Time to reserect this thread!

Another new image from the weeks EGI is at the bottom of this thread. All the other images have been seen before and should be back up once my Photobucket bandwith is restored!

Some pics and info on the Victoria Warehouse development, Trafford Park, close to Old Trafford Football Ground! :)

Sorry about the quality on some of the pics!

Info!

21 storey office tower occupying eastern end of the development over looking Trafford Bar interchange, 12 storey hotel beside offices, 211 guest rooms, 271 private apartments, 117 affordable apartments with public realm and open spaces occupying the western half of development, 15.369 sq m office, 8.230 sq m hotel, 1.492 sq m leisure, 876 sq m retail, 820 sq.m community use, 561 car park spaces, total floor space 49.124 sq m!

Architects! Moss architects & associates! Think this is them? http://www.moss-architecture.com/loading.swf
DMD Urban are also involved! http://www.dmdurban.ie/

Aerial shot of development site!(note the closeness to Old Trafford)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/sdkiry.jpg

Road access around development!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture131.jpg

Drawing of development(offices, hotel, apartments)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture129.jpg

Apartments!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture122.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture124.jpg

Hotel!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture125.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/ertyrs.jpg

Offices!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture127.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture126.jpg

£100m plan for warehouse

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ContentResources/789.$plit/C_17_Articles_172339_BodyWeb_Detail_1_Image.jpg

PLANS for the £100m regeneration of the southern bank of the Manchester Ship Canal have been unveiled.

A 211-bedroom five-star hotel will be built on the old Victoria Warehouse site beside Manchester United's stadium, along with 423 flats, 165,000sq ft of office space and a 619-space car park.

The complex, between Trafford Wharf Road and Wharfside Way, will create hundreds of jobs and a gateway from Old Trafford into Salford Quays.


Panamint Properties has bought the 2.25acre site from the Transport Development Group with financial backing from Investec Bank. The plans were drawn up by Moss Architects and Dublin-based urban design consultants Deirdre McDermott and Associates.

Transform

Deirdre McDermott said: "This is a massive regeneration scheme on a particularly strategic site that will transform this area.

"There is no doubt it will revitalise this area, encourage inward investment and create hundreds of jobs."

Old Trafford regulars will be familiar with the brick-built Victoria Warehouse, which forms the hub of the scheme. The design will include an updated version of the Trafford Park mural, projected on to the façade of the new office tower.

TDG will lease back the site while formal planning permission is sought. It is not yet known when construction work will begin.

New rendering!(plus other developments)

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/8460/vicmils7gu.jpg

cant see any tower

Thanks for the info jrb. Again!

I can't see what's what here, and it all looks so mishmash.

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/172/172339_100m_plan_for_warehouse.html

Wrong thread.

what's with photobucket then? does it just delete people's old pictures?

what's with photobucket then? does it just delete people's old pictures?

No. You have to do it yourself. You only get so much space and once it's full you need to get rid of your old pics.

What are the plans for Victoria Warehouse???

It got a premises license back in Sep/Oct, conditions now look to have been revised, with a new licensing variation app.

Can't link to it directly, but,

http://licensing.trafford.gov.uk

click on 'Premises Register' and then search for 'Victoria Warehouse'.

This hotel mention is quite interesting,

ANNEX 3 - CONDITIONS ATTACHED AFTER A HEARING BY THE LICENSING AUTHORITY

Conditions Imposed following Hearing : 28th September, 2010

Conditions agreed with Trafford Council Pollution Section and Salford City Council Environmental Protection Team

1. Licensable activities shall not commence until the start of operations of the associated hotel.

2. The premises licence shall not be transferred from the named premises licence holder, Adam Geoffrey Management Limited.


Edit: Looking at it again, seems they are going after a 4am licence for Fri/Sat, the current one only allows until 2am.

The massive banner ad app looks to have just been approved, applied in 2006???
H/ADV/64084 (http://planning.trafford.gov.uk/Northgate/PlanningExplorerAA/Generic/StdDetails.aspx?PT=Planning%20Applications%20On-Line&TYPE=PL/PlanningPK.xml&PARAM0=333034&XSLT=/Northgate/PlanningExplorerAA/SiteFiles/Skins/Default_AA/xslt/PL/PLDetails.xslt&FT=Planning%20Application%20Details&PUBLIC=Y&XMLSIDE=&DAURI=PLANNING)
Victoria Warehouse, Trafford Park Road, Trafford Park, Manchester.

Display of 20m x 21m illuminated mesh advertisement on side of building previously accommodating the Trafford Park mural.

so I guess we can expect something from these guys (http://www.blowup-media.co.uk) soon.

Seems a good excuse for a bit of mural history...
Trafford Park, 1982 & 1993

The first version of the mural at Trafford Park was completed in 1982. Commissioned by Trafford Park Planning Department - unveiled by Denis Law and filmed by the BBC for Nationwide News. Walter [Kershaw] was assisted by John Abbot, Hilary Cooper and Brigitte Streich in this massive work of art. A new version of the mural was commissioned in 1993.
http://www.walterkershaw.co.uk/trafford1982.htm

http://www.walterkershaw.co.uk/images/trafford/mural82.jpg

1993 commission,

http://www.walterkershaw.co.uk/images/trafford/mural93-2.jpg

and a small scale 2009 update,

http://www.walterkershaw.co.uk/images/trafford/mural2009.jpg
larger copy on Flickr, here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tinkytinkster/4193194203/sizes/l/in/photostream/).

What's happening with the warehouse anyway :dunno:

The massive banner ad app looks to have just been approved, applied in 2006???


so I guess we can expect something from these guys (http://www.blowup-media.co.uk) soon.

Seems a good excuse for a bit of mural history...

http://www.walterkershaw.co.uk/trafford1982.htm

http://www.walterkershaw.co.uk/images/trafford/mural82.jpg

1993 commission,

http://www.walterkershaw.co.uk/images/trafford/mural93-2.jpg

and a small scale 2009 update,

http://www.walterkershaw.co.uk/images/trafford/mural2009.jpg
larger copy on Flickr, here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tinkytinkster/4193194203/sizes/l/in/photostream/).

What's happening with the warehouse anyway :dunno:

It's back up for sale, along with the rest of the site, after the developer behind the planned tower and hotel, either went bankrupt or changed their minds.

It's just that licence app makes me think it's already changed hands, might have to have a dig to see who the agents are/were, anyone know?

Yep, sold by Eddisons, possibly at the end of last year. No info on the new owner though.

Yep, sold by Eddisons, possibly at the end of last year. No info on the new owner though.

I.

There's a whole thread dedicated to the previous proposal. It's floating about in SSC cyber space somewhere.

It could be on again?

It could also be a monster? (if it's a vertical proposal) Or am I barking up the wrong tree?

775 bedroom hotel :eek:

Plus......

Change of use of existing buildings to accommodate a hotel (775 bedrooms) and associated facilities in Use Class D1 (conference and display uses), D2 (Assembly and Leisure including indoor sport, fitness, dance hall, concert hall) and Sui Generis (nightclub). Erection of a single storey extension to form entrance and reception area, associated external treatments, car parking and other works.

Full application here. (no docs yet) rRegistered on the 24,12. So it's only just gone in. Probably rushed through. http://planning.trafford.gov.uk/Northgate/PlanningExplorerAA/Generic/StdDetails.aspx?PT=Planning

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7515/screen20101224223220.jpg

At first I mixed it up with the 24 storey proposal CDX posted last week, but then I saw the amount of hotel rooms. That can't be right can it?

This was the original Stratum tower proposal. Howard Holdings. http://www.howardholdingsplc.com/index.php/development/project/victoria-warehouse-manchester1/

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d102/chasedwar/touch_sky.jpg

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2455/trickytrevhq2.jpg

Looks Like the knock-on affect of Mediacity and United is really having an impact. Just a thought. Wild guess. Wonder if the Glazers are behind this? Trying to increase United's revenue. Perhaps they've look across the 'City'? Exciting times ahead on all fronts. Bring on 2011.

So, (this is me trying to make sense of a proposal I know little off, whilst slightly drunk) this was a proposal for a 700 unit 'apartment' complex, that may now be (if they are keeping the same/similiar design) have been converted into 700 hotel suites???

:eek:

Surely some kind of mistake with the bedrooms. Change of use = conversion, doesn't mention any sizable new build addition, how is that possible...can't wait to see further details for this one.

Adam Geoffrey don't look like massive developers?
http://www.adamgeoffrey.co.uk

All very intriguing.

Here's to 2011 :cheers1:

yes - change of use means the wharehouses are being refurbished - there is a mention of an 1 storey extention to make an entrance...Really hope im wrong

yes - change of use means the wharehouses are being refurbished - there is a mention of an 1 storey extention to make an entrance...Really hope im wrong

Can't believe these two warehouses are going to be turned into one or two hotels, containing 775 bedrooms :nuts:

http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/gallery/d/6529-1/salford-quays-air-aa02066b.jpg

What is it, some kind of Japanese capsule hotel :lol:

Hotel in one, venue in the other? Quite an uneasy mix.

A couple more (bad) aerial shots, from Bing maps,

http://i51.tinypic.com/dxbxxh.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/r0qmme.jpg

one from Flickr,

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2458/3686795375_57dc091e17_b.jpg
Credit: VicWild (http://www.flickr.com/photos/potenzh/3686795375/)

Surely it would make more sense if the 'change of use' applied to the existing application (the new build) not the existing buildings? A badly worded application?

If it applies to converting these buildings, well, they'll make pretty crap hotels, rooms tend to need windows ;). The work needed surely would be less economic than knocking down and starting again?

Surely it would make more sense if the 'change of use' applied to the existing application (the new build) not the existing buildings? A badly worded application?

If it applies to converting these buildings, well, they'll make pretty crap hotels, rooms tend to need windows ;). The work needed surely would be less economic than knocking down and starting again?

Dont think an app was ever put in for Stratum

Allso http://www.adamgeoffrey.co.uk are conversion specialists

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1045809

The proposed dance venue was at Victoria Warehouse and Adam Geoffrey Management were behind it...this app includes concert hall night club etc

Really like the design of the towers (blocks A & B).

You can see that the area round there is ripe for development, being close to the city centre proper and right by Old Trafford. All the light industrial stuff will be gone eventually.

76241/FULL/2010 (http://planning.trafford.gov.uk/Northgate/PlanningExplorerAA/Generic/StdDetails.aspx?PT=Planning%20Applications%20On-Line&TYPE=PL/PlanningPK.xml&PARAM0=396515&XSLT=/Northgate/PlanningExplorerAA/SiteFiles/Skins/Default_AA/xslt/PL/PLDetails.xslt&FT=Planning%20Application%20Details&PUBLIC=Y&XMLSIDE=/Northgate/PlanningExplorerAA/SiteFiles/Skins/Default_AA/Menus/PL.xml&DAURI=PLANNING)
Victoria Warehouse, Trafford Park Road, Trafford Park.

Change of use of existing buildings to accommodate a hotel (775 bedrooms) and associated facilities in Use Class D1 (conference and display uses), D2 (Assembly and Leisure including indoor sport, fitness, dance hall, concert hall) and Sui Generis (nightclub). Erection of a single storey extension to form entrance and reception area, associated external treatments, car parking and other works.

Ok, so here's a little more info.

Plans are from Richard Drinkwater Architects,
http://www.drinkwaterarchitects.com

Adding a few labels to this...

http://i55.tinypic.com/mhzi94.jpg

all buildings to be retained,

A - 424 room hotel, bedrooms on part of ground floor + floors 1-5 above, restaurant on ground floor + additional guest services
B - Hotel entrance lobby
C - Main events space
D - Continuation of events space on ground floor, with 351 hotel rooms above on floors 1-3
E - Delivery bay/entrance
F - Storage shed

random info from the docs, didn't spot any good renders in amongst them,


'Boutique style' hotel, will be independent and not run by a chain

Windowless bedrooms are the order of the day

Feature lifts will be in the position of the current 'vertical loading shafts', the tall openings on the front of the warehouse

Parking - accomodate 150 parking spaces on the plot next door & 438 spaces available on the United car park(N2), but not on match day, when alternative parking will be available at Clippers Quay

Est 275 - 300 new jobs created

Current granted premises licence for 3500 persons for the concert/music/exhibition/conference venue, until 2am at the moment but have reapplied for a 4am licence for Fri/Sat

Condition attached to the advertising banner consent (http://planning.trafford.gov.uk/Northgate/PlanningExplorerAA/Generic/StdDetails.aspx?PT=Planning%20Applications%20On-Line&TYPE=PL/PlanningPK.xml&PARAM0=333034&XSLT=/Northgate/PlanningExplorerAA/SiteFiles/Skins/Default_AA/xslt/PL/PLDetails.xslt&FT=Planning%20Application%20Details&PUBLIC=Y&XMLSIDE=&DAURI=PLANNING), the mural image must be displayed for a certain number of months of the year(don't know how that works, since the mural no longer exists?)

Can't remember where this is from, stated somewhere 'operator has the finances to deliver the scheme', but they always say that don't they.

Don't quote me on any of that :)

Probably could do with moving these posts to a new thread, since Stratum is well & truly dead.

All buildings to be retained? Good grief, there's going to have to be some truly extensive renovation work if they're going to turn these ugly ducklings into beautiful swans!

Windowless Bedrooms :). Everyone knows what 'the hole' is when referred to in prison right?

Remote parking for a hotel not in the city centre...don't think that will be popular on a wet winter day!

At last! The wait is over. The docs are now online. Done a few screen grabs to set the mood. Tis true as well. 775 rooms spread over the two warehouses. Amazing

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/7108/screen20110114165953.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/807/screen20110114170057.jpg

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/362/screen20110114170440.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8238/screen20110114170801.jpg


Rest of the planning application and docs are here. http://planning.trafford.gov.uk/Northgate/PlanningExplorerAA/NewApplicationsSearch.aspx link won't work for doc page. Put 25 days in new applications received. Should be on the 4th page.

I cant belive what i am seeing, some of the rooms have no windows????

I cant belive what i am seeing, some of the rooms have no windows????

Thats what I thought!! Im pretty sure it's Health and Safety that all residential must have a window for fire regulations etc.

I certainly wouldn;t want to stay in a hotel room with now window whether its a Hilton or Travel Lodge.

Andrew

I stayed in a hotel in London with no windows. The room cost me 2p though!

Am I misreading it or has 'Block A' shrunk a little in the wash?

Thread title & images: 37 floors, plans: 6 floors.:nuts:

For the football crowd i imagine. Stack em high.

Many of the EasyHotel rooms have no windows, and I've stayed in some hostels outside the UK where they don't have them either.

They're going for the ultra-budget traveller, which, next to Old Trafford, they might get a lot of.

This proposal is insane!

You want me to travel 3000 miles across the pond to stay in a room with no windows to be close to Old Trafford?

It's enough to make you go and support City ;)

You want me to travel 3000 miles across the pond to stay in a room with no windows to be close to Old Trafford?

It's enough to make you go and support City ;)

When Mansour builds the first hotel at Sports cCty, it will have gold window frames and diamond glass. The toilet paper will be made of silk as well. :master:

Manchester's soon-to-be largest hotel...

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn252/Cityplanner/100_0855.jpg?t=1295107995

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn252/Cityplanner/100_0854.jpg?t=1295108191

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn252/Cityplanner/100_0851.jpg?t=1295108252

The lifts will at least look pretty cool

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn252/Cityplanner/100_0851.jpg?t=1295108252

The lifts will at least look pretty cool

Good god ... I really hope they do something with this side. Even it means painting fake windows on :shifty:

A large white half crescent shaped metal structure was being put into place next to the warehouse. Haven't got a clue what is was, but it wasn't small. A large mobile crane was onsite the other day. It maybe up now?

Three giant mobile cranes onsite this morning. Looks like a big lift. Can somebody get a pic or two at the next United match.

Three giant mobile cranes onsite this morning. Looks like a big lift. Can somebody get a pic or two at the next United match.

I think the cranes are about to lift a larged white arched structure that has been being put together for about the last two weeks.

It looks as though it is going to span bridgewater way, the two base parts of the structure are in place.

I think it might be a large advertising hording or something?

Three giant mobile cranes onsite this morning. Looks like a big lift. Can somebody get a pic or two at the next United match.

Here you go...as stated earlier this metal construction is nothing to do with the redevelopment of the Liverpool Warehouse Co, the constuction company are simply using the site for the assembly of the frame..when completed it will be placed at the large roundabout on Chester Rd at White City for advertising!! ....

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss255/trakkie/P1211112.jpg

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss255/trakkie/P1211113.jpg

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss255/trakkie/P1211114.jpg


Another first for Sky Scraper City.

Thanks Wing Tips and Locks Rocks.

The hotel/venue app might be decided next week, it's item 5 on the PDC meeting agenda (http://www.trafford.gov.uk/cme/live/dynamic/DemServMeeting.asp?id=0&meeting_id=80B8EDB6-89D9-4D64-BD73-CABE5213F60D). Noted as report to follow.

The hotel/venue app might be decided next week, it's item 5 on the PDC meeting agenda (http://www.trafford.gov.uk/cme/live/dynamic/DemServMeeting.asp?id=0&meeting_id=80B8EDB6-89D9-4D64-BD73-CABE5213F60D). Noted as report to follow.

'RECOMMENDATION: MINDED TO GRANT SUBJECT TO S106 AGREEMENT'

http://www.trafford.gov.uk/cme/live/dynamic/DocMan2Document.asp?id=0&document_id=131902FA-4DF5-4B69-88BD-BBD44EAD5416

City's largest hotel could be built at Trafford Park

12th May 2011

By James Graham - Business Correspondent

A DEVELOPER is seeking planning permission for what would be Greater Manchester's largest hotel.

Councillors at Trafford Borough Council are expected to approve an application for a 775-bedroom hotel near Old Trafford when they meet tomorrow.

It would be more than twice as big as the city's largest - the Macdonald Manchester with 338 rooms and the Midland Hotel, which has 312.

Manchester-based Adam Geoffrey Management has sought consent for the hotel, conference space and a nightclub at the vacant Victoria Warehouse, two redbrick Edwardian buildings one of which was well-known for the Trafford Park mural from 1982 to 2006.

According to planning documents it has promised a sympathetic conversion of the buildings and says the site would not be run by a major hotel chain. No one at Adam Geoffrey could be reached for comment.

The application has been opposed by commercial property business Segro, which owns an adjoining plot, and Premier Inn, which fears nightclub noise could disturb its customers.

But council officers believe the plan is an acceptable use of the site. "It is also considered that the external alterations to the building would enhance the appearance of the existing tired looking buildings and thus improve the view of this ‘gateway site’," said a report.

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/

Looking through the planning report, this condition seems a bit crazy (well the whole thing is really) in terms of potential lost revenue, the hotel & event space will not operate when there is something on at United, unless they can prove acceptable parking arangements elsewhere.

23. The applicant has stated that neither the hotel or event space will be used when there is an event occurring at Manchester United. There is a potential conflict in terms of a last minute alteration to match days or times at Manchester United FC. To address this conflict, as part of the contract/booking agreement the hotel operator will reserve the right to cancel any event or hotel room reservation at short notice.

31. The applicant has stated that neither the hotel or event space will be used when there is a match of an event occurring at Manchester United as the applicant is heavily dependent on the parking provision located with Manchester United FC’s car park. The applicant has failed to demonstrate that adequate alternative car parking can be provided within close proximity of the site on a mach or an event day at Manchester United FC when their car park is not available for the use of Victoria Warehouse. For this reason it is not acceptable for either the hotel or event space to operate on a match or an event day at Manchester United. It is therefore recommended that a condition is attached preventing the use from operating on a match and event days.

Looking through the planning report, this condition seems a bit crazy (well the whole thing is really) in terms of potential lost revenue, the hotel & event space will not operate when there is something on at United, unless they can prove acceptable parking arangements elsewhere.

Welcome to the UK!

Planning on starting a business?

Then &uck off.

We believe the car is evil and as a mode of transport rubbish. We will actually go out of way to stop investment in a derelict eyesore.

All memebers of the committee used public parking with a paid for ticket and do not have either:

A Free Space in the City Centre
Expenses paid parking

I welcome their input on the above, when they are stopping tourists driving to Manchester and staying in the cities largest hotel. FFS!

I am going to start the revolution, Taxed to death to allow this pricks to pronounce this twaddle.

Any of the commitee banned a retail park recently?

Up there with the IKEA rejection for Stockport due to the lack of buses!!!! Flat pack furnture often being seen on public transport in cities across Europe.

UK? Piss off.

What a friggin country we have. We are royally fucked with these dickwads being paid by me to make these announcements.

Off to the backwoods, with my gun & dog.

It's been approved anyway.

http://twitter.com/#!/Helenj83MEN/status/68789485961355264

I welcome their input on the above, when they are stopping tourists driving to Manchester and staying in the cities largest hotel. FFS!

31. The applicant has stated that neither the hotel or event space will be used when there is a match of an event occurring at Manchester United as the applicant is heavily dependent on the parking provision located with Manchester United FC’s car park. The applicant has failed to demonstrate that adequate alternative car parking can be provided within close proximity of the site on a match or an event day at Manchester United FC when their car park is not available for the use of Victoria Warehouse.

Presumably you would prefer the 775 guests and their cars to park up on Chester Road come match days then?

Anyway, it's a Trafford MBC decision so the councillors that made this eminently sensible decision wont have a free parking space in the city centre. They would have to find somewhere to park or take the tram, just like you or I.

Toodles!

Slip

It's been approved anyway.

http://twitter.com/#!/Helenj83MEN/status/68789485961355264

Aye, my post could be mis-read as responding to a rejection. However, with profit margins so small and the UK essentially now just a tourist destination, this amendment could scupper the entire project or delay it and loose funding.

They just cannot but out and approve can they. This scheme does not impact on anyone. Yet these idiots allow retail parks to crop up everywhere destroying the look of an area and ripping out our town centres.

Sick to death of the British disease. We have gone from the Victorian mega construction to bitching about friggin newts for a HS2 link.

It is so pathetic and is to make you cry.

Same council that told us to vote for congestion charging and we still got the Metrolink (delayed further by there desire for a vote).

The UK Whitehall powers have clearly marked Manchester out as a UK centre of importance and we will get the investment...we need the infrastructure to support and building a hotel x2 the size of the previous largest is a business statement of proof for this.

No doubt Man City we take this further.

Onwards and upwards. An historic eyesore is being rejuvenated!

Absolutely ridiculous that a hotel next to a football stadium won't be able to let the rooms on matchdays... You couldn't make it up!

Surely this is far far too big anyway?

I was thinking exactly the same - closed when it could be at its busiest :nuts:

Where is this hotel, size wise on a UK basis? Being x2 the size of our current biggest makes it the largest outside London??

Must be in the Top5. Yet closed on match days, for parking reasons, when the ground is surrounded by heavy-rail and Metrolink. Seriously these planning guys need naming and politely asked to leave these meetings to people with passion for success and not just trumped up jobsworths?

Happy World.

Yet closed on match days, for parking reasons, when the ground is surrounded by heavy-rail and Metrolink. Seriously these planning guys need naming and politely asked to leave these meetings to people with passion for success and not just trumped up jobsworths

31. The applicant has stated that neither the hotel or event space will be used when there is a match of an event occurring at Manchester United as the applicant is heavily dependent on the parking provision located with Manchester United FC’s car park. The applicant has failed to demonstrate that adequate alternative car parking can be provided within close proximity of the site on a match or an event day at Manchester United FC when their car park is not available for the use of Victoria Warehouse.

So, in case anyone missed it the first, second and third time around, the planning application states that hotel and exhibition space is heavily dependent on the parking provision located with Manchester United FC’s car park. Now, I'm presuming that one of the world's biggest football clubs will not have acres of car parking left empty in excess of that which it can fill on Match days. Evidence clearly suggests that the opposite is true with massive demand on match days for parking close to the ground.

Now this leaves four options for your hotel and its guests;

1) You can steal some parking from the football club. Maybe sneak in one night with some cones and some palisade fences
2) You can build your own parking. Presumably not a goer considering most of the spare land around OT is already owned by the football club for, erm, parking
3) You can tell your guests to shift their cars elsewhere everytime United are at home. I can see this being a winner...
4) You close on match days.

Your choice.

Best,
Slip

So, in case anyone missed it the first, second and third time around, the planning application states that hotel and exhibition space is heavily dependent on the parking provision located with Manchester United FC’s car park. Now, I'm presuming that one of the world's biggest football clubs will not have acres of car parking left empty in excess of that which it can fill on Match days. Evidence clearly suggests that the opposite is true with massive demand on match days for parking close to the ground.

Now this leaves four options for your hotel and its guests;

1) You can steal some parking from the football club. Maybe sneak in one night with some cones and some palisade fences
2) You can build your own parking. Presumably not a goer considering most of the spare land around OT is already owned by the football club for, erm, parking
3) You can tell your guests to shift their cars elsewhere everytime United are at home. I can see this being a winner...
4) You close on match days.

Your choice.

Best,
Slip

Fine








OH.

Accept by that logic, no business can open within 1mile of OT then?

White City has shoppers on match days?

It is the hotel guests, likely a huge number of whom are going to the match, will have to find alternatives.

Are you aware of many business conferences on a Saturday or Sunday? I am not.

This hotel will be full of tourists and people going to conferences actually at OT.

It is no matter of opinion for the planners how the hotel gusts will be inconvenienced on match days. If the hotel gets a bad reputation for parking then let's shut all the London hotels with essentially zero parking.

Indeed, I have rarely stayed at a city centre hotel anyway in the world with `free' on-sire parking. On match days these folks can find a space and slum it. There look-out and the hotels.

Trafford Council now knows the hotel market!

As stated, the planners have completely ignored the re-arranged games, cup-replays and cup matches that will be booked with less notice than most conferences...leave that to the hotel to sort out.

United car-parks......never full in my experience, always offered a parking ticket at various stages during the season. The hotel will, oh, I don't know "buy" a slot for guests off United for £20?

Does it matter to Trafford Council, are they worrying about off-street parking now! Around OT!!

Perhaps the council planners will sell their car-park at the Town Hall to the Hotel and not scrape money off United fans on match days then? Nah!

The application (http://www.trafford.gov.uk/cme/live/dynamic/DocMan2Document.asp?id=0&document_id=131902FA-4DF5-4B69-88BD-BBD44EAD5416) states that "they will be providing additional car parking within the Manchester United FC car parks on non-match days up to 2000 spaces."

Old Trafford has a stated car park capacity of c.5000 (http://www.gmcc.org.uk/main/wp-content/useless-cycle-parking-trafford.pdf) vehicles.

Therefore MUFC would have to allocate 40% of their limited parking stock to the hotel on match day. That's up there with signing Eric Djemba-Djemba in terms of interesting decisions ;)

I don't think that there is any conspiracy against the hotel going ahead, just that slapping a massive, car dependent development on a site with no guest parking and then relying on borrowed spaces from a football club that may recall them at short notice seems a bit seat of pants in all honesty :)

Best,
Slip

Could see them doing a deal with Utd where you can only book a room on match days with a ticket for the game, ie getting around the extra congestion argument.

Saying that this whole development is ridiculous from start to finish. What business could you have in a massive building with no windows... How about TV or movie studios to link up with a nearby media development or is that too obvious?

Just read this release from the WHP, with confirmation of events happening in 2012 at a new location,
http://www.thewarehouseproject.com/2011eflyers/eflyer_30.html

Any truth in this being the next location? Looking into it these domains were registered back in September (one in november), registrant is something to do with Light Leisure PLC,

victoriawarehouseproject.co.uk
victoriawarehousehotel.co.uk
victoriawarehouse.co.uk

Without a licence variation, or temporary licence for each event, they couldn't hold events here until the mega-hotel opened.


Edit:

Also found this recent trademark application:
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2601573

Victoria Warehouse
Victoria Warehouse Event Centre
Victoria Warehouse Hotel

Is a fan on that WHP12 flyer one of those on Vic warehouse? the one behind red mesh,

http://i39.tinypic.com/iw6743.jpg (http://www.thewarehouseproject.com/2011eflyers/eflyer_30.html)

http://i40.tinypic.com/27xi555.jpg
http://g.co/maps/vp4xt

:sly:

I reckon so. Good spot. Its the only ‘warehouse’ I can think of available, certainly without too much noise disruption. I’d love there to be an actual underground space big enough for a rave in Manchester, but this will do me.

Is a fan on that WHP12 flyer one of those on Vic warehouse? the one behind red mesh,

http://i39.tinypic.com/iw6743.jpg (http://www.thewarehouseproject.com/2011eflyers/eflyer_30.html)

http://i40.tinypic.com/27xi555.jpg
http://g.co/maps/vp4xt

:sly:

I think you're right! I just posted a link to this page on WHP facebook page and they removed the post immediately! Interesting and good work with the pics!

^^:colgate:

That licence app is apparently something to do with venue capacity, currently 3500 (think they initially wanted 5000), they want the conditions changed so that max attendence is assessed for each individual event, with no pre-prescribed limit.

I think Sacha's denying it's Victoria Warehouse,
@Sachawhp (http://twitter.com/#!/Sachawhp)

[...]im going to start tweeting a few pictures over the next few days #WHP12

[...]theres no hint on the flyer....cold!

If its the right building my friend has been inside there looking for a location to shoot a small horror film for a small film festival... he said its huge inside and very very dark he said there were 2 workmen that let him in and give him torches

If its the right building my friend has been inside there looking for a location to shoot a small horror film for a small film festival... he said its huge inside and very very dark he said there were 2 workmen that let him in and give him torches

and your point is?

[fuels speculation]

Well, dependent on whether it was indeed Victoria Warehouse,

1. it might be a location in a future short film
2. there might be workmen < that's the interesting bit :yes:

[/fuels speculation]


And that licence variation was granted.

Capacity Limits
The Licence holder shall Risk Assess the numbers of persons attending the premises for every event to be held there. The Police will be notified in accordance with Condition 16.
(amended condition following variation of 6th January 2012)

and your point is?


Im just saying
cock....

[fuels speculation]

Well, dependent on whether it was indeed Victoria Warehouse,

1. it might be a location in a future short film
2. there might be workmen < that's the interesting bit :yes:

[/fuels speculation]


And that licence variation was granted.


it was that place he said its a bit of a mess inside

I look forward to this project as a Hotel taking shape soon.

http://i39.tinypic.com/e151ja.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/al3g9v.jpg

Just realised the storage shed's been demo'd.

http://i43.tinypic.com/m9r282.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/1e07eo.jpg

:)

http://i42.tinypic.com/2d8ow45.jpg (http://twitter.com/#!/Sachawhp/status/169343252959473664)
@SachaWHP (http://twitter.com/#!/Sachawhp/status/169343252959473664)

=

http://i44.tinypic.com/li6vd.jpg

?

Easter Sunday has apparently sold out, & they've added one on the Friday. Impressive if 3500+ tickets sold, although likely to be a lower capacity for a 'test event'?

Easter Sunday has apparently sold out, & they've added one on the Friday. Impressive if 3500+ tickets sold, although likely to be a lower capacity for a 'test even

Not sure what you`re talking about here?

Not sure what you`re talking about here?

I'm not that sure myself :ohno:

I understand, I’m in the know.

http://a.yfrog.com/img612/5431/iytbs.jpg
@SachaWHP

http://a.yfrog.com/img612/5431/iytbs.jpg
@SachaWHP

Ok Sea give us a starter for 10?

Ok Sea give us a starter for 10?

Warehouse Project

Duhhh yes guessed that but more info would be helpful,:nuts:

Duhhh yes guessed that but more info would be helpful,:nuts:

What info do you want? that would be helpful :nuts:

A brief description is always helpful.

A brief description is always helpful.

The thing is, hasn't actually been confirmed what we're looking at. It definitely looks like a project in a warehouse though.

Massive work going on there, cutting chunks out the floor, the amount of concrete supports they've got to work around.

Licence app still showing as undecided.

Ha. Sasha’s releasing teasers from his Twitter feed every now and again. Just an update on progress. Obviously the walls won’t be doused in sequins and a glitterball installed.

Watch out for his 2000th tweet spectacular.

Just announce it already :yawn:

Confirmed. Question is, will we ever see the hotel? Have they dispatched with the condition linking the operation of the venue with the hotel.

Fair play to them getting this far, the amount of licence variations they've had to put through to make it happen.

Now this is interesting, what's happening at the old venue in June?

Undercroft Car Park, Store Street, Manchester, M1 2WA

The proposed variation is to add the following dates and times to the
existing licence.

Opening hours for the premises:
Friday 01 June 2012: 2100 to 0530
Saturday 02 June 2012: 2100 to 0530
Sunday 03 June 2012: 2100 to 0530
Monday 04 June 2012: 2100 to 0530

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=610

Shock shock horror horror, lol. Location now confirmed and as usual you heard it here at SSC first.

http://www.thewarehouseproject.com/easterLocation.php


@eartotheground: Location revealed for largest pop-up nightclub in the UK @WHP_Mcr which is event produced by @eartotheground http://t.co/QHoERonS

There was actually a moment a few weeks back when I thought it was going to Bowlers, when it applied for 5am opening. See, if they hadn't put that fan on the flyer ;)

Appears they resolved the parking issue, with spaces available at White City.

Quite a good interview on Resident Advisor, gives an idea of when the next series of events will be, keeping the Sep-Jan season, reducing the number held. So the venue will be available for ???? in between.

Are you able to give any details as to the type of shows you're talking about?

We're kind of building the programme for the end of 2012 at the moment. The two shows at Easter are not dissimilar to what you would have seen at Store Street: we have done that on purpose. We're working on some big stuff for the end of the year. The series will run over the same period, but we won't be doing as many shows within that period as we've done before. It would be stupid to think that we could go to a bigger site and do the same number of shows as what we did at Store Street. We want to reformat the series but it will still fall within that period from the end of September to January 1st.

http://www.residentadvisor.net/news.aspx?id=15897

Bit of a shit location for a club mind, miles from any decent bars.

Bit of a shit location for a club mind, miles from any decent bars.

Boddingtons was miles from any decent bars.

Can anyone remember who the original app for vic warehouse was by originally in 2010? Can remember a bit of an uproar.

Boddingtons was miles from any decent bars.

Can anyone remember who the original app for vic warehouse was by originally in 2010? Can remember a bit of an uproar.

No it wasnt...

Boddys is about a 5 minute walk from the top end of Manchester City Centre, this is about 45 minutes walk from the bottom end.

Depends what you class as decent bars.

Besides, its not just a club night is it. Considering the price of entry, limited seasonal run and the fact that most people go on average about 3-4 times per annum, I can’t see proximity to any bars being an issue. Granted Store St was ‘convenient’ for just about everything.

I wonder if there's any prospect for a pop-up bar/pub in the immediate vicinity, just to open on WHP nights? Free business idea there for anyone with the cash.

Can anyone remember who the original app for vic warehouse was by originally in 2010? Can remember a bit of an uproar.

Are you thinking of the Stadium Point plans, from Sankeys?

http://www.powerstationconsultation.co.uk


At Victoria Warehouse, looks like they're actually doing work on the main hotel part, at least glazing the openings. Photo from Twitter,

http://p.twimg.com/Aol7KfnCQAEOfg9.jpg:large
@brandnewkirsty (http://twitter.com/#!/brandnewkirsty/status/182812680099348480/photo/1)

Nice little aerial shot of the place.

http://p.twimg.com/Ao_JEU2CMAIIvG0.jpg:large
Credit: @s1wod (http://twitter.com/#!/s1wod/status/184587185893289984/photo/1)

Just read this MEN article,
Manchester United 'in talks' to buy 12 acres of land in Trafford Park (http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/business/s/1489444_manchester-united-in-talks-to-buy-12-acres-of-land-in-trafford-park)

Mentions they bought the Gateway site, the one acre plot next door to this, last year. Although still being advertised? (http://www.cbre.co.uk/uk_land_sales/properties/property_details?prlCode=77002)

^^

If only a station was built at White City, this is prime locations for hotels, apartments etc. Trafford council have a lot to build on for the Trafford side of the Quays, too..

The floorplan.

http://i40.tinypic.com/1jqfqt.jpg

:shocked:

http://www.victoriawarehouse.com

The hotel launch is on Friday.


Hotel

A combination of single and double rooms, the hotel is ideally located whether you're attending a Victoria Warehouse event, a game at MUFC, a match at Lancashire County Cricket Club or a show at The Lowry.

All rooms are en suite with showers, have plasma television and a modern, warehouse feel with plenty of original features.

A canteen style restaurant is available for breakfast, lunch and evening meals and the laid back communal chill out zones features a library and free WIFI for hotel guests.

Phase one is now complete.

^^ Incredible!

Local Councillor seems to be sold on the place,
@MikeCordingley (http://twitter.com/#!/mikecordingley)

Just been to #whp for a tour of venue. Hotel is coming along and will be a real stylish asset to Trafford. Sound control is very effective

#whp Crowd control is very effective. I think the customers will enjoy themselves without too much disturbance

#whp Most noise was generated by 'party barge' on canal couldn't hear the warehouse from promenade. Could just about hear it from Railway Rd

#whp Even though party barge was generating a bit of noise - I must say it's first time I've seen Quays really hinting at its full potential

#whp Surprisingly you couldn't hear the entertainments from within the first hotel block; and yet the main room was very loud.

#whp Spoke to ambulance man and bobby outside - thought it well organised - some drugs on Fri but less than had been at city centre venue

Glad that the Warehouse Project seems to have gone well again. A welcome new attraction to Gorse Hill Ward #whp

Hotel still a work in progress then.