There's no need for both I think. It looks like we're going with the street cars. I vote streetcars.

LA has streetcars?

Street cars though initially cheaper are still at the mercy of street traffic. If you want to really speed transportation up, you have to go down or up, but off the streets and away from traffic.

LA has streetcars?

You know, like the Gold Line.

I would like to have both. Subway mainly from longer routes, street cars more like district to district short lines.

Didn't they have streetcars in L.A. back in the 50's?

You know, like the Gold Line.
You mean like the Orange Line.

You know, like the Gold Line.

Are you talking about light rail!?!?

You mean like the Orange Line.

The Orange Line is a bus. The Gold, Blue, and Green Lines are light rail. Which is not a streetcar.

And where is the 'both' option?

sometimes the gold and blue lines are streetcars, I think

like in DT long beach (BLUE)

The Orange Line is a bus. The Gold, Blue, and Green Lines are light rail. Which is not a streetcar.

And where is the 'both' option?

I don't see the need for the existence of both but whatever.

Are you talking about light rail!?!?

Sorry, I mean light rail. I couldn't get the right words out. But you know what i mean.

I prefer subways since they're more convenient and faster :)

We have an extensive bus system which took the place of streetcars a long time ago and act as feeders to more rapid transit like light rail or subways. Their is no need for streetcars anymore, unless for decoration. Only right of way rail systems should be built from now on.

subways... i dont know were they should go just need atleast one place to "drop in" in burbank. i would love to take the subway to work

Subways are much too expensive to squander on Burbank. They should only go in the inner core of the city where densities are great. A light rail line from Burbank to Glendale is fine.
I had a tourist come up to me at the airport and ask what is their to do? They wanted to spend a few hours in the city and had like 3-4 hours to kill. They didn't want to spend a whole bunch of money to rent a car, they just wanted a simple way to get to Hollywood from LAX and take some pictures and see the sights. Sadly, it was already around 8pm and I would have directed them onto the shuttle bus to the Green,then to the Blue, then to the Red configuration but as the night wears on the trains start to come less. I do this all the time but for someone new to the city it might be a bit much. I felt really bad and embarrassed for my city that it wasn't more user-friendly. What would you have done? And for some ungodly reason a cab costs $50 dollars to go the 12 miles or so from LAX to Hollywood???

Subways are much too expensive to squander on Burbank. They should only go in the inner core of the city where densities are great. A light rail line from Burbank to Glendale is fine.
I had a tourist come up to me at the airport and ask what is their to do? They wanted to spend a few hours in the city and had like 3-4 hours to kill. They didn't want to spend a whole bunch of money to rent a car, they just wanted a simple way to get to Hollywood from LAX and take some pictures and see the sights. Sadly, it was already around 8pm and I would have directed them onto the shuttle bus to the Green,then to the Blue, then to the Red configuration but as the night wears on the trains start to come less. I do this all the time but for someone new to the city it might be a bit much. I felt really bad and embarrassed for my city that it wasn't more user-friendly. What would you have done? And for some ungodly reason a cab costs $50 dollars to go the 12 miles or so from LAX to Hollywood???

I would have sent them to Manhattan Beach for a couple of hours and then told them to call for a cab when it was time to return.

Subways are much too expensive to squander on Burbank. They should only go in the inner core of the city where densities are great. A light rail line from Burbank to Glendale is fine.
I had a tourist come up to me at the airport and ask what is their to do? They wanted to spend a few hours in the city and had like 3-4 hours to kill. They didn't want to spend a whole bunch of money to rent a car, they just wanted a simple way to get to Hollywood from LAX and take some pictures and see the sights. Sadly, it was already around 8pm and I would have directed them onto the shuttle bus to the Green,then to the Blue, then to the Red configuration but as the night wears on the trains start to come less. I do this all the time but for someone new to the city it might be a bit much. I felt really bad and embarrassed for my city that it wasn't more user-friendly. What would you have done? And for some ungodly reason a cab costs $50 dollars to go the 12 miles or so from LAX to Hollywood???

I think the lack of user-friendly is what makes L.A. a turnoff to many people because a tourist does not want to drive in any city but sadly that is the only option to see most of the L.A. And not only that, its very expensive to catch a cab or rent a car. But 8:00pm, thats when L.A. starts falling asleep!

i never said that all the other projects should stop and burbank should get a subway now. i just think it would be nice to no have to resort to using my car all the time.

...and buses are useless right now

I don't see the need for the existence of both but whatever.


Are you kidding? how about the difference in densities, the traffic and enviornmental impacts, the routes. its not all the same. some routes need subways (Wilshire and East LA) and some need Light rail, such as Pasadena and Expo. Its not one or the other, its definitley both.

I hate streetcars because they make traffic worse, by stoping it. Plus I bet that when something goes wrong with them, to fix them they have to close the street. The only thing I like about them is that they ride smoothly.

I like streetcars. They can enhance an areas historical district and just be plain fun to watch and ride. Will they in the 21st century be the workhorses that take people that extra mile to a subway or light rail? No. Unfortunately this question isn't really fair to street cars. Haven't you seen those "eel-like" buses painted red with an accordian middle going down major avenues? Those are the new streetcars.

I like streetcars. They can enhance an areas historical district and just be plain fun to watch and ride. Will they in the 21st century be the workhorses that take people that extra mile to a subway or light rail? No. Unfortunately this question isn't really fair to street cars. Haven't you seen those "eel-like" buses painted red with an accordian middle going down major avenues? Those are the new streetcars.
Are they really the new streetcars? I thought they were just a bus.

Are you kidding? how about the difference in densities, the traffic and enviornmental impacts, the routes. its not all the same. some routes need subways (Wilshire and East LA) and some need Light rail, such as Pasadena and Expo. Its not one or the other, its definitley both.

I just think we should be consistent. I like both though. But if there is to be more subways, security should be the number one priority.

Are they really the new streetcars? I thought they were just a bus.

Yes. They've evolved.

Yes. They've evolved.
Yeah, they sure did.

Continue with the street cars. A number of Midwestern cities are really hurting from the loss of their streetcar system, so get yours as built as you can!!

Subway works as well. We have a measely subway system here in Chicago, our elevated is its saving grace. Either way, it's a win win situation for you guys.

:ohno:

Continue with the street cars. A number of Midwestern cities are really hurting from the loss of their streetcar system, so get yours as built as you can!!

Subway works as well. We have a measely subway system here in Chicago, our elevated is its saving grace. Either way, it's a win win situation for you guys.
Hey RP1 nice avatar. Great respect for L.A.; thats cool.

http://ktransit.com/transit/uscalifornia/losangeles/lightrail/gold/Photos/lax-lr-gold-union-031804-01.jpg

http://salaamallah.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/cornfields1.jpg.w300h400.jpg

Is that the Cornfields in the background??????

http://www.valhallavideo.com/images/GoldLine231TestApr19.jpg

There's one part of the blue line that is a "subway." Is there such thing as hi-speed light rail? And if we are going to contine with the subway, the "cars" should resemble the current light rail. The Blue and Green Line look outdated and the "old" subway look is as well.But light rail is definitely more scenic than the subway. Yes I guess it would be practical to have both subway and light rail. Some may want to travel from downtown to Santa Monica and the light rail would be for shoter commutes.

Not too bad.

http://www.royrak.com/images/ScalatorDSCN1509.jpg

Was the Blue Line re-done? But yeah our extended subway should look like this. Longer commutes should have hi-speed rail and district-district commutes should remain the same? I was thinking the longer commutes should be underground and the shorter commutes should continue as they are now.

In my opinion, L.A. probably has one of the cleanest subway stations.

http://www.urbanrail.net/am/lsan/los-angeles-map.gif

We already have light rail for somewhat long commutes.

Now I'm confused. Some of the light rail not only goes from district-district but from region to region. All this money and effort was spent for the light rail, so i'm sure they won't be changing it.

Hey RP1 nice avatar. Great respect for L.A.; thats cool.

Thanks. I made it myself. :cool:

I guess there will have to be only one subway and the rest light rail.

For now, in a near future we will have 2 more Subways.

I guess it's okay the way it is. The light rail goes to somewhat no so busy places. But we need a subway that goes all the way to Santa Monica/West LA and to LAX.

Well will see in a few years of the future of L.A.'s transit system.

I think for more congested roads, there should be subways, but shorter lines, like ones that are more short-distance could be handled by just lightrail. People tend to get more enthusiastic about subways though...