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Here are some of my photos from FedEx Field in Landover, Maryland. The photos were taken at the recent Washington Redskins 35-7 domination of the Dallas Cowgirls.

The stadium seats just over 90,000 people. I might be going to next weeks game against the New York Giants as well so I will be sure to take more photos of the stdium. from that game if I go.

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nice pics.

This is the largest stadium (capacity-wise) in the NFL, right?

^^
Yep.

Thanks. The pics are a bit blurred though.

So what does a ticket cost for a regular season game like that? Face price, not scalper price.

can i ask why a lot of football stadiums in the U.S dont have roof's?

So what does a ticket cost for a regular season game like that? Face price, not scalper price.
I sat in the lodge(clud) seats and for that game the tickets were $700 a piece. I didnt have to pay though because a family friend got us the tickets. The prices vary though. I would say the cheapest is $85.

I sat in the lodge(clud) seats and for that game the tickets were $700 a piece. I didnt have to pay though because a family friend got us the tickets. The prices vary though. I would say the cheapest is $85.

$85 for the cheapest tickets? Wow. I suppose that about £48. Similar to Chelsea I suppose.

can i ask why a lot of football stadiums in the U.S dont have roof's?

Sure you can.

But may I ask why a lot of football stadiums in Europe have roofs?

wtf i wasnt insulting it because it doesnt have a roof, i was just wondering why us stadiums dont generally have roof's?

wtf i wasnt insulting it because it doesnt have a roof, i was just wondering why us stadiums dont generally have roof's?

but I think you stepped into a boring old US v Europe issue.

They dont need roofs.
They play very few games
They have more of an inland climate in most places compared to western europe
If there is one wet and one cold game every year, its just part of the experience.
especially as the rest of their main sports outside the summer baseball season, basketball and ice hockey, are completly indoors.

actually, it looks great without a roof. as do all american stadiums without one. Again, we dont need roofs because we're not afraid to get a little wet and a little dirty, and get really fucking rowdy, unlike ....

actually, it looks great without a roof. as do all american stadiums without one. Again, we dont need roofs because we're not afraid to get a little wet and a little dirty, and get really fucking rowdy, unlike ....

If you had as much rainfall as some parts of Europe can sometimes get, the novelty of getting wet and not being bothered about it, would soon wear off, trust me.

One of the basics of football is that the elements of nature play a factor. You've got games where the windchill is way below 0f, it's snowing out, and there's guys in the stands wearing nothing but jeans. That's passion right there, I don't care how prestigious weather-perfected sports are said to be.

When I was younger, we'd WAIT for it to snow before we went out and played. It's just part of the game that you'd need to see around enough to understand, Euros.

Fedex looks a bit like wembley from the inside, without the roof.

My only angst against this stadium is the lack of covering so that the underside of the stands don't show. This is a probably in MANY stadium in the U.S. and in Europe though (as well as in my home town Soilder Field which would look so much better if it had one). The underside of stands are just not very attractive no matter what you do to them.

In Brazil as well as in Latin America almost all stadiums do not have roof, and rain very here, in São Paulo this year in one day rained the same of must have rained in one month.
Until I know nobody ever died for taking rain while he attended a soccer game.

And Fedex Field is a beutiful stadium with or without roof.

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Very impressive pictures. And a beautiful stadium it is! Looks really classic and classy! Just beautiful.

that stadium needs some new video screens, those things are puny considering the size of that stadium

nice stadium but needs a ROOF.Lol just kidding just kidding.No really though nice stadium in the summer looks real good

Not true in DC...There is interest in a new stadium there but not because of Dallas.

Deep down in side, we all know the Redskins only want a new stadium because of the Cowboys. They might not say it on the outside, but they say it on the inside.

Deep down in side, we all know the Redskins only want a new stadium because of the Cowboys. They might not say it on the outside, but they say it on the inside.

theres been talk about the redskins building a new stadium for years, long before the Cowboys started planning this one. Will it be designed to be bigger and better than JerryWorld?...of course-but it wont be built because of JerryWorld.

Why would the Redskins need a new stadium though? FedEx Field is just 10 years old!

The only reason the Giants and Jets are building a new stadium is because the Cowboys are building there next stadium and the Giants didn't want to be the ones in the NFC East with the old stadium. The Same thing is happening in Washington DC because the Redskins want a better stadium then the Cowboys, Eagles and Giants.

The world doesn't revolved around the Cowboys. Teams want new stadiums because they want to make more money.

Have they found Jimmy Hoffa?

Why would the Redskins need a new stadium though? FedEx Field is just 10 years old!



The world doesn't revolved around the Cowboys. Teams want new stadiums because they want to make more money.

Because FedEx Field sucks the big one.

Because FedEx Field sucks the big one.

They built it. No one forced them too. They should deal with it. The only team that DC should have helped out with a stadium deal is DC United. No one else.

They built it. No one forced them too. They should deal with it. The only team that DC should have helped out with a stadium deal is DC United. No one else.

no, FedEx was very forced. It was built outside of the District by Jack Kent Cooke to piss off the DC government and was very poorly designed. If the DC gov and the Redskins can work out a deal then they should get a new place to play. I can only assume that you have never been there as you dont know what your talking about.

no, FedEx was very forced. It was built outside of the District by Jack Kent Cooke to piss off the DC government and was very poorly designed. If the DC gov and the Redskins can work out a deal then they should get a new place to play. I can only assume that you have never been there as you dont know what your talking about.

So how was that forced then? Jack owned the team, and built the stadium. No one put a gun to his head. You are right. I have not been to Jack Kent Cooke Stadium. I have been to the old Capital Centre and RFK Stadium many times. But NO stadium should ever be obsolete in 10 years and no team should ever be talking about getting a new stadium after just getting one 10 years ago. Barring and structural saftey problems of course, of which I haven't read any.

So how was that forced then? Jack owned the team, and built the stadium. No one put a gun to his head. You are right. I have not been to Jack Kent Cooke Stadium. I have been to the old Capital Centre and RFK Stadium many times. But NO stadium should ever be obsolete in 10 years and no team should ever be talking about getting a new stadium after just getting one 10 years ago. Barring and structural saftey problems of course, of which I haven't read any.

The gun to his head was his age. Jack wanted the stadium built befre he died so it was built very quickly. It was to be the memorial to his legacy. Unfortunately in his rush a poor stadium design and built poorly. I dont understand why this is such a big deal. If they want a new one, then they get a new one.

The gun to his head was his age. Jack wanted the stadium built befre he died so it was built very quickly. It was to be the memorial to his legacy. Unfortunately in his rush a poor stadium design and built poorly. I dont understand why this is such a big deal. If they want a new one, then they get a new one.

Because there is no reason the city of DC should have to pay for it . I don't see any sympathy for the team on this one.

Because there is no reason the city of DC should have to pay for it . I don't see any sympathy for the team on this one.

Who said DC is going to HAVE to pay for it. Sure it would be nice, but a privately financed stadium is possible here.

the sidelines for american football are really good, but i think i doesnt even fit a football ground, is it??, i know it was not ment to be a football stadium, but it takes away the posibility for some extra revenue, and a possible world cup host for Washington.

the sidelines for american football are really good, but i think i doesnt even fit a football ground, is it??, i know it was not ment to be a football stadium, but it takes away the posibility for some extra revenue, and a possible world cup host for Washington.

Yes, it can host WC games

I have to say I love that in the US a 90,000 stadium gets slammed and there is talk of a new stadium for that team when the stadium is only 11 years old surely there be some minor work that could be done to improve it? Wouldn't the state be a bit pd off about having to pay towards a new stadium especially considering that they have already had to pay towards a new ballpark and also seeing as this is a very young stadium?

I have to say I love that in the US a 90,000 stadium gets slammed and there is talk of a new stadium for that team when the stadium is only 11 years old surely there be some minor work that could be done to improve it? Wouldn't the state be a bit pd off about having to pay towards a new stadium especially considering that they have already had to pay towards a new ballpark and also seeing as this is a very young stadium?

FedEx Field is a soulless monster. Its in a horrible location (which drives up parking costs) and has absolutely no atmosphere. Another thing most people dont realize is that FedEx was built as a 78k seater, not a 91k seater. The extra seats were squeezed in where ever possible. Everything seems forced or squeezed. The lower bowl has thousands of seats with their views blocked by columns. Its just not acceptable anymore. The new stadium could be privately financed, its the third richest team in the world, and our owner Dan Snyder isnt short on cash. Sometimes a team knows when they need a new stadium. Tropicana Field is in the process of being replaced and its not that old. Sure it was built in 1990 but since it began hosting baseball in 1998 it has almost doubled its construction cost in improvements.

What people outside of DC fail to understand is that before playing in the massive and open FedEx Field the Redskins played in tiny RFK Stadium. That place was loud, it had atmosphere. Its been referred to as the Boston Garden of football stadiums. People want something that wasnt forced or rushed. They want something that is built for the fans, something with a little personality. No amount of money spent or improvements on FedEx can do this.

FedEx Field is a soulless monster. Its in a horrible location (which drives up parking costs) and has absolutely no atmosphere. Another thing most people dont realize is that FedEx was built as a 78k seater, not a 91k seater. The extra seats were squeezed in where ever possible. Everything seems forced or squeezed. The lower bowl has thousands of seats with their views blocked by columns. Its just not acceptable anymore. The new stadium could be privately financed, its the third richest team in the world, and our owner Dan Snyder isnt short on cash. Sometimes a team knows when they need a new stadium. Tropicana Field is in the process of being replaced and its not that old. Sure it was built in 1990 but since it began hosting baseball in 1998 it has almost doubled its construction cost in improvements.

What people outside of DC fail to understand is that before playing in the massive and open FedEx Field the Redskins played in tiny RFK Stadium. That place was loud, it had atmosphere. Its been referred to as the Boston Garden of football stadiums. People want something that wasnt forced or rushed. They want something that is built for the fans, something with a little personality. No amount of money spent or improvements on FedEx can do this.

I see your point a stadium is nothing without its fans and if a stadium doesn't cater to the fans needs then clearly it isn't up to it. It still amazes me that such a large stadium could be disgarded so quickly after being built regardless of its faults. Do you reckon there will be announcment of a new stadium project soon then? I have to say this stadium sounds like a worse version of Old Trafford :lol:

I see your point a stadium is nothing without its fans and if a stadium doesn't cater to the fans needs then clearly it isn't up to it. It still amazes me that such a large stadium could be disgarded so quickly after being built regardless of its faults. Do you reckon there will be announcment of a new stadium project soon then? I have to say this stadium sounds like a worse version of Old Trafford :lol:

I have no idea if there will be anything announced soon. All talk about a new stadium has just been speculation. There has never been any official word of one. The thing is, our owner (Dan Snyder) is so unpredictable that tomorrow he could announce that a deal has been is the works for months and construction will start in a week. Of course im just exaggerating but you get my point.

Planned as a 78k?
Do you have plans or renderings and pics when it was opened?

Planned as a 78k?
Do you have plans or renderings and pics when it was opened?

no renderings...it didnt look any different when it opened than it does now because the extra seats were crammed in all around the structure.

Who said DC is going to HAVE to pay for it. Sure it would be nice, but a privately financed stadium is possible here.

The Skins are not going to want to pay for the stadium themself when the DC council gave the Montreal Expos a free stadium.

no renderings...it didnt look any different when it opened than it does now because the extra seats were crammed in all around the structure.

Are there pics of the inside the stadium before and after all those seats were crammed in?

can i ask why a lot of football stadiums in the U.S dont have roof's?

American football teams play an average of 8 home games per season (and this in the NFL, in college football it's even fewer). Of those 8 dates, how many can be rainy? Surely not all of them.

Well 10-12 including preseason and possible playoffs. But there is more to it than that, for a lot of us it's about going to see an outdoor sport outdoors, being in the elements is seen as a good thing, being under a roof is sort of halfway between. Also with the weather patterns in much of the country rain is not a big problem especially in autumn, markets where that is a problem (basically Seattle) there are substantial roofs.

The Skins are not going to want to pay for the stadium themself when the DC council gave the Montreal Expos a free stadium.

thats a pretty uneducated statement. They will have to fund most of the stadium's costs and they know it.

American football teams play an average of 8 home games per season (and this in the NFL, in college football it's even fewer). Of those 8 dates, how many can be rainy? Surely not all of them.

also, its just how the stadiums have evolved. Its just not the number of days the stadium is used. This isnt Europe where stadiums required roofs and then they just became customary. Being that there is almost no rain here we developed our stadiums as such over many decades. Our stadiums are a direct response to our environment.

Are there pics of the inside the stadium before and after all those seats were crammed in?

It looked exactly as it does now, hence the use of the word "crammed"

thats a pretty uneducated statement. They will have to fund most of the stadium's costs and they know it.

Teams will always try to get the local council to pay as much as possible. Just look at the new Yankee and Mets stadium. Everyone said how those were great deals because the teams were paying for the stadiums. At the end of the day, the city and state will be paying as much as $800 mill, and maybe even more.

Teams will always try to get the local council to pay as much as possible. Just look at the new Yankee and Mets stadium. Everyone said how those were great deals because the teams were paying for the stadiums. At the end of the day, the city and state will be paying as much as $800 mill, and maybe even more.

yes but this isnt New York. There are limits on how much the city can spend and everyone knows that. Its not even certain that a new stadium will be built in the District, Virginia can possibly find some room near the Potomac to build on.

yes but this isnt New York. There are limits on how much the city can spend and everyone knows that. Its not even certain that a new stadium will be built in the District, Virginia can possibly find some room near the Potomac to build on.

But if the Skins tell Marlyand/DC, either build us a new stadium or we are going to Virginia...... that's a lot of pressure....

The world doesn't revolved around the Cowboys. Teams want new stadiums because they want to make more money.

Im talking about the NFC East and the teams in it.

But if the Skins tell Marlyand/DC, either build us a new stadium or we are going to Virginia...... that's a lot of pressure....

Here is an idea, tare down RFK and build a new one there.

Here is an idea, tare down RFK and build a new one there.

Only if DC United of MLS get their new stadium at poplar point......

But if the Skins tell Marlyand/DC, either build us a new stadium or we are going to Virginia...... that's a lot of pressure....

No its not, not even close. The Redskins fanbase IS DC/MD/VA. The Skins HQ is in Virginia. They have training camp there. Heck, they could built it in Maryland again if they want to. It really doesnt matter where they build it as long as its closer to the city and near the Metro. Theres no pressure.

Here is an idea, tare down RFK and build a new one there.

They should, it would be the best scenario, but VA or MD would have to pitch in if the Redskins decide they dont want to pay all of it on their own.

While Fed Ex Field is not on a metro station. It isn't that far from the metro at all. Morgan Blvd is only a 15 minute walk from the Blue line. I should know. I live right on it. But go to hell redskins.:banana:

While Fed Ex Field is not on a metro station. It isn't that far from the metro at all. Morgan Blvd is only a 15 minute walk from the Blue line. I should know. I live right on it. But go to hell redskins.:banana:

well those are fightin words buddy

D.C. Leaders Hope To Lure Skins Back From Suburbs


WASHINGTON -- Ever since losing the Washington Redskins to FedEx Field in Landover, Md., D.C. leaders have been trying to get the team back to Washington, and the effort continues with Mayor Adrian Fenty's administration.

The storied Redskins history in the nation's capital ruptured in the early '90s. Former Mayor Sharon Pratt Kelly fumbled an effort to keep the team in D.C., insulting former Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke, News4's Tom Sherwood reported.

Next, former Virginia Gov. Doug Wilder thought he had the team, and Cooke seemed insulted when News4 questioned that deal. But three months later, the Virginia deal was dead.

Cooke finally built FedEx Field.

Now, D.C. Council Finance Committee Chairman Jack Evans is working with Fenty to lure the team back from the suburbs.

Fenty and Evans agree any deal must be good for the city as well as the Redskins.

A spokesman for Redskins owner Dan Snyder said, "We're happy where we are and we have 20 years left to be there."

The city doesn't see that as a "no." It envisions 100,000-seat domed stadium suitable for Super Bowls at the RFK Stadium site.

The city doesn't see that as a "no." It envisions 100,000-seat domed stadium suitable for Super Bowls at the RFK Stadium site.

And who's paying for it?

And who's paying for it?

the team and the city

the team and the city

And what are the numbers? Is the team paying for the stadium and the city paying for infrastructure ?

And what are the numbers? Is the team paying for the stadium and the city paying for infrastructure ?

no one knows yet, its just a preliminary agreement

no one knows yet, its just a preliminary agreement


DC council is setting themselves up to pay for the whole thing again, and DC United still gets nothing. wankers.

DC council is setting themselves up to pay for the whole thing again, and DC United still gets nothing. wankers.

um...no?

The city is not going to dish out $1 billion for this stadium (which you know it will cost), common sense tells you that. The Redskins have more than enough money to finance a big part of the new stadium. DC United can play in FedEx Field when they demolish half of it, or they can play in a new stadium in MD or VA. Its not a big deal. Around here, Redskins>DC United because Redskins=more $$$.

at the going rate $1.5 billion atleast, you know Snyder will want to one up Jerry Jones, so he is going to want a 100,000 seat retractable roof affair, and would probably end up being the most expensive stadium to date. Unless the new Meadowlands has serious cost overruns, which could happen.

at the going rate $1.5 billion atleast, you know Snyder will want to one up Jerry Jones, so he is going to want a 100,000 seat retractable roof affair, and would probably end up being the most expensive stadium to date. Unless the new Meadowlands has serious cost overruns, which could happen.

ugh, i wish it wasnt going to cost so much, ill probably lose my season tickets. My family took 15 years to get them!

Thats the story of the NFL these days, by 2012 the Cowboys, Giants and possibly Jets fans will be effectively priced out of going to see games in seats where they can actually see anything. I sincerely hope smaller market teams don't get any bad ideas, PSLs would kill a number of franchises. If the Vikings put them on all of the season tickets, I would just go to Gophers games, and pretty much give up on the NFL, but I think Zigi is smarter than that. I could see San Fransisco doing that whole thing if they get a new stadium, and if LA gets another team they would be a forgone conclusion.

Well luckily smaller market teams dont have to worry so much about PSLs because of cheaper stadiums. I hope Danny Snyder can find a way around the PSL option. He may not be the best owner, but hes a master money maker. He can be pretty creative sometimes.

I'll give him that, although he ahs tried to micromanage the Redskins with terrible results, he needs to let his GMs and coaches handle the football decisions entirely, then maybe they would get back to their early 90s form.

While I am not terribly worried about the Vikings going to PSLs, besides maybe on the club seats or a few sections between the 20 yard lines it still does concern me, and if they build the $850 million proposed stadium ticket prices will still jump, but I could probably still afford to get decent seats in the corner or endline areas not too far from the field.

i doubt the Vikings will have PSLs, i don't think the Colts have them

Well the Colts won't, but the Seahawks have some, and Seattle isn't much bigger than the Twin Cities. Zigi does like money, so kind of depending on how much money the state would put in I could see PSLs in the lower level between the 20 yard lines, I don't think that anybody wants, but businessmen make decisions on the their financial bottom line, not everybody else's.

Well luckily smaller market teams dont have to worry so much about PSLs because of cheaper stadiums.

Wouldn't be so sure about that. The first PSLs were for the Carolina Panthers if I remember correctly. Pretty small market team there.

I'd say PSLs are more or less a done deal for *any* new NFL stadium for the foreseeable future.

yea, Carolina was the first NFL team with PSLs.....

Carolina's stadium was entirely financed by private money though, so the PSL thing doesn't really irk us. If it was public/private we'd have been pissed.

Pricing people out of something their tax dollars (if even a fraction of a penny) paid for is criminal.

$5, 000 PSL for a $900 season ticket. lovely.

I think that the FedEx field should stay

I think that FedEx Field should gooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

I'm with those happy to wave goodbye to Landover. RFK, where I was lucky enough to attend many Redskins games, gave a genuine home field advantage. This seems lacking at FedEx. Architecturally, FedEx is dull, even unattractive. Dallas, Beijing and other cities are showing that stadia can be exciting and innovative.

How innovative can an NFL stadium be?

How innovative can an NFL stadium be?

A lot more than FedEx is.

Very informative post by en1044
Its not going to be as expensive as other stadiums. The new stadium would be built where RFK Stadium is now. That land has been specifically zoned by Congress to hold a stadium. It would take an act of Congress for anything other than a stadium to be built there. Since the new stadium would probably be owned by the government on government land, I dont see the land being all that expensive. Also, the FedEx site in Landover would be sold... the site, although not suited for a stadium, would serve other purposes quite nicely. The Redskins would also put a lot of their money towards the new stadium, but the city wouldnt have as much of a problem spending a bit as well, as the stadium would make a lot of money in return. There are already parking lots built around the site. It actually works perfectly.



FedEx Field was built in a hurry so that owner Jack Kent Cooke would be able to live to see its completion (he didnt). The construction is somewhat poor. Its in a horrible location, even though its only about 5 miles from RFK. It wasnt built on a Metro line (the station that "serves" the stadium is about a mile away). The stadium is quiet because of the design. Sound goes straight up, like at Michigan Stadium. It is one of the most luxurious stadiums in the NFL, but thats only if you are in the club level or in a suite. If you arent, you have to walk around in concourses that look terrible and dirty (and smell). It drives the fans away. The Redskins have gone from having possibly the best home field advantage in the NFL at RFK to one of the worst. The fans havent changed, but the people who attend the games have.

Now heres the worst part. FedEx was built with a capacity of 78,000. Now it seats 91,000. See any major additions, extra decks built? No. To expand, seats have been forced into places not originally designed for seating...like in the picture below. In the picture you can see across the field where the lower bowl ends and a row of suites begins. Originally, on the opposite side of the stadium where the lower bowl ended there was just a wall. Dan Snyder added seats there (its known as the cave) to increase capacity. Those seats are terrible. Its another reason why people would just rather watch on tv. Its just a pain. A new stadium more geared towards the fans and with better transportation (and a retractable roof for other events) would greatly improve the experience and generate a lot of money for the city.

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Fed Ex is an example of poor stadium planning.

Fed Ex is an example of poor stadium planning.

Yes, it is. Thats what happens when Marion Barry is your mayor and hes too busy doing coke off a hookers ass to realize that a new stadium in the district is pretty important for the economy. FedEx was built right outside of DC for a reason...out of spite. Jack Kent Cooke wanted to screw the city bad for not letting him build in Washington. He succeeded (kinda).

Well some good news coming out.

The Redskins will finally be replacing those awful video screens at FedEx Field with brand new HD screens.

No link yet, but there will be more details soon.

Well some good news coming out.

The Redskins will finally be replacing those awful video screens at FedEx Field with brand new HD screens.

No link yet, but there will be more details soon.Does this mean the push to relocate is being tempered? I realize this isn't a comparably huge expense but one would think they'd refrain from any investment in FedEx if their goal is to be done with it.

Does this mean the push to relocate is being tempered? I realize this isn't a comparably huge expense but one would think they'd refrain from any investment in FedEx if their goal is to be done with it.

Thats what a lot of people are saying right now, but if theres anything Ive learned about Dan Snyder its not to look too much into his actions because his next move may very well be to relocate.

Who knows.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcs...assive_hd.html


Redskins to install HD video screens at FedEx


This week, the Washington Redskins began mailing letters to their general admission and premium club seat ticket holders, informing them of significant changes to the in-game video experience, headlined by two 30 feet tall by 100 feet wide high-definition video boards, one in each end zone.

Now, there are two ways fans could react to this news. (And no, drunken indifference is not an option. It's the offseason.) Some fans will say it's about time, that after living with a scoreboard nicknamed The Lite Brite and a video board that seemed smaller than Albert Haynesworth, the franchise owed season ticket holders this much and more. They'll talk about the lack of out-of-town scores and in-game stats, and the 28-by-28 feet JumboTron that hadn't been updated in 13 years, and the high-def screens in Philadelphia and Baltimore, and the in-game experience at FedEx that Sports Illustrated rated 28th out of 32 teams in 2007.

But because I'm an optimist, I'm choosing to take a different point of view. Redskins fans this fall were as angry as local observers could remember. They demanded change. And whatever the reason, no matter how late the hour, some signs of change have arrived.

Fans wanted a general manager, and they got one in December. They wanted Daniel Snyder to take a step back, and while it's early, at least there are public nods in that direction. And they wanted the game-day experience to leave the 20th century; this is a first step. If you demand something, and then it happens, you can hardly complain that it only happened because you demanded it.

So what does this letter announce? There will be the HD boards in both end zones, replacing the comically small scoreboards, the old JumboTrons, and two end zone billboards. The big screens, which should be in place for the preseason, can be split into a variety of configurations; for example, displaying the same replay from different angles simultaneously, or showing replays and stats at the same time. There will be 10 other new screens in the lower bowl, from the game clocks to the time clocks to the out-of-town scoreboard displays, which will be equipped to also convey game stats and fantasy football totals.

Obviously we need to wait and see how it all looks, but these sound to me like massive upgrades.

"I think Dan Snyder's finally realizing that he doesn't have an endless supply of fans, so the product on the field has to be improved and the amenities have to be improved as well," said Mike Broderick, one of the franchise's most vocal critics during the past fall. "At least they're trying," he added, which is the angle I'm going for.

"It's about time that they actually gave back to the fans as opposed to just taking money from them with nothing to show for it," said Ted Abela, another of my go-to fan voices.

The big boards will compare in size quite favorably to other models in the close vicinity. Philadelphia's Lincoln Financial Field has two 27-by-96 foot screens. Baltimore's M&T Bank Stadium has two 24-by-100 foot screens. Charlotte's Bank of America Stadium has a 31.5-by-77 foot screen.

Of course, that team in Dallas has some sort of 71-by-160 monstrosity, along with the pole dancers and the playoff losses and the kicker that can't make clutch field goals, but they can keep all that.

double post

what happened to the possible new stadium project?

what happened to the possible new stadium project?

Its probably still somewhere in the background.

The cost of the new scoreboards is chump change compared to all the money the team has. Id say that the new boards are not a very strong indicator of whether a new stadium is built or not.

The state of the Washington Redskins right now is not very good. Its a mess. Everyone hates the owner Daniel Snyder. I think he knew that he had to step it up in order to get some fans back on his side.

Hence, new scoreboards.

Yes! New scoreboards are in!

http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/6/28/1541393/fedex-fields-new-hd-video-boards

First, the old scoreboard for comparison...

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And the new set...

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Party decks on the club level are almost complete (Dark red area above scoreboard). They removed multiple sections of club seating and replaced them with a terrace-like area with a area to place drinks/food etc.

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I don't see anything redeeming about this stadium. Maybe my least favorite in the NFL besides the Bay Area ones.

Why is this place so damn big. The largest NFL stadium has to go to the Skins?

Why is this place so damn big. The largest NFL stadium has to go to the Skins?

Cause the Redskins are an extremely popular team around DC.

I don't see anything redeeming about this stadium. Maybe my least favorite in the NFL besides the Bay Area ones.

I used to think the same way, but maybe, just maybe, things are turning around. If Dan Snyder decides to renovate the top and bottom level concourses, then I would be sold on FedEx Field. The new club level seating is a definite plus, but more is needed.

There are a lot of rumors floating around as to what Snyder might do.

Please tell me they're replacing those yellow seats.

The new screens help the stadium tremendously, and the party decks are a nice addition as well. Like others have said, it does come off as less than redeeming but it doesn't seem like a totally lost cause. The bowl itself isn't bad and it probably wouldn't be terribly difficult to renovate the surrounding elements of the facility. The only question would be how much is worth pursuing (as well as how much should be spent) before it becomes time to question whether its just a better idea to spend the money on a new stadium entirely. At least given the price for a new stadium these days that threshold can be fairly high before it becomes pointless.

Please tell me they're replacing those yellow seats.

No. Yellow seats are a holdover from RFK. Thankfully, the yellow seats will stay.

I wish they'd replace the red seats on the 2nd tier with yellow so you'd get the nice red-yellow-red tier effect similar to many other US stadiums.

Just an example of big game atmosphere at FedEx.

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Just an example of big game atmosphere at FedEx.

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College atmosphere vs NFL atmosphere. Big Difference, regardless of venue.

beautiful stadiums

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Supposedly a new party deck is being added to the upper deck.


There isn't a lot of information about it right now, but an announcement will be coming soon.



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Hosting a pair of big soccer games this summer....

http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/New-Party-Decks-Are-Coming-to-FedExField/2f12af20-d130-464c-8e76-0af68fe994cb

New Party Decks Are Coming to FedExField

FedExField is getting another major upgrade.

The Redskins have begun a multi-year project to build Party Decks in the upper deck at each end of the stadium, according to the team. Fans ultimately will be able to join pre- and post-game festivities and purchase standing-room-only tickets to watch games on the new Party Decks.

It’s expected that the Party Decks will be ready in time for the start of the 2012 season.

Several thousand seats in the 91,704-seat stadium have already been removed as part of the project. It’s uncertain how many seats will be impacted because construction plans have not been finalized, according to the team.

Even with the removal of the seats, FedExField will remain the largest stadium in the NFL. The new capacity is expected to be approximately 85,000.

According to the team, fans with seats in the impacted areas who chose not to move to higher-priced seats will be moved closer to the field or closer to the 50-yard line at no additional charge.

Due to the ongoing NFL lockout, the team has decided not to sell seats to fans on the Season Ticket Waiting List. Fans on the Waiting List will stay in the same spot on the list until after the 2011 season, when sales are expected to resume.

Because FedExField is privately held, all of the expenses associated with the installation of the Party Decks will be borne by the Redskins. No public funding will be involved.

The Party Decks are among a series of upgrades the Redskins are planning for FedExField. Last year, the team unveiled two state-of-the-art, 30-foot-high and 100-foot-wide HD video boards in each end zone and party decks on the Club Level.

The Redskins will formally announce additional stadium improvements for the 2011 and 2012 seasons later this offseason.

It's take one year to build a party deck?

It's take one year to build a party deck?
It could, depending on the design. Not having a final design yet would also effect things.

OTOH ripping out seats before you have a design doesn't really make any sense. But lately the phrase Redskins management is almost an oxymoron.

BTW: is it me, or are the people right behind the scoreboard unable to see the closest end of the field?

It could, depending on the design. Not having a final design yet would also effect things.

Not that I am putting the Redskins past it, but removing the seats before the design is finished would be idiotic. I doubt that is the case though.

The design live load for "fixed seating" is 60 PSF. The category you would use for a party deck would probably be "other assembly areas," which is 100 PSF. That is a pretty significant increase, so if they were going to leave the existing precast concrete seating panels in place they would probably have to reinforce them and add risers to create the decks. That would take a while, but I would think they could do the reinforcing from the underside and not loose a few sections of ticket revenue for a whole season. They could also be removing the existing precast panels and replacing them with panels that are wider and better suited for a party deck. The party deck rows at Nats Park are good bit wider than a normal seating row, thought I couldn't find the exact dimension. For full disclosure, I haven't seen any plans, it's just (somewhat) educated speculating...

On a side note, I saw Albert Haynesworth at Union Station in DC yesterday. I doubt he was in town for "voluntary" workouts...

I don't get it. Why not build the party deck in the lower deck where you have obstructed view seating?http://farm1.static.flickr.com/63/166848630_2c23320bbd_o.jpg

^^^^ Cost the party deck will have to have a great view of the field, Since the people on the party deck are going to be paying alot of money.

^^^^ Cost the party deck will have to have a great view of the field, Since the people on the party deck are going to be paying alot of money.

so installing the party deck would increase the capacity?

so installing the party deck would increase the capacity?

My understanding is no. Party decks are generally a place anyone who has a ticket elsewhere in the stadium can go to watch the game, so they don't usually sell tickets for use of that space. Like was said earlier, its like a stadium club for the average fan.

At Nationals Park, there is a large bar in the outfield with party deck off to one side. It is essentially tiered standing room only space with counter tops in front of you where you can sit your drinks, food, lean on, etc. They don't have bar stools there, but I have been to stadiums that do. I couldn't find any pictures, but here are a few of the one at the Twins new ballpark.

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At other stadiums, the party decks are much wider and have picnic tables, such as at the recently renovated Royals ballpark.

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I would bet we'll see a combination of the two styles at FedEX, since one is clearly more suited for families and the other more suited for 20-30 year olds and there are lots of both at Redskins games.

I don't get it. Why not build the party deck in the lower deck where you have obstructed view seating?http://farm1.static.flickr.com/63/166848630_2c23320bbd_o.jpg
Because they charge more for the obstructed view seats than they do for the upper deck end zones because they are much closer to the field. I have sat in those seats and they are not terrible, but it's like watching a game from 30' inside the mouth of a cave.

Many of the seats are actually behind columns too. I guess some of them would be good for late season games, so you'd be out of the wind and rain, but I'd rather watch a game at home than sit there again.

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Because they charge more for the obstructed view seats than they do for the upper deck end zones because they are much closer to the field. I have sat in those seats and they are not terrible, but it's like watching a game from 30' inside the mouth of a cave.

Many of the seats are actually behind columns too. I guess some of them would be good for late season games, so you'd be out of the wind and rain, but I'd rather watch a game at home than sit there again.

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Wow. I had no idea just what a total jerk Snyder is. I'm guessing that the neighborhood of 4-5,000 lower deck seats have obstructed views?

how are ticket sales for the soccer games going?

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And to think somebody posted an image of this cheap piece of crap on the Wembley thread as an equal and a rival because of it's cap.

... I guess some of them would be good for late season games, so you'd be out of the wind and rain, but I'd rather watch a game at home than sit there again.

I thought Americans were a hardier bread than us mere Europeans who didn't care for such frivolities :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious

I guess I'll have to put some posters sensitivity to inadequate roofing cover in your stadiums down to just that, a touchy sense of inadequacy in the face of superior design and technology rather than any genuine cultural preference.
:cheers:

And to think somebody posted an image of this cheap piece of crap on the Wembley thread as an equal and a rival because of it's crap.

I thought Americans were a hardier bread than us mere Europeans who didn't care for such frivolities :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious

I guess I'll have to put some posters sensitivity to inadequate roofing cover in your stadiums down to just that, a touchy sense of inadequacy in the face of superior design and technology rather than any genuine cultural preference.
:cheers:

I don't believe anyone on here will argue that FedEX is a dump. From what I have seen, Wembley is a gem and all the people talking crap about it during the Champions League Final are bozos.

As for the age old roof/being out in the elements issue, I personally sat through the entire 2003 Virginia Tech / Texas A&M football game which was played as Tropical Storm Isabel was going through Blacksburg and several Blizzard games at Heinz Field. Were they pleasant experiences? No, but I lived. In this case, I was simply trying to point out why someone might want to sit in those crap seats. Children and old ladies go to Redskins games too.

As for the ticket sales for Barca/Man U, I heard this morning they have sold over 75,000 tickets already.

The concrete risers have already been removed. I guess that answers the question about building on top of the existing risers.

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And to think somebody posted an image of this cheap piece of crap on the Wembley thread as an equal and a rival because of it's cap.



I thought Americans were a hardier bread than us mere Europeans who didn't care for such frivolities :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious

I guess I'll have to put some posters sensitivity to inadequate roofing cover in your stadiums down to just that, a touchy sense of inadequacy in the face of superior design and technology rather than any genuine cultural preference.
:cheers:

I understand you think you're being clever, but this is a old and tired subject.

Wow, thats a huge chunk of the stands they are removing. I thought the redskins had a 20 year waitlist or something crazy like that to get season tickets so why would they remove so many seats. Will the party decks revenue make up for 6,000 lost seats?

Wow, thats a huge chunk of the stands they are removing. I thought the redskins had a 20 year waitlist or something crazy like that to get season tickets so why would they remove so many seats. Will the party decks revenue make up for 6,000 lost seats?

The Redskins stopped taking peoples' names off the list, giving you a lot of people. Signing up is also a part of registering on redskins.com and for the team newsletter.

Removing the seats and replacing them with a party deck means more cash for Snyder. That's what is really going on here.

Rumor has it that there might be some sort of roof being built as well...but again, just a rumor.

As for the ticket sales for Barca/Man U, I heard this morning they have sold over 75,000 tickets already.

Will def sell out then

Wow, thats a huge chunk of the stands they are removing. I thought the redskins had a 20 year waitlist or something crazy like that to get season tickets so why would they remove so many seats. Will the party decks revenue make up for 6,000 lost seats?

The season ticket waiting list isn't nearly that long. I got mine for the 2010 season after only being on the list for two years.

Unless the Skins are playing the Cowboys or Eagles, there are always thousands of empty seats in the upper deck, so I doubt this will make a huge dent the actual number of people that attend the game. I would imagine this will make a lot more money than typical seats, otherwise Snyder wouldn't be building them.

I haven't been by the stadium in a few months and didn't even know if they planned to remove the existing risers. Thanks for posting that pic.

From the Redskins Blog.

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More:

http://blog.redskins.com/2011/06/17/your-friday-fedexfield-construction-update/#continued

Obstructed-view seating which makes fans feel like they are watching the game from a cave, especially behind columns, is not something that would be featured in a stadium designed by the firm now known as Populous. But that was way before the firm gained its current name.

And the construction of those party decks must have involved ripping out some concrete steps in the upper deck.

And one more question: Is FedExField even futureproof-able?

Obstructed-view seating which makes fans feel like they are watching the game from a cave, especially behind columns, is not something that would be featured in a stadium designed by the firm now known as Populous. But that was way before the firm gained its current name.

And one more question: Is FedExField even futureproof-able?

The obstructed view seats weren't part of the original design. Those seats are on risers that were added in the lower concourse several years after the stadium was finished.

"futureproof-able" That's a new term to me. Care to elaborate?

Obstructed-view seating which makes fans feel like they are watching the game from a cave, especially behind columns, is not something that would be featured in a stadium designed by the firm now known as Populous. But that was way before the firm gained its current name.

HOK did not design the stadium with those seats in mind. Check your facts.

And the construction of those party decks must have involved ripping out some concrete steps in the upper deck.

Uh, obviously.

And one more question: Is FedExField even futureproof-able?

No stadium is.

Futureproof: Capable of surviving changes made in the future; not liable to become outdated. The new Wembley Stadium in London is futureproof.

what will the capacity be for the soccer game?

Futureproof: Capable of surviving changes made in the future; not liable to become outdated. The new Wembley Stadium in London is futureproof.

I don't think anything should be called futureproof, some facilities may last longer than others, but with major stadiums 50 years, much less 80 would seem to be a limit that the vast majority don't meet. I am sure the same thing was said when the old Wembley opened up in 1923, sort of like when they called the Titanic unsinkable. I have a hard time Seeing the Redsox leaving Fenway, or Harvard building a new stadium. But for the most part they either get rebuilt entirely or replaced by something different nearby, either way not futureproof.
Back to Fedex, ,most Redskins fans (and most people who I know that have seen a game there) don't like Fedex and never have. It largely has to do with location and atmosphere (and to some extent design flaws, cheap construction and sightline issues), both of which were supposedly worlds better at RFK. However in terms of making money for Daniel Snyder (the owner) its always been effective and probably will be for as long as they play there. That having been said I doubt it will see 30 years of service with how much their fans hate the place and how much Snyder would like to have something bigger and fancier than Jerryworld.

If all you judged FedEX on was it an enjoyable place to watch a football game, then I would say it would be a good home for 90% of all NFL and college teams. However, for the team with the 2nd highest revenue in the league in the ultra-competitive NFC East, with an egotistical owner and in the nation's capital, I don't think it is sufficient.

Don't get me wrong, I sit in the upper deck at almost every sporting event I attend, so I personally don't care how spacious the suites are or how elegant the menu is in the stadium club, but the money they get from me is not what they are after to grow the business.

In no more than 10 years FedEX will be without a tenant and a JerryWorld like stadium will be built in RFK's place that will compete for Super Bowls, conventions, big time soccer matches, you name it.

Futureproof: Capable of surviving changes made in the future; not liable to become outdated. The new Wembley Stadium in London is futureproof.
Throw an strong earthquake at it, and we'll see just how "futureproof" Wembley is. And, yes, the UK does get earthquakes. Four of them rated 3.5 or greater in the past nine months.

Big news supposedly coming tomorrow. People have said it could be anywhere from a roof to changing the color of the seats.

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Looks like the 'skins are trying to keep up with the Jones's.... I mean, Lurie's.


Redskins making FedEx Field greener

The Redskins are installing 8,000 solar panels in the FedEx Field parking lot in an effort to make the stadium more environmentally friendly.

According to the Washington Post, the panels will "generate enough electricity to supply a portion of the stadium's power on game days and all of its electricity the rest of the week." They will also help the stadium decrease its annual energy use by 15 percent, a source close to the team told the newspaper. An 850-space car lot, featuring 10 charging stations for electric vehicles, is also part of the team's plans for the stadium.

The project will be completed by the start of the 2011 season, the Post reports. Washington would be the third NFL team to have a project underway to decrease its dependency on traditional energy sources, along with the Eagles and Seahawks.

"It makes great sense from the public awareness standpoint, but it's also good business sense," David Krichavsky, the NFL's director of media affairs, said to the paper. "It's one of those things that's a double or triple win. … We believe that we are responsible in our community to act responsibly on multiple fronts, but also in environmental leadership."

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This place deserves more credit than it gets IMO. I've been to a few games here and I never thought it was a "bad" place to see a game. Ok, the location is horrible, but other than that, as a stadium it seems perfectly fine to me...

This place deserves more credit than it gets IMO. I've been to a few games here and I never thought it was a "bad" place to see a game. Ok, the location is horrible, but other than that, as a stadium it seems perfectly fine to me...

It's not necessarily a bad place to watch a game. The upper deck seats are really high, but it's not that bad. If the fans weren't so angry at the team's management, they probably wouldn't be as vocal about their dislike of the place.

So as far as the seating bowl goes, yeah it's an ok place to watch the game. But the concourses are dirty and don't look all that nice. Lots of exposed concrete and pipes. Pretty much an eyesore to walk around. The club level is awesome, but most people can't afford to get in there so it pretty much doesn't count. The upper concourse is kind of narrow but walkable. Everything looks outdated though, and the escalators stink. The ramps smell too.

To me, a Redskins fan, walking around the place feels like a big "*** you!" to the common fan. Only the people who shell out the big bucks get a nice experience in the club level.

Big news supposedly coming tomorrow. People have said it could be anywhere from a roof to changing the color of the seats.

What was the news? The solar panels?

What was the news? The solar panels?

Supposedly, yes.

Here's a video.

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Parking lot solar panels are all the rage out here, and PG&E has already said that the panels have made a dent in the amount of power they need to import for peak usage times.

Barcelona 1-2 Manchester U.

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How do Redskins fans feel now that FedEx is now the second-largest capacity stadium in the NFL?:angel:

I like this stadium a lot for some reason, but I can't place why. My only issues are it looks too crowded, I know they wanted to have the most seats in the nfl, but just too crammed looking to me. Second, with the scoreboards, they seem too low as if they were trying to copy the ravens but didn't know how and sometimes when fans stand up they appear to block the lower part of the screen.

Other than those 2 things it looks great with a great mix of club and regular seats and good sitelines.

Found this on a google search at this website, pretty cool to see what it would look like with a qwest type roof:

http://www.thedcfan.com/fedex-field-reno-photos

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How do Redskins fans feel now that FedEx is now the second-largest capacity stadium in the NFL?:angel:

Ehhhh!

I like this stadium a lot for some reason, but I can't place why. My only issues are it looks too crowded, I know they wanted to have the most seats in the nfl, but just too crammed looking to me. Second, with the scoreboards, they seem too low as if they were trying to copy the ravens but didn't know how and sometimes when fans stand up they appear to block the lower part of the screen.

Other than those 2 things it looks great with a great mix of club and regular seats and good sitelines.

If you wanna get technical, the Ravens copied the Redskins seeing that FedEx was built a year before M&T Bank Stadium, but I do agree that the scoreboard is a little low, but i don't like a really high scoreboard either (i.e. Dolphins Stadium)

If you wanna get technical, the Ravens copied the Redskins seeing that FedEx was built a year before M&T Bank Stadium, but I do agree that the scoreboard is a little low, but i don't like a really high scoreboard either (i.e. Dolphins Stadium)

Oh, so the ravens just did it beter than? Thats pretty cool.

I didn't mind the dolphin stadium scoreboards for baseball, but I have never been there for football, and I live in Tampa where the boards are just right.

Second, with the scoreboards, they seem too low as if they were trying to copy the ravens but didn't know how and sometimes when fans stand up they appear to block the lower part of the screen.


I believe they put them down low so they wouldn't have to sacrifice the end zone suites. I have never noticed if people standing up partially block the screen. I am sure they do, but it hasn't bother me so far.

Oh, so the ravens just did it beter than? Thats pretty cool.

I didn't mind the dolphin stadium scoreboards for baseball, but I have never been there for football, and I live in Tampa where the boards are just right.

The seats where people are blocking the lower part of the screen are removable. They weren't part of the original plan.

How do Redskins fans feel now that FedEx is now the second-largest capacity stadium in the NFL?:angel:

FedExField is still the largest stadium in the NFL with 85,000 seats. I've seen a few sites claiming 82,000, but they are incorrect.

FedExField is still the largest stadium in the NFL with 85,000 seats. I've seen a few sites claiming 82,000, but they are incorrect.

Hopefully that will change in 2 years when L.A. gets a team. Whoever it is will play in either the Rose Bowl or Coliseum for at least 3 seasons.

FedExField is still the largest stadium in the NFL with 85,000 seats. I've seen a few sites claiming 82,000, but they are incorrect.

Wikipedia has it at 82k. That's where I got my "info".

They were planning to put some sort of "party decks" in the areas where seating had been removed.

They were planning to put some sort of "party decks" in the areas where seating had been removed.

Has the plan been canceled or is it still on?

Has the plan been canceled or is it still on?

It is still on.

Did the Redskins release any images of what the Party Deck would actually look like or is it just the worded press release to go on?

The Party Decks are currently on hold, apparently PG country revoked their permit or whatever to build them. I've heard "rumors" that they might be adding a roof or something like the Seattle Seahawks have (see a couple post above).

I know that Wiki says it and a couple other sites say the 82,000, but it's definitely 85,000.

http://blog.redskins.com/2011/08/12/video-of-the-fedexfield-facelift/

I have never liked the Fed. It always looks like everyone is packed in like sardines. I guess that is what you get when you rush design and construction of a stadium.

I have never liked the Fed. It always looks like everyone is packed in like sardines. I guess that is what you get when you rush design and construction of a stadium.

From what I remember, it's built the way it is to be turned into a mall once the Redskins leave (if they ever do). Not sure if the story is 100% factual, but it could explain some of the design. Either way, would love to get back to D.C, but not going to pay the PSL's, they'll lose a season ticket holder if that happens.

This place is definitely going to experience its smallest crowd ever on saturday. How sad. Time to build a new place in DC.

Whats the reason for the poor attendance?

Bad team, Bad location of Stadium, average stadium, owner who everyone hates.

The skins (5-9) play the vikings (2-12) so its going to be a low scoring game with all the points going to the kickers, Don't think a touchdown will happen in this game.

Whats the reason for the poor attendance?

The team is bad. They aren't going to the playoffs and are pretty dreadful to watch. A game against the Vikings late in the season isn't very appealing. And it's Christmas Eve.

I bet only 50k show up.

The skins (5-9) play the vikings (2-12) so its going to be a low scoring game with all the points going to the kickers, Don't think a touchdown will happen in this game.

I beg to differ, I think we will definitely see some touchdowns, probably by the defenses but touchdowns none the less.

The Redskins have looked ok the past few weeks. It sucks that they will probably win this game, but if all those quarterbacks decide to go back to school then it doesn't really matter.

This place is definitely going to experience its smallest crowd ever on saturday. How sad. Time to build a new place in DC.

Really? I thought even through their lean years, they sold out the place. Especially with 8K less seats now.

This place is definitely going to experience its smallest crowd ever on saturday. How sad. Time to build a new place in DC.

What's keeping them from doing so?

They could just demolish RFK Stadium, and build a new NFL/MLS stadium (with a lower capacity) in its place.

Really? I thought even through their lean years, they sold out the place. Especially with 8K less seats now.

Club level seats struggled to sell, but that doesn't count against a sell out streak for some reason.

What's keeping them from doing so?

They could just demolish RFK Stadium, and build a new NFL/MLS stadium (with a lower capacity) in its place.

Money, the lease...the usual stuff.

Really? I thought even through their lean years, they sold out the place. Especially with 8K less seats now.

It's always sold out. Washington home games have been sold out since the 60s. But that doesn't mean that everyone comes.

Think about it. Christmas Eve, crappy stadium in a crappy location. Maybe some weather. Cold. Team is awful and isn't close to making the playoffs. And on top of all that, a win only hurts the team as it screws with their draft position and quest for a franchise quarterback.

Why would anyone go?

crappy stadium in a crappy location.

I've had these questions for quite some time.

Why did they build such a big ugly stadium for the Redskins?

And why did they build this stadium within middle-of-nowhere suburbia?

I mean- I heard the surrounding neighborhood in that part of Prince George's County is all ghetto. Is that true?:uh:

I've had these questions for quite some time.

Why did they build such a big ugly stadium for the Redskins?

And why did they build this stadium within middle-of-nowhere suburbia?

I mean- I heard the surrounding neighborhood in that part of Prince George's County is all ghetto. Is that true?:uh:

It's not really in the middle of nowhere. DC has some pretty major suburbs, and it's only a couple of miles away from RFK. A lot of people think it's really far from DC. It isn't.

It was built there because old owner Jack Kent Cooke wanted to build a new stadium in DC, but the city was broke. Mid 90s DC was not a great place. DC said no. He tried to build in Virginia. VA said no. He was able to build in Maryland, so that's where it is.

And yes, it's not in the greatest area. It's not bad enough to make me question going to night games or anything. Hell, I walk a mile to and from the Metro every game.

As for the ugly comment, I don't think FedEx was really that ugly when it was built. But it's bland. Three tiers, and that's it. It's the renovations that have taken place since it opened that make it look bad.

Here's a map. The red lines mark the DC border.

http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k371/fullnelson9999/rfkfedex.png

The team is bad. They aren't going to the playoffs and are pretty dreadful to watch. A game against the Vikings late in the season isn't very appealing. And it's Christmas Eve.

I bet only 50k show up.
Announced attendance was 68,370.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=20111224028

Announced attendance was 68,370.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=20111224028

Yeah I saw that. I'm amazed.

Given the circumstances I never thought almost 70k would show up to see this team. Especially during a meaningless game against the Vikings.

Yeah I saw that. I'm amazed.

Given the circumstances I never thought almost 70k would show up to see this team. Especially during a meaningless game against the Vikings.
I see three possible scenarios: there were a bunch of out-of-town fans using StubHub, the team lied about the attendance, or Redskin fans really are that loyal. The Niners managed to maintain their streak of sellouts even during the eight year doldrums, so the latter is possible.

I see three possible scenarios: there were a bunch of out-of-town fans using StubHub, the team lied about the attendance, or Redskin fans really are that loyal. The Niners managed to maintain their streak of sellouts even during the eight year doldrums, so the latter is possible.

The Redskins have made the playoffs only 3 times since I was 3 years old. Yes, we are loyal.

I mean- I heard the surrounding neighborhood in that part of Prince George's County is all ghetto. Is that true?:uh:

Most of the neighborhoods and commercial developments around the stadium are not more than 10 years old and are pretty nice. Some parts of PG County have a lot of money and are really nice; it's just that it is a minority majority county and people tend to the think the worst elements are representative of the entire county. PG County has some areas that I double check my door locks when driving through, but it isn't like there a pimps and drug dealers on every corner.

You mostly hear people in Virginia complain about the distance to the stadium. It takes a least an hour to get from Fairfax County to a parking spot.

Most of the neighborhoods and commercial developments around the stadium are not more than 10 years old and are pretty nice. Some parts of PG County have a lot of money and are really nice; it's just that it is a minority majority county and people tend to the think the worst elements are representative of the entire county. PG County has some areas that I double check my door locks when driving through, but it isn't like there a pimps and drug dealers on every corner.

Are you saying that the immediate area around the stadium is safe for out-of-towners?

Wasn't there a mall near the stadium that had been shut down and demolished because of high criminal activity in the neighboring towns of Ardmore, Glenarden, Brightseat, Palmer Park, Dodge Park, Capitol Heights, Kentland and Seat Pleasant?

Are you saying that the immediate area around the stadium is safe for out-of-towners?

Wasn't there a mall near the stadium that had been shut down and demolished because of high criminal activity in the neighboring towns of Ardmore, Glenarden, Brightseat, Palmer Park, Dodge Park, Capitol Heights, Kentland and Seat Pleasant?

Yes, the neighborhoods between the metro and the stadium are fine. Much better than the ones around RFK. Those aren't even that bad. I have never had a problem at either stadium.

I have no idea about your second question. The town center right near FedEX is very nice and not unsafe at all. It is where the old Cap Center was. I have parked there, gotten a pre-game meal and walked the 15 minutes to the stadium. The only thing you pass down that road is a big church and parking lots though.

Yes, the neighborhoods between the metro and the stadium are fine. Much better than the ones around RFK. Those aren't even that bad. I have never had a problem at either stadium.

Funny. I was sightseeing in DC this past summer, and people at my hotel said to me: "Don't bother trying to see FedEx because it's just a big ugly stadium in a crap neighborhood in ghetto PG County".:dunno:

I have no idea about your second question. The town center right near FedEX is very nice and not unsafe at all. It is where the old Cap Center was.

I was referring to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landover_mall

Yes, the neighborhoods between the metro and the stadium are fine. Much better than the ones around RFK. Those aren't even that bad. I have never had a problem at either stadium.

I have no idea about your second question. The town center right near FedEX is very nice and not unsafe at all. It is where the old Cap Center was. I have parked there, gotten a pre-game meal and walked the 15 minutes to the stadium. The only thing you pass down that road is a big church and parking lots though.

Haven't been around RFK Stadium for awhile have you? Just about all of that area has changed. A LOT of whites in there now (not being racist, but years ago you didn't see that). Hell I go to Nationals games, girls walking around in skirts and what not. You'd never see that 10 years ago, they would have been at least robbed, if not raped. Areas around FedEx are worse, but nothing to be worried or afraid of. Not like you are driving through the ghetto and what not, though that's what some people might consider it.

Funny. I was sightseeing in DC this past summer, and people at my hotel said to me: "Don't bother trying to see FedEx because it's just a big ugly stadium in a crap neighborhood in ghetto PG County
Interesting, probably the same people who only want to pretend the loser Capitals are the only team in D.C because they win in the regular season.