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Newcastle Guy November 29th, 2005, 11:48 PM Theres been lots of discussion about this all over, and there is a similar thread in the Leeds section, so...
What can we see start or end construction in 2006?
How many more will we have U/C by next christmas?
Any 200m+?
wjfox November 30th, 2005, 12:03 AM Hope you don't mind, but I renamed the thread - next year, we'll probably want to look back on this thread, so it will be easier to find. :)
wjfox November 30th, 2005, 12:15 AM My predictions:
DIFA Tower will be resubmitted at a height of around 260-280m, and will be approved by around Easter/early summer.
London Bridge Tower, the UK's first 1000ft+ skyscraper, and the most stunning proposal in the world right now, will finally start groundwork, with Southwark Towers being vacated by the end of the year.
Beetham Tower will be approved, and will start construction by Easter, with the core starting to rise by early summer.
Broadgate Tower's core will be rising by around Feb/March, and making a significant impact on the skyline by late summer.
1 Millharbour will start shooting up.
51 Lime Street will top out by March/April, and the steel frame will be nearing completion by the end of the year.
At least 3 or 4 new midrises will start construction, including the Middlesex Street tower in the City, and News International on the City fringe.
London November 30th, 2005, 12:22 AM Oh, and can i add... in the later half of 2006... expect more projects to be revealed. I was accualy suprised with the amount of proposals/approvals to this date. That's only the first wave of skyscrapers. As always... expect a second :yes:
London November 30th, 2005, 12:28 AM My predictions:
Beetham Tower will be approved, and will start construction by Easter, with the core starting to rise by early summer.
Oh... do you believe that Beetham will witness an approval. I rekon some height deductions are right on its path. Nonetheless im fingers crossed with this one because, again, there are not any skyscraper as innovative as this one in the world today.
london lad November 30th, 2005, 12:34 AM 2005 has been a busy year such a shame the 2005 predictions thread was lost as would've been good to see how accurate our predictions where.
Anway apart form the obvious happening, Lime st, Pan P, Broadgate etc I reckon:
Provided Beetham gets through planning unscathed it will start in 2006
Norton Folgate will go in for planning & be approved
Wilkinson Eyre will finally go in for planning
We will get news on 2 towers of 500ft in the city of London
we will get news of at least one other 500ft tower in London
2 residential towers of 40 storeys or more will go in for planning.
RS will start construction (well bit of a long shot that one)
Battersea Power station will finally get some serious construction happening.
DarJoLe November 30th, 2005, 12:50 AM Well I was very scathing last year and accused of negativity when in actual fact it turned out I was right on nearly all accounts.
So this year I'll be a bit more positive. But only a bit.
I think it's obvious to anyone the last few months have seen a return of confidence to the office market, especially in the City- but whether this ripple turns into a full wave will remain to be seen. Broadgate going up speculatively will certainly give other developers the raised eyebrow to sign on the line and at least start on something tall. The 50% sold apartments in Pan Penninsula surely gives the residential market something to crack on with in confidence as well.
I'd say 2006 will be the turnaround year. Bar any kind of disaster that wipes the economy out overnight I'll hope that we at least see the beginning of this so-called 'crane city' and see in 2007 with enough cores zipping up that we don't have time to make every office move and consolidation a priority on the boards. However, I think we'll also see a few more proposals bit the dust like Columbus have - as well as a few new ones that will hit the bumps.
Obviously the ones under construction - 51 Lime Street, Ontario, and Pan Penninsula, will continue, and I see the Broadgate core zooming up in the spring.
In Canary Wharf, I would see the remarkable selling of Pan Penninsula will mean Crossharbour finally starts somekind of work on the site in the summer, and I would say the Marsh Wall towers will see something happen. Office-wise, I doubt we'll see much, the remaining BP buildings will start later in the year, but I doubt Riverside South will see anything. A couple of rumours of take up maybe, but nothing substantial. North Quay and the remaining plot at Cananda Square I doubt will see anything until the business with Crossrail is done - and that's a long way off.
In the City, DIFA will be approved, and we'll see another tall scheme appear somewhere along the line. I also see a couple of generous mid-rises be proposed for a few plots around Minerva, which will drag on and not see any action. Norton Rose will leave 110 bishopsgate later in the year and move to the completed More London, and the site will begin demolition in the winter. They'll be the first tennant announced for 122 Leadenhall, but nothing of any substance will happen site-wise.
Beetham will drag on for a while. I can see a few people sticking their oar in over this, and Coin Street (which I predict will die a death in its current form). Vauxhall Tower will begin later in the year, with a core shooting up in early autumn.
London Bridge Tower, ah. Next year will be the decider. It can go either way, and I really really cannot decide which way it will go. On our side, we've been told PwC have to vacate the building by the summer or face legal action. Sellar and Piano are extremely determined to see this tower built. However, I know full well how stubborn PwC are being at staying in Southwark Towers - and from what i gather are willing to take this as far as they can financially to stay. The building is theirs, and they aren't willing to give it up for love nor money. I can easily see this dragging on for another year and it really will be make or break for Sellar whether he wants to continue this project. I sincerely hope these 'rumours' of infighting in the project are just that, and deals are being done and we can get this baby going - it is my favourite London project afterall - but I can't see anything concrete happen on site until the latter protion of the year, if at all.
What I do see happen next year is something at some point that will be a massive boost to the skyscraper 'boom' in London - I have no idea what, but I reckon Ken will say something, nudge someone or get someone on his side and denounce EH with a scathing remark. I can also see someone somewhere announcing these projects and skyscrapers must be up and complete before 2012, even if it is just a landmark date to have a new improved, beautiful London for the Olympics - and this will push a few people along to get these projects up in the sky.
And then we have that of course, 2012. I can see a handful of residential towers beign announced around Stratford, and the architectural plans for the individual venues will be released later in the year. Another point to mention is the beginning of the Mayor's 100 Public Spaces project which begins next year - turning 100 key interchanges in the Capital into pedestrianised car free areas - which will change London dramatically at street level.
So all in all, better than this year. I can see a real confidence returning to the market. They'll be a few bumps along the way and we may lose one or two of our proposals, but I reckon 2006 will be an exciting time, preparing us for what is likely to be a manic and core filled 2007. Let's hope.
wjfox November 30th, 2005, 01:21 AM Another point to mention is the beginning of the Mayor's 100 Public Spaces project which begins next year - turning 100 key interchanges in the Capital into pedestrianised car free areas - which will change London dramatically at street level.
I didn't know about that - sounds very interesting.
Zenith November 30th, 2005, 01:37 AM Another point to mention is the beginning of the Mayor's 100 Public Spaces project which begins next year - turning 100 key interchanges in the Capital into pedestrianised car free areas - which will change London dramatically at street level.
Yes im extremely excited about this ....JUST PLEEEASE part pedestrainise and do something about parliament square !
Jake_the_Peg November 30th, 2005, 01:48 AM I'd like to make a few comments about DarJoLe's predictions, so let me first commend his courage for making some.
As to Southwark Towers, it's a matter of fact who owns them, and some of the more senior posters here state quite clearly it's Sellar.
As to there being a pivotal moment, maybe next year, I must say I disagree. I just cannot foresee a positive (for those seeking skyscrapers) shock. Every shock I can imagine is negative: more bombs, an economic downturn, another war, etc. The most positive shock imaginable happened this summer - unexpectedly winning the Olympics - and that had virtually no effect whatsoever.
Thirdly I believe we are in a skyscraper boom now. This is as good as it gets, folks. These things move slowly - London wasn't built in a day - many concrete carbuncles have met their fate, and lots of shiny glass buildings have begun rising in their place. We have had so many proposals it's unreal - and the number passing the planning hurdles is staggering. If it goes any faster than present then the quality threshold falls and I don't want that. I think we also underestimate Broadgate Tower which will be the tallest building starting construction in The City since Tower 42 began 34 years ago! I'm very confident that it will be overtaken within five years.
Starscraper November 30th, 2005, 02:12 AM Nobody has mentioned anything about Minerva, so I will. Next will probably see it sorted out one way or the other. Either it will start or will be scrapped.
We should also find out whether or not the new buildings in Croydon will go ahead.
andysimo123 November 30th, 2005, 02:15 AM The Beetham tower in Birmingham will have the back redone to make it safe and look better.
Manuel November 30th, 2005, 09:47 AM Manchester will stick to its crane city status for the years to come.
In London:
The residential market will continue to outperform the office market.
* St George + Marshwall + Convoy Wharf and the other scheme in Greenwich will see construction begins.
* Wembley will see its small towers up.
* Croydon dev will still be plagued by legal challenges...
* Stratford City will commence (phase 1) and interest for tall residential in around the subcentre will be expressed. One or two projects will begin.
* Building works on Battersea Power Station will be in full swing
* Kensington and Chelsea will finally accept tall residential building.
* Groundworks on Riverside South may start.
* Some news on new proposals in the City but not any tall activity.
Jonny 5 November 30th, 2005, 11:39 AM I think we also underestimate Broadgate Tower which will be the tallest building starting construction in The City since Tower 42 began 34 years ago!
*cough*
http://static.flickr.com/1/1069329_1ae5b487c7.jpg
*cough*
Bob November 30th, 2005, 12:11 PM Nobody has mentioned anything about Minerva, so I will. Next will probably see it sorted out one way or the other. Either it will start or will be scrapped.
True. They will either sell the site or progress with the tower. No company can afford to do nothing with such an asset.
Bob November 30th, 2005, 12:31 PM A bit of the out-of-the-spotlight stuff
-We should get some more detailed news on both Kings Cross railway lands and Stratford city as CTRL construction activity completes. I think we can expect residential and hotel and office towers at Stratford up to 150m. At KX there may be one or two 20 floor residentials, but no more. It should however be a damn exciting project none the less. Site clearnances on the Olympic lands.
Planning application for a new London Bridge Station and Thameslink 2000 PI will run.
Potters fields towers will start construction in the summer.
More details and first construction around the dome later in the year.
Silvertown and Peruvian wharf projects should move forward but painfully slowly.
East London Line construction to start. Planning application for something at the old Bishopsgate Goods Yard (site of ELL Shoreditch station). Most probably high density residential and a mid-rise office block at the city end.
Manuel November 30th, 2005, 12:44 PM Oh yes, King's Cross, works are very likely. Id more cautious on Peruvian Wharf and Silvertown.
Also, Reuters towers and in the first half of 2006, we'll probably see the Elektron towers at Blackwall.
scouserdave November 30th, 2005, 12:53 PM Hope you don't mind, but I renamed the thread :)
In future, could you PM the person first before renaming the thread?
Hardly fucking Rocket Science chaps. :bash:
DarJoLe November 30th, 2005, 01:40 PM we'll probably see the Elektron towers at Blackwall.
Definately - they've put up renderings by the site and a pile driver arrived last week, forgot to mention.
Peyre November 30th, 2005, 01:41 PM Broadgate will be the largest by floorspace, not the tallest.
Manuel November 30th, 2005, 02:15 PM forgot to mention.
What were u thinking about ? :D
Cool news even if they dont make me wake up at night!
What about Marylebone road make over ? is it part of TfL public spaces project ?
DarJoLe November 30th, 2005, 02:59 PM I didn't know about that - sounds very interesting.
http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/auu/
There's some pdfs around there of the projects - all to be complete for 2012. They were shown at the Civilizing Space exhibtion at The building Centre a few months back. Probably the most exciting and dramatic scheme that will change the face of London for the Olympics.
wjfox November 30th, 2005, 09:44 PM Another thing I will add to my predictions:
- The redevelopment of 20 Fenchurch Street. I reckon we'll see a 100-130m tower being proposed there. Demolition of the current tower
may even start by the end of the year (the lease expires in 2006 I believe...).
http://www.willfox.com/images/london/3/7.jpg
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caw123 November 30th, 2005, 09:52 PM My predictions:
DIFA Tower will be resubmitted at a height of around 260-280m, and will be approved by around Easter/early summer.
London Bridge Tower, the UK's first 1000ft+ skyscraper, and the most stunning proposal in the world right now, will finally start groundwork, with Southwark Towers being vacated by the end of the year.
Beetham Tower will be approved, and will start construction by Easter, with the core starting to rise by early summer.
Broadgate Tower's core will be rising by around Feb/March, and making a significant impact on the skyline by late summer.
1 Millharbour will start shooting up.
51 Lime Street will top out by March/April, and the steel frame will be nearing completion by the end of the year.
At least 3 or 4 new midrises will start construction, including the Middlesex Street tower in the City, and News International on the City fringe.
Wow you are incredily optimistic WJ. LBT staring groundwork in 2006? I'd say mid 2007, Southwark Towers will probably take the best part of a year to demolish.
I'd say Beetham could be rising in late 2006 at the earliest.
Broadgate rising within 3-4 months? They haven't started digging yet! I'd say we won't see a core rise until June.
wjfox November 30th, 2005, 10:25 PM Just to clarify - by "groundwork", I meant "activity on site".
And according to the construction schedule (http://shardlondonbridge.com/timeline/development_programme.php) on the recently updated LBT website, Southwark Towers are due to be vacated by the 4th quarter of 2006, with demolition starting immediately.
Regarding the Beetham Tower - the site has already been completely demolished, a decision is expected on the scheme very soon... and we know how quickly Beetham like to get their towers started. :) ;)
gothicform November 30th, 2005, 11:08 PM well - 2006 will be the year of the residentail skyscraper (as PP has shown). here's what i think will start -
* st georges wharf tower
* beetham
* 22 marshwall
* crossharbour
* lots road
* city road basin in islington
* reuters blackwall yard
* west end green
* 44 hopton street
Jake_the_Peg December 1st, 2005, 12:13 AM Speaking of West End Green, I suppose we'll see the new plans for the Grand Union Building and the was-to-be hospital site in Paddington.
Fragmentor December 1st, 2005, 09:07 AM *cough*
http://static.flickr.com/1/1069329_1ae5b487c7.jpg
*cough*
Whats all this, Tower 42 is taller than this :crazy:
Jonny 5 December 1st, 2005, 09:55 AM He said:
I think we also underestimate Broadgate Tower which will be the tallest building starting construction in The City since Tower 42 began 34 years ago!
But 30 St Mary Axe is taller than Broadgate Tower.
Jake_the_Peg December 1st, 2005, 10:13 AM Yes. I was mistaken. Sorry.
Bob December 1st, 2005, 12:40 PM well - 2006 will be the year of the residentail skyscraper (as PP has shown). here's what i think will start -
* st georges wharf tower
* beetham
* 22 marshwall
* crossharbour
* lots road
* city road basin in islington
* reuters blackwall yard
* west end green
* 44 hopton streetSo you're pinning your flag on the 'will get approval' pole for Beetham. Interesting. I still fear that if this goes ahead it will be SO unpopular that we can wave goodbye to all the other proposals.
jef December 1st, 2005, 12:55 PM I still fear that if this (added: Beetham Tower) goes ahead it will be SO unpopular that we can wave goodbye to all the other proposals.
Exactly.
potto December 1st, 2005, 02:21 PM Another thing I will add to my predictions:
- The redevelopment of 20 Fenchurch Street. I reckon we'll see a 100-130m tower being proposed there. Demolition of the current tower
may even start by the end of the year (the lease expires in 2006 I believe...).
great, I hate that building!
jef December 1st, 2005, 02:24 PM I think that Raphael Vinoly is working on that new scheme.
potto December 1st, 2005, 02:45 PM So you're pinning your flag on the 'will get approval' pole for Beetham. Interesting. I still fear that if this goes ahead it will be SO unpopular that we can wave goodbye to all the other proposals.
or it could give a big boost to the image of high-rise living. This country’s perception of high rise living is that it is either foreign or its just a safety net to stop people disappearing from society. I think this development could easily be interpreted as a powerful symbol that living in the centre of a major city is attractive and desirable… as long as the quality of the building is maintained. I suppose this is the most risky proposal but I think that it has an important symbology... Im not as pro this development as I was mainly due to the horror it drew from here and after seeing the ultra-slender coin street proposal i think that the Beetham could perhaps be a bit more slender from the side profile too
potto December 1st, 2005, 04:04 PM Impending US stock market & US Retail crash coming 2006
hope this doesnt effect us or the developments
jef December 1st, 2005, 04:15 PM Impending US stock market & US Retail crash coming 2006
hope this doesnt effect us or the developments
If it does happen, yes it would affect all of us. However, US economic growth accelerated to an annual rate of 4.3% in the three months to September, compared to 1.5% in Europe. It is the European economy, and in particular the UK economy, that needs higher growth rate for office demand to increase and eventually skyscrapers to be built to match this demand.
mulattokid December 1st, 2005, 04:42 PM Theres no doubt that Stratford and therefore Olympic park stuff will take off. Its in the bag and they wont risk leaving it to the last minute with our countries image at stake. I think this will become one of, if not the biggest building site in the world.
There are numerous towers and the only danger I guess is it will be Jerry built due to time constraints....Concept...design...groundworks, civil engineering works etc and linking it all together. A whole new city to be finished in 7 years....there will be no time for Heron/Minerva/Kings cross type flapping about!
DarJoLe December 1st, 2005, 04:49 PM The Olympic Park doesn't start groundwork until 2008. The site will be cleared from Summer 2007 onwards, but nothing will happen physically during 2006.
Stratford City will begin - the booking hall of Stratford International is just starting construction, but there is no direct link between the completion of Stratford City and 2012, which is a massive shame. It's just one of those things. What will be complete is the basic infrastructure - links between the station, the Olympic Village and the stadium and the link to Stratford Regional station, as well as the first phase of the shopping mall. Apart from that, maybe a few residential sites will be complete, but apart from those I doubt much else. Unfortunately, yes, Olympians will arrive to the background of a work in progress city - not due to completion until 2020.
mulattokid December 1st, 2005, 04:49 PM I also agree that there will be a rush by developers to build their outstanding residential towers due to the huge interest in Pan Peninsula, so:
St Georges
Beetham
Lots Road
Edgware Road
Crossharbour
Warwick Road (If RBKC Approve)
mulattokid December 1st, 2005, 04:51 PM OH BUGGER! :runaway:
Alright then I predict webcams being installed at Broadgate tower (he says after reading they have on that thread)
Eastender December 1st, 2005, 05:10 PM we should rename the thread from predictions for 2006 to my wishlist for 2006...
back in 1999/2000 several ppl (at the good old euroscrapers, who still are prominent figures in this forum) predicted london would have 20 - 25 500fters in 2005 and would become europe's skyscraper capital ... aww, sweet memories...
potto December 1st, 2005, 05:42 PM If it does happen, yes it would affect all of us. However, US economic growth accelerated to an annual rate of 4.3% in the three months to September, compared to 1.5% in Europe. It is the European economy, and in particular the UK economy, that needs higher growth rate for office demand to increase and eventually skyscrapers to be built to match this demand.
My friend works in the financial market and he had this to say:
"There is going to be an emerging market stock market and bond market crash next year, as well as a big fall in US small cap companies.
This is revealed in these four charts, which featured in this TIMN piece about Merrill Lynch’s prediction of a US stock market sell of next year, now that an inverted yield curve is screaming “US recession.” The US 10-2yr yield curve leads equity market volatility by 18 months.
It is also near certain that US retail sales are going to collapse next year, as featured in the fifth chart, which shows US housing affordability leading retail sales by a year.
which seems a bit worrying especially if Europe isnt as strong as it should be at the moment
Fragmentor December 1st, 2005, 06:03 PM we should rename the thread from predictions for 2006 to my wishlist for 2006...
back in 1999/2000 several ppl (at the good old euroscrapers, who still are prominent figures in this forum) predicted london would have 20 - 25 500fters in 2005 and would become europe's skyscraper capital ... aww, sweet memories...
It really doesnt matter what would happen 10 years ago, 5 years ago, people thought the world would crash with the Millenium Bug, people thought we would all be hovering around in nice little hover cars years before, and people predicted many many other things. From what I can see, what people are saying here is based on TRUE FACT, the resi market is a good area at the moment, so things with residential development in will get built, its not wishful thinking, its common sense
gothicform December 1st, 2005, 06:08 PM 20-25 500 footers? not here... i did however say we would by the end of the decade.
1 One Canada Square , London 235.00 50 Office Retail 1991 Complete
2 HSBC World Headquarters , London 199.50 45 Office None 2002 Complete
3 Citigroup European Headquarters , London 199.50 45 Office None 2002 Complete
4 Tower 42 , London 183.00 47 Office None 1980 Complete
5 30 St Marys Axe , London 179.80 41 Office None 2003 Complete
6 Broadgate Tower , London 164.30 35 Office Retail 2008 Under Construction
7 BT Telecom Tower , London 160.00 34 Masts Office 1964 Complete
8 1 Churchill Place , London 156.00 32 Office None 2004 Complete
9 40 Bank Street , London 153.00 33 Office None 2003 Complete
10 25 Bank Street , London 153.00 33 Office None 2003 Complete
11 10 Upper Bank Street , London 151.00 32 Office None 2003 Complete
do the sums...
london bridge tower
bishopsgate tower
leadenhall
beetham london
riverside south 1+2
heron tower
st georges wharf tower
the ones we know of that are most likely to go ahead in london and thats without any less well known proposals = 8. that gives us 19 straight off. my prediction anyway back then was by 2010 we'd have a similar number around what houston and dallas had. all it takes is two talls a year to start for us to reach that.
eXSBass December 1st, 2005, 08:31 PM My predictions for 2006
- The Shard will begin demolition of the Southwark Towers very late 2006 following a nasty arguement with PwC with cores going up late 2007
- DIFA, they will undergo a new redisign due to EH and the CAA height decrease and resubmit PP. It will be accepted very late 2006/early 2007
- Columbus will be officially canceled, gicing an advantage Heartmere House's owners in that they don't need to build it and it will give more backing to Crossrail
- 122 Leadenhall Street will get either a major tennant securing a hell of a lot of space or several smaller pre lets
- 51 Lime Street and Ontario will top out
For the other projects, I don't know enough about them to make predictions.
Eastender December 2nd, 2005, 01:21 AM It really doesnt matter what would happen 10 years ago, 5 years ago, people thought the world would crash with the Millenium Bug, people thought we would all be hovering around in nice little hover cars years before, and people predicted many many other things. From what I can see, what people are saying here is based on TRUE FACT, the resi market is a good area at the moment, so things with residential development in will get built, its not wishful thinking, its common sense
the only fact is that every prediction so far has been wrong (=overly optimistic). I must admit though - the recent predictions are quite realistic - compared to the predictions only a few years ago.
gothicform: I don't know why you think, it was you, who I thought of...
must have been your prediction for the grand union bldg (construction start in 2001), or your riverside south and north quay predictions (construction start 2004) back in 2001, which I still remember... ;)
wjfox December 2nd, 2005, 01:23 AM http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:C5HqwZY7cj8J:www.hoogbouw.nl/uksf/cgi-bin/topic.cgi%3Fforum%3D2%26topic%3D279+%2280+Bishopsgate%22+cosmos+gothicform&hl=en
Madman December 2nd, 2005, 02:08 AM wow that's old i was waiting for my GCSE results then lol. how did you get that far back?
wjfox December 2nd, 2005, 02:17 AM I remembered that thread from the old forum... so I just googled some of the keywords I knew would be in it, and there it was.
The old forum has been totally deleted now though, so it only exists in Google's cache unfortunately - this means the very first SwissRe thread has gone (which had pics of the tower's construction from the ground up, including the framework of the first few floors). Shame it couldn't have been archived somewhere.
gothicform December 2nd, 2005, 02:35 AM 2001? wasnt me. i only started posting in december 2001. lol.
still 45 floors for leadenhall, not a bad prediction eh given that was over a year before it was announced. the property development in angel we know now as city road basin is 35 floors, not far off with that one too.
me in 2002 on what would start next in london - "other skyscrapers to start next year are the grand union building at 132m, 1millharbour at 139m and limestreet at 128m."
well i was almost right, just got the year wrong but what was coming next i did get down properly GUB aside. lol. in my defense they did start it, did some ground work then stopped. lol. still interesting to see, and this is why i dont do construction predictions anymore, developers are full of optimistic shit when it comes to development timetables.
from the 2003 ones - "expect further construction of the Millenium Quarter around Millharbour although whether Ballymore choose to do that or Arrowhead Quay next is anyone's guess.New Providence Wharf will be completed with its 102m tall tower whilst we should see some work on the neighbouring and similar sized plans for Blackwall Basin..."
more from 2003 - "developer British Land has stated they may build it speculatively which is an indication that the climate is improving after a depressed 2003 but whether we actually see it start is another thing entirely.We expect to hear further about 122 Leadenhall and 6-8 Bishopsgate, part of the next wave of skyscrapers for the area but don't look out for them starting construction any time soon."
interesting to see the predictions i made in 2003 for manchester too for 2004. i said that beetham, GN tower and the CJC would be the next ones to start all in 2004, again got the order of the pipeline right but not the date. bah.
wjfox December 2nd, 2005, 09:37 AM Ahh... so the Grand Union Building has already started ground work? Interesting.
wjfox December 2nd, 2005, 09:40 AM This is the building I'm talking about, for those who don't know.
Almost like a shorter version of Heron:
http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/grandunionbuilding/1.jpg
jef December 2nd, 2005, 10:41 AM ....There is going to be a market crash next year...
As long as the US productivity growth is above long-term average, America can cope with overvaluation. A slow and protracted adjustment towards equilibrium is more likely than a big crash - as the UK housing sector.
Manuel December 2nd, 2005, 10:56 AM Ahh... so the Grand Union Building has already started ground work? Interesting.
I though it was cancelled for the time being...
jef December 2nd, 2005, 11:05 AM My predictions for Canary Wharf 2006.
1 Millharbour: Phase 2 of the scheme starts construction (have you noted that this second tower is now featured in the documentation relative to the Pan-Peninsula Tower).
Churchill Place: Construction starting on 10-20 Churchill Place.
Riverside South: Site preparation and enabling works starts next year.
jef December 2nd, 2005, 11:07 AM My predictions for Canary Wharf 2006.
1 Millharbour: Phase 2 of the scheme starts construction (have you noted that this second tower is now featured in the documentation relative to the Pan-Peninsula Tower).
Churchill Place: Construction starting on 10-20 Churchill Place.
Riverside South: Site preparation and enabling works start next year.
jimbo December 2nd, 2005, 01:21 PM Does seem it could be the year of the residential towers. Broadgate and Willis will give us offices towers to stare at for the next year at least, and by then, lets hope we get some movement on Heron and LBT.
If we get anything substantial on LBT or the Bishopsgate Tower I'll be happy. These are the future aces of the London skyline.
Mr Bricks December 2nd, 2005, 03:46 PM What is the grand union building?
jef December 2nd, 2005, 05:00 PM EGi: Canary Wharf to clinch new occupiers as activity picks up
Hope they concluded large deals so that construction can resume on the estate.
mulattokid December 2nd, 2005, 05:39 PM I think there is confusion about Grand Union. From what I am reading this was a prediction of a start, which did not happen. However, if I am wrong and there is talk of activity I will mince over on my bike and have a butchers!!! Its not that far from me.
Has someone heard of something happening there?
gothicform December 2nd, 2005, 05:58 PM no.... the GUB started groundwork, chelsfield then promptly stopped it as the market got worse and their nerve on securing a pre-let vanished.
Fragmentor December 2nd, 2005, 08:43 PM Hmmm, office stuff with LBT and Heron would be lovely, but Heron have said 2007 is the year for them, Im holding out for The Shard to keep to its recently published construction timetable thing
london lad November 15th, 2006, 11:29 AM 2005 has been a busy year such a shame the 2005 predictions thread was lost as would've been good to see how accurate our predictions where.
Anway apart form the obvious happening, Lime st, Pan P, Broadgate etc I reckon:
Provided Beetham gets through planning unscathed it will start in 2006
Norton Folgate will go in for planning & be approved
Wilkinson Eyre will finally go in for planning
We will get news on 2 towers of 500ft in the city of London
we will get news of at least one other 500ft tower in London
2 residential towers of 40 storeys or more will go in for planning.
RS will start construction (well bit of a long shot that one)
Battersea Power station will finally get some serious construction happening.
Seeing as the 2007 prediction thread is up & running lets have a look at what we predicted for this year.
Well I did well-lol
Beetham- didn't get through planning unscathed- one for next year me thinks
Norton folgate- Well we got a rendering but planning got pushed back till next year.
2 new ones in the city I got right- hurrah! 20FC & 100 Bishopsgate.
Quite a few of new towers proposed- a couple over 500ft
RS- Was a long shot but hopefully next year.
Battersea Power station- Fingers crossed next year will be the year.
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