And I don't like the way they put opposition peeps on a positive light. I heard a news awhile ago about the patutsadahan between Chavit and Jinggoy, well both are sore losers anyway but it ended as though they were implying that Jinggoy unggoy was the right one. Is ABS-CBN receiving some sort of bribe from Susan Roces or Geny Lopez just hates GMA? (the network and the president)

Haay. Sinabi mo pa. Buti at hindi lang ako ang nakakapansin na laging nalalagyan ng spin ang ABS CBN/ANC news that is biased against the administration. The Wowowee incident only exacerbated the ABS bias against PGMA. Talagang doublespeak by ABS executives because while Geny Lopez made that speech about admitting responsibility for the incident, ABS news reports and ANC shows constantly tried to exonerate ABS from all responsibility for the event and portrayed the government as the culprit. It was all so subliminal, daig na daig ang mga propagandists ni Macoy.

In general, those big time TV networks just provide the same kind of news over and over again. I've seen that news story that morning before I go to work and have the same news when I watch the late night news. Worse, they are airing negative news because that catches public attention easily.

Why not feature more positive news? Only few documentaries of some network channels air some of it. If only our media can help us promoting and giving pride to ourselves, maybe they could help us catch up with other countries.

guys visit the SKYBAR FORUM in the world forums, may fellow pinoy forumer na nagkakalat dun. nag post ba naman ng picture ng isang matandang lalaking dayuhan na may kasamang dalagang pinay. sbi nung forumer sa msg na COMMON SIGHT daw yun sa manila. nag reply naman tong isang foreigner ang sbi na he should avoid manila na daw because of the pic.

hay, mismong pinoy naninira pa. nakakainis

to INSANEDRIVER: bago ka mag post isipin mo muna ok?

ASIAN FEEL yung name ng thread

^ Hey don't be too nationalistic. It doesn't mean that because he's Pinoy, he represents the whole Filipino community, the readers should be mature enough to understand that ;)

There's something wrong with ABS. Always negative and they seem to sensationalize anything and everything bad about the government.

Ang mga anchors ng TV Patrol World, hindi marunong magconduct ng live interviews at kung paano bumato ng mga follow-up questions!

Isang halimbawa nung nanalo si Pacquiao:

Julius Babao: Papaano mo gagastusin ang napanalunan mo?

WTF? Totally unnecessary imo at ano ba naman ang pakialam natin kung paano niya iwaldas ang salapi niya :nuts:

Si Boy Abunda na lang sana ang nagtanong hehehe.

Ano nga ba topic natin?

A, hehehe naging abs...

:lol: Mirada de Mujer lang pinapanood ko.:lol:

ako game ka na ba saka deal or no deal...

[QUOTE=amigo32;12478244]Si Boy Abunda na lang sana ang nagtanong hehehe.

ok..kung si boy abunda..eto mga questions nya after the fight with morales:

1. Manny...look in the magic mirror...ano masasabi mo ngayon..after the fight/

Pacman: eh...eto...sugat sugat muka ko..panget..bungi pako..hehehehe...

Si Boy Abunda na lang sana ang nagtanong hehehe.

Ano nga ba topic natin?

A, hehehe naging abs...

Nagsimula lahat sa post # 98. Okay back to the topic guys ;)

hehehehehe. funny thread.


baka ma lock na ito.

hehehe

guys visit the SKYBAR FORUM in the world forums, may fellow pinoy forumer na nagkakalat dun. nag post ba naman ng picture ng isang matandang lalaking dayuhan na may kasamang dalagang pinay. sbi nung forumer sa msg na COMMON SIGHT daw yun sa manila. nag reply naman tong isang foreigner ang sbi na he should avoid manila na daw because of the pic.

hay, mismong pinoy naninira pa. nakakainis


The problem with some Filipinos is that they're quick to put down their country and countrymen. I see no reason why they should. Akala nila they're cool or something. Do they know that they're pulling themselves down as well? It doesn't seem like they do, with the way they're going. Nakakainis talaga! It's not as if we're unaware of the not-so-nice things going on around us, but we chose to remain positive and optimistic. Being negative and putting our fellows down are attitudes that we should change. Hindi uunlad ang Pilipinas kung mismong mga Pinoy ang ayaw maniwala na kaya natin to.

^^ I agree. This is an international forum where everybody can see who and what we really are. Other people can tell why Philippines isn't progressive by themanner they are posting so much negativity about the country exacerbating the CNN and BBC phenomenon. The guy who posted that in the skybar didn't realize how he degraded himself in front of the international community as much as he's dragging us along with him. What a crab.

these are some words that was posted by a foreigner there in the skybar forum.

Hmm I should stay away from Manila then. The people there do not need a guy who :puke: frequently...

Interracial couples are fantastic, and I understand that looks are not everything but for the love of all things holy up your standards ladies it is embarrassing.

:sly:

If you have a lot of money yes, I bet there are gold diggers in Manila. But then why do you have to go to Manila, just look at Anna Nicole. :)

Why? At least when we're old and fat we know where to go to get some young meat
^^ - was pertaining to manila

^^ I agree. This is an international forum where everybody can see who and what we really are. Other people can tell why Philippines isn't progressive by themanner they are posting so much negativity about the country exacerbating the CNN and BBC phenomenon. The guy who posted that in the skybar didn't realize how he degraded himself in front of the international community as much as he's dragging us along with him. What a crab.

Who's that bastard? I'll kill him now!
Don't tell me he was the same one who proudly declared that "Manila is the ugliest city in ASIA!"

I don't want to sound "too nationalistic", but the truth is that the Philippines is already suffering from being advertised by unscrupulous Filipinos as a sex trade destination, the same reputation that Thailand has among Westerners. Notwithstanding the well-meaning intention of Insanedriver, such comments may not be perceived in the same light by people from other countries, who, to begin with, already have a negative perception of the Philippines.

I also think the member-countries of the ASEAN should do something about the problem of SEA countries being perceived as a sex trade destination. We don't want to be famous for all the wrong reasons.

This is totally random. I'm actually proud of being a Filipino because of the many accomplishments of our people but there is one thing that really strikes me personally: poverty-stricken kids begging and left abandoned for the entire world to see!!! :ohno: I just cannot contemplate how we as people and a country can tolerate it!!! If it was up to me, I would abolish the worthless Philippine military, invite the Americans back and spend the saved money on social welfare, specifically on child welfare, education, and job training.

Can't we just do something to help the poor Pinoys?

well they exist everywhere in this world...kahit sa america...marami sila sa kalye...these street kids is part of society....

what I don't like in our culture is the inggit system and crab mentality...and of course..making life harder than what it is....kulang sa practicality and malakas din ang pagka tigas ng ulo.....I mean the head....teka. mali..yung brain ...yan....but..overall..wala akong kinahihiya sa lahi natin...I'm very proud ...of the filipinos...parating naka tawa....dyan tayo lamang sa buong mundo...punta ka sa ibang bansa..usually naka simangot sila at parating nagmamadali.....

Can't we just do something to help the poor Pinoys?

Well kanina....while driving in boni tunnel...there was this kid in the middle island...when I came close...I saw him sniffing his rugby bottle....I was disgusted to see these kids...nakaka awa....siguro nga..wala na silang makain daw kaya nag rugby nalang...

come monday, i will call DSWD and ask if they have programs with these kids..if none..then probably we can set up like a rugby sagip foundation....get a house or a camp...rehabilitate them...teach them to go back to school ...or find a sponsor for these kids....sana may tumulong....

Kung sana ang mga oppositionist eh ganito mag isip...kapag nakaka kita ng problema...ginagawan na ng solution...hindi yung batikos ng batikos tapos wala naman palang alam gawin...kung hindi puros dada....like toots........tootsie roll....ayan....hindi ko sinabi name

I am not ashamed of being a Filipino citizen. It's the government makes ashamed of us.

I hate the crab mentality, ningas kugon and worship the west way of thinking. Even Filipinos in America are debated whether they are asian, pacific islander or latino and most of them would deny their true race. Wala naman dapat ikahiya ang Pilipino kasi lahat ng kultura may upside and downside.

...corruption in the government

^^and people supporting an apparently corrupt political institution headed by a patriarch who used the country's money to supply his concubines with mansions adorned with white sand beaches and designer shoes while sending his plastic-faced (as a result of numerous "youth-enhancing surgeries) wife and fat son and their colleagues to ruin our chambers of legislation.

Let's go for GO...GO away!

^^ something wrong with the thread title....hehehhe!

^^ something wrong with the thread title....hehehhe!

Huh? I don't get it.

Or did you mean that the first letter should be capitalized and the sentence must end with a question mark? Is that it?

Filipinos who are ashamed of being Filipinos..na hala pasi oi

I'm not ashamed of being a Filipino no matter how much our country is in bad shape. When people ask me here, I tell them straight: 100% Filipino. :tongue2:

Try asking this question when you are in a Filipino gathering in the States. For sure dami nila ikakahiya :lol:

I live in the States.

oops sorry. I wrote this thread at 2:00 am my time as I was watching those heartbreaking Christian commercials again asking for donations for poor kids and it got me thinking why I hate going back to the Philippines and it's because I always become filled with guilt for having the opportunity to live well. I'm only 20 so it hasnt been that long since I was a kid and the fact that so many out there like me, who looks exactly like me, and are suppose to be equal to me as a human being is suffering makes me really sad that I cant even describe. Sometimes I find myself crying whenever I'm there, on my last visit, I actually lost like 15 lbs in a month 'cause I couldnt eat with all those images in my head.

Oh ya I meant "WHAT MAKES ME ASHAMED OF BEING A FILIPINO"

I live in Texas, but my mom ocassionally goes home and do medical missions, I'm studying medicine myself, so hopefully I can do something, but one person can't do that much, besides it's a problem that makes us all as Filipinos look bad

well this is not an english class...so okay na yun..I think everybody undersood what it really meant...pa correct lang sa moderator..

oops sorry. I wrote this thread at 2:00 am my time as I was watching those heartbreaking Christian commercials again asking for donations for poor kids and it got me thinking why I hate going back to the Philippines and it's because I always become filled with guilt for having the opportunity to live well. I'm only 20 so it hasnt been that long since I was a kid and the fact that so many out there like me, who looks exactly like me, and are suppose to be equal to me as a human being is suffering makes me really sad that I cant even describe. Sometimes I find myself crying whenever I'm there, on my last visit, I actually lost like 15 lbs in a month 'cause I couldnt eat with all those images in my head.

Oh ya I meant "WHAT MAKES ME ASHAMED OF BEING A FILIPINO"

I live in Texas, but my mom ocassionally goes home and do medical missions, I'm studying medicine myself, so hopefully I can do something, but one person can't do that much, besides it's a problem that makes us all as Filipinos look bad


WOW! I am proud being a Filipino bec of Filipinos like YOU!:okay: keep it up @marcintexas!

@marcintexas...I understand your predicament...but..if we really want to help our country or the rest of world...people like you has to be strong and focus...iilan nalang ang mga tao na may konsensya...napaka konte....so keep it up and be counted....there's a lot of things we can do to help..we can help our environment...by taking the bus or cutting our energy consumption...etc etc...basta makaka tulong...gawin nalang... and if you have extra money...then you can sponsor a kid or a relative to school back here...education is a good foundation for a person to stand on their own...also you are helping our country because there's still a lot of people here who are not literate...and perhaps if everybody will become educated...people like Erap will not win an election..

There's nothing to be ashamed of being a Filipino... If poverty is one reason to be ashamed of, then it shouldn't be because it's part of every society. Even the US has poverty problem...and there are worse countries than us when it comes to poverty problem... Just look at African countries, they are mostly poverty-stricken, you can probably say that we are still lucky....

Just do our part to help and change our country for the better ... There's a lot of countries out there which were worst before but they've made it.. It's just a matter of helping each other...

Naalala ko lang...nung asa bangkok ako....I spoke to these cheap europeans..and told them how beautiful our country is...this was during the time of Erap na walang magawa sa abu sayaf dahil ka kontsaba nila yun gumawa ng pera sa kidnapping...

anyway...pinagtawanan nila ako nung sabi ko ..you should visit my country..dahil daw baka pugutan sila ng ulo....wel ngayon..sino ang tumatawa....puros bombing sa thailand at may coup de tat pa....at ang awayan sa south eh sunugan ng simbahan at eskwelahan...

Wala lang. I'm not ashamed of my being Filipino. I may sound like a hypocrite pero I don't really care. We have so many weaknesses but we only have ourselves to blame. We are so blessed with almost everything but waht have we done to our country? Kung ikakahiya niyo bansa niyo para niyo na ring kinahiya ang sarili niyo. It's no wonder why I know a lot of Filipinos who have inferiority complex.

(This is to counteract the negative thread)

Despite the hardships that we Filipinos are experiencing, we have lots of characteristics that we can show to the world how good we are...

1. I am proud because we have good family ties and the respect to elderly people is there by using po and opo...

2. We can smile amidst the trials that we go through in life....

3. We are very hospitable people...

These are just some... There are still lots of reason to be proud of being a Filipino....

Pinoys are so resilient

Food is Delish :]

We are highly- skilled people... Westerners would even say that we are the most talented people in Asia...

:lol: Mga guwapo ug guwapa.:lol:

Yap, every race has its own strengths and weaknesses so why get ashamed of?

oops sorry. I wrote this thread at 2:00 am my time as I was watching those heartbreaking Christian commercials again asking for donations for poor kids and it got me thinking why I hate going back to the Philippines and it's because I always become filled with guilt for having the opportunity to live well. I'm only 20 so it hasnt been that long since I was a kid and the fact that so many out there like me, who looks exactly like me, and are suppose to be equal to me as a human being is suffering makes me really sad that I cant even describe. Sometimes I find myself crying whenever I'm there, on my last visit, I actually lost like 15 lbs in a month 'cause I couldnt eat with all those images in my head.

Oh ya I meant "WHAT MAKES ME ASHAMED OF BEING A FILIPINO"

I live in Texas, but my mom ocassionally goes home and do medical missions, I'm studying medicine myself, so hopefully I can do something, but one person can't do that much, besides it's a problem that makes us all as Filipinos look bad

i can relate to your feelings marcintexas and dunabaw is right I'm proud to have pinoys like you. I sometimes feel guilty too when i see others around me with so little , which makes it seems i have so much . I wish the politicians and the rich will develop this foreign concept of conscience.
How they can live so ostentatiously in gated mansions while a stone's throw away is festering shanties with malnourished children is beyond me .

i love the closely knit family oriented pinoys and the respect for elders.
though this is gradually disappearing with the modern ways and emulation of western culture.

For one I'm proud of our beautiful country. We are truly one of the richest in natural wealth and I'm proud of that!

:lol: Mga guwapo ug guwapa.:lol:

totoo yan....pinakamangandang race sa asia..

Now we can be proud there's a Manny Pacquio na good heart and willingness to help other filipinos!

Manny Pascquiao (just don't run for Congress) is another reason to be proud of being a Filipino.. He just won the match against Solis :cheers:

Bakit si jaworski binoto ng tao...si erap..walang alam binoto..eto may mabuting kalooban at hindi naman pure bobo tulad ni erap na hindi man maka englsih or spell ng cat and dog....sayang naman...let's give hiim a chance

add to @ marcintexas... mother theresa once said "if you can't feed a thousand you can always feed one" in that effect.
I've been helping kids too in my own small way, but you know what ? it's not how small you give but how big your HEART is! sometimes its not materials things those kids needs but happiness... you know "a smile on their faces" makes your effort effortless :)

I'm not ashamed of being a Filipino no matter how much our country is in bad shape. When people ask me here, I tell them straight: 100% Filipino. :tongue2:

^^ Filipinos like him

yeah i would rather vote for manny paquiao than that darlene girl.
i hope he wins.

although we have a lot of stupid pinoys , there are lots of intelligent ones too.
just look at this forum for example. and most are just highschool kids. :)

Crappy sino yung asa pic na batang girl...anak mo ba yan?

yes she's my one and only.

ang cute naman...asawa mo ba foreigner? parang half breed puti

:lol: Mga guwapo ug guwapa.:lol:

TRUE THAT.............c'',)...................!

ang cute naman...asawa mo ba foreigner? parang half breed puti

thanxs. yeah he's a foreigner.

I am proud of Rivermaya. if it werent for the racists world we live in . they would be top artist of the world by now.

For me...

Long and great history...
Ethnic and cultural diversity...
Filipino way of life...
the great and exciting people...
so many beuatiful and surprisingly tgifted people...
it's a country full of surprises...
unique and uncomparable to any place in the world...
all the odds gives it a sense of belongingness for me, i dunno why...

the...FFFOOOOOODDDDDDDD!!!!!!! Mwahahahhaha!

Just do our part to help and change our country for the better ... There's a lot of countries out there which were worst before but they've made it.. It's just a matter of helping each other...

In connection with what I've posted, here's the ways of helping our country...

10 Things Pinoys Abroad Can Do To Help Our Country

By Alex Lacson

1. Spend your vacation, your dollars and other foreign currencies, in our Philippines.
It is understandable for our OFW's, balikbayans and Pinoy expats to vacation in other countries. The world is truly beautiful and majestic. But please spend some of your vacation time and some of your dollars in our Philippines. Every dollar that you bring into our country will help build our Philippines. It will help our tourism industry. It will mean more sales and more jobs for our local industries. It will mean an increase in our country's international dollar reserves. It will help stabilize the peso. And ultimately, it will help stabilize our economy.

2. Encourage and teach your relatives back home to be good citizens & good Filipinos.
Whether or not you are sending money to your relatives in the Philippines, you are one of their heroes. They look up to you as a role model. They listen to every word you say. Please teach them to become good Filipinos, to become good citizens. They can start with my book, 12 Little Things Every Filipino Can Do To Help Our Country. Please ask them to help me spread the message of the book. In particular, please ask them to “Buy local. Buy Pilipino.” A recent article in TIME Magazine said that the most crucial factor for economic progress is not foreign investments, but economic nationalism - i.e., when people learn to support their own country's products.

3. All OFW's, Balikbayans and Pinoy Expats should do more during elections in RP.
In the next and all future elections, OFW's, Balikbayans and Pinoy expats should do more by helping your relatives back home in choosing the right leaders - the national ones especially - for our country. Your relatives at home will listen to you. This means that as OFWs and expats, you need to surf the Internet and read the news so you’ll know which candidates should be elected to offices. There are organizations and websites which can help you decide.

If it is true that there are at least 8 million OFW's all over the world now, and if it is also true that every Filipino has at least 4 relatives, then the 8 million OFW's have at least 32 million relatives back home in the Philippines. This means that the OFW's and their families alone can determine the political leadership in the Philippines, our government, and eventually our nation as a whole.

4. Buy Pilipino, wherever you are in the world.
If you look at the Japanese and the (South) Koreans, wherever they are in the world, they buy and patrionize their own products. They are like that too in the Philippines. That's why there are so many Korean stores sprouting all over the country now. The Chinese, Thais and Malaysians are almost like them too, but in a less passionate manner.

We Filipinos have a preference for imported products - the so-called “colonial mentality” - believing that Spanish and American products, ideas and ways were better and superior and that ours were inferior. But that's history. Our Philippines is different now. There are many good Filipino companies with equally good Filipino products or brands. Look at Bayo, Kamiseta, Bench, Penshoppe, Jollibee, among others. In fact, some of the best branded products you see in New York, London and Italy are made in our Philippines.

Please be an ambassador of the Filipino, by wearing Pilipino. Show to your foreign spouses and officemates and to the world, the elegance of our culture and beauty of our people. All these things begin with each one of us.

5. Adopt a poor child as a scholar back home.
According to government sources, around 40% of our people are poor. But according to our bishops from CBCP, the figure is much higher than that, possibly at 53%. Since we have a population of almost 86 million now, imagine how many of that is 53%. Most of the poor are children, a great many of whom are out there in the streets, because their parents cannot afford to send them to school.

My proposal is this - let's adopt scholars among our poor street children.

World Vision is an international foundation which offers scholarship for poor children. It has been operating in the Philippines for years. It looks for 2 groups of persons - the first are those poor children who really want to study hard, and the second are those who have extra funds and are willing to sponsor 1 scholar for only P450 per month. Yes, for only P450 a month, you can sponsor 1 scholar under World Vision. World Vision can give you the name, age, address and personal profile of your scholar so you can even mentor, visit, talk, or write to your scholar.

If there are 5 million Filipinos and OFW's today who are all wiling to sponsor 1 child each under World Vision, that would mean 5 million poor children can be adopted as scholars. These scholars will have a better future and will someday become our partners in building our nation.

This could be one of the fastest paths to progress and social transformation in our country. And this is a very Christian way. Even Jesus Christ, who was born very poor in a manger, had to be adopted by Joseph.

6. Support a charitable organization.
There are many good charitable organizations that truly help build our Philippines to become a better place for all of us. Gawad Kalinga, Pondo ng Pinoy, Caritas Manila and World Vision, among others. These groups are beyond the dirt and mirth of politics.

Like most of us, you too are busy. Often, you will have not the time to help others. Charitable organizations are there to allow us to help others while we are busy. Every little help that you send will help one poor Filipino, often one poor child, in our country.

7. Teach your children about the Philippines, and to love it and its people.
Teach your children and your foreign spouses, wherever you are in the world, about our Philippines - the home of the Filipino people, and the birthplace of our race.

Let your children and your foreign spouses hear it from you - that you appreciate and love our Philippines. Because if they hear and see it from you, their beloved, they too will appreciate and love our Philippines. Or they will find a way, sooner or later, to appreciate and love it, because of you. I see that all the time, everywhere, in practically all the fathers and mothers in this world. Their sons and daughters often carry and continue their parents’ loves, causes and advocacies.

If you make your children see and hear that you love our Philippines, believe me, someday your children will grow up with love and admiration for the Philippines in their hearts and minds.

8. Speak positively about our Philippines and our people.
Sure, there are things that will disappoint and dishearten you in the Philippines, especially if you look at our government and the politicians who run it and those businessmen whose companies earn so much but who pay very little to their employees.

But there are also many good things in our Philippines. We are a race capable of greatness and excellence, and you see this in the likes of Lea Salonga, Dr Josette Biyo, Diosdado Banatao, Efren Reyes, Ninoy Aquino, Jose Rizal, among many others. We are essentially a breed of honest people, and you see this in the likes of Nestor Sulpico, the Filipino driver in New York who, on 17 July 2004, drove 43 miles from New York to Connecticut, USA to return the US$80,000 worth of rare black pearls to his passenger who forgot it at the rear back seat of his taxi. We are a people of truly good hospitality even to strangers. We are a very caring and forgiving people. There is so much humanity and Christianity in us as a people. I really believe that, someday, we can be one of the most beautiful peoples on earth.

Let us focus on our beauty and strengths, and build from there. You and all the Pinoy expats and OFW's should be, and could be, the best ambassadors for our home country and people. Rafael Salas, the founder of the United Nations' Population Fund, said that every Filipino is an ambassador of our country.

9. If you are remitting funds to your relatives in the Philippines, teach them to save 15% or 20% of the funds.
If you are remitting funds to your relatives in the Philippines, please teach them to save at least 15% or 20% of the funds. Please teach your relatives the importance of savings. These savings seem small at the start, but even only after 2 years of savings, they will see the growth of their savings and how fast these are growing.

Also teach them to take their savings away from reach and put them in high-yielding investments like mutual funds or treasury bonds. There are many good financial advisers in this area. Teach your relatives to consult one on a regular basis. The book Rich Dad, Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki is good start. The book Pera Mo, Palaguin Mo by Filipino author Francisco Colayco is also very good.

These savings, if handled and invested wisely, could mean the financial independence of your relatives from you in the future, or even from themselves.

Teach your relatives to live simply and not to spend so much on unnecessary consumer items. There is so much beauty in simplicity. There is so much elegance in modesty.

10. Invest in the Philippines.
Finally, if you have extra funds and are looking for ways to invest them, please invest in our Philippines. There are good investment advisers who can help. The Philippines is a growing market - an emerging market, in the language of international banks and financial institutions. If you have investment ideas that can cater to the basic needs and desires of these 86 million Filipinos, you will make it big in our Philippines.

But more than that, every cent or dime that you invest in the Philippines will help our people and our country. And when you do it, you become our partner in building our nation. You become a good Filipino. You become a hero of our country.

Actually, frankly thinking...there is supposedly nothing to be ashamed of being Filipino at all!

Poverty? Is that a reason for shame? Having a developing status is just natural for a country with such a turbulent past. When I see documentaries or comments about poverty in the Philippines, it just makes me very sad for such a beautiful country to experience such harsh standards of living and it just strives me to aim for economic progress.

What I noticed is that many Filipinos abroad are ashamed of their own cultur, language and sometimes even race...they give malice to it making a feeling of inferiority. Weird...

Real things to be ashamed of if there are any reasons for any...

Colonial mentality, take advantage attitude among ourselves, sosyal culture...mata pobre...arrogance of the intellectual people...and the irresponsibility of politicians are are on top of society...mga palpak, bobo, walang pake alam at damdamin para sa pagunlad ng lipunan at bansa...mga tanga!

garzland<<< guapo!


It's not a good idea to buy Filipino when you're overseas because the Filipinos who sell Filipino products are selfish, and overcharge just to try to make money. They'll sell Eskinol for seven dollars, when it only costs 50 pesos (1 dollar) back home, Filipino magazines for $5 when it only costs 75 pesos (1 dollar and 50 cents) back home, Filipino DVDs for $15-20 when they only cost 400 pesos (8 dollars) back home, MANY FILIPINOS WHEN THEY REACH OVERSEAS BECOME THE NEW FERDINAND MARCOSES OF THE WORLD, sad but true.

My old landlady in New York, who was Filipina, tried to charge me an extra $300 a month for Air conditioning during the summer, when in reality, the electricity bill would realistically only add about $20-40 a month, GRABE!!!!!

MANY FILIPINOS ARE LIKE THIS OVERSEAS, AND DISPLAY MANY NEGATIVE TYPES OF ATTITUDES NOT JUST IN MONEY, BUT IN HOW THEY TREAT OTHER FILIPINOS AS WELL, THAT'S WHY I DON'T TRUST OTHER FILIPINOS RIGHT AWAY WHEN I MEET THEM...I'M NATURALLY SUSPICIOUS, AND FOR GOOD REASON HEHE

I am ashamed of Wowowee, Lito Camo, Willie Revillame and our inability to choose the proper leaders for our country.

But all in all, I am happy and proud that I am a Filipino, we have so much to offer to the world!

I am ashamed of Wowowee, Lito Camo, Willie Revillame and our inability to choose the proper leaders for our country.

But all in all, I am happy and proud that I am a Filipino, we have so much to offer to the world!

AH YEA, i can't stand Wowowee, and Willie Revillame, because of the way it's okay for him to put down other Filipinos, but it's all in the name of a joke, but he goes too far many times, but everybody just laughs it off as if it's ok, that's what encourages negative attitudes of Filipinos, I noticed when I visited, it seems okay to make fun of others even in your close friends and family even to the point of hurting their feelings all the time, but if you say anything, you're pikon, IT'S NATURAL FOR FILIPINOS TO PUT DOWN OTHER FILIPINOS, IT'S INGRAINED INTO THE CULTURE, IN OUR JOKES WITH EACH OTHER, IN OUR MOVIES AND TV, AND IT'S A NORMAL THING, which is sad, and I noticed this, even among barkada they'll say the meanest things to each other, in groups of friends in the US, you'll never hear "friends" talking to each other the way Filipinos disparage their "friends" even if it's a joke, it's crab mentality that has become so ingrained into the Filipino culture to the point that it's normal for a Filipino mother to say a disparaging joke to her son/daughter or for a "friend" to say something mean to another "friend" and still be friends afterwards, it's so normal for most Filipinos that they don't even notice it

It's like bullying, a Filipino when given a chance to bully will bully another person, because everybody bullies everybody around in the Philippines, the police to an average person, the government to the people, the friend to the other friend, the cousin to the younger cousin just because he's jealous of what the other cousin has

This is one of the the psychological forces that keeps our people down, I swear, I felt myself being pulled down to the ground everytime I visited, just the jealousies people have and the negativity that everybody displays towards everybody else behind the smiles, everywhere you go, oh God

Sometimes I forced myself to only speak Tagalog among people, because once they hear my American English, I get jokes, remarks, jealousies, and jacked up prices for everything, if the bag I was buying cost 50 pesos, once the Filipino hears my American accent, it becomes 5000 pesos. Jesus Christ, that's what makes me ashamed of other Filipinos (but never makes me ashamed to BE Filipino, which I never will, there's a difference)

garzland<<< guapo!


It's not a good idea to buy Filipino when you're overseas because the Filipinos who sell Filipino products are selfish, and overcharge just to try to make money. They'll sell Eskinol for seven dollars, when it only costs 50 pesos (1 dollar) back home, Filipino magazines for $5 when it only costs 75 pesos (1 dollar and 50 cents) back home, Filipino DVDs for $15-20 when they only cost 400 pesos (8 dollars) back home, MANY FILIPINOS WHEN THEY REACH OVERSEAS BECOME THE NEW FERDINAND MARCOSES OF THE WORLD, sad but true.

My old landlady in New York, who was Filipina, tried to charge me an extra $300 a month for Air conditioning during the summer, when in reality, the electricity bill would realistically only add about $20-40 a month, GRABE!!!!!

MANY FILIPINOS ARE LIKE THIS OVERSEAS, AND DISPLAY MANY NEGATIVE TYPES OF ATTITUDES NOT JUST IN MONEY, BUT IN HOW THEY TREAT OTHER FILIPINOS AS WELL, THAT'S WHY I DON'T TRUST OTHER FILIPINOS RIGHT AWAY WHEN I MEET THEM...I'M NATURALLY SUSPICIOUS, AND FOR GOOD REASON HEHE

Maybe thos Flipinos you met are "westernized" well i still can see Filipinos give up their bedroom for their visitors ;)

AH YEA, i can't stand Wowowee, and Willie Revillame, because of the way it's okay for him to put down other Filipinos, but it's all in the name of a joke, but he goes too far many times, but everybody just laughs it off as if it's ok, that's what encourages negative attitudes of Filipinos, I noticed when I visited, it seems okay to make fun of others even in your close friends and family even to the point of hurting their feelings all the time, but if you say anything, you're pikon, IT'S NATURAL FOR FILIPINOS TO PUT DOWN OTHER FILIPINOS, IT'S INGRAINED INTO THE CULTURE, IN OUR JOKES WITH EACH OTHER, IN OUR MOVIES AND TV, AND IT'S A NORMAL THING, which is sad, and I noticed this, even among barkada they'll say the meanest things to each other, in groups of friends in the US, you'll never hear "friends" talking to each other the way Filipinos disparage their "friends" even if it's a joke, it's crab mentality that has become so ingrained into the Filipino culture to the point that it's normal for a Filipino mother to say a disparaging joke to her son/daughter or for a "friend" to say something mean to another "friend" and still be friends afterwards, it's so normal for most Filipinos that they don't even notice it


I think not all filipnos "backstab" he's own brother... humans do this in Roman times, remember Julius Caesar? ;)

I am proud of the Filipino's

1. Ingenuity in the field of Performing Arts (the best singers, dancers and artists are here!)
2. Irresistable Hospitality, the way we comfort other people despite the fact that they are different/foreign/strange.
3. Invincible Happiness, despite the hardships we've all been through, we're still one of the world's happiest people
4. Ability to find the BEST anything out of the WORST everything, the Pinoy's genius in creating stuff from garbage, finding ways in a seemingly impossible world and our creativity in finding use for unconventional materials
5. The Filipino's Drive for Inter-personal Socialization, imagine, just by sitting in a bench in some secluded area, may friend ka na kaagad? Never in my life have I known of some other nationalities na nag-eenjoy sa chismisan, inuman and other social activities, plus we treat fellows as though kapatid natin sila. Others kasi kapag ibang tao, ibang tao talaga, di pwede sa Pinas yun!
6. The Beautiful Filipina, heck, we've got the most beautiful women in the world! Di lang sa panlabas, importante ang nasa loob!
7. Ability to EXCEL in ANY FIELD, if given chance, siguro we could become the most well-achieved race sa buong mundo. Problem is, human beings are too obsessed with anything Western or anything Chinese nowadays.

that's great, i like what you're writing

http://www.nacionalistaparty.com/leaders/cayetano.jpg

^^ People like him make me ashamed of being a Filipino. Plus the fact that our fellow countrymen are moronic enough to even think of voting for him even though he has done NOTHING but pull our country down is just pathetic. Why run for political office for the sole purpose of bringing our country down for his own personal glory? :no:

Actually, frankly thinking...there is supposedly nothing to be ashamed of being Filipino at all!

Poverty? Is that a reason for shame? Having a developing status is just natural for a country with such a turbulent past. When I see documentaries or comments about poverty in the Philippines, it just makes me very sad for such a beautiful country to experience such harsh standards of living and it just strives me to aim for economic progress.

What I noticed is that many Filipinos abroad are ashamed of their own cultur, language and sometimes even race...they give malice to it making a feeling of inferiority. Weird...

Real things to be ashamed of if there are any reasons for any...

Colonial mentality, take advantage attitude among ourselves, sosyal culture...mata pobre...arrogance of the intellectual people...and the irresponsibility of politicians are are on top of society...mga palpak, bobo, walang pake alam at damdamin para sa pagunlad ng lipunan at bansa...mga tanga!

i agree thunderflif these are the very things that prevent the country from progressing.

http://www.nacionalistaparty.com/leaders/cayetano.jpg

^^ People like him make me ashamed of being a Filipino. Plus the fact that our fellow countrymen are moronic enough to even think of voting for him even though he has done NOTHING but pull our country down is just pathetic. Why run for political office for the sole purpose of bringing our country down for his own personal glory? :no:

:D :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well said...

Ngek, ngek! Isa pa yan...pilosopo talaga...may lahi pang amerikano kaya kiniquestion pa ang nationality at citizenship, mwhahahahhaha!!!!!

One backward thing about the country is the lack of knowledge and understanding of the country's ethnic and cultural diversity. Politicians and public officials love to question people's ancestries and tend to slap it or even use it against other people, my goodness...

Accusations against...

Edu Manzano, Fernando Poe Jr., and the Cayetanos for being Americans?

Alfredo Lim and loads of others for being Chinese?

Mwahahahha!!!!!! Grabeng backward, no? I mean, isn't the Philippines a diverse country? Duh, tanga!...10% of our population has Chinese ancestry, 52% have Chinese genes...3.6% or .9 million Filipino Mestizos (Spanish,American) exist in the country with a higher percent of Filipinos with western geenpools...

Why the hell accuse a fellow patriot of having foreign blood! Just because of their surname that is Lim, Tan, Chua or Sy??? Poe? My god, get a life people...they are all Filipinos, they were born here, other lived here fir many generations, they are all Filipinos, my goodness. Hindi naman sila mga bobo at tatakbo sa pwesto kung alam nilang foreigner sila. I mean that's common sense that you have to be a Filipino citizen in order to engage in politics...

WHat about Cojuanco, Lacson, Osmana and all these people, don't they have Chinese ancestry...Wasn't Pres. Quezon a Spanish mestizo...does that make them unFilipino...to all these people with backward thinking, get a life!

http://www.nacionalistaparty.com/leaders/cayetano.jpg

^^ People like him make me ashamed of being a Filipino. Plus the fact that our fellow countrymen are moronic enough to even think of voting for him even though he has done NOTHING but pull our country down is just pathetic. Why run for political office for the sole purpose of bringing our country down for his own personal glory? :no:

I hope you can find a pic better than the one posted. It gives no justice to a :nuts: like him.:lol: :lol: :lol:

garzland / or Mr. Alex Lacson

The whole article puts the onus of nation building entirely on the backs of the poor OFWs. These people are thousands of miles away laboring, at times even slaving away just to send dollar remittances to the mother country. That is simply too much for the poor chaps.

If the premise is true that for each Filipino OFW he/she has 4 family members, would it not be better if ALL 5 of them (the 4 members and OFW), each take up the cudgels of nation building and trying to turn our country around? Ano'ng ginagawa ng mga naiwang miembro ng pamilya?

Hindi naman beyond reach ang mga OFW. Saan ba nag-umpisa ang isang typical OFW? Nag-umpisa naman silang lahat, kasama na ang ibang mga mamamayan ng Pilipinas, sa isang typical na tahanang Pilipino, sa typical na eskuwelahang Pilipino. Sabay sabay namang lumaki ang mga yan kasama ng lahat.

I propose that the article be best addressed to ALL members of society, especially to the ones who still remain in the Phils., and are still able to make a difference with their votes and their work attitudes.


BTW, gents, who is Alan Cayetano and what are his misdeeds and why should we avoid voting for him? I need updating pls...

;12663734']Filipinos who are ashamed of being Filipinos..na hala pasi oi

If the premise of the question is "What makes [you] ashamed of being a Filipino", and your answer is, "Filipinos who are ashamed of being Filipinos.", then does it mean that you are ashamed of being a Filipino, if the condition exists that there are Filipinos who are ashamed of being a Filipino. hahah...

Wala, kagigising ko lang. Distorted pa thinking process ko.

Philosopher @rajah Jude, p a k i-explain nga kung logical based on your studies on philosophical and logical thinking.

@Mods: Please correct the title.

I am proud of the Filipino because there exists a phenomenon called the Filipino musical talent. I don't know where else to put this post.

There is a huge, and I emphasize the word HUGE, arc stretching from Korea & Japan way up north all the way up to the outer reaches of the Middles East. In all the major & minor hotels of this huge arc, all the major & minor bars, restaurants and tourist hubs, Filipino musical bands and artists rock, and boy, they really rock! They're all good at their craft and all the foreigners take notice and acknowledge it. Several foreigners have come up to me and asked me about this built-in musical ability, our good voices & good rhythym. There seems to be no tangible explanation to it all. In Asia, there is a saying, "each & every Filipino is born with a guitar or a microphone."

Paano kasi ang ibang mga di 'tulad natin, ang sasagwa/ ang sasama talagang kumanta ewan kung bakit?

because of this:
FIunlVd9oRY


and millions of other things i can't just put to words.. :)

me am very proud that me am filipino, because our english, we are very good, we speak english, very good, not like other countries, no they dont speak english like us filipinos, not very good...

... BTW, gents, who is Alan Cayetano and what are his misdeeds and why should we avoid voting for him? I need updating pls...

Alan Peter Cayetano...

So young, yet so trapo...

Just watch any Philippine news program and see for yourself :)

what makes me ashamed of being a Filipino is that there are so many Filipinos who are ashamed of their own country..

As a foreign residing in your country the one thing that infuriates me is:

filipinos who try and con foreigners out of money. my wife's cousin told her to ask me for money to start a business. he said that because im a foreigner they should try and get money out of me!!! disgusting.

Cebu makes me proud being part of the Philippines. :)

^ Some Filipinos con other Filipinos out of their money. It has nothing to do with you being a foreigner or that person being a Filipino. It has something to do with that person being a sorry ass con man.

^ Some Filipinos con other Filipinos out of their money. It has nothing to do with you being a foreigner or that person being a Filipino. It has something to do with that person being a sorry ass con man.

no, he justified his actions by referring to me as a foreigner. i think in his eyes this makes me fair game.

also, contacted a palawan real estate broker about buying land there. i made enqiries about a couple of pieces of land. the broker then said I could make a deposit of 40% of the value and pay them the remaining 60% once they had dealt with the paperwork!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

me am very proud that me am filipino, because our english, we are very good, we speak english, very good, not like other countries, no they dont speak english like us filipinos, not very good...

Bery bery good. I see they teaching you correct English grammar. Pilipinos the third largest English speaking nation apter all. Is I'm right?

^ People who have money there are fair game to predators who want to victimize them. That is only justification for him. That is the reason why there are fraudulent schemes there like "budong-budong" or "magic". Some relatives ask their more affluent kin (or even friends) for "seed money" to start up a business without any terms on when the money will be returned or any interest, if at all. Also, when a predatory person finds out that one is a person of means, they up the ante and give you higher price.

Well yes, because it is very evident perhaps by your physical appearance that you are "not a native", that person thought you were fair game.

^ People who have money there are fair game to predators who want to victimize them. That is only justification for him. That is the reason why there are fraudulent schemes there like "budong-budong" or "magic". Some relatives ask their more affluent kin for "seed money" to start up a business.

thats why my wife refuses to give handouts to family. in fact, she referres to them as parasites.

Yeah, at least your wife knows her priorities and protects your conjugal interests. Some Pinays married to foreigners encourage this type of leeching by relatives.

yup, please change the title. it should be: "what makes me" or "what makes us" ashamed of being a Filipino. Pero personally ha, I think this thread is just the same as the "What makes us proud" thread. Pareho lang naman nilang inaasses ang situation sa country by giving our perspectives. And I really hate people who are so ashamed of their own country in all aspects (meaning political, social, cultural, economic etc.). Para mo talaga kasing kinahiya ang sarili mong pamilya at pati na rin katauhan mo.

“Envy consists in seeing things never in themselves, but only in their relations. If you desire glory, you may envy Napoleon, but Napoleon envied Caesar, Caesar envied Alexander, and Alexander, I daresay, envied Hercules, who never existed.”
-Bertrand Russell quotes (English Logician and Philosopher 1872-1970)

Look at this site (http://thinkexist.com/quotations/envy/), you'll see how envy is perceived by other people. Perhaps, we envy our neighbors too much that's why we are so ashamed of ourselves.

^kulit. :lol:

Anyway, I think things would be better here if we would just give our suggestions on how to improve our assets/strengths and how to minimize our liabilities/weaknesses.

I'm ashamed there's almost twice as much posts in this thread than in the "proud of being a Filipino" thread.

AH YEA, i can't stand Wowowee, and Willie Revillame, because of the way it's okay for him to put down other Filipinos, but it's all in the name of a joke, but he goes too far many times, but everybody just laughs it off as if it's ok, that's what encourages negative attitudes of Filipinos, I noticed when I visited, it seems okay to make fun of others even in your close friends and family even to the point of hurting their feelings all the time, but if you say anything, you're pikon, IT'S NATURAL FOR FILIPINOS TO PUT DOWN OTHER FILIPINOS, IT'S INGRAINED INTO THE CULTURE, IN OUR JOKES WITH EACH OTHER, IN OUR MOVIES AND TV, AND IT'S A NORMAL THING, which is sad, and I noticed this, even among barkada they'll say the meanest things to each other, in groups of friends in the US, you'll never hear "friends" talking to each other the way Filipinos disparage their "friends" even if it's a joke, it's crab mentality that has become so ingrained into the Filipino culture to the point that it's normal for a Filipino mother to say a disparaging joke to her son/daughter or for a "friend" to say something mean to another "friend" and still be friends afterwards, it's so normal for most Filipinos that they don't even notice it

It's like bullying, a Filipino when given a chance to bully will bully another person, because everybody bullies everybody around in the Philippines, the police to an average person, the government to the people, the friend to the other friend, the cousin to the younger cousin just because he's jealous of what the other cousin has

This is one of the the psychological forces that keeps our people down, I swear, I felt myself being pulled down to the ground everytime I visited, just the jealousies people have and the negativity that everybody displays towards everybody else behind the smiles, everywhere you go, oh God

Sometimes I forced myself to only speak Tagalog among people, because once they hear my American English, I get jokes, remarks, jealousies, and jacked up prices for everything, if the bag I was buying cost 50 pesos, once the Filipino hears my American accent, it becomes 5000 pesos. Jesus Christ, that's what makes me ashamed of other Filipinos (but never makes me ashamed to BE Filipino, which I never will, there's a difference)

Well, it doesn't happen to me whenever I get back home. I enjoy them as much as the local residents are used to each other. Keeping yourself @ low profile and humility can save you the nasty treatment in any country. I find Filipinos easier to deal with as long as marunong kang makiusap ng maayos. Just like what they say: Be a Roman if you're in Rome. You don't force yourself to speak Tagalog but rather go with the flow.

i was born, raised and university educated in the u.s. but i consider myself 100% pinoy and proud of it! what bothers me is when i hear others bad mouth or talk bad about the philippines. i realize it is a developing nation, but that is no excuse to speak badly of your country of origin as if it's people are second rate to the west! F that! in speaking about the philippines with non filipino co-workers or associates i always stress the positive about the philippines and the wonderful people. how do these people ever except the philippines to attract investments to pull it up to first world status when they themselves continue to bad mouth it? baffles me? be proud of who you are people!

g

were so negative here... how about... " what's make me proud of being a Filipino"

nothing to be ashamed of...

well this is not an english class...so okay na yun..I think everybody undersood what it really meant...pa correct lang sa moderator..

Okay done.

22o minsn ang kinaiinisan ko rin satin e ung txt na ganto, minsan d ko rin maintindhan pinagsasabi ko...maxado...tapos meron pang xpresion na hmmpfh sa dulo anggara asin senador...somthing like that

^^ :lol: nag text lingo para umiksi, tapos sa dulo may expression pang hmmmpfh na mahaba. :hilarious

no, he justified his actions by referring to me as a foreigner. i think in his eyes this makes me fair game.

also, contacted a palawan real estate broker about buying land there. i made enqiries about a couple of pieces of land. the broker then said I could make a deposit of 40% of the value and pay them the remaining 60% once they had dealt with the paperwork!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


i think it's more because majority of the local Filipinos think foreigners (esp if you're light skinned - Caucasian or Asian) are rich. and in general, anyone who is deemed rich gets "victimized" - even Filipino OFWs. a sad fact IMO

i was born, raised and university educated in the u.s. but i consider myself 100% pinoy and proud of it! what bothers me is when i hear others bad mouth or talk bad about the philippines. i realize it is a developing nation, but that is no excuse to speak badly of your country of origin as if it's people are second rate to the west! F that! in speaking about the philippines with non filipino co-workers or associates i always stress the positive about the philippines and the wonderful people. how do these people ever except the philippines to attract investments to pull it up to first world status when they themselves continue to bad mouth it? baffles me? be proud of who you are people!

g

you're one of the people whom the country should be proud of. Mabuhay ka!

I agree with Lito Camo, Willie Revilliame and et al. for being a disgrace to our country, but I think they just represent one of the inevitable flaws of every culture. Most cultures have those personalities in them, so even if they're disgraceful, they don't make me ashamed of being a Filipino because they don't represent the majority and values of Filipinos.

actually it irritates me is when a pnoy pretends not to know tagalog. o kaya yung mga pnoy na hindi naman lumaki dito tapos pag kinausap mo, e alam naman at magaling magtagalog tapos nagmamaang-maangang pa, tapos maguusap pa kayo ng english haha. tapos gaganunin ka pa huh. what are you talking about? i dont understand you?im like whaaaaaat? xempre ako naman masa-shock iniisip ko kanina ang lalim ng tagalog nito tapos ngayon may paganito-ganito pa'to. nakakain siguro to ng tae kaya lumandi haha. maybe it's my perspective because i have cousins, nephews, and nieces thats been here since their fetus days, they understand, speak, and know tagalog in heart. syempre obvious naman pag nasa harap ng ibang lahi para hindi rude noh pero pag kayo kayo na lang please magtagalog na lang haha...

Ngek, ngek! Isa pa yan...pilosopo talaga...may lahi pang amerikano kaya kiniquestion pa ang nationality at citizenship, mwhahahahhaha!!!!!

One backward thing about the country is the lack of knowledge and understanding of the country's ethnic and cultural diversity. Politicians and public officials love to question people's ancestries and tend to slap it or even use it against other people, my goodness...

Accusations against...

Edu Manzano, Fernando Poe Jr., and the Cayetanos for being Americans?

Alfredo Lim and loads of others for being Chinese?

Mwahahahha!!!!!! Grabeng backward, no? I mean, isn't the Philippines a diverse country? Duh, tanga!...10% of our population has Chinese ancestry, 52% have Chinese genes...3.6% or .9 million Filipino Mestizos (Spanish,American) exist in the country with a higher percent of Filipinos with western geenpools...

Why the hell accuse a fellow patriot of having foreign blood! Just because of their surname that is Lim, Tan, Chua or Sy??? Poe? My god, get a life people...they are all Filipinos, they were born here, other lived here fir many generations, they are all Filipinos, my goodness. Hindi naman sila mga bobo at tatakbo sa pwesto kung alam nilang foreigner sila. I mean that's common sense that you have to be a Filipino citizen in order to engage in politics...

WHat about Cojuanco, Lacson, Osmana and all these people, don't they have Chinese ancestry...Wasn't Pres. Quezon a Spanish mestizo...does that make them unFilipino...to all these people with backward thinking, get a life!

Exactly. And don't forget that Corazon Aquino is Chinese from the Cojuanco. Even Jose Rizal was part Chinese, and Andres Bonifacio was half Spanish.

Well, it doesn't happen to me whenever I get back home. I enjoy them as much as the local residents are used to each other. Keeping yourself @ low profile and humility can save you the nasty treatment in any country. I find Filipinos easier to deal with as long as marunong kang makiusap ng maayos. Just like what they say: Be a Roman if you're in Rome. You don't force yourself to speak Tagalog but rather go with the flow.

Ang yabang mo, same as before, I can't stand when others like you tell me "oh well it doesn't happen to me" as if you were any better, when people do that it's just another way to be mayabang and show off. Ugh, I don't like you, you're exactly the type of Filipino that other Filipinos are ashamed of, a hypocrite, talking about being humble and giving others arrogant advice on humility and yet always finding subtle ways to show off towards other Filipinos, I'm not gonna read any of your replies I'm just gonna skip over them and scroll down, so too bad, whatever you write won't affect me cause I won't read it. Smile :)

I don't care what happens to you when you go back home because we're not gonna have the same experiences cause we're two different people, you can't compare yourself to me. I've always been humble whenever in the Philippines, in the US, wherever I go because I grew up with the values that people may not have that much money but you should respect them the same, but humility doesn't cure bad attitudes of other Filipinos and that's a fact, it's gonna stop some Filipinos from being jealous of you and acting out on that jealousy.

^ People who have money there are fair game to predators who want to victimize them. That is only justification for him. That is the reason why there are fraudulent schemes there like "budong-budong" or "magic". Some relatives ask their more affluent kin (or even friends) for "seed money" to start up a business without any terms on when the money will be returned or any interest, if at all. Also, when a predatory person finds out that one is a person of means, they up the ante and give you higher price.

That is so true Lili my dear.

Ang yabang mo, same as before, I can't stand when others like you tell me "oh well it doesn't happen to me" as if you were any better, when people do that it's just another way to be mayabang and show off. Ugh, I don't like you, you're exactly the type of Filipino that other Filipinos are ashamed of, a hypocrite, talking about being humble and giving others arrogant advice on humility and yet always finding subtle ways to show off towards other Filipinos, I'm not gonna read any of your replies I'm just gonna skip over them and scroll down, so too bad, whatever you write won't affect me cause I won't read it. Smile :)

I don't care what happens to you when you go back home because we're not gonna have the same experiences cause we're two different people, you can't compare yourself to me. I've always been humble whenever in the Philippines, in the US, wherever I go because I grew up with the values that people may not have that much money but you should respect them the same, but humility doesn't cure bad attitudes of other Filipinos and that's a fact, it's gonna stop some Filipinos from being jealous of you and acting out on that jealousy.

Well, It doesn't really happen to me yet and I don't want that to happen to me. It's the truth. It worked out for me.

actually it irritates me is when a pnoy pretends not to know tagalog. o kaya yung mga pnoy na hindi naman lumaki dito tapos pag kinausap mo, e alam naman at magaling magtagalog tapos nagmamaang-maangang pa, tapos maguusap pa kayo ng english haha. tapos gaganunin ka pa huh. what are you talking about? i dont understand you?im like whaaaaaat? xempre ako naman masa-shock iniisip ko kanina ang lalim ng tagalog nito tapos ngayon may paganito-ganito pa'to. nakakain siguro to ng tae kaya lumandi haha. maybe it's my perspective because i have cousins, nephews, and nieces thats been here since their fetus days, they understand, speak, and know tagalog in heart. syempre obvious naman pag nasa harap ng ibang lahi para hindi rude noh pero pag kayo kayo na lang please magtagalog na lang haha...

yan yung mga taong tawag pa "noka" ( wag mo nalang alamin ano yan sa bisaya :D) " karamihan pa nyan mahilg mag bangka hindi sa outing ...bangka ng istorya :lol:

yung isang friend ko rin sabi nya di na daw siya babalik sa Pinas dahil napapangitan daw siya dito ..haha wala pang isang taon umuwi .

pero yung ibang pinoy talaga ang hilig mang hingi , tatampo pag di mabigyan :bash:

Funny how some Filipinos do those "I don't care" attitude, or "Bahala ka" and even here, me panakot pang kasama. :lol:

We see things the way they are, we badmouth some of them or we praise some of them but do all of us see what we really are?

Ano ang dahilan kung bakit ikahihiya natin ang pagiging Pilipino?

Dahil ba sa ..............

Maraming katangian ang Pilipino na hindi sang-ayon sa kapwa niya Pilipino?

Example lang, katulad ng mga Ilokano na nabansagan na kuripot, ito ba ay isang dahilan upang ikahiya sila? They are just plain resourceful just like my father who grew up in Pangasinan. There are some traits of Filipinos that might not be in favor to some of us.
O' Katulad ng mga TV show hosts, ikinahihiya niyo ba sila dahil sila ay nagbibigay ng pansamantalang aliw sa mga nagnanais na manalo man lang ng kahit na ano? Sa tingin ng mga tao na matyagang manood sa mga pananghaliang palatuntunan na iyon ay ito ang kanilang kalutasan sa pagkabugnot sa kanilang buhay. Just get along with others o makisakay na lang. O kaya, stand up and be counted in changing things in the country for good. Be an honest politician. (inaykupu!)

And no need to show here what kind of education, living standard or whatever you have in life, things will show up in the long run. :lol:

Funny how some Filipinos do those "I don't care" attitude, or "Bahala ka" and even here, me panakot pang kasama. :lol:

We see things the way they are, we badmouth some of them or we praise some of them but do all of us see what we really are?

Ano ang dahilan kung bakit ikahihiya natin ang pagiging Pilipino?

Dahil ba sa ..............

Maraming katangian ang Pilipino na hindi sang-ayon sa kapwa niya Pilipino?

Example lang, katulad ng mga Ilokano na nabansagan na kuripot, ito ba ay isang dahilan upang ikahiya sila? They are just plain resourceful just like my father who grew up in Pangasinan. There are some traits of Filipinos that might not be in favor to some of us.
O' Katulad ng mga TV show hosts, ikinahihiya niyo ba sila dahil sila ay nagbibigay ng pansamantalang aliw sa mga nagnanais na manalo man lang ng kahit na ano? Sa tingin ng mga tao na matyagang manood sa mga pananghaliang palatuntunan na iyon ay ito ang kanilang kalutasan sa pagkabugnot sa kanilang buhay. Just get along with others o makisakay na lang. O kaya, stand up and be counted in changing things in the country for good. Be an honest politician. (inaykupu!)

And no need to show here what kind of education, living standard or whatever you have in life, things will show up in the long run. :lol:

I do have some FBI and HBI acquaintances and never did it occur to me that they are kuripot. Sa tingin kaya sila nababansagang kuripot kasi hindi sila show off. Nanlilibre rin sila pero hindi yung tipong gagastosan mo ibang tao para magpakitang gilas. I had this classmate from Ilocos Sur, he looks very simple and hindi siya magastos but they're earning huge bucks since importer(or exporter? di ako sure) ng wines ang family business nila.

I find this discussion here interesting: http://www.philippinepolitics.net/boards/showthread.php?t=707

It's a POV from a poreynjer who have been living in the Phils for 10 years now.

I don't feel proud nor ashamed to be Pinoy but I hate a lot of Pinoy attitudes like:

Lack of perseverance of employees. Karamihan, "suweldo" lang ang gusto. They don't really want jobs... resulting to ppor service. Just like this incident na hindi bibihira. My friend was looking for a mickey mouse pillow, nagtanong siya sa sales assistant, sabi niya wala. Then sinamahan ko bestfriend ko tumingin ulit the same day..aba..may nahalungkat ako!

Then, here is a more obnoxious incident my profin Entrep Mktg encountered. Nsa Figaro siya. Tinanong niya yung nakatoka kung ano ang best coffee nila, una walang imik yung babae... tapos tanong ulet si prof ko... sagot nung nakatoka "ewan ko, hindi ko alam, di ko pa naman natitikman"...

There are assistants na okay naman pero maraming ewan talaga...suweldo lang ata nila hinihintay habang nakatayo.

Kinaiinisan ko rin yung machismo culture... tkahit balot na balout ka sa damit, hindi pa rin natatakasan ng mga babaeng may "natural beauty"(hehe) na masutsutan at makindatan ng mga manyakis diyan sa tabi.

Tapos, lack of basic values. Don't you find it annoying na basta basta ka nalang kakalabitin kapagmay gustong magpaabot ng pamasahe? One time, nainis ako, sabi ko sa babae... "sabihin mo naman na pakiabot hindi yung nangangalabit ka lang". Then yung mga ibang naggrogrocery alam naman nila na may nabangga silang stocks, walang pakialam.

I don't even understand the mentality of many Filipino who are proud that they infact violated the rules. Proud sila na nagnakaw sila, proud sila na nagjaywalk sila, proud na nag uturn

Don't you also hate the Pinoy mentality na "bawal lang kapag nahuli ka". Oh goodness gracious. Disaster. How can we reform our country if both the society and government are equally ill-disiplined.

^^ Ah oo nga, proud to have broken the rules and gotten away with it. Para bang gustong sabihin, "Ang galing ko talaga!!!" :ohno:

I find this discussion here interesting: http://www.philippinepolitics.net/boards/showthread.php?t=707
It's a POV from a poreynjer who have been living in the Phils for 10 years now.

I don't feel proud nor ashamed to be Pinoy but I hate a lot of Pinoy attitudes like:

Lack of perseverance of employees. Karamihan, "suweldo" lang ang gusto. They don't really want jobs... resulting to ppor service. Just like this incident na hindi bibihira. My friend was looking for a mickey mouse pillow, nagtanong siya sa sales assistant, sabi niya wala. Then sinamahan ko bestfriend ko tumingin ulit the same day..aba..may nahalungkat ako!

Then, here is a more obnoxious incident my profin Entrep Mktg encountered. Nsa Figaro siya. Tinanong niya yung nakatoka kung ano ang best coffee nila, una walang imik yung babae... tapos tanong ulet si prof ko... sagot nung nakatoka "ewan ko, hindi ko alam, di ko pa naman natitikman"...

There are assistants na okay naman pero maraming ewan talaga...suweldo lang ata nila hinihintay habang nakatayo.

etong ugali na to meron rin dito yan sa min so di lang pang pinoy to. usually sa mga dep't stores mo to ma experience pag may pinahanap ka na items sa kanila sabihin lang nila wala dahil tamad na maghanap when in fact meron. kelangan mo pa magsigaw mag taas nang boses para gumalaw sila...walang common sense...nakakagigil kung minsan.


IKinaiinisan ko rin yung machismo culture... tkahit balot na balout ka sa damit, hindi pa rin natatakasan ng mga babaeng may "natural beauty"(hehe) na masutsutan at makindatan ng mga manyakis diyan sa tabi.

oo nga tuloy parang ang hirap mag suot nang sexy na damit sa pinas lalo pa wag wala kang kasama, sa ibang bansa wala namang pakialam even if you wear skimpy clothes.


Tapos, lack of basic values. Don't you find it annoying na basta basta ka nalang kakalabitin kapagmay gustong magpaabot ng pamasahe? One time, nainis ako, sabi ko sa babae... "sabihin mo naman na pakiabot hindi yung nangangalabit ka lang". Then yung mga ibang naggrogrocery alam naman nila na may nabangga silang stocks, walang pakialam.

hay totoo to, i find this so irritating also pag bigla ka na lang kalabitin, i really hate the feeling kaya ako i make sure i let the person know na galit ako by giving him/her a stern sharp look.

I don't even understand the mentality of many Filipino who are proud that they infact violated the rules. Proud sila na nagnakaw sila, proud sila na nagjaywalk sila, proud na nag uturn

Don't you also hate the Pinoy mentality na "bawal lang kapag nahuli ka". Oh goodness gracious. Disaster. How can we reform our country if both the society and government are equally ill-disiplined.

^^ sinabi mo na ata halos lahat he he may dagdag lang ako konti...kinahihiya ko yung mga pinoy na utang nang utang tapos di marunong mag bayad o kung hindi mo pautangin tawagin kang kuripot o kung anu ano pa. uso rin ba sa ibang bansa ang utang sa tingin ko parang hindi eh, dito sa min parang di pa ako nakarinig nang taong nag u utang sa tin naman kahit hindi nila kaya bumili o mag bayad utang pa rin tapos pag nag astig pa kala mo kung sino na mayaman yon pala utang naman lahat. inis rin ako sa mga tamad yung mga istambay sa daan tapos ang aga pa nag iinuman na. yung mga tao na wala na ngang pera tapos anak pa nang anak.

hi, its my first tym in this thread!!

for me,

it's the philippine politics and elections....

news about politician harassing each other never ends and they are always seen on television..

world organizations are in doubt that we can even have a fair and "believable" election...i think, thats very embarassing...

Funny how some Filipinos do those "I don't care" attitude, or "Bahala ka" and even here, me panakot pang kasama. :lol:

The 'Bahala na' attitude in combination with indifference (I don't care attitude) is limiting the Filipinos from achieving its full potential. Excellence is hardly achievable when mediocrity is the standard dictated by the fatalistic mindset.

The 'Bahala na' attitude has a profound impact on the way Filipino deals with crises face to face. He reacts from it with censure more than formulating his next steps by swallowing pride, admitting his past mistakes and learn from it.

I do have some FBI and HBI acquaintances and never did it occur to me that they are kuripot. Sa tingin kaya sila nababansagang kuripot kasi hindi sila show off. Nanlilibre rin sila pero hindi yung tipong gagastosan mo ibang tao para magpakitang gilas. I had this classmate from Ilocos Sur, he looks very simple and hindi siya magastos but they're earning huge bucks since importer(or exporter? di ako sure) ng wines ang family business nila.

Naku ang daming magarbo na Pinoy dito talaga. To be recognized o para sikat sila, they would spend a lot of money on any gatherings or family celebrations.
As I said from the other thread, "masarap makikain" na lang. :nuts: At masarap din makisama, ang masama lang, marami ding Pinoy na ayaw magpatalo sa iba.
Their attitude of "Mine is better than yours" is always there.
Pag me isa kang asawa, sila lima ang asawa nila. :lol:

And about those unwanted politicians, just think about who put them there in the first place.

Well, It doesn't really happen to me yet and I don't want that to happen to me. It's the truth. It worked out for me.

Baka naman hindi nangyayari sayo eh dahil wala pa din pera sa abroad?...hahahahah..joke lang...

Baka naman hindi nangyayari sayo eh dahil wala pa din pera sa abroad?...hahahahah..joke lang...

oo, pooreigner ako eh. :lol:

Naku ang daming magarbo na Pinoy dito talaga. To be recognized o para sikat sila, they would spend a lot of money on any gatherings or family celebrations.
As I said from the other thread, "masarap makikain" na lang. :nuts: At masarap din makisama, ang masama lang, marami ding Pinoy na ayaw magpatalo sa iba.
Their attitude of "Mine is better than yours" is always there.
Pag me isa kang asawa, sila lima ang asawa nila. :lol:

And about those unwanted politicians, just think about who put them there in the first place.


I remember these classmates of mine in highschool. Umuutang sa amin para lang PANG GIMMICK. Tapos kapag sisingilin mo, sasabihin nila, next time, next time, next time. Buti sana kung para sa basic needs yung, baka ilibre ko pa siya, pero hindi eh, mangungutang para may pang gimmick. =(

Naalala ko pa yung utang na sampung piso na ayaw bayaran. That was five years ago.

The complaints of Navartek is indeed true. But...for people who recognizes these issues, you should feel lucky because you had been educated or exposed to corporate culture either here or in other countries.

We should not condemn these people or talk about them, but instead, we should talk on how to educate them. For one, it heartens me, whenever I see a family in the airport being torn apart because one member of the family has to go to feed the surviving family. But...sometimes, I think, that person who will go abroad will have an international exposure, education, and differentiate other cultures from her/his own culture where they grew up.

It's a 2 way traffic on both ends...for us being on the advantage side, we just need to understand and it is our responsibility to educate the less fortunate.

oo, pooreigner ako eh. :lol:

hahahaha..:lol: that's a nice one

Bayanihan wins in Folkloric Dance Festival in Spain
:righton:

Cande Bayanihan, the national dance company of the Philippines founded by Chairman Emeritus Helena Benitez, won the Absolute Winner award Sunday, besting 50 dance groups from all over the world that joined in the international competition in the 12th World Folkdance Festival in Spain.


Palma de Mallorca, the major city on the island of Mallorca and the capital city of the autonomous community of the Balearic Islands in Spain, is this year’s host of the festival.

The World Folkdance Festival that started in 1985, is held every two years and is one of the most important festivals in Europe. It was organized to join together various cultures. Folkdance groups from all over the world gather to share their cultures with one another through dance and music.

The highlight of the festival is the international competition where excellent performances by the dance groups with emphasis on the authenticity of their presentations are judged.

For its Hispanic journey, Bayanihan sent a 27-man delegation led by its directors Suzie Moya Benitez, Isabel Santos, Ferdinand Jose, and Melito Vale Cruz. The company flew to Madrid from the Kingdom of Bahrain where they participated in the Spring of Culture Festival in Bahrain.

In May, 2004, Bayanihan was in Alava, Spain, to participate in a Folk Festival. The following month, the dance company performed during the Universal Forum in Barcelona, Spain.

never think of this question until my hubby ask me one time, 'what makes you happy, smile everyday' and then i realize oh yeah i'm pinoy and proud of that. i don't know what's there in being pinoy that we love to sing even when we're sad, happy or even angry. and sometimes when he sees me clean our house sometimes when we don't have a maid, he would tease me and say 'oh you're back to yourself again being pinoy again, huh?' because he knows i'm a lazy type of person but just can't stand a dirty place:lol: . he just know and observes that pinoys love to clean everything everytime around them. When he visit the philippines he saw people cleaning from the morning till night, starting from sweeping the backyards to the house and then they usually do this diligently everyday. he says it's crazy but of course it's an asset that others don't have:lol:

Personally, I just don't like the crab mentality that's so much evident among pinoys especially if they are in a foreign land. Most often times, pinoys squeal on fellow pinoys abroad.

The complaints of Navartek is indeed true. But...for people who recognizes these issues, you should feel lucky because you had been educated or exposed to corporate culture either here or in other countries.



I don't think it's about corporate culture. These problems are even present among those who were able to have education.

The problem with many Pinoys is that many are having the mentality that being "bad"/"deviant" is cool. In fact I even see office people who spit on the sidewalks. Event he people who are supposed to be educated do not have manners.

Just like in SLU where vandalism and mutilation of school properties are not uncommon. Everywher you see, bad vandalisms --something like "press the button to eject teacher" or drawings of sex organs. I don't believe that these people are not taught values since their younger years.

The students of UC(as in where the top notcher came from) ar ebunch of notorious jaywalkrs even though the overpass and pedestrian lanes are a short walk from their jaywalking areas.

Or maybe this one, my favorite. Nakasulat na nga "No Loading and Unloading", sasabihin ng pasahero manong para. Mga ibang driver, pinagbibigyan kahit alam na bawal; kapag hindi pinagbigyan ng driver at ang driver ay masunurin, magagalit yung pasahero. Tapos kapag pagsasabihan, sasabihin: Ayoko nga, pakialam mo kasi. sa gusto ko nga bumaba dito"

DemocraZy.

Hehe

I personally do not think that Pinoys do not know these basic values. The problem is that many of us do not want to have values but many of us are too demanding for respect from other people. It's ironic. How can people respect you if you don't know how to respect people?

^^ add to this guys who piss anywhere on the streets or any kanto that make the streets bantot, stinks. last time i was in pinas a drunk guy from the neighborhood store pissed on the wall of our gates what i did was get the 'tirador' and shoot him while hiding from the terrace of our house well he's lucky i was just learning how to use the stuff or else his 'material' would be in disaster:lol:

No offense meant to anyone here in this thread but I find the title quite bothersome. It just doesn't seem right for any nationality to ask this question. It is just so blatantly negative and it is this kind of thinking that actually is detrimental to our development of true patriotism. How many of us grew up hearing remarks about fellow Filipinos uttered by none other than our parents that put Filipinos in a negative light? Didn't it affect our psyche? Didn't it automatically ingrain in your mind that Filipinos are this or that causing us to remark "Ay, Pinoy kasi e" whenever a Filipino does something less than desirable? This is the same as the creation of that character Juan Tamad who was supposed to be a tool to teach Filipino children on what not to be. Instead, it created an idea that Filipinos are naturally lazy causing the opposite effect. Why not create a character called Juan Masipag instead and teach our children what to be?

I think I understand Marcintexas' purpose for starting this thread, and it is definitely a noble one. If I may guess, his purpose was to ask what things we Filipinos should change or improve on. Perhaps that would be a better title? This is more of a positive reinforcement, I believe.

Just my two cents. Ay! 10 cents na pala dahil sa haba! :lol: Sorry if I rambled, it's getting close to my bedtime. :)

Bayanihan wins in Folkloric Dance Festival in Spain
:righton:

Cande Bayanihan, the national dance company of the Philippines founded by Chairman Emeritus Helena Benitez, won the Absolute Winner award Sunday, besting 50 dance groups from all over the world that joined in the international competition in the 12th World Folkdance Festival in Spain.


Palma de Mallorca, the major city on the island of Mallorca and the capital city of the autonomous community of the Balearic Islands in Spain, is this year’s host of the festival.

The World Folkdance Festival that started in 1985, is held every two years and is one of the most important festivals in Europe. It was organized to join together various cultures. Folkdance groups from all over the world gather to share their cultures with one another through dance and music.

The highlight of the festival is the international competition where excellent performances by the dance groups with emphasis on the authenticity of their presentations are judged.

For its Hispanic journey, Bayanihan sent a 27-man delegation led by its directors Suzie Moya Benitez, Isabel Santos, Ferdinand Jose, and Melito Vale Cruz. The company flew to Madrid from the Kingdom of Bahrain where they participated in the Spring of Culture Festival in Bahrain.

In May, 2004, Bayanihan was in Alava, Spain, to participate in a Folk Festival. The following month, the dance company performed during the Universal Forum in Barcelona, Spain.

Yep! The Bayanihan Dance Troupe has won several awards overseas. Their performance of the "Singkil" elicits standing ovations every time. The Madrigal Singers are also another group that we should be proud of. Are they both from UP, by the way?

yeah i would rather vote for manny paquiao than that darlene girl.
i hope he wins.

although we have a lot of stupid pinoys , there are lots of intelligent ones too.
just look at this forum for example. and most are just highschool kids. :)

Manny Pacquiao is far from being stupid. One can see it in the way he expresses himself, and more importantly, in how he has improved his craft to beat giants like Morales and Solis. Pacquiao is a living legend, and he would not have become what he is if he did not have the IQ to match. If Alan Peter Cayetano can aspire for the Senate simply by virtue of being the son of Rene Cayetano, without any achievement to speak of during his stint as congressman, how much more Pacquiao who has earned his name by dint of hard work, determination and street smarts?

We have been going on and on about the need for new blood in Congress. Unlike the present Congress composition of artistas and members of political clans, Pacquiao stands for the ordinary Filipino - the OFW, the office clerk, the mechanic - the everyman whom politicians patronize but whose interests remain marginalized in the legislature.

Hi folks I hope all of you are having a nice and blessed day wherever you may be. I am not a Filipino but I am a white American married to a beautiful Filpina from Butuan City on Mindanao Island. My wife and I have had to be very patient with one another because we are from two very different cultures. There are both pros and cons to each of our cultures.

The biggest problem that I see here in the United States with Filipinos is what someone mentioned before. "The Crab Mentality." It is more prevelant among the Pinays here than the Pinoys. I noticed that if there is a Filipina here that has more than the other Filipinas they will all gang up on the one Filipina to try and bring her down. They can't stand it if someone has a better car, house of more money than they do.

I told my wife that I don't understand this mentality at all. Truthfully folks my wife doesn't hang around Filipinas that engage in this crab mentality.

Hey, I have visited the Philippines three times already and we are planning our fourth trip next year. I love your country and the Philippine people. You guys have problems like we do here in the USA but overall the Philippines is a great country and I can't wait to visit again soon.

Hey what about the PACMAN winning his fight against the Mexican in Texas. My wife was going crazy if front of the TV. I actually got to see one of his fights in Davao City one year. He is a great fighter.

I am proud of the Filipino's

1. Ingenuity in the field of Performing Arts (the best singers, dancers and artists are here!)

Not just the performing arts, but the visual arts as well. I was browsing through deviantart (http://deviantart.com) and came across several Filipino artists. They're very good in drawing, painting and even do digital graphics. And a number of these kids are in their early to mid-teens. With such talent, they can be tapped by animation or videogame companies. Who knows, they may even help jumpstart that industry here in the Philippines.

well... I'd it's because of the well-rounded characteristic inherent to the Filipinos.... his excellence in art, music, service, hospitality.... our culture, natural wonders...

I'd say for myself, I'm proud to be Pinoy that I wouldn't trade my Philippine citizenship for anything.... :)

I will vote for Pacquio if I can...vote for nuns, priest, non-traditional people in congress....hindi yung sila sila lang....I am so glad that GMA is there now...just imagine if Erap is still the president....Noli becomes president....Loren becomes he president or FPJ.....siguro asa DARK AGES PA DIN TAYO NUN!

yes i did, ayoko lang kasing maging bias, di katulad ng iba na sobrang nabubulagan ng patriyotismo na kung minsan ay wala na rin sa lugar,

my two cents worth

I live in New Zealand, and when I ask people what they know about the Philippines, it's usually either of the two responses:

1. Manila and its slums
2. Imelda Marcos and her shoes

Manila isnt the ugliest city in the whole word, but it certainly has the most notorious reputation among all Asian cities.

Ironically, Metro Manila has one of the best skylines in Asia but this is easily marred by pollution & shanty towns.

I think bangkok, Jakarta will be comparable to Manila in terms of being notorious...well I really don't know in what sense of being notorious are you referring to?

Well at least the Thais were able to turn the notoriety of Bangkok into some sort of "lure" for tourists who crave to experience the "urban nightmare" of their capital city. In tourists reviews, I'm just shocked that many tourists enjoy the heat, hustle, bustle and traffic that Bangkok has. And then when they talk about Manila's or Jakarta's, they just go like this: :(

We were so proud when two Pinays entered American Idol Season 3, Camile Velasco and Jasmine Trias. Now, I wonder if the Indian community in the US or India as a whole are proud of their "manok", Sanjaya Malakar in this year's AI...

We were so proud when two Pinays entered American Idol Season 3, Camile Velasco and Jasmine Trias. Now, I wonder if the Indian community in the US or India as a whole are proud of their "manok", Sanjaya Malakar in this year's AI...

theres nothing to be proud of there... sanjaya is always safe from being at the bottom three because of those idol haters... they are rallying to vote for the worst! :D and they even created website http://www.votefortheworst.com ...

so expect sanjaya to stay at least until the top 4 ! hehehe :lol: :lol: :lol:

and for the topic... i appreciate the common traits inherent to all of us our resilience, adaptiveness and we are natural migrators ... thats why i believe even if our country eventualy recover economically... filipinos will still migrate because our fore fathers are the island hoppers of the past! its in our blood to travel and explore! hehehe

PS ... sa mga taga US ... dont forget to vote for sanjaya ... :D

Well at least the Thais were able to turn the notoriety of Bangkok into some sort of "lure" for tourists who crave to experience the "urban nightmare" of their capital city. In tourists reviews, I'm just shocked that many tourists enjoy the heat, hustle, bustle and traffic that Bangkok has. And then when they talk about Manila's or Jakarta's, they just go like this: :(

"One night in Bangkok and the world's your oyster". :)

Ingat sa bangkok..dami pa din may aids dun...use rubber ducky all the time...and don't kiss....safely reminder..

my two cents worth

I live in New Zealand, and when I ask people what they know about the Philippines, it's usually either of the two responses:

1. Manila and its slums


this is very obvious before maybe less than a decade ago because if i can remember from int'l airport to domestic aiport the very common scene you can see on the roads are those slum areas and those tambays sa kanto gamblings or having a drinking session:ohno: . not sure tho if it's still there until now. i feel disgusted seeing these sight before how much more the porengers.

with thailand and other countries i'm not so sure about them but i'm sure they have these slums and other problems too but it's not our business however to discuss it. We have too much of our own problems already so let's just focus on them.

I do agree that it's not too late for the Philippines to reinvent itself, but I do hope it won't be on the same line as Thailand. Like our country, they've got other wonderful places. Obviously, those who don't know about it don't bother to try and find out, which is a shame.

Same goes for the Philippines. I've met some foreigners who admit to knowing next to nothing about the Philippines, and are surprised when they hear that we're as advanced in technology as other countries. One of them thought that I studied abroad because I spoke fluent English, she was so surprised when I said that I've never been out of the country. She expressed her concern about the poverty and terrorism, but I told her, what country doesn't have that? Don't tell me that the US doesn't? She's now looking forward to visiting the Philippines.

those guys were really great performers!!
i'm so proud that my hubby was a part of it..
Filipinos should really watch their shows..

I do agree that it's not too late for the Philippines to reinvent itself, but I do hope it won't be on the same line as Thailand. Like our country, they've got other wonderful places. Obviously, those who don't know about it don't bother to try and find out, which is a shame.

Same goes for the Philippines. I've met some foreigners who admit to knowing next to nothing about the Philippines, and are surprised when they hear that we're as advanced in technology as other countries. One of them thought that I studied abroad because I spoke fluent English, she was so surprised when I said that I've never been out of the country. She expressed her concern about the poverty and terrorism, but I told her, what country doesn't have that? Don't tell me that the US doesn't? She's now looking forward to visiting the Philippines.

good job schaner....people like you promotes our country....indeed ..that is a service already for our country...:banana:

Filipinos need to be proud of their own land and take control and respect it. It is embarassing when you have volunteers from all over the world come over just to clean up the mess Filipinos in the Philippines has created and taken for granted.

I just came back from a vacation with my friend and he's already looking forward next year to another vacation in the islands.:)

pagiging joker

Filipinos are the best endorsers of the country. :)

What makes me ashamed of being a Filipino, is our penchant, as a people, to put down ourselves as a nation.

Take for example this news article. This wonderful news would have been perfect, except for the pointless insertion of the phrase "Filipino time".

"Arroyo earns applause for dash to China


By Michael Lim Ubac
Inquirer
Last updated 04:00am (Mla time) 04/22/2007


BOAO, China—She not only dispelled the myth about “Filipino time” but flew in well ahead of time and at an ungodly hour at that—2:30 in the morning—earning thunderous applause from the movers and shakers of Asia.

And when it was all over, President Macapagal-Arroyo flew back home with close to US$1 billion in fresh Chinese investments...

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view_article.php?article_id=61738

What has "Filipino time" got to do with planing in at 2:30 in the morning?

And what is "Filipino time", really? Is being late a national trait? I'm sorry, Sir but I beg to disagree.

If you are late for our appointment, I don't see you as "Filipino". I see you as an undisciplined, uncaring and selfish individual, insensitive to the "time" of other people.

Whenever Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians, Chinese, and Saudis and other Arabs got to wait for their own countrymen, I don't hear them grumble "Indian time", "Iranian time", "Lebanese time", etc.

Only Pinoys would loudly declare, "Filipino time kasi, eh!".

Are we this desperate to have a national identity, that we have to take this attribute as our very own?

^^Well, most of the time, the "Filipino time" is implied for humor purposes.

^^ well if not for "filipino time" maybe filipnos are included in Vtech massacre ..:jk

^^
WAY too early for that joke. I'm assuming you're not living in America where the topic is being talked about in every news channel and program everyday every hour.

^^ sorry i am just quoting @otakaw's "humor purposes" but not intended for the Vtech victims .

What makes me ashamed of being a Filipino, is our penchant, as a people, to put down ourselves as a nation.

Take for example this news article. This wonderful news would have been perfect, except for the pointless insertion of the phrase "Filipino time".

"Arroyo earns applause for dash to China


By Michael Lim Ubac
Inquirer
Last updated 04:00am (Mla time) 04/22/2007


BOAO, China—She not only dispelled the myth about “Filipino time” but flew in well ahead of time and at an ungodly hour at that—2:30 in the morning—earning thunderous applause from the movers and shakers of Asia.

And when it was all over, President Macapagal-Arroyo flew back home with close to US$1 billion in fresh Chinese investments...

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view_article.php?article_id=61738

What has "Filipino time" got to do with planing in at 2:30 in the morning?

And what is "Filipino time", really? Is being late a national trait? I'm sorry, Sir but I beg to disagree.

If you are late for our appointment, I don't see you as "Filipino". I see you as an undisciplined, uncaring and selfish individual, insensitive to the "time" of other people.

Whenever Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians, Chinese, and Saudis and other Arabs got to wait for their own countrymen, I don't hear them grumble "Indian time", "Iranian time", "Lebanese time", etc.

Only Pinoys would loudly declare, "Filipino time kasi, eh!".

Are we this desperate to have a national identity, that we have to take this attribute as our very own?

Gloria is an exception Erap an d Sergie Osmena III never entertained people past 10 am

we lack regular jobs ,mostly Filipinos are self employed or have irregular jobs .also mostly Filipinos can't say NO to his clients kahit buhol buhol na ang sked ...Filipino hospitality or pride?

Online, I see alot of website where they have this crazy debates on Filipinos being categorized as Pacific Islanders instead of Asians. I see alot of these kinds of debates especially on Filipinos in the US or Canada.

Everybody has their own opinion on whether Filipinos are categorized as Asians or Pacific Islanders but this is my own,

In South East Asia, Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia and to some extent Singapore share a similar culture, language and heritage. But you don't see those in The US categorizing the later countries as part of The Pacific Islands.

But Filipino language, other than Bahasa are part of the Malayo-Polynesian group. Filipino and Bahasa resembles that of the various languages spoken in The Pacific Islands.

Economically, Philippines are grouped with Asia especially in stocks, business and finance.

These are some of my opinions how about yours?

An article I found an a Filipino-American perspective

http://www.epilipinas.com/AsianAm.htm

FILIPINOS

ARE WE ASIAN AMERICANS?


Should we be categorized as Asian Americans or prefer to be Pacific Islanders?

I came acrossed this question a lot of times when filling up job applications
and questionaries. Though easily we could say that we are Asian Americans which is the more popular term for Americans who are of Asian descent, however, if you may recall we are coming from an archipelago like the Philippines, our islands' location can also be classified as Pacific Islanders. Which we are sometimes lumped with the rest of other minorities.

Our researched showed that in most University of California campuses we are classified as a distinct category of people - Filipino American. However, at UC Berkeley, Filipinos are classified as Asian Americans. So which is which? I would say depending on the preference of the statistician or who ever developed the demographic clasification. I wonder if the UC system will ever come up with a true picture of our numbers if no specific figures are out. I am sure they have broken down number of each minority group but Berkeley prefer such category for some reason. I don't care what category we are in but it should be consistent in all campuses.

In government entities we are classified as Asian Americans or Pacific
Islanders. Big cities like Los Angeles has set us as Asian American/Pacific
Islanders. Is it because there's less of us in the county? Again no specific reason for us to be called by other classification but rather than this category will be sufficient enough for them to classify us. Filipino Americans does not have the numbers to be counted as a group that's why were lumped with the rest? So if there's 100 or less of us are we going to be categorized as Asian Americans or Pacific Islanders or Asian American/Pacific Islanders. Just being curious.

Do we really wanted to be called Asian Americans or South East Asian Americans or Pacific Islanders? Reading magazines that are supposedly Asian Americans, I can not help but noticed the features to be mainly East Asian related. Koreans, Japanese and Chinese (includes Taiwan and Hong Kong) dominate the news and subjects of the articles. Filipinos and other South East Asians are less featured. Maybe they are less newsworthy, maybe not a good business practice as most readers are mainly East Asians or maybe the writers and contributors are East Asian descent that they only write what they experience and know, just like me. Maybe I am wrong but these are just observations. Why don't you check it yourself?

Let us analyze our situation in this issue.

What makes us Asian Americans? The Philippines' continent is Asia, the staple food is rice which is Asian, the cultural and origin of people are Asian.
However, being made up of islands in which the eastern part faces the Pacific Ocean are we part Pacific Islanders? Manila's Spanish colonial rulers for centuries has been governing the island of Guam - in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and considering as well that a lot of Guamenians are of Filipino ancestry and remain close to their Filipino relatives and culture - does this classify as culture and origin related? Guamenians are Pacific Islanders even their names are similar to Filipinos rather than Pacific islanders names. Older Americans called the Philippines as the 'islands' -referring to our geographic origins. You see the Philippines a long time ago is called 'The Philippine Islands' does that mean we are Pacific Islanders. Now you're getting confuse, which is my objective here. Because that's what they are too - confused as we are, I mean the people setting the demographics standards.

In my opinion, we are neither Asian Americans nor Pacific Islanders, we are
both. Other minorities can easily be classified as Asian Americans as they are located in the continent itself.That's why others have a hard time categorizing us. But we have to make a decision not others trying to define our classification instead. That also happens when we let others define us as a country - like letting our colonizers named our country and people after King Philipp of Spain - not that I wanted differently but let us have a say on this matter this time.

So what are we. Let's us make a survey as to what we really are:

For me, I am Asian, my color and physical make-up reflects who I am... but I honestly say that I am very much influenced by the western culture...

For me, I am Asian, my color and physical make-up reflects who I am... but I honestly say that I am very much influenced by the western culture...'

Most Asian countries have strong western influence. HK for example has strong British and European culture :)

I cannot believe this. Just shows our lack of identity.
In my opinion, Filipinos are Asian. We are of Malay stock for Christ's sake.
Pacific Islanders are originally Asians who migrated to their islands. Like the Maori of New Zealand who are descendants of immigrants from Indonesia.

I cannot believe this. Just shows our lack of identity.
In my opinion, Filipinos are Asian. We are of Malay stock for Christ's sake.
Pacific Islanders are originally Asians who migrated to their islands. Like the Maori of New Zealand who are descendants of immigrants from Indonesia.

Err, it's the other way around. The people who settled in Southeast Asia are descendants of Pacific Islanders.

Either way, I find it useless and rather racist to attempt to identify myself with a larger racial stock. I'm Filipino, and that's what matters.

Here's my 2 cents:

There's no doubt that the Philippines is Asian. Geographically, politically, and economically, the Philippines is tied up with other Asian countries. We are a founding member of the Association of South East ASIAN Nations (ASEAN) and the headquarters for the ASIAN Development Bank (ADB) is located in Ortigas, Manila. When it comes to the people, it's also true to say that we Filipinos are Asian just like Indians, Pakistanis, Arabs, Uzbeks, and Malays are also Asians. Asia is not just about Sino-Japanese cultures as what is being portrayed in American media. Asia is actually a hodgepodge of different religions, cultures, languages and ethnicities. We are the biggest and most diverse continent if you hadn't already known. But while we may be Asian, we also fall under Austronesian owing to our shared language, heritage, and racial makeup with the Pacific island people. For instance, all our native languages belong to the Austronesian (Malayo-Polynesian) language family making Tagalog and Cebuano similar to Hawaiian and Samoan, and our similar landscape also gives us a Pacific island flavor. (You can say the Philippines is a Pacific island group in Southeast Asia which we really are). It doesn't end there though. What makes Filipinos the most unique in the whole continent and probably the whole world is the Hispanic (Western) component of our culture. We not only share similarities with Asians and Pacific Islanders, we also are like the Latinos (Spanish, Mexicans and Argentines) because of the Roman Catholic faith and Hispanic heritage. Add to that our ability to speak English linking us with the Anglophone world. Certainly, East meets West in the Philippines.

To sum it all up, Filipinos are Asian, Pacific Islander, and Hispanic. We are mixed like that.

*Taken from one blog that i wrote. :)

From the Will and Grace show...

"I love Filipinos, they're asians but they're not cocky about it"

i dunno if thats the exact sentence... just remember

in the eyes of forensic scientists humans are subdivided into three groups by their cranial structure...
Negroid (african), Caucasoid (European, American) and Mongoloid (Asians) ...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/Skullneg.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cc/Skullcauc.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/Skullmong.gif

there is no mention of pacific islanders so we are definitely asians... :)

Imagine if our ancestors didnt migrate and intermingled in the past with the other subgroups of humans, given another 100,000 years, we should have been 3 different species! hehehe ... :)

^ if we are going to use 'race' as the basis for identity, that would leave "Asia" with just the eastern portion of it. And that would be unfair to the rest of our neighbours in the biggest continent in the world. What about the South Asians, Southwest Asians, Maritime Southeast Asians, Central Asians and Eurasians?

Asian for me is not one single race nor one single ethnicity, for Asia is the biggest and most diverse continent in the world. From Doha in 2006 to Guangzhou in 2010, Asia is all about geographic identity.

Asian.

The original inhabitants of our islands belong to Malay stock and have brown to dark brown skin color compared to typical yellow race (Chinese, Japanese and Koreans). Malays were descended from peoples of SOUTH ASIA-Indian sub-continent, not South China. DNA studies showed that many of the inhabitants of the Philippines were related to Ethnic Malays. Filipino languages (Ilocano, Pampango, Tagalog, Cebuano, Bikol) are part of the Austronesian group, which originates in Asia. The Philippines was isolated from the rest of Asian culture because of more than 300 years of Spanish and about 50 years American colonization. Our mixed heritage makes us unique among our Asian neighbors.

If the Filipino-Americans are having a hard time to find out about their identity, the easiest way is to rely on the race definition of U.S. Census Bureau.

Race
Source: U.S. Census Bureau, 2000 Census of Population, Public Law 94-171 Redistricting Data File. Updated every 10 years. http://factfinder.census.gov.

Definition:

Asian. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam. It includes "Asian Indian," "Chinese," "Filipino," "Korean," "Japanese," "Vietnamese," and "Other Asian."

Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, or other Pacific Islands. It includes people who indicate their race as "Native Hawaiian," "Guamanian or Chamorro," "Samoan," and "Other Pacific Islander."

In South East Asia, Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia and to some extent Singapore share a similar culture, language and heritage. But you don't see those in The US categorizing the later countries as part of The Pacific Islands.

But Filipino language, other than Bahasa are part of the Malayo-Polynesian group. Filipino and Bahasa resembles that of the various languages spoken in The Pacific Islands.

Economically, Philippines are grouped with Asia especially in stocks, business and finance.




I belong to the Human Race. Jeepers, I thought some folks on this site were touchy about the subject of "race".

Ei, ei, ei my Gringo Fil-Ams. I remember this. You all know this US commercial, shown from East Coast to West Coast. I really like the Geico ad. Oh, ayan free plug-in for Geico. Re – “So simple even a * can do it… So simple even a therapist can do it… My phone’s ringing…. It’s my mom, I’ll put her on speaker…” GEICO… so simple even a * can do it. Actually, that is where we all came from. The mom there is Lucy...:)

Seriously, we descended from the Austronesian aborigines of Taiwan who branched out to become the Malayo-Polynesian race. Since majority of the brown people settle in Southeast Asia, thence by definition we are Asian. I don't understand why there is such a big fuss about identifying with the Polynesians when they came from our stock anyway.

The native languages also, yes, I agree. But culturally & economically, esp these days? Sorry but I beg to disagree. I do not have any logical explanation for this but in most periodicals & articles here, ranging from entertainment & the arts, tourism, schools & education, cutting edge technology, medicine & most esp in business and finance, our country is routinely OMITTED.

Example, during the days of SARS when everyone here were jumping up & down getting all excited, the Phils was in a state of bliss since we only had 2 cases. Most recently, during the New Years Eve earthquake off the Taiwan coast which affected internet connections and the stock markets from S. Korea, Japan, Taiwan and China all the way down to Sing., there was no mention at all about the Phils. In tourism brochures and magazines in Thailand and Malaysia, hardly anything is mentioned at all about similarities with Philippine culture but these articles do mention similarities with the other ASEAN countries. There is a thinly veiled impression the other Asians have about Fils., and I assure you it is not at all flattering.

Of course, being the "Asian Way", they do not tell it to us straight in the face, that would be impolite. But try living amongst them and one catches up quickly. The most poignant examples and sticky issues against us would be "Statue Square in HKG on Sundays", "Lucky Plaza in Sing on Sundays", "Wanchai", "Geylang, Orchid Towers & the Paramount".

Dogmann,

There is something disturbing about measuring skulls. I know it's all about science but it is also eeriely reminiscent about Dr. Josef Mengele's experiments and the Nazi policies on race.

Siempre (pinoy) Asians tayo. :cheers: (para doon sa may mga complex dyan... okay, you can call yourselves pacific islanders, latinos, etc... para ma-alleviate yoong feelings ninyo ... we'll try to understand :lol: )

errata....it's no longer Geylang(overrun by Mainlanders), but Tanjong Pagar, & it's supposed to read Orchard Towers, not Orchid.

HKG's strong British influence is waning since most people on the streets these days can hardly speak English. It's Cantonese first, a friend even discreetly told me they couldn't care too much about the northern Mandarin.

Err, it's the other way around. The people who settled in Southeast Asia are descendants of Pacific Islanders.

Either way, I find it useless and rather racist to attempt to identify myself with a larger racial stock. I'm Filipino, and that's what matters.

i thought i had made a mistake when i remembered seeing an exhibit at Te Papa Museum in Wellington regarding the origins of Polynesians. since you disputed my statement i found the liberty of using the wonders of the internet to correct you.

I do not say things without making sure they're correct. what i do know is that polynesian people originated from Asia.

how can you imply that southeast asians are descendants of pacific islanders? If we try to look at established patterns of migration, it doesnt make sense.

Anyway the following is from wikipedia:

Archaeological evidence shows that the first settlers in Tonga sailed from the Santa Cruz Islands, as part of the original Austronesian-speakers' (Lapita) migration which originated out of S.E. Asia some 6000 years before present.

and another one from wikipedia still:

Southeast Asians arrived in the Samoa islands approximately 3500 years ago and from there settled most of Polynesia. These immigrants settled in the Samoas for many centuries until they moved on to settle eastern Polynesia.
Our study provides evidence for a dual genetic origin of Pacific Islanders in Asia and Melanesia. This is in agreement with the Slow Boat hypothesis of Polynesian origins (Kayser, Brauer et al. 2000) according to which Polynesian ancestors originated in Asia, moved eastward, and mixed extensively with local Melanesians before colonizing the Pacific Islands.

And the following excerpts from the conclusion of a study entitled "Melanesian and Asian Origins of Polynesians: mtDNA and Y Chromosome Gradients Across the Pacific"

Our study provides evidence for a dual genetic origin of Pacific Islanders in Asia and Melanesia. This is in agreement with the Slow Boat hypothesis of Polynesian origins (Kayser, Brauer et al. 2000) according to which Polynesian ancestors originated in Asia, moved eastward, and mixed extensively with local Melanesians before colonizing the Pacific Islands.

Proved my point?

Actually, let me clarify my statement. The Philippines stands at the crossroads of Asia and the Pacific. True? The Philippines is a Pacific island group in Southeast Asia. Also true? For me, being a Pacific islander does not mean we're excluding the fact that we are Asian. This whole classification strategy of the USA is just messy and it tries to divide groups that belong to each other. How can Asian be exclusive to "Orientals"? That's like taking the Middle Eastern peoples of Northern Africa out of the African group. Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, and Egypt are Africans too as much as they identify with the Middle Eastern people.

IMO, the Philippines can be likened to Turkey. Turkey stands at the crossroads of Europe and Asia. They can be both Asian and European, but for economic and political motives, they choose to consider themselves Europeans and have been rallying for entry to the European Union. Culturally, they are Middle Eastern but more importantly, they are a member of the Organization of Islamic Conference. Which bubble would they then have to fill in? Let's take a look at the Philippines: In Asian border with Oceania (Pacific). Member of ASEAN, APEC and Southwest Pacific Dialogue. Observer in Pacific Islands Forum. Member of the Latin Union. It's the same case.

But anyway, I still believe we should identify more with the Asians, for that is where the country's interests (economic, political) are more geared to..

Filipinos are Asians living on an archipelago in the Pacific. :okay:

The Americans, the Europeans and even the other people in Asia are really confused about us because while we look Asian, our names are Spanish, our official language is English and most of us are Christians.

Aside from these characteristics, which make us distinct from the rest of Asia, the Americans are also confused because our islands lie in Western Pacific and we closely resemble the people living in their territories in the Pacific islands.

While the confusion is widespread, I have no doubt that we are Asians living in islands which drifted from Asia mainland towards the Pacific Ocean.

The Americans, the Europeans and even the other people in Asia are really confused about us because while we look Asian, our names are Spanish, our official language is English and most of us are Christians.

Aside from these characteristics, which make us distinct from the rest of Asia, the Americans are also confused because our islands lie in Western Pacific and we closely resemble the people living in their territories in the Pacific islands.

While the confusion is widespread, I have no doubt that we are Asians living in islands which drifted from Asia mainland towards the Pacific Ocean.

^^ You have our colonizers to thank for the cultural adaptations and assimilations we've made. :okay:

True. Globalization started when Asia was connected to America and Europe by the Manila galleons in the 16th century. We've practically started the whole idea of a global culture. As we've always facilitated the exchange of ideas, natural resources and heritage between Asia and the West, we somehow got mixed up in the process. And that is what we are now: not solely Asian (Eastern) and not solely Hispanic/American (Western). Filipinos are, like our Tourism (DOT) video points out, "Oriental...and we're Western too... That's why no matter where you're from, the Philippines will feel like home..." Hehe. Anyway, it should not be a problem and people should not be confused. We just have to acknowledge this fact about ourselves (that we are where East meets West) and use it to our advantage. There's a lot of opportunities there for connecting to both spheres with regard to economic, political and cultural partnerships, and in fact our neighbours in Asia look up to us in terms of our flexibility and skillfulness given our unique traits. :)

asya

Hello Friends:) , I have this message for all Filipinos, we can make this us our mind opener.
This letter was passed to me from friends around the world.

Subject: FW: FW: Please pass it to all Filipinos you know.


As you know, we have plenty of Koreans currently
studying in the Philippines to take advantage of
our cheaper tuition fees and learn English at the
same time.

This is an essay written by a Korean student i
want to share with you. (Never mind the grammar;
it's the CONTENT that counts) Maybe it is timely to
think about this in the midst of all the confusion
at present. The message goes:



MY SHORT ESSAY ABOUT THE PHILIPPINES
Jaeyoun Kim

Filipinos always complain about the corruption in
the Philippines . Do you really think the corruption
is the problem of the Philippines ? I do not
think so. I strongly believe that the problem is
the lack of love for the Philippines .

Let me first talk about my country, Korea .
It might help you understand my point.
After the Korean War, South Korea was one
of the poorest countries in the world. Koreans
had to start from scratch because entire country was
destroyed after the Korean War, and we had no
natural resources.

Koreans used to talk about the Philippines , for
Filipinos were very rich in Asia . We envy Filipinos.
Koreans really wanted to be well off like
Filipinos. Many Koreans died of famine.
My father & brother also died because of famine.
Korean government was very corrupt and is still very
corrupt beyond your imagination, but Korea was
able to develop dramatically because Koreans really
did their best for the common good with their heart
burning with patriotism.

Koreans did not work just for themselves but also
for their neighborhood and country. Education inspired
young men with the spirit of patriotism.

40 years ago, President Park took over the
government to reform Korea . He tried to borrow money
from other countries, but it was not possible to get a
loan and attract a foreign investment because the
economic situation of South Korea was so bad. Korea had
only three factories. So, President Park sent many mine
workers and nurses to Germany so that
they could send money to Korea to build a factory.
They had to go through horrible experience.

In 1964, President Park visited Germany to borrow
money. Hundred of Koreans in Germany came to the
airport to welcome him and cried there as they saw
the President Park . They asked to him, "President,
when can we be well off?" That was the only question
everyone asked to him. President Park cried with
them and promised them that Korea would be well
off if everyone works hard for Korea , and the President
of Germany got the strong impression on them
and lent money to Korea . So, President Park was
able to build many factories in Korea . He always
asked Koreans to love their country from their heart.

Many Korean scientists and engineers in the USA
came back to Korea to help developing country
because they wanted their country to be well off.
Though they received very small salary, they did their
best for Korea . They always hoped that their children
would live in well off country.

My parents always brought me to the places where
poor and physically handicapped people live. They
wanted me to understand their life and help them.
I also worked for Catholic Church when I was in the army.
The only thing I learned from Catholic Church was that we
have to love our neighborhood. And, I have loved my
neighborhood. Have you cried for the
Philippines? I have cried for my country several
times. I also cried for the Philippines because of so many
poor people. I have been to the New Bilibid
prison. What made me sad in the prison were the
prisoners who do not have any love for their country.
They go to mass and work for Church. They pray
everyday.

However, they do not love the Philippines . I
talked to two prisoners at the maximum-security compound,
and both of them said that they would leave the
Philippines right after they are released from the
prison. They said that they would start a new life in other
countries and never come back to the Philippines .

Many Koreans have a great love for Korea so that
we were able to share our wealth with our neighborhood.
The owners of factory and company were distributed their
profit to their employees fairly so that employees could
buy what they needed and saved money for the
future and their children.

When I was in Korea , I had a very strong faith and
wanted to be a priest. However, when I came to the Philippines ,
I completely lost my faith.
I was very confused when I saw many unbelievable
situations in the Philippines . Street kids always make me sad,
and I see them everyday. The Philippines is the only Catholic
country in Asia , but there are too many poor people here.
People go to church every Sunday to pray, but nothing has
been changed.

My parents came to the Philippines last week and
saw this situation. They told me that Korea was much poorer
than the present Philippines when they
were young. They are so sorry that there are so
many beggars and street kids. When we went to Pasangjan,
I forced my parents to take a boat because
it would fun. However, they were not happy after
taking a boat. They said that they would not take the boat

again because they were sympathized the
boatmen, for the boatmen were very poor and had a
small frame. Most of people just took a boat and enjoyed it.
But, my parents did not enjoy it because of love
for them.

My mother who has been working for Catholic Church
since I was very young told me that if we just go to
mass without changing ourselves, we are not
Catholic indeed. Faith should come with action.
She added that I have to love Filipinos and do good things
for them because all of us are same and have received a great
love from God. I want Filipinos to love their
neighborhood and country as much as they love God
so that the Philippines will be well off.

I am sure that love is the keyword, which Filipinos
should remember. We cannot change the sinful structure at once.
It should start from person. Love must start in everybody,
in a s mall scale and have to grow. A lot of
things happen if we open up to love. Let's put away
our prejudices and look at our worries with our new eyes.

I discover that every person is worthy to be
loved. Trust in love, because it makes changes possible.
Love changes you and me. It changes people, contexts and
relationships. It changes the world. Please love your
neighborhood and country.

Jesus Christ said that whatever we do to others we
do to Him. In the Philippines , there is God for people who
are abused and abandoned. There is God who is crying for love.
If you have a child, teach them how to love the Philippines .
Teach them why they have to love their neighborhood and country.
You already know that God also will be very happy if you love others.

That's all I really want to ask you Filipinos.

(FOR THE LOVE OF OUR COUNTRY PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE…)

^^ That essay has been making the rounds in like forever....and here it is again! :lol:

^ Yes, spam mail :evil:

I've seen that essay so many times. If I earned P100 for every time I see that essay, there would be enough money to feed all the poor families in the country for a year. haha

^ Maybe someone should make that into a chain letter and the writer of that essay is Sadako. lol.

obviously that letter aint working.

obviously that letter aint working.

kasi ang mga Pinoy especially the despicable corrupt politicians and some corrupt filthy elite who suck the people and country's wealth were maitim pati buto at makapal ang apog.

btw here is another email ... i don't know whether i have to be ashamed or not of being a Pinoy but what I am sure is that I hated this d_ _ n political system even more.


[MANILAHIGHSCHOOLALUMNI] The Oversea ClassStandard Header|Hide Pane Luis Masigla <luismasigla@yahoo.com>AddTuesday, April 24, 2007 5:42:00 PMTo:MANILAHIGHSCHOOLALUMNI@yahoogroups.com
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http://www.latimes. com/news/ nationworld/ world/la- fg-remit20apr20, 0,3294405, full.story

From the Los Angeles Times
The Overseas Class
Millions working abroad help their nation get by, but not prosper. It's a life of lonely, risky sacrifice.
By Richard C. Paddock
Times Staff Writer

April 20, 2006

They nurse the sick in California, drive fuel trucks in Iraq, sail cargo ships through the Panama Canal and cruise ships through the Gulf of Alaska. They pour sake for Japanese salarymen and raise the children of Saudi businessmen.

They are the Philippines' most successful export: its workers.

Three decades ago, seeking sources of hard currency and an outlet for a fast-growing population, then-President Ferdinand Marcos encouraged Filipinos to find jobs in other countries. Over time, the overseas worker has become a pillar of the economy. Nine million Filipinos, more than one out of every 10, are working abroad. Every day, more than 3,100 leave the country.

Philippine workers sent home more than $10.7 billion last year, equal to about 12% of the gross domestic product.

The current president, Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, calls them "the backbone of the new global workforce" and "our greatest export."

Worldwide, these workers have earned a reputation for enterprise and hard work. They include some of the Philippines' most talented people, well educated and multilingual.

But as a third generation leaves to work abroad, it is clear the system has not led to prosperity. Policymakers have focused on easing the flow of workers rather than harnessing their earnings for economic development.

Dependence on the export of people has become a formula for stagnation. Once one of the strongest in Asia, the Philippine economy now ranks near the bottom. The government invests little money in manufacturing, education or healthcare. The economy can't create even the 1.5 million jobs a year needed to keep up with population growth.

"We have a middle class, but they don't live in the Philippines, " said Doris Magsaysay Ho, head of a company that dispatches 18,000 workers a year to serve on ships around the world.

Filipinos work in every country except North Korea, said Labor Secretary Patricia Santo Tomas, whose brother is a doctor in Orange County. More than 2.5 million work in the United States and nearly a million in Saudi Arabia.

The money they earn trickles into towns and villages, helping build houses, open restaurants and send children to school. But the absence of so many industrious and skilled people — mothers and fathers, engineers and entrepreneurs — exacts a heavy toll.

Across the Philippines, children are being raised by their grandparents. "Now children can buy a lot of computer games, but they don't have a mother or father, or both," Santo Tomas said.

For the sake of supporting their families, the overseas workers endure years of loneliness. Some, especially maids in the Middle East, suffer beatings and sexual abuse. In countries such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, they are jailed for running away. Yet the Philippines has grown so dependent on remittances that the thought of doing without them is frightening.

"Money from abroad is the only thing that keeps the economy in motion," said Ding Lichauco, former head of the country's economic planning office. "If you don't encourage the employees to go overseas, you will have revolution."

Providing sailors, maids, entertainers and other workers for a growing world market is a big business.

In this competitive arena, the Philippines has an advantage. Many Filipinos speak English. They are generally better educated than workers from countries such as Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or Indonesia. And they have a reputation for being good-natured.

An entire bureaucracy has been created around them. The Philippine Overseas Employment Administration helps find jobs in other countries, encourages workers to go abroad and processes some job applications.

The Technical Education and Skills Development Agency offers free training in welding, driving heavy trucks and other skills. The Overseas Workers Welfare Administration stations diplomats around the world to look after the Philippines' foreign workers.

Those who bring or send their earnings home pay no income taxes. And the government offers returning workers low-cost equipment and tools to help them start small businesses.

With that level of encouragement, an industry has developed to match workers and jobs.

There are more than 1,500 licensed recruiting agencies. Some provide training — six months for dancers, four months for seafarers, two weeks for housekeepers — in return for a cut of the worker's earnings.

A cook on a cargo ship can make more than Arroyo's official salary of $1,000 a month. A bar singer in Japan can earn more than a Philippine senator. But the fees can run into the thousands of dollars; the better the job, the greater the cost.

Dozens of agencies in Manila's Ermita district attract job seekers from all over the country. Applicants line up on the streets, luggage in hand, ready to go anywhere.

Notaries sit at small wooden desks on the sidewalk. Using manual typewriters, they help workers fill out the 14 documents they are required to submit. Large copy machines on the sidewalk crank out duplicates.

Laboratories conduct blood, tuberculosis and drug tests to certify the workers' health. Nearby are cellphone shops, money changers, cheap hotels and restaurants.

Many Arab countries, with their vast oil wealth and relatively small populations, are hungry for workers.

The CDK International Manpower Services posted notices in its window seeking domestic workers and midwives in the Middle East, a gift wrapper in Dubai and a "magician balloon decorator" elsewhere in the United Arab Emirates. The agency was also recruiting workers for Burger King and Starbucks outlets in the Middle East. ("Must have fashion for coffee," the ad for Starbucks said.)

Another company operating in the Middle East wanted diesel mechanics, flower arrangers, structural engineers, wedding card designers, massage therapists, website designers, accountants and nannies.

In another neighborhood, three blocks from the U.S. Embassy, a crowded sidewalk serves as an informal hiring hall for sailors. The Philippines produces nearly 25% of the world's seafaring workers, more than any other nation.

Hundreds of would-be sailors were hanging around in the shade of the leafy narra trees as agents wandered by, holding up signs offering jobs on ships sailing from Germany, Argentina, Los Angeles or Greece. Some sought engineers and first mates for cargo ships. Others needed chefs and waiters for cruises.

A salesman offered small vials of python oil, guaranteed to cure back pain, heart disease, joint dislocation, rheumatism, cough, arthritis and skin disease.

Merchants offered CDs providing instruction on how to moor a ship, plan a voyage, speak "maritime English" and handle hazardous materials.

Freddie Vicedo spent three decades at sea, earning enough to build a house 20 miles south of Manila and send his children to school. Now past the mandatory retirement age of 50, he was seeking one last job.

"It's OK to be away if it provides you with a home and a future," he said. "It's better than living all together in poverty."

The teeming neighborhood of Antipolo in central Manila is one of the city's poorest. Thousands of families live along the railroad tracks in shanties of scrap wood and metal built one on top of the other, three stories high. Families sleep seven or eight to a room and cook over open fires between the tracks. Every month or so, someone is hit by a train.

Children play in garbage. Old women play mah-jongg on a rickety table. A woman patiently picks lice from a girl's hair.

It is not uncommon for families to hold a wake in the middle of the sweltering streets, as Danilo Paredes did for his 18-year-old daughter, Raquel. Lying in an open coffin placed on a table, she looked small for her age, but at peace amid the chaos. Paredes said he didn't know what killed her, only that he didn't have the $25 for the medicine the doctor prescribed.

Residents look for any way out.

"I hate this place," said Mary Grace Libao, 13. She and her friend, Clarivel de los Santos, also 13, said they wanted to be singers in Japan.

"In Japan I will make enough money to buy a house for my family," Clarivel said.

Thousands of Philippine musicians and singers perform at resorts and hotels from Bali, Indonesia; to Phuket, Thailand; to Tokyo. Many young women who go abroad as entertainers end up working in the sex trade.

All over Japan, salarymen come to Philippine pubs to escape the tedium and stress of their jobs. They drink sake and sing karaoke with "japayuki," beautiful, scantily clad young women.

In Osaka, the Philippine clubs are concentrated in the crowded Dotonburi district. Many are controlled by Japanese organized crime. Customers spend as much as $500 an evening in one of the better establishments.

Large clubs typically stage a brief show in which the women sing a few songs and dance. The rest of the time, they flirt with the customers, pouring sake, feeding them and lighting their cigarettes. They can make more in tips in an evening than they could working for a month as a salesclerk back home. They can make even more if they agree to have sex.

"The customers make offers," said Estrella Pumar, 31, who was heading from Manila to Osaka for her second tour. "It's up to the girls to decide what kind of life to live."

The women live six or seven to a room provided by their employers. If they are lucky, they get a day off every two weeks. Many aspire to marry a Japanese man and secure a residency permit. Having a child in Japan ensures residency status after a divorce, which is how 80% of these marriages end.

Wendy, 37, followed her mother to Japan in the 1990s. A brother and sister moved to Los Angeles. She spent 10 years working in pubs before marrying a Japanese man, having a son and opening her own club in Osaka, the Twin Angels.

"It's better to be here than in the Philippines, " said Wendy, who declined to give her full name. But someday she'd like to return home and perhaps open a McDonald's. In the meantime, she said, "we have to survive."

The wards are overflowing at Negros Oriental Provincial Hospital, and dozens of patients lie on cots in the corridors. Some have just given birth. Others have just had surgery. Some will die in the hallway.

The hospital in Dumaguete, about 400 miles south of Manila, was built for 250 patients but usually has more than 350. Newborns stay in the same bed as their mothers; some have suffocated when their mothers rolled over in their sleep.

Patients who come here have no choice. It's the only hospital in the region they can afford. But for the doctors there is a way out: Study nursing and leave for the United States or Europe, where qualified nurses are in short supply.

Medical regulations in the U.S. and European countries typically make it very difficult for foreign doctors to work there as physicians. But nurses are in such demand that some recruiters offer bonuses of $15,000, the equivalent of three years' pay for a doctor in Dumaguete.

Of 207 doctors in Negros Oriental province, 79 have become nurses and more than 30 are in nursing school. This hospital is supposed to have 72 doctors, but only 43 remain. The Dumaguete district has closed two of its six rural hospitals and may soon have to close a third, said Dr. Ely Villapando, the province's chief health officer.

"We are worried sick about medical doctors taking up nursing and leaving," said Villapando, 63, who also runs the hospital. "We are losing the most skilled doctors. This is a crisis in healthcare."

An aid agency gave the hospital new cardiology equipment, but it sits unused. The hospital's only cardiologist left to become an emergency-room nurse in Chicago. What she earned in a month here, she can now make before lunch.

Here, patients are so poor that some pay in produce or livestock. X-rays cost a chicken. A bunch of bananas covers consultation. Delivering a baby costs one goat.

Villapando makes the equivalent of $437 a month. Two of his children have become nurses in the United States, one in Bakersfield and one in Texas. They send him money.

"My son already has a house of his own," he said. "He has two cars. My daughter is building a house and has two cars. They could not hope to achieve that here."

To become nurses, the doctors attend classes on weekends for a year and spend 2,200 hours as volunteer nurses at the hospital. Sometimes they do both jobs the same day.

"Some of the patients get confused," said Dr. Joyce Maningo, an internist studying to be a nurse. "They say, 'Weren't you a doctor this morning?' "

An ophthalmologist with her own practice, Dr. Eileen Marie Macia is near the top of her profession. Her father was a surgeon and a congressman. He was instrumental in building a new wing of the Dumaguete hospital. But she, too, is giving up. She is in nursing school and weighing whether it would be better to live in Tennessee or Los Angeles.

"If I go to the States, I will have to forget I am a doctor," she said as she made her nursing rounds. "I love the Philippines, but it will always be a Third World country."

Runaway maids arrive at the Philippine Embassy in Kuwait desperate, bruised, hungry and penniless. They slip out of their employers' homes in the dead of night through a window, over a wall or by walking out a door accidentally left unlocked.

They break the law simply by leaving without permission.

Some spend more than a year in the embassy compound, waiting for their passports, back pay or the resolution of their legal cases. If they step outside, they can be arrested.

At times, more than 500 women live at the offices of the Overseas Workers Welfare Administration next to the embassy. The building gets so crowded that the women cannot all lie down to sleep at the same time.

"It's like a prison," said Annabelle Abing, who lived there for three months.

More than 750,000 Philippine maids work in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries, where they often face legalized discrimination, beatings and sexual abuse.

The women frequently live in isolation, forbidden even to telephone their families. If they file a legal claim against their employer, they can be deported or imprisoned on trumped-up charges.

"They are treated like modern slaves," said Maita Santiago, secretary-general of Migrante International, a rights group for Philippine workers. "When workers are in distress, the government doesn't stand up for their rights for fear of the markets of foreign countries closing to Filipino workers."

Perhaps the toughest country for domestic workers is Saudi Arabia.

Sheila Marie Macatiag, 28, was earning $12 a month at a car stereo factory in the Philippines when she decided to take a job in Saudi Arabia to support her parents and six younger siblings.

Macatiag said she was forced to work from 5 a.m. to midnight, verbally abused for the smallest mistake and never given enough to eat. During her first six months, her employers paid her a total of $200; she had paid $300 to an employment agency in the Philippines to get the job.

Fed up, she ran away to the employment agency's local office. But by the time she got there, her employers had already complained that she had stolen money and watches from their vault. Police came and arrested her.

Despite the absence of evidence or witnesses, she spent 13 months in jail, Macatiag said.

"They told me they were going to cut off my hand or I would be sentenced to 108 years or I would die in prison," she said. "Even during trial they told me my hand would be cut off unless I admitted to the allegations. "

She maintained that she was innocent, but a Saudi court convicted her and she received five lashes on the hand with a cane. She has returned to the Philippines but doesn't expect to find a job.

"There are so many people here and so few jobs," Macatiag said. She is hoping to leave the country again: "Anywhere but the Middle East," she said.

Even if there is no abuse, the emotional toll of being away from home can be heavy.

In Hong Kong, Philippine maids gather by the thousands in the city center every Sunday to spend their day off together. They fill the parks and sidewalks and overflow into the streets. Sitting on cardboard or sheets of plastic, they hold prayer meetings, play cards and have picnics.

Beneath the festivity is a sense of melancholy. These women spend the best years of their lives serving others.

Many leave their children behind so they can earn enough to pay for their schooling. Others forgo the chance to marry in order to provide for parents and siblings. Most make the equivalent of $420 a month and send more than half of it home.

Editha Ycon, 37, has worked 13 of the last 17 years in the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Taiwan and now Hong Kong. She has a degree in computer programming but could not find work in the Philippines. She has left her son twice to go overseas, first when he was 6 months old and again when he was 4 years old. He is now 10.

"I want to stay with my son," she said. "I want to prepare his breakfast before he goes to school. I want to pack his things. I am a mother, but not really. I haven't been a mother yet."

The people of Santa Rosa, a village two hours south of Manila, once made a living processing coconuts. But the men who worked in the drying sheds left the country long ago.

Now the village is known as Little Italy. It depends almost entirely on remittances from abroad. Of its 8,000 people, 3,000 work overseas, mainly in Italy and Spain. Left behind are children, the elderly and the disabled.

Overseas workers contributed money to build the two-story village office. A worker in Spain donated the village computer. Others helped buy an ambulance. But the village is distinguished by the more than 600 large Italian-style houses built with money sent home from overseas.

Village head Benito Alvarez, who wears a USA T-shirt given to him by cousins in America, said the owners were unlikely ever to live in them. "They build the house to prove to the people they grew up with that they are a big success," he said.

But what Alvarez sees as evidence of waste and opulence gives another villager a deep sense of satisfaction.

Carlito Villanueva, 67, began sending his children to Spain and Italy in 1985. Now all nine of them live in Europe, along with their spouses and his 14 grandchildren.

"If they had not gone, I could only see hardship for them, because life here is very difficult," he said. "I'm not sad at all. I'm very happy. As a parent, my major goal is to secure a good life for them."

Each of the children is sending money to build a house in the family compound. Four have been built, and a fifth is planned. All are unoccupied, except on the rare occasion when one of the children comes home for a visit.

"This is their home," he said. "Wherever they are in the world, even though they are scattered, they will come home to me."

Another neighbor, Digna Escueta, 28, hadn't been home since she left to work as a maid in Padua, Italy, six years earlier. She came back for two weeks to try to straighten out a domestic nightmare: Her husband was in prison for drug use, and her daughter was out of control.

Her parents worked overseas when she was growing up, starting with her mother when Escueta was 11. A brother and sister followed. Altogether, more than 50 relatives found work in Italy.

Escueta married as a teenager and soon had a baby. Her husband became addicted to methamphetamine.

"We grew up making our own decisions, and because of that we married young," she said. "Some children of overseas workers in this barrio fall into vice and lose direction in life."

When Escueta turned 22, she also went overseas, leaving her 1-year-old daughter, Yvonne, with a cousin.

Seeing her daughter for the first time in six years was not the reunion she was hoping for. Yvonne had become the terror of the neighborhood.

She slugged the boys when her mother's back was turned, making them cry. She killed kittens by hugging them to death, stepping on them or locking them in a closet, Escueta said. She killed a puppy by tying a string around its neck and letting it fall off a high bed.

"She loves them to death," her mother said.

Escueta acknowledged that the absence of so many parents meant troubles for the next generation of Filipinos.

"Going abroad has two sides," she said. "The bad side is the separation of the family. The children grow up without a mother's supervision. Sometimes they go astray. The good side is not just the income but the possibility the whole family could go overseas, which is my dream."

Angelo de la Cruz, a father of eight, was desperate. He needed to pay medical bills for a son who lost an eye in an accident and care for another who has Down syndrome.

He decided to leave his one-room bamboo hut two hours north of Manila and return to Saudi Arabia, where he'd worked three times. He left as a truck driver. He returned as a national symbol.

In July 2004, De la Cruz was ordered to deliver gasoline to U.S. troops in Iraq. He became separated from other trucks in the convoy and was abducted four hours after crossing the border.

His kidnappers demanded that the Philippines withdraw its contingent of 51 troops from the U.S.-led coalition. He expected to be beheaded. But with a narrow election victory behind her, President Arroyo could not risk offending the huge constituency of overseas workers and their families. She withdrew the Philippine troops a month ahead of schedule.

De la Cruz was freed after two weeks.

On his return home, he was showered with gifts: a new three-room house, a new motorcycle, a new job, a glass eye for his son and scholarships for his children.

"They kept saying I was a hero," he said. "I felt like I was just an ordinary person. Many say that I am a symbol of the Philippines. To this day, I keep wondering what it is I have become."

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Paddock reported from the Philippines, Hong Kong, Japan, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Lebanon, Singapore and Thailand.

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About this series

Four articles examining the worldwide flow of remittances.

{ Saturday }

Kenya: Benta Wauna worked abroad to give her sister alternatives to arranged marriage and extreme poverty.

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Statistical snapshot of the Philippines

Key facts, based on the most recent figures available.

Population estimate: 88 million

GDP, per person: $5,100

Percent living in poverty: 30%

Remittance income annually: $10.7 billion

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Sources: CIA World Factbook, World Bank, Philippine Department of Labor, Times reporting. Compiled by John L. Jackson

how about Glorias statement yung sinabi nya ako nga "kung minsan nga once a day lang ako kung kumain " when she was asked about the worsening malnutrition in the country ... duh? it's like the quote of Marie Antoinette "let them eat cake" :ohno:

how about Glorias statement yung sinabi nya ako nga "kung minsan nga once a day lang ako kung kumain " when she was asked about the worsening malnutrition in the country ... duh? it's like the quote of Marie Antoinette "let them eat cake" :ohno:


sinabi ni Ate Glo (or Ate Glue) yaon kasi nag re rejoice siya dahil tumataba yata siya .... :)

How very sad. Another excuse for the racists in LA to look down on Filipinos. the politicians don't see all the sacrifices the ofws are making. all they see are the big dollar remittances. It doesn't speak much of national pride when you can't solve endemic unemployment and your people have to leave in droves just to survive. The only thing were producing are more mouths to feed and still that's not enough for the govt. to implement an aggresive population policy.
Just a slight improvement in the economy and these same families of crocodiles cry of increase in pork barrel.

obviously that letter aint working.

That depends on you really....How you look at it personally.

Everytime I see that letter on other posts or on the website it is on, I see it as a good reminder. The problem though is the mood that the reader is in when he/she reads it. Obviously not all readers are in the good mood when it is read. We can blame the hardships/corruption in the Philippines that really don't reflect off the words in that letter, but then again those types of letters (that reflect our hardships) are a dime a dozen....It's nice to see something different once in a while..

That's the problem I see with some filipinos, reading things and expecting quick answers or solutions to problems. Some of the best answers come from reading many things with different views.

oh i know it can touch a few persons as for me i already knew those things even before i read that letter. And i know there are also others out there who arethe exception and goes againts the grain.
I say it's not working since time immemorial i read all these clamor for change in one form and another but the critical mass it needs to affect in the PHils in order to change is not reaching or hitting base.
I think since the warped attitude is so entrenched and is a normal way of life that an intervention from the leaders is needed to set the populace in the right direction.

Did anybody see that Senatorial debate in ANC yesterday? When they started talking about the problem of overpopulation, not one of them tried to offer any concrete solution. Instead, all they did was say how "pro-life" they are, deviate from answering the question directly (to the point one of the ppl asking questions blantantly ask is there anyone willing to risk answering the question), blah blah blah (and man! Sonia Roco's answer is pure stupidity at its finest in addition to that "cable TV" guy). Here we have a situation that is really crippling our country and our prospective lawmakers are too gutless to do anything about it. Man! All the responses annoyed me so much that IF Alan Peter Cayetano, who is the devil incarnate among the Senatorial candidates, actually suggested ANYTHING that will TRULY solve our overpopulation, he would have automatically earned my vote! The reaction of ALL the candidates to this extremely dire issue (even the Team Unity one) is just ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC AND DISGUSTING and it makes me be SO ASHAMED of being a Filipino! :mad2:

yes^^ i'm more frustrated than ashamed. I think we need more people who are more passionate and get angry at the nations situation. Instead we have more passive observers who just look at everything as a joke. notice the ubiquitous he he at every statement. these same crocodile families who keep running the Phils. will not change anything unless the people demand it from them. they will always wish for the masses to remain uneducated and ignorant .

^^ ha ha that's the problem all of them i think is afraid of losing a single vote especially with the result of making policies or comments that could ire or is against the catholic church policies. we have to accept the fact that the church still impose a very strong influence in our society especially in politics.

^^ Legislators should have the political will to effect real change and should be serving the people and not the church or any personal interest.

another frustating thing. acting only when it's a crisis propotion and never having contingency plans for eventualities.
if people don't know how to use plastic bags properly , it should be banned.!!



Garbage crisis looms in Central Luzon
http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/042...economy03.html

By Jonathan L. Mayuga
Correspondent

AN official of the Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) warned Tuesday of a looming garbage crisis in Central Luzon owing to the failure of concerned authorities to enforce the six-year-old solid-waste management law.

Regidor de Leon, DENR Central Luzon executive director, said that at a daily generation rate of about half a kilo of garbage per person, with about eight million people, Central Luzon could generate as much as 4,000 tons of garbage per day, or 1.44 million tons annually, enough to create a mountain of garbage similar to the Payatas dump site in Quezon City in just a year.

“This is definitely a lot of waste. If we cannot address this problem now, we will soon find ourselves buried in our own trash,” he warned.

De Leon said reducing, reusing and recycling waste are just some of the more “practical and doable” solution to the worsening garbage problem. He added only 70 percent of Central Luzon’s daily garbage, or 2,800 tons, are collected by dump trucks hired by local governments.

The remaining 30 percent, or roughly 1,200 tons end up in canals, vacant spaces, street corners, market places, creeks and rivers, and eventually, into the sea.

The DENR, together with corporate giant SM Prime Holdings in Clarkfield Pampanga, the Clark Development Corp. (CDC), and the Environmental Practitioners Association (EPA) launched a massive campaign to promote waste segregation and recycling through a market fair where recyclable waste may be sold at a fee.

Started by EPA four years ago, the Waste Market Event invites the public to sell their recyclable materials such as papers and cartons, plastic bottles, automobile batteries, aluminum cans, old computers, electronic equipment, and ink printer cartridges, among others, to accredited recycler industries in a given buying station during the fair, says public affairs officer Donaver Guevarra of DENR in Central Luzon.

“It is important to increase public awareness on waste management to effectively address the worsening garbage problem in the country. Recycling must be a way of life of every Filipino,” he said at the opening of the waste market fair at SM Clark in Pampanga.

Guevarra said Metro Manila generates about 6,500 tons of solid waste daily, 75 percent of which is recyclable but only 5 percent is actually recycled.

oh i know it can touch a few persons as for me i already knew those things even before i read that letter. And i know there are also others out there who arethe exception and goes againts the grain.
I say it's not working since time immemorial i read all these clamor for change in one form and another but the critical mass it needs to affect in the PHils in order to change is not reaching or hitting base.
I think since the warped attitude is so entrenched and is a normal way of life that an intervention from the leaders is needed to set the populace in the right direction.

Point well taken...my thoughts the same. It's interesting how you say you already knew those things before you read the letter, I think many of us have (maybe even the writer of that letter).

Yes, true the warped attitude is entrenched in the normal way of life here for many filipinos. That needs to change....

Did anybody see that Senatorial debate in ANC yesterday? When they started talking about the problem of overpopulation, not one of them tried to offer any concrete solution. Instead, all they did was say how "pro-life" they are, deviate from answering the question directly (to the point one of the ppl asking questions blantantly ask is there anyone willing to risk answering the question), blah blah blah (and man! Sonia Roco's answer is pure stupidity at its finest in addition to that "cable TV" guy). Here we have a situation that is really crippling our country and our prospective lawmakers are too gutless to do anything about it. Man! All the responses annoyed me so much that IF Alan Peter Cayetano, who is the devil incarnate among the Senatorial candidates, actually suggested ANYTHING that will TRULY solve our overpopulation, he would have automatically earned my vote! The reaction of ALL the candidates to this extremely dire issue (even the Team Unity one) is just ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC AND DISGUSTING and it makes me be SO ASHAMED of being a Filipino! :mad2:


bec the biggest vote comes from the catholic majority ,they can't risked it, when FVR introduced his population control program he got so many flacked from all sectors.FVR did convinced the muslim to practiced artificial birth control , now they are practicing it. I just don't get it muslim only consist 5-8 % of our population but they are already concern in our population .

^^ Legislators should have the political will to effect real change and should be serving the people and not the church or any personal interest.

yes ideally the politicos should have a political will to pursue policies that are even againts the church policies but is good for the country. But do we have someone who have this political will? Meron ba? parang wala naman ata ganyan na politico sa tin.

^^ meron akong alam na politikong may political will , pero ayaw tumakbo ng national

^^ yeah right, duterte :nuts: ...im not surprised

half-dwarf half-orc?

haha Gma half... JK

hahaha...nice one.

GMA...half, John Osmena half Filipino, half Filipina

:rofl:

bat nyo pa pinahihirapan sarili nyo, asia lang naman ang sagot...kahit anong gawin nyo asia pa rin tayo :cheers:

we are not the ones confused. the not so well travelled westerners are the ones confused. they connote asian with chinky eyes. they are not familiar with the malayo/pacific islander asian look. on those us racial surveys anyways they lump pacific islander/ asian as one group.

O eto, padala ng isang kaibigan.


JUAN FLAVIER: half Filipino half Igorot.
RAUL ROCO: half Hawaiian half Polo.
JOHN OSMENA: half Filipino half Filipina.
MIKE ARROYO: half Filipino half Pork.
AI AI DELAS ALAS: half Filipino half Moon.
GMA: half...

:hilarious :rofl:

nakakahiya ng mga trapo at mga tuta nila na mahilig magmukhang tanga sa TV at alukin ng P10T para sa boto... lalo na yung namumudmod ng insurance ng party members sa hindi naman miyembro ng partido nila. nakakahiya.

^^ yeah right, duterte :nuts: ...im not surprised

okey na sana si duterte, kaya lang mahilig yata siyang magtayo ng sariling republic sa davao.

^^ :lol:


GMA : half.... and a dot

half kapampangan n half cebuano

Im proud to be Filipino! i wear beach walk chinelas rather than those ultra-expensive havaiana plipplops! support Pinoy! nothing to be ashamed about being pinoy!

ang daming palang hinanakit ni crappypants sa pnoy kaya pala nag-asawa ng ibang lahi

hinde ko kase kaya pinoy. more likely hiwalayan lang uwe non, kawawa bata kung meron, or single for life ang dateng. ko.

hinde ko kase kaya pinoy. more likely hiwalayan lang uwe non, kawawa bata kung meron, or single for life ang dateng. ko.

Ano ba ang diperensya? Pointers naman dyan.

the other day, there was this girl giving a report during our operating room pre-op conference, nakaka-inis coz she was using a fake and obvious na pinag-praktisan na accent...pwede naman siyang magsalita in natural visayan accented english...wala kaya kami sa call center...

Sinabihan mo sana ng " wat da pak" inday unsay imong nakaon. hehehe.

There's nothing to be ashamed of being a Filipino... If poverty is one reason to be ashamed of, then it shouldn't be because it's part of every society. Even the US has poverty problem...and there are worse countries than us when it comes to poverty problem... Just look at African countries, they are mostly poverty-stricken, you can probably say that we are still lucky....

Just do our part to help and change our country for the better ... There's a lot of countries out there which were worst before but they've made it.. It's just a matter of helping each other...

Hello everyone,

This is one thread that I could not ignore. I am new to this board and I must say that it is trully a joy to read the views and opinions expressed by members of this board. I must premise my following statements first by stating that I grew up poor and was the youngest child with other 4 siblings - grew up with hand-me-downs clothes and second hand toys. I was fortunate to get a college education through the hard work and sacrifice of my parents. I have been living in the US for over 25 years and as I have stated in another thread, my Pinoy instinct is telling me that it is time to go back home. But this thread caught my eye and could not help but express my views in the hope that they will land in someone's lap with the power to make a change.

First observation, I am so impressed with the the discipline that posters have displayed on this thread given that the subject matter is too close and personal to all of us - what it means to be a Filipino. Personally, this is something that is new and refreshing - when I left the Philippines some 25 years ago, I was so resigned in the belief that culturally, the Filipino will never change his ways - and today, I was so happy that I was proven wrong.

Secondly, I could not agree more with garzland - poverty is not a reason to be ashamed of and it does not define who we are as a people. IMO, we should measure ourselves by what we have done and continue doing collectively. I have seen fellow Pinoys working as waiters, parking car attendants, doormen, security guards, and all sort of other odd jobs in the US. I have always feel a sense of pride for these kababayans and to me, they are the real heroes, the OFWs that toil long and hard to earn that mighty dollar - PUTTING IN AN HONEST DAY TO EARN AN HONEST DOLLAR!

Observing from a far distance, I believe that big and better things are starting to happen in the Philippines. Middle class families are expanding and they will form the strong foundation of the Philippine economy. But I want to just remind all my new found friends in this forum, tall steel and glass skyscrapers is not a measure of success - it is how we pursuit that collective dream of a country that is rich and powerful and is able to provide to those who are weak and have very little in life.

Thank you for reading my post.

the other day, there was this girl giving a report during our operating room pre-op conference, nakaka-inis coz she was using a fake and obvious na pinag-praktisan na accent...pwede naman siyang magsalita in natural visayan accented english...wala kaya kami sa call center...

I have a classmate who does this same thing, although di siya Visayan-accented talaga. We just make fun of her, sobrang trying hard. You could feel your hair raise because it's just horrible.

hinde ko kase kaya pinoy. more likely hiwalayan lang uwe non, kawawa bata kung meron, or single for life ang dateng. ko.

i thought the other way around pag pilipino bibihira ang divorce,
hiwalayan, oo, pero magbabalikan naman ulit. magbabalik sa da buzz...

hinde ko kase kaya pinoy. more likely hiwalayan lang uwe non, kawawa bata kung meron, or single for life ang dateng. ko.

in my views there were more broken marriages in american / western cultures compared to our cultures.

but in Pinoy culture once the marriage turn sour, it is quite difficult to get out officially.

here is another letter circulating around, but all these letters were to no avail, most of Pinoys either have a don't care attitude or they were already frustrated with the political system.

perhaps a revolution to be lead by nationalistic Pinoys from a coalition of rigtists and leftist forces can change the Philippines for good, once and for all. or perhaps a civilian backed nationalistic-rightist military uprising will be preferable. ( JUST MY HONEST OPINION )

btw I am posting the letter :

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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:07:44 -0800 (PST)
From: "Norma Santos" <normvjsantos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: What will make me leave the Philippines... An Open Letter to Every Filipino
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Hi there,

Please read this..very important for us to think about..

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Note: forwarded message attached.
Please read and pass to all, for our siblings and countries sake


Dear Fellow Filipino,

Good day to all of you! Before I begin my letter... just a disclaimer, for people who know me they know that I love the Philippines very much and I am not really one who rants and complaints to high heavens about what is happening to our country and does nothing about it, in fact, I feel that at my relatively young age of 27, I have done much service to the Philippines by setting up Pathways to Higher Education which has sent more than 500 poor but deserving students to college and AHON Foundation which has already built two public elementary school libraries that have benefitted more than 3,500 students. Yet, after seeing how events in our nation have transpired the past few weeks and talking with some friends, I feel the urge to share with you my own thoughts and feelings.

Over the weekend, we saw the completion of two major political alliances for this coming Senate Elections that has just began here in the Philippines . Now we have two political forces with familiar faces nonetheless on opposite sides of the fences. On one end, you have Tito Sotto and Tessie Aquino-Oreta who were two major stalwarts of the opposition and the FPJ Campaign in 2004 hobnobbing with the woman (Pres. GMA) whom they claimed to have cheated FPJ in the last Presidential Elections.On the other side of the fence, you see Manny Villar, the former house speaker who was actually responsible for impeaching Erap now part of the United Opposition who is led by no less than... Erap himself. Now if you don't see anything wrong with this picture then you must be one of the many Filipinos who have accepted this very sad reality that there is indeed no permanent ideals that our government leaders stand up for but rather they just go where there self-interests can best be served. It is this kind of politics why I no longer wonder why good people like Ramon Magsaysay Awardee Mayor Jesse Robredo of Naga City or outstanding Bulacan Governor Josie Dela Cruz will find it hard or worse, never be elected to national positions.

It is with these in mind that I'd like to share with you what are events this coming May elections that will make me consider leaving the Philippines :

1.) If former COMELEC Commissioner Virgilio Garcillano of Hello Garci fame wins in his bid to become Congressman of Bukidnon...seeking to replace a good man no less in incumbent Cong. Neric Acosta... We would really be the laughing stock of the whole world if we allow a man with the reputation of Garci to be one of our so called "Honorable Gentlemen".

2.) If Dancing Queen Tessie Aquino Oreta reclaims her seat at the Senate... I hope that all of us would still remember that dance that she did during the 2001 impeachment hearings after they voted to overrule the decision of then Chief Justice Davide... let us make sure that people like her never make it to the Senate again.

3.) If Richard Gomez becomes a senator... what does he know about making laws? We already have the likes of Bong Revilla and Lito Lapid in the Senate and their performance or lack of it would be reason enough not to elect another actor who has no prior experience in government to the distinguished halls of the Senate.

4.) If Gringo Honasan wins again.... have we not learned our lesson? I cannot believe that just because someone is charismatic then we will just elect him to become one of our senators despite the fact that he has time and again caused so much instability in our country... if we want a military junta similar to that of Thailand ... then lets all vote for this guy....

5.) If Manny Pacquiao becomes Congressman of General Santos City... everybody loves Manny the Boxing Champ but Manny the Lawmaker? Lets be realistic here, Manny is our Hero alright but I think it takes more than just great boxing skills and a desire to serve to be able to make appropriate laws that would help uplift the lives of the many Filipinos who live in Poverty.

6.) If Lito Lapid wins for Mayor of Makati City... I don't like Jojo Binay as well but Lito Lapid as city mayor of the country's finance and business center?!?! And do you really think he is from Makati and has good plans for the city? The Arroyos asking someone like him to run just goes to show you how much love and concern this government has for our country.

7.) If Chavit Singson becomes a Senator, Illegal Gambling = Chavit... enough said.

Now if all of these 7 things happen during this coming elections then don't be surprised if I decide to leave this country that I love dearly. Like I said during the first part of my letter, I feel that I have done much for this country but I think its time that Filipinos become more vigilant and critical in selecting our leaders for the sake of our future and the generations that will go beyond us. So I appeal to every Filipino who asks what can I actually do for my country... Choose and vote for the right people this coming elections, huwag na tayong magpaloko sa mga kandidatong maganda lang ang jingle o gwapo lang sa mga poster. Let us choose leaders who have a good track record for service and who are genuinely committed towards serving our country.

Manindigan naman tayong lahat para sa ating Kinabukasan at para sa Kapakanan ng ating Bayan!

Thank you very much for your time in reading this letter.

Sincerely,

Harvey S. Keh
Email: harveykeh@gmail. com

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O eto, padala ng isang kaibigan.

ENRIQUE ZOBEL: half Filipino half Spanish.
HENRY SY: half Filipino half Chinese.
JUAN FLAVIER: half Filipino half Igorot.
RAUL ROCO: half Hawaiian half Polo.
JOHN OSMENA: half Filipino half Filipina.
MIKE ARROYO: half Filipino half Pork.
AI AI DELAS ALAS: half Filipino half Moon.
GMA: half...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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What I hate about us???

A Lot of Us blow up things out of proportion. Kaya nasisira tayo...ipis lang nakita natin,isisigaw na sa buong mundo na leon ang nakita :nuts: :ohno:

too much pride....

we are also considered the only hispanics in Asia...

A piece of Latin America in Asia.

I do agree that it's not too late for the Philippines to reinvent itself, but I do hope it won't be on the same line as Thailand. Like our country, they've got other wonderful places. Obviously, those who don't know about it don't bother to try and find out, which is a shame.

Same goes for the Philippines. I've met some foreigners who admit to knowing next to nothing about the Philippines, and are surprised when they hear that we're as advanced in technology as other countries. One of them thought that I studied abroad because I spoke fluent English, she was so surprised when I said that I've never been out of the country. She expressed her concern about the poverty and terrorism, but I told her, what country doesn't have that? Don't tell me that the US doesn't? She's now looking forward to visiting the Philippines.
:righton: dude i hope there r more filipinos with ur good views!!!
:)

i think we need infrastructures and wonderful buildings and stuff... I always hear from foreiners when they visit the PI is "the people are wonderful" and not much on "it feels so hi tech", "the buildings are so cool" bit. but its not such a bad thing aint it :D, but still I think we still need a lot of improving

^^We are indeed, in dire need of beautiful infrastructure.

What makes us ashamed of being Pinoys? I believe its the erosion of delicadeza particularly politics.

Yan mga pinoys who are bored and have nothing to do but cry and shout their sentiment against the injustice in the world.

Siguro mahilig yang mga yan manuood ng sharon cuneta movies...tignan mo mga pinoy sa abroad..seldom you can see this kind of attitude...pano busy talaga sila....eh dito..they have time...I used to be like that when I was young...idealistic and yet naive...there are facts of life that is hard to swallow...and yet some people just cannot live with the imperfection of this planet....

Shame if we elect Garci....what about the US...they are the laughing stock of the world for electing Bush Jr..not only once...but Twice!! so just be cool...it's not the end of the world...this administration has an agenda to save our country...not because we want Garci to win...

Before, I went with Cory for ramos not to change the constitution..but now..ah-ah...NO-WAY!! okay lang mandaya, do all the bad things...wag lang manalo ang mga bwisit...look what happened to erap..we gavei him a chance to rule..what did he do? let us not repeat history....this administration has its tainted persona...but...tayo din naman makikinabang in the end....

Yan mga pinoys who are bored and have nothing to do but cry and shout their sentiment against the injustice in the world.

Siguro mahilig yang mga yan manuood ng sharon cuneta movies...tignan mo mga pinoy sa abroad..seldom you can see this kind of attitude...pano busy talaga sila....eh dito..they have time...I used to be like that when I was young...idealistic and yet naive...there are facts of life that is hard to swallow...and yet some people just cannot live with the imperfection of this planet....

Shame if we elect Garci....what about the US...they are the laughing stock of the world for electing Bush Jr..not only once...but Twice!! so just be cool...it's not the end of the world...this administration has an agenda to save our country...not because we want Garci to win...

Before, I went with Cory for ramos not to change the constitution..but now..ah-ah...NO-WAY!! okay lang mandaya, do all the bad things...wag lang manalo ang mga bwisit...look what happened to erap..we gavei him a chance to rule..what did he do? let us not repeat history....this administration has its tainted persona...but...tayo din naman makikinabang in the end....

ok lang sayo mandaya? sabihin mo man wag lang manalo yung bwiset. e kahit sino naman para sayo pwede maging bwiset. kaya sabihin mo na lang ok lang sayo mandaya.

i just want to say that every country in the world has a history and cultural influences that come from somewhere else in the world, filipinos have no pride because they assume that everything in our culture is foreign, the Malay came to the Philippines so they're foreign, our historical Malay culture is foreign because of it came from somewhere else, our Spanish names are foreign according to many uneducated filipinos, news for you, our Spanish names are not foreign, our cuisine is not foreign, they're part of our history and have made us who we are, every culture has influences from somewhere else, but the combination and how the people have assimilated it into their lives over centuries is what makes it distinctly theirs. American culture came from British, French, and Irish and Native American culture. Americans speak English, which is originally from England, but the American accent is influenced from the Irish. Latin American culture is a mix of native Guarini, Mayan, Aztec mixed with African cultures brought by slaves mixed with Spanish and Portuguese culture brought by colonizers. The culture of Argentina has Italian influences. Even in Mexico, Peru, and Cuba there are Chinese and Japanese influences because of the large number of Latinos of Chinese or Japanese descent that live there. Even Vietnam has French influences, Singapore is a mix of everything, why is Philippines suddenly not good enough for most Filipinos because of our mixture of culture? of course the answer is that most Filipinos are not educated enough in the world (and should research cultural anthropology and sociology and other subjects ) to realize that it's such a common thing for cultures to mix and blend, but it's the algamation of everything and the ownership of that that makes it unique to the country it ends up in

Also "Asian" and "Pacific Islander" even "Hispanic" and black and white are superficial labels created originally in the mid 20th century to promote segragation and a separation of the "races", and have roots in American racism and continue to perpetuate that racism, and yet most Filipinos don't know this and end up falling to the American belief that "Filipinos" are a race of people, no it's not, it's an ethnicity that signifies the people of the Philippines, regardless of race which would be MALAY (which most Filipinos simply refer to WRONGLY as "Filipino"), Spanish, and Chinese, which are the three basic stocks that make up the Filipino PEOPLE.

Even the terms "white" and "black" in America are incorrect, because many "whites" have african descendants that passed for white and should therefore be categorized as black according to their one-drop rule, as geneticists say that at least 10% (although it's believed to be more than that) of the white american population is of african descent and has african blood due to people that historically passed for white. http://www.oregonlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/news/1177392616131280.xml

Filipinos always assume that all Latinos have Spanish blood, which is also false, many Filipinos have more Spanish blood than the majority of Latin Americans, and even the term Hispanic as a race is incorrect, because Latinos can be 100% black of African descent, or white, or native american, even ASIAN because many Filipinos don't know, but a lot of Mexicans, Peruvians, Cubans, Latinos in general have Chinese, Japanese, even Malay blood from the Philippines blood due to the millions of Chinese, Japanese, and even Filipinos that settled in Latin America during colonial times, a former president of Peru was a Peruvian of Japanese descent, even that beautiful green eyed actress Barbara Mori that played "Rubi" in the telenovela shown on ABS-CBN is half-Japanese, and did you know that Thalia has Indian and African blood? Even Ricky Martin, Jennifer Lopez, Fernando Carrillo, and Menudo are part African and have African blood and they're from Puerto Rico and Venezuela, two countries in which the majority of the people, even those that look pure white to those unfamiliar to the culture, are descendants of African slaves. Even the people ofcountries like Argentina, Chile, Mexico, and even Spain have African blood, and I don't mean Moroccan blood, but as in AFRICAN BLACK KINKY HAIRED African blood, due to the different historical racial policy that existed in Spanish/Portuguese colonies compared to British colonies. even the term mestizo is misunderstood to mean "half-Indian, half-Spanish" among Filipinos, because most Filipinos don't know that in Latin America, Mexico is an example, a full-blooded Indian who leaves their indigenous village and assimilates into national society automatically becomes a "mestizo", when you see that Latin american countries have 80% mestizo, it doesn't mean that every single one of those in the mestizo category has Spanish blood or is half-Spanish half-Indian, but that's what Filipinos assume and it furthers their lack of pride in their own culture, which sux let me tell you that. i stopped believing in and using any anglo american-created racial term (and ASIAN and PACIFIC ISLANDER are two of them) a long time ago, and i suggest all Filipinos do the same.

For example, most Filipinos would look at this couple and think they're African American:
http://www.miguelmartin.net/images/img042.jpg
but they're not, they're Cuban
legendary cuban salsa singer Celia Cruz and husband

Most people would look at these pictures and think they're african american:
http://www.afromexico.com/album/slides/Relaxing.jpg
http://www.afromexico.com/album/slides/Sisters%201.jpg
but they're not, believe it or not, they're MEXICAN from Costa Chica, Mexico

Most people would look at this girl, and they see a "white" girl
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/richenamore/sarita1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/richenamore/sarita_perez_de_tagle.jpg
but she's not, she's a FILIPINA from Manila (actress Sarita Perez de Tagle)

Err, it's the other way around. The people who settled in Southeast Asia are descendants of Pacific Islanders.

Either way, I find it useless and rather racist to attempt to identify myself with a larger racial stock. I'm Filipino, and that's what matters.

Actually, its the other way around. Latest studies on mutations of Y-chromosomes among various populations of Asia and the Pacific shows that the origins of the people in this region traced their ancestry from the present-day Fujian province of China and Taiwan. It surprisingly revealed that Filipinos are genetically closer to Southern Chinese and Taiwan than its SEA and Pacific cousins.

http://www.genetics.org/cgi/content/full/160/1/289

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_people

So I would say that Filipinos are genetically Asian but culturally cosmopolitan. :)

Asian. Never thought otherwise. In terms of geography, history, genetics and culture, we are undoubtedly Asian.

I actually can't believe we are having this discussion. The confusion here in the USA regarding categorizing Filipinos originated from the Filipinos themselves particularly "some" Filipinos who just happen to have been born or reside in Hawaii. I have encountered quite a few Filipinos who identify themselves as Hawaiian and thus call themselves Pacific Islanders. Take for example Jasmine Trias. Before she became famous in the Philippines, she kept calling herself a Hawaiian even though she has no genetic roots tracing back to the original Island inhabitants.

Also, I work in the mortgage industry and part of the application form requires the borrower to fill up racial background. More often than not, you would have Pinoys from Hawaii filling it up as Pacific Islander. It's a shame really.

Im from Melbourne. Most of the people you would consider "asian" here (Chinese, Vietnamese etc...) think that Filipinos arent Asian. Here, Filipinos are just Filipinos. Just like the Indian people here. "Asians" dont call them Asians, they just call them Indians. Like people from the Middle East. They dont call them Asian, they call them Arabs or Lebs or watever.

I guess you can group the "Asians" as the people who use chopsticks? :dunno:

But thats how it is to people here. I guess the cultures clash? But yeah, geographically Filipinos are located in Asia/Pacific. And as to the filipinos living in Hawaii calling themselves Hawaiian, arent they Hawaiian? They live in Hawaii dont they? :lol: At least they should call themselves Filipino/Hawaiians. I guess its only okay to call yourself Hawaiian if you were born in Hawaii. Your ethnicity is Filipino but you were born in Hawaii so technically you are Hawaiian.

I dunno this stuff is too controversial.

Hay naku! People never learn, you just can't categorize what a Filipino really is, there are too many "boxes" to check off if we did. :lol: As always, being "A Filipino is a state of mind." :colgate:

Soon there would no longer be any racial profiling for census statistic purposes, there would only be a box for each:


Human
Others - Please specify_______


Hopefully, in my afterlife, I would put : Klingonese :lol:




I watch to much Star Trek replays.... :)

men
xmen
:lol:


buti na lang hindi ako Pinoy, bisaya ako.:lol:

I'm really confused why some people are still debating on this issue. We are of course Asians. No more, no less. If there are people in other places that are confused with our identity, then it is not our problem anymore. It's their stupidity that we have to stop. Although we can't do anything about it but to just ignore it or at least correct it.

Soon there would no longer be any racial profiling for census statistic purposes, there would only be a box for each:


Human
Others - Please specify_______


Hopefully, in my afterlife, I would put : Klingonese :lol:




I watch to much Star Trek replays.... :)

Personally, I prefer to be Bajoran or Betazoid. :okay: Oh, I hate Ferengis! :hahano:

^^ i'm proud to be a vulkan(ian ?) :lol:

^^ It's Vulcan. :colgate:

Soon there would no longer be any racial profiling for census statistic purposes, there would only be a box for each:


Human
Others - Please specify_______


Hopefully, in my afterlife, I would put : Klingonese :lol:




I watch to much Star Trek replays.... :)


Elvish :nuts:

Filipinos always assume that all Latinos have Spanish blood, which is also false, many Filipinos have more Spanish blood than the majority of Latin Americans, and even the term Hispanic as a race is incorrect, because Latinos can be 100% black of African descent, or white, or native american, even ASIAN because many Filipinos don't know, but a lot of Mexicans, Peruvians, Cubans, Latinos in general have Chinese, Japanese, even Malay blood from the Philippines blood due to the millions of Chinese, Japanese, and even Filipinos that settled in Latin America during colonial times

Isabel:

I don't know why it is always so important to you to emphasise that certain Filipinos are more Spanish than Latin Americans. This is important because...? :lol:

I remind you that, whether you like to admit it or not, it has been Scientifically proven by Genetic Studies that less than 5% of the Filipino population has European genetic markers brought to the Islands primarily from Spanish rule, or with American occupation, and with US military presence after independence.

We Latin Americans pride ourselfs on being who we are, things are not perfect but we greatly value our Indigenous background, as well as our African heritage which has greatly influenced our music. Spanish blood is a fact, we speak Spanish, but by no means do we need to emphasize it.

Take for example the Puerto Ricans. You don't see Puerto Ricans, who just like the Philippines, were taken over by the Americans, and who are still under American occupation claim to faim by saying that they are more Spanish or more American than the rest of the Latins! Puerto Ricans are proud of their little Island, they are happy and comfortable with their identity - they are above anything else Latin Americans.

That's the big difference with certain Filipinos, who are always emphasizing that they are a mixture of Chinese and Spanish blood...(remember that Science does not tell a lie.)

I can assure you that Filipinos are greatly appreciate for being who they are: Happy, friendly, warm people, who will welcome you to their home and share with you their food without thinking it twice.

^^ Very well said! :okay:

@latinPlane castiganos mas :lol: :okay:

@latinplane.. Tagos!! (Right through it!)... with the air of elegance :okay: :lol:

some people just have that imscdajdgsgdakjhefi syndrome...

Tough cookie. Problem is there's no "stereotype Filipino". I have Filipino friends that are a bit dark skinned but have a Chinese surname, one with Malay-looking skin but have Spanish surnames. I would say Pacific Islander, but if you look at the Islanders, they are massive by genes, and we jump at the sight of a 7 footer in the PBA, one due to excitement due to its rarity, the other reason because we probably would need to jump to see him properly :D Then again... Asians in prehistory have shaped our culture more than Pacific Islanders. The former has sailed into our islands, the latter hasn't.

argh, this is giving me a headache. i think i'll just go back to my homework

hola a todos,

i did not read any of the replies after my last post, especially the one that was addressed directly to me by latinplane (I just read "Isabel" and then I skipped down) because i don't feel like getting into meaningless discussions about race, because we're all one human race DE LA RAZA HUMANA, discussions like this about labeling ourselves based on racist Anglo labels are meaningless, i did not read any replies after mine, because they're pointless, nor will i waste any of my time reading any posts after this one

i don't feel like getting into a heated discussion with anybody, that's why i did not read latinplane's or anybody's reply to me, whatever you said, i didn't even read it, so it didn't affect me, too bad for you, i made a mistake in opening a thread like this the last time, and i don't why other pinoys keep opening threads like this that end up nowhere and accomplish nothing

GOD BLESS

^^ Admit it, you can't stay away and not voice your opinion. :wink2:

hola a todos,

i did not read any of the replies after my last post, especially the one that was addressed directly to me by latinplane (I just read "Isabel" and then I skipped down) because i don't feel like getting into meaningless discussions about race, because we're all one human race DE LA RAZA HUMANA, discussions like this about labeling ourselves based on racist Anglo labels are meaningless, i did not read any replies after mine, because they're pointless, nor will i waste any of my time reading any posts after this one

i don't feel like getting into a heated discussion with anybody, that's why i did not read latinplane's or anybody's reply to me, whatever you said, i didn't even read it, so it didn't affect me, too bad for you, i made a mistake in opening a thread like this the last time, and i don't why other pinoys keep opening threads like this that end up nowhere and accomplish nothing

GOD BLESS

Actually LatinPlane has a good message about Filipino identity and culture in the same way with the Puerto Rican/Latin American identity. and.... its far from being racist and pointless. :wink2: