I know he wasn't born a Manc, but this genius helped to put the City of Manchester on the world map.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/terryfied/thebest.gif


Sorry guys I'm a bit drunk otm, but it's been a sad day for me. :(

This'll no doubt be deleted for being ridiculously off-topic, but while it's here...

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered,"

Legend!

That very same picture was also immortalised on an album sleeve in 1986:

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00000020R.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

That very same picture was also immortalised on an album sleeve in 1986:

I know it was! Where do you think I got it from?!

Wonder where he will spend eternity?

I know it was! Where do you think I got it from?!



Oh - so that bit of handwriting at the bottom was YOUR handiwork then? :)

Rest in peace, Georgie.

Sad that some Leeds and Liverpool fans couldn't bring themselves to pay respect to George.
That's a great album btw Martin G. Saw TWP at Birmingham Hummingbird c1989. Amazing concert!

Oh - so that bit of handwriting at the bottom was YOUR handiwork then? :)

You cheeky git! :)

I downloaded a picture, and I edited it in photoshop by adding some appropriate text.

What's wrong with that?

Nothing at all! I certainly wasn't discrediting you or anything! :)

Nothing at all! I certainly wasn't discrediting you or anything! :)

Fair enough.

I thought you were accusing me of being deceitful!? :)

I'm not like that!

Now if someone was to put the Manc Beetham in Stockport; now that's a different story! :cheers:

Great pics. BTW.

Sad that some Leeds and Liverpool fans couldn't bring themselves to pay respect to George.
That's a great album btw Martin G. Saw TWP at Birmingham Hummingbird c1989. Amazing concert!


Its funny how Leeds fans got called scum but the Liverpool fans didn't (Newspapers) ;o

Its funny how Leeds fans got called scum but the Liverpool fans didn't (Newspapers) ;o

The Scousers were a disgrace!

Hypercrites!

Wonder where he will spend eternity?
On top of the Beetham tower looking over Greater Manchester!!!!!!!

Its funny how Leeds fans got called scum but the Liverpool fans didn't (Newspapers) ;o


Oh you mustn't know about the New Law forbidding anything bad being said about scousers or Liverpool in general in the national press or media. Your punishment for this crime is a circus like parade round Liverpool apologising and begging for forgiveness before being told to kindly not come back. Hurrah for free speech :bash:

George was a Wolves fan as a boy and yesterday watching the the fans at molineux on TV brought goose bumps to my skin. what a fitting tribute.

English fans, players honor Best
Daily News Wire Services



English soccer fans and players paid tribute Saturday to legendary striker George Best, who died Friday in a London hospital following decades of alcohol abuse.

All four professional divisions held moments of silence before each match, but fans in Wolverhampton instead broke into spontaneous applause, and those in Portsmouth chanted, "There's only one George Best."

The tribute was quickly halted before the Manchester City-Liverpool game in Manchester when fans began jeering. Man City and Liverpool are bitter rivals of Manchester United, the club for which Best starred in the 1960s and early 1970s.

Oh you mustn't know about the New Law forbidding anything bad being said about scousers or Liverpool in general in the national press or media. Your punishment for this crime is a circus like parade round Liverpool apologising and begging for forgiveness before being told to kindly not come back. Hurrah for free speech :bash:

Blunted as ever Rolybling.

It is perhaps interesting to note the the source of the Spectator's anti-Liverpool leading article the week after Ken Bigley was murdered has its roots in Boris Johnson attending a Fulham-Man Utd match the day after Bigley's beheading and hearing a minority of scumbag Man Utd fans jeering during the period of silence.

This set him thinking about whether such public outpouring of grief that our nowadays common nationally (witness the aftermath of the July 7 bombings, for example) are appropriate. A valid point for discussion, I think.

However, the problem was that he didn't write the editorial himself but asked the Spectator's Simon Heffer (a nasty, bigotted, ultra-right wing piece of work, who no doubt hates all gays like Roly as much as he does Scousers) to pen the article. Jenkins couldn't believe his luck in that Bigley was from Liverpool and extended the idea into a general ignorant and hate-filled attack in the population of Liverpool, who had little connection with Bigley, who had left the city decade previous and had in fact barely reacted to his death at all. Lovely.

Still, it's an amusing irony that the ultimate root cause of the Spectator's attack on Scousers was a bunch of Mancs acting like scum during a minute's silence.

In the spirit of the Spectator I will now blame the bad behaviour of a minority of Liverpool support during the minute's silence for George Best at the City match on Man Utd.

Oh its always someone elses fault..no doubt

No you're right Roly. It is Scousers' fault that Ken Bigley was murdered, that some Mancs jeered during the minute's silence and that the Spectator attacked the city afterwards, accusing Liverpool fans of causing the Hillsborough disaster, which of course they did.

No you're right Roly. It is Scousers' fault that Ken Bigley was murdered, that some Mancs jeered during the minute's silence and that the Spectator attacked the city afterwards, accusing Liverpool fans of causing the Hillsborough disaster, which of course they did.


come on now, don't put words in my mouth. I never said any of that. Its funny you blaming someone else for that whole thing, quite telling i'd say...

FROM BBC ONLINE
The article, in the issue dated 16 October, says people in Liverpool "cannot accept that they might have made any contribution to their misfortunes, but seek rather to blame someone else for it, thereby deepening their sense of shared tribal grievance about the rest of society".

That's a quote from the Spectator leader Roly, quite correct.

Are you posting it because you agree with the piece in all of its odiousness?

The problem with you is that you hate people from Liverpool. It's an ignorant bigotry that you have displayed on this fourm before. Some nasty and stupid people hate you because you're gay. No doubt you condemn such attitudes, but you do not possess the intelligence to recognise one of your own ingrained prejudices.

What does Its funny you blaming someone else for that whole thing mean? Is "that whole thing" the Bigley affair? You think it is funny that anyone should suggest that it was anyone other than Scousers' fault that Ken Bigley was murdered and the Spatator issues an anti-Scouse leading article before his body had got cold? You DO agree with my absurd post above then? :crazy:

By the way, if you are really as slow as you seem, the blame for the minority of Liverpool fans who jeered at Besty's minute's silence at City lies with those Liverpool fans alone, just as some Man U fans were to blame for jeering during Ken Bigley's minutes' silence.

That's a quote from the Spectator leader Roly, quite correct.

Are you posting it because you agree with the piece in all of its odiousness?

The problem with you is that you hate people from Liverpool. It's an ignorant bigotry that you have displayed on this fourm before. Some nasty and stupid people hate you because you're gay. No doubt you condemn such attitudes, but you do not possess the intelligence to recognise one of your own ingrained prejudices.

What does mean? Is "that whole thing" the Bigley affair? You think it is funny that anyone should suggest that it was anyone other than Scousers' fault that Ken Bigley was murdered and the Spatator issues an anti-Scouse leading article before his body had got cold? You DO agree with my absurd post above then? :crazy:

By the way, if you are really as slow as you seem, the blame for the minority of Liverpool fans who jeered at Besty's minute's silence at City lies with those Liverpool fans alone, just as some Man U fans were to blame for jeering during Ken Bigley's minutes' silence.

Your off your head..No I don't agree with the article but I do think it had some valid points.

er..I don't hate scousers, I just love free speech. My over all opinion of scousers is a positive one but I should be allowed the freedom to express the negatives aswell, same as anyone else.

I didn't say scousers were to blame for Ken Bigley's death, why would I think that? Why would YOU think I think that? When I said "that whole thing" I meant the Spectator article and the circus that followed it.

Stop misquoting me :)


I met George Best in Stretford Arndale of all places once back in the 80's, he was a well nice bloke and signed me and my mates school blazers, should have kept that blazer.

Yes, by all accounts Geoge Best was a nice chap. RIP.

its still not to late.....may be scrap the blade and place a giant statue of GEORGE BEST on the top of the BEETHAM TOWER as a tribute, you know like the statue of KINGKONG that used to be in Bull Ring Centre, Birmingham many years ago....(remember kingkong when he climbed up the empire state building!!! ) :cheers:

Half a dozen morons spoilt a minutes silence at the City of Manchester stadium out of a 3000 away following who at the end booed this minority of c***s. Should have been an applause all the way through but was turned down for some reason.

On another note any of you holier than thou Mancunians at the Liverpool V Manchester United game of March 1993, when some of your section, a minority, disrespected the minutes silence for the lad Tony Bland (Hillsborough), who was kept on a life support machine and died 3 days before this game?

Small minority of dickheads spoil it for everyone.

L11 - interesting the Munich songs all but stopped after Hillsborough.

L11 - interesting the Munich songs all but stopped after Hillsborough.

Bill shankly 81

Aberfan 70's

Hillsborough songs

Shipman

Etc etc

Hope they've all stopped eh? :)

Bill shankly 81

Aberfan 70's

Hillsborough songs

Shipman

Etc etc

Hope they've all stopped eh? :)

Why is Shipman included in that list?

Why is Shipman included in that list?

Because some of our gobshite element sing shipman songs.

The Scousers were a disgrace!

Hypercrites!
A handful of idiots spoiled the silence, and wouldn't a similar minority of Manchester United fans have done the same to a Liverpool legend? Well, they already have done with Ken Bigley and Hillsborough. I think you're the real hypocrite here (and learn how to spell it correctly).

Oh, and rolybling no more shit-stirring please. Thank you.

A handful of idiots spoiled the silence,

True.

and wouldn't a similar minority of Manchester United fans have done the same to a Liverpool legend?

No.

Well, they already have done with Ken Bigley and Hillsborough.

When did Man Utd fans not observe a minutes silence for the victims of the Hillsborough tragedy? and excuse my ignorance but I don't recall a minutes silence being held for Ken Bigley.

My bad actually, the jeering at the minute's silence for Ken Bigley occurred at Old Trafford, but ahead of the England-Wales international rather than a United match, according to Boris Johnson himself.

I will tell you the genesis of the piece. I was driving a child to a football match, and we were listening on the radio to the start of the England-Wales game, where it was the intention to hold a minute's silence in memory of Ken Bigley.

I listened with mounting disbelief and disgust; because instead of keeping silent - as the people of Liverpool kept silent - the crowd started to jabber. Then they started to swear, and jeer, and catcall.

After what seemed like barely twenty or thirty seconds the ref was so embarrassed that he gave up, and blew the whistle for the start of the game. The following day I looked in the papers for an account of this disgrace, and found nothing, and thought we should have a piece on it.



http://www.boris-johnson.com/archives/2004/10/statement_on_th.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3728596.stm


The first link is to Johnson's apology for those parts of the article that referred to Liverpool, which he acknowledged were wrong and withdrew whilst maintaining that part of the thrust of the article (and the point he wanted to make when the commissioned the article but, it appears, left to the loathsome Simon Heffer to write) was worthwhile. That we should be sceptical about the modern and growing national trend of visibly showing distress and exhibiting grief for people we do not know.

The biggest example of such behaviour that I can think of was the hundreds of thousand who turned out in London weeping and hurling bunches of flowers when Diana died.

No.
What do you mean? Of course they would. It happens with every club and their small minority of morons. I've seen so-called fans on message boards mocking minute silences about Hillsborough: they're bound to do it for real if they get the chance. Stop trying to take the moral high ground.

A handful of idiots spoiled the silence, and wouldn't a similar minority of Manchester United fans have done the same to a Liverpool legend? Well, they already have done with Ken Bigley and Hillsborough. I think you're the real hypocrite here (and learn how to spell it correctly).

Oh, and rolybling no more shit-stirring please. Thank you.

I don't know? Would they? Regardless, it was Liverpool fans who did it this time! Why don't you shift the blame as usual! You Scousers always do!

Ps! I'm a City fan!( get your facts right HYPORCRITE! :) )

I don't know? Would they? Regardless, it was Liverpool fans who did it this time! Shift the blame as usual! You Scousers always do!

Ps! I'm a City fan!( get your facts right HYPORCRITE! :) )
OK, you're a City fan. My bad.

As for the rest of your post, fuck off you little shit-stirrer. I am quite right to shift the blame from myself because I had nothing to do with it. You know, just because a couple of dicks who ruined a minute's silence happened to be Liverpool fans doesn't mean you can justify reviving old prejudiced stereotypes about Liverpool. If you can't see that, then you really are thick.

http://86.135.164.195:8080/GeorgeBest/Index.htm - should work, a few pictures of the memorial this lunchtime - Old Trafford didn't seem to get anything like the snow there was in Wythenshawe today.

Is that link working coming across the internet? I'm getting access denied from within my own network, but cannot see why, too many RDP/http/SMB connections on my laptop to web server to work out what is going on.

Yeah, it's working. It's nice that fans of other clubs have also left their respects there (including Liverpool - take note jrb).

A handful of idiots spoiled the silence, and wouldn't a similar minority of Manchester United fans have done the same to a Liverpool legend? Well, they already have done with Ken Bigley and Hillsborough. I think you're the real hypocrite here (and learn how to spell it correctly).

Oh, and rolybling no more shit-stirring please. Thank you.

Why would Utd fans or any other fans for that matter be expected to observe a minutes silence for Ken Bigley?? I don't get it..A scouser dies in what were admittedly horrible circumstances but we're all expected to mourn the guy like we knew him or something..it's bollocks. What about a minutes silence for all the troops that died fighting for their country instead? Why should anyone outside Bigley's family give a rats ass about him? I don't get it.

Why would Utd fans or any other fans for that matter be expected to observe a minutes silence for Ken Bigley?? I don't get it..A scouser dies in what were admittedly horrible circumstances but we're all expected to mourn the guy like we knew him or something..it's bollocks. What about a minutes silence for all the troops that died fighting for their country instead? Why should anyone outside Bigley's family give a rats ass about him? I don't get it.
I agree. But then, you can't force people to respect George Best either. Also, the silence was most likely to do with him being British (it was on the front cover of all the papers I seem to remember). Him being from Liverpool had nothing to do with anything (I didn't even know he was from Liverpool until that shit with The Spectator got into the news). I agree that the silence for Ken Bigley may have been OTT, but it was more a British over-empathising fault than a scouse one.

I don't like minute's silences at all. However should one arise, I do think it should be respected whether you agree with it or not.

Why would Utd fans or any other fans for that matter be expected to observe a minutes silence for Ken Bigley?? I don't get it..A scouser dies in what were admittedly horrible circumstances but we're all expected to mourn the guy like we knew him or something..it's bollocks. What about a minutes silence for all the troops that died fighting for their country instead? Why should anyone outside Bigley's family give a rats ass about him? I don't get it.


Why would Liverpool fans or any other fans for that matter be expected to observe a minutes silence for George Best?? I don't get it..A former Man Utd player dies in what were admittedly miserable circumstances but we're all expected to mourn the guy like we knew him or something..it's bollocks. What about a minutes silence for all the folks who die despite not having killed themselves with drink and pissed all of their talent up the wall. Why should anyone outside Best's family and friends give a rats ass about him? I don't get it.


Read the above paragraph, Roly (which I do not agree with in the slightest), think whether you agree with it. If you don't try to think why your almost identical post was wrong, and why any reasonable person would find it offensive and very stupid indeed.

well I was simply making the VALID point that Bigley had nowt to do with football, why would footballers and fans be expected to observe a minutes silence for him? People die every day but of course I forgot that when its a scouser its somehow different

I repeat: it had nothing to do with him being from Liverpool. The reaction to Bigley's death in Liverpool was minimal, apart from family and friends of course.

Why would Liverpool fans or any other fans for that matter be expected to observe a minutes silence for George Best?? I don't get it..A former Man Utd player dies in what were admittedly miserable circumstances but we're all expected to mourn the guy like we knew him or something..it's bollocks. What about a minutes silence for all the folks who die despite not having killed themselves with drink and pissed all of their talent up the wall. Why should anyone outside Best's family and friends give a rats ass about him? I don't get it.


Well maybe because he was a great footballer in his day, probably the very best, Maybe because he was FAMOUS as a footballer?? Its just a guess

I wouldn't say he just pissed his talent up the wall, he won quite a few things at United. Like any footballer that dies or anyone connected with the game its right to have a minutes silence, not for some guy out in Iraq.

ive no time for Best. the bloke killed himself with drink.

He was an idiot. And im sorry but he also wasn't thebest player the Uk has ever seen. maybe in his day he was, but there are plenty other names that come to mind.

Agreed - I thought about this - have been getting a bit pissed off recently about the numbers of minutes silence at football recently - I mean wtf was the Bigley one all about - talk about mourning syndrome.

However, I do think there is a place when it is a footballer that had an impact on the game, such as Bobby Moore or George Best, or even on a local level when the kid Davis died, United held a minutes silence - and quite rightly this was not reflected around the country.

Many people the country over became interested in football due to George - he did a lot for the sport, not just for United, and for that reason alone I think it fair that when he died the sport as a whole should show some respect to him.

What do you mean? Of course they would. It happens with every club and their small minority of morons..
Sorry Pobbie, I misread what you wrote.
Yes, the small minority of morons would.
I've seen so-called fans on message boards mocking minute silences about Hillsborough: they're bound to do it for real if they get the chance.
I don't read the football forums that often 'cos they're populated by morons, the nastiest being "Scoopex", you probably know of him.

The biggest example of such behaviour that I can think of was the hundreds of thousand who turned out in London weeping and hurling bunches of flowers when Diana died.

its not just here, there were suicides elsewhere in the world including a mass one in pakistan. i remember when she died, i went to hyde park with a camera to photograph all the morons there. its not often you see history happening. i was completely taken aback by the hysteria, and it infected almost everyone in the country, it almost felt like this repressive dictatorship with some of us wanting to go about our lives and other people actually stopping us.
it gets absurd now, a minutes silence for this, a minutes silence for that and for what? ken bigley is the classic example. why ken bigley and not the other murdered britons? another two were killed today...
what gets even more annoying is this idea that a minutes silence isnt enough now, no, we need two or three minutes. if we have a minutes silence for the likes of ken bigley that means we need bigger silences for more important events, we're stuck in this stupid silence cycle.
dont get me wrong though, i was pissed off as hell about bigley, you should read the diatribes on my blog on how the govt just left the guy to get his head hacked off insisting they dont talk to terrorists whilst meeting members of the ira governing council the same week. fuckers.

I don't know? Would they? Regardless, it was Liverpool fans who did it this time! Why don't you shift the blame as usual! You Scousers always do!

Liverpool v Manchester City during a minutes silence at Anfield for Matt Busby who played for Liverpool, Citeh and managed United and the Citeh fans sung through it!

So it seems it happens everywhere eh?

^^^Matt Busby was Liverpools club captain no less, and was going to be coach until Man u knicked him.^^^ And he was in the Liverpool kings regiment during the war btw.

:cheers:

dear god!! what on earth has this to do with a built environment forum?
Just read all the shit above children - my city's better than yours playground stuff.

At least show a bit of respect to a dead man by not using his name to indulge your bigotries.

I tell you one thing I hate about this and thats the Newspapers. They slag him off and then when dies they are doing whole newspapers on how great he was. Also no one said he was the greatest ever untill he died. Befour he died everybody always said Pele and Mardonna where the greatest. Whats with that?