Tirana 2006 [Archive] - Page 2

IlliricumSacrum

April 19th, 2006, 03:45 PM

The main problem with Tirana reagards informal areas. With the most guly villas ever, with no access to public services, with a population that resists integration in the city life and above all, with a population wich has no respect to the law (otherwise they would not be there at all) some of the ugliest scenes in Europe can be seen. Now all of this will be legalized, which means that these people will be able to keep their homes without paying the legal owners, but thats a different discussion.

You can see beautiful pics of Tirana and ugly pictures of Tirana. Most beautiful pics are taken from the urbanized areas. The ugly ones are taken from the informal areas. What will happen? Will Tirana do anything to transform these areas and include them in the city transformation? No. We will legalize them because politicians want to be voted.

So as long as you are around the center and along the main streets you will see more of this:

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/8967/unbenannt323fw.jpg

Once you move to the informal areas you will see this:

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/249/bathore20gk.jpg

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/3451/bathore3dl.jpg

Commmies destroyed many of the beautiful historical parts of the city. We could live with that. We are trying to correct them at some level. After the '90s we had favelas developing, recently we signed Tirana's destiny with legalizing such awful neighbourhoods. I love how Tirana looks along the main streets, within the old yellow line, Kavaja street, Myslim Shyri street, Durresi street and so on... but unfortunately half of the city is outside the old yellow line which divided the urban from the rural areas in the past.

lakerdar123

April 20th, 2006, 12:09 AM

i've never seen these pics before

http://i3.tinypic.com/vyleae.jpg
http://i3.tinypic.com/vylfnk.jpg
awww so cute
http://i3.tinypic.com/vylfsl.jpg
http://i3.tinypic.com/vylg1g.jpg
http://i3.tinypic.com/vylg7n.jpg
http://i3.tinypic.com/vylgcy.jpg

genci888

April 20th, 2006, 12:41 AM

Once you move to the informal areas you will see this:

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/249/bathore20gk.jpg

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/3451/bathore3dl.jpg

Commmies destroyed many of the beautiful historical parts of the city. We could live with that. We are trying to correct them at some level. After the '90s we had favelas developing, recently we signed Tirana's destiny with legalizing such awful neighbourhoods. I love how Tirana looks along the main streets, within the old yellow line, Kavaja street, Myslim Shyri street, Durresi street and so on... but unfortunately half of the city is outside the old yellow line which divided the urban from the rural areas in the past.

Bathore is a sad place indeed. :(

However, what do you think should have happened? Legalization was inevitable, since all those illegal and ugly buildings were housing a lot of people. Sending them back was just not possible. I am not defending them, since I don't like it that they have invaded Tirana and developed the city's favelas, but they are just too many.

Kinda the same as the USA. They are proposing to legalize all Mexican immigrants who entered the country illegaly before 2004.

IlliricumSacrum

April 20th, 2006, 04:21 PM

Bathore is a sad place indeed. :(

However, what do you think should have happened? Legalization was inevitable, since all those illegal and ugly buildings were housing a lot of people. Sending them back was just not possible. I am not defending them, since I don't like it that they have invaded Tirana and developed the city's favelas, but they are just too many.

Kinda the same as the USA. They are proposing to legalize all Mexican immigrants who entered the country illegaly before 2004.

I have a different opinion on that. First of all they did not invade Tirana but private properties of the legitimate owners of that land.

Second there was a solution:

1. Urban planning ignoring the illegal buildings. With this I mean that teh urban planing process would not involve the legalization of any of the buildings thus opening the way to their destruction.

2. Conduct negotiations with construction companies (CC). CC would carry on the development of the area by building mid/highrises. People whose illegal house was destroyed would buy an appartment in this buildings with soft loans which the government would guarantee for. This people could pay the house in 30 years, but they would pay it. In the mean time legal owners would be paid by the CC for the land with the current land price.

Result:

A legal, constitutional solution

People that have illegal houses would have legal ones.

Legal owners are paid, solving a big problem.

Taxpayers do not have to buy these people homes through they taxes.

Your example regarding Mexican in the US is a different issue. I don't think that invading someones private property is tolerable in the US at all.

It is not just Bathore, it is half of the city now.

artantirana

April 20th, 2006, 04:22 PM

Finally we have some more detailed pictures of Albanian cities in Google Earth. However I don't understand why some close - ups include only half the area of some cities (Elbasan for example), or do not include them at all (Pogradec), while in meantime there is detailed info on some villages with 3 or 4 constructions.

Let's hope more info will be avaible soon.

This is the first time I post in this forum and it's really interesting getting in touch with the latest developments.

lakerdar123

April 20th, 2006, 04:29 PM

hey mire se erdhet artan :wave:

Gështenja

April 20th, 2006, 04:33 PM

Can someone post some google earth images of Tirana?

lakerdar123

April 20th, 2006, 04:42 PM

http://i3.tinypic.com/vzhve0.jpg
http://i3.tinypic.com/vzhvme.jpg

IlliricumSacrum

April 20th, 2006, 05:32 PM

Lakerdar, are there any good satellite pics of Rinas airport in Google earth? It would be great to have one around.

MIMICA

April 20th, 2006, 10:37 PM

Is it just me or does Tirana look unorgranized in some parts?

Pavlo

April 20th, 2006, 10:46 PM

What interests me the most is Albania's railways network. Now I know it's in a very bad condition I read somewhere that the top speed on the rails is around 40km/h (can someone confirm this?). Now, what was the railways network like during the communist times? Was it the same as now?

lakerdar123

April 20th, 2006, 10:53 PM

i wouldn't know about communist times but i do remember in the very early 90's the railway systems seemed good to me. I would take the train from Lezhe to Shkoder (30km). the stations seemed nice but i believe now it's all shitty.

thebackdoorman

April 21st, 2006, 12:01 AM

I have a different opinion on that. First of all they did not invade Tirana but private properties of the legitimate owners of that land.
The legitimacy of land ownership in Albania is higly debated considering that there was 50 years without private property. I do not think the land invaded was bought after the 1990's. Moreover, there are no real statistics that I am aware of showing what percentage of the land "invaded" actually had owners, and what percentage did not. Not to mention that there have been cases of contradicting statements when it comes to ownership.
Second there was a solution:

1. Urban planning ignoring the illegal buildings. With this I mean that teh urban planing process would not involve the legalization of any of the buildings thus opening the way to their destruction..
Urban planning has nothing to do with their legalization, and as far as I know, the only comprehensive study unfortunately has been only of the central area, which is in itself dissapointing considering that a city is more about movement, reather than stable conditions, thus you cannot treat the center as a separate entity from the surrounding area. The plans on the Tirana municipality website are rather vague, showing only pictures. Ultimately, though, the idea about urban planning in not to ignore problems but solve them, thus it does not make sense to talk about urban planning ignoring things.

2. Conduct negotiations with construction companies (CC). CC would carry on the development of the area by building mid/highrises. People whose illegal house was destroyed would buy an appartment in this buildings with soft loans which the government would guarantee for. This people could pay the house in 30 years, but they would pay it. In the mean time legal owners would be paid by the CC for the land with the current land price.
I wish things in reality were as easy as that. Do the CC have enough money to pay the legal owners, construct, and still make profit? If they do, is it necessarily right to give them so much power, considering the role that they have played until now in the city (Tajvan center a perfect example of them building something against the interest of the people, turining a whole park into a backyard), the money that they make often on towers that are semi-legal and in earlier years, sometimes unsafe, and also when you consider that the same people that owe the CC owe the media (kokedhima for example owes shekulli, spekter, other newspapers, TV media, and of course his construction company. How fair will they be to the current Bathore citizens in prices and all that sort of thing. Just you saying that the CC companies will pay for construction and the legal owners, imply a tremendiously high cost for the current Bathore citizens, not to mention CC profits, and interest. The CC profits by the way have to be larger than opportunities that might be provided in other places, like towers in the centre, and infrastructure. Good luck with that.
Moreover, just because you say so, it does not mean that the citizens of Bathore will agree to the plan, and they are citizens of the country just as much as you and me.

Result:

A legal, constitutional solution

People that have illegal houses would have legal ones.

Legal owners are paid, solving a big problem.

Taxpayers do not have to buy these people homes through they taxes.

Your example regarding Mexican in the US is a different issue. I don't think that invading someones private property is tolerable in the US at all.

It is not just Bathore, it is half of the city now.
Result:
First, it is almost impossible for that to happen without coercion.

If it happens, you will have an indebted, isolated underclass, living in seaprate communities. Insititutionalized "favelas", or maybe the kind of housing projects found in the suburbs of Paris and inner cities of US. Cities are about mingling of people not about their separation.

Ugly mass-produced housing, typical of Amercian suburbs but made of brick this time, that will become an eyesore for the whole city. (Of course this might not be such a big problem considering the separation that will be created)

Taxpayers will have to pay much more, considering that it is more likely that the CC compoanies will refuse to pay the full price to current owners considering that they seem to be making the city a favor. Not to mention that they might also ask for money as a guarantee do that the new owners will actually pay back. Not to mention that the infrastructure will probably still have to be paid by the city since this is not going to be a millionaire's resort where people would be throwing money around as if nothing.

In the end, cities are about mingling of people not about their separation. We have seen all too well what happens in the ghettos of Paris, and American cities. Maybe the solution to the problem comes when you identify the reasons why the problem exists there in the first place (d'uh, abject poverty), and instead of trying to fix the city though aesthetic means (d'uh, let construction companies build boring boxes in large areas), we actually look for more social means: first by stopping treating this people as animals, or pathological human beings, by ending discrimination, by providing education (and not the kind that will make them good slave laborers, but the kind they might desire). That will not only cost less in the long time, but might even be profitable.
If you look at modern management of areas by BIDs (business improvement distrcits), organizations which I personally desepise considering that they tend to be bery controlling, middle-class minded, and their resutls often are gentrification; even they though are aware that the way you built the right environment is by putting abnormal people among normal people. If you feel like urinating in the sidewalks, you might do it by the tree in your village, but not in Times Squae, or Champs Elysse, where no one is doing it. What do you think though such a separation will lead too, poor northen people with the funny dialect "maloket" in CC owned large areas amid abject poverty and forgotten by the gov., probably with a police station every block, and the rest in the normal part of the city. Imagione the conflicts. Don't you think thaT will create greater instability than the current situation, and that it is by far more unfair.

IlliricumSacrum

April 21st, 2006, 03:54 PM

IlliricumSacrum

April 21st, 2006, 04:03 PM

To make things more clear, the areas inside the red line are where most the pics here are taken from. The areas outside the red line are mostly informal areas and places where hardly any of us would want to take pics in. It feels better to ignore potential problems then to confront them some times.

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/8138/vzhvme3on.jpg

thebackdoorman

April 21st, 2006, 11:37 PM

thebackdoorman, I read your post carefully, and trust me I would like to be as tolerant as you. I am not.

First because there was private property in Albania and that is perfectly documented. Before agrar reform of the communist Albanians traded property by principles of a free economy. They either heired it, bought it or recieved it in donation. The agrar reform was a shame. We decied to correct that. We would give people back the property their parents bought. The first issue is how do we make this happen?

The legalization process is directly linked with the property compensation and return law and land property is directly connected with urban planning in the very first moment this areas intened to become integrated to the city.

As honest citizens of this country, with equal rights and duties to other citizens, my family in 1993 decided to stay in their hardly gained appartment of only 59m². We did not built in other people land. We stayed in the property we bought through the privatization process. We respected the law as good citizens of this country. On the other hand, irresponsable people, with no respect to the law and other citizens, decided to build villas in other people lands. They never asked for permision. They never respected the law. They built a shit hole in Tirana which transformed the red roofed city into little Africa of Europe. In their way they brought in cows and sheeps and decided to make half the city a village. Now legal owners want the money for that land. This people do no want to pay for it. But someone will have to pay the 3 billion $ bill for the land owners. This law penalized us, decent citizens of this country, who will have to pay taxes in order to buy the land this illegal residents built their villas in. Why should I pay to buy these people their homes? Why should I be penalized for respecting the law and why should people who did not respect it be rewarded?

These people broke the law. These people should at least pay for the land their in. After all I am not the one using it. They are. They use it, they pay for it.

Besides the beautiful pics posted here, there is half a city that looks like Africa inhabited by people with no respect to the law which brought a taste of the middle ages to the capital. When a non Albanian forumer sees these pics, what he sees is downtown Tirana. How about we see what Bathore, Allias, Lapraka, Kamza look like? It is freaking desperate.

Do I want to live in a city of facades, or a real beautiful or at least livable city? I choose the second. I don't want more then half my country's capital built in ugly favellas.

I do not think you read my post carefully considering that your response barely had anything to do with what I wrote. Your genius proposed a solution to the problem and the greatest part of my thread was about how wrong that solution was. I did not get into melodramatics about buying house honestly ande other people stealiong it from me, neither did I go into the old prejudices of maloket turned the European pearl into an African jungle. You did not in any sense defend your plan for solving the problem, which is where my focus stands.

Now, as for land ownership in Albania, it existed before communism, but just by looking at the breaking up of the families it is a highly contested matter, not to mention that in many cases different people have provided documents for the same place. Not to also mention that the distribution of land in pre-communist Albania was highly unfair, and it is one of the reasons while in some articles the system of Albania before the communist age is described as feudalist.

Now as for your poor family which honestly, abiding the law, decided to stay on their hard-earned apartment, it is good for them. You talk as if the law is sacred, and you should from the communist experience, and that apply that knowledge to the post-communist period, that often laws are there to help control the dominating classes, be they bureaucrats, tyrants, land-owners, or capitalists. You should also know that when one is hungy, he does not see law. The people who made that decision did not make it because they are innately evil, this was a better opportunity for them, a chance for a better life. What they built, is not villas (as you claim on your response, while at the same time you also call them slums, and African, very open-minded of a UN worker), however a shithole. Imagine however what their previous conditions were to actually move in this shithole, and be at the same time against the power of the state, and also hated by the noble Tiranians.

Your family could feed your mouth in that 59m2 appartment, but and the people there did not get any better places than what they originally had. You yourself call most of the times the place slums, not to mention the uncertainty they are under when their are considered illegal. The reason why these people moved to Tirana is not for m2 but for jobs, and I am sure if your family were without any sort of income, then they would have done anything to feed you.

IlliricumSacrum

April 22nd, 2006, 03:09 PM

I do not think you read my post carefully considering that your response barely had anything to do with what I wrote. Your genius proposed a solution to the problem and the greatest part of my thread was about how wrong that solution was. I did not get into melodramatics about buying house honestly ande other people stealiong it from me, neither did I go into the old prejudices of maloket turned the European pearl into an African jungle. You did not in any sense defend your plan for solving the problem, which is where my focus stands.

Now, as for land ownership in Albania, it existed before communism, but just by looking at the breaking up of the families it is a highly contested matter, not to mention that in many cases different people have provided documents for the same place. Not to also mention that the distribution of land in pre-communist Albania was highly unfair, and it is one of the reasons while in some articles the system of Albania before the communist age is described as feudalist.

Now as for your poor family which honestly, abiding the law, decided to stay on their hard-earned apartment, it is good for them. You talk as if the law is sacred, and you should from the communist experience, and that apply that knowledge to the post-communist period, that often laws are there to help control the dominating classes, be they bureaucrats, tyrants, land-owners, or capitalists. You should also know that when one is hungy, he does not see law. The people who made that decision did not make it because they are innately evil, this was a better opportunity for them, a chance for a better life. What they built, is not villas (as you claim on your response, while at the same time you also call them slums, and African, very open-minded of a UN worker), however a shithole. Imagine however what their previous conditions were to actually move in this shithole, and be at the same time against the power of the state, and also hated by the noble Tiranians.

Your family could feed your mouth in that 59m2 appartment, but and the people there did not get any better places than what they originally had. You yourself call most of the times the place slums, not to mention the uncertainty they are under when their are considered illegal. The reason why these people moved to Tirana is not for m2 but for jobs, and I am sure if your family were without any sort of income, then they would have done anything to feed you.

You have a natural predisposition to contradict my statements. However, I did read your first post and I did read your second one. Some moments cought my attention though:

"You talk as if the law is sacred,..."

Indeed I do and I am proud of that. I am proud to defend the only law in the Republic of Albania which the citizens of this country voted directly. The Constitution of the Republic of Albania is sacred. Expropriations can only happen under important public interests and public interest in my view is not rewarding people that violate the law. However, expropriations require a fair compensation. Until land owners are paid there can be no legalization process because the state is expropriating these people with no guarantees of compensation.

Article 41

1. The right of private property is guaranteed.

2. Property may be gained by gift, inheritance, purchase, or any other classical means provided by the Civil Code.

3. The law may provide for expropriations or limitations in the exercise of a property right only for public interests.

4. The expropriations or limitations of a property right that are equivalent to expropriation are permitted only against fair compensation.

Since I know you will hang to point 4 of this article I decided to provide the regulatory article for that found in the Civil Code of the Republic of Albania:

Article 153

[/b]Nobody can be deprived fully or partly of the ownership of their object[/b], except when that property is required for legal public needs, and always with full and preliminary compensation.

The solution I defend is legal. The one you defend is illegal. I need no other support to my arguments.

As for your other statements:

as you claim on your response, while at the same time you also call them slums, and African, very open-minded of a UN worker

First and most important, I did not call them Africans. I said they created little Africa in Tirana. By that I mean that the area is mostly rural and therefore at its present state it can never be integrated into the city. I have nothing against Africans, however I think that most parts of Africa offer poor underdeveloped rural views, which are ugly and in that there is no discrimination.

There is only one substantial argument where we disagree, and that is respect for the law. I do think that respect for the law is mandatory. You think that respect for the law is optional. No matter what discussion relevant to the law you and I discuss it will always be the same as there is no way we can agree.

The sad thing however is that some Albanians looking at some Blloku pics in Tirana can lie themselves well enough to ingore the situation. I am not one of them.

thebackdoorman

April 22nd, 2006, 08:26 PM

PhillyPhilly90

April 22nd, 2006, 08:43 PM

Gështenja

April 22nd, 2006, 08:47 PM

I agree and welcome to this part of the forum;)
Albanians tend to become too pesimistic sometimes, it's a normal thing:D
I live 30 minutes from Philly by the way, there's a huge albanian community in the city of Brotherly Love.
They even got a local radio station there, Albphilly.com;), and i heard a school in albanian language too, am i right?

thebackdoorman

April 22nd, 2006, 08:53 PM

As for your other statements:

as you claim on your response, while at the same time you also call them slums, and African, very open-minded of a UN worker

First and most important, I did not call them Africans. I said they created little Africa in Tirana. By that I mean that the area is mostly rural and therefore at its present state it can never be integrated into the city. I have nothing against Africans, however I think that most parts of Africa offer poor underdeveloped rural views, which are ugly and in that there is no discrimination.

There is only one substantial argument where we disagree, and that is respect for the law. I do think that respect for the law is mandatory. You think that respect for the law is optional. No matter what discussion relevant to the law you and I discuss it will always be the same as there is no way we can agree.

The sad thing however is that some Albanians looking at some Blloku pics in Tirana can lie themselves well enough to ingore the situation. I am not one of them.[/QUOTE]

Well, saying that they created a little Africa in Tirana assumes that Africa is inferior to us, and that somehow a certain group of our people have embarased as by making us look like Africa. If you read any postcolonialist critiques of european literature, you see them that their attention is even greater toward texts that claim to fight imperialism and autocracy, like Conrad for example. The problem there was of course that Conrad while claiming to fight imperialism, provided an image of Africa based on separation, as if they are a different species. The problem often becomes that people, without knowing the thing, place a name, and that name becomes the thing. You for example are willing to neglect or the diversities of Africa, in order to use the African adjective, and in your sentence what Africa actually is ceases to be the conglomeration of areas and relationships where it lies, but what your adjective has been made to imply through hegemony, namely inferiority or backwardness or something around that sort (rurality in this particular case though many countries in Africa have higher urbanization rates than Albania, or they would if it was not for the malok that flooded our cities). Even Conrad, as much as he was against imperialism, in his novels, somehow Africa had an essence completely separate to that of Europe. How that happens considering that Greece and Albania are placed in categories with countries like Norway, while Egypt and Sudan with countries like South Africa is rather absurd considering that Greece and Albania have had much closer relatiuonships with Egypt than with Norway. Yet again though, the name, African, European, Asian becomes the thing, and people believe that Greece and Irelad are in no doubt European and closer to each other in this way even though it is Asian Turkey that shares a border with GReece.

IlliricumSacrum

April 22nd, 2006, 09:12 PM

Well, you have the tendency to pick a single sentence out of the whole thread in order to make a point. Read the whole thing not out of context.
As I told you, the solution you provided, as legal as it looks in your eyes, does not work and is not fair for the reasons I mentioned above. That of course has been totally ignored in order to focus in yout family and the sacredness of the law.
As for how sacred the law is, I told you that the reason why these people moved to Tirana is not to increase the sqaure area of their properties, but jobs (in my opinion, as I mentioned above it is here where problem and solution lies, not on how badlooking the areas have become). It is that the reasons why your family did not move out of their 59m2 appartment, and this people moved out of their 65m2 to villas (as you call them when it interests you) or favelas (when it interests you this way) without water and electricity. Yes, that is illegal, but in their situation doing such an action, which by the way is one of the least bad things to do in the illegal category (they did not murder, destroy or anything, they just built an habitad in areas with contested owneship since their former ones did not provide the economic resources to survive), in my eyes is justifiable. I think human beings are more sacred than the law, and when Albanian immigrants illegaly went to Greece and Italy in 1997, or when Albanian Kosovar immigrants illegaly since they had no Albanian citizenship came to Albania, or when NATO bombed Serbia, I did not go with the side of those who held on a piece of paper while people were dying.
Now as for your statement of me having a natural predisposition to contradict your statements, you should not flatter youself so much. I do on the other hand find them rather annoying, for they have an unattractive mixture of confidence and ignorance. Here we have a problem that plagues the capital, and you think you solved it in one hundred words. And here we have somebody who talks about laws and international morality, yet expects other people naturally to go through humiliations that himself cannot even completely imagine.

I focused only on the law and brought my family as an example of the thousands of people who respected the law.

We live in a parliamentary democracy. The concept of fairness is defined by law. That what is fair is legal. The constitution leaves no room for mistake and that was voted by the citizens of this country. In order to move to a developed society we need to respect the law. With our vote for the constitution we signed an agreement with each other and all the governments, where we established the rules that would rule our life, until by voting we change them.

Tirana is changing, that's right. This however implies only to the areas inside the old yellow line dividing rural and urban Tirana. The change most of us talk about here, the colors, the roads, the towers, is more or less only about the downtown area.

I did not pretend to solve the problem. I expressed my opinion of what would have been better. You disagree with that because you support illegal solutions, but that to your personal opnion are fair.

No matter how cynical that may sound to you, I do not give a damn about these people living conditions. There are poor people everywhere. That is no justification to break the law. If you ask me I would support a repatriation of all illegal imigrants. They are we cannot have freedom of movement today and major contribution to the bad image we have in Europe.

People made laws to avoid living in chaos. This expropriation reform is setting a dangerous precedent to the stability of the state. I am not the only one saying this. Many civil organizations in Albania have raised their voice against this. I do not even care to imagine their living conditions. There are jobs in Albania. People refute to work. Buy a damn newspaper and you will find hundreds of them posted everyday. These people do not have the qualifications they need because as they ignore the law, they ingore education for their children. Many of these people send their children to sell cigaretes. They are the sole contribution to the economical exploitation of children in Albania.

To conclude, I do not care at all. I repeat. AT ALL, about what this people living conditions are. Being poor is no grounds for breaking the law. With this precedent in no time we would have people trying to justify robberies with economical conditions. After all some really poor stealing from someone really reach is not a person whom is fair punishing. He is poor. Yeah right...

IlliricumSacrum

April 22nd, 2006, 09:15 PM

As for your other statements:

as you claim on your response, while at the same time you also call them slums, and African, very open-minded of a UN worker

First and most important, I did not call them Africans. I said they created little Africa in Tirana. By that I mean that the area is mostly rural and therefore at its present state it can never be integrated into the city. I have nothing against Africans, however I think that most parts of Africa offer poor underdeveloped rural views, which are ugly and in that there is no discrimination.

There is only one substantial argument where we disagree, and that is respect for the law. I do think that respect for the law is mandatory. You think that respect for the law is optional. No matter what discussion relevant to the law you and I discuss it will always be the same as there is no way we can agree.

The sad thing however is that some Albanians looking at some Blloku pics in Tirana can lie themselves well enough to ingore the situation. I am not one of them.

Well, saying that they created a little Africa in Tirana assumes that Africa is inferior to us, and that somehow a certain group of our people have embarased as by making us look like Africa. If you read any postcolonialist critiques of european literature, you see them that their attention is even greater toward texts that claim to fight imperialism and autocracy, like Conrad for example. The problem there was of course that Conrad while claiming to fight imperialism, provided an image of Africa based on separation, as if they are a different species. The problem often becomes that people, without knowing the thing, place a name, and that name becomes the thing. You for example are willing to neglect or the diversities of Africa, in order to use the African adjective, and in your sentence what Africa actually is ceases to be the conglomeration of areas and relationships where it lies, but what your adjective has been made to imply through hegemony, namely inferiority or backwardness or something around that sort (rurality in this particular case though many countries in Africa have higher urbanization rates than Albania, or they would if it was not for the malok that flooded our cities). Even Conrad, as much as he was against imperialism, in his novels, somehow Africa had an essence completely separate to that of Europe. How that happens considering that Greece and Albania are placed in categories with countries like Norway, while Egypt and Sudan with countries like South Africa is rather absurd considering that Greece and Albania have had much closer relatiuonships with Egypt than with Norway. Yet again though, the name, African, European, Asian becomes the thing, and people believe that Greece and Irelad are in no doubt European and closer to each other in this way even though it is Asian Turkey that shares a border with GReece.

I did not say Africans are inferior to us. I stated what at its best could be internprented, by a man of sound logic, that most of Africa is inferior to us in terms of infrastructure and urbanization. If you do not get that, is because you do not want to.

IlliricumSacrum

April 22nd, 2006, 09:18 PM

I'm Albanian...and I live in Philadelphia. I moved in the US in 1997 and that was the last time I saw Tirana (even though I been to other parts of the country more recently). To me...Tirana seems to be improving alot compared to the past...and thier mayor won the world's best mayor for changing the city from ugly to not ugly. Even though Tirana has a lot of work to catch up the more wealthier cities...why can't you people say something good about it but rather focus on the negative issues? Tirana IS better than it was before.

Welcome to the forum!

Tirana is improving within the red line in the pic I posted. It is becoming a very nice city. If you live within that line, when you get there, you will see a lot of changes. Outside of that, Tirana is rural.

DanMs

April 23rd, 2006, 09:15 PM

What building is that on background??
http://www.tirana.gov.al/common/images/DSC05529m.jpg

thebackdoorman

April 24th, 2006, 05:57 AM

It looks nice.

thebackdoorman

April 24th, 2006, 06:19 AM

I think we overdid this, but sine I am really bored (work), so I will continue.

I focused only on the law and brought my family as an example of the thousands of people who respected the law.

We live in a parliamentary democracy. The concept of fairness is defined by law. That what is fair is legal. The constitution leaves no room for mistake and that was voted by the citizens of this country. In order to move to a developed society we need to respect the law. With our vote for the constitution we signed an agreement with each other and all the governments, where we established the rules that would rule our life, until by voting we change them.
Indeed, however, if the goverment, which is in the process now, decides to legalize the houses built there. Is that still fair considering that the newcomers will take over the houses of the owners?
Don't you think that there is a slight possibility, that even in constitutional democracies there are unfair laws, such as for example capital punishment, or denunciation of homosexuality. Don't you also think that in order for progress to happen, when has to look beyond laws, at what is truly fair and right. For example, the US although a constitutional democracy was the last western nation to drop slavery, and until 1950's had laws promoting racial discrimination.

Tirana is changing, that's right. This however implies only to the areas inside the old yellow line dividing rural and urban Tirana. The change most of us talk about here, the colors, the roads, the towers, is more or less only about the downtown area.
This is something I do not understand. The change is only inside the yellow line? Outside it is all the same? Anyway

I did not pretend to solve the problem. I expressed my opinion of what would have been better. You disagree with that because you support illegal solutions, but that to your personal opnion are fair.
I do not see how I support illegal solutions- I recognized that there is a problem there, waht I said is that in my eyes need justifies their decisions though. Instead of aesthetics though, I think the goverment should look for more meangful soltuions which lie in destratification and productive social programs. After all, as I have mentioned before, these people moved for jobs, not square meters.

No matter how cynical that may sound to you, I do not give a damn about these people living conditions. There are poor people everywhere. That is no justification to break the law. If you ask me I would support a repatriation of all illegal imigrants. They are we cannot have freedom of movement today and major contribution to the bad image we have in Europe.
At this point there is nothing which I can say. I think that even in democracies, judiciary bureacracies tend to become dehumanizing, and I also think human life is more sacred than law, you think differently.

People made laws to avoid living in chaos. This expropriation reform is setting a dangerous precedent to the stability of the state. I am not the only one saying this. Many civil organizations in Albania have raised their voice against this. I do not even care to imagine their living conditions. There are jobs in Albania. People refute to work. Buy a damn newspaper and you will find hundreds of them posted everyday. These people do not have the qualifications they need because as they ignore the law, they ingore education for their children. Many of these people send their children to sell cigaretes. They are the sole contribution to the economical exploitation of children in Albania.
Whether people made laws to avoid living in chaos, a more historci and anthropological look might give you a different insight. How the stability of the state is threatened by this, it is also something that I cannot understand. Will there be greater stability if we sent tanks and try to boot them out of the area? As for them refusing to work, well, at this point I think you have forgotten waht you are saying. Albania has one of the highest unemployment rates in Europe, and the reason why these people moved in these areas is jobs. How many jobs have you found in those daily newspapers in places like RReshen and Has? As for the exploitation of children in Albania, I do not see how the move back to Kukes movement will make it better?

To conclude, I do not care at all. I repeat. AT ALL, about what this people living conditions are. Being poor is no grounds for breaking the law. With this precedent in no time we would have people trying to justify robberies with economical conditions. After all some really poor stealing from someone really reach is not a person whom is fair punishing. He is poor. Yeah right...
Again, though these people are not bandits commiting robberies. They are families with children. Thier only crime is to immigrate in an empty lot of land (I have not heard cases of actual ownners being in that area and then being kicked out). And again what do you propose? Send them all too prison, husbands wives and children, or force them back to the Northeast, or maybe keep an army of homeless in the streets of Tirana?

IlliricumSacrum

April 24th, 2006, 01:17 PM

I think we overdid this, but sine I am really bored (work), so I will continue.

Of course we did. We are now in the psychological war of who will write the last post :D :jk:

Indeed, however, if the goverment, which is in the process now, decides to legalize the houses built there. Is that still fair considering that the newcomers will take over the houses of the owners?
Don't you think that there is a slight possibility, that even in constitutional democracies there are unfair laws, such as for example capital punishment, or denunciation of homosexuality. Don't you also think that in order for progress to happen, when has to look beyond laws, at what is truly fair and right. For example, the US although a constitutional democracy was the last western nation to drop slavery, and until 1950's had laws promoting racial discrimination.

The issue was (is) that the government considers the newcomers owners of their home, but considers the legal owners as owners of the land these homes were built in. Also, when you mention contensted ownerships, I have to say that in Tirana at least this is very rare since during the King Zog reign all of them were registered. The dilemma here is whether you can make someone owner of an object that is built over someones else recognized property. The answer to that is no, because the civil code says so in its section on property. Of course the law making process is a infinite one, since achieving the best is a continuing effort. Howver during this process there irriversible actions which definine the economic system a society chose to live in. We chose to live in a system of free/market economy the bases of which is private property. Conducting expropriations without prior compensation ignoring the constition is illegal and in the same time it is not right. Gay rights and capital punishment are different issues. Their opposition is founded on the principles of human rights. Expropriations are founded on violation for these rights.

This is something I do not understand. The change is only inside the yellow line? Outside it is all the same? Anyway

The yellow line is the border of the Tirana city before 1990 when the last urban plan was made. Areas inside this are are rapidly changing. The municipality has invested in roads, vegetations, public services, water pipes, sidewalks, street lights and a lot more. However there is hardly any investment outside the yellow line.

I do not see how I support illegal solutions- I recognized that there is a problem there, waht I said is that in my eyes need justifies their decisions though. Instead of aesthetics though, I think the goverment should look for more meangful soltuions which lie in destratification and productive social programs. After all, as I have mentioned before, these people moved for jobs, not square meters.

OK. But how do we address the legal owners compensation? Or are we just going to take their property and give them nothing. The bill to pay them is €3 billion. We cannot afford paying them. In the same time not paying them is not an option a man of sound logic and understanding of right and wrong coudl think of. The issue remains, why should I pay taxes to buy these people the land where they illegaly built their homes? After all nation wide the bill for this is around €3 billion. With that much money we can invest much more in infrastructure. This is the real issue. Why should people pay taxes for the private needs of other people? I can pay taxes for building shelters for poor people, but buying each one of them a home is a different issue.

At this point there is nothing which I can say. I think that even in democracies, judiciary bureacracies tend to become dehumanizing, and I also think human life is more sacred than law, you think differently.

We need to see the balance between the dehumanising aspect and the stabilizing/regulatory function of each law. I think that when it comes to not allowing expropriations without prior fair compensation, the law has a an over positive balance of these factors. With no guarantees of private property there is not economical development.

Whether people made laws to avoid living in chaos, a more historci and anthropological look might give you a different insight. How the stability of the state is threatened by this, it is also something that I cannot understand. Will there be greater stability if we sent tanks and try to boot them out of the area? As for them refusing to work, well, at this point I think you have forgotten waht you are saying. Albania has one of the highest unemployment rates in Europe, and the reason why these people moved in these areas is jobs. How many jobs have you found in those daily newspapers in places like RReshen and Has? As for the exploitation of children in Albania, I do not see how the move back to Kukes movement will make it better?

Private property is the ground concept for free market economy. Free market economy is the political and economical system we chose to live in. The moment you conduct expropriation campaings, you show no guarantees for the existence of private property. Setting precedents like this is very dangerous for the economy.

Again, though these people are not bandits commiting robberies. They are families with children. Thier only crime is to immigrate in an empty lot of land (I have not heard cases of actual ownners being in that area and then being kicked out). And again what do you propose? Send them all too prison, husbands wives and children, or force them back to the Northeast, or maybe keep an army of homeless in the streets of Tirana?

There were cases where legal owners were threaten with AK-47s so that they would not show there anymore. (nuk jane engjej mos ja fut kot tani, se i njohim se ne Tirane kemi jetuar)

Anyways, if they would have built their homes in a public owned land I might have lived with that. What I will always fight against is reforms where the state takes someones' property and gives it to someone else for no reason. Don't forget that many of the legal owners of these areas are homeless and live in rented appartments since most of them had problems with the past regime which left them homeless.

IlliricumSacrum

April 24th, 2006, 01:19 PM

What building is that on background??
http://www.tirana.gov.al/common/images/DSC05529m.jpg

Tirana Tower.

Edi Rama is standing where EOT will be built. The auxilliary building in fact, cause the tower will be built behind the bus.:D

AltinD

April 24th, 2006, 05:57 PM

^^ Does that mean the bus will stand there till the building will rise above ground to shield the site from sun, winds, dust, curious looks and dumping of garbage?

DanMs

April 26th, 2006, 01:22 AM

Tirana from Google Earth

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/myzeqari/tiranasky.jpg

Gështenja

April 26th, 2006, 01:23 AM

It looks so "green";)

lakerdar123

April 26th, 2006, 01:36 AM

the pics are still old. what year was this park reconstructed?
http://i3.tinypic.com/whlmde.jpg

Gështenja

April 26th, 2006, 01:37 AM

That hole is Tirana's new Orthodox Church under construction

lakerdar123

April 26th, 2006, 01:40 AM

the church is right by the city center?

Gështenja

April 26th, 2006, 01:40 AM

Yes, and left of it is where Archea Tower is to be constructed.

genci888

April 26th, 2006, 01:41 AM

That hole is Tirana's new Orthodox Church under construction
That's huge. :eek:

lakerdar123

April 26th, 2006, 01:41 AM

so the pics aren't that old then?

Gështenja

April 26th, 2006, 01:43 AM

From what i understand that land belonged to Orthodox Church, it wasnt given special privileges or anything like that.

lakerdar123

April 26th, 2006, 01:45 AM

but are the pics old. cuse i see the stuf by lana isn't even planted yet.
http://i3.tinypic.com/whmeyd.jpg

Gështenja

April 26th, 2006, 01:48 AM

Lana is 8 km long, not all the green slopes are planted.;)

Gështenja

April 26th, 2006, 01:52 AM

Lakerdar, can you give us a perspective of the center as a whole, in particular the area where EOT is being constructed?

lakerdar123

April 26th, 2006, 01:53 AM

Lana is 8 km long, not all the green slopes are planted.;)

it's near the center ;)

http://i3.tinypic.com/whmr7b.jpg

lakerdar123

April 26th, 2006, 01:55 AM

http://i3.tinypic.com/whmp3c.jpg

Gështenja

April 26th, 2006, 01:57 AM

it's near the center ;)

In the winter it's normal that will look that way, in the spring the greenery comes back:D

http://www.ayha.org/images/albania/tiranacolors/105.jpg

DanMs

April 26th, 2006, 01:59 AM

The Pictures on Earth google about Tirana are 2-3 years old. That is because the pavement in my neighbourhood is not there. The pavement got done in 2004...

Meaning during the year 2002-2003

Gështenja

April 26th, 2006, 02:00 AM

http://i3.tinypic.com/whmp3c.jpg

I dont see any progress being made in the area where EOT is being constructed, it looks like not even the foundation has been layed. :bash:
The center looks sharp though.

Gështenja

April 26th, 2006, 02:04 AM

I dont think that photo is updated?
It looks like it was taken from 2003, notice there's no construction near Tirana International and plenty of empty space behind the museum?
That's not how that should look!

lakerdar123

April 26th, 2006, 02:04 AM

^^i told you they are old.

Gështenja

April 26th, 2006, 02:06 AM

^^But then again, Hajdini hole is not there anymore, it's turned into a park:D

alb-tir

April 26th, 2006, 05:23 AM

oh yeah the images are deffinetaly from 2003. The grass was green even during winter though...

alb-tir

April 26th, 2006, 05:25 AM

^^But then again, Hajdini hole is not there anymore, it's turned into a park:D

and that place of the orthodox church, i think its right after rama demolished those stores there....

alb-tir

April 26th, 2006, 06:06 AM

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=9-KATESHET 7.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=15-KATESHI 1.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=LODRAT.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=MBRAPA PIRAMIDES 3.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=MBRAPA PIRAMIDES 1.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=COMPTOIR DE PARIS.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=INFO SOFT 2.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=SAMI FRASHERI.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=SELIA E TE PERSEKUTUARVE.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=PARLAMENTI 2.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=PALLAT NGA RRUGA E ELBASANIT.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=URA TE BULEVARDI.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=URA TE KRYQEZIMI I RRUGES SE ELBASANIT 1.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=URA TE KRYQEZIMI I RRUGES SE ELBASANIT 2.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=SKY TOWER 1.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=TROTUARI TE PARLAMENTI.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=URA PERBALLE KATEDRALES 1.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=PJACA 1.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=SHTEPI E VJETER NGA RRUGA E ELBASANIT.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=MINISTRIJA_E_DREJTESISE_3.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=Nga blloku.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=pallat nga rruga e kavajes.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=rruga e kavajes 4.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=Adidas 2.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=rruga myslym shyri 2.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=Bulevardi 4.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=Ish shpia enver hoxhes.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=rruga myslym shyri 4 amc.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=SkyTower2.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=15 kateshi 2.jpg&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=Ministrite.jpg&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=LOKAL NGA BLLOKU 2.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=SAMOS TOWER.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=Bulevardi 3.jpg&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=Charlsi.jpg&di=Tirana&subdi=

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http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=Ura e tabakeve 2.jpg&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=Lokal.jpg&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=MANHATAN.jpg&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=Juvenilja 3.jpg&di=Tirana&subdi=

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http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=Kuvendi 2.jpg&di=Tirana&subdi=

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=29 NENTORI 2005 13 (TE SHALLVARET).jpg&di=Tirana&subdi=Nata e Bardhe

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=29 NENTORI 2005 4 (KONCERTI I RADIO PLUS2 TE SHALLVARET).jpg&di=Tirana&subdi=Nata e Bardhe

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=29 NENTORI 2005 1 (NGA SHALLVARET).jpg&di=Tirana&subdi=Nata e Bardhe

http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=PARADA 31.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=Parada

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http://www.interneti.eu/portal/v1/instantgallery/photogen.php?src=PARADA 17.JPG&di=Tirana&subdi=Parada

liburni

April 26th, 2006, 12:34 PM

great pictures!

me rrufsh bolet

April 27th, 2006, 12:04 AM

dam those pics arre coooooollllll...
why was the guy banned, i liked all the pics, he coulda contributed a lot more! what happened?

MIMICA

April 27th, 2006, 12:12 AM

^^ Most Albanian forumers are banned from SkyscraperCity for no reason at all. I guess the people are banned because they were forumer users of SSC.

me rrufsh bolet

April 27th, 2006, 01:15 AM

ye so was "milosh" but he was banned like days after...

DanMs

April 29th, 2006, 02:48 AM

It's raining in Tirana... Municipality police car... didnt know it was red...
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8200/tirana9im.jpg

Apartment room and clock tower
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4092/1358/1600/April%20Nights.jpg

AltinD

May 6th, 2006, 01:13 AM

Did you saw the latest video "performance" of Inis Gjoni? :uh: :shocked: :ohno:

DanMs

May 6th, 2006, 03:02 AM

AltinD

Do you have the video????

AltinD

May 6th, 2006, 05:30 PM

I got it by e-mail but I'm sure it will be somewhere in the internet. Maybe there will be links on the Albanian forums.

I don't follow Albanian news so I didn't know what was going on, until someone e-mailed to me and explained what had happened.

BTW do you know for what video I'm talking about?

DanMs

May 6th, 2006, 08:03 PM

yea i do about that crack scandal....

Would you be able to send it in my email???

genci888

May 6th, 2006, 08:38 PM

Please if anyone finds a link to that video/pictures post it here. Now I am curious. :D

DanMs

May 6th, 2006, 08:58 PM

E gjeta linkun

Kush e do te me thoje ta coj PM...

E dinit ju qe edhe Bleona Qerreti ka bere Porno video?

lakerdar123

May 6th, 2006, 09:03 PM

send me that link lol

genci888

May 6th, 2006, 09:28 PM

OK ma co mua linkun me PM. :)

DanMs

May 6th, 2006, 09:32 PM

Kapitullimi i Shoqerise Shqiptare...

Kujtojne se jane "COOL"... atq

May 6th, 2006, 10:13 PM

E gjeta linkun

Kush e do te me thoje ta coj PM...

E dinit ju qe edhe Bleona Qerreti ka bere Porno video?
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?????????????

Pernime a?
I wanna see, i wanna see, I wanna see X 100

me rrufsh bolet

May 6th, 2006, 10:21 PM

E gjeta linkun

Kush e do te me thoje ta coj PM...

E dinit ju qe edhe Bleona Qerreti ka bere Porno video?

please dude, ma co ne private message lol

liburni

May 7th, 2006, 02:14 AM

send me too :(

dejan

May 7th, 2006, 04:48 AM

What's this lol post it up here lol

genci888

May 7th, 2006, 05:21 AM

EDIT. OK e hoqa. Te pakten shumica juaj qe donit ta shihnit e pate. :)

DanMs

May 7th, 2006, 10:07 AM

Genci Pash Zotin... Edit your message.. nuk ka nevoje per publikim kaq te hapur ne nje forum si ky...

jumpuponit

May 7th, 2006, 11:39 AM

Stupid bitch! :rofl: I bet she only did it for the publicity! Just like Paris Hilton.

lakerdar123

May 7th, 2006, 04:01 PM

ATTENTION WHORE. reminds me of this girl at school who will suck dick just to get attention. she gets pissed easily if she's not center of attention :laugh:

me rrufsh bolet

May 7th, 2006, 04:28 PM

genci, hiqe fare ate se nuk na duhet ti shofin njerez te huaj ato gjera

dejan

May 8th, 2006, 07:41 AM

More pictures please................. of Tirana lol

liburni

May 8th, 2006, 07:42 AM

To break awy from PORN a lil bit....here is a night shot of Tirana :cheers:
http://static.flickr.com/51/140327833_1fe96e7d3e_b.jpg

dejan

May 8th, 2006, 07:42 AM

omg lol it's like you were reading my mind hehe well great minds think alike:D

Great picture btw!! *thumbs up*

liburni

May 8th, 2006, 07:46 AM

hehehehe it didnt seem likt it was gona stop:D

me rrufsh bolet

May 8th, 2006, 08:58 PM

i dont know where you found that but get more somehow please i love that pic

lakerdar123

May 8th, 2006, 09:18 PM

really nice libruni

earth intruder

May 8th, 2006, 10:47 PM

Tirana is looking better day by day.

dewrob

May 8th, 2006, 11:14 PM

liburni Ur the man :okay:

DanMs

May 10th, 2006, 12:13 AM

Nice Foto Liburni

Here is an Italianate Villa in Tirana
http://static.flickr.com/46/142230457_eb8e4ca52f.jpg

The Pyramid
http://static.flickr.com/55/141916725_43273a7288.jpg

Boulevard Gjergj FIshta
http://static.flickr.com/48/142187014_ec5f70dacc.jpg

lakerdar123

May 10th, 2006, 02:32 AM

that villa is the Vatican Embassy i think.

DanMs

May 10th, 2006, 08:30 PM

http://www.medialb.com/forumi/foto/173847_1.jpg

Accident, 5 cars were involved
http://www.medialb.com/forumi/foto/173849_1.jpg

http://www.medialb.com/forumi/foto/173853_1.jpg

http://www.medialb.com/forumi/foto/173859_1.jpg

http://www.medialb.com/forumi/foto/173860_1.jpg

A shop in QTU
http://www.medialb.com/forumi/foto/173861_1.jpg

IlliricumSacrum

May 22nd, 2006, 06:55 PM

This is one of the best pics of the Twin Towers (one of them), I have seen around:

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9283/1824tirana2tn.jpg

genci888

May 22nd, 2006, 07:52 PM

The recently reconstructed "Elbasani" street.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2779/dsc08565m7gw.jpg

MIMICA

May 22nd, 2006, 08:45 PM

Tirana is a huge sucsess story. :yes: :cheers1:

I'm truely jelious what's going on there.

Gështenja

May 22nd, 2006, 09:40 PM

Yep, they finished reconstruction of Elbasan street today, it looks nice.

Gështenja

May 22nd, 2006, 09:42 PM

Tirana is a huge sucsess story. :yes: :cheers1:

I'm truely jelious what's going on there.

:D
It's deffinitely the most liberal, crazy looking capital in all of Europe and this all thanks to our crazy mayor (soon to be Prime Minister) Edi Rama:yes:

DanMs

May 23rd, 2006, 03:06 AM

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2779/dsc08565m7gw.jpg

Nice pic of the new constructed Elbasani street.

Although i do think the drivers need to be disciplined. One of the car parked there should get a ticket because it is parked very close with the "civilians white lines".

skender

May 23rd, 2006, 07:37 AM

loooool ticket...btw my new house is on elbasani street.

genci888

May 28th, 2006, 03:34 AM

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2517/59565561smalldsc027985ww.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6115/59565548smalldsc027806oy.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8781/59565553smalldsc027863yh.jpg

Scanderbeg

May 28th, 2006, 04:21 AM

I like the way Tirana is developing. In fact, i like the way all the Albanian cities are developing. I saw a pic of Durres in this forum, and i couldnt believe it was Durres. Its probably the best place ive ever seen and i live in Australia. It just looked so nice and clean and maintained. Really great progress

genci888

May 28th, 2006, 09:36 PM

Two night shots taken from Sky Tower.

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9792/1549255469729705a5eb0kq.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5013/15492554859a7d26f18b8hl.jpg

genci888

May 30th, 2006, 12:14 PM

People

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/9730/1556460970c4d3a2b4eo3fp.jpg

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/1976/155644203988f4d7668o4zk.jpg

dejan

May 30th, 2006, 12:39 PM

Fantastic night shots there!:)

DanMs

June 3rd, 2006, 03:21 AM

Tirana city beautiful photographs

http://static.flickr.com/63/155506584_967bb87c67.jpg
Skanderbeg
http://static.flickr.com/49/154371808_495c32716e.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/66/156433118_13f5fe5944.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/54/157194570_0afc7e0c69.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/58/157216124_395cf57b06.jpg
clock tower
http://static.flickr.com/56/152524932_b43efa91ff.jpg

Tirana Lake
http://static.flickr.com/27/56350264_43c0c952f7.jpg

DanMs

June 3rd, 2006, 07:25 PM

World Cup in Tirana :)
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/941/789/1600/IMG_2356.jpg

lakerdar123

June 4th, 2006, 08:54 PM

some pics from a camera phone showing some areas on the outskirts of the city.
http://i5.tinypic.com/11mcl94.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/11mcled.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/11mclmx.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/11mcm06.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/11mcmc9.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/11mcmit.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/11mcml4.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/11mcms6.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/11mcmyw.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/11mcow3.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/11mcoyp.jpg

lakerdar123

June 4th, 2006, 09:00 PM

http://i6.tinypic.com/11mcpxd.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/11mdaqc.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/11mdaxd.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/11mdb4m.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/11mdbp1.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/11mdbuh.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/11mdbwk.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/11mddmt.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/11mddw1.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/11mde1d.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/11mde6h.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/11mde9d.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/11mdegx.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/11mden9.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/11mdezk.jpg

genci888

June 4th, 2006, 10:55 PM

Great pics lakerdar. :)

Illyrian

June 5th, 2006, 08:04 AM

Dardan, Just curious. Where do you find these pictures? lol

liburni

June 5th, 2006, 08:34 AM

http://static.flickr.com/74/159506151_040f7d56c9_o.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/52/159500607_449b5625a8_o.jpg

liburni

June 5th, 2006, 09:12 AM

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6489/newpic1jr.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6783/newtirana3fk.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1608/stdium7sj.jpg

MIMICA

June 5th, 2006, 10:08 AM

Great pictures, all of you. :)

Even the outskirts of Tirana look decent. :cheers1:

liburni

June 5th, 2006, 08:37 PM

For some reason i love this picture:
Those mountais are surreal:
http://static.flickr.com/43/122139825_45eb250a56_b.jpg

lakerdar123

June 8th, 2006, 05:17 PM

http://i5.tinypic.com/1232l5c.jpg

genci888

June 8th, 2006, 05:36 PM

http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/4262/16275365612126e5c2bb3kp.jpg

http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/8303/16274912070d995f26cb4sg.jpg

http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/2750/1624696709757ca9abab0md.jpg

http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/1339/161778788f545df125fb4xj.jpg

http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/9246/159506151040f7d56c9o5wm.jpg

Mali

June 8th, 2006, 06:07 PM

Tirana looks amazing. But, something what Tirana is unbeatable in, are the building colors; and yet this is not that bad picture.
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6115/59565548smalldsc027806oy.jpg

liburni

June 8th, 2006, 07:46 PM

http://static.flickr.com/62/161120759_08328084ab_b.jpg

lakerdar123

June 8th, 2006, 08:43 PM

http://i6.tinypic.com/123b1bl.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/123b1o5.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/123b1qr.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/123b1vp.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/123b38y.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/123b3bk.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/123b3gi.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/123b3lw.jpg
i heard they are putting up a large tv near piramida and it will show all world cup games there for free. can someone confirm?

Saimir

June 9th, 2006, 04:25 AM

they do it everytime there is a world cup so I would not be surprised at all

genci888

June 9th, 2006, 09:41 PM

There hasn't been a picture of the Clock Tower form this position before (seen between the Ethem B. mosque and the municipality.):

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/4142/162985581a29ac87714b2vp.jpg

St. Paul cathedral:

http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/7681/1630923146029eb25993qf.jpg

Random:

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/4778/163092320d39bad5b41b9mc.jpg

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/7567/162985571bfa3e58e96b0om.jpg

bubach_hlubach

June 9th, 2006, 11:31 PM

Nice pics :)

Btw, this looks quite interesting :

http://i5.tinypic.com/123b1o5.jpg

Does anybody have a whole pic of it???

:cheers:

genci888

June 9th, 2006, 11:48 PM

Nice pics :)

Btw, this looks quite interesting :

http://i5.tinypic.com/123b1o5.jpg

Does anybody have a whole pic of it???

:cheers:
That one is posted alot lol.

http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/9246/159506151040f7d56c9o5wm.jpg

http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/981/dsc000742np.jpg

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/9721/dsc000305jq.jpg

bubach_hlubach

June 10th, 2006, 04:18 AM

Thanks genci888, that is one really, really high class bulding! :cheers:

MIMICA

June 10th, 2006, 04:29 AM

lakerdar123

June 10th, 2006, 04:47 AM

i'm a little sleepy right now but from the same page:
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/4778/163092320d39bad5b41b9mc.jpg

DanMs

June 10th, 2006, 05:18 AM

Can someone find me the more "average" type Tirana scene? I've seen the downtown, the river passing through, some of the larger buildings, but I'd like to see what the average street looks like. That would probably suggest somewhere in between the suburbs and downtown.

^ The picture above is the average looking street

Here are average looking streets or secondary streets in Tirana.. Typical of its nature,,,
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album23/The_Albanian_Capital_City.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album23/Rr_Mine_Peza.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album23/Dyqanet_e_reja_ne_Rrugen_e_Elbasanit.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album23/Fillimi_i_Rruges_se_Durresit.sized.jpg

Streets like this are typical of Tirana
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album23/People_of_Tirana.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album23/Shallvaret.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album23/Tek_Vila_IV.sized.jpg

these last example is the perfect example of how a street looks.
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album23/Rr_Sami_Frasheri.sized.jpg

MIMICA

June 10th, 2006, 06:04 AM

^^ Thank you. :cheers2:

genci888

June 10th, 2006, 10:30 PM

The train station.

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/940/164173064fb928d54dfb6sx.jpg

MIMICA

June 10th, 2006, 11:23 PM

There's no building or something for the train station? Are you sure? Most places have a building or something large for a train station.

lakerdar123

June 10th, 2006, 11:47 PM

genci888

June 11th, 2006, 01:19 AM

There's no building or something for the train station? Are you sure? Most places have a building or something large for a train station.
There is one (albeit a shitty one). You can't se it in this pic though.

Edit: Found an old pic. Here you can see a part of it (on the right side of the picture). An ugly commie.
Its a depressing station indeed at the moment and there are not any plans for it, since it will be demolished and a new one will be build further away. Basically the area where the current station is will be transformed to a skyscraper district (according to the french masterplan) and the new station will be built several hundred meters away.

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8283/tiranastacioniitrenit0hy.jpg

A couple more pics of the platform:

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8185/trenijpg8pe.jpg

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8732/142230329307a3012b5o3bj.jpg

MIMICA

June 11th, 2006, 03:08 AM

i really like this shot. starting from left to right you can see the small mini "skyline" that Tirana has. it's small and cute and has some really nice looking buildings:
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/9721/dsc000305jq.jpg

I agree, the picture is beautiful. It must be amazing just driving along that street and seeing all those skyscrapers on your side. :yes:

MIMICA

June 11th, 2006, 03:09 AM

There is one (albeit a shitty one). You can't se it in this pic though.

Edit: Found an old pic. Here you can see a part of it (on the right side of the picture). An ugly commie.
Its a depressing station indeed at the moment and there are not any plans for it, since it will be demolished and a new one will be build further away. Basically the area where the current station is will be transformed to a skyscraper district (according to the french masterplan) and the new station will be built several hundred meters away.

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8283/tiranastacioniitrenit0hy.jpg

A couple more pics of the platform:

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8185/trenijpg8pe.jpg

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8732/142230329307a3012b5o3bj.jpg

Alright cool, thanks. :)

liburni

June 12th, 2006, 06:31 AM

Tirana and Neon Lights:D
http://static.flickr.com/77/162985588_bd850ad6a1_b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/73/162985583_801eca523e_b.jpg

June 12th, 2006, 12:24 PM

More pics of ETC today

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/7tt_photos/etc3.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/7tt_photos/etc1.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/7tt_photos/etc2.jpg

DanMs

June 13th, 2006, 06:00 PM

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2708/556/640/IMG_0262.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2708/556/640/IMG_0261.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2708/556/640/Tir-partial-square-IMG_0144.jpg
Infosoft building
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2708/556/640/IMG_0250.jpg
Tirana International Hotel
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2708/556/640/IMG_0247.jpg

genci888

June 13th, 2006, 10:43 PM

:D
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http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5006/blogstuff10641du.jpg

lakerdar123

June 14th, 2006, 02:32 AM

http://i5.tinypic.com/14bkj03.png
http://i6.tinypic.com/14bkl5w.jpg

Kapedani

June 14th, 2006, 05:06 AM

Ugh....those people who write on the walls that stuff in English becasue they don't even speak a word of Albanian... :bash:

lakerdar123

June 14th, 2006, 11:11 PM

http://i5.tinypic.com/14dhrty.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14dhs0g.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14dhs3d.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14dhs9z.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14dhshg.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14dhsoy.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14dhsv6.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14dhu8o.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14dhueq.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14dhugl.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14dhuoj.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14dhuuc.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14dhv00.jpg

DanMs

June 15th, 2006, 07:45 PM

Tirana Snow(2003 picture)
http://static.flickr.com/66/159500606_6a378441c1.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/69/159500605_1a973f53ac.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/50/159500601_f838017e97.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/56/159495774_6f1db8c77a.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/78/159235216_1936cd1ab4.jpg

The houses are nice but no organization. They didnt build them in order.
http://static.flickr.com/69/162752228_87ce45f445.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/76/162750672_bdb112b704.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/72/162469679_bab1527284.jpg

Redocorated building
http://static.flickr.com/64/162469667_74879303b7.jpg

liburni

June 16th, 2006, 09:03 PM

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/4300/ti101gq.jpg
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/6345/tir41av.jpg
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/4583/tira24cx.jpg

liburni

June 16th, 2006, 09:06 PM

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2746/tir97hs.jpg
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/3189/tir66ce.jpg
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2074/tir76ec.jpg

genci888

June 17th, 2006, 11:26 AM

Dajti Express ropeway:

Tirana Terminal

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/9509/img24817ye.jpg

On the way to Dajti

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/4771/img24482no.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1503/img24554oa.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/6251/img24705zi.jpg

Dajti terminal. Under Construction. The building itself has been finished but the parking lot, access road and observation tower (left) are still under construction. As you can see its a horrible mess.

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8885/img24247hf.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/133/img24401eo.jpg

MIMICA

June 17th, 2006, 11:40 AM

Great updates. :)

lakerdar123

June 19th, 2006, 01:00 AM

http://i6.tinypic.com/14ukygw.jpg

lakerdar123

June 19th, 2006, 01:03 AM

http://i6.tinypic.com/14ul3kp.jpg

lakerdar123

June 19th, 2006, 01:12 AM

http://i5.tinypic.com/14uu89l.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uu8gx.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uu8le.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uu8nk.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uu8tl.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uu8wg.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uu921.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uu97m.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uuatj.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uub09.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uub2q.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uub8l.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uublf.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uubnq.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uubt5.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uuc0o.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uuc5y.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uuc8p.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uucdz.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uucg7.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uuclc.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uucnr.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uudzm.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uue60.jpg

lakerdar123

June 19th, 2006, 01:15 AM

at top of dajti:
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uuf41.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uufbm.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uufeq.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uufl0.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uufqb.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uuhjq.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uuhww.jpg

lakerdar123

June 19th, 2006, 01:22 AM

just outside the city (farka, petrela etc...)

http://i6.tinypic.com/14uulvn.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uuniu.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uunnc.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uuo49.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uuo9d.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uuogk.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uuoo2.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uuotk.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uuozq.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uup1y.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uup77.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uupa0.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uuqlg.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uuqnn.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14uuqsw.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14uuquu.jpg

liburni

June 19th, 2006, 01:25 AM

great pictures man!

Well done!!

lakerdar123

June 19th, 2006, 11:02 PM

http://i5.tinypic.com/14x0775.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14x07ib.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14x07kx.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14x07pt.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14x07sp.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14x080k.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14x09ci.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14x09kj.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14x09zr.jpg

genci888

June 21st, 2006, 05:45 PM

Posters of cultural events around the city :) :

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7990/img255714uz.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8439/img25597pz.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5314/img25636vz.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6574/img25614tl.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3243/img25667of.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/938/img25563ts.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3909/img25673pw.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1233/img25555bv.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7500/img25651oe.jpg

ALBANIA_GANGSTA

June 24th, 2006, 01:51 PM

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/563/50cent1ld.jpg
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3885/23mg1.jpg
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/2584/39pf.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/9781/tirana4ol.jpg

RedHotChilly

June 25th, 2006, 10:18 PM

The buildings in Tirana are FAR too colourful...

But anyway, I'm sure it must be a very nice country considering geographical location...

regards

dewrob

June 26th, 2006, 01:53 AM

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1233/img25555bv.jpg

heyyyy... that's a Macedonian singer... Karolina Goceva... I didn't know she does gigs in Albania... cool... here are a couple of more pics

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/254/big16ie.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9977/big40iv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3192/big55bp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/951/2326873karolina0hw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:cheers:

DanMs

June 26th, 2006, 04:17 AM

heyyyy... that's a Macedonian singer... Karolina Goceva... I didn't know she does gigs in Albania... cool... here are a couple of more pics

She is coming to Venue Dance Club (http://www.venuedanceclub.com) in Tirana.
That's obviously their Ad .

skender

June 26th, 2006, 02:36 PM

yeah there was another macedonian guy a couple of weeks ago at venue...i forgot his name. it should be on the site.

genci888

June 27th, 2006, 01:29 PM

The municipality just finished the repairs on the "Komuna e Parisit" street. :)

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/2742/dsc08798m6ak.jpg

Kapedani

June 27th, 2006, 02:03 PM

Where is that??

genci888

June 27th, 2006, 02:38 PM

Where is that??
"Tirana e Re" I think.

Saimir

June 27th, 2006, 03:30 PM

"Tirana e Re" I think.

yep you're right, Tirana e Re afer stadiumit Dinamo

skender

June 27th, 2006, 04:28 PM

i dont think its tirana re. its komuna parisit. a neighbourhood andej nga liqeni afer kopshtit botanik. and why does the street look like a running track lol

IkPirdhu

June 27th, 2006, 04:34 PM

afer stadiumit Dinamo, that's where it is, but im not exactly sure where it is. I have an idea cause that's the area i live

genci888

June 27th, 2006, 04:36 PM

i dont think its tirana re. its komuna parisit. a neighbourhood andej nga liqeni afer kopshtit botanik. and why does the street look like a running track lol
Une Tirana e Re e quaj edhe ate zonen afer kopshti botanik. :D

June 27th, 2006, 05:05 PM

Komuna e Parisit st. ndodhet midis Tiranes se Re dhe Selites, fillon nga Lana te Bulevardi Bajram Curri e kalon permes rruges Sulejman Delvina, nuk eshte aq afer liqenit.

BvizioN

June 27th, 2006, 05:21 PM

and why does the street look like a running track lol

I was about to ask the same.Strange lines on the street!! Parking must still be free i guess....lucky driver over there.It's a nightmare just to picture in my mind the countless orange penalty tickets found on my car's windscreen after returnin to it just a cuple minutes late.Not to mention congestion charge penalties :bash:

Here is e few pics i've taken last summer (sorry,not 2006 photos yet but i will be there in a month time)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/Bardhok/DSC01067.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/Bardhok/DSC01079.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/Bardhok/DSC01087.jpg

BvizioN

June 29th, 2006, 08:06 AM

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/Bardhok/DSC01043.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/Bardhok/DSC01009.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/Bardhok/DSC01154.jpg

Saimir

July 3rd, 2006, 04:52 PM

Albania Signs $18.6 Million Loan Agreement With European Bank for Reconstruction and Development
TIRANA, Albania (AP) -- Albania's government signed Friday a loan agreement with the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development to improve the infrastructure in the country's capital.
The euro14.6 million (US$ 18.6 million) loan, will go toward developing and repairing Tirana's roads, said a statement from Albania's Finance Ministry.
The project will begin in October and the government will pay back the loan over a period of 12 years, said ministry spokesman Eva Simoni.
Albania, a former communist country, is working to improve its infrastructure and hopes to eventually join the European Union.

genci888

July 3rd, 2006, 11:53 PM

People :)

http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/7609/1788984084fa53c5a9do3uf.jpg

http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/2633/178898406eeaa6e1bf8o0ka.jpg

Tartanzan

July 4th, 2006, 04:15 AM

Une Tirana e Re e quaj edhe ate zonen afer kopshti botanik. :D
po tirane e re eshte gjithekund aty,ku jane ndertuar pallate te reja!:nocrook: :drunk:

Saimir

July 4th, 2006, 02:29 PM

very long article so just posting the link

http://www.tirana.gov.al/?cid=2,58,812

genci888

July 5th, 2006, 07:28 PM

Goddamn. Look at that smog... :runaway:

http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/6647/img39952ro.jpg

http://img419.imageshack.us/img419/8416/img39922gw.jpg

FredPerry

July 6th, 2006, 01:05 AM

wow Albanians are big fans of old Mercedes cars http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/jk.gif :D

IkPirdhu

July 6th, 2006, 01:34 AM

The smog is entering the city, there was construction going on there last time i checked last year that's why there's smog there...i hope it clears up

genci888

July 6th, 2006, 04:36 AM

Filloi prishja e Zogut te zi. :(

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6062/watercopy411939pq.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8903/watercopy411950um.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9953/watercopy411911to.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4994/watercopy411978iz.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6388/watercopy411943dl.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1782/watercopy411909cn.jpg

IkPirdhu

July 6th, 2006, 05:02 AM

great, more smog...

ShqipeIvertet

July 6th, 2006, 07:23 AM

what is zogu i zi im not from the tirana area so i dont kno much is it a appartment building?

Kapedani

July 6th, 2006, 11:45 PM

Zogu i zi is the intersection of the Unaza road that goes around Tirana with (rruga e durrsit or rruga e kavajes...I forgot)...Its horrible for trafic...so Edi Rama decided to build an overpass allowing trafic to flow smoothly.

Now...our dear Profesor Doktor Sali Berisha came to power...and as his first action he decided to stick the government's nose in the local government's business and order that the building be stopped. He came up with some lame excuse for stoping it...obviously it was all political game to show that he had more power than Edi Rama. Rama send him to court in Strasburg...and the Eu court said berisha should stick his nose out of local government issues. Berisha didn't care...and has been announcing every week now for the past few months "we will demolish it today". Now he finally started...

Its the most ignorant and criminal act...but...welcome to Albania...law means little and the decisions are made by whoever goes there with a buldozer first...and what are you going to do about it?

The main problem is that the blocking of this building...means the rest of the plan for the Unaza road which was to be all fixed...can't go ahead...so now sections of the Unaza are still in ruins because they can't fix them because this was an integral part of that plan.

skender

July 7th, 2006, 08:08 AM

genci888

July 7th, 2006, 08:16 AM

kapedan please dont make rama an angel. trust me you need to go deep in this zogu i zi stuff. you will see that sala did not distroy it for nothing. anywyas there is a new project which i saw today about zogu zi and it looks much neater.
The new project is ugly as hell. Its just a bland roundabout.

Zogu i Zi was a great project. It would give a better impression of Tirana to anyone who visited it. I agree with kapedani here. Sala destroyed it for no reason.

Kapedani

July 7th, 2006, 11:12 PM

Skender you'r talking about Sala here...even if there was a reason he's too stupid to figure it out. This was a political game...nothing more.

skender

July 8th, 2006, 08:32 PM

guys i see you are all brainwashed by the bullshit propaganda of edi rama. for me i dont give a shit about sala or rama or anybody for that matter.

BvizioN

July 8th, 2006, 10:24 PM

Yeah right !!Berisha should stick his nose out of local government issues!
Sorry but why does the Albanian people thinks Edi Ramo is they'r GOD ??Because he did fix lana by getting rid of some qiosks? What does the ordinary Albanian people know about "Zogu i Zi" project? Of course nothing! All they know is how to protest because Edy Rama says so....and of course they are not to blame because in the end of the day all they need is easy drive around the city with as less trafic as possible.
Let's just face it!Both our main political Parties including they'r leaders are a joke! I just wish for once they would make things work.

Anyway...im sick and tired hearing,reading,seing everything leading to a political debates. :bash:

Kapedani

July 8th, 2006, 11:29 PM

You guys must know something those guys in Albania don't know...being in England and all...

genci888

July 9th, 2006, 01:33 AM

All these reconstructed streets in Tirana are Rama's work. From kinostudio to kombinat. Its not only Lana or the center like some people say.

Like I have said before I don't care about either socialists or democrats. I just find Rama, as a person, the only politician that actually works. Sure, he might steal, he might be corrupted, he might even be a crime lord like Sala says.
I DON'T CARE, as long as he fixes Tirana.

Look beyond his arrogance, or anti-Sala obsessions. ;) :D

IkPirdhu

July 9th, 2006, 01:52 AM

i agree with everything genci said

Scanderbeg

July 9th, 2006, 07:55 AM

I dont know what this Zogu i Zi is about but i do think that Edi Rama is corrupted and although he has improved Tirana but a lot, that doesnt mean we should turn a blind eye to his crimes. I read somewhere that he gave so newspaper tycoon 10 million euros. If he indeed did that, then he should be tried for that. Look at ex-councellor of Germany Helmut Kohl. The guy united both Germanies and he is hailed as a hero, yet when he was busted for tax evasion (or whatever), no one cared what he did for Germany.

My point is whoever is corrupt should go to jail. You can say whatever you want about Sali Berisha, but i dont think he is corrupt.

Kapedani

July 9th, 2006, 08:17 AM

This is what's wrong with Albania...not corrupt or ignorant brainded politicians (ala-Sala). Whats wrong with Albania are gullible people who believe any other stupid rumor they hear in the newspapers...straight from the donkey's mouth (Sala's)

Sala says Edi Rama gave 10 million to a "newspaper tycoon". Hell Mr. Skenderbeg...its obvious you don't know what you'r talking about...excpet what you read in some internet forum or on some of Sala's newspapers. This "newspaper tycoon" is the owner of 2K Group...the biggest construction firm in the country...and the money he got from Edi..is the money the city paid that company for construction work he won in a tender. How exactly does a construction company winning a tender to build public works and is paid by the city to do that....turn into "Edi gave a newspaper tycoon 10 million dollars"??? This turns into that...only if one folows a twisted logic of Berisha...who throws accusations of this sort as if they were yesterday's trash.

This is what's wrong with our country...ignorance...and don't take it personally...its something that affects far too many of us.

We can have the best possible person in charge who can do the best possible things...and we'll still sit on our high chairs and our ivory towers and complain..."that wasn't done right!"

Is Edi corrupt?? Of course he is...there's no politician on earth that isn't corrupt. And how does that bother you?? Did it ruin your day?? Did it spoil your vegetables? It got your roads rebuild...it got your city looking from Mogadisho circa-1995 to something decent...but we'll still complain. Is Sala corrupt?? You bet your as*s he is...he's not just corrupt but he's a downright old-fashioned criminel.

But the difference between Edi and Sala is that Edi has a brain and does good with it...Sala has no brain and does shi*t with it. I'd rather have someone with a brain than a psycho.

Anyway...enough political discussion...

July 9th, 2006, 08:19 AM

O cuna, mjaft folet per politike :bash:
Po patet dicka ne lidhje me temen si psh fotografi ne rregull, perndryshe ju lutem mos e beni chit-chat :cheers:

BvizioN

July 9th, 2006, 08:31 AM

Sure, he might steal, he might be corrupted, he might even be a crime lord like Sala says.
I DON'T CARE, as long as he fixes Tirana.

Sorry Genci but doesn't that bother you at all?
I just can't believe im reading this!!!

STEALING,CORRUPTION,CRIMES AND DIRTY WORKS! Is that realy what we are looking for?

Kapedani

July 9th, 2006, 08:49 AM

STEALING,CORRUPTION,CRIMES AND DIRTY WORKS! Is that realy what we are looking for?

And...where is this?? You'r in on some secret infromation over there in England the rest of the world doesn't know about?? Or you read it in Koha Jone??

And what do you plan to do about it?? I know...get Sala on it...thats like saying my foot hurts...cut it off before my other one starts to hurt too.

As I said the problem with Albania is ignorance...not curruption.

BvizioN

July 9th, 2006, 09:22 AM

And...where is this?? You'r in on some secret infromation over there in England the rest of the world doesn't know about?? Or you read it in Koha Jone??
And what do you plan to do about it?? I know...get Sala on it...thats like saying my foot hurts...cut it off before my other one starts to hurt too.
As I said the problem with Albania is ignorance...not curruption.

This is so topical ! Albanians and the politics.Willing to even fight each other on the name of it.Now that IMO is ignorance.
Kapedani....before you tok this too personal and asked me silly qusetion you should have payed some more attention to what i was referring to.And no,i don't read koha jone,as a matter of fact i hardly read any paper because i belive they have a political site and 99% of what you read is a bull shit.

But i agree youth you when you say the problem with Albania is ignorance.Corruption too and unfortunately both are here to stay.

lakerdar123

July 9th, 2006, 03:50 PM

omg peope just stop. this is the best thing about albanians. politics in everything.

Scanderbeg

July 9th, 2006, 05:56 PM

LoL kapedani you really need to relax a bit man! Everytime i read your posts theyre always full of emotions. Sure, i wouldnt mind that if it was Serbs your talking to but here is the civilised world.

What i meant before is if that claim was indeed true, then something would need to be undertaken. I didnt say it was necessarily true. I've also noticed that your quite biased towards Rama and you cant handle it when people criticize him. My opinion is that he is not an angel either. To me, i have no regard for either one of them because of the way they act towards each other and all the name calling. Why cant they just get along?! Sure, opposition is never emant to get along, but they all deserve the humanly respect. I see neither of them doing that.

Kapedani

July 9th, 2006, 08:40 PM

You'r free to have your opinion Mr.Skenderbeg and I'm free to not respect them...especially when those opinions are based on you not knowning what you'r talking about...like this:

Why cant they just get along?! Sure, opposition is never emant to get along, but they all deserve the humanly respect.

Becasue I wouldn't act civilized to a "prime minister" who 9 years ago send thugs to beat me over the head with metal rods and leave me there for dead...as Sala did to Edi Rama. Do you understand now what you'r dealing with here?? Please feel free to keep posting your opinions now...

skender

July 9th, 2006, 08:43 PM

Guys with the money that Edi Rama had he could have made Tirana twice better. The roads he fixes start falling apart. Bulevardi Zogu Pare had to be reconstructed, Rruga Hoxha Tasim had to be reconstructed. I know that business men in Tirana who wanted to build buildings paid 200 000 thousand euros to Rama's pocket just so he would give them the right to build. The most important thing in Tirana is not buildings and streets. Its jobs, its water, electricity. Did Rama improve the economy? NO!
Did Rama lower taxes? NO! The average Albanian doesnt give a damn about a street or a sidewalk. The average Albanian wants money and food on the table. With the amount of money that Rama got he could have opened something where people can find a job, improve the economy, the water system. All the streets he has build and painted are of low quality. WHY? Because a portion of the money is going in his pocket. :) I feel sorry for all of you people who get brainwashed.

skender

July 9th, 2006, 08:47 PM

Kapedani....Sala send people to beat you with a rod?
Why didnt he send people to me? LOL
Please my friend stop talking bullshit.

lakerdar123

July 9th, 2006, 09:01 PM

dont you guys have anything better to do, like watch the world cup final, instead of this?

IkPirdhu

July 10th, 2006, 06:19 AM

boll ore se po prishni temen e shtetit tuaj me budalliqe

Kapedani

July 10th, 2006, 06:32 AM

Kapedani....Sala send people to beat you with a rod?

...

Please my friend stop talking bullshit.

Did you miss this part??

Becasue I wouldn't act civilized to a "prime minister" who 9 years ago send thugs to beat me over the head with metal rods and leave me there for dead...as Sala did to Edi Rama.

Guys with the money that Edi Rama had he could have made Tirana twice better. The roads he fixes start falling apart. Bulevardi Zogu Pare had to be reconstructed, Rruga Hoxha Tasim had to be reconstructed. I know that business men in Tirana who wanted to build buildings paid 200 000 thousand euros to Rama's pocket just so he would give them the right to build.

Ok we should make you mayor then...in Albania...EVERYONE can do a better job than anyone...if we actually did any job.

Its jobs, its water, electricity.

Water, electricity and jobs are handeled by the central government...not by the mayor.

As I said in Albania we'r all the world's smartest people...

Did Rama improve the economy? NO!

So who did?? Berisha??

Did Rama lower taxes? NO!

Once more...lol...central government and local government...do you understand the difference. Lower taxes?? Dude...this is ALBANIA...when was the last time you paid any taxes?? lol

The average Albanian doesnt give a damn about a street or a sidewalk. The average Albanian wants money and food on the table

The average Albanian cares about whatever concerns him at the moment...and if he were drowning in food...he'd say there still ins't enough.

With the amount of money that Rama got he could have opened something where people can find a job, improve the economy, the water system

Like???...as I said we should make you mayor...prime minister and president. Better yet we'll make a new Hoxha and we'll all be happy...thats what we really want...somebody to take care of ALL our problems...now...Hey...as Bush said a dictatorship whoud be a heck of a lot easier. Well don't worry...we got Berisha...thats close enough.

All the streets he has build and painted are of low quality. WHY? Because a portion of the money is going in his pocket.

Welcome to the real world...shi*t breaks down. Where do you live?? Here in the US...shi*t breaks down too. You ever driven in Manhattan?? The streets there aren't exactly paved of gold.

But as I said...in Albania we can do anything better than the other guy...the only problem is us actually doing anything. And when someone does something...we'll he's got to be corrupt.

dont you guys have anything better to do, like watch the world cup final, instead of this?

Yes...great game...this only takes 5 minutes out of 24 hours...world cup finals is only 3 hours.

July 10th, 2006, 07:54 AM

This forum used to be so much more informative and exciting but now it's flooded with useless political crap :ohno:

Giorgio

July 10th, 2006, 08:59 AM

Hey guys,

I was wondering what the Transport Network in Tirana was like (Subways, Light Rail, Suburban Rails) Any pics?

Saimir

July 10th, 2006, 04:28 PM

This forum used to be so much more informative and exciting but now it's flooded with useless political crap :ohno:

That's because the "Know it all - all the others are ignorant" Kapedani is in town :)

Bur I agree with him on Sala!

Ps: Giorgos - Someone in here seemed to have good info on the Tirana transport projects, currently however the transport is mainly organised via bus routes and although much improved from a few years ago it is still pretty mediocre.

IkPirdhu

July 10th, 2006, 07:50 PM

Don't look much for Albanian transport, that's one thing i can say that Albania really lacks and i couldn't argue with you even i wanted to. The trains are pretty bad, the buses are somewhat old and although the roads are better they're still not where they need to be. They don't really need a subway in Tirana yet, if you want to get from one side of the city to the other you can do it by car and it won't take too long not because it's a small city but because the roads have imrpoved.

skender

July 11th, 2006, 07:21 AM

Mr. Kapedan. Ti po me thua mua se cfare do populli shqiptar? Sa kohe ke pa vajtur ne Shqiperi mo i shkrete. Po ti je verbuar nga urrejtja qe ke per Sali Berishen. Une shkoj shpesh ne Shqiperi dhe njerzit deri tashti jane te kenaqur me punen qe ka bere Sali Berisha. Te vetmit te pakenaqur jane ato te cilet nuk vjedhin dot me. Po shyqyr qe eshte Sala qe ja u mbledh te gjithve se te kesh nje qose si puna Edi Rames qe ben si i forte me pastruset e Bashkise eshte gjynaf. Qe ta dish ti mor miku im edhe Edi Rama e punonjsit e tjere te Bashkise jane ne hall se ska me leke per te vjedhur.

Scanderbeg

July 11th, 2006, 07:45 AM

i agree with skender. All i see on the news is "this druglord is busted...this mch drugs are being caught here n this much there". He must be doing something right.

Kapedani

July 11th, 2006, 08:16 AM

"this druglord is busted...this mch drugs are being caught here n this much there". He must be doing something right.

Bla bla bla...Albanian news is worthy of what it was before...whipping one's as*s with Zeri i Popullit 15 years ago...now Koha Jone is even better quality paper.

This drug lord is busted...great...except that most of the 5 of them were actually caught by Interpol in other countries...and I don't think Albania's problems was 5 druglords. The actual druglords are now ministers. This is a Mafia war...when one group takes over the turf of another group...they off each other...

Albania's problems aren't 5 criminals caught in Turkey or wherever...that servs as good propaganda for stupid people to swallow. On one side Berisha acts like an animal with threats of arresting the entire opposition, destroys local government, fires half the administration and replaces them with ignorant maloks, passes anti-constitutional laws...wrips the constitution appart actually, destroys non-govenment agencies...and on the other side..."he's doing a good job becasue 5 criminals were arrested"

Rejoice Albania...some unknown guy was cought in Turkey...now we'r saved!! He was the problem of us all!!

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Ok...get more pictures...thats up to you...I got no pictures :(