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klamedia January 12th, 2006, 10:49 PM Very good article from someone outside of LA.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/10/AR2006011001179.html
In L.A., Visibility And a Vision
By Harold Meyerson
Wednesday, January 11, 2006; Page A21
LOS ANGELES -- As the local Chamber of Commerce has long been aware, the most breathtaking days in La-La Land are those that follow the midwinter rains. The smog is washed away and the snow-topped mountains that ring the city are abruptly visible, though it may be a balmy 70 degrees throughout the flatlands. On such days, it's easy to understand why America's first filmmakers decided to set up shop here 90 years ago (well, that and the dearth of unionized labor), and why generations of urban visionaries were inspired to sketch grand plans for the City of Angels.
What defines this city, though, is that virtually none of those grand plans came to fruition. Los Angeles set the template for unplanned, sprawling, privatized growth. Time and again, the private defeated the public in the construction of L.A. The city became home to the largest number of backyard swimming pools and the smallest number of public parks. The great architects -- Richard Neutra, Frank Lloyd Wright -- designed private homes, not public buildings. Six years ago, a citywide celebration of the millennium was canceled for lack of a suitable public space.
In the absence of a strong central identity, there was no strong central authority. The mayors of New York and Chicago genuinely affected the lives of their cities, and they were covered accordingly. Not so in Los Angeles. About a dozen years ago, my friend Fred Siegel, the New York urbanologist, visited L.A.'s City Hall and, accustomed to the hubbub surrounding Rudy Giuliani, phoned me in bewilderment upon finding an almost empty press room. "Where is everybody?" he asked plaintively.
That's not a question anybody would ask today. In his first six months on the job, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa has already surpassed his predecessors in one crucial regard: He is visible in his own city. In a media market where until recently most television news operations couldn't find City Hall without Mapquest, this is no small achievement.
Villaraigosa's visibility is partly a consequence of his charisma and life story: He's the mayor with the movie-star looks, the kid who grew up in the projects, the first Latino mayor of an American mega-city. But it's also the result of a relentless public schedule. Villaraigosa may not run to as many fires as did Fiorello LaGuardia, New York's legendary mayor, whose career Villaraigosa has studied, but he continually seems to be speaking in every quadrant of this vast city.
There's more to his visibility, though, than his story and his schedule. For he has become mayor at the very moment when Los Angeles seems finally to have realized that privatized, unplanned sprawl no longer works, that decent private lives depend on a decent public environment. Fifteen years ago, the residents of the city's tony Westside rejected the idea of a subway running down Wilshire Boulevard to the ocean: Their neighborhoods didn't need the transit or the polyglot riders who'd be tromping through their part of town. Today, having spent much of the intervening time stuck in ever-worsening traffic, the Westsiders are calling for a subway, and Villaraigosa is lobbying Washington and Sacramento for the funding.
The quintessential horizontal city is about to go vertical, with 52 new high-rises slated for construction. The mayor preaches the gospel of mixed-use development, of increasing density along the city's bus and current and future rail lines. "I talked about this when I first ran [unsuccessfully] for mayor in 2001, and it didn't resonate the way it does now," Villaraigosa says. "But people are now realizing that the gridlock, the pollution, the long commutes, the lost productivity have brought us to the point where we have to rethink what this city looks like. And we can no longer rely on single-passenger automobiles as our principal means of transportation in L.A.'s future."
In earlier times an elected L.A. official voicing such sentiments would have been considered not just politically self-destructive, but criminally insane. Today Villaraigosa has assembled an activist administration of builders and environmentalists committed simultaneously to densifying and greening the city, to mandating the construction of affordable housing and pocket parks, even to scaling back L.A.'s dependence on the automobile -- and it is winning plaudits all over town. In a city with a huge number of working poor, he's determined that these projects hire locally and pay decently. And he's also announced his intention to take over the city's beleaguered school district.
Villaraigosa is acclimating Los Angeles to the idea that private purposes need a public sphere, and, more elementally, that a mayor can matter. That may be old news in Chicago and New York, but in Los Angeles it's as if the smog has suddenly lifted.
meyersonh@washpost.com
LANative January 13th, 2006, 12:25 AM AV has not even been in office for a year; I would give him a chance. A he's the only L.A. mayor in history to take the subway to work so he can inspire people to do the same; and he's working hard to get more PT in L.A.
FROM LOS ANGELES January 13th, 2006, 01:38 AM I stronlgy feel that AV is going to succeed because he's got that connection to the city, that no other mayor, govenor ect.. has had before. Go AV.
godblessbotox January 13th, 2006, 02:12 AM i havent lived here that long but i would agree that more public transport is a must, took the bus for the first time today and thought it was great but seriously uncomfortable and long... especialy for my comute from burbank to glendale. as far as the parks i dont seem to notice the need in burbank maybe elsewere. and so far i did "AV"
klamedia January 13th, 2006, 05:37 AM AV is only concerned about his jurisdiction. Burbank and Glendale ARE NOT part of the City Of Los Angeles.
http://www.laalmanac.com/LA/lamap2.htm
LANative January 13th, 2006, 08:10 AM Yeah Glendale and Burbank are part of the L.A. metro but its is NOT part of the city of Los Angeles. L.A. is really just a medium sized city.
klamedia January 13th, 2006, 12:12 PM Thanx "LANative" I've been preaching this since I've arrived. When I did finally get around to a map of the actual city, I saw how most people think LA is what it isn't. It isn't Compton, not Long Beach, not Ontario, not Anahiem, not even Inglewood or Culver City. Hell, it aint even West Hollywood. So we all know that major cities have "feeder" cities and surrounding areas, like NYC has Jersey City, Salem, Yonkers, White Plains, all of Long Island, Hoboken and etc. We are no different essentially than any other major city. Why do people think that Glendale and Burbank are LA? They are not! One thing holding back a sensible rapid transit system is that we are too inclusive of other places that really need to rely on their own tax dollars and if they want a subway or light rail,they need to start building on their end and we will meet them halfway!
Fuck this idea that we are LA the whole 1660 sq miles of us. No! LA is only 465 sq miles or so and that is enough to deal with. Not Chicago 212 sq miles(compact). Not Houston at over 600 sq miles(large). But at 465 sq miles a reasonably sized city that can still handle growth.
AV is great because he really makes a point to focus just on the city, not the county.
LANative January 13th, 2006, 05:58 PM No problem klamedia. I remember you mentioning that hundreds of times but I myself already knew what was L.A. and what isn't. If they have their own mayor, police and fire department, than its pretty obvious that they have nothing to do with L.A. And one more thing you should know, L.A. does not have a Disneyland but im sure you know that already because some people don't.
klamedia January 13th, 2006, 07:08 PM For that matter, LA doesn't even have a Universal Citywalk. Although some of these are quasi-cities that rely on the county for its firedept. and police.
When other cities come over to the LA forum their main bow and arrow is LA is all sprawl. That's not true. NY's metro area is much larger than LA's and believe it or not so is Chicago's, as defined by the US census bureau and what they consider metropolitan areas. http://www.demographia.com/db-uauscan.htm
(I used "demographia" just because it is an easier site to manuever around than the actual census bureau site).
I've seen my fellow forumers even agree with these people and be like "yeah, LA is all sprawl".
The best way I've found, really the only fair way, is to take a sq mile portion of a city and compare that with a sq mile portion of another city. LA never tops NYCs highest density but is comparable to some places in Brooklyn and Queens.
For someone to argue that LA is low density calculating that by its overall size is just a ceremonial jackass that doesn't understand that LA encompasses some mountain ranges, 0 density, some high desert, very low density and a polluted port, should be no density but it aint.
dweebo2220 January 13th, 2006, 10:07 PM I think with all this los angeles-specific growth, we're gonna have to start calling only Los Angeles "LA," which will be a major change from the past 50 years, but I'm fine with it.
I'll just say I'm from LA county.
dweebo2220 January 13th, 2006, 10:10 PM By the way I always enjoy your posts Klamedia.
My college friends are all New Yorkers who've only ever been to like Dana Point or Santa Monica for a day, and they all think it's weird I actually like this cultural wasteland.
klamedia January 14th, 2006, 01:47 AM Word! Dana Point??? That's like me going to visit New York City and only going to Poughkeepsie! "Damn! Nu Yoke City sho'l is ded?!/" :crazy2:
godblessbotox January 14th, 2006, 02:07 AM jesus... i didnt know you guys were so possessive...
its all one city to me
LANative January 14th, 2006, 03:05 AM Yeah it may seem like that because all the independent cities are surrounded by L.A.
Facial January 14th, 2006, 04:51 AM AV is a great man
Fern~Fern* January 14th, 2006, 06:28 AM I think with all this los angeles-specific growth, we're gonna have to start calling only Los Angeles "LA," which will be a major change from the past 50 years, but I'm fine with it.
I'll just say I'm from LA county.
It sounds weird to call it LA County. I'm use to just calling LA, no matter what part of LA your from. Remember We-Ho, BH, CC, SM, Glen, Bur, SF, HP, LBC, Cmpt, and many other cities never claim LA County. They simply claim that they are LA. Maybe Pom, Clair, Azusa, Lan, Palmd, Norwalk, and those way out there cities might claim LA County. County takes the glamour off LA for some reason. :nono:
LANative January 14th, 2006, 07:09 AM And don't their all part of the L.A. metro
klamedia January 14th, 2006, 02:57 PM I think we need to be specific because many of these cities became independent and will stay independant to distance themselves from LA the city, but yet want to associate themselves with LA when it benefits them.
Listen, I don't particularly want to be responsible for Azusa or Pomona on a civic level. My mayor wants to densify, add more green space and push the transit system in my city, and I'm in agreement with him. The outlying cities have historically wanted to stay single family home orientated, low dense with a swimming pool in the backyard making public parks almost obsolete, save for baseball. I don't want my city, an international city of the first order, held back anymore by these stupid little NIMBY enclaves. If we have to deal with you on a county level, so be it. Unfortunately that's the structure of the government. I'm going to be a civic nazi here. I think BH, SM, and Weho should be forcibally annexed. Especially BH! The grief they have brought this city alone should be reason for a takeover.
redspork02 January 15th, 2006, 12:27 AM I think we need to be specific because many of these cities became independent and will stay independant to distance themselves from LA the city, but yet want to associate themselves with LA when it benefits them.
Listen, I don't particularly want to be responsible for Azusa or Pomona on a civic level. My mayor wants to densify, add more green space and push the transit system in my city, and I'm in agreement with him. The outlying cities have historically wanted to stay single family home orientated, low dense with a swimming pool in the backyard making public parks almost obsolete, save for baseball. I don't want my city, an international city of the first order, held back anymore by these stupid little NIMBY enclaves. If we have to deal with you on a county level, so be it. Unfortunately that's the structure of the government. I'm going to be a civic nazi here. I think BH, SM, and Weho should be forcibally annexed. Especially BH! The grief they have brought this city alone should be reason for a takeover.
dUDE I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. but i just simply call the area around the city L.A. also. SM, BH,WEHO,PAS,MANB. NOT LONG BEACH OR ANYWHERE FAR. MPOV I GUESS JUST A 10 MILE RADIUS
LAminuteman August 6th, 2007, 04:13 AM alot of talk but he hasn't acomplished anything other than his sexual conquests and turning LA into a 3rd world dump.
Fern~Fern* August 6th, 2007, 05:49 AM alot of talk but he hasn't acomplished anything other than his sexual conquests and turning LA into a 3rd world dump.
^^ Doesn't it remind you of Tel Aviv? :hilarious
klamedia August 6th, 2007, 06:47 AM I must say that he is slippin'. Let's hope he can get his shit together.
croyboy August 6th, 2007, 06:33 PM ^^ i feel the same, but no other candidate for mayor would even come close to trying what AV so often preaches about. bigger things need to take place and quickly. our patience is really being tried here.
Robert Stark August 6th, 2007, 07:11 PM If you truly want to fix this city, you must put your money where your mouth is and contribute to my campaign. The reason is that, as a practical matter, the price of an “admission ticket” to the mayoral race is $150,000. That’s because the law requires a candidate to raise $150,000, in contributions of $500 or less, to qualify for “matching funds” and participate in the televised debates. The local media, moreover, ignore candidates unless they raise that sum.
I learned that the hard way, by running for mayor in 2005 without trying to raise the $150,000. (Man, was that a rookie mistake!) The good news is that, even though I was excluded from the televised debates and mainstream media coverage, I managed to get 11,409 votes. That’s more votes than most City Council Members have received, including Reyes, Greuel, LaBonge, Cardenas, Alarcon, Parks, Perry, Wesson and Huizar. Post-election figures likewise show that voters who heard my message embraced it: I received 12 times more votes per dollar spent than my opponents.
Every $11,120 that I spent translated 1% of the vote. At that rate, I could win over 50% of the vote by raising just $278,000 from voters, and receiving an equal amount in matching funds.
So I can win the next election, provided you help me raise the $150,000 for the “admission ticket.” Let’s fix this city together, shall we? Put your money where your mouth is and contribute today. Los Angeles can and should be the envy of the world. Instead, our city is a mess, and it gets worse each month. We can’t afford four more years of a mayor who spends all his time running for the next office, staging photo-ops and going on out-of-town trips. We need a competent, full-time working mayor who takes the job seriously, not a career politician. Villaraigosa must go. Contribution Update 8/5/07
Received: $42,014. Still Needed For TV Debates: $107,986 That’s where I come in.
My name is Walter Moore and I’m running for mayor. I’m not a career politician. I work for a living. I’m a 48-year-old business trial lawyer and a licensed real estate broker. I graduated with honors from Princeton University and Georgetown Law, and have a degree in Public and International Affairs. My platform sets forth specific policy proposals on traffic, crime, illegal immigration, rent control, excessive taxes, and a raft of other problems. In March 2007, I filed the forms required by the City Ethics Commission to raise money for my campaign.
That’s where you come in.Even better: people who heard me debate the other candidates overwhelmingly preferred me. After radio station KABC 790 broadcast one such debate, I received 65% of the listeners’ vote at the station’s website, with the remaining 35% divided among my five opponents. Sixty-five percent in a six-way race isn’t just victory, it’s a landslide.
phattonez August 7th, 2007, 01:05 AM Yes minuteman, the Grand Ave. project would be built in a city that is a dump.
MattMKL August 7th, 2007, 02:51 AM alot of talk but he hasn't acomplished anything other than his sexual conquests and turning LA into a 3rd world dump.
Why the hell are you still here man? Get moving to Montana already.
Fern~Fern* August 7th, 2007, 03:38 AM [QUOTE=Robert Stark;14655685
My name is Walter Moore and I’m running for mayor. I’m not a career politician. I work for a living. I’m a 48-year-old business trial lawyer and a licensed real estate broker. I graduated with honors from Princeton University and Georgetown Law, and have a degree in Public and International Affairs. My platform sets forth specific policy proposals on traffic, crime, illegal immigration, rent control, excessive taxes, and a raft of other problems. In March 2007, I filed the forms required by the City Ethics Commission to raise money for my campaign.
^ Maybe Walter has some excellent ideas to make Los Angeles a better place to live. Unfortunately when you start pin pointing and making people less than what they really are, your only making yourself look foolish and a racist. Which would entitle you to No Votes, No Financial backing and support from main stream Voters. Maybe only those who think and believe alike would chip in. Most of us want to live in harmony and learn from one another, that 1955 racist shit is soooo out!!!
Robert Stark August 7th, 2007, 05:35 AM [QUOTE=Robert Stark;14655685
My name is Walter Moore and I’m running for mayor. I’m not a career politician. I work for a living. I’m a 48-year-old business trial lawyer and a licensed real estate broker. I graduated with honors from Princeton University and Georgetown Law, and have a degree in Public and International Affairs. My platform sets forth specific policy proposals on traffic, crime, illegal immigration, rent control, excessive taxes, and a raft of other problems. In March 2007, I filed the forms required by the City Ethics Commission to raise money for my campaign.
^ Maybe Walter has some excellent ideas to make Los Angeles a better place to live. Unfortunately when you start pin pointing and making people less than what they really are, your only making yourself look foolish and a racist. Which would entitle you to No Votes, No Financial backing and support from main stream Voters. Maybe only those who think and believe alike would chip in. Most of us want to live in harmony and learn from one another, that 1955 racist shit is soooo out!!!
opposed to the mayor's racist shit?
hornnieguy August 7th, 2007, 05:56 AM Why don't you just get the hell out of North America. You are not native anyway.
CITYofDREAMS August 7th, 2007, 08:11 AM LAminuteman should change his custom user title to "Live and Die in LA" instead of "Leaving LA"... He just doesn't seem to be moving anywhere.
Fern~Fern* August 7th, 2007, 02:53 PM [QUOTE=;14663240]
opposed to the mayor's racist shit?
^ Now your talking out of your ass.... but do explain?
Robert Stark August 7th, 2007, 11:14 PM [QUOTE=Robert Stark;14664564]
^ Now your talking out of your ass.... but do explain?
a pictures worth a 1000 words:
Mecha Boy
http://ccir.net/Images/villaraigosaMexMarcha1996.jpg
May 22, 2001
====================================
To: ADL (Anti-Defamation League)
Dear Mr. Lehrer:
Monday evening, KABC-TV ran what I believe was an intentionally biased version of an interview they had done with me earlier in the day. They referred to this story as "Campaign of Hate", which implied that my mayorno.com website and my telephone solicitation was waging a hate campaign, which is quite the opposite of the truth. Ironically, the MayorNo.com website's primary and only objective is to focus on exposing un-American and anti-Semitic hate groups within the Latino community, and possible ties between Antonio Villaraigosa and one or more of these groups.
Last year, before I launched the MayorNo.com site, I forwarded examples of "Raza" organizations' Antisemitic material to the ADL. I was shocked that the Latino community may harbor the kind of anti-Semitic sentiments that were reflected in the documents. I was more shocked that the ADL did not respond. I'm sure you get hundreds of ranting warnings about racist activities, however it is one of your sworn duties to sift through all the leads, and separate the truth from the unsubstantiated claims. If my information was wrong or somehow inaccurate, I would have expected a letter back from you saying that you researched it and there was little or no such racist sentiment among Latino groups. I would have accepted that from you, and thanked you for getting to the bottom of it.
Once again, I previously sent you these two articles, which I feel have strong racist overtones or worse:
<http://www.mayorno.com/Nation.html> and
<http://www.mayorno.com/aztlan2.html>
With all respect, did you have the ADL study these articles, and did you or did you not come to the same conclusion that I did?
It was only after the ADL (who are hopefully the champions of anti-racism) wouldn't take the time to do what it is supposed to do, that I was inspired to launch the MayorNo.com site. Because the research I did also (surprisingly) implicates Villaraigosa, I called for Villaraigosa to condemn the Raza racism, but he (even more surprisingly) refuses. Is my effort to draw Villaraigosa's racist past out into the open "hate" rhetoric like KABC implied? I don't hate, or even know the guy. I just saw that he MIGHT have some connection to racist activities, and wanted to get to the bottom of it. That's all.
I admit that I'm only an average man, without the polish and the PR skills to play in the big leagues of politics. I may come on far too strong, and I may appear a little too passionate about my beliefs...as such I'm ripe to be called a crackpot as a quick defense by anyone who doesn't want to hear what I'm shouting about. Sir, I have a whole website full of documented articles and evidence (directly from these Raza groups themselves), that you should look at even if my personal style or approach is "outside the box" or distasteful to you. Whether you think I'm off my rocker or not, for the sake of your conscience just please look through the following portions of THEIR website, information written by the Raza groups themselves:
For example, the website La Voz de Aztlan posts these:
http://www.aztlan.net/drinko.htm
http://www.aztlan.net/holocoust.htm
http://www.aztlan.net/razajews.htm
The point of my mayorno.com website, as far as the mayoral election goes, is that Mr. Villaraigosa absolutely refuses to publicly repudiate by name any Raza organization no matter how vicious the group's Anti-Semitism is. It appears as though he's trying to maintain his political status with them, no matter the cost or the hate he must be allied with. I would also ask that you say what the ADL's position on the Anti-Semitic Raza organizations are. If ADL had responded to my initial queries, this would not be an issue. But what am I to make of the ADL's non-response to hard evidence about the (admittedly surprising) ties between Villaraigosa and Raza racism? If the racist literature from the Raza groups had instead come from skinheads in Idaho then would that be the type of racism that ADL opposes?
Please reply to me, Mr. Lehrer, I honestly want to know what the ADL's feeling is about the evidence I have collected, regardless of whether the ADL sees me as credible or not. This is a textbook example of the type of information your organization should be concerned with, regardless of whether it pans out or not.
Most Sincerely,
Hal Netkin
Fern~Fern* August 8th, 2007, 03:03 AM [QUOTE=Ferneynism;14670271]
a pictures worth a 1000 words:
Mecha Boy
http://ccir.net/Images/villaraigosaMexMarcha1996.jpg
May 22, 2001
====================================
To: ADL (Anti-Defamation League)
Dear Mr. Lehrer:
Monday evening, KABC-TV ran what I believe was an intentionally biased version of an interview they had done with me earlier in the day. They referred to this story as "Campaign of Hate", which implied that my mayorno.com website and my telephone solicitation was waging a hate campaign, which is quite the opposite of the truth. Ironically, the MayorNo.com website's primary and only objective is to focus on exposing un-American and anti-Semitic hate groups within the Latino community, and possible ties between Antonio Villaraigosa and one or more of these groups.
Last year, before I launched the MayorNo.com site, I forwarded examples of "Raza" organizations' Antisemitic material to the ADL. I was shocked that the Latino community may harbor the kind of anti-Semitic sentiments that were reflected in the documents. I was more shocked that the ADL did not respond. I'm sure you get hundreds of ranting warnings about racist activities, however it is one of your sworn duties to sift through all the leads, and separate the truth from the unsubstantiated claims. If my information was wrong or somehow inaccurate, I would have expected a letter back from you saying that you researched it and there was little or no such racist sentiment among Latino groups. I would have accepted that from you, and thanked you for getting to the bottom of it.
Once again, I previously sent you these two articles, which I feel have strong racist overtones or worse:
<http://www.mayorno.com/Nation.html> and
<http://www.mayorno.com/aztlan2.html>
With all respect, did you have the ADL study these articles, and did you or did you not come to the same conclusion that I did?
It was only after the ADL (who are hopefully the champions of anti-racism) wouldn't take the time to do what it is supposed to do, that I was inspired to launch the MayorNo.com site. Because the research I did also (surprisingly) implicates Villaraigosa, I called for Villaraigosa to condemn the Raza racism, but he (even more surprisingly) refuses. Is my effort to draw Villaraigosa's racist past out into the open "hate" rhetoric like KABC implied? I don't hate, or even know the guy. I just saw that he MIGHT have some connection to racist activities, and wanted to get to the bottom of it. That's all.
I admit that I'm only an average man, without the polish and the PR skills to play in the big leagues of politics. I may come on far too strong, and I may appear a little too passionate about my beliefs...as such I'm ripe to be called a crackpot as a quick defense by anyone who doesn't want to hear what I'm shouting about. Sir, I have a whole website full of documented articles and evidence (directly from these Raza groups themselves), that you should look at even if my personal style or approach is "outside the box" or distasteful to you. Whether you think I'm off my rocker or not, for the sake of your conscience just please look through the following portions of THEIR website, information written by the Raza groups themselves:
For example, the website La Voz de Aztlan posts these:
http://www.aztlan.net/drinko.htm
http://www.aztlan.net/holocoust.htm
http://www.aztlan.net/razajews.htm
The point of my mayorno.com website, as far as the mayoral election goes, is that Mr. Villaraigosa absolutely refuses to publicly repudiate by name any Raza organization no matter how vicious the group's Anti-Semitism is. It appears as though he's trying to maintain his political status with them, no matter the cost or the hate he must be allied with. I would also ask that you say what the ADL's position on the Anti-Semitic Raza organizations are. If ADL had responded to my initial queries, this would not be an issue. But what am I to make of the ADL's non-response to hard evidence about the (admittedly surprising) ties between Villaraigosa and Raza racism? If the racist literature from the Raza groups had instead come from skinheads in Idaho then would that be the type of racism that ADL opposes?
Please reply to me, Mr. Lehrer, I honestly want to know what the ADL's feeling is about the evidence I have collected, regardless of whether the ADL sees me as credible or not. This is a textbook example of the type of information your organization should be concerned with, regardless of whether it pans out or not.
Most Sincerely,
Hal Netkin
Mecha is only like an organization with no racist thoughts! Besides the Mayor is Latino.... I still don't get where the racist part kicks in dude? :dunno:
LAminuteman August 8th, 2007, 03:48 AM [QUOTE=Robert Stark;14678479]
Mecha is only like an organization with no racist thoughts! Besides the Mayor is Latino.... I still don't get where the racist part kicks in dude? :dunno:
whats racist about Walter Moore?
LAminuteman August 8th, 2007, 03:49 AM [QUOTE=Robert Stark;14655685
My name is Walter Moore and I’m running for mayor. I’m not a career politician. I work for a living. I’m a 48-year-old business trial lawyer and a licensed real estate broker. I graduated with honors from Princeton University and Georgetown Law, and have a degree in Public and International Affairs. My platform sets forth specific policy proposals on traffic, crime, illegal immigration, rent control, excessive taxes, and a raft of other problems. In March 2007, I filed the forms required by the City Ethics Commission to raise money for my campaign.
^ Maybe Walter has some excellent ideas to make Los Angeles a better place to live. Unfortunately when you start pin pointing and making people less than what they really are, your only making yourself look foolish and a racist. Which would entitle you to No Votes, No Financial backing and support from main stream Voters. Maybe only those who think and believe alike would chip in. Most of us want to live in harmony and learn from one another, that 1955 racist shit is soooo out!!!
whats racist about Walter Moore?
Robert Stark August 8th, 2007, 03:56 AM Nightmare Racism and Open Call for Revolution:
Alex Jones Reports on Mexican Independence Day in Austin, Texas
Demonstrators’ Shirts Made Reference to the Plan of San Diego, a Genocide Operation against Whites over 16
Infowars.com | September 19, 2005
By Alex Jones
I am extremely depressed and have the feeling of being struck by a thunderbolt. Words cannot describe what I witnessed. For that reason, as the pain of what I’ve seen will take some time to percolate and dissipate, this is going to be part one of a three part series.
First off, anyone who knows me and the body of my work knows that I stand up for the little guy. Whether it’s innocent black farmers in Tulia, Texas being framed by racist white cops, or innocent Hispanic youth laboring in the modern slave fields of corporate prisons, I’m there standing up for them.
Earlier this year, when a young Hispanic man named Daniel Rocha was shot in the back for absolutely no reason by a female APD officer, I called for her indictment. I interviewed multiple organizations that were trying to get the word out about his tragic death.
I have protested the Klu Klux Klan at least 10 times – and by protest I don’t mean that I’ve trailed along in the back of a counter rally.
I have led demonstrations. I have bullhorned the toothless ne’er-do-wells at point blank range and have been the target of their death threats right in front of the police, who did nothing.
When a young black girl was falsely accused of abusing a baby, we rallied to her cause and she was found not-guilty. When US Marines shot the young Texas goat herder, Esequiel "Zeke" Hernandez, we sent cameras to the border and did dozens of reports on the case.
If I attempted to give you a bibliography of everything I’ve done in defense of the disadvantaged, it would fill a volume.
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THE ALEX JONES REPORT
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This Episode features footage of the Dies Y Seis rally along with video from previous events at which Alex Jones Protested rabid racists
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What is the point I’m making? I don’t have any guilt. I don’t dislike people because of where they’re from or because of their race. I work hard every day of my life to fight tyranny and corruption in places high and low to defend the dignity of the human spirit.
For many years, I have been aware of the Atzlan reconquista movement, which openly states that it wishes to take over the United States Southwest from California to Louisiana, reunite it with Mexico and forcibly drive out all whites, as well as many blacks, from these states. Rabid hatred of America, Texas and whites is evident in over a third of Dies y Seis marchers personally poled by Texans for Freedom
Then I began to learn that Dies y Seis celebrations around the country, which in the past were simply fun equivalents of a Mexican Saint Patrick’s Day, were being infiltrated by extremist Mexican hate groups.
I talked to some of the groups that were planning to participate in the Dies y Seis parade through downtown Austin this year and it only reaffirmed my previous research that there was a powerful revolutionary core to these groups dedicated to overthrowing Texas and setting up a racial state.
Being a minority (that’s right, whites are now the minority in Texas and in five other states), this was of great concern to me. I put the call out a day before the parade to my radio listeners that all Americans who understood the threat of the reconquistas and their corporate funders in Washington should assemble in front of the Capitol to simply educate other well-meaning celebrants who hadn’t realized that the Atzlan crowd had co-opted their parade.
Our press release that was sent to the media clearly stated that we were there to expose racist groups that were preaching their message in the Hispanic community, and that these groups were creating division that was detrimental to everyone.
Of course, this meant absolutely nothing to the corporate media, who universally went with the line (in four different news stations’ reports and in different newspapers) that what happened was a clash between minutemen (there wasn’t one minuteman in attendance) and loving, wonderful, pure, sweet, innocent people who “just wanted to celebrate Mexican independence.”
The controlled media continued their lies by running multiple quotes by parade marchers and Congressman Lloyd Doggett that basically anyone questioning anything was a Klu Klux Klan member.
Our crowd of about a hundred consisted of at least 15 Hispanics and 10 blacks. We have actual TV news reports that show some of these Hispanics and blacks who were with our protest in which they are falsely depicted as being with the other side. In one news clip by News 8 Austin, a young Hispanic girl is wearing an infowars "tyranny response team" t-shirt, but the clip implies that she was protesting us (while she’s talking on my bullhorn).
Why does the corporate media have such a stake in making this a white vs. brown debate? Answer: divide and conquer.
(Oh, by the way, if any damages are accrued by these lies, people are going to get sued. Folks who know our history know that’s not a bluff.)
What did we witness? Why am I so upset?
At least a third of the participants we talked to said that Texas was Mexico and that they were taking over. Of this third their responses ranged from a belief that our two countries would merge into one nation to that all whites would be killed and that the entirety of the Americas would only be for “indigenous peoples.”
Of course the haters shouting all of this had European Spanish blood coursing through their veins.
In parts two and three, I will detail the long trail of horrors that I witnessed as well as posting a lengthy video report documenting our claims. We have ten hours of footage from four cameras, which includes people frothing and screaming racist comments and then calling us racists for saying that we should all live together in peace.
Near the end of the melee, one of my Hispanic friends walked over to me and began pointing out people wearing shirts promoting the author of the Plan of San Diego. Another friend who has taken Latin-American studies pointed out another shirt directly mentioning the Plan of San Diego.
Folks, every time I think I know everything about Texas history, I learn how ignorant I am. I asked my friends what the Plan of San Diego was and they told me that it was a plan in Northern Mexico and throughout the Southwest hatched in 1915 that called for the genocide of all white males over 16.
I’ve known my friends for many years, but I couldn’t believe them. I got home and spent three hours on the Internet at the University of Texas’ historical website, at other universities’ websites in Mexico and Illinois, and on the website of the Hispanic Historical Society.
What I learned chilled me. They didn’t just write up a plan, they acted upon it, killing at least 21 white males in South Texas in cold-blooded murder. We’re talking helter-skelter, Charlie Manson-type cold-blooded murder of random white ranchers and farmers: cornering people and hacking them up.
I then found websites making excuses for it by saying, “well, whites did this to natives…” Yes they did. Select military units did, which should have been brought to justice for their actions. And I’ve spoken out against them, be it at Wounded Knee or in Waco.
Think about it: full-grown adult men with their families wearing shirts calling for the killing of all white males above 16. Will there be a genetic test? Will Hispanics who are more than half white be killed? How far will this racial state go?
This is the nightmare of tribalism. As this intensifies it’s only going to create friction on both sides. None of us are going to be safe, whether we’re from India, Mexico or Germany.
Speaking of Germany, the German government got wind of the plan of San Diego, endorsed it in 1917 and attempted to fund an insurrection in the United States during WWI. The same thing happened during WWII.
According to Hispanic Historical Society’s website, throughout most of early Texas history, Hispanics and whites got along wonderfully (this is obvious as many of the founders of Texas and its solders were Tejano) but after repeated wars and skirmishes with Mexico and the increased publicity of the plan of San Diego a racist sentiment against innocent Hispanics exploded.
We cannot let that happen here. We have got to get the Hispanic community to expose these vipers in their midst. The Federal government, in the name of “keeping us all safe from each other,” would love to use something like this as an excuse to set up an incredibly powerful police state.
I don’t want Hispanics looking at whites with fear, nor do I want whites looking at Hispanics with fear. We’re all human beings. Empires have always sought to "divide and conquer" their populations to manipulate.
The reconquista movement has big corporate funding. In almost every case we’ve researched, rich white men are behind the neo-Aztec movement. One businessman in California bought almost 700 signs telling the public that Los Angeles is now Mexico. This is an attempt to create false pride by which people can be easily steered.
Part Two coming soon.
Reconquista (Mexico)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Originally applied to the 700 year effort to retake Iberia from the Islamic Moors, Reconquista today refers to an explicit agenda of M.E.Ch.A. (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan) to retake lands from the U.S. which once belonged to Mexico. This would include Texas, California, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah and parts of Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas, and Oklahoma, all of which were ceded by Mexico under terms of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848.
The primary method for this 'reconquest' is demographic. By means of legal and illegal immigration from Mexico and Central America, and by means of high birthrates among non-White Hispanics, the non-non-White Hispanic population will be reduced to a minority which can be voted out of power and influence. While nominally nonviolent this will force African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Native-Americans and European-Americans out of what will be called Aztlan.
Reconquista is not integrationist or assimilationist, but rather is separatist and explicitly racial. M.E.Ch.A.'s motto translates as, 'Everything for the race. Nothing outside the race.'
MEChA: Racists, Selfish, Jealous
The racist and anti-semitic roots of MEChA’s ideology
The Irvine Review | March 7, 2005
by Kristen Lucero
It is true, racism happens, life is not fair, and ignorant people can be blinded by the color of someone’s skin. However, when a particular group of people feel they have been discriminated against and they act foolishly and emotionally on their feelings, it is easy to be just as guilty of racism as the group that first committed it. MEChA, which stands for Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán (the Chicano student movement of Aztlán), is a Chicano student group on campus whose roots go back to the 1960’s to the time of the start of the Chicano movement. Across California and several other states, MEChA is a strong nationalist group that openly endorses hate and discrimination against whites and Jews. MEChA discriminates against white people just as badly as they claim to be discriminated against. However, not only are they a racist group, they are selfish because they care only about the well-being of those select few that abide by the Chicano philosophy, and they are jealous of the success of others who have done well for themselves (including Hispanics).
There are a few goals and principles that MEChA ascribes to, according to their founding documents (EL Plan Espiritual de Aztlán, El Plan de Santa Barbara and the Philosophy of MEChA), including the recapture of “Aztlán” or in actuality all the land Mexico lost way back in the Mexican-American War. MEChA somehow feels they are being denied land that they already live in, in a country of which they are citizens. Somehow, giving this land back to a foreign country that lost it hundreds of years ago in a war is going to make it theirs. Besides the delusional goal of the recovery of their “homeland” MEChA would like for the government to take care of their daily needs. They believe that the institutions should give them everything they need to have a “full life”, in other words they want to be taken care of. It is exactly this mentality that has suppressed the Chicano people, not the “evil white man”. Expecting the government to take care of them and give them everything they need is not only lazy but extremely foolish.
Another one of their major goals is the advancement of their political party La Raza Unida (RUP) which was founded by Jose Angel Gutierrez. Gutierrez is a professor at the University of Texas, Arlington, and is an extreme racist. He has been quoted making racists remarks such as, “We have got to eliminate the gringo (white man), and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst we have got to kill him” (source: www.stoptheinvasion.com/racism5.html), and “Our devil has pale skin and blue eyes” (source:www.mayorno.com/villar.html). However, white American’s are not the only group being discriminated against by MEChA.
MEChA has a long history of being anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist, Starting back in the 80’s when the RUP leaders had a meeting with none other than Yasser Arafat in Beirut, Lebanon. Moreover, La Voz de Atzlán, their newspaper has taken an anti-Semitic stand over the years. In 2000, La Voz blamed the Jewish community for “corrupting democracy” and creating “Judenrats”. Judenrat is a term they coined to describe Hispanic politicians who are “owned by Jewish interests”. In an article entitled “La Raza and Jews on Collision Course in Alta California,” they claimed that Jew’s had a conspiracy to subjugate up and coming Latino political power, and that “the sectors that they (the Jews) cannot control directly, they will (control) indirectly through the purchase of influence as well as the cunning manipulation of ethnic and other minorities.” For some reason, every successful Latino that is not about to die for the cause of “La Raza” turns out to be controlled by the Jews, or so it is in the mind of MEChA. Their paper has suggested that successful Latinas become successful because of their relationships with Jewish men. UCI’s own version of the publication, La Voz Mestiza, is constantly putting down and rejecting Hispanics that are successful, yet not loyal to the cause by calling them “coconuts”, which is a Hispanic that is white on the inside, brown on the outside. In Winter 05’ Issue 2, of La Voz Mestiza in an article entitled “They Don’t Know, Who We Be!” they refer to “the coconut, managerial traitors who have already proudly flown their assimilationist banners against us,” and about how they should “let them grovel in that world; it is their penance for being chumps.” Essentially, for a Hispanic to assimilate into America, they must also be a traitor and a” chump” is MEChA’s view.
Perhaps there is a better explanation, however, for the “disloyalty” of many successful Latino people than that of Jewish control and of treason. Could it just be that the United States is a good place that gave many Latino people the chance to become successful, and, therefore, they have no reason to be disloyal to the U.S.? Could it just be that Mexico has never had anything to offer anyone except dirt and corruption? Could it just be that if you stop complaining long enough you would realize that there isn’t much for you to complain about? I am not saying the U.S. is perfect, I’m not saying our system is perfect, but it is the best there is, and people literally would and do die to get the chance to be here and have a shot at their dreams. Instead of trying to figuring out new and innovative ways to be oppressed, perhaps MEChA should just take a cue from the supposed “Judenrats” and be grateful for the chance to live in the greatest country on earth with some of the best opportunities Hispanic people have ever had.
Kristen Lucero is a third year political science major, the Executive Director of the Irvine Conservative Student Union, and, you guessed it, full Hispanic.
Plan of San Diego
University of Texas' Handbook of Texas Online
by Don M. Coerver
With the outbreak of revolution in northern Mexico in 1910, federal authorities and officials of the state of Texas feared that the violence and disorder might spill over into the Rio Grande valley. The Mexican and Mexican-American populations residing in the Valley far outnumbered the Anglo population. Many Valley residents either had relatives living in areas of Mexico affected by revolutionary activity or aided the various revolutionary factions in Mexico. The revolution caused an influx of political refugees and illegal immigrants into the border region, politicizing the Valley population and disturbing the traditional politics of the region. Some radical elements saw the Mexican Revolution as an opportunity to bring about drastic political and economic changes in South Texas. The most extreme example of this was a movement supporting the "Plan of San Diego," a revolutionary manifesto supposedly written and signed at the South Texas town of San Diego on January 6, 1915. The plan, actually drafted in a jail in Monterrey, Nuevo León, provided for the formation of a "Liberating Army of Races and Peoples," to be made up of Mexican Americans, African Americans, and Japanese, to "free" the states of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, and Colorado from United States control. The liberated states would be organized into an independent republic, which might later seek annexation to Mexico. There would be a no-quarter race war, with summary execution of all white males over the age of sixteen. The revolution was to begin on February 20, 1915. Federal and state officials found a copy of the plan when local authorities in McAllen, Texas, arrested Basilio Ramos, Jr., one of the leaders of the plot, on January 24, 1915.
The arrival of February 20 produced only another revolutionary manifesto, rather than the promised insurrection. Similar to the original plan, this second Plan of San Diego emphasized the "liberation" of the proletariat and focused on Texas, where a "social republic" would be established to serve as a base for spreading the revolution throughout the southwestern United States. Indians were also to be enlisted in the cause. But with no signs of revolutionary activity, state and federal authorities dismissed the plan as one more example of the revolutionary rhetoric that flourished along the border. This feeling of complacency was shattered in July 1915 with a series of raids in the lower Rio Grande valley connected with the Plan of San Diego. These raids were led by two adherents of Venustiano Carranza, revolutionary general, and Aniceto Pizaña and Luis De la Rosa, residents of South Texas. The bands used the guerilla tactics of disrupting transportation and communication in the border area and killing Anglos. In response, the United States Army moved reinforcements into the area.
A third version of the plan called for the foundation of a "Republic of Texas" to be made up of Texas, New Mexico, California, Arizona, and parts of Mississippi and Oklahoma. San Antonio, Texas, was to serve as revolutionary headquarters, and the movement's leadership continued to come from South Texas. Raids originated on both sides of the Rio Grande, eventually assuming a pattern of guerilla warfare. Raids from the Mexican side came from territory under the control of Carranza, whose officers were accused of supporting the raiders. When the United States recognized Carranza as president of Mexico in October 1915, the raids came to an abrupt halt. Relations between the United States and Carranza quickly turned sour, however, amid growing violence along the border. When forces under another revolutionary general, Francisco (Pancho) Villa, attacked Columbus, New Mexico, in March 1916, the United States responded by sending a large military force under Gen. John J. Pershing into northern Mexico in pursuit of Villa. When the United States rejected Carranza's demands to withdraw Pershing's troops, fear of a military conflict between the United States and Mexico grew. In this volatile context, there was a renewal of raiding under the Plan of San Diego in May 1916. Mexican officials were even considering the possibility of combining the San Diego raiders with regular Mexican forces in an attack on Laredo. In late June, Mexican and United States officials agreed to a peaceful settlement of differences, and raids under the Plan of San Diego came to a halt.
The Plan of San Diego and the raids that accompanied it were originally attributed to the supporters of the ousted Mexican dictator Gen. Victoriano Huerta, who had been overthrown by Carranza in 1914. The evidence indicates, however, that the raids were carried out by followers of Carranza, who manipulated the movement in an effort to influence relations with the United States. Fatalities directly linked to the raids were surprisingly small; between July 1915 and July 1916 some thirty raids into Texas produced only twenty-one American deaths, both civilian and military. More destructive and disruptive was the near race war that ensued in the wake of the plan as relations between the whites and the Mexicans and Mexican Americans deteriorated in 1915-16. Federal reports indicated that more than 300 Mexicans or Mexican Americans were summarily executed in South Texas in the atmosphere generated by the plan. Economic losses ran into the millions of dollars, and virtually all residents of the lower Rio Grande valley suffered some disruption in their lives from the raids. Moreover, the plan's legacy of racial antagonism endured long after the plan itself had been forgotten.
BIBLIOGRAPHY: Don M. Coerver and Linda B. Hall, Texas and the Mexican Revolution: A Study in State and National Border Policy, 1910-1920 (San Antonio: Trinity University Press, 1984). Charles C. Cumberland, "Border Raids in the Lower Rio Grande Valley-1915," Southwestern Historical Quarterly 57 (January 1954). Charles H. Harris III and Louis R. Sadler, "The Plan of San Diego and the Mexican-U.S. War Crisis of 1916: A Reexamination," Hispanic American Historical Review 58 (August 1978). Friedrich Katz, The Secret War in Mexico: Europe, the United States and the Mexican Revolution (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1981). James A. Sandos, "The Plan of San Diego: War and Diplomacy on the Texas Border, 1915-1916," Arizona and the West 14 (Spring 1972). James Sandos, Rebellion in the Borderlands: Anarchism and the Plan of San Diego, 1904-1923 (Norman: University of Oklahoma Press, 1992).
Fern~Fern* August 8th, 2007, 04:26 AM :omg: that's story is such a hoax, I've never heard of such a thing. A white genocide? Oh Please! stop finding fake reasons to start a hate group against people with a lighter shade of brown!
San Diego crap my ass! never heard of it! :ohno:
People would say and convince people just to have support. Anything to stir up problems, racial relations are actually working good now, let's not go backwards especially with hoax stories like that!
Robert you are tooooo much! Good try though*
hoju August 8th, 2007, 06:46 AM To get this thread somewhat on topic, I had a question for the LA forumers. Has AV's lobbying in congress generated any funds for the subway expansion? I heard that CA has a budget crunch in the state govt, and that might be holding things up. But I also read that the bill in congress that prohibited drilling in the miracle mile area was finally rescinded. Any word on the status of this? Has purple line construction started? This should be a very heavily used line, and though it will be some years before it will alleviate traffic, AV should deserve credit for pushing this through. What about the school takeover? I havent heard much about this in recent months.
LA seems like a very difficult place to govern because of the balkanized nature of the many independent municipalities surrounding LA proper, so I think the mayors office needs to be able to act unilaterally at times to quell dissenting voices and get shit done. I hope this stupid nonsense with his affair doesn't derail things too bad, and I hope he gets another term to continue pushing for some of these necessary steps.
Robert Stark August 8th, 2007, 07:47 AM :omg: that's story is such a hoax, I've never heard of such a thing. A white genocide? Oh Please! stop finding fake reasons to start a hate group against people with a lighter shade of brown!
San Diego crap my ass! never heard of it! :ohno:
People would say and convince people just to have support. Anything to stir up problems, racial relations are actually working good now, let's not go backwards especially with hoax stories like that!
Robert you are tooooo much! Good try though*
did you even read the article? you will see Alex Jones is an advocate fir justice, and that the CFR, Ford Foundation, and Rockefeller Foundation have poured in Billions on Dollars into ethno centric organization to promote the polerization of America. Alex Jones is also a leading spokesman for the 911 Truth Movement.
Fern~Fern* August 8th, 2007, 07:52 AM did you even read the article? you will see Alex Jones is an advocate fir justice, and that the CFR, Ford Foundation, and Rockefeller Foundation have poured in Billions on Dollars into ethno centric organization to promote the polerization of America. Alex Jones is also a leading spokesman for the 911 Truth Movement.
^ Actually I did read the article and 99% is not credible. Dude your being brain washed by an individual who has nothing positive to look up to. Step back onto the light Man!
Hey Rob, what ever happened in jr high dude is the pass, let it go. You still can become a productive member of society. Wake up and smell the coffee Bro!
Robert Stark August 9th, 2007, 04:14 AM Mechistas are just pathetic but the real villains are the Illuminati(ex. CFR, Trialateral Commite, Bilderberg Group, Ford Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation) who fund ethno-centric organiztions to further fraction the Nation. I just hope the Mecha Boy does not get into the Governor's Mansion.
Fern~Fern* August 9th, 2007, 04:17 AM ^ He has my Vote as well as my friends & Family.... Woohoo!
Move over Arnold, Tony is coming to Town!
Robert Stark August 9th, 2007, 04:57 AM I doubt it. I'll even take Gavin Newson over the little Mecha Boy. I think most likey the next Governer will be either Gavin Newsom or Steve Wesley. I personally would like to see Tom McClintock. he would make a great Governor but California has gone so far to the left with all the socialism.
Fern~Fern* August 9th, 2007, 05:01 AM ^ Tom in the Governor Mansion, dream on baby!!! :ohno: ain't happening in a million years.... He'll be a shoe~in in Wyoming or possibly Nebraska?
I could see Tony or even Lt. Bustamantez up in the there!
Robert Stark August 9th, 2007, 05:07 AM at least Villar has charisma. Bustamecha coudn't even get elected to insurance commisioner and has no charisma. They are both Mecha boys.
klamedia August 9th, 2007, 10:42 AM They won't get back on track.
AreBeAre August 12th, 2007, 12:27 PM I hope he fades away fast, governor? are you kidding me, after the defeat of the immigration bill there no way anyones voting for this lame duck.
Robert Stark August 12th, 2007, 10:35 PM I hope he fades away fast, governor? are you kidding me, after the defeat of the immigration bill there no way anyones voting for this lame duck.
bush or villar?
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