View Full Version : MOSCOW | City Hall and City Duma | 308m | 1010ft | 71 fl x 4 | Canceled
coth November 22nd, 2005, 02:52 PM This saturday I was on construction site.
Here is temporary billboard about preparation works. Didn't made shots from inside the plot. But there is technics and building materials for building wall in ground. Partially in some place there is clearly visible shape of future pit.
http://skyscrapers.ru/gallery/d/1966-1/PICT0631.jpg
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Video.
high quality (14mb)
http://dva3.ru/pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/mmdc_divx600.avi
low quality (5mb)
http://dva3.ru/pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/mmdc_divx200.avi
few screenshots
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/fin.jpg
http://dva3.ru///pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/03.jpg
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/05.jpg
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/08.jpg
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/09.jpg
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/11.jpg
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/14.jpg
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/15.jpg
BMXican November 22nd, 2005, 03:40 PM any renderings? sounds exciting
coth November 22nd, 2005, 04:11 PM four red glassy towers on this model
http://*******************/imgs/city/p1010053.jpg
Urban Dave November 22nd, 2005, 04:17 PM ^^ Will be one of the most exiting clusters in Europe!
BMXican November 22nd, 2005, 09:45 PM but technically this red complex is just one tower. the height is impressive though.
coth November 22nd, 2005, 10:23 PM technically it is four towers with skybridges between towers.
Urban Dave November 22nd, 2005, 10:49 PM Sorry, but I only see one tower there.
coth November 22nd, 2005, 11:07 PM another facing version
here those 4 towers clearly visible
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/650/2635ibccolors.jpg
BMXican November 22nd, 2005, 11:57 PM the rendering seems to be old. the model shows a different version with one tower.
Dr. Dubai November 23rd, 2005, 12:00 AM Very nice project. IMO it's only one tower btw.
The Moscow cluster will become gorgeous, maybe the most beautiful of Europe, we'll see. I think most of the concurention will come from Istanbul where Dubai is going to invest some money in skyscrapers.
coth November 23rd, 2005, 12:14 AM the rendering seems to be old. the model shows a different version with one tower.
no. towers is not different. different only facing and position of skybridges.
this is form conception
http://foto.rambler.ru/photos/a/l/aleksey-kuznetsow/3/meria/meria.jpg
Pedrillo November 23rd, 2005, 12:39 AM no. towers is not different. different only facing and position of skybridges.
this is form conception
http://foto.rambler.ru/photos/a/l/aleksey-kuznetsow/3/meria/meria.jpg
:eek2:
Spearman November 23rd, 2005, 12:41 AM Gah! I really like what I see. How many of the buildings rendered is built/uc?
Jose Luis November 23rd, 2005, 02:06 AM The tallest is the best, simple and amazing design. i cant wait to see that u/c
Trances November 23rd, 2005, 02:27 AM I always thought it was one but understand more clearly now
coth November 23rd, 2005, 02:44 AM So.
Billboard says:
Construction of complex of administrative buildings of executive and legislative powers of City of Moscow in the MIBC "Moscow-City"
(preparation works)
begin: october 2005
completion: march 2006
i have no clue what they mean under preparation, but as i said there is technics and building materials for building wall in ground. so may be it mean cleaning the plot and making wall in ground, which seems already begun. i doubt they will also dig such big pit until march.
coth January 29th, 2006, 06:24 PM today. took myself.
http://*******************/gallery/d/2226-1/PICT0672.jpg
http://*******************/gallery/d/2229-1/PICT0674.jpg
Gismo January 29th, 2006, 07:12 PM this skyscraper ist simply WOW
Chad January 29th, 2006, 08:03 PM Damn!!, Maybe it isnt one of the best design..but the scale is truely impressive!
dubaiflo January 30th, 2006, 12:20 AM amazing project, does this count as 4 single towers or one tower at 307m?
Reptilikus January 30th, 2006, 02:42 PM All right then.
Let's talk skyscrapers.
I well known that skyscrapers are very uneconomically. It much cheaper to build low-rise, and you get much more space out of it. A great part of the space in skyscrapers are offen used for lift shafts and staircases. Then why are skyscrapers build? Think of The Chrysler building and The Empire State building. The reason they are so tall is because the they compete of wich one would be the tallest!
Look at Taipai 101. Is it build because of lack of areal? No
And what about Burj Dubai? Have the run out of construction sites? No
They just wanna be the tallest!
And that fine with me. As long as it isn't the taxpayers money that is used for the purpose.
www.sercan.de January 30th, 2006, 02:57 PM only some projects are so ^^^
But moscow need office area
coth January 30th, 2006, 02:57 PM how about other thousands of skyscrapers around the world. they don't claim to be tallest. those just skyscrapers.
As for City Hall and City Duma. I repeat once again for you. It is much more better for organisation 4 skyscrapers than hundreds of lowrise buildings spreaded around big city.
crazyevildude January 30th, 2006, 03:38 PM All right then.
Let's talk skyscrapers.
I well known that skyscrapers are very uneconomically. It much cheaper to build low-rise, and you get much more space out of it. A great part of the space in skyscrapers are offen used for lift shafts and staircases. Then why are skyscrapers build? Think of The Chrysler building and The Empire State building. The reason they are so tall is because the they compete of wich one would be the tallest!
Look at Taipai 101. Is it build because of lack of areal? No
And what about Burj Dubai? Have the run out of construction sites? No
They just wanna be the tallest!
And that fine with me. As long as it isn't the taxpayers money that is used for the purpose.
Arn't skyscrapers usually commericial projects anyway?
And even if a government pays for them it would be for the economic benefits that they will bring which will (if managed correctly) help everyone in the country alot more in the long term. It is incredibly short sighted to only think about spending money where it is most needed at that present time. A reactionary economy will not work. It is better to plan long term projects that will help the growth and stability of a country. This should result in a higher standard of life for everyone.
The problem with capitlism is that that so often isn't done. Those who can take the economic benefits for themselves and leave everyone else how they are. But the solution to that is to allow the economic benefits of major developments to be spread out. Not to stop all economic developments so you can give the money to the poorest. That will simply not work.
And also skyscrapers have huge commerical value, the tallest might be built for the title, just as the most extravagent looking are designed to get attention aswell. But there is nothing wrong with that. A worlds tallest building will bring in tourists who will spend money in the local economy, no building is built just for the sheer fun of it, that is not how the world works.
Also bare in mind that highrise developments are far more friendly to the enviroment. They help reduce urban sprawl which is tremedously damaging to animals habitats. They reduce the amount of transport people need as they live in a more tight area, meaning less commuting - and hence less pollution. The buildings themselves are also more enviromentally friendly. With recent technologies designed to minimise heat loss and heat gain(depending on climate) using rain water, generating their own power, Using excess heat from one area of a building to heat others is also comeing into reality now.
I'm not a big fan of the way the capitalist model is implemented. But economic growth is important for everyone, and done managed correctly can bring enourmous benefits to everyone in a society.
Besides why did you join a Skyscraper forum when you hate skyscrapers :sleepy:
engiNerd January 30th, 2006, 08:30 PM Everything crazyevildude said above is true. Sprawl is a bad option. And many cities build large buildings to consolidate all of their departments into one building. It ends up being cheaper in the end usually for the city. So this is probably cheaper to build one building and sell off all the others than to maintain what is existing.
Muse January 30th, 2006, 11:49 PM Will be one of the most exiting clusters in Europe!^^ So true!! It will join London's Canary Wharf, Paris' La Defence area, and Warsaw's new booming central business district as an exciting scraper cluster in Europe. Constructing a cluster of talls in a specific area of older cities saves a lot of the beautiful older structures because if the scrapers were dispersed throughout the city, a lot of nicer historic buildings may disappear.
City Hall & City Duma will join the other high-tech buildings in the area, some already under construction such as The Complex Federation Tower (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=86772), Plot 12 - International Business Centre (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=139883&page=1&pp=20), the very funky City of Capitals; Moscow & St Petersburg Towers (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=213958) and Naberezhnaya Tower C & the already built Naberezhnaya Towers A & B (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=213947).
The proposed 648m/2,126ft Russia Tower Pt 1 (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=102051)__&__Russia Tower Pt 2 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=253271) if/when built in the same area will be the crowning glory.
Loving the design of City Hall & City Duma and the huge atrium-esque wintergarden floors that join the 4 towers together as skybridges; it will be just amazing - truly a beautiful, sensible and logical design.
These towers will be a real showcase and it's best if a city has it offices of the contolling government centralised in a new high-tech building; it makes pure sense economically as it saves money for the city in the longer-term as the city government would currently have its offices spread out in different locations.
***BTW Who is the architect of City Hall & City Duma? Anyone know? coth? :)
coth January 31st, 2006, 01:21 AM The original design has been made by Mikhail Kazakov, Anton Nagavitsin and Nodar Kancheli.
It won 1th place in contest out of 142 in 2002. Orginally planned 200 meters tall on plots 2-3.
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/2690/4518pu.jpg
Muse January 31st, 2006, 05:09 AM Thanks coth :okay:
coth February 28th, 2006, 10:16 PM Video.
high quality (14mb)
http://dva3.ru/pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/mmdc_divx600.avi
low quality (5mb)
http://dva3.ru/pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/mmdc_divx200.avi
few screenshots
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/fin.jpg
http://dva3.ru///pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/03.jpg
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/05.jpg
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/08.jpg
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/09.jpg
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/11.jpg
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/14.jpg
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/15.jpg
24 february 2006 by Ysh.
most of work going to left of this picture. they digging pit.
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5347/duma3ag.jpg
Peter The Great February 28th, 2006, 10:46 PM Is it going to be red? :|
coth February 28th, 2006, 10:53 PM of course. that's all charm there is in red. it's simply beautiful.
NEWWORLD February 28th, 2006, 11:01 PM Amazing project this is going to look great when they complete it.
davidwei01 February 28th, 2006, 11:59 PM Amazing! not expecting Moscow is so beautiful. Will definitely like to visit Moscow some time!
weird March 1st, 2006, 01:35 AM Roof top, overview, looks like a flower :uh:. It's very original the red color.
@coth: This is just one tower. Towers are totally linked at the top!! And at the bottom, they have lots of brigdes. Definitely, one.
coth March 1st, 2006, 01:55 AM at top there is 8 story huge skybridge that covers all space space between towers.
Chad March 1st, 2006, 01:58 AM I'm really wondering what it's gonna turn out like. Whats that red? glass?
guidodesign March 1st, 2006, 04:38 AM like it!!
ReddAlert March 1st, 2006, 05:34 AM I really like it, the red of course puts it over the top. A fitting color for the captiol of Russia!
btw...the building reminds me of Milwaukees tallest skyscraper in a way...well not the color..
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5089/0719828ga.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Oriolus March 1st, 2006, 06:10 AM OMG! - it wont actually be THAT red will it? That said I hope it is cause it's just so insane - I mean a bright red skyscraper, who does that? As long as it doesn't end up looking tacky, I think it'll be quite an icon for Moscow.
The last construction update - I take it that's Federation Tower in the background? Can't wait for it this thing to rise, or even more so for the first glass to go up.
crazyevildude March 1st, 2006, 01:54 PM ^ Isn't there a bright red skyscraper in Chicago? I seem to remember it looks alright.
PYCb March 1st, 2006, 03:07 PM OMG! - it wont actually be THAT red will it? That said I hope it is cause it's just so insane - I mean a bright red skyscraper, who does that? As long as it doesn't end up looking tacky, I think it'll be quite an icon for Moscow.
The last construction update - I take it that's Federation Tower in the background? Can't wait for it this thing to rise, or even more so for the first glass to go up.
Why not?
Matches with the Kremlin
Oriolus March 2nd, 2006, 07:02 AM ^ Isn't there a bright red skyscraper in Chicago? I seem to remember it looks alright.Yeh, the 183m CNA Plaza (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=117052). It's looks good.
http://www.aviewoncities.com/img/chicago/kveus1452b.jpg
Gherkin March 2nd, 2006, 11:08 AM I remember a 600ft bright yellow skyscraper proposed for London a few years back... can't wait until the red cladding on this one gets built though!
coth March 2nd, 2006, 12:38 PM red is official color of moscow.
since 1781 official coat of arms and flag of moscow is a horseman, st george, killing dragon, on red background
but appeared it in XIV century
http://mos.ru/cgi-bin/prn_img?vid=2&unom=3510&vel=4
http://mos.ru/cgi-bin/prn_img?vid=2&unom=3509&vel=4
Gerard March 2nd, 2006, 01:13 PM Red can be nice. You do not see it that much but i think its ok.
Rotterdam is getting its own 'not so tall' red building. (127 metres)
http://207.44.228.232/images/B03/3692.jpg
http://207.44.228.232/images/B03/3538.jpg
For Moscow again this is a super project. Looks fantastic.
simms3 March 2nd, 2006, 11:17 PM WOW! I love that whole "city" that Moscow is building and especially that red tower as it has a kind of unique design to it, as well as the above building in Rotterdam-is that residential because it seems to have a lot of floors for only 127 meters? By the way, is it just me or does one of the buildings in the Moscow tower area look like the Williams Tower in Houston?
Bikes March 2nd, 2006, 11:51 PM Love this project!
Albaniangigi March 3rd, 2006, 02:55 AM wow the project above is beautiful, especially that building that overlaps the one beneath it...and the big gap on the top with trees and things looks cool
ZimasterX March 3rd, 2006, 03:44 AM New renders look awsome! It really has that uniqueness now that its in red. You really don't get to see many buildings of that sort.
seb5990 March 3rd, 2006, 07:53 AM looks like garbage IMO
Seb March 3rd, 2006, 04:39 PM Nice building for Moscow. I think the one in Rotterdam would look even better if the red colums were staight.
Dr. Dubai March 3rd, 2006, 09:05 PM Really strange but awesome building:)
SkyLerm March 3rd, 2006, 09:12 PM First time I saw the buiding I thought it was a huge tower but it's clearly visible that there are four towers in the complex :yes:
Urban Dave March 3rd, 2006, 09:33 PM :drool::drool: It's so lovely!
Eric Offereins March 5th, 2006, 04:25 PM WOW! I love that whole "city" that Moscow is building and especially that red tower as it has a kind of unique design to it, as well as the above building in Rotterdam-is that residential because it seems to have a lot of floors for only 127 meters? By the way, is it just me or does one of the buildings in the Moscow tower area look like the Williams Tower in Houston?
Yes, the Rotterdam tower will be residential.
Indica March 7th, 2006, 02:06 AM this is BY FAR, one of my favorites!!! ;)
Manu84 March 7th, 2006, 02:14 AM wuahh
7 World Trade March 7th, 2006, 07:41 AM not bad of a design now that i got to see some detailed image. i just the red won't be so intense that u'd end up seeing green everywhere after gazing at this tower for a long time.
Mosaic March 8th, 2006, 09:28 AM very nice project.
coth March 16th, 2006, 11:57 PM 16 march by bolik
http://*******************/gallery/d/2659-1/mosgor_1.jpg
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Skyman March 17th, 2006, 01:18 AM Thanks guys for the new pix, keep us posted
Chad March 17th, 2006, 12:49 PM another facing version
here those 4 towers clearly visible
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/650/2635ibccolors.jpg
What is No.4?
coth April 20th, 2006, 12:46 PM 19 april 2006 by sturman
pit completed by about 25%, almost half to depth and half to width
http://www.ljplus.ru/img/s/t/sturman/gd_152.jpg
http://www.ljplus.ru/img/s/t/sturman/gd_153.jpg
http://www.ljplus.ru/img/s/t/sturman/gd_154.jpg
Mosaic April 20th, 2006, 05:21 PM very nice updates, thanks.
coth May 4th, 2006, 01:11 AM 3 may 2006 by bolik
http://*******************/gallery/d/3754-1/ibc_30.jpg
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Skyman May 4th, 2006, 03:27 PM Nice view of the construction site, now it's easy to understand what happens on it
coth June 16th, 2006, 08:28 PM 16 june 2006 by Ysh
City Hall and City Duma, and Mercury City Tower pit
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8092/duma14ml.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/7470/duma20tp.jpg
ZZ-II June 17th, 2006, 08:09 PM Wow, great pics. Thank you!!!
sturman June 18th, 2006, 01:29 AM site pano:
http://sturman.ometro.net/journ/ssc/2006_06_17_city/gd_052.jpg
http://sturman.ometro.net/journ/ssc/2006_06_17_city/gd_054.jpg
http://sturman.ometro.net/journ/ssc/2006_06_17_city/gd_088.jpg
coth July 24th, 2006, 03:13 PM 22 july by me
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CULWULLA July 25th, 2006, 12:56 AM great updates.
cheers
Mo Rush July 25th, 2006, 12:59 AM great pics...awesome progress.
KVentz July 26th, 2006, 05:17 AM But, here is some facts. Today 'krasniy' means 'red' but long ago 'krasniy' meaned 'beautiful' and today 'krasiviy' (even sounds similar!) means 'beautiful'. The Red square and red walls of the Kremlin were not built by communists, they are much much older. And the shape of the City Hall tower repeats the shape of the tooth of the Kremlin wall that looks like "M" spell.
So, don't worry about the color: latest rumors said the colour will be able to be changed from very very light red to strong red according to weather and/or time of a day.
Oh, and something else. Moscow goverment desided to involve the investors into this project and share some part of the building. So no more flames about wasting city budjet money.
P.S.: No one part of IBC was or will built on Russian state budjet money. No one at all. IBC development was started many years before Putin became a president (some people in SSC said that Putin came, desided to rebuild an empire and that's why he is building IBC. Blah blah blah). So stop crying about (nonexistent!) hungry children suffering because state spends its money on expensive IBC. It is a commercial project developing by investors.
ZZ-II July 26th, 2006, 05:18 PM nice updates, thank you
sturman August 5th, 2006, 05:32 PM http://sturman.ometro.net/journ/ssc/2006_08_04_city/duma_01.jpg
ZZ-II October 16th, 2006, 09:33 PM updates?
Brad October 16th, 2006, 09:38 PM updates?Please, remind in spring :)
ZZ-II October 16th, 2006, 09:54 PM ok :)
staff October 17th, 2006, 03:44 AM I'm excited about this tower, looks very intriguing!
igor October 24th, 2006, 08:22 PM 24/10/06
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/627/img1314pt1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
ZZ-II October 24th, 2006, 10:38 PM wow, what a big hole!! UC on emporis now?
Peloso October 25th, 2006, 12:45 AM 24/10/06
(Nighttime Moscow City)
This qualifies for the "mystery darkness construction" award. Very romantic though! :|
ROYU October 25th, 2006, 01:06 AM This zone will be impressive when completition. Nice updates.
iliamo October 26th, 2006, 06:53 AM oooh, interesting! its...um... red!
KVentz October 26th, 2006, 07:21 AM oooh, interesting! its...um... red!
I don't think it will be red all the time. Just at night maybe: red color is an illumination.
igor November 7th, 2006, 07:30 AM 06/11/06
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/3470/img1764xx5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3595/img1766vx6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/518/img1767et5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
colemonkee November 7th, 2006, 08:01 AM That pit is huge.
Pas November 7th, 2006, 09:01 AM I like this kind of futuristic design (abstract M shape as well..)
will this be the tallest city hall building in the world..?
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/fin.jpg
ZZ-II November 7th, 2006, 11:19 AM Can anyone chance the status on emporis from Approved to Under Construction?
eng_kheffa November 7th, 2006, 12:02 PM SOO DEEEEEEEEEEP !!!!
coth November 7th, 2006, 12:37 PM it's a pit for 5 supertalls. 4 city hall towers and mercury city tower.
oliver999 November 7th, 2006, 12:52 PM red house! cool.
but if this city hall built in china, people will be very angry, because they said there are so many poor people in low living standard, how can goverment build such a luxuary buildding???!!!!
Brad November 7th, 2006, 12:59 PM red house! cool.
but if this city hall built in china, people will be very angry, because they said there are so many poor people in low living standard, how can goverment build such a luxuary buildding???!!!!this skyscraper won't cost anything to the Moscow goverment. It consists of 4 towers. Moscow will get 2 of them absolutely free.
RSG November 7th, 2006, 01:08 PM The concept is ok but I hope they do not finish it in red. It would look stupid.
They should also stop spending money on building the ISS. Our world leaders should fix the planet we are on and it's people before exploring for another.
ZZ-II November 7th, 2006, 01:12 PM i don't think the tower will be red.
marax0 November 7th, 2006, 01:27 PM An oposition to White House? :) Still cold war? "D
amazing...
And what about dates? Start/ FInish ?
i dont know russian :(
Cant read your alphabet.
coth November 7th, 2006, 01:45 PM red and white are traditional colors in moscow. yellow is a bit modern - from imperial times.
in old russian red was meant beautiful - red square correct translation is beauty square.
alphabet is not russian - it is cyrillics.
ZZ-II November 7th, 2006, 08:10 PM hmm...a yellow supertall......maybe looking really nice.
KVentz November 7th, 2006, 09:00 PM red house! cool.
The color can be changed. I beleive the native color of the building will be more traditional but can be changed with illumination.
but if this city hall built in china, people will be very angry, because they said there are so many poor people in low living standard, how can goverment build such a luxuary buildding???!!!!
Oh yes, you are right and city government thinks the same way. This City Hall will consist of four interconnected towers. The construction of all complex (exept preparing stage which is in process now) will be financed by an investor. After construction investor will take 2 towers of the complex and Moscow government - another 2 ones free for the city budget.
KVentz November 7th, 2006, 09:05 PM Cant read your alphabet.
It's quite simple, here is a key (http://skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=10359906&postcount=21).
Brad November 7th, 2006, 09:11 PM Could you be so kind and answer?The situation is not clear yet and quite not common. The Moscow goverment finances the digging of the pit (to speed up the whole process of the construction)
The investor of the construction itself is not known yet :) and is beeing looked for (Remember, Moscow goverment wants the half)
That's why nobody dares to say when it will be built :)
marax0 November 7th, 2006, 11:23 PM Than you very much :)
but what about data on information board ?
Shouldnt it be there?
Brad November 7th, 2006, 11:43 PM but what about data on information board ?
Shouldnt it be there?I was there a month ago. The information of the board was about the preliminary (or smth like that) works - August, 2006.
They say, it will be built in 2008.
coth November 7th, 2006, 11:58 PM preparation works includes full underground part as i remember - foundation + underground floors.
philip November 8th, 2006, 03:50 AM All those buildings look very unique, are they designed by Russian architects?
The RED buildings looks huge !!
KVentz November 8th, 2006, 06:54 AM All those buildings look very unique, are they designed by Russian architects?
Most buildings are designed by foreign or with participation of foreign architects.
Sergei November 8th, 2006, 07:09 AM I love the M building! Looks awesome. I hope it looks as good when/if it gets done.
jmancuso November 14th, 2006, 02:55 PM if this thing is 4 buildings, how will they be used?
what's the difference between the city hall and the city duma? assuming each gets a tower, who will occupy the remaining two?
coth November 14th, 2006, 03:25 PM two towers will get moscow executive and legislative powers and two other towers will get an investor.
Brad January 27th, 2007, 07:00 PM Обещанные сваи и сваезабивалки:
http://sturman.ometro.net/journ/ssc/27_01_2007/duma_051.jpg
http://sturman.ometro.net/journ/ssc/27_01_2007/duma_052.jpg
http://sturman.ometro.net/journ/ssc/27_01_2007/duma.jpg
побольше (http://sturman.ometro.net/journ/ssc/27_01_2007/duma_b.jpg)...
ZZ-II January 27th, 2007, 07:57 PM great update.
coth January 27th, 2007, 09:42 PM legend to plots made by sturman
blue - boulevard between Federation Tower and Mercury City Tower
green - mercury city tower plot
red - city hall and city duma plot
http://sturman.ometro.net/journ/ssc/27_01_2007/plots.jpg
Ginza January 28th, 2007, 03:09 AM does anyone have a pic that shows Moscow when all the edifices are completed
gunslinger January 28th, 2007, 04:13 AM Ginza, something like this:
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9450/city20facadecitywg4.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/15/moscowcityplaza1jn6.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g231/mrfusion1/MCT.jpg
el_bebiduncho January 28th, 2007, 11:41 PM Wow! Moscow will have an amazing skyline. Very good projects! ;)
Muse January 29th, 2007, 04:23 AM What is that whole area called, in Russian and its English translation? (Like London has Docklands, Paris La Defense etc).
coth January 29th, 2007, 04:30 AM http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=297180
Muse January 29th, 2007, 04:35 AM OK, thanks. What would you say in Russian and the way to say it in English?
Skyman January 29th, 2007, 06:26 AM OK, thanks. What would you say in Russian and the way to say it in English?
"Moscow-City"- short and clear
xAKxRUSx January 29th, 2007, 06:49 AM ^^ Actually, thats just the "temporary" name. It's probably going to have a different name.
But yea, Moscow International Business Center or Moscow-City for now.
coth January 29th, 2007, 10:19 AM oficially it is Moscow International Business Center "Moscow City".
Московский Международный Деловой Центр "Москва-Сити"
coth February 20th, 2007, 03:39 PM 20 feb 2007 by participant
East Federation Tower, Mercury City tower, City Hall and City Duma, and Four Season mall
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4122/044eh0.jpg
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4218/045lx1.jpg
ZZ-II February 20th, 2007, 04:33 PM thank you very much for posting the update coth :)
Mosaic February 20th, 2007, 06:37 PM The site is very hugh!!
ZZ-II February 20th, 2007, 06:57 PM because the boulevard between Federation Tower and Mercury City Tower mercury city tower, and the city hall and city duma are going to be build in that one hole :)
billyandmandy February 20th, 2007, 11:44 PM what an enormous mall that is going to be...
hades February 21st, 2007, 05:14 AM wow!!!!!!! a big big hole, its hugh, its a mix between old construccion and the new one, a new and beautiful face for the capital.
Congratulations!!!!
Gamma-Hamster March 3rd, 2007, 07:47 PM Posted by windstride in russian section:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8708/dsc050942fl8.jpg
ZZ-II March 3rd, 2007, 07:51 PM wow, there you really can see how big it is
Justa March 3rd, 2007, 08:10 PM wow...only parking???maybe some KGB deals...?
Ginza March 3rd, 2007, 08:37 PM thanks for the pics
Brad March 30th, 2007, 09:00 PM 30.03.2007'
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7392/gorguma2id5.jpgёё
ZZ-II March 30th, 2007, 09:03 PM lots of water and mud in the hole ^^
Herr Lind March 31st, 2007, 10:32 PM Example from Dubai :)
Ralphkke May 2nd, 2007, 07:10 PM The tower is great but the color sucks:|
xAKxRUSx May 2nd, 2007, 09:10 PM The color is great.
Sentient Seas May 3rd, 2007, 12:20 AM Looks like a great project, and yeah, it's four towers connected by skybridges basically, so I'd count it as just one tower. I really think they shouldn't make it red though, that makes it ugly as hell.
FastFerrari May 3rd, 2007, 01:07 AM THE RED CRUSH rises with spectacular projects....cant wait to see all these dreams come to life.
Adrian Smith fan May 3rd, 2007, 01:29 AM Example from Dubai :)
but not as much ;)
Gamma-Hamster May 18th, 2007, 09:34 AM Render
http://img.artlebedev.ru/kovodstvo/business-lynch/files/F/3/F3D05BF0-C11F-4A64-BF62-825E0DBB6A28.jpg
Stephan23 May 18th, 2007, 10:02 AM Isn't this one single tower??
ZZ-II May 18th, 2007, 10:02 AM will that tower really be red?
Isn't this one single tower??
as far as i know it are 4 towers which are connected very often. so i think you can coun't it as one single, and very big, tower
Xander May 18th, 2007, 02:16 PM ^ thats the best render I've seen so far, gives more of a feeling of what it will actually look like.
Gamma-Hamster May 18th, 2007, 05:09 PM will that tower really be red?
As i understood, the red is actually lighting, not colour of the tower itself. Colour of lighting will be changeble, if needed.
ZZ-II May 18th, 2007, 05:27 PM that's good, thank you for the info :)
Alweron May 18th, 2007, 06:33 PM It looks quite impressing, at least the interior :O I just hope they won't make it red. Glassy facade would be much better. It would match the interior well.
SkyLerm May 18th, 2007, 06:48 PM I just don't like how massive is this complex..but i like colours...
Gamma-Hamster May 18th, 2007, 06:51 PM I just don't like how massive is this complex..but i like colours...
Well yeah, it could be a bit thiner, but i like it's boxy shape, i think boxy building is required in Moscow City to contrast other unusually shaped buildings:)
ZZ-II May 18th, 2007, 07:01 PM i love the big dimensions of it
Stefan88 May 18th, 2007, 07:12 PM This building has grown on me alot. I think it will compliment the other buildings very well with it's unusual features. It'll look brilliant at night aswell.
Skyman May 19th, 2007, 11:44 AM Really nice shape, and I guess it's one single tower, the colour also fits well to it
Gamma-Hamster July 8th, 2007, 08:22 PM By igor:
http://re.foto.radikal.ru/0707/32/d453d16d47e6.jpg
Middle-Island July 8th, 2007, 08:30 PM Moscow will probably have the boldest, most futuristic *cluster* of buildings in the world when these are done.
giovani kun July 8th, 2007, 09:11 PM great pictures from Moskow :D
ZZ-II July 8th, 2007, 09:14 PM are this the first crane parts for the tower?
JohnFlint1985 July 8th, 2007, 09:32 PM I like the "M" in the shape of it -- very interesting and new. Plus M stands for Moscow.
Skyman July 9th, 2007, 03:41 PM Interesting detailed picture
CULWULLA July 9th, 2007, 04:17 PM that render is so life-like?
such a massive building for 308m/1000ft tall. looks stumpy.its about 90m/300ft wide.
Herr Lind July 9th, 2007, 07:04 PM I can't understand - panes will be red? :crazy:
ZZ-II July 9th, 2007, 07:07 PM not sure but i believe it'll be able to change its color
philvia July 9th, 2007, 09:32 PM ummm i like the red... dont make it plain boring color like silver -_-
newyorkrunaway1 July 11th, 2007, 06:52 PM congrats to moscow, but red?
Brad July 24th, 2007, 05:37 PM [QUOTE=Daniil N.;14423710]
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/330/1924th2.jpg
vladorlando August 11th, 2007, 09:31 PM I think this building too much fat for this place.
Brad August 12th, 2007, 12:34 AM Which building is too fat?
There are four buildings there.
MaZitRon August 12th, 2007, 03:08 PM ^^It speaks that territories a little for this building
Brad December 21st, 2007, 01:01 PM The foundation slab is being prepared.
(the upper side of the photo)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2094/2123791149_c5334c1cc5_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2123791149&size=l
webeagle12 December 21st, 2007, 01:45 PM nice shot brad, :) really like it
Qtya December 31st, 2007, 07:22 PM I don't like it... :ohno:
xlchris December 31st, 2007, 08:55 PM ^Why not, it's great to see that, the inside!
Milllos January 21st, 2008, 11:32 AM Mercury T and Duma will be ready in 2011, maybe, not in 2008 and 2009.
Brad January 21st, 2008, 01:47 PM ^^I hope in 2010
zerokarma January 21st, 2008, 09:58 PM Good update
silencer January 30th, 2008, 07:47 AM Hi Brad, you know what the colored material at the wall in your pics from post 163 and 164 is? Maybe its an anti vibration isolation. Is there an underground train in the direct neighbourhood of the foundation?
Brad January 30th, 2008, 01:26 PM ^^I don't know if this is an anti vibration isolation.
There are several metro stations near by. The metro lines (green circles) pass just under that huge mall in the middle of the pic.
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/4379/77951794sr5.jpg
Axort
PS I did not shoot these photos.
ZZ-II January 30th, 2008, 09:56 PM does anybody know how wide the City Hall and Duma will be?
coth January 31st, 2008, 12:30 AM The plot is around 80 x 80 meters.
coth January 31st, 2008, 04:53 PM taken by a friend of windstride
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/5757/066ro0.jpg
Brad May 8th, 2008, 01:07 AM by Александр Мотин; 07.05.08
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7836/photo0075wm4.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/1648/photo0078pt8.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7068/photo0074gv7.jpg
cello1974 May 8th, 2008, 11:48 AM Will it be red???
Densetsu May 8th, 2008, 03:33 PM ^^Probably red. I hope they will change the color asap but actually it may give an interesting silhouette to moscow.
cello1974 May 8th, 2008, 04:24 PM I think red is something rare. So, why not? And I LOVE red! I would love to see it in red with red illumination at night! :drool:
coth May 8th, 2008, 04:56 PM final design is not unveiled yet. probably it's now a single 309m tall building.
Sexas May 8th, 2008, 07:13 PM what's wrong with red!! Russian and Chinese think red is a lucky color in both countries.
I like red :)
Joel que May 9th, 2008, 06:42 AM is there any law in Moscow,banning the construction of high rise or skyscraper near the kremlin?
Brad May 9th, 2008, 05:31 PM Yes, there is.
ZZ-II May 9th, 2008, 07:46 PM final design is not unveiled yet. probably it's now a single 309m tall building.
it only has to be a supertall :)
choyak May 9th, 2008, 11:05 PM I hope there will still be the red 'M' at the top, that is cool especially at night.
icosium May 9th, 2008, 11:16 PM y a loublou mockba
SkyscraperFreak92 May 27th, 2008, 03:27 PM any news ???
eyrie May 28th, 2008, 10:37 AM it only has to be a supertall :)
yes one can never have enough of the super or the tall:)
LeMoN-SK May 28th, 2008, 10:50 AM final design is not unveiled yet. probably it's now a single 309m tall building.
I would love to see a single building. Or maybe twins connected with just a light skybridge. The original project is just too massive IMO.
chinatown May 28th, 2008, 02:12 PM what's wrong with red!! Russian and Chinese think red is a lucky color in both countries.
I like red :)
red is a symbolized color of the commies.
I nv like 'hot colored' buildings such as red, pink.
But it's acceptable if it's in dark red, as long as it's not in bright red just like in the render.
coth May 28th, 2008, 02:30 PM chinatown
read the thread please before making such comments
all moscow city halls was red even before commies. moscow flag is red for centuries. red is symbolizing beauty in russia. (red square's actual name is beautiful square)
Sexas May 29th, 2008, 08:43 PM funny about color red, it is the only prime color people react the most. Most people have no problem with blue, green and yellow, but when it come to red, some love it but some hate it.
I don't understand is why all new building need to be blue glass or clear glass, for once I like to see a building stand out.
Alexriga May 29th, 2008, 11:43 PM I want it to be red with red illumination. Because red skyscrapers are extremely rare.
Brad June 5th, 2008, 09:58 PM exclusive photo from sturman;
http://sturman.ometro.net/journ/pics/2008/roof/roof_1057.jpg
Enlarge ) (http://sturman.ometro.net/journ/pics/2008/roof/big/roof_1057.jpg)
ZZ-II June 5th, 2008, 10:50 PM ready to rise :)
skyboi June 7th, 2008, 08:54 PM According to the IBC render's Animation this Tower look incredibly beautiful when lit up in illuminating red lights especially at the top
montesky June 9th, 2008, 01:32 PM the construction goes way too slow. i thought that moscow has loads of money to support this project
LeMoN-SK June 9th, 2008, 02:59 PM the construction goes way too slow. i thought that moscow has loads of money to support this project
Do you think that lack of money is the only reason that can slow down construction of a skyscraper?
Nneznajka July 5th, 2008, 08:20 PM by igor Today
http://i042.radikal.ru/0807/98/829bc7effff6.jpg
http://i008.radikal.ru/0807/10/de6bc2059642.jpg
http://i066.radikal.ru/0807/9b/e6c1ce84854f.jpg
http://i026.radikal.ru/0807/fe/07ebc707386c.jpg
skyboi July 5th, 2008, 08:24 PM Half of the base is progressing well the other half is still intact especially at the corner there ,they haven't got it flatten yet , it has been a while ...
Manitopiaaa August 6th, 2008, 09:00 PM Barf in a bag! This complex is hideous. I thought Russia was past Soviet-style architecture! Russia needs to seriously rethink their style because all Russian buildings so far look like the Oriental Pearl in Shanghai. Moscow will soon be as colorful as Willemstad!
Ironic since most Russians are rascist.
Majevčan August 6th, 2008, 09:02 PM Ironic since most Russians are rascist.
We are not interested in retarded comments here. So please:)
Justa August 6th, 2008, 09:16 PM Barf in a bag! This complex is hideous. I thought Russia was past Soviet-style architecture! Russia needs to seriously rethink their style because all Russian buildings so far look like the Oriental Pearl in Shanghai. Moscow will soon be as colorful as Willemstad!
Ironic since most Russians are rascist.
u do not know nothing about Russia, russians and an architecture itself ... So please... ban yourself or regain ur consciousness...
Peloso August 6th, 2008, 09:31 PM Ironic since most Russians are rascist....and furthermore, he doesn't even know his own language. :lol:
skyboi August 7th, 2008, 08:04 AM Barf in a bag! This complex is hideous. I thought Russia was past Soviet-style architecture! Russia needs to seriously rethink their style because all Russian buildings so far look like the Oriental Pearl in Shanghai. Moscow will soon be as colorful as Willemstad!
Ironic since most Russians are rascist.
The most beautiful building ever I have seen in a million years :) and It suits perfectly with Moscow and it peaceful loving people :applause:
anm August 8th, 2008, 05:55 AM Ironic since most Russians are rascist. It looks like you dislike too things - racism and Russians.
Peloso August 8th, 2008, 07:03 AM It looks like you dislike too things - racism and Russians.You're being too subtle for that guy.
skyboi August 8th, 2008, 07:04 AM Every time there is not foto of the building progress , people just kill time by talking off track :)
anm August 8th, 2008, 07:11 PM You're being too subtle for that guy.
Well, he claims to know what irony means.
Brad September 9th, 2008, 12:47 AM by igor; 08/09/08
http://i064.radikal.ru/0809/de/1506900020d5.jpg
SkyscraperFreak92 September 9th, 2008, 04:44 PM the work is very slow...in the old plan the building was completed in ca 2/3 months....
webeagle12 September 9th, 2008, 05:01 PM the work is very slow...in the old plan the building was completed in ca 2/3 months....
do you have to say same thing in all moscow threads?
FM 2258 September 9th, 2008, 05:40 PM I never realized how "fat" this building is. I love it, it's going to be massive.
SkyscraperFreak92 September 10th, 2008, 04:42 PM do you have to say same thing in all moscow threads?
not in all...just at the buildings where are the construction works so slow....mercury city tower and duma building.....they work since more than 1.5 years at the fundation....and you must say that this is slow, right?!
webeagle12 September 10th, 2008, 05:16 PM not in all...just at the buildings where are the construction works so slow....mercury city tower and duma building.....they work since more than 1.5 years at the fundation....and you must say that this is slow, right?!
open your eyes and look at the size of this building, sigh :ohno:
**RS** December 13th, 2008, 08:48 PM What is the construction progress?
Nneznajka December 13th, 2008, 10:45 PM On Hold ^^
Gamma-Hamster December 13th, 2008, 10:50 PM On Hold ^^
No, it's not. At least as of now.
webeagle12 December 14th, 2008, 08:19 AM On Hold ^^
source? :bash:
spectre000 December 14th, 2008, 08:48 AM Of all the towers in the IBC, this is one I can't see being put on hold. After all, the government itself will be the primary tenants (and they need room). I'm sure they'll come up with the rubles to pay for it. By comparison this tower is about as far behind schedule as NY's 1WTC, and probably won't be finished for several more years, but I'm sure it'll be built.
stewartrama December 14th, 2008, 05:54 PM this is a big-ass building
coth December 14th, 2008, 11:51 PM they are working on a huge foundation slab. and zero level works are 100% financed from the city budget.
Brad December 15th, 2008, 01:47 AM Because of the crisis the Moscow gvmnt has to stop some very important projects.
If the crisis continues it will have to stop other very important for the city projects.
So I doubt the mayor will invest money in the City Hall construction at the expense, say, of the roads construction.
Moscow could not find investors during many years. So it will be even more difficult now.
We all have to wait till the crisis stops...
PS To my mind the foundation construction will continue for several years more)), very slowly...
coth December 15th, 2008, 02:02 AM this project has got 100% of finances for zero level
spectre000 December 15th, 2008, 04:28 AM this project has got 100% of finances for zero level
But what happens after the below ground levels are finished? Is Moscow going to finance the rest of the construction or will they go to the private sector? I think either way it could be tough.
coth December 15th, 2008, 04:34 AM invest tender
KVentz December 16th, 2008, 11:39 AM But what happens after the below ground levels are finished? Is Moscow going to finance the rest of the construction or will they go to the private sector? I think either way it could be tough.
First they thought about to finance rest of the construction (some years ago). Then, there were (are?) plans to finance only 50% from the budget and another 50% — from private companies. Some people think they just can't find the investor for this project, but there were no tenders about this yet. What Moscow government will do now? Only Mr. Crisis knows. :)
guzm@n December 17th, 2008, 04:39 AM On hold? :ohno:
This is my favourite building in the IBC, so is sad to hear that. At least we will have updates until the zero level.
igor January 13th, 2009, 03:57 PM 13/01/09
http://s59.radikal.ru/i165/0901/04/4d6f20b96f71.jpg
http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/0901/7b/0bb86eb35635.jpg
http://i026.radikal.ru/0901/93/2a0e7b1c7d97.jpg
choyak January 15th, 2009, 07:17 AM Please tell me that the top crown shows a huge 'M'. That is so awesome looking, and also I love the FATNESS, but actually isn't this 4 towers?
Wow, I just stared at the rendering, the whole building looks like a huge 'M'. I hope that is what is still planned to be built.
Hed_Kandi January 15th, 2009, 07:41 AM So is this one on hold or not?
webeagle12 January 15th, 2009, 08:37 AM So is this one on hold or not?
not sure it's looks "frozen" :lol::lol: :ohno:
Justa January 15th, 2009, 09:27 AM yep :) , only in russia we have such status like "frozen" - look at the crane...
coth January 15th, 2009, 09:58 AM So is this one on hold or not?
no it isn't. the government has changed the developer. new developer is on the site already and preparing to begin.
luci203 January 15th, 2009, 12:00 PM ^^ ^^
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/women10restj5.gif
rafaaarkiteto March 4th, 2009, 06:25 PM Such a great complex of buildings. Here in Brazil we don`t use to build tall buildings like these. The architects and the constrution market preffer build construtions of 150m in general.
**RS** April 27th, 2009, 08:25 PM Construction of the towers at the beginning of April.
02.04.2009
http://s57.radikal.ru/i157/0904/d8/51eb37774a6d.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
Brad April 27th, 2009, 11:05 PM not much more information in the comparison with the post 232 :)
Nneznajka May 6th, 2009, 06:36 PM 30.04.09
by Boch
Now we see some progress :banana:
http://irc.lv/images/photos/0/370/467/262640_orig.jpeg
christos-greece May 6th, 2009, 06:42 PM I saw the renderings in the first page. The interior looks great , like the exterior too. The red color: the tower will have the red color as seems in renderings?
Nneznajka May 6th, 2009, 06:47 PM It is planned to be red, but you know anything can happen.. Especially in cryzis and especially in Russia :)
Shortest Skyscraper May 6th, 2009, 06:56 PM I was wondering that myself... a constant red glow. Would it reflect from the windows in the offices? How would birds react to it... would they be afraid to land on this building? Maybe they can have an adjustable color and color-saturation for all the floors.
poshbakerloo May 6th, 2009, 08:22 PM wow i used to live in Moscow in the 90s...
there has been such a transformation!!!
spectre000 May 7th, 2009, 01:28 AM The progress on this one and Mercury City is great to see. I hope we'll see both of these grow quickly. More density to the IBC will be great.
Now if they could just get the Russia Tower restarted...
gcpjessy May 7th, 2009, 03:59 AM I am familiarly with this construction site. But i do not have the chance to the see the finished project,the skyscraper.. When I sold out my concrete mixing plant& Asphalt mixing plant, I always think more about the running of the machine. Hope they perform satisfactorily...
Stephanie-kun May 7th, 2009, 04:26 AM and especially in Russia :)
In Soviet Russia, nobody knows YOU!
christos-greece May 7th, 2009, 07:52 PM That red think, would be glass? I mean red glass...?
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