I am starting this thread because I could not find the previous one concerning this project.

Project: A lavishly built army GHQ near Islamabad based on the pattern of Putrajaya.

New GHQ to be eighth wonder: PML-N

By Amir Wasim

ISLAMABAD, Dec 2: Central leaders of Pakistan Muslim League-N (PML-N) on Friday denounced the government’s plan to construct a new General Headquarters (GHQ) in the capital as a huge housing scheme in the name of building “Defence Services Complex”.

PML-N MNA Khawaja Saad Rafiq, vice-president Mushahidullah Khan and the ARD information secretary, Syed Zafar Ali Shah, alleged at a press conference that the GHQ project was the most expensive project in the country’s history.

They were not against the construction of the new GHQ but were opposing the launching of a housing project in the name of defence needs, said Mr Rafiq.

He claimed the new GHQ being constructed over 2,450 acres in the federal capital’s prime sectors of E-10 and D-11 would cost $2.4 billion and would be the world’s largest GHQ when finished. He said the cost did not include the price of the land which the Ministry of Defence bought from the Capital Development Authority at a throwaway price.

When completed the new GHQ would be the eighth wonder of the world, he said, asserting that it would be the only GHQ which would have large bungalows, luxury apartments and commercial buildings.

He said that according to his information, there would be 90 bungalows of six bed rooms, 300 bungalows of four bed rooms and 14,750 luxury apartments.

Besides this, he said, three lakes covering 45 acres would be created inside the complex. Some 40 blocks of quarters for non- commissioned army officers would also be built.

Mr Rafiq disclosed that the complex would have 12 schools and two colleges for the children of officers serving in the GHQ. There would be 8 to 10 big community centres with play areas for children and four multipurpose halls in the complex.

It would be the only GHQ in the world to have commercial high-rise buildings, he said, expressing surprise that just 200 acres of the total 2,450 acres had been earmarked for office buildings.

Mr Rafiq asked the military leadership not to put “this huge financial burden on the poor people of the country”. He took exception to the statement of Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz that the GHQ was being built by army through sale of its own lands.

He asserted that the military lands belonged to the federal and provincial governments. “What will we do if tomorrow Pakistan railways starts selling its lands to build its head office in the same fashion?” he asked.

He called for stopping work at the site. He said the nation would have no objection, if this amount was spent on the purchase of defence equipment.

The PML-N leaders said that a few “ruling generals” were bringing bad name to the armed forces, which had already become controversial due to their indulgence in politics.

source: http://www.dawn.com/2005/12/03/nat1.htm

fukking greedy generals.

but i hope its open for everyone to visit so it can create some tourism.

I am vehemently opposed to this project.
When the army has so much money that it starts spending it on building luxury GHQ's with luxury apartments for its officers that will be the "8th wonder of the world", when half the country is going without education, proper healthcare and proper infrastructural facilities, thats when you KNOW you need to cut funding for the army.
If the army has so much extra funds, it should be investing in upgrading its machinery or in better training of its soldiers. Not in lavish schemes like this. Our army is kinda getting out of hand.

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I cant help but swear f*****g p****s, THE MOST STUPID IDEA EVER. I just wanna these stupid idiots. SELFISH bastards, THEY DONT EVEN GIVE A SHIT ABT PAK. HOPE THEY ROT IN HELL

there is a freakin reason why they are building a GHQ ...

They are simply assumptions by the PML. Its a political fight really so its biased in my opinion.

why would pakistan want to have the worlds biggest GHQ, i think the army has forgetton about the poor.

it would be better if they build this as a housing scheme for everyone.

Army shouldn't be building housing schemes in the first place. What is the purpose of an army? the defence of the country. And THAT should be it!

The army needs housing as well?

wat the F is DHA, its the most luxury place in pak, and those fools even got most of the apartments in creek city, and all the high end plots in isloo dha.

Do you know how much a average soldier enlisted in the army receives?

Let me tell you its a whole lot of cash!

I have a uncle who is a Brigadier General and he has 3 huge houses. Offcourse he used his money to pay for all of them. We have 720,000 soldiers in the army alone and thats not counting the navy and the airforce.

Do you know how much a average soldier enlisted in the army receives?

Let me tell you its a whole lot of cash!

I have a uncle who is a Brigadier General and he has 3 huge houses. Offcourse he used his money to pay for all of them. We have 720,000 soldiers in the army alone and thats not counting the navy and the airforce.
yeah agree with u but most of them(out of 720,000) are below the rank of captain and i bet u that they will get nothing

pak army sucks
go to hell you b.......... :bash: :bash: :bash:

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I wonder how much you would have regretted that statement if you were living in Lahore during the 1965 war.

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I wonder how much you would have regretted that statement if you were living in Lahore during the 1965 war.

lolzzzzz :hahaha: :nuts: this is like defending our current government by saying: I wonder how much you would have regret that statement if you were living in pakistan during the 1947 hahahahaha

^^UP is right, but still this is going to be very expensive but Im sure they will build it.

Im hoping they wont build it.

they should build it. and im on for it.

The road between F-9 & F10 is being extended called ramna avenue is being extende by makig tunnel in margalla hills. This road shall pass through the proposed GHQ. This is being made as emergency exit for GHQ. The cost of road only is estimated to be 15 billion rupees the amont equal to LRR project.The estimated cost of total the project is Rs. 200 billion. This project is the most expensive project in the history of Pakistan. It is primarily being made for Gen Musharaf as he has to travel between rawalpindi & Islamabad twice daily(to safe guard both his offices). This shifting shall further ease the army generals for toppling of civil Govts. This will also finish the dependancy of COAS on rawalpindi core commander. These are the benefits of new GHQ. This project shall change the destiny of ?

The road between F-9 & F10 is being extended called ramna avenue is being extende by makig tunnel in margalla hills. This road shall pass through the proposed GHQ. This is being made as emergency exit for GHQ. The cost of road only is estimated to be 15 billion rupees the amont equal to LRR project.The estimated cost of total the project is Rs. 200 billion. This project is the most expensive project in the history of Pakistan. It is primarily being made for Gen Musharaf as he has to travel between rawalpindi & Islamabad twice daily(to safe guard both his offices). This shifting shall further ease the army generals for toppling of civil Govts. This will also finish the dependancy of COAS on rawalpindi core commander. These are the benefits of new GHQ. This project shall change the destiny of ?

And the source for your info. is?!?!?!?

if it is made, lets hope it turns out like DHA, were rich ppl can also join the party. :)

army has going to sell a lot of land for commercial uses in many cities especially in near new airport of lahore,garisson park and all area connected to aziz shaheed road cantt in Sialkot,sargodha,Islamabad and other cities. for the purpose of new GHQ.last days they have sold a plot near lahore airport to pace deveopers.they will build new GHQ with their own expenses so we dont need worry.
Thats why our opposition leaders didnt realize about the expenses of GHQ.otherwise we know our politics....

army has going to sell a lot of land for commercial uses in many cities especially in near new airport of lahore,garisson park and all area connected to aziz shaheed road cantt in Sialkot,sargodha,Islamabad and other cities. for the purpose of new GHQ.last days they have sold a plot near lahore airport to pace deveopers.they will build new GHQ with their own expenses so we dont need worry.
Thats why our opposition leaders didnt realize about the expenses of GHQ.otherwise we know our politics....
This land is not property of generals. The money thus earned must be used on two important projects.
1. Purchase of F-16
2. Manufacturing of long range missiles.
The projects are very imprtant for us security wise. The owners of contonment property are people of pkistan not the generals.
Govt has already pended Project no.1 i.e purchase of F-16 for want of funds.

Basically Army gets the shit*iest areas and turns it into a gold mine by sheer effort and management.
For example the area in Karachi which comprises the DHA was acquired when nobody would even p*ss on that land. Due to good management and enforcement of laws the area turned into one of the most expensive because everybody wanted to buy a house there. The army does not make money out of it as the plots are alotted/sold to army officers at cheap prices. The officers pay for the plots all their life from their meagre salary through all their service lives. However after they get posession of the plot then they can sell that plot at a high price as a lot of people want to go and live in DHA (as its well managed and things work).
So as you see its the effort of the army which turns a crap piece of worthless land into one of the best living societies available in Pakistan.
The Army is a true welfare association and we should use it as a role model to apply the welfare concept in all parts of our society.

absolutely i dont get it why these people like bullshitting crap about army...if the army wasent there today there would not be any pakistan. f-16's cant be purchased by seeling some land in a couple of cities. but sorry no "hum hain hi naa shukreee"" bakwas to har halat mey karni hai. im totally disguisted!!!
even when sania has posted that a lot of the land will sold to finance the GHQ ... and amde it clear money is not being taken out of other areas ..then wats left to comlain. :bash: :bash: :bash:

Pakistanis have this typical jahil mentality to think negative always and never stick together. Organizations such as the ARD should be burned alive for the crap they try to pull. Its just the jahil mentality...

Yeah it's a Pakistani past time. Basically it goes like:
Sit around and waste time.
Criticize anyone who is doing something positive.
Talk bullcrap about any positive thing happening in the country.
Discussing how world leaders should be running their countries.
Sit around and waste time some more.

And then talk shit about your own nation without any prior knowledge in front of people from other nations.

well if you like this project you are either part of the army or related to them, simple as that.

if pakistan can cancel the f-16s deal because of the earthquake then this should also be canceled. if you dnt think so then your a retarted general

well if you like this project you are either part of the army or related to them, simple as that.

if pakistan can cancel the f-16s deal because of the earthquake then this should also be canceled. if you dnt think so then your a retarted general
That such a ignorant remark to make pakboy. First of all the Military of Pakistan has a 4 billion dollar budget and in that budget we support the Army, Navy, and Airforce. This project's money is coming out of the military's pocket from their OWN budget. By the way Pakistan did not cancel the deal for the F-16's but they simple postponed it because of the Earthquake. This month we will be negotiating the transaction with the US. We are also looking at a other option that has opened up and that is the Sweedish Gripen. Also make note this is not a purchase for weapons that are badly needed by the military its a housing scheme for the soldiers that protect your investments in Pakistan and the people of Pakistan. But i guess your clouded views on the military could be because you do not live in Pakistan and have never resided there. Once you live in Pakistan you will realized that without the brave military we would have nothing. PAKISTAN WOULD NOT EXIST

Basically Army gets the shit*iest areas and turns it into a gold mine by sheer effort and management.
For example the area in Karachi which comprises the DHA was acquired when nobody would even p*ss on that land. Due to good management and enforcement of laws the area turned into one of the most expensive because everybody wanted to buy a house there. The army does not make money out of it as the plots are alotted/sold to army officers at cheap prices. The officers pay for the plots all their life from their meagre salary through all their service lives. However after they get posession of the plot then they can sell that plot at a high price as a lot of people want to go and live in DHA (as its well managed and things work).
So as you see its the effort of the army which turns a crap piece of worthless land into one of the best living societies available in Pakistan.
The Army is a true welfare association and we should use it as a role model to apply the welfare concept in all parts of our society.

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DHA was turned into a great scheme not because the army put sheer effort and hard work into it, it was because they hired top architechs and planners to design it.

you can do anything if you have money

as they say in pakistan, PAISA BOLTA HAI

therefore the army has everything eventhough they are lazy fat pigs and all they do is sit in the big mansions, watching tv in there home theaters, sleep on there waterbeds, relax in there home jacuzzi. and when they feel like shopping they will take a trip to switzerland and stay in there luxury villa.

and whos paying for that, YOU ARE, from your taxes ofcourse.



SO PLEASE DO NOT SPEARD SUCH CRAP JUST BECAUSE YOUR PART OR RELATED TO THE ARMY.

DHA was turned into a great scheme not because the army put sheer effort and hard work into it, it was because they hired top architechs and planners to design it.
Yeah, so the Army paid money and used EFFORT to hire these top architects and planners. Your point is?

therefore the army has everything eventhough they are lazy fat pigs and all they do is sit in the big mansions, watching tv in there home theaters, sleep on there waterbeds, relax in there home jacuzzi. and when they feel like shopping they will take a trip to switzerland and stay in there luxury villa.
They are lazy fat pigs that saved Lahore from utter destruction in 1965 right?
You have a really bad generalized view of the military yet you do not understand the institution! Please refer to my posts talking about Pakistanis talk about subjects they can not comprehend. Pakistan would not exist without them and you would not call yourself a Pakistani

and whos paying for that, YOU ARE, from your taxes ofcourse.
LMAO how many people in Pakistan pay taxes? Hardly any of those jahil haramis pay their taxes.


SO PLEASE DO NOT SPEARD SUCH CRAP JUST BECAUSE YOUR PART OR RELATED TO THE ARMY.[/QUOTE]
Why not?
I have a first hand view of what our army is really about and i can curb your fear of the military.

That such a ignorant remark to make pakboy. First of all the Military of Pakistan has a 4 billion dollar budget and in that budget we support the Army, Navy, and Airforce. This project's money is coming out of the military's pocket from their OWN budget. By the way Pakistan did not cancel the deal for the F-16's but they simple postponed it because of the Earthquake. This month we will be negotiating the transaction with the US. We are also looking at a other option that has opened up and that is the Sweedish Gripen. Also make note this is not a purchase for weapons that are badly needed by the military its a housing scheme for the soldiers that protect your investments in Pakistan and the people of Pakistan. But i guess your clouded views on the military could be because you do not live in Pakistan and have never resided there. Once you live in Pakistan you will realized that without the brave military we would have nothing. PAKISTAN WOULD NOT EXIST


who cares if its coming out there own pocket, if thats the case then like the article said “What will we do if tomorrow Pakistan railways starts selling its lands to build its head office in the same fashion?”

another bad thing is that this might even set a trend for all organizations in pakistan to sell of there land to make luxary head offices.

and as for this being a housing scheme to protect the army, they allready have the poshest areas in pakistan.

and i might not live in pakistan but i go there evey year and what do i see, generals driving around in the mercs, eating out at mm alam road resturants, and all the money is coming from your taxes.


and dnt say cr@P like they protect you cos thats there JOB, every army in the world has that job but they dnt enjoy these luxeries, not even the us army has these luxarys.

Yeah, so the Army paid money and used EFFORT to hire these top architects and planners. Your point is?.

yep they used your taxes to hire them, you telling me thats a good thing.

and there is no effort involved in asking architects and planners to design estates.


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They are lazy fat pigs that saved Lahore from utter destruction in 1965 right?
You have a really bad generalized view of the military yet you do not understand the institution! Please refer to my posts talking about Pakistanis talk about subjects they can not comprehend. Pakistan would not exist without them and you would not call yourself a Pakistani .

LOL, that is a joke.

wat they did in 1965 was there job. if they done there job that doesnt mean they deserve to live like kings.



LMAO how many people in Pakistan pay taxes? Hardly any of those jahil haramis pay their taxes..

yes and the ones that do pay taxes, what happens to them, they go to the generals.

yep they used your taxes to hire them, you telling me thats a good thing.
Yes it is!!

They used our tax money to effectively develop the area. So yes our money was put in good use for once.

and there is no effort involved in asking architects and planners to design estates.
You would know this how? Have you ever been in the process of building a house from the ground up and negotiating with the architects?

wat they did in 1965 was there job. if they done there job that doesnt mean they deserve to live like kings.
No, But it means you should treat the protectors of the motherland with some respect instead of hurling names at them. Many of these men died to protect Pakistan yet you speak like this about them? Thats sad...

yes and the ones that do pay taxes, what happens to them, they go to the generals.
Once again you are showing your ignorance on the setup of the Pakistani military. :sleepy:

Maybe this show i recorded just for you would help you understand the sacrificies of the Pakistani military.

Click Here (http://www.pakcafe.com/MeDiA/ShOwS/nishanehaider1.mpg)

Yes it is!!

They used our tax money to effectively develop the area. So yes our money was put in good use for once.
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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

giving the army luxry estates is a good use, LOL

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You would know this how? Have you ever been in the process of building a house from the ground up and negotiating with the architects?:

have you heard of project managers



No, But it means you should treat the protectors of the motherland with some respect instead of hurling names at them. Many of these men died to protect Pakistan yet you speak like this about them? Thats sad...:

they deserve it, just because they are the protectors of the country doent mean there kings,


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Once again you are showing your ignorance on the setup of the Pakistani military. :sleepy:

you are obvously related to the army of pakistan. some of your comments are quite laughtable.

just go to pakistan and ask any man on the street what they think of the army and there views would be no different to mine.

Maybe this show i recorded just for you would help you understand the sacrificies of the Pakistani military.

Click Here (http://www.pakcafe.com/MeDiA/ShOwS/nishanehaider1.mpg)


its something done by the military of all countrys, its there JOB

what dnt you understand by that.

they deserve it, just because they are the protectors of the country doent mean there kings,





You need to be taught some respect! :bash:

I respect the Pakistani Army greatly but I feel that their role and their funding should be limited. Right now, it seems like the army is getting the best share of the cake at the expense of the civilians.

Even though the army is our protector, CIVILIANS COME FIRST!

have you heard of project managers
Are you going to continue to go into such desperation?

you are obvously related to the army of pakistan. some of your comments are quite laughtable.
Like what? I never knew someone could be related to a military :eek2:

just go to pakistan and ask any man on the street what they think of the army and there views would be no different to mine.
HAHA!

I have lived in Pakistan for 3 years i think i have much more experience in this than you do. :sleepy: You are the one who should go on the street and ask what they think about the military instead of shooting of steam and making assumptions.

its something done by the military of all countrys, its there JOB

what dnt you understand by that.
Because you dont respect the people who died to protect people like you. What a waste :sleepy:

They used our tax money to effectively develop the area. So yes our money was put in good use for once.



Yes, but after developing, they took it too!

As far as DHA goes, whats done is done. But I wouldnt want to see more luxury condos being built for the generals in newer areas.

You need to be taught some respect! :bash:

I respect the Pakistani Army greatly but I feel that their role and their funding should be limited. Right now, it seems like the army is getting the best share of the cake at the expense of the civilians.

Even though the army is our protector, CIVILIANS COME FIRST!
This is the reply Pakboy should have had if he had any sense of what he was saying.

Now I think on the other hand the budget is quite justifiable if you look at India's budget of 15 billion. Pakistan needs to defend itself first and then everything else comes into play. Without a military you wont have a economy.

Yes, but after developing, they took it too!

As far as DHA goes, whats done is done. But I wouldnt want to see more luxury condos being built for the generals in newer areas.
Yeah, well they did own the land and spend their own money so its justifiable. Another issue is that you guys seem to believe that the general's use the Pakistani military's money for their homes and all but they actually use the money they get paid. Its their money they can do with it as they please.

Are you going to continue to go into such desperation?.

its called a FACT, which you finding hard to swallow.


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Like what? I never knew someone could be related to a military :eek2: .

well you obviously have some relations with them

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HAHA!

I have lived in Pakistan for 3 years i think i have much more experience in this than you do. :sleepy: You are the one who should go on the street and ask what they think about the military instead of shooting of steam and making assumptions.


wat does living in pakistan have to do about this?

give up dude, you are making a joke of yourself.

Yeah, well they did own the land and spend their own money so its justifiable. Another issue is that you guys seem to believe that the general's use the Pakistani military's money for their homes and all but they actually use the money they get paid. Its their money they can do with it as they please.


yes but areas like DHA are made from YOUR MONEY, and most of the houses in DHA go to them for cheaper just like creek city.

and also the generals get a over paid salery especialy the retired ones.

its called a FACT, which you finding hard to swallow.
Most of the people have already shared my views so it seems as if your having quite the hard time accepting that you are wrong.

well you obviously have some relations with them
So what? Why did you even bring it up its not like its helping your cause.

wat does living in pakistan have to do about this?
Expat Pakistanis have a completely diffrent view about everything compared to your regular Pakistani.

give up dude, you are making a joke of yourself
:nuts: :blahblah: :|

yes but areas like DHA are made from YOUR MONEY, and most of the houses in DHA go to them for cheaper just like creek city.

and also the generals get a over paid salery especialy the retired ones.
You continue to show your ignorance again...

Lets just say if you gave the ministers the job of creating a DHA like enviroment your tax dollars would be in their pocket. In this case they built DHA and it was a complete success.

Ok since you are making claim's out of your ass i am going to ask you a couple of questions.

How much do general's get paid?

How much do retired general's make?

im not even gona go any further, your just a silly ass licking general who is finding it hard to digest the facts.

it is quite clear to everyone how greedy your army is, your love for them is a joke and your baseless comments are embrassing you.

and it is quite clear who is ignorant here.


continue posting the shit coming out your ass on here, cos im off, LATERS

im not even gona go any further, your just a silly ass licking general who is finding it hard to digest the facts.

it is quite clear to everyone how greedy your army is, your love for them is a joke and your baseless comments are embrassing you.

and it is quite clear who is ignorant here.


continue posting the shit coming out your ass on here, cos im off, LATERS
The guy is having difficulty answering my questions so he decided to talk crap. Shaabash... :nuts:

Humari fauj hiythaar karakay PakBoy ko kehtain hain tho jaah laari laar. :lol: WE ARE DOOMED :rofl:

Yeah, well they did own the land and spend their own money so its justifiable. Another issue is that you guys seem to believe that the general's use the Pakistani military's money for their homes and all but they actually use the money they get paid. Its their money they can do with it as they please.


NOOOOO WAYY!

That does not justify DHA in any way! The government gave the army loads of scrap land, they developed it, then they kept it as prime real estate. How simple is that!
Where are the civilians being offered loads of scrap land??
The army budget is the highest because even apart from all the military needs, services people get loads of fringe benefits. All at the expense of the rest of the people. Anybody in the army quickly becomes one of the elite whereas fifty percent of the civilians dont even have access to proper sanitation. This does not seem right in any way. The Army is made to serve and protect. Not so we serve them.

The army has a budget and they stay within it. End of story

^^ it has a hyperinflated budget

offcourse army is protetor not only in our defence,in any time of difficulty our army help us including earthquake,floods etc.

30 to 40 Brigadiers & generals are alloted plots every year in the contonment area for Rs.16000/- per Kanal for residentail plots & Rs. 32,000/ for commercial plot of 8 marla. This is in addition to the plots alloted in DHA. (on the places like cavalary ground).Also on retirement every Brigadier level officer gets one kanal double storey home. For this land is given free of cost in the prime area. All these brigadiers have not even fought war even for a single day. UP tell me what army generals have done for there Jawans(JCOs). They dont participate inwars? only generals go on forward basis.

NOOOOO WAYY!

That does not justify DHA in any way! The government gave the army loads of scrap land, they developed it, then they kept it as prime real estate. How simple is that!
Where are the civilians being offered loads of scrap land??


Wasn't expecting ignorant remarks from you swerveut.

All govt. officers are eligible to get plots/housing if they opt for it. For this reason all govt. departments are alloted pieces of land and/or buildings which they allot to the officers in the department who opt for it.
Same is the case with army and as it is the biggest institution thus it ends up with more land (directly proportional to employees).

Civilians are not offered scrap land as Pakistan is not a welfare state. That was my point that the Govt. model can be used in all of Pakistan and plots could be allocated to people who opt for such and pay the money as installments through their working lives (or pay a lump sum).

Also pay in the private sector is much more than in the public sector so by the time a private sector employee retires he/she has enough savings to buy some property.
Public sector pays are half or less than half of private sector employees and it would be impossible for public sector emplyees to buy any property without such housing societies.

And DHA is actually a good example of how a society should be run. The money spent on the development comes from within the society in the form of maintenance charges which all residents pay...so pakboy is incorrect when he says that taxes are spent on DHA development.
Nobody hires any architects as Army itself has an engineering corps with civil engineers who make a master plan of the shitty piece of land and then the authority incharge of that society implements all the rules and thus everyone ends up wanting a plot in that area...it is the demand by the private sector for plots in DHA which hikes the prices.

30 to 40 Brigadiers & generals are alloted plots every year in the contonment area for Rs.16000/- per Kanal for residentail plots & Rs. 32,000/ for commercial plot of 8 marla. This is in addition to the plots alloted in DHA. (on the places like cavalary ground).Also on retirement every Brigadier level officer gets one kanal double storey home. For this land is given free of cost in the prime area. All these brigadiers have not even fought war even for a single day. UP tell me what army generals have done for there Jawans(JCOs). They dont participate inwars? only generals go on forward basis.


i also have a home in cavlary ground, not quite suprising but both my neighbors are retired generals who got there home for free.

i also have a home in cavlary ground, not quite suprising but both my neighbors are retired generals who got there home for free.

Nobody gets the home for free. They pay throughout their service lives a monthly installment from their salaries.
Considering the public sector salaries..the monthly installment is a big chunk of the salary.

Private sector people like yourself are able to afford the house because of higher pays in the private sector.
And as we can see both are now living side by side at the same standard of living. :D

I hope PakBoy likes my new avatar :lol:

pakboy just quit with your crap ure wining over the same issue over and over again DHA DHA DHA....united pakistan has done a great job in expalning...so what part do u not get. if i make my 8 year cosuin read what he wrote she'll understand it too so wat part again i repeat do you not get!!!

I've lived in Pakistan more than most of you guys and the views of the people with whom I've discussed politics etc. mostly had negative views about the Army... especially, the generals/brigadiers etc. are simply despised! I personally have nothing against the havaldars and the likes but simply HATE these power and money hungry Generals! I have relatives in armed forces who I believe are honest people - they tell stories of how generals etc. are into making money through illegal means! The beauracray despise these generals because of them their promotions have stopped! These army men retire and are then posted as ambassadors to important countries. They spend all their lives collecting wealth and what not and are then given high-paid jobs after retirement which are specifically civilian jobs! No wonder people hate them so much!
As for army and real estate is concerned, this is another sad thing about these so-called "defenders" - they're very much into black-marketeering of DHA plots/files.

Well maybe you were living in North Waziristan or something but my experience is opposite to yours.
People are proud of the army and young people inspire to join it.

Only the most competent people are sent as ambassadors or are put on important posts in the public sector and a general is usually one of the best administrator with a lifetime of invaluable experience. There are lot of non military related ambassadors too..e.g. Maliha Lodhi was ambassador to US and now is high commissioner in UK.

Well maybe you were living in North Waziristan or something but my experience is opposite to yours.
People are proud of the army and young people inspire to join it.

Only the most competent people are sent as ambassadors or are put on important posts in the public sector and a general is usually one of the best administrator with a lifetime of invaluable experience. There are lot of non military related ambassadors too..e.g. Maliha Lodhi was ambassador to US and now is high commissioner in UK.
I agree!

Even if you watch Pakistani tv its blatent that the army is loved. How many music videos have come out about that airforce?
SO MANY!!

Its a product that appeals to people. :)

pakboy just quit with your crap ure wining over the same issue over and over again DHA DHA DHA....united pakistan has done a great job in expalning...so what part do u not get. if i make my 8 year cosuin read what he wrote she'll understand it too so wat part again i repeat do you not get!!!


maybe your to thick headed are retarded to actully see the facts.

im sure your 8 year old cosin can read and explain it because its trash, even he will understand those are fake lame comments which arnt getting throught your head.

like i said and huit said, army is a hated thing in pakistan, they dnt get bashed around for no reason.

and quit talking crap UP, ary has aired so many discussion programes were army get bashed. even the callers critize them.

so cut the crap out

LOL yeah those who can't get in criticize it.
pakboy did you get rejected by ISSB or something.

LOL yeah those who can't get in criticize it.
pakboy did you get rejected by ISSB or something.


WoW

great comment couldnt you think of somehting better. :sleepy:

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY OFF TOPIC!! :locked:

ok though this discussion has nothing to do with the title of the thread but I will contribute to this unhealthy discussion too :)
Ok, my honest opinion based on my experience of living in Pakistan for long time is that the army as an organisation or entity is much loved in Pakistan and taking army as career is still high on a vast majority of educated young boys. On the other hand, army generals are generally disliked or seen with suspicion.

Pakboy seems to never accept everyone elses opinions. And I refuse to observe opinions from someone who is not willing to listen to others. This is a severe sign of immaturity. Inshallah as time goes on and when you grow up god will give you some sense and you will learn the fundamentals of reality.

you know what pakboy ill tell u sumthing ....since the past five years what ever i read about the pakistan economy is good. articles from ADB, WB, IMF, and even bias newspapers like NY times and washington ppostt all aprreciate pakistan and musharraf for turning the economy around. wtf would u have said when pakistan would have defaulted in 1999 with only money enough for 1 week of imports. foreign exchange reserves of 350 million. today from exports to reserves to FDI to GDP per capita ALLLL have more then doubled. WHY??? maybe youre just thick headed and yea btw my cousin REALLY is more mature then you after speciall lokking at the crap you have written you really disgust and i seriosuly feel sorry for u. now i wont reply and you can write what ever you want. i dont believe the words coming out of your mouth i believe what articles facts and figures tell me.

Pakboy seems to never accept everyone elses opinions. And I refuse to observe opinions from someone who is not willing to listen to others. This is a severe sign of immaturity. Inshallah as time goes on and when you grow up god will give you some sense and you will learn the fundamentals of reality.


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UP talking about accepting someones opinions and immatuity haha, this must be a joke.

you know what pakboy ill tell u sumthing ....since the past five years what ever i read about the pakistan economy is good. articles from ADB, WB, IMF, and even bias newspapers like NY times and washington ppostt all aprreciate pakistan and musharraf for turning the economy around. wtf would u have said when pakistan would have defaulted in 1999 with only money enough for 1 week of imports. foreign exchange reserves of 350 million. today from exports to reserves to FDI to GDP per capita ALLLL have more then doubled. WHY??? maybe youre just thick headed and yea btw my cousin REALLY is more mature then you after speciall lokking at the crap you have written you really disgust and i seriosuly feel sorry for u. now i wont reply and you can write what ever you want. i dont believe the words coming out of your mouth i believe what articles facts and figures tell me.


what does the military have to do with the economy.

the economy is run by the goverment, its the ministers that have been running it, and yes musharaf has done a good job but what does the military hace to do with it. :runaway:

your lack of knoledge just shows how much crap your talking.

Ok baba i guess all of us have expressed our opinions 'dil khol kay' now lets lock this thread and go home.

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UP talking about accepting someones opinions and immatuity haha, this must be a joke.
I believe the incorrect grammer used in your sentences explains it all. Not to mention the fact that you do not respect other's opinions and have to resort to flaming to get your point across. :hahaha:

Topic Locked:

Too much bitching and flaming in this thread.