Today I waited for the 4 on Sunset and Sandborn which took me to the Santa Monica and Vermont stop on the Red Line. It was a 3/4 mile trip which took me about 10 minutes including the wait. Then I took the train into Hollywood to Vine to meet a friend. Total time about 15 minutes including the wait for the train and then the 1/2 mile walk to Karma Coffee at Cahuenga and Selma. Total trip time about 25 minutes. That's average Brooklyn to the "city" time in my head.

Do people out here just not get transit? Is it the mentality of the average Angelino citizen? If you live in Long Beach and work downtown, why would you not ride the Blue Line? If you live in Noho and work Downtown why would you not use the Red Line? The BL comes every 2-3 minutes during rush. The Red 5-7. Is their any excuse? Since we are people who I guess love things urban, did you/will you/could you/have you moved closer to transit lines to make your life easier and to live more of a pedestrian lifestyle? Feedback, please.

The times I've riden the subways of LA hab been pretty good. It beats the bus for a lot. I would use the train more but I don't live near a train stop.

If you own a car, there is really no advantage to taking a bus. You get there a lot quicker, and because its LA, there is parking everywhere. Busses get stuck in the same traffic that cars do. Only rail makes sense because you can get around traffic.

So "Yakumoto" the solution is probably make parking harder to come by, which is already happening if you've tried going out to see a band in the City Of West Hollywood any given night.

And "from los angeles" aren't you moving downtown soon? Then you would ride the train alot more, I would think.

Automobile in LA will still popular forever.

Automobile in LA will still popular forever.

Not when the oil runs out.

Sometimes I think it makes more sense to drive. Lack of train service, besides you are what you drive, right????

^^ lol yeah..

i use the OCTA buses like 3 or 4 days out of the week, but only to and from school, everything else is done by car

^^ lol yeah..

i use the OCTA buses like 3 or 4 days out of the week, but only to and from school, everything else is done by car

Done by car, why is that???

Not when the oil runs out.

I doubt oil will runs out in future but there's plenty of oils in Middle East and few other countries. Automobile companies are currently inventing new cars with electric or new technology like using hyroden (water) before gas price going skyrocketing.

seeing as how im only 15...the only times ive taken PT is like to go from Downey, from where i live, to say the south bay where my cousins live, or to downtown LB where my mom works but thats pretty much it...so not having a job, i dont need to really take it that often.....when i do get a job though, i plan on not using a car that often, so living near the green line is an obvious plus

You'd have to wait a very long time before a hydrogen car comes out reasonably priced. And electric cars still uses fossil fuels at the beginning of the equation. But besides all of that. Electric cars, hydrogen cars, atomic cars!!! You stilll are going to have to solve the traffic problem. Would you consider moving in closer to where transit is so that you won't have to drive so much, like in all the other "real" cities?

Sometimes I think it makes more sense to drive. Lack of train service, besides you are what you drive, right????

How is their a lack of train service? headways? track mileage?

Done by car, why is that???

cause using the bus just isnt comfortable for anything else.. i'm jz used to it.. and also its like the family, so we cant all like wait at the bus stop and take the bus lol... and most places we go to would be hell on the bus and would take for ever.. say we're going to the mall.. westminster mall takes like over an hr on the bus and south coast is like more

You'd have to wait a very long time before a hydrogen car comes out reasonably priced. And electric cars still uses fossil fuels at the beginning of the equation. But besides all of that. Electric cars, hydrogen cars, atomic cars!!! You stilll are going to have to solve the traffic problem. Would you consider moving in closer to where transit is so that you won't have to drive so much, like in all the other "real" cities?

LA is another city like Bangkok with less transit mass but who knows... You can have more control when you are driving the car but transit mass can be wasting of your time sometime or got trouble from job for being tardy.

LA is another city like Bangkok with less transit mass but who knows... You can have more control when you are driving the car but transit mass can be wasting of your time sometime or got trouble from job for being tardy.

wait....and traffic on the freeway doesnt make u late???....i would think itd be about the same if not faster to take transit....depending on where u live of course

cause using the bus just isnt comfortable for anything else.. i'm jz used to it.. and also its like the family, so we cant all like wait at the bus stop and take the bus lol... and most places we go to would be hell on the bus and would take for ever.. say we're going to the mall.. westminster mall takes like over an hr on the bus and south coast is like more

Of course if you live in Orange County I wouldn't expect you to take mass transit, it just isn't designed for a transit dependant lifestyle. That's the equivalent of living in western New Jersey or Staten Island or really Long Island. The subway doesn't go to those places because density and accessibility are not a priority for them. We're not talking about Corona, Pomona or Shoshona. Inner city. High density.

LA is another city like Bangkok with less transit mass but who knows... You can have more control when you are driving the car but transit mass can be wasting of your time sometime or got trouble from job for being tardy.

Another cop out. Whoa!!! Most of the posters on here don't live in the city of LA though! I'm sorry but subway-like mass transit is not for the far flung places like Pico Rivera and Santa Cruz, in any city, anywhere on any planet, unless we are talking about commuter rail, inwhich does suck here in LA county. This is really about living in the city. But are any of you who are "way out" planning to move in?

Another cop out.

WTF? I prefer to ride the car over transit mass in LA and prefer to ride the subway in NYC.

How is their a lack of train service? headways? track mileage?

Maybe there isn't a lack of train service, for me and where I have to travel to there is none. Well Maybe Green Line, but too far South from Me. I will continue to carpool with my co-worker. That's one less car off the road.

ferneyism....do u live in South LA???

WTF? I prefer to ride the car over transit mass in LA and prefer to ride the subway in NYC.

Don't get mad at me if you are auto-addicted in LA but are somehow miraculously cured whenever you go to NewYork. Maybe people will look at you strange if you insist on driving in NYC. Kinda how they look at you strange here when you insist on riding the bus??????

ferneyism....do u live in South LA???

No, I live in the Westchester area. Why?

No, I live in the Westchester area. Why?

I agree. Bad area for a car-free lifestyle.

you said you lived north of the green line so i guessed but yeah i guess that makes sense

Chicago: 173km 151 stations
Wash DC: 169 km 89 stations
San Fran:152 km 45stations
LA: 117km 65stations
Boston: 101km 123 stations
Phili: 62km 66 stations


Not bad for a city that has no public transportation. The sad part is that all of these cities either double or more LA's rail ridership. I'm pleasantly surprised at the poll though, I was afraid that "never" would win out.

Don't get mad at me if you are auto-addicted in LA but are somehow miraculously cured whenever you go to NewYork. Maybe people will look at you strange if you insist on driving in NYC. Kinda how they look at you strange here when you insist on riding the bus??????

No, There's only problem that LA is lacking transit mass so many people have going prefer to drive the car that why. NYC is great transit mass and people can go somewhere what they want too. I hate to ride on metro bus and wasting alot of my time to running around LA.

Yeah, I'm addicted to driving the car because I'm usually to driving alot. ;)

Yeah, I'm addicted to driving the car because I'm usually to driving alot. ;)[/QUOTE]

Is all that driving from Poway to LA?

Is all that driving from Poway to LA?

Yeah but I have some relatives that from LA and San Fernando Valley, I only live with relatives in LA sometime especially summer time and spring break. I used to live in LA before moved in Poway in last September. After graduation, I will probably moving back to LA.

Yeah but I have some relatives that from LA and San Fernando Valley, I only live with relatives in LA sometime especially summer time and spring break. I used to live in LA before moved in Poway in last September. After graduation, I will probably moving back to LA.

What part of LA where you living at?

What part of LA where living at?

West Hills in San Fernando Valley

West Hills in San Fernando Valley

By Yankee Doodles on Victory Blvd.

By Yankee Doodles on Victory Blvd.

It's in Woodland Hills, not in West Hills.

It's in Woodland Hills, not in West Hills.

Yea your right, your further west more like Fallbrook Blvd. :okay:

wait.. wtf.. LA Lover where do you life?? first you said alabama, then something about moving to London and then you said that you moved to North SD county.. where tf are you?? ur lying to us..

wait.. wtf.. LA Lover where do you life?? first you said alabama, then something about moving to London and then you said that you moved to North SD county.. where tf are you?? ur lying to us..

No, I never moving to London or never lived in London before. I used to live in Alabama for 2 years in last 15 years ago before moved to LA then moved in LA and lived about 12 years then finally moved to Poway in September.

No, I never moving to London or never lived in London before. I used to live in Alabama for 2 years in last 15 years ago before moved to LA then moved in LA and lived about 12 years then finally moved to Poway in September.

Let me get this straight:
You lived in Alabama for 15 years, Then lived in LA for another 12. That would total 27 years. On your B~day thread you mentioned you just 18 years old...... 27 vs 18, so which one is it????

lol

I usually go on the OCTA buses to get to school and back, but I'll start using my truck when I get a job. The OCTA buses here come by about every 45 minutes, which sucks sweaty ape nuts.

Let me get this straight:
You lived in Alabama for 15 years, Then lived in LA for another 12. That would total 27 years. On your B~day thread you mentioned you just 18 years old...... 27 vs 18, so which one is it????

You don't read carefully.

Read again.
No, I never moving to London or never lived in London before. I used to live in Alabama for 2 years in last 15 years ago before moved to LA then moved in LA and lived about 12 years then finally moved to Poway in September.

last 15 years ago means in 1991 but I was moved to LA in summer 1993.

At first, I born in Miami and lived about 3 years then moved to Birmingham, AL in 1991 and lived for 2 years then moved to LA in summer 1993 and lived for 12 years then finally moved to Poway in September 2005. I never lived or moved to London. You need to read carefully. :sleepy:

LOL, still confusing, but kinda makes sesnse.

I usually go on the OCTA buses to get to school and back, but I'll start using my truck when I get a job. The OCTA buses here come by about every 45 minutes, which sucks sweaty ape nuts.

Welcome Feep to the forum, anyway I take it you live in the OC? :?

So "Yakumoto" the solution is probably make parking harder to come by, which is already happening if you've tried going out to see a band in the City Of West Hollywood any given night.

Thats one way of getting people out of their cars...In the area around Park LaBrea parking is so bad that everyone walks to the stores on wilshire, then take their groceries home in the shopping carts, which are left all over the neighborhood.

I liveand work on the west side but if the Wilshire subway existed, I would certainly use it to downtown. If I could take the subway to Century City where I work, I would do that as well.

I'm not sure if any of you have rode the Gold Line and have seen the incredible TOD's(transit orientated development) that are going up all over the place. Is this the future of LA?

^thats exactly what LA's future is.

I'm not sure if any of you have rode the Gold Line and have seen the incredible TOD's(transit orientated development) that are going up all over the place. Is this the future of LA?

The Del Mar station looks like a fortress.

LA Lover..didn't you go to school in Riverside?

Never rode the Gold Line before, but hear is pretty good.

The Del Mar station looks like a fortress.

LA Lover..didn't you go to school in Riverside?

The Del Mar station is the most incredible tod I've ever witnessed being built. If you haven't gone up to see it, you owe it to yourself. I mean the train goes right dead center of the entire complex! Very dope! Also the tod at the Lincoln Heights station is like 5 feet away from the tracks and goes back as far as the eye can see. Then their is the tod at the Noho station that has that mini-skyscraper across the street and those other apt. bldgs that go on forever and then Noho commons. Then the one at Wilshire and Vermont that is being built right on top of the station like Hollywood and Highland was. I would start a thread on tod's but pasting a picture seems like a long and tedious campaign. Perhaps I'll find the strength.

Never taken the Gold Line. Maybe for the Rose Parade if I decide to go, or able to get up early enough.

LA Lover went to go school in ALabama.

I am happily surprised to see the "auto+transit" mix in the poll being so high. I have plenty of friends who drive to the Noho station and take the train down to see the Lakers at the Staples Center.

Originally Posted By Klamadia
but pasting a picture seems like a long and tedious canpaing.
LOL, why.

Btw NoHo Tower looks great, just what the city needed.

:?

:?

Take the train to the Noho stop. Get out and you'll see it.

LOL, why.

Isn't it hard?

The Del Mar station looks like a fortress.

LA Lover..didn't you go to school in Riverside?

I did for about 2 years, deaf school is located in Riverside but I was quit and transfered to public school. Living in Riverside is no real, just live in dorm and went home every weekend.

Never taken the Gold Line. Maybe for the Rose Parade if I decide to go, or able to get up early enough.

LA Lover went to go school in ALabama.

Nah, I never went school in Alabama.

^^ Well, did have you at least been there?

^^ Well, did have you at least been there?

Where? I haven't been in other state since 1993 execpt for west coast including Nevada and Arizona. I'm currently senior at Poway HS.

. I'm currently senior at Poway HS.

Class of 2006 sucks! :jk:

Make sure you take the hottest person in your school to prom!

No, There's only problem that LA is lacking transit mass so many people have going prefer to drive the car that why. NYC is great transit mass and people can go somewhere what they want too. I hate to ride on metro bus and wasting alot of my time to running around LA.

Yeah, I'm addicted to driving the car because I'm usually to driving alot. ;)

This is becoming a rapidly outdated mentality in this city. Here's a link for you LA Lover. http://www.lacity.org/lahd/curriculum/framingissues/ If you love LA soooo much, you'd probably want to start practicing some more sensible options that will help the city become more liveable instead of driving your car all the time.

I'm also impressed with the above poll of "auto/transit mix users" (which is all that can be reasonably asked for with our present system) tied with "occasionaly". Unfortunately "never" surpasses "exclusive" riders.

Yea LA Lover get your behind of that car and ride Transit*

Yea LA Lover get your behind of that car and ride Transit*

newbie, shut up... I'm not talk to you.

This is becoming a rapidly outdated mentality in this city. Here's a link for you LA Lover. http://www.lacity.org/lahd/curriculum/framingissues/ If you love LA soooo much, you'd probably want to start practicing some more sensible options that will help the city become more liveable instead of driving your car all the time.

I'm also impressed with the above poll of "auto/transit mix users" (which is all that can be reasonably asked for with our present system) tied with "occasionaly". Unfortunately "never" surpasses "exclusive" riders.

Thanks for sent a link, I'm very intresting with link that you sent but I'm have alot of experience about LA with more other stuff than driving the car. Of course, I love LA too much, next San Diego is my 2nd favorite city and next 3rd favorite city is Honolulu. What kind of car that you driving around LA at often? Yeah, It must be YIMBY!!!

Actually I have a Jeep that is addicted to gas. But even if it wasn't, I feel like I'm carrying around a ton of metal from store to store when I decide to drive. Unless you've lived in a pro-pedestrian society I don't really expect you to understand.

newbie, shut up... I'm not talk to you.

Attitude my friend!!!!!

Oh, here's a little piece of Zev's law that bans subway tunneling that LA county stupidly voted "yes" on, back in 1998.The 1998 Subway Prohibition Act states (excerpts only):


Section 3. Purpose and Intent


c. To prohibit the use of any transportation sales tax revenues for
planning, designing, constructing or operating any new subway.


Section 4. Definitions


g. "New Subway" means any Subway (including any extension or operating
segment thereof) other than MOS-1, MOS-2 and MOS-3-North Hollywood.


l. "Subway" means that part of any rail line which is in a tunnel below
the grade level of the earth's surface.


Section 7. Prohibition on New Subways


Notwithstanding any other provision of law, Proposition A Sales Tax
revenues and Proposition C Sales Tax revenues shall not be used to pay
any cost of planning, design, construction or operation of any New
Subway (including debt service on bonds, notes or other evidences of
indebtedness issued for such purposes after March 30, 1998). Nothing in
this section shall be construed to prohibit the use of such tax revenues
on or after the Effective Date of this Act to pay debt service on bonds,
notes or other evidences of indebtedness issued prior to March 30, 1998,
or on bonds issued to refund such debt.

Attitude my friend!!!!!

Using PM (private message) feature to solving the problem.

Back to topic.

Oh, here's a little piece of Zev's law that bans subway tunneling that LA county stupidly voted "yes" on, back in 1998.The 1998 Subway Prohibition Act states (excerpts only):


Section 3. Purpose and Intent


c. To prohibit the use of any transportation sales tax revenues for
planning, designing, constructing or operating any new subway.


Section 4. Definitions


g. "New Subway" means any Subway (including any extension or operating
segment thereof) other than MOS-1, MOS-2 and MOS-3-North Hollywood.


l. "Subway" means that part of any rail line which is in a tunnel below
the grade level of the earth's surface.


Section 7. Prohibition on New Subways


Notwithstanding any other provision of law, Proposition A Sales Tax
revenues and Proposition C Sales Tax revenues shall not be used to pay
any cost of planning, design, construction or operation of any New
Subway (including debt service on bonds, notes or other evidences of
indebtedness issued for such purposes after March 30, 1998). Nothing in
this section shall be construed to prohibit the use of such tax revenues
on or after the Effective Date of this Act to pay debt service on bonds,
notes or other evidences of indebtedness issued prior to March 30, 1998,
or on bonds issued to refund such debt.

Yeah, that's stupid law ever. :(

Zev=Anal,

Do you really think that Zev is really going to remove the ban. If he doesn't what can we do as Angelinos. We can't just sit there and do nothing.

That's what I'm talking about! It's our friggin' money! I wouldn't mind starting a coalition to help overturn Zev's law. So I'm researching the net trying to find if their is an org already in existence trying to do the same thing.

Did the any of you vote on that? Cuz if you did shame on you.

That's what I'm talking about! It's our friggin' money! I wouldn't mind starting a coalition to help overturn Zev's law. So I'm researching the net trying to find if their is an org already in existence trying to do the same thing.


We all need to get involved with this matter. This matter better be in the Mayor's top Agenda.

Hey F. LA, I don't re-call this matter being in an election. I remember the sink hole on Hollywood Bl, . and some other problems.

They snuck it onto the ballot back in 1998. That was long before I moved here and before some of you living here were old enough to vote. Their really isn't any other solution besides subways and light rail.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/JTF_LACountyJTF.pdf

LOS ANGELES Despite falling gas prices, the number of people taking Southern California's commuter rail lines has increased _ so much so that officials are looking for more trains.

Metrolink, which provides rail service from downtown Los Angeles to five surrounding counties, had sharp increases in riders when gas prices went up this summer and fall. Metrolink spokeswoman Denise Tyrrell said traditionally such increases go down once gas prices fall, but that hasn't happened this winter.

An average of just over 41-thousand-500 passengers boarded Metrolink trains last month, a four percent rise since September, when prices peaked at pumps across California.

The number of total riders has jumped 7 percent in November compared with the same month in 2004.

Facing increasingly crowded trains, Metrolink earlier this month asked manufacturers worldwide to submit bids for 80 to 100 cars. Officials have also been scouring the used-train market across the nation.

Very cool! I didn't read this article. Where did you get this one from? I've never rode a Metrolink train but a friend of mine who frequently commutes to Ontario said that the trains do near 75mph and just zooms past the parking lot that we call rush hour traffic.

It sounds like a new adventure :horse:

I also heard that it reaches all the way to San Diego???

I got it Off of Yahoo news

It sounds like a new adventure :horse:

I also heard that it reaches all the way to San Diego???


I think that's the regular Amtrak trains that you are thinking of. The Metrolink trains serve the suburban communities of LA. But basically LA has been spoiled by the car. Alot of people have unreasonable expectations of what public transit can or cannot do.

I am estatic after reading that poll above! First place is a mix of auto/transit which is what I do when feeling ultra-lazy and I drive myself the 3/4 mile to the Red Line station. Since the LA forum is full of people who technically live around LA and don't have immediate access to good transit it is understandable that the "never" crowd is so high. I have mad respect for the "exclusive"users! Hopefully in about 10 years more of us will be able to do that.

On another note, I'm thinking about starting a BL(blue line)blog, the most daring train in the world! The man with "no-eyes" got on today and to prove that he was blind started tapping on his glass eyes as if tapping on a window, to show us that they were not real. I have nightmares about this man. :runaway:

yay good news....im switching from occasionally to auto+transit.......its because ill be taking the green line and then the bus from my school, home....starting monday :colgate: cant wait

On another note, I'm thinking about starting a BL(blue line)blog, the most daring train in the world! The man with "no-eyes" got on today and to prove that he was blind started tapping on his glass eyes as if tapping on a window, to show us that they were not real. I have nightmares about this man. :runaway:

Have we not had this conversation before. Also something about an older Korean couple who hardly spoke English were singing to La Bamba or something. Well if you do that thread it's going to turn out very interesting?????

Just remembered that one. I guess I am repeating myself.

Well who es, keep on talking about those weird things.

Who is in the "never" ride transit crowd? I want to know why?

Who is in the "never" ride transit crowd? I want to know why?

If you don't live or work in the central area of LA, that's a good reason...using transit anywhere in orange county is pretty useless. I'm guessing that most of the forumers don't live in central LA (you know who you are if you do because of the phonebook), so its nice that so many of them use transit. For plenty of places in LA proper and most places in the LA metro it's much quicker and more convenient to drive.

I think we've mentioned this before. It's really too easy to own a car here. Their is just too much free parking. Though, I think that's changing.