BY THERESE MARGOLIS/THE HERALD MEXICO
El Universal
January 20, 2006 (http://www2.eluniversal.com.mx/pls/impreso/noticia.html?id_nota=16663&tabla=miami)

Ask Philippines Ambassador to Mexico Justo O. Orros about the current trend to develop international free trade blocs, and he´ll tell you that the whole idea started back in 1565, when the Nao galleons plowed the Pacific carrying goods between the ports of Manila and Acapulco.

"In a way, you could say that the Philippines-Mexico trade routes were the forerunners to NAFTA (the North American Free Trade Agreement) and the European Union (EU)," Orros told The Herald in a recent interview at his embassy.

For more than 250 years, a small fleet of Spanish vessels - known in Mexico as the "Nao de la China" - made the 9,000-nautical-mile trek between Mexico and the Philippines, constituting the most important trade route to the East for the Iberian crown.

And it wasn´t just Philippine goods that were being transported.

Although the Philippines provided some products to be shipped to the New World, it was primarily spices and other items from the "Spice Islands," as well as silk, porcelain, gold, ivory, gemstones, jade, mercury and other valuables from China which made the Manila galleon trade so lucrative.

Wares from Japan, India and parts of Southeast Asia also made their way to first to Manila and then on to Mexico.

"The route represented a vast regional trade bloc," Orros said. "When we realize today just how vital the Philippines-Mexico route was to global trade at that time, it is easy to understand how closely linked the histories of our two countries really are."

Even that uniquely Mexican historical icon the "China Poblana," who was supposedly brought from the East as a slave during the early 1600s and captured the hearts of the people of Puebla because of her kind acts and extraordinary mode of dressing, was in fact a Filipino noblewoman who came to Mexico on a Nao galleon.

Likewise, Orros said Mexican and Filipino history are closely linked by a spiritual connection between the Philippines´ most important hero and patriot José Rizal and the revolutionary insurgents that freed Mexico from Spanish rule in the early 1800s.

"Rizal never in fact set foot on Mexico soil," Orros said, "but clearly he and many other Philippine political thinkers were influenced by the Mexican example to cast off Spanish domain and the Mexican nationalist fervor."

Even linguistically, there is a correlation between the Philippines and Mexico, he said.

"Our native language, Filipino (also known as Tagalog) has over 10,000 words with Spanish roots," he said.

"Moreover, as of 1935, the Virgin of Guadalupe is our country´s official patron saint, which means that each year, hundreds of Filipinos come to Mexico to pay homage to the Blessed Mother."

Another interesting historical tie between the two countries took place during the Second World War, when the only Mexican servicemen to participate in the conflict, an elite squadron of air force pilots known as the Escuadrón 201, was sent by Washington to back Allied Forces.

Originally, Orros said, the squadron was slated to go to Italy to support U.S. troops, but after then-President Manual Ávila Camacho spoke to the pilots, he asked his American counterpart, Franklin D. Roosevelt, to instead send them to the Philippines, "where they could fight side-by-side with their Filipino brothers."

Although only a handful of those brave pilots are still alive today, the Philippine government considers them national heroes, and in November of 2004, they were personally decorated by Philippine President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo during an official visit to Mexico City.

"I am working to try to arrange for the surviving squadron members to visit the Philippines as guests of our government," Orros said, "but because they are now quite old, we have to consider their health and whether such a long trip is feasible or advisable."

Meanwhile, the ambassador is diligently waging his own battle to revitalize the spirit of trade that first defined Philippine-Mexican relations.

"I think that with the close friendship that has always existed between our countries and the constant intertwining of our histories, we can regenerate the old trade connections," he said.

"Today, the figures for our combined bilateral trade are not very encouraging, amounting to about US$340 million in 2004."

Admittedly, Orros said, there is a considerable overlap of products being produced and exported by Philippine and Mexican manufacturers.

However, the nations could become important partners in terms of shipping routes, he said.

He added that he would like to see more bilateral investment cooperation.

The Mexican cement giant Cemex already has long-term direct investments in the Philippines to the tune of nearly US$1 billion, and a Philippine firm has holdings in a Veracruz shipping service.

To help jumpstart trade and investment, Orros said that a Philippine-Mexico Business Council was established in 1996, and as a consequence, there are plans for an exchange of commercial delegations sometime later this year.

Further down the road, he said he would like to see a "special trade agreement" between the Philippines and Mexico.

An existing, but poorly utilized, cultural and academic agreement is also up for review in 2006 by a joint commission which Orros said could galvanize two-way cooperation in the these fields.

"The problem in the past has always been money," he said. "It is great to think up wonderful, elaborate projects, but unless you have the resources to carry them through, there isn´t a lot going to get done. What we need to do is find projects that are doable."

The ambassador has also worked to establish sister-city relationships between Philippine and Mexican towns.

In the end, Orros said that the renewal of Mexican-Philippine cooperation is inevitable.

"Destiny has repeatedly brought our two countries together, and I am sure that it will happen again," he concluded.

"We share a common bond of friendship and history, and all we need to do now is build on that to create a new Mexico-Philippines commercial link that will be as strong and as globally influential as the Nao galleon routes were 400 years ago."

Latin peoples are long gone after the fall of the Roman Empire in 400 AD and only the Vatican has Latin as its official language. I

However, there is Latin America and perhaps even Latin Asia if you include Philippines within the context. ;)

In fact, Philippines is part of the Latin Union (http://www.unilat.org/SG/index.es.asp).

By the way, check out how a country can be admitted to the Latin Union.

You aren't understanding, but that's ok.. it takes getting used to the idea that your wrong.

No one includes "Latin Asia':nuts: there is no such thing. You'd have to include 'Latin England' and 'Latin Germany'... which probably have more Latins/Hispanics than the Philippines does.

Also, the Latin Union only means that Spanish was once spoken there (albiet by the government and not people)... The Philippines has about 2, 500 Spanish speakers out of how many MILLIONS?

Wishful thinking, but try again!

Even that uniquely Mexican historical icon the "China Poblana," who was supposedly brought from the East as a slave during the early 1600s and captured the hearts of the people of Puebla because of her kind acts and extraordinary mode of dressing, was in fact a Filipino noblewoman who came to Mexico on a Nao galleon.

Yet again, Filipinos are high on wishful thinking and will write down anything that pleases them...

The China Poblana was introduced by a woman from the nobility of INDIA. She came as a slave (through the Manila Galleon). It was not a "filipino fashion"...

You see, this is how everything get's out of hand - authors who just throw anything out there without researching.

^^ Mate that data was like back in the 1990's so its been a while. I have to tell you that there are more than Spanish speakers in the country than 3,000. Also, that was about native speakers and did not include 2nd or 3rd language speakers. :nuts:

Oh, yes... :bash: You are stupid, aren't you.

Mexico has closer to 17 million Whites... plus Mestizos who make up 65+% of the rest.

And, no, Amerindians are not derived from Southeast Asians. They originated nearer to the Lake Baikal region and North in Siberia... It has been proven.

ok now I see we are getting off the thread here. Why are you calling me stupid? are you ok dude? how did I offend you? grow up bro. Mexico has 110 million people and the CIA worldfact book says 9% of Mexicans are white so I estimated around 10 m whites. Big deal !!!!
Let me tell you something when I went to Mexico most people started talking to me in English I wander why? maybe because they see white as foreign.::confused::
ok and ill stop this here im embarrased with my Pinoy friends.

^^ Mate that data was like back in the 1990's so its been a while. I have to tell you that there are more than Spanish speakers in the country than 3,000. Also, that was about native speakers and did not include 2nd or 3rd language speakers. :nuts:

So in the 90's they couldn't do any research? :nuts:

http://www.schoolsandcourses.com/noticias_ver.asp?idNoticia=238 - Your saying they're lying?

More than 5.000 people study Castilian Spanish in the Philippines – half of whom speak it daily. The Philippines has the 9th largest population in Asia with almost 85 million inhabitants. For 350 years, until 1898, it was a Spanish colony

Although they are wrong about the islands being ruled for 350 years... It was 333 if you do the math. And less if you figure that for years it was just a small city (I think Manila) that had Spanish and Mexican soldiers.

Yet again, Filipinos are high on wishful thinking and will write down anything that pleases them...

The China Poblana was introduced by a woman from the nobility of INDIA. She came as a slave (through the Manila Galleon). It was not a "filipino fashion"...

You see, this is how everything get's out of hand - authors who just throw anything out there without researching.

Ayala Museum’s precious pre-Hispanic gold collection (http://www.ayalamuseum.org/index.php?option=com_ayala_content&task=viewexhibitpage&id=14) shows the extravagance of the life of these early Filipino barangay citizens.

The collection includes seemingly ordinary items like plates, bowls and bags made of gold, indicating the immense wealth the early barangays enjoyed. The golden accessories used by the ancient Philippine nobility were on display too. The most impressive was the golden sash worn by the datu, which reminded me of the golden regalia of the Egyptian pharaohs.

These were actually depicted hundreds of years ago by the Boxer Codex, a manuscript on the lives of Filipinos prior to Spanish colonization.

The manuscript, commissioned by the then would-be Governor General Luis Perez Dasmarinas and later acquired in 1947 by Professor Charles R. Boxer, contained seventy-five colored illustrations of the ancient Negritos, Cagayanos, Visayans, Zambals and Tagalogs. Far from the usual depiction of the ancient datu and Maharlika nobility wearing tribal g-strings similar to the native Indians of the Americas, the Boxer Codex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Codex) showed a kind of clothing indicative of an advanced, non-tribal civilization.

http://static.flickr.com/3012/2703432089_1acbef87d4.jpg

An early Tagalo man and woman nobility

You aren't understanding, but that's ok.. it takes getting used to the idea that your wrong.

No one includes "Latin Asia':nuts: there is no such thing. You'd have to include 'Latin England' and 'Latin Germany'... which probably have more Latins/Hispanics than the Philippines does.

Also, the Latin Union only means that Spanish was once spoken there (albiet by the government and not people)... The Philippines has about 2, 500 Spanish speakers out of how many MILLIONS?

Wishful thinking, but try again!

Well, did you read everything what qualifies the country in the Latin Union aside from language being official?

By the way England and Germany doesn't belong to Latin union simply because they have predominantly Germanic culture. Same thing applies to the US that even have significant population of Hispanics in the country. The keyword is culture and that's where you fall short of understanding the concept of it.

Here's the condiciones enumerated (in Spanish):


La Unión Latina está constituida por los Estados de lengua y cultura de origen latino que firmen y ratifiquen el Convenio de Madrid o se adhieran a él en debida forma.

La Organización reúne actualmente la casi totalidad de los Estados que pueden integrar la Unión Latina, siendo éstos, de acuerdo con las recomendaciones interpretativas establecidas en 1992, aquellos países que responden en uno o en varios a los siguientes criterios:

* criterios lingüísticos (lengua oficial neolatina - lengua de enseñanza neolatina - lengua neolatina utilizada como medio de comunicación en la vida cotidiana y en los medios de comunicación);
* criterios lingüístico-culturales (existencia de una literatura significativa en lengua neolatina - prensa escrita en su mayoría en lengua neolatina, tanto en términos de tiraje como de cantidad de títulos, televisión con una fuerte proporción de programación en lengua neolatina, radio ampliamente difundida en lengua neolatina);
* criterios culturales (herencia directa o indirecta del patrimonio de la Roma Antigua, al cual los Estados manifiestan su fidelidad y que perpetúan principalmente a través de la enseñanza del latín, la enseñanza de idiomas extranjeros neolatinos, los intercambios culturales con otros países latinos, la organización de la sociedad, particularmente en el plano jurídico, en el respeto de las libertades fundamentales, de los principios generales de los derechos del hombre y de la democracia, la tolerancia y la libertad de cultos).


Estados miembros
Representaciones
Latinidad
Puestos vacantes
Progresión del número de Estados miembros de la Unión Latina

WOW! :) I feel important when a troll invades a thread. Just ignore ElGüero I hope he will be banned soon.

ok now I see we are getting off the thread here. Why are you calling me stupid? are you ok dude? how did I offend you? grow up bro. Mexico has 110 million people and the CIA worldfact book says 9% of Mexicans are white so I estimated around 10 m whites. Big deal !!!! ::comfused::

Let me tell you something when I went to Mexico most people started talking to me in English I wander why? maybe because they see white as foreign.::confused::
ok and ill stop this here im embarrased with my Pinoy friends.

Oh, Sorry to do that, I didn't think anyone still reacted to the word "stupid'.

The CIA has very old info. Other Encyclopedias have better figures.

Obviously, it was because something about you gave it away that you spoke English...

Do you honestly think that Mexicans daily try to speak to Mexico City mayor Marcelo Ebrard in English?.. or any of the 17 MILLION OTHERS? Come on, Mexicans know that White doesn't equal "American".... :lol:

WOW! :) I feel important when a troll invades a thread.

Why would I be banned for spreading ACTUAL truth... I've done nothing wrong.

I was right about you.

So in the 90's they couldn't do any research? :nuts:

http://www.schoolsandcourses.com/noticias_ver.asp?idNoticia=238 - Your saying they're lying?



The Spanish Language Worldwide

Castilian, usually known as Spanish, which is spoken in all the national territory, Equatorial Guinea, the Sahara, Central and South America, except Brazil and the Guyanas, and parts of the United States and the Philippines, is the fourth language in the world in terms of numbers of speakers , over 330 million.

Spanish Speaking Countries and Population

COUNTRY SPANISH SPEAKING POPULATION

1. SPAIN 39,500,000
2. U.S.A 22,500,000
3. GUINEA ECUATORIAL 300,000
4. FILIPINAS 2,900,000
5. GUATEMALA 9,200,000
6. EL SALVADOR 5,200,000
7. HONDURAS 4,500,000
8. NICARAGUA 3,100,000
9. COSTA RICA 3,100,000
10. ECUADOR 10,000,000
11. PERU 22,000,000
12. MEXICO 80,000,000
13. CUBA 10,800,000
14. REPUBLICA DOMINICANA 7,300,000
15. PUERTO RICO 3,500,000
16. PANAMA 2,100,000
17. VENEZUELA 18,000,000
18. COLOMBIA 33,600,000
19. BOLIVIA 6,900,000
20. PARAGUAY 4,500,000
21. ARGENTINA 32.500,000
22. CHILE 13,600,000
23. URUGUAY 3,150,000

http://www.sispain.org/english/language/worldwid.html

Far from the usual depiction of the ancient datu and Maharlika nobility wearing tribal g-strings similar to the native Indians of the Americas, the Boxer Codex showed a kind of clothing indicative of an advanced, non-tribal civilization.


Interesting, what are they infering?

It's also interesting that Amerindians actually HAD an advanced civilization and built pyramids, and studies planets, Mathematics, Astrology, ETC. Unlike ancient Filipinos who had..... rice patties.:lol:

The Spanish Language Worldwide

Castilian, usually known as Spanish, which is spoken in all the national territory, Equatorial Guinea, the Sahara, Central and South America, except Brazil and the Guyanas, and parts of the United States and the Philippines, is the fourth language in the world in terms of numbers of speakers , over 330 million.

Spanish Speaking Countries and Population

COUNTRY SPANISH SPEAKING POPULATION

1. SPAIN 39,500,000
2. U.S.A 22,500,000
3. GUINEA ECUATORIAL 300,000
4. FILIPINAS 2,900,000
5. GUATEMALA 9,200,000
6. EL SALVADOR 5,200,000
7. HONDURAS 4,500,000
8. NICARAGUA 3,100,000
9. COSTA RICA 3,100,000
10. ECUADOR 10,000,000
11. PERU 22,000,000
12. MEXICO 80,000,000
13. CUBA 10,800,000
14. REPUBLICA DOMINICANA 7,300,000
15. PUERTO RICO 3,500,000
16. PANAMA 2,100,000
17. VENEZUELA 18,000,000
18. COLOMBIA 33,600,000
19. BOLIVIA 6,900,000
20. PARAGUAY 4,500,000
21. ARGENTINA 32.500,000
22. CHILE 13,600,000
23. URUGUAY 3,150,000

http://www.sispain.org/english/language/worldwid.html


Funny that the Philippines would be near the top, as they have one of the smallest numbers...

The actual Universities in the Philippines ALSO backs up the 2, 500 NATIVE speakers...

We aren't talking 3rd or 4th language... This info is nice and dandy - but wrong.

We aren't talking 3rd or 4th language... This info is nice and dandy - but wrong.

That is why you are so mistaken. Why would we give up our own respective regional languages for Spanish? That is why many Filipinos are multilingual. This should also gives an estimation of how many are those who can speak it not as a NATIVE or FIRST language. :nuts:

Nag-duda na talaga ako na Filipino itong kausap natin at parang iyong isang miembro dito na nakipag-debate sa mga Cebuanos.

It is also very interestnig that the Latin Union would accept the Philippines in the league... Especially since it needs to have a
Latin-derived language commonly used in the mass media or in daily life... Maybe they just thought borrowed loan words (spelled and spoken incorrectly) would be fine...

Or maybe they didn't want mass suicide to take place if the Philippines wasn't admitted.

That is because the Philippines was one of its founders. Mate, it was a Filipino who preceded to make Spanish as part of the official language of the United Nations. It was writend about by some Filipino diplomat. Also, it was a co-official language before when it became a member of Latin Union. Spanish was the official language of the Philippines from 1565 to 1987.

That is why you are so mistaken. Why would we give up our own respective regional languages for Spanish? That is why many Filipinos are multilingual. This should also gives an estimation of how many are those who can speak it not as a NATIVE or FIRST language.

Oh, now its not good enough for you after all of the propoganda put out by Filipino-Americans saying they're really SPpanish descendants. You are very interesting people.

I quote the article: "More than 5.000 people study Castilian Spanish in the Philippines � half of whom speak it daily."

That should give us a better estimate.

there is a troll in the thread I wander who it is ? people please don't mind this guy he is most likely a 10 yr old boy trying to boost its ego by saying Mexico is a white developed country while everybody in the world knows this is not true.

You can tell me whatever you'd like. Mexico is one of the most powerful Latin American countries, and other Latin American countries KNOW where Mexico stands. They also know that it is a Latin nation. There is no wiggle room. Let's take BLOOD and leave culture out - Mexicans are still Latin, as most have Latin European blood. What the Latin world frowns upon is Asians saying they're "hermanos".

Any idiot knows where the name "Philippines" comes from. It isn't special that the islands have that name - the Spanish conquered other areas and gave them Spansh names... the inhabitants don't drool all over it like Filipinos do.

And I'm glad that you know you aren't Hispanic... :banana: That's for you.

Well who is claiming that filipinos are latinos?

Ask other latin american countries if you are considered latin. Never!

Most powerful latin american nation? How? In what way? Powerful in being the most unsafest nation in the world and a drug cartel nation where your government support drug lords? There are killings of people that gets in the way in their illegal activities? Yeah, you are a powerful nation alright that poor and illeterate people cross the Mexican boarder and work illegally into the US.:lol::lol::lol:

To be honest with you, the way you talk to filipinos are very prejudicial. You hate americans who discriminate you but you have no problem being prejudice towards filipinos. Tell you what. We might not be latin and I myself not fond of being refered to as latin OR MEXICAN because we are a country of educated people. not ignorant and illiterates.


You're not latin, not to my Honduran, Puerto Rican, Venezuelan and Cuban friends. Mexico might have Spanish as your official language but it doesn't mean you're latino automatically. Stop talking to us as if Mexicans are better than filipinos because YOU"RE NOT. I hate saying negative things towards mexicans because I have mexican friends but an idiot like you deserves it. My mexican friends are nothing like you. Very ignorant.


I do apologize to other Mexicans who visits here but you can see the content of messages he has been leaving here.

That is because the Philippines was one of its founders. Mate, it was a Filipino who preceded to make Spanish as part of the official language of the United Nations. It was writend about by some Filipino diplomat. Also, it was a co-official language before when it became a member of Latin Union.

The Co-Officail language thing makes sense. But really, do you think a nation that has very little use or knowledge of the actual Spanish language (We're not talking Chopped-up versions) should be part of that languages Union? That's a bit much!

Oh, now its not good enough for you after all of the propoganda put out by Filipino-Americans saying they're really SPpanish descendants. You are very interesting people.

I quote the article: "More than 5.000 people study Castilian Spanish in the Philippines � half of whom speak it daily."

That should give us a better estimate.

Spanish on comeback trail in Philippines

By Ambeth Ocampo
Inquirer
First Posted 22:32:00 12/06/2007 (http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20071206-105314/Spanish_on_comeback_trail_in_Philippines)

Filed Under: history, Language


MANILA, Philippines - Two decades since the obligatory learning of Spanish in the university level was abolished, we are now seeing the revival of Spanish, mainly through the high-profile efforts of the Instituto Cervantes and a number of universities that maintain a Department of European Languages. Two decades since the abolition of Spanish as an obligatory course in the university level, we have the welcome news that President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo will endorse Spanish (that has since been dropped as an official language of the Philippines) as a preferred language. The President is fluent in Spanish, and as an economist she knows the value of this language in our time.

I do not want to get into the debate on English versus Filipino as a medium of instruction. I would rather think that everyone benefits from solid language instruction, and that the more languages the modern Filipino can speak, the better suited he or she will be for a global and globalized world. When we revisit the four reasons that led to the abolition of Spanish in 1987 (please refer to my column last Wednesday), we can see how we have changed and how the climate for Spanish learning is now ripe for the picking.

(a) In 1998 the Philippines celebrated the centennial of its declaration of independence from Spain. Instead of the bitterness that such memory generated, we now see a more understanding view of the past. Spain brought both good and bad things to the Philippines and we should acknowledge and remember both. The renewed interest in history and cultural heritage, resulting from the Centennial Celebration, required and encouraged the use of Spanish once again. Through the efforts of Sen. Edgardo Angara, we now celebrate by law Filipino-Spanish Friendship Day.

(b) The teaching of Spanish today is different from that in my time. New methods emphasize communication rather than grammar. Students are encouraged to speak, read and write in Spanish. Grammar has been pushed to the margins as a support to language instruction rather than the end-all of it. Furthermore, learning Spanish has been supplemented by audiovisual materials readily available on the Internet and cable television, especially TVE, or Television Española, that provides us the news, game shows like “Saber y Ganar,” documentaries and films 24/7.

Unfortunately we still have a Movie and Television Review and Classification Board (MTRCB) whose mandate or guidelines definitely have to be reviewed since the slightest hint of sex or nudity results in the temporary suspension of TVE. Filipinos are great fans of Mexican “telenovelas” [TV soap] beginning with “Marimar,” and TVE has these daily. TVE and the Internet have exposed Filipinos to Spanish not just from Spain, but from the wider Latin American world. Filipino children are now bred on basic Spanish from “Dora the Explorer” and, of course, everyone knows Betty la Fea or Betty la mas fea who has since crossed over into America and is now known as Ugly Betty.

(c) The recent rise of the call center industry has given Spanish a practical and lucrative use in the Philippines. While we have a competitive edge in English in the call center business, we have cutthroat competition from India, Pakistan, and now even China. The Filipino has an obvious edge in Spanish in this area, and we are told that Spanish speakers are paid more than those who know American English. As the Philippines tries to be more competitive in the global and globalized world, the government has refocused on enhancing the deteriorating English skills of students, and, by extension, Spanish is making a comeback. Frankly, in universities where a foreign language component is required, given a choice to take any foreign language like French, German, Japanese, Chinese or Bahasa, it is obvious that Spanish becomes an attractive option, a “preferred” language.

(d) Aside from its commercial use, the rise of Spanish as a spoken language has made the learning of it practical and useful to Filipinos who travel to the United States for work or tourism because in some areas Spanish is fast becoming a second language; and some recruiters and employers require overseas Filipino workers bound for the United States to obtain a certificate in basic Spanish.

With all of the above changes that have come about in the past two decades, one can only say there is a renewed and growing interest in Spanish today. The Instituto Cervantes de Manila, which took over from the Centro Cultural de la Embajada de España, has taken the lead in Spanish language training, and from what I hear from satisfied students, they have made the task of learning a new language fun.

Aside from language, the Instituto has a weekly screening of Spanish films, there are lectures to reintroduce us to Spanish culture in food, literature and poetry. This is starting to sound like a PR job for the Instituto, but seeing the new method for learning Spanish makes me wish that they were around when I was in college, because if they were, I would not only be reading Spanish, I would surely be speaking it fluently today. Things do come full circle in time: Spanish was once an official language of the Philippines, and then it was scrapped from schools; now it is back as a preferred language. Let’s see where it goes in the next decade.

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Comments are welcome at aocampo@ateneo.edu.

Spanish classes to return in schools

By Philip Tubeza
Philippine Daily Inquirer (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20090126-185662/Spanish-classes-to-return-in-schools)
First Posted 16:55:00 01/26/2009

Filed Under: Education, Language


MANILA, Philippines—If the Department of Education (DepEd) had its way, more and more Filipinos may soon appreciate the literary works of Pablo Neruda, Don Quixote, or Gabriel Garcia Marquez in their original Spanish text.

Starting this coming school year, Spanish will be taught in selected public high schools around the country to better prepare students “in communicating a widely used second language,” according to Education Secretary Jesli Lapus.

“(This will) prepare the students for meaningful interaction in a linguistically diverse global workplace. It will also develop understanding and appreciation of other people's culture," Lapus said on Monday.

Spanish, once an official language of the Philippines, would be reintroduced in high school through a “Special Program in Foreign Language,” which is aimed at schools whose students “have demonstrated competence in English and are also capable of learning another foreign language.”

Lapus said the program would develop students' skills in “listening, reading, writing, speaking and viewing which are necessary for the students to acquire communication skills using a second foreign language.”

The program would initially offer Spanish in one school per region with two classes of 35 students each per school, Lapus said.

The pilot schools and their teachers would be selected by the DepEd Regional Office based on the criteria for selection, he added.

In the selection of the pilot schools, only secondary schools with the highest Mean Percentage Score (MPS) in English in the whole region will be selected.

The school should also be able to provide substitute teachers who will take over the classes of the foreign language teachers while on training.

Lapus added that the pilot schools would be selected based on the availability of classrooms and support facilities and equipment like “computer laboratory with at least 10 computers and headsets to support speech lessons.”

"One of the criteria in selecting the teachers who will handle the teaching of the foreign language is that they must be willing to finish the crash course and participate in teaching Spanish," Lapus said.

The teachers who will be selected to undergo the three-month training will earn units under the continuing education program.

Lapus said the department wanted to make sure there would be enough teachers to handle the subjects in selected pilot schools upon the start of the program in June 2009.

An estimated 320 million people speak Spanish as a native language around the globe today, making it the world's fourth most spoken language in terms of native speakers.

The language reached these shores with the Spanish conquistadors in the 16th century and it remained an official language of the country despite the American occupation of the Philippines in the early 20th century.

It lost its status as an official language only in 1973 during the administration of the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos.

After Marcos was toppled in 1986, the mandatory teaching of Spanish in colleges and universities was also stopped, and thus, younger generations of Filipinos have little or no knowledge of Spanish as compared to the older generations.

However, the Spanish language retains a large influence in local dialects---like Chabacano---with many words coming from or being derived from Spanish.

And besides enriching the country’s Hispanic heritage, learning Spanish would also be a practical help for those hoping to land a job in the booming call center industry, where Spanish-speakers are sought after and are paid higher salaries.

Well who is claiming that filipinos are latinos?

Ask other latin american countries if you are considered latin. Never!

Most powerful latin american nation? How? In what way? Powerful in being the most unsafest nation in the world and a drug cartel nation where your government support drug lords? There are killings of people that gets in the way in their illegal activities? Yeah, you are a powerful nation alright that poor and illeterate people cross the Mexican boarder and work illegally into the US.:lol::lol::lol:

To be honest with you, the way you talk to filipinos are very prejudicial. You hate americans who discriminate you but you have no problem being prejudice towards filipinos. Tell you what. We might not be latin and I myself not fond of being refered to as latin OR MEXICAN because we are a country of educated people. not ignorant and illiterates.


You're not latin, not to my Honduran, Puerto Rican, Venezuelan and Cuban friends. Mexico might have Spanish as your official language but it doesn't mean you're latino automatically. Stop talking to us as if Mexicans are better than filipinos because YOU"RE NOT. I hate saying negative things towards mexicans because I have mexican friends but an idiot like you deserves it. My mexican friends are nothing like you. Very ignorant.

Your telling millions and millions of Mexicans they are not Latin? And only Cubans, Arg, Guat, etc are? And your Filipino? EVERY single Latin American country knows one another - You are spewing FALSE info.

"As a regional power and the only Latin American member of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) since 1994, Mexico is firmly established as an upper middle-income country, considered a newly industrialized country and has the 11th largest economy in the world by GDP by purchasing power parity, and also the largest GDP per capita in Latin America according to the International Monetary Fund. The economy is strongly linked to those of its North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) partners. It is considered an emerging power and one of the top five by 2050."

Hmmm, I guess that all means nothing. It's SO FUNNY THAT YOU FEEL SO DISTROUGHT BY REAL INFO ON YOUR COUNTRIES PEOPLE.

I'm guessing by cultural he means religion, some traditions, language, and history. How I said before Latin America is so diverse that to say that that there is a "Latin culture" is quite vague. The only thing that unite us all is same religion, language, history and certain costumes. For example in Colombia "el dia de los muertos" is not even celebrated along with other things.



Didn't know Mexico has the third largest European population in Latin America, I would have never guessed, stayed in Mexico for 2 weeks last year and i barely saw white people even the mestizos i saw in Mexico had stronger indigenous features. Thanks for the info I always thought Chile, Venezuela and Colombia had a bigger European popularion.

nop you are wrong, only argentina , amd uruguay has very high level of criollos, colombia has avery high porcentage of black people y mestizos an a similar porcentage of whites like mxico

it depends the sone where you are, i mexico people form south, north, east ect lokk diferent

Well who is claiming that filipinos are latinos?

Ask other latin american countries if you are considered latin. Never!

Most powerful latin american nation? How? In what way? Powerful in being the most unsafest nation in the world and a drug cartel nation where your government support drug lords? There are killings of people that gets in the way in their illegal activities? Yeah, you are a powerful nation alright that poor and illeterate people cross the Mexican boarder and work illegally into the US.:lol::lol::lol:

To be honest with you, the way you talk to filipinos are very prejudicial. You hate americans who discriminate you but you have no problem being prejudice towards filipinos. Tell you what. We might not be latin and I myself not fond of being refered to as latin OR MEXICAN because we are a country of educated people. not ignorant and illiterates.


You're not latin, not to my Honduran, Puerto Rican, Venezuelan and Cuban friends. Mexico might have Spanish as your official language but it doesn't mean you're latino automatically. Stop talking to us as if Mexicans are better than filipinos because YOU"RE NOT. I hate saying negative things towards mexicans because I have mexican friends but an idiot like you deserves it. My mexican friends are nothing like you. Very ignorant.


I do apologize to other Mexicans who visits here but you can see the content of messages he has been leaving here.

yeah don't mind him I know many Mexicans whom are very nice individuals. and Mexico is a great country with very unique culture thanks to their ancesters the Aztecs whom built great buildings, calendars, cities, art Etc.

there is a troll in the thread I wander who it is ? people please don't mind this guy he is most likely a 10 yr old boy trying to boost its ego by saying Mexico is a white developed country while everybody in the world knows this is not true.

Who is saying Mexico is a "White developed country" and why would it matter if I did? I REITERATED FACTS about it's people and its economy... Did I say all Mexicans were White? No. Did I say it is a First world country? No. It has much more European blood than the Philippines and is an upper-middle income country unlike the Philippines - 11th place in the world, while the islands are 36st! If that's not what you get when you read then SORRY FOR YOU.

You are putting words in my mouth because thats the only way you feel you can win this debate.

That is because the Philippines was one of its founders. Mate, it was a Filipino who preceded to make Spanish as part of the official language of the United Nations. It was writend about by some Filipino diplomat. Also, it was a co-official language before when it became a member of Latin Union. Spanish was the official language of the Philippines from 1565 to 1987.
This is why I didn't like the idea about the Philippines joining latin union or what. I'm okay if we promote our history so we can learn from our past, we know we can't go back and not rekindling our own past isn't necessarily a bad thing. I know that there are latin people who would be welcoming but there are those who would treat us indifferently, it's like we are being treated as second class citizen, they would be casting their prejudices towards us. This would truely happen the way ELGuero is treating us, it's inevitable, it is bound to happen you would think it would not but somehow it still can slip away. We have already forgetten how the spaniards treat us in the past, that's granted but I also don't want to be treated the same way all over again by some latin lation or people, it's like we are always a lower class citizen. When are we going to learn?

nop you are wrong, only argentina , amd uruguay has very high level of criollos, colombia has avery high porcentage of black people y mestizos an a similar porcentage of whites like mxico

it depends the sone where you are, i mexico people form south, north, east ect lokk diferent

Of all these people you should know your people! Come on primo! Look at the facts:

Regions with significant populations
Brazil -----------------93M or 105M
Argentina -------------39M
Mexico ----------------15M or 20M
Chile ------------------8.8M or 10.7M
Colombia --------------8.8M
Cuba ------------------7.3M
Venezuela -------------5.6M
Peru------------------- 4.4M
Costa Rica -------------3.8M

Uruguay isn't even on the top of the list! It only has a little over 3 million people in ALL. Learn something new every day!

This is why I didn't like the idea about the Philippines joining latin union or what. I'm okay if we promote our history so we can learn from our past, we know we can't go back and not rekindling our own past isn't necessarily a bad thing. I know that there are latin people who would be welcoming but there are those who would treat us indifferently, it's like we are being treated as second class citizen, they would be casting their prejudices towards us. This would truely happen the way ELGuero is treating us, it's inevitable, it is bound to happen you would think it would not but somehow it still can slip away. We have already forgetten how the spaniards treat us in the past, that's granted but I also don't want to be treated the same way all over again by some latin lation or people, it's like we are always a lower class citizen. When are we going to learn?

Mate, in this globalized world having friends is an advantage. Who are our natural alleys in the Americas? That would be the ex-colonies of Spain. We share so many things that it is hard to write down. One has to see and live it! Besides, this person is just one of how many million ignorants. There are plenty more who are friendly and open minded. It is not wrong to claim what is ours, because it is part of our past.

PS. Let's not go low about Mexicans in the USA. Thanks!

Your telling millions and millions of Mexicans they are not Latin? And only Cubans, Arg, Guat, etc are? And your Filipino? EVERY single Latin American country knows one another - You are spewing FALSE info.

"As a regional power and the only Latin American member of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) since 1994, Mexico is firmly established as an upper middle-income country, considered a newly industrialized country and has the 11th largest economy in the world by GDP by purchasing power parity, and also the largest GDP per capita in Latin America according to the International Monetary Fund. The economy is strongly linked to those of its North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) partners. It is considered an emerging power and one of the top five by 2050."

Hmmm, I guess that all means nothing. It's SO FUNNY THAT YOU FEEL SO DISTROUGHT BY REAL INFO ON YOUR COUNTRIES PEOPLE.


Yeah, so what if you posted these find you've got? Where is that newly industrialized country, largest economy? Hell just recently, I have been in your country and all I see is poverty. People are all swarming towards the US boarder. A number of mexicans die in an effort to cross the boarder for what? ESCAPE POVERTY IN YOUR NATION a country who is a member of OPEC can't provide decent jobs and living for it's own people.

Who is the biggest illegal immigrants in the US? Mexicans... Who is the biggest number commiting crimes and in jail in the US? Mexicans, not blacks but mexicans.. Go figure!!

This is why I didn't like the idea about the Philippines joining latin union or what. I'm okay if we promote our history so we can learn from our past, we know we can't go back and not rekindling our own past isn't necessarily a bad thing. I know that there are latin people who would be welcoming but there are those who would treat us indifferently, it's like we are being treated as second class citizen, they would be casting their prejudices towards us. This would truely happen the way ELGuero is treating us, it's inevitable, it is bound to happen you would think it would not but somehow it still can slip away. We have already forgetten how the spaniards treat us in the past, that's granted but I also don't want to be treated the same way all over again by some latin lation or people, it's like we are always a lower class citizen. When are we going to learn? dude come on ! i bet you most people in Latin America and Spain would be very welcoming to the philippines joining the Latin Union. Hopefully more and more Filipinos learn Spanish as some Latin Americans Tagalog.

Yeah, so what if you posted these find you've got? Where is that newly industrialized country, largest economy? Hell just recently, I have been in your country and all I see is poverty. People are all swarming towards the US boarder. A number of mexicans die in an effort to cross the boarder for what? ESCAPE POVERTY IN YOUR NATION a country who is a member of OPEC can't provide decent jobs and living for it's own people.

Who is the biggest illegal immigrants in the US? Mexicans... Who is the biggest number commiting crimes and in jail in the US? Mexicans, not blacks but mexicans.. Go figure!!

Blah blah blah, same thing over and over, You tell Filipinos the truth and then they get all high-strung and try to scrounge up dirt on the other side ...LOL:banana:

"As a regional power and the only Latin American member of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) since 1994, Mexico is firmly established as an upper middle-income country, considered a newly industrialized country and has the 11th largest economy in the world by GDP by purchasing power parity, and also the largest GDP per capita in Latin America according to the International Monetary Fund. The economy is strongly linked to those of its North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) partners. It is considered an emerging power and one of the top five by 2050."

Who are the largest Asian group doing those things! Filpinos.

Of all these people you should know your people! Come on primo! Look at the facts:

Regions with significant populations
Brazil -----------------93M or 105M
Argentina -------------39M
Mexico ----------------15M or 20M
Chile ------------------8.8M or 10.7M
Colombia --------------8.8M
Cuba ------------------7.3M
Venezuela -------------5.6M
Peru------------------- 4.4M
Costa Rica -------------3.8M

Uruguay isn't even on the top of the list! It only has a little over 3 million people in ALL. Learn something new every day!

LOL where did you get this figures ? Mexico 15m or 20 m :lol:.. hey why dont you edit your post and make it 100m to 110m ? LOL not even your mother believes that

Mate, in this globalized world having friends is an advantage. Who are our natural alleys in the Americas? That would be the ex-colonies of Spain. We share so many things that it is hard to write down. One has to see and live it. Besides, this person is guy of a million or something of them. There are plenty more who are friendly and open minded. It is not wrong to claim what is ours, because it is part of our past.

Having ally and friends is another thing, that's okay , every country needs. But aligning ourselves to be one of them as if we are truely one of them is another thing. We are an ally of the US for instance but we didn't have to be them. We are also an ally of a european country but we don't have to join their union. The more we try hard to be one of the latins, the more and more we would slowly be treated as an outcast, a wannabes and a second class citizen. This person might be one in a million but I am sure that is just a beginning. I am not saying there are no latins who are very welcoming because that is false, but the more we insist ourselves upon them, the more we will get frowned upon.

Of all these people you should know your people! Come on primo! Look at the facts:

Regions with significant populations
Brazil -----------------93M or 105M
Argentina -------------39M
Mexico ----------------15M or 20M
Chile ------------------8.8M or 10.7M
Colombia --------------8.8M
Cuba ------------------7.3M
Venezuela -------------5.6M
Peru------------------- 4.4M
Costa Rica -------------3.8M

Uruguay isn't even on the top of the list! It only has a little over 3 million people in ALL. Learn something new every day!

estoy hablando en proporcion!! porcentajes!

in mexico there are a lot more white people htna in uruguay because we are 100 million people , but speaking in porcentages uruguay has more white people.


But what medpaisa said is also lie, colombia has no high levels of white people in fact is very similar with mexico ...

It does not matter what he thinks the fact is and the truth is:
That philippines is much more related to latin america than SE asia or asia, that is as simple as that and everybody knows it and there is no point of even arguing about even that dumb troll deep inside knows it. :lol:

yeah don't mind him I know many Mexicans whom are very nice individuals. and Mexico is a great country with very unique culture thanks to their ancesters the Aztecs whom built great buildings, calendars, cities, art Etc.

LOL, Yes, they were awesome weren't they! They are only half of who we are. The other half came from Europe... interesting you didn't add that in. It's BEEN 500 YEARS SINCE MEXICO has been a European-style Western country. But you'll never write that, will you.

estoy hablando en proporcion!! porcentajes!

in mexico there are a lot more white people htna in uruguay because we are 100 million people , but speaking in porcentages uruguay has more white people.


But what medpaisa said is also lie, colombia has no high levels of white people in fact is very similar with mexico ...

There's no need to do percentages - real numbers shows it better.

Colombia has around 8 million Whites, as the charts say.

Am I really not speaking the truth when I write what I write? Good grief, everything has a source unlike these people's IMAGINATIONS.

BY THE WAY By Max V. Soliven
The Philippine Star 06/30/2006

The word from Spain is that our Presidenta has charmed Spanish parliamentarians and all she met in Madrid with her excellent command of Spanish. It’s true enough that GMA – most of us here don’t realize – grew up speaking that language. Her mother, Evangeline Macaraig Macapagal was a fanatical Hispanophile with an eye for nuance and punctillo.

Just as eloquent, it might be added parenthetically, is our Foreign Affairs Secretary Bert Romulo, who earned his Doctorate in Laws from the Universidad Central de Madrid sobresaliente.

I’m happy that on this journey, Spaniards and Pinoys alike were reminded of our heritage, our legacy from Madre España born of a common faith and four centuries of close embrace, albeit as the farflung colony of an Iberian people who found themselves trying to rule a globe-girdling empire even before they themselves had become a nation.

Several years ago, when this writer went to Buenos Aires, I was hosted by some leaders of the Senate of Argentina.

I was later to carry the personal invitation of then President Carlos Saul Menem to President Joseph Estrada to come on a state visit to Argentina. When Erap accepted, I had warned our irrepressible former Chief Executive: "Compadre, you may look somewhat Castillian, indeed like a Mexican Pancho Villa, but for Chrissakes don’t try to give any of your speeches in Spanish!"

The truth is that Erap can emote in English quite fluently, despite his efforts to denigrate Inglis-Inglis or war-war but he can’t even manage Chabacano. In any event, when we got to Santiago, Chile, where he, too, had been invited by their President, he rashly produced a speech written in Spanish. To his consternation, the lights in the banquet hall were dim and flickering, and he stumbled blindly through what must have been a floridly written address. It was a period of agony for him and all of us Pinoys in the audience. But when he concluded his bumbling performance, Estrada gave "El Presidente de la Nacion de Chile, and all the grandees and VIPs assembled, a solemn wink, and mischievously cracked: "How did you like my Spanish?"

They guffawed in appreciation and rewarded him with thunderous applause. The country bumpkin act had saved the day for Erap para sa Masa, even without his getaway jeepney.

In Buenos Aires he was more cautious and stuck to English . . . of sorts. He was even awarded by the famous Jesuit University there with a Doctorate in Humanities or whatever. When he descended the podium, his former classmates greeted him: "Now comes the hard part – to get an Ateneo High School diploma!" (He had been booted out of the Ateneo for fighting an American classmate mano-a-mano, in a slugging match quite different from the Pacquiao-Larios dust-up this Sunday).

But I digress.

Coming back to my own reception in Argentina’s Senate, I was cornered by the deputy Speaker (I think), who had been scheduled to receive me in his office for 15 minutes, but the visit turned into 45 minutes or more, because he loved to reminisce about his old friends who were Filipinos – he truly loved our people whom he viewed as "kindred Latins."

"Why did you abandon us?" The distinguished, elderly solon finally remarked. "It has done you, my hermanos, no good. Did you know? The reason my old friend the late General Carlos P. Romulo was elected President of the United Nations General Assembly is because the Philippines belonged to the Hispanic and Latin American bloc. In every UN vote, whenever our compatriots from Filipinas posed a resolution, we would all vote solid: an automatic 29 votes (today, I might say but correct my arithmetic, 32 or more)."

The Senator snorted. "What did you get when you decided you were African-Asians, or something like that. The Africans pay you no heed, the Asians vote against you or ignore you! Is it too late to come ‘home’ to us, with whom you truly belong?"

That is the question.
* * *

Despite so many people lining up to file "impeachment" cases against her yesterday (and former Vice-President Teofisto "Tito" Guingona – susmariosep – preaching civil disobedience), La Gloria must have enjoyed her sojourn in Madrid and her visit to her friends, His Majesty King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia.

By this time, she must also have met with Prime Minister/President Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, whose Socialist PSOE Party had defeated former President Jose Ma. Aznar’s then ruling Partido Popular (and its candidate Mariano Rajoy) in a stunning upset, carried over the top by 10.903 million votes in March 14, 2004.

Just as Winston Churchill had led Britain during the war years to victory over Hitler, but had been defeated and his party turned out of power in the first postwar elections, Aznar had propelled Spain to unprecedented prosperity in his eight years in office – only to see his foes, the Partido Socialista Obrero Español (PSOE), grab 164 seats in parliament (Congreso de los Diputados), while the Partido Popular under Aznar’s successor Rajoy, garnered only 148.

The crushing defeat was attributed to last-minute accusations of a government cover-up in the terrible Estacion Atocha bombings of four packed trains the preceding Thursday which had killed 200 commuters and gravely injured 1,500. The Basque separatist guerrillas of ETA had initially been blamed by the Aznar government, but then it surfaced Saturday that, contrary to earlier assertions, Islamic terrorists had detonated those "movil" backpacks which exploded with deadly efficiency – the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades, reputedly a branch of al-Qaeda.

The irony of the situation is that my wife, Precious, and this writer had arrived on a flight from Manila only the night before. We had been met at Barajas airport that Wednesday (March 10) by our Ambassador, Joseph Delano "Lani" Bernardo y Medina, and Jose "Pepe" Rodriguez. I had remarked when we motored into Madrid that the capital looked too peaceful and serene for a place where the election campaign was in its last few days. Everybody had expected a Partido Popular win.

The following morning, about 7:35 a.m., blasts from the nearby Atocha station rattled the windowpanes of our hotel, the Westin Palace. Three powerful bombs exploded within five minutes of each other in three districts of the city – on trains bound for the centrally located Atocha. If the terrorists had got their timing "better," they might have obliterated a hundred more people waiting on the train platforms. In any event, the victims were executives, employees, workers, students, housewives, school children – coming into the heart of the capital for work or study. The second cluster of bombs exploded at the Estacion Santa Eugenia. A third at Pozo del Tio Raimundo devastated several coaches.

On the twisted rails it was a scene from hell. Blood and body parts everywhere.

That Day of Infamy will be forever remembered.

The pity of it is that I remember the city was sunny and bright, like a clear day in early spring. Madrid was as pretty as a picture. The sky azure blue.

Inside the station, there were grisly scenes of wrecked coaches, the dead with limbs blown off, the wounded being painfully carried off, blood streaming from face and body, to clinics, aid stations and overflowing hospitals.

At the strike of 1 p.m., a nation united in grief – prayed. Everybody from folk in the street, to Cabinet members, to "everyman" bowed their heads in silent prayer for the dead, and for succor for the dying. The cadavers piled onto the floor of the Convention Center – where international fairs are usually held – right in one of Madrid’s posh districts, signalled the shocking electoral turnabout of March 14. Terrorists, it was later said, "changed" the course of a democratic election.

This must never be allowed to happen again. In our country, the alarums may sound shrill and unnecessary. But remember Madrid!

What we should emulate is the courageous way in which the Spaniards responded.

Next day, the rain in Spain fell – not on the plain – but on millions of Spaniards marching in sorrow and fury in their cities and urban centers in the wake of the tragedy.

In Madrid, an angry and determined multitude of 2.3 million demonstrators paraded, although drenched by incessant downpours, holding flickering candles under their soaked umbrellas, the Madrileños expressed their solidarity and their condemnation of terrorism.

A letter sent to an Arabic-British newspaper late Thursday night tried to claim responsibility for the outrage in the name of the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades, a branch of al-Qaeda – but few believed it then, including President (Prime Minister) Jose Ma. Aznar and Interior Minister Angel Acebes, although both were careful not to completely absolve the Muslim terrorist movement.

Friday night’s surging crowds continued to chant, "Quien ha sido?" (Who did it?) followed by a wrathful "Asesinos!" (Assassins!).

When you consider that Madrid’s population is just three million, to have 2.3 Madrilenos pouring into the streets, jamming avenues, broad boulevards, and parks – a heaving sea of umbrellas and indignant, prideful, weeping humanity – you better believe that everybody in that metropolis turned out to demonstrate.

Some cried out, "No esta lloviendo – El Cielo esta llorando!" (It is not raining – Heaven is crying!). Nothing is more poetic and steeped in passion than the Spanish language.

Marchers were cheering, "Hoy, somos todos Madrilenos! Somos todos Españoles!" (Today, we’re all Madrileños! We’re all Spaniards!"). It was an expression, from the heart, of a mounting spirit of solidarity – no more "regionalism" to split this politics-wracked nation apart.

Let me just say that to be in Spain, at this poignant moment – to witness this "coming together" to glimpse the bravery and pain, the outpouring of national spirit was to feel privileged and somehow ennobled.

All day Thursday, after coming from the carnage of Zona Cero, this writer saw thousands lining up at vans marked "Donaciones de Sangre" (blood donations) to donate blood for the wounded and the dying, as well as clinics and hospitals. Flowers and candles were being placed at the Atocha, the Pozo and Santa Eugenia stations where the "Goma Dos" explosives, in 10 different explosions, had created such havoc and gore. Prayers were being said everywhere. Volunteers were queuing up to offer their services. Taxi drivers were offering free rides to the families of the victims as they searched for their loved ones, whether still living or already dead.

It was also admirable on the part of the authorities – within hours of the tragedy – to get the trains back on track and running. A nation fighting back refusing to be cowed, vowing justice and retribution.

And Friday night, Spaniards marched. In Barcelona, Spain’s second city – where the Catalans, too, are restive – 1.3 million demonstrated in "solidarity", unity and support, sharing the grief, holding up the ideal of one Spain. They were in the streets in Valladolid, Zaragoza, Oviedo, Valencia, Sevilla, Santiago de Compostela (up north in Galicia), Santander, Toledo, Pamplona, Teruel, Alcala de Henares – a roll call of Spanish cities. Even in Bilbao, in deepest Euskadi.

I wish our own people, so divided, fault-finding and fractious, could somehow find such unity of heart and purpose, not in sorrow – but in joy. We’re called, in a survey, 7th among nations who take pride in themselves. Pinoy Pride is what brought us to Everest, to victory in the SEA Games, to win through in so many unheralded ways.

We have inherited the Spanish flaws of character. Let us, however, not forget the iron in the Hispanic soul, which was shown on the battlefield, in the conquest of new worlds, in the soul-searching of poetry and literature which characterizes its literature. Our hero, Dr. Jose Rizal hated Spanish tyranny but loved Spain.

Which is why he sought not separation from the Mother’s womb, but for Filipinos to be treated with equality and respect. Does this make him a flawed hero? The brilliant thinker, writer and Ambassador Leon Ma. Guerrero, who was more amazingly literate in his cups then in his other, lesser moments, once wrote a book calling Rizal, The First Filipino. Perhaps this is true, not in the cynical sense, but in common sense.

This is why I didn't like the idea about the Philippines joining latin union or what. I'm okay if we promote our history so we can learn from our past, we know we can't go back and not rekindling our own past isn't necessarily a bad thing. I know that there are latin people who would be welcoming but there are those who would treat us indifferently, it's like we are being treated as second class citizen, they would be casting their prejudices towards us. This would truely happen the way ELGuero is treating us, it's inevitable, it is bound to happen you would think it would not but somehow it still can slip away. We have already forgetten how the spaniards treat us in the past, that's granted but I also don't want to be treated the same way all over again by some latin lation or people, it's like we are always a lower class citizen. When are we going to learn?

Only few of them will treat us that. What matters are the majority. Heck, even in Asia, we expect the same treatment anyway. It doesn't really matter anymore. It's human nature that there will always be people trying to put you down. It still advantageous for the country to extend and expand its diplomatic ties as far as it can reach especially to countries where Philippines should be more acquainted with.

Blah blah blah, same thing over and over, You tell Filipinos the truth and then they get all high-strung and try to scrounge up dirt on the other side ...LOL:banana:

"As a regional power and the only Latin American member of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) since 1994, Mexico is firmly established as an upper middle-income country, considered a newly industrialized country and has the 11th largest economy in the world by GDP by purchasing power parity, and also the largest GDP per capita in Latin America according to the International Monetary Fund. The economy is strongly linked to those of its North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) partners. It is considered an emerging power and one of the top five by 2050."

Who are the largest Asian group doing those things! Filpinos.

Ther is a latino here who is very much laughing at you because you're in your fantasy land. Find an article reporting how many filipinos dig ditches? Find a census where you would find filipinos in america in Jail. Oh, that's right, almost nothing....

Where do you find filipinos in america? Hospitals as doctors, nurses, therapists, medical technologies, others are IT workers, all white colar jobs. Where do you find mexicans? Farms, carpenters, oh wait, yes, welfares, some of you do not have jobs in the US, you just come over to use free US welfare...


Do you want me to take a pics of Mexicans digging dirt doing construction work around our neighborhood?

It does not matter what he thinks the fact is and the truth is:
That philippines is much more related to latin america than SE asia or asia, that is as simple as that and everybody knows it and there is no point of even arguing about even that dumb troll deep inside knows it. :lol:

The truth is this: Most Latin Americans do not really care for Filipinos when all is said and done. Latin Americans are about Familia, not outsiders. Especially outsiders who are not Criollo, Indio, or Mestizo! Asians have never sat well with Latin Americans.

Even the Spanish CASTA sort of expalins it : In the Criollo population, Amerindian blood was fine - it was pure and could be turned into pure Indian or pure White again. Africans and Asians were not permitted to intermarry, and their descendants could never be White or Indian, and could never hold important positions.

Animo - Good F%^$& Grief - where do you get this stuff? "Kindred Latins"...LOL

Ther is a latino here who is very much laughing at you because you're in your fantasy land. Find an article reporting how many filipinos dig ditches? Find a census where you would find filipinos in america in Jail. Oh, that's right, almost nothing....

Where do you find filipinos in america? Hospitals as doctors, nurses, therapists, medical technologies, others are IT workers, all white colar jobs. Where do you find mexicans? Farms, carpenters, oh wait, yes, welfares, some of you do not have jobs in the US, you just come over to use free US welfare...


Do you want me to take a pics of Mexicans digging dirt doing construction work around our neighborhood?

thoght u were more intelligente, now you are aainst all mexican because ONE makes you upset..

by the way , there is a reason why many mexicans are doing ow skilled jobs in us and it because we have boerderline in common , you dont.

What would hhapen if u were nest to US??? be honest...

thats not true man Mexico is 9 % white while Colombia is 20% white. now the Colombian mestizos tend to look more European than indigenous thats because we didnt have a big indian empire like Aztecs in Mexico or incas in peru so Colombians mestizos are very Caucasian looking and Colombia has less than 5% black i dont know why you say we have a high black population either.
The truth is this: Most Latin Americans do not really care for Filipinos when all is said and done. Latin Americans are about Familia, not outsiders. Especially outsiders who are not Criollo, Indio, or Mestizo! Asians have never sat well with Latin Americans.

Even the Spanish CASTA sort of expalins it : In the Criollo population, Amerindian blood was fine - it was pure and could be turned into pure Indian or pure White again. Africans and Asians were not permitted to intermarry, and their descendants could never be White or Indian, and could never hold important positions.

thats not true Asians are very welcomed in Latin America even a Peruvian president was of Japonese origin.

dude come on ! i bet you most people in Latin America and Spain would be very welcoming to the philippines joining the Latin Union. Hopefully more and more Filipinos learn Spanish as some Latin Americans Tagalog.

I have no problem with the spanish language and if some of us wanted to learn more. Filipino languages has alot of spanish words in it whatever dialect it is, infact, Zamboanga has more spanish in their language/dialect which is called chavacano, it's mixed with Philippine native dialect but has more Spanish in it. Learning Spanish is fine and dandy to me, I speak it, not as fluent but I speak and understand it well. While there are those like you who are very welcoming, there are those also who are not. A great number of them also but is yet to be accounted for. What's the use for it on us? We can be an ally with any spanish country, they can be friends, but it is also perfectly alright if we are not a latin nation. We are just simply filipinos, not truely spanish, not truely asian. We are we in our own unique way and I hope and wish filipinos would just settle and be happy of just being a filipino.

Ther is a latino here who is very much laughing at you because you're in your fantasy land. Find an article reporting how many filipinos dig ditches? Find a census where you would find filipinos in america in Jail. Oh, that's right, almost nothing....

Where do you find filipinos in america? Hospitals as doctors, nurses, therapists, medical technologies, others are IT workers, all white colar jobs. Where do you find mexicans? Farms, carpenters, oh wait, yes, welfares, some of you do not have jobs in the US, you just come over to use free US welfare...


Do you want me to take a pics of Mexicans digging dirt doing construction work around our neighborhood?


It's funny, I was just thinking the other day. Why do Filipinos invade neighborhoods and set up crazy homes? I live in an upscale neighborhood and there is a Filipino family (With an uigly huge roman statue in the front yard - trying too hard for people to see tham as "American") who have crazy drug addicts running around outside. The neighborhood (predominantly White and Hispanic) is persuing legal action against them!

Don't kid yourself, Filipinos aren't doctors - their nurses!:ohno: NOT THE SAME THING. But its a good thing you all can work 5 jobs at once while still having time to change someones bedpan!

thats not true man Mexico is 9 % white while Colombia is 20% white. now the Colombian mestizos tend to look more European than indigenous thats because we didnt have a big indian empire like Aztecs or incas in peru so Colombians mestizos are very Caucasian looking and Colombia has less than 5% black i dont know why you say we have a high black population either

false!! look i know you colombianos, you know , i have had a lot of this kind of discutions you sayin looking like wihte , even mestizos , and guess what, when is time to show pictures all thous colombia habladores result more mestizo tha i am , but something in their heads denies it race, it relly weird and common in countries like colombia and venezuela.

thoght u were more intelligente, now you are aainst all mexican because ONE makes you upset..

by the way , there is a reason why many mexicans are doing ow skilled jobs in us and it because we have boerderline in common , you dont.

What would hhapen if u were nest to US??? be honest...

You hit the nail on the head.:bash: I've always thought the same thing! They'd be here in larger droves and it would be worse because they aren't from a Western country with Western customs... Thank you for that observation I'd forgotten.

It's funny, I was just thinking the other day. Why do Filipinos invade neighborhoods and set up crazy homes? I live in an upscale neighborhood and there is a Filipino family (With an uigly huge roman statue in the front yard - trying too hard for people to see tham as "American") who have crazy drug addicts running around outside. The neighborhood (predominantly White and Hispanic) is persuing legal action against them!

Don't kid yourself, Filipinos aren't doctors - their nurses!:ohno: NOT THE SAME THING. But its a good thing you all can work 5 jobs at once while still having time to change someones bedpan!

Well here in SSC alone, there are filipino doctors who are all in the US. You'd be surprised. Check listings of doctors at St John's hospital. Actually, check with NYC hospitals who are filipino medical practitioners. You'd be surprised who else here this minute is a medical doctor who is a US based.

And even if the filipinos are nurses, atleast filipinos aren't drug dealers, farm workers and others who do odds jobs like mexicans.Nursing is a 4 year bachelors degree. Nationally registered in the US. What do you have?

[We are just simply filipinos, not truely spanish, not truely asian.

When will you guys stop saying that! Just becuase you have some foreign influence (which includes American) you think you're somehow not Asian!

Come on, YES YOU ARE. Racially almost EVERY SINGLE PINOY is Malay, etc.

:nuts:

Animo - Good F%^$& Grief - where do you get this stuff? "Kindred Latins"...LOL

Mate, go find proofs on what you have said or trying to prove as I have done mine. I have posted what I came to do and good luck on your future!

Saludos!

:cheers:

thats not true man Mexico is 9 % white while Colombia is 20% white. now the Colombian mestizos tend to look more European than indigenous thats because we didnt have a big indian empire like Aztecs in Mexico or incas in peru...

How does an Amerindian empire affect your racial outcome! I really would like to know? In pure numbers there are more Whites and Mestizos in Mexico than Colombia... SIMPLE.

Well here in SSC alone, there are filipino doctors who are all in the US. You'd be surprised. Check listings of doctors at St John's hospital. Actually, check with NYC hospitals who are filipino medical practitioners. You'd be surprised who else here this minute is a medical doctor who is a US based.

And even if the filipinos are nurses, atleast filipinos aren't drug dealers, farm workers and others who do odds jobs like mexicans.Nursing is a 4 year bachelors degree. Nationally registered in the US. What do you have?

There are millions of Americans of Mexican ancestry who are the same. That's not even including Mexicans who live in Mexico and don't need to move to the US - they have a better life over there.

Mexicans, with a history in the US for over 400 years, have been politicians and the like! No Filipino has ever governed California. Howcome? They're the largest Asian group. My uncle, in fact, is a Lawyer who lives in Orange County in a bigger house than you'll ever see in your life. His maid is a filipina... She cleans so good!~

thoght u were more intelligente, now you are aainst all mexican because ONE makes you upset..

by the way , there is a reason why many mexicans are doing ow skilled jobs in us and it because we have boerderline in common , you dont.

What would hhapen if u were nest to US??? be honest...

Well if you read back I already apologized to other mexicans here already. scroll up. You can't fault me for what I have been saying because the way ElGuero is talking to filipinos is very prejudicial. Considering Mexicans gets unfair treatments as well some, of all the people who would discriminate filipinos are the ones who were seeking equal treatment in america.

What do you mean by" What would happen if u were nest to US?
I'm actually american, was born here but with a filipino heritage and has lived in the Philippines. I'm in the medical health field and has helped alot of mexicans seeking medical help at our hospital. I know one thing for sure, I treat them with respect and gave them the treatment they deserve. EVEN IF THEY ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, I treat them as I would treat them as a US citizen

how simple .... the Aztec were well developed and had millions of people in Mexico when the Spaniards came in Colombia there wasnt a big indigenous population and was scattered to certain areas and was a few thousands. now when the Spanish came there wasnt many people here so most people have stronger european features...yes ofcourse mexico has to have more because it has over 100 m people while colombia only has over 40 m dude use your logic

thats not true man Mexico is 9 % white while Colombia is 20% white. now the Colombian mestizos tend to look more European than indigenous thats because we didnt have a big indian empire like Aztecs in Mexico or incas in peru so Colombians mestizos are very Caucasian looking and Colombia has less than 5% black i dont know why you say we have a high black population either.


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look at this map its has bee talked in latin forums and we latinos think is the closest one to the reality!

look argentina and uruguay porcentages, dont be ridiculous, why you colombians feel so ofended when somthing takes down your wishes tu be seen as white people??


https://qed.princeton.edu/images/b/be/Ethnic_Composition,_1990s.jpg

There are millions of Americans of Mexican ancestry who are the same. That's not even including Mexicans who live in Mexico and don't need to move to the US - they have a better life over there.

Mexicans, with a history in the US for over 400 years, have been politicians and the like! No Filipino has ever governed California. Howcome? They're the largest Asian group. My uncle, in fact, is a Lawyer who lives in Orange County in a bigger house than you'll ever see in your life. His maid is a filipina... She cleans so good!~

So? my maid was a mexican as well at one time BIG DEAL!!!:lol::lol::lol:


Check in the white house for filipinos working in the US government.

Mexicans have long history with the US. This is why alot of you thinks you own america and you have the right to come and go as you please. And what? tax payers like me would pay for your food stamps, provide health care for free because , provide education to illegal immigrants?

When will you guys stop saying that! Just becuase you have some foreign influence (which includes American) you think you're somehow not Asian!

Come on, YES YOU ARE. Racially almost EVERY SINGLE PINOY is Malay, etc.

:nuts:

We never denied that in the first place that we are Malay and you can see that in our previous posts. However, we can't deny that we are culturally Hispanic to some extent.

Here's your :2cents: and buy yourself someone here who can debate with your nonsenses.

:lol:

Nota bene: Like Special Olympics, winning the forum wars in the first place, would still consider you a retard.

look at this map its has bee talked in latin forums and we latinos think is the closest one to the reality!

look argentina and uruguay porcentages, dont be ridiculous, why you colombians feel so ofended when somthing takes down your wishes tu be seen as white people??


https://qed.princeton.edu/images/b/be/Ethnic_Composition,_1990s.jpg

the mestizo and white population of colombia is around 80% and Colombian mestizos are usually more European looking than Mexicans thats the true ok? now if you want to talk about this than send me a PM this is not the topic of the thread

The truth is this: Most Latin Americans do not really care for Filipinos when all is said and done. Latin Americans are about Familia, not outsiders. Especially outsiders who are not Criollo, Indio, or Mestizo! Asians have never sat well with Latin Americans.

Even the Spanish CASTA sort of expalins it : In the Criollo population, Amerindian blood was fine - it was pure and could be turned into pure Indian or pure White again. Africans and Asians were not permitted to intermarry, and their descendants could never be White or Indian, and could never hold important positions.
so indio are latin now? wow :lol::nuts: how did that fukken happen? latins are suppose to be found in italy and now some jungle hunting indian now considered also a latin, :lol:

Mexicans have long history with the US. This is why alot of you thinks you own america and you have the right to come and go as you please. And what? tax payers like me would pay for your food stamps, provide health care for free because , provide education to illegal immigrants?

Yes, of course - it was our land. Big deal! It's funny that you listen to those that say Illegals cost so much. They add more if anything. That includes the tons of ILLEGALS FROM ASIA. You can't hide that fact, it was on the news a couple months ago. Asians try to get here in droves - its a good thing we have an Ocean to block them!

BTW Whites are the largest group on Welfare, etc in the US... So, say whatever you'd like.

so indio are latin now? wow :lol::nuts: how did that fukken happen? latins are suppose to be found in italy and now some jungle hunting indian now considered also a latin, :lol:

LOL, "jungle-hunting Indian" as opposed to flat-nosed, Cat-eating Malay that digs in dumpsters to escape EXTREME poverty! Asian and Africa have the highest rates of POVERTY WORLWIDE... There's another fact for you.

dude the indian population in Colombia is 1% lol everyone knows that research it


when did a said it wasnt? but in fact it is clear in the graphic i posted your low level of indian, BUT you have a high porcentage of black people y mestizos , what you said is a lie "colombian mestizos look clearer and spanish than mexican" why is a lie, because your mestizaje was black with spanish , not spanish with indian like mexico.

so you mestizaje is called mulatos, no mestizos..

the mestizo and white population of colombia is around 80% and Colombian mestizos are usually more European looking than Mexicans thats the true ok? now if you want to talk about this than send me a PM this is not the topic of the thread

nop, not true.

eso es su complejo...en colombia el equivalente a mestizo en emxico es el mulato, y colombia tiene la tercera poblaciond e negros mas grande de america despues d e USA, brasil.

lier

how simple .... the Aztec were well developed and had millions of people in Mexico when the Spaniards came in Colombia there wasnt a big indigenous population and was scattered to certain areas and was a few thousands. now when the Spanish came there wasnt many people here so most people have stronger european features...yes ofcourse mexico has to have more because it has over 100 m people while colombia only has over 40 m dude use your logic

You're kidding. Of course the amounts of people were WAY smaller. And disease killed of like 80% of Indians in Mexico. There weren't that much more than in Colombia.

BTW You haven't even said anything about Colombia's huge African-derived population... Millions are part African, yet you seem to think theyre White?

When will you guys stop saying that! Just becuase you have some foreign influence (which includes American) you think you're somehow not Asian!

Come on, YES YOU ARE. Racially almost EVERY SINGLE PINOY is Malay, etc.

:nuts:

Did you really understand what I said? Se no habla ingles y hablas ingles pero no intiendes mas fluido?

You just had Spanish influence yourself and prior to that the spanish colonization and you think you're one of them already? Booo hooo

Yes, I'm a proud filipino! And don't you forget that! A proud well educated filipino who treats sick illegal mexicans people with respect and with no biases. Can you do that? Oh yes, you're ignorant, you do not know what "respect" means....:lol::lol:

nop, not true.

eso es su complejo...en colombia el equivalente a mestizo en emxico es el mulato, y colombia tiene la tercera poblaciond e negros mas grande de america despues d e USA, brasil.

lier

Edson, everyone has their downfalls I guess. If they want to pretend they're more white... That's on them... We know how they look!

nop, not true.

eso es su complejo...en colombia el equivalente a mestizo en emxico es el mulato, y colombia tiene la tercera poblaciond e negros mas grande de america despues d e USA, brasil.

lier

Y no mas importa, gringo y negros es implicable.¿Cuál es la gran cosa sobre cuántos son blancos y cuántos son obscuridad pelada?

Did you really understand what I said? Se no habla ingles y hablas ingles pero no intiendes mas fluido?

You just had Spanish influence yourself and prior to that the spanish colonization and you think you're one of them already? Booo hooo

Yes, I'm a proud filipino! And don't you forget that! A proud well educated filipino who treats sick illegal mexicans people with respect and with no biases. Can you do that? Oh yes, you're ignorant, you do not know what "respect" means....:lol::lol:

Who are you talking to? Yo hablo Espanol pero estamos hablando en Ingles...

No, there's where your wrong. Mexico didn't just "have Spanish influence" like the mere philippines. We ARE descendants of Spaniards. That means our great-great-great grandparents of long ago WERE the Spanish who Filipinos think so highly of and would die to have babies with. We are proud of our two peoples... they did more than make little rice patties.

Y yo Soy Mexicano! Better-looking and with a real culture, not merely borrowed from your favorite people...

Who are you talking to? Yo hablo Espanol pero estamos hablando en Ingles...

No, there's where your wrong. Mexico didn't just "have Spanish influence" like the mere philippines. We ARE descendants of Spaniards. That means our great-great-great grandparents of long ago WERE the Spanish who Filipinos think so highly of and would die to have babies with.

Y yo Soy Mexicano! Better-looking and with a real culture, not merely borrowed from your favorite people...

¿Qué no entiendo soy ése, por qué invado la página filipina apenas para poner en ridículo a los filipinos?


El For Your Information, allí es los filipinos que son los descendientes directos de los españoles. Busque a Zobel De Ayalas de las Filipinas.

these are pictures of Colombian mestizos marching for peace. this represents the people of Bogota from all social status.. show me a march of Mexicans and you'll see that people dont look so white

Bogotanian multitude!

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv171/sosorio/2687180517_d51266f217.jpg

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv171/sosorio/2687183413_86c4445aaa.jpg

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv171/sosorio/2687307416_96714fce0a.jpg

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv171/sosorio/2687994966_cff131f9a2.jpg


mexicans marching
http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu87/medpaisa19/_DSC9654_web.jpg

difference between mestizos ? no ? stop talking bull then and act all superior to others im sorry if im posting pictures not related to the subject but i just wanted to show this mexicans how European they are. we are all people same thing relax !

Y no mas importa, gringo y negros es implicable.¿Cuál es la gran cosa sobre cuántos son blancos y cuántos son obscuridad pelada?

it doesnt matter to me, but colombians used to say that kind of lies, especially paisas8people from medellin) and used to pretend to look more spanish in order to feel less, so attacks us , mexicans, calling us indios , i have had a lot of discutiosn with colombians that call me indio and claiming be soooo white.

we, mexicans are 75 % mestizos like me and most of my family, we dont denie our aztec heritage and costumbres

What sources do you want? It isn't enough for you to see all of the mistakes that terrible author made? Now you want more proof...

if you cannot give proof then you are just another asshole. :bash::bash::bash:

these are pictures of Colombian mestizos marching for peace. this represents the people of Bogota from all social status.. show me a march of Mexicans and you'll see that people dont look so white

this is the only time i post this because its absurd, and you know it, people from our contrie (exept argentina and uruguay) looks diferent, why you didnt post pics from cartagena???



http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww92/edsonflaco/chavas/2454694548_2fe849e717_b.jpg?t=1255420413

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww92/edsonflaco/chavas/2476893999_d8a150c40b_b.jpg?t=1255420455

¿Qué no entiendo soy ése, por qué invado la página filipina apenas para poner en ridículo a los filipinos?


El For Your Information, allí es los filipinos que son los descendientes directos de los españoles. Busque a Zobel De Ayalas de las Filipinas.

LOL all you can come up with are those stupid Zobel de Ayalas.. they're also part German. And one family compared to Mexico's millions? Even European royalty intermarried with Mexican nobilty... Look at the Royal Family of Monaco and Rainier III... ellos tienen sangre Mexicana tambien. There are descendants of the Last Italian King in Mexico, and noble families from France, Spain, and even England who have married Mexican families... Big deal!

Everytime a filipino wants to feel good he mentions the Zobels..LOL

it doesnt matter to me, but colombians used to say that kind of lies, especially paisas8people from medellin) and used to pretend to look more spanish in order to feel less, so attacks us , mexicans, calling us indios , i have had a lot of discutiosn with colombians that call me indio and claiming be soooo white.

we, mexicans are 75 % mestizos like me and most of my family, we dont denie our aztec heritage and costumbres

See, that is what I do not want to happen myself, we were once called indios by the Spaniards, left us without education and treated us poorly. This is exactly how Elguera is treating us now... There is not other better race over the other, we are all created equally so we must be treated equally.

It's ironic that Elguera would attack filipinos in our own thread, our own turf. Now, what do you call that? Ignorance doesn't it?

thats so absurd as if a picture can show the ethnic reality of a whole country, why you didnt post people from cartagena??? ..dont be ridiculous..

He's an idiot. Much of the people in that Photo have definate non-European features... It is a matter of what he thinks LOOKS white... Maybe he doesn't really have a good grasp on what White people look like..:lol:

LOL all you can come up with are those stupid Zobel de Ayalas.. they're also part German. And one family compared to Mexico's millions? Even European royalty intermarried with Mexican nobilty... Look at the Royal Family of Monaco and Rainier III... ellos tienen sangre Mexicana tambien. There are descendants of the Last Italian King in Mexico, and noble families from France, Spain, and even England who have married Mexican families... Big deal!

Everytime a filipino wants to feel good he mentions the Zobels..LOL

Just to give you an example that there are infact, direct descendants of Spaniards? Why else would we have Spanish looking filipinos, why else Zamboanga has alot of mestisos and mestisas? How else they would speak Chavacano which is pretty much pure spanish. You are missing the point.

LOL all you can come up with are those stupid Zobel de Ayalas.. they're also part German. And one family compared to Mexico's millions? Even European royalty intermarried with Mexican nobilty... Look at the Royal Family of Monaco and Rainier III... ellos tienen sangre Mexicana tambien. There are descendants of the Last Italian King in Mexico, and noble families from France, Spain, and even England who have married Mexican families... Big deal!

Everytime a filipino wants to feel good he mentions the Zobels..LOL

unsay gusto nimo, sinumbagay? tinigbasay? pili lang:D:lol:

it doesnt matter to me, but colombians used to say that kind of lies, especially paisas8people from medellin) and used to pretend to look more spanish in order to feel less, so attacks us , mexicans, calling us indios , i have had a lot of discutiosn with colombians that call me indio and claiming be soooo white.

we, mexicans are 75 % mestizos like me and most of my family, we dont denie our aztec heritage and costumbres

That's right! The Indians were thought of as true equals to the Spaniards (as historians have written) They were true nobles and Warriors. The Aztec and Tlaxcalan noblilty intermarried with Spanish nobility... The Moctezuma's became Condes de Miravalle and Duques de Moctezuma in Spain. Amerindians were treated higher than any other conquered peoples - including Malays...:banana:

Lol, they even bathed daily at a time when Europeans did so monthly! cochinos!

Just to give you an example that there are infact, direct descendants of Spaniards? Why else would we have Spanish looking filipinos, why else Zamboanga has alot of mestisos and mestisas? How else they would speak Chavacano which is pretty much pure spanish. You are missing the point.

YOU CANNOT SAY Chavacano is almost pure Spanish - it doesn't follow Spanish grammar and the words are chopped up like cats in a filipino household.:cheers:

this is the only time i post this because its absurd, and you know it, people from our contrie (exept argentina and uruguay) looks diferent, why you didnt post pics from cartagena???



http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww92/edsonflaco/chavas/2454694548_2fe849e717_b.jpg?t=1255420413

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww92/edsonflaco/chavas/2476893999_d8a150c40b_b.jpg?t=1255420455


put marches of multitudes not just some rich mexican college kids.. over 75% of colombia live in Bogota, Medellin, Cali, and the inner highlands why post a pictures of cartagena where only 15% of the population live in the coast ?

Genetic and anthropometric studies had proven that the Philippines don't have more that 4-5% of Iberian ancestral influences. I could find and read the data if it's wanted.

The Iberian influences are much higher in Argentina, Mexico, Chile, Colombia, Puerto Rico, Peru, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Paraguay and even in Bolivia than it is in the Philippines. What is the big deal here ?

these are pictures of Colombian mestizos marching for peace. this represents the people of Bogota from all social status.. show me a march of Mexicans and you'll see that people dont look so white





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it easy as all colombian forists you take pics tha are usefull to your complejo:)

do these guys look spabish?? no!!! and you have cities like cartagena were almost every one is black LIER!!


SO COOMON MAN DONT LIE YOURSELF TRYIN TO MAKE COLOMBIAN WHITE COUTRY..

WE ARE MESTIZOS ONLU ARGENTINA AND URUGUAY ARE EUROPEOS MAYORITY. ACCEPT IT!

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Yes, of course - it was our land. Big deal! It's funny that you listen to those that say Illegals cost so much. They add more if anything. That includes the tons of ILLEGALS FROM ASIA. You can't hide that fact, it was on the news a couple months ago. Asians try to get here in droves - its a good thing we have an Ocean to block them!

BTW Whites are the largest group on Welfare, etc in the US... So, say whatever you'd like.

Never was the white the biggest number in welfare, it's black and latinos.
And if you compare the illegal immigrants with hords of mexicans entering the US daily, it's 5 is to 1, many asians can enter Canada and cross so it's not by ocean thank you very much, infact, asians can use Mexico, but because the mexican governement wants the mexicans to enter the US, they close their eyes and let them through:lol::lol:

And yes, part of TEXAS WAS YOUR LAND or parts closer to the US-Mexico boarder, BUT Mexico never owned UTAH, ILLINOIS or Florida? You all are claiming those too? dumb isn't it?

the big deal is that we have a mexican guy here insulting the philippines and feeling superior calling them all kinds of maids. im using my country Colombia as an example everyone knows the presence of Europeans in Colombia is much higher than Mexico but they come saying all this BS. the topic was comparing Filipinos with Mexicans and vice versa till this troll came here messing up the thread.

Genetic and anthropometric studies had proven that the Philippines don't have more that 4-5% of Iberian ancestral influences. I could find and read the data if it's wanted.

The Iberian influences are much higher in Argentina, Mexico, Chile, Colombia, Puerto Rico, Peru, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Paraguay and even in Bolivia than it is in the Philippines. What is the big deal here ?

@ Animo - See what I am talking about Animo? is i still one in a million? This is what I have been talking about...

@stormshadow - Basically, what was being discussed here stormshadow is that how dark skinned mexicans looks very much like filipinos and vice versa, they are not saying the white looking spanish looks filipinos. That there were infact traces and history between Manila and acapulco through galleon trade, this is why there were filipinos who made it to mexico and probably lived there while there were mexicans who ended up in the Philippines, but I think it was just a small percentage. There were also beliefs that during the Spanish colonization of the Philippines for 300 years, it was more the portugese who was ordered by the Spaniards to stay in the Philippines. When the Americans took over, alot of castillian spanish left, some went to Zamboanga but there were those who stayed in Manila and other parts of the Philippines like Cebu, this is why you would also see a number of mestisos around the Philippines, not just chinese mestisos but Spanish mestisos.

But elguera entered the scene so now it's a total fiasco.

Can you believe these? The filipinos are being insulted at their own thread?

it easy as all colombian forists you take pics tha are usefull to your complejo:)

do these guys look spabish?? no!!! and you have cities like cartagena were almost every one is black LIER!!


SO COOMON MAN DONT LIE YOURSELF TRYIN TO MAKE COLOMBIAN WHITE COUTRY..

WE ARE MESTIZOS ONLU ARGENTINA AND URUGUAY ARE EUROPEOS MAYORITY. ACCEPT IT!




I said we have a higher percentage than Mexicans or is that a lie ? I never said we are a white country. but what i can say is that the spanish presence in the Colombian population is way higher than in mexico. whats up with the LIER !in every writing you post ?

put marches of multitudes not just some rich mexican college kids.. over 75% of colombia live in Bogota, Medellin, Cali, and the inner highlands why post a pictures of cartagena where only 15% of the population live in the coast ?

not college kids its just people going to a free concert in mexico df.

ok medellin you said? this is a picture o medellin, acording a as what you has been sayind they shoul look spanish because (egun tu) mestizos from colombia look like white...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2513/3710686293_425e471de6_b.jpg

more medellin norma people

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3376/3342203078_aa29326a60_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3342203072_01a4eb7feb_b.jpg


you know what i hav eno problem when tou say tha mestizos in mexico parecemos menos blancos, what is funny to me is that you dont accept tha yor porcentages are obviously wrong, and you IDEA tha yoor mestizos look white..

Mexican girls at a game

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Mexican_Girls.jpg

File:Inukshuk Monterrey 1.jpg
A photo of a MEXICAN GIRL AND A SPANISH GIRL- Which is Which?
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Never was the white the biggest number in welfare, it's black and latinos.

You are wrong, go read up on it. Whites are the largest group on welfare....AND!

unsay gusto nimo, sinumbagay? tinigbasay? pili lang:D:lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

pastilan bai, naglibog man ko ug diskusyon diri kay hambugero ning usa. ning elguero ba bai.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_IPuJBBT_0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biH0uGHsPaU

I would put other pictures, but who doesn't want to see some hot Mexicanas!

You are wrong, go read up on it. Whites are the largest group on welfare....AND!

here is your fact ffs who ever wins the statistic, note that there is no asian in it, because there is a very small percentage of it, not enough to be accounted for

4."The custody incarceration rate for black males was 4,618 per 100,000. Hispanic males were incarcerated at a rate of 1,747 per 100,000. Compared to the estimated numbers of black, white, and Hispanic males in the U.S. resident population, black males (6 times) and Hispanic males (a little more than 2 times) were more likely to be held in custody than white males. At midyear 2007 the estimated incarceration rate of white males was 773 per 100,000.
"Across all age categories, black males were incarcerated at higher rates than white or Hispanic males. Black males ages 30 to 34 had the highest custody incarceration rate of any race, age, or gender group at midyear 2007."

Source: Sabol, William J., PhD, and Couture, Heather, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Prison Inmates at Midyear 2007 (Washington, DC: US Department of Justice, June 2008), NCJ221944, p. 7.

ok this is getting ridiculous im going to bed i feel sooo stupid to get down to the level of these inmature little kids and actually think I could have a discussion with them. I apologies to the Filipinos and the mexican guy the thread starter for taking part of this non sense argument in your forum. I'm going to bed WE LOVE THE PHILIPPINES IN LATIN AMERICA. dont let this lil fools fool you.

dont argue back to them and they will leave your forum alone :D

now this pictures are tipical from mexico city, most of that person are poor or clase baja llok a their mestizaje , its tipico from southern mexican, wich is diferent fron northern mexican, also traditions this pics are not selecetd:)

mestizos from south mexico

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3219/3085413850_50af34a634_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2543/3703494918_69bdf9f26f_o.jpg

El Guero should be banned.......

the big deal is that we have a mexican guy here insulting the philippines and feeling superior calling them all kinds of maids. im using my country Colombia as an example everyone knows the presence of Europeans in Colombia is much higher than Mexico but they come saying all this BS. the topic was comparing Filipinos with Mexicans and vice versa till this troll came here messing up the thread.

ARE YOU BLIND. Didn't we just post information on the presence of Europeans in Latin America... The BIGGEST GROUPS ARE IN Brazil, Argentina, and Mexico...

COLOMBIA isn't there until number 5... FIVE...

ok this is getting ridiculous im going to bed i feel sooo stupid to get down to the level of these inmature little kids and actually think I could have a discussion with them. I apologies to the Filipinos and the mexican guy the thread starter for taking part of this non sense argument in your forum. I'm going to bed WE LOVE THE PHILIPPINES IN LATIN AMERICA. dont let this lil fools fool you.

dont argue back to them and they will leave your forum alone :D

hey hey you stupid colombian dont include me on tha "stupid " ok? more respect, i never said a bad word against filipinos if you read the thread i have been showing the coomo things beteen us , filipinos and mexican.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_IPuJBBT_0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biH0uGHsPaU

I would put other pictures, but who doesn't want to see some hot Mexicanas!

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q19/donmiguel1810/1161099006_l1.jpg

@ Animo - See what I am talking about Animo? is i still one in a million? This is what I have been talking about...

@stormshadow - Basically, what was being discussed here stormshadow is that how dark skinned mexicans looks very much like filipinos and vice versa, they are not saying the white looking spanish looks filipinos. That there were infact traces and history between Manila and acapulco through galleon trade, this is why there were filipinos who made it to mexico and probably lived there while there were mexicans who ended up in the Philippines, but I think it was just a small percentage. There were also beliefs that during the Spanish colonization of the Philippines for 300 years, it was more the portugese who was ordered by the Spaniards to stay in the Philippines. When the Americans took over, alot of castillian spanish left, some went to Zamboanga but there were those who stayed in Manila and other parts of the Philippines like Cebu, this is why you would also see a number of mestisos around the Philippines, not just chinese mestisos but Spanish mestisos.

But elguera entered the scene so now it's a total fiasco.

Can you believe these? The filipinos are being insulted at their own thread?

Oh I see, I just stepped in the thread and saw a huge commotion. Which appeared to be in the direction of the so called "Off White Dilemma" by some parties. lol

Yes, some Filipinos can look Mexican and vice versa, however, both groups have their distinct phenotypical variations that to the moderately trained eye can be easily picked out, skin tone variation are quite similar, Filipinos can range from olive skin to caramel skin as I call it, as with many Mexicans and even Colombians who are being discussed here. BTW, in history, some Filipinos had migrated to Guerrero, and Colima which is located on the Pacific coast of Mexico. Likely many have been assimilated by this time and intermarried many local people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexicans_of_Filipino_descent

I agree this topic should be discussed on an educational level and in a level of interest, it should not have turned into a slanderous festival.

Oh I see, I just stepped in the thread and saw a huge commotion. Which appeared to be in the direction of the so called "Off White Dilemma" by some parties. lol

Yes, some Filipinos can look Mexican and vice versa, however, both groups have their distinct phenotypical variations that to the moderately trained eye can be easily picked out, skin tone variation are quite similar, Filipinos can range from olive skin to caramel skin as I call it, as with many Mexicans and even Colombians who are being discussed here. BTW, in history, some Filipinos had migrated to Guerrero, and Colima which is located on the Pacific coast of Mexico. Likely many have been assimilated by this time and intermarried many local people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexicans_of_Filipino_descent

I agree this topic should be discussed on an educational level and in a level of interest, it should not have turned into a slanderous festival.

Well said. I've only been slandered against because I've brought information that most Filipinos overlook when talking about their country and ethnicity. That's what I get for trying to open their eyes... Good Night!

Most of Latin/Ibero America are "new" phenotypic populations which arose within the last 300 years or so, non a complete off-shoot of Europe. Using selective images won't prove this point. Even in Argentina which is stated to be one of the most "European" in terms of genetics along with Uruguay, had been proven in recent studies to have around peripheral 30% Amerindian genetic influences along with a minor around peripheral 2% Sub Saharan one.

Most of Latin/Ibero America are "new" phenotypic populations which arose within the last 300 years or so, non a complete off-shoot of Europe. Using selective images won't prove this point. Even in Argentina which is stated to be one of the most "European" in terms of genetics along with Uruguay, had been proven in recent studies to have around peripheral 30% Amerindian genetic influences along with a minor around peripheral 2% Sub Saharan one.

No one has said Latin America was a complete off-shoot... more like a grafted plant. European blood, whether pure or (mostly) mixed is a majority according to numbers. As was said to be the difference between Mexicans and Filipinos:

Filipinos are Asian with some foreign input. Mexico is about equally Amerindian and European. All that was said is the top three countries in LA with the biggest European populations are Brazil, Argentina (not Urugauy with a mere 3 million people) and Mexico (with a medium sized European country (17 mil)located in it, you could say.)

Yeah the aztecs are so smart they did not even learn to invent the wheel... basically they were a stone age people isolated people while the philippines was technologically ahead and were already in contact with the chinese, arabs and indians, have make use of the wheel and domesticated animals :lol:

They build pyramids when the egyptians already made them 3000 years ago. :lol:

@ stormshadow

Yes, that was what was originally being discussed here. I guess Elguero didn't like the idea that some filipinos here are proponents on union with the latin american countries and revive the old spanish glory in the Philippines by encouraging the use of the Spanish language then campagne for it's revival as an official language of the Philippines as well which was changed during the Marcos Administration and we end up having Filipino which is tagalog base as the national language and english as an official language for business and commerce.

Yes, that was what was originally being discussed here. I guess Elguero didn't like the idea that some filipinos here are proponents on union with the latin american countries and revive the old spanish glory in the Philippines by encouraging the use of the Spanish language then campagne for it's revival as an official language of the Philippines as well which was changed during the Marcos Administration and we end up having Filipino which is tagalog base as the national language and english as an official language for business and commerce.

The typical Filipino, lol "old Spanish glory" in the Philippines. Now I just feel sorry for your people.

Filipinos are Asian with some foreign input. Mexico is about equally Amerindian and European. All that was said is the top three countries in LA with the biggest European populations are Brazil, Argentina (not Urugauy with a mere 3 million people) and Mexico (with a medium sized European country (17 mil)located in it, you could say.)

You don't even know what was really being discussed here before you butt in. Read what I told Stormshaddow on how filipinos looks like the dark skinned mexicans and there are mexicans that looks dark skinned filipinos.

The typical Filipino, lol "old Spanish glory" in the Philippines. Now I just feel sorry for your people.

Don't feel sorry for us because we are highly educated and well mannered. Not stupid and ignorant like yourself.

Yes, Spanish glory!!! You can't deny the history that Spain ruled the Philippines for 300 years. That there are spaniards who impregnated some of our women. Don't you call these descendants of the spaniards? Offsprings of the spaniards who were even priests... Those offsprings maybe bastards being a child of a catholic priest but there were also those who were impregnated by the spanish officials as well, those are direct descendants. Whether you like it or not, they were descendants..

Yeah the aztecs are so smart they did not even learn to invent the wheel... basically they were a stone age people isolated people while the philippines was already in contact with the chinese, arabs and indians :lol:

Let's not get started on the ancient civilizations... the Mayan invented the concept of Zero - The Mesoamerican Long Count calendar developed in south-central Mexico and Central America required the use of zero as a place-holder within its vigesimal (base-20) positional numeral system... It wasn't invented by little Filipinos living on rice patties.

The Amerindians built Pyramids that rival Egypt's - THE LARGEST PYRAMID IN THE WORLD - Great Pyramid of Cholula. Plus Astrology, Mathematics, Architecture, Medicine, ETC... Go eat some rice.

Yes, Spanish glory!!! You can't deny the history that Spain ruled the Philippines for 300 years.

That is sad. We're having this discussion because of the "Spanish glory" and the philippines dirty laundry is hanging everywhere and your proud of it?

The Spanish gem was Mexico and that's why the philippines (and numerous others) was RULED from Mexico City... That's what you can call GLORY.

The Philippines wasn't anything special, just an outpost in Asia.

And Mexico is any different and special with its corrupt officials, drug lords and poor people who is in exodus to escape poverty in Mexico just to do the dirty jobs in the US?

Call it what you want but you are just a hispanic wannabe yourself.

Don't you call these descendants of the spaniards? Offsprings of the spaniards who were even priests... Those offsprings maybe bastards being a child of a catholic priest but there were also those who were impregnated by the spanish officials as well, those are direct descendants. Whether you like it or not, they were descendants..

Obviously, they are descendants. I've never said there weren't small numbers including the much loved Zobel family..LOL.

It's sad that you need people to know that the Spanish conquered you and made you into taxed slaves... Yay!

Like Mexico never was a slave of the Spaniards. Don't tell me you loved how the spaniards treat you when they conquered and colonized your land.


Had the spaniards never colonized mexico, you would of have never been part of latino world which most other latin countries never accepted mexico as a latin nation.

its already 1500 ad they still did not know the fukken wheel, and not all indians were given privlegges only those who help them fight the aztecs were given such privillege.

And your really dumb you know because you totaly even missing the entire point we never claim filipinos as predominantly mixed with spaniards the was point that philippines is much more similar to latin america than to its neighbhors. So technically we are more hispanic in culture and way of life than sout east asian or asian and it has nothing to do with race you. But oh well i guess your just plain purely retarded. :lol:
What the heck can't u understand?

And Mexico is any different and special with its corrupt officials, drug lords and poor people who is in exodus to escape poverty in Mexico just to do the dirty jobs in the US?

Call it what you want but you are just a hispanic wannabe yourself.

Yes Mexico is "any different"... it's a whole lot different... I don't see the Philippines as the 11th largest economy in the world. Morelike 36th. I don't see the top Billionaires being from the Philippines like the US, Mexico, and Sweden.

If the Philippines was next to America instead of Mexico (and Americans can thank God) we'd see an even bigger exodus... and more restaurants serving cats.

And lay off the "we're Hispanic" thing... That's a big LIE and you know it... Filipinos and Indonesians are ONE AND THE SAME.

Like Mexico never was a slave of the Spaniards. Don't tell me you loved how the spaniards treat you when they conquered and colonized your land.


Had the spaniards never colonized mexico, you would of have never been part of latino world which most other latin countries never accepted mexico as a latin nation.

Never mind, I'm lying.

I really want to know where you get that... Your totally making that up. Every Latin Nation are brothers, we know who is who. So you can drop your little act.

The Mexicans were under Spain, of course. But as said earlier we have had the best treatment from the Spanish. The "best" doesn't mean it was a bed of roses for all. But Amerindians were seen as Pure people and thus able to marry Spaniards. Their descendants were able to become Criollos... The Spanish intermarried with them in droves, unlike the Philippines where the negritos were looked down upon and all other filipinos not good enough to wipe their boots. Don't forget Mexicans and Spaniards alike conquered the islands... They set sail from Mexico with Legazpi...

The Spaniards and Mexicans were your Lords and you were the bitches.

There werent even mexicans back then you just were indians that were taken here as slaves. :lol: to pick up cargo and goods and transport it back to spain. lolol

There werent even mexicans back then you just were indians that were taken here as slaves. :lol: to pick up cargo and goods and transport it back to spain. lolol

The year was 1565 and 158+ and there were Mexicans that are here today. Criollos, Mestizos, Castizos (more Euro/bit Indian), and Indians.

You have nothing to say to that I can tell. Mexicans ARE the Europeans and Amerindians f-ing dumb ass.

And your laughing!? Put Filipinos in place of "Mexicans" and you have the truth, slaves, cargo carriers...plus to top it off you weren't aloud to have sex with Mexican/European women..LOL

And that continued in California until the Sixties. Filipinos couldnt legally marry Whites and Hispanics - which were included in the category in the US.

Yes Mexico is "any different"... it's a whole lot different... I don't see the Philippines as the 11th largest economy in the world. Morelike 36th. I don't see the top Billionaires being from the Philippines like the US, Mexico, and Sweden.

If the Philippines was next to America instead of Mexico (and Americans can thank God) we'd see an even bigger exodus... and more restaurants serving cats.

And lay off the "we're Hispanic" thing... That's a big LIE and you know it... Filipinos and Indonesians are ONE AND THE SAME.


You are really ignorant.... Philippine restaurant don't serve Cats,

but some restaurants outside the cities serve DOGS

and also serving in silver plate some stupid and ignorant individual
person like you.

Adios

The spaniards were already here since 1521 and we fought them and killed their beloved great magellan while your people were getting assraped by cortez who has only several hundred men but despite that he wiped out your tribe and your buttnaked warriors numbering 250,000. whew now thats a true warrior race an army of just like 500 wiping out 250,000. :lol:

You are really ignorant.... Philippine restaurant don't serve Cats,

but some restaurants outside the cities serve DOGS

and also serving in silver plate some stupid and ignorant individual
person like you.

Adios

:lol:
Oh, we serve (mexican style hot and spicy) lizard too:D:lol:

You are really ignorant.... Philippine restaurant don't serve Cats,

but some restaurants outside the cities serve DOGS

and also serving in silver plate some stupid and ignorant individual
person like you.

Adios


Sure thing.., I'll not take my chances just the same... It's bad enough having some down the block with their drug-addicts in their garage. :lol:

The year was 1565 and 158+ and there were Mexicans that are here today. Criollos, Mestizos, Castizos (more Euro/bit Indian), and Indians.

You have nothing to say to that I can tell. Mexicans ARE the Europeans and Amerindians f-ing dumb ass.

And your laughing!? Put Filipinos in place of "Mexicans" and you have the truth, slaves, cargo carriers...plus to top it off you weren't aloud to have sex with Mexican/European women..LOL

And that continued in California until the Sixties. Filipinos couldnt legally marry Whites and Hispanics - which were included in the category in the US.

oh btw, i forgot to inform u my great grandparents are mexican that settled here :lol: and mexican culture is very open and welcoming exactly the same here in the philppines and people like you are a shame to mexico and mexicans. you should be sent back to spain since most spaniards are racist just like u. :nuts:

The spaniards were already here since 1521 and we fought them and killed their beloved great magellan while your people were getting assraped by cortez who has only several hundred men but despite that he wiped out your tribe and your buttnaked warriors numbering 250,000. whew now thats a true warrior race an army of just like 500 wiping out 250,000. :lol:

I don't have time to teach you a history lesson, especially about my country - when you need to learn about yours.

I don't have time to teach you a history lesson, especially about my country - when you need to learn about yours.

I can't believe you would even think of talking about any other group on Earth, being a Filipino and all. Your people are like the dust underneath the rest of us - dirty, and common. Not to mention You all even hate yourself!:bash:....

BTW, Spaniards and Latin Americans tend to think in common - that's for your "warm and welcoming" edit about Mexicans.

tsee, guapo ako noh, at naliligo araw-araw:lol::lol::lol:

I don't have time to teach you a history lesson, especially about my country - when you need to learn about yours.

I can't believe you would even think of talking about any other group on Earth, being a Filipino and all. Your people are like the dust underneath the rest of us - dirty, and common. Not to mention You all even hate yourself!:bash:....

BTW, Spaniards and Latin Americans tend to think in common - that's for your "warm and welcoming" edit about Mexicans.

yep they sure do think in common that is why many indians are being mistreated in spain even in latin america, they frown upon brown indian looking latinos like u :lol:

yep they sure do think in common that is why many indians are being mistreated in spain even in latin america, they frown upon brown indian looking latinos like u :lol:

Do you know Spanish... My name is El 'Güero'. Figure it out. And your not brown? Hmm, thats odd. Your picture shows all. Anyway, I feel a little bad winning the debates so profoundly... I'm sure there are notable things about Filipinos - I'll have to try and find some sometime.

yep they sure do think in common that is why many indians are being mistreated in spain even in latin america, they frown upon brown indian looking latinos like u :lol:

you are barking on the wrong tree........ the enemy of the Filipino people is the fuc.... El Guerro
and not the American Indians nor the Mexicanos.

you are barking on the wrong tree........ the enemy of the Filipino people is the fuc.... El Guerro
and not the American Indians.

Funny you say that. As for being the enemy, I've known Mexicans of all shades to comment on Filipinos... and not just gueritos.

the enemy of the Filipino people is the fuc.... El Guerro
and not the American Indians nor the Mexicanos

What are you talking about - I AM Mexicano... and I've told you that I have ancestors from both the Old and New World. The majority of Mexicans talk about Filipinos, no matter what color we are.

Do you know Spanish... My name is El 'Güero'. Figure it out. And your not brown? Hmm, thats odd. Your picture shows all. Anyway, I feel a little bad winning the debates so profoundly... I'm sure there are notable things about Filipinos - I'll have to try and find some sometime.

Yea i know what it is and i don't give a crap about your name beaner anyone can make shyt like that, so yeah basically you just don't know shyt about anything. Becoz first of all what we are trying to emphasize here is the culture not racial, and despite that some mexicans can really pass off as a pinoy same with mexicans vice versa.
Thats the fact boy wether u fuken like it or not that how it is in this world if u dont like it then just go and commit suicide or something move to another planet full of buttnaked aztecs and indians. :lol: :nuts:

you are barking on the wrong tree........ the enemy of the Filipino people is the fuc.... El Guerro
and not the American Indians nor the Mexicanos.

im just fightin fire with fire :cheers:

Yea i know what it is and i don't give a crap about your name beaner anyone can make shyt like that, so yeah basically you just don't know shyt about anything. Becoz first of all what we are trying to emphasize here is the culture not racial, and despite that some mexicans can really pass off as a pinoy same with mexicans vice versa.
Thats the fact boy wether u fuken like it or not that how it is in this world if u dont like it then just go and commit suicide or something move to another planet full of buttnaked aztecs and indians. :lol: :nuts:

Someone needs to take his meds... If that was established, then why do we keep hearing it... yeah some look like eachother, just like Mexicans can look like Armenians, or Italians, Or Arabs, Etc... Blah, blah... That's great, after all humans only have one mouth , two eyes, a nose, etc.. People tend to look like others.

im just fightin fire with fire :cheers:

You probably have Amerindian ancestors as well, and your calling them names..Hmm. Interesting what immigrating does to a family. You must inform us sometime on why your ancestors moved from a North American country to third world Asia.

Obviously, In the first place I was the one doing a critique on that dumb author's book Manila Men... then people start calling me out and making remarks... That's human nature, to fight fire with fire... I just can't believe a Mexican descenant is on the other end! :nuts:

You probably have Amerindian ancestors as well, and your calling them names..Hmm.

obviously you just joined just to troll that's what you are all about, i don't care about calling them names i respect and admire them but if i must go against them so i could to go against against you then so be it. besides the aztecs are fukken dead anyway they were wiped out by the spaniards they fought to the very end every last one of them. They were not cowardly trolls like u.

Yes Mexico is "any different"... it's a whole lot different... I don't see the Philippines as the 11th largest economy in the world. Morelike 36th. I don't see the top Billionaires being from the Philippines like the US, Mexico, and Sweden.

If the Philippines was next to America instead of Mexico (and Americans can thank God) we'd see an even bigger exodus... and more restaurants serving cats.

And lay off the "we're Hispanic" thing... That's a big LIE and you know it... Filipinos and Indonesians are ONE AND THE SAME.

11th largest economy? where did it go and all people in mexico are starving? Too many resort into selling drugs and killing your own people who gets in the way of any drug lords who were all being protected by some government officials themselves.

If it did happen that the Philippines is next to America, it's a big plus for the United States because filipinos are well educated and knows how to pay our taxes and not siphone all you can siphone to get into welfare without paying taxes, from which I pay for as well to feed your poor illegal immigrants.

You can't deny our hispanic influences, that 300 years history cannot be denied. There are filipinos who are direct descendants of the spaniards who some elected to stay in the Philippines rather than flee after the US occupation and colonization. Mexico has it's own inhabitant prior to the colonization of Spain, it means not every single one of you are direct descendants of the spaniards. For all I care, there are many caucasian looking in Mexico because of the mix with the caucasian americans who were not really accounted for the number of Mexican caucasian mix.


To be brutally honest with you, i would much rather be aligned with other asians who are dominating the economic strong hold of the world. Even the US owe China with billions of dollars, not to Mention Japan and Korea. While most Latin American countries are corrupt and poor. With the exception of Spain no other Spanish speaking countries are economically and technologically advanced. I would certainly not want to be called mexican because of the connection in drug trafficking.. there are so many adjectives I can use but I am refraining from it because I don't want to offend other descent Mexicans who are pretty much rare. Besides, what's the difference between Mexicans and some filipinos? Mexicans aren't really well perceived as latinos in the latin world, just another "wannabes", I don't know why because of what I have already mentioned, corrupt and poor.

Just for information purposes since this topic is related to this thread.


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A Guatemalan native cries over the death of a demontrator in Guatemala City protesting against the celebration of Columbus Day, in Guatemala City, October


AFP - Tuesday, October 13

GUATEMALA CITY (AFP) - – Tens of thousands of indigenous people took to the streets across Latin America on Monday to protest the anniversary of Christopher Columbus's 1492 discovery of the Americas.

Columbus Day is celebrated as the Day of Hispanic Heritage in Latin America, but protesters marked the holiday as a reminder of the atrocities Spanish conquistadors wrought on indigenous people throughout the region.

In Guatemala City, 19-year-old demonstrator Imer Boror was killed and two were wounded as Maya Indians blocked entry points into the capital to protest their government's mining policies.

Protesters were marching on what they called the Day of Dignity and Resistance of the Indian People, protest leader Juana Mulul told AFP, saying the movement "is purely in defense of Mother Earth and our territory."

In a gesture toward reconciliation with indigenous groups, a special roundtable appointed by President Alvaro Colom after the incident was to meet with 14 poor farmers late Monday to discuss their demands.

Aparicio Perez of the Farmers Union Committee (CUC) said representatives would ask the government to annul mining, hydroelectric and cement concessions because "multinational companies are taking over natural resources, which have long been the source of life for rural families."

According to government statistics, 42 percent of Guatemala's 12 million inhabitants are Indians, although some groups put the figure at over 60 percent.

In southwestern Colombia, some 25,000 people set out from several towns and cities in Valle del Cauca department to protest President Alvaro Uribe's environmental policies and his alleged broken promises to their communities.

They planned to join up Friday in a larger demonstration of some 40,000 in the department's capital of Cali.

"We're demonstrating against the degradation of the planet... against President Alvaro Uribe's neglect" of indigenous communities, National Indigenous Organization of Colombia member Feliciano Valencia told reporters.

Indigenous people, who represent three percent of Colombia's 45 million inhabitants, accuse the conservative Uribe administration of failing to enact social programs and release state funds it promised indigenous communities when it came to power in 2002.

They also protested being regular targets of guerrilla, paramilitary and drug trafficking violence, despite their professed neutrality in the country's ongoing internal conflicts.

During an extraordinary session held at the National Pantheon, the Venezuelan National Assembly passed a bill proposing a "Day of Indigenous Resistance" to be held throughout South America.

National Assembly Speaker Cilia Flores hailed the event as proof lawmakers were "working with all the people and with a revolutionary government to build a new nation."

At the National Pantheon, where the remains of Venezuelan heroes are buried, dozens of indigenous representatives gathered in a demonstration organized by the ruling Socialist Party of Venezuela (PSUV) to protest the "genocide of the (Spanish) empire" 500 years ago.

A group of indigenous people kept the Panama-Costa Rica border closed for several hours in the morning at the Sixaola border crossing and later protested in front of the Spanish embassy.

Several thousand native activists were joined by environmentalists, farmers and students for protests across Panama demanding respect for their land rights and rejecting energy projects that "do not respect the autonomy of indigenous people" and cause "forced evictions."

"The arrival of the Spaniards in the Americas in 1492 brought about the destruction of the Indian way of life and broke a series of political and economic institutions that has since driven us into poverty," said Cecilio Guerra before burning a Spanish flag close to the presidential palace.

According to Guerra, over 21 hydroelectric concessions and nine mining projects are affecting indigenous communities.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/afp/20091013/twl-latam-columbus-native-4bdc673.html



I wondered if this Guerra is related with this Guero the bandido and contravida of SSC Forum.

But I admired this Cecilio Guerra because he is brave like Francisco "Pancho" Villa, Emiliano Zapata, and the Argentinian revolutionary leader Che Guevarra who was killed in Bolivia in the late 1960s.

El Guero should be banned.......

I don't understand why ElGüero has not been banned yet :?

But also I don't understand why people still give him attention, he's just a troll.

Some interesting notes about the name Guero.

Güero is a word used in Mexico to denote a person with light skin, or in northern New Mexico, any Anglo.
The Mexican pronunciation is [ˈwɛɾo].


People
El Guero Jaibo (d. 1993), aka Juan Francisco Murillo Díaz, a member of the Tijuana Cartel
El Güero Loco, one of the many aliases of Ivan Martin, member of the Chicano Hip-hop group, Delinquent Habits.
El Guero, nickname for Héctor Luis Palma Salazar, Mexican drug trafficker


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCero

haha wtf....perfectly good thread ruined..

by the way people should just accept who they are..

Mexico's racial make up from a couple of sources

mestizo (Amerindian-Spanish) 60%, Amerindian or predominantly Amerindian 30%, white 9%, other 1%
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/mx.html

Mestizos (those of mixed European and Amerindian ancestry) comprising up to 60–80% of the total population.[140][141]
Amerindians called indigenous peoples (indígenas) are estimated to be between 12% (pure Amerindian)[142] and 30% (predominantly Amerindian) Whites make up 9%-17%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico


Mexico’s population is composed of many ethnic groups, including indigenous American Indians (Amerindians), who account for more than one-sixth of the total, and Mexicans of European heritage (“whites”), who are nearly as numerous. Generally speaking, the mixture of indigenous and European peoples has produced the largest segment of the population today—mestizos, who account for nearly two-thirds of the total
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/379167/Mexico

btw i am mexican so i know these stats are closer to the truth than what was being said earlier....

and back on the topic ......yes i do think many mexicans and filipinos look alike

I have been in Rotterdam, Netherland and in Spain ( Barcelona, and Las Palmas ) a couple of years ago, also in Germany, UK, France, Italy, Yoguslavia, Greece, etc, but I noticed that nowadays it is very difficult to separate other Europeans from each country because they intermarriage so much with each other.

Normally the Blond and blue eyes is from Scandinavian countries and from Germany but in Barcelona, Spain and other European countries you can also find many blond and blue eyes. Spain and other Mediterranean countries is suppose to have a mixed dark look but not now because of the intermarriage between different European countries.
You're right, based on phenotypes, Europeans are hard to be distinguished from each other. I usually rely more on their gestures and fashion to guess which country someone is from. But even this is getting harder to do, especially when it comes to individuals.


As for Spain, I was in Valencia and had the chance to talk with the people. I asked them if those who are blond and blue eyed had recent north European ancestry, but all of them sad they were 100% Spanish.
It was a ridiculous question but it was an eye-opener for me. :) I have to admit that before coming to Spain I thought that the great majority (~90%) of the Spaniards would fit into a certain "Spanish look", turned out that they were much more diverse than I had thought.

Yeah the aztecs are so smart they did not even learn to invent the wheel... basically they were a stone age people isolated people while the philippines was technologically ahead and were already in contact with the chinese, arabs and indians, have make use of the wheel and domesticated animals :lol:

They build pyramids when the egyptians already made them 3000 years ago. :lol:


Pre-Hispanic MesoAmerican civilization is highly praised for their engineering by historians, structural engineers and archeologist. There was no primary stock animal to pull the wheel, it's was that simple. Not everywhere in the world had similar ecology or domesticated animals which plays a major role. BTW, the Aztecs were not the only faction in the area, but there were Maya, Toltec, Zapotec, Mixtec, ect. Even factions and cultures from the BCE era such as the Olmecs who date to the Early Preclassic who built structures and formed art as well, being unearth now by archeologist.

The Andes also has a long history such as the Chavin and Norte Chico civilizations who are also date to the Early Preclassic era. I would recommend anyone to be careful with biased views just to prove a centrist point, it's rather layman as well.

@ stormshadow

Yes, that was what was originally being discussed here. I guess Elguero didn't like the idea that some filipinos here are proponents on union with the latin american countries and revive the old spanish glory in the Philippines by encouraging the use of the Spanish language then campagne for it's revival as an official language of the Philippines as well which was changed during the Marcos Administration and we end up having Filipino which is tagalog base as the national language and english as an official language for business and commerce.

Yeah man, this is getting out of hand here. All in all, it should of been discussed in a more civilized manner. I for one have no issues with Filipinos or LatinAmericans forming bridges with each other. I think it's a positive step.

Hopefully more and more Filipinos learn Spanish as some Latin Americans Tagalog.
No aze falta, ya tenemos el ingglés. :tongue3:

Oh I see, I just stepped in the thread and saw a huge commotion. Which appeared to be in the direction of the so called "Off White Dilemma" by some parties.
What do you mean with "Off White Dilemma"?

Mexico’s population is composed of many ethnic groups, including indigenous American Indians (Amerindians), who account for more than one-sixth of the total, and Mexicans of European heritage (“whites”), who are nearly as numerous. Generally speaking, the mixture of indigenous and European peoples has produced the largest segment of the population today—mestizos, who account for nearly two-thirds of the total
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/379167/Mexico

btw i am mexican so i know these stats are closer to the truth than what was being said earlier....

and back on the topic ......yes i do think many mexicans and filipinos look alike

The topic in this thread is not actually about how many Spanish that are white or darked skinned. It's the fact that there are mexicans who looks very similar to some mexicans who are dark skinned as well.

I don't know why Xolang is so engrossed with how many Spaniards from Spain who looks dark which from how he described things has rounded and shorter noses that appears to look like Indonesians and that indonesians have sizeable and dominating number of caucasian-spanish looking than having an average dark skinned with curly black hair. He won't accept the fact that the dominating race in Indonesia just like the Philippines is not caucasian but asian looking brown race. I feel that Xolang has this big fascination on caucasians in Indonesia and he pay attention to it carefullly that when once he sees all the dark skinned Spaniards he obssessed on it and compare it to his native Indonesia. This is how the color of one's skin became the main topic of the thread instead of what I have said above in the first paragraph of my post.

What do you mean with "Off White Dilemma"?

It's a term that is known colloquially, in particular Anthropology related forums. It's intended to people who around the Olive to Brown skinned given the respective region, south Europeans, North Africans, South Asians, Middle Easterners, Balkans, Caucasus, Latin Americans, and even eastern and south eastern Asiatics, who wishes not to relate to the people in their habitat or environment and wishes to pass or look forms of European depending on which scenario, in some cases, wishing to pass as Southern European, and in other cases to those who wish to pass as Northern European. Because in their belief it is socially acceptable in public eye, a form of prestige and these very same types slander their own people and people who are peripheral of their own nation.

For instance, some scenarios -

There is a Mexican guy, saying his entire nation could pass as Italians and French, while playing down the character attributes of the majority of his population.

There is an Iranian or Arab guy, saying his population is related in every way to Germans and Swedes and Italians than it is to nearby nations and people, while playing down their numerous attributes.

There is a Filipino guy, saying his entire nation is descendant of the Spanish, and they can pass as Iberians on a daily basis while ignoring or playing down the attributes of the majority of his population.

There is an Italian guy, saying his population look closer to Swedes, Danes and Finns that it does to other southern European populations and their attributes..

List goes on and on. :lol:

^^^^ I don't know but I think somehow, those who are obsessed about wanting to become white ,use spanish ancestry as an escape goat to pass as one, the next best thing or the closest thing into being white. Alot of times, it seems like, that they are dark skinned who didn't like the the fact that the color of their skin is brown or dark, they are becoming so blinded by it that they think they see their skin as white instead. I can understand why, being white sometimes is a priveledge... and if you're brown, you're a shade closer to being white.

It's a term that is known colloquially, in particular Anthropology related forums. It's intended to people who around the Olive to Brown skinned given the respective region, south Europeans, North Africans, South Asians, Middle Easterners, Balkans, Caucasus, Latin Americans, and even eastern and south eastern Asiatics, who wishes not to relate to the people in their habitat or environment and wishes to pass or look forms of European depending on which scenario, in some cases, wishing to pass as Southern European, and in other cases to those who wish to pass as Northern European. Because in their belief it is socially acceptable in public eye, a form of prestige and these very same types slander their own people and people who are peripheral of their own nation.

For instance, some scenarios -

There is a Mexican guy, saying his entire nation could pass as Italians and French, while playing down the character attributes of the majority of his population.

There is an Iranian or Arab guy, saying his population is related in every way to Germans and Swedes and Italians than it is to nearby nations and people, while playing down their numerous attributes.

There is a Filipino guy, saying his entire nation is descendant of the Spanish, and they can pass as Iberians on a daily basis while ignoring or playing down the attributes of the majority of his population.

There is an Italian guy, saying his population look closer to Swedes, Danes and Finns that it does to other southern European populations and their attributes..

List goes on and on. :lol:
I see. Thanks!

Pre-Hispanic MesoAmerican civilization is highly praised for their engineering by historians, structural engineers and archeologist. There was no primary stock animal to pull the wheel, it's was that simple. Not everywhere in the world had similar ecology or domesticated animals which plays a major role. BTW, the Aztecs were not the only faction in the area, but there were Maya, Toltec, Zapotec, Mixtec, ect. Even factions and cultures from the BCE era such as the Olmecs who date to the Early Preclassic who built structures and formed art as well, being unearth now by archeologist.

The Andes also has a long history such as the Chavin and Norte Chico civilizations who are also date to the Early Preclassic era. I would recommend anyone to be careful with biased views just to prove a centrist point, it's rather layman as well.

yeah i know that man, im just fighting him off u know but i guess he is gone now probably banned. :lol::cheers:

i have a feeling that elguero is xolang's alt :lol: :lol: as they say trolling is an artform. :nuts:

I'm not a fan of the Fil-ams in the states who try and act gangster too. It's so annoying and unfitting T_T

:lol: Mga trying hard na maging gangster. :lol: Dito rin naman e yung mga jolog hiphop kids na nag ra-rambulan sa kalsada.

:lol: Mga trying hard na maging gangster. :lol: Dito rin naman e yung mga jolog hiphop kids na nag ra-rambulan sa kalsada.

bakit, wala na ba silang karapatan maging gangster? kahit pango sila?:D:D:Dtoink:lol:

bakit, wala na ba silang karapatan maging gangster? kahit pango sila?:D:D:Dtoink:lol:

Wala. :lol:

Sana gumawa ng sariling identity instead of trying to copy yung mga negro na "gangsta". :lol:

what happened to the mexican who looks like filipino thread? :lol:

Oh no.
Never I am offended because I am not Pango either. When I was young my classmates and friends always called me as "tisoy"

Parang bad taste lang na pag-usapan, parang dina-down natin ang ibang kababayan na Pinoy dahil hindi maganda ang ilong nila.

yep, i agree, at parang sinabi mo na rin na porket tisoy o tisay ka, o di ka pango, di ka na filipino, di ba?

yep, i agree, at parang sinabi mo na rin na porket tisoy o tisay ka, o di ka pango, di ka na filipino, di ba?

it's all wrong. mali ang akala mo.

to me Filipinos can be pango or not pango, can be native like the aetas, igorots, or tisoy, chinoy, kastilaloy, japayuki, any mixed, brown skin, light skin, white skin or onion skin as long as they were Filipino citizens and / or descendants of Filipinos. They can be catholic, mormons, born-again, muslim,
INK, etc.

It's about time somebody realized this and started to get out of that distant Spanish mindset ... We're barely Spanish at all. You don't see people from Macau bragging that they were conquered by Portuguese or Hong Kong bragging about England or Vietnam bragging about France. We're just Filipino.

I'm not a fan of the Fil-ams in the states who try and act gangster too. It's so annoying and unfitting T_T

I disagree with this mindset too. Filipinos: mestizos, native, lumad, mixed-race or whatever, we should embrace each other as ONE. So if it's true that we have to throw away this link that we have with Spain, then are we also supposed to deport the Ayalas, Elizaldes, Aboitizes and the rest of the 3.6% of our population who are mestizo to Spain? They are FILIPINOS too. We are a melting pot, it's about time THAT is embraced.

what happened to the mexican who looks like filipino thread? :lol:

That thread will never see the light of day again. ;)

Akmang akma sa episode ng Eat Bulaga kahapon(ika-17 ng Oktubre), at nandun pa si Michael V. at ipinakikita nya na siya ay isang Prince Aztec.
Kulang na nga lang na maging isang red skinned "Egoy" ang ipakita.

Ituloy na lang sana ang thread ay gawin o baguhin na lang ang title na "Mehicano at Egoy : Magkasundo"


:lol: Mga trying hard na maging gangster. :lol: Dito rin naman e yung mga jolog hiphop kids na nag ra-rambulan sa kalsada.

bakit, wala na ba silang karapatan maging gangster? kahit pango sila?:D:D:Dtoink:lol:

Wala. :lol:

Sana gumawa ng sariling identity instead of trying to copy yung mga negro na "gangsta". :lol:

what happened to the mexican who looks like filipino thread? :lol:

That thread will never see the light of day again. ;)

Good riddance!





:horse:
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It's something unpredictable, but in the end it's right.

That thread will never see the light of day again. ;)

That is the goal and mission of El Guero a Filipino masquerading as Mexicans,
to close that mentioned Thread.

He won after all. Sayang din........

That is the goal and mission of El Guero a Filipino masquerading as Mexicans,
to close that mentioned Thread.

He won after all. Sayang din........

That thread will never see the light of day again. ;)

That thread kind of stupid and that the topics there are almost similar here in this one. I don't see the point for that other thread except feeding one's delusional ideas and fantasies, for most part.. some do fall in the more sensible and informative side.

He won after all. Sayang din........

Nobody won. It was all just an exercise in futility. It wasn't even a competition to begin with. :ohno:


The same fate will befall this thread once it has reached its capacity.

As in completely closed down? but but but but.... he he he

^^ #919, we still have 81 posts before this closes. :lol:

All discussions on that Pinoy looking guapito thread was fine until both sides keep badmouthing each other as if those words can kill. :laugh:
I'm glad I found out those Pinoys who can not handle an argument and would just resort to name-calling... Buwahahahaha!!! :rofl:

Lalo na dun sa Halalan thread.. :ohno:

^^ #919, we still have 81 posts before this closes. :lol:

All discussions on that Pinoy looking guapito thread was fine until both sides keep badmouthing each other as if those words can kill. :laugh:
I'm glad I found out those Pinoys who can not handle an argument and would just resort to name-calling... Buwahahahaha!!! :rofl:

Lalo na dun sa Halalan thread.. :ohno:

sige, tatawagin kitang:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:, naku nagungulit na namn itong si smiley, hindi pa nga kita natawag na:lol::lol::lol::lol:, ito parang kinikiliti:D

^^ hehehe...

Alam niyo ba ang kabutihan ng being a Pinoy? Mahirap ka ma identify sa police lineup ng biktima. :lol:

Police : is he Chinese? American? Latino?

Victim : no, he's like... errr... he's like..... oohhhh! never mind, he's so handsome and ...gooOODDDD!!!

Wala. :lol:

Sana gumawa ng sariling identity instead of trying to copy yung mga negro na "gangsta". :lol:

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/713/125577160073.jpg
yan ang buhay ng gangsta..... :lol:

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2900/125351524096.jpg
:nuts:

magpost na lang kaya akong ng picture ko na mukhang bumbay, insik, pinoy at latino. Sabi sa inyo depende sa exposure sa kodakan at angulo ng pagkodakan. Minsan pag cheapipay ang cam cheapipay din ang labas, pag mahal ang cam, na-enhance ang hitsura ng karakas mo, lintek!!!!! he he

^^ hehehe...

Alam niyo ba ang kabutihan ng being a Pinoy? Mahirap ka ma identify sa police lineup ng biktima. :lol:

Police : is he Chinese? American? Latino?

Victim : no, he's like... errr... he's like..... oohhhh! never mind, he's so handsome and ...gooOODDDD!!!

ako nga sa trabaho bininyagan na ako na Ali Akbar ang pangalan, tapos, pag tinawagan ako sa extension, hindi nagsasalita agad, laging 'A-lalalalala lala lalalalah lah" pagtinagal ko ang goatee ko, tinatawag na hinsik o mexicano, lagi ako inaasar ng mga tukmol na puti na yan he he

^^ They are just measuring your patience or how good of a sport you are. Ganoon din sa amin, Sa MS., tawag sa akin, "Yellow Monkey", kasi lahat kami meron binyag na pangalan. Pero pormal pag nasa labas kami. Yung isa, tuwang tuwa pa pag tinatawag siyang "Butthead" .... :lol:
But after these anti-discriminations ek eks na yan na pinakalat, nagbago na, lahat naging "Dude", pati babae, "Dooode" na rin. :laugh:

Yeah, I know i'm cool with it cuz I hold my own and I always have a good come back on them. I've got one I always call a white potato sack, or sometimes I'd say that's not what your wife told me last night LMAO

You can't avoid these with an all male work environment. You'd be dumb if you get affected by it.

:lol: i would not have known what happened had i not checked it on the thread archives..

that troll just came out of the blue just to mess up everything in that thread. before he came along there was a smooth flow of discussion but that guy ruined everything. :lol:

anyway, i think that el guero is DonMiguel in youtube. That DonMiguel has been a troll in youtube for many years now pretending to be a mexican destroying any harmonious discussion there is bet. mexicans and filipinos in any filipino-mexican related videos. That's his mission in life! :lol:

kainis yung mga tao--i dont know exactly kung tao ba talaga yung mga yun--na na-meet ko a few days ago...a pinay lady and a pinoy guy, who always refer to themselves as filipino-spanish and filipino-chinese each time they introduce themselves...

one more reason why i avoid filipinos here...kahit dito, nandun pa rin ang mentality na if you're half-pinoy, half-something, you think (and everybody should think) you're special

^^^^ Tapos kung sino pa yuong mga pinaka pangit yuon pa ang nagsasabi na half half sila :lol: :lol: Pero hindi naman lahat at ganoong kadami ang nagsasabi niyan.

Typical sa pinoy yata ang magavoid sa isa't isa kasi, maraming pinoy ang paranoid at judgemental, makikitid ang isip pero malimit imagination lang nila ang nasa isip nila dahil sa kitid ng isip nila, Malamang kung ina-avoid mo sila, sila din inaavoid ka nila kaya parehas lang kayo. It just goes to show how insecure and unhappy filipinos are when it comes to their heritage. So far, the ones I've met that claimed they are filipino Chinese are definitely filipino chinese because I hear them speak chinese specially to their elders and other chinese people but they would speak tagalog to a filipino (or bisaya to other bisaya because one pinoy chinese I know was from Iligan and Cebu, not my wife) and you can pretty much tell by their features that they are chinese who happens to be born in the Philippines. Now, those who claimed they are spanish filipinos which are few so far that I've met, they don't look like one nor they speak spanish, they just happen to have spanish last names.

How did they get the spanish last name in the first place?

^^^^ Spaniards who colonized the Philippines for 300 years converted the native inhabitants of the Philippines into catholic christians and gave them a catholic christian names that are spanish. There are some however who are direct descendants of spaniards and their offsprings are called spanish mestisos, it has been since then that when you are of a spanish lineage, you are considered to belong to higher a class of society which is why there are some filipinos even during the spanish period who would appear to be spanish by dressing up and talking like one.

How did they get the spanish last name in the first place?

On November 21, 1849 Governor General Narciso Clavería ordered a systematic distribution of family names for the natives to use. The Catalogo Alfabetico de Apellidos was produced and approved names were assigned to families in all towns. Name distribution was so systematic that civil servants assigned family names in alphabetical order causing some small towns with only a few families to end up with all names starting with the same letter. (This interesting situation remained until fairly recent times when people became more mobile and started seeking mates from other towns).

Thanks guys! now I understand. :)

How did they get the spanish last name in the first place?

just to add up. Some Filipinos have Spanish surnames even without any spanish lineage just like me. Im 100% filipino but I have a spanish surname. :D

kainis yung mga tao--i dont know exactly kung tao ba talaga yung mga yun--na na-meet ko a few days ago...a pinay lady and a pinoy guy, who always refer to themselves as filipino-spanish and filipino-chinese each time they introduce themselves...

one more reason why i avoid filipinos here...kahit dito, nandun pa rin ang mentality na if you're half-pinoy, half-something, you think (and everybody should think) you're special

right. when I was in the US most filipinos whom I met always say that they're half etc...they say they're part chinese-spanish-etc. :nuts:

just to add up. Some Filipinos have Spanish surnames even without any spanish lineage just like me. Im 100% filipino but I have a spanish surname. :D

Yeah same here, I don't think we have spanish blood in us but our last name is also spanish, the funny part is half of us looks almost like from India but that's probably coincidental LMAO.

I do have some cousins who are half chinese because my father's dad who is my grandfather ofcourse married a pure chinese from mainland China, this is ofcourse after he left my filipina grandma.

@mwg: good observation~ but don't forget, we've got a bit of a generation-gap, so i've got other reasons to avoid other filipinos that are my age, and that would be because i see many of them have transformed into the infamous 'brown americans', while some of them act as if they are black...

well anyway, para hindi OT, i do have one filipino friend here--ay, 1/2 lang pala, coz she's not purely a filipino--and what i admire the most about her, is that whenever she introduces herself, she does not hesitate to say "i am filipino (period)" despite the fact that she has every right to brag about her irish heritage--oh yeah, she's hot :)

perhaps we pinoys need a paradigm shift from our colonial mentality. IMO, this admiration for anyone who is a 'half-breed' (pardon the use of the word) is not good for Filipino-nationalism...it's funny, coz what i noticed about my other asian friends, is that in their cultures, people who are of mixed-descent tend to be looked down and discriminated against...now, i'm not saying that we should follow suit, but i think it's something that we can ponder on...

^^^^ There isn't really much difference when it comes to different age groups, what makes it different are those who mostly came at a later age, which is mostly over 17 years old as opposed to those who actually grew up as a kid or are naturally born north american citizens. Alot of the worse ones are those who married an american or canadians who started pretending to not speak the language inspite of their heavy pinoy accents, they are the ones who would deny at first their background to other pinoys. But you're right about those in younger groups when it comes to acting like a little brown american or ghetto type black "wanna be"pinoys. I don't really look my age most especially in person this is why i would run into them alot. (well, maybe I won't look as younger anymore since I am always sporting goatee again)

My coworker is half pinoy who looks native american, he actually carries tagalog dictionary and he tries to study the language, you would think he would not have interest since he has only been in the Philippines 3 times...

But certainly don't close your door and pass judgements right away because somehow right in a huge wave of pinoy xxxxxxx there are those who aren't afraid of their own skin color or heritage. They usually come to you out of the blue so you don't have to go around and find them. But certainly, one thing I've really noticed among all filipinos overseas, it's like filipinos are "allergic" (pinoy way of saying) to their fellow pinoys, the key is be humble and don't judge because these is where most pinoy failed to do.

right. when I was in the US most filipinos whom I met always say that they're half etc...they say they're part chinese-spanish-etc. :nuts:

I think that stems from the notion of what defines a Filipino, is it a "nationality" or an "ethnicity?" That's where most the confusion (or denial) comes from, because when you define it as a nationality, then anyone born in the Philippines, regardless of ethnic background (foreign or indigenous) is a Filipino. The harder part is defining it as an ethnicity because we all are a product of a myriad of ethnic backgrounds, most notably of course for the Spanish, Chinese, American, and Malay cultures. Hence, which leads to the categorization of one's self as either part this/part that, or half this/half that.

^^^^ That is topic is a bit tricky actually, it's debatable and can go much deeper than just those. I know for sure that the filipino chinese do pride themselves when it comes to their heritage so there are definitely alot of chinese filipinos who truely have chinese blood in them. Now, when it comes to the spanish heritage or blood, that's where it is a bit questionable, somehow it all boils down on a notion that you are financially well off if you are part chinese and part spanish, but alot of times believe it or not it's a way to boost ones ego or uplift their selfesteem, especially when other people would think youre good looking because you are not a full blooded filipino. Observe how pinoys usually all smile ear to ear when they hear somebody else call on them that they look latino, chinese, korean etc etc etc while to most other races, they usually hide it because they don't want to be identified as a ... umm, please excuse my french but... a mutt... it's like our source of pride is a source of resentment with other races. But again, not all filipinos are that way ofcourse.

I do meet lots of filipinos due to my job here in Canada, I can tell some of them are filipinos because they look like filipinos, but some of them, I would have thought they are Chinese if I didn't see their spanish last name.

I do meet lots of filipinos due to my job here in Canada, I can tell some of them are filipinos because they look like filipinos, but some of them, I would have thought they are Chinese if I didn't see their spanish last name.

There's a common adage that goes like this; "Filipinos have Asian facial features, Spanish last names and temperament, and speaks American slang."

This is just a general comment regarding Filipino "ethnicity". It's a bit confusing really. I'm glad people are pointing it out as a nationality, not an ethnicity. Yes, many Filipinos have Spanish surnames due to the Claveria edict. There is a list of Spanish surnames to be used. And there were also Chinese immigrants who adopted Spanish names of their friends, neighbours, padrinos etc. But there are also truly original Spanish surnames, many of them Basque.

Chances are any Filipino may have a combination of races in their dna. According to a summary of a study I read regarding Filipino Austronesian roots, a normal Filipino may have 60% Austronesian, then maybe 20% Chinese or other Asian, some negrito and the rest Western (Spanish, European). The composition may vary since some are more truly "Malay", others more Chinese, others may have more Western. We're not a pure race. The Aetas came first, many were assimilated by the Austronesians (the early Filipinos), then the Chinese traders who had settled in some parts of Luzon, then the Spanish etc... In one article I read, in the early 1800's a Spanish census claims as much 80% of Filipinos had some Spanish in them.

The early conquistadores were prolific breeders. Legazpi and de Goiti had married into the Filipino nobilities. So did all those sex starved sailors who turn out to be mostly Basque or Galician. (e.g. Esguerra, Echevarria, are basque names among many.) The friars or curas were not far behind in the cross breeding business (no condoms then). Imelda Marcos' family tree includes a wayward friar. And there were also, the Spanish conversos (Sephardic Jews escaping the inquisition.) My last name is apparently Sephardic, and I've come across other Filipinos who traced their last names to Sephardic Jews. Interestingly enough, Chinese immigrants in the late 1890's adopted the last name of my ancestors, so now there are Chinese versions of my last name.

In my childhood, some of my schoolfriends (then in the Philippines) thought my father was a foreigner because we didn't quite fit the mold to them. It turns out, my Dad had Spanish-Jewish, Ilonggo and my mom had Pampango, Ilokano, Spanish and Chinese. I think many "Filipinos" are trying to use "race" to define themselves. Which I think can be "racist" in itself. Being Filipino does not mean one has to look in a certain way, behave in a certain way, talk in the same way or even eat the same way. We're not a homogeneous nation, the term "Filipino" didn't even exist until the late 1880's. It's how you feel, you think, you act, that certain je ne sais quoi.

^^^^ It also has something to do with the mind set of alot of filipinos, the colonial mentality which half of it are very shallow.

I'm sure there are filipinos whose blood line can be traced to a different racial background because of, like what you have mentioned, intermarriages and to be harsh about it, excuse my french again, crossbreeding, which is pretty much a norm in human behavior to get attracted in a certain quality of a person including ethnicity.

While you have a very interesting assumptions of facts, I don't think there is a concrete evidence of a filipino ethnicity so you would have to base it from the dominant feature of the majority so the issue of having pure race is irrelevant much more insignificant because otherwise, China and Japan could of claimed they have a very pure race. It would still boils down to the fact that the majorities blood lineage would represent what is typical and usual feature of the inhabitants of a nation or country.

Tracing our family tree especially in the Philippines would really very difficult to trace deeper down from the pre-colonial period because of the adoption of last names of the natives to several different Spanish last names.

I guess it is crazy world because it hard to interpret as to why things are the way they are. For instance, just like yourself, my Grandfather looks exactly like the ex president Garcia of the Philippines who seems to look like spanish mestiso but they are not related what-so-ever. My father is also a spitting image of his father which obviously is my grandfather and after marrying my mother the offspring which is yours truely made me look like from the middleast or India, together with my sibblings not accounting my half brother looks a bit different from most of out cousins who either looks malay or Chinese when they all don't have chinese blood.

seryosong tanong lang:D


paano ko malalaman ang racial ethnicity kung guapo lang ako:D

seyosong sagot dapat:D

kainis yung mga tao--i dont know exactly kung tao ba talaga yung mga yun--na na-meet ko a few days ago...a pinay lady and a pinoy guy, who always refer to themselves as filipino-spanish and filipino-chinese each time they introduce themselves...

one more reason why i avoid filipinos here...kahit dito, nandun pa rin ang mentality na if you're half-pinoy, half-something, you think (and everybody should think) you're special

Matanda na ba yung mga yan? Remnant of 80s mentality maybe when we were ashamed to be Pinoy, anyway, mga olats yung mga yan, iba na panahon ngayon, basta pinoy, pinoy may halo ka man or puti ka, kung may pa half half ka pa ibig sabihin niyon luma ka mag isip.

^^^^ Kaso ang nagsasabi ng mga half half sila yuong mga mukhang wit wit kahit mga bata pa :lol: Pero yuong mga mas bata ngayon , parang misinformed akala nila direct descendants lahat ng pinoy ng kastila, hindi dahil lang sa pagpalit ng pangalan ng mga natibong pinoy nuong panahon ng mga kastila.

seryosong tanong lang:D


paano ko malalaman ang racial ethnicity kung guapo lang ako:D

seyosong sagot dapat:D

E di, lahing guapo. Ano pa!! he he

^^^^ Kaso ang nagsasabi ng mga half half sila yuong mga mukhang wit wit kahit mga bata pa :lol: Pero yuong mga mas bata ngayon , parang misinformed akala nila direct descendants lahat ng pinoy ng kastila, hindi dahil lang sa pagpalit ng pangalan ng mga natibong pinoy nuong panahon ng mga kastila.



E di, lahing guapo. Ano pa!! he he

Baka half german yung mga yon... half german shepard.

My opinion; claiming to be "half this/half that" when it isn't factual in anyway is a greater evil than to say you're "part this/part that," which implies you do have foreign lineage. ;)



:lol:

I would just let them be, If they want to declare they are half this, half that or part this and that... all I just need to worry about are my good looks. :lol:


niyahahaha! wakanga, wala ng hihirit! :nuts:

I would just let them be, If they want to declare they are half this, half that or part this and that... all I just need to worry about are my good looks. :lol:


niyahahaha! wakanga, wala ng hihirit! :nuts:



yey!

lahing guapo race

lahing guapo:D

I would just let them be, If they want to declare they are half this, half that or part this and that... all I just need to worry about are my good looks. :lol:


niyahahaha! wakanga, wala ng hihirit! :nuts:

para yan half and half coffee creamer sa Starbucks, alanganin gatas alanganin coffee creamer. Basta ako half black below the waist LMAOOOOOOOOOO:lol::lol::lol: para na ang babae na pinainom ng kantaritas pagdaan sa akin....:nuts::lol::lol:

yey!

lahing guapo race

lahing guapo:D

Metro Gwapo? :lol:

yey!

lahing guapo race

lahing guapo:D

para yan half and half coffee creamer sa Starbucks, alanganin gatas alanganin coffee creamer. Basta ako half black below the waist LMAOOOOOOOOOO:lol::lol::lol: para na ang babae na pinainom ng kantaritas pagdaan sa akin....:nuts::lol::lol:

Tutoo naman talaga... mahirap i-maintain ang aking good looks nuon sa USTe...:D

but there is a good thing, I was able to get some Pinoys and Filipino-Chinese classmates closer to each other. Dati nag iis-nuban sila sila, kasi, minsan grupo ko puro Pinoy then minsan kasama ko sa canteen mga intsik, tapos susunduin ako ng gf ko na mestizang kastila from St. Paul ... o diba ang gulo na masaya? :lol:

wow, mestisang kastilaloy pala ang gf mo nuon ha! Nai-date ko yuong isang pamangkin ni Benigna Ninay Rustia nuon na tisay din, ewan ko kung kastila kase hindi naman namin napaguusapan. Ewan ko kung kilala pa ninyo si Ninay Rustia, Dating miss Maja Philippines or Miss Philippines. Kaya siya naging "Ninay" si Ninoy Aquino ang nag crown sa kanya or something, either that or ninoy threw the question on her during the pageant.. "daw"... ( or I think she was a runners up only but she was an asian top model in the late 60s I believe..)

Nuong nagaaral ako sa pinas, parang wala naman barrier ang mga chinese at pinoy na classmates ko, lahat magkabarkada, medyo mas distinct pa yuong mga "scion of the wealthy families" mag group, pero magkakasund ang lahat.

wow, mestisang kastilaloy pala ang gf mo nuon ha! Nai-date ko yuong isang pamangkin ni Benigna Ninay Rustia nuon na tisay din, ewan ko kung kastila kase hindi naman namin napaguusapan. Ewan ko kung kilala pa ninyo si Ninay Rustia, Dating miss Maja Philippines or Miss Philippines. Kaya siya naging "Ninay" si Ninoy Aquino ang nag crown sa kanya.. "daw"...

Nuong nagaaral ako sa pinas, parang wala naman barrier ang mga chinese at pinoy na classmates ko, lahat magkabarkada, medyo mas distinct pa yuong mga "scion of the wealthy families" mag group, pero magkakasund ang lahat.

There was some barriers in the 70's... yung biyenan ko, galit sa akin, dahil hilaw daw ako... :lol:
Pero lately, konti na lang, punta ka sa PEX, marami pang galit sa mga intsik although they shop at SM or eat at Jollibee. :D

Marami akong naging GF, malaman ko lang pangalan nila, GF ko na sila eh.... :bash:

^^^^ :rofl: maniakitos ka pala. Ako kaunti lang...:rofl:

Actually, ang lolo ko na sinasabi kong kamukha ni President Garcia, nag asawa ulit, nakuha niya ang purong chinese na pangalawang napangasawa niya. Mayruon ngang barrier nuon kase "disowned" ang step-lola ko LMAO ayon, 7 ang siblings ng tatay ko, tapos mga half chinese na kapatid nila 7 din, naging 14 tuloy silang lahat...LMAO Ma_L ang lolo ko, sumalangit po ang kaluluwa niya.. he he

first time here. hehe

nung nasa States ako wala akong naexperience na nag sabi na Filipino ako except for kababayans. people always think im thai, indonesian, cambodian. Some say im half latino half asian. Even if I insist that im full blooded filipino still no one believes me and they always say "really". siguro they have a grudge among filipinos kaya ayaw nila ako maging filipino kasi mabait daw ako. :lol: muka ba akong kaloko-loko?

eto pa mas weird. there was this middle eastern na classmate ko dati sa review class. she always talk something about japanese stuff pero clueless naman ako sa mga sinasabi niya. yun pala akala niya im japanese yung dark-skinned type na japanese daw. :lol:

and for some latinos naman they always call me chino. they say na as long as you're asian, as long as ur from asia, I will call you chino. :lol: just like us calling them mexicans even if they're not. I find it weird people calling me chino even if im not chinito. :lol:

being mistaken as a indonesian is a little okay coz we look like them but it's just very sad on my part that I wasn't recognized as a Filipino which im very proud of.

^^ The average American doesn't even know that there's a country named "The Philippines." Yeah, go figure, right? ;) I've experienced the same thing, I've been called every Asian/Pacific Islander/Latino nationality there is, but they never got it right, that I'm a Filipino. And the pet peeve that irks me the most, is that when they already know I'm Filipino, they still ask "Are you Philippine?" Or, "Do you speak Philippine?" Arrrrrrgggghhh! Bugs the hell out of me every time! :rant:

^^ When I was in Hawaii, we went to a Pinoy restaurant, the waiter already heard us talking in Tagalog while he was taking orders from the other table and then he went to our side and asked us, "Are you Filipinos?"

My friend said (pabulong) : "No we are from Ongpin"

Waiter : "Akala ko kasi mga Vietnamese kayo eh"


Us, all together : "Du Ma" :lol:

^^ Which further proves that being Filipino is a "state-of-mind" (to which I firmly believe) and not based on what you look like or how far back your ethnic heritage comes from. ;)

^^I think so too and the younger generations can be what they want to be, I really don't care now if they want to emulate other nationalities or way(style) of living, it is up to them.

And on that story in Hawaii, another funny thing was, those 2 Pinoys with me really look Vietnamese, even the nickname of the shorter dude is Vietcong. :lol:

^^ The average American doesn't even know that there's a country named "The Philippines." Yeah, go figure, right? ;) I've experienced the same thing, I've been called every Asian/Pacific Islander/Latino nationality there is, but they never got it right, that I'm a Filipino. And the pet peeve that irks me the most, is that when they already know I'm Filipino, they still ask "Are you Philippine?" Or, "Do you speak Philippine?" Arrrrrrgggghhh! Bugs the hell out of me every time! :rant:

I can safely say you look a bit more like a pacific islander, I don't know, probably because you're a big boy which is typical of pacific islander, there are many from those who are from Fiji, Samoa, Mariannas Island and a little of Saipan that i swear, I would have never guessed thought they are from those islands. I wouldn't count Saipan though because there are alot of pinoys that actually live and work there just like hawaii and Guam.


^^ Which further proves that being Filipino is a "state-of-mind" (to which I firmly believe) and not based on what you look like or how far back your ethnic heritage comes from. ;)

At this point, since most pinoys are confused, it would be the case... LMAO kidding

We can't really truely say it's a state of mind because pinoys keep on talking about it, they are the ones who loves saying I am half this and half that, instead of simply saying pinoy, period! There are so many varieties of ethnical background around the US but alot of times when someone is asked where he or she from, especially if they are born and bred in America, they just say "I'm an American" They didn't feel the need to expound or especifically volunteer the details of their ethnic backgrounds unless they are flat out asked, where as if it is a pinoy especially the non citizen yet it comes out automatically, i'm half this and half that...Never that you hear, yes, I'm a filipino Ka Bammmm!! Stop from there..LMAO So far those ones who would just say or accepted they are infact filipino when someone asked them are the ones that were born and raised in the US.

^^ told yah', just take care of your good looks and you'll be set... :lol:

Kami ni amigo32, we are "Beautiful Pinoys" if anyone would ask.

"Beautiful" na lang ang term for equal opportunity. :rofl:

kano: are you a Filipino?
bitoy: no, I am from a race called Beautiful:D:lol::lol::lol:

1. white race
2. black race
3. yellow race
4. brown race

5. beautiful race:D

kano: are you a Filipino?
bitoy: no, I am from a race called Beautiful:D:lol::lol::lol:

1. white race
2. black race
3. yellow race
4. brown race

5. beautiful race:D

kay ganda ng sinabi mo, amigo!

Hende sa pagmamayabang pero nanay ko may lahing Kastila. yong tatay ko naman may lahing Intsik. Froblema nga lang, pinoy na pinoy ang lola nyo... aaaay!!! hehhehe... fero ok lang. maganda pa naman eh! :)

i just found out this is a non-academic term, with no real academic source. whatever source i came across were deleted. i just think it is a hoax. the "imscf or whatever syndrome" usually crops up when one has to fill up a form and check "ethnicity." i can't blame any Filipino for being confused. i generally put "Other" because "Filipino" is not really a race or ethnicity. chances are is that whoever thought of this is a "racist or racialist" who thinks every person can be categorized. Filipinos are one group of people who can't be categorized, like Mexicans, Latin Americans. besides, there's no such thing as a pure Filipino. even the Aetas in the Philippines have already been contaminated with the Austronesians, are less Melanesians than their Pacific cousins.

^^ The average American doesn't even know that there's a country named "The Philippines." Yeah, go figure, right? ;) I've experienced the same thing, I've been called every Asian/Pacific Islander/Latino nationality there is, but they never got it right, that I'm a Filipino. And the pet peeve that irks me the most, is that when they already know I'm Filipino, they still ask "Are you Philippine?" Or, "Do you speak Philippine?" Arrrrrrgggghhh! Bugs the hell out of me every time! :rant:

isnt that because they are miseducated? Lots of them cant even find the US in the map :lol:

^^^^ OR, most are just carefree, they don't give a shit about anything else.... Some, that is....

^^ Like the proverbial "You all look the same" line they always use, which lumps everyone into one category. ;)

^^ Like the proverbial "You all look the same" line they always use, which lumps everyone into one category. ;)

and they wonder why they got 9/11

Well come to think of it, whenever i see a certain ethnic group i am not accustomed to see around all the time, when I finally see them all at one, they seems to all look alike to me.. even with european, somehow, once you developed the keen eyes for it, you would be able to tell europeans apart from another or even north americans, for instance, majority of the brits have this certain feature I can pinpoint if you mix them around a group of Dutch, German or Swedes.. same as to mos americans who has not seen very many asians or filipinos around them, all asians started to look the same in their eyes...

when I was in Gensan a few days ago, a drunken woman I met in a birthday party in Barangay Tambler was insisting that I should speak Chinese. She thinks I am a Chinoy and she cannot believe that I am a pure Pinoy.

She don't believe either that I have Filipino, German, and Chinese blood in my father side and Filipino, Spanish, and Chinese blood in my mother side.

So, I just told her that I am a mixed Bilaan and Baluga in my father side, and mixed Badjaos and Igorot in my mother side.

@mwg12a: :shocked: What!? You can't tell an American apart from a Canadian? It's easy, one speaks American while the other speaks Canadian. :lol:









Corny pills! :bash:

and they wonder why they got 9/11

:lol:

^^ I accepted the fact that in the next generations to come.... we all going to look like each other..., wala ng lahing puti, itim, pula, dilaw, chokolate... maging kulay grey lahat. :lol:

Well come to think of it, whenever i see a certain ethnic group i am not accustomed to see around all the time, when I finally see them all at one, they seems to all look alike to me.. even with european, somehow, once you developed the keen eyes for it, you would be able to tell europeans apart from another or even north americans, for instance, majority of the brits have this certain feature I can pinpoint if you mix them around a group of Dutch, German or Swedes.....

The teeth probably.............:lol:

@mwg12a: :shocked: What!? You can't tell an American apart from a Canadian? It's easy, one speaks American while the other speaks Canadian. :lol:

Corny pills! :bash:

ahh yeah really.... it's getting abit too late for you now partner, time to chill at your own little ol corner and talk to the criters, that is if they feel like talking to you as well or else, talk to the hand LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

The teeth probably.............:lol:

what? tits??? Oh, that's a tough one especially when it's paid for...LMAO

I remember this cover of Time magazine a few years back. It's a computer generated photo of a person if all races were mixed in one individual.

http://thesituationist.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/time-magazine-cover-of-computer-generated-multiracial-person.jpg

Our Philippine identity (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=534823&publicationSubCategoryId=64)
ROSES & THORNS By Alejandro R. Roces (The Philippine Star) Updated December 22, 2009 12:00 AM

The past is the present, isn’t it? It’s the future, too. We all tried to lie out of that but life won’t let us.” — Eugene O’Neill

Filipinos are undergoing an identity crisis. Every cultural trait is being subjected to the question: “Is it Filipino?” We are still looking for an answer. The answer to “What is Filipino?” lies in the prejudicial question, “What is culture?” It is culture that makes a Filipino a Filipino and not a Malaysian or Indonesian.

Culture has been defined as “that complex whole which includes knowledge, belief, art, morals, custom and any other capabilities and habits acquired by man as a member of society.” To be human is to belong to a culture. Four elements present in all cultures are: technology, institutions, language and arts. These can change in only two ways: by invention or by borrowing. Things invented are part of the indigenous culture of the society which brought them forth; things adopted, or adapted, became part of our indigenous cultures; Spanish and English, part of our national culture.

The “real Filipino” had been defined as a “decolonized Filipino.” We take exception to this on two grounds. First, it totally disregards the positive aspects of colonialism. It is true that the Spaniards failed to integrate themselves with the natives. As a matter of fact, they couldn’t even identify with the Philippine-born Spaniards or with the Spanish mestizos. But Spain had more advanced techniques and a much higher degree of civilization than this archipelago. In the process of colonization, they did diffuse their culture and created a new synthesis and a new unity that was richer and more varied than what existed in the islands before.

Second, to decolonize means to bring to a pre-colonial status. To reduce nationalism to colonialism spelled backwards is to emulate the Mediterranean sailors who guarded themselves against the fatal sirenical songs by singing them in reverse. To decolonize the national language would mean the purging of thousands of Spanish words that have been assimilated into Filipino and the abandonment of the Roman alphabet for the syllabic script. If there is anything more reactionary than going back to colonialism, it is going back to pre-colonialism. Prehistoric Philippines was not a Garden of Eden from which our forefathers were expelled because they ate of the tree of colonialism. In every stage of his formation, the Filipino was himself plus his circumstances. He lives in his culture as his culture lived in him. What is needed is redirection. The future is alterable, the past is not. The objective should not be a decolonized Filipino, but a supra-colonial Filipino.

Progress is not a natural law. The wheel was 46 centuries old when Spain introduced it in the Philippines. What one generation gains may be lost by the succeeding ones. Aside from the fact that culture is acquired, shared, transmitted and gratifying to human needs, culture gravitates towards integration. It was Spanish acculturation that homogenized Philippine society. After the initial resistance to Spanish conquest (the Spanish Army in 1590 was composed of 400 men) and the inertia that blocked urbanization had been overcome, the Filipinos were very receptive to Christian acculturation. Some people ridicule the mass baptisms during the initial period of Christianization, but France, England and other major Christian nations were converted in much the same way. There were uprisings against forced labor, feudalistic monopoly, friar abuses, but not against the technological, institutional, linguistic and artistic benefits of Christian civilization.

By the last decade of the 19th century, the descendants of the diverse barangays could already think of themselves as one people with a growing sense of unity and nationhood. They became the first Asians to declare their independence from colonial rule. The Revolution, indeed, signaled the birth of a nation. The placenta was Spain’s. With the American occupation, the mother got buried along with the afterbirth. The Tagalogs have a saying: “Ang hindi marunong lumingon sa pinanggalingan, ay hindi makararating sa paroroonan.” It is their folk way of saying that nations without a past have no future.

^^ Bravo! :D My thoughts exactly since the beginning of my postings in this forum. I have been debating the same sentiments whenever such topics emerges on this forum about Filipino identity. :)

There is nothing wrong if one claims to have heritage from a different race and culture if it is infact is true, but certainly, there is nothing wrong to claim and accept if one is pure filipino if he or she is proud about it. There is no right or wrong answer on that one.

Our Philippine identity (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=534823&publicationSubCategoryId=64)
ROSES & THORNS By Alejandro R. Roces (The Philippine Star) Updated December 22, 2009 12:00 AM

The past is the present, isn’t it? It’s the future, too. We all tried to lie out of that but life won’t let us.” — Eugene O’Neill

Filipinos are undergoing an identity crisis. Every cultural trait is being subjected to the question: “Is it Filipino?” We are still looking for an answer. The answer to “What is Filipino?” lies in the prejudicial question, “What is culture?” It is culture that makes a Filipino a Filipino and not a Malaysian or Indonesian.

Culture has been defined as “that complex whole which includes knowledge, belief, art, morals, custom and any other capabilities and habits acquired by man as a member of society.” To be human is to belong to a culture. Four elements present in all cultures are: technology, institutions, language and arts. These can change in only two ways: by invention or by borrowing. Things invented are part of the indigenous culture of the society which brought them forth; things adopted, or adapted, became part of our indigenous cultures; Spanish and English, part of our national culture.

The “real Filipino” had been defined as a “decolonized Filipino.” We take exception to this on two grounds. First, it totally disregards the positive aspects of colonialism. It is true that the Spaniards failed to integrate themselves with the natives. As a matter of fact, they couldn’t even identify with the Philippine-born Spaniards or with the Spanish mestizos. But Spain had more advanced techniques and a much higher degree of civilization than this archipelago. In the process of colonization, they did diffuse their culture and created a new synthesis and a new unity that was richer and more varied than what existed in the islands before.

Second, to decolonize means to bring to a pre-colonial status. To reduce nationalism to colonialism spelled backwards is to emulate the Mediterranean sailors who guarded themselves against the fatal sirenical songs by singing them in reverse. To decolonize the national language would mean the purging of thousands of Spanish words that have been assimilated into Filipino and the abandonment of the Roman alphabet for the syllabic script. If there is anything more reactionary than going back to colonialism, it is going back to pre-colonialism. Prehistoric Philippines was not a Garden of Eden from which our forefathers were expelled because they ate of the tree of colonialism. In every stage of his formation, the Filipino was himself plus his circumstances. He lives in his culture as his culture lived in him. What is needed is redirection. The future is alterable, the past is not. The objective should not be a decolonized Filipino, but a supra-colonial Filipino.

Progress is not a natural law. The wheel was 46 centuries old when Spain introduced it in the Philippines. What one generation gains may be lost by the succeeding ones. Aside from the fact that culture is acquired, shared, transmitted and gratifying to human needs, culture gravitates towards integration. It was Spanish acculturation that homogenized Philippine society. After the initial resistance to Spanish conquest (the Spanish Army in 1590 was composed of 400 men) and the inertia that blocked urbanization had been overcome, the Filipinos were very receptive to Christian acculturation. Some people ridicule the mass baptisms during the initial period of Christianization, but France, England and other major Christian nations were converted in much the same way. There were uprisings against forced labor, feudalistic monopoly, friar abuses, but not against the technological, institutional, linguistic and artistic benefits of Christian civilization.

By the last decade of the 19th century, the descendants of the diverse barangays could already think of themselves as one people with a growing sense of unity and nationhood. They became the first Asians to declare their independence from colonial rule. The Revolution, indeed, signaled the birth of a nation. The placenta was Spain’s. With the American occupation, the mother got buried along with the afterbirth. The Tagalogs have a saying: “Ang hindi marunong lumingon sa pinanggalingan, ay hindi makararating sa paroroonan.” It is their folk way of saying that nations without a past have no future.
Interesting article, thanks bai Igsuonnimo :)
I remember this cover of Time magazine a few years back. It's a computer generated photo of a person if all races were mixed in one individual.

http://thesituationist.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/time-magazine-cover-of-computer-generated-multiracial-person.jpg Well she looks like Sally Fields from her Flying Nun days, or maybe Ellen Page from the movie Juno. But her features are very strongly Caucasian, Mediterranean, or Middle Eastern. I see nothing East Asian nor African about her. Hmmm, ...

Our Philippine identity

ROSES & THORNS By Alejandro R. Roces
(The Philippine Star)
Updated December 22, 2009 12:00 AM

“The past is the present, isn’t it? It’s the future, too. We all tried to lie out of that but life won’t let us.” — Eugene O’Neill

Filipinos are undergoing an identity crisis. Every cultural trait is being subjected to the question: “Is it Filipino?” We are still looking for an answer. The answer to “What is Filipino?” lies in the prejudicial question, “What is culture?” It is culture that makes a Filipino a Filipino and not a Malaysian or Indonesian.

Culture has been defined as “that complex whole which includes knowledge, belief, art, morals, custom and any other capabilities and habits acquired by man as a member of society.” To be human is to belong to a culture. Four elements present in all cultures are: technology, institutions, language and arts. These can change in only two ways: by invention or by borrowing. Things invented are part of the indigenous culture of the society which brought them forth; things adopted, or adapted, became part of our indigenous cultures; Spanish and English, part of our national culture.

The “real Filipino” had been defined as a “decolonized Filipino.” We take exception to this on two grounds. First, it totally disregards the positive aspects of colonialism. It is true that the Spaniards failed to integrate themselves with the natives. As a matter of fact, they couldn’t even identify with the Philippine-born Spaniards or with the Spanish mestizos. But Spain had more advanced techniques and a much higher degree of civilization than this archipelago. In the process of colonization, they did diffuse their culture and created a new synthesis and a new unity that was richer and more varied than what existed in the islands before.

Second, to decolonize means to bring to a pre-colonial status. To reduce nationalism to colonialism spelled backwards is to emulate the Mediterranean sailors who guarded themselves against the fatal sirenical songs by singing them in reverse. To decolonize the national language would mean the purging of thousands of Spanish words that have been assimilated into Filipino and the abandonment of the Roman alphabet for the syllabic script. If there is anything more reactionary than going back to colonialism, it is going back to pre-colonialism. Prehistoric Philippines was not a Garden of Eden from which our forefathers were expelled because they ate of the tree of colonialism. In every stage of his formation, the Filipino was himself plus his circumstances. He lives in his culture as his culture lived in him. What is needed is redirection. The future is alterable, the past is not. The objective should not be a decolonized Filipino, but a supra-colonial Filipino.

Progress is not a natural law. The wheel was 46 centuries old when Spain introduced it in the Philippines. What one generation gains may be lost by the succeeding ones. Aside from the fact that culture is acquired, shared, transmitted and gratifying to human needs, culture gravitates towards integration. It was Spanish acculturation that homogenized Philippine society. After the initial resistance to Spanish conquest (the Spanish Army in 1590 was composed of 400 men) and the inertia that blocked urbanization had been overcome, the Filipinos were very receptive to Christian acculturation. Some people ridicule the mass baptisms during the initial period of Christianization, but France, England and other major Christian nations were converted in much the same way. There were uprisings against forced labor, feudalistic monopoly, friar abuses, but not against the technological, institutional, linguistic and artistic benefits of Christian civilization.

By the last decade of the 19th century, the descendants of the diverse barangays could already think of themselves as one people with a growing sense of unity and nationhood. They became the first Asians to declare their independence from colonial rule. The Revolution, indeed, signaled the birth of a nation. The placenta was Spain’s. With the American occupation, the mother got buried along with the afterbirth. The Tagalogs have a saying: “Ang hindi marunong lumingon sa pinanggalingan, ay hindi makararating sa paroroonan.” It is their folk way of saying that nations without a past have no future.

I remember this cover of Time magazine a few years back. It's a computer generated photo of a person if all races were mixed in one individual.

http://thesituationist.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/time-magazine-cover-of-computer-generated-multiracial-person.jpg

Is it "all" or "several"?

Interesting article, thanks bai Igsuonnimo :)


Ola Amigo! Magkasundo sundo lang naman tayo dito ay ayos na ako :)

Maligayang Happy Holidays na Pasko kaibigan.

Peliz Nabidad! :cheers1:

The average American doesn't even know that there's a country named "The Philippines." Yeah, go figure, right? ;) I've experienced the same thing, I've been called every Asian/Pacific Islander/Latino nationality there is, but they never got it right, that I'm a Filipino. And the pet peeve that irks me the most, is that when they already know I'm Filipino, they still ask "Are you Philippine?" Or, "Do you speak Philippine?" Arrrrrrgggghhh! Bugs the hell out of me every time! :rant:

:shocked: Whoa! The impossible happened! I went to get a haircut this evening and the stylist asked me pointblank if I was a Filipino. I was caught off guard by her assumption, I guess I wasn't expecting that. :lol:

:shocked: Whoa! The impossible happened! I went to get a haircut this evening and the stylist asked my pointblank if I was a Filipino. I was caught off guard by her assumption, I guess I wasn't expecting that. :lol:

:lol::lol::lol: Pinoy ba yung stylist mo?

^^ Far from it. She's of Eastern European descent.

:shocked: Whoa! The impossible happened! I went to get a haircut this evening and the stylist asked me pointblank if I was a Filipino. I was caught off guard by her assumption, I guess I wasn't expecting that. :lol:

Chances are they have been around pinoys, that's typical, they automatically assume you're one . Be very scared if let's say moi, yours truely was asked by some dude from India if I was from India. I was like YIKESSSSSSSSSSSSSS NO WAY Jose!!!!( i was polite though) but with pinoys if I they see me for the first time, they would give me that stange and long look but then they would ask if I am pinoy then I would respond in tagalog, bakit anong akala mo ( i was getting my hands ready all the time if they say bumbay, i'd choke them to death...LMAO you know why? they use to tell me in the Philippines if I sell kulambo,payong or if I pautang 5-6... not very flattering IMO ) LMAO

Chances are they have been around pinoys, that's typical, they automatically assume you're one . Be very scared if let's say moi, yours truely was asked by some dude from India if I was from India. I was like YIKESSSSSSSSSSSSSS NO WAY Jose!!!!( i was polite though) but with pinoys if I they see me for the first time, they would give me that stange and long look but then they would ask if I am pinoy then I would respond in tagalog, bakit anong akala mo ( i was getting my hands ready all the time if they say bumbay, i'd choke them to death...LMAO you know why? they use to tell me in the Philippines if I sell kulambo,payong or if I pautang 5-6... not very flattering IMO ) LMAO

baka amoy bombay ka namn kasi:D

Ola Amigo! Magkasundo sundo lang naman tayo dito ay ayos na ako :)

Maligayang Happy Holidays na Pasko kaibigan.

Peliz Nabidad! :cheers1:

Buhay pa pala si Alejandro Roces? My take on it is, everybody "borrows" from everybody and everyone is benefitted from it. The Roman Empire borrowed from the Egyptian Empire and from Greek Civilisation. Halos carbon copy na nga ng Greek Culture ang naging Roman Civilisation as we know it. Yet no one accuses the Roman Empire of being gaya gaya copycats and bowing or licking the ass of a foreign culture. Ditto with the Russian Empire under the glorious Czars and even up to the Soviet Union. Russian Civilisation borrowed very heavily from the Greek/ Byzantine Empire yet no one accuses the Russians of licking the foreign ass of the Greeks. The USSR "borrowed" extensively from Western technology using the KGB. We can go on with all the descendants of the Latin language, the Spanish, Portuguese, Italian civilisations and yes, even that of my purist French hosts. To cut the chase, everybody borrows from everybody and everyone is benefitted and enriched by the experience. Even the purist Japanese can't deny they borrowed heavily from China. Likewise, China borrowed Buddhism from India.

Back to our situation, I see a problem with this "decolonised Filipino" thingy. Coz pushed to its extreme and to its logical end game, this "decolonised" idea will result in the fragmentation of our Republic. Yep, you got that right. It will only result in more than 15 independent ministates drawn along ethno-linguistic lines. That would have been the natural evolution of things if no European power drew up our present day boundaries, think about it ...But of course, the secessionists like the Bangsamoro Judicial Entity will be all too pleased with ideas such as these. Well, we still got cultural things that unify this country, like Christmas. :)

(nawawala ang confidence ko sa English when I'm surrounded by the French grabe)

Joyeux Noël et une Bonne Année à vous!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you !

baka amoy bombay ka namn kasi:D

Bakit, ano ba ang amoy ng bombay? Sinisinghot singhot mo sila ano??LMAO:lol::lol:

Our Philippine identity

ROSES & THORNS By Alejandro R. Roces
(The Philippine Star)
Updated December 22, 2009 12:00 AM

[...]
The “real Filipino” had been defined as a “decolonized Filipino.” We take exception to this on two grounds. First, it totally disregards the positive aspects of colonialism. It is true that the Spaniards failed to integrate themselves with the natives. As a matter of fact, they couldn’t even identify with the Philippine-born Spaniards or with the Spanish mestizos. But Spain had more advanced techniques and a much higher degree of civilization than this archipelago. In the process of colonization, they did diffuse their culture and created a new synthesis and a new unity that was richer and more varied than what existed in the islands before.

Second, to decolonize means to bring to a pre-colonial status. To reduce nationalism to colonialism spelled backwards is to emulate the Mediterranean sailors who guarded themselves against the fatal sirenical songs by singing them in reverse. To decolonize the national language would mean the purging of thousands of Spanish words that have been assimilated into Filipino and the abandonment of the Roman alphabet for the syllabic script. If there is anything more reactionary than going back to colonialism, it is going back to pre-colonialism. Prehistoric Philippines was not a Garden of Eden from which our forefathers were expelled because they ate of the tree of colonialism. In every stage of his formation, the Filipino was himself plus his circumstances. He lives in his culture as his culture lived in him. What is needed is redirection. The future is alterable, the past is not. The objective should not be a decolonized Filipino, but a supra-colonial Filipino.




Some relevant passages from the book Rizal--Filipino Nationalist & Patriot, wherein the author Austin Coates shares his thoughts on Rizal:


The complete absence of revivalism in [Rizal's] national thinking demonstrates this. There is never any suggestion, for example, of developing Tagalog to replace Spanish; both languages he considers necessary. Nor is there ever the remotest suggestion of abandoning anything the Philippines had received from the West. On the contrary, Western language, clothes, manners and learning are part of the heritage on which to construct. The strains and contradictions in the lives of Tagore and Gandhi, and indeed in nearly every Asian nationalist leader, imposed by unwillingness to accept this inevitability, thereby raising devious questions of what to accept and what to reject of the West, are absent in Rizal. Eclectic, universal, his reaction to European languages, to use the earlier example, was to learn six of them. It is this acceptance of the inevitability of Asia developing in the full utilization of the science and learning of the West that gives him the complete sense of modernity he conveys today, rendering him of all the national leaders of Asia the most considerable, balanced and far-seeing.

Gandhi's aim, of course, differed from Rizal's. Gandhi sought to bring nearer to the present an archaic civilization lying inert in its past, and to do this it was necessary to step back himself into that past, and construct from it. Rizal on the other hand sought to aid a young people to find its own personality as a nation of the future. Constructing from the past, Gandhi was obliged to look back; Rizal, constructing from the present, looked solely forward.

Interesting footnote from the same page:

The complications imposed by unwillingness to accept Western influence were endless in China and India, and penetratred into the smallest matters. As an example, when Gandhi visited Tagore at Santiniketan he was rather shocked to find the poet and his students using electric light; at Sevagram only vegetable oil lamps and candles were permitted. He also did not approve of Tagore's students having Santal (aboriginal inhabitants of the region) servants to clean their rooms. These small matters quite strained relations during the visit. Tagore eventually gave in over the servants (for a time), but held firm over the electric light. Gandhi was satisfied, but the Santals were not. Gandhi did however admit that the British had given India three useful material requirements: the railway, the postal system, and--a very odd one--the pith helmet. Comparison with such details as these illustrates Rizal's striking modernity and insistence on sticking to essentials.

Bakit, ano ba ang amoy ng bombay? Sinisinghot singhot mo sila ano??LMAO:lol::lol: di ako makatiis :lol: This thing actually happened... nagtour kami ng mga tropa (filipinos) sa Singapore Zoo in 2007. Maaga pa kaya hindi pa gaano kadami ang tao. We dropped by the Lion's den at andun may grupo ng mga Europeans din. Wala lang, the pride of lions (1 male, several females) nakahiga lazily on the ground ~ deadma, tinatamad di kami pinansin lahat... :lol: Mga 5 min later, may dumating grupo ng mga bombay complete with national costumes pa... Aba, nung nasinghap ng mga leon ang amoy sarsa at curry, bigla ba namang nagtayuan lahat ng female lions and they really stared hard at "that" group. :lol: Yung mga bombay medio natakot din e. Puera biro, the females were really in attack mode already (a la National Geographic), alam nila kung aling grupo ang naka-marinate na.

Future Filipinas

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Green Santa
last photo taken from Robinsons Galleria last week

di ako makatiis :lol: This thing actually happened... nagtour kami ng mga tropa (filipinos) sa Singapore Zoo in 2007. Maaga pa kaya hindi pa gaano kadami ang tao. We dropped by the Lion's den at andun may grupo ng mga Europeans din. Wala lang, the pride of lions (1 male, several females) nakahiga lazily on the ground ~ deadma, tinatamad di kami pinansin lahat... :lol: Mga 5 min later, may dumating grupo ng mga bombay complete with national costumes pa... Aba, nung nasinghap ng mga leon ang amoy sarsa at curry, bigla ba namang nagtayuan lahat ng female lions and they really stared hard at "that" group. :lol: Yung mga bombay medio natakot din e. Puera biro, the females were really in attack mode already (a la National Geographic), alam nila kung aling grupo ang naka-marinate na.

That's hella funny! I think I busted my gut laughing so hard. :rofl:

di ako makatiis :lol: This thing actually happened... nagtour kami ng mga tropa (filipinos) sa Singapore Zoo in 2007. Maaga pa kaya hindi pa gaano kadami ang tao. We dropped by the Lion's den at andun may grupo ng mga Europeans din. Wala lang, the pride of lions (1 male, several females) nakahiga lazily on the ground ~ deadma, tinatamad di kami pinansin lahat... :lol: Mga 5 min later, may dumating grupo ng mga bombay complete with national costumes pa... Aba, nung nasinghap ng mga leon ang amoy sarsa at curry, bigla ba namang nagtayuan lahat ng female lions and they really stared hard at "that" group. :lol: Yung mga bombay medio natakot din e. Puera biro, the females were really in attack mode already (a la National Geographic), alam nila kung aling grupo ang naka-marinate na.

:lol::lol::lol: LMAO

sabi ko na eh, may kanya-kanyang amoy ang iba-ibang nationality eh:D

parang scent of a woman kumbaga:D

:lol::lol::lol: LMAO

che nakiki LMAO ka diyan, hindi ako amoy curry ano??? nagluto ako ng may curry powder pero naligo naman ako ano???:lol::lol::lol::nuts:

Kung hindi ko pa alam, nangutang ka ng 5/6 sa mga yon para sa business mo ngayon :rofl:

di ako makatiis :lol: This thing actually happened... nagtour kami ng mga tropa (filipinos) sa Singapore Zoo in 2007. Maaga pa kaya hindi pa gaano kadami ang tao. We dropped by the Lion's den at andun may grupo ng mga Europeans din. Wala lang, the pride of lions (1 male, several females) nakahiga lazily on the ground ~ deadma, tinatamad di kami pinansin lahat... :lol: Mga 5 min later, may dumating grupo ng mga bombay complete with national costumes pa... Aba, nung nasinghap ng mga leon ang amoy sarsa at curry, bigla ba namang nagtayuan lahat ng female lions and they really stared hard at "that" group. :lol: Yung mga bombay medio natakot din e. Puera biro, the females were really in attack mode already (a la National Geographic), alam nila kung aling grupo ang naka-marinate na.
Naku, may balak pa naman akong mag tour sa india, mag import siguro ako ng clothes pin sa pinas bago ako pumunta sa India :lol: :lol:

Thank you all for participating! Have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! :colgate:



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Still pandering on your hunger for a true sense of NATIONALISM.

If you wish to get updates on the upcoming "Minsan may Isang Puta" short film entry by Urban Tribe's Sarah Roxas @ the "Ganap na Babae"-search for the NEW WOMAN Director, you are most welcome to join us - HERE's TO A BETTER PHILIPPINES!

"Minsan may Isang Puta" was originally published in April 30, 2004 @ Peyups.com and at 2010, it is still finding it's way to blog sites, fora, search engines and now on the film.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Minsan-may-Isang-Puta/359475606984?v=wall

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DOJ ready to probe 'wrong rendition' of Philippine national anthem during Pacquiao-Clottey fight
MANILA, March 15 (PNA) -- Department of Justice (DOJ) Secretary and concurrent Solicitor General Alberto Agra on Monday said that they are ready to investigate the alleged wrong rendition of the Philippine National Anthem during the Manny Pacquiao-Joshua Clottey fight on Sunday.

Agra stressed that if ever a case is filed regarding the improper singing of the national anthem, they will immediately form a panel of prosecutors specifically assigned to conduct the investigation.

If found guilty of violating Republic Act 8491, the singer may be imprisoned for not more than one year and fined from P5,000 up to P20,000.

However, the National Historical Institute (NHI) clarified on Monday that they have not yet filed a criminal case against singer Arnel Pineda in connection with the wrong rendition of "Lupang Hinirang" during the Manny Pacquiao-Joshua Clottey boxing bout on Sunday.

According to Prof. Teddy Atienza, chief of the Heraldy section of the NHI, at present they are still gathering a video footage of Pineda's singing of the national anthem in the Pacquiao-Clottey fight.

After this, they will file a report before the NHI board who will determine whether Pineda will be charged before the DOJ.

However, Atienza said that they are ready to forgive if Pineda asks for an apology by way of helping in the campaign of the NHI to educate the public on the proper singing of the national anthem.

Atienza added that the explanation of Pineda that his rendition of "Lupang Hinirang" was from the bottom of his heart was not enough as there is a law regarding the proper way of singing the national anthem. (PNA)

http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?idn=1&sid=&nid=1&rid=264450

Nationalism is relevant and the following are recent examples as to how Western Countries liberally used it.


Economic nationalism is a term used to describe policies which emphasize on domestic control of the economy, labor and capital formation, even if this requires the imposition of tariffs and other restrictions on the movement of labour, goods and capital. It is in opposition to globalization in many cases, or at least it questions the benefits of unrestricted free trade. Economic nationalism may include such doctrines as protectionism and import substitution.

Examples of this include Henry Clay's American System (economic system), Japan's use of MITI to "pick winners and losers", Malaysia's imposition of currency controls in the wake of the 1997 currency crisis, China's controlled exchange of the yuan, Argentina's economic policy of tariffs and devaluation in the wake of the 2001 financial crisis and the United States' use of tariffs to protect domestic steel production.

Instances became more visible from 2005 after several governments intervened to prevent takeovers of domestic firms by foreign companies. Some cases include:

* ~ Proposed takeover of Arcelor (France and Luxembourg) by Mittal (India)[1].
* ~ French governmental listing of Danone (France) as a 'strategic industry' to pre-empt a potential takeover bid by PepsiCo (USA)[2].
* ~ Blocked takeover of Autostrade, an Italian toll-road operator by the Spanish company Abertis[3].
* ~ Proposed takeover of Endesa (Spain) by E.ON (Germany), and the counter-bid by Gas Natural (Spain)[4].
* ~ Proposed takeover of Suez (France) by Enel (Italy), and the counter-bid by Gaz de France (France)[5].
* ~ United States Congressional opposition to the takeover bid for Unocal (USA) by CNOOC (PR China), and the subsequent takeover by Chevron (USA)[6].
* ~ Political opposition in 2006 to sell port management businesses in six major U.S. seaports to a company DP World based in the United Arab Emirates
* ~ Case of new draft legislation at the beginning of 2007 restricting foreign companies' access to Russia's natural-resource wealth and select Russian industries
* ~ The New Zealand Government veto of the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board's bid for a majority stake in Auckland Airport in 2008. [1]

The reason for a policy of economic protectionism in the cases above varied from bid to bid, In the case of Mittal's bid for Arcelor, the primary concerns involved job security for the Arcelor employees based in France and Luxembourg.

The cases of French Suez and Spanish Endesa involved the desire for respective European governments to create a 'national champion' capable of competing at both a European and global level.

Both the French and US government used national security as the reason for opposing takeovers of Danone, Unocal and the bid by DP World for 6 US ports.

It should be noted that in none of the examples given above was the original bid deemed to be against the interests of competition.

In many cases the shareholders supported the foreign bid. For instance in France after the bid for Suez by Enel was counteracted by the French public energy and gas company Gaz De France the shareholders of Suez complained and the unions of Gaz De France were in an uproar because of the privatization of their jobs.

We badly need this now!!!:cheers::cheers: