Quick written update

25 floor plates are complete.

20 floors have glass

The core is 28 levels up with 1 in the box

A couple of pictures!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lukekasper/urbanworkshop1.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lukekasper/urbanworkshop2.jpg

wow, thanks guys,how good is this forum! instant info & photos. brilliant
another 10 floors or so in core to go.
cheers

another 10 floors or so in core to go.If it's 34 floors above ground, wouldn't that mean 3-4 floors to go?

It's great how they are starting to cover the core in tiles.

I guess it's difficult to to get a front on pic of the building as it's wedged in between Telstra Corporate Building and Casselden.

**BTW Is any more news on the approved 16 level Urban Workshop Spring St building as yet?

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zip afaik.

just realised that there are lift doors on the Telstra side of the core - AWB house had some doors / access points, but not as many as that?! unless they're going to wrap something around the core at a later stage of construction.

sorry, having a series of blonde moments tonight :lol:

Just trying to think how this building is going to make any impact being wedged between the two buildings it is and being shorter than both..

A stocking stuffer?

Cheers,

Adam

muse, sory normallt 500footers consist of atleast 40 floors. wow 34 . must have high ceilings/?.

It is only 144m to the roof of the office floors with a 6 metre high LMR on top of the roof bringing the height to 150m.

A couple of pictures!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lukekasper/urbanworkshop1.jpg


floor plates look rusty :uh:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/drunkill/P1050003.jpg
From today... sorry i could not get closer (on a school excursion :P )

Here we go, i got a bit closer :P
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/drunkill/UW2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/drunkill/UW1.jpg

A very nice filler. Pity it wasn't as tall as Telstra, but its a great design. Hopefuly they will build the other shorter tower on the corner of Sping St.

A very nice filler. Pitty it wasn't as tall as Teltsra.Oh no!! I don't believe it!! This is spooky (once again, the first Vic thread I open for the day) LOLOL :hilarious:

...and Aussie Steve...I haven't corrected you before...but "pity" only has one 't'. If you're going to do it, at least do it properly.

Anyway, It's more than a filler. A filler is just a little-ly that fills. This is creating a nice scraper wall with Telstra and Casselden....and you can see it pretty-well around the gaps from La Trobe and from on Little Lonsdale.

Nice pics by the way guys. IMO The glass is looking great. :okay:

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Oh no!! I don't believe it!! This is spooky (once again, the first Vic thread I open for the day) LOLOL :hilarious:

...and Aussie Steve...I haven't corrected you before...but "pity" only has one 't'. If you're going to do it, at least do it properly.

Anyway, It's more than a filler. A filler is just a little-ly that fills. This is creating a nice scraper wall with Telstra and Casselden....and you can see it pretty-well around the gaps from La Trobe and from on Little Lonsdale.

Nice pics by the way guys. IMO The glass is looking great. :okay:

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Muse, I think we all know Aussie Steve wants most buildings UC to be taller, so just let him be without bagging him out for once OK. :)

Nice pics btw, good to get a different angle on UW, the glass is very similar to SX and is kinda like Q1 as well (but a slightly better shade IMO).

I've been trying to think it reminds me of...Q1 (don't know about a "better shade" though - debatable).

Re A.S. - it's not like it's going to be a constant pre-occupation. I've let it go by a gazillion times. I think it's more funny than anything. BTW I think we would allllllll like the buildings to be taller however...

http://www.sayhey.co.uk/invboard/html/emoticons/closedeyes.gif

Pardon moi Aussie Steve. :okay:

It's more than just a filler.

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Shiny shot from this morning...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/uws01.jpg

great shots guys.
not far from topping out.In Drunkills pic, you can see the first setback on telsracorp which is lev37 or 150m high. This is height of UWS will reach,so only 2-3 more rises.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/drunkill/UW2.jpg

http://web.aanet.com.au/sirbugalugs/IMG_4583.JPG

http://web.aanet.com.au/sirbugalugs/IMG_4600.JPG

http://web.aanet.com.au/sirbugalugs/IMG_4612.JPG

http://web.aanet.com.au/sirbugalugs/IMG_4684.JPG

"no more gaps" tower:

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/6574/102496574ml1119580422.jpg

A few from today...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/uw2506_1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/uw2506_2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/uw2506_3.jpg

A few from today...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/uw2506_3.jpg

what are these blokes up to????

Am I right to assume that the core has topped out?

I think the core has lev32 in it, and its 34 in total, so 2 more?

http://img65.echo.cx/img65/5778/P6270909.jpg

http://img65.echo.cx/img65/9521/P6270910.jpg

^^^

Its hard to believe its nearly 500 feet tall ! It looks soo bloody short compared to Telstra and Casseldon Place. ( Its all about the location and whats around you i suppose )

cheers

lozza

Urban Workshop & friends last week - It Certainly Fills the Gap ! :)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/379Telstra_Cassledon_Place.JPG

great shot. the first pic where you can really see how it compares to neighbours. The first setback on telstra Corp is 500ft/152m, so it gives you idea its just about there! the corebox should be topped or 1 more?
cheers lozza

Next to Telstra & Casselden Place UW looks very short. :(

great shot. the first pic where you can really see how it compares to neighbours. The first setback on telstra Corp is 500ft/152m, so it gives you idea its just about there! the corebox should be topped or 1 more?
cheers lozza

Gday Cul

i would say that if it is going to be the height of the first setback on Telstra, it will have at least 4 more floors to go as it appears too short still. Its not tall, but its a nice filler skyscraper!

cheers

lozza

If it's going to be the height of the first setback on Telstra, it won't be that much shorter than Casselden.

Gday Cul

i would say that if it is going to be the height of the first setback on Telstra, it will have at least 4 more floors to go as it appears too short still. Its not tall, but its a nice filler skyscraper!

cheers

lozza
looks like only 1more rise to me? to core. but yes the floors have a couple more to go.
blabb- yes its goint to be 150m, and casseldon is 166m, so not much shorter.

http://web.aanet.com.au/nmharrison/north east.jpg

thanks grol, yeah just about there.

Thanks for that Grollo :okay: :okay:

In the above render, It still doesnt look anywhere the height of Telstra's First Setback

cheers

lozza

in the elevation grollo posted it DOESNT actually show telstras first set back.It shows its 2nd setback which faces south. Telstras 2nd setback is 166m. its 3rd is 182m and top 192m.The actul main roof of UWS is 140m 34th floor.
Just looking at your photo loz and grolls elevation, the core looks to be approx lev34 or 140m high. so another 10m to go.

heres ya go loz. is this clearer?
i think its pretty right.
looks like 5 more office levels to go
http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/7396/uwsprogress2ez.jpg

The main roof of Casseldon Place and the first setback on Telstra HQ are the same RL as the top roof of UW.

in the elevation grollo posted it DOESNT actually show telstras first set back.It shows its 2nd setback which faces south. Telstras 2nd setback is 166m. its 3rd is 182m and top 192m.The actul main roof of UWS is 140m 34th floor.
Just looking at your photo loz and grolls elevation, the core looks to be approx lev34 or 140m high. so another 10m to go.

Yeah, yr right CUL. I noticed this the other day when i drove past from the north and saw the first setback on Telstra.

cheers

lozza

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/uw200507.jpg

update
mot long before top out. will be next scraper in oz to top 150m.
http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/1705/uws4tt.jpg

The top of the plant room is actually 12m above the roof which is 138m above ground level.

Oh, goody...

Another great fat wad of concrete core to look at and go...blah..

Cheers,

Adam - sick of lazy architects

The top of the plant room is actually 12m above the roof which is 138m above ground level.
lol, i was 2m off. ill amend drawing.
cheers

If you want to see what an impact this little baby is having on the skyline, go to the Melbourne Museum...whoar...

You mean this angle Blabby. :)

http://web.aanet.com.au/sirbugalugs/21-07-2005%20tour/general/Picture%20016.jpg

well the state bureacrats are going to have a nice dose of morning sunshine aren't they!

weeee :eek:

nice pic. looks like corebox has reached telstras first setback which is 150m. so shes topped out.also floor plates look just about there.
nice gap filler.

Still think Cass' Pl looks like it belongs in Brisbane or Sydney.

Still think Cass' Pl looks like it belongs in Brisbane or Sydney.
Yeah it reminds me of 1 o'connel street, colour wise anyway... just not cylindrical

Couple of pics from the weekend...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/uws0730.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/uws0731.jpg

Great pics Mugley! Keep up all the hiking and super photo taking. :) I like this one, it's a great filler and adds colour to the otherwise "bleak" Melbourne.

I agree, Cass Pl looks more at home in Sydney. For some reason, I like UW more than SX1! It's leaner & cleaner!

^Yeah but it was built in Melbourne. Similarly the Rialto looks like it could have been built anywhere, it just happened to be built in Melbourne and I couldn't be happier.

I agree, Cass Pl looks more at home in Sydney. For some reason, I like UW more than SX1! It's leaner & cleaner!
how can you like a builing that has floorplates that look rusty?! UW doesn't look very clean at all!

pic by 2dky 2
at left shows UWS at full 150m height.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/Lovejesse/DSC_1012.jpg

how magic does 101 look in that photo? Just like a render.

how magic does 101 look in that photo? Just like a render.
And 120 too!

how can you like a builing that has floorplates that look rusty?! UW doesn't look very clean at all!
Yeah what's the deal with the plates being rusty, surely this wouldn't be safe using coroded building materials

Theres a special fireproof 'foam' (I can't remember the name) that covers the steel which is reapplied every dozen or so years.

^i thought the foam was white?

It is, I meant to say it wasn't on the exposed floor plates and columns yet.

^^so you mean the rusty colour is the steel? [used to concrete floorplates] :)

Yep. Thats the colour of steel which hasn't been galvanised. SX also uses this because it's cheaper.

Rust is only surface rust on the un-galvanised steel. It is not rust from steel sitting around for 10 years in a yard on the beach.

You mean asbestos? or some...more healthy fire retardant?

^Nah definitely not asbestos. One of the reasons the WTC collapsed was because the fire proofing hadn't been reapplied and had left the steel beams exposed.

^^i was going to use that as an example before. so steel floorplates are cheaper and faster for construction? i heard some where that during construction, WTC gained 3 floors a week at maximum or something. Eureka only gets like 1 floor per week at max.

Indeed, steel is much more easy to assemble, Also the way WTC was designed, it all interlocked, so construction of the facade was very simple, they could do a whole floor very quickly. E on the otherhand, has to wait for the cement to dry for a few days and stuff.
and i know they wouldn't use asbestos :p sarcasm.

That's because with steel construction everything comes prefabricated (especially the WTC) and just has to be slotted in place bloted and welded and they could keep going while the concrete pour was happening on the floors below. Steel also allows for a greater span as it has a better tensile strength than concrete. Thought you were being sarcastic Drunkill but it's hard to tell when it's written.

^so the WTC floorplates were acctually steel renforced concrete aye? stronger than concrete but not fireproof? or in other words, if the WTC floorplates were Eureka concrete, or 10mpa, would it've collapsed?

the trouble with the WTC was that the plane fuel melted the internal core all the way down to base, which weakened the entire structure. it was actually a perfect way to drop them. also the stuctural supports were external not internal.

^so the core was steel too eh?

Not so much, but with the WTC, so much of the support was in the exterior walls, and it was they rather than the core that were weakened due to large ammounts of jet fuel burning at high speed. There was reinforcement all through the building and the floor plates were botled to both the steel walls and the core, but it was the melting steel and not the core that bought the buildings down.

It was interestingly suggested that had the WTC been a conventional skyscraper such as Eureka et all, that it may have survived. As on a grid construction there is more reinforcement in all directions, and as you pointed out, concrete is less susceptable to fire than steel.

^Nah definitely not asbestos. One of the reasons the WTC collapsed was because the fire proofing hadn't been reapplied and had left the steel beams exposed.

I would argue that the reason that WTC collapsed was a bunch of cowards flew a couple of planes into them! :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

Well he said the fire proofing was ONE of the reasons. There's always other factors such as the cowards in planes as you mentioned....

Normal concrete isn't necessarily stronger than steel and vice versa. It depends on what forces they are put under. Basically steel is strong under tensile forces and concrete under compressive forces. However reinforced concrete utilises the strength of both materials but obviously concrete isn't as susceptible to heat as steel.

Shaft loves UW.

http://thehoddlegrid.net/projects/updates/cbd/uw/uw_1808051.jpg

...and after pole dancing, there was Urban Workshop! Cool angle from Bourke!

damn, I should have used that line, nice one ;)

there's a similar one of Southern Cross from Collins St, still waiting for someone not as lazy as me to take a pic of it ;)

I NOTICED TODAY WHILST DRIVING around town that the corebox has been removed ! yet another one topped out ey !

lozza :cheer:

the trouble with the WTC was that the plane fuel melted the internal core all the way down to base, which weakened the entire structure. it was actually a perfect way to drop them. also the stuctural supports were external not internal.

That not quite right; as I understand it the fire didn't have much impact below but the steel where the fire was, basically, buckled and broke (when I was watching it live on TV I recall seeing one of the towers going down with a lean on top) . So there was nothing holding up the top part of the building, which then rammed down on every floor below. The moving weight coming down was too much for the columns (which were designed to hold a certain static weight) on every floor below and they all buckled and collapsed one by one. It happened pretty quickly so it looked like it was one smooth motion.

Im only going on the report i saw on one of the dozen specials which aired since.
The fuel actually melted the lift core, which weakened the superstructure.

That not quite right; as I understand it the fire didn't have much impact below but the steel where the fire was, basically, buckled and broke (when I was watching it live on TV I recall seeing one of the towers going down with a lean on top) . So there was nothing holding up the top part of the building, which then rammed down on every floor below. The moving weight coming down was too much for the columns (which were designed to hold a certain static weight) on every floor below and they all buckled and collapsed one by one. It happened pretty quickly so it looked like it was one smooth motion.
aparently, they collapsed in 5 seconds... also, the fire was the cause of the collapse, as Cul said. Aeroplane fuel burns alot hotter than car fuel. and the explosion acctually forced huge flames all the way down, 78 floors down the elevator shaft and the people from one of the elevators down at the lobby came out on fire. All the windows at the lobby blew out with the flames force too! :eek2:

Im only going on the report i saw on one of the dozen specials which aired since.
The fuel actually melted the lift core, which weakened the superstructure.


That's my understanding too; the lift core was steel framed with some sort of fire rated cladding which was probably breeched by the plane and explosion when the planes hit.

The melting happened mostly around and above the impact floors which created the weak structure and holes for the tops of the building to ram down on the floors below.

The upper floors probably stayed relatively intact on the way down until the lower floors stopped compressing and the momentum/weight shattered the upper floor columns which were thinner than at the bottom of the building as they were not designed to take as heavy a load.

The one major difference b/w our construction methods and WTC is concrete. We use a plethora of it, both in the lift core and for floor support (built in beams). WTC relied on steel for it's structural integrity. The integrity of the steel was compromised and they fell down. Simple. The steel never so much melted but was heated. When you want to bend steel, what's the easiest way to making precise bends?????? Heat Baby. When you have 1000's of ton of building being supported by a reduced strength steel frame and massive heat is applied, frame collapse and building drop.

Don't be suprised to see this method of destruction used again, but this time commercially by building imploders. It was a perfect way to drop the two towers. It's a pity the weak cunts had to do it while the buildings were occupied.

Anyway, our buildings are much different. We use totally different methods. Cores are concrete, floor slabs are re-infoced and post-tensioned concrete with deep beams.

Isn't it cheaper also to go with the mostly steel construction like the WTC? Because they weren't just building the worlds tallest building when they started, they were building 2 of the world's tallest.

So as long as those building skyscrapers don't try and cut costs, in the unlikely occurence of another terrorist attack involving planes, we should have a better chance of surviving.

^Apparently there's alot of mafia involvement in the concrete industry over there, so developers have gone to steel to bypass it. I also notice alot of buildings here in London are steel framed.

Here in London, at least, concrete construction is very limited. In smaller scale stuff, where in Australia it would be precast, here it is all brick and block. Very old fashioned and slow. A QS from Brisbane told me he generally adds a third more construction time to his estimates, when compared to Australia. In larger scale it seems to be mostly steel framed.

Not sure what's cheaper though.

I think it's time to start a new thread called "Why the WTC Collapsed", I sometimes forget this is the UW thread. But I have only myself to blame for bringing the damn thing up in the first place. Lol. Oh and steel construction is cheaper.

^Apparently there's alot of mafia involvement in the concrete industry over there, so developers have gone to steel to bypass it. I also notice alot of buildings here in London are steel framed.

Here in London, at least, concrete construction is very limited. In smaller scale stuff, where in Australia it would be precast, here it is all brick and block. Very old fashioned and slow. A QS from Brisbane told me he generally adds a third more construction time to his estimates, when compared to Australia. In larger scale it seems to be mostly steel framed.

Not sure what's cheaper though.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Mafia involvement?????, how is that different to anywhere else????? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I smell a conspiricy theory....

I find it hard to believe that the Marfia (if indeed they do such things) could control the concrete supply for whole cities, especially one the size of New York. I think they built the WTC they way they did for 2 reasons, cost and speed. The speed thing especially. They started in 1966, demolished 160 smaller buildings, dug down 70feet to the bed rock and the first tower opened in 1970, the second in 1972. Now that's pretty rapid, and I know one of the factors that has kept Eureka and other skyscrapers from being built as quickly is that after a pour you have to let the concrete dry (duh), so I'm thinking that they went with a mostly steel structure to speed up the process.

In my opinion that's a more likely explanation than the Mafia. :2cents:

I've heard the Mafia issue from other reputable sources on doco etc since it happened. Apparently its a real issue in construction in the US...

The Mafia control the concrete the entire concrete industry all across the US? Source please.

:gossip:

The Mafia control the concrete the entire concrete industry all across the US? Source please.

:gossip:
Stick this in your pipe :)

City Tries Again to Set Up Manhattan Concrete Plant
By SELWYN RAAB
810 words
15 April 1996
18:35
The New York Times

c. 1996 New York Times Company

Ten years ago, in a novel plan to lower construction costs and damage the Mafia, the city began subsidizing a private concrete company in Manhattan. But the plan dissolved last year after the company, $4 million in debt and beset by managerial disputes, collapsed in bankruptcy.

Now, the Giuliani administration is reviving the idea. Vowing not to repeat the mistakes of previous administrations, it has begun advertising for a new company to open a plant on city-owned property and become the sole concrete supplier for all municipal construction projects in Manhattan.

City officials estimate that the deal would be worth at least $3 million a year in gross sales for the company that wins the contract.

Richard J. Schwartz, Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani's senior adviser, said that despite past problems, the administration was confident it could find a qualified contractor. ''There is no reason to give up on this project, because it is valid if executed properly with the appropriate operator,'' Mr. Schwartz said.

But Francis X. McArdle, the head of a major contractors' trade group in the city, said that the revised plan was doomed to become another economic corpse. Mr. McArdle, the managing director of the General Contractors Association of New York, said that no qualified contractor would open a concrete plant in Manhattan because no site there is large enough to store supplies and provide parking for a fleet of huge concrete-delivery trucks.

''I do not believe the city will find an experienced operator who will be able to run a competitive full-service plant in Manhattan,'' Mr. McArdle said.

Since there are no concrete manufacturers in Manhattan, concrete is brought in by trucks, mainly from plants in Brooklyn and Queens.

In the 1980's, evidence that Mafia families controlled the city's multimillion-dollar concrete industry was produced at Federal trials, including several cases handled by Mr. Giuliani when he was the United States Attorney in Manhattan.

Acting on the disclosures, the administration of Mayor Edward I. Koch conceived the idea for a city-sponsored concrete plant as a way to prevent mob-run companies from rigging bids and inflating municipal construction costs.

In 1986, a new company, the West 57th Street Concrete Corporation, was awarded the first contract. It built a plant on a rent-free three-acre site at West 57th Street and the Hudson River. The key to the deal was the company's exclusive right for five years to provide concrete at fixed prices for all city projects in Manhattan. In 1991, the administration of Mayor David N. Dinkins renewed the contract through 1996.

Last May, the plant closed when the city bought the bankrupt company's equipment for $152,000 and began allowing contractors on municipal jobs in Manhattan to buy their concrete from any supplier they wanted, just as they had done before 1986.

For more than a year before its closing, the bankrupt company, under a court-appointed trustee, was still operating. But instead of producing concrete, it hired other companies to supply city contractors.

''We were very unsatisfied with the arrangement,'' Mr. Schwartz said, ''because the operator was simply collecting a middleman's fee for subcontracting to companies that he was supposed to be competing with.''

City officials said the West 57th Street company flopped because it had been mismanaged and its original owners had no experience in concrete production.

Former executives of the company claimed that the business was undermined by a private construction slump in the last decade that made the plant unprofitable. They said that city contracts alone could not support the company.

In advertisements that began on Friday in newspapers and trade journals, the city announced that concrete producers could obtain details from the Mayor's Office of Construction about competing for the contract. Mr. Schwartz said that the city would turn over the West 57th Street site or another waterfront area for the proposed plant.

The plant must be located on the East River or Hudson River because barges are the most inexpensive method of transporting the sand, gravel, cement and other materials needed to manufacture concrete.

Mr. Schwartz said the new contract would also allow the company to obtain extra revenue by supplying private construction needs in the city. Companies that bid for the contract will have to show city investigators that they have no mob ties or questionable backgrounds.

Mr. McArdle of the contractors' association said that by giving one company an exclusive right to municipal contracts, the city was creating a monopoly that might raise prices instead of lowering them. ''They are trying to resuscitate an impractical plan that died of its own accord and will probably meet the same fate again,'' he said.

04:35 EST April 15, 1996

:rofl:

Thanks, that was great! It seems that at least in New York it's benificial to keep concrete use to a minimum. Good thing we don't have troubles like that in Melbourne....

There are plenty of articles like this, i think its widely known in the US that skysrcapers in Chicago and NY are primarily steel based because of the expense of concrete which is controlled by the mob....


COURT COP PLEADS GUILTY IN $2M STOCK SWINDLE
Laura Italiano
268 words
30 November 1999
New York Post
18
English
(c) 1999 N.Y.P. Holdings, Inc. All rights reserved.

A Manhattan court officer admitted yesterday to collaborating with a reputed Mafia "concrete king" and snookering fellow officers into investing in a bankrupt Florida recycling plant.

With his guilty plea, former Sgt. Richard Furman -- who spent 20 years guarding crooks and suspects as they were processed through Manhattan Supreme Court -- officially joined ranks with his former charges, facing up to a year in jail when sentenced Jan. 21.

Furman, 58, of Queens, admitted helping to rook hundreds of gullible "investors" across the country of more than $2 million. Furman made only $50,000 in the scheme, prosecutors said.

The victims bought stock in the Florida-based Inorganic Recycling Corp., and had been told to expect an immediate windfall of three to 12 times their initial investment.

Instead, the company went bust.

Among Furman's victims were 50 fellow court employees -- who lost a total of $400,000. One court officer alone lost $60,000, Manhattan prosecutors said.

They will get money back through restitution payments made by other defendants in the scheme.

Furman met the scheme's alleged mastermind, fugitive Genovese family mobster Edward "Biff" Halloran, back in 1986, prosecutors said. At the time, Furman was actually guarding Halloran, who was convicted in a $9.2-billion check-kiting scheme.

Halloran, whose last known address was in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., has also been accused of working with mobsters to fix concrete prices on Manhattan construction projects.

Halloran allegedly hatched the investment scheme with his wife, Michele Caridi, 37, who has already pleaded guilty and is awaiting sentencing.

:rofl:

Thanks, that was great! It seems that at least in New York it's benificial to keep concrete use to a minimum. Good thing we don't have troubles like that in Melbourne....

Yah our mob seems only interested in killing each other....pretty good outcome for us i'd say....

Yah our mob seems only interested in killing each other....pretty good outcome for us i'd say....

True, they can keep doing that as much as they like, as long as they don't start messing with our concrete and by chain reaction, skyscrapers.

:guns1:

In the States the mob also run the toothfairy business. South Park says so. :lol:

Hello!!!!!

Can we PLEASE get back on topic?

Apologies please Saithkar (thanks wowsim) ;)

Now back on UW...

Hello!!!!!

Can we PLEASE get back on topic?

Hey settle down guy. :cheers: :)

Apologies please Saithkar (thanks wowsim) ;)

Now back on UW...

What are you on about?

Apologise for discussing an issue as it was bought up by others?

I'll apologise for bringing up the WTC in the first place, I never knew it would result in this. Lol. Oh and Urban Workshop's lookin' mighty fine.

it's not really, it's facade is dismal IMO :lol:

What are you on about?

Apologise for discussing an issue as it was bought up by others?

I brought up the mafia connection - you dissed it, saying another conspiracy theory - wowsim delivered the goods to back it up. Thats all. Don't worry about it.

But back on UW, I neither love it or hate it. Its better than Casseldon place though.

The only thing, I know Melbourne needs more density, but it seems a little bit of a wasted opportunity to squeeze this one between two large neighbours. Its kind of like NYC density, where even the denser parts of the CBD like the east end talls have more spacing. The fact that it's slightly smaller than the neighbours also diminishes it IMO, whereas it could make quite an impact if it was in another part of the city like the west end.

Haven't really followed its progress though and this aspect of the development has probably been discussed to death I suppose :)

it's not really, it's facade is dismal IMO :lol:
i agree (as usual)! :hahano:

Hmm its only a medium height gap filler in a low profile spot.... at worst you can say its adequate.... Lets put it this way, in 30 years its not going to be an embarrassing blight on the skyline.

it's not really, it's facade is dismal IMO :lol:I'm disapointed it's not turning out like this:
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/673/urbanworkshop6hw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That would have been so cool. :)

Yes, I have the original brouchres they were handing out, and it's looking significantly less green than promised....

bit of navy glass up the core - bonus!
http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/uw 200509.jpg

Nice! Will be much more of a looker with the core clad in that :D

Stu

I'm disapointed it's not turning out like this:
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/673/urbanworkshop6hw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That would have been so cool. :)

I'm annoyed that I'm going to have to redraw it!

Cheers,

Adam

This one is for tayser, that SX Office *was* for Dan. You'll come around taysie.

It's a smart looking mid-riser. :okay: Loving that first pic silvermb :)

heres a recent long shot by JOED
you can see the plantroom being finished off.

http://homepage.mac.com/jbadcock/Melbourne/misc/P1000642.jpg

The east-end is 100 times better off with these 3 new buildings (4 if you including 11E). It is simply amazing to compare the likes of the Collins Towers with the new, sheek and shiny office towers. E&Y is the best new scraper in Melbourne. Pictures do not do it justice.

The glass is actually sensational in the flesh, so to speak.

Capital Gain
1 October 2005

Let's workshop it

It seems a dark horse wearing the colours of Industry Superannuation Property Trust may have ridden in to steal one of the CBD's most hotly contested commercial tenants this week.

Has the telco giant Ericsson Australia finally found a new home at ISPT's Urban Workshop? That's the speculation.

Ericsson's 14,000-square-metre requirement attracted Melbourne's development big guns as the Swede searched for new office space ahead of the March 2007 expiry of its tenancy at the newly spruced Melbourne Central office tower.

The Macquarie Bank and R Corporation joint-venture was hoping to snare Ericsson for its Botanicca Park site in Burnley.

Ian Gandel, the son of billionaire John Gandel, was also seen to be in the hunt with his $90 million campus-style Docklands office complex, 360 Degrees.

Also joining the party was investment banking group Babcock & Brown with office space at its 17.74-hectare Ascot Vale site.

But all have been outdone, according to a source close to the deal, by ISPT, with a 10,000-square-metre offer at its Urban Workshop development.

Both ISPT and Ericsson deny a deal has been done, with a spokeswoman for the company believing any outcome to be six weeks away.

However, our source stands by his information, adding that a rate of $300 a square metre has been agreed.

The deal, if true, is slightly smaller than the original requirement of 14,000 square metres.

In its heyday Ericsson occupied a mighty 16,000 square metres at Melbourne Central before scaling down to its current 8000 square metres following the closure of its research and development division, AsiaPacificLab, in 2002, and various sub-leasings.

Ericsson was said to be looking to centralise its CBD and Broadmeadows staff under the one roof.

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if the speculation is confirmed, surely that would be the smaller building tucking itself around Casselden?!?

the main building is only 55,000 and Vic.Gov has 50,000 right?

ehhh Urban's just a gap filler although the podium is probably the best i've seen, hwt looks like a big blob of shit from this angle. much better from say richmond

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/uw200510.jpg

Why is it that SX is almost always obscured from every conceivable angle?

it's a good thing! MeLbourne needs more density!! :D

Look how insignificant UW looks:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~troneast/uw/100_0813.JPG

Yeah, it's insignificant compared to nothing...

^I'll take it over nothing anyday. C'mon it's not that bad.

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL343/2004633/4289541/115650220.jpg

that end of Lonsdale St isn't doing too bad in the density stakes eh.

^^^^^^

Hey Tays, what's the building accross the road of UW that's going up. You can just see the top of the core and the small black crane.

pikey, see Projects: CBD East End (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=52243&page=15&pp=20)

i seem to have underestimated this tower, thought it was the same height as next door. 29 levels with 13 still to be added

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/lmr200509.jpg

Back to Urban Workshop.....I hear the podium is awesome - best bit of the whole building. Anyone have any pics of it?

Just a relatively small render.

http://www.archmedia.com.au/resources/aa/2003/03/images/050201.jpg

Thanks for that Archibomber! I actually meant photos, though..........

OK. The base is just becoming clearly visible @ street level!!

...

Nothing too flash so far, although the heritage buildings behind the signage should help break up the tedium at ground level.

http://static.flickr.com/33/59863373_ecb45d9868_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/30/59863371_14670a3132_o.jpg

The podium is looking fantastic! The openable window louvers are like those found at Transport @ Fed Sq. Great stuff!

went past today, can't photograph much inside the podium yet.

cant wait to see the transparent swimming pool, i reckon when its open to the public, a walk through is a must to fully appreciate the podium. just as well; the towers a dud

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/uw200511.jpg

^uber l337 use of glass n' concrete

any recent shots of this one guys?

Any recent shots of this one guys?Yeah, I wanna see some recent shots too!

I'd like to see some recent shots of anything........... :sleepy:

I can take some next week.

Thanks

wrong thread hehe

Recent shots :)

http://static.flickr.com/18/69964680_ed19820842_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/34/69964679_5da82130b9_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/18/69964678_2193d06d1f_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/15/69964677_537686617d_o.jpg

Thanks Mugs! Great as always.

I LOVE the complex podium of this building and I actually think the tower is prety classy. Sometimes less is more. Bluestone walls look great.

also thanks mugs. looks just about done. not a bad bldg for a "gap filler".
cheers

http://web.aanet.com.au/nmharrison/07-12-2005/ne%20density%202%20web.jpg

Recent shots :)LOL

Cheers guys.

would you like concrete with that? reminds me of AWB's exposed core...... that's now covered yer?

bummer they haven't as yet snared a precomm. for the smaller tower, that sort of streetscape to spring st along lt lonsdale would be awesome

plenty of purple but still haven't spotted the transparent swimming pool, difficult for photos to fully portray the layout of it all but nothing's open yet otherwise i would have snapped off 20

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/uw20051220.jpg

Absolutely LOVE the podium on this one!
The amount of interest at street more than compensates for the rather conventional look of the main tower.
Great shots!

Another purple shot...

http://static.flickr.com/6/77510925_9b32b0e2c7_o.jpg

Trying to redraw this heap for SSP.

Can't work it out. Give up.

Someone furnish me with info or my rubbish diagram remains.

Or do it yourself! :)

Cheers,

Adam

Shot of UW and Landmark taken from Meyers Place.

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/7534/uwlandmark3wz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And this sign for some apartment development.

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/84/odessaapts4du.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I need pics/sketches/oil paintings/caveman impressions of this building to complete a diagram for SSP.

It doesn't seem to fit into the heights I've been given.

All I had was my mobile for pics today and it's rubbish!

Any and all appreciated.

Cheers,

Adam

adam, height to roof is approx 138m
i think its 75m wide.
there are 2 plants on roof. the large plantroom reaches 144m and the small LMR takes it to 150m.
the podium is 14m high i think.
front on render
http://www.hassell.com.au/siteImageStore/Urban-Workshop-01.jpg

side view
http://web.aanet.com.au/nmharrison/north%20east.jpg

Thanks cul!

Am going to have to make the roof a little higher as it looks just plain dumb with all that junk on top.

When I was looking at it yesterday, the junk on top (its official name) did not appear to take up as much height as when I draw it to those heights.

Thumbs up, mate!

Cheers,

Adam

no worries,.its a pity we have to put that "junk" up there on roofs. aka plantrooms/LMRs BMUs ect. but we have to, so the skyscraper can function properly. Sometimes architects are smart and they hide them behind crowns or "gold bars" .doesnt have to be ugly.or might enclose LMR in the highest floor.or a glass fin.lol
i dont mind UWS, i just wish it wasnt a "gap filler". It deserves to be facing the Yarra or over near East melb park .

It might have been already mentioned, but what is happening to the stark western side of the building? The concrete is unfinished, the aircon vents (?) remain open and some windows are covered with wood.

I look at it every day at work (no prizes who I work for), and it's giving me the sh.... Actually, I've also lost a decent view of the intersection of Victoria Pde & Nicholson which was a prize spot for terrible driving and near misses.

So it's a "single" edged sword for me then.

These views don't float your boat eh? :)

http://web.aanet.com.au/sirbugalugs/UW/pics%20141_1.jpg

http://web.aanet.com.au/sirbugalugs/UW/pics%20142_1.jpg

Yeah what is up with the side? It's all Patches O'Hoolihan, some glass, some concrete, etc... is it all supposed to be clad?

Stu

I wouldn't think so. very BHP-B

Was there a mortar shell attack in Melbourne recently that I am unaware of?

This building is IMPOSSIBLE to draw!

Cheers,

Adam

This building is IMPOSSIBLE to draw!
If it doesn't kill you, it can only make you stronger!
Keep trying. I for one appreciate all your diagrams. :)

Do the easiet view which is that elevation looking north on Lonsdale, it's basically just a bunch of rectangles.

Nice filler:

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/8750/102958750ml1138768417.jpg

Yes, its a nice filler, pity about those CE crap in the fore ground!

Here's the bare bones sketch given cul's dimensions. Notice how the crap on top seems too much.

This was just for dimensions. I threw in the colours in 10 seconds.

http://www.users.bigpond.com/stclair2/URBANSKETCH.bmp

Cheers,

Adam

As previously talked about - the western side is FINALLY being finished. The first of the A/C grates have been installed this week. It looks like the building guards are now 24hour on the ground floor. The front stone facia has been set yesterday. Can't be more than a few weeks until we get a move in....

Any clues who the final line up is?

wouldnt mind someone getting a few pics inside the podium before its archived?

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/uw200603.jpg

Funky! I like it. Alot!

Looks cool, i'd rock if those chequred vents were glass panels, showing the lifts go up and down :p

The podium saves this building, such a pity it looks so ordinary from a distance. :sleepy:

The treatment of the core is baffling. It should have been predominantly clad in glass and Alucobond.

Nice..indicative of increasingly street-level focused major projects around town...but seriously now, are we not all over curtainwalls? Yes, (blabby and others) bleak is good, but come on! I like this building but I'm hoping that the next batch of commercial talls in Melbourne will re-introduce some solid articulation.

Blue

Pics from today. After uploading these I've just realised that the first three are virtual clones of smb's photos!

http://static.flickr.com/54/114018995_0f6a9032e6_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/39/114018993_f1aaba30ed_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/42/114018992_ce489d92da_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/54/114018991_c1a4d7a66b_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/38/114018990_cb8e15466f_o.jpg

UW has turned out so awesome.

home and hosed, any history behind madame brussells?
http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/uw200604.jpg

From infamy to street cred, Madame is still marvellous

By Gabriella Coslovich
April 16, 2006
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/from-infamy-to-street-cred-madame-is-still-marvellous/2006/04/15/1144521546968.html

FIRST, recalcitrant rockers AC/DC were given the societal stamp of approval and had a city lane named after them. Now a notorious Melbourne madam has been immortalised by a new city bar in Bourke Street and a return lane off Lonsdale Street.

By sheer coincidence, the two new sites have both taken the name of Madame Brussels, one of city's best-known brothel owners, who in the Marvellous Melbourne era ran a refined establishment at the top of Lonsdale Street, supposedly frequented by magistrates, police, parliamentarians and upper-crust gents, some of whom lost their careers after being found in compromising circumstances.

In deference to that canny 19th-century businesswoman, Vernon Chalker, co-owner of such hip Melbourne establishments as the Gin Palace, has opened the Madame Brussels bar at 59 Bourke Street. A pink sign at street level written in lavish copperplate encourages folk to take a lift to the "rather fancy terrace and public house" on the third floor. Dogs are also welcome.

Chalker stumbled on the colourful history of Madame Brussels while surfing the web in search of a suitably irreverent name for his new bar.

"I Googled Melbourne and brothels, thinking I might pick up something really interesting. What I found was more than really interesting," he said.

Unbeknown to Chalker, a new lane in nearby Lonsdale Street had also just been christened in Madame's honour. The new Urban Workshop building at 50 Lonsdale, which houses the Department of Human Services, includes laneways that were lost to the city when titles were consolidated in the 1950s. Architects for the project — John Wardle Architects, Hassell and NH Architecture — have returned the lanes to pedestrian walkways through the building's foyer, including the yet-to-be-completed Madame Brussels Lane. It's rather ironic that an infamous brothel madame is being celebrated at the Department of Human Services. But then, the homage is perhaps more fitting than it first appears — Madame Brussels was also providing human services of sorts.

In the late 19th century the area bounded by Little Lonsdale, Spring, Lonsdale and Exhibition streets was the site of brothels, opium dens and rowdy pubs. As such, it was the target of educators and moral crusaders. As the high-profile representative of a despised industry, Madame Brussels attracted particular vitriol. No fewer than eight brothels in the area were controlled by her at some stage, and most were high-class.

Rumour has it that a parliamentary mace that disappeared in 1892 found its way to Madame Brussels' most famous and refined brothel at 32-34 Lonsdale Street, where members reportedly used it for unparliamentary activities.

By all accounts, Madame Brussels cut a fine, if dowdy, figure. Her real name was Caroline Hodgson and, as historian John Leckey wrote in his essay Making Melbourne Marvellous: "She was always well-dressed, drove in a smart carriage, and educated her daughter at a respectable private school while they resided at 39 Beaconsfield Parade, St Kilda."

The madam was also ahead of her times. She did a Demi Moore back in 1895, marrying a 27-year-old engineer and fellow German, Jacob Phol (her second husband), at the sophisticated age of 44. Alas, the marriage ended as badly as her first — the couple divorced, with Phol, the cad, remarking that "she was too old for me".

home and hosed, any history behind madame brussells?

This part of the city was known as "Little Lon", where there once were opium dens, brothels and places of disrepute. Madame Brussels was a prominent brothel madam.

More info here: http://www.museum.vic.gov.au/littlelons/brothel1.html

Edit: Damn, too slow :(

Rumour has it that a parliamentary mace that disappeared in 1892 found its way to Madame Brussels' most famous and refined brothel at 32-34 Lonsdale Street, where members reportedly used it for unparliamentary activities.

:hahaha:

That is so cool! Go Madame!

To Madame Brussels and her distinguished contribution to Melbourne life!

:cheers:

thanks for the update.

This part of the city was known as "Little Lon", where there once were opium dens, brothels and places of disrepute. Madame Brussels was a prominent brothel madam.

More info here: http://www.museum.vic.gov.au/littlelons/brothel1.html

Edit: Damn, too slow :(
There has to be a novel or even a movie about that era in Melbourne just waiting to be written.
Must have been very interesting times indeed!

The term "Little Lon" came from a work by C J Dennis, "The Sentimental Bloke" which was made into a movie during the silent era.

There has to be a novel or even a movie about that era in Melbourne just waiting to be written.
Must have been very interesting times indeed!

http://www.thecollectormm.com/private/HansomCab.jpg

The Mystery of a Hansom Cab

Fergus Hume
Text Publishing
First published in 1886

In print

Read all about it!
The Mystery of a Hansom cab is the original Australian blockbuster and international best-selling crime novel. First published in 1886, this vivid and brilliantly plotted murder thriller, set in the charming and deadly streets of marvelous Melbourne, has sold hundreds of thousands of copies around the world.

Over one hundred years later, people still consider this a masterpiece in crime fiction and better yet, it’s based in the streets of Marvellous Melbourne.
I must add that it has dated somewhat though.

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And it describes scenes in Little Lonsdale Street in detail! :)

Enough about the madames for now...

Good to see UW getting some coverage on ABC tonight. Looks like the winds in Melbourne took their toll on one of the windows today. The orange cables (what are they for anyway?) certainly get whipped around, but it must have hit at a decent force to break the glass.

I spent about 10 minutes after work watching the MFB guy hanging off the side of the building with gaffer tape! I don't think I want that job.

Very funky design... however.. can they build this little taller ..
those two bigger neighbours seem swallow it ...

say 180m or so.. will be nice and sexier...

Bit late for that, it's pretty much done. I don't think it would have been better higher... I would rather the focus be kept on Telstra and Casseldon because they are both superior designs IMHO.

Stu

yeah i would have preferred this building to be around the 30m mark :P