Name: Four Seasons
Floors: ?
Height: 320m
Use: Hotel

http://i5.tinypic.com/242beyf.jpg

Height rethink no tall order at Four Seasons
By Mark Johnson, Business Editor

http://www.gulfnews.com/images/05/12/08/09_bus_height_4.jpg
"The most exceptional part of our product is delivered through the people side of the business" - Isadore Sharp. Vazhisojan/Gulf News


Dubai: The Four Seasons Hotel currently under construction at the Dubai Festival City site will rise to 320-metres, just a metre shorter than the landmark Burj Al Arab.

Isadore Sharp, the charismatic founder and chairman of the Four Seasons Hotels and Resorts, was in Dubai to meet with Al Futtaim Group, developers of the 2,000-acre Festival City project. In an exclusive interview with Gulf News he revealed blueprints for the hotel's size had been revised upwards.

"We have been meeting with developers to make the final decisions on how tall the hotel will be and I think it's been settled at around 320 metres. It will be a major high-rise tower on the Dubai skyline," he said.

When the project was first announced in September last year, it was reported the five-star luxury hotel would contain 250 rooms and villas. However this has also now been increased.

"Although the concept is the same, with a mixed-use component in the form of a residential development, our hotel will now have more than 350 rooms, including suites and what we call a garden low-rise complex," said Sharp.

The hotel tower will also contain a residential element and the Four Seasons group, which signed a deal for a 300-room hotel in Abu Dhabi back in September, will also manage and operate the festival city's golf resort and spa.

The development is expected to open in mid 2008. As with most other hotels in the emirate the facilities on offer at the Four Seasons will be on a par with other five-star locations in the emirate, offering luxuries now expected when visiting Dubai.

However, Sharp said the Four Seasons Dubai promised to be an 'emotional' experience for guests. "Luxury today is not about architecture and décor any more, it is about an exceptional experience.

"At Four Seasons, we aim to create an emotional product and everything has to meet that expectation." He said he welcomed the arrival of new players into the market like Giorgio Armani also in town this week who's first Armani-branded hotel at Burj Dubai is due to open in 2008.

"Beauty, aesthetics and every type of facility are expected, but the staff that populate your hotel are what really make the stay special.

"The most exceptional part of our product is delivered through the people side of the business," added Sharp.

320m!!!!!!! :eek:


giles - please tell us how many floors!

this is great and on the creek as well

:happy:

sa boy any chance for a render or anything?
you promised us there will be a real stunning 300+ coming from you :D

Yeah Baby

Yeahhhhhhhhhhh!!!

:drunk: :cheers2: :cheers1:

Today I'm going out!!!!!!!!

Excellent news, I'm very happy.... What a great location.... and what an amazing hotel brand.... Wow.... news like this makes me very excited ;O) THIS IS SERIOUS STUFF! :cheers:

btw giles what abt height restrictions? not the planned ones but the current?

320m! now that was a total surprise!

I was wondering also the height restrictions :dunno:

Waiting for the render

failrly close to the airport for that height, but it will need a few friends to keep it company, as al aweer, rashidiya and the industrial zones arent exactly the most picturesque of neighbourhoods....

I WANT more skyscrapers in the area. :bash:

Make it happen... someone! lol

...which means, waiting for giles :D

:cheers:

Ok guys im here, cant tell you anything Im sorry but its a stunner and will be the one of the best if not the best looking towers in Dubai.

It looks like dubai lover was right when he said they'd shit on these height restrictions ;)

height restrictions exist and this is OK at that height

now then it is really ridiculous to make a height limit on SZR with the current limit along 300m + towers in DFC

Hmm, The Spire looks like it doesnt belongs there...

Why not make it 322 m, to become world's second tallest hotel, rather than 3rd when completed.

DFC is probably the most interesting project so far in dubai.

agree with you bahraini


Hmm, The Spire looks like it doesnt belongs there...


:weirdo:

where can you see a render?

Ok guys im here, cant tell you anything Im sorry but its a stunner and will be the one of the best if not the best looking towers in Dubai.

when can we expect more info
it takes festival city long to reveal details

so much is under c and no info :(

better than releasing a tower and nothing happens for ages .. :bash:

Just wait guys, am sure it'll be good. Four Seasons will be great, just look at their new Bahrain tower and you'll know why (they said it'll be the tallest in the country, so 280-300 m, maybe more).

I think the gulf influenced the four seasons to be in towers :).

Dubai: The Four Seasons Hotel currently under construction at the Dubai Festival City site will rise to 320-metres, just a metre shorter than the landmark Burj Al Arab.

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We have been meeting with developers to make the final decisions on how tall the hotel will be and I think it's been settled at around 320 metres.

How can a newspaper article can contradict itself within 3 paragraphs ^ ^
If the developer says 'around 320m' it means it could be 315m as well as 325. So there's definitely a chance for it to be taller than Burj Al Arab.

4Seasons will deliver BIG on this one, fo sho~~


:)

it wont be taller than Burj Al Arab

The Rose tower is already set to out build Burj Al Arab anyways

so is the emirates hotel

so is park square tower hotel :D

giles - can you at least tell us how many storeys it has?
or is it still subject to change?

still a bit in flux

cool
this means it doesn't have a long spire
maybe no spire at all

Isn't the Dubai Festival City located pretty close to the airport? I'm surprised they are allowed to build a 320m tower there. Anyway I'm looking forward to the rendering.

let's say it this way
it shouldn't be closer to the airport
close to the limit i'd say

This'll have 400 hotel rooms and will be surrounded by villas according to http://www.emiratestenders.com/

giles.. a render.. a small one... please... :D

ok just tell us when can we expect one??

an offical release will be soon as in weeks away

let's hope it really will be a stunner

Will have a spire or a 4.5m floor hight.

i'm looking forward to a really futuristic tower, which will certainly look great on the creek
i have high expectations in festival city as it is not emaar and not nakheel

believe me guys the wait will be worth it . I may be bias but it will be the best looking tower in Dubai-By a long way

^ And thinking that Al Futtaim is the dealer for the dullest, most boring, vanilla cars. :D

now that sounds promising
i'm sure you look the futuristic designs more

i have a good feeling now :D

Ok press release this week . And I want honest opinions on this tower from you all

Ok press release this week . And I want honest opinions on this tower from you all

u got it. bring on the renders. :D

yepp go for it. can't wait.

AND we want everything from you, height ,renders, more renders, location etc :D:D

and we will judge it, believe us. ;)
our opinions will be independent, free, hard and true. :D
criticism will be even worse because you designed it and promised us a top of the line tower.

high standards, my friend :)

Hope it will really be over 300 meters!!!

why not? lol, if giles says so...

its deffinatly over 300m.

320m was stated in the press release so this is definite

i'm really excited

are you personally involved in the design or the project in general?

its my baby. 320 mis the height limit and we are looking at acheving that but it may be a bit less to get the proportions right but will deffinatly be over 300m

still waiting......

:rofl: week has just yet started :weird:

oh your baby giles, so excited, who is the mother ;) ?

Pickard Chilton, same architects doing the Four Seasons in KL

anouncment delayed due to the passing of Sheikh Maktoum. will be done in first week of Feb

Dang!

Ah well.

:( i seriously hope it is worth the wait giles ;)

have a look at their website and what they do
pretty good stuff
website seems to have some trouble though :weird:

http://www.pickardchilton.com

http://www.pickardchilton.com/imgs/symphony_main_1.jpg

http://www.pickardchilton.com/imgs/fourseasons_main_1.jpg

http://www.pickardchilton.com/imgs/maisonneuve_main_1.jpg

first one would be good. :)

Not impressed by those. Waiting for the real stuf.

I think they look good, although i hope the real stuff is even better

They only have one day in this week for the press release!!!

read the thread please and you will notice that giles told us the press release has been postponed to beginning of february due to Sheikh Maktoum's death.

i really like this one (the first one)

such towers would fit perfectly in business bay :omg:


we need more futuristic towers to have a good mix

ours better be taller than all of those :bash: :D

we are a bit taller than the tallest one in the middle pic in KL. Thats 72F and 319m. the first pic is in Atlanta and is almost complete.
They are a great firm and specalise in tall buildings. similar type of architecture to KPF, pelli, SOM

we are a bit taller than the tallest one in the middle pic in KL. Thats 72F and 319m. the first pic is in Atlanta and is almost complete.
They are a great firm and specalise in tall buildings. similar type of architecture to KPF, pelli, SOM

I thought the city scape in that first pic looked familiar. :D

So it will be taller. Cool! :D

we are a bit taller than the tallest one in the middle pic in KL. Thats 72F and 319m. the first pic is in Atlanta and is almost complete.
They are a great firm and specalise in tall buildings. similar type of architecture to KPF, pelli, SOM
Does the Four Seasons height include a spire?

no spire, all building

no spire, all building

all the better! :D

i am really excited now giles :D

So press release next week then?

it should happen the next few days, before friday i assume
very excited, like a small baby :D

a BIG baby :D:D

SEVERAL babies excited here for this one~~ :D :D :D

more pictures of 1180peachtree......i like pickard chilton very nice and class firm,put me down on this list of people who are dying to see the rendering>>

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/four0four/m1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/four0four/m6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/four0four/m10.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/four0four/m7.jpg

??? no news???

So, it's the last day of the week.

It's time for the report!!!!!!!!

Giles, now. :rant: we are expecting news.

delays in the public announcement , its comming soon

how soon?

hours? days? weeks? months?

it's driving me crazy :D

i want to see it now

one last questions though, when can we expect it, hopefully this month!

weeks

weeks

nooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why the delay, Giles, whats happened?

We DEMAND an explanation!! :)

apparently waiting for the end of the official mourning period for Shk Maktoum

apparently waiting for the end of the official mourning period for Shk Maktoum

oh, ok. I guess that is a valid reason.

The mourning period should end on the 14th of Feb, as it will be 40 days since his passing. So we can expect an announcement on the 15th.

Thanks, Giles, u r too good to us! :)

he said weeks, i doubt feb 12 to feb 14 are weeks, except if you were talking about 2007.

arghhh

i also doubt that 2 days are weeks :D

keeps up the tension though ;)

now let's finish this discussion and wait till it is announced

ok, fine. I will be patient. :D

1 1/2 weeks gone. DAMN!!!!!! No info??!!

its comming but there are delays as we are announcing 2 new hotels in Dubai and we are 2nd in line so the first one is delayed and that is pushing us out

^^ :rant: :tongue2:

According to

http://www.albayan.ae/servlet/Satellite?c=Article&cid=1141019263286&pagename=Albayan%2FArticle%2FFullDetail

a new hotel will be announced in 7 days.

could someone translate the basics of the press release, want to compare top wjhat we have approved

first hotel was announced today

this must be the 4 seasons
why should they show a pic of festival city when it's something else

because we are anouncing 2 major hotels in 7 days apart. The figures look like the 4S (70F) but some of the others dont look familier.
just wait my friends , I prommise ytou guys will be very happy when you see what we have done

because we are anouncing 2 major hotels in 7 days apart. The figures look like the 4S (70F) but some of the others dont look familier.
just wait my friends , I prommise ytou guys will be very happy when you see what we have done

You lie. :jk:

Each time you post i expect news. never mind.

right hot off the press, the official launch will be on the 14th March, so expect the full press release with renders

THX, THX, THX!!!!!

Lets hope this happens

the release is on my birthday ....woot

right hot off the press, the official launch will be on the 14th March, so expect the full press release with renders

:|

giles...

ok read your comment in w hotel.

any new dates?

if it is launched on mar 14 it should be in the papers on mar 15

let's see

i can't wait any longer

read his post in W hotel thread :sleepy:

sorry dennis .

there was a soft launch of the tower with the render in the new Dubai festival City brochures. there is another delay due to the final presentation to the DFC board being postponed due to some design changes. Its comming but you guys all know sometime the best ones are the ones that create the most hype

Meh thats what they said about the hampdens but they suxed. I mean poor music, just becuase they had a little help from the beatles. PPFFF.

O well.

there was a soft launch of the tower with the render in the new Dubai festival City brochures. there is another delay due to the final presentation to the DFC board being postponed due to some design changes. Its comming but you guys all know sometime the best ones are the ones that create the most hype
So if the render was released there, then maybe you could post it up here aswell? :D

Maybe they should twin New Perth with Dubai. Or better still, build a bridge across the Indian Ocean and create a "Greater DubaiPerth"....???

Right, im putting this 8000 mile Dubai-Perth bridge proposal forward to Sheikh Mohammed. Should have the render done by end of the week. Construction will begin on Monday. Bridge to be complete by the following Friday. :cheers:


:rofl: Sorry guys, but i'm in a giddy mood all because of the new property laws. :lol:

what new property laws???


...


:D

cool :)

I found the render! It's on the DFC website.....I could only get the low-res one though :( , you need a username/password to see the high-res...maybe one of you could contact the marketing department and ask for one?

Soooo...here it is :) :

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4419/fourseasonsdubai9yo.png



Looks awesome! :cheers:

WOW!!!! thanx!!!!
R

It looks like the tip of a pair of plyers.

that render is way too small but it looks promising!
almost looks like it's 2 towers :D

:eek: SHIT THAT LOOKS GREAT.

SA boy i blame you for not being the first to show us this render.
and now bring a bigger one :D

Too small to judge. Need a bigger one!! :D

cant guys cos of my CA. But wait its comming, remember its over 300m

Is that the right picture though? It looks pretty wide for a 300m tower (especially a dubai one)

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4419/fourseasonsdubai9yo.png


Think this small pic is enough to say WOW!!!!!

Is that the right picture though? It looks pretty wide for a 300m tower (especially a dubai one)

Heres the link: http://www.dubaifestivalcity.com/aboutus/gallery.aspx?id=364#

I want make more pictures!

Is that the right picture though? It looks pretty wide for a 300m tower (especially a dubai one)
Thats the tower. Bottom is the hotel section and the twin towers are the residential above.

It is very nice.

what colour is it?

Cool building! Looks white, doesnt it?

Looks like something out of Star Wars, I think.

http://www.wallpaper.net.au/wallpaper/space/Space%20Fiction%20Andromeda%20Spaceship%20-%20800x600.jpg

Very futuristic, though!

i can't see the pic :(

Here it is:

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/4200/fourseasonsdubai9yo8fp.png

^^ Now that its enlarged, it looks like a crabs claw! LOL

All I did was enlarge it with photoshop, but it makes the render's quality worse. Again I'm waiting for a proper render before making judgements

It is very nice.

what colour is it?
Silver

anyone else see the resemblance? :D

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/4200/fourseasonsdubai9yo8fp.png

http://pbskids.org/backyardjungle/files.php/493826_discovery_f.jpg

weird looking..

i think it is awesome..
but still waiting for a proper render...

nice design...again looks similar to the burj al arab!

nice design...again looks similar to the burj al arab!

how does it look like the BAA??

R

nice design...again looks similar to the burj al arab!


Other than organic design; i think you will struggle to justify this statement!

just wait guys, the low res small render does not do this tower justice.
for a visual think of a cross between 2IFC and chung keung in Honkers and Jim Mao in shanghai (not in shape but in colour and teture)

Remind me, where exactly at DFC is the 4S located?

i think it does look similar...it has the curved sides and one vertical side

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1222/burj4seasons9ix.png (http://imageshack.us)

Can everyone else see 2 curved sides?

well thats a v.subtle similarity...then in that case the BAA could look like the NBD building...but fine...it's a valid point...then it would look like two BAA's since there are 2 parts to it! :tongue3: Also I think u sed in the lattic tower thread y we copy our own designs...well since they look so good lets use 'em again...like that fortune tower in JLT looks just like a smaller version of ET! lol! not that I like the fact that it is copied...ur rite we shuld use new deigns!!!

R

^^ thank you

Can everyone else see 2 curved sides?

yes it's the angle?

the floor plan is simmilar to a giant slow radius C or a cressent shape. Its location is on the creek next to the mall

Is it me or does this look like a giant vibrator?

its you

^^ :rofl:

hehehe ......don't insult what people created in this forum

Dubia will be the new york.. bitches

I love it more every time i look at the render.

can we have a bigger one yet?

pretty please?

Any more info on this, bigger renders?
I can't really picture the shape. I tried to make a model of it but I'm not even sure if the basic shape is right.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6132/4seasons2wo.jpg

It loks more like a flat curve, a la' burj al arab to me.

maybe a slight indent under the gap?

I dont think this will be built >( >(

it will.

giles u need to get us some more stuff.

i think it will look quite flat.

no longer involved with DFC and this tower

damn, this takes way too long :(

tender is out:

Name : Four Seasons Hotel Project More...
Description : Construction of 320-metre-high Four Seasons waterfront hotel comprising 400 rooms, (80 Nos.) ultra-exclusive residential apartments and villas, a destination spa, eight restaurants and a range of conference and banqueting facilities.
Territory : Dubai
Posted : May 28, 2006
Status : New Tender

R

Finally

ultra exclusive residential apartments??

wtf are those

serviced apts probably.

ultra exclusive sounds good :D

ultra exclusive as in so expensive it will make you cry

most prices in Dubai make you cry :tongue2:

I am waiting for the day when petrol prices are allowed to float freely and are influenced by market forces as they have decided to do with diesel :runaway:

Emporis website says 72 floors. Please change title!! THX

^^ what's the real source though?

Don't know, ask emporis. But can you please edit the title?? THX

72 is correct

72 is correct

THX.

Now edit title!!!!!!! :bash:

i'm desperately waiting for a final press release :(

check your inbox , you might find the render

check your inbox , you might find the render


please check your pm!

i haven't been to my hometown for weeks
please resend it to the email adress i've given you in my PM!

Do we have a start date for this one??
First it was under construction, now approved again ???

Anyone??

nice update on emporis ;)

Update?? I can't see anything! http://smiliestation.de/smileys/Sauer/43.gif (http://smiliestation.de)http://smiliestation.de/smileys/Sauer/43.gif (http://smiliestation.de)http://smiliestation.de/smileys/Sauer/43.gif (http://smiliestation.de)

http://i5.tinypic.com/242beyf.jpg

:cool:

HOly shit!!!!!!!!!!

ditto

thats my baby.
so what do you guys think out of 10?

thats hot!

R

Is HRH Prine Alwaleed bin Talal Al Saud participating in this one?

Nope, its a private development in Durbai festival City ie Kingdom holdings is not involved

It's a beauty indeed.

It looks very promising... especially with the massive height this should be the biggest stunner on the creekside...

once completed it will definitely be in the top 5 of all buildings in dubai
design is truely awesome, no doubt

but when will construction start?

kingdom holdings bought fairmont and raffles and merged to one corporation, doesn't have anything to do with four seasons

DL actually Kingdom holdings more importantly Kingdom investments owns 35% of Four Seasons making them the single biggest investor in the company and ahead of Isadore sharp the founder who only has 21%.

you're right!
i totally forgot that
this man simply owns too many things, you sometimes lose track :D

:cheers:

Beautiful. Finally a bigger render. :)

The design is perfect. Well, nearly all the designs by Pickard Chilton are really beautiful and elegant, but this is by far the best. This building is for me the second most beautiful in Dubai (1st Burj Dubai ;)). Congratulations SA BOY :), because in Dubai the competition is very hard, and there are MANY good designs (this city is attracting the best in the world!!!!)

give it a 9,5/10 id like to see more details of the facade.

will it start construction soon?

It looks amazing!

Isn't it behind schedule though??

superb design! id like to see some Dubai bashers dis this!

wow, perfect design. looks like twin towers but it isn't or?

wow...very cool design. dubai has some very cool towers :D

my new fave tower :D :happy:

http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/8256/unbenannt2kopieub4.jpg

location

cool map 'flo:D...where did u find it?

R

on my PC.. i looked through all the maps i have saved in Dubai folder and found this very old one and saw it shows the 4Seasons.

can't wait to see it under construction

I think the map is old, becouse if I'm not wrong, when first lounched the 4 Seasons Hotel was supposed to be a bungalow complex overlooking the golf course (as that map suggest), but later on plns were changed and the W Hotel will be build in the Golf Course, while the 4S was moved elswhere to be build as tower.

SA BOY can confirm (or deny) this.

is there any render of this project???

^^ Check page 8

i think it does look similar...it has the curved sides and one vertical side

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1222/burj4seasons9ix.png (http://imageshack.us)

I'm agree with you these two wonderful tower look almost the same, I think Burk al Arab is a wonderful hotel, but I think this Four Seasons Hotel qill be wonderful to.

W is not on the golf course, its directly on the creek

construction start still this year?

the best morden hotel yet and i like how they done the two towers meet up at near the ground and imagine the view on the tallest room wow!

Project cancelled in this form and shape, still to ba a tall (60+) floors but this is dead im afraid
RIP

:cry:

:doh: :doh: :doh:

Not this one. Idiots!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :toilet: :toilet:

Giiiiiles? you can't be serious?

you need to kick their asses, this was your baby...

I know , im gutted and the new design is shit house compared to this design. Unfortunatly the cost kileld it cos it would have been built on reclaimed land, and with twin towers abouve , the cost is doubled for those parts of the tower, (additional lifts, glazing etc)

Come on guys, what in the hell are you doing??????????

What is this "Never Build" status??? It is just getting a redesign for god sake, like thousands of towers does.


I really don't get you sometime...

this tower in its entirety, along with the 72 floor 320m height, has been canceled. The new design will have a completely different height, floor count and layout. That's why this gets a "never built" and a new thread will be opened when the new design is made public.

What a pity... Add three years to the original completion date now, Dubai still without a Four Seasons :(

Found an article in German about the news that Bill Gates wants to expand his influence together with Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud over the Four Seasons chain. They also want to take it from the stock exchange. Maybe this is the reason why they have decreased their cost by canceling the one in Dubai

here it is. Will surely surface in English soon:

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,446782,00.html

terrifying to see doha, qatar getting its second four seasons already

there are 4 names which should complement each other perfectly

dubai - four seasons - al futtaim - al waleed

Can the mods please move this thread back to where it belongs!!!

Found an article in German about the news that Bill Gates wants to expand his influence together with Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud over the Four Seasons chain. They also want to take it from the stock exchange. Maybe this is the reason why they have decreased their cost by canceling the one in Dubai

First of all there is no relation at all between the two.

Second, 4 Seasons Hotel Dubai Festival City HAS NOT BEEN CANCELLED!!! It is just redesigned.


That's why is not correct to use labels such "never build" so easily. Why don't we label also many other towers that have been redesigned as "never build" and start other threads for the redesign??? DOn't you think about the consecuences? :ohno:

Than take it back to the section and change status to approved. It's a shame, that it will be redesigned, but the main thing is, it gets built!!

Anyone do it please!!

http://www.dubaifestivalcity.com/explore_hos_four.asp

that new design I dunno if its better looks kinda weird but with more renders to come I guess it might look better from other angles

I don't like the new design. Is this the final one?

I went to festival city and saw a big add of it. Counted the floors. It was 42F + G

Only 43 floors. Hope this is not the Four Seasons!! :bash:

it will be, most likely.

THAT'S GREAT THAT DUBAI IS GETTING THE FOUR SEASONS HOTEL.

^^ Not so special after all. ;)

aloha.

just wondering, can someone pass by the site and try to get a high-res picture of the ad? i'd do it myself, but i sort of live an ocean and a continent away, so i apologize in advance.

are there any large renders of the new design? the small ones were ok, but larger ones would definitely kick ass.

thanks.

kuwaiti_patriot

i did that already. Don't have internet at home , but i will post it as soon as possible.

Stunning design :eek2: i mean OMG its a Stunner !

it is an amazing building

Any new news about this one?

it is located next to festival centre, the site is boarded but nothing seems to be going on at the moment

anyone else see the resemblance? :D

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/4200/fourseasonsdubai9yo8fp.png

http://pbskids.org/backyardjungle/files.php/493826_discovery_f.jpg

it's look like necrotic maxillary molar teeth loool from ma lil experince with two root canal

this is planned to open 2011 and appearantly under construction, we had a 4 seasons presentation this week.

^^ Thx for the info Flo!! Do you know anything about height??

no idea, sorry.

looks be very high!! But talk about UAE always is going to be high

Is this a new render?

http://i32.tinypic.com/e8wnqf.jpg

^^ It seams so, howev er not a new design.

I would still accept that one, despite preferring SA boy's by miles..

is there any official confirmation from four seasons about final design & project is being built.no new news sience last two months

Is this a new render?

http://i32.tinypic.com/e8wnqf.jpg

I really hope they will go ahead with this design! I love it!

Old was better, but ok..... !

The development is expected to open in mid 2008.

The development is expected to open in mid 2008.

what do you mean with that ????
do you mean the construction will start in mid 2008 ?!!

^^ i guess so :)