Holy Cow!.. cow holy.. holy cow...

http://img161.exs.cx/img161/4712/tartumntbeuutiful7xp.jpg

CHeck out Tartu mnt 15, the house in front, and the scraper in the back - which is also planned, the buildings on the right is Union bank and the little building on it

beeutiful

Wow, that`s really awesome. I wish that a lot of Tallinn streets would be with such design.

Are the investors known already? Or its just a plan?

I understand it's a public project financed by the city. And it is a final project, going U/C this year, summer or something? I didn't read the article very carefully.

sten, yes, but he meant the black tower in the back!

Don't be too optimistic about the two high-rise buildings, but the reconstruction of the first phase of Tartu Road will begin in May or so and the second as soon as the city has concluded agreements with proprietors to demolish the buildings that stay on the way. I think that the reconstruction will bring along rapid development on the axis Downtown-Airport.

hmm, well the one in the back is pretty misterious, but the first one i.e Tartu mnt 15 should go Uc pretty soon, shouldnt it?

Yeah, I'd like to know more about the scraper in the back, i didn't know it was even planned. Looks tall, taller than Tartu mnt. 15?

skyline few weeks ago
http://www.zone.ee/friiklus/pildid/26marts/1.jpg

Obstacle, i dont think it is taller, its 30 floors by the knowledge i have atm, but m per floor can differ, it looks tall though

yeah tartu mnt 15 is waiting for approval but the tower in the back, i think it should be tartu mnt 25, is only a vision... i'm quite sure there will be a highrise but 30 floors might be too optimistic ;)

Tartu mnt 15 has approval jarmo, and tartu mnt 25 is a stale proposal waiting for approval.. 30 floors is the set floor count for that highrise

skyline few weeks ago
http://www.zone.ee/friiklus/pildid/26marts/1.jpg

Good pic! BTW for some Tallinn pics check out http://www.tallinn.info/

Some of the pics are outdated but many of them are quite impressive! :)

1. Here`s the plan of new golf complex(23 km away from Tallinn). There will be also 122 private houses. It`ll be completed in May.
http://www.egcc.ee/egcc/images/stories/PILDID/kaart_suur.png
2. And some new residential buildings in Kristiine city part(U/C).
http://kotkapoja.graham.ee/public/files/kotkapoja_s.jpg

sander - Do you know where in Kristiine this construction is taking place?

Apparently the crime rates in Mustamäe are the highest it Tallinn. I spent a month in Tallinn this summer (one week in Lasnamäe and three in Mustamäe) and Mustamäe didn't seem as bad as Lasnamäe except for the bums hanging around the place drinking beer and marking their territory with feces.

Picture from postimees.ee
http://www.postimees.ee/270504/gfx/536540b505d55cab7.jpg

BTW it's a good pic :)

@Dysfunctional: http://kotkapoja.graham.ee/public/files/kotkapoja_kaart_s.gif
Quite near to the A Le Coq Arena and Kristiine shopping centre.

sander - Hehe :) That's quite cool because I myself used to live around there.
Actually my house is right under where it says "Tulika tn" (the southeastern one saying that). It's the house in the middle of the three.

I'll be sure to check out the place next time I'm in town :)

http://www.city24.ee/MEDIA/PICTURE/PICTURE_261461.jpeg

seems like finally this building (NEXT TO the new and ultra cool Foorum building uc next to it) will go under the knife. IT wasnt mentioned in the article exactly when it will go under renovation only that in APRIL! I wouldnt even like to call it renovation, since the building will get 3 yes 3 floors added! It will look absutely classy

http://www.city24.ee/MEDIA/PICTURE/PICTURE_261461.jpeg

seems like finally this building (NEXT TO the new and ultra cool Foorum building uc next to it) will go under the knife. IT wasnt mentioned in the article exactly when it will go under renovation only that in APRIL! I wouldnt even like to call it renovation, since the building will get 3 yes 3 floors added! It will look absutely classy

Personally I like this building, it has a certain charm to it. I can't quite understand why you want it to go, altough I must admit that three floors on it sounds like a good idea. The commies sure knew how to build a stable structure :) Any info on how it will look?

well, it is UGLY and brutal ;) The new building will be glassy and charming and have three towers on it, i had renders some time ago, but it seems they have been removed from the site, mby some other estonians have the renders ... it will look great!

well, it is UGLY and brutal ;) The new building will be glassy and charming and have three towers on it, i had renders some time ago, but it seems they have been removed from the site, mby some other estonians have the renders ... it will look great!

But you've got to admit that it has a certain charm to it :cheers: OOH! Towers! Yees wee likee towers, don't we? My preciousssss... :) Any idea what keywords to use if I want some renders?

From my old thread.
http://img33.exs.cx/img33/9219/3299.jpg
http://img33.exs.cx/img33/6462/3301.jpg
http://img33.exs.cx/img33/3738/3302.jpg
And I am glad that they`ll reconstruct it, Tallinn`s city will become more modern and I hope that in the future also something will be done with ugly commieblocks in the city centre ;).

thanks for the renders!
Indeed the city is changing, just think of the changes ahead in 2005-2006, freedom square, rotermanni area, harbour area, oh, speaking about the devil, it seems there is something uc near Admiraliteedi basin!

http://img33.exs.cx/img33/6462/3301.jpg
And I am glad that they`ll reconstruct it, Tallinn`s city will become more modern and I hope that in the future also something will be done with ugly commieblocks in the city centre ;).

Wow, it looks great! :cheers: Not a lot of tower there but I like the design. It looks something like Tallink Hotel, but not as flashy tough. :)

But still I think it's important to preserve some of the buildings from the Soviet occupation. Not as a reminder but as a heritage. Of course the building in question is an "ugly" one and is out of the question now.
The ones I really like are the brown ones just up the street, the blocks there remind me of the "old" Tallinn.

At least I hope that the cousin of the orange one, Bluey, will stick. :) (It's to the right in this pic)

BTW sander, which commieblocks are you refering to?

yea, i hope the 'blue cousin' will stay as well... it's very nicely restaured.


i know, i'm not sander but imo the most disturbing commie in our downtown is the 12(?) storey brownish building right next to kaubamaja. you can even see it in the skyline pics made from the old town, it totally ruins the whole view... its architect is actually quite well-known, therefore i doubt it will ever be demolished but let's hope someday someone will renovate it! i'll post a pic of it later...

The modern building sander shows 3 times in his last post is quite a charmer! :cool: I just wish they had made the bands & towers a bit wider & higher! :okay: Is this building going to be in downtown? Near downtown?

yes Whose homepage its in the downtown next to viru centre next to the most modern street ;)

@Jarmo indeed, that is 11 storeys or 12 i dont remember, it sure is ugly and quite high, i also wish they will restore it and maybe even make its height bigger that would be cool ;)

...will be done with ugly commieblocks in the city centre
@Dysfunctional: I just wanted to say generally that in some places there are ugly commieblocks in the city centre and built for example in the middle of wooden building district. In some places Tallinn downtown just looks chaotical & ugly and without "certain style".

Jarmo - Yes, I know which one you are referring to. I like the building but I agree that it should be renovated since it looks a bit shabby.
Here's a pic:
http://www.tallinn.info/photo/0016.jpg

sander - I'm having a hard time to picture any certain place except for one; behind the Raddison SAS hotel there's a commieblock house all alone. That one doesn't fit but that's all I can think of right now. Some pics would be really good :)

i dont think there is a commieblock house behind radisson.. there are very nice houses behind radisson ;) but south of Maakri district there are 6-7 commies... :(

i dont think there is a commieblock house behind radisson.. there are very nice houses behind radisson ;) but south of Maakri district there are 6-7 commies... :(

I'm positive there is a commie behind Radisson, since I saw it in a picture and didn't recognize it. I decided to check it out and did so when I was in Tallinn, I reckon, two months ago. It didn't look like a standard commie, but it was a commie. As you can see some of the roof is flat, that's what got my attention.
After a long shearch i found this pic in the Tallinn development thread posted by you:
http://img66.exs.cx/img66/6890/muahfunny.jpg
It's the grey building crossed by the line drawn to Olümpia.

well, its a mild commie ;) the real "badies" are in the upper left corner :P but im sure they WILL be renovated as the city progresses southwards ;)

well, its a mild commie ;) the real "badies" are in the upper left corner :P but im sure they WILL be renovated as the city progresses southwards ;)

Hm, since I'm a commieblock lover, I like commieblocks. Altough I understand that they have no place in the city center.
What bothers me more are those small "shacks", like the small, green one beside the low part of the Radisson, also crossed by the Olümpia line.
I remember it being really(!) worn down and with a busted Volvo in front of it. What about tearing some of them down to make room for skyscrapers?

hehehehhe i love that green wooden building with the volvo next to it! :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Antipaatia/PICT1346.jpg



(:

Dysfunctinal, dont worry that pic is real old, most of those shacks have been torn down, the ones lining maakri str have remained ;)

http://www.postimees.ee/270504/gfx/536540b505d55cab7.jpg

Even the old castles look much more modern than the commies despite they are much older.

Even the old castles look much more modern than the commies despite they are much older.

Well, commies are commies and the tourists don't exactly come to Tallinn to see the commieblocks. :tongue3: Except for me and maybe some other strange people :)

Does anyone know what this is?
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/cx/?id=101196
Seems kinda nice :)

thats the same thing the upper render of a box next to Olümpia is about ;)
http://img66.exs.cx/img66/6890/muahfunny.jpg

thats the same thing the upper render of a box next to Olümpia is about ;)
http://img66.exs.cx/img66/6890/muahfunny.jpg

I see. Thank you :)

ALL THE HIGHRISE PROJECT AND CONSTRUCTION I KNOW OF
http://img172.exs.cx/img172/1633/tallinnmap3qj.jpg
Tornimäe twins: 107m(28fl) and 112m(30fl)
Osten tor: 15 floors
Cityresidence 12fl
Fahle
Approved
Tartu mnt 15 35FL, 125 to top floor, 145 to spire
Juhkentali st(plot across from Olümpia):
27 Fl 114m from sealevel
13FL
15 floor Böcler house
Viru 2 17 floors
Expected
Tartu mnt 17
40 floors
filed in application to start detailplanning
Developer: OÜ Viis Veeringut
they filed in the application 2 years ago!(now say that things go quick only in finland..)
Tartu mnt 25, 25a
30 floors
filed in application to start detailplanning
developer: Brennon OÜ
by the developers notes it should be 30 storeys, polufunctional, business spaces, apartments and parking
Maakri 19/21
30 floors
detail planning started
developer: AS Logoner
its between twins and radisson, no current plans on building
Maakri 34
19 floors
detailplanning started:
developer: E.L.L Kinnisvara
would contain offices, apartments the works
Maakri 19/Lennuki 22 ja 24
40 floors
filed in application to start detailplanning
developer: Concordia advokaadibüroo
Architect should be Raivo Puusepp(woo, wait for something great, Union bank is one of his works)
Maakri 28 ja 30
24 floors
detailplanning started
developer: Karen Ter-Ovanesjan
by the plan it would contain offices, apartments, and a garage, on the garage a green garden is planned


*NEW INFORMATION*
I found new plans for The "Eesti rahvusringhäälingu hoone" the project is from 2005, ill get pic tommorrow
It seems quite high on the pic and i like the design quite alot too, heres a map, the dot isnt in the correct place, the building is situated on the white area above it.
---
and a plan of 2 highrises unknown to me beofre, i dont know their situation:
http://www.kpme.ee/est/tood/planeeringud/liivalaia_2.jpg
location, the nr 33 is Olümpia Hotel
http://kaardid.regio.ee/map.phtml?wmtver%3D1.0.0%26user%3Dtlnlv%26request%3Dmap%26scale%3Don%26markers%3D1%21Kaupmehe+19+tallinn%26srs%3DEst92%26bbox%3D542598%2C6588069%2C543078%2C6588376%26width%3D555%26height%3D356%26format%3Dgif
---
not a new highrise, but i havent seen this pic before, its the Liivalaia - Juhkentali highrise, a cut of the floorplan. The building on the left is Olümpia
http://img176.echo.cx/img176/3618/vh6kp.jpg

Well, commies are commies and the tourists don't exactly come to Tallinn to see the commieblocks. :tongue3: Except for me and maybe some other strange people :)

And remodelers :yes:

And remodelers :yes:
Actually, the commies are remodeled by estonian companies. But, yes, i get the joke :)

ch1le - Great piece of work there! :cheers:

GUYS, check this out, this is the video for Roterman area ! remember, these are the new buildings, the old buildings will also give a out of this world urban feel... Enjoy... this video is SO WORTH THE WAIT TO DL! Im telling you, the guys from Architecturebureau KOSMOS are out of this world. they are great! 3 thumbs up.. Enjoy

http://www.kosmoses.ee/kosmosroterman.avi

Very neat :eek2:

Oh, that video and district is freakin` awesome!

Oh yes it is!
Btw, i also found a video of Viru väljak (or viru plats - you know the place what has trams running through and is very close to viru street - the nasty intersection between Old town and City centre) well. they made a WICKED plan what to do with it... i think its pure gold:
www.kosmoses.ee/kosmosviru.avi

/\ That video is also so worth the wait ;)

and for the curious mind... heres the link for the architecturebureau responsible for it... their site is very hard to navigate.. i strongly urge you guys to check out Lootsi area plan too... the harbour area will rock so hard...
www.kosmoses.ee

here you go, heres the new highrise i found for Eesti publicbroadcast building:
http://img108.echo.cx/img108/9688/img45265cs.jpg

and

http://img134.echo.cx/img134/8765/img45240kw.jpg

sorry for quality, shot from a not too big booklet

SIUKEST ASJA tahetaks raadiomaja taha ehitada??? kust see informatsioon?
ma nägin kuskil pilti hoopis väiksemast hoonest.... ja kui juba siuke gigant siis võiks vana maja maha võtta!
on äkki mingeid arve hoone kohta, martin?

mingi 200 - 250 mio pidi eelarve olema
muid numbreid pakkuda pole, arhitekt pole veel vastanud ;)
pildid Raamatust ehitus & projekt 2005

This Viru intersection project looks wicked indeed, lol. It`s good to see renderings of new high-rise buildings. They aren`t in Maakri district but still quite near so Tallinn skyscraper cluster will spread a little bit.

well it ought to be directly in line when viewed from for example pirita...

At the moment there are pretty much going on imo, but I`m not sure if people
want to read news about average projects without pictures. I`ll give some information just to show that Tallinn isn`t totally dead.

___ 1. New park will be built to Lasnamäe city part and waterside park to Kakumäe( district in Tallinn afaik).

___2. 800 000 Euros will be spent on bicycle paths this year.

___3. New school will be built to Viimsi (located in Tallinn metro area). I
guess it`s that one:
http://www.postimees.ee/150604/gfx/572640ce151fbd35a.jpg

___4. Grounds sale was started in Sweet Valley industrial park.
http://www.sweetvalley.ee/imagesm/suure_ringi_skeem.gif

___5. 12 apartment buildings will be built to Põhja-Tallinn city part(405 apartments, ). No pics :(

___6. To Viimsi may come 16-storey apartment building(410 apartments, not in one building, but in hole complex).

___7. The most longest during-independence-built road viadukt was built(about 300 m)
http://www.postimees.ee/200405/gfx/13041425ee59819e9f_3.jpg

Certainly there are more different projects and stuff, but it`s enough for today. :goodnight

Thanks for the info :)

Btw, Kakumäe sounds really funny :lol:

thank you Sander. Alot of industrial and IT parks started lately... the name Sweet valley is unknown to me, sounds very funny ;)

Mantaz where did you find Kakumäe? ;)

mixed feelings news... the 17 storey viru annex building was prohibited by city major...it would have taken space in the park next to it... so it was banned...

City government refuses to continue with already in 1999 approved detailplanning. Sokos Viru highrise planned to be built during next year. :ohno:
I show you the picture from Postimees
http://www.postimees.ee/210405/gfx/133294266d6ed8faa3.jpg

Mantaz where did you find Kakumäe? ;)
@ sander's post, of course ;)

aah mantaz, ofcourse, dont know i checked the post i didnt see it now i checked it and there it was ;) And i have to agree kakumäe sounds weird.. :) and funny, even for estonians like me, i wonder what it sounds like for foreigners

If you are Hindo-eauropean and know Estonian, you take it as "shitmountain" :D

well not exaxtly.. KAKU is not the same as KAKA :)

I don't think that stopping of that 17-floor building are bad news. Location is not good.
I liked the project of school - could be cosy place after construction

Hope that Viru2 won't be built, cause that's the worst idea in the world...it would look absolutely awful.

Viru Hotell itself has a lot of mass and definitely needs the space around it, that's already "eaten" by the Viru Keskus.

I have to agree. I dont like Viru 2 neither, first off its too close to old town, secondly it will make Viru seem even fatter...

100% with sten!


aitäh tõnis palts!!!!!!

Yeah I agree, there should be open space between old town and NCC. Viru hotel is already close to the old town, so there`s no need to increase this closeness even more.
Some projects:

___1. New office building in central city part- Veerenni businesss centre
(6-storey building). Will be completed in spring of 2006.
http://www.merko.ee/veerenni/galerii_1.jpg
http://www.merko.ee/veerenni/galerii_3.jpg

___2. Grounds sale is started in Lasnamäe industrial park. Total area of industrial park is 145 000 m2. 1500 new jobs will be created.
http://www.ltp.ee/img/map.jpg

___3. Ex-university building will be converted into apartment building.
Pic exists, but link is freaky (or is it my computer).

___4. New kindergarten will be built to Nõmme city part.
http://www.amhold.ee/files/images/Nomme_Lasteaed__uus.jpg

That`s all

very nice job, sander! :)

Hehe skyscrapers fans are against new high-rise, that is something new. :)

BTW that school project indeed is very nice ;)

Good news about Viru Hotel 2
it's propably the first time,when I'm happy if a highrise wont get built:)

The armenian church of the (bla bla bla) has signed a deal with Tallinn planning dept and a detailplan will be drawn for the little plot next to the little cute church (that offers kickass contrasts ;)) There are no details about what will be built there...im hoping for something high ;)...
heres a picture supposedly from approx te 19th floor of Tornimäe apartments...you can see the tiny church and the plot infront of it ;)
http://www.merko.ee/tornimae/galerii_4_suur.jpg

i read that there will be a 7 storey building, although in my opinion it would be better if a small park would be built... the cute (;)) church will be totally smothered now... :(

ah yeah, they did mention a 7 storey building right ;) yes i have to agree a couple benches and lamps and trees would be nice, but dont forget the whole street behind it is getting all that and More... :) IF they "parked" that place too (which would be nice from the view perspective) it would be a slight overkill ;)
The church will indeed dissappear in highrises, just across the road hopefully Tartu mnt 15 will tower ;) This church will be kinda symbol of Tallinn growth to the skies, like that church in NY, which used to be the landmark and now is incased with highrises! ;)

this is what we're talking about
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Antipaatia/079alloveryou.jpg

harr... seems like Narva maantee 7 (the ORange ugly building in downtown) is finally under renovation! ;)

/\Good news,''the most modern street in Tallinn'' will become more glassy:)

btw there are some pics on page 2

/\Good news,''the most modern street in Tallinn'' will become more glassy

Good glassy :D but not this building:

office building in central city part- Veerenni businesss centre
(6-storey building). Will be completed in spring of 2006.
http://www.merko.ee/veerenni/galerii_1.jpg
http://www.merko.ee/veerenni/galerii_3.jpg


:badnews:

i have to agree its quite weird, its in quite a new area so it wont clash with anything, it might turn out fine ;)

___1. Today I made some pics... but quite few. I also passed from Osten Tor.
(It`ll have 15 floors, lower part 6 floors).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/SanderZro/Tallinn2/P1010002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/SanderZro/Tallinn2/P1010003.jpg

___2. Abandoned ice hall will be demolished and new aquapark/sparing centre(dunno how to call it in English) will be built.
http://www.postimees.ee/280405/gfx/136674270080f34214.jpg

___3. New 9-storey office building will be built. No pics...

thanx for the update.. osten Tor is growing fast!

http://img161.exs.cx/img161/4712/tartumntbeuutiful7xp.jpg
http://www.hirvesoo.ee/kodu/pl/tartumnt/tartumntpl.jpg
http://www.hirvesoo.ee/kodu/pl/tartumnt/tartumnt5.jpg
http://www.hirvesoo.ee/kodu/pl/tartumnt/tartumnt4.jpg
work to begin on this street on the 16th of May! Prior to that they will need to change a connecting street to accomodate the extra cars...work on that starts on Monday - so in 2-3 days... tramconnecting to lasnamäe will stop til the works have finished - 15 august


This is special because:
a) the street is KICKASS
b) This indicated that Tartu mnt 15 shall go uc very soon
c) City plaza got its name from this ;)
d) I talked with mayor about it ;)

:wave:

Will they buy some new trams or will they just use the old ones? Sorry if this is a stupid question, but there's approximately X+ pages about Tallinn development and I'm just too lazy to read them all..

well there are plans to buy new ones, and buying 4 or 6 or so in 2005 (approx 40 or so by 2010) is written in strategic plan... i think the infrastructure is ready, since we have long trams - we made ourselves middle parts and extended trams... its just about buying...

that street looks absolutely cool. Warn me when ready - will go and look a it:)

http://www.ekspress.ee/fotodb/1717CC20C03C45B5C2256D64004E4608/$file/tn_tallinn.jpg

roflmao.. older render of what skyline might look...the upper one is the view from approx the same place, it was done in 1968 as a study of how cool will we get... we are close to getting better...
this IS without some of the other projects i know... MAJOR MAJOR update coming soon, coz im getting busy with these new plans!

okay here is the information i dug up about this project:
http://www.kpme.ee/est/tood/planeeringud/liivalaia_2.jpg


Developer Hansakinnisvara
date completed 2006
floorcount SEEMS to be 20 on one tower...

are thy approved?
i wonder why i haven't heard anything about them....

no... but pending approval, i have got any answer from the company yet... soon... soon... i went the the place today, there are 2 wooden houses there atm... both are empty and awaiting (what seems to be) instant removal ;) next to it is another house uc... i have no idea about it...

http://img252.echo.cx/img252/1903/orange20068kx.jpg

its under renovation now.. cant wait to see it look like this!

new render of Fahle...
http://www.a3ia.com/fahle3d/fahle-3200-2.jpg

and heres the 3d video which is not complete...
http://www.zone.ee/dr_x/output.avi

I saw the old render - I didn`t like it, but now it`s even worse...

its certianly extreme... but what do you do with a 100 year old limestone factory building? YOU BUILD A GREEN BOX over it ;) ;) ;) :D

But why they didn`t demolish it?
Maybe they realy think that this project is cool :D

because it was under heritage protection ;)

And that glassy little beutiful green box will be part of the heritage? :D

yes ;)
as long as you dont break or destroy the limestone lower part your fine ;)

What is so special about this old factory that it's under protection?

This one is really nice, but i think they should build it without those little towers, somehow i don't like them. :)
http://img252.echo.cx/img252/1903/orange20068kx.jpg

i dont know Geex... everything in estonia seems to be under protection... okay so what... its 200 years old... its just that.. i dont know Old limestone architecture is under protection in this part of the woods ;)

http://img197.exs.cx/img197/4825/mapresize9me.jpg

little update on the future tallest of the baltic ;)
The 40 storey building in the left corner...some updates from it. After the sale off Hansabank to Swedbank Endel Siff one of the richest estonian businessmen had way much free money in his hands... good news guys... guess what... he seems to have taken interest in property! So now his company begun to buy the apartments in the houses that are on the plot... one of the 3 houses has already been bought, he started buying the other one in the beginning of April and the third house on the plot belongs to some church that actually ordered the detailplan... so basically.. very soon the plot will be 100% in the hands of Siff...
according to the detail plan a 40 storey building would be erected there... residential..
Architect is Raivo Puusepp - he did Union bank...

40 storeys... mmmm

edit: Mantaz im guessing he meant Fahle ;) But thanks for taking the time ;)

Wow, that`s really good to hear that.

Somebody should take that photo again from the same angle, it's a good one. Possible to see the changes and stuff.

well on that pic... wouldnt expect alot of changes - viru centre, city plaza, rävala 4... thats it ;) that pic in 2010 would be better

there's something huge on page 5. could the one who posted it take it down or something?!?!?! i can't open the page!!!! my computerdumbass will collapse!!!!!
i wanna see what you guys are talkin about!!!!!

aaahhhhh!!!!!













plz? (:

Have just fixed it and you can blame ch1le for this :D

Btw, do you plan to get a new pc? :D

I have to be straight here:

Personally, I think Tallinn city planners are somewhat too keen to bulldoze wooden buildings in the city center and replace them with faceless modern stuff. Perhaps they are not architecturally all that valuable, but thats just how the thinking was in Nordic countries in 1960s. "Art Nouveau . . . Empire -- fuck em, that's like old stuff, mistakes from the past. Modern boxyness and concrete is the way to go."

It's not like there's that much lack of space in Tallinn's downtown. And if you need to make room for new stuff, the demolition craze should rather be targeted at those countless postwar buildings, "Stalinistic" ones excluded.

well Actually OL there is lack of space ;) There are detail plans and plans for houses on every free parcel! And for wooden buildings - we have strickt plans what and where we would like to keep... and the area of buildings under protection is 2-3 times as large as the area of Old town :) The maakri buildings are already doomed :)

Soory about offtopic question, Tallinn is dynamic city, does thera are some visions or minds in future about underground tram section or something about that?

undergroud tram section... there might be a possibility new tram lines would travel under ground when Viru centre was planned a underground tram station along with the underground bus station (operational now) was also planned, but we didnt get it...

I think that this underground bus station is the worst project in Tallinn ever done. Think about people who have to breed the smoke which comes out of the buses......It's just unthinkable how such things can happen :(

hehehe... we are not stuck in stoneage.. there are fans that blow and suck in the exhaust fumes.. theres no problem with it.. its not something revolutionary you know ;)

hehehe... we are not stuck in stoneage.. there are fans that blow and suck in the exhaust fumes.. theres no problem with it.. its not something revolutionary you know ;)
actually I sometimes have to wait some 20 seconds before I can breathe normally:)

actually I sometimes have to wait some 20 seconds before I can breathe normally:)

Really? I never noticed that the air was worse in there. I guess I'm used to the Stockholm subway air. :) Recently there was an study revealing the danger of the air in the subway tunnels and supposedly it's a real killer :tongue3:

BTW I found this:
http://www.hot.ee/stigma/1960/schpil.jpg

What the hell is it? I've never seen it :?

And this one too :tongue3:
http://my.tele2.ee/dobro/mai2004/2795.jpg
To those who can't read estonian, it says: Say "no" to expensive beer! Say "no" to the European Union.
In one sense it's the coolest argument ever, in the other it's just sad...

http://www.hot.ee/stigma/1960/schpil.jpg wow this is old.. if im not mistaken .. i can even see Tallinn TV mast...! It seems to be the monument near Pirita for fallen soldiers

dys - see on jääretke obelisk pirita teel. seal ju see suur memoriaalkompleks...

Jarmo & ch1le - Thanks guys! Pirita eh.. I should have guessed so, I haven't been there since I was a kid. Maybe I should visit this summer :)

From Baltic News Service newswire today: Tallinn mayor Tõnis Palts forms a personal advisory council on city planning issues. Members are: Krista Kodres, Mart Kalm, Ülar Mark, Ando Keskküla and Panu Lehtovuori.
"It's an advisory body which helps me in contemporary city planning issues."

Don't really know about the others but at least Krista Kodres and Mart Kalm have IMHO shown themselves as ultra-conservatives who don't support any modern building projects in Tallinn, the least skyscrapers. The whole thing ("mayor's personal advisory council") seems as an populist election trick - flirting with public opinion which is no scraper-friendly.
Mayor Palts has recently made statements like "I would like to demolish the high-rise at Pirita" etc.
I would hope that such trickery lasts not further than the municipal election day (Oct 16, 2005).

Well that highrise in Pirita is the stupidest thing ever. Really.

na Enoch... that is not bad news... Palts is very pro highrises in the Maakri area.. :)

oh btw... maakri 34 plot is fenced... iirc a 19 storey building is planned

oh btw... maakri 34 plot is fenced... iirc a 19 storey building is planned

You're right; emporis says the same. This is good news indeed! :cheers:
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=193498

Ch1le: hope you're right about Palts being scraper-friendly at Maakri area. But I'm not so sure about that.
Today's Postimees indicates that there will be no more than 3-4 new scrapers in Maakri area.
http://www.postimees.ee/130505/gfx/143704283bda0ccf49.jpg

still Enoch... that is what they say.. but there is more room.. for example dont forget the 40 storey tower i talked about some time ago.. no one buys land and houses for no reason!

anyhow heres the render... we should see these houses built soon then... according to this article..

http://www.postimees.ee/130505/gfx/143704283bda0ccf49.jpg

dont trust the height of the boxes ;) They dont show what they should be like..
actually the pic above is very incorrect in terms of Proportions! ;)
and the fellas doing the plan for highrises in tallinn sayd there is about 15 possible highrise cluster areas planned! :D:D:D

well Actually OL there is lack of space ;) There are detail plans and plans for houses on every free parcel! And for wooden buildings - we have strickt plans what and where we would like to keep... and the area of buildings under protection is 2-3 times as large as the area of Old town :) The maakri buildings are already doomed :)


Sorry, but I have to disagree here. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/oberleutnant/tallinn/uhispank3.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/oberleutnant/tallinn/olumpia5.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/oberleutnant/tallinn/maakrimaja2.jpg

Given the situation, I don't see how destroying prewar architecture in Tallinn's inner city can be justified with "lack of space".

hehehe...thanks Ol ;) hope you dont mind ill illustrate the fenced area on your photo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/oberleutnant/tallinn/maakrimaja2.jpg
its in the lower left corner.... the wooden houses you see there.. they should get demolished.. but this is again asumption heres the pictures i made today from the concrete base of Maakri maja:
http://img26.echo.cx/img26/2484/img49024vv.jpg

and from Maakri str:
http://img136.echo.cx/img136/1988/img49067qi.jpg
http://img136.echo.cx/img136/9664/img49070eu.jpg
http://img136.echo.cx/img136/1006/img49088mp.jpg

IMHO those should be demolished ASAP. Ugly wooden barracks that don't have any value at all. There are some wooden house districts in Tallinn (Kalamaja) which could be renovated but not here in the city.
And believe me, I live quite close to that very place.

If these buildings would be renovated they`d look quite OK. But yeah, I agree that these buildings should be demolished because anyway most of wooden buildings have already disappeared from Maakri district and it`s pointless to leave it like that(I mean saving last wooden buildings is pointless). Except wooden buildings under protection.

Estonia’s largest passenger shipping company Tallink Grupp is planning to build a second hotel in the Tallinn passenger port, Eesti Päevaleht writes.

Tallink’s board member Kalev Järvelill said that the company is waiting for the Tallinn city government approval to the project at present.

The new hotel will have over 350 rooms and will cost 300 mln kroons.

“If all goes well, we would like to open the hotel in Jun next year,” Järvelill said.

The new hotel, that will be built next to ExpressHotel, that is managed by Reval Hotels, will be in quality similar to Tallink’s first hotel in central Tallinn.

The project means 300 new jobs for the city, Järvelill said.

Tallink opened its first hotel, the Best Western Hotell Tallink, located in the thoroughly renovated former Teenindusmaja (Services Building) next to the Viru Hotel in central Tallinn, last May.

huh i'm going to expresshotel for a job interview.... :/

yeah, the new hotel next to port is good news, since we can use all the buildings we can get there... but where is expresshotel?!

oh, and good luck with your job interview jarmo...!

new buildings, a whad of them in accordance with the coastal area plan (http://veeb.tallinn.ee/rannaala/ranna_web/index.html if you havent heard of it.. check it out :D)

http://img286.echo.cx/img286/8104/projectrannaala4zh.jpg

this is a small part of it.. these are residentials.. i marked 2 of them... since they are uc and topped out at an amaizing... 4 floors.. this is a render of those 2...
http://www.city24.ee/MEDIA/PICTURE/PICTURE_745341.jpeg
and these seems to be next to go uc! I marked these with the lighter green! I like these!
http://www.skanska.ee/Kinnisvara/Liivaoja2/Images/PageTop.jpg

I newer heard about Tallinn coastal development plan until now. It's great, but they need to build high-rises :)

na highrises at the coast are not that supported here... well have them in the central area ! ;) Anyway... if you havent seen it yet.. check it out.. click on the areas and so on.. it has a what of information and pictures and aerials..! Its awesome

press on Blocks
Then press on the orange block.. then press on it again.. it shall load and open a new page.. where you can select between 1 2 and 3... there you can see what of aerials, pictures, models etc... :) This is comprehensive! :runaway: It pretty much the extension of the whole central tallinn area.. and once complete will form most certainly one of the most urban areas in Tallinn..

^^^

Yeah i can say this is one of the best project presentation sites i saw ;)

Here's a transcript of Estonian TV3 7 O'Clock News presentation last Saturday (first item - most important news that day).

Presenter Sirje Eesmaa:
"Good Saturday from Seven O'Clock News. Tallinn will be soon known not because of the medieval old town or well preserved wooden districts, but the tone will be set by high-rise buildings that have been built during last years. Well-viewable Toompea has been in many cases shadowed by new colossuses. A theme planning document has been initiated, and according to it there is no room for new high-rises in the city centre any more. A member of the city council Tiina Mägi says, that it's hopelessly too late."

Reporter Jana Rand:
"Although the townspeople have not quite accepted or used to skyscrapers, they rise uncontrollably, because the pressure of the money is great. To control the situation however, the high-rises theme planning document was drafted. But this document is only a recommendation and does not state firmly, that there will not be any more skyscrapers built in the centre. Council member Tiina Mägi submitted an inquiry on the planning document, but on her opinion, really it's already too late."

Tallinn City Council member Tiina Mägi:
"If I would be the decisionmaker - but I have only a modest opinion voice - I would not hesitate for a second any more, and would pass this planning document already this spring. I would not only to conduct the proceeding of this document endlessly, but would say that this is the law and not one step further. And I would set a moratorium on the earlier detailed planning documents."

Jana Rand:
"Mägi says that she's gotten new hope from the statements by mayor Tõnis Palts, who has made radical statements against high-rises. Even then, the state of matters in Tallinn does not depend on city council or the mayor, but the final decision will be made by Harju County Government."

Tiina Mägi:
"If the Harju County Government would be the real friend and say no, even if other instances say maybe or yes. County Government could say a categorical no. But I think it over quickly and I don't think that there's been even one such case."

Jana Rand:
"Like in the city, Mägi thinks that inaproppriate buildings force their way also into coastal area. Because tallinners should know more about what is planned in their city, the public should be notified. Today, the harbour area drafts have been set on exhibition at Lootsi 13 exhibition-hall."

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Well, what do you think??? :mad: :mad: :mad2: :mad2: :evil:

I think this broadcast was
a) unobjective and in clear violation of journalistic ethics (one-sided opinion against high-rises presented only, not even an attempt made to present other points of view).
b) Presenting dubious or totally false statements. Like "according to planning document, there is no room for high-rises in the centre any more." AFAIK the planning document has been drafted to set the areas and criteria for *building* the high-rises in Tallinn (incl. centre), not to stop building them. Also, they have not been built "uncontrollably," because every single building has been accepted by due lawful planning process, in accordance of valid Estonian law.
c) The word "colossus" used for high-rises is an insult, it offends people like me who happen to be the fans of skyscrapers and also it insults my fellow Tallinn citizens, who live and work in the high-rises and who have their homes in those buildings.

So I'm a very unhappy person after viewing this broadcast.
:badnews:

Just to be clear, one can find some positive things in this broadcast:
a) council member Magi thinks that opposing high-rises is already hopeless
b) she also can not present any cases where the Harju County Government has stopped any high-rise projects in Tallinn.
:laugh: :tongue2: :yes:

More Frabulous news...
Manutent says that Rotermanni area will go UC very very very soon... no dates given though.. but they sayd the new buildings built there (one 5 storey building and three 7 sorey buildings) will be rdy by december 2006.. also that the total cost of the project is 720 mio eek... (48 mio €)! Weehaa!
'
oh... and seems like the "orange building renovation" Got a name and webpages...
http://www.ober-haus.ee/triumph/images/avaleht_1.jpg
http://www.ober-haus.ee/triumph/images/avaleht_2.jpg
http://www.ober-haus.ee/triumph/images/avaleht_3.jpg

gotta love this project along with foorum... ART DECO RULES IN TALLINN! :D

^^^
Those little "towers" with spires look like taken straight away from Moscow. Otherwise it would be a nice project.

i dont know... the name is moscow like - "Triumph" (the insult comic dog ;)) but the towers i like...

mby the name triggered you to think Moscow!

mm... just think of that building and Foorum right next to it! And Rotermanni across the street! Frabulous!

btw... the projects uc (and uc in a month or so ;)) in the harbour area of tallinn (including Triumph palac.. i mean Plaza and Foorum) is close to 1,5 bio eek ;)

i dont know... the name is moscow like - "Triumph" (the insult comic dog ;)) but the towers i like...

mby the name triggered you to think Moscow!

mm... just think of that building and Foorum right next to it! And Rotermanni across the street! Frabulous!

btw... the projects uc (and uc in a month or so ;)) in the harbour area of tallinn (including Triumph palac.. i mean Plaza and Foorum) is close to 1,5 bio eek ;)

I, for one, would have loved to have a seven sisters-style building in Tallinn. Riga and Warsaw got theirs but sadly Tallinn and Vilnius didn't.

^^^ And thanks to Stalin that he didn;t build one here :ohno:

indeed! i really like the stalinistic monsters but i wouldn't want to see one in my neck of the woods! (actually there is one but a lot smaller...)

by the way... triumph plaza's towers do not remind me of a stalinistic building. i guess people see things very differently! =)

p.s. - TALLINN ROXX!

Narva Rd. ("Triumph") reconstruction would be even cooler if the whole thing would be built from stone, apparently it can't be done even because of technical reasons. It would be like 30's New York art-deco from "The Sky Captain and World of Tomorrow"

There is stalinistic high-rise at Tartu rd-Liivalaia crossing but of course it's unfortunately quite small. Why, of why comrade Stalin didn't you order to build more Moscow-university-like building there.

ah Enoch.. actually.. they did plan to build a stalinistic highrise here.. im not sure, but on the pic it seemed bigger then the one in Riga... about 120m or mby more... it was quite awesome, i dont know why it wasnt built

BAD NEWS

in one of the news portals is a short story about tartu mnt 15.. they sayd it wont be uc earlyer then a year! ... god damn this is all wrong... hope this is somekinda fake news...

http://www.epl.ee/artikkel_292271.html

sirvige mart kalmi raamatut ''alar kotli'', seal see kotli planeeritud kõrghoone.
ja siis siuke raamat nigu ''tallinna linnaehituslik kujunemine'' (d.bruns?) - seal on ka nendest ülisuurtest ensv projektidest täpsemalt!

http://www.ehitusabi.ee/index.php?news_id=1,5643

http://www.ehitusabi.ee/index.php?news_id=1,5647

is it me or... do those news seem fit to be in 2004... coz the detail plan has been done and approved i dont get it! This is just weird!!!!!!! it must be a fluke in the system or something... the detail plan is done and approved!

seriously... someone must be stuck in 04!
this was approved in 2004!

Seems like somebody told lies all the time. Shame, shame :| ;)

na ... this is totally wrong... this house will go up this summer... its obvious.. the above articles... they are.. wrong.. it just cant be... this tower went through finalization in the city planning and got green light on this date: 22.10.2004 ...
read about it.. http://www.epl.ee/artikkel_276938.html this is just.. so ... i dont know..
let me give some facts:
building it is perfect, since the street next to it went uc - closing the parking lot which is next to it...
Secondly Juno're told us it will go uc with kivisilla str.
Thirdly ive been to Tallinn planning department regarding this... this project is rdy... they are saying they dont have plans yet what is total bullshit!
Fourthly (or something) This got APPROVAL! God damnit.. you dont showcase buildings that are visionary or so far away... this is just wrong... mark my word!

^^^ I see you are really desperate :D Approval is just a green light, but it depends on the developer, when he will start it. Say, in Lithuania the construction permits are given for 10 years and you can wait that long to start the construction ;)

Btw, who is going to be the main constructor?

i dont know mantaz...! :( Possibly Rand & Tuulberg - every other project by Vallikraavi real estate has been done by them.

anyhow..

Is rotermanni area under construction/renovation or under demolition?
http://img139.echo.cx/img139/1691/img52891fg.jpg

YEEEY! Bring it down Boys! Kill the soviet crap ;)
http://img124.echo.cx/img124/7145/img16622pa.jpg

http://img139.echo.cx/img139/1691/img52891fg.jpg
Aaw, geez. I really liked those buildings.. :cry:

i like them too and those are going to stay, as you see just the soviet add-on was taken down! :D
look, everything that is brick there will be torn down, those are mengy soviet add-ons... just look at the upper part, look the limestone building is beutiful, but they have built it higher with brick, bye bye brick part!

i like them too and those are going to stay, as you see just the soviet add-on was taken down! :D
look, everything that is brick there will be torn down, those are mengy soviet add-ons... just look at the upper part, look the limestone building is beutiful, but they have built it higher with brick, bye bye brick part!


Hm, yes. I see about the brick but what about the chimmney?

yeah, the chimneys will stay apparently.. as a symbol and etc... hope it gets lighted properly..

Render of Osten TOr... ME LIKE!
http://www.kpme.ee/est/tood/kortermajad/ostentor_2.jpg

they are building like the 7th floor already, btw. This pic is really old.

Aaw, geez. I really liked those buildings.. :cry:

Agreed! It´s good Tallinn is developing, but I think their attitude is too modern - to be honest, I think they are doing same mistakes we did during 60´s and 70´s. Those old crappy and scruffy brick houses would be awesome if renovated. In Mere Puistee there´s really attractive old renovated brick houses, I really hope they will not be demolished when they rebuild Rotermanni area.

don't worry, those historicistic (???????) buildings in mere puiestee WILL stay! i like them very much as well.

to illustrate:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Antipaatia/021rotermannikeskus.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Antipaatia/020britipoissmehed.jpg

this beauty is in the corner of rotermanni quarter
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Antipaatia/023juugend.jpg

YUPPIE!!!!!!!!!! ADMIRALITEEDI area will get detailplan... the area will go uc next year (hopefully) its a huge block in the harbour district... development cost? (according to earlyer accounts) 1,5 BIO eek!!!!! That might have raized a whole lot in 4 years..! :D:D:D this is a huge project!!!!
YEeyeeyeee... that is 100 mio euro! :D

Calm down please :D
About what project are you talking about?

Calm down please :D
About what project are you talking about?

He's gone crazy...

Huge block and only 100 mio €? That's only a little ;)

First extensive plans for this area (near Tallinn passenger port) were published already 1996, let's hope something really happens there now. But AFAIK the city plans building only smallish apartment blocks, no bigger projects of any kind... let's see.

Agreed! It´s good Tallinn is developing, but I think their attitude is too modern - to be honest, I think they are doing same mistakes we did during 60´s and 70´s. Those old crappy and scruffy brick houses would be awesome if renovated. In Mere Puistee there´s really attractive old renovated brick houses, I really hope they will not be demolished when they rebuild Rotermanni area.

There's a big difference between what's happening in Tallinn right now and what was done to Stockholm (Don't know about Finland) in the 60's. For those who don't know about this: What happened was that the goverment tore down most of the city and rebuilt it. This is the main point but there's much more. Anyway this was a major bummer since so much history was destroyed and not replaced by new and better, just new. There were even plans regarding the old town but they ran out of money. In Tallinn most houses that go down have no value and are pretty much slums. What is built is because of market issues, not political. Of course there are some people that want to tear down every single thing that says communism but I'm guessing that won't happen, it's our heritage too and not to be forgotten.

okay let me give you some clues..

This is the arial of the area, and the new buildings (just illustrating, there will be competitions for every building)..
http://img219.echo.cx/img219/1289/ariaal2bz.jpg
heres the area now, btw Rotermanni is right next to it :D and next to rotermanni is viru centre, and "the most modern st in TLN...":
http://img219.echo.cx/img219/3976/ariaalpraegu3uz.jpg
after
http://img219.echo.cx/my.php?image=ariaalprast4ol.jpg

heres a closer view:
http://img219.echo.cx/img219/4616/merepoolt3ew.jpg

Looks quite good. In Tallin passenger port there´s now too much empty areas. But I don´t like the area very much - it´s not so much beacuse the architecture, it´s because the drinking Finnish alcohol tourists and Poros. :D

There's a big difference between what's happening in Tallinn right now and what was done to Stockholm (Don't know about Finland) in the 60's. For those who don't know about this: What happened was that the goverment tore down most of the city and rebuilt it. This is the main point but there's much more. Anyway this was a major bummer since so much history was destroyed and not replaced by new and better, just new. There were even plans regarding the old town but they ran out of money.

I mean, in Helsinki many many very beautiful and attractive historical buildings were demolished and replaced by faceles boxy offices. As you told, same horrible mistakes happened in Stockholm too. In Helsinki they even planned to built a highway through the historical area! I have some examples, but this is Tallinn development thread, so maybe we should sometimes make a ''demolished buildings in S&B''-thread.

...so maybe we should sometimes make a ''demolished buildings in S&B''-thread.

That's a great idea. We have some buildings which was demolished during soviet era (replaces by commies and so on) i bet every city will have something to show! :)

...so maybe we should sometimes make a ''demolished buildings in S&B''-thread.

Maybe not such a bad idea :cheers1:

BTW, this may be old news but what's this about? http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=139349

i think this is the building planned right next to stockmann department store. right now there's a big parking lot there. i somehow doubt it will ever be built... but my fingers are crossed! (:

New and quite big apartment building to undergoes construction in the famous commieblock district Lasnamäe.

Building will be ready in May 2006.

http://www.uusmaa.ee/arendusprojekt/liikuri/gfx/pic1.jpg
http://www.uusmaa.ee/arendusprojekt/liikuri/gfx/pic2.jpg

http://www.uusmaa.ee/arendusprojekt/liikuri/

That is fkn hughe! Why don`t they build something smaller and more interesting? :ohno:

That is fkn hughe! Why don`t they build something smaller and more interesting? :ohno:

they just must surrender to temptation to beat Klaipeda in projects, which are possessed by megalomania;)

That is fkn hughe! Why don`t they build something smaller and more interesting? :ohno:

Seems to me they wanted it to emulate the look of some of the surrounding buildings, in modern way. I like the look myself.

i dont give a flying f. about that builging imo build anything you want to Lasnamäe...

IMO a commieblock district should have commieblocks in it. This one's okay since it melts pretty ok (as seen in the pic in my post) but I'd go ahead construct some more high rise commies and fill out the HUGE space inbetween the buildings. BTW why is that space there? It's just filled with weeds and other crap anyway :)
http://www.uusmaa.ee/arendusprojekt/liikuri/gfx/pic3.jpg

And ch1le, what ever happened to your plans of taking a photo tour of Lasnamäe?

@Dys nothing, just a bit busy atm, school is over in a week, then i have all the time in the world

that space is there cause lasnamäe was left unfinished :D they planned to fill it all up but then came 1991 and SOME things changed.

that space is there cause lasnamäe was left unfinished :D they planned to fill it all up but then came 1991 and SOME things changed.
Really? I reckoned it was because of fundament problems or something. So why dindn't they just build in a straight line instead of jumping ahead?

Ch1le - I can dig. I graduate on the 10th myself :cheers: Hopefully I can take a trip by Tallinn sometime, at least for Õllesummer! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Hello Tallinners! I have an emergency case here: I need General Plan of Tallinn badly (for my final thesis). Tried to search all over tallinn.ee, however, all documents are in Estonian and I was unable to find any plans.

Please help me on that - I need the plan itself with public/residential/commercial etc areas shown on the map.

Thank you very much!

whoops! =(

i don't think a map you're looking for can be found... with the areas shown... i'll try to search something but can't promise anything...

Thank you, Jarmo! Good news is that I've already got the link. In case you ever need it, here are all the plans of Tallinn:

http://tsapa.ekk.ee/?id=75

:) :) :)

Hey, I was searching my class excursion pictures from pilt.ee and found Osten Tor construction pics by, I think, some worker.
http://www.pilt.ee/view/446070/

http://aeb.arhitektuur.ee/static/14/45.159.jpg

http://aeb.arhitektuur.ee/static/14/45.160.jpg

http://aeb.arhitektuur.ee/static/14/45.161.jpg

What is it? Not bad and not interesting either.

its a plan for the extension or Broadcast unions house... :) no further info about it :(
heres a couple of pictures of its location.... notice the White old commie house in front of it... it is the existing Broadcast unions House...
http://img145.echo.cx/img145/7799/img45080ib.jpg

This is an € 3mio and 3000 m2 sports centre to be built in the heart of Tallinn, for Tallinn English College elite school.

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/lektive-sp2.jpg
http://server2.uploadit.org/files/lektive-sp1.jpg
http://server3.uploadit.org/files/lektive-sp3.jpg

Inside:
*a pool 10x25m, 4 tracks
*basketball hall
*parking for 42 cars
*some smaller rooms

to be built 09.2005-08.2006
Author: Estonian architect Andrus Kõresaar, the same guy who planned an eccentric World Expo building (with "carrot-roof") for Estonia.

Funny feet :laugh: the idea behind them should be, like they say, to symbolize the trees (only a few) that will be sacrificed to build this sports centre.

^^quite awful.

These "trees" look spooky, better not... But idea not bad, there is some irony in it.

Doesn't really fit into that location, no matter how positively I try to imagine it.

What's wrong with those planners nowadays? :dunno:

and that proposal for the tv/radio-building looks like Radisson all over again.

http://aeb.arhitektuur.ee/static/14/45.161.jpg

Looks nice, what's the height?

Doesn't really fit into that location, no matter how positively I try to imagine it.

In that particular case I agree. It seems to destroy the street front that is going from the school to drama theatre and is in classical style. Although the local police hq next to it has already some modern style renovations. And the "trees" seem just eccentric, not cool. Maybe they should just cut out the part that extends to the street and build the whole thing in the yard.

I also think that the new TV building seems to lack originality, but of course it's way better than the current one.

This is an € 3mio and 3000 m2 sports centre to be built in the heart of Tallinn, for Tallinn English College elite school.

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/lektive-sp2.jpg
http://server2.uploadit.org/files/lektive-sp1.jpg
http://server3.uploadit.org/files/lektive-sp3.jpg

Inside:
*a pool 10x25m, 4 tracks
*basketball hall
*parking for 42 cars
*some smaller rooms

to be built 09.2005-08.2006
Author: Estonian architect Andrus Kõresaar, the same guy who planned an eccentric World Expo building (with "carrot-roof") for Estonia.

Funny feet :laugh: the idea behind them should be, like they say, to symbolize the trees (only a few) that will be sacrificed to build this sports centre.


lol..for some weird reason i love it! ihave never noticed the hole before though...i would feel more confortable if it was next to rävala 4 though :)... they would really compliment eachother!

Postimees writes that Tallinn Airport will get an extension. This is due to the passenger growth of 44,2% in last 5 months and transport flights have rosen 169,2%. They will build the I shape terminal to T shape. And it should be able to server 2,3 million.

awesome Fahle intro, check it out, its quite worth it...
There are some troubles with the extension though, as the current city gov has problems approving it :(
http://zone.ee/da_x/fahle.wmv

New residential quartal next to kadriorg - in accordance with masterplan of Coastal area.
i have mentioned it before...
http://www.skanska.ee/Kinnisvara/Liivaoja10/Images/AsukohtS.gif

these are nice renders of blocks nr 2.
http://www.skanska.ee/Kinnisvara/Liivaoja2/Images/Pilt1.jpg
http://www.skanska.ee/Kinnisvara/Liivaoja2/Images/Pilt2.jpg

http://www.skanska.ee/Kinnisvara/Liivaoja2/Images/Pilt3.jpg

me like

I dunno what to say. Just commie-like glass boxes :ohno:

What the hell do you want Mantaz, "commie-like glass boxes"?
Either you did an ironic joke, or you are just silly.

^^^ Do I have a right not to like it and express my opinion?

mantaz is beeing ironic since most highrises in kaunas and other buildings in lithuanian area are commies lately... :)

^^^ And you dislike them very much. I wonder why you like such ones in Tallinn? :)

i dont dislike them very much :) I just dislike some of them :) for me a commie is a building (it can be tall or whatever) when it has god damn ugly balconies, and when it stands from out of nowhere.
The buildings presented here are ... well. normal NORDIC residentials, and its very clear alot of detail has been given into these.
and furthermore there isnt a description of what a commie is... so its anyone's guess and taste.

^^^ Everyone thinks waht is best for them. OK :D

This (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/lektive-sp3.jpg) building is cool, but I doesn't fit to there. They really should build it, but to some more suitable place.

Those new buildings in Kadriorg are ok in renderings, but how about in real life? To be honest, they are too boxy and I'm not sure, is Kadriorg right place to build them.

But those towers are fine. Tallinn skyline is getting better every year.

hehe ''commie-like'' :D

Rather boring design for the new buildings in Kadriorg. Looks like down-turned version of "Shokolad" apartments in Riga:
http://www.nams24.lv/images/jaunmajas/Sokolades%20nams_L.jpg

some updates:
Osten tor is at 9 floors
http://img132.echo.cx/img132/908/img61312vz.jpg

news from the harbour front. Brought to you.. partially by OL :)
OL brought my atention to this new hotel - spa something he found on the net!
http://www.evata.fi/uploaded/hc-tallinn.jpg
at first i was pussled... HOLIDAY CITY TALLINN... what where when wha...
well okay :)... Tallinn... harbour area.. cool
its 45 000 sqm (HUGE) and will as the page www.evata.fi (architecture bureau behind it) said next year.
Marked the location and size of it in the masterplan here... its green.
http://img116.echo.cx/img116/4886/holidaycitytallinn1yz.jpg

yeey!

Cool, it`s good when there are certain plans about filling that empty area in harbour area.

http://img135.echo.cx/img135/8029/img66817bs.jpg
world trade centre Tallinn is getting a facelift, must have felt it was needed after seeing brilliant and glassy and shiny buildings like Admirali maja pump up next to it...
The facade atm isnt too bad imo... but if they felt like spending a couple mio eek, then so be it... the new glass clad looks quite fine!

damn, this holiday city tallinn kinda sux. too big, too bland. pff...

its pretty bland, the wing section is nicer though, the other ends are "classical", a bit.. too simple, need bling. I wonder how the other sides look like. Its big, but i dont see it as something bad, it can be big at that place, from what i heard the Admirali quarter(the zone facing old town) will have smaller quartals and less massive buildings.

not confirmed or anything (not right now) but it seems and is very likely that today or yesterday City council approved Tartu mnt 15. ANOTHER hurdle passed... gots my fingers crossed that it will go UC this summer... More news and stuff when i get back from Barcelona

ch1le - That would be very nice indeed! :)

good news all around ....taru mnt.15 approved.... they're finally filling that unsightly gap in the harbor area....and i just heard on the news that they have finally started working on the whole of tartu mnt. itself (its one of the most important roads in tallinn linking our bigegst transit routes to the harbor through the city but it has always been in a very bad state because of the heavy traffic) damn i leave tallinn for a couple of weeks and look what happens :)

Great news! :cheers: I also found this article about it: http://city24.delfi.ee/delfi/city24client?rnd=798420&pageId=15&objId=&stateId=NewsArticle&eventId=&articleId=47597
Amongst other things it says that the height will be 114.5 m at most as opposed to the previously stated 120, but it will still be Tallinns tallest! :cheers: Seemingly, 35 floors is still the idea, so at least that part's good.
What's not-so-good news is that there seems to be a stated maximum height of 120 m for high-rises in Tallinn (at least the central parts). Maybe this is old news but anyways.

BTW does anyone know when it goes U/C?

wwelcome minosotis!!

Oh, how silly of me not to notice. Please accept my humble apologies. And, of course: Welcome! :cheers: :cheers: :)

no need to welcome ...mi actually an old user but they wont let me out of the brig...bin there for going on 4 and a half months now:)....but thanks anyway

heres a article about Rotermann quartal in estonian architecture magazine "Maja"

The Rotermann Saga
27.06.2005
Kalle Komissarov


Prologue

The Rotermann quarter is like a tiresome relative. You see him infrequently enough that you need not sincerely smile when you meet. At the same time, you have forgotten his mental distress – you don’t remember whom he is now sleeping with, where he works and what might otherwise be wrong with him.
I claim that this quarter is the most thoroughly studied district in the centre of Tallinn, also perhaps in the entire Republic of Estonia. The best resources have been brought in to work on it. There is a good building plan and detailed plan for it. An untold number of architectural theses at the Academy of Art have focused on it, with the addition of countless term papers. Two generations of architects have grown up with it and “she” still has not really been married off. Now there is a new eager suitor and the architects are those very same former undergraduate students who, by the way, have grown long beards in the meantime! This spinster will quite likely finally spawn a book with plenty of blood, tears and rock’n’roll. A true project design process.
Some ideas have been charred in this purgatory and the mask has been removed from their face. A 3rd storey tunnel did not come from the Viru Centre and pedestrian levels and plateaus will not be built. Illegal buildings are not being demolished and nobody wants even those with value. Cultural industry is not visible anywhere, and the cold wind has driven away even stalkers and vagabonds. However…!
I am not the one who wants to write its obituary, moreover since it is still thus far one of the more successful cases. Take the last architectural competition, for example, the theme of which is the cumbersome “Architectural competition for an architectural design project for an apartment building with service and office space planned for the northeastern sector of the Rotermann quarter”.

New Chapter

A builder and developer tandem organised the architectural competition. It was a two-round architectural competition. Eight architectural bureaus were invited to participate in the first round. Two of them plus the author of the detailed plan were selected for the second round. In addition to the official jury of the competition (Märt Vooglaid and Heiki Kivimaa from OÜ Manutent; architects Ike Volkov, Andres Alver and Raine Karp; Tiit Nurklik from KMG Ehitus Ltd.), something resembling a body of experts, that included representatives of the Cultural Heritage Department and the City Enterprise Department of the Tallinn Municipal Government and an additional 6 architects, met twice. The objective of the discussions was to “consider the submitted entries from the point of view of their compatibility with the surrounding environment, architectural potential and development potential, thus assisting the representatives of the customer in comprehending architecture and broadening their horizon” (sic!). The event culminated with a noteworthy exhibition at the “Laste maailma” (Children’s World) design gallery.
Six of the eight invited participants submitted entries in spite of the “oily” developer-friendly primary conditions of the competition. “Oily” refers to the fact that the fee for the future design of the project was determined in the competition regulations while the customer did not know the size of the building being designed. The sums in question, however, resembled project design fees in Southern Estonia, not those current in Tallinn’s city centre.
The entries of the Kosmos and 3+1 architectural bureaus were selected for the second round, to which was added the entry of Martin Aunin and Martin Melioranski as the authors of the detailed plan for the territory. The final decision began taking shape during the second meeting of the expert commission already. It was uncommonly unanimously in favour of the Kosmos entry (authors Ott Kadarik, Villem Tomiste, Mihkel Tüür). The gross area covered by buildings was 17 220 m2 in total, of which 11 890 m2 was for apartments, 5330 m2 was retail space and the remainder was for the parking building (2 storeys) with 460 parking spaces. The maximum gross area determined by the detailed plan was 20 000 m2 and the maximum building height was 24 m. The key words used in the Kosmos project had a stupefying effect at least on this commission – a plurality of lifestyles; diversity and sustainability of the environment; urban density; different designs of public space. The aspect of the winning entry that differed the most from the other entries was that its areas to be covered by buildings were the smallest, which was a trump in the event of the 100% usage of construction permitted by the detailed plan.

Epilogue?

The construction of the Rotermann urban apartments designed by the Kosmos architectural bureau is set to begin PDQ this summer already. The project design that is nearing completion includes one 5-storey and three 7-storey buildings. The 1st and 2nd storeys of all buildings are retail and commercial spaces and from the 3rd storey upward are apartment spaces. Pedestrian streets running north-south pass between the buildings, arriving at the square located on the 2nd storey level between the buildings. All parking is situated in the underground parking building. A total of 4940 m2 of commercial space and 8388 m2 of residential space is to be completed by January of 2007, of which about a third has presently already been reserved.
The development of the Rotermann quarter began with the carrying out of the architectural competition, the aim of which was to find the most suitable architectural design solution for apartment buildings with commercial spaces. The next stage in restoring this district to use is the planning of the northeastern corner of the quarter, which has a large number of buildings under architectural protection. In this case, their owner, OÜ Manutent hinted that the quarter could in the future evolve into a favourite place for people in the cultural scene. We hope so as well.

http://www.evata.fi/uploaded/hc-tallinn.jpg

im not sure but i think there were news about this today.
It would become Tallinn's biggest Hotel.
Construction cost 1 BIO eek.. so its one expensive building:)
they didnt mention any dates:(

http://www.epl.ee/artikkel_295398.html
here's the article.
also, the design might change a bit, they wont allow a big box like it is now

They hope to start the constuctionworks this autumn.
Also, I'm very interested about this render, it looks like there is going to be a ramp to the water, or steps. But that place is for smaller ships you know.

Oh and there is HEated discussion about Viru Annex. It seems like architects are Pro this project.
heres a render.
http://static.epl.ee/g/pics/2005/06/29/picwhsqXZ.jpg

mm.. i personally, dont know, architects tell it softens the image Hotel viru has on the Old town... thats a good thing. well.. duh

i fccccckin hate the viru annex!!!!

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/lektive-sp3.jpg
I can't even imagine how this would look in real life. Very creative.

^^^
Really weird :weirdo:

hey more news of the SPA next to admiraliteedi harbour quay..

investmend is about 1 bio eek or 66 mio euro. They say it will become nordic countries largest waterpark (duh), it will have a spa, several saunas, and a 362 room hotel.
They wish to start construction december this year and finish by 2007. They are still working on a suitable design for the building.
heres a render.
http://www.postimees.ee/010705/gfx/1667142c46dc65001f.jpg

everyone wants to see this project started as it will be marker to tallinn's new city area, the harbour area, other huge constructions will follow suit.

Seems like Tallinn is getting some action :nocrook:

Investment and their intent sounds impressive... but architecture - damn boring.

/\ yeah thats the same attitute as in our city hall, they have rejected too boring projects back 5 times, now the group says they have come up with something better. Everyone is trying hard to make this area the best in Tallinn :)

biggest waterpark? like where do they want to fit that? hmm

inside the big box i guess :D

every room will have its own waterpark (:
weeeeeeeeeeee!

hey more news of the SPA next to admiraliteedi harbour quay..

investmend is about 1 bio eek or 66 mio euro. They say it will become nordic countries largest waterpark (duh), it will have a spa, several saunas, and a 362 room hotel.
They wish to start construction december this year and finish by 2007. They are still working on a suitable design for the building.
heres a render.
http://www.postimees.ee/010705/gfx/1667142c46dc65001f.jpg

everyone wants to see this project started as it will be marker to tallinn's new city area, the harbour area, other huge constructions will follow suit.

Is it the final project (on the picture)?
What is the floor count of hotel ?
...and ...kust saab sellest rohkem infot ?

Are the limos gonna hang around the hotel all the time, cause i wouldn't mind that, looks great in front of the tourists, don't u think?...

YanXenus, no this isnt the final, im sure something will change.
http://www.postimees.ee/020705/esileht/siseuudised/tallinn/170251.php
heres more info

I really don't mind the Viru Annex but why the **** didn't they just build it over Viru keskus?

yumm yumm, not much happening in Tallinn right now.

just. The mayor has proposed underground parking to be built under the soon to be under reconstruction Tartu road. That would be huge!
The Demolition of houses blocking the new extension for Tartu road has started.

How big is that parking garage gonna be compared to the one below Rävala pst?

well, i dont know to what extent the mayor suggested it to be built :D but if it did go even 1/6th of the lenght of Tartu road it would still be HUGE!

News.
There have been some problems in the city council about Fahle's new part, they sayd they wont allow it, now after talks, it seems they will allow it, but only, yes, ONLY if other high buildings follow in the area, the news also say 3 15 storey buildings are planned in the area :P :)

What is Fahle? And would these be residentials???

well i dont know about the other towers, (actually there are more then just 3 planned, 3 was just by some other developer supporting Fahle). They will be mixed i guess

Fahle - www.fahle.ee

Hey, hey! That's great!

yeh i think so.

Its opposed to the usual Anti highrise thing, pretty extreme... we will only allow it if you promise to build more high buildings there...


GReat :D

Well, as I reckon, if there's nothing much there so why not build some high rises?