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Geographical Situation
With an area of 14,000 hectares, Chabahar Free Zone is located in the southeasternmost part of Iran at the northern latitude of 25˚ 20', and the eastern longitude of 60˚ 27', to the east of the Chabahar Bay along the blue waters of the Gulf of Oman. This region is connected by a land and air transportation network in the north to the Central Asian countries and Afghanistan, in the east to Pakistan and in the south to the Indian Ocean. Direct access to free waters, being away from the Persian Gulf, and safety from any damage at the times of crisis provide a strategic situation for a corridor between the Central Asian as well as other countries throughout the world.
Geographical Situation and Area
The county of Chabahar, with an area of 17,155 km2, is located in the south- easternmost part of Iran along the warm waters of the Gulf of Oman and the Indian Ocean. This county is bounded on the north to the counties of Iranshahr and Nikshahr, on the south to the Gulf of Oman, on the east to Pakistan and on the west to the provinces of Kerman and Hormozgan. Chabahar Port, the center of the county of Chabahar, having an area of 11 km2, is 7 meters above seal level, at the eastern longitude of 60˚ 37' and northern latitude of 25˚ 17'. The air distance of the county of Chabahar to Tehran is 1,456 km and its distance by road via the Iranshahr-Kerman road is 1,961. The distance between Chabahar and the center of the Province is 738 km. This county has approx. 300 km of water border on the Gulf of Oman
Climatic Conditions
The Chabahar Free Zone is in the neighborhood of the sea, close to the tropic of cancer and in the route of the monsoon winds from the Indian subcontinent and the tropical fronts. Therefore, it has a tropical weather with relative humidity. The Zone is the warmest part of Iran in winter and the coolest southern port of Iran in summer.
Avg.max temperature(in june) in a 7-year period is 32C and avg.min temperature (in January) 19 ˚C with average temperature during the year being 26 ˚C.
Minimum relative humidity has been reported to be 60% and the average relative humidity 70%.
The average annual rainfall is less than 200 mm, 64% of which occurs in winter.
Economical Situation
The UN Transportation Researchers envisage that approx. half of global transportation will be carried out between the Far East and the rest of the world. Out of the total 3 global transportation corridors envisaged by the UN experts in this regard, 2 pass through Iran, with Chabahar being the southernmost East-West corridor throughout the world. This corridor begins from the Jasper Gate in China, feeding the economic heart of this country, i.e. the Canton Province, to join the southeast Asian territories. It then enters India (the Indian subcontinent) and, by covering the most important cities in this area, i.e. Calcutta, Nagpur, Jaipur, Hassirabad, Karachi and bin Qasem, joins Chabahar. In other words, Chabahar is in fact one of the four southern corridors of global commerce, which connects the other two corridors, i.e. the two arm of the Silk International Express Railway.
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Chabahar
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The University
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Port
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Chabahar
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prsn41ife January 9th, 2006, 05:29 AM Chabahar Hospital
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Chabahar Free Zone
Total Area: 6,000 sq. m.
Client: Chabahar Commercial Free Zone Organization
Multi purpose warehouses in Chabahar
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Chabahar Free Zone
Total Area: 270,000 sq. m.
Client: Chabahar Commercial Free Zone Organization
Towers January 9th, 2006, 05:46 AM amazing city man, this city already looks way more developed then gwadar. Both cities are so close to each other probably less then 150 km a part, i wish both countries can work toghter on this thing, i really hope both port develop and the ties between our countries improve. its finally time Iran and pakistan Imporve ties
prsn41ife January 9th, 2006, 05:51 AM Source: http://www.cfzo.com/Editor/PageViewE.asp?Page=133&DID=29
The projects under execution:
The commencement of key studies of the Chabahar Free Zone by the foreign consultants
proceeding with the construction of the Chabahar International airport
The commencement of construction of Chabahar International Hotel with the capacity of 200 people
The commencement of the construction of the Chabahar International University dormitory with the substructure of 30000 square meters accommodating 1000 students
The commencement of development operations of the Chabahar International University
proceeding with the executive operations of change of the ocean gate bridge application
The continuance of supplying light for Chabahar Free Zone 85m and 45m main pivots (including fabrication, thedrilling for the required foundations, accomplished cable ducts, cable covering)
The proceeding of practical works of the sanitary sewage treatment plan of the Lipar Hotel with approximately 80 percent physical progress
The commencement of practical works of erection store in the Free Zone limit
The commencement of practical work of erecting of the Chabahar Free Zone customs administrative building
The end of project of expansion and creation of the Avicennia Jungle including plantation of 25000 trees
The end of plantation of 10 hectares of tamarisk on the margin of the 85- meter free way within the Free Zone
The commencement of works of renovation and development of Tis Garden including drainage and increase the water yield of the Tis garden, development of ornamental green houses and starting up the Tis Garden under a pressure irrigation network
The development of the urban green belt in the Free Zone including plantation of several thousand trees in the residential and economic areas, boulevards, and squares
The study of the detailed project of coast of the Chabahar Free Zone
Repairing and maintenance of water networks, electricity, and sewage treatment
The fulfillment of installation of telecommunication and internet facilities in the permanent fair ground
The fulfillment of WAN network design of the Chabahar International Univarsity
The design and accomplishment of LAN network and connection to the WAN in the 84 and 63 units ( the university dormitory and residential buildings
The project of fulfillment and design of LAN network and connection to the WAN of the Chabahar airport terminal in the wireless from to transfer the telephone line and DATA network
The fulfillment of preparation and dissemination of internet project in organization and residential building and in the 230 acres of beach club
The fulfillment of development project of LAN network in the Navigation Training Center and its connection to the overall fiber optic
Industrial
The commencement of erection of cement factory of Kilinker with the volume investment of 50 billion Rials in the first phase
The commencement of practical works for erecting the ostrich breeding raising park in the Chabahar Free Zone with a volume investment of 90 billion Rials
The commencement of establishing a date producing factory with a capacity of 3000 T/D
The follow up of petrochemical projects in partnership with National Iranian Petrochemical Company and the Industries Renovation and Development Organization; the preliminary studies accomplished and the PVC production project is under survey and the projects of Methanol, Urea, Ammonia productions considering the existing markets have been suggested and are under examination
The follow - up of establishing a refinery in the Zone ; presently, the pertinent discussions are being made
The preparation of studies of shrimp production increase project in the Chabahar shrimp breeding farms as much as 7 tons/acre
The preparation of tin can production project in the Chabahar Free Zone with production capacity of 900000 pieces per year
The commencement of studies of industry organization plan in the form of a project entitled Formulation and Analysis of Industrial Development Sample on the basis of Industrial Cluster for the Chabahar Free Zone based on 10 year accomplishment on the horizon of incoming 5 years"
The follow -up of agricultural project in the form of hydrounic system in Chabahar Free Zone with a capacity of investment of equivalent to 180 billion Rials
The follow - up of the construction project of the Bahar Trade Residential compound in a residential status in the Zone with the investment capacity of 5 billion Rials
Technology:
Preparation of DATA Technology Park to provide a field for the growth of companies and study group for the aim of goods export and services
Reformation of administrational system
Design and accomplishment of the traveling card system
Design and accomplishment of the Internet sale –purchase system
Design and accomplishment of the Zone website
ICT comprehensive detailed study of the Chabahar Free Zone
The study of making alike the software bed of the organization
The study and accomplishment of DATA Training project for transit goods
Commercial:
To make practical the Cabinet’s resolution about the commercial transit of goods through the Chabahar Free Zone that resulted in the entrance of a container carrying ship in to the Shahid Kalantari port of Chabahar on 22nd of Bahman (11th of February), and after that a container carrying ship will enter the Chabahar port every two weeks
Two sign a contract for purchase, installation and start up of 7 scales for the wharf
Others:
The study of organization financial system
The study and accomplishment of the quality management in the organization
The study and accomplishment of the project of management and control in the organization.
kronik January 9th, 2006, 07:14 AM Now thats a well developed port and town.
prsn41ife, my interest in the port is mainly because of the Indian stake in its development. Indian companies are working on some projects there as well.
Like i had said in the Afghanistan thread, there is a new highway from Afghanistan being built towards the port.
India to build key road in Afghanistan (http://www.afghans4tomorrow.com/index.asp?newsid=49)
India has agreed to construct a 200-kilometre stretch of road in Afghanistan to facilitate transport of goods from the Iranian port of Chabahar to Afghanistan.
The Afghan Commerce Minister, Mustafa Kazmi, told The Hindu today that the Milak-Dilaram road would provide a direct link to the cities of Kandahar and Herat.
This will cut down the travel time to and from the busy Iranian port of Bandar Abbas as far as Indian merchandise is concerned. According to Mr. Kazmi, the Chabahar port and road link into Afghanistan is a trilateral initiative on the part of Kabul, Delhi and Teheran.
Also, this port will be important if the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline falls through.
Indian Consortia Bag Chabahar Projects In Iran (http://www.payvand.com/news/04/jul/1073.html)
One of the projects, to extend the port of Chabahar, in southeastern Iran, will cost US$100 million. Another project, for building a railway line between Chabahar port and Bam costs around US$500 million.
Shayan_m January 9th, 2006, 02:40 PM Awesome pics man , thanx a lot . Where is this Chabahar port ??? Never heard of it !
shayan January 9th, 2006, 05:33 PM This port will become the most important port for Central asia. It will develop really fast in the next 5 years. And yes india is the biggest foreign invester.
persian January 9th, 2006, 05:59 PM wow i did not know it was like this. nice city
ahmed_s January 9th, 2006, 07:01 PM let the competition begin! btw...the water looks really nice to swim in.
shugs January 9th, 2006, 07:07 PM i heard there was sharks in those waters :eek: but i could be wrong ;)
Gumnaam January 9th, 2006, 07:26 PM ^^ Come across the border to the east, water is as nice with no sharks.. ;)
@ prsn41ife, nice thread and pics, Chabahar is looking more developed than Gwadar ATM but let the competition begin, I wish all the best to Iran and Chabahar. :)
prsn41ife January 10th, 2006, 12:09 AM competition is a great thing! that is why capitalism works and the more competition the better, it forces the countries to develop regions that usually they wouldnt develope.
UnitedPakistan January 10th, 2006, 01:58 AM Actually, we do not have many images on Gwader at the moment so we have no idea how the development is going on but they are currently working on adding more cranes and building the Chinese and Pakistani navel base on the hammerhead part of Gwadar...
prsn41ife January 10th, 2006, 02:05 AM Other Projects in the works for Chabahar Port:
Airport- U/C
Rail Road- U/C
High Way- U/C
UnitedPakistan January 10th, 2006, 02:44 AM Here is the Pakistani Gwadar thread
http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=6951514#post6951514
Gilgamesh January 10th, 2006, 11:18 AM Chabahar looks nice! :cheers:
Both cities are so close to each other probably less then 150 km a part, i wish both countries can work toghter on this thing, i really hope both port develop and the ties between our countries improve. its finally time Iran and pakistan Imporve ties
Ya, I agree with you. I think there's room for both ports.
shayan January 10th, 2006, 02:14 PM I disagree :D:D
ahmed_s January 10th, 2006, 08:21 PM well more ports means more competition...so bring it on :)
UnitedPakistan January 10th, 2006, 10:43 PM Gwadar will be linked soon to the transportation system in Pakistan which will hook it up with Afghanistan. Work is almost complete on the extra berths.
prsn41ife January 11th, 2006, 12:49 AM Chabahar Bay
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prsn41ife January 24th, 2006, 05:19 AM Title:
Chabahar- Bam (Fahraj) Value Engineering Study
Description :
The route with 591 Km length, linking Chahbahar port (Shahid Beheshti) to kerman Zahedan railway through Milnadery station. This line passes through Chahbahar, Nikshahr, Espakeh, Bampoor, Iranshahr, Bezman and Fahraj
The maximum longitudinal gradient of the route is 1.5% and the minimum radius of curves is 500 m. The 296Km of route passes through flat, 139 Km through hilly, and 156 Km through mountainous terrains. By this line, Chahbahar and its port is connected to Kerman, Yazd, Isfahan and Tehran, as well as Khorasan, Mashad and Sarakhs after construction of Bafgh- Mashad railway is ended.
^^ this is two years old, so the rail road is either complete or on the verge of completion.
prsn41ife January 24th, 2006, 05:29 AM Oct 2005- Rail road between India and Iran to go through Chabahar.
India’s Iranian rail project is on right track
ANIMESH SINGH
Posted online: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 0000 hours IST
NEW DELHI, OCT 24: Iranian railway officials have said that the $600 million rail linkage project being undertaken by India is very much on. The project involves development of Iran’s Chabahar port and connecting it to the city of Bam with a rail line. The distance between the port and city is 600 km. Iran’s communication ministry and a consortium of Indian companies consisting of Rites, Ircon and Alps had signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) to this effect a couple of years back. Both nations are to bear the cost of the project equally.
FE had earlier reported that even though the Iranian side was proceeding with the project and conducting surveys, the Indian government, when asked, seemed to have no idea about it. Also, as Ircon had backed out from the project, saying that port development was not its expertise, the completion of the project seemed to have come under a cloud.
However the director general (international affairs) of Iranian railways, A Nazari, told FE that the project is very significant for Iran and the Iranian government has already completed and submitted the feasibility report on the project to the Indian government. “Currently, the technical aspects of the project are being ironed out, and after that the financial details would be worked out. However, as it is a long-term project, it would take some time to get completed, but it is very much on, as it holds a lot of significance for us,” Mr Nazari said.
The project, sources say, would open up possibilities for India to establish rail links with other Central Asian nations.
shayan January 24th, 2006, 04:11 PM the first railroad project is almost finished (the same time as the esfahan shiraz railroad finishes) and (in the text you read that the bafgh mashad railway isnt ready jet but it just was deliverd) the second project the link between india isnt finished jet
GVNY February 24th, 2006, 08:43 PM This thread is a wonderful collection of information and photos of a city I have been trying to learn more about for years! The views are gorgeous, and the city looks lovely!
UnitedPakistan February 27th, 2006, 08:41 AM when is it opening? Gwadar opens in June
persian March 5th, 2006, 03:04 PM A Cricket Stadium to be built in Chabahar
ساخت ورزشگاه كريكت در چابهار آغاز شد
ساخت مجموعه بين*المللي كريكت توسط كنفدراسيون كريكت آسيا در منطقه آزاد چابهار آغاز شد. منطقه آزاد چابهار مركز كريكت ايران مي*شود
تهران ــ ميراث*خبر:
مناطق*آزاد و ويژه اقتصادي_ ساخت مجموعه بين*المللي ورزش كريكت توسط كنفدراسيون كريكت آسيا در منطقه آزاد چابهار آغاز شد.
به گزارش ميراث*خبر، بر اساس تفاهم*نامه*اي كه دي ماه گذشته ميان شركت رفاه اجتماعي و توسعه گردشگري چابهار با كنفدراسيون كريكت آسيا منعقد شد، مجموعه بين*المللي ورزش كريكت در چابهار ساخته مي*شود.
هم*اكنون نمايندگان نيوزلندي كنفدراسيون كريكت آسيا براي ساخت اين ورزشگاه در چابهار به سر مي*برند.
علي شعله، معاون برنامه*ريزي شركت رفاه اجتماعي و توسعه گردشگري چابهار با اعلام آغاز شدن احداث مجموعه بين*المللي كريكت در اين*باره به ميراث*خبر گفت: «زمين موردنياز براي ساخت اين ورزشگاه چهار هكتار است كه در نزديكي دروازه شمالي چابهار واقع شده و سازمان منطقه آزاد آنرا در اختيار كنفدراسيون آسيا قرار داده است.»
به گفته وي، تامين آب و برق براي ورزشگاه از ديگر تعهدات سازمان منطقه آزاد چابهار در قرارداد ياد شده بود كه اين كار نيز انجام شده است.
وي يادآور شد: «تمامي هزينه*هاي مربوط به ساخت اين ورزشگاه توسط كنفدراسيون ورزش كريكت آسيا تامين* مي*شود و پس از بهره*برداري به سازمان منطقه آزاد چابهار تحويل خواهد شد.»
وي گفت: «همچنين نمونه خاك ويژه براي زمين چمن كريكت نيز كه از پاكستان وارد شده بود، مورد آزمايش قرار گرفت كه پس از ساخت ورزشگاه وارد كشور مي*شود.»
«شعله» هدف از ساخت اين ورزشگاه را ساخت ورزشگاهي با استانداردهاي جهاني براي برپايي مسابقات كريكت آسيا برشمرد و گفت:«انتظار مي*رود كه اين مسابقات تا دو سال آينده در چابهار برگزار شود.»
وي دليل ساخت اين ورزشگاه در چابهار را تشابه آب*وهواي اين بندر با كشورهاي حاشيه خليج*فارس و برخي كشورهاي منطقه از قبيل پاكستان دانست و اظهار داشت: «كشورهايي چون كويت، امارات، هند، پاكستان، مالزي، عربستان، انگليس و استراليا در اين رشته ورزشي فعال هستند.»
پاكستان قهرمان جهان در اين رشته است و انگليس نيز سرمايه*گذاريهاي قابل توجهي را در اين ورزش انجام داده است كه مي*توان به راه*اندازي كانال تلويزيوني ويژه بازي كريكت اشاره كرد.
كريكت به لحاظ نحوه بازي در گروه بيس*بال، سافت*بال و راگبي قرار مي*گيرد. فدراسيون اين بازيها در ايران در سال 72 فعاليت خود را آغاز كرده است. به دليل آنكه بيشتر بازيكنان تيم ملي كريكت ايران در چابهار و شهرهاي جنوبي كشور ساكن هستند، تمرينات تيم* ملي در اين شهر انجام مي*شود.
Gilgamesh March 6th, 2006, 01:25 PM Iran: Chabahar Free Zone begins building international airport
02/17/06
The construction works aimed at building an international airport in Chabahar Free Trade Zone began on Thursday.
The modern airport covering 1,400 hectares of land is slated to become operational within a period of three years.
The $57m project, implementation of which was approved by the cabinet in last July, will be carried out by Iran's Civil Aviation Organization (CAO), the Persian service of Iranian Students News Agency (ISNA) said on Friday.
Meanwhile, the local and provincial officials attending the opening ceremony for the start of the project also visited a number of other development projects underway in the region. The projects included a date processing plant that is planned to come on stream by July, a cement production plant capable of a daily production of about 500 tons of cement as well as an oil extraction plant whose machineries have already been imported into the site and is expected to be completed soon.
http://aviation.news-industry.com/aerospace/991
Gilgamesh March 9th, 2006, 11:18 AM Chabahar port to handle Super Panamax
TEHRAN, Mar. 8 (MNA) -– Construction of three multipurpose docks with a depth of 12 meters at Shahid Beheshti Port will be completed by 2009-2010 period, director of Sistan-Baluchestan Province Ports and Shipping Department General Mehrdad Hazrati said on Wednesday.
Two of the docks, capable of handling Super Panamax Class, are financed by Indian companies and in the meantime, a terminal covering 12,000 square meters is to be operational by September 2006, he elaborated.
Another development project on the course is dredging of 17 million cubic meters of dry dock, which is to be done by 2009, while repair and reconstruction jobs on the existing docks require six more months. Moreover, the inland construction of a general cargo area, at 220 hectares, would be going along with installation and commissioning of fire posts.
Purchase of a 60-ton mobile crane, a rescue helicopter and three reach stackers are also part of the port’s renovation project, he said in conclusion.
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UnitedPakistan March 11th, 2006, 04:30 AM So your completion date is at 2009 or 2010?
Gwadar's completion date is this June
I will be going and take quite a lot of pictures on the completion date.
shayan March 11th, 2006, 01:21 PM The other ports are already in operation, this will be a expension:) so there is already competition for gawar dont worry.:D
UnitedPakistan March 12th, 2006, 06:06 PM ^
Well we also have the majority of the port complete but we have a major expansion going on that will take till june. We have real estate already starting up in the area and we have lots of hotels opening up.
shayan March 12th, 2006, 06:22 PM do you have a link to the gawar port because i havent seen really good pictures of gawar.
UnitedPakistan March 15th, 2006, 02:58 AM Check the Pakistan section in Projects section. We dont have many pictures just really old ones of land being cleared for construction and actual construction taking place.
Now I know both Iran and Pakistan have problems with Afghanistan and we dont really have a way to solve this problem. Pakistan can just "capture" the wakhan corridor if they needed a route that will not go through volitile Afghanistan.
Shot taken around 2003
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Gwadar Port UnderConstruction - Pakistan's New Economic Frontier
Picture taken from far far away !
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Along the Mekran Coast
Driving from Karachi to Gwadar along the Mekran coast on the MCH (Mekran Coastal Highway) - South Western Pakistan.
Pictures taken by Montesir Shirazi.
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A natural Sphynx - created by errosion
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Princess of Hope
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Sunset in Gwadar
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Diverse Pakistani landscape
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Gilgamesh March 15th, 2006, 05:21 PM ^Nice Nature. :)
UnitedPakistan March 15th, 2006, 10:37 PM Tourism will also be a main marketing idea for this port. Music artists are starting to make music videos on the beaches and people are becoming aware of the progress and the beauty so real estate is a bit expensive at this point.
shayan March 16th, 2006, 05:14 PM I think its a bad idea to make a comercial port a tourism atraction. If your main atraction is the weather and the beach. Polution is a bitch you know...
UnitedPakistan March 16th, 2006, 10:56 PM Pollution can be handled!
The entire Makran coast is like this so the entire damn coast will be a tourist hub!
And it is not like all the attractions are limited to the city.
Kashmiri84 April 10th, 2006, 09:36 AM I'm proud to call myself Pakistani (even though I'm from the part of Kashmir not controlled by Pakistan currently), but i think that Gwadar's success is more shaky and based off speculation than real evidence. Pakistan claims it to be the next Dubai and a gateway to Central Asia, but Central Asia is really insignificant, and Dubai had oil. Instead of building Gwadar, I wish Pakistan would have let Chah Bahar deal with Central Asia, and would instead have instead expanded and upgraded Karachi or Bin Qasim
UnitedPakistan April 15th, 2006, 08:25 PM I'm proud to call myself Pakistani (even though I'm from the part of Kashmir not controlled by Pakistan currently), but i think that Gwadar's success is more shaky and based off speculation than real evidence. Pakistan claims it to be the next Dubai and a gateway to Central Asia, but Central Asia is really insignificant, and Dubai had oil. Instead of building Gwadar, I wish Pakistan would have let Chah Bahar deal with Central Asia, and would instead have instead expanded and upgraded Karachi or Bin Qasim
Kashmiri,
You are wrong...
Karachi is a natural bay making it impossible for larger ships to dock. Gwadar is a bay that has been dregged to make it deeper so larger ships can dock. Gwadar also solves our Balochistan problems. You are also very wrong about Central Asia, they have lots of natural resources currently not tapped into since they are lacklocked. The central asian nations will build on this and they will start trading through Gwadar. Please educate yourself on the topic by viewing the Pakistan projects section and you will see a pinned topic about Gwadar.
Regards,
UP
Zulqi Pak April 17th, 2006, 01:24 PM This Chabahar Port seems to be far more developped then Gwadar. From the pictures I can see there's already a society out there. But I read somewhere that the port will be fully completed in 2010. Gwadar will be completed this year, June. Hopefully these two ports aren't going to compete with eachother.
shayan April 17th, 2006, 01:33 PM they will gwadar is chabahars competition. But at this momment Chabahar is winning.
shayan April 17th, 2006, 02:28 PM Gwadar is Chabahars competition. They want the same projects and the same deals that makes the competative behaviour between these two towns very big.
Zulqi Pak April 17th, 2006, 05:03 PM What is with all the pakistanies coming to this thread talking about Gwader?
Is that not allowed?
Anyway, the ts started talking about gwadar.
Gilgamesh April 17th, 2006, 05:11 PM But I read somewhere that the port will be fully completed in 2010. Gwadar will be completed this year, June. Hopefully these two ports aren't going to compete with eachother.
Chabahar already has 2 ports. One of them will be expanded by 2010 but both of them are already in operation....
UnitedPakistan April 18th, 2006, 12:50 AM This Chabahar Port seems to be far more developped then Gwadar. From the pictures I can see there's already a society out there. But I read somewhere that the port will be fully completed in 2010. Gwadar will be completed this year, June. Hopefully these two ports aren't going to compete with eachother.
Thats because Gwadar used to be a fishing village and infastructure must be built from the ground up. We have pictures of counstruction but they are old and the projects have already been completed. I will be going in June to photograph the area.
they will gwadar is chabahars competition. But at this momment Chabahar is winning.
How can you conclude that? any evidence?
Currently the coverage of Chahbahar is very limited compared to Gwadar so I cant disprove or prove your statements.
What is with all the pakistanies coming to this thread talking about Gwader?
We are called Pakistani's and this is called mutual intrests.
persian April 18th, 2006, 01:54 PM We are called Pakistani's and this is called mutual intrests.
This thread is about chabahar development not u coming and posting pics of pakistan nature.
UnitedPakistan April 18th, 2006, 02:37 PM Gwadar and Chahbahar are projects that coincide with each other. This discussion ends here...
shugs April 18th, 2006, 03:35 PM Persian chill... noone else has an objection to it... also SSC Pakistan are our friends :D lol
shayan April 18th, 2006, 03:38 PM jup i´ve asked for pictures :P scoezii
Gilgamesh April 27th, 2006, 09:29 AM Old news, still interesting:
Investments in Chabahar FTZ doubles this year
LONDON, August 21 (IranMania) - Managing Director of Iran Chabahar Free Trade Zone (FTZ) said that total investment in the area stood at rls 700 billion in the past 11 years.
The capital investment doubled to rls 1400 billion in the past year (ended March 20), the head of Chabahar FTZ organization Mohammad Mehdi Salari told reporters, according to IRNA.
"The figure is indicative of the interest shown by the private investors to the area."
He added that the share of the organization was 20% and 30% respectively in two hotel and cement projects with the private sector having the remaining stake in the projects.
Some dlrs 1.3 billion in foreign investments were attracted through the country's FTZs in 2001, registering a remarkable growth compared to other parts of the country, he added.
UnitedPakistan April 29th, 2006, 08:30 PM Currently we are training the locals to create a skilled workforce in Gwadar. But infastructure is currently being layed down. With a month to go to the grand opening it will be intresting what happens. China development bank is now putting more money into the port and the city.
shayan April 30th, 2006, 12:51 PM Haha India is investing in Chahbahar and China in Gwadar this will be a good competition, but than again in western europe we have the Hamburg port the Antwerpen port and the Rotterdam port in a range of 300 km. and these are the top ports of the world. so ports can co excist.
blitzkrieg May 4th, 2006, 07:04 PM But aren't the two ports closer in this case and trying to tap a single market ie CARs?
shayan May 5th, 2006, 11:16 AM nope they are not closer Hamburg and Rotterdam also have the same market (Germany, central europe and Poland). The aim of the ports is to export to Central asia (and Iran doesnt only have the central asian market but also Turkey and Russia something pakistan doesnt have) So Chahbahars market wont only be Central asia like Gwadar wants but it will also include Russia The caucasus and Turkey. Another postive thing about Iran is that it borders 2 central asian countries and Iran has cultural ties with every central asian country so it will be easier for Iran to enter the market. Pakistan only borders dangerous Afganistan.
shugs May 5th, 2006, 03:25 PM Thats the a good point actually... the thing about the boarders, I didnt think of that :)
panj-delaavaraan May 8th, 2006, 06:16 AM http://www.tokco.com/
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Chabahar Free Zone
Total Area: 6,000 sq. m.
Client: Chabahar Commercial Free Zone Organization
Parth May 10th, 2006, 03:47 AM Had it not been for the nuke issue , Iran would have emerged as the clear winner as far as tapping the Caspian & CAR's energy reserves and channelizing it into the world markets thru the ports of Bandar Abbas & Chabahar. Iran also has the financial resources to implement a pipeline project to tap the oil in CAR and bring it to its ports. Most of this pipeline would be in its own territory which is an added advantage.
If I had been in Ahmedinijad's place , I would have made this as my top priority. It would have benefitted Iran immensely and increased it strategic importance manifold.
But alas, the present govt is more interested in issuing threats to Israel rather than focussing on this crucial project.
UnitedPakistan May 11th, 2006, 02:12 PM nope they are not closer Hamburg and Rotterdam also have the same market (Germany, central europe and Poland). The aim of the ports is to export to Central asia (and Iran doesnt only have the central asian market but also Turkey and Russia something pakistan doesnt have) So Chahbahars market wont only be Central asia like Gwadar wants but it will also include Russia The caucasus and Turkey. Another postive thing about Iran is that it borders 2 central asian countries and Iran has cultural ties with every central asian country so it will be easier for Iran to enter the market. Pakistan only borders dangerous Afganistan.
Are you forgetting the Wakhan corridor?
We can also tap into Russia but you guys do not have China which needs this route very much!
And are you also forgetting the fact that Iran is not being viewed very highly. Westerners will be very cautious when investing...
Gilgamesh May 11th, 2006, 02:31 PM Thats the a good point actually... the thing about the boarders, I didnt think of that :)
True, bordering Turkmenistan is a great advantage!
UnitedPakistan May 11th, 2006, 02:34 PM Plus we got Uzbekistan in the bag as well as Turkmenistan(sp?)...
shayan May 11th, 2006, 05:05 PM Having a country is your bag is a wrong way to call it ( its disrespectfull for the nation ) and by the way why would Turkenistam gross 2 borders to get a port why not one? Why would Oezbekistan want to cross 3 borders to get to a port why not only 2 and believe me people prefere to go through Iran than going through Afganistan. You will see Going to Chabahar means having your goods save in Central asia, Caucasus and Russia, going through Gwadar means the risk of warlords in Afganistan.
persian May 11th, 2006, 05:32 PM Having a country is your bag is a wrong way to call it ( its disrespectfull for the nation ) and by the way why would Turkenistam gross 2 borders to get a port why not one? Why would Oezbekistan want to cross 3 borders to get to a port why not only 2 and believe me people prefere to go through Iran than going through Afganistan. You will see Going to Chabahar means having your goods save in Central asia, Caucasus and Russia, going through Gwadar means the risk of warlords in Afganistan.
true
Parth May 12th, 2006, 01:18 AM Are you forgetting the Wakhan corridor? ...
If you are talking about the narrow strip of Afghanistan to its north east , then one should know that it is covered by snow for almost whole of the year.
This terrain thru Pamirs & Hindukush is not a viable route for a oil pipeline.
We can also tap into Russia but you guys do not have China which needs this route very much! ...
Russia has its own oil fields and pipelines. They won't let anybody 'tap' them for oil.
shayan May 13th, 2006, 10:49 AM A nother thing is that Iran borders the Caspian sea Iran doesnt need to cross countries who are unstable to get its stuff to other places, we can ship to, Russia, Kazachstan, Oezbekistan in the caspian and we can bring by land to Afganistan, Turkenistan ( direct border) and we can bring to Tajikistan by going through Turkenistan a saver way that going through Afghanistan something Pakistan has to fo all the time before it can get to any country in central asia.
UnitedPakistan May 14th, 2006, 05:07 PM You havent answered my questions about stability in Iran. Perhaps you need to be reminded that Iran is not viewed very positively by the world at this point.
Having a country is your bag is a wrong way to call it ( its disrespectfull for the nation ) and by the way why would Turkenistam gross 2 borders to get a port why not one? Why would Oezbekistan want to cross 3 borders to get to a port why not only 2 and believe me people prefere to go through Iran than going through Afganistan. You will see Going to Chabahar means having your goods save in Central asia, Caucasus and Russia, going through Gwadar means the risk of warlords in Afganistan.
No, that is not a bad way to refer to a nation. You are simply implying that you have got them in a contract. Uzbekistan has also shown intrest and they are looking foward to investing immediatly. The wakhan corridor has less of a population because of the enviroment but we can definetly build a road or have them go through China and just go on to the KKH. So you are wrong in implying that we will have trouble with warlords and fools.
If you are talking about the narrow strip of Afghanistan to its north east , then one should know that it is covered by snow for almost whole of the year.
This terrain thru Pamirs & Hindukush is not a viable route for a oil pipeline.
So is the Kunjerb Pass but that doesnt affect the China-Pakistan trade. The are already building TAP so I really do not know what the point of your post was...More of your anti Pakistani sentiment you showed in the skybar?
A nother thing is that Iran borders the Caspian sea Iran doesnt need to cross countries who are unstable to get its stuff to other places, we can ship to, Russia, Kazachstan, Oezbekistan in the caspian and we can bring by land to Afganistan, Turkenistan ( direct border) and we can bring to Tajikistan by going through Turkenistan a saver way that going through Afghanistan something Pakistan has to fo all the time before it can get to any country in central asia.
So people will pay even more money to have it shipped on the sea and then have it transported on land to Chahbahar? I do not think that would be very profitable. Are you forgetting that we can use China as well to tap into some of those countries. As soon as the coalition leaves Afghanistan we can start getting ISI to infiltrate their government. We can then impose more force on Afghanistan's government to secure thier country. Afterall, Afghanistan's lifeline is Pakistan.
shayan May 14th, 2006, 05:21 PM no need to discuss this with you, the simple fact is that the Iranian geografical situation is better so thats a advantage.
UnitedPakistan May 14th, 2006, 10:40 PM If you feel defensive then I will pull back.
shayan May 14th, 2006, 11:12 PM no i feel atacked. Pull back because you are starting to cross the red line between talking with fact and speculations.
I´m coming with simple facts and you answe with speculations.
For example you said that it would be more expensive to ship from Chahbahar by truck to the capian and put it on a ship, but one thing you dont know is that its also expensive for pakistan to construct a non existing infrastructure in afghanistan. Iran will save money by putting its stuff on a ship to ship to russia and kazachtan just because the infrastructure in Turkmenistan and Oezbekistan is so bad to update it it will just cost much more. Again im coming with fact and i guess you will start speculations again.
UnitedPakistan May 15th, 2006, 12:07 AM For example you said that it would be more expensive to ship from Chahbahar by truck to the capian and put it on a ship, but one thing you dont know is that its also expensive for pakistan to construct a non existing infrastructure in afghanistan.
WHAT?
The costs required to truck shipments to the caspian sea and then ship them off to Iran and then truck them again to chahbahar will be expensive. Even if you use rail! Now these are costs that would effect the business's. These are not expenses for Iran. Once again most of the infastructure is there. We just need to work with countries Northwest of Afghanistan. And have you ever heard of the Asia 1 highway? The infastructure will be built and it will help lower costs for the business not increase them.
Iran will save money by putting its stuff on a ship to ship to russia and kazachtan just because the infrastructure in Turkmenistan and Oezbekistan is so bad to update it it will just cost much more. Again im coming with fact and i guess you will start speculations again.
How am I coming with speculations? The KKH is already built connecting Pakistan and China. It is in China's best intrests to use the KKH when trading with CAR's. So we can use China and we can build infastructure in Afghanistan. This is fact not speculation. Or more so common sense...
If you feel attacked by the facts then debating is useless.
shayan May 15th, 2006, 12:14 AM I´m not coming with speculations its a fact that the central asian infrastructure sucks, i think you have a better tone in your last post so i dont feel atacked. I think i have to find more stuff about Gwadar to judge it better at this moment there isnt enough info out that is based on facts, mostly speculation about how it will look like in 2010 and visionairy ideas. So when the facts are out it will be better to judge.
UnitedPakistan May 15th, 2006, 12:28 AM The facts are already out...
The only speculation on the articles on Gwadar is how it will effect the city. The rest are facts...
Such as the projects being built.
The intresting thing is that when you google Chahbahar you barely find anything on intl news sites. Looks like it isnt marketted well..
Gilgamesh May 15th, 2006, 12:38 AM The intresting thing is that when you google Chahbahar you barely find anything on intl news sites. Looks like it isnt marketted well..
Well here is something I just found when googling Chabahar. :D
Enjoy. :cheers:
Chabahar best route for transit of goods to Afghanistan
Chabahar, Hormuzgan prov, Nov 24, IRNA
Mahmoud Karzai, brother of Afghan President Hamid Karzai who is currently visiting Iran said on Thursday that Chabahar Free Trade Zone is considered as the best possible route for transfer of goods to Afghanistan.
Karzai who is an Afghan businessman and founder of Afghanistan's International Chamber of Commerce made the remarks during his unofficial visit to the country.
In an exclusive interview with IRNA, he said the aim of his visit was to identify existing capabilities of the Iranian FTZ in commercial field and transit of goods.
"We hope the evaluation of the region's potentials would lead to romotion of trade ties between the two countries," he said.
Describing his visit to Iran as very positive, he said the capabilities and potentials of Chabahar could be effective in raising the volume of trade exchange between Iran and Afghanistan.
The two countries should establish a joint trade center to promote bilateral commercial relations between the two parties, he said.
Since Afghanistan is a land-locked country with no access to free waters, Chabahar FTZ is considered as the best option for transit of goods to and from that country, he said.
During his one-day visit to the region, he inspected various sectors of Chabahar Free Trade and Industrial Zone.
http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-18/0511247462195252.htm
UnitedPakistan May 15th, 2006, 01:10 AM Well here is something I just found when googling Chabahar. :D
Enjoy. :cheers:
Chabahar best route for transit of goods to Afghanistan
Chabahar, Hormuzgan prov, Nov 24, IRNA
Mahmoud Karzai, brother of Afghan President Hamid Karzai who is currently visiting Iran said on Thursday that Chabahar Free Trade Zone is considered as the best possible route for transfer of goods to Afghanistan.
Karzai who is an Afghan businessman and founder of Afghanistan's International Chamber of Commerce made the remarks during his unofficial visit to the country.
In an exclusive interview with IRNA, he said the aim of his visit was to identify existing capabilities of the Iranian FTZ in commercial field and transit of goods.
"We hope the evaluation of the region's potentials would lead to romotion of trade ties between the two countries," he said.
Describing his visit to Iran as very positive, he said the capabilities and potentials of Chabahar could be effective in raising the volume of trade exchange between Iran and Afghanistan.
The two countries should establish a joint trade center to promote bilateral commercial relations between the two parties, he said.
Since Afghanistan is a land-locked country with no access to free waters, Chabahar FTZ is considered as the best option for transit of goods to and from that country, he said.
During his one-day visit to the region, he inspected various sectors of Chabahar Free Trade and Industrial Zone.
http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-18/0511247462195252.htm
Thats because Karzai the mayor of Afghanistan hates Pakistan. I really do not know what we could have traded with Afghanistan anyway :sleepy:
But watch as soon as Karzai that asswipe is out of office the Afghans will start looking towards Pakistan. We have got 4 million of their people living in Pakistan. :runaway:
Gilgamesh May 15th, 2006, 02:18 AM Thats because Karzai the mayor of Afghanistan hates Pakistan. I really do not know what we could have traded with Afghanistan anyway :sleepy:
But watch as soon as Karzai that asswipe is out of office the Afghans will start looking towards Pakistan. We have got 4 million of their people living in Pakistan. :runaway:
Ok, Good Luck then!
Btw we have got 2 million afghans also...
UnitedPakistan May 15th, 2006, 02:41 AM What I find weird is that Karzai has got the coalition running around securing his country while his government is acting friendly towards Iran. Looks like the US's sphere of influence is non-existant in Afghanistan...
UAE May 15th, 2006, 02:46 AM iran has borders with 6 or 7 central asian countries and pakistan only 1 or 2, so obvioulsy iran is better placed geographically to benifit, However pakistan has border with china and thier both friends so this is a huge advantage for pakistan interms of trade with china
shayan May 15th, 2006, 07:27 PM yeah iran has direct links to Kazachstan, Oezbekistan, Turkmenistan, Russia, Afghanistan, Azarbajian, Armenia and Turkey. While Pakistan is only linked to Afghanistan.
shayan May 15th, 2006, 08:07 PM This map shows how Iran is planning to export, Herat is the richest city of Afghanistan for everyones information.
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Parth May 15th, 2006, 10:35 PM As soon as the coalition leaves Afghanistan we can start getting ISI to infiltrate their government. We can then impose more force on Afghanistan's government to secure thier country. Afterall, Afghanistan's lifeline is Pakistan.
We are not leaving Afghanistan any time soon. The withdrawal will happen only when the threat of Taliban is completely vanquished. If they attempt to come back , so will we.
How am I coming with speculations? The KKH is already built connecting Pakistan and China. It is in China's best intrests to use the KKH when trading with CAR's. So we can use China and we can build infastructure in Afghanistan. This is fact not speculation. Or more so common sense...
I think you are speculating. China is already linked to CAR thru raods and railway. There is a regular train between Urumqui ( China ) and Almaty ( Kazakhstan ). Almaty is liked with other CAR capitals thru raods / railways. Why would China go via Pakistan to reach out to CARs. Secondly the road / rail network linking CARs with pak does not exist , while it is there in case of China.
What I find weird is that Karzai has got the coalition running around securing his country while his government is acting friendly towards Iran. Looks like the US's sphere of influence is non-existant in Afghanistan...
Non-existant !!! I am sure that needs a reality check. US is very much in control of Afghanistan and Karzai is doing a good job. It is in the interest of Afghanistan to have peace with both Iran & Pakistan , being a land locked country.
shugs May 21st, 2006, 10:03 PM Oil refinery to be built in Chabahar free trade zone
TEHRAN, May 21 (MNA) -- Preliminary studies aimed at building an oil refinery in Chabahar Free Trade Zone (CFTZ) is underway.
The building of an oil refinery with the capacity of 300,000 barrels per day (bpd) in Chabahar Free Trade Zone will be made possible through $2 billion of finance, the Persian service of IRNA quoted the managing director of the trade zone as saying here on Sunday.
The measure is not only aimed at providing fuel for the ships traversing the Persian Gulf region rather, given the government objectives regarding the expansion of the nation’s maritime fleet which would call for the establishment of a fueling station for the vessels, building a refinery in the region is deemed necessary, the official also explained.
Moreover, he asserted, our neighboring countries such as Pakistan and Afghanistan lack Iran’s potentials for supplying fuel for the ships in the region. “Therefore, by delivering the crude oil from other parts of the country to Chabahar and refining it there we would be able to accomplish the task.”
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SOURCE: http://www.mehrnews.com/en/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=329303
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Gilgamesh May 24th, 2006, 11:00 AM Sometimes I wonder what city this thread is really about. :D
gole_hayahou May 24th, 2006, 02:10 PM haha...
UnitedPakistan May 25th, 2006, 02:18 AM Well we also discuss and post about Chahbahar in our thread so feel free to go to our thread also.
_BPS_ May 25th, 2006, 08:40 AM Can we look at the picture politcally? Would investors really make such an investment in Iran, considering the possible U.S/Israeli conflict against Iran? I will agree that geographically, Iran is in a better position, but politically...? What do you guys think?
Parth May 25th, 2006, 09:08 AM Can we look at the picture politcally? Would investors really make such an investment in Iran, considering the possible U.S/Israeli conflict against Iran? I will agree that geographically, Iran is in a better position, but politically...? What do you guys think?
Unfortunately the same holds true for Pakistan as well. The entire Afghan-Pak region is considered to be terror infested. In case of Iran the issue is political confrontation with USA and in case of Pakistan it is lawlessness.
shayan May 25th, 2006, 12:43 PM BPS its true that if Iran didnt had the confrontation with the west thing (investment, development) would have went faster. But hopefully stuff will calm down over time...
_BPS_ May 26th, 2006, 02:04 AM Well its good to see another Muslim nation prosper. I hope all goes well, and issues with the neighbours settle as well.
UnitedPakistan May 26th, 2006, 03:58 AM Unfortunately the same holds true for Pakistan as well. The entire Afghan-Pak region is considered to be terror infested. In case of Iran the issue is political confrontation with USA and in case of Pakistan it is lawlessness.
Pakistan has been working on its image and has had sucess. Expo Pakistan 2006 was a big hit and the American-Pakistani Business council is pushing investors to invest. This also explains the FDI growth...
pakboy June 3rd, 2006, 03:47 AM chabahar looks quite developed and more then gwadar, they maybe ahead of gwadar right now, but gwadars future is tooo bright.
gwadar has many projects coming up, a huge marriot business park is coming up in the city, there are many many resorts and luxary planned towns under construction in the city allready, and on top of that the port when completed in 2007 would be the 3rd largest port in the world.
the gwadar port is allready attracting huge amounts of foriegn investors, dubai world, Hutchison Port Holdings of Hong Kong, PSA International of Singapore, Globe Marine Services are all interested in managing the port.
and the biggest thing of all is that, china is supporting the city, china themselfs can make the city one of the greatest in the world, the port will allready be importing and exporting goods for west china and the trade here will be 5 times bigger then all the CAS put togeher, gwadar should also capture most of the CAS which would make the trade of gwadar HUGE.
i think iran made a mistake by siding with india, cos they havnt made a top notch port city themselfs and i dnt think they will ever be able to support chabahar like china will support gwadar, china is gona to pour cash into gwadar like water.
pakboy June 3rd, 2006, 03:49 AM another thing would be tourism, would chabahar even allow women to wear bikinis and lift ban on alcohol.
shugs June 3rd, 2006, 04:54 AM ^^ OK mate, whatever... we have no arguement here :cheers:
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Chabahar prepared to become Afghanistan’s transit gateway
TEHRAN, May 31 (MNA) -- The managing director of the Chabahar Free Trade Zone Organization announced on Wednesday that the CFTZO is prepared to conduct trade exchanges with Afghanistan and to transit goods to and from that country.
An Afghan trade delegation recently paid a visit to Chabahar, and economic potential, transit, and cooperation were discussed, Mohammad Saied-Tavakkol said.
During the visit, the articles of association of two Iran-Afghanistan trade and transportation companies were prepared and they will be approved in the near future, he explained.
The two sides also made agreements to sell 50 hectares of CFTZO land to Afghan private sector companies, to establish an Afghan representative office in Chabahar, and to launch a Chabahar-Kabul flight, he added.
In light of the CFTZO’s negotiations with the Oil Ministry on setting up a refinery in Chabahar and transferring gas from Assaluyeh via pipeline, related issues such as trade exchanges and supplying fuel to Afghanistan were also discussed during the visit, he said.
He went on to say that the CFTZO is prepared to establish a joint trade commission with Afghanistan.
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SOURCE: http://www.mehrnews.com/en/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=334295
shayan June 3rd, 2006, 02:59 PM Iran is investing billions in Afganistan there are big expectations for natural resource discoveries over there..
Gumnaam June 6th, 2006, 05:53 PM OMG!...We the Pakistani forumers have polluted this thread >>> [Chabahar Port] - News and Developments, and make it a Chabahar vs. Gwadar thread, which is wrong IMO.
shayan June 6th, 2006, 06:12 PM STOP TALKING ABOUT ONLY GWADAR , Compering OK but not only GWADAR TALK OK?!?!
shugs June 6th, 2006, 11:55 PM Well said Shayan.
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New airport to be built in Chabahar
TEHRAN, June 6 (MNA) -- A new airport will be built in Chabahar in the near future, the managing director of the Chabahar Free Trade Zone Organization (CFTZO) announced on Tuesday.
“Negotiations have been held with the project commissioner of the Imam Khomeini International Airport on the construction of an airport in the Chabahar Free Trade Zone,” Mohammad Saied Tavakkol told ISNA.
Construction of the airport will begin in the next few months and will be funded by the CFTZO, he added.
The construction of a harbor, setting up a petrochemical plant, the launch of a railway, establishing an auto-making factory, and the provision of drinking water are some of the other projects scheduled to be implemented in the free trade zone over the few next months, he said.
In addition, international hotels will be constructed in the free trade zone very soon, Tavakkol noted.
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shayan June 8th, 2006, 05:07 PM Iran also has good ports who serve the country,,, this port is more for other countries than for iran, i mean making Bandare Shahpur and BAndar Abbas bigger would have been much better for Iran itself, but instead iran made the political choice to influence Central asia and develop east Iran by giving it a modern port...
Kashmiri84 June 21st, 2006, 06:10 AM I think Chah Bahar has Gwadar beat in every field. However, I dont think either port will be really successful. Why do Iran and Pakistan pander to Central Asia? CA economies are garbage. If only Pakistan and Iran could improve their bilateral ties instead of letting weak Central Asian states decide Pak-Iran relations.
Gilgamesh August 12th, 2006, 02:04 PM Chabahar Oceanology Base constructed Tehran, Aug 1, IRNA
The first oceanology base affiliated to the National Oceanology Center was constructed in the eastern coast of the port of Chabahar near the Sea of Oman and the Indian Ocean.
Breaking the news, Vahid Chegini, head of the center, said the base will make use of cutting-edge research methodology to collect technical and scientific marine information, reported the
English-language newspaper Iran Daily.
"The research base will play a significant role in establishing a valuable databank at the national, domestic and international levels along the Oman Sea and the Indian Ocean," he said.
Referring to the strategic and geopolitical situation of Iran, providing access to the Persian Gulf, the Sea of Oman and the Caspian Sea waters, Chegini said the base could largely contribute to economic development and national security.
"We should try to exploit the domestic waters as an axis of development," he said.
Chegini noted the base will conduct research in different fields including physics, chemistry, biology and engineering as well as economic and legal issues surrounding seas and oceans.
Chabahar Ocenology Base, with a total area of 7,200 sq.m. and a built- up area of 2,000 sq.m., has been equipped with state-of-the-art laboratories in marine physics, chemistry, biology and geology.
According to Chegini, 13 billion rials have been expended on construction of this base which will officially start work in late September.
Gilgamesh September 24th, 2006, 02:58 AM Construction of Kahir Dam starts in Chabahar
ZAHEDAN, Sistan-Baluchestan Prov. – The construction of Kahir, a gravity dam, started in Chabahar on Wednesday, IRNA reported.
The Kahir Dam, which is to provide drinking water for the people of Chabahar and Konarak, has a 370-meter crest and a reservoir with a 267-million-cubic-meter capacity. The project is being implemented 110 kilometers west of Chabahar, a port city located 700 kilometers south of capital Zahedan.
Gilgamesh September 24th, 2006, 11:54 PM http://i9.tinypic.com/4csbz7o.png http://i9.tinypic.com/2wemcgn.png
Negotiations going on Chabahar- Fahraj railway construction
In a meeting between the Iranian Railways president and India's ambassador in Tehran on Aug. 30.2006, both parties stressed on the importance a of Chabahar–Fahraj railway's construction.
Referring to the memorandum of understanding signed previously between RAI and an Indian consortium on this project, Saeidnejad focused on the importance of rail connection of Chabahar port to the railway network and asked for the serious propelling of the negotiations.
Based on the primary MOU, the share stock of each party is determined as equal %50.
In this meeting India's ambassador also stressed on the importance of Chabahar – Fahraj railway and India's connection to the middle-Asian countries and asked for the continuation of negotiations.
Gilgamesh October 6th, 2006, 08:36 PM Iran woos C Asian as oil export route
ALMATY, Oct 5 (Reuters) - Iran made a pitch yesterday to become a strategic export route for Central Asia’s oil, even as Tehran faces mounting pressure from the West to abandon its nuclear ambitions.
A senior oil ministry official said Iran could more than double the volumes of crude oil it receives under "swap" deals, putting the imported oil through its northern oil refineries and exporting an equivalent amount from its southern ports.
"We can currently handle 200,000 barrels per day of Caspian and Central Asian crude oil - and with minimal cost we can raise that figure to 500,000 barrels per day," Mahmood Khaghani, head of Caspian Sea affairs at the ministry, told a conference. Iran, which offers the shortest direct route for Central Asian oil and gas to international markets, has long sought to woo the energy-rich states that became independent after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.
So far it has had limited success. Iran is internationally isolated and could face sanctions over what the West believes is its goal of building a nuclear bomb.
But with offshore oil production in the Kazakh sector of the Caspian Sea set to soar from 3mn tonnes to nearly 90mn tonnes within a decade, Iran has never quite been ruled out as an export option.
"History has proved that economics shall prevail and politics shall fail," Khaghani told reporters on the fringes of the Kazakhstan International Oil and Gas Exhibition (KIOGE) in Almaty.
Kazakhstan, seeking to diversify away from its dependence on Russia as an export route, is prioritising sending oil exports across the Caspian Sea to the BP-led Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline, which has just entered service.
France’s Total is leading the $4bn Kazakhstan Caspian Transportation System (KCTS), which envisages pumping oil from the giant Kashagan field to the Kazakh port of Kuryk, then shipping it westward across the Caspian Sea to Baku.
"We hope that we will soon reach a commercial agreement on the business structure of this project," Kairgeldy Kabyldin, managing director of transport and service at state oil firm KazMunaiGas, told the conference.
Kabyldin also highlighted expanding the Caspian Pipeline Consortium, which pumps oil from the Chevron-led TengizChevroil field, and expanding a new eastward pipeline to China as priorities of Kazakhstan’s oil export policy.
But Iranian officials reckon the Central Asians will - at the latest by the middle of the next decade - need a major southern export route.
Mohamed Souri, managing director of the National Iranian Tanker Company (NITC), told the conference that Iran was buying six new, larger, tankers to ply the Caspian and would boost the capacity of its Neka oil port.
Souri said Iran wanted to increase imports of Central Asian crude to 370,000 barrels per day, which it would put through its Tehran and Tabriz oil refineries. At a later stage, volumes could be increased to 500,000 bpd, he added.
:cheers:
Gilgamesh December 6th, 2006, 06:00 PM Halophytes to grow on Chabahar FTZ lands for first time
ZAHEDAN, Sistan-Baluchestan - Chabahar Free Trade Zone will be the first place in Iran to grow halophytes, plants which tolerate or even demand sodium chloride concentrations in the soil water they absorb.
Dr. Behrooz Dehdashti from the Department of Biological Sciences, Northern Arizona University, is to contribute to the saltwater farming project, IRNA reported. He has been working on fisheries and agriculture research in the United States for the past 25 years.
“Up to now, some 10,000 plant species have been found that can resist the conditions of a tropical area that only supplies saltwater,” the scholar stated, adding that by implementing the project in Chabahar they can save a major part of the 1.8 billion-rial fund (nearly $195,500) that is used every month to irrigate the green fields in this southeastern Iranian port city.
Gilgamesh December 30th, 2006, 03:08 PM First VP arrives in southeastern port city of Chabahar
Chabahar, Sistan-Baluchestan province, Dec 29, IRNA
First Vice-President Parviz Davoudi and his accompanying delegation arrived in southeastern port city of Chabahar on Friday.
The VP, who is visiting Sistan-Baluchestan province, is to report the progress of projects, which were approved during the Presidents visit to the province.
The latest visit of the President and the government members to the Sistan-Baluchestan province took place last year, in which 66 projects were approved and so far, 60 percent of them have been implemented and the rest 40 percent is being implemented.
Port city of Chabahar is located on the coast of Oman Sea and is 800 kilometers south of Zahedan, the capital of Sistan-Baluchestan.
http://www.chabaharmp.com/images/free.jpg
UnitedPakistan January 27th, 2007, 01:34 AM Since, we have gotten new pictures lets do a comparison of your latest pictures of Chahbahar and Gwadar.:)
And don't let this thread die so lets inject it with some LSD!:banana: :banana: :banana:
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sports complex
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ruksana avenue
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pishukan avenue
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pearl continental hotel
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pasni avenue
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marjan
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marine drive
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jiwani avenue
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jinnah avenue
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hospital
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gorab
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beach park
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GDA office
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GDA housing
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Diplomats from over 40 countries reach Gwadar
Ambassadors see bright future for Gwadar Port
Golden Palms project to be completed by Dec 2007
Chinese companies to invest in Gwadar
Oil city to be established in Gwadar ;Accord signed to set up LNG terminal at Port Qasim
By Khalid Mustafa
ISLAMABAD: The government is all set to establish an 'oil city' with an investment of $40 billion at Gwadar Port to make it the biggest crude and refined oil storage base in the region, a senior government official told The News.
http://www.mystic-media.tv/v2/details.php?prodId=10
http://www.mystic-media.tv/v2/details.php?prodId=9
shayan January 27th, 2007, 08:23 PM WTF! how dare you! this is spam!
UnitedPakistan January 27th, 2007, 10:43 PM WTF! how dare you! this is spam!
What you have just posted is spam since it has no constructive value.:ohno:
*UofT* January 27th, 2007, 11:58 PM :lol:
United Pakistan.. i'm sorry bud but that is spamming, you know it better than anyone else how much the Iranians DO NOT want their Chabahar thread to have anything to do with that is not Chabahar and that is Gwadar included.
These are great pics but i have to agree this thread is more like a Gwadar vs. Chabahar thread rather than just a Chabahar thread.
UnitedPakistan January 28th, 2007, 12:43 AM :lol:
United Pakistan.. i'm sorry bud but that is spamming, you know it better than anyone else how much the Iranians DO NOT want their Chabahar thread to have anything to do with that is not Chabahar and that is Gwadar included.
These are great pics but i have to agree this thread is more like a Gwadar vs. Chabahar thread rather than just a Chabahar thread.
No, you are completely wrong.
Since, we have gotten new pictures lets do a comparison of your latest pictures of Chahbahar and Gwadar.:)
From Shayan:nuts:
STOP TALKING ABOUT ONLY GWADAR , Compering OK but not only GWADAR TALK OK?!?!
jup i´ve asked for pictures :P scoezii
shayan January 28th, 2007, 12:33 PM This is only gwadar! :S you didnt say anything about Chahbahar in your reply and dont act like some kind of a smartass cuz the power of a mod doesnt strech as far as you like it to strech umkaai so get lost with only gwadar talk in this thread you have more than 100000 gwadar threads in your own forum go spam those or spam this one if you want to compaire some things! like post a picture of a hospital in gwadar and one in chahbahar and then compair... THATS COMPAIRING
Gilgamesh January 28th, 2007, 01:57 PM http://www.chabaharmp.com/images/free.jpg
Atleast Chabahar has proper roads. ;)
UnitedPakistan January 28th, 2007, 06:16 PM This is only gwadar! :S you didnt say anything about Chahbahar in your reply and dont act like some kind of a smartass cuz the power of a mod doesnt strech as far as you like it to strech umkaai so get lost with only gwadar talk in this thread you have more than 100000 gwadar threads in your own forum go spam those or spam this one if you want to compaire some things! like post a picture of a hospital in gwadar and one in chahbahar and then compair... THATS COMPAIRING
Since, we have gotten new pictures lets do a comparison of your latest pictures of Chahbahar and Gwadar.:)
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UnitedPakistan January 28th, 2007, 06:17 PM Atleast Chabahar has proper roads. ;)
Alright, well one point for Chabahar but do you have a picture of the actual port facilities?
Gilgamesh January 28th, 2007, 06:57 PM Alright, well one point for Chabahar but do you have a picture of the actual port facilities?
I don't have any pix but there was some of the existing port on the previous page which are not working anymore.
The new port is still under-c and opening of the first of the new terminals is scheduled for early 2008 (phase 1).
http://www.chabaharmp.com/images/schedule.JPG
I realize it's not very credible without pictures but Chabahar is really remote for most Iranians (and they're not connected to the railway grid yet) so a search online for pictures doesnt bring many results. :/
Those pictures of Gwadar are impressive due to the large amount of cons. but it mostly looks like stuff which Chabahar has already built and I must say since Chabahar is a university city I think it still has the upper hand. :P
UnitedPakistan January 28th, 2007, 08:42 PM I don't have any pix but there was some of the existing port on the previous page which are not working anymore.
The new port is still under-c and opening of the first of the new terminals is scheduled for early 2008 (phase 1).
http://www.chabaharmp.com/images/schedule.JPG
I realize it's not very credible without pictures but Chabahar is really remote for most Iranians (and they're not connected to the railway grid yet) so a search online for pictures doesnt bring many results. :/
Those pictures of Gwadar are impressive due to the large amount of cons. but it mostly looks like stuff which Chabahar has already built and I must say since Chabahar is a university city I think it still has the upper hand. :P
Well Pakistan is still marketting the port much better at this point considering we have investments coming in from the oil rich arab states. And we just had a delegation come in to see gwadar. And I am not sure of what cons you are making refrence towards? The only reason Chahbahar has the upper hand in looks is because you started work on it before us and you had better existing infastructure.
This is a really old picture of the actual port facilities...
http://www.gwadarportcity.com/images/imgs/QD0001001.jpg
Housing Scheme:ohno: :nuts: :lol:
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http://www.meinhardt.com.au/media/userimages/imageB3350813049.jpg
From the looks of the Sat pictures it seems like Chahbahar needs better port facilities...
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China pledges $50 billion investment
ARIF RANA
ISLAMABAD (September 08 2006): China has pledged $50 billion investment to Pakistan to develop Gwadar port on the pattern of its Shenzhen port over the next five years. The plan referred by Beijing to Islamabad indicated that Chinese investment for this mega project will come in two phases and its lion share will go to the petrochemical industry.
UnitedPakistan January 28th, 2007, 09:43 PM Gwadar has not JUST started building proper roads. Those pictures were posted in July, without reference to when they were taken. They are indeed the latest pictures that we have found but that does not mean that they are new. You fail to realize that this used to be a small fishing village which is going through a transformation. And I rather have Greenfield development because you can plan the city out more effectively. Your arrogance seems to be blinding you at this point.
Gwadar has many natural advantages that the Gulf lacks. For trade and commerce, Gwadar is a natural access port to Asia. It requires a road laterally to connect to the Iranian port of Chahbahar and thus the Iranian road network, it requires a road connection upto the RCD highway to give it access to not only whole of Central Asia but also South Western China, particularly Sinkiang Province. Because of the Karakoram Highway, it would be more economically feasible for China to have land access to Kashgar etc through Gwadar. Similarly Kyrgystan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhastan, Tajikistan and Turkmenistan can best be served from Gwadar. Obviously Gwadar presently has major hurdles to overcome, among them electricity and potable water. Partly this can be immediately supplied by having a barge-mounted power-cum-desalination plant, partly by having a major utility power base planned, with potable water being piped from not more than 18-20 kms away from a vast river cache formation. The Navy has already got a well-established base of sorts for many years, the Pakistan Coast Guards have a battalion. To give adequate sense of protection, the Pakistan Army could have a composite Brigade Group in a permanent location at Gwadar. As much as America's west was opened up by the US Seventh Cavalry establishing forts in succession, the Pakistan Armed Forces can play a very salutary role here. Everyone knows how defense townships naturally become the hub of ancillary commercial activity.
Sheikh Rashid is working on two projects right now. He is connecting Pakistan and China with rail AND connecting Gwadar with our other rail links. Pakistan has a link with Afghanistan via Landi Kotal as well. I just visited the Khunjerab pass where the Pakistani border and Chinese border meet. The Chinese engineers told me that they were going to make the KKH a 3 lane highway and get a connection to Gwadar eventually.
You seem to be getting defensive but the fact is that Gwadar is marketed very well and it seems to be getting a lot more attention for that reason. Run a Google search on both Gwadar and Chahbahar and you will see what I am talking about. Be assured that China is a reliable investor into the project as well. Singapore got the rights to run the port from what I have read recently. I will now back away from this thread to avoid further confrontation.
And my apologies if it seems like I derailed your thread...
mahdial_x5 January 29th, 2007, 06:31 PM Gilgi, yaaro vagheaaan 59 sallesheh?? BIkareeh???
Gilgamesh February 12th, 2007, 12:15 PM China chooses Chabahar FTZ as best trade zone
Tuesday, February 06, 2007
Chabahar, Sistan-Baluchestan -- IRNA -- An international trade institute in China has chosen Chabahar Free Trade Zone (FTZ) as the best regional free zones, the institute has chosen 20 top industrial and trade zones worldwide to promote investments by Chinese companies, including Chabahar FTZ as one of the best zones in the region.
China has witnessed significant economic development in recent years therefore, "Paying attention to one of Iran's FTZs is of much importance for us", managing director of CFTZ said on Monday.
Chinese economic delegations' recent visits to Chabahar FTZ to confer various fields particularly petrochemical industry, Tavakoli added that China gives priority to the zone because of its valuable location as a proper bridge to access international free waters.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb
China can utilize the zone's potentials to increase the volume of exchanges and link up with Central Asian markets.
Referring to the appropriate progress in gas transfer plan from Asalouyeh to Iranshahr in the vicinity of Bandar Chabahar last year, he said that the region has important programs to create both upstream and downstream petrochemical industries.
Touching on holding a conference attended by important economic countries' mayors and head of banks in China on November 30, 2007, he added that Iran will make efforts to introduce the capacities of Chabahar zone during the exclusive opportunity.
He expressed hope that the zone will play a decisive role in the development of Chinese foreign markets.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=3&article_id=79293
Naresh February 24th, 2007, 01:17 AM .
Gilgamesh :
According to my information Chah Bahar started operating over Twenty Years ago.
Could you please check and advise :
1. The yearly Tonnage of Goods Handled by Chah Bahar along with a breakdown i.e. Imports and Exports.
2. What are the commodities imported and Exported from Chah Bahar? Is Crude Oil one of them?
3. Does Chah Bahar have an Oil Refinery?
4. When will Chah Bahar be able to accomodate and operate the Panamax or Post Panamax Container Ships?
Any other information which you deem pertinent.
Many thanks in advance.
Cheers:cheers:
shugs September 25th, 2007, 03:39 PM Chery to invest in southeastern Iran
Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:45:26
China's biggest automaker, Chery, is keen on investing in Iran's southeastern port city of Chabahar in Sistan-Baluchestan province.
Managing director of the Chabahar Free Zone Organization, Mohammad Taher Baqerizadeh, said talks had been held on the idea with company directors handling business with East European and Asian countries.
A number of Chinese auto manufacturing managers as well as officials from the Chinese Embassy in Tehran will visit the Iranian port city in the near future, he explained.
The Chinese company is initially interested in storing its vehicles in Chabahar, wherefrom they will be transported to their final destinations, the official noted.
In the second phase, the automaker will launch an auto manufacturing factory in Chabahar with the cooperation of Iranian partners to assemble vehicles from complete knocked down (CDK) kits.
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail.aspx?id=24427§ionid=351020102
Persan April 7th, 2008, 07:30 PM India ready to invest in Chahbahar
PRESS TV (http://www.presstv.com/Detail.aspx?id=50571§ionid=3510213) | April 07, 2008
India is ready to invest in the petrochemical, tourism and information technology in Iran's Chahbahar FTZ, India's envoy to Iran says. Considering that the Chahbahar Free Trade Zone is in the process of completing the North-South development corridor, this region is important to India, Munbir Singh said in a meeting with the directors of the Chahbahar Free Trade Zone.
Various Indian teams are currently working to connect Delaram-Zaranj in Afghanistan to Iranian seaports via construction of a strategic road as well as a railroad to increase access to Central Asian markets, IRNA quoted him as saying. Exchange of information between the two sides can be helpful in introducing Chahbahar's potentialities to Indian investors, which would benefit both sides, he noted.
Vast energy reserves, scientific and technological advancements and a consumer market of over 70 million are some of Iran's attractions for Indian investors, the Indian ambassador said.
For his part, Mohammad Taher Baqerizadeh, managing director of the Chahbahar Free Trade Zone, said that given its unique strategic position, Chahbahar would go far in facilitating India's access to her target markets in Central Asia. He also called for the implementation of previously signed agreements between the two sides.
Iran is widely seen as a country of particular importance to India for the possibilities it can offer in terms of India's access to Afghanistan and the Central Asian countries, two theaters in which India seeks to project greater influence.
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