Hola, tal vez muchos de ustedes no sepan español, y yo si se ingles, pero tengo pereza de escribirlo. Sólo quiero decir una cosa, el ser latino no quiere decir que tengan sangre o sean descendientes de españoles, (podria ser español, portugues, frances, italiano, rumano, etc) sino a que tienen como idioma natural aquel que es deribado del latin (lenguas romances) o sea el castellano, el catalan, el portugues, el frances, el italiano, el rumano, etc. :D

^^ Hola Antonio! Que tal? Tenemos un debate en este hilo sobre la identidad de un Filipino si nosotros los Asianos o los gentes de los islas Pacificos. Sin embargo, no podemos negar la importancia de la cultura hispanica en la formacion de la identidad Filipina .

Q onda askal! Si, es lo q he estado leyendo, para dar mi opinion tendre que saber un poco mas de la historia a parte del virreinato de la nueva españa y la nao de china :lol: soy ignorante lo se :ohno: pero en la escuela solo mencionan a filipinas en la epoca del virreinato!

Solo quiero decirles que tengan en cuenta (segun la historia)que su tradiciones, sus costumbres etc es el resultado de la mezcla de varias culturas, como en el caso de mexico y la mayoria de los paises latinoamericanos, y no por eso discutimos el si somos aztecas, incas, chibchas o mayas, en lo particular, en México nos sentimos muy orgullosos de descender de indígenas y de españoles, pero no por eso vamos a dejar de ser mexicanos, ya que el México actual es el resultado de la fusion de esas dos culturas, por lo tanto nuestra identidad nacional es de MEXICANOS:D en resumen (:D) ustedes deben sentirse bien orgullosos de ser FILIPINOS, y nada más, sin dejar de recordar que lo que son ahora es el resultado de la fusión de varias culturas :yes: Saludos a todos!

PD: lo correcto es decir "asiáticos" no "asianos" :D

Hello My Filipino cousins.

My intention is not to fight, or to judge people. But, I just cannot stand false facts being put on the table to suit certain people's interest, whatever the issue may be. This is why education is so important - to find out the thruth.

I consider Filipinos to be cousins of us Mexicans. We have so much in common. I have a 2nd family that is Filipino. They adopted me, they took me in, and they made me one of theirs. They did this without taking into account my different background, my different beliefs, my different language ~ they just took me in! In the end, our differences were not so different, for after all, 200 years ago, our nations were united through trade, culture, and government.

The Filipinos are like a distant cousins that live far away in different lands , but deep down inside, you are related through the same customs, beliefs, and sometimes even through the blood lines.

I have a deep appreciation for Filipino culture, and for the Filipino people. It is the reason why I know when someone is genuinely portraying Filipino culture, and when someone wants to bull__t me with their colonial complex that is way outdated for today's age.

@antonio

Convengo sinceramente

Gracias por corregirme la termina asiatico sobre asiano.
Es quizá Espangles. :lol:

@latinplane, I don't think you made a riot in this thread. You spiced it up a bit but in a good way that Filipinos will understand from fellow cousin's point of view. :)

@antonio

@latinplane, I don't think you made a riot in this thread. You spiced it up a bit but in a good way that Filipinos will understand from fellow cousin's point of view. :)

Great. I hope nobody was offended, and if they were ~ then they have some deep soul searching to do.

So, getting back to the topic. I believe that Filipinos should self-consiously decide what cultural/geographical region they feel best comfortable with, or both.

For example, Venezuelan's are by all means South American, yet they tend to consider themselves Caribean too. The Caribbean is at their shores, and technically, only one big Island of their territory (Isla Margarita) is part of the Caribbean, yet, their accent, their music, and their way of being is very much Caribbean.

Their Spanish accent is closer to the accent used in the Spanish Caribbean composed of Cuba, Puerto Rico, The Dominican Republic, and it is also close to Spain's Canary Islands. The Canary Island's, although 100% Spanish, have an accent 100% Latin American. This signifies the strong cultural trade between the two points.

Venezuelans feel perfectly comfortable saying that they are South American-Caribbean. Let's remember that South America is a BIG geographical region, and it changes accordingly. Asia's people are much more culturally and geographically diverse, so if Filipinos consider themselves both, what' s the worry?

Let's also remember that the Pacific Islanders are composed of different cultural backgrounds. For example, the Hawaiians, Samoans, Eastern Islanders, Tahitians, New Zealanders, are genetically Polynesean peoples with the same linear familty tree. On the other hand, the people of Guam, Saipan, and other islands are genetically Micronesians, while the peoples of Fiji, New Guinea, and Salomon Islands are Melanesians.

Although we may thing they look similar, they evolved out of different backgrounds, this proven by genetic studies. Are Filipinos, being predominantly Indo-Malay genes related somewhat either to the Micronesians, or Melanesians, or maybe not?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e132/restardo/Retrato/Revista/origins1.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e132/restardo/Retrato/Revista/Origins.jpg

Interesting report about Filipino origins and languages.

Link: http://web.kssp.upd.edu.ph/linguistics/plc2006/papers/FullPapers/I-2_Solheim.pdf

meron ako american friend dito sa Cali, akala nila ang mga pinoy pacific islanders together with the samoans etc. Pero I said NO, we are ASIANS.

From the Will and Grace show...

"I love Filipinos, they're asians but they're not cocky about it"

i dunno if thats the exact sentence... just remember

really? meron ba sa youtube nito para marinig ko yung exact conversation? pasend naman ng link. thanks

^^ It was posted here in SSC a while ago, but here it is again. It is just a passive joke about Pinoys not bragging about being Asian. It could be interpreted in a lot of ways also. (just imagine what she was thinking after she said that statement). :lol:

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^^ thanks, it's not very offensive though. I was just curious about the video because filipinos were also mentioned once in The Simpsons. :)

^^ She knows her geography. :)

meron ako american friend dito sa Cali, akala nila ang mga pinoy pacific islanders together with the samoans etc. Pero I said NO, we are ASIANS.

why do people have to pigeon hole filipinos into labels with other cultures when there are differences. i think this is ridiculous and really racial if one takes a look at it closely. up to now i dont know what single similarity on language and culture really connotes being so-called asian as a sweeping generalization of filipinos in comparison with other "asians."

the austronesians to whom filipinos and other pacific islander groups like the samoans or hawaiians belong are a southern branch of the mongoloid "race". this doesnt mean that austronesians are chinese because the "chinese" are another branch of the mongoloid "race". though they both belong to the same racial category differentiating them from the caucasoid and the negroid.


are filipinos asians or pacific islanders? i think this is dumb. why cant people not accept who they are, in that filipinos, are hispanized austronesians by culture, as well as, asian by geography, and pacific islander because of the same family of language and cultures.

why cant we not just be filipinos instead of shortchanging ourselves by limiting ourselves to just asian or whatnot. asian is not a country nor a culture. asian has myriad of cultures and ethnic groups. why cant people not see it instead of being racialist about it.

we are filipinos with all our quirks. so what the heck is the matter with you people. we are simply filipinos.

bagnot

^^ Dude, people here have their own opinions about their identity. Kung hindi ka Asian, eh, di hindi ka Asian.
Sure, we are simply Filipinos, people here are just identifying themselves for some reason such as on what to fill up on some legal documents or replies to certain question on ethnic backgrounds.

Watzdamater watzdamater ka kaagad dito...
Anak ng baka, maiinit kaagad ang ulo mo, wala namang masama kung sabihin Asian or Pacific Islander ang isang tao diba?.... :lol:

a, basta ako asian ako. hehhee. we use soy sauce, patis, ginger, garlic, onions, bagoong in our daily cooking. kaya asians tayo. :)

Since Philippines is rich in Rituals and Pamahiin let me share you a very rare ritual from Leyte. Not sure if its unique in Leyte but is very much practiced in there...

Lu-un
This ritual usually is being done to a person who had been said to be shocked,traumatized or unfocused. I think in tagalog it could also be eqauted with being "nausog". But it is said to be able to cleanse the spirit of any fear. It is normally being done by a "parag-luun" or tambalan. Though my grandmother herself knows how to do this ritual thats why I never failed to be "lu-un-ized" everytime Im in Leyte so as not to make this ritual extinct. The ritual normaly involves burning a coconut husk into another coconut husk. The smoke will then be circulated all over your body with some sort of spell or chanting. Then later the smoke will be dosed with water then again the steam wil be circulated around your body again. Later the tambalan would dip his finger into the husk filled with water and ashes and poke you later with his wet finger on various part of your body(:lol: ) After that he will whisper something in your head and spit into your "bumbunan" as a finale....
weird huh?

Any rituals that you can share?:lol:

^^ tuli....

^^ Bumbuman?

We did a lot during my 5th and 6th grade... Because me and my classmates was so obsesed with Witchcraft because of that Damn Harry potter. Our Hogwarts System in the school (that had members from grades 4,5,6 1st and 2nd year high)
was converted into a witchcraft society where we do rituals and stuff both local (art of Mambabarangs and kultoism) and foreign(Wicca, Book of Shadows, Pentagram Symbol). So normally, we faced discriminations in the school society and were called weirdos and demons (duh, considering the school is a Catholic school run by Priests). I remember one thing we did, like levitation spells that goes like "light as a feather stiff as a board" and the rain incantations (oddly IT RAINS!!!, because we did it during rainy seasons...What the hell?)...

Anyways, scary stuffs to be part of it! My Obsession made me evil (in thinking) and worse < I shoplifted a 10 peso Comb in 7-11, to make it less suspicious i bought a gallon of ice cream and some snacks. OOT :D

^^ bumbunan I mean :lol:

^^ Bumbuman?

We did a lot during my 5th and 6th grade... Because me and my classmates was so obsesed with Witchcraft because of that Damn Harry potter. Our Hogwarts System in the school (that had members from grades 4,5,6 1st and 2nd year high)
was converted into a witchcraft society where we do rituals and stuff both local (art of Mambabarangs and kultoism) and foreign(Wicca, Book of Shadows, Pentagram Symbol). So normally, we faced discriminations in the school society and were called weirdos and demons (duh, considering the school is a Catholic school run by Priests). I remember one thing we did, like levitation spells that goes like "light as a feather stiff as a board" and the rain incantations (oddly IT RAINS!!!, because we did it during rainy seasons...What the hell?)...

Anyways, scary stuffs to be part of it! My Obsession made me evil (in thinking) and worse < I shoplifted a 10 peso Comb in 7-11, to make it less suspicious i bought a gallon of ice cream and some snacks. OOT :D

Haha! ako naman nung gradeschool sinubukan kong kulamin yung hinayupak kong seatmate na kawatan using some rituals I learned from my yaya. Aba efective! two weeks umabsent dahil nagka-high fever daw!:lol: kaya lang nung huli tumigil na ako.....baka kasi makarma eh!,yeah and it kinda make me evil as well;) kaya ganito na ako ngaun:angel:

uy ... kumpleto na ang lineup ng mga tao sa SSC... may mga mangkukulam pala dito,...

so guys, be careful in posting your pics...:lol: :lol:

^^ hehe Lolz... The Picture Kulam? we tried that too! but didnt work (of course) :bash: :D

I've just heard that the Hogwarts System we started in 2002 in my previous school was revived last January but didnt last... hehe Hindi Marunong Mag Lead yung Younger generations :P and it is considered illegal naman kasi para na siyang fraternity... Only... Walang Palo sa likod Initiation

^^ haha sira! ewan ko ngaba trny ko nga manggayuma lately pero hindi na yata effective bertud ko...nasobrahan na yata ako sa Tuba at Mountain Dew:lol:

^^ madali lang mag gayuma................ Love Pill :naughty:

i know the rituals you are talking about. it is also popular in ormoc and other parts of leyte. when we are sick, the ritual is also done to take away the curse and heal the person. and we do know some popular way of performing barang and lumay (gayuma).

^^ nyaha bukid I forgot waray ka nga rin pala!,naku you also know some way of barang and gayuma? baka matakot na sa waray mga taga SSC nyan?:lol: :lol: ,pero honga kung antique daw maraming aswang sa Leyte at Samar naman daw ang maraming barangan at mangkukulam....afraid!:ohno: :lol:

all you need, both in barang and gayuma, is a piece of something that can represent the person like his shirt, his pen, his cap, his hair, or a picture basta may part ng tao na nandoon sa picture kahit daliri lang ang nakikita ayos na.

then a knowledge in the ancient incantations and make an offering, summoning the spirits of the ancestors dwelling in the forests and the sea to take your offering then you proceed with the ritual of barang or gayuma with more incantations.

for a more powerful barang and gayuma, you need a "virtud" that is kinda like a battery or a power source of that special energy that would ensure the effectivity of the barang and gayuma. the food of the "virtud" are the incantations and the rituals that recharged the power of the virtud.

baga hiya hin celfon rechargeable. mayda pa ngayan usa pa ka probinsya na kilala ha barang, ito amo an siquijor.

naku ang mga kampon ni satanas nagkalat :lol:

uy ... kumpleto na ang lineup ng mga tao sa SSC... may mga mangkukulam pala dito,...

so guys, be careful in posting your pics...:lol: :lol:

kulang pa...wala pang aswang :lol:

kulang pa...wala pang aswang :lol:

alright... i consider myself a vampire :lol:
now is the list complete?




... no not yet... Wala pang Tikbalang at mamaw :D

^^may malaking lumang bahay kami sa front yard namin...baka naman gusto nyong rentahan para gawing HQ ng kulto nyo?

who wants to try the effectivity of our barang and lumay? any volunteer? please kindly raise your hands.

P.S. walang gustong magvolunteer... testingan ko nala kun mabisa ba it lumay kan smokingunmanila para maruyag na hiya kan tootjap agud di na magpinan-away kay nahinumdum ak na gin-away na gihap ak hinin nga tawo.

tagalog translation:

subukan ko nalang ang kapangyarihan ng gayuma upang hindi na maging magka-away sina smokingunmanila at tootjap. subukan kaya natin na gawing mapagmahal si smokingunmanila dahil naaalala ko inaway na rin ako noon ni smokingunmanila. masubukan nga ang bisa ng virtud sa kabilugan ng buwan. :naughty:

Filipino Money Dance or Pin the Money

As Filipinos, we have this tradition of pinning paper bills to the bride and groom while they are dancing around aptly called 'Money Dance".
other countries have the same or almost the same variations of this ritual.

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... when I got married, maraming peke na dollar bills, kaya siguro I have to suffer for the rest of my married life.... :nuts:



* This should be in the heritage section if we have to take this thread seriously.

a, basta ako asian ako. hehhee. we use soy sauce, patis, ginger, garlic, onions, bagoong in our daily cooking. kaya asians tayo. :)

ah, ganoon ba. bakit kaya sa geography tulad ng central asians na mga kirkiz, kazakhs, uzbeks, manchus, mongols at iranians, o di kaya ang mga south asians tulad ng mga afganis, pakistanis, indians, o di kaya ang mga middle eastern asians tulad ng mga arabo at israeli na hindi gumagamit ng patis at bagoong sa pagluto ay asian din. hindi lahat ng asian ay kumain ng bigas o kaning araw araw. hindi rin lahat ng "asian" ay singkit at mongolian ang lahi.

kailan ba naging bansa o isang cultura ang asian? kung sana tumigil na lang kayo sa geography ay pwede pa. meron pang naglagay dito na ang mongoloid race based on skull structure are "asians." bakit ayaw ninyong maging pilipino muna bago kayo pumunta sa pekeng nacionalidad na asian. kinahihiya ba ninyo ang inyong bansa at cultura ninyo kaya pinagtatakpan ng "asian"? puro kaplastikan lang yang ginagawa ninyo. ang totoo ay mas mahal pa ninyong maging pekeng nacionalidad na asian imbes na pilipino.

bagnot

our nationality is filipino,... and filipinos are asian,... okey that's it, leave it at that...

i say pacififasian

Filipinos are neither Asian, Pacific Islander, or Hispanic. They're delicious.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/louman84/image_322170.jpg

:lol: :lol:

^^ :rofl: That's great comic relief from all the seriousness going on here in this thread! :bow:

ah, ganoon ba. bakit kaya sa geography tulad ng central asians na mga kirkiz, kazakhs, uzbeks, manchus, mongols at iranians, o di kaya ang mga south asians tulad ng mga afganis, pakistanis, indians, o di kaya ang mga middle eastern asians tulad ng mga arabo at israeli na hindi gumagamit ng patis at bagoong sa pagluto ay asian din. hindi lahat ng asian ay kumain ng bigas o kaning araw araw. hindi rin lahat ng "asian" ay singkit at mongolian ang lahi.

kailan ba naging bansa o isang cultura ang asian? kung sana tumigil na lang kayo sa geography ay pwede pa. meron pang naglagay dito na ang mongoloid race based on skull structure are "asians." bakit ayaw ninyong maging pilipino muna bago kayo pumunta sa pekeng nacionalidad na asian. kinahihiya ba ninyo ang inyong bansa at cultura ninyo kaya pinagtatakpan ng "asian"? puro kaplastikan lang yang ginagawa ninyo. ang totoo ay mas mahal pa ninyong maging pekeng nacionalidad na asian imbes na pilipino.

bagnot

sinabi ko ba na kinakahiya ko ang pagka pilipino? :bash: pilipino ako, at ang pilipino asian. kaya lang nagkakagulo dito kasi may ibang foreigners na ang akala pacific islanders tayo. anu ba yan pinalalaki pa ang istorya.

i say pacififasian

:lol:

I wanna headbutt filipino's who claim they're pacific islanders. We've been categorized as asians for so long, leave it at that.

There was this girl on my school bus and she was like, "Oh she's an asian filipino, I'm the Pacific Islander kind". If only she wasn't a friend of my friends, I would have given her a lecture lol.

Weren't Filipinos always Asians? The way I see it, 'yong mga nasa Pilipinas na Pinoy, Asiano talaga ang tingin sa sarili, because that's what's being taught and then 'pag nakatuntong na sa ibang bansa (not necessarily all of them though), parang iniiba na ang identity para kalimutan kuno ang mga karanasan sa inang bayan. :dunno:

^^ No matter what anyone says, we are what we are...

we are Flipnoys! ---- :lol:


Ang Pacific Islanders ay yung mga Pinoys na lumaki o pinanganak sa Hawaii, Guam and other Pacific Islands.

Mas matindi yung barkada ko na Chamoro... sabi niya Asian Islander daw siya... buwahahaha! (who will argue with him? he was a former college linebacker)

Yung mga Indians sa Trinidad and Tobago, preferred category nila Asian.

^^ It's the same in the UK. When you say Asians there, more often than not people think of Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, and/or Sri Lankans.

our nationality is filipino,... and filipinos are asian,... okey that's it, leave it at that...

yes, filipinos are asian but we are also hispanic and pacific islander. we can leave all that jazz had we simply stuck to being filipino. filipinos who claim to be hispanic or asian or pacific islanders are not lying to themselves. they are all true to our identity and thats why we are filipino. to go to the lowest common denominator to attempt to pigeonhole us demeans us. being filipino covers all the bases that make up the totality of our historical and cultural experiences. instead of asian pride lets join hands and proclaim FILIPINO PRIDE.

bagnot

^^ Wash your hands first! :lol: Just kidding! :jk: Peace bro! :nocrook:

Sample of Pacific Islanders: and most of them have Pinoy relatives. :)

They won the 2007 Merrie Monarch Wahine Kahiko Division.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=W_b9x8uPMwc

If we stayed longer in Hickam AFB, my daughter would really love to be a part of this festival.

Then we could be called Hilaw na Pasipit Ay!-landers. :lol:



(anak... magastos yan at maraming oras na sakripisyo) ~ :lol:

Here's the 2003 winner, daming Pinoy talaga sa Hilo.
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yes, filipinos are asian but we are also hispanic and pacific islander. we can leave all that jazz had we simply stuck to being filipino. filipinos who claim to be hispanic or asian or pacific islanders are not lying to themselves. they are all true to our identity and thats why we are filipino. to go to the lowest common denominator to attempt to pigeonhole us demeans us. being filipino covers all the bases that make up the totality of our historical and cultural experiences. instead of asian pride lets join hands and proclaim FILIPINO PRIDE.

bagnot

How about just simply A HUMAN BEING? Does it really matter what background anybody has in their veins or blood? We all can feel, think, feels hunger, smiles, cry and what have you. Race, ethinicity is just a state of mind... Everybody has its own flaws or imperfections.

none of the above...we're Filipinos, a mix of the best (and sadly, some of the worst) of both worlds...

I hate categorizing Filipinos into either Asian or Pacific Islander because we are so different compared to those two. I've read in this thread that in some to-be-filled legal papers in the US, we are put in a separate category as "Filipino". I like that better because we exist in our own world (huh?).

No, seriously do you even like this classification thingy? Like I mean, we are people, we eat, we breathe air, we drink water, we poop, we sleep, I see no reason to fuss about these classifications.

:hilarious

Ce: Oye, kaalegre baya diri. Wa pa giud sila maghuman diay, porvida’ng yawa. Usahay, nagadamgo ako...Bwa ha ha ha…

En: It’s alive! It’s alive! (to the tune of Frankenstein). The thread is alive! Laugh laugh laugh…

Ta: Uy, di pa pala tapos ‘to? ‘Langhiya, di na talaga nagkaige. Hanggang sa dulo ng walang hanggan. (did Rey Valera sing the original? <singit> oops, mali si Eddie Peregrina nga pala) Tawa tawa tawa…

:rofl:

:cheers:

Asian Fo Sho, people that think they are Pacific Islanders obviously havn't been there.

Asians of course! :D

Asian Fo Sho, people that think they are Pacific Islanders obviously havn't been there.

Filipino Fo Sho. and i'll butt heads with anyone who forces me to say i am asian by nationality or culture. like i said those who claim a non-existent nationality or culture named "asian" really hates being filipino. i am filipino first and asian by geography label only. it is dead last and irrelevant to my being filipino.

btw. been there and done that as to pacific islanders. there is a connection in languages and pre-hispanic cosmology with pinoys.


Filipino Fo Sho. kung ayaw ninyo tanggapin ito bumalik na lang kayo sa bansang asia kung saan man lupalop iyun. good luck.

datu bagnot, the as-panic-lander, he he he

Human first, Filipino second, Asian third.

Overall I belong to the Human race.

Everyone's entitled to their opinions and we can't deny them that, you, and I mean everyone here, has no right to force the issue upon another if they see it differently from your own point of view. Just accept the fact that there's no right or wrong about it. All this is, is an endless pointless cycle of debating with no foreseeable conclusion or acceptable answer. Agree to disagree on the matter.

why do people have to pigeon hole filipinos into labels with other cultures when there are differences. i think this is ridiculous and really racial if one takes a look at it closely. up to now i dont know what single similarity on language and culture really connotes being so-called asian as a sweeping generalization of filipinos in comparison with other "asians."

the austronesians to whom filipinos and other pacific islander groups like the samoans or hawaiians belong are a southern branch of the mongoloid "race". this doesnt mean that austronesians are chinese because the "chinese" are another branch of the mongoloid "race". though they both belong to the same racial category differentiating them from the caucasoid and the negroid.


are filipinos asians or pacific islanders? i think this is dumb. why cant people not accept who they are, in that filipinos, are hispanized austronesians by culture, as well as, asian by geography, and pacific islander because of the same family of language and cultures.

why cant we not just be filipinos instead of shortchanging ourselves by limiting ourselves to just asian or whatnot. asian is not a country nor a culture. asian has myriad of cultures and ethnic groups. why cant people not see it instead of being racialist about it.

we are filipinos with all our quirks. so what the heck is the matter with you people. we are simply filipinos.

bagnot
>>why do people have to pigeon hole filipinos into labels with other cultures when there are differences. i think this is ridiculous and really racial if one takes a look at it closely. up to now i dont know what single similarity on language and culture really connotes being so-called asian as a sweeping generalization of filipinos in comparison with other "asians."<<

No similarities in language and culture??? There are alot of root words in any filipino languages that is similar to the other asian countries? Culture?? Filipinos might have spanish influences but you can still trace the similarities in culture as with the neighboring asian countries... So, it can not only be hispanized it's a blend of other culture also...

Everyone's entitled to their opinions and we can't deny them that, you, and I mean everyone here, has no right to force the issue upon another if they see it differently from your own point of view. Just accept the fact that there's no right or wrong about it. All this is, is an endless pointless cycle of debating with no foreseeable conclusion or acceptable answer. Agree to disagree on the matter.

Yeah, it's a useless debate... It only would end up in a wrong opinion towards filipinos by other nationalities who happen to drop in and see the debates among filipinos in this thread. Filipinos might not care as to what other people all over the world would think about them, but I'm sure, they don't want to be looked down upon.

I mean. What's the deal? Filipino as asian, hispanized filipino??? Pacific Islander?? Does it really matter? Is it offensive?? Even if Josepepe is mistaken for a chinese, viet or thai? Is it like a curse to be mistaken as one? So what if you are a hispanized filipino?? big deal.... boooo hoooo

At the ongoing Southeast Asian Basketball Association (SEABA) Men's Championship, our opponents are probably wondering if we are really Southeast Asians.:nuts:

At the ongoing Southeast Asian Basketball Association (SEABA) Men's Championship, our opponents are probably wondering if we are really Southeast Asians.:nuts:

Probably the same question that would be asked if our basketball team ever had to play against a team from Latin America. "They're suppose to be Hispanic?" :nuts:

I think it all depends on where in the country you've lived all your life. If you lived in the more Spanish influenced areas of the Luzon, Visayas, or Zamboanga, then you'd probably think Filipinos are Hispanic. If you've lived in an area with a lot of Chinoys, Moros, Igorot/Lumad, Asian expatriates, etc, then you'd think Filipinos are Asian.

If you think only one culture defines the Philippines, then you're probably close minded and enjoy bashing other Filipinos who you think are wrong and end up getting threads locked. :lol: :lol:

I smell a debate that will ultimately go nowhere and this thread getting locked.

I blame Wanch for starting this thread! :lol: :jk: :nocrook:

^^

Ce: Bitaw tinuod, unya mawagtang dayun inig sugod sa gubot...

En: Yes, truly plus the US govt for having such confusing racial entries...

Ta: Oo nga...

@Jhaelnis, BTW why do we have the biggest block here at SSC, as compared to other nationalities? Why are we separate from the other Asian forums?

Over here, we are called "Singipinos" on occasion... :lol: :lol:

Seriously, at job applications, corporate forms and misc govt forms here, invariably there is always a question begging for "race". (Now this is one country also obsessed by it). I dutifully put in "Malay" as how I was taught a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. Choices are Chinese, Malay, Indian, Eurasian, Others. :lol:

Curiously, 100% of the time the Malay clerks would hand back the forms and change my entries from Malay to Others. On the blank space beside Others, they would always dutifully write "Filipino". It happens all the time esp when I applied for residency and eventually citizenship. According to the Malays, my race is Filipino. And that is how it is, that is how it should be ... (& I still looove the Geico commercial) :colgate: :bowtie:

^^
We posted enough to get our own separate board, not because we didn't want anything to do with other Asian SSC forums. We make more posts than most Asian forums combined. Woo hoo!

@Jhaelnis, BTW why do we have the biggest block here at SSC, as compared to other nationalities? Why are we separate from the other Asian forums?



Read this whole thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=306933

A lot of Fil-Ams consider themselves Pacific Islander, mainly because they idolize Hawaiian culture (to the point where some of them consider themselves as "Hawaiians" rather than Filipinos), and the lesser-educated ones argue that they are Pacific Islanders because (I kid you not) "The Philippines are islands in the Pacific."

In that case, Japanese and Taiwanese are Pacific Islanders too :)

I personally consider myself a Los Angeleno even before I consider myself a Filipino or an American.

Probably the same question that would be asked if our basketball team ever had to play against a team from Latin America. "They're suppose to be Hispanic?" :nuts:

I think it all depends on where in the country you've lived all your life. If you lived in the more Spanish influenced areas of the Luzon, Visayas, or Zamboanga, then you'd probably think Filipinos are Hispanic. If you've lived in an area with a lot of Chinoys, Moros, Igorot/Lumad, Asian expatriates, etc, then you'd think Filipinos are Asian.

If you think only one culture defines the Philippines, then you're probably close minded and enjoy bashing other Filipinos who you think are wrong and end up getting threads locked. :lol: :lol:

I smell a debate that will ultimately go nowhere and this thread getting locked.

The picture on PBA's webpage will tell you what I was just trying to say:


www.pba.ph/content/view/1616/59/

^^

Ce: Bitaw tinuod, unya mawagtang dayun inig sugod sa gubot...

En: Yes, truly plus the US govt for having such confusing racial entries...

Ta: Oo nga...

@Jhaelnis, BTW why do we have the biggest block here at SSC, as compared to other nationalities? Why are we separate from the other Asian forums?

Over here, we are called "Singipinos" on occasion... :lol: :lol:

Seriously, at job applications, corporate forms and misc govt forms here, invariably there is always a question begging for "race". (Now this is one country also obsessed by it). I dutifully put in "Malay" as how I was taught a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. Choices are Chinese, Malay, Indian, Eurasian, Others. :lol:

Curiously, 100% of the time the Malay clerks would hand back the forms and change my entries from Malay to Others. On the blank space beside Others, they would always dutifully write "Filipino". It happens all the time esp when I applied for residency and eventually citizenship. According to the Malays, my race is Filipino. And that is how it is, that is how it should be ... (& I still looove the Geico commercial) :colgate: :bowtie:

As far as I know Singapore's Official Languages are Mandarin (Chinese), Bahasa Melayu (Malays), Tamil (Indians), and English (Eurasians). I think they based it on that. Since you're Filipino and a "minority" that don't fall under those categories, you're being asked to fill in under "others" instead.

The picture on PBA's webpage will tell you what I was just trying to say:

www.pba.ph/content/view/1616/59/

Oh, I thought you meant something else. I find it kinda weird with some foreign looking people in our teams. Some of them certainly don't look like balikbayans. I think I remember watching a PBA game on TFC and noticed all the none Filipino looking people. I bet the PBA pays a lot to attract these people to our teams. I'm wonder if they have a certain percentage of Filipino blood in them.

^hay naku... kahit ata yung blood percentage nila ng pagiging pinoy eh kasing laki na lang ng lamok, pilipino pa rin sila...

Oh, I thought you meant something else. I find it kinda weird with some foreign looking people in our teams. Some of them certainly don't look like balikbayans. I think I remember watching a PBA game on TFC and noticed all the none Filipino looking people. I bet the PBA pays a lot to attract these people to our teams. I'm wonder if they have a certain percentage of Filipino blood in them.

Most Fil-Ams I know of who play in the PBA are half- or quarter- Filipino, most do not have Pinoy/Spanish surnames.
Then again I'm 100% Filipino and every time I go to the Philippines, I get called "porener."

Jhaelnis & Louman

Ce: Daghan salamat, mga tabi-an diay kaayo ta, nagsige lag hambal ug lantugi...

En: Thank you. Well, then, we must collectively be a fountainhead of ideas...

Ta: Maraming salamat.


As far as I know Singapore's Official Languages are Mandarin (Chinese), Bahasa Melayu (Malays), Tamil (Indians), and English (Eurasians). I think they based it on that. Since you're Filipino and a "minority" that don't fall under those categories, you're being asked to fill in under "others" instead.

Yea, you are correct about Singapore.

I was merely reflecting on how ironic it was that in the good old days of Martial Law, we were taught that we were Malay-Polynesian blah blah blah and all that brouhaha. Only to find out now in the 21st century, that we are neither of the two, now isn't it ironic? The Malays don't think we are "Malay" enough and the US govt & the Pacific islanders don't think we're "Polynesian". I kid thee not, it is disconcerting in the first year when you're staring at the Malay clerk across the desk with a perplexed look on her face. I was taught absolute rubbish in school!

Ce: Pataka lag tudlo tong amoang mga maestra kamaayong balikan ug lookon...

En: Oh, the joys of the Phil. educational system...

Ta: Kun ayaw nila, e di 'wag. Filipino pa rin...

Some educators we got back then. All that silly talk about Rizal adopting the name Rizal because he wanted to be Malay, all that dugong kayumanggi bluster, changing the Philippines to Maharlika and all those other Marcos inventions. Sheesh kabab, spooky. :lol:

^^ You don't have to tell me, I lived in Singapore when I was a kid, and I know all too well the feeling of not being "Malay" enough. If they want to categorize Filipinos as their own "race" then so be it. We can stand on our own anyway.

^^

:) Aiya, lah? Boleh! You should come visit again after they finish their much vaunted 2 integrated casino resorts before the end of the decade.

Most Fil-Ams I know of who play in the PBA are half- or quarter- Filipino, most do not have Pinoy/Spanish surnames.
Then again I'm 100% Filipino and every time I go to the Philippines, I get called "porener."

may mga balibalita na nabibili lang ang pangalan at ancestry sa samar. you can always declare yourself a filipino even if you don't have a miniscule drop of filipino blood by just going to samar and have someone declare you (for a small fee) as a kin. even if your mom is really a tongan or samoan or thai etc... and after you find a false relative who would attest you are their kin, you would go to the municipal registrar and make them do a birth certificate for you on the premise of late registration because di pa naman daw uso sa maraming lugar doon noon ang magparegister ng mga kapanganakan kaya maihahabol pa yan bayaran mo lang ang mga tao doon. :)

narinig ko, maraming PBA na "fil-am" (daw) na doon nagpagawa para maging "fil-am" talaga.

ako naman mukha daw akong arabo (sabi ng mama sa jeep, sa airport, sa tindahan, sa grocery ng SM san Lazaro) :ohno:
everybody tells me that :bash:
purket ba taga middle east ako arabo na ko :lol:

^well at least hindi nila sinabing amoy arabo ka noh

Oh, I thought you meant something else. I find it kinda weird with some foreign looking people in our teams. Some of them certainly don't look like balikbayans. I think I remember watching a PBA game on TFC and noticed all the none Filipino looking people. I bet the PBA pays a lot to attract these people to our teams. I'm wonder if they have a certain percentage of Filipino blood in them.

They import talents, just like here in America. Yao came directly from China and used to not speak a single english word. Now he is one of the best basketball players in NBA...

^^ Well, I guess just as long as team Philippines is kicking ass and taking names then I shouldn't be complaining then. haha.

Most Fil-Ams I know of who play in the PBA are half- or quarter- Filipino, most do not have Pinoy/Spanish surnames.
Then again I'm 100% Filipino and every time I go to the Philippines, I get called "porener."

That is so funny!! :rofl:

Reminds me of a story about a Filipina with a thick Visayan accent waiting for a bus to go downtown L.A. Bus finally came and the bus driver opened the door - and she asked (with a thick Visayan accent) "Are you going to Hell? (meaning Hill St) and the driver responded - "The midnight bus does but not this one" and closes the door.

To all my Visayan friends, just having fun here - OK? :)

^^ Then there was the story of a Visayan nurse that had difficulty communicating with the American doctor because of her thick accent. The doctor didn't get what she was saying because she kept on saying "Chicken and Bread!" Finally the doctor told her to write it down for him to read what she meant to say, and she wrote "She can't breathe!" :lol:

Jhaelnis & Louman

Ce: Daghan salamat, mga tabi-an diay kaayo ta, nagsige lag hambal ug lantugi...

En: Thank you. Well, then, we must collectively be a fountainhead of ideas...

Ta: Maraming salamat.




Yea, you are correct about Singapore.

I was merely reflecting on how ironic it was that in the good old days of Martial Law, we were taught that we were Malay-Polynesian blah blah blah and all that brouhaha. Only to find out now in the 21st century, that we are neither of the two, now isn't it ironic? The Malays don't think we are "Malay" enough and the US govt & the Pacific islanders don't think we're "Polynesian". I kid thee not, it is disconcerting in the first year when you're staring at the Malay clerk across the desk with a perplexed look on her face. I was taught absolute rubbish in school!

Ce: Pataka lag tudlo tong amoang mga maestra kamaayong balikan ug lookon...

En: Oh, the joys of the Phil. educational system...

Ta: Kun ayaw nila, e di 'wag. Filipino pa rin...

Some educators we got back then. All that silly talk about Rizal adopting the name Rizal because he wanted to be Malay, all that dugong kayumanggi bluster, changing the Philippines to Maharlika and all those other Marcos inventions. Sheesh kabab, spooky. :lol:

Of course Filipino came from the Malay race, however in Singapore and Malaysia since their main race is Malay, Chinese, Tamil, Eurasian and etc.

If you are Pinoy and you fill up a government form example Tax declaration - if you put your race as Malay when you are a Filipino then there will be confusion in their records. So they always reject for a Filipino to write in their government forms that they were of Malay race. You have to write under the race column your race is Filipino or Philippine.

That is so funny!! :rofl:

Reminds me of a story about a Filipina with a thick Visayan accent waiting for a bus to go downtown L.A. Bus finally came and the bus driver opened the door - and she asked (with a thick Visayan accent) "Are you going to Hell? (meaning Hill St) and the driver responded - "The midnight bus does but not this one" and closes the door.

To all my Visayan friends, just having fun here - OK? :)


^^ Then there was the story of a Visayan nurse that had difficulty communicating with the American doctor because of her thick accent. The doctor didn't get what she was saying because she kept on saying "Chicken and Bread!" Finally the doctor told her to write it down for him to read what she meant to say, and she wrote "She can't breathe!" :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Of course Filipino came from the Malay race, however in Singapore and Malaysia since their main race is Malay, Chinese, Tamil, Eurasian and etc.

If you are Pinoy and you fill up a government form example Tax declaration - if you put your race as Malay when you are a Filipino then there will be confusion in their records. So they always reject for a Filipino to write in their government forms that they were of Malay race. You have to write under the race column your race is Filipino or Philippine.


Why, yes, of course, surprise, surprise... (as if I don’t know it already). The point here being, the definition of race varies in minute detail from country to country. The Phil. definition is just different from theirs. It is all a govt thingy, like how this thread started.

:lol:

Asian (in all aspects Genetic, Linguistic and Geologic... when it comes to cultural - we are mor eof admixture)

my decision is influenced by the following:

1. "A Predominantly Indigenous Paternal Heritage for the Austronesian-Speaking Peoples of Insular Southeast Asia and Oceania." Cristian Capelli, et. al. Am. J. Hum. Genet. 68:432-443, 2001.

2. "Traces of Archaic Mitochondrial Lineages Persist in Austronesian-Speaking Formosan Populations." Jean A. Trejaut, et. al. PLOS Biology, Vol 3, Issue 8, e247, August, 2005.

3. Genes, Peoples and Languages. Cavalli-Sforza, Luigi Luca. North Point Press, 1999.

4. Genetic Evidence for the Proto-Austronesian Homeland in Asia: mtDNA
and Nuclear DNA Variation in Taiwanese Aboriginal Tribes. Terry Melton, et. al. Am. J. Hum. Genet. 63:1807–1823, 1998

5. http://dienekes.blogspot.com/

6. "Melanesian origin of Polynesian Y Chromosomes." Kayser M., et. al. Curr Biol 10: 1237-1246, 2000

7. "Polynesian origins: insights from the Y chromosome." Su B, et. al., Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2000 Jul 18;97(15):8225-8

8. http://w3.rz-berlin.mpg.de/~wm/wm3.html

9. "Cenozioc Plate tectonic reconstructions of SE Asia." Robert Hall, 1997

10. Mismeasure of Man. Stephen Jay Gould, 1981 - invalidity of craniometry/race and other biological determinism in classification of race.

11. http://www.ethnologue.com/

Filipino Fo Sho. and i'll butt heads with anyone who forces me to say i am asian by nationality or culture. like i said those who claim a non-existent nationality or culture named "asian" really hates being filipino. i am filipino first and asian by geography label only. it is dead last and irrelevant to my being filipino.

btw. been there and done that as to pacific islanders. there is a connection in languages and pre-hispanic cosmology with pinoys.


Filipino Fo Sho. kung ayaw ninyo tanggapin ito bumalik na lang kayo sa bansang asia kung saan man lupalop iyun. good luck.

datu bagnot, the as-panic-lander, he he he

I didn't read the question properly, I though it was pacific or asian. Techinically They are called Austronesians, same group as indonesians.

a, basta ako asian ako. hehhee. we use soy sauce, patis, ginger, garlic, onions, bagoong in our daily cooking. kaya asians tayo. :)
Tama iyan, hindi na kailangang pagtalunan ang bagay na iyan. Simple lang, kung Asian man dapat bangitin mo na Filipino ka dahil ang Asian ay pwedeng sabihing Instik ka ba?, Indian ka ba? o arabo ka ba?. Aba naman hindi naman tayo mukhang instik, indian, o arabo dahil tayo mukhang Pinoy!! Heto pa,
Kung mag fill up tayo ng Forms na magtatanong kung anong lahi.. derestso agad FILIPINO (Tisoy man o native).
Ang halimbawang ito ay pwede nating ikumpara sa kasarian.. Lalake o Babae, kaya dalawa lang!! Hindi pwedeng ilagay ninyo na ikaw ay Bakla o Tumboy. Ganon na lang, tanggapin natin ang true, mag paka true tayo. MABUHAY!!! VIVA!!!

do you think Filipino being intolerant to the gays?

^^ What's your point?

do you think Filipino being intolerant to the gays?

Filipinos are more open to different sexual orientation of anyone.

Now,

Is that a factor of being Asian? :wink2:

^^ well sort of.... kama sutra came from asia, India to be exact :lol:

^^ Now, I need to change my statement :


Filipinos are more open to different sexual position of anyone.

Now,

Is that a factor of being Asian? :lol:

Filipinos are more open to different sexual orientation of anyone.

Now,

Is that a factor of being Asian? :wink2:

I had never seen so many trannys since I went to Philippines, they're everywhere!

^^ Then there was the story of a Visayan nurse that had difficulty communicating with the American doctor because of her thick accent. The doctor didn't get what she was saying because she kept on saying "Chicken and Bread!" Finally the doctor told her to write it down for him to read what she meant to say, and she wrote "She can't breathe!" :lol:

Okay, I got another one. My mom (who's a nurse) told me this, and it's actually a true story...

An elderly Filipino man was being hospitalized in a big hospital in a major US city and he was in excruciating pain all day. The day shift nurse, an American, tended to this guy and heard his cries. So she went and gave him a cup of apple juice to satisfy his request. But he would not drink it.

An hour later, the old man cried in anguish again, and the American nurse once again gave him a cup of apple juice, which again he did not drink.

This went on until the evening, when the night shift nurse - a Filipina - took over. The day shift nurse explained to her how this old man kept crying for apple juice and but that he would not drink it when it was given to him.

Concerned, the Pinay nurse assured the other nurse that she would look into this situation.

When the man started crying in pain again, the Filipina night shift nurse rushed to his bedside and heard him loud and clear.

"APONG DIYOS!!!!" he screamed.

^^ :lol:

I
I guess you can group the "Asians" as the people who use chopsticks? :dunno:


Thais do not use chopsticks...they spoon-and-fork it like we do.


I see Asian people as people who:

- Are born with straight black hair.
- Eat rice.
- Have social structures that revolve around the family (including extended family)
- In social interactions, do not like to lose face.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3527/asiannationalitiesfloweuo0.gif

Tripartite Asia

^^ that is so cool,....

it is and simple to know what u are, just look yourself in the mirror.. thats what u are.. :P

- Are born with straight black hair.


does this mean i'm not one?
:uh:

lol

I didn't read the question properly, I though it was pacific or asian. Techinically They are called Austronesians, same group as indonesians.

chris,

pacific or asian or in the case of filipinos which may be also categorized as asian hispanic mean austronesian ultimately. so i agree. austronesian whether pacific islander, 'asian' and asian hispanic is the real thing. like the old commercial in coke. its the real thing. austronesian it is.

datu bagnot, the as-panic-lander

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3527/asiannationalitiesfloweuo0.gif

Tripartite Asia

tis nothing more than geography. dont forget your geography 101. the middle east is in the continent of asia. of course if you are another cartographer you can invent another new continent called the middle east. but its ridiculous because this would be the first time and it takes time for it to sink in to make it real, right?

datu bagnot, the as-panic-lander and self appointed geography teacher, hehehehe

tis nothing more than geography. dont forget your geography 101. the middle east is in the continent of asia. of course if you are another cartographer you can invent another new continent called the middle east. but its ridiculous because this would be the first time and it takes time for it to sink in to make it real, right?

datu bagnot, the as-panic-lander and self appointed geography teacher, hehehehe

:lol: Asian Hispanic ka naman diyan.... :lol:

To each his own....whatever floats your boat. :ohno:

Afropino
Europino
Austropino
Russopino
Sinopino
Latinopino
Aboriginopino
Masaipino
Ameripino
Francopino
Anglopino
Lusopino
Scandipino
Arabopino
Hebrewpino

....just add more if you like. It only proves that you can't put a Filipino into just any one box and make broad statements about it. :colgate:

My friend who's dad was a Latino from East LA and his mom is a Pinay likes to be called a Chicanoy. :nuts: And has been married to a Korean for the past 20+ years.

"ahn young ha say yo que paso" :lol:

To each his own....whatever floats your boat. :ohno:

Afropino
Europino
Austropino
Russopino
Sinopino
Latinopino
Aboriginopino
Masaipino
Ameripino
Francopino
Anglopino
Lusopino
Scandipino
Arabopino
Hebrewpino

....just add more if you like. It only proves that you can't put a Filipino into just any one box and make broad statements about it. :colgate:


Pinongpino :colgate:

:lol: Asian Hispanic ka naman diyan.... :lol:

lol din. basahin mo uli ang sinabsab ko.my nationality and culture is filipino and my bisayan identity is part of that filipino nation. i am more than happy to be just filipino. if you want to be technical about it i am austronesian like the pacific islanders and the other "asians" by geography like the indonesians and the malays. so when i described asian hispanic that means both geography and cultural identities. its not one or the other. its the same with pacific islander because of prehispanic connection with them. intindihin mo ang sinusulat ko at ng hindi tayo mabaliw sa kahahati ng nacionalidad at cultura ng mga pinoy. yung hanggang pa asian asian lang ay kalokohan ng mga unggoy yaon. hehehehe. filipino pride ol da wey.

datu bagnot, the as(ian)-(his)panic-(pacific is)lander, equals filipino. oh ayan dat covers ol da bases of being filipino.

Ce: Aguy, ginoo. Caluod sa guiatay, mga bai nganung ana-a may naghaloc nga batman ug robin didto sa unahan. Ilalom pa giud sa acong awahing post!

En: Keep quiet.

Ta: ayoko na nga muna dito. Di ba may malaswa duon sa mga nauna o old fashioned lang ako.

:shocked: :runaway:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipinos_of_Spanish_descent

only 3.6 of filipinos have hispanic and american ancestry... 2% are hispanic

therefore it's kinda overhyped and pathetic to call ourselves filipinos as asian amercian or hispanic asian....

Our neighbors indonsia and malaysia had also been colonies with mixed ancestries and hong kong and macau and had also been colonies...

But you dont see them often to mind it or argue or think about it too much. It's only here in the philippines becoz some people dont want to be called pinoy becoz they want to be affiliated with spansih or american ancestry becoz they want to be classified as belonging to the higher hierachy.

But people from other countries when they see us we just overall malay asians and i don't know what got into some of the forumers heads here to insist and think that we filipinos are spanish and we are latin country when we are not.

so easiet way to know is look in mirror plsss.... end of story... :)

:lol: Asian Hispanic ka naman diyan.... :lol:

He wanted to drag Philippines across the Pacific ocean and put it right next to Mexico.
If I can do that, Ill place it right next to California. :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipinos_of_Spanish_descent

only 3.6 of filipinos have hispanic and american ancestry... 2% are hispanic

therefore it's kinda overhyped and pathetic to call ourselves filipinos as asian amercian or hispanic asian....

Our neighbors indonsia and malaysia had also been colonies with mixed ancestries and hong kong and macau and had also been colonies...

But you dont see them often to mind it or argue or think about it too much. It's only here in the philippines becoz some people dont want to be called pinoy becoz they want to be affiliated with spansih or american ancestry becoz they want to be classified as belonging to the higher hierachy.

But people from other countries when they see us we just overall malay asians and i don't know what got into some of the forumers heads here to insist and think that we filipinos are spanish and we are latin country when we are not.

so easiet way to know is look in mirror plsss.... end of story... :)


huh? binasa mo ba ang mga sinulat ko? who said anything about ancestry? its the cultural influence that defines filipinos. but be that as it may your figure of 2% spanish ancestry or whatever european ancestry you read somewhere is disputable. thats not even the point i am making. it is your exaggeration in describing asian or asia as if there is a single race, nationality and culture in asia. yan lang po. and as for your higher hierarcy argument basahin mo at intindihin mo ang sulat ko.

datu bagnot the as panic lander hehehe

He wanted to drag Philippines across the Pacific ocean and put it right next to Mexico.
If I can do that, Ill place it right next to California. :lol:

isa ka pa. kailangan mo siguro magsalamin. ano namang kabalbalan ang sinulat mo. here are the points i made: cultural influences. identities. what makes a filipino filipino. the proper reading of geographical identities and not some misrepresentation that there is such a thing as an asian race. well, mahirap talagang umintindi sa utak na nakatanim sa guniguni at lagim.

datu bagnot the as-panic-lander and self appointed lecturer of filipino identity sa mga tuliro . hehehehe :banana:

^^ Kung wala sa iyo ang Asian culture or any connections with other Asian ancestries, e di wala. :lol:

Different races are socio-politically defined by different factors and most of the time each person have a different opinion.

For those who have a problem with their identity, just check all the boxes that you think that are appropriate on any official forms that you need to fill.
Most of the time, they are just for statistical purpose.
On casual conversation with other people of a different race, say what ever you want to be. You can even say you are hispanic but you have to be one.
Pag sinabi mo naman na Pacific Islander ka, kelangan marunong ka kumain ng poi or poke. :lol:

Which I know most of you guys know how to. :bash:

^^ @tsinoy: dude you're hilarious! :hilarious

To everyone:
I say, keep your opinions to yourselves since they're yours and yours alone anyway, no need influencing other people whose minds are already made up. Getting another human being to see things your way makes you look desperate and insecure. I say be all of them, we Filipinos are "mutts" anyway, we can be anything we want to be if we believe we can do it. So y'all stop complaining, campaigning, and slinging mud at each other. Just be.

^^ Kung wala sa iyo ang Asian culture or any connections with other Asian ancestries, e di wala. :lol:

Different races are socio-politically defined by different factors and most of the time each person have a different opinion.

For those who have a problem with their identity, just check all the boxes that you think that are appropriate on any official forms that you need to fill.
Most of the time, they are just for statistical purpose.
On casual conversation with other people of a different race, say what ever you want to be. You can even say you are hispanic but you have to be one.
Pag sinabi mo naman na Pacific Islander ka, kelangan marunong ka kumain ng poi or poke. :lol:

Which I know most of you guys know how to. :bash:

no, its not a matter of personal opinion but the truth. more often than not it is the one value that is the casualty with the constant labeling and parceling of my country. the filipino identity is defined by factors of culture, history and oh yes geography. my point is simple enough that even a grade one pupil can understand it. i am filipino. with all the factors that made my nation and my country what i am. filipino pride sa madaling salita. i dont give a hoot about the continent with a myriad of cultures and nations. bansa ko muna bago sila.

datu bagnot, the as-panic-lander or whatever. filipino. yan ang lahi ko.

no, its not a matter of personal opinion but the truth. more often than not it is the one value that is the casualty with the constant labeling and parceling of my country. the filipino identity is defined by factors of culture, history and oh yes geography. my point is simple enough that even a grade one pupil can understand it. i am filipino. with all the factors that made my nation and my country what i am. filipino pride sa madaling salita. i dont give a hoot about the continent with a myriad of cultures and nations. bansa ko muna bago sila.

datu bagnot, the as-panic-lander or whatever. filipino. yan ang lahi ko.

Truth? Filipino pride, Asian pride, regional pride ~ diyan nagkalukoluko ang isipan ng mga Pinoys.

Buti hindi pa pumasok dito si Tenyente Tigs, dadagdagan pa yan ng pride tsiken. :lol:


(asan na ba yung mapa na Pinas na nilagay malapit sa Latin America?):lol:

nakow, para alang gulo mag-inoman nalang tayow.:cheers1: o, tagay na mga pare kow! :cheers2: kapag nalasing uwi na tayow.

^^ oo nga mabuti pa... :cheers: .....

^^ :cheers1:

^^ Just don't drive when drunk. :lol:


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Flavored Lambanog

:drool:

wow sarap siguro nyan. masubukan nga.

Wow, the flavored lambanogs look so sexy.

those were our party favorite during highschool,.... bubblegum flavor is the best...

nakow, para alang gulo mag-inoman nalang tayow.:cheers1: o, tagay na mga pare kow! :cheers2: kapag nalasing uwi na tayow.

Dali.. gumawa tayo ng mga Jaeger Bombs... gwahaha...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/louman84/sam_tagalog_0205.gif

I'd like to have some of them Tagalog girl scout cookies. Tagalizta flavor so I can tell those provinces who's boss. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dali.. gumawa tayo ng mga Jaeger Bombs... gwahaha...

:laugh: nakow, huwag na, lasing na akow. :drunk:

no, its not a matter of personal opinion but the truth. more often than not it is the one value that is the casualty with the constant labeling and parceling of my country. the filipino identity is defined by factors of culture, history and oh yes geography. my point is simple enough that even a grade one pupil can understand it. i am filipino. with all the factors that made my nation and my country what i am. filipino pride sa madaling salita. i dont give a hoot about the continent with a myriad of cultures and nations. bansa ko muna bago sila.

datu bagnot, the as-panic-lander or whatever. filipino. yan ang lahi ko.

This feller still confused with his identity??LOL Good Lord!!! Hispanic? filipino ? Bisayan? American or what?? Maybe he oughta join Geico caveman's shrink help advice like in Geico Direct commercial in the states... LOL

For someone who claims to be a proud filipino is the one who chose to have an american citizenship and not just greencard.. Next thing I knew, this guy would claim that the filipinos would find roots in Antartica if not Mars..LOL

One piece of advice , becareful claiming to be hispanic, you might end up being mistaken to possess fake documents and be deported to Mexico rather than the Philippines.. In that case you'd be SOL (Sh*t Out of luck) LOL

i found this vlog in youtube, an asian american guy shares his opinions and points out that filipinos are not really asians but pacific islanders. ang dahilan niya:a) hindi singkit ang mga pinoy b) nasa pacific ocean ang pinas at hindi connected sa asia c) at kung anu-ano pang kababawan etc etc.. ayoko ko sanang patulan pero hindi ako makapagpigil. ang sarap kasing pukpokin sa ulo eh..:bash: :bash:

sh*t! ni hindi man lang nag research muna bago gumawa ng kung anu-anong claim.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=f2GtCJewVKI

guys, paano ba mag post ng youtube videos?:dunno:

i found this vlog in youtube, an asian american guy shares his opinions and points out that filipinos are not really asians but pacific islanders. ang dahilan niya:a) hindi singkit ang mga pinoy b) nasa pacific ocean ang pinas at hindi connected sa asia c) at kung anu-ano pang kababawan etc etc.. ayoko ko sanang patulan pero hindi ako makapagpigil. ang sarap kasing pukpokin sa ulo eh..:bash: :bash:

sh*t! ni hindi man lang nag research muna bago gumawa ng kung anu-anong claim.

You can say the same thing about the Indonesians. They're also not chinky-eyed (majority) and their country is an archipelago not connected to the Asian mainland.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=f2GtCJewVKI

guys, paano ba mag post ng youtube videos?:dunno:

Like this....

f2GtCJewVKI
Link (http://youtube.com/watch?v=f2GtCJewVKI)

^^ There's so many misconceptions and wrong conclusions in that video. :ohno:

^^ It makes me wonder, is this how other asian americans view Filipinos? Alam ko hindi naman lahat, pero in general?

and yes, how do you guys post videos??? :crazy2:

Filipinos here can't really be pigeon-holed into a box. We run the gamut of being the fairest skinned (white), across the spectrum, to the darkest of the dark skinned. I once was watching the Alma Awards (Hispanic Media Awards) and there was this comic that said, "You know, we Latinos have blonde and blue-eyed people like Cameron Diaz. We also have Black Latinos like Sammy Sosa (baseball player). Pretty soon, all of us will look like Filipinos!"

So you can see, people see us Filipinos in varying degrees here in the US. You can be viewed as Asian, Latino, White, Black, and Pacific Islander.

About the YouTube posting. Quote my post (#162) and see how I did it. :colgate:

^^ tama ka Kimber, there is no stereotypical appearance of a filipino. Tignan mo ang video na ito. Iba ibang putahe....ayy pagmumukha pala :lol:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UiKNIWM9r0g&mode=related&search=

UiKNIWM9r0g

^^ :shocked: Whoa! Rachel Bilson? For real!? By the way, Kristen Kreuk isn't Filipino. She's Indonesian-Chinese and Dutch, born in Canada.

Here's a questionaire for all the Filipinos in America (or any Western country pretty much.)

Put the sentence in bold with what you agree with.


How Asian are you?

1.Your mother has a short-haired, curly perm or dyed.
2. Your dad is some sort of engineer.
3. Your parents still tried to get you into places half-price saying you were 12 when you were really 13+.
4. You ask your parents help on one math problem and 2 hours later they're still lecturing.
5. You have a 40 lb. bag of rice in your pantry.
6. You shop 99 Ranch (or any Asian supermarket)
7. Everyone thinks you're "Chinese" no matter what part of Asia your ancestors were from.
8. You've had a bowl haircut at one point in your life.
9. Your parents enjoy comparing you to other kids
10. You've had to sit through karaoke videos with scantily clad, ugly Asian women attempting to dance and walk around a temple, forest, or library.
11. Your parents say, "Don't forget your heritage."
12. You or your parents drive mostly Japanese cars.
13. You've learned to keep bargaining even if the prices are rock bottom.
14. You've had to eat parts of animals they don't even put in hot dogs.
15. At least once, you've started a joke with "Confucius say...."
16. You know what bok choy is.
17. You've gotten little red envelopes around February. (From my friend's parents... sometimes..)
18. Piles of shoes tend to make it hard to open the front, back, and closet doors.
19. You hear (your name + eee (optional) + yah!) every time someone calls you (e.g. Joy - ee - yah! or Joy - yah!).
20. You have no eyelashes
21. Idiot people try to impress you with pathetic imitation Asian languages, like the ever-so-popular: ching chong woo bok chi, etc.
22. Your parents say leaving rice in your bowl is a sin.
23. The Bio lectures on marine life (seaweed, sea cucumbers, and octopi) were last night's dinner.
24. Your ancestors 1000 generations back invented the back scratcher.
26. Your parents hover over your tired, caffeine-drugged body at 12 midnight to say, "In (native country), we studied even more."
27. Your parents expect you'll be best friends with any one off the street in any given area as long as they are Asian.
28. An Asian woman comes on campus and people ask: "Is that your mother?" Well then, "Is it your sister?"
29. Your relatives' houses smell like incense, mothballs or both.
30. Your parents say, "Calculus? I took Calculus in 8th grade!"
31. Everyone thinks you're good at math.
32. Your parents' vocabulary is filled with "ai-yahs, and Wah's."
33. You like $1.75 movies.
34. You like $1.50 movies even more.
35. Your aunts and uncles bring you back adorable clothing from Asia with fuzzy bunnies, vinyl ducks, and English words that make no sense, in great colors like yellow, pink, magenta, orange, and the ever more popular lime green.
36. Your parents insist you marry within your race.
37. You never order chop suey, sweet and sour pork, or any other imitation of oriental food.
38. You either really, really want to go to UC (University of California) or really, really want to stay away from it.
39. Your parents have never kissed you.
40. Your parents have never kissed each other.
41. You learned about the birds and the bees from someone other than your parents.
42. "You want a stereo?! When I was your age, I didn't even have shoes!!"
43. People see a bunch of scribbles on a chopstick and ask you to translate.
44. You have to call just about all your parent's friends "Auntie and Uncle."
45. You have 12+ aunts and uncles
46. At expensive restaurants, you order a delicious glass of water for your beverage and NEVER order dessert.
47. Your parents simply cut the green/black part off the bread and say "Eat anyway. It's still good."
48. The vast majority of the people related to you wear glasses.
49. You will most likely be taller than your parents.
50. Your parents have either made you play the piano, the violin, or both.
51. You get nothing if you do well in school, but crapped on if you don't.
52. When going to other people's houses, you always have to bring a gift.
53. Your dad still pulls his socks up to his knees.
54. Your family owns a tennis racquet, golf clubs, or both.
55. Your family always cheers for the Asian athlete on TV.
56. The furniture in your house never matches the wallpaper, the carpet, the decorations, or any of the rest of the furniture.
57. You have rocks, sticks, leaves, and strange-smelling, unknown substances in your pantry for use as medicine.
58. You own a rice cooker or two.
59. You buy soy sauce by the gallon.
60. Your family owns butcher knives bigger than your head...
61. Your parents tell you about how long it took for them to get to school, how horrible the weather was in their native country, and how much they still appreciated going.
62. Your parents buy you clothes and shoes many sizes too big so you can "grow into it" and wear it for years to come.
63. Your parents believe in feng shui.
64. Your parents are very conservative and think that tank tops/halters/spaghetti straps shows too much skin.
65. Every time your parents lecture you, they always make up excuses that relate to everything you've done in the past.
66. You eat rice everyday.
67. You like JIN.
68. When you were little, your parents beat you with sticks and stuff.
69. The adults fight for the bill when you go out for dinner.

^^ All applicable except for these:

5. You have a 40 lb. bag of rice in your pantry.

We have like 50 lb bag and a 10 pounder for emergency. :lol:

59. You buy soy sauce by the gallon.

We buy the smaller bottles now from Costco but by the dozens.

67. You like JIN.

My daughter likes Jin, Jin of LOST tv series? :okay:

Kim Yun Jin
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i found this vlog in youtube, an asian american guy shares his opinions and points out that filipinos are not really asians but pacific islanders. ang dahilan niya:a) hindi singkit ang mga pinoy b) nasa pacific ocean ang pinas at hindi connected sa asia c) at kung anu-ano pang kababawan etc etc.. ayoko ko sanang patulan pero hindi ako makapagpigil. ang sarap kasing pukpokin sa ulo eh..:bash: :bash:

sh*t! ni hindi man lang nag research muna bago gumawa ng kung anu-anong claim.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=f2GtCJewVKI

guys, paano ba mag post ng youtube videos?:dunno:

A funny Youtube video comment about Filipinos.
That's the kid's opinion on what he learned from school and from the streets.
He's a Vietnamese/American and have some Asian friends mostly Filipinos.
He is learning from all kinds of responses on his video. I would love to take a shot on his opinions and put down some comments but there are just so much already and some are amazing facts.

That kid is igonorant and know nothing.. he said those of us who have spanish last names are have spanish parents or ancestry so they are filipino-spanish which then makes almost all of us filipino-spanish because almost all pinoys have spanish last names..

but the truth is only 2% of our population has links with having spanish blood or ancestry and not all that have spanish last name are that of spanish ancestry or blood.

And he also said we are not asian because we are separted from the continent and we are in the pacific ocean... lol and call us pacific islanders

Pacific islanders are the ploynesians, and aboriginees and not us.

Our ancestors came from borneo we belong to the malay indo race.. which is asian and not pacific islanders.

If he is correct then we should also call australinas and new zealanders pacific islanders.

He is dumb he thinks when speaking asian it must be only chinese related with, yellow skin and slanted eyes and using kung fun yin yang symbols.. lol lol...

53. Your dad still pulls his socks up to his knees.

i do this and im not a dad; not only that, it's trendy

24. Your ancestors 1000 generations back invented the back scratcher.

my family is different. we say our ancestor discovered rocks

67 you like jin

nope just beer, miller lite or samuel adams to be exact

^^ Jin-bulag :lol:


Manila/Philippines used to called : The Pearl of the Orient

And I always wonder why we don't want to be called Orientals. :lol:

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So these how Filipinas looked like.

Siempre naman!

And I always wonder why we don't want to be called Orientals. :lol:

You know how Canadians and Mexicans don't want to be called Americans eventhough they're also part of America (North America to be exact)? The whole world has come to know Oriental or Asia as pertaining to only Chinese-Japanese cultures and appearance. And the whole world knows America as only the United States. :)

The Filipinos are a mixed group. IMO they can be classified into different categories based on their physical appearance alone.

1. Negritos/Aetas, the first settlers, the Philippines' aborigines who resemble the Melanesians more and are culturally linked to Pacific Islanders.

2. Morenos, the brown majority who are either Hispanic/Christian or Muslim. They are the Malay-Polynesian(Pacific Islander) type of Asian who are culturally detached from their neighbours save for the Moros.

3. Chinos, the chinese-japanese-korean-viet filipinos who are the closest to the Asian stereotype. Their yellowish skin and slanted eyes make them noticeably different from the majority.

4. Blancos, the white filipino minority who are mostly Spanish. They can be classified under Caucasian or Hispanic depending on their ethnic background. They are also sometimes mistaken for mestizo.

5. Mestizos, the mixed filipino who would either blend with the Morenos or the Chinos (Chinitos) depending on their mix.

Share ko lang...

During one of our family reunion, my mom's cousin told us that my great-great grandfather was a Spanish friar... naisip ko lang, bakit nagkaanak ang pari?

...di ba bad yun? :bash:

ano beh, normal kaya iyon. sa family namin ganun din ata.

nakow, para alang gulo mag-inoman nalang tayow.:cheers1: o, tagay na mga pare kow! :cheers2: kapag nalasing uwi na tayow.

sorry pards. hindi ako marunong uminom ng alak eh. mas maganda siguro sa UFC event na lang magkita. btw. sa mga nabasa ko dalawa lang ang may punto sa sinulat nila. si athan at si kiretoce.


datu bagnot, the hispanic caveman of the philippines and mexico.

Share ko lang...

During one of our family reunion, my mom's cousin told us that my great-great grandfather was a Spanish friar... naisip ko lang, bakit nagkaanak ang pari?

...di ba bad yun? :bash:


Dati allowed mag asawa ang mga pari.

You know how Canadians and Mexicans don't want to be called Americans eventhough they're also part of America (North America to be exact)? The whole world has come to know Oriental or Asia as pertaining to only Chinese-Japanese cultures and appearance. And the whole world knows America as only the United States. :)


I know what Oriental stands for, my reply was just a cliche from Manila/PI being the former "Pearl Of The Orient"


By the way, you forgot to list down Austronesians from Taiwan or the Taiwanese Aborigines. Isa yan sa natutunan ko from studying SouthEast Asian course, yung iba absent ako madalas dahil nasa bar ng Westwood. :lol:

We are really a mixed breed but you can tell a Filipino easily pag Pinoy pa rin siya. Pag iba na siya, pabayaan niyo na lang. :D

I know for sure that the asian americans in the states doesn't want to be refered to as "orientals". For what reason ? I don't know.. I overheard an elderly japenese gentleman who works out in the same gym i go to that his daughter refused to be called or refered to as "oriental" because she said "I'm not a rug and i feel I am being insulted to be refered to as one, asian american is more acceptable to me.."

Why is it really a big deal for most filipinos to stress something like " I am filipino hawaiian" " I am a filipino but I have spanish blood in me" " I am a mestiso/sa" " I have a mixture of this and that breed/race"?? As if they are really proud to tell the world the world and most especially their fellow filipinos that they are light skinned or mixed race... most other countries takes offense to it.. Same here in the states... one of my close friend who is also a caucasian american happens to have a little bit of an asian features was asked by I believe a filipino gentleman (but i'm not really positive) if he has any japanese heritage or whatever asian race it was he mentioned. My friend didn't take that very well, he did remain level headed and polite, but I can tell what's up ...

^haha true, i know a friend girl that would say same thing and shes ugly.
thats why i notice that the ugly filipino would usually say this im half of that, half of this :lol: retarded i mean i certainly believe if they say half horse and half human. my point is dont say youre half this half that when not needed to or i have lithuanian blood or japanese ancestry when its phony. though i agree that you should b supportive of yourself if you acquired great genes from your moms and pops. but pls dont lie to yourself because if you dont believe yourself why should i believe you

o-thought for the day

The term "Oriental" (I guess it's the Asian's "N-word") is used most oftenly to describe inanimate objects, ie: oriental rug, oriental vase, etc. People from Asia or are of Asian descent/heritage are simply called Asians. :colgate:

The term is also archaic and non-PC in today's society, and it's most associated with the each nations' colonial past.

^^
"Oriental" has been used by the West as a term to describe cultures, countries, peoples and goods from the Orient.
Eastern, Far Eastern, Arabs, etc

There is just so much "political correctness" in the mind of everyone so those words are sometimes labeled as derogatory or archaic.


But hey, when it comes to an Oriental Massage, especially in Las Vegas, woooooo!!! :banana:

This feller still confused with his identity??LOL Good Lord!!! Hispanic? filipino ? Bisayan? American or what?? Maybe he oughta join Geico caveman's shrink help advice like in Geico Direct commercial in the states... LOL

For someone who claims to be a proud filipino is the one who chose to have an american citizenship and not just greencard.. Next thing I knew, this guy would claim that the filipinos would find roots in Antartica if not Mars..LOL

One piece of advice , becareful claiming to be hispanic, you might end up being mistaken to possess fake documents and be deported to Mexico rather than the Philippines.. In that case you'd be SOL (Sh*t Out of luck) LOL

ow... me confused? ah dont think so.

i cant escape your insult though. such as your jumping to conclusion that i am some sort of illegal. dont you ever read my posts with clear discernment. but whatever. (as the cliche goes)...


napakasakit aminin kuya eddie lalalala (i am humming) subalit hispanic din kaming pinoy dahil sa cultura namin. halimbawa hindi kami sumusunod sa chinese new year o di kaya thanksgiving. barrio fiesta ang sa amin.

at isa pa bakit ka maiinis kung sabihin ko sa iyo ang aking genes. such as my ancestries are spanish, mexican, chinese, bisaya (austronesian) and an american citizen. mahirap ba namang intindihin ito... LOL. inggit ka lang. banana:

datu bagnot, the hispanic martian. the asian hispanic pacific islander. el pinoy y el guapo. hahahaha

Share ko lang...

During one of our family reunion, my mom's cousin told us that my great-great grandfather was a Spanish friar... naisip ko lang, bakit nagkaanak ang pari?

...di ba bad yun? :bash:

Either your great grandmother got raped, got fooled, plain unlucky or a sinner for sleeping with a Spanish friar.

It was probably a taboo subject in an ultra-conservative Hispano-Filipino society ages ago.

f2GtCJewVKI

^^ gago at ignorante!

^^ You got to understand how he got his information and the kid is still young. He admitted that he is open to all suggestion on his blog and youtube posting. Some who lay down their comments were just jerking him off and know nothing more than this kid.

Share ko lang...

During one of our family reunion, my mom's cousin told us that my great-great grandfather was a Spanish friar... naisip ko lang, bakit nagkaanak ang pari?

...di ba bad yun? :bash:

During the olden times, especially in Europe, the friars even the pope have some ladies in waiting. Check some histories of the catholic chruch and you'd be surprised.

In our province in Bicol, I know of a family who's been known to be the descendants of a Spanish friar during the Spanish period. But that's not uncommon, even in the metro-manila area, even a bishop of the northern town of Antipolo was accused of keeping a mistress.

and to your question : bakit nagkaanak ang pari?

Tao lang siya at malamang mahilig. :lol:

^^ ... and even in Rizals novel Noli me tangere ... hind pala anak ni kapitan tyago si Maria Clara ... hehehe ... pasayaw sayaw sa Obando ... akala nila isang himala ... yun pla ... may matulis na pari ! :lol: :lol: :lol:

During the olden times, especially in Europe, the friars even the pope have some ladies in waiting. Check some histories of the catholic chruch and you'd be surprised.

In our province in Bicol, I know of a family who's been known to be the descendants of a Spanish friar during the Spanish period. But that's not uncommon, even in the metro-manila area, even a bishop of the northern town of Antipolo was accused of keeping a mistress.

and to your question : bakit nagkaanak ang pari?

Tao lang siya at malamang mahilig. :lol:


.....and yet people still speak highly of these so called "Man of God". They are not only rapists they are bunch of pedophiles as well.

.....and yet people still speak highly of these so called "Man of God". They are not only rapists they are bunch of pedophiles as well.

HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE...


from the New Testament, Christian Bible.


datu bagnot, el condor pasa jejeje

^^ ... and even in Rizals novel Noli me tangere ... hind pala anak ni kapitan tyago si Maria Clara ... hehehe ... pasayaw sayaw sa Obando ... akala nila isang himala ... yun pla ... may matulis na pari ! :lol: :lol: :lol:

ikaw naman oo kahit naman ngayon may kalibugan pa rin. kaya lang noong panahon ng kastila malakas ang social rejection kaya takot ang mga pari lumabas. baka mabitay sila. tao lang naman sila. yes, all the human desires and seedy affairs are as real then as it is now. ngayon liberal na at walang himala. ngayon kapag nabuking ang paring kano eh di resign na lang at magpakasal. it takes two to tango. di ba? bakit may problema sa tulis eh kelot din naman sila. magandang lalake din. eh kapag kastila ba ang nacionalidad may double standard?


datu bagnot, the reluctant defender of long dead lusty friars, hehehehe

HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE...


Oh so I guess, you don't think they deserve the reputation huh! To each his own, hehehe!
I attended Catholic school from kindergarten all the way to college. What you've just posted I've heard so many times and it is SOOOOO TIRED!!!

huwag na tayong magtaka. si hesus nga si hudas ginawang disipulo nya.

Yong iba ayaw marinig ang katotohanan, as people would say "the truth hurts", hehehehe.

^partially are, but most are not

be nice to the catholic priest, ye some of them are gay and will burst in hell for raping kids or someone else's mama back in sisa's generation. would this mean that all gay guy either priest or leatherman rape kids? obviously not! the point is respect them next to godliness. thy offer the rest of their lives to god; therefore, we respect them with such

ow... me confused? ah dont think so.

i cant escape your insult though. such as your jumping to conclusion that i am some sort of illegal. dont you ever read my posts with clear discernment. but whatever. (as the cliche goes)...


napakasakit aminin kuya eddie lalalala (i am humming) subalit hispanic din kaming pinoy dahil sa cultura namin. halimbawa hindi kami sumusunod sa chinese new year o di kaya thanksgiving. barrio fiesta ang sa amin.

at isa pa bakit ka maiinis kung sabihin ko sa iyo ang aking genes. such as my ancestries are spanish, mexican, chinese, bisaya (austronesian) and an american citizen. mahirap ba namang intindihin ito... LOL. inggit ka lang. banana:

datu bagnot, the hispanic martian. the asian hispanic pacific islander. el pinoy y el guapo. hahahaha

ummmm ?? Hello, Knock knock!!! I don't think I've mentioned anything to the effect of you being illegal, whatever you mean by an "illegal".. drugs? or you simply mean illegal immigrants?? Read again my friend.... Besides?? What is really your whole point in trying to get the people here believe what you wanted to believe? First of? You gave up your filipino citizenship and lived in this country instead of fighting your cause in your native Philippines... Aren't you even ashamed of yourself for doing that? If you want to be an american, be an american, if you want to be a filipino, be a filipino, no either or... such a cowardice act for all i care.... It's appalling to even hear you preach on your fellow filipinos when you yourself can't keep yourself true to yourself...

To the rest of your comments?? umm??? touche' whatever it was!!!! I'll find out sooner or later..LMAO

^partially are, but most are not

be nice to the catholic priest, ye some of them are gay and will burst in hell for raping kids or someone else's mama back in sisa's generation. would this mean that all gay guy either priest or leatherman rape kids? obviously not! the point is respect them next to godliness. thy offer the rest of their lives to god; therefore, we respect them with such

Hahaha may sinabi ba akong lahat sila ay rapists at pedophiles, hahaha! Did I ever mention in any of my post ALL of them are rapists and pedophiles? Hahahahaha!

By the way you're the one who is generalizing with your post regarding gay men. Hahahaha . A great majority of sex tourists in Asia and the world are straight men seeking the company of women especially underage girls. That is pedophilia!!!! Hehehe!

Either your great grandmother got raped, got fooled, plain unlucky or a sinner for sleeping with a Spanish friar.

Ok lang, kasi yung great grandfather ko naman inherited vast hectares of land in Batangas...nyahahaha!

I don't think you should be proud of the way those landholdings were acquired especially by the Spaniards.:ohno:

Bump! :colgate:

i think i wanna ttry these whitening products.
by the way, there was a beauty contest in the philippines where they give out an award called Ponds Rosy White Skin award. i think its miss philippines.
do they still do that?

^^ You do? Aren't you 'white' enough? :lol: Hey matty, musta na?

^^ I think Matt wants to be "albino" white! :lol:

Glutathione (metathione brand) is now being advertised on local TVs as a whitening product.

^ Why? What was it used for before? I read somewhere that Lucy Torres Gomez, as white as she is, still takes those whitening pills. I don't think those are readily available here in the US. What we have a lot of here are Sunless Tanning lotions. I actually use that (Coppertone Endless Summer) for my legs.

I think Lucy is too white, she looks ghostly at times :hahano:

^ Who's whiter: Lucy or Kris?

Only a few, select few, can pull off that geisha paleness and look good. Others who try and fail are just "clowns" fooling themselves. :lol:

Only Morticia Addams can pull it off (cue in Addams Family theme)
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/9357/morticiaqe4wv2.jpg
:lol: :jk:

Same old, same old endless and troublesome debate and same old, same old participants.

^ Who's whiter: Lucy or Kris?

I think Lucy is whiter than Kris. I've seen them both together at Glorietta one time. Nagkataon din sa NAIA-1 magkalapit lng kami ni Kris at talagang ang putla nya. :lol:

singit ko kasing puti ng flourescent light

singit ko kasing puti ng flourescent light

yung pundido?:lol:

^ good one amigo haha :lol:

Kris is not that white. she's more yellowish i think hehe j/k
umm, morticia adams looks like sinjin. :D

^ So I guess you're blind. :yes:

^^ You do? Aren't you 'white' enough? :lol: Hey matty, musta na?

oklang andy. musta ka na rin.
but yea, sinjin kinda resembles morticia

Morticia Adams?:lol::lol: Anyway, :lol:

One thing I noticed in The Philippines especially in Manila is the popularity and usage of skin whitening products. They may be Block & White, Ponds or Extraderm but I noticed that alot of Filipinas in The Philippines would like to have fair skin. It's a big contrast compared to alot of Filipina-Americans who would prefer "chocolate brown" skin :D

What do you think?

Beauty is subjective. And the standard varies from one location to another. Generally, in the Philippines, being under the Spanish regime for hundreds of years gave us this impression that being beautiful is about looking like a mestizo or a mestiza with fairer or whiter complexion. Well, I personally wanna look like that too.. weeeeeeeeee......Coz for me, people with fair complexions look neat and any type of clothing or color would suit them well. Bagay sa mga mapuputi kung baga....

That's why the skin whitening industry is a hit here in our country. Glutathione is effective! That's for sure! It's an antioxidant with a side effect which is skin whitening. But you need to take certain doses to enjoy its side effect. U gotta take 40 mg of Glutathione per 1 kg of your weight. So if you are around 130 lbs, you gotta take around 2400 mg of glutathione per day (that's around 5 tablets of glutathione in a day considering that one tablet is consist of 500 mg gluta). You can see the effect after a month or two - depending on your original skin color. It would be better if your taking the reduced form of glutathione with alpha lipolic and vitamin c.

But, if you do not wanna take something, skin whitening lotions are also effective. Hmmmm based on experience, the following items are a ok:

*YSA Skin Whitening Lotion (in a tube) - effective and can whiten your skin within 10 days...Ive tried it! ok na ok!

*Biolink Skin Whitening Lotion - ok din especially when u use it with Biolink Soap. They say that the green papayas can whiten your skin faster and more effective than yellow papayas.

*Godiva Skin Whitening Lotion - effective din. It has licorice which is found to be an effective ingredient for skin whitening.

For soap, you can also use the following:

*YSA Bleaching Soap - yung black color tapos brown ang box.

*Biolink Soap - yung green papaya, wag yung bago nila na may virgin coconut oil.

* Skin White - one of my favorites too..mabango and effective

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Just this March, I had a chicken pox. The only way for me to get rid of my chicken pox scars is to lighten my skin especially dun sa may mga marks. I used VMV Hypoallergenics' Illuminants Program. It is really effective. After 2 months of using it, i have no sign of dark chicken pox scars - yung deep, brownish na may pagkared. Ofcourse, d nawala yung scar tlga pero since pumuti yung area, d na visible yung scars.

Now if you do not want to use any commercialized solutions or programs at all, there are skin whiteners na we can found in our own kitchen.

You may use the following -

1. Lemon
2. Papaya
3. Milk
4. Honey

^^ Cguro may iba pa, but those are what ive tried pa...so happy skin whitening peeps!

i dont like a white skin, they look like a corpse or something...
Tanned or darker complexion is what i like the best...
thank god i didnt get my mom's color :yes:

^^ gee..wag naman yung sobrang white...i dont wanna look like the Adams too..

ok yung fair na may pagka pinkish..ehehehehe...I was lucky that i was born with a fair skin. I got it from my mom - intsik. Kaso, circumstances in the past damaged my skin..huhuhuhuh things like CAT, ROTC, and other activities under the heat of the sun.

Right now, i used certain line so i can maintain my complexion (and ok din if may maging fairer weeeeeeeee) and protect me from the damaging sun rays...

I guess all of us are aware of photoaging... anyway, currently im using a lotion with SPF 60. Sobrang init kc dito sa pinas!

Sino nag-try na dito ng Likas papaya soap? Effective ba iyon? My friends say it is... I just can't believe them. Meron pa yung iniinom eh. Bumili kanina yung friend ko. Php60 a bottle. And you need to drink 2 bottles a day! Ano yun ginto?

^^ I think ur referring to Glutathione in liquid form. Ive read that once in one of our local lifestyle mags. It is better daw than its capsule form coz it is easily distributed to your system.

If it's 60 pesos, mura pa nga yan eh. A reduced glutathione would averagely cost you around 3,000 pesos a bottle. With 30 capsules per bottle, thats 100 pesos per capsule. And you gotta take an average 4 capsules a day depending on your weight and gluta's milligram per capsule.

So 60 pesos a day or 120 for two bottles of it compared to 400 pesos a day? then the liquid form gluta your friend is drinking is affordable.

Glutathione also got an injectable form. It's 4,000 pesos per injection. And you need to take atleast 10 shots. That's 40,000 pesos...

And yes, it is effective. It's being recommended by most dermatologists.

YES skin cancer is recommended by most derma

@tj: aww... now I think I have to try it too... just have to save money then... thanks BTW. I think you're right. I heard my friends uttering those weird chemical names...

Sino nag-try na dito ng Likas papaya soap

Yup, Likas is effective...papaya soaps in general are effective skin whitening coz of papaine.

YES skin cancer is recommended by most derma


weeeeeeeeeee... skin cancer? what do u mean?

YES skin cancer is recommended by most derma

mas cheaper kung maligo sa kumukulong tubig.

it's funny that brown people wants to be white while the white people wants to be brown...
explains how unfair the world is :yes:

im brown and i wanna be dark brown

oh now we know tj_brewed was originally an aeta. hehe j/k
you actually tried those stuff? arent you white enough?

yea me wants to get even darker so that i could replace goma.
taller darker and handsomer. :lol: j/k

Yup, Likas is effective...papaya soaps in general are effective skin whitening coz of papaine.

paborito rin ng mga seminarista ang papaine pero hindi dahil nakakaputi kungdi nakakatanggal -censored-.

Yeah, generally, all papaya soap brands (even the ones without brands :lol: ) are effective. But for me, Silka and Biolink Green Papaya have been the most consistent. :)

Although I haven't used this one, Maxi Peel is an effective skin whitener. Lahat ng yaya ko gumamit nu'n at lahat sila ay umuwing puting-puti na, mga dalagang puti! :D

I tried Biolink.. It worked for me rin!:okay:

haha, obsessed yata kayong pumuti ahh...
ingat lang baka magaya kayo dun sa katulong dati sa wansapanataym :D

^^Ang hihilig nyo magpaputi. Lakas ang bentahan ng mga whitening products sa Pinas! :lol:

haha, obsessed yata kayong pumuti ahh...
ingat lang baka magaya kayo dun sa katulong dati sa wansapanataym :D

Part of being vain. Okay naman, it has worked very well for me to the extent na napapagkamalan na akong artista sa mall ;) Maglagay din kayo ng VCO sa face, leave it for an hour, then rinse and use your moisturizing soap or pwede rin yung papaya soap, nakakashock ang instant results

hahaha, ayokong ma shock. sa wetpu na lang i-apply para hindi ako ma shock sa resulta, hahaha

oh now we know tj_brewed was originally an aeta. hehe j/k
you actually tried those stuff? arent you white enough?

yea me wants to get even darker so that i could replace goma.
taller darker and handsomer. :lol: j/k

I'm fair. But there were times when my skin darkened due to major sun exposure and i needed to get my old skin back. So I actually used some of those ive mentioned -

Glutathione / green papaya soap and whitening soap/ hand and body lotion.

Then after my chicken pox this year which left me some scars I also used VMV Hypoallergenics' Illuminants.

But ofcourse, now I have quitted the other items mentioned above, now that I have my regained my natural color. I only use those when necessary. :)

haha, obsessed yata kayong pumuti ahh...
ingat lang baka magaya kayo dun sa katulong dati sa wansapanataym :D

Obssession is different from trying to improve one's physical appearance. And improving one's appearance varies from one person's preference of beauty to another. It's subjective.

^^Ang hihilig nyo magpaputi. Lakas ang bentahan ng mga whitening products sa Pinas! :lol:

Malakas din naman ang benta ng Sun Tanning Lotion and Sun Tanning Spray here. In our micro team alone here at work, I have friends who spend much just to get that golden brown tone. Yun kc uso pag summer. But syempre, patapos na ang summer...weeeeeeeee actually, tapos na nga!

Although I haven't used this one, Maxi Peel is an effective skin whitener. Lahat ng yaya ko gumamit nu'n at lahat sila ay umuwing puting-puti na, mga dalagang puti! :D

It's effective.. But try to stay away from it bro. It has hydroquinone. This chemical is banned in US and other countries kc nakaka cause ng skin cancer.

^ I haven't used it pa nga. And I have no plans of using it at all since I'm satisfied with the results of VCO + green papaya soap. :yes: And, if you use it, you'll have to stay at home or else masusunog ka sa labas since all your pores are opened thus exposing your skin to the direct heat of the sun :shocked:

^^ talaga? eh bakit dito ok lang?

it's funny that brown people wants to be white while the white people wants to be brown...
explains how unfair the world is :yes:

Not really...I think, beauty is being something which is not common to a particular group.

For example, sa Pinas - a number of people would find chinese and koreans as cute or goodlooking kc chinito sila or singkit.
But in Korea, people like pinoys or artistas na d singkit o mejo malaki yung mata.

The Americans love ethnic beauty - like those here sa Pinas.
While some Pinoys would prefer those who are tisoy looking like those in America.

^^ talaga? eh bakit dito ok lang?

Actually, d sya ok bro...kc if you'll talk with dermatologists, they would not recommend such product. And ilang beses na rin yan na feature sa news about men and women using it na nasisira yung skin in the long run.

Hydroquinone makes ur skin thinner and more prone to disorders. It makes the skin tissue more delicate. Kaya if you've noticed those na gumagamit ng maxipeel - ang ninipis ng skin and reddish.

^^ But for me......the best way to have a beautiful skin without using anything at all......is having a SAUNA! I just love doing that! It will detoxify and get rid of your skin impurities. It will not whiten your skin but it will make it glow!

Out of Topic Muna ako ha...

Beyond Whitening, here are some of the tips that can help you get that beautiful skin:

- Eat fruits and vegetables
- sleep atleast 8 hours a day ( eto guilty ako....huhuhuhuhuhuhuhu)
- stay away from bad foods ( u know what i mean)
- drink atleast 8 glasses of water
- drink your vitamins (or anti oxidants if u got). - pero optional
- exercise
- plus the law of attraction..weeeeeeeeeeeeee the power of affirmative thinking!
- and if u can, try sauna too, my fave!

:shocked: Damn! The Metro Revolution is still going strong I see! :lol:

Funny how the thread title only singles out Filipinas, but in reality the whole nation is kinda obsessed with wanting to be lighter skinned! :ohno:

^^ coz thats the thing, people thought that only pinays are aware or concious of the way they look. When in fact, a major number of pinoys are.

oooops make that conscious...ehehehehehhehehhe

i've been drinking glutathione for a month now., but nothings happening., :lol: :cry: maybe the dose is too small? hahaha..,

Out of Topic Muna ako ha...

Beyond Whitening, here are some of the tips that can help you get that beautiful skin:

- Eat fruits and vegetables
- sleep atleast 8 hours a day ( eto guilty ako....huhuhuhuhuhuhuhu)
- stay away from bad foods ( u know what i mean)
- drink atleast 8 glasses of water
- drink your vitamins (or anti oxidants if u got). - pero optional
- exercise
- plus the law of attraction..weeeeeeeeeeeeee the power of affirmative thinking!
- and if u can, try sauna too, my fave!
Thanks for the advice. Gosh, I'm guilty with a lot of things here esp no 2. Naku, I don't think I can do the last stuff... so expensive.

:shocked: Damn! The Metro Revolution is still going strong I see! :lol:

Funny how the thread title only singles out Filipinas, but in reality the whole nation is kinda obsessed with wanting to be lighter skinned! :ohno:

Yup, according to a survey, Filipino men are the most vain in Asia. I've read that last year in PDI.

^^ oh by the way, metrosexuals are now being threatened by the new breed of men - UBERSEXUALS! Are u one of em?

The term "ubersexual" is derived from the German uber, meaning "the greatest," and sexual, meaning "let's bump uglies." The word owes its origins to JWT, the largest advertising agency in America, and was especially created for a new book entitled The Future of Men, co-authored by Marian Salzman, Ira Matathia and Ann O'Reilly..

The men leading this charge are ubersexuals. According to Salzman, "Ubersexuals are the most attractive (not just physically), most dynamic, and most compelling men of their generations. They are confident, masculine, stylish, and committed to uncompromising quality in all areas of life."

Yup, according to a survey, Filipino men are the most vain in Asia. I've read that last year in PDI.

Eh, baka maling 'Filipino men' ang sinurvey nila. :lol:

oh by the way, metrosexuals are now being threatened by the new breed of men - UBERSEXUALS! Are u one of em?

The term "ubersexual" is derived from the German uber, meaning "the greatest," and sexual, meaning "let's bump uglies." The word owes its origins to JWT, the largest advertising agency in America, and was especially created for a new book entitled The Future of Men, co-authored by Marian Salzman, Ira Matathia and Ann O'Reilly..

The men leading this charge are ubersexuals. According to Salzman, "Ubersexuals are the most attractive (not just physically), most dynamic, and most compelling men of their generations. They are confident, masculine, stylish, and committed to uncompromising quality in all areas of life."

^^ Ahh....but there's a groundswelling of backlashes against the Metro/Uber movement here. Men are getting tired of it and they just want to get back to the norm, which is just being simple, decent, and clean. No more of that mani/pedi, facials, perfectly coiffed do, and other superficial crap. That explains why the show "Queer Eye" got canceled because people aren't interested anymore, and the rise of the hit comedy "My Name Is Earl" is an indication of the trend changing. It was a fad and fads come and go like the wind.

^^ hmmmm, u mean men on the other side? Hmmm i think not. With the emergence of a number of facial centers for men, beauty lines for men, health and fitness plus beauty magazines for men....I would have to say - that whether straight or not - Filipino men are becoming more conscious with the way they act and look.

Perhaps the trend that is happening in the U.S. isn't applicable here in the Philippines or hasn't caught on the Philippines yet.

And btw, I like to watch "My Name is Earl."

^^ Ahh....but there's a groundswelling of backlashes against the Metro/Uber movement here. Men are getting tired of it and they just want to get back to the norm, which is just being simple, decent, and clean. No more of that mani/pedi, facials, perfectly coiffed do, and other superficial crap. That explains why the show "Queer Eye" got canceled because people aren't interested anymore, and the rise of the hit comedy "My Name Is Earl" is an indication of the trend changing. It was a fad and fads come and go like the wind.

Mani and Pedi? hmmmmmm my bestfriend is an ubersexual but he doesnt do that! I havent tried that either and i cant see myself getting one...i cut my own nails..eheheheheh and we dont go to that point of superficiality.

Queer Eye - i find them maarte and sobrang conscious in a superficial level. Simple, clean, and decent - that's what we are aiming for. And that's the difference between metrosexuals and ubersexuals - well according to that book:

the differences between uber and metro

Passion

Ubersexuals are passionate about business, politics and global affairs.
Metrosexuals are passionate about themselves. Go ahead, just ask them!


Source of inspiration

Ubersexuals follow their experience and reason.
Metrosexuals follow Carson Kressley.

Priorities


Ubersexuals are concerned with the world around them.
Metrosexuals are concerned with their calorie intake.

Emotional level

Ubersexuals are emotionally available.
Metrosexuals are emotionally vacant.

Money

Ubersexuals invest their money in sound business strategies.
Metrosexuals invest their money in exfoliant.

Grooming


Ubersexuals shave daily, if need be.
Metrosexuals can tell you the exact time of their next Brazilian.

Obsessions

Ubersexuals are obsessed with quality and integrity.
Metrosexuals are obsessed with their buns.

famous ubersexuals - Puff Daddy, JayZ, Bradd Pitt, Michael Jordan and Simon Cowell

Source - The Future of Men -authored by Marian Salzman, Ira Matathia and Ann O'Reilly.

^^ now back to the topic about skin whitening and filipinas, i think another reason why FILIPINAS want to have a whiten skin - in general, is because of the preference of FILIPINOS. I gotta admit, a white / fair pinay would easily catch my attention. But of course, that doesnt mean that I dont like brown filipinas too....I like Tricia Chongbian - she is morena.

^^ oh by the way, metrosexuals are now being threatened by the new breed of men - UBERSEXUALS! Are u one of em?

The term "ubersexual" is derived from the German uber, meaning "the greatest," and sexual, meaning "let's bump uglies." The word owes its origins to JWT, the largest advertising agency in America, and was especially created for a new book entitled The Future of Men, co-authored by Marian Salzman, Ira Matathia and Ann O'Reilly..

The men leading this charge are ubersexuals. According to Salzman, "Ubersexuals are the most attractive (not just physically), most dynamic, and most compelling men of their generations. They are confident, masculine, stylish, and committed to uncompromising quality in all areas of life."

Me? ubersexual? I don't know. Honestly, I'm not familiar with these labels. I just treat them as one group-homosexuals. I don't think I'm attractive whether physically or in any other aspects. I'm just me. That's how I look at myself.

^^ I was not talking about sexual preference.

Anyway, u have a point to...these labeling were made by marketing strategists... oh well, just do ur part..clean up and be decent....metro or uber - as long as u live a life in a culture of excellence (physical, emotional, mental, financial, and spiritual) - then that's it...ur on the right track!

and ei..dont tell urself that ur not attractive..tsk tsk tsk..that's an insult to the Highest Being who created u. He said, that u were created by His own image and likeness.. Thus, u are magnificence in human form.

Now going back to the topic : Filipinas and skin whitening.

Although, I like Tricia Chongbian - morena and sporty, i like Amanda Griffin, fair, smart, angelic, and palaban! and oh Donita Rose too.

We must cast off colonial mentality (http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070622/OPINION02/706220324/1014/OPINION)

Recently, I browsed through a national Philippine entertainment magazine and examined the photos of celebrities and advertisement models in it. Soon afterward, I spotted a common trait. Most of the stars, men included, had much lighter skin complexions than many would consider natural-looking for Filipinas and Filipinos.

Many Pinays and Pinoys think a milky white skin tone is more attractive than darker skin, in the same way Caucasians prefer the tanned look. This inclination is most prevalent in the Philippines but many Filipino-Guamanians secretly share this mindset, depending upon their upbringing.

According to a survey of over 2,000 women in 10 Asian countries, Filipinas are more preoccupied with skin-whitening than undergoing cosmetic procedure. The study was commissioned by the Dove brand and the Women's Media Circle, a nonprofit government organization involved in women empowerment.

Facial cleansers and soaps blatantly advertised to whiten skin have been around for decades, but I did manage to discover some new products. I saw an ad for "Gluta Snow," bottled water designed to "cleanse" and "whiten you." It contains L-Glutathione, supposed to turn dark pigmentations to light pigmentations. The ad copy for the water reads "get healthy, wealthy, and white!"

Then, there's a dietary supplement called "Met Tathione." According to literature on the product's Web site, www.whitebeautyphilippines.com, "The Bureau of Food and Drugs approves the product with no known side effects. There is a good side effect, however, and that is skin whitening." The supplement's slogan? "Be Enlightened!"

Now, if we go beyond the surface of this subject, there's a phenomenon that needs further examination. Why are Pinays and Pinoys intrigued with lightening their skin?

The first reason is the presence of colonial mentality, meaning "a notion of inferiority amongst populations previously subjugated and colonized by foreign entities." Through intermarriages with the Spanish and Americans, the physical traits of some Filipinos -- especially their skin, have taken on the look of such foreigners. As an extension, colonial mentality conditions our kababayans to believe that lighter-skinned Filipinos are better looking than their darker, indigenous counterparts because they resemble their former rulers.

In the Philippine publication "Graphic Magazine," Manuel L. Quezon Jr. explained, "A good, healthy brown never attract(s) admiration among us. A light-skinned man or woman with Filipino features will be called, respectively 'simpatico' (pleasant) or 'simpatica.' A dark-skinned person with more or less good Caucasian feature(s) may be called good-looking kaya lang maitim (but is dark). A fair-skinned person with mediocre or rather good Caucasian features will immediately be called maganda (pretty)."

Secondly, Pinoys are also altering their appearance for survival. Quezon asserted: "Features and coloring are often connected with social and economic position and possibilities." There's a false assumption that someone who is dark-skinned is uneducated, works outdoors and is from a lower socio-economic class. While on the contrary, a person who is fair-skinned is supposedly educated and has, or is capable of holding, a cushy, white-collar job.

Thus, some companies in the country employ lighter-skinned individuals to work in "front-line" occupations. Conversely, those perceived to be less attractive aren't hired or are given lesser-paying jobs.

Furthermore, the media and the influential Philippine movie industry continually define standards for attractiveness. Most of the country's cinema idols have mixed ethnicities, possess atypical Pinoy features and are admired for their looks over talent.

In this modern age, it's absurd that individuals use skin tones to influence their attitudes and perceptions. We should accept who we naturally are. No one should feel compelled to change the color of their skin to feel attractive, gain acceptance or to seek opportunities.

Using skin-whitening products isn't a step forward; it's a leap backward. It allows colonial mentality and destructive stereotypes to continually cloud our conscience -- and for generations to come. Such products fail to instill pride and acceptance in the unique identity and appearance of our kababayans. Instead, they cultivate shame and self-loathing for who we are.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with being brown. Brown is beautiful!

Now, if we go beyond the surface of this subject, there's a phenomenon that needs further examination. Why are Pinays and Pinoys intrigued with lightening their skin?

The first reason is the presence of colonial mentality, meaning "a notion of inferiority amongst populations previously subjugated and colonized by foreign entities."

I wouldn't think it's colonial mentality. I would forward the thesis that it's more of because there are fewer of the fair skinned pinoy variety, a premium is put on them. simply put, dahil marami ng maitim na pinoy, maganda ang tingin natin sa kakaunting white leghorn.

the converse is true for the caucasians. dahil sawa na sila sa mapuputla, ang magaganda sa kanila ay ang tan (sa pinoytalk, maiitim). kaya ang mga mukhang maid sa 'pinas na maitim pa sa uling ang singit, sobrang ganda para sa kanila :lol:

Iyong mga pinoy na pilit pang nagpapa-Tan at nag-sunbathing pa, iyon ang may tunay na colonial mentality.

porke mahilig mag sunbathing ng mga puti, nakiki ride-on naman sila. itim-itim na, gusto pa well done :lol:

A lot of foreigners like our colour. Pero marami rin sa kanila ang mapanlait. Di alam ng lahat sa 'tin na maraming teenager na puti na nilalait nila ang Asians and orientals the way we look.

i love my dark skin.
makes me look more brawn and rugged.

:)

Pangit sya baluga ako..... lalalala
kanta ni Michael V.

Have you guys seen the Chinese? They are much worst on this mentality. I have encountered this Chinese woman who have this red sun helmet that she wears so that she will not get "dark" even if she has the most abnormal "white skin" that I have even seen.

^ After all, all these products come from there ;)

uso pa rin ba ang labakara at batongpanghilod para pumuti

kumanta habang umeetias

uso pa rin ang bato, hehehe nakita ko nga ginagamit na sa mga Spa.

... I heard here in Saudi Arabia that a former lady OFW who discovered the formula of Magic Cream is now a millionaire in the Philippines

There appears to be a growing sense of pride and nationalism from Filipinos not only those in the country today but also from Pinoys or former Pinoys permanently residing in so many foreign countries.

Is there a real and genuine desire to move the country forward? If there is, from you own personal perspective, what does this mean to you and where do you want to take this country going forward?

You can take a Filipino out of the Philippines. But you can't take the Philippines out of a Filipino. :okay:

I really want to see the PHils conquer poverty. Her people have been suffering for so long while the few elite and politicians lavish and languish.
I do not wish her to be the most powerful and richest country I just want her to chean house and be able to provide descent lives
for her children without resorting to enslaving her children to her neighbors.
being nationalistic to me means doing any little thing you think can positively add in realizing this .

I am inviting all kababayans wherever you may be, to share your thoughts and passion on this subject. I think for once, we can all agree that this is very important to us all. It's time to make our collective voices be heard.

Thank you all for participating. Your country needs you more than ever...

I'm Philippines-born, moved to the US at a young age. In the past year or so, I've gotten a huge surge of nationalism inside of me. Before, I didn't care much about the Philippines and what happened there. After discovering SSC almost 2 years ago, I've learned so much about the happenings over there. I'm now very interested in the well-being of the Philippines. In fact, right now I'm considering the possibility of moving back when I'm older and having a family there. I want my kids to be Filipino and contribute to the Philippines society because I don't like what's going on with Filipinos choosing to leave the country. So there's definitely been a drastic change in my sense of pride and interest in the Philippines.

my sig says it all... :P

I LOVE THE PHILIPPINES!!!! i put my rosary and the PHil flag on my rearview mirrors :banana: :banana:

wag sana natin kalimutan ang ating pagkapilipino... i dont want us just to be an invisible minority, just because we assimilate easily.
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z100/ubecab/pflag.jpg

I think the surge is partially due to the fact of the emergence of TFC and PInoyTV!