NBA
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New York Knicks

2x Champion:
1970, 1973


NHL
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New York Rangers

4x Champion:
1928, 1933, 1940, 1994







Known to many as the World's Famous Arena is Madison Square Garden. The place is located between 31st St, 33rd St, 7th Ave, and 8th Ave. This arena can seat 19,763 people in at a maxium. This place has been home to NY Knicks (Knickerbockers), NY Liberty, and NY Rangers. Of course some may never fully accept it due to the fact that it replaced the terminal building for Penn Station back in 1968 when it was razed three years ealier. The nickname MSG comes from the hype that the fans give here when seeing games at the arena hence what this salt tends to give. The founding of this place even gave a the name for a local sports network known as MSG Network, which televises most of the games at MSG as well as the NY Mets and NY/NJ Metrostars. Today's owner of MSG is Mike Dolan, who owns Cablevision. MSG also houses the Paramount Theater, which has been known for giving plays as well as talk shows. On the 7th Ave side is an annexing building known as 2 Penn Plaza, which has offices as well as resturaunts such as The Garden Bar & Grill and Play by Play Resteraunt. Of course, MSG itself has Nick's Steakhouse, which can be seen on the 33rd St side. It can be easily accessed at Penn Station, which is below it by the 1, 2, 3, A, C, E trains of the subway as well from NJ Light Rail, PATH, and Amtrak. MSG is also, only a few blocks in from the Westside Hwy (NY 9A).

Exterior
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I could have done without those Liberty pics.

I was there when I saw Wrestlemania XX, it was an amazing experience. Very nice arena with a lot of history.

They destroyed the old Penn station to build this didnt they? If i am right then i hate this building...

If only we could turn back time sometimes...

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^ They sure did...

The location of the building can't be beat, but personally I don't care for the looks of it. Also, it seems like most of the hype comes from its name and not much else. Most other arenas in the U.S. have a more modern desigen, greater capacity, and nicer architecture. I give it a 5.0.

What does it cost to go and see an NBA or NHL match at this stadium? Is it difficult to get a ticket?

Do they still have boxing there. I have seen old documentaries on boxing and this stadium's name popped up occasionally.

Quite simply a tragedy that this 'arena' was built. Look at the madness at what was destroyed. Some good came out of the bad though.


"Destruction

After a renovation covered some of the grand columns with plastic and blocked off the spacious central hallway with a new ticket office, Lewis Mumford wrote critically in the New Yorker in 1958 that "nothing further that could be done to the station could damage it". History was to prove him wrong. Under the presidency of Pennsylvania Railroad's Stuart T. Saunders (who later headed ill-fated Penn Central Transportation), the above-ground components of this structure (the platforms are below street level) were demolished in 1964, without disrupting the essential day-to-day operations, to make way for present-day Madison Square Garden, along with two office towers.

Four eagles salvaged from the station currently reside on the Market Street Bridge in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania across from that city's 30th Street Station. Another is located at the Long Island Rail Road station in Hicksville, New York.

The demolition of such a well-known landmark, and its replacement by a mediocre slab of real estate, were widely deplored, and are often cited as catalysts for the architectural preservation movement in the United States, and for laws restricting such demolition. Within the decade, Grand Central Terminal was protected under the city's new landmarks preservation act -- a protection which was upheld by the courts in 1978, after a challenge by Grand Central's owner, Penn Central.

The outcry over the loss of Penn Station prompted activists to question the "development scheme" mentality that was also cultivated by New York's "master builder", Robert Moses (although the cash-strapped railroad, not Moses, was actually responsible for the demolition). Moses' plans for a Lower Manhattan Expressway were scrapped due to public protests and a rejection of the plan by the city government.

In the longer run, the sense that something irreplaceable had been lost contributed to the erosion of confidence in Modernism itself and its sweeping forms of urban renewal, and thus strengthened interest in historic preservation. Comparing the new and the old Penn Station, architectural historian Vincent Scully once wrote, "One entered the city like a god, one scuttles in now like a rat."


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I can't explain why, but I'd thought MSQ was significantly older that 1968. Looks decent but nothing special as an arena goes.

I'm much more impressed bt the old station I'm afraid.

The arena itself is awesome...steeped with history and in a great location.

...yet I still can't get over it being built where the beautiful Penn station once stood but you can't blame the arena for the shortsightedness of humans :mad2:

History is the important word here. Knowing how many events have gone on inside MSG's walls is what makes it so great. However, with that being said, the arena is not that great. It's not near as nice aesthetically or functionally as many of the new arenas.

Then again, neither is Wrigley Field, Yankee Stadium, Fenway Park, and more.

I guess what I'm saying is that, from a purely historical standpoint, it's a 9 or 10. From aesthetics and functional purposes, it ranks very low.

The fact that it's in the middle of NYC gives it more points though, I suppose.

Eh, 6, maybe 7, overall.

It would be difficult to say something positive about its looks, or to put it another way; its damn ugly. And when you look at the masterpeace they killed to build this, it enough to make you cry...

Still, the Gerden serves it purpose and had proven to be very popular both with sports and other arengements...For looks, I would give it a 4, but for use, i think an 8....so, i guess thats a 6 i total??

What does it cost to go and see an NBA or NHL match at this stadium? Is it difficult to get a ticket?

Do they still have boxing there. I have seen old documentaries on boxing and this stadium's name popped up occasionally.
On Monday I went to a Knicks game there, and it cost me $244.50 for sitting in the 100's section, though this is the price for one ticket and without including the service charge. Even though you can get Knicks tickets more easily, they are still pretty expensive. I am not very familiar with the ticket prices for the Rangers. However, you should look at the websites for the seating charts of the Kincks (http://www.nba.com/knicks/tickets/arena.html), Liberty (http://www.wnba.com/liberty/tickets/msg_seating_price_chart.html), and Rangers (http://www.newyorkrangers.com/). I do believe that the Golden Gloves Match is still being held there, which is boxing. Of course another famous event at the Garden is the National Westminister Dog Show, which is held there annually.

^^^^^

That is very pricey. The players are on pretty high wages so I suppose it figures.

The Dog Show might be more in my price bracket. You would think that the dogs work for practically free.
:cheers:

The NY Liberty have tickets that would fit your price range. ;)

^^
lol @ the WNBA


The arena is a horribly ugly building that was built over an amazingly beautiful building. Its really a shame that they demolished the old Penn station to build sucha hideous arena.

I have only seen some hockey games from it on swedish TV (the LOVE NY Rangers on Canal Plus Sweden), and I am not impressed, especially when you compare it with almost any other NHL arena.

The other reason why ticket prices are so high is also b/c of the fact that MSG sits in Manhattan and the property taxes are pretty high, which is why ticket prices for the Knicks, Rangers, and Liberty are among the highest in their leagues regaurdless to how much the players want.

I got the train from Toronto to Penn station. When I came out and saw Madison Square Gardens I was shocked by how rubbish it looked. New York is an amazing city, Madison Square Gardens is nothing compared to most New York buildings. It's just a concrete circle. It's not even big. I guess it's the history of sporting events that makes it famous, not the actual building.

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Pls no more pics of Penn Station. Its upsetting!

the funny thing is that...i know this Madison Square Garden from the movie <<Godzilla>> years ago!!! however, i think it is quite small comparing to other stadia!

Quite shocked to discover that, that beautifull Old Penn Station was demlolished, to make way for the arena. MSG does have a famous name, but visually, it's not very inspiring.

i wonder.........
will it change to Madison "Cube" Garden like in Futurama??........... :D

I only gave it an 8 b/c of the fact that it did replace Penn Station and that ticket prices are too high. I will admit that MSG won't win a beauty contest, but it is still tends to be on the top of great venues. In ariel shots, it tends to fit in with the city than when it's shown at street level.

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the funny thing is that...i know this Madison Square Garden from the movie <<Godzilla>> years ago!!! however, i think it is quite small comparing to other stadia!

Its not a stadium, its an arena. And for an arena, its on the large side.

MSG was actually built as a part of a complex known as Penn Plaza in which the whole point was to attach an office building on the 7th Ave side.

MSG may have an ugly exterior, but the atmosphere when you watch a Knicks game there can't be beat (and I have been to many arenas). Unlike other arenas, where there are multiple levels of skyboxes, all of MSG's skyboxes are at the top of the building. This means that the seats are all relatvely close to the floor and, thus, it gets really loud.

To me, MSG is simply a container (and an uninspired one at that); it's the events that take place there which activate it and give it any sort of interest. While you could certainly make that argument about any sports venue (container vs. content), there are many that are quite inspiring/awesome when they're empty (Maracana in Rio and the Astrodome in Houston come to mind). MSG however is not one of those venues!

Though it's been years since I went to an event there, I still remember going to MSG to watch Brazil beat Italy in Mexico City during the 1970 World Cup on closed circuit TV. After the game, we all danced around the large screens at the bottom of the arena and I remember seeing all the tiny Italian flags that had been so enthusiastically waved during the game, broken across the backs of the seats - made quite an impression on my 7 year old mind.

The arena has changed since then after Mike Dolan had the place rennovated.

I can't explain why, but I'd thought MSG was significantly older that 1968. Looks decent but nothing special as an arena goes.

I'm much more impressed bt the old station I'm afraid.

There have been other MSG's in the past going back to the 19th century...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Square_Garden

Madison Square Garden renovation will cost more, take longer and include luxury `supersuite'
3 June 2009

NEW YORK (AP) - A "supersuite" that could hold 300 people and luxury suites with kitchens, full bars and fireplaces will be offered to big spenders at the new Madison Square Garden, officials said Tuesday in an update of plans to upgrade the 41-year-old arena.

The renovation of the nation's busiest arena will take a year longer than planned -- the upper level won't be finished until the beginning of the NBA and NHL's 2012-2013 season -- and will go over its $500 million budget, MSG Vice Chairman Hank Ratner said.

But, "we're not going to be looking for anyone else to pay for it," Ratner said.

The city and state have committed hundreds of millions in bonds and other incentives to the Yankees and Mets' new stadiums and a planned arena for the New Jersey Nets.

Ratner said no decisions had been made on pricing, including for the 20 floor-level luxury suites and the 5,000-square-foot supersuite. But he said the arena is trying to learn from other sports venues in a tanking economy. The Yankees cut the price of over 100 front-row seats from $2,500 to $1,250 last month after seeing empty rows of the top-priced spots game after game.

The Garden officials showed reporters two mock-ups of a midlevel and floor-level luxury suite, which will soon be shopped to corporate sponsors. The suites behind the 23rd row at the Garden included granite-topped kitchen islands behind stadium seating; the floor-level suite featured formal dining tables, full bars and a fireplace.

The Garden abandoned plans for 19 "ledge suites" on the higher levels and combined 10 luxury suites to create the one supersuite since it introduced the plans a year ago.

Patrons will have 40 more places to buy concessions, including "blue seat bars" at the upper levels in the new arena, officials said. The renovation won't change the exterior of the drum-shaped arena, although knocking down some walls on the inside would give patrons street views from wider concourses. The iconic, domed ceiling will be raised and the angle of every seat will be changed to give better views from the top, officials said.

Ratner gave no date when construction would begin, but said 150 MSG employees were in the process of moving out to offices across the street to make way for the expansion. The renovations are planned largely during summer months, creating no schedule changes for the NBA's New York Knicks and NHL's New York Rangers, although Ratner said the arena was still working on the schedule for the New York Liberty women's basketball team.

The Garden opted for the renovation a year ago after backing out of long negotiations with the state and city to sell the arena and move into a landmark post office building a block away.

The decision stalled the $14 billion plan to renovate Pennsylvania Station and build office towers in the neighborhood, where the Garden's spot had been seen as prime real estate.

Ratner said the Garden hadn't reconsidered its move.

"We are renovating MSG, period," he said.

MSG, the Knicks, Liberty and Rangers are owned by Cablevision Systems Corp.

Madison Square Garden's interior bowl consists of one big tier which is divided into three sections and two floors of luxury boxes. And there's even a 5,000-seat performing arts theatre right below the arena. If only the renovation involved gutting the arena and give it an exterior like all the other indoor arenas constructed in the 2000s have. But with the performing arts venue below it, any major renovation to the facility wold be difficult.

Does anyone have picstures of MSG prior to the 1991 rennovation? I really want to see how the blueseats looked back then.

Pic of MSG pre-renovations.

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Time for a new arena maybe? Say a 30,000 convertible one at the rail yards (the proposed backup site for the NYC's 2012 Olympic Stadium)?

Perhaps the "demolished" Madison Square Garden could turn into an actual garden? Naturally one would want to propose some sort of MSG museum there.

Pic of MSG pre-renovations.

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ahhh thanks for fidning that. I have hardly ever seen any pictures from inside MSG prior to the 1991 rennovation.

Time for a new arena maybe? Say a 30,000 convertible one at the rail yards (the proposed backup site for the NYC's 2012 Olympic Stadium)?

Perhaps the "demolished" Madison Square Garden could turn into an actual garden? Naturally one would want to propose some sort of MSG museum there.

MSG will be undergoing a mind boggling rennovation very soon.. details to come.

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The other story that has progressed in lock step with Walsh's free-agent plan is a $775 million-$850 million renovation of Madison Square Garden that is expected to be partially completed by 2011-12 season. Essentially, everything but the iconic exterior and ceiling will be gutted and modernized, so that MSG's outdated amenities finally will measure up to its reputation.

"To continue to attract the greatest events in the world, the world's most famous arena will become the world's most state-of-the-art arena," MSG president and CEO Hank Ratner said.

It doesn't take much creative license to see that Dolan isn't spending nearly $1 billion because he wants the paying customers to be more comfortable. In addition to perks like widened concourses, windows opening up to city views, and better sightlines from both the upper and lower bowls, the transformation of the Garden will include something never before attempted -- something that will solidify it as the proper playpen for the sport's biggest star, should he choose to embrace it. The building will feature 20 court-level suites the size of Manhattan apartments -- and with a similar price tag. Each will have a living room and a fireplace and access to courtside seats, with the expected price to exceed $1 million for a year's worth of Garden events.

The facelift is being financed entirely by MSG, making it difficult to believe that Dolan expects Walsh's simultaneous renovation of the Knicks to be sidetracked by fickle free agents or a work stoppage that threatens to wipe out a good chunk of the first season in the renovated building.

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Some people are criticizing it purely because it's an old building and doesn't luke so modern, but did you know it's actually very high on NBA rankings?

Few arenas in the NBA have the atmosphere of the MSG, Kobe and Lebron (even Jordan in his time) have recognized they enjoy playing there because of the atmosphere, the lightning, and the fans. Like a read on a NBA site "some people say it's a dump, hey! it's a classy dump"

Atmosphere is everything to me. creature comforts are worthless if the atmosphere s$cks.

If Madison Square Garden's interior were changed, i would gut the interior structure and put in a lower tier with 20 rows of seating, an upper tier with five rows of seating, and luxury boxes at the very top of the arena, completely around the seating bowl. The Populous Sports Facilities Group should have designed a future renovation of the structure. but now another firm is doing the job.

Time for a new arena maybe? Say a 30,000 convertible one at the rail yards (the proposed backup site for the NYC's 2012 Olympic Stadium)?

Perhaps the "demolished" Madison Square Garden could turn into an actual garden? Naturally one would want to propose some sort of MSG museum there.

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Less seats. No scoreboard.

OT: Any updates and a comparision of the 1968 MSG, 1991 MSG, and 2012 MSG?

Some people are criticizing it purely because it's an old building and doesn't luke so modern, but did you know it's actually very high on NBA rankings?

Few arenas in the NBA have the atmosphere of the MSG, Kobe and Lebron (even Jordan in his time) have recognized they enjoy playing there because of the atmosphere, the lightning, and the fans. Like a read on a NBA site "some people say it's a dump, hey! it's a classy dump"

MSG undoubtedly had a better atmosphere during Jordan's career than Kobe and LBJ's. The Knicks and Bulls had an actual rivalry, and the Knicks weren't losing 60+ games a year. Kobe and James, when they are referring to MSG as "the Mecca of basketball" are just repeating what Jordan had stated in the past and are not basing that on any personal experiences.

OT: Any updates and a comparision of the 1968 MSG, 1991 MSG, and 2012 MSG?

Would like to see that myself

MSG undoubtedly had a better atmosphere during Jordan's career than Kobe and LBJ's. The Knicks and Bulls had an actual rivalry, and the Knicks weren't losing 60+ games a year. Kobe and James, when they are referring to MSG as "the Mecca of basketball" are just repeating what Jordan had stated in the past and are not basing that on any personal experiences.

Kobe was in the league for several years when the Knicks were very good and MSG has an incredible atmosphere. LeBron, not so much, but any players with an appreciation for basketball history are ok in my book.

Kobe was in the league for several years when the Knicks were very good and MSG has an incredible atmosphere. LeBron, not so much, but any players with an appreciation for basketball history are ok in my book.

In the early years of Kobe's career possibly. Kobe Bryant was a rookie during the '96-'97 season. The ASG in 1998 was at MSG in which Bryant was a starter for the West. The Knicks were in the Finals in 1999, but due to the shortened season the Lakers didn't play the Knicks during the regular season. The Knicks have been an disaster for LeBron James's entire career. The Knicks no longer sell out games on a regular basis.

What do they do with the ice when their is a consert?
I know they just lay the basketball floor over it when the Knicks play, but when there is an extensive non-hockey use; like a consert or a convention; is the ice still there?

that penn station is BEAUTIFUL!! shame its not there anymore

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MSG is ugly!

It is my favorite arena! :)

I'm sorry to say to this but this has to be one of the dumbest idea's ever madson square garden has had it's time it's time to build a new arena. It's actually not a very big arena when compared to other arena's. The only reason why it makes a lot of money is because well it's in new york how can it not make money. Now the renovations do look impressive but this could get ugly if there are too many cost over runs and there will be some because msg is an old building and unexpected problems will happen.

It's pretty much right in line with the rest of the NBA and NHL, I guess one could argue it should be larger than the rest, but it seems to be fine in terms of size, and as long as its mostly private money who cares how they spend it? Also its nice they are keeping the ceiling, I'm not a huge fan of the new bowl but at least it will look sort of unique.

They should build another Area!

There's already a website where you can follow the renovations underway: http://msgtransformation.com/Transformation.aspx

Phase one of the MSG Transformation:
* Lower Bowl
* Madison Concourse (6th Floor)
* Event Level Suites
* Delta Sky360 Club
* Locker Rooms

Phase two of the MSG Transformation:
* Upper Bowl
* Garden Concourse (8th Floor)
* Madison Suites
* Madison Club

Phase three of the MSG Transformation:
* Chase Square at Madison Square Garden
* The Chase Bridges at Madison Square Garden
* Budweiser Fan Deck
* Garden Suites

I also hope this transformation increases the capacity of the arena.

I also hope this transformation increases the capacity of the arena.

When MSG was renovated the first time, I believe the capacity decreased.

When MSG was renovated the first time, I believe the capacity decreased.

I don't think so. I believe that when the luxury seats were added twenty years ago, the capacity increased, since there were no seats on the upper side of the garden. Proof?
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Ugly outside,but great inside.My favourite arena from the USA.

Judging by the recent construction updates posted on the transformation website, new escalator was installed, the stone facade on the east side was removed, and a new box office and the 1879 Club are being built.

Judging by the recent construction updates posted on the transformation website, new escalator was installed, the stone facade on the east side was removed, and a new box office and the 1879 Club are being built.

my friend is going to the rangers game tonight. I'll see if he can get any pics of what's going on.

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^^ Phish show at MSG. Nice!!:cheers:

I'm going to the NYR - Montreal game Tuesday night. I'll check out what's going on. I hate that stupid bridge they are planning.

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I hope this MSG transformation is going to be thorough enough for it to continue to be one of the premier arenas in the entire world.

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I hope this MSG transformation is going to be thorough enough for it to continue to be one of the premier arenas in the entire world.



I think the renovations are going give it a really generic seating bowl compared to what it currently there, however they are planning to keep the really lovely ceiling and the concourses/public spaces in general look like they will be much better.

There where some real architectural sins committed world wide in the 1960s...

...This is one of them!

Nice Arena but the outside looks old

My bet is that the renovation will destroy the interior charm that MSG IV currently affords.

MSG is fantastic arena. The best in the world! :cheers:

My bet is that the renovation will destroy the interior charm that MSG IV currently affords.

It's pretty much guaranteed to.

I never knew how beautiful the original Penn Station was. Building that domed-monstrosity over that? Wow.

I never knew how beautiful the original Penn Station was. Building that domed-monstrosity over that? Wow.

Things were done. No one was spared.

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1. Checked the MSG transformation website and saw that a temporary roof was being installed.

2. I was thinking of a transformation of the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum and its seating bowl similar to the MSG transformation. (MSG-indoor, LAMC-outdoor)

A thought; what do they do with the boards during basketball games?
In the vids on youtube you see them raising them with wires, but when you look at the roof, they're not there?

And the retired number-shirts; are those taken away aswell?

Any pics of the renovations?

Any pics of the renovations?

much of the renovations are being done behind closed doors... right now..

As work continues on the Transformation of The World's Most Famous Arena, we appreciate your patience as we make progress on the 6th floor concourse expansion.

We are pleased to inform you that beginning with our game on Thursday, February 17th, against the Kings, the Club Escalators located on the Club Terrace level with access to 6th floor concourse will now be available for use by those Subscribers and guests who have tickets in Club locations.

For those who plan to attend the game, please note that the following areas on the 6th floor concourse continue to have limited to no access:

http://www.thegarden.com/media/content/sporting-events/knicks/110215_transformation.jpg

This transformation will be challenging. How is the current bowl going to be dismantled in phases in a short period of time to make way for the new two-tiered bowl? We shall wait and see this summer...

A thought; what do they do with the boards during basketball games?
In the vids on youtube you see them raising them with wires, but when you look at the roof, they're not there?

And the retired number-shirts; are those taken away aswell?
Not sure about the boards but the retired numbers and banners should stay in the same place. In most arena's half the side has NBA banners and the other half NHL.

A thought; what do they do with the boards during basketball games?
In the vids on youtube you see them raising them with wires, but when you look at the roof, they're not there?

And the retired number-shirts; are those taken away aswell?

What boards are you talking about? Hockey boards?

stupid rennovations......

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/11/knicks-and-rangers-fans-to-see-higher-ticket-prices/

Im afraid the renovations will kill the uniqueness of the current layout.
I love the way it looks now

Why is Madison Square Garden called that if it is a circle?

And I hate this building for destroying Penn Street, and being hideously ugly!

^^ Location :)
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_Madison_Square_Garden_get_its_name

I was up at MSG for the game today and just got back from the airport. I can understand the idea that it shouldn't be changed for nostalgic reasons, but that was the most cramped arena I've ever been in. I'm looking forward to visiting MSG when renovations are complete, because it wasn't a great experience (not even considering the loss in my assessment).

A lot of the people I talked to were excited about the renovations.

I was up at MSG for the game today and just got back from the airport. I can understand the idea that it shouldn't be changed for nostalgic reasons, but that was the most cramped arena I've ever been in. I'm looking forward to visiting MSG when renovations are complete, because it wasn't a great experience (not even considering the loss in my assessment).

A lot of the people I talked to were excited about the renovations.

Where were you sitting? Almost everyone I know up in the blue seats hates the complete renovation. Only thing needed fixing were the bathrooms.

My anecdotal speculation is better than yours

In May, June, July, August, and September of 2011, the construction crews will have only five months to demolish the lower bowl and build the new one. Give them all the time they have. The last look at the original lower bowl was on April 17.

oh my god, its a sin, that they destroyed the penn station, what a beautiful old building that was..

oh my god, its a sin, that they destroyed the penn station, what a beautiful old building that was..

agreed.

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/5787/msgdemonight2050511.jpg

So this round will give us new lower bowl, the ground level and 6th floor suites and new locker rooms for Rangers and Knicks.

In May, June, July, August, and September of 2011, the construction crews will have only five months to demolish the lower bowl and build the new one. Give them all the time they have. The last look at the original lower bowl was on April 17.

That was because the Knicks and Rangers were in the playoffs.

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/5787/msgdemonight2050511.jpg

This reminds of the pic of the old Chicago Stadium hosting the 1932 NFL championship.

^^ umm... mods?

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Where can we find those pictures? Is there a website where those transformation pictures are posted?

^^The MSG Transformation website, sir.

Amazing the amount of wires in that place. They must be for all of the lights at the events there.

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These show how well needed this reconstruction is.

These show how well needed this reconstruction is.

In what way?

In what way?

They really show the deterioration of the arena (beside what was destroyed on purpose for the reconstruction). Especially the second photo.

I'm really surprised there isn't a plan to beautify the outside. With the dramatic redo of the interior, I think an updated exterior would be in the plans. Maybe a phase yet to be announced?

^^ In a way that's not needed. The owners are cheap bastards and the venue has been given special tax conditions that all but endow MSG with a captive audience. So why pay over the top knowing people have no other real options to see such events in NYC?

(Can you tell I was rooting for the Jets proposed retractable-roof stadium?!!! :tongue2:)

As someone who walked through the seating bowl of Maple Leaf Gardens when they were stripping the interior, I can say it feels somewhat eerie to be in an arena in this state. The bowl stripped of its seats, rubble on the ground, dusty...

I'm really surprised there isn't a plan to beautify the outside. With the dramatic redo of the interior, I think an updated exterior would be in the plans. Maybe a phase yet to be announced?

There is a plan for that. Phase 2 I think.

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I don't know how they can finish what they want to do before the Rangers start playing again.

^^It's either "Lack of Frequent Updates Syndrome" or work is going to slow. It better not be slow.

I don't know how they can finish what they want to do before the Rangers start playing again.

NYR home opener will be in November.

NYR home opener will be in November.

The NHL season starts in early October.

absolutely it is world class stadium,besides famous,still outstanding ,

The NHL season starts in early October.

And the Rangers will be on the road untill November.

^^So, because of that, the crews have until November to get the new lower tier finished? At the moment, it looks like a concrete tear-up zone.

^^So, because of that, the crews have until November to get the new lower tier finished? At the moment, it looks like a concrete tear-up zone.
And if construction falls behind, I'm sure some nice city would lend them facilities to use in the mean time. Like, say, Boston?

And if construction falls behind, I'm sure some nice city would lend them facilities to use in the mean time. Like, say, Boston?

You know there are 3 full size NHL arenas in the NY Metro Area, right? One of which doesn't have a tenant right now:

Nassau County Coliseum
Prudential Center
Izod (formerly Continental Airlines) arena

I'm sure Izod would be able to host the Rangers/Knicks should the need arise.

You know there are 3 full size NHL arenas in the NY Metro Area, right? One of which doesn't have a tenant right now:

Nassau County Coliseum
Prudential Center
Izod (formerly Continental Airlines) arena

I'm sure Izod would be able to host the Rangers/Knicks should the need arise.
probably Izod since the other two are being used by rival tenants

whoa they really gutted the place i didn't realise that they would be renovating this much

You know there are 3 full size NHL arenas in the NY Metro Area, right? One of which doesn't have a tenant right now:

Nassau County Coliseum
Prudential Center
Izod (formerly Continental Airlines) arena

I'm sure Izod would be able to host the Rangers/Knicks should the need arise.
Humor really is dying out on planet Earth. :ohno:

Rangers home opener will be on October 27th.

Rangers home opener will be on October 27th.

vs Toronto. Hope I can get tix.

The concave roof of the Madison Square Garden dips too low for the spectators at the highest levels of the seating bowl to view the event.

Also, I hope the new bridges suspended from the ceiling do not suddenly collapse onto the seating bowl, which would be a disaster.

And the Millrose Games (an indoor track and field event) will move from Madison Square Garden (MSG 2, 3, and 4 hosted the event) to the Fort Washington Avenue Armory due to declining attendance and rent issues in MSG.

And the Millrose Games (an indoor track and field event) will move from Madison Square Garden (MSG 2, 3, and 4 hosted the event) to the Fort Washington Avenue Armory due to declining attendance and rent issues in MSG.

That is sad. 100 years at MSG

Any updates on the transformation?

Any updates on the transformation?

Yea, the fans are going to HATE paying for it when all we needed were upgraded bathrooms.

lol, I visited the garden twice and you maybe right but I think as the most famous and busiest arena in the world it really needs a renovation. this transformation seems to be a little over the top but primarily the reconstruction of the bowl is a good thing.

Any updates on the transformation?

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MSG going above & beyond
Makeover to give fans a view from the top
By JEREMY OLSHAN
Last Updated: 4:55 PM, May 24, 2010
Posted: 5:08 AM, May 24, 2010


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Forget courtside! The hottest ticket at the revamped Madison Square Garden will be straight above Spike Lee's head.
Up to a thousand fans will get to sit in premium nosebleed seats on the two sky bridges that will be built five stories above the playing floor as part of the $850 million inside-out reconstruction of the "World's Most Famous Arena."
"This is our signature element. It will be a unique experience in sports and entertainment," Hank Ratner, CEO of Madison Square Garden, told The Post.
Rather than merely renovate the Garden, the project, funded without a dime in taxpayer subsidies, calls for building an entirely new arena in the shell of the 1968 building, he said.

HIGH CHAIRS: Fans will be able to look out over the action from two bridges planned as part of the four-year Madison Square Garden renovation.

"This gives us the best of both worlds. We keep what's iconic -- the exterior and the famous ceiling -- and create a whole new building," Ratner said.
Construction will start in earnest on June 14 and go through several phases over the next four years, moving from the bottom up. The work, which will not disrupt the Knicks or Rangers seasons, will occur mostly in summer.
After conducting focus groups with fans, MSG officials found that the biggest complaints were over the arena's lobby, its narrow concourses, the limited food choices, the lack of bathrooms, and the poor sightlines at the higher levels, Ratner said.
"We gave the whole list to our architects," he said.
One longtime complaint about the Garden is that the building gives no sense of its location in the heart of Manhattan.
By moving out most of the office space, the revamp will turn the somewhat claustrophobic lower concourse into a wide thoroughfare with city views, shopping and high-end dining options.
This concourse will pay homage to the Garden's history, with tributes to Knicks and Rangers championships to such landmark events as the Ali-Frazier fight.
Also, as part of the first phase, to be completed for the 2011-12 seasons, is the addition of 20 "event-level" suites. Located below courtside and featuring kitchens, bathrooms, fireplaces and dining rooms "nicer than most apartments in Manhattan," the suites lead up to the best seats in the house.
The following year, the arena's upper bowl will be redone.
The new seats will all be more plush, and the angle of the bowl's incline will be increased 17 degrees to bring fans closer to the action.
This phase will include the addition of 58 "lower-level suites," which would be larger and closer to the action than the ones in the current Garden.
The sky bridges and new lobby are set to be completed for the 2013-14 seasons, along with a party deck on the 10th floor and remodeled upper-level suites.
Pricing has not been set for the sky bridges, but the courtside suites reportedly sold for upward of $1 million.


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Don't we already have a thread on this arena? If it's merged into the existing MSG thread, this post here should be deleted.

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I couldnt find it...but please mods if u find it merge it!

A construction camera is now available. The lower bowl is being rebuilt. There were supposed to be 20 event level suites, yet I only see six of them. (Six entryways (if that's the right word) carved into the lower tier).

Released on the revised MSG Transformation website are:
10th Floor West Balcony (2012)
8th Floor Garden Concourse Viewing Area (2012)
New Event Level Suites
Knicks Locker Room
New Delta SKY360° Club
Refurbished Lower Bowl
Expanded 6th Floor Madison Concourse (2012)

There may be more suites than alcoves depending on final layout, kind of like the sideline field level suites at Cowboys stadium

As long as this reno is Raptor proof !

A construction camera is now available. The lower bowl is being rebuilt. There were supposed to be 20 event level suites, yet I only see six of them. (Six entryways (if that's the right word) carved into the lower tier).

Released on the revised MSG Transformation website are:
10th Floor West Balcony (2012)
8th Floor Garden Concourse Viewing Area (2012)
New Event Level Suites
Knicks Locker Room
New Delta SKY360° Club
Refurbished Lower Bowl
Expanded 6th Floor Madison Concourse (2012)

Maybe not every suite has its own stairs.

The Garden should change that annoying organ or phase it out since they've already started renovating.

that was the sound of the game, if people don't like it because of that annoying sound of organ maybe people watch a football game or soccer or baseball at no sounds of a basketball

Well, baseball and football (professional) have their canned noise they blast in from speakers. I'm not fond of them, either. Soccer I can tolerate more, as they've essentially followed the tradition of fans being the ones responsible to make noise. Of course, it's just a generalized opinion. I don't have time to go into specifics.

Anyway, it's good that they're getting rid of those boxes right above the concourse (shown in that last video).

that was the sound of the game, if people don't like it because of that annoying sound of organ maybe people watch a football game or soccer or baseball at no sounds of a basketball
baseball is where organ music at sporting events started

All I think of when I hear organ music is 1980s hockey.

baseball is where organ music at sporting events started

And NHL 94 perfected the art.

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I guess if he was a Rangers fan his dictation would be a step up.....

Today

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Man this was a definitely needed renovation, the concourse is always cramped,and no room to move. And I hope they get a new jumbotron.

Man this was a definitely needed renovation, the concourse is always cramped,and no room to move. And I hope they get a new jumbotron.

Didn't need a 100% overhaul.... Concourses definitely.....

Does anyone know what the actual seat colors will be? The seats in the photo above look black, but some renderings have them as royal blue.

Anything is better than the purple and teal.

Didn't need a 100% overhaul.... Concourses definitely.....
Dolans probably wanted to add more luxury suites. More profit that way.

Dolans probably wanted to add more luxury suites. More profit that way.

Of course... That's how things roll...

Any further updates on those silly bridges?

Any further updates on those silly bridges?

According to previous reports, they aren't supposed to be added until prior to the 2013-2014 season. Hopefully it's enough time for them to reconsider. :ohno:

Hopefully!

Why were those bridges even proposed anyway? And they are reconsidering nothing in the renovation plan.

Why were those bridges even proposed anyway? And they are reconsidering nothing in the renovation plan.

Cause some people like to waste $ and force other people to spend $ they don't really want to spend.

And about the bridges, whose idea was this? That idea was really original and has never been tried before in any other indoor arena. Only upper-middle-class citizens would want to stand in those bridges during events held at MSG.

And about the bridges, whose idea was this? That idea was really original and has never been tried before in any other indoor arena. Only upper-middle-class citizens would want to stand in those bridges during events held at MSG.

I just want cheap standing room tickets for Rangers games at MSG.

And about the bridges, whose idea was this? That idea was really original and has never been tried before in any other indoor arena. Only upper-middle-class citizens would want to stand in those bridges during events held at MSG.

You mean the poorest fans that will be able to afford to go to games when their new ticket prices come out?

Yipee! :-P

Seven weeks away from re-opening.

Any updates?

Seven weeks away from re-opening.

Any updates?

http://bluelinestation.com/2011/08/30/bluelines-for-blueshirts-august-30th-msg-renovation-update/

^^

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This is looking like a 15-16k arena :ohno:

yeah did they make the capacity smaller? i doubt it... i think NBA requires at least 19k seats...

The pics of the old Penn Station must be the most infamous example of municipal vandalism known to man. A spell in Ryker's should have been the outcome for the genius(es) who dreamt up the idea.

^^

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:cheers:

The roof is just the best. :drool: So much better than a normal arena roof, which is usually a mass of exposed steel work, ducting and numerous other things.

The pics of the old Penn Station must be the most infamous example of municipal vandalism known to man. A spell in Ryker's should have been the outcome for the genius(es) who dreamt up the idea.

Allen J. Greenough (1960 –1968 )

And....

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_T._Saunders

This is looking like a 15-16k arena :ohno:
capacity will probably be around 18k once the new seating areas are installed

yeah did they make the capacity smaller? i doubt it... i think NBA requires at least 19k seats...
18k

Big media event there today. Lots of pictures.

http://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/19/touring-the-renovated-garden-to-be-continued/

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20111019/REAL_ESTATE/111019845

Event level seats

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6160/6261465076_c2a77e3d80_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/6261465076/)
eventlevelseatsMSG (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/6261465076/) by curbed (http://www.flickr.com/people/curbed/), on Flickr

Jean Georges concession

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6166/6260939027_44b31943f6_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/6260939027/)
jeangeorgesconcessionMSG (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/6260939027/) by curbed (http://www.flickr.com/people/curbed/), on Flickr

MSG catwalks rendering

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6155/6260939089_eefa58c17f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/6260939089/)
MSGcatwalks (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/6260939089/) by curbed (http://www.flickr.com/people/curbed/), on Flickr

Site of skybridges

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6046/6261465146_0f9e1aa812_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/6261465146/)
siteofskybridgesMSG (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/6261465146/) by curbed (http://www.flickr.com/people/curbed/), on Flickr

Delta Sky 360 Club

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6166/6261465196_cb4174f68c_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/6261465196/)
deltaclubMSG (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/6261465196/) by curbed (http://www.flickr.com/people/curbed/), on Flickr

Lower bowl

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6219/6261465224_15a45a4256_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/6261465224/)
lowerbowlMSG (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/6261465224/) by curbed (http://www.flickr.com/people/curbed/), on Flickr

West balcony MSG

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6035/6260939187_64eb23edef_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/6260939187/)
westbalconyMSG (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/6260939187/) by curbed (http://www.flickr.com/people/curbed/), on Flickr

Those banners should be ironed.

I'd be happy with a $25 standing room section........

^^

So what do you guys think of your new MSG! Has anyone had a go!
I'like quite a lot, this wood ceiling is out of this world,
But were the panoramic bridges really necessary?!
Overall it looks considerably smaller now, was it the effect they wanted to create!?

The pics of the old Penn Station must be the most infamous example of municipal vandalism known to man. A spell in Ryker's should have been the outcome for the genius(es) who dreamt up the idea.

I didn't know about the old Penn Station but I did check out the Wikipedia page. What a waste. It actually made me mad. I can't believe they tore this down...

http://i.imgur.com/QXNY0.jpg

I didn't know about the old Penn Station but I did check out the Wikipedia page. What a waste. It actually made me mad. I can't believe they tore this down...

http://i.imgur.com/QXNY0.jpg


Criminal!

Madison square garden looks the same with today's bocing bout between narvaez and donaire

Madison square garden looks the same with today's bocing bout between narvaez and donaire

That was at the Theater.

So what do you guys think of your new MSG! Has anyone had a go!
I'like quite a lot, this wood ceiling is out of this world,
But were the panoramic bridges really necessary?!
Overall it looks considerably smaller now, was it the effect they wanted to create!?

I hate it. All I care about is my ticket price.... Which is skyrocketing.....

I just want a standing room section with cheap tickets.....

At MSG right now.

Pictures to follow......

^^ We're still waiting :)

So does this get moved back to 'completed' for the season, and moved back to 'under construction' after the season ends?

So does this get moved back to 'completed' for the season, and moved back to 'under construction' after the season ends?

MSG is still under construction.... To early to move. My pictures didn't come out well. Stupid flash....

^^ How many beers stopped the Flash Working ?

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarashnat/6290416759/

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is this the inside of the newly renovated MSG? or just a few years ago?

is this the inside of the newly renovated MSG? or just a few years ago?

Those pics were taken this week.

ok,so, this is the latest one, is that the led display with the purple one?

thank you anyway

This dude has a bunch of videos on his Youtube channel.

http://www.youtube.com/user/NYsportswriter#p/u/1/B4agt136TM0

^^ How many beers stopped the Flash Working ?

Just my own stupidity. sorry.

Interesting view ..........

http://rangers.nhl.com/v2/ext/fancam/index.htm

Madison Square Garden, often abbreviated as MSG and known colloquially as The Garden, is a multi-purpose indoor arena (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena) in the New York City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City) borough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borough_%28New_York_City%29) of Manhattan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan) and located at 8th Avenue, between 31st and 33rd Streets, situated on top of Pennsylvania Station (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Station_%28New_York_City%29).
Opened on February 11, 1968, it is the longest active major sporting facility in the New York metropolitan area (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area), and is the fourth incarnation of the arena in the city. One Penn Plaza (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Penn_Plaza) stands at its side. Several other operating entities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Square_Garden_%28disambiguation%29) related to the venue share its name.

Interesting view ..........

http://rangers.nhl.com/v2/ext/fancam/index.htm

Looks smaller than before.

Looks smaller than before.

Hmmm...

Capacity?

Does Madison Square Garden have permanent merchandise shops for the Knicks and the Rangers?
If so, are these always open when the arena is open or only during games (Knicks Store open on Knicks Game Day etc.)

Does Madison Square Garden have permanent merchandise shops for the Knicks and the Rangers?
If so, are these always open when the arena is open or only during games (Knicks Store open on Knicks Game Day etc.)

The shop changes depending on the event. On knicks day the shoppes are all NBA and Knicks gear. On Rangers games the shoppes are mostly Rangers with Knicks gear still available. On concerts or other events I imagine the shoppes will cater to the event at hand with a sprinkling of Knicks stuff available.

Some of the newer eateries are supposedly opening this month in the renovated concourse.

From what I hear they tore down the lower ring and rebuilt it, making the viewing angle much steeper so that you feel like you're on top of the action.

Also, it seems like the corridor/tunnel from the locker rooms were removed and moved to the goal ends of the court, which kind of helps in basketball but hurts the hockey experience-- fewer seats behind the glass, because they have to have walkways to where the hockey teams sit.

And I guess for basketball purists and historians, that's kind of sacrilegious because they tore down one of the iconic parts of the Garden... the old corridor where Willis Reed came out for his dramatic game 7 return that inspired the team to win its first NBA championship, seen here:
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incredibly no leaks lately, looking forward how it will look today.

incredibly no leaks lately, looking forward how it will look today.

Leaks? The NHL season opened in the Garden almost 3 months ago.

No one has posted new photos?