I don't want to seem like a "stereotypical" midwesterner (in eyes of a coaster), but I am beginning to hate the coasts, especially the west.

The more I visit, observe and dissect the culture of the coasts the more I am beginning to hate them. Coasters, for the most part, are shallow, superficial and annoying people who take themselves WAY too seriously. The popped-collar, plastic-surgery-having, agressive, irritating people on the west and east coasts is really starting to piss me off. Gone are the days when "coastal elitism" meant Ivy-league grads enaging in some discourse or intelligent conversation that middle America couldn't relate to. Now, that has been replaced with an entire different persona. A very materialistic and disturbing persona. I have to stop typing, now, because I have run out of ways to express myself.

Somebody prove me wrong.

don't worry.

be happy.

life is WAY too fucking short to concern yourself with such insignificant nonsense. just sit back, relax, take a deep breath, and repeat to yourself "at the end of the day, who really fucking cares?"

don't worry.

be happy.

life is WAY too fucking short to concern yourself with such insignificant nonsense. just sit back, relax, take a deep breath, and repeat to yourself "at the end of the day, who really fucking cares?"


true dat, steely, The only saving grace that prevents from really flippin shit at coastal elitsts is my great, awesome midwestern friends and family.



awwwwww. :)

There plenty of materialistic douchebags in the Midwest. There are also plenty of friendly people on the coasts.

I LOVE the East Coast, especially Boston. I live in the midwest, but I want to move to Boston (or around Boston) within a couple years of graduating college. The West Coast isn't that great though.

I like both coasts, but if I have to generalize, I'd say the east coast has the highest concentration of assholes in the country.

Boston seems to be a very nice to me. The people are arrogant and condescending, but not in an intentional or mean way. The accents are pretty annoying though.

Fiddlerontheruf: Yes, it's bad that you say your starting to hate the coasts.

You shouldn't generalize coastal people, just as you would not want to be generalized as a bumblefuck midwesterner. Let it go. All people are individuals.

The Midwestern people I know are basically versions of the East Coast people I know. Not much different. The people in the Central West End of St. Louis remind me of the people in Northwest DC. And the people in Clayton, MO remind me of the people in Bethesda, MD. The people in Ladue, MO remind me of the people living in Potomac, MD. The people living in Soulard/St. Louis remind me of the people living in Baltimore's Federal Hill. I could go on. So I don't agree with the original post.

The Midwestern people I know are basically versions of the East Coast people I know. Not much different. The people in the Central West End of St. Louis remind me of the people in Northwest DC. And the people in Clayton, MO remind me of the people in Bethesda, MD. The people in Ladue, MO remind me of the people living in Potomac, MD. The people living in Soulard/St. Louis remind me of the people living in Baltimore's Federal Hill. I could go on. So I don't agree with the original post.

Soulard seem a little like Georgetown too. Yeah there are bastards everywhere, I am a bastard. Just somellocales have a better reputation of being bastards than most. I visited Boston last year expecting, to be rudely treated, or just being confronted by some arrogant bastard but everyone there was nice. NYC was surprising too, but I was not familiar with the concept that you can't get change for a parking meter from a corner market unless you buy something. The pleasantness was just a big relief, because I had gone to Pittsburgh the year before and everyone was absolute nasty except for the cab drivers, and boat tour guide. And Pittsburgh is no where near a coast.

The Midwestern people I know are basically versions of the East Coast people I know. Not much different. The people in the Central West End of St. Louis remind me of the people in Northwest DC. And the people in Clayton, MO remind me of the people in Bethesda, MD. The people in Ladue, MO remind me of the people living in Potomac, MD. The people living in Soulard/St. Louis remind me of the people living in Baltimore's Federal Hill. I could go on. So I don't agree with the original post.

Soulard seem a little like Georgetown too. Yeah there are bastards everywhere, I am a bastard. Just some locales have a better reputation of having bastards than most. I visited Boston last year expecting, to be rudely treated, or just being confronted by some arrogant bastard but everyone there was nice. NYC was surprising too, but I was not familiar with the concept that you can't get change for a parking meter from a corner market unless you buy something. The pleasantness was just a big relief, because I had gone to Pittsburgh the year before and everyone was an absolute nasty bastard except for the cab drivers, and boat tour guide. And Pittsburgh is no where near a coast. Chicago catches most out of town tourists off guard because they don't expect to be treated friendly by everyone, that's the only thing Midwestern about Chicago.

There plenty of materialistic douchebags in the Midwest. There are also plenty of friendly people on the coasts.
i agree.. i don't see why it really matters anyways... who cares? there are plenty of very friendly people everywhere and there are plenty of assholes everywhere... i don't like these sort of generalizations... while it's true that people are different in different parts of the country, it's not to that much of an extent where you can say everyone on the west coast is superficial and everyone on the east coast is an asshole... that's simply not true (although it may be true that the highest concentration of superficial people is on the west coast and the highest concentration of assholes is on the east coast)

I don't want to seem like a "stereotypical" midwesterner (in eyes of a coaster), but I am beginning to hate the coasts, especially the west.

The more I visit, observe and dissect the culture of the coasts the more I am beginning to hate them. Coasters, for the most part, are shallow, superficial and annoying people who take themselves WAY too seriously. The popped-collar, plastic-surgery-having, agressive, irritating people on the west and east coasts is really starting to piss me off. Gone are the days when "coastal elitism" meant Ivy-league grads enaging in some discourse or intelligent conversation that middle America couldn't relate to. Now, that has been replaced with an entire different persona. A very materialistic and disturbing persona. I have to stop typing, now, because I have run out of ways to express myself.

Somebody prove me wrong.
Riiight.. paint millions of people with the same brush :|

I'd rather be hated than have no one know I exist.

Go figure.

There plenty of materialistic douchebags in the Midwest.


*raises hand*

although i'm fully aware that what you own ends up owning you

I love the East Coast. Two of my favorite cities in the world are there.

Fiddler, your profile indicates that you're a college freshman. Can I assume you went to a coast with high hopes (escape this backward Midwestern existence and consort with cultured types) only to be sorely disillusioned and reconnect with your roots? I come from a Midwestern college town, where many bright people with the means (scholarship or parental $) to go coastal, do so. But let's not dismiss half of America on the basis of our experiences with pompous college assholes. Age 18-22, people are like that, desperate for attention and approval. Youth is basically a continual identity crisis, am I right? (SSC oldsters confirm or deny?) If I'd gone to Northwestern or UChicago, I'd probably be saying, "I knew I should have left Illinois. It's mostly assholes here, just like in high school!" I haven't been back east since college, but I'd like to think it would be different if I avoid the Ivy League/Seven Sisters/NYU types.

My experience with West Coast people, since I lived there for a bit, is that they where quite freindly, and a lot of theme where from Iowa. lol...

Seriously, living in NorCal, the Midwest seemed "far away and long ago"...people dont look down on it, they dont even think about east of the Sierras that much (maye Reno or Salt Lake is as far east as their horizons go).

Fiddler, your profile indicates that you're a college freshman. Can I assume you went to a coast with high hopes (escape this backward Midwestern existence and consort with cultured types) only to be sorely disillusioned and reconnect with your roots? I come from a Midwestern college town, where many bright people with the means (scholarship or parental $) to go coastal, do so. But let's not dismiss half of America on the basis of our experiences with pompous college assholes. Age 18-22, people are like that, desperate for attention and approval. Youth is basically a continual identity crisis, am I right? (SSC oldsters confirm or deny?) If I'd gone to Northwestern or UChicago, I'd probably be saying, "I knew I should have left Illinois. It's mostly assholes here, just like in high school!" I haven't been back east since college, but I'd like to think it would be different if I avoid the Ivy League/Seven Sisters/NYU types.

Actually, I am a senior in high school but that profile is from a few years ago...so.

I do not base what I'm saying on bitterness, nor do I believe that all people on the coasts fit that description. I've traveled all over the world, but I guess I just prefer the values and the people in the midwest. The upper-midwest that is. I guess I'm an elitist.


ps: Yeah, I'm going through an identity crisis right now, I so hope that helps you understand where all of this animosity/questioning is coming from.

My experience with West Coast people, since I lived there for a bit, is that they where quite freindly, and a lot of theme where from Iowa. lol...

Seriously, living in NorCal, the Midwest seemed "far away and long ago"...people dont look down on it, they dont even think about east of the Sierras that much (maye Reno or Salt Lake is as far east as their horizons go).

lol I got a cousin in Seattle from Iowa...good observation.

Never been to the west coast, but most of my family is from the east coast, I really like it out there, and everytime I've gone (usually to New England or NYC) I've met nice people and had a great time.

I think it's mostly generalizing. I think in general midwesterners are the most oblivious and quick to stereotype most types of people, this is generalizing too, I don't judge people this way, but it just seems more and more true the more time i spend in the midwest.

MTV makes LA'ers all look stupid, i know that.







But MTV sucks.


wtb mtv of the early to mid 90s.

Yes its bad for you to hate the coasts. You shouldnt make an assumption on the basis of a few people. Just like all Southerners arent poor rednecks and talk with a drawl. So chill out, remember that the Midwest is what you care about, and if they dont like it, who gives a fuck? I mean come on, who gives a fuck about the coasts if they dont like me? I sure as hell dont. And what is all this fascination on SSC about the coasts looking down on the Midwest or being better than the Midwest? Damn, give it a rest, why are we so hellbent on what they think? Are they supposed to be better than us? I dont think so.

^^I think that the reason why midwesterners are so resentful of the "coasts", or what we perseive the coasts to be anyway, is because a few faceless New York media corporations and useless Hollywood production companies have essentially hijacked American culture and so much of how the world perceives of Americans is given to them by these coastal media outlets. I think that midwesterners, and to a lesser extent southerners, see themselves as representing true American culture and real American values that they perceive as being ignored by coastal media. Personally, I think that is why the Republican party has been making such large gains in the heartland of America. It all has to do with the growing righteous indignation of heartland Americans agains the "liberal" media of the coasts and their dominance over American culture.

I think that the reason why midwesterners are so resentful of the "coasts", or what we perseive the coasts to be anyway, is because a few faceless New York media corporations and useless Hollywood production companies have essentially hijacked American culture and so much of how the world perceives of Americans is given to them by these coastal media outlets. I think that midwesterners, and to a lesser extent southerners, see themselves as representing true American culture and real American values that they perceive as being ignored by coastal media. Personally, I think that is why the Republican party has been making such large gains in the heartland of America. It all has to do with the growing righteous indignation of heartland Americans agains the "liberal" media of the coasts and their dominance over American culture.

well said

^^I think that the reason why midwesterners are so resentful of the "coasts", or what we perseive the coasts to be anyway, is because a few faceless New York media corporations and useless Hollywood production companies have essentially hijacked American culture and so much of how the world perceives of Americans is given to them by these coastal media outlets. I think that midwesterners, and to a lesser extent southerners, see themselves as representing true American culture and real American values that they perceive as being ignored by coastal media. Personally, I think that is why the Republican party has been making such large gains in the heartland of America. It all has to do with the growing righteous indignation of heartland Americans agains the "liberal" media of the coasts and their dominance over American culture.


Very good post.

I don't hate the coasts, but I have met more than a few people from the coasts who are clueless as to what is in the midwest, or even what the "midwest is" and for that reason I end up resenting some of them because they are so clueless about their own country and act like my neck of the woods "doesn't matter." Your only human if you resent something like that. Whereas I have found midwesterners are much better travelled in general and have usually been all over the country. If a midwesterner hasn't been to your neck of the woods they will more than likely at least ACT interested while a coastal elitist will snub their nose at your hometown, right to your face. What I don't like, though, is arrogance and you sense it a lot more on the coasts. Some of them care so much that they are "on the map" and that "they are in a place where it is hip to be" that they end up just being collective douche bags. There is a lot more narcissism on the coasts, that's for damn sure. I prefer to be in a place where people aren't so self-fabulous and superficial that way.

Oh and when I say "coasts" I specifically mean the Northeast and coastal California.

Whereas I have found midwesterners are much better travelled in general and have usually been all over the country. If a midwesterner hasn't been to your neck of the woods they will more than likely at least ACT interested while a coastal elitist will snub their nose at your hometown, right to your face. What I don't like, though, is arrogance and you sense it a lot more on the coasts.

Typical response to my response to the question, "Where are you from?" (My answer: "I'm from Urbana, IL/Illinois/central Illinois, etc.")

In Poughkeepsie, New York (townies, and Vassar College students, who are mostly Northeast or West Coast):

"Oh, I'm sorry!" (Haughty laugh...)
"Oh, well then you must be really glad to be out here!" (In this small, run-down town, no sarcasm in their voices.)
"Well then, how come I've never seen you wearing a KKK hat?"
"The Midwest?! There's no diversity there! How can you stand it?"
"That's Red America!" (Look of disgust...)
"That's so boring!"

Typical answers in Gainesville, Florida (townies and UF students, mostly Floridian):

"Oh, are you liking the weather down here?"
"Oh, Illinois? I have a cousin/brother/Grandma/friend who lives in (or came from/goes to school in) Chicago (or Indiana/Iowa/Ohio) etc. It was cool to play in the snow last Christmas."

Are you noticing a difference? In one place, people dispensed standard pleasantries, but in the other, I was greeted with overwhelming condescension almost every single time I told people where I was from.

One thing that I will say in having a few online conversations with some people from the west coast (I frequent another messageboard completely unrelated to urbanity) and have been subject to all sorts of odd questions relating to the fact that I live in the midwest, usually surround the availability of certain types of food. It continues to amaze me that despite having the 2nd largest Mexican population in the US that many people from California act surprised that Chicago has really good Mexican food. Additionally, I have to inform them that yes, there are indeed asian resturants here as well and we have even been known to have fresh seafood and produce (seriously, you'd think from their questions that I told them I lived off the grid in north dakota).

I will say this, people in Boston seem to not realize that Chicago has moved on since the 70's and 80's, I remember my mom and I were walking down the street together in Boston a few years ago (that is her hometown) and this guy came up to us and started talking to us (he was marginally insane) and we were chit chatting and sort of giving him a hard time and hoping he'd go away and he asked were we were from because we were acting entirely to interested in the Big Dig to be locals even though my mom still sometimes sounds like one, and when we said Chicago, he quipped sarcastically 'yeah, that is a REAL nice place isn't it', and my mom surprised me, she started in on how great it was and that he didn't know what he was talking about and that any city with a project as assinine as the big dig had no room to talk about chicago being a dump, and she's the Bostonian. It was pretty funny.

The midwest does get a lot of shit, but there are a lot of things that could be reversed and midwesterners would come across as rude or oblivious too. Midwesterners are definitely nicer than on the east coast though. Like what citygeek witnessed in poughkeepsie, a lot of people respond to me the same way if I say I'm from northern virginia to some midwesterners.

Yeah, coastal people pick on Midwesterners, Midwesterners pick on Southerners -- I've seen plenty of that, too. Everyone complains about those above them on the food chain, while picking on those perceived to be below them. But Northern Virginia! Did they take that as Southern, and all the hayseed stereotypes they attribute to that? (Or are they informed anti-Beltway snobs?) That's sad, yet funny. I guess this country is so big, the average person doesn't know about too many areas that are further than they can drive on a day-trip.

^^I think that the reason why midwesterners are so resentful of the "coasts", or what we perseive the coasts to be anyway, is because a few faceless New York media corporations and useless Hollywood production companies have essentially hijacked American culture and so much of how the world perceives of Americans is given to them by these coastal media outlets. I think that midwesterners, and to a lesser extent southerners, see themselves as representing true American culture and real American values that they perceive as being ignored by coastal media. Personally, I think that is why the Republican party has been making such large gains in the heartland of America. It all has to do with the growing righteous indignation of heartland Americans agains the "liberal" media of the coasts and their dominance over American culture.

I agree with this post but i think most of the larger urban centers of the midwest and south have more liberal values than the rural areas and smaller metros of the two regions. I'm a strong believer that the diversity and large minority populations in these urban centers account for a more liberal attitude. The midwest and immediate south do not have as much diversity as the coasts which makes for more conservitive politics.

I agree with this post but i think most of the larger urban centers of the midwest and south have more liberal values than the rural areas and smaller metros of the two regions.

That would apply to the Coasts too. Northern California: The Bay Area vs Colusa or, say, Gustine. Different worlds.

I will say this, people in Boston seem to not realize that Chicago has moved on since the 70's and 80's, I remember my mom and I were walking down the street together in Boston a few years ago (that is her hometown) and this guy came up to us and started talking to us (he was marginally insane) and we were chit chatting and sort of giving him a hard time and hoping he'd go away and he asked were we were from because we were acting entirely to interested in the Big Dig to be locals even though my mom still sometimes sounds like one, and when we said Chicago, he quipped sarcastically 'yeah, that is a REAL nice place isn't it', and my mom surprised me, she started in on how great it was and that he didn't know what he was talking about and that any city with a project as assinine as the big dig had no room to talk about chicago being a dump, and she's the Bostonian. It was pretty funny.

:hahaha: I love when this kind of thing happens. First the coastalites are sad about coming to the big, cold, depressing, midwestern town called "Chicago". Then they arrive here and fall in love with it. Next, they're getting into arguments with people back home who act patronizingly towards Chicago. ha. classic story.

I don't want to seem like a "stereotypical" midwesterner (in eyes of a coaster), but I am beginning to hate the coasts, especially the west.

The more I visit, observe and dissect the culture of the coasts the more I am beginning to hate them. Coasters, for the most part, are shallow, superficial and annoying people who take themselves WAY too seriously. The popped-collar, plastic-surgery-having, agressive, irritating people on the west and east coasts is really starting to piss me off. Gone are the days when "coastal elitism" meant Ivy-league grads enaging in some discourse or intelligent conversation that middle America couldn't relate to. Now, that has been replaced with an entire different persona. A very materialistic and disturbing persona. I have to stop typing, now, because I have run out of ways to express myself.

Somebody prove me wrong.

God that was a steaming pile of horse shit!

^^I think that the reason why midwesterners are so resentful of the "coasts", or what we perseive the coasts to be anyway, is because a few faceless New York media corporations and useless Hollywood production companies have essentially hijacked American culture and so much of how the world perceives of Americans is given to them by these coastal media outlets. I think that midwesterners, and to a lesser extent southerners, see themselves as representing true American culture and real American values that they perceive as being ignored by coastal media. Personally, I think that is why the Republican party has been making such large gains in the heartland of America. It all has to do with the growing righteous indignation of heartland Americans agains the "liberal" media of the coasts and their dominance over American culture.

:puke:

How can any one part of the country represent "true" American culture and American values? For God's sake, this evil east coast founded this goddamn country, so please stop making it seem like people from the evil lefty coast are not as American as the heartland.

And remind me where CNN is based? :crazy:

:puke:

Ignorance of the Midwest is lamentable, but not unforseen. The main economic power, wealth, and influence that is the United States emanates from the wealthy powerhouses that are the coast. People associate America with power, wealth, and influence, and this is largely seen on the coasts on not in the heartland, the vast exception being the grand midwestern metropolis that is Chicago.

And one thing that people criticize Americans for being ignorant of the world. Well, think of this on the local version of our ignorance, coastal residence against our own brethren in the Midwest. Just like most Americans could probably not name what the capital of Moldova is, East Coast residents are more likely to pass over the Midwest.

That being said, people on the coasts also tend to be more international, with Europe being a 6 hour romp from New York, Boston, Philadelphia, or Washington DC. I believe only 10% of the US population has passports. Aside from those people bordering Canada or Mexico, I would imagine that those on the coasts tend to have a higher percentage of passport holder as the rest of the world is simply geographically easier for us to get a handle on. Perhaps we concentrate more externally than within our own country? :dunno:

Doesn't the midwest, have like, cows and corn and tractors and rusty metal stuff?

That being said, people on the coasts also tend to be more international, with Europe being a 6 hour romp from New York, Boston, Philadelphia, or Washington DC. I believe only 10% of the US population has passports. Aside from those people bordering Canada or Mexico, I would imagine that those on the coasts tend to have a higher percentage of passport holder as the rest of the world is simply geographically easier for us to get a handle on. Perhaps we concentrate more externally than within our own country? :dunno:

lol. It's really not THAT much harder for people in the midwest.

lol. It's really not THAT much harder for people in the midwest.

I did not say it was that much harder. But geographically, where you are affects your outlook. It is not that much harder to get to Toronto from New York City as compared to Buffalo. But Buffalo is going to have a much stronger focus towards Canada as it is so close to the border, wheras New York City will not.

I believe only 10% of the US population has passports. Aside from those people bordering Canada or Mexico,

I've often heard 20%. Anyway, Americans don't need passports to enter Canada, Mexico (I think), Jamaica, nor several other Caribbean countries. Just because some of us don't have passports, doesn't mean we don't travel to other countries.

Now to comment on the idiocy of your post in specifics:

I don't want to seem like a "stereotypical" midwesterner (in eyes of a coaster), but I am beginning to hate the coasts, especially the west.
Erm, with the shit storm you right in the rest of this craptacular post, how are you not the "stereotypical" midwesterner with a chip on his shoulder?

:crazy:

The more I visit, observe and dissect the culture of the coasts the more I am beginning to hate them.
Really? How have you observed and dissected the culture of the coasts? And how did you reach the conclusion that they ought to be hated? Seems rather childish and immature on your part.

Coasters, for the most part, are shallow, superficial and annoying people who take themselves WAY too seriously.
Way to stereotype genis. Shallow, superficial, annoying people, believe it or not, are found all over the country. And given this post, I put you in this category.

The popped-collar, plastic-surgery-having, agressive, irritating people on the west and east coasts is really starting to piss me off.
Plasti-surgery-having? What crack are you smoking? :crazy: If anything, you are describing the preppy stereotype, which from what I have heard, is the rage all over the country, such as schools like Miami University in Ohio, and any other private school.

Gone are the days when "coastal elitism" meant Ivy-league grads enaging in some discourse or intelligent conversation that middle America couldn't relate to.
WHAT?!

Right, because the midwest is devoid of Ivy-League level institutions, right? Northwestern, Chicago, Washington University, god they are not even fit to be community colleges on the east coast.

:bash:

Now, that has been replaced with an entire different persona. A very materialistic and disturbing persona.
You are a dolt if you think the entire Midwest is the nice enclave of nice little German grannies baking apple pie, teenagers going to drive-ins and hanging out at the local diner. Materialism is a cancer that exists in this country, starting with the cookiecutter McMansions that blight the midwest, etc.

I have to stop typing, now, because I have run out of ways to express myself.

Somebody prove me wrong.
You never did express yourself. You idiotically relied on tired stereotypes that make me doubt your objectivity towards the coasts and make me think that you simply have a chip because you idiotically presume the Midwest right now does not hit in the same league as the West Coast or the North East.

I've often heard 20%. Anyway, Americans don't need passports to enter Canada, Mexico (I think), Jamaica, nor several other Caribbean countries. Just because some of us don't have passports, doesn't mean we don't travel to other countries.
Unless we are going to Mexico or Canada, you DO need a passport to travel anywhere else in the world.

Unless we are going to Mexico or Canada, you DO need a passport to travel anywhere else in the world.
no, actually, he's right, you don't need a passport to enter canada, mexico, and many carribean countries... there are also a few others that you don't need a passport to enter... however this will change because in a couple of years you'll need a passport to re-enter the us from ANY country...

I don't want to seem like a "stereotypical" midwesterner (in eyes of a coaster), but I am beginning to hate the coasts, especially the west.

The more I visit, observe and dissect the culture of the coasts the more I am beginning to hate them. Coasters, for the most part, are shallow, superficial and annoying people who take themselves WAY too seriously. The popped-collar, plastic-surgery-having, agressive, irritating people on the west and east coasts is really starting to piss me off. Gone are the days when "coastal elitism" meant Ivy-league grads enaging in some discourse or intelligent conversation that middle America couldn't relate to. Now, that has been replaced with an entire different persona. A very materialistic and disturbing persona. I have to stop typing, now, because I have run out of ways to express myself.

Somebody prove me wrong.
This is perfectly fine with me.

The fewer people who want to come to Seattle, the better. :D

^ Well, when we midwesterners refer to the coasts, its D.C. all the way up to Boston, and then California. ;)

No region of the United States was constructed in the image of New England and the Mid-Atlantic as the Great Lakes. Our states were tied to their regions by the lakes, the Erie Canal, the Hudson. By mid-19th century, as our population started catching up with theirs and we matured as a region, our histories started to directly parallel each other. Our story of industrialization, transportation, and immigration was their story. And prior to that, our regons were so interconnected by rail and other transporation, there was no question the US could be looked at as "North" and "South" before a shot was fired in the Civil War.

Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, IMHO, did and do have more in common with NY, PA, Mass than with Kansas, Nebraska, or South Dakota.

So when I look at the Great Lakes states, I don't see someting int he shaddow of the east coast, I see a region very much like the east coast, similiar in so many ways.....but with more land to spread out, with more stablility than the coasts offer, but a place that is sufficiently advanced and sophisticated and actually has beautiful scenery for vacation no matter what outsiders may think. Jealous of the coasts? That's bull shit.

^

No one here is "jealous" of the coasts. Trust me. To be honest I think the real meat of of the sentiments like we see in this thread comes from someone arrogantly telling you, right to your face, that your hometown and or region where you grow up "sucks" compared to their's, just like a 10 year old telling you how much better his bike is than your's even though he hasn't even seen your's. Get it? This brings about an especially crappy feeling, as a kid or as an adult, especially when you know the person telling you this doesn't have a clue about what they are talking about. I'm sure all of us have run into some coastal elitist at one point or another that has acted like the Midwest is totally backwards and has no cities or culture. This is a totally rude sentiment, and what makes it worse, is based totally in ignorance. If some coastalite wants to know what the big chip on our shoulder is about, that's it in a nutshell. If we were truly jealous of the coasts we would all be clamoring to move there, but I think the demographic trends show the reverse.

^ Well, when we midwesterners refer to the coasts, its D.C. all the way up to Boston, and then California. ;)

Yeah, it's so funny but people from let's say, Florida, Seattle, and Portland have such a different attitude than, let's say, Los Angeles or Boston. I know several people from Portland and Seattle here in Chicago and none of them have ever made a disparaging remark to me regarding the Midwest.

The "Coasts" to me are LA down to SF and Boston down to DC. I would even take San Diego away from my definition of "Coasts" because I have found people from San Diego much less elitist, but they still think there is no mexican food in Chicago. :sly: It's more "cute ignorance" though that in your face arrogance.

California has great weather. But what's the main difference between the Northeast and the Great Lakes region? Oh yeah, cost of living! I guess they are superior out there, because they pay twice as much for the same lifestyle (without twice the salary).

I think some of this "hating the coasts" is really just someone realizing how much they have to offer.

I've seen all three major California cities and they are all outstanding. The scenery and the weather is bound to blow a midwesterner's mind. I've seen all of the east coast from Boston to Washington DC. Out East, if you're a city buff, you're in one of the best areas in the world. So many great cities so close together. You got the granddaddy skyscraper city, New York, but Boston and Philly aren't that far away. And there's always Atlantic City. If you have a car out there, you have some pretty nice options for a weekend trip.

Now, I'm not saying the midwest sucks, yeah I live here. But, I live here because I was born here, and because a lot of my family is here. If someone would've asked me when I was in my Mom's womb where I wanted to be born and raised, I wouldn't have picked Minneapolis, or anywhere in the midwest.

I don't care what the coasts think of the Midwest, I fucking love them (especially the East Coast). I don't think East Coasters necessarily think the Midwest is a wasteland, I think they just know that their region has more to offer (which it does, especially if one is into urban life). Come on, if I were from the East Coast I'd feel the same way. Boston, Philly, Baltimore, DC-- all within 1-4 hours from New York-- do you blame them?

As for the West Coast, let them think they are superior to the Midwest if they want to. The reality is that California was a mere piss stop 100 years ago (I love San Francisco though).

California has great weather. But what's the main difference between the Northeast and the Great Lakes region? Oh yeah, cost of living! I guess they are superior out there, because they pay twice as much for the same lifestyle (without twice the salary).

....and a belief that if the temperature is 87° (summer) or 22° (winteer) in the northeast, that's considered mild, while temperatures of 88° or 21° in the midwest would be considered "extreme".

If you listen to some northeasterners, they'd have convinced they're swimming on Long Island Sound in January and wearing light sweaters throughout August.

Dammit, what is all this fascination with the coasts? Everything I read on this thread is repetitive. Now I think that the coasts are nice places, its just that I would prefer to be in the Midwest, though. Maybe coastal Americans are way more likely to be assholes than people from the South and Midwest, but that does not fit them as a whole. Personally, I love the Midwest, but the coasts are not superior to me or you or anyone else, we arent superior to them, and all of us shouldnt be thinking as if there is a superiority complex between each other. So in the future lets not automatically assume our experiences from a certain area are the norm, and if you have a problem with them, why should you even give a fuck?

let me put it this way. the midwest (to me) is like the northeast without a coast line. there aren't many cities on the west coast that can compete with the likes of st. louis, detroit, chicago or cleveland. thems be bragging rights. :yes:

as a former "coaster", i love the midwest.

Do you consider Upstate NY, or Central/Western PA the "coast"? Because if you are, I have to stop you there.... you can say a lot about the citizens of upstate ny; you can say they talk with a dorky accent (although it's the same one they speak with in much of the midwest), you can say they are crappy drivers, you can say they have 10 year old fasion sense, but mean, rude, arrogant, or anything similar is the last thing youi could call someone from upstate ny in general. Central and Western PA are very much the same. And edsg25 hit the nail on the head.... the great lakes and Northeast are probalby the most alike regions of the US, and those states have WAY more in common with the NE than they do with the plains states.

Why is it that about twice every month we see another "I hate the Coasts/The Midwest gets not respect" thread in this subforum, but when you look at the West and East Coast forums, you will absolutely never see any thread related to the Midwest in any capacity?

You guys can claim all you want that Midwesterners have no inferiority complex vis-a-vi the Northeast and Cali, but the fact that this type of thread constantly pops up in this forum seems to indicate otherwise. The Midwest will never be considered more than - wait for it, here's that word you all hate - flyover country until its citizens stop feeling the need to compare themselves and their region with the Coasts.

Please note that nowhere in my post do I say that the Midwest is in reality inferior to the Coasts; it just seems that many a Midwesterner believes this to be true, even if subconsciously. Is there any other explanation for the volume of threads like this?

As for international travel, Don Qui makes a point. It is a 2.5 hour, $180 flight from Logan to Reykjavik and a 3.5 hour, $220 flight to Shannon International. My parents will spend a weekend in Iceland or Ireland multiple times a year for less than $400 a person in total, something easily affordable for a middle-class husband and wife team without kids to support anymore. Iceland and Ireland in particular bombard Boston with tourist promos.

Do you consider Upstate NY, or Central/Western PA the "coast"? Because if you are, I have to stop you there.... you can say a lot about the citizens of upstate ny; you can say they talk with a dorky accent (although it's the same one they speak with in much of the midwest), you can say they are crappy drivers, you can say they have 10 year old fasion sense, but mean, rude, arrogant, or anything similar is the last thing youi could call someone from upstate ny in general. Central and Western PA are very much the same. And edsg25 hit the nail on the head.... the great lakes and Northeast are probalby the most alike regions of the US, and those states have WAY more in common with the NE than they do with the plains states.

you talkin' to me? are you...talkin' to me?

i say coaster becuase of new york state is on the east coast but i always felt that upstate NY is far more akin to the great lakes region than the rest of the northeast including downstate.

Why is it that about twice every month we see another "I hate the Coasts/The Midwest gets not respect" thread in this subforum, but when you look at the West and East Coast forums, you will absolutely never see any thread related to the Midwest in any capacity?

You guys can claim all you want that Midwesterners have no inferiority complex vis-a-vi the Northeast and Cali, but the fact that this type of thread constantly pops up in this forum seems to indicate otherwise. The Midwest will never be considered more than - wait for it, here's that word you all hate - flyover country until its citizens stop feeling the need to compare themselves and their region with the Coasts.

Please note that nowhere in my post do I say that the Midwest is in reality inferior to the Coasts; it just seems that many a Midwesterner believes this to be true, even if subconsciously. Is there any other explanation for the volume of threads like this?

As for international travel, Don Qui makes a point. It is a 2.5 hour, $180 flight from Logan to Reykjavik and a 3.5 hour, $220 flight to Shannon International. My parents will spend a weekend in Iceland or Ireland multiple times a year for less than $400 a person in total, something easily affordable for a middle-class husband and wife team without kids to support anymore. Iceland and Ireland in particular bombard Boston with tourist promos.


How exactly are you defining "inferiority complex"?

I would consider the intentions of this thread more annoyance than jealousy.

Look at the new topic that just popped up in the general NA forum about Chicago. And you can count the SE as another forum that doesn't do a whole lot of that. I mean, I do like a lot of what the MW forum talks about, but there's just too these kinds of negative inferiority-complex ish topics.

Why do people have to divide like this? Its almost like certain people in each division of the country want to become their own. The United States should be a whole... i look at it as one region...the different parts of the US all have there differences, but it somehow gives people the urge to divide. The midwest benefits the northeast, the northeast benefits the midwest, the west benefits the midwest and vise versa ( the list goes on..the point of that was to illistrate how every part of this country has a importance) You shouldnt hate the coast...its hating a part of the United States. Are you telling me you are not proud that your an American citizen? Its basically judging a book by its cover...and the cover is the media or a stereotype..all "regions" of the US are beautiful and have great people at heart.

By "inferiority complex", I mean a constant need to prove and validate oneself as being worthy and on equal terms with the Northeast and West Coast. There's a new thread in the US Urban Issues section about "Why isnt Chicago considered world class?" This demonstrates my point: when was the last time you saw a "Why isnt LA considered world class?" thread or a "Why isnt New York considered world class?" thread?

By "inferiority complex", I mean a constant need to prove and validate oneself as being worthy and on equal terms with the Northeast and West Coast. There's a new thread in the US Urban Issues section about "Why isnt Chicago considered world class?" This demonstrates my point: when was the last time you saw a "Why isnt LA considered world class?" thread or a "Why isnt New York considered world class?" thread?

Well, the issue here seems perhaps to be an issue of interiority complex as a result of being overlooked. "Hey! We exist too!!" Instead of "man, I wish we were like the coasts." It's like the middle child trying to get the attention of the parents.

That being said, its only natural for that same thread not to exist for L.A. or for New York. They are never overlooked one bit.

And that being said, it's a bit intellectually weak to simply glance at the situation, devoid of much background knowledge, and offer up some 'insight'.

"ooo! I figured it out! You midwesterners have an inferiority complex! Now I can reveal this great truth to you!"

Pretty lame.

It's best to offer productive comments to a forum instead of the same ol' rehashed misconceptions.

I did offer productive comments: I said "stop comparing yourselves to other regions." I specifically avoided qualifying the Midwest itself as inferior in any way.

And please dont preach to me about having no background knowledge on this subject. I see you've been here all of 5 months. I was moderating the original version of this forum in 1999, so I've seen literally hundreds of threads in which Midwestern forumers time and time again "rehash" the same theme: "the Northeast and West Coast ingore us and its wrong!!!" Get over it. I'll let you in on a little secret . . . people from the Northeast and West Coast not only ingore the Midwest, but also ignore everything in their own regions outside of the specific area where they live. As a native Bostonian, the realm of what I care about does not extend past I-495. Springfield, MA? Where the hell is that, Connectitcut or some place? As far as the vast majority of Bostonians are concerned, Philadelphia might as well be Atlanta (i.e. someplace that has zero impact on me and what I need to take care of today or tomorrow or next Saturday). About the only non-Mass/Rhode Island location I pay any attention to is New York, and even then pretty much only when the Sox are in the Bronx. People in the Bay Area give passing interest to Sacramento due to the exodus from SF to the capital region, and every now and then something about LA will come up, but thats it. If you're from New York, why would you even bother to concern yourself with anywhere else, barring family ties of course?

The same should be said for Chicago: basically everything you could ever want in an urban experience can be had, so why should someone from Chicago care one bit what people from New York, LA, Boston or SF think about his or her fine city? Yet people on these forums (much more so here than SSP) from the Midwest really do care.

You want a productive comment? Then let me reiterate: stop bitching about whether or not people from outside your region appreciate its qualities and start learning to simply enjoy what you have, regardless of how other people view it.

You want a productive comment? Then let me reiterate: stop bitching about whether or not people from outside your region appreciate its qualities and start learning to simply enjoy what you have, regardless of how other people view it.

Thank you, that's all I ask.

I agree. These threads tend to get started, though, by new forumers.

And that's actually a very good way to live life in general: simply enjoy what you have, regardless of how other people view it.

Nice.

Why do people have to divide like this? Its almost like certain people in each division of the country want to become their own. The United States should be a whole... i look at it as one region...the different parts of the US all have there differences, but it somehow gives people the urge to divide. The midwest benefits the northeast, the northeast benefits the midwest, the west benefits the midwest and vise versa ( the list goes on..the point of that was to illistrate how every part of this country has a importance) You shouldnt hate the coast...its hating a part of the United States. Are you telling me you are not proud that your an American citizen? Its basically judging a book by its cover...and the cover is the media or a stereotype..all "regions" of the US are beautiful and have great people at heart.

That's about as relevant as saying the sky is blue. The fact still remains that the coasts will always be viewed as the "better America" by the outside world. I'm sure you want to argue this, but that's just the way it is.

Who cares what those people on the coasts think? Should I really care for the opinion of some granola bars from Southern California thinks about me? They will be me when they eventually tire of the high costs of living in Taradise. Many people in NYC dont even give a shit about whats outside of their borough.

They may think we are dumb hicks, farmers, and blue collar factory workers--but we laugh at them all the time. We, along with the rest of the world laugh at all the idiots that roam the streets of L.A. on Jaywalking, freaky pop stars and their personal amusement parks, dumb Valley Girls, bums who look like Jesus, Laguna Bitches, burnt out hippies, and the rest of the dumb ass celebrities who live on dumb ass mountain--er I mean the Hollywood Hills.

You laugh at them, and they don't even know Milwaukee exists.

Fair trade off, I guess.

There's a lot of stereotypes being perpetuated on this thread! The east coasters I've known are generally very down to earth and cool.

There's a lot of stereotypes being perpetuated on this thread! The east coasters I've known are generally very down to earth and cool.

Oh, pretty much all the east-coasters I've known have been cool (I'm only a first generation midwesterner, the majority of my family is from the east coast, and I've been there many times, I spent last thanksgiving in Boston). But I do know from my travels that some east-coast sorts have really odd notions of the midwest but a LOT of midwestern sorts have even odder notions of the east coast, so it goes both ways.

You laugh at them, and they don't even know Milwaukee exists.

Fair trade off, I guess.

which then would prove what dumb arrogant fucks live out there. Perhaps they should be spending time in an American History class, rather than at the beach, the mall, or on the set of some teen bullshit show. I do laugh at them because pound for pound--California is home to more laughable fools than any other place in the world. :cheers:

Boring

The same should be said for Chicago: basically everything you could ever want in an urban experience can be had, so why should someone from Chicago care one bit what people from New York, LA, Boston or SF think about his or her fine city? Yet people on these forums (much more so here than SSP) from the Midwest really do care.

You want a productive comment? Then let me reiterate: stop bitching about whether or not people from outside your region appreciate its qualities and start learning to simply enjoy what you have, regardless of how other people view it.

first of all, i compeltely agree. stupid fucks just need to stop whining like little emotional bitches.

second point, i think the reason this kinda shit is SO MUCH MORE pervasive here at SSC than at SSP is the average forumer age. all these whiney "the coasts don't pay enough attention to me, wah, wah, wah" threads are invariably started by kids. you don't see this stupidity as SSP because we simply don't allow whiney, emotional kids to be a part of our discussions over there. so please keep in mind that most adult midwesterners on this and the other forum don't really care about this issue, it's just the kids over here on this forum that keep bringing the retarded issue back up and can't seem to let it go. i think it's mostly a projection of the larger insecurity inherent in adolescence.

Actually, I would say the older members are the bigger idiots here.

which then would prove what dumb arrogant fucks live out there. Perhaps they should be spending time in an American History class, rather than at the beach, the mall, or on the set of some teen bullshit show. I do laugh at them because pound for pound--California is home to more laughable fools than any other place in the world. :cheers:


Take this guy for example. Can you give me one good reason why people in California should be concerned about what goes on in Milwaukee?

Beer prices going up lately???

^ how do you know he's not some 16 year old high school kid?

anyway, my post was not about whether older or younger froum members are the bigger idiots, it was specifically about the insecure whiney bitching going on in this thread, and how we generally don't see retard festivals like this over at SSP because we don't allow these kinds of whiney, insecure kids to take part in the discussions.

Much of my family and friends in New York rave about Chicago, they really do enjoy, and most importantly, respect it. What they think of the rest of the midwest I'm not too sure. I do know that the majority of them honestly couldn't care less what happens out west. I'd probably feel the same way if I was a New Yorker. Not too sure if other east coasters feel the same way or what.

style 15, everytime i read one of your comments...its complain this complain that...why come on these threads if you..yourself...have no relevance to the topic at hand. These types of threads you wait for so you can jump into when the topic is arguementable. anyways, your right, my comment did not have relevance to the minds of americans these days. But you have to realize that most people are contradicting themselves when they say "im a true,proud, US citizen" and then they go on and say how one region sucks and this place sucks and so on. I would like to see if the soldiers fighting in iraq really care what differences the regions have...they are to busy fighting for your freedom while your just sitting at home typing on ssc like you are "mr relevance" the only reason you attacked my statement is because you were torn up by me on the other previous thread we argued in.

say something other then a rebuttal for once on these threads...cuz, for some reason thats all im reading.

and btw reddalert has more knowledge in his pinky then you do in your brain.

people in NY know about milwaukee, they drink old milwaukee beer when they are low on cash and have watched laverne & shirley plus they heard of dahmer.

style 15, everytime i read one of your comments...its complain this complain that...why come on these threads if you..yourself...have no relevance to the topic at hand. These types of threads you wait for so you can jump into when the topic is arguementable. anyways, your right, my comment did not have relevance to the minds of americans these days. But you have to realize that most people are contradicting themselves when they say "im a true,proud, US citizen" and then they go on and say how one region sucks and this place sucks and so on. I would like to see if the soldiers fighting in iraq really care what differences the regions have...they are to busy fighting for your freedom while your just sitting at home typing on ssc like you are "mr relevance" the only reason you attacked my statement is because you were torn up by me on the other previous thread we argued in.

say something other then a rebuttal for once on these threads...cuz, for some reason thats all im reading.

and btw reddalert has more knowledge in his pinky then you do in your brain.


lol..."torn up by me".

Yes, you tried argue how world-class Milwaukee is.

Do you wear velcro shoes too?

There is indeed this weird misconception on the coasts that the midwest is not diverse. I don't know quite how that one got started...

I forget where, but somewhere on this forum, someone in upstate NY indicated that New York City people have this notion that upstate NY is like the midwest. His point was that it was a misconception since his town in upstate NY was indeed very diverse.

I really don't know quite what can be done to get the word out that the Midwest is indeed quite diverse.

Take this guy for example. Can you give me one good reason why people in California should be concerned about what goes on in Milwaukee?

Beer prices going up lately???

why should we be concerned on what happens in California? California is only put on a pedestal because of its ties to entertainment and pop culture.

I dont care if they like Milwaukee or not. I really could care less. And I never said Milwaukee is world class.

and btw reddalert has more knowledge in his pinky then you do in your brain.

thanks UW! :cheers:

people in NY know about milwaukee, they drink old milwaukee beer when they are low on cash and have watched laverne & shirley plus they heard of dahmer.

thats all we seem to be noted for is beer, old t.v. shows, and our famous serial killer. I bet people in NYC think their proposed WTC transit center is unique and first of its kind in the U.S. too? :)

OMG this is funny, lol.

C'mon now let's just not worry about this stuff.

why should we be concerned on what happens in California? California is only put on a pedestal because of its ties to entertainment and pop culture.

I dont care if they like Milwaukee or not. I really could care less. And I never said Milwaukee is world class.

We don't care what happens in California...It's just that what happens in California has a much stronger effect on American life than what happens in Wisconsin, or anywhere in the midwest. Nowhere in the country has an effect on the rest of the country the way California does...Everyone is affected by Hollywood in one way or another.

I'm assuming you lack any fashion sense or style so you probably claim to not care what goes on there, but I'm willing to bet that your favorite video games like WarCraft also come out of California.

every since i went to cape town, i've wanted to live on the west coast close to the ocean. The quality of life just seems a lot better, and its warmer, less rain, and less drearyness IMO

Definitely more upbeat lifestyle on the coasts.

We don't care what happens in California...It's just that what happens in California has a much stronger effect on American life than what happens in Wisconsin, or anywhere in the midwest. Nowhere in the country has an effect on the rest of the country the way California does...Everyone is affected by Hollywood in one way or another.

I'm assuming you lack any fashion sense or style so you probably claim to not care what goes on there, but I'm willing to bet that your favorite video games like WarCraft also come out of California.

of course all the movies, games, and music I like comes from California...that doesnt mean I have to worship them like the dopes who watch MTV on a regualar basis seem to do.

On that same note, I am sure a good number of Americans have drank a Miller product, eaten cheese from Wisconsin, drank milk from Wisconsin cows, wrote or typed on paper from a Fox Cities paper plant (WI is leading producer of paper products in the U.S.), eaten Wisconsin cranberries (leading producer), had ginseng in their fashionable drinks (W.I. leading producer), drove to work on the power of an engine built in Wisconsin, took their boat onto San Francisco Bay powered by a boat engine created in Wisconsin, saw their future child/broken bones with ultrasound equipment/X-ray from GE Healthcare based in Wisconsin, crusied around on a Harley built in Milwaukee, took a nice sail on a luxury yacht built in Wisconsin, rode on a Metra Train built in Milwaukee, took the Staten Island Ferry built in Wisconsin, and the list goes on.

I'm not dissing Wisconsin, I really like going there for the scenery.

You have to understand, Wisconsin will never have the same impact on the day to day lives of people the same way California does. I'm sure North Dakota manufactures some product that is somehow used across the country, that in no way makes it influential.

lol..."torn up by me".

Yes, you tried argue how world-class Milwaukee is.

Do you wear velcro shoes too?

PROVE IT? when did i say anything that had to deal with that. it wasn't even in that thread. get a life you have no knowledge into any statement you make!

We don't care what happens in California...It's just that what happens in California has a much stronger effect on American life than what happens in Wisconsin, or anywhere in the midwest. Nowhere in the country has an effect on the rest of the country the way California does...Everyone is affected by Hollywood in one way or another.

I'm assuming you lack any fashion sense or style so you probably claim to not care what goes on there, but I'm willing to bet that your favorite video games like WarCraft also come out of California.

Dont you live in shaumburg? enough said.

Dont you live in shaumburg? enough said.

No, I don't. And even if I did, Schaumburg probably has a stronger economy than Milwaukee. What does Schaumburg have to do with anything? It's part of the Chicago metro, that alone makes it a better place than Milwaukee.

:)

everyone has to admit that midwestern weather is pretty depressing.

i love the midwest weather...it just depends on what you like. It was depressing when we had no sun for a few weeks, but weather will not effect where i will move in the future...unlike all those people that went to the southwest.. :bash:!

No, I don't. And even if I did, Schaumburg probably has a stronger economy than Milwaukee. What does Schaumburg have to do with anything? It's part of the Chicago metro, that alone makes it a better place than Milwaukee.

i just want to humiliate you more,...prove how Shaumburg, Illinois economy is stronger than milwaukee's?

For one, the median income in Schaumburg is more than double that of Milwaukee.

It may look suburban, but at least the town isn't reminiscent of Beirut.

income doesnt make an economy

Milwaukee’s broad-based employment sector, with a work force nearly 847,300 strong, brings resiliency to the local economy. A diverse group of large, productive companies provides the basis for economic growth. Manufacturing and service industries continue to be vital to the area’s stability. Milwaukee produces $24.1 billion in industrial goods annually and boasts a per-capita output of almost $14,000, making it a top area in terms of manufacturing output per capita. Retail sales total nearly $11.5 billion. The wholesale business adds receipts of $20 billion

okay, shaumburg facts/

do you sit here all day or what???

No shit Milwaukee is bigger than Schaumburg. Per capita, Schaumburg is more prosperous. By far.

OMG if I have to reply to another one of these threads.....

We are individuals. People have different personalities, different tastes, different everything.

Some people like the coasts some don't. I look at it as some of my friends think the best vacation in the world is to go surfing while others think that the perfect vacation is camping in the middle of nowhere.

We are all different. Celebrate our diversity and stop trying to pin those from the coasts against those from the midwest.

Style515,

Are you just here to rip on Milwaukee? That is the only core of any of your points. Milwaukee is a very cool, upbeat city with a lot of companies, and it is far more important than Schaumburg, let's get real. No one in here said Milwaukee is world class. You made the statement that people in California don't even know Milwaukee exists, and to be totally real, that is NOTHING to brag about or be proud about. I wouldn't put ignorance up on a pedestal by any means.

BTW you must be pretty young yourself seeing how much you seem to think movies and fashion really influence society. It only influences the very young and ignorant. Once you are actually secure in yourself you realize just how fake Hollywood really is. I would say the realities of what Milwaukee produces has a far greater, real impact on society than does fashion and pop. I mean come on, those things aren't even intrinsically real--they are just marketed for sake of externalities and superficialities that really don't matter when you are making bank and trying to raise a family.

do you sit here all day or what???

No shit Milwaukee is bigger than Schaumburg. Per capita, Schaumburg is more prosperous. By far.

LOL. You are comparing a wealthy SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD to a freaking diverse city. You realize that.

Don't let style515 taint your opinions of Chicago forumers. The vast majority are a classy bunch. style is an exception. He's just mad because he lives in the suburbs with his parents.

I am really starting to hate Chicago they have really proven how insecure they are today.

Judging a city based on one person, ahuh. Do I sense a little, jealousy? :bash:

Don't understand where you get this insecure BS, I have nothing but the utmost confidence in my city.

LOL. You are comparing a wealthy SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD to a freaking diverse city. You realize that.

Schaumburg has higher percentages of European immigrants than Milwaukee. I'd rather live in Schaumburg ANY DAY over Milwaukee only because its part of the Chicago metro.

I would say the realities of what Milwaukee produces has a far greater, real impact on society than does fashion and pop.

Harleys and beer, man. Harleys and beer. :cheers:

Harleys and beer, man. Harleys and beer. :cheers:

Those were the days, thanks for reminiscing.

I'd rather live in Schaumburg ANY DAY over Milwaukee only because its part of the Chicago metro.

The burbs are STYLIN'

The burbs are STYLIN'

Probably more so than anywhere in Wisconsin.

yeah its funny, because kenosha is a suburb of chicago, and yet its in wisconsin.

Probably more so than anywhere in Wisconsin.

SNAP! Another stylin' answer.

Schaumburg has higher percentages of European immigrants than Milwaukee. I'd rather live in Schaumburg ANY DAY over Milwaukee only because its part of the Chicago metro.

Have you even been to Milwaukee?

Those were the days, thanks for reminiscing.

correct me if I'm wrong, but Milwaukee still brews beer and still makes Harleys. Your city is famous for beer and making kick ass American motorcycles that are legendary around the world. I don't know why you'd be ashamed of that and want to deny it.

As for the original question: "I'm really starting to hate the coasts: Is that bad?",
I can imagine a person not being terribly attracted to the lifestyle of the East or
West coast, but to hate it seems a bit unbalanced.
I wouldn't want to move to the West Coast either, but I would never say I hate
it there... each area of our continent has its own beauty and advantages.

correct me if I'm wrong, but Milwaukee still brews beer and still makes Harleys. Your city is famous for beer and making kick ass American motorcycles that are legendary around the world. I don't know why you'd be ashamed of that and want to deny it.

Not ashamed or denying, actually quite the opposite. I always wished I lived in Milwaukee when Harleys and Beer were the leading econimic contributors. But I didn't, and I don't, so all I can do is reminisce (on the stories of others). Make sense?

Not ashamed or denying, actually quite the opposite. I always wished I lived in Milwaukee when Harleys and Beer were the leading econimic contributors. But I didn't, and I don't, so all I can do is reminisce (on the stories of others). Make sense?

No, it doesn't make sense, because I never said anything about Harleys and beer being the "leading economic contributors" for Milwaukee.

I was responding to yoyoniner's comments about Milwaukee's contributions to society. Harley motorcycles and Miller beer are huge contributions to American pop culture and are by far the most well known products from Milwaukee. Harleys and beer are still a part of Milwaukee, no need to "reminisce".

Make sense?

God, what a bunch of whining wusses. One of the advantages of being a little older is you get the opportunity to do a little traveling. I am one of the few folks I know who has road tripped in all 50 states and after a while you come to the conclusion that although minor points of style may vary from place to place; people are pretty much alike wherever you go and that there are interesting things to see, do, and explore just about everywhere if you keep your eyes and mind open.

A sense of worth comes from inside. It doesn't matter what someone else may think of your home town; if you are happy where you are;stay. If you aren't;move.

The disrespect that is showing on this thread, to the coasts as well as to other cities in the Midwest is really disheartening. Travel a little more and get a life.

God, what a bunch of whining wusses. One of the advantages of being a little older is you get the opportunity to do a little traveling. I am one of the few folks I know who has road tripped in all 50 states and after a while you come to the conclusion that although minor points of style may vary from place to place; people are pretty much alike wherever you go and that there are interesting things to see, do, and explore just about everywhere if you keep your eyes and mind open.

A sense of worth comes from inside. It doesn't matter what someone else may think of your home town; if you are happy where you are;stay. If you aren't;move.

The disrespect that is showing on this thread, to the coasts as well as to other cities in the Midwest is really disheartening. Travel a little more and get a life.

definitely the most intellectual comment on this thread....thanks :redx:

I wont look through this entire thread, but I will comment on the title.

Don't hate entire coasts. It's an insane notion.

Schaumburg has higher percentages of European immigrants than Milwaukee. I'd rather live in Schaumburg ANY DAY over Milwaukee only because its part of the Chicago metro.

First off, Milwaukee is pretty much in the damn Chicago metro.

Second off, Milwaukee was a city built by European immigrants. Tell me where Schaumburg was 100 years ago? And since when do higher percentages of European immigrants make Schaumburg a better city--even if that fact were to be true? Face it, Milwaukee is a city that doesnt feed off a bigger one.

And lastly, Schaumburg does not have a bigger ecnonomy than Milwaukee.
Milwaukees economy is just smaller than that of the Nigeria and the United Arab Emirates and (yes, the country with Dubai) is bigger than the entire economy of such nations as New Zealand, Algeria, Czech Republic, Hungary, Kazakstan, Croatia, Kuwait, and Oman. Granted, these arent exactly the most powerful nations in the world--but I hardly think a suburb can challenge us.

Back to the original topic at hand...

The coasts have an undeniable appeal to the outside world that the midwest will never be able to capture. The only people who think the midwest is better, are those from the midwest. Some of you try using California's trend factor against it, saying its for immature young people, yet you get uber-excited at the thought of your town getting a frickin Jimmy John's because it promotes "movement".

You can rationalize all day long that the midwest is as great, at the end of the day California is still known for Hollywood, and Wisconsin is still known for cheese curds and cheap beer.

Coasts? I LIVE ON THE GODAMNED COAST! :)

Wisconsin and Michigan have a much longer or comparable coastline than a good number of coastal states--including most Georgia, South Carolina, most of New England, New York, Mississippi, and Alabama. Whats better about an ocean over the lake anyway? You can swim in the Great Lakes, sail in them, surf in them, scuba dive for shipwrecks, suntan, play beach volleyball, etc. I would rather explore Northern MN,WI, and Michigan than some flat, white sand Flordia beach.

That's not what I meant, but if you consider Wisconsin to basically be California, that's ok.

You have that distinguishment.

Back to the original topic at hand...

The coasts have an undeniable appeal to the outside world that the midwest will never be able to capture. The only people who think the midwest is better, are those from the midwest. Some of you try using California's trend factor against it, saying its for immature young people, yet you get uber-excited at the thought of your town getting a frickin Jimmy John's because it promotes "movement".

You can rationalize all day long that the midwest is as great, at the end of the day California is still known for Hollywood, and Wisconsin is still known for cheese curds and cheap beer.

hahah, what is this guys deal with JIMMY JOHN'S?

i think part of the problem with the coasts are that they attract people who specifically want that west or east coast cache, more west coast... and are usually...horrible, one demensional people. not to say that there arent a ton of people like that in the midwest, it's just that they are plentiful, concentrated, and highly visible on especially the west coast. i'll exclude portland and vancouver...

That's not what I meant, but if you consider Wisconsin to basically be California, that's ok.

You have that distinguishment.

I dont consider Wisconsin to be California. I am asking why an ocean coast makes a place better?

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Just ignore this style515 character. This is a guy arguing that Schaumburg is a better "city" than Milwaukee! LOL! SCHAUMBURG!!!! With it's strip malls and dark roads. As if it's even a city!! LOL! I'm sorry dude but Schaumburg totally sucks in every way.

I live in Streeterville in Chicago and spend a lot of time in Milwaukee because I have some friends there. I don't think you will ever find anyone out there in the real world that would put Schaumburg above Milwaukee in ANYTHING unless they are little dorks sitting on their computer that have driven through Milwaukee once or twice. One is an urban city on Lake Michigan with a kick ass art museum, lake front bluffs, a sick riverwalk, and more bars than you would know what to do with. The other is a freaking dark, rural looking, flat suburb with an Ikea.

I live in Streeterville in Chicago

Lucky you.

Hmm. I wonder what Chicago would be like if you placed it on the east coast.

What would Chicagoans be like?

No, it doesn't make sense, because I never said anything about Harleys and beer being the "leading economic contributors" for Milwaukee.

I was responding to yoyoniner's comments about Milwaukee's contributions to society. Harley motorcycles and Miller beer are huge contributions to American pop culture and are by far the most well known products from Milwaukee. Harleys and beer are still a part of Milwaukee, no need to "reminisce".

Make sense?

Buddy relax. My last post was an explanation of my first one, not a disagreement of yours.

But, in response to your last post:

As things like Harley and Beer became less influential economically, their cultural grip on Milwaukee has loosened as well (note I said loosened, not diminished). I reminisced (I know... it's your favorite word), on the era when those things had a stronger economic (and therefore cultural) influence on Milwaukee.

Locals will talk about the cultural transition Milwaukee has been experiencing over the past decade (due to changing economic contributors). Their stories make me wish I could have experienced Milwaukee when Beer, Harleys, and Bowling Alleys had a stronger cultural influence. Those kinds of factors definetly still influence Milwaukee's culture (I'd be dissapointed if they didn't), I just wish they still had a stronger prescense.

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Just ignore this style515 character. This is a guy arguing that Schaumburg is a better "city" than Milwaukee! LOL! SCHAUMBURG!!!! With it's strip malls and dark roads. As if it's even a city!! LOL! I'm sorry dude but Schaumburg totally sucks in every way.

I live in Streeterville in Chicago and spend a lot of time in Milwaukee because I have some friends there. I don't think you will ever find anyone out there in the real world that would put Schaumburg above Milwaukee in ANYTHING unless they are little dorks sitting on their computer that have driven through Milwaukee once or twice. One is an urban city on Lake Michigan with a kick ass art museum, lake front bluffs, a sick riverwalk, and more bars than you would know what to do with. The other is a freaking dark, rural looking, flat suburb with an Ikea.

Milwaukee is about as visually appealing as present-day New Orleans.

Gary, IN is also on the lake, does that make it bad ass?

I'd rather live in Schaumburg because of it's proximity to Chicago, and just it being part of the Chicago metro. I don't hate suburbia like the rest of you...there's a reason why cities are cities and suburbs are suburbs.

I don't hate suburbia like the rest of you...there's a reason why cities are cities and suburbs are suburbs.

You're right, the difference is the people that live in each.

As a proud Chicagoan, I can most comfortably and uniquivicably say:

Schaumburg has nothing, absolutely nothing, that would put it ahead of either downtown Milwaukee or downtown St. Louis in any meaningful way.

The idea that the skyline of edge city is better than Milwaukee's or St. Louis's is a joke. Meanwhile, Schaumburg's "high rises" (if you must call them that) are strictly glassed in suburban. You can not walk between any of them. Public transportaton stinks (except for a free shuttle between Schaumburg's mother ship, Woodfield Mall and the smaller malls like the Streets of Woodfield.....original name, huh?....and others that surround it north and south.)

Look, I have nothing against Schaumburg. And I do shop Woodfield. But it is absurd when we Chicagoans throw such crap at othere midwestern cities that one of our edge cities measures up to their downtowns.

Schumburg more impressive than downtown St. Louis? Hell, no, and it's not even as impressive as downtown Clayton. In fact, not even close.

You're right, the difference is the people that live in each.

Suburbanites vastly enjoy a higher quality of life.

Rip on them all you want.

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I live in Streeterville and I GAURANTEE you that my "quality of life" is much better than yours just based on the fact I probably get more exercise everyday than you get in a week. I lived in suburbia--the only time you walk is to and from your car. It's a ludicrous lifestyle. The explosion of American suburbs has been completely coupled with the explosion of the obesity epidemic. You wonder why Americans are so fat, yet urbanites are usually so thin, it doesn't take a genius. I don't measure my quality of life by how many cars my garages fit--I measure it by my health.

I should also clarify, when I say Schaumburg, I'm including the suburbs that surround it. If Schaumburg was on its own in the middle of nowhere, it probably would suck, but it's obviously not.

I would take a good Chicago suburb...whether it be Schaumburg, Naperville, Arlington Heights, Buffalo Grove, Mt. Prospect, etc. over "urban" St Louis or "urban" Milwaukee any day.

I should also clarify, when I say Schaumburg, I'm including the suburbs that surround it. If Schaumburg was on its own in the middle of nowhere, it probably would suck, but it's obviously not.

I would take a good Chicago suburb...whether it be Schaumburg, Naperville, Arlington Heights, Buffalo Grove, Mt. Prospect, etc. over "urban" St Louis or "urban" Milwaukee any day.

Then what are you doing on an urban forum. You are obviously not a Chicagoan so don't try and act like one. You do realize many of those suburbs, in normal rush hour traffic, doesn't take much longer to get to than freaking Milwaukee. When I head up to Milwaukee it takes me 1.5 hours from downtown Chicago, and that includes getting out of the city.

I found some sick pictures of Schaumburg though... you are right it is pretty cool looking... very hip too:

http://www.pbase.com/theodore/image/39520833.jpg

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http://www.boomspeed.com/atucker7/MKE_Farewell_36.jpg

http://people.msoe.edu/~reyer/mke/2001b.jpg

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Schaumburg has better shopping than Milwaukee.

I GUARANTEE that suburban Chicago residents dress better overall than people in downtown Milwaukee. Louis Vuitton, Zegna, FCUK, Neiman Marcus...these are stores that suburban Chicago has. No one has ever propped up Schaumburg for the hip factor, but most "hip" suburbanites go downtown.

Even Schaumburg has trendier people than Milwaukee. Goto Privilege in Schaumburg then compare the style to wherever in downtown Milwaukee.

Chicago has an effect on Schaumburg, like it or not.

You've got to be kidding me, you are rattling off designer clothing brands? I've been to Schaumburg. I think I'd rather live in Milwaukee, and I'm from suburban Chicago (but south suburban chicago, that is a whole different world that style515 would probably never understand).

This thread is silly, why I even bothered to reply to it all is beyond me.

Dude...Schaumburg?

Schaumburg has better shopping than Milwaukee.

I GUARANTEE that suburban Chicago residents dress better overall than people in downtown Milwaukee. Louis Vuitton, Zegna, FCUK, Neiman Marcus...these are stores that suburban Chicago has. No one has ever propped up Schaumburg for the hip factor, but most "hip" suburbanites go downtown.

Even Schaumburg has trendier people than Milwaukee. Goto Privilege in Schaumburg then compare the style to wherever in downtown Milwaukee.

Chicago has an effect on Schaumburg, like it or not.

Naming off a bunch of big name brands and mainstream department stores doesn't do you any good when the real deal, and the best "fashion" if you are so obessed with that is found at the independent shops, of which the East Side of Milwaukee ALONE has more than Schaumburg. How old are you BTW? You can't be more than 20 years old to use "fashion" as some measure of how great a place is to live... you must really think you have some fabulous lifestyle but let me tell you if you tell anyone here in the city you live in Schaumburg they will look at you like you apparently look at people from Milwaukee. And if you don't think Chicago has an effect on Milwaukee and no one from Milwaukee goes to Chicago to shop, you are clueless about how close these two cities are. There isn't a "Cheddar Curtain" at the border of Wisconsin you know.

Milwaukee, and and other old, declining, cities are only impressive to "urban junkies" like yourself.

I'm not saying Schaumburg (or any Chicago suburb) is architecturally or historically impressive, but being part of the Chicago metro means the Chicago effect is much stronger here than in Milwaukee or St louis. Most of you would rather live somewhere urban at any cost, regardless of how shitty it is. It's really strange.

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Most people would call Schaumburg much shittier than Milwaukee. WAY more people call Milwaukee home and no offense but the East Side alone shits all over exurban, dark, boring, Schaumburg. I can't believe this is even a debate--you are the ONLY person to have this sentiment in the umpteen years I have been reading this forum. My friends and I would go to Milwaukee for dinner and nightlife and a change of scenery... why the heck would we EVER go to Schaumburg other than to get some cheap furniture at Ikea.

Which begs the question where the hell did you go the last time you were in Milwaukee... the freaking ghetto? Milwaukee looks WAY better than it did 10 years ago so it is anything but declining. The city is awesome and there are only a few old empty warehouses left to be converted into condos. The west loop looks as bad as some of the worst parts of Milwaukee.

then to respond to what you said earlier about some suburbs making way higher average incomes...well a up and coming burb' of milwaukee called Vernon....
Population (year 2000): 7,227, Est. population in July 2004: 7,462 (+3.3% change)
Males: 3,757 (52.0%), Females: 3,470 (48.0%)

Elevation: 890 feet

County: Waukesha

Median resident age: 39.4 years
Median household income: $71,366 (year 2000)
Median house value: $178,700 (year 2000)

Vernon, WI residents, houses, and apartments details

Races in Vernon:

White Non-Hispanic (97.5%)
Hispanic (1.0%)
Two or more races (0.6%)

eluding to the fact that all suburbia is the same! oak creek! brookfield! just like those d/a suburbs in northwest chicago. actually oak creek i vote the sickest suburb in milwaukee. i grew up by it and yeah no plans and all just SPRAWL and its still SPRAWL... every day a new 300,000 dollar home lot is being erected. one right next to bender park now. yikes.

Schaumburg has better shopping than Milwaukee.

I GUARANTEE that suburban Chicago residents dress better overall than people in downtown Milwaukee. Louis Vuitton, Zegna, FCUK, Neiman Marcus...these are stores that suburban Chicago has. No one has ever propped up Schaumburg for the hip factor, but most "hip" suburbanites go downtown.

Even Schaumburg has trendier people than Milwaukee. Goto Privilege in Schaumburg then compare the style to wherever in downtown Milwaukee.

Chicago has an effect on Schaumburg, like it or not.


As much as style515 gets on my nerves, he is definitely correct on this one.

MKE is absolutely terrible for shopping. You have the choice between almost non-existent department stores, or incredibly overpriced boutiques on the east side, brkfld, and mequon with very limited supply.

I can't begin to tell you how this has frustrated my wife. I think there are two reasons for this.

1) First, I think that MKE has evolved a very conservative lifestyle from its large, traditional german population. Even many of these people who are multimillionares will drive toyotas. Shopping at boston store would be considered wasteful by this bunch.

2) Second, for people who don't belong to group 1, many of these people will utilize the Chicago area for their high end needs. Remember, Northbrook Mall and Old Orchard are only a little more than 1 hr from many parts of MKE.

What has happened is, whatever is left in a group 3 is extremely small in number. These are the people who support the tiny rip-off boutiques. And then big box retailer such as The Gap, J.Jill, Abercromie, etc are the only things that are left.

I rarely (or never) buy clothes in Milwaukee.

isn't schaumburg your typical american sprawlly suburban hell? i'll take st. louis' or milwaukee's grit over schaumburg's stale cookie cutter neighborhhoods complete with lifestyle centers and no sidewalks.

You've got to be kidding me, you are rattling off designer clothing brands? I've been to Schaumburg. I think I'd rather live in Milwaukee, and I'm from suburban Chicago (but south suburban chicago, that is a whole different world that style515 would probably never understand).

This thread is silly, why I even bothered to reply to it all is beyond me.

aion, c'mon, you know you are going to get virtually NO support from fellow chicagoans on this one. it is silly to think of schaumburg in the same league as milwaukee or st. louis.

isn't schaumburg your typical american sprawlly suburban hell? i'll take st. louis' or milwaukee's grit over schaumburg's stale cookie cutter neighborhhoods complete with lifestyle centers and no sidewalks.

if you drop the hell (which it isn't), i'd have to say, yes, you've captured what little there is of its essence.

if a detroit developer hadn't built woodfield mall, none of you would have ever even heard of schaumburg. the whole place is basically an old (and small) German farming town, located along two routes that were penciled in to be a key future interchange that attracted a developer to build a mall in the 60's. that's basically it. except it is building a good sized convention center, if that excites you.

there are many people who live in Chicago (the city) who would tell you they wouldn't be caught dead going to schaumburg.

we can tag s-burg as the chicago's sprawl capital...its the core of all sprawlians.

isn't schaumburg your typical american sprawlly suburban hell? i'll take st. louis' or milwaukee's grit over schaumburg's stale cookie cutter neighborhhoods complete with lifestyle centers and no sidewalks.

The thing with Schaumburg is not only is it the epitomy of suburban hell, but it is totally flat, dark, and featureless.

As much as style515 gets on my nerves, he is definitely correct on this one.

MKE is absolutely terrible for shopping. You have the choice between almost non-existent department stores, or incredibly overpriced boutiques on the east side, brkfld, and mequon with very limited supply.

I can't begin to tell you how this has frustrated my wife. I think there are two reasons for this.

1) First, I think that MKE has evolved a very conservative lifestyle from its large, traditional german population. Even many of these people who are multimillionares will drive toyotas. Shopping at boston store would be considered wasteful by this bunch.

2) Second, for people who don't belong to group 1, many of these people will utilize the Chicago area for their high end needs. Remember, Northbrook Mall and Old Orchard are only a little more than 1 hr from many parts of MKE.

What has happened is, whatever is left in a group 3 is extremely small in number. These are the people who support the tiny rip-off boutiques. And then big box retailer such as The Gap, J.Jill, Abercromie, etc are the only things that are left.

I rarely (or never) buy clothes in Milwaukee.

yeah, brewtown has no where to shop thats worth a trip. Downtown needs so much work for in its retail affair. The grand ave mall is terrible! brady st. is probably the most "hip" area to shop, yet to find a parking spot is like augh! it can only get better as more residents and businesses move downtown....the best mall in milwaukee is mayfair mall or southridge mall..which are quite mediocre.

True, who really wants to drive over an hour just get some good shopping done? Most of these guys probably buy their clothes at Sears so I assume that shopping means nothing to them. Not surprising.

On top of that, you can't fly out of the country from Milwaukee (Canada doesn't count). It costs alot more to connect somewhere, and it's very inconvienient, you probably spend at least an extra 200-300 going out of Milwaukee. From SCHAUMBURG...you can be at O'hare (which goes everywhere) in about 10 minutes, maybe less.

Milwaukee basically has to come through Schaumburg to shop, or fly. Suburban Chicago might not be historic, but it has a lot more to offer than most places.

True, who really wants to drive over an hour just get some good shopping done? Most of these guys probably buy their clothes at Sears so I assume that shopping means nothing to them. Not surprising.

On top of that, you can't fly out of the country from Milwaukee (Canada doesn't count). It costs alot more to connect somewhere, and it's very inconvienient, you probably spend at least an extra 200-300 going out of Milwaukee. From SCHAUMBURG...you can be at O'hare (which goes everywhere) in about 10 minutes, maybe less.

Milwaukee basically has to come through Schaumburg to shop, or fly. Suburban Chicago might not be historic, but it has a lot more to offer than most places.


are you a freak, general mitchell INTERNATIONAL airport. actually we do fly out of the country. "INTERNATIONAL."

wow! you actually said something that was right...it is as a matter of fact cheaper to fly out of chicago...maybe because o'hare is the 2nd largest airport hub in the WORLD.

If Schaumburg is 10 minutes from O'hare, then are the jet engine noises enjoyable all night?? I had a friend who lived about 15 minutes from LAX in Inglewood and the jet noise was annoying to say the least

You guys claim "International" by flying to CANADA...

somewhere you could probably drive in equal time.

If Schaumburg is 10 minutes from O'hare, then are the jet engine noises enjoyable all night?? I had a friend who lived about 15 minutes from LAX in Inglewood and the jet noise was annoying to say the least

That is one reason I never felt I could live in those 'burbs surrounding the airport. However, if Schaumburg is AS good as Style says it is, then I should give it another try! Oh wait... last time I was there, I remember wanting to shoot myself as I waited in line to go to a movie with obnoxious 15 year olds. ;)

yeah flights to cancun, mexico,europe, and brazil must be hidden somewhere in canada

For one, the median income in Schaumburg is more than double that of Milwaukee.

It may look suburban, but at least the town isn't reminiscent of Beirut.

Milwaukee shits all over Schaumburg.

Style515 is easily the biggest joke and arrogant prick I've seen on these forums in YEARS. I think he is actually a freak computer program and not real.

I especially love using what type of CLOTHES you can buy as a way of measuring how great an area is to live. I mean that is an amazing one I have never heard before. I guess the fact you can get an $800 handbag in Schaumburg but only a $500 handbag in Milwaukee makes all the difference. That Cheddar Curtain at the Wisconsin border is really holding those Wisconsinites down. I remember buying Diesel shoes at Marshall Field's in Milwaukee at Mayfair Mall way back when Diesel was cool. I wasn't like "Wow, this area is so cool to live in since I can buy Diesel" but it certainly helped they were about 25% cheaper than here in the city. The international forumers must be laughing at this thread though especially when hundreds of millions of people go to bed starving every night and this guy is talking about how important it is for him to have his Prada handbags within a 10 minute drive.

And the comparison of income is equally hilarious and equally disturbing... never mind the fact that one is a freaking bedroom commuter community and the other is actually a diverse city. I would guess Schaumburg's average income is higher than Chicago too. Must be so much cooler than Chicago therefore and so much nicer.

You can't fool ANYONE on here fabulous exurban man because we have all been to Schaumburg and Milwaukee countless times. It's not like you are talking to kids here who haven't travelled. I've been in this area almost 27 years and other forumers in here longer than that. As far as I'm concerned Chicago and Milwaukee are practically one metro, considering their suburbs practically touch each other. There are so many more things that Milwaukee has than Schaumburg it isn't even funny. Not the least of which is a real urban lifestyle, great architecture, much more interesting, non-flat topography, freaking street lights on the roads, a much more diverse array of restaurants and nightlife (that you can WALK to no less), baseball and basketball stadiums, theatre and the arts, museums, lakefront parks, riverwalks, public farmer's market, major universities, I mean the list goes on and on. But I guess the mainstream designer brands within 10 minutes supercede all.

Schaumburg's very existence hinges completely on Chicago whereas Milwaukee is an actual city. And not only that, but it is a city that is an hour and a half away from downtown Chicago--hardly inconvenient if you MUST have your Prada handbag. You have to be rich AND stupid AND consumed by materialism enough to have to need Louis Vuitton. With that combination, believe me, a little hour and 30 minute drive is not exactly going to get in such a person's way.

But this is all a joke and to quote another forumer I'm not sure why I'm even replying. Style515 is like a dead cat... you feel like you should just pass it by but you can't help but be curious at it.

i'm so glad i came back to read this thread.

milwaukee vs. schaumburg!!! hahahahahaha! :laugh:

what's next, cleveland vs. homer glen?

the most hilarious part is that this douche actually believes his own shit.

and to all of my milwaukee brothers, remember that style is not a chicagoan and speaks only for his retarded exurban species. chicago loves you brew city. always has, always will.

Yoyoniner, there's actually more "international diversity" in Schaumburg. You might try saying Milwaukee has a ghetto so that makes up for it, I wouldn't put much past you

Schaumburg has more than double the foreign-born percentange that Milwaukee has. It's obviously more international.

You're also overlooking what I initially said, only that I'd personally rather in Schaumburg because of its close proximity to all of Chicago's amenities. Enough for 90% of the board to get their panties up in a bunch, only because one person would rather live in Schaumbug. Obviously Milwaukee has more history to it, but it's also in Wisconsin. The Land of Cheese.

You're a joke.

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Just ignore this style515 character. This is a guy arguing that Schaumburg is a better "city" than Milwaukee! LOL! SCHAUMBURG!!!! With it's strip malls and dark roads. As if it's even a city!! LOL! I'm sorry dude but Schaumburg totally sucks in every way.
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yeah, I dont know whats up with this "style" character. Then again, because he is from Schaumburg--the next "in style" from the "big city" is being an assclown. :)

I have a soft spot in my heart for Schaumburg. I got both my first girlfriend and and first kiss there...




...but besides that it totally blows.


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Yoyoniner, there's actually more "international diversity" in Schaumburg. You might try saying Milwaukee has a ghetto so that makes up for it, I wouldn't put much past you

Schaumburg has more than double the foreign-born percentange that Milwaukee has. It's obviously more international.

You're also overlooking what I initially said, only that I'd personally rather in Schaumburg because of its close proximity to all of Chicago's amenities. Enough for 90% of the board to get their panties up in a bunch, only because one person would rather live in Schaumbug. Obviously Milwaukee has more history to it, but it's also in Wisconsin. The Land of Cheese.

He's really getting a rise out of you guys. You're validating his view by responding to him. Let's compare Rock Island, IL or Joliet, IL or South Beloit, IL, or Urbana, IL, or East Saint Louis, IL, or Rockford, IL, or North Chicago, IL, or Waukegan, IL, or Markeson, IL to Madison, WI.

Milwaukee is about as visually appealing as present-day New Orleans.

Gary, IN is also on the lake, does that make it bad ass?

I'd rather live in Schaumburg because of it's proximity to Chicago, and just it being part of the Chicago metro. I don't hate suburbia like the rest of you...there's a reason why cities are cities and suburbs are suburbs.

Visually appealing as New Orleans? Thanks, I take that as a compliment--mainly because New Orleans is one of the most unique and beautiful cities in the country. Milwaukee is a beautiful city with its share of problems. For you to single out Milwaukee for having problems is ridiculous--considering Chicago and Milwaukee have quite similar problems with poverty, homicides, etc. You are judging Milwaukee on its inner city..which is unfair. It would be like saying Chicago is a hell hole, judging it only on neighborhoods on the Southside. I would post pictures, but yoyo already did it and there really is nothing to prove here--because all the other regular forumers have backed Milwaukee up on this issue--including Mods and Chicago residents.

Like I said before, Milwaukee is pretty much in the Chicago metro. I can start driving, jump on the El, and be in the Loop in a few hours--pending traffic. And I dont hate suburbs either...however if I had to live in one--I would take West Allis or Wauwatosa over Schaumburg.

Milwaukee shopping isnt outstanding, but its not terrible. I can find whatever I want here that I need. Wow, you have an IKEA--big deal. IKEA has already expressed intrest in bringing a store to the Milwaukee area, same goes to Cabelas....which you aint got. What are we missing? A Saks, Gucci, Armani Exchange? Who cares? Even if we had one, I wouldnt ever shop there and neither would you. Milwaukee shopping has rapidly improved over a few years and is only going to get better when Bayshore is completed and all the downtown condos are built--attracting a crowd downtown with more cash to spend to nicer stores, as opposed to Pimp Suit shops and ghetto shoes.

Ok. You shop at Cabela's.

STAY IN WISCONSIN.

Ok. You shop at Cabela's.

STAY IN WISCONSIN.


Let's compare Rock Island, IL or Joliet, IL, or Calumet City, IL, or Harvey, IL or South Beloit, IL, or Urbana, IL, or East Saint Louis, IL, or Rockford, IL, or North Chicago, IL, or Waukegan, IL, or Markeson, IL to Madison, WI.

You're a joke.

Doesn't St Louis got some more Jimmy John's to worry about?

There is absolutely nothing diverse about St Louis. It might as well be 1960 there.

Doesn't St Louis got some more Jimmy John's to worry about?

There is absolutely nothing diverse about St Louis. It might as well be 1960 there.

Let's compare Rock Island, IL or Joliet, IL, or Calumet City, IL, or Harvey, IL or South Beloit, IL, or Urbana, IL, or East Saint Louis, IL, or Rockford, IL, or North Chicago, IL, or Waukegan, IL, or Markeson, IL to Madison, WI.

Let's compare Rock Island, IL or Joliet, IL or South Beloit, IL, or Urbana, IL, or East Saint Louis, IL, or Rockford, IL, or North Chicago, IL, or Waukegan, IL, or Markeson, IL to Madison, WI.

It's just funny how this guy tries to play off Cabela's as being 'high-end'.

In Milwaukee, it might be.

Doesn't St Louis got some more Jimmy John's to worry about?

There is absolutely nothing diverse about St Louis. It might as well be 1960 there.

Let's compare Rock Island, IL or Joliet, IL, or Calumet City, IL, or Harvey, IL or South Beloit, IL, or Summit, IL or Urbana, IL, or East Saint Louis, IL, or Rockford, IL, or North Chicago, IL, or Waukegan, IL, or Markeson, IL to Madison, WI.

It's just funny how this guy tries to play off Cabela's as being 'high-end'.

In Milwaukee, it might be.

I could care less about "Cabela's" I just wanted to play with you.
Can we play your little comparison game, can we?

Let's compare Rock Island, IL or Joliet, IL, or Calumet City, IL, or Harvey, IL or South Beloit, IL, or Summit, IL or Urbana, IL, or East Saint Louis, IL, or Rockford, IL, or North Chicago, IL, or Waukegan, IL, or Markeson, IL to Madison, WI.

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Yoyoniner, there's actually more "international diversity" in Schaumburg. You might try saying Milwaukee has a ghetto so that makes up for it, I wouldn't put much past you

Schaumburg has more than double the foreign-born percentange that Milwaukee has. It's obviously more international.

You're also overlooking what I initially said, only that I'd personally rather in Schaumburg because of its close proximity to all of Chicago's amenities. Enough for 90% of the board to get their panties up in a bunch, only because one person would rather live in Schaumbug. Obviously Milwaukee has more history to it, but it's also in Wisconsin. The Land of Cheese.

More international? Please.

Even if it does have more foriegn born people (which I doubt), so what? Are Asian Indians better than Mexicans, African Americans, Southeast Asians/Hmong, Serbian, Iranians, and other ethic groups that call Milwaukee home? Tell me, does Scumburg have anything to rival Irish Fest, German Fest, Polish Fest, Bastille Days, Scotish Highland Games, Greek Fest, Mexican Fiesta, African World Festival, Arab World Fest, Native American, Festa Italiana,---each of these are either the largest festivals in the U.S (Indian Summer, German Fest,, Polish Fest, Bastille Days)., the Midwest (Mexican Fiesta), and some of the are the biggest in the world (Irish Fest, Festa Italiana)? Not to mention Summerfest--the worlds largest Music Festival.


Yes, we are the land of cheese--but also the land of Chicagos vacation homes and destinations. People in Chicago would rather go to Milwaukee than Schaumburg.

style515 where are you? Come out come out where ever you are? Let's play.

My turn:

Let's compare Rock Island, IL or Joliet, IL, or Calumet City, IL, or Harvey, IL or South Beloit, IL, or Summit, IL or Urbana, IL, or East Saint Louis, IL, or Rockford, IL, or North Chicago, IL, or Waukegan, IL, or Markeson, IL to Madison, WI.

Ok. You shop at Cabela's.

STAY IN WISCONSIN.

Chicagoland was pushing very hard to land this store just for you information. Cabelas is a very good place to shop if you are into outdoor activities--which much of Wisconsin is. I guaran-damn-tee you that its parking lot will be filled to the brim with Illinois plates.

Why is Buffalo always dissed? Can't it be thought of as the gateway to Canada?

Oh, man, you brought up Harvey ... ah, the memories ;)

(memories like someon trying to steal my uncle's car in the parking lot of the holiday inn, being chased out of dixie square mall when I was 16 by Harvey's finest, dancing at 'scary gangsta nightclub' while in high school ... I haven't been back there in years.)

i know what you are talking about. i resently moved to LA from pittsburgh and befor pitt i was in detroit. not everyone here is retarted. the vast majority are but you cant associate the faults of them to all of us. thats like me saying everyone in the middle is stupid and farmy.. i have to reason for that its just what everyone says.

with all the stupid bitchin i see on this website no need to start another...

Style, remember that by singleing out milwaukee, and choosing the issue of shopping, you sort of picked on a weak area that's not really important to a lot of people. It would be like saying chicago is not financially important due to a lack of a major bank HQ. To immediately draw conclusions on that is not really deeply understanding the issue. MKE is actually an interesting city with a definable personality. The fact that you don't see that is why forumers are having a field day tearing you a new one.

With that said, I do think that people have to quit taking a childishly negative attitude toward sprawl. It's a part of america, and some sprawlish US neighborhoods have a high concentration of professional talent. There is no doubt that places such as Oak Brook, Keniworth, Glenco, Burr Ridge, etc. have some pretty accomplished individuals that would laugh at our petty attacks on the evils of suburban sprawl.

I'm not saying Schaumburg is historic, walkable, etc - It's not supposed to be either. I just don't find downtown Milwaukee to be very impressive at all, regardless of how "historic' and "pedestrian friendly" it is. It looks like a small town honestly. I don't have any dislike for it either, I just prefer the "Chicago metro" to "urban Milwaukee"

Some people would rather live in a modern suburb and still have the amenities of a big city within 15 minutes. They can attack the suburbs all they want. If that justifies "tearing a new one" because they all agree with each other that's fine. Not everyone likes an old, rustic, look around them at all times.

Ps You may want to add Naperville to your list. I'd like to see these guys talk shit about Naperville when they can't even afford a square yard of land in the area.

milwaukee actually has suburbs like s-burg. so dont think its ONLY in chicago. brookfields median income is $76,000 for a town of 40,000

dp

I'm not saying Schaumburg is historic, walkable, etc - It's not supposed to be either. I just don't find downtown Milwaukee to be very impressive at all, regardless of how "historic' and "pedestrian friendly" it is. It looks like a small town honestly. I don't have any dislike for it either, I just prefer the "Chicago metro" to "urban Milwaukee"

Some people would rather live in a modern suburb and still have the amenities of a big city within 15 minutes. They can attack the suburbs all they want. If that justifies "tearing a new one" because they all agree with each other that's fine. Not everyone likes an old, rustic, look around them at all times.

Ps You may want to add Naperville to your list. I'd like to see these guys talk shit about Naperville when they can't even afford a square yard of land in the area.


1. Only certain areas of Milwaukee look old. The downtown is certainly not one of them. Just because a building is old doesn't mean it is rundown. There are only a few rundown, empty warehouses left in Milwaukee. Far from what you make it out to be.

2. Schaumburg is much farther than 15 minutes to downtown Chicago. It takes me 25 minutes to get to Ikea on a Sunday afternoon with NO TRAFFIC and I drive fast as hell--way faster than your average Chicagoan.

3. If I can own in Streeterville, I could own in Naperville. Naperville is way too far from what I consider to be civilization. I find places like Naperville and Schaumburg to be the most depressing places on earth. Books and entire essays are written about how depressing, materialistic, isolated, and FAT American suburbia has become. Those suburbs you keep listing off are epidomies of such a pandemic. I love the country. I love the city. But that hybrid bedroom community lifestyle where the only time you walk is to and from your car is losing its appeal to a lot of people that can afford to live in the city, hence why you see so much downtown revitalization happening in places like Chicago and Milwaukee. There is a reason it is more expensive to live in the city--it is much more desirable and there is a higher demand.

4. If you think a square yard of land in Naperville is expensive, you should try a square yard of land in Milwaukee. LOL.

BTW I'm convinced that Style is a teenager who lives with his parents. Who else uses what types designer brands you can buy as a measure of quality-of-life or uses reasoning like "It is the Land of Cheese" if they aren't a teenager. The reason I say this is that is exactly the type of reasoning I had when I was like 16. In other words, perception=reality and materialism=importance because, heck, mommy and daddy are paying for it, right? And at 16 what type of travel experience do you have? I don't care what he says, he can't be more than 16 years old.

BTW I'm convinced that Style is a teenager who lives with his parents. Who else uses what types designer brands you can buy as a measure of quality-of-life or uses reasoning like "It is the Land of Cheese" if they aren't a teenager. The reason I say this is that is exactly the type of reasoning I had when I was like 16. In other words, perception=reality and materialism=importance because, heck, mommy and daddy are paying for it, right? And at 16 what type of travel experience do you have? I don't care what he says, he can't be more than 16 years old.


i agree with you on this one...it was qouted to me as "expand your horizon" and this guy has failed on all levels.

You guys got me down to a T (almost). Is it that hard to understand that someone may like living in the suburbs more than the city?

City...dirty (for the most part), very expensive to live anywhere DECENT, wandering vagrants all over the place. I would take it over any suburb if I could live on Lake Shore Dr or Michigan Ave though.

The truth is, the suburbs can have the best of both worlds. Comfortable, affordable living with the benefit of having a world-class city in your own very county (if you're in Chicagoland). I have friends who live in the city who absolutely love it, others who absolutely hate it, and those who hate aren't any less "cool" or outgoing than those who like it. You're working very hard to brand suburbia as "uncool", which is the perception it may already have, but a large chunk of the "cool" young people you see downtown are from the suburbs. You never hear suburbanites complain about not living in the city - it only works the other way around.






If it really bothers you that much..log off. All of you acting like babies over ONE person disagreeing with you has proven to be very amusing.

ok, its fine for you to like the suburbs, but you have no real point to say how terrible milwaukee is or st louis,...you are a total contradiction to yourself and your peers.

You never hear suburbanites complain about not living in the city - it only works the other way around.


Hmm... you sure about that one?

I have found quite the opposite to be true.

You guys got me down to a T (almost). Is it that hard to understand that someone may like living in the suburbs more than the city?

City...dirty (for the most part), very expensive to live anywhere DECENT, wandering vagrants all over the place. I would take it over any suburb if I could live on Lake Shore Dr or Michigan Ave though.

The truth is, the suburbs can have the best of both worlds. Comfortable, affordable living with the benefit of having a world-class city in your own very county (if you're in Chicagoland). I have friends who live in the city who absolutely love it, others who absolutely hate it, and those who hate aren't any less "cool" or outgoing than those who like it. You're working very hard to brand suburbia as "uncool", which is the perception it may already have, but a large chunk of the "cool" young people you see downtown are from the suburbs. You never hear suburbanites complain about not living in the city - it only works the other way around.

If it really bothers you that much..log off. All of you acting like babies over ONE person disagreeing with you has proven to be very amusing.

Alright I am finished with this ignorant juvenile and lackadaisical banter. These forums are for informed discussion and opinion, not 'my block is richer than your block' garbage. Style - Blocked

ok, its fine for you to like the suburbs, but you have no real point to say how terrible milwaukee is or st louis,...you are a total contradiction to yourself and your peers.

Exactly. If the guy would have just said he preferred living in the suburbs versus a city, who cares, it's just a preference and I'd have no problem with it. But it is the arrogant attitude that has no basis in anything that was the reason I replied.

You have to realize that a claim that some western, flat, cookie cutter suburb, that could seriously be anywhere in Iowa or Kansas, is cooler than a major city is going to get some flack, especially on a forum about cities. And snubbing your nose at a state that is the #1 vacation spot for us Chicagoans is also a little weird. Milwaukee has nothing on Chicago (not that it ever claimed to), but Illinois has nothing on Wisconsin, as a state. If you prefer living out in the burbs, fine, but you certainly don't have to shit over an entire state or city to do so, especially one that shares your border, is a few minutes away, and has no basis for shitting on. And there is WAY more to life than what designer brands you can buy, let alone the fact that it's not like the stuff they sell at Marshall Field's in Milwaukee and Neiman-Marcus in Schaumburg is SO much different and will make your life SO much better/worse.

You guys do take this way too seriously.

Alright, today marks the first time I've read this thread since page 3. I've read everything from page 3 to page 10. This thread went from "I'm really starting to hate the coast: Is that bad?" to "Milwaukee vs. Schaumburg"



Schaumburg.............SCHAUMBURG!


Seriously, and I'm not trying to be funny, but this is the first time I've EVER heard of Schaumburg. Style515, are you saying that Schaumburg is better than Milwaukee? I don't have a problem with you saying you prefer living there over living in Milwaukee, but do you think Schaumburg, overall, is better than Milwaukee? Have you ever been to Milwaukee? If so, when was the last time you've been here?


But I've never been to Schaumburg, so I can't really compare it to Milwaukee. I have, on the other hand, been to Chicago about 10 times within the past to years, so.....go figure

I think the Chicago suburbs as a whole are better than most places in the country. It's not really fair to single out one suburb. There's something about being in the Chicago metro in general knowing that you're in a big and significant area.

I've known people from Milwaukee and they always seem to like the Chicago Suburbs. The only people with this hatred towards the Chicago suburbs are the "urban junkie" stooges that frequent this board.

Style515 lives in Des Moines. He gets off on disrupting these boards...and has pulled this garbage on absolutedsm.com (banned), eomaha.com (banned), kcskyscrapers.com, and dmjuice.com. We have offered to help him pack his bags to the ultra-fab life of Chicago, NY, or LA...but he just won't go! He's not someone you can have an "intellectual" or positive conversation with online. He seems to not understand why these types of boards (development) exist. Believe me...there is no reason to even try to reason with this guy.

It is nice though to see him not bashing Des Moines for a change! LOL And to think...he drives 6 hours for his Louis Vuitton!

See more of Style515's work at:
http://blogs.dmjuice.com/?p=1

oh Style, you fool. I bet you do love that Chicago suburb of Des Moines.

style, I don't know if you're bored and your just trying to aggravate everyone or if you're really are a stupid twat, but shut the fuck up either way.

Style515 lives in Des Moines. He gets off on disrupting these boards...and has pulled this garbage on absolutedsm.com (banned), eomaha.com (banned), kcskyscrapers.com, and dmjuice.com. We have offered to help him pack his bags to the ultra-fab life of Chicago, NY, or LA...but he just won't go! He's not someone you can have an "intellectual" or positive conversation with online. He seems to not understand why these types of boards (development) exist. Believe me...there is no reason to even try to reason with this guy.

It is nice though to see him not bashing Des Moines for a change! LOL And to think...he drives 6 hours for his Louis Vuitton!

See more of Style515's work at:
http://blogs.dmjuice.com/?p=1

lol. Wow.

Style515 lives in Des Moines. He gets off on disrupting these boards...and has pulled this garbage on absolutedsm.com (banned), eomaha.com (banned), kcskyscrapers.com, and dmjuice.com. We have offered to help him pack his bags to the ultra-fab life of Chicago, NY, or LA...but he just won't go! He's not someone you can have an "intellectual" or positive conversation with online. He seems to not understand why these types of boards (development) exist. Believe me...there is no reason to even try to reason with this guy.

It is nice though to see him not bashing Des Moines for a change! LOL And to think...he drives 6 hours for his Louis Vuitton!

See more of Style515's work at:
http://blogs.dmjuice.com/?p=1

I think you have the wrong person. Des Moines is a pretty town, I have nothing against it.

I'm 100% sure your the same person. Your use of language and attitude are very identical...and with the same screen name. Your not fooling me.

This is the nail in the coffin (posted on www.dmjuice.com, a Des Moines tabloid publication):
November 10th, 2005 at 6:23 pm style515 said:

Act 1

Enter the Message Board Matrix

Please don’t tell me you take these boards seriously, the people who usually post on these boards are always in total agreeance with each other. Yes, its fun to shake things up a bit and get reactions out of you. (I don’t hate anyone here, or anywhere for that matter). I can take it for what it is. You obviously can’t.

That doesn’t change the fact that Des moines does stupid things that NEED to be pointed out…for instance the upcoming $150,000 study on “Des Moines Nightlife.” As if we need to verify that Court Ave is busier at night than most of the city. I point these things out (because there are so many), and people like you don’t like it because you are so gung-ho DSM, and all you can do is assume I must be full of hate and anger because I disagree with the rest of you.

You said earlier today that farmers are great businessmen, seriously, I’ve never heard a stupider thing in my life. You’re probably from Audobon or Story City, recently moved here, and feel a primal need to come to the rescue of Des Moines (your NYC) anytime I point out one of the 2,301 ridiculous things this town does to sound like a big city.

My birthday is May 15th...that's where the 515 is from. Um, ok. Glad to learn about Iowa's capital city from someone using the same name as me.

That post sure does sound like him. There are not too many people who consistently snub their nose at others like that and act like they are some big shot. His comments about farmers is right inline with his whole perception and comments about other states and cities. The attitude is spot on identical.

Now I remember you style515, you came on kcskyscrapers.com talking shit on Des Moines.

http://www.kcskyscrapers.com/newforum/index.php?topic=5535.0
where Des Moines does nothing but pretend its an up-and-coming Minneapolis-quality city. Its not. not even close, the burbs are more exciting than the city (they love avoiding that topic too). The best way the Des Moines forum admin deal with anything they don't agree with, runaway or delete it. Other members can back up that I have been fair-minded and realistic in my points.

I'm all about hugs & high Fives for Des Moines, Kansas City...everywhere.

Style515 lives in Des Moines.

That is hilarious.

My birthday is May 15th...that's where the 515 is from.

"515" is also Des Moines' area code. What a WEIRD coincidence!

^ it's not a coincidence, i ran a quick IP check and this style515 dude is actually posting from somewhere in Iowa, hundreds of miles from his alleged home of Northbrook, IL.

i don't know why he lied about where he lived, but i guess it's because he felt that a chicagoland location gave him some kind of high ground from which to put down the rest of the midwest. he's probably got an aunt or uncle or sibling who lives in northbrook that he visits regularly.

one of the more curious aspects of this little ruse of his is why some kid from des moines would have such a hard-on for schaumburg, IL. he must have gone down to woodfield mall on one of his visits to his relative(s) in northbrook and had his humble iowa mind blown away by the myriad name-brand shopping options. i guess woodfiled would impress coming from an iowa perspective, but its really nothing more than a bloated sprawl-mall out in the sticks.

^ it's not a coincidence, i ran a quick IP check and this style515 dude is actually posting from somewhere in Iowa, hundreds of miles from his alleged home of Northbrook, IL.


How did you get his IP address? I think IP addresses should be public.

t's not a coincidence, i ran a quick IP check and this style515 dude is actually posting from somewhere in Iowa, hundreds of miles from his alleged home of Northbrook, IL.

i don't know why he lied about where he lived, but i guess it's because he felt that a chicagoland location gave him some kind of high ground from which to put down the rest of the midwest. he's probably got an aunt or uncle or sibling who lives in northbrook that he visits regularly.



Pretty amazing people would bother to do this, fabricate an identity and location, just for talking purposes.

Going to COLLEGE in Iowa.

THANKFULLY not from here.

Well, this has all been very enlightening.

Doesn't St Louis got some more Jimmy John's to worry about?

There is absolutely nothing diverse about St Louis. It might as well be 1960 there.
Uh-oh...

Going to COLLEGE in Iowa.

THANKFULLY not from here.

you've proven yourself to be a liar, why should we belive anything you say?

you've been exposed as the fraud that you are, why don't you save whatever little face you have left and simlpy leave this forum?

I'm not from Iowa you jackass. I don't consider it to be my "home", at all.

I was back in NW suburbs this month...just getting a Portillo's big italian beef reminded me of how much better it is.

Love Woodfield Mall

Love tanning salons on DUNDEE

Love Lou Malnati's deep dish

Love the DAN RYAN skyline view...


and most of all. Love chicago.

The problem is your arrogance man. You need to get that in check. Arrogance is never cool, especially if it stems from something you or other people can't help, like where you were born or where you are from. I bet you act like you are some big shot in Iowa just because you are from some Chicago suburb, which is ridiculous.

Run my IP too if you feel it necessary. I am Kansas City proud .

72.129.226.119 kc.res.rr.com

By the way anyone with even basic knowledge of a pc can use a proxy server.

The problem is your arrogance man. You need to get that in check. Arrogance is never cool, especially if it stems from something you or other people can't help, like where you were born or where you are from. I bet you act like you are some big shot in Iowa just because you are from some Chicago suburb, which is ridiculous.

I do make it clear that I'm not from Iowa.

^ha ha Iowa, lol. What a fucking joke you are. Everything you've said on this forum was moot even when you had us thinking you were from a Chicago suburb (bragging about suburbs lol!), but your posts are completely meaningless now.

^ha ha Iowa, lol. What a fucking joke you are. Everything you've said on this forum was moot even when you had us thinking you were from a Chicago suburb (bragging about suburbs lol!), but your posts are completely meaningless now.

Missouri and Iowa are almost no different when it comes to how the people are. In Iowa's defense (and I don't do this much), Missouri still has a more backwards society with three or four times the rednecks, racists, and Nascar fans that Iowa will ever have.

Yes people, the KLAN is still alive and well in Missouri. Last time I was there, it felt like going back in history straight to the days of the Confederacy.

oh, all of a sudden what you say is so meaningful! Shut up, loser. You're a fraud and everyone here knows it.

Owned. :crazy:

oh, all of a sudden what you say is so meaningful! Shut up, loser. You're a fraud and everyone here knows it.

Any klan marches in good ol Missour-a lately?

Your hometown will never be as great mine (even if I don't live there now).

Your hometown will never be as great mine.

false.

st. louis shits all over northbrook, IL. :D

Dan, you're a weird guy sometimes. That's the difference between you and me, it's all Chicagoland to me. You hate the suburbs, at the same time, I doubt you've ever lived anywhere remotely affluent.

You hate the suburbs

again, false.

i love evanston. in fact my office is right smack dab in the middle of downtown evanston. i hate auto-centricity, not suburbia. the fact that i've mentioned this disticntion to you nearly a dozen times now and you still have yet to pick up on it leads me to believe that you're a little slow on the uptake.

as for the affluence thing, i grew up in wilmette. i don't know if that burb is posh enough to rank on your affluence list or not. either way, i don't care, because it's not like i would ever voluntarily live there again.

You always draw the continental divide between Chicago and the "newer suburbs". It's really unfair, and kind of mean.

Evanston was pretty much established not too long after the city. It's considered a suburb by definition, at the same time it's not reflective of suburbia.

^ i don't disike auto-centricty to be unfair and mean, i detest it because it is a retarded way to build communties for human beings. for tens of thousands of years human beings have built communites based on themselves, then all of a sudden in the past 50 years, american fuck-tard planners decided that building communities for human beings was an old, out-dated idea and that the better way to do it was to build communities for automobiles, instead of people. well, we have reaped what we have sown in this country, and the last 50 years of american suburban development represent the single worst period of human community building since the inception of our species.

yes, we really did fuck up that bad.

Ok, but did it ever occur to you that some people like big back yards...and just having general space?

You'd be better off arguing that America is undercrowded.

Ok, but did it ever occur to you that some people like big back yards...and just having general space?


you mean, did it ever occur to me that human beings are fueled by greed? yes, of course i realize that. the automobile has simply been the catalyst that has allowed the common man to realize the full potential of his dark side.

there is no more "we", only "i".

thanks a lot detroit.

Most countries complain about too much density, and to you, America doesn't have enough.

Those people make the conscious choice to live where they do...no need to think bad of them for wanting better schools and a general slower pace of life. I had friends who were very "city", and others preferred the suburbs...in the end...everyone parties in the city.

Most countries complain about too much density, and to you, America doesn't have enough.


density is just a number. i am much more concerned with how we build communities than i am with how dense they are. i would only ever argue for smart, human-based community design, like our species has done since the dawn of time (the last 5 decades excluded).

You want to eliminate sprawl basically. It's too late now, why be so concerned about what's already happened?

It's like being upset at a big part of American history...it's not going to change.

slavery was a big part of american history too. am i supposed to not be upset by that either? becuase it happened, it's ok? what the fuck kinda retard logic is that?

just because something has happened doesn't mean that it's good or that i have to like it. i like what i like and i dislike what i dislike.

slavery was a big part of american history too. am i supposed to not be upset by that either? becuase it happened, it's ok? what the fuck kinda retard logic is that?

just because something has happened doesn't mean that it's good or that i have to like it. i like what i like and i dislike what i dislike.

I think comparing urban sprawl to slavery is retard logic. As if urban sprawl was as bad as slavery, wow and wow. I really can't believe you hate it that much.

^ He didn't say that sprawl was as bad as slavery. However, you stated earlier that him hating sprawl was just him hating a part of american history and a little useless; what's done is done. He was simply stating that just because something happened in american history doesn't mean that it is useless for him to hate it.

And yes, perhaps it is a little "mean" to pick on these newer suburbs. They allow people who aren't exceedingly wealthy to partake in the american dream. However, I can't say quite how fond I am of this version of the american dream. It's like the mass production of homes. I feel that these towns totally take away from a nice human creative element that you find in older towns. There's a definite aesthetic difference between older suburbs and newer suburbs that anyone should be able to pick up on. I do enjoy taking a leisurely drive through the north shore. In contrast, if I have to go to IKEA, I try to just go in, and get out of that area as fast as possible. I look forward to a trip to Oak Park. I dread a trip to Naperville.

I don't even hate the american dream. I would prefer, of course, to see much more "we" action than "I" action in America. But that really isn't going to change unless some major catalyst occurs. Nonetheless, I actually get a bit sad when I see certain suburbia. It's just nothing to be proud of. It's more something to be ashamed of. But people seem to care a little less out there, since they spend most of the time inside their homes anyway. However, this is a cultural thing, and until something changes, it is good to have people like Steely (who I presume is an urban planner of some sort) who really passionately disdains sprawl in order to at least promote more balanced (as in not crazily sprawled) planning in the future.


On the flip side, not everyone can walk. Some people (namely the elderly) have physical limitations. For these purposes, the automobile can be quite good. We just need to develop ways of integrating a high quality of life for both the pedestrian and the auto dependent person. And in doing this, it also should be presumed that most people can walk just fine. ;)

Your hometown will never be as great mine
What a fucking dork you are.

What's sad is this guy thinks he is "cool" because he grew up in an area that was just farmfields not a couple decades ago. LOL.

oh well, lets not take this guy serious, its his opinion...let it be. We all know the truth, so why argue it to someone who is not willing to admit it?.....

^ He didn't say that sprawl was as bad as slavery. However, you stated earlier that him hating sprawl was just him hating a part of american history and a little useless; what's done is done. He was simply stating that just because something happened in american history doesn't mean that it is useless for him to hate it.

And yes, perhaps it is a little "mean" to pick on these newer suburbs. They allow people who aren't exceedingly wealthy to partake in the american dream. However, I can't say quite how fond I am of this version of the american dream. It's like the mass production of homes. I feel that these towns totally take away from a nice human creative element that you find in older towns. There's a definite aesthetic difference between older suburbs and newer suburbs that anyone should be able to pick up on. I do enjoy taking a leisurely drive through the north shore. In contrast, if I have to go to IKEA, I try to just go in, and get out of that area as fast as possible. I look forward to a trip to Oak Park. I dread a trip to Naperville.

I don't even hate the american dream. I would prefer, of course, to see much more "we" action than "I" action in America. But that really isn't going to change unless some major catalyst occurs. Nonetheless, I actually get a bit sad when I see certain suburbia. It's just nothing to be proud of. It's more something to be ashamed of. But people seem to care a little less out there, since they spend most of the time inside their homes anyway. However, this is a cultural thing, and until something changes, it is good to have people like Steely (who I presume is an urban planner of some sort) who really passionately disdains sprawl in order to at least promote more balanced (as in not crazily sprawled) planning in the future.


On the flip side, not everyone can walk. Some people (namely the elderly) have physical limitations. For these purposes, the automobile can be quite good. We just need to develop ways of integrating a high quality of life for both the pedestrian and the auto dependent person. And in doing this, it also should be presumed that most people can walk just fine. ;)

I like your perspective. I just can't expect new suburbs to try modeling themselves after the neighborhoods, walking streets of a big city. At this point, it's impractical. I do like how some suburbs are establishing "urban centers" by the metra lines. Arlington Heights has done this, Mt. Prospect also, even Naperville has a makeshift "downtown". I'm sure most of the people here will hate it because it's unfortunately not in the City.

no one respond to this thread. just end it!

no one respond to this thread. just end it!

kindly cut yourself.

So . . . hows about them snobby Coasters, eh? What a bunch of ignorant fuckheads.

It's not really fair to single out one suburb.
Huh? YOu were the one comparing, one suburb, Schaumburg to a city. LOL

:)

So in that case:

I just wanted to play with you.
Can we play your little comparison game, can we?

Let's compare Rock Island, IL or Joliet, IL, or Calumet City, IL, or Harvey, IL or South Beloit, IL, or Summit, IL or Urbana, IL, or East Saint Louis, IL, or Rockford, IL, or North Chicago, IL, or Waukegan, IL, or Markeson, IL to Madison, WI.

And as you will notice not all of those IL towns are suburbs. Unless you want to lump East Saint Louis in with the ring around Chicago. Ex-exurbia, I guess you would call it. :)


And I don't hate the coasts, and I don't think everyone from that region of the country doesn't know about the Great Lakes region. Some of them definitely know now, With the surfing movie about catching waves around the world, including the Great Lakes. Which reminds me, new thread about movies and cities regionally.

again, false.

i love evanston. in fact my office is right smack dab in the middle of downtown evanston. i hate auto-centricity, not suburbia. the fact that i've mentioned this disticntion to you nearly a dozen times now and you still have yet to pick up on it leads me to believe that you're a little slow on the uptake.

as for the affluence thing, i grew up in wilmette. i don't know if that burb is posh enough to rank on your affluence list or not. either way, i don't care, because it's not like i would ever voluntarily live there again.

^ Come on, Steely, you're wasting your time with Style 515

It's like visiting the zoo and talking to one of the baboons. He's set in a stereotypical, cyclical mode of thinking and nothing registers. He doesn't GET what we're trying to say. And until he does, he's going to keep annoying everybody

^ i know, urb, i know.

but the incessant little fucker is so damn good at sucking people into his shit-tornados. he got me last night, unfortunately.

^ i know, urb, i know.

but the incessant little fucker is so damn good at sucking people into his shit-tornados. he got me last night, unfortunately.

Steely Dan, I want to call a truce.
I love Chicago, and I will from now on, ignore any of STYLE's postingsTOO
so I DON'T have the need to counter his bashing of other midwest towns.

With the surfing movie about catching waves around the world, including the Great Lakes.

What movie is this? Is this out in the theatres?