Its not exactly a skyscraper :P. But I have a few pics anyway.

First building topped out. Notice the old railway line infront of the building :). I wandered all around docklands yesterday, there are old railways everywhere.
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Second building core started.
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what is the pier in the middle going to be?



the one with about 3 large sheds on it

THey are planning to put a concert hall thing at the end...and some retail etc i believe where the sheds are!

The concert hall idea i believe came from the opera house! hehe

The first time i saw the model.. i said opera house! Oh...copy cats..

Latest NAB@Docklands Photos:

http://users.bigpond.net.au/rpaparon/DSCF0005.JPG

http://users.bigpond.net.au/rpaparon/DSCF0011.JPG

Cheers
Homer

When did the city circle tram start running around docklands?? does it still go around spencer or not at all?? Like some go docklands some spencer?

Constuction city those shots! NAB and YE!! wow! Once NAB is finished and more people are around it is going to change the place even more!

Hmm, NAB. I'm not crazy about it. It looks pretty kitsh and 70s with all those colours down the bottom. Not as good as some of the other docklandss buildings in my opinion, but at least it will mix things up a bit.

NAB #1 Topped out, NAB #2 Core is at least 3 or 4 levels above ground now (didnt get a pic sorry)

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/nab2802031.jpg

tays

Hey guys!

Looks like this precinct is really starting to come along now. I was at the Vic Harbour Centre yesterday and I was lucky enough to sit in on one of the talks given. The woman spoke mainly about Dock 5, which looks awesome by the way and will of course include the two or three top pink penthouse levels. The loft apartments, which are the most expensive look absolutely amazing!

Anyways, She explained that NAB was due to finish later in the year with the next NAB building to finish later next year. The building beside that leading up to Dock 5 is still undesided, but is currently being held by the NAB if they need extra space, if not it will be turned into a residential development. Further down the peninsula will be low rise apartment (approx 5/6 stories) and then at the very end there will be a some kind of public attractor and a park. Good news is the tram will travel all the way to the end :)

Along the Yarra side, there will be a mixture of residential towers, commercial towers and a large hotel complex will be built at the intersection of Burke and Collins streets. In the middle, behind NAB will be low rise. There will be a main street called the Corso and it will be like a chapel street/collins street type area focusing on fashion and lifestyle. This will be on the ground floors and on the second levels will be doctors, dentists, and other centres. Above these for the remainder of the building will be home office type apartments. There will also be a large supermarket and a market place type area for fresh foods and meats.

The whole place seemed to be pretty much planned out and she said that most of the other areas behind NAB and next to Dock 5 will be released in August! Not far away at all!

AND, she did mention the landmark building in the middle of the harbour. She said that it would most likely be reserved for the arts. She gave three possibilities; 1) home to a symphony orchestra, 2) a music or dance istitution and 3) a museum/art gallery. The two sheds at the end of the pier will be removed soon and a square platform constructed for the landmark to sit upon.

I was very impressed by the Vic harbour Centre and the information they had available... very interesting indeed!

MG2

Does anyone know when Dock 5 (92m to roof) will begin construction. I believe they have sold the majority of the apartments so with any luck it will probably begin in the second half of the year.

Any ideas guys???

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

I'm so excited about the landmark building...and it's going to be so close to NewQuay!

Dean, it's due to start in May.

MG2

Yep May it is! Dock 5 is really 'upper' class apartments...most were quite expensive compared to others ie. CE and vic point and even New quay!

Where can I see a rendering of Dock 5? I've never even heard of this....

There's an advert for it (with picture) in THE AGE Domain section front page Wednesday 12th Mar.

Here is a little picture. You can see it on the right and the samller buildings leading up to tesltra dome is NAB.

http://www.docklands.com/precincts/images/vicHarb3.jpg

www.docklands.com

look at the size of its...........CRANE

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/vicharbour1803031.jpg

lol :P

tays

I can't find the thread dealing with the landmark development on the Vic Harbour central pier. But I have heard rumours from someone who knows someone who owns one of the NewQuay restaurants...the Docklands Authority wants a Vic Harbour proposal for the landmark structure to have a budget of...wait for it...$1 billion. (do a Dr Evil!). That's what they're saying they are willing to spend on it! They are awaiting tenders for the landmark and it is possible that all the Docklands developers will chip in since it'll benefit everyone.

It WILL rival the Sydney Opera House as a landmark.

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How can you say that before a design has even been conceived?!

frankly I couldn't care less about building a landmark to "rival" the Opera House - let Sydney keep all the garish postcard shots, leave the substance and surprise to Melbourne.

just my 2 cents.

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Your Melbourne-Sydney insecurities are showing Blabby! ;)

Let Melbourne stand on its own two feet with its own style, culture and flair (which it certainly has) without having to be compared to another city!

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Your Melbourne-Sydney insecurities are showing Blabby! ;)

Let Melbourne stand on its own two feet with its own style, culture and flair (which it certainly has) without having to be compared to another city!</td></tr>
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nice words of wisdom finn !!!
we can always count on you for a mature post:cool:
finn for moderator:angel1:

Melbourne dosent have to manufacture an icon landmark the city is good enough to stand on its own as it is.
Someone will come along one day and produce something spectacular I dont think you can force these things to happen.

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Of course you are assuming people actually come to Melbourne to be surprised and appreciate the substance of Melbourne. ;)

a- just because you build an amazing building it doesen't mean its going to be a famous landmark
b- just because you build some specacular building, it doesen't mean more people will go to the city
c- just because a city has a famous landmark, it doesen't mean the city is good
d- just because you speand alot of money it doesen't mean the building will be a landmark
e- if the builders say its going to be a landmark it doesent mean its going to be
f- if there are to many landmarks they will loose their significance
g- you can't manufacture a landmark, they usually come naturally
etc. etc. etc......

Some good points there Chris, but Bilbao in Spain is a perfect example of a single landmark building (the amazing Guggenheim) that has put a city on the map. Who'd ever heard of Bilbao before? Now most people know of it (at least in Europe). Budget airlines now fly there when they didn't before, and it has a thriving 'weekend city break' tourist industry. Hey, I'm even posting about it!

back on topic

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/nabdock_20030318.JPG

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/nabdock_20030318=1.JPG

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Your Melbourne-Sydney insecurities are showing Blabby! ;)

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You can read all about what I think of Melb and landmarks (and penis envy, without the penis) in the "Melbourne needs a landmark" thread. I argue, no, Melbourne doesn't need an internationally recognisable landmark, but if it had one, all the better. I'm merely saying that this project is going to be huge...and why the comment re "rivalling the SOH"? I added that in response to an earlier post (can't remember who's and frankly don't care) that whatever would be built wouldn't "rival the SOH". Are you denying that it's big news if a project with a budget of $1 billion went ahead on that prime location?

No insecurity...just a little dramatic licence. I have absolutely no doubt which city I prefer (depending on which aspects you are talking about). No doubts whatsoever and I think that you know that.:cheers:

yes, BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE

Nice pics Grollo! I think that glass on NAB is going to look quite nice!

I know a lady who is gonna be working in the NAB complex when it opens. The staff got taken on a tour of the site last week and it was explained to them that there will be gale-force, terrifying gusts of wind between the two NAB buildings at certain times of the year - occurs as a result of topography and the usual wind-tunnel effect caused by large buildings.

They were told that to overcome this, the two building will house some sort of high-tech retractable tunnel to connect the two buildings together during windy weather, while in tolerable weather the area between the two buildings would remain open space.

Silvermb's second pic above could provide some clues. I didn't get too many details because the lady who told me about it only exhibited a passing interest in the mechanics of it all.

Yesterdays AFR had an article on Vic Harbour.

Basically it said that 'Lend Lease were not worried about slow sales for Dock 5 and were pushing ahead with 2 resi towers'

Did anyone catch the full article? This is good news!! I hope Lend Lease has the foresight to realise that though they hit the market at the start of a lull, their real estate there is gold and they should fund the first tower even if it's not the most profitable as people will scoop it up when its complete..

I think they also need to do more work just to generally landscape and clean up the pier.. its currently still a shocker.. just a general bit of landscaping and streetscaping and cleaning up will pay dividends in peoples impression of the place..

Today:

http://www.zenid.net/upload/images/342.jpg

http://www.zenid.net/upload/images/343.jpg

http://www.zenid.net/upload/images/344.jpg

http://www.zenid.net/upload/images/345.jpg

http://www.zenid.net/upload/images/346.jpg

Dig the funky jagged roofline (reminiscent of early last century factories) - I hadn't seen this on earlier pics:

http://www.zenid.net/upload/images/347.jpg

I think the jagged roof line is actually solar cells. Love the funky colours, they will help give docklands a whole different feel to the existing CBD.

That is revolting.

Sorry!!

is there still plans for a 'time square' style precints at the intersecton of collins and bourke street what people were talking about some time ago ?
the victoria harbour site also says there will be a full line supermarket. thats alot of new supermarkets with ones planed at freshwater place and QV i think.
it will be interesting to see how the retailers respond to docklands and what tenants it attracts....

QV is nowhere near Freshwater Place and they are both nowhere near Victoria Harbour. With the number of apartments built or U/C at docklands there will definately be more than enough demand for one supermarket in the short term and at least one more in the medium term.

Chrisaus, times square type deal is still deffinately to go ahead.

MG2

That is amazing.

Sorry!!

Having R.S.V.P.ed for the Vic. Harbour Seminar in Sydney next Tuesday evening (thanks to grollo for posting about it in the N.S.W. section), Lend Lease said that the start date is still scheduled for the 3/4 of this year and completion set for mid 2005. Apparently approx. 40% of Lend Lease's lot has been pe-commited. They seem cnfident that it's still going ahead.

John Wardle will be speaking as well as sales dudes I guess. Will post anything relevant and of interest after the "seminar" (if there is anything as such).

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one word:

schwoit! :guns1:

tays

I posted an article from AFR re Vic Harbour in another thread saying that Devine's tower is definitely going ahead (according to them) despite rumours to the contrary as a result of difficulty finding a builder. Can't remember which thread now.

Melbourne Age today is advertising <b>Dock 5</b> again, so I phoned them pretending to be an interested buyer.

They said that construction starts in "third quarter of this year" and will finish in mid-2005.

Way to go Philip Burt :okay:

Out of the 148 apartments available, 45% have already been sold. That equates to just on 103 apartments left for sale.

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Out of the 148 apartments available, 45% have already been sold. That equates to just on 103 apartments left for sale.

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ummmm... No it doesn't

It equates to around 80 still left for sale....

MG2

Museumb,

Did you fail maths? 45% of 148 equates to 66.6 (rounded up = 67). Which means that 81 are left for sale, not 103.

Not to worry, we all make mistakes.

Back to primary school for me ;)

Yes on doing my maths again, yerssssh as it does = 80/81.

Me - duh :nuts:

BTW Thanks Richo for your kind understanding re "Not to worry, we all make mistakes". No, just me!!

Bank shows colour of its money
http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1057179204152_2003/07/05/06n_nab_docklands,0.jpg
To some it may look like a giant Rubik's cube. In fact, it is to be a bank's new national headquarters.

Which bank? Not that one but the National Australia Bank, which will accommodate 4500 of its employees in multi-coloured twin towers in Docklands by the end of next year.

The building, under construction at Victoria Harbour, is already conspicuous, with one of the two towers featuring a curtain wall of brightly coloured panelling.

The bank does not yet want to talk about the construction and the thinking behind its design, but architecture critics suggested last week that the bold use of colour provided an insight into how the NAB wanted to be perceived in the future.

However, they also said an opportunity had been missed to make more of the building's close proximity to water.


The Age's architecture critic, Norman Day, said he believed the facade of red, orange, yellow, blue and green was part of a deliberate decision by the bank to choose a progressive design.

"The branding and design of a building of that size would be a very conscious decision made by the bank at the highest board level," Mr Day said.

The building is owned by General Property Trust, a subsidiary of Lend Lease, and was designed by architects Bligh Voller Nield to a brief set down by the bank.

Mr Day said the building stepped away from the design banks typically preferred.

"Usually banks build those great big city buildings and integrate themselves into the city. In this case, it's quite different. It's a very visible site that you can approach from four directions, and we'll all know which one is the National Bank," Mr Day said.

"I think that's a shift in how the bank sees itself in the community. A design like that is saying, 'we're contemporary and progressive'."

However, the NAB's project director, Rosemary Kirkby, would not be drawn. "We're delighted that people are talking about the building. This is a major project for us and we've given it a great deal of thought but we're simply not ready to talk about it yet."

The Lend Lease site, which is Victoria Harbour, has been described as the jewel of Docklands. Victoria Harbour covers 30 hectares and Docklands a total of 200 hectares. The first of the twin towers will be completed by the end of the year, enabling 2500 employees to move in.

The second tower will be completed by the end of 2004, when 2000 more employees will take up their offices.

Bligh Voller Nield would also not comment on the design of the building.

The adjunct professor at the School of Architecture at RMIT University, Lindsay Holland, told The Sunday Age that although the building had a bright facade, the design was quite considered.

"It's vaguely quaint," he said. "The energy levels of the thing appear to be quite subtle and I quite like that. They seem to be after a less ostentatious outcome, so it's a curious mix with this strange polychromatic surface.

"But I guess I'm disappointed, from what I've seen at the moment, that it doesn't have a strong connection to the water. It could be a building anywhere, almost."

Mr Day agreed that the designers had missed an opportunity to create a much more "organic" building. "The site isn't rectangular, or square, so you look at the site and think, 'why would you put a square or rectangular building on it?'," Mr Day said.

"I think the bank has come to the view that efficiency in architecture and building isn't necessarily packing as many people into the smallest space you can.

"It's often making it more comfortable so that you get better value from the time they spend in the building."
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/07/05/1057179206165.html

Victoria Harbour have released there 1 and 2 story apartments, (low rise). They are going in next to Victoria Promenade. (I assume this is next door to where dock 5 is.

Victoria promenade ??

Is this the low-rise stuff in the middle of the peninsula ??

where'd you hear that kasper ??

too many ??'s lol :P

tays

Originally posted by tayser
Victoria promenade ??

Is this the low-rise stuff in the middle of the peninsula ??

where'd you hear that kasper ??

too many ??'s lol :P

tays

I got a letter sent out to me. (I subscribed as a potential buyer!) My dad was thinking about buying one at the time..

Anyway more information they are plaza apartments one or two storey floor plans at the harbour end of Buckley Corso (? is that a road?) It says this is only metres away from Victoria Promenade which i think is the walk way next to the water. (just the same as Southbank promenade)

Although it does say it will be next to the supermarket and I thought that was going to be in the middle area, next to the park on the other side of bourke street. I can't confirm that though!

There is a rendering with the letter they look about 2 or 4 stories high.

I looked on their website they havn't mentioned it yet.

Hope that clears it up! It is definently the short stuff!

yeah sounds like the gap fillers in the middle on the peninsula - silvermb has some pics of the Vic Harbour model (could you post 'em silvermb ? )

ta kasper!

cheers

Seems like they are realsing heaps at once...

They are in the pre release stages of 'Park Terrace' which they are advertising as 'choose' a garden of your choice.

I don't think this is what I described above it is actually a seperate building. No indercation of how tall just that there will be 5 apartments per floor.

The one is defintely in the middle section as it is advertised as 'nestled inbetween Bourke and Collins Streets'

They also talk about a 'vibrant' water front.....it ain't there yet! SHhuld be when it is built though.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/510/483lendlease_vision14.jpg

Phuck me, that looks unreal Marko. It is really going to be that big?

here's hoping ;)

I'd also hope for Lend Lease pulling a Mirvac and getting a few of the tower's heights bumped up! :)

how bout this one Richo

http://www.geocities.com/mel81rev/lendlease_vision11.JPG

bloody hell

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/510/483lendlease_vision11.jpg

the beauty of this pic is that there are so many towers not shown and melbourne still looks massive

Thanks marko,

It's gonna look great when they complete Docklands. Melbourne will, as you say, look MASSIVE.

Victoria Harbour's second residential release Park Terrace overlooking Docklands Park and nestled between Bourke and Collins Streets will be released to the public on September 20.

Park Terrace is a boutique development that includes only 62 apartments that feature stunning views east over Docklands Park and to the city or west over Victoria Harbour's Central Park to the Bolte Bridge. Each apartment features its own generous garden terrace to suit the most avid gardener or entertainer, choose from 1 of 3 designs or design your own. Park Terrace includes a mix of 1 bedroom plus study, 2, 3 and 4 bedroom home designs including lofts and terraces.

Does anyone have photos ?

Cheers
Homer

They're releasing the 2nd tower already? I thought the first tower wasn't even sold enough to begin construction?

Unless they are trying to get a smaller one off the ground to get the whole precint moving.. could be a smart move in the currently tough market..

As I mentioned on the last couple of pages they have realeased a couple of smaller buildings already......but not to the public so it looks like they will be doing that as homer said

I wonder what this is doing in a Sydney newspaper

The Sydney Morning Herald (smh.com.au)

Office design lets the sun back in
By Sherrill Nixon, Workplace Reporter
September 23, 2003

Imagine this: an office where you can open a window and breathe fresh air, sit on the veranda soaking up the sun, or set up your laptop at the kitchen table.

It sounds like working from home. But this will be the daily experience for 3500 National Australia Bank staff when they move into their custom-designed office block in Melbourne's Docklands area next year.

Touted as the workplace of the future, the eight-storey building, which will be the bank's Australian headquarters, draws on international research into how workplace design affects people's behaviour.

From the outside, NationalDocklands looks like a Lego construction, with its walls of coloured blocks intended to evoke a container dock viewed from above.

Inside, the building attempts to maximise workers' links with the environment - windows can be opened, veranda-like areas are exposed to the elements, a plant-filled atrium scales the height of the building and there is natural light throughout.

It is also designed to maximise employees' connections during their incidental interactions on bridges, walkways and escalators, at photocopiers and printers, in kitchens and at the cafe.

The architect, James Grose, of Sydney firm Bligh Voller Nield, calls this interaction "bump".

"If we're making places for people to inhabit most of their waking hours, then let's make work a people place," Mr Grose said.

"You can't help but relate in this place . . . when you design for people, you design for the everyday, the bump, the nod, the handshake, the quick update waiting for the lift."

Bank staff have been heavily involved in the process, including 30 people who regularly cycled to work. They had their say on the planned bicycle racks, provision of showers and even the cycle paths in the Docklands area.

A further 100 people spent nine months designing the workstations. Two models will be available - a boomerang shape or a rectangular wooden desk - and some will be on wheels so staff can move them.

There are no offices and only a few walls in the building, and everyone - from the most senior executive to the call centre staff - will have the same-sized desk.

The project director, Rosemary Kirkby, said the new workplace was predicated on trust and self-discipline.

"It means you will have new styles of leadership, you can't rely on a supervisory style," she said.

"This is an adult community. People have to be given quite a bit of discretion about how they go about meeting those [objectives]."

The National Australia Bank, building developers Bovis Lend Lease and the building's owner General Property Trust yesterday held a "topping-off ceremony" to mark the structural completion of the project.

Maybe because the architect is from Sydney.

Originally posted by Billy the Kid
Maybe because the architect is from Sydney.

lol yeah, "Duh Fabian"

Latest pic. Yarra's Edge in background.

http://homepage.mac.com/jbadcock/Docklands/Images/P1020063.jpg

I like it:okay:

the buildings loook a little isolated at the moment. actually, most of docklands is.

not a huge fan of the design, looks a little ordinary. nice use of colour though.

chrisaus, not sure if you meant the building or the photo but thanks anyway :D

yeah, the whole place just need to "fill out" a little more.

but, GAH, campus offices, 5 / 10

Found out today that Dock 5 has just over 50% sales and wont start construction until early next year. Lend Lease will definitely be going ahead with it. Everything up to about 800K has been sold.

Also the second stage 'Park Terrace', 12-13 levels will be released tomorrow 4/10/03 to the public. its located directly opposite the Watergate buildings and right in front of the new park which is UC, hence the name.

about 30 of the first 68 appts are sold with about 180 in the whole thing.. LL will release this in 3 stages.

The Docklands Park looks awesome with some very interesting water features and lakes etc in the design.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

Anybody seen the tv commercials promoting Vic Harbour?

Qiute vague ads which only indicate that Vic Harbour is a real place. :)

Cheers.

Originally posted by sirbugalugs
Anybody seen the tv commercials promoting Vic Harbour?

Qiute vague ads which only indicate that Vic Harbour is a real place. :)

Cheers.

nope, but the Metlink ads rock :rock: :D

Originally posted by sirbugalugs
Anybody seen the tv commercials promoting Vic Harbour?

Qiute vague ads which only indicate that Vic Harbour is a real place. :)

Cheers.
Yep, I have. Its a great add.

Looks like the 2nd NAB campus isn't too far from topping out, the sliced view you get from Spencer Street suggested that it wasn't too far off the mark.

I haven't been -in- to Docklands for over a month.... anyone come across the 2nd Campus' progress lately?

Indeed I have Tays!

Went for a drive down toward the showroom yesterday and noticed that the firts glass pannelling has gone up on the southern side of the building facing towards Yarra's Edge. It is the same type of deal as the first building, very colourful! The two buildings are also linked with a couple of skybridges if I'm not mistaken...?

MG2 - Docklands report

MEtlink ads may rock, but the Met system itself is pretty ordinary - and WHERE have the Metlink livery gone up apart from Camberwell station?! City of Melb ads are better value - they feature the sweet but delicious Livinia Nixon.

It's all happening at the docks!

WHERE have the Metlink livery gone up apart from Camberwell station?!
The Metlink signage has gone up at all Alamein stations as well as Camberwell.

Heard on the grapevine that Dock 5 has got the go-ahead. John Wardle and Hassell joint venture design: should start construction early next year - pink glass and all:D The baustrading upstands are polished white precast concrete - it should be quite striking....

http://www.johnwardle.com/uploads/pr004_10.jpg

http://www.johnwardle.com/uploads/pr004_11.jpg

http://www.johnwardle.com/uploads/pr004_01.jpg

http://www.johnwardle.com/uploads/pr004_07.jpg

http://www.johnwardle.com/uploads/pr004_12.jpg

http://www.johnwardle.com/uploads/pr004_03.jpg

http://www.johnwardle.com/uploads/pr004_05.jpg

Goodness. This tower's a winner. Let it become reality soon:cool:

Yeah I think the tower may have struggled a bit just being kinda at what is still one of the more rundown areas of Docklands, with a lot of space around it yet to be developed.. but I think people are graudally getting wind that Docklands is a reality with the amount of projects.

There were a ton of people going into the display suite yesterday thanks to the Seafood Festival down there.. so hopefully events like that will help em get over the line with Sales..

I think once NAB is open and landscaped - Bourke St has been properly laid (which they are all doing now) and Dock 5 is underway.. that area will start to come to life..

Dock 5 is a quality building and a prime example of why Lend Lease has control of the largest piece of land in the docklands, lets just hope they do make good use of it.

Assuming this starts early next year, finished 2 years (max?) afterwards, there'll be a fairly big void between D5 & the 2nd NAB campus - NAB have an option to build a 3rd campus, they have 5 years to decide, and if they don't LL will just redevelop it - good seeming as though the low-rise stuff's on the way! :guns1:

Are there any webcams for the docklands? I would love to see all those cranes and such working overtime.

Those renderings look awsome. Docklands won’t just be a relaxed living area, but a place to play too.

Gday

So guys, , does anyone know the final status on whether the docklands trams are running up Bourke Street West and Collins Street, or just Collins Street ??

i had a good look at Bourke Street West the other day, and it appears that there is room for trams, but, it wont happen till the area is more developed of course

cheers

lozza

Originally posted by lozza
Gday

So guys, , does anyone know the final status on whether the docklands trams are running up Bourke Street West and Collins Street, or just Collins Street ??

i had a good look at Bourke Street West the other day, and it appears that there is room for trams, but, it wont happen till the area is more developed of course

cheers

lozza

They will run up bourke street west eventually...currently there are no tram tracks there yet are there? As A-brain pointed out the road hasn't been built as of yet.

Collins street has also not been extended as far as it will. Trams will continue to run along collins street and joing up with Bourke street west at the "new Times square"

I think *think* from memory that the current tram line that ends at Latrobe street was going to continue on to Vic Harbour when it is built! (can't remember what the guy told me when i was there)

But there is supposed to be a tram line built to Waterfront city isn't there? Ahh i don't know! Hope that kinda answers your question Lozza!

Either way there will be plenty of trams for you to catch from Watergate!

I think the trams will eventually be like this:
(yellow lines are obviously the tram lines)
http://users.tpg.com.au/adsl7es3/docklands.jpg

Thanks for the diagrams guys.

what i was kind of wondering exactly was ........

If there was going to be a tram line from where collins and bourke street meet at Vic Harbour, right back down Bourke Street West , (out the front of the NAB Headquarters), and then either stopping at that intersection there, or even continuing along bourks street west towards the city out the front of Docklands Stadium.

am i making sense?

the above diagram seems to leave this section of tram line out.
cheers

lozza

Arunava, my understanding is that there will be tram tracks along Bourke St between Collins St & Docklands Blvd too.

the city circle goes through it already

Originally posted by lenicrombie
the city circle goes through it already

Yep but not down Bourke street west...only along Harbour Espl.

I don't mind the Lego cube!!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lukekasper/MelbourneNov/DSC00027.JPG

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lukekasper/MelbourneNov/DSC00025.JPG

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lukekasper/MelbourneNov/DSC00019.JPG

First one is nearly finished.. second it topped out..will start the colour soon I imagine!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lukekasper/MelbourneNov/DSC00018.JPG

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lukekasper/MelbourneNov/DSC00014.JPG

Hope i don't have tooo many pics..

Great shots kasper the one with the palms is sensational.

Fantastic pics kasper.

Notice the way they are mimicking the lego block look on the footpaths around the NAB?

It's clearly visible in your first two shots. Good to see such radicalism at Docklands.

Originally posted by Philip Burt
Fantastic pics kasper.

Notice the way they are mimicking the lego block look on the footpaths around the NAB?

It's clearly visible in your first two shots. Good to see such radicalism at Docklands.

Actually that sidewalk decoration goes right throughout Doclkands and was there before the NAB building was designed.. but the effect nonetheless works very well as you say!!

Park Terrace is now live on www.victoriaharbour.com.au

Pink buildings = Residential

http://www.victoriaharbour.com.au/llweb/victoriaharbour/main.nsf/images/live_reslocations_l.jpg/$file/live_reslocations_l.jpg

http://www.victoriaharbour.com.au/llweb/victoriaharbour/main.nsf/images/live_park_viewwest_l.jpg/$file/live_park_viewwest_l.jpg

it'd be mad if Vic Harbour turned out as tightly packed as it is above :P
http://www.victoriaharbour.com.au/llweb/victoriaharbour/main.nsf/images/live_park_vieweast_l.jpg/$file/live_park_vieweast_l.jpg

:guns1:

Great find tays...

I think it will be that 'packed' however it is going to take many more years until it gets like that! i'd have a guess of at least 10-15 years.

Great new renders..

Yeah although people have been complaning here about lack of height with new Docklands proposals, I think it is paramount in the next few years to get the low-mid-rise density really up in Docklands, particulary around Vic Harbour & Batman Hill..

The place has got to get some street level atmosphere and completedness to it before we can expect the big-ass proposals..

It's an exact repeat of Southbank scenario only on a much bigger scale - i.e. Start the precinct off with low-rise but 'complete' feel (Southbank in early 90's with just the shops + IBM/HWT) - get the place happening and get people down there, and then the big payoff comes 10 years later with the you-know-what's ..

I just HAD to scan this updated masterplan image from yesterdays AGE:D

http://fountainhead.50megs.com/other%20images/Vicharbour.jpg

- Good to see they are planning some sort of public building near the Bolte bridge
- Notice the clone of Dock5, with blue glass in place of pink
- Also NAB building has a third clone
- Still got a "blibao" fixation with central pier
- Good angle for Eureka rising in the background:)

Nothing showing on the AGE's own bastard site I see.

Originally posted by Fountainhead
I just HAD to scan this updated masterplan image from yesterdays AGE:D


That rendering is brilliant! Thanks for scanning it Fountainhead! I absolutely love the look of the urban massings, materials used and overall activity/atmosphere that's portayed!! :D

Nice stuff! Where was it in the age?? Domain?? I didn't look at it yesterday.. I should have!

If that is how it turns out then I will be happy! It looks great. You can clearly see NAB and Dock 5 in this render. They do look good!

I wonder if melbourne's 'opera house' turns out like that or not!?

I am speechless. If it turns out half as good as that I will be in heaven. You should post that pic in the city images forum, show what a work in progress we have. Wow.

What section of the paper was it in?

God.. If that went ahead, I would feel no qualms about saying Melnourne>sydney.. Especially that waterfront scene!!

Why do they keep putting Gehry like knockoffs on the central pier.

Maybe the next one may have something taller with sharp angles. If for no other reason but some contrast to the flat curvy blobs which usually get put there.

Cheers.

OMG wow.. now *thats* a city!

Just goes to show for all those height whingers, you don't need a lot of height - just a lot of development & density - to make the place look great.

Just like I was saying in my post on 1st Jan :D

wow its sure going to look 10000x better than it does now
thanks for the scan

Thats sooo awesome, its gonna look unreal when done, lets just hope they stick to the plan!!!

Originally posted by kasperluke
I wonder if melbourne's 'opera house' turns out like that or not!?
We already have an "opera house" its called The Victorian Arts Centre.

I think the very simple design shown above is excellent. I hope we get something like that, even if its only a very large sculpture!

PS. I am also very pleased to see that they are keeping the old Shipping Tower near the Bolti Bridge. That tower could accomodate a cafe/observation deck looking east over the Docklands into the CBD

Here is a map of the height controls for docklands (from gorund level not including architectural features or building services):

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/510/135docklands_height_map.jpg

This map doesn't show the height controls for Batmans Hill (180m maximum) and some of the heights shown for Yarras Edge are for two towers (5&6, 9&10).

That picture is really only to give you an idea of the style and massing of the precinct it is not an indication of what most of the buildings will actually look like.

The only buildinngs that have actually been designed so far are Dock 5, Park Terrace and the NAB HQ (the third campus style building could be replaced by another 90m residential tower depending on market conditions.).

Imagine my excitement after arriving home from Sydney and seeing this.

MMMM MMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM tasty.

BTW, do I see 2x 180m tower height controls on the NORTHERN bank of Vic Harbour? ;)
I wish the signature tower of 100m on cnr of Bourke & Collins were at least 150m though :(

hehe the two 2x 180m tower height controls on the NORTHERN bank of Vic Harbour are two 100m towers at NewQuay with lines running through the 0's :-)

:bash:

http://metropolis.tayser.net/misc/nab1501041.jpg

http://metropolis.tayser.net/projects/docklands/vicharbour/victoriaharbour3001041.jpg

:rock:

Great Pic Tays!! How awesome does that look!!

I walked into Docklands park last week and climbed up the new hill!! It is a great view from up there too!

Where is this new hill?

Originally posted by Kushantaiidan
Where is this new hill?

It isn't a 'huge' hill it is just a little rise really but it is higher then the its surroundings! The hill is the next green patch just to the left of Tay's pic above.

Are we talking about the half circle of very green grass?

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/lukekasper/littlehill.jpg

The hill!! This is looking from Collins street

they should plant more of those pine trees down there !!!!!!!!!!

Has anyone else noticed that the Conder has a real live core!! It's risen over the last couple of weeks to be clearly visible from anywhere around the harbour esplanade and docklands drive.

MG2

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what are you on about?

if you bothered to look at the village docklands thread rather than this one, you'd notice the display has been up and running for over a year in the old goods shed. unless its the biggest display suite known to man, the tower crane onsite would suggest that the first tower is under construction.

btw, the 'volvo round the world' is a major yacht race

Ah Marko, that's what I really like about you - straight to the point with no fucking around - good to see.

Hooo Hhaa.

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Originally posted by Adamonline
quote:
Dean was wrong on the previous post by complimenting you for being "Direct and to the point".

Umm... i didnt say anything :?

adam

i dont know where you live and i dont particularly give a shit...

regardless of where you are, it doesn't take much of an effort to find the village docklands thread, the second link on the victorian page has been set up for people such as yourself, it takes no more than 5 seconds.

as for the other personal jibes, dont bother; you dont know what being 'rude and totally out of line' is.

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youch

haha what a little bitch...

adam build a bridge and get over it

:ohno: Sheesh. I haven't been able to check out the forums over the past two days and the day I'm able to I see this shit going on. Come on guys! Yes we do have our differences of opinion but let's not go overboard! :dunno:

Guys..

A mate of mine who contracts with the NAB has just been inside the new NAB Docklands building.

Now this guy has travelled the globe and been inside some of the worlds greatest modern buildings inc. Petronas etc.

His comment today was 'This is the most amazing building I've ever been inside - period!'. Trust me this is a *BIG* call..

The interior is apparently unbelievable, a huge atrium space is in the middle with criss-crossing walkways between levels at all angles, offices are like suspended glass cubes where you feel 'like you could fall out of it'. The huge vertical steel venilation shafts you can see from outside on the roof, also form part of the interior.

Everything is lavish with attention to detail - glass with wood & silver mixed together, flat panel displays obviously everywhere etc.

He was that impressed he told me he was actually looking at Docklands Apartments on the web the next day to get a job! He's also re-thinking his long-term trip to Europe!

Anyway.. he's not really the kinda guy who would take piccys of the place for me, but I'll try!! At the very least he said go into the foyer and just get a taste of what the building is like.

He said 'I can't believe we even have a building like this in Melbourne' which is great to hear, and a great boost for Docklands..

The naysayers like julz can be buggered.. Docklands will be a success with more developments like this.

A-Brain - Im going to try and get myself on a tour of NAB Docklands (hopefully next week), if so I should be able to get a few pics. Otherwise I'm sure they would've put some up on the intranet now that there's people in there so either way should have some for you soon.

OK, I can't be bothered trying to find if there's separate threads for NAB and Watergate so here will do.

http://homepage.mac.com/jbadcock/Melbourne/docklands_march04/P1020282.jpg


http://homepage.mac.com/jbadcock/Melbourne/docklands_march04/P1020283.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/jbadcock/Melbourne/docklands_march04/P1020284.jpg

When did the National move in???

http://metropolis.tayser.net/projects/docklands/vicharbour/nab0204041.jpg

they're still moving everyone in stages
the first lot went in approx 3 weeks ago i think

here's a couple of nite pics (thanks again Dean and tayser)
Docklands security stopped me on this particular night and asked if the pics were for professional or personal use - seems that photos of the building aren't allowed (?!?)

http://metropolis.tayser.net/dme/dot2.jpg

http://metropolis.tayser.net/dme/dot3.jpg

Fantastic pics from Dottii.

Quote from last Thurs. 08/04/04 The Australian's Prime Space liftout:

"Woolworths' Safeway chain last month signed up for a 2500sq m anchor space at Lend Lease's Victoria Harbour development"

It doesn’t state exactly where, however Buckley Street fits the bill.

__________________________http://www.victoriaharbour.com.au/llweb/victoriaharbour/main.nsf/images/play_buckleyst2.jpg/$file/play_buckleyst2.jpg

I'm still wondering what will happen to this when most or most of the staff (how many are taking 'redundancy packages' or simply being laid-off for downsizing; oooops I mean economic rationalisation?) make the move. I imagine it will retain at the very least a rep. office. NAB occupied almost 3/4 of the 40-level 500 Bourke St scraper:

_______________________http://www.skyscraperphotos.com/cit/dme00/c/izme051.jpg

Level 29 NAB House is their registered HQ address - it still hasn't moved to Bourke Street West. NAB House's floorplates are medium-sized and I doubt they'd move out of it completely.

I didn't realise you edited your post dotti! If someone asks you next time you take pics, tell them to shut the hell up and mind their own business.... LOL ;) great pics!

thanks guys :)

I finally ended up getting into NAB Docklands last Thursday - have to say it's one hell of a building - fantastic views, all open plan and the Atrium is unbelievable....

I hope they demolish the old bugger.

I hope they demolish the old bugger.

Don't be 'stew-pid' blabbs !! Demolish a solid density-adding Melbourne 500ft'er ??? They won't replace it if they did you know..

Nup ... this old bugger is ripe for a red-hot refurb. I know it's hard to picture but they could really go nuts on this one. Those unique bevelled edges with the protruding super-columns could form the basis of an amazing new exterior. I'm thinking blue-glass and steel perhaps..

Maybe add another two sections on top, add what Ab mentioned (blue-glass and steel) and turn it into part resi part office. Wonder how high it would be if that happened? Ab? Cul?

some of docklands park is open, the water feature is sensational apart from the crap written on the boat by some hippie-come-socialst idiot posing as an artist - big suprise. some of the slogans written over the feature are laughable and factually wrong, but anything goes in the name of art!

the nab campus is decent enough, all the bad bits will be covered by other buildings so who cares...as for the temporary pick-up sticks on the waterfront...shit!

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/vic.JPG

night shot courtesy of stavros, urbanmelbourne.com i think?

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/stav.JPG

The Docklands is a sensational project for Melbourne, a true re birth i honestly hope that i am still alive to see this monumental project finished in 20 or 30 years time. That water feature is stunning

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/nab.jpg

Wow julz a positive comment about Melbourne !!!!

In this case your comments are definately right.. if more stuff like this amazing Water Sculpture end up filling Docklands it will be World Class in a very short period of time..

Those NAB buildings are fan-fucking-tastic. It looks 1000 times better on a sunny day with blue sky though, but every other day the docklands still looks fantastic!

Yeah the Paddlesteamers (look at the dual chimney-like pylon / chunky-spire / exhaust / stink (lol) pipe things and tell me that doesn't remind you of a paddlestreamer that would work the St. Lawrence or Mississippi!) are getting there, the boardwalk / plaza infront on the harbour you can tell is going to be a massive hit too! Very inviting!

question - whats with the 'artwork' (cow in the tree, etc)?

i was told that every company who set up camp @ Docklands had to contribute something to that effect in the area - is this right?

each developer has to spend 1% of the total value of the development, so $1-2 million from each of MAB, Mirvac and Lend Lease goes toward public art. dont know what authority controls docklands park?

1% of 1.8 billion is 18 million, so that's how much Lend Lease has to spend on public art for Victoria Harbour, that's a lot of public art!

The next commerical release will be the proposed (90m to top of highest habitable floor) Collins Street Landing Commerical Tower.

Location map:
http://www.victoriaharbour.com.au/llweb/victoriaharbour/main.nsf/images/work_precincts_mapcollins_l.jpg/$file/work_precincts_mapcollins_l.jpg

DOCKLANDS RETURNS TO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE

Date: 18 April 2004

VicUrban Chairman, Tony Darvall, said that the announcement today by the State Government on future municipal management of the Docklands Area provided welcomed certainty as to which local Council would have jurisdiction over the area.

The Government announced that municipal management of the Docklands Area would return to the Melbourne City Council (MCC) in time for the precinctÕs residents to take part in MCC elections in 2008.

VicUrban, the GovernmentÕs sustainable urban development agency, manages the Docklands development which was previously the responsibility of the former Docklands Authority. VicUrban will remain the development authority for the Area.

Mr Darvall said VicUrban would work with council and the Department of Victorian Communities to ensure a seamless transition over the period.

"VicUrban has been keen to see a clear path for conventional local government to return to Docklands, and for the vital place management role to also be the clear responsibility of an appropriate body," Mr Darvall said.

"The Government has introduced an orderly process to transfer municipal responsibilities, which will include timing, as part of the negotiation process.

"The decision will also provide long-term certainty for the rating of the Docklands Area which will become part of the City of Melbourne."

Docklands City Manager, Peter Anderson, said Docklands is a precinct for all Victorians and visitors to enjoy.

"Its major public assets required appropriate management to ensure they are activated, well presented, safe and secure areas to fulfil that vision,"
Mr Anderson said.

Melbourne Docklands is set to become a major tourism asset of Melbourne and Victoria expected to attract 20 million visitors a year.

Already, the precinct attracts five million visitors a year including to Telstra Dome, cafes, restaurants and bars, and to events and activities throughout the precinct.

Three thousand residents Ð owner-occupiers and resident tenants Ð call Docklands 3008 home; there are expected to be 5,000 residents by the end of 2005 and there is a projected 20,000 residents in the precinct when complete in 10-12 years.

And, 3000 office commuters already come to a Docklands workplace each day with a projected worker population of 25,000. Workplaces include the Telstra Dome, AFL House and associated businesses, National Australia Bank, eateries, services and businesses.

In the coming year, further transfers and workers from the Federal Bureau of Meteorology and Medibank Private will join their other Docklands colleagues swelling daily commuters to 6,000.

The Docklands development, the largest construction project in Australia, has to date attracted $7.4 billion of committed private sector investment with $2.3 billion completed or under construction.

Melbourne Docklands is integrated with the CBD via the free City Circle Tram Loop, as well as regular tram and ferry services, the Bourke St Pedestrian Bridge, the Collins Street extension and the La Trobe Street extension.

I still think, that its a pitty that the CBD grid was not fully extended into the Docklands. I still wish that Lonsdale St and especially Flinders St were pushed through into the Docklands. I also see no reason why that road between Flinders (over Coillins) to Bourke St was not straightened!

I still think, that its a pitty that the CBD grid was not fully extended into the Docklands. I still wish that Lonsdale St and especially Flinders St were pushed through into the Docklands. I also see no reason why that road between Flinders (over Coillins) to Bourke St was not straightened!

Well Flinders street is in Docklands, it can't go much further. The road between flinders and bourke (stadium dve i think), can't be straightened because of the collins street bridge, if it was straightened then the road would almost go under collins street instead of intersect with it, and lonsdale street can't couldn't be extended because of telstra dome.

I dont think the grid needed to be in docklands! It will look 'different' not having the grid!

LK

Flinders St should have been extended to link with Collins St.

I understand your point about Stadium Drive, but why did it have to intersect with the entrance to the car park? Hang on, why do we need such a major road anyway? Why wasn't Docklands Blv extended south to Flinders St and why on earth do we need Wurundjeri Way? Now that is the most stupid road in the Docklands!

Flinders St should have been extended to link with Collins St.

I understand your point about Stadium Drive, but why did it have to intersect with the entrance to the car park? Hang on, why do we need such a major road anyway? Why wasn't Docklands Blv extended south to Flinders St and why on earth do we need Wurundjeri Way? Now that is the most stupid road in the Docklands!

Why???

Because you don't want a traffic laden heavy road running riight along the foreshore where people are walking and along the edge of the Park ...

The Road *used* to do that - it was called Footscray Rd and it was a shocker .. Wurundjeri Way was created to divert all that heavy traffic out of the way behind Telstra Dome leaving the lovely slow sedate Docklands Dve which is much more pedestrian friendly along the waterfront..

Why?

The reason why Tullamarine Freeway was extended to meet the Westgate Freeway was so that all the traffic along the old Footscray Road woudl use that new freeway and not the Docklands.

BUT that freeway is a tollway and not everybody wants to pay to drive therefore Wurundjeri way was needed.

Why?

The reason why Tullamarine Freeway was extended to meet the Westgate Freeway was so that all the traffic along the old Footscray Road woudl use that new freeway and not the Docklands.

Yeah .. exactly.. and if you check out Wurundjeri Way you will find that it carries a *LOOTT LESS* traffic than the old Footscray Rd did before the City Link was built..

But nonetheless - you *STILL MUST HAVE* a main thoroughfare through the Docklands area to carry traffic from Footscray area through to the other sides of the CBD (without passing through it) - and the new traffic scheme serves that purpose perfectly.

Traffic is diverted from Footscray Rd left into the ugpraded Dudley St, where you can either drive straight onto Northern Melbourne or down Wurundjeri to Southern Melbourne.

Hang on a minute. the reason why the Tulla was extended was so that all the traffic going through the Dockalnds would be removed. By building the new road, encourages trucks to still use the Docklands as a bypass when they shouldn't!

FFS.. one more time - building a freeway does not mean you can remove 100.00% of *all* heavy traffic, ok ??? Society doesn't work that way.

Once again, traffic volumes on Wurundjeri Way are GREATLY REDUCED than the old pre-freeway setup.

But you Still Must Provide a means for some heavy traffic to go through the Docklands area ok ???

At some point on some day of some year I am sure there is one truck that needs to make a delivery from the Footscray Food Market or Ship Dock over to the Exhibition Centre or something ok ???

If I sound like I'm repeating myself I think I am !!

:bash: :bash: :wallbash: :wallbash:

But you Still Must Provide a means for some heavy traffic to go through the Docklands area ok ???
Why?

Why can't they use Citylink?

That's what its there for. To be used by trucks and trucks in the Docklands area! :D

here's some pics of the views that Lego Land (aka NAB Docklands) get to enjoy (thanx tays :) )

i swear, i'd never get any work done if i had these staring me in the face for 9 hours a day.....

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/dotti/Nab1.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/dotti/nab2.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/dotti/nab3.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/dotti/nab4.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/dotti/nab5.jpg

not a prob, I dunno what's wrong with the older Docklands pics - I'll have to reupload them,

cheers

go Docklands!

do u work there? nice view...

Why?

Why can't they use Citylink?

That's what its there for. To be used by trucks and trucks in the Docklands area! :D
Think about this: All the construction traffic including semi trailers, concrete trucks, mobile cranes etc etc. Where would it travel????? All of the over dimensional and over size loads are not permitted on city link sometimes, we have to go where Vic Roads tells us to go through the OD permit system. Sometimes the permit makers seem to find very direct routes, others it seems like we have to go via Mildura just to get from one suburb to the next.

here's some pics of the views that Lego Land (aka NAB Docklands) get to enjoy (thanx tays :) ) i swear, i'd never get any work done if i hadWell that's more-than-likely true! Hey Dottii, weren't you stopped by guards after you got some nice night shots of NAB? Now you're in the building!! :?

Well that's more-than-likely true! Hey Dottii, weren't you stopped by guards after you got some nice night shots of NAB? Now you're in the building!! :?

yeah i know...go figure
i was walking around all day like some tourist taking happy snaps and not once did i get stopped - so much for security....

Had a wander around Vic. Harbour today; there are signs that Lend Lease is clearing the decks, but those earlier replies in this thread about Dock 5 have proven optimistic; still no action. The promenade level of NAB is coming along, with a bar/cafe now open at the western end of NAB2. Some history went recently when the old gatehouse for North Wharf was demolished, and now some old warehouses just along from NAB are a pile of rubble. I walked across the western edge of the new park, which is looking great, with water in some of the little lakes and lots more planting. I realized that Park Terrace, the low rise bit on sale at present, will have a great outlook; it's not a water view, but a real amphitheatre of high rise will surround it, from YE to the south, past Village Docklands (up to about 6?), etc.etc right around to NAB and NewQuay to the north (and Dock 5, eventually!). With a big park in front, and a big skyline, and shopping on Buckley Street, running north-south, it should be a winner, once we work through this market shakeout.

Hi,

I am currently building a portal for docklands, it will have lots of information about docklands, the buildings, businesses, attractions etc, etc.

We are looking for the following.

1. Suggestions to what you would like in the site.
2. People to contribute to the site articles / photos / stats.
3. Anything else you might think will help.

Here's what we have on the drawing board.

1. Forum
2. Free Web Based email for residents
3. Local facilities, shops, schools
4. Events
5. News
6. Monthly News Letter
7. Surveys
8. Competitions

I've read lots of forums and this one has lots of great content and some top photos. Obviously you would need to be the owner of the content.

Regards
Plucka

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/06/29/1088487966312.html

$100m Docklands tower to go ahead
By Royce Millar
City Reporter
June 30, 2004

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/06/29/docklands,0.jpg

An artist's impression of the Victoria Harbour development. Construction of the Dock 5 luxury residential tower begins next Friday.
Picture:Supplied

Construction giant Lend Lease will defy property doomsayers and proceed with a $100 million apartment tower at Docklands.

Next Friday, Premier Steve Bracks will turn the first sod to start construction of the Dock 5 luxury residential project, part of Lend Lease's $2 billion development of Docklands' largest precinct, Victoria Harbour.

Most similar projects require presales of 70 per cent to 80 per cent to proceed, but Lend Lease project director David Moeller confirmed that Dock 5 would go ahead with sales of just 60 per cent. Apartments range in price from $400,000 to $4 million.

Lend Lease began marketing Dock 5, designed by Melbourne architect John Wardle, in late 2002. Property market doubters have speculated that the slump in the apartment market would force the shelving of the project.

Mr Moeller denied the tower was risky. "We're in this for the long haul so we don't get caught up so much in the ups and downs of the market," he said.

"We always knew we'd have to get through the tough times and the good times. If we walked away that would be contrary to the confidence we have in the (Victoria Harbour) project."

Mr Moeller expects the market to improve by the end of next year, and for the 148 Dock 5 apartments to be sold before completion in 2006. He is aiming for 70 per cent of the tower to be owner-occupied. Much of the negative comment about the apartment market, including comments by the Reserve Bank and Treasurer Peter Costello, has related to the investor market.

But property analysts BIS Shrapnel are less optimistic and expect rising interest rates through 2006 and 2007 to keep the market quiet until the end of the decade. Building services director Robert Mellor said that, with rates likely to rise to 9.5 per cent, there was a risk for Lend Lease in Dock 5. "That (rate rise) would scare the daylights out of investors."

He said unless the market picked up, owner-occupiers would be wary about buying at Docklands as they would be reluctant to sell existing homes.

Analysts Charter Keck Cramer said it helped luxury projects to start construction to give potential purchasers something real to look at. Research director Robert Papaleo said stamp duty savings for buying off-the-plan were less important to upper-end purchasers.

"They want to touch it and feel it to ensure the quality suggested by the marketing material lives up to what's being touted."

VicUrban chief executive John Tabart welcomed the decision to proceed with Dock 5. "It's another feather in the cap for Lend Lease and Docklands," he said.

This should be an excellent tower, another one to add to the list!

I just want that Marina to start construction lol ;)

He's got a point. I mean, no matter what the demand for apartments now there is always going to be demand for all the apartments somewhere down the track. If they are planning a long term tower then why can't it be built now with people moving in and out of their apartments over the period of years.

well that's great news; will add some density and will be a stretch to Vic Point and Watergate, - kind of a central cluster between new quay and yarra edge.

Great news for Docklands and good luck to Lendlease for having the foresight to tackle this large project.
It should have a knock on effect with some of the other proposed projects and maybe some of the "nervous nellies" that are hanging back will now get on board.

Quote: Rates likely to rise to 9.5 % ......

Shit some people are so negative !!! They are Never optimistic, just pessimistic all the time ! I mean , why on earth would ratess rise to 9.5 % when they are currently at 6.5 % ???

Cheers

Lozza

^^Well, there won't be any rate rises until after the Federal Election, which should be around October, but with interest rates certainly likely to rise in other global economies (particularly in the US), Australia basically has to follow suit or fall behind economically.

In that paragraph they speak in reference to "the end of the decade", which is 5 or so years off, so it's not that much of a rate rise over that period of time really. If we can keep control of inflationary pressures, it may not even reach 9.5%, and similarly, Australia's strong economic growth over the past few years has been largely supported by the housing boom, so I can't imagine the next few years are going to require the same level of "cooling down" of the economy.

At the same time though, the only reason that an interest rate of 9.5% sounds so high is because we've had a period of very low interest rates for quite some time. Predicting higher interest rates is only a negative viewpoint from certain perspectives - there are many other investors (in government bonds and long term interest-earning deposits for example) who probably think it sounds like a positive move.

Considering the quick succession of rate rises in November and December last year, as well as the increased immigration rates and thus demand for housing, I don't think a rise to 9.5% by the end of this decade is at all an unrealistic projection.

This is great news, means construction will still be going on in docklands during slump between cycles...

Cool !:rock:

As long as rent goes up to cover the rate rise , i will be happy with that !

Cheers

Lozza :rock:

This is good news for Docklands' long term sustainability, that its largest contractor/developer, Lend lease, has confidence in the precinct and that it will start construction of this great looking tower in a period of matket unceratinty. 10/10 LL.

Besides its 60% sold so i dont really see the big issue anyway.

Add another 90m+ tower UC in Melbourne.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

Yeah boo-ya for Docklands - another majorly important piece of Docklands is underway.

Dock 5 along with NAB will balance out the central waterfront that New Quay & Watergate are doing now - so the centre area in 2-3 years will really feel 'integrated & complete' in some sense of the word - whereas now as people have rightly pointed out, New Quay still feels kinda isolated.

Now if only they can get started on doing something with the god-awful Goods-Sheds in the middle to tidy those up.. Docklands will be into the main stretch!

^^Well, there won't be any rate rises until after the Federal Election, which should be around October, but with interest rates certainly likely to rise in other global economies (particularly in the US), Australia basically has to follow suit or fall behind economically.

In that paragraph they speak in reference to "the end of the decade", which is 5 or so years off, so it's not that much of a rate rise over that period of time really. If we can keep control of inflationary pressures, it may not even reach 9.5%, and similarly, Australia's strong economic growth over the past few years has been largely supported by the housing boom, so I can't imagine the next few years are going to require the same level of "cooling down" of the economy.

At the same time though, the only reason that an interest rate of 9.5% sounds so high is because we've had a period of very low interest rates for quite some time. Predicting higher interest rates is only a negative viewpoint from certain perspectives - there are many other investors (in government bonds and long term interest-earning deposits for example) who probably think it sounds like a positive move.

Considering the quick succession of rate rises in November and December last year, as well as the increased immigration rates and thus demand for housing, I don't think a rise to 9.5% by the end of this decade is at all an unrealistic projection.
If anyone can accurate predict where the interest rate is going to be at the end of the decade (more than half left to go), they'd be millionaires. No point conjecturing - we could be in a depression or boom that far into the future, depending on WHAT HAPPENS. Anybody with a crystal ball? Please lend it when you're done with it. By any measure, 9.5% is a HIGH interest rate, even though we've had low rates for so many years.

Lend Lease announces major Victorian investment creating more than 800 new jobs

Lend Lease Corporation ("Lend Lease") today announced construction commencement of Victoria Harbour's $155 million-Dock 5 project, consolidating our leading position in inner-urban, high-value residential developments along the eastern seaboard.

Lend Lease Asia Pacific Chief Executive Officer, Mr Ross Taylor, said the company's investment in Victoria Harbour which is a mix of residential, retail, commercial and public activity, aligns with our business model as an important plank in pursuing value-enhancing urban community developments.

"The prestigious residential development as well as associated infrastructure and retail assets as part of Dock 5 will boost economic activity in the State of Victoria generating 765 new construction jobs and 68 permanent jobs, totalling 833 positions during the next two years," said Mr Taylor.

"The interest in Victoria Harbour against the current property market backdrop is also encouraging. Lend Lease is experiencing solid sales rates as we continue to sell consistently across all price ranges in this precinct from $400,000 to $4 million.

"We recently sold our first penthouse in Dock 5, valued at approximately $3.9 million which is a resounding vote of confidence for Lend Lease's decision to invest in the development and reiterates our confidence that the prospects of the State of Victoria are encouraging for business," Mr Taylor said.

The Dock 5 project includes 148 premium dwellings, of which more than 60 percent are pre-sold.

Mr Taylor confirmed that Victoria Harbour's scale and uniqueness as Melbourne's only peninsula, bordered by 3.7 km of waterfront, has been a prominent factor of the project's success.

In confirming the commencement of construction, Mr Taylor noted that Victoria Harbour's four planks of 'live, learn, work, and play' are well progressed barely two and half years since the master-plan development was launched.

Mr Taylor said, "Lend Lease engaged John Wardle, one of Australia's renowned architects and winner of 16 awards, 10 of which are for outstanding residential work, to design Dock 5, which is testament to the prestigious residential offering.

"The Dockland Skilling and Employment program provides innovative and collaborate skilling and employment in the Docklands region of which Lend Lease and VicUrban were the founding members. The program has already seen 23 trainees graduate.

"By September this year we will have 3,500 employees of the National Australia Bank settling into their new generation harbour frontage headquarters worth $240 million.

"It is noteworthy that we have already 10 retailers committed to take up approximately one third of the total retail space. Harbour Promenade, a retail precinct underneath the National Australia Bank that will eventually extend to Dock 5, will feature a new bar, cafes and restaurants close to a public jetty, and two light filled pavilions.

"Melbourne's famed restaurateur Sam Zeneldin has committed to a large retail and restaurant slice in what is considered a significant waterfront /retail and restaurant investment in Australia. We also have pre-commitment from Safeway Supermarkets to open a full service store in Buckley Street, the shopping strip that will become the community and cultural heart of the entire Docklands," said Mr Taylor.

ENDS

For further information please contact:

David Moeller
Project Director Victoria Harbour
Tel: 03 8600 6133

Jessica Nulley
Tel: 03 9426 1321 / 0412 139 218 Roger Burrows
Lend Lease Corporation
Tel: 02 9236 6116 Lina Melero
Lend Lease Corporation
Tel: 02 9237 5503

Victoria Harbour is Melbourne's only peninsula bordered by 3.7 km of waterfront, (1.6 km of which are north facing) and 30-hectares of land currently being developed by Lend Lease. The site is the centrepiece of the Docklands project, enjoying spectacular views of Victoria Harbour, Yarra River, Bolte Bridge and city skyline, all within minutes of the CBD and surrounding arterial roads.

BACKGROUNDER

Actual Developments:

"LIVE" - Dock 5

As construction of the prestigious residential development, Dock 5 commences, it will include the establishment of new infrastructure linking Harbour Promenade (situated underneath the National Australia Bank) to Dock 5.

Dock 5 is currently experiencing solid sales rates and is underpinned by a unique offering and adherence to quality design principles as a result of designing from the inside out to maximise views and living space.

Lend Lease has received strong interest from buyers looking for something extra. The average selling price is $900,000 for residential homes at Dock 5, with a number of sales in excess of $2 million.

While many developments have drawn buyers from the investment market, total Dock 5 pre-sales comprise 70 percent owner occupiers. Commencement of construction sends a strong message to reinforce buyer confidence in Victoria Harbour.

"LEARN" - Skilling & Employment

Docklands Skilling & Employment (DSE) is a collaborative program that provides employment, education and training services to advance skilling and employment in the Docklands region. Lend Lease and VicUrban were founding members.

In April this year, 23 trainees graduated with the completion of the Office Administration New Apprenticeships Access Program.

DSE are in the process of delivering the first 'Docklands Orientation' program, and developing a program to assist local students in their transition from school to work.

"WORK" - The National Australia Bank

The $240 million National Australia Bank flagship development with Bourke Street frontage is nearing completion. The first of two buildings is now fully occupied accommodating 1,900 employees. The workforce is expected to grow to 3,500 on completion of the second building in September this year.

Designed from the inside out, the new development provides the National Australia Bank with the opportunity to link the workplace environment to business and people strategies through the provision of a number of innovative features including: operable façade, wintergardens, sunrooms and daylight filled atriums in the centre of each building.

The new generation building features 59,000 sqm of A+ grade office space, consisting of two interconnected, highly transparent low-rise buildings that set new benchmarks in environmental and ergonomic design.

"PLAY" - Retail & Public Space

Victoria Harbour's residents will not only have essential amenities that will be available within their building but also within their immediate neighbourhood.

Approximately a third of Victoria Harbour's entire retail space of 17,500 sqm has been taken up including waterfront retail and restaurant investment and pre-commitment for a full service Safeway supermarket.

Harbour Promenade, a 1,600 sqm retail precinct underneath the National Australia Bank, is currently in final stages and will host a restaurant, three cafes, an IGA supermarket, a pharmacy and newsagency, a medical centre and a bar and grill.

72 percent of Dock 5's entire retail precinct (2,333 sqm) has been taken up by famed Melbourne restaurateur Sam Zeneldin, owner of Street Café in St Kilda and No. 3 Station Pier in Port Melbourne.

Under a pre-commitment contract, a 2,500 sqm Safeway supermarket will be anchored on Buckley Street. The street will host an additional 50 shops, commercial suites and residential dwellings and is set to become what Acland Street is to St Kilda, Oxford Street is to Paddington and Hastings Street to Noosa.

Several public places have been planned at strategic sites within Victoria Harbour. They include the corner of Collins on Bourke; Peninsula Park (situated at the tip of North Wharf), Victoria Dock, and the Grand Plaza.

A total of 6.6-hectares of public parklands and promenades have been designed to facilitate a community spirit and provide relaxation areas for all.

So there will be two supermarkets in Victoria Harbour, an IGA and a full service safeways. I think apartment rents in docklands will rise once they have a supermarket and a few other local shops.

And who said Docklands was struggling?

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,10091502%255E2862,00.html


Record $4mil for pad
Kamahl Cogdon, property reporter
10jul04

A MYSTERY Melbourne businessman has paid almost $4 million for a penthouse apartment at the Docklands.

Developers of the Dock 5 tower at Victoria Harbour said the $3.9 million sale of The Point penthouse was a Docklands record.
The penthouse deal, signed in the past couple of weeks, came after recent apartment sales of $2.69 million and $1.24 million, Lend Lease chief executive Ross Taylor said yesterday.

About 60 per cent of the 30-storey tower's 148 homes were sold for an average price of $900,000, Mr Taylor said.

Owner-occupiers accounted for about 70 per cent of buyers, he said.









The tower includes two penthouses, outdoor entertainment terraces, and city and harbour views over two levels.

Marking the start of construction on the $155 million Dock 5 tower yesterday, Premier Steve Bracks said Victoria's building industry was headed for a record 2003-04 financial year.

Building permits approved in the 11 months to May were $13.98 billion.

With a month until June's figures were released, it was likely Victoria would break $15 billion for the first time, he said.

Dean mentioned in another thread that Dock 5 was U/C and grollo's media realease post above indicates it also. Is there any movement on site yet?

How long after the media release does a tower 'actually' become u/c?? Sometimes it seems to take a while!

^ Yeah! keep hearing about 5 going ahead but...

...any preliminary works @ least happening down @ the site? Even tho' the site is a bit out of the way, any chance of somebody checkin' it out? Somebody with their Rialto VIP pass......huh?.....huh?

After all, this is another John Wardle tower :naughty:

:lock:

A Bit hard to see the Dock 5 site from the rialto.. Looks like they've put up a fence aroun d the perimeter but I can't see thru the NAB building to tell what's actually going on.....However I can see SFA going on at the waterfront site behind NQ

Dock 5 is definately a go - yes the boarding is going up and some preliminary excavation works are underway - but no piling yet.

But they wouldn't put fresh boarding up if construction was not going ahead..

Wrong thread I know but Vic Point & Conder are also crankin now.. both into the resi levels already..

It's the office, but not as we know it
July 24, 2004

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/23/1090464859183.html

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/07/23/nad_2407.jpg

In their funky Docklands building, NAB workers are at the forefront of an office revolution, writes Paul Robinson.

From the outside it resembles a giant Rubik's cube or a massive Lego house. Inside it seems like a life-sized doll's house in chic steel and red ironbark.

Overall, the National Australia Bank's new eye-catching headquarters beside Victoria Harbour at Docklands is a workplace at the cutting edge of design and technology.

Nicknamed N@D, the multi-coloured glass-panelled exterior, designed to recall the hectares of shipping containers once stacked on the site, is the counterpoint of the classic sandstone banks on Collins and Bourke streets.

They looked to Corinthian and Doric columns, grand main halls, marble panels, quiet corridors, closed offices and exclusive meeting rooms jammed into a multi-storey "masculine" high-rise.

N@D, according to its architect, James Grose, is far more inclusive, informal, communicative and "gender neutral", drawing inspiration from the family home, cafes, public buildings and shopping plazas.

Mr Grose, of Bligh Voller Nield, said marble and stone edifices of the past sought to present power, safety, trust and the conservative discretion of male financiers. But people now collaborated informally and worked in teams. Society had deregulated.

"This building is all about human interaction and communication," he said. "People move about in these spaces and bump into each other having informal meetings all over the place. They have already found their formal meeting times and email traffic are well down. This is not a male building; it has more feminine influences, but really it's gender neutral."

Walking into the $250 million N@D is strictly not old money. There are no NAB signs: just two glass revolving doors that draw people into a space dominated by a trendy cafe and an elevator. On the next level, feet tap on red timber flooring in a foyer exposed to a huge call centre where dozens of telephonists toil behind a wall of glass.

The inner sanctum shows N@D is all about light and space. A vast atrium rises eight storeys to a steel-framed glass ceiling, which evokes the old saw-toothed factories of an older industrial age. Two modern chimneys ascend the atrium, using natural airflow to keep the block at 27 degrees.

The building's wings are crisscrossed with metal gangways inlaid with ironbark. Mr Grose says they connect floors and allow people to "bump into each other" for casual meetings.

The humble tea room is replaced by modern kitchens, complete with island benches and cooking facilities. They are suppose to link work and family. Working areas are modular, open plans decked out in the latest ergonomic chairs and deskware. There are no private offices. At N@B everyone gets a view. Even senior managers are on the floor, making them visible and accessible to everyone.

Mr Grose says eliminating the office hierarchy has created enormous space for different styles of meeting places. There are glass boxes with room for 10 overlooking the atrium. Other spaces are defined by lounge chairs. There are private rooms for confidential sessions; informal conference spaces overlook the harbour. The designers also want meetings on the balconies.

Lisa Gray, who chairs the bank's wealth protection arm, said NAB saw an opportunity to construct something special. "We said, 'Let's be as bold as we can.' There was a feeling of energy and excitement that flowed from that."

Ms Gray believes the result encouraged a more intuitive style of leadership, more open to ideas - not welded to rigid structures. "In many ways it reflects the need to communicate widely and to be able to marshal people in teams as needs arise."

The design aided that accessible approach. "You can see people working and meeting. So instead of using email or telephones you can walk over and talk," Ms Gray says. "In many ways it's like being at home. That's what we've tried to build - a borderless city."

Ms Gray says preliminary evaluations suggest the design cuts meetings and email use. "Others are not quite sure because there is not a lot of infrastructure here (at Docklands)," she says. "Whereas they used to wander about the city and browse in a bookshop, that sort of thing isn't here yet."

Bank worker Shane Danaher is more cynical. The local Finance Sector Union delegate thinks it's a "nice new building" but he doubts its productivity value or its ability to democratise the workplace.

Mr Danaher, a retirement savings accounts administrator, disputes claims that N@D is a new workplace concept. "It's nice and new but I don't know if it's any better," he says. "

He concedes the layout has made managers more accessible: "But there's still a class structure.

"It might be a new building but the old structures are still here. It takes more than glass and steel to change that."

But NAB's general manager of financial services, Tim O'Leary, is happy with N@D. It has an egalitarian character, he says. "It's definitely more productive but that's hard to measure. I guess it's like that famous line in The Castle - 'It's the vibe'."

It's interesting, the larger version of that image in the print edition looks to be exactly what the ANZ's back office at Dorcas St is like - albeit with only 5 levels.

Has anyone ever been inside (worked for) NAB's Bourke Street HQ or the ANZ HQ? I'm interested to see if they ever carved bits of the floorplates up so as they could have stairs in between floors, independent of the core utilities....

any construction pix yet, or too early yet?
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/06/29/docklands,0.jpg
so is this one not far from Victoria Point? or YE?

Gday Cul ,

If you are looking at your picture , Victoria Point is directly to the right of Telstra Dome , and it would literally be about a 5 minute walk from Dock 5. watergate is just to the right of Victoria point too. Yarra's edge is not in your picture as it is way to the right. It would be about a 15 minute walk from dock 5

cheers

Lozza

thanx loz
sounds like Dockalnds will be full of scrapers come 2005.

History Lesson

http://www.thecollectormm.com/private/VictoriaDock1.jpg
July 1925, moored in Victoria Dock (harbour) are twenty-three destroyers and three larger ships of the visiting American fleet.

http://www.thecollectormm.com/private/VicHarbour1.jpg
Tranquil scene in Victoria Harbour from the not to distant past.

http://www.thecollectormm.com/private/VictoriaHarbour1.jpg
Victoria Harbour 2020? :)

those ships almost look like toys lol :)

I was thinking that too, mainly due to the docking angles, very unusual. Very awesome pic :D
stu

I'm slightly confused. Isn't Victoria Harbour in Hong Kong! Don't you mean Prt of Melbourne.

No, Victoria Harbour is the body of water in the middle of the Docklands in Melbourne that is connected to the Yarra River and Port Phillip Bay.

yes, thas right, but there also is a vic harbour in HK, seeming it was under british rule for awhile.... so yeah, but when we tlak of Vic Harbour on the melbourne boards...usally we are not talking about the one in hong kong.

No, Victoria Harbour is the body of water in the middle of the Docklands in Melbourne that is connected to the Yarra River and Port Phillip Bay.

Cheers mate. I wasnt too sure what was meant by victoria harbour in melb.

yes, thas right, but there also is a vic harbour in HK, seeming it was under british rule for awhile.... so yeah, but when we tlak of Vic Harbour on the melbourne boards...usally we are not talking about the one in hong kong.

Just like Docklands in London and Docklands in Melbourne...can get very confusing....and to make it more confusing Melbourne will also have a giant ferris wheel like the London Eye.

yeah, well might, i dont think they have approved of it, and if they have, blimey i am slow with the times.

It was approved quite a while ago, they are just searching for tenders/sponsor. They need a company to sponsor the wheel, it will give the company the chance to feature their logo on the wheel, it will also be named after e.g. "The Coca Cola Eye" "The Pepsi Wheel" "The Toyota Glass" whatever you like....

There is no big rush with this project anyway, the land has been aquired/set aside, and its not priorioty to start, as this project could be started this year, and still be ready for the Commonwealth Games in 2006.

:master: Any latest construction pics of Dock 5 tower's foundation works? Any preliminary work pics? Any construction pics would be appreciated.

^^ i went past on saturday and there were 2 big rigs driving piles all day. So it's definitely up and running. nothing to really see as yet.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

^^ Sounds grand to me :)

a uewepuep PTY LTD production:

http://www.melbournephotos.net/pics/2004-09-23%20Melbourne%20-%20North%20Wharf%20Rd/IMG_1258.jpg

what's with the lower two floors on the Western building?

what's with the lower two floors on the Western building?


:? Looks like something from Digital Habour!?

Actually it looks very similar to the podium of YE5.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

My guess - a car park?

My guess - a car park?

my guess an ugly mistake which will date quicker than bread.

any construction yet on dock 5?

They are just piling right now.

I was walking past the other day, it sounds like some weird drum music. :)
bang bang schhut ting! bang bang schhut ting!

^ :lol: - can just imagine you making those noises too dan :)

LOL LOL LOL - That description is perfect!

I remember those noises well. Woke up to that sound almost every morning when I lived at New Quay!

MG2

concrete is flowing, tower crane being delivered and core box is onsite, albeit in pieces. thankfully that purple crap on NAB will be covered sooner or later, NAB's deadline on the third building is up this december. could become another residential tower

the first pic is there simply for Eureka, my favourite view showing its great height (somewhere near top of tower crane)

anyone know how many levels Park Terrace will be?

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/vic200410.jpg

thats a stunning pic of southbank

anyone know how many levels Park Terrace will be?


4-5 at most,

http://www.victoriaharbour.com.au/llweb/victoriaharbour/main.nsf/images/live_resloclocation_map_l.jpg/$file/live_resloclocation_map_l.jpg

the footprint of the buildings is roughly half that of Dock 5 and it's up against the park *shrug*

(pink = residential)

check this bulky thing out, I guess that's Buckley Street on the side and the renders from a Yarra's Edge perspective.

http://www.victoriaharbour.com.au/llweb/victoriaharbour/main.nsf/images/work_precincts_collins.jpg/$file/work_precincts_collins.jpg

^ looking forward to seeing the detail of that

it's from Vic Harbour's site under work precincts "Collins Street & Collins Landing"

http://www.victoriaharbour.com.au/llweb/victoriaharbour/main.nsf/images/work_precincts_mapcollins_l.jpg/$file/work_precincts_mapcollins_l.jpg

:banana:

Actually Park Terrace is approx 12 levels(3 buildings joined together) from memory. That should start up soon as well. they've had strong sales with it.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

Not the best of pictures...but I thought i would post to show the basics of what is happening! There are going to be a few more cranes around soon!

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/lukekasper/dock5.jpg

Anyone get the "Victoria Harbour Times" in today's Age? Not much new stuff. Same old renders, Safeway opening up a supermarket in Victoria Harbour... That's about it.

^ ^ Ah cool. I collect those.

Ah, just picked up the copy.

O.K. they've now given it a name and it's Issue One for Spring. That would of course indicate it will come out quarterly, keeping up the momentum.

Dock 5 @ Vic harbour features prominently. It's good to see the Kuok Hotel envelope always still being included in the masterplan.

Best article is a one-page interview with John Wardle (Dock 5, QV Resi etc)..

Yeah, i like the header image for that newsletter thingy, very cool pano, looks like it was from the top of Bolte.

Dunno if i should say it here, but the Medibank building on collins street bridge had 2 fire trucks outside of it this afternoon, when i got there, they just left, dunno what was wrong.

did I glimpse a tower crane down at dock 5 from the elevated road this arvo?????

http://www.melbournephotos.net/pics/2004-11-10%20Melbourne%20-%20Construction%20updates%20from%20Rialto/IMG_1609.jpg

has anyone done a current crane count in melbourne recently? would be interesting to know. i dont think it is as many as earlier this year. alot of Southbank has compelted now. Only Eureka and FWP uc now.

Take a look at "The Melbourne Quiz" on the lower right of page 3 in the Victoria Harbour Times.

*tsk* *tsk*

Melburnians. :)

I tell u guys, if you can invest in Victoria Harbour, do it now ! It will be awesome in 5 years time !

Cheers

Lozza :bowtie:

It is a very exciting time for development in Melbounre!! My question is where do we park when we want to go to the football at Telstra Dome? As the towers go up, the amount of car parking space goes down!

There is parking under Telstra Dome, but I gather its expensive. At least it is there though.

It is a very exciting time for development in Melbounre!! My question is where do we park when we want to go to the football at Telstra Dome? As the towers go up, the amount of car parking space goes down!

and that's a bad thing?

the last thing we need is to create a Fountain Gate or Dandenong out of all the land by giving a proportional amount of car parking to every building in Docklands.

Yeah there is parking under the Dome.... it is not too expensive it is just a bitch to get in and out of before and after a game (so many others...). There are also plenty of parks at that end of the city in multilevels a short walk away, trams run right outside of it, and of course what will be a world class railway station is only about 3 mins walk away.... I don'k think transport to the Dome is really that much trouble ;)

Stu

I like walking to the Dome, it's good exercise. Wouldn't mind a penthouse in VP though, view straight in.

It is a very exciting time for development in Melbounre!! My question is where do we park when we want to go to the football at Telstra Dome? As the towers go up, the amount of car parking space goes down!

You take a tram or train to Spencer Street Station. There is no need to drive to the Docklands or even the CBD or in fact the inner city too!

http://www.melbournephotos.net/pics/2004-11-10%20Melbourne%20-%20Construction%20updates%20from%20Rialto/IMG_1609.jpg

Thanks Dan, more towers on the left of the road so maybe another one soon, long time before they will be used here.

has anyone done a current crane count in melbourne recently? would be interesting to know. i dont think it is as many as earlier this year. alot of Southbank has compelted now. Only Eureka and FWP uc now.


Cull, look in the crane thread

Does anyone know when Park Terrace will begin construction, they have been advertising the shit out of it recently so you'd think it would be just around the corner.


And you guys are probably sick of this being asked, but when the hell are we going to find out what is going on at central pier. It keeps being talked up as the centre piece of docklands but they don't do anything about it. Commonwealth games would now appear unrealistic for it, wouldn't it?

Jeez, that looks dense! Does anyone know what is the forecasted population: planned population of the Docklands project? As Im aware Melb is only just under 600 000 people from being Australia's largest city! So what are the population forecasts for the project and when is it due for completion?

Docklands is more a mix of many large projects rather than one big one... but overall the area will house about 20'000 people. Remember that it incorporates a large park and a lot of open urban spaces in with that density. The entire precinct won't be finished until probably 2015 or later.

Stu

Jeez, that looks dense! Does anyone know what is the forecasted population: planned population of the Docklands project? As Im aware Melb is only just under 600 000 people from being Australia's largest city! So what are the population forecasts for the project and when is it due for completion?

Population forecasts (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=109057)

Quote from the Docklands' website

"By 2015, the area is expected to become:

* A home for 20 000

* A workplace for 25 000 people in a wide range of employment

*A visitor destination for an average 55 000 people per day."

Editorial:

The figures for residents in particular seem low. We are talking big here, and over 10 years from now. A HUN Docklands' liftout that I have from Feb., 2001 lists residency as 15,000 so already the prediction in just over 3 years has shot up to an extra 5,000 residents.

..but of course it will depend on market fluctuations over the next decade.

You take a tram or train to Spencer Street Station. There is no need to drive to the Docklands or even the CBD or in fact the inner city too!

Thats sounds good! But! I live in a suburb that is also part of Frankston City and the nearest train station is too far, there are no trams this far out and I don't think buses run that late at night considering most Essendon home matches I go to are at night! I don't think I would feel safe on a train on the Frankston Line or leaving my car parked there which takes 10 to 15 minutes to drive to the station anyway. There is no doubt that I would use public transport if I lived in the inner city! I live in the sprawl so it's not that easy!

In future, I will park my car at some of the multilevel car parks in the city and walk as I love taking in the sights. I have parked at Eureka before but thats a long walk!! but a scenic one! Tayser! I wouldn't want to see the docks made into a Dandenong or Fountain Gate either!

Eureka is a great place to park actually.... it is cheaper than most other places in the area and you can always get a park (not too many know about it yet). I always feel sorry for the sucka's parking at Crown on a Sat night when a fantastic 10 minute walk along the river will save 'em half the cash and all the hassle :lol:

Stu

Finally got myself a digital camera...been a long time coming! Got a little Sony 7MP P150 that is great for a take-anywhere pocket camera.

Anyway for a test run, I went down to central pier yesterday afternoon, great place to get a sense of the emerging urbanism of the place:

The NAB, Vic Point and Watergate seem to complement eachother quite well. I love the way that the NAB long, linear design contrasts with Vic Point's verticality, even if VP is not an exciting design:

http://img139.exs.cx/img139/8687/041217docklands15oj.jpg

http://img139.exs.cx/img139/360/041217docklands67hs.jpg

http://img139.exs.cx/img139/2025/041217docklands72ix.jpg

http://img139.exs.cx/img139/4082/041217docklands39ns.jpg

This view of YE5 will be completely built out in a few years:

http://img139.exs.cx/img139/3729/041217docklands25qf.jpg

The Condor definately is an improvement over the earlier "cookie cutter" towers. Opposite on docklands drive there is a billboard for a new commercial tower on the stadium side of La Trobe St: www.three60degrees.com.au (no website yet)

http://img139.exs.cx/img139/7185/041217docklands51wm.jpg

http://img139.exs.cx/img139/3210/041217docklands47qm.jpg

may I be the first to say:

holy shit!

Our first docklands intersection is looking awesome.

Nice. That'd all fit well in Sydney. It's a shame we have such a conservative CBD council. Great pics.