to, and we have seen that this is not the case.

But I'll have what you're having. :cheers:

HVE looks better when it is surrounded by it's other Cityplace brothers and sisters......

i like how the glass is on montage

the parks, greenspace, vibrancy, street-level retail and restaurants will come with time... .

Like the waterfront condos right? All sarcasim aside, where do you think this retail/rest. will locate? Judging by the size of most of the street level retail, the individual units are too small, just the size probably for a convience store, or drycleaners, etc. I wouldn't count on retail/restaurants except for the odd coffee shop/deli since you can't rebuild the base of the buildings. If they really did want to cater to say restaurants, a better idea would have been for mixed use buildings, where the base is say office, and the tower is residential. I'm sure the lower level condo owners are happy their are no hopping and loud restaurant/bars located a floor or 2 below them.

June 21, 2006
http://static.flickr.com/55/172298225_63de97b6a7_b.jpg

is that west one and N1/N2??

West one is growing tall.

Whats going on with montage??

The area just under the gardinier looks like shit....

Growing!!!

Thanks for the update Skybean. I thought this thread was dead.

I think Montage is the one to the left of West One if I'm not mistaken.

Stunning Projects!!

http://static.flickr.com/49/176695252_04ea493e75_b.jpg

Bonus:
http://static.flickr.com/69/176695253_e0ba4b8103_b.jpg

is that west one and N1/N2??

West one is growing tall.

Whats going on with montage??


Thanks for the update Skybean. I thought this thread was dead.

I think Montage is the one to the left of West One if I'm not mistaken.

Montage is nowhere close to the surface yet, it will be next year before construction reaches grade. The two towers rising now are west one and N1/N2.

Nice new pics

I love Cityplace more and more every day.. and the project is not even close to completion!!! I really hope they follow though with the plan to install a TTC Streetcar Right-of-way along Bremner Blvd.

Toronto is soooo awesome in the summer....

GO JAYS GO!

http://static.flickr.com/27/37709628_26e0213eda_b.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/56/126106856_058b1356cd_b.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/78/182018623_65fb518a6f_b.jpg

gorgeous pix!!! tanx!

I love this project.

More updates. Courtesy of WZ1

http://i.pbase.com/g4/67/580567/2/63016897.WosqMlWY.jpg

Why, then would people who don't live at Cityplace, would venture down there? What purpose would they have?

uhh.....does anybody else think this is completely ridiculous?

why would anybody in the right mind go down to a residential building if they werent meeting someone or lived there?

theres not much you can do in a building that isnt yours.....except maybe use their laundry facilities or public washrooms

i think Cityplace is a fresh new reason to look up in the sky in toronto, although they could of made some office/retail space just to diversify

This Cityplace thingy is starting to grow on me...

...like a crusty fungus between my toes.

Only works for the height-horny people (and even that is not great vs. some of the other things going up that actually have architectural merit). I see no other reason to like it. Maybe Montage will add something to this void.

This Cityplace thingy is starting to grow on me...

...like a crusty fungus between my toes.

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LOL! You have a way with words, Beacher! ;)

http://static.flickr.com/56/126106856_058b1356cd_b.jpg

Marcanadian, you should have this in the UPC!

Unfortunatley those aren't my pics. They were posted by a forumer in the cityscapes section but are from the website Flickr.

really great project!!

July 14, 2006
http://static.flickr.com/71/190668350_11fc7a4412_b.jpg

^^Did you take that while you were moving?!?!......no matter what, that pics is really good:D:D

west one appears to be on it 28th floor.

July 21, 2006

http://static.flickr.com/57/195012191_a473ce30cd_o.jpg

Nice update.

cool...

citplace evens out the skyline alot more

Let's keep this thread active. Here's some pics from Flickr.

http://static.flickr.com/35/89849705_ae9a86d08f_b.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/47/185223844_bd1617cf1b_b.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/55/107783983_ff8c12b103_b.jpg

Such an amazing project, extending the Totonto skyline with gusto!

Thanks for the recnet construction updates Skybean and Marcanadian.

BTW, in this last pic with the land clearance that Marcanadian posted, are there going to be more towers built for the Cityplace development,
including plazas and parks?...or is it going to be something else?

http://static.flickr.com/55/107783983_ff8c12b103_b.jpg

There are more towers planned. I think there are around 12 done which leaves 8 more to be completed. I also heard a baseball park is planned for the area.

^^ Thanks mate for your answer to my question :okay:

Muse
- They are also planning a park with a Toronto theme and a toboggan hill. Details below:

Coupland's toboggan vision
Simon Cheung, National Post
Published: Thursday, January 19, 2006

The writer who defined a generation wants to build a toboggan run in the shadow of the CN Tower.

"The world's best toboggan run," specified Douglas Coupland, who has been hired to design an three-hectare park near the southwest corner of Spadina Avenue and Front Street.

"[It would involve] scientifically carving out the parabolas to make sure you get the best run ever."

The 20,000 truckloads of soil at the site, Mr. Coupland said, could create a toboggan hill that would allow people to see over the Gardiner Expressway. He said the park would also be an attempt to create "funnels and corridors" through what is currently a light industrial area, for people to access Lake Ontario.

Concord Adex Developments Corporation commissioned Mr. Coupland, the Vancouver writer and artist who coined the term "Generation X" with his book of the same name, to do the park.

He was in Toronto yesterday to attend meetings where he and representatives from the Toronto District School Board, local landowners and the Toronto Parks Department, among other groups, discussed their expectations for the site.

"The way people live in cities now is different than it has been in any time in history," he said. "We have to look forward, and do something that reflects the fact that we're in 2006."

The park is a part of the Concord CityPlace development project, which will consist of 20 high-rise towers, six low-rises and 100 townhomes.

The development spans from the Rogers Centre almost to Bathurst Street.

Karen Mills, public art consultant for CityPlace, scouted artists around the world for three years before settling on Mr. Coupland after an initial meeting.

"Everyone was just blown away," she said, adding they wanted to bring Mr. Coupland in at the start of the process.

"We've got all the tools," she said. "[Now] the design team can go off and do their thing."

Alan Vihant, the vice-president of development at Concord Adex Developments, said he expects a concept design by early summer, and for construction to begin in 2007. Expected completion of the $5-million project, he said, is spring, 2008 -- when the park will be given to the City of Toronto as public space.

"Seeing [Mr. Coupland's] sculptural work and seeing his paintings, we thought it was a really interesting mix to fit with the landscape," Mr. Vihant said.

Mr. Coupland, who calls the site "the world's biggest sandbox," said he has been given a blank canvas as a designer, a rarity in urban planning.

He will work with Greg Smallenberg of Vancouver-based landscape architectural firm Phillips Farevaag Smallenberg. Mr. Coupland said he and Mr. Smallenberg have been experimenting in Vancouver with a scale model filled with sand.

"I think maybe what [Concord Adex is] hoping for is a little bit of a shock," said Mr. Coupland, who has never designed a park. "Or they want to be shown something that they really wouldn't have come up with otherwise."

Born in Vancouver in 1961, Mr. Coupland studied art and sculpture in Canada, Italy and Japan. "The scale is different, but sculpture is sculpture is sculpture. It's all about shape, colour, history, context."

Sorry, I haven't really beeen following this. So what's the ststus on Signature? Is it approved?

I believe it is approved and the design is expected to change a bit.

Oh okay.

they need to incorporate a big skate park into the plan...the downtown core really needs one.

ya i wannna hear more about signature...

Some more shots. From UT.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/1hunkwinch/images/WestOne3vsm.JPG
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/thx1038/DSC03227.jpg

What are those u/c ?

Is there some sort of covering over the building...or is that the glass that they are using??

West one ( 136m 49 floors) and N1 (114m 42 floors)

Anyone know anything about Montage??

what kind of transportation options are available to the tenants at cityplace, does a train go through there or something?

West one ( 136m 49 floors) and N1 (114m 42 floors)

Anyone know anything about Montage??

West One is 147.5m is it not???

what kind of transportation options are available to the tenants at cityplace, does a train go through there or something?

they are planning on a bus route

There's the Spadina streetcar, plus it's a short walk to Union Station.

they are planning on a bus route

What the hell are you talking about.

West one ( 136m 49 floors) and N1 (114m 42 floors)

Anyone know anything about Montage??
those heights are to the last occupiable floor and dont include mech penthouse. montage = 471 ft

whats going on with montage??

It's currently U/C.

they are planning on a bus route

yay! they are bringing back the spadina bus!