HI Everyone, we need your voice!
France wants to build a fast connection train TGV between Paris/Bruxelles and Strasbourg! Fortunatelly, this connection will go further, from Paris/Bruxelles to Budapest, via Stuttgart, Munich, Salzburg, Linz, Vienna, Budapest, and many more!
Another connection will be from TGV Rhin-Rhône...that one will come from Barcelona-Lyon-Strasbourg-Hamburg-Arhus or Kobenhavn, sweden-Norway!

But the french state decided to stop one big step to reach the goal! They don't want to build the Baudrecourt-Strasbourg connection, so the train between this portion will run at 160km/h instead of 320km/h. And the germans, austrian, hungarian and east europe will be closer to Paris than some big cities in France! So we need your voice, not your money! We will share trains, sometimes it will be ICE, and other will be our TGV! To make sure the train from east europe will run at 320km/h sign the petition!

So to change that, more people will sign this form, the better it will be in future! The good news is also that the train will be connected to London in few years time, the want to build something unique in Europe...London-Budapest by train, so please Germans, Hungarian, Austrian, East Europe help us!
My scandinavian friends, I love your country, and hopefully we will be connected by train soon together! Arhus-Odense-Kobenhavn...at 320km/h !

http://www.sostgv.com/php/index.php

Maybe You can take Riga somehaw, izn't it possible ? :)

Done and done :)

Train is too expensive. In free market it barely can compete with planes. It is good for short distances (300 - 400 km) in densely populated areas like between Paris and London, Cologne and Frankfurt, Rome and Milan. For long distances connecting big urban centers but further away from each other and with not very densely populated areas between tham plane will always better and cheaper. who will travel by train from Stockholm to Strasbourg for 150 EUR one way if you can get plane for 50 EUR one way...

Of course I am talking about free market, and sadly current EU sometimes looks worse than communist Russia.

Train is too expensive. In free market it barely can compete with planes. It is good for short distances (300 - 400 km) in densely populated areas like between Paris and London, Cologne and Frankfurt, Rome and Milan. For long distances connecting big urban centers but further away from each other and with not very densely populated areas between tham plane will always better and cheaper. who will travel by train from Stockholm to Strasbourg for 150 EUR one way if you can get plane for 50 EUR one way...

Of course I am talking about free market, and sadly current EU sometimes looks worse than communist Russia.

high speed systems when appropriately designed are competitive for distances up to 700km, almost double your parameters.

The train from Helsinki Tallinn and Riga will go through Warsaw. I still dont know who is going to use that train - nobody travels to Warsaw from here. And to get to Berlin through Warsaw will be too far because the direct way from Riga to Berlin is through Konigsber (Kaliningrad) and Danzig (Gdansk). If there is plane for 50 EUR both way between Riga and Berlin, why should anybody take train for 200 EUR both way.

high speed systems when appropriately designed are competitive for distances up to 700km, almost double your parameters.

But price? Train in more expensive than plane. Why otherwise the trains that are so subsidized are more expensive than planes who are not subsidized and sometimes even worse having bigger taxes? Plane not only is cheaper, it is also MUCH cheaper and it makes difference.

As I told I am talking about free market, Europe is not quite free.

would rather see a high speed train to copehagen, when the new femeren bridge will happen....

Signed :)

But the Femeren Bridge to is the way to go if you ask me! At the time the Copenhagen-Hamburg trains need to sail from Rodby to Puttgarden on a slow ferry :sleepy:

Signed :)

But the Femeren Bridge to is the way to go if you ask me! At the time the Copenhagen-Hamburg trains need to sail from Rodby to Puttgarden on a slow ferry :sleepy:
oh, yeah...they said today that they expect a deal within a few months...And then denmark needed to strighten out their tracks and build new once....

Maglev Malmö/CPH -> Paris is the way to go. :okay:

Maglev Malmö/CPH -> Paris is the way to go. :okay:
well, that was what i was thinking, since maglev is german (right?) but i dont know if it will eve be possible with a maglev high speed train in denmark, unless you had no stops from the bridge and all the way to copenhagen cetral station...Or perhaps is it possible to use it, even with more stops....?

I saw a program about them, and it did say that the maglew could accalerate 4 times faster than the TGv trains, but i still dont know if you can use them in such a short didtence....

well, that was what i was thinking, since maglev is german (right?) but i dont know if it will eve be possible with a maglev high speed train in denmark, unless you had no stops from the bridge and all the way to copenhagen cetral station...Or perhaps is it possible to use it, even with more stops....?

I saw a program about them, and it did say that the maglew could accalerate 4 times faster than the TGv trains, but i still dont know if you can use them in such a short didtence.... Some airports already use Maglevs!

I think the biggest is in Shanghai :dunno:

oh, yeah...they said today that they expect a deal within a few months...And then denmark needed to strighten out their tracks and build new once....
That's what all the godforsaken islands down south are there for... It's nothing but sugar beet fields and windmills. A new track will do them good :)

Some airports already use Maglevs!

I think the biggest is in Shanghai :dunno:



yeah, but that is for longer stretches....from rødby to copenhagen, sure you could do it, without any stops, but i doubt dsb or the politicians would agree to that....and, like i said, i dont know if you could use it, if you would have perhaps 3-4 stops before copenhagen...Would it still be able to reach a good speed before haveing to brake for a station....

The EC Hamburg-Copenhagen doesn't stop between Rodbyhavn and Kobnhavn, so why should a maglev stop there? ;)
I estimate with the Femarn Bridge the train travel time between Hamburg and Copenhagen could be reduced from 4 to 3 hours - without HSR. For HSR they would have to heavily upgrade the complete route. The track between Hamburg and Fehmarn is not even electrified and will be electrified soon between Hamburg and Lübeck. Between Lübeck and Fehmarn the track is actually not double-track.

The EC Hamburg-Copenhagen doesn't stop between Rodbyhavn and Kobnhavn, so why should a maglev stop there? ;)
I estimate with the Femarn Bridge the train travel time between Hamburg and Copenhagen could be reduced from 4 to 3 hours - without HSR. For HSR they would have to heavily upgrade the complete route. The track between Hamburg and Fehmarn is not even electrified and will be electrified soon between Hamburg and Lübeck. Between Lübeck and Fehmarn the track is actually not double-track.

well, as far as i know, if the maglew train were to run from rødby to copenhagen, it would need an entire new track. That would be expensive. But more then that, DSB and the politicians would not agree to a construction, where people would have to go all the way to copenhagen, in order to catch a maglev train at copenhagen central station...If the train track is to hav any marrit, it needs more stops, and i fear that will rule out a maglev selution...

edit- i see thats what you are saying is the problem i germany - the tracks can run the maglev at the current time...Although, that was what they talked about in the news tonight that eeded to be changed....

well, as far as i know, if the maglew train were to run from rødby to copenhagen, it would need an entire new track. That would be expensive. But more then that, DSB and the politicians would not agree to a construction, where people would have to go all the way to copenhagen, in order to catch a maglev train at copenhagen central station...If the train track is to hav any marrit, it needs more stops, and i fear that will rule out a maglev selution...

edit- i see thats what you are saying is the problem i germany - the tracks can run the maglev at the current time...Although, that was what they talked about in the news tonight that eeded to be changed....
As much as I would love MagLev trains in Denmark, I don't think it anything happening anytime soom, the prices are still too high...

And I think there are some rules about the stretches that need Euro-standard rails, to transport troops in case of war - but that's the least of the problems..

At the time I would be happy with a Shinkansen-style bullet train between major cities in the area ( Hamburg, Berlin, Copenhagen, Stockholm and maybe Oslo )..

With that system and a new bridge I could get to Hamburg in about 2 hours and Berlin in less :)


BTW didn't the Swiss have some plans about an underground train system, with vacuum tubes for 900km/h+ travel around the country and to the nearest neighbour' capital's?


btw cphdude - MagLev trains will need a hole new kinds of track, with powerful magnets every meter or so... I would not be posible to convert the current trcks, since the MagLev don't even have any ground contact, it floats...

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http://www.o-keating.com/hsr/maglev.htm

Right, thats what I ment....so its not very likely they will build something like that....

I would like very much a fast train from Tallinn to central europe and further :-) There's a project of passenger Rail Baltica from Tallinn to Warsaw, new tracks and all, but I doubt that it will be built during next 10 years. Our trains move more like 40-50 km/h. :cry:

A TGV from France to Scandinavia would be a good thing.

Maglev Malmö/CPH -> Paris is the way to go. :okay:

Maglev :drool: I love it!!

Reminds me of my trip to Shanghai some time ago :cheers: