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Day Release
December 14th, 2005, 08:30 PM
Future Aircraft Carrier project moves to next phase as assembly plans are agreed
Ministry of Defence
Published Wednesday 14th December 2005

http://www.news.mod.uk/news_headline_story2.asp?newsItem_id=3853


Defence Secretary John Reid has announced a series of major developments in MoD's multi-billion pound programme to build a new class of aircraft carrier for Britain's Armed Forces today, 14 December 2005.

The key developments - which together will provide our Forces with the largest and most powerful warships ever constructed in the UK - include:


* The current carrier Alliance team of MoD, BAE Systems, Thales and KBR, is to be joined by VT Group and Babcock.

* Plans for the construction and assembly of the ships at Alliance members' yards have been agreed.

* MoD is to spend some £300M to develop the design of the ships to the point at which manufacturing can begin.

* Commitment to some long-lead items for the ships will be made, where necessary, to maintain the programme.

* It is also planned to explore, with the same companies, encompassing in-service support for the new carriers and the existing carriers through to their out of service dates.


Mr Reid said:

"These are major steps forward for the future carrier project. Work will now commence on finalising the delta design, which will ultimately provide the UK Armed Forces with the largest and most powerful warships ever constructed in the UK, and an expeditionary capability unparalleled outside of the US.

"As part of today's announcement, I am allocating some 60% of the ships' construction to named UK yards: BAE Systems at Govan and Barrow; VT in Portsmouth and Babcock in Rosyth. I can also confirm final assembly of both carriers will be at Rosyth.

"At the same time there is a substantial opportunity for the involvement of other UK shipyards in the remaining parts of the build programme that will be open to competition. This could go well beyond traditional shipbuilders since the project will use modern modular production techniques.

"We will now work with industry to finalise the programme budget; to set a construction timetable and establish in-service dates; to ratify how the ships will be supported through a service life of up to 50 years; and to ensure that our detailed requirements are met. Together with the parallel design work, this means that when we come to commit to the manufacture of the project we can do so with the highest degree of confidence and certainty in our plans.

"Alongside this, I am announcing our intention of asking the alliance to put forward one integrated plan: not only to maintain the new carriers but to look after the existing carriers until they go out of service. By getting the same people to commit to maintain the existing carriers until the new ones are ready to go we will ensure there is a continuity of capability for the Royal Navy.

"This project is a key to the Defence Industrial Strategy and marks the end to the 'boom and bust' industrial cycle. The introduction of a managed and steady work stream will allow industry to plan efficiently and to retain the highly skilled workforce that has contributed to the fine tradition of shipbuilding in this country. In addition, this project will sustain and create some 10,000 UK jobs around the country."

For the Future Aircraft Carrier project (also known as the "Carrier, Vehicular, Future" or CVF project) the "Main Gate" approval - a stage of the MOD's procurement process which must be fulfilled before projects can move to manufacture - has been split into two incremental steps. Today's announcement marks the movement of the project through the first step, from the MOD's assessment phase into the demonstration phase. This next phase of design work will further remove risk from the project and give greater understanding of projected costs, allowing Ministry of Defence to make its main investment decision in confidence. At that time, the MOD will be able to announce the expected programme costs and "in-service" dates for the new ships.

From a range of proposed designs for the new carriers, the adaptable design labelled "Design Delta" has been selected. When the ships are built, they will be fitted with a ski-jump to operate short take-off and vertical-landing (STOVL) aircraft. However, the design can be altered later in the ships' service life, for example to accommodate catapults and arrestor gear to fly conventional carrier aircraft. This is future-proofing for a class of ship expected to have a 50-year life.

The new class of carriers will be much larger than the Royal Navy's existing "Invincible" class carriers. It is currently estimated that the new class will have a displacement (weight) of 65,000 tonnes, will be 280m long and 70m wide, and have a draught (the depth of water needed to float the ship) of 9m. The ships' complement will be around 1500 all-told, including the Joint Force Air Group (JFAG) who will support and fly the embarked aircraft. Each ship will carry about 40 aircraft (Joint Combat Aircraft, Maritime Airborne Surveillance and Control system, and Merlin helicopters).

Plans for the construction and assembly of the ships in yards owned by members of the new expanded Alliance include hull block 4 at BAES Govan, block 3 at BAES Barrow, block 2 at VT Group Portsmouth, and the bow (block 1) and final assembly at Babcock Rosyth, all subject to value-for-money and cost-effectiveness considerations. This work is some 60% of the overall build. Substantial elements of the remainder of the ship super-structure are to be competed for by other shipyards and manufacturing facilities.

Day Release
December 14th, 2005, 08:32 PM
http://www.news.mod.uk/img/pressdatabase/images/supportingImages/large/Carrier1_tn.jpg

Computer generated images give an idea of the size
of the planned new aircraft carriers. [Image: DPA]

http://www.news.mod.uk/img/pressdatabase/images/supportingImages/large/Carrier2_tn.jpg

The new ships will carry a complement of 1500 personnel,
and about 40 aircraft. [Image: DPA]

http://www.news.mod.uk/img/pressdatabase/images/supportingImages/large/Carrier3_tn.jpg

A plan shows the new carriers in comparison to those of
the USA and France, as well as to the UK's current
Invincible-class ships. Click on the image to enlarge it. [Image: DPA]

Monkey
December 14th, 2005, 08:47 PM
^ Good - bigger than France's. ;)

Day Release
December 14th, 2005, 08:52 PM
^^
:okay: :wink2:

Zim Flyer
December 14th, 2005, 08:55 PM
Very encouraging news, excellent post as ever Day Release, this has really cheered me up.

JackSwan
December 14th, 2005, 10:05 PM
^ Good - bigger than France's. ;)

i wouldn't be too optimistic, we're developing this latest new design alongside our french 'allies', who are planning to build one of their own.

Monkey
December 14th, 2005, 10:09 PM
^ But we'll have more of them and so bigger and better. ;)

JackSwan
December 14th, 2005, 10:14 PM
to war!

sjwmoore
December 15th, 2005, 11:32 AM
^ Good - bigger than France's. ;)

My first thought also!!

Good news for Rosyth, lets hope it all comes together, too much has been spent now to go back

TallBox
December 15th, 2005, 12:03 PM
http://www.news.mod.uk/img/pressdatabase/images/supportingImages/large/Carrier3_tn.jpg

A plan shows the new carriers in comparison to those of
the USA and France, as well as to the UK's current
Invincible-class ships. Click on the image to enlarge it. [Image: DPA]


Why does this pic show CVF with cats and traps? I know the CTOL option is still being bandied around... how current is this particular pic?

sjwmoore
December 15th, 2005, 12:06 PM
Why does this pic show CVF with cats and traps? I know the CTOL option is still being bandied around... how current is this particular pic?


Carrier is to be "Fitted for , but not with" cats and traps, as an insurance for future eventualities

Like Fort class RFAs, fitted for but not with Skywolf, ducts etc are in place should it need to be installed

TallBox
December 15th, 2005, 12:12 PM
Yah, I know, but thought it was interesting that nearly all previous diagrams/renders (other than those to demonstrate the FBNW capability) have shown CVF in STOVL configuration and not in CTOL. I was just curious why this one was different. Still would love to have a CTOL carrier, though.

Ayrshireman
December 15th, 2005, 03:08 PM
http://www.news.mod.uk/img/pressdatabase/images/supportingImages/large/Carrier3_tn.jpg

Is this image current? I suspect not; haven't they been quietly downsizing the carriers over the last few years? This picture shows the CVF as almost the size of Nimitz class, without the extra stern section!

sjwmoore
December 15th, 2005, 03:17 PM
[Is this image current? I suspect not; haven't they been quietly downsizing the carriers over the last few years? This picture shows the CVF as almost the size of Nimitz class, without the extra stern section!


posted on mod.uk yesterday, have a look! its as current as it gets

JackSwan
December 15th, 2005, 04:29 PM
i'm still suspicious. a similar comparative image was doing the rounds years ago and there has definitely been a continuous down-sizing since then. the last i heard the new CVF was to have roughly the same dimensions as the CdG, certainly nowhere near that of a nimitz. but if this is accurate it's superb news.

Day Release
December 15th, 2005, 04:47 PM
It's from the Ministry of Defences own news site, as are the pics and diagrams.

http://www.news.mod.uk/news_headline_story2.asp?newsItem_id=3853

Mac
December 15th, 2005, 04:51 PM
i'm still suspicious. a similar comparative image was doing the rounds years ago and there has definitely been a continuous down-sizing since then. the last i heard the new CVF was to have roughly the same dimensions as the CdG, certainly nowhere near that of a nimitz. but if this is accurate it's superb news.


There was a discussion in 2003/04 as to wether to reduce the carrier in size to the 40,000 tonne class but was rejected by the MOD and design team pretty quickly as it would only cost something like 20% less to build but with a 50% reduction in capability and was deemed pointless.

It was then that the CVF-Delta design was settled on, as seen above in the diagram, initially the carrier will be about 60,000 tonnes but with in service upgrades over its 50 year lifespan such as catapult to take a CTOL aircraft it could rise to the stated 65,000 tonnes.

In terms of overall length and width, the above scale diagrams are accurate.

Ayrshireman
December 15th, 2005, 04:59 PM
Hmm, the comparison diagram shows an angled flight-deck, whereas the computer renders on the same web page do not.

The Boy David
December 15th, 2005, 05:02 PM
Brilliant news. Utterly brilliant.

And fantastic news for Govan and Rosyth - those old shipyards aint dead yet :)

Mac
December 15th, 2005, 05:11 PM
Hmm, the comparison diagram shows an angled flight-deck, whereas the computer renders on the same web page do not.

Thats simply to show how the carrier will be reconfigured to take CTOL aircraft once the JSF vertical take off/land fighters are phased out, remember this carrier will have a lifespan of 50 years and that means 2 generations of aircraft will be used.

They are simply showing that a replacement for the JSF dosent have to be a vertical take off/land type jet.

pirlo_21
December 15th, 2005, 05:25 PM
it would be nice to think that this would be ready by 2012 for the jublee celebrations and the olympics especially as its called queen elizabeth

HOI
December 16th, 2005, 01:43 PM
Said in the paper 7 years to build, so, might just scrape it if they get on working

Day Release
December 20th, 2005, 10:24 AM
http://www.flightinternational.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=10761

The Two New Carriers will be very impressive :okay:

STR
December 21st, 2005, 06:17 AM
Thats simply to show how the carrier will be reconfigured to take CTOL aircraft once the JSF vertical take off/land fighters are phased out, remember this carrier will have a lifespan of 50 years and that means 2 generations of aircraft will be used.

They are simply showing that a replacement for the JSF dosent have to be a vertical take off/land type jet.

That, and with the USN's plans to install electromagnetic catapults in the new CVN78 Class (also known as the CVN 21 program), it's in the RN's best interests to wait and see how the experiment turns out.

Zim Flyer
December 21st, 2005, 10:16 AM
That, and with the USN's plans to install electromagnetic catapults in the new CVN78 Class (also known as the CVN 21 program), it's in the RN's best interests to wait and see how the experiment turns out.

to be honest STR, there have been too many delays in the programme and with each delay the cost goes up. I just want them built and as soon as, so that we do actually get them.

Day Release
December 21st, 2005, 11:34 AM
They have spent far too much money now to cancel them, and they have given the shipyards the orders.

They are now beyond the point of no return. :)

Bob
December 21st, 2005, 11:40 AM
I wonder if they are pushing the expense back a few years. It is clear the Government have little cash spare so if a few billion worth of payments can be delayed a year or two that would suit them nicely and be far more appealing to them than cancelling a new hospital or stopping the new build for schools.

How much collaboration is there with the US on this programme? I think Europe and the US really should share technology and develop these together as there is a mutual requirement and an option to save cash.

sjwmoore
December 21st, 2005, 11:44 AM
The majority of design work in the carriers is being undertaken by the French firm Thales, there was talk of the French procuring one of these vessels, so it seems more of a European collaboration, though I would imagine there are many US subcontractors