Riverside Museum, Glasgow | £74m | Zaha Hadid | Completed [Archive] - Page 3

let forever be

March 15th, 2010, 12:00 AM

Post rationalising. They will be kept separate and, yes, like art. Art which is something you can't touch. Unlike now where the cars are very accessible, you almost feel like you can climb in.

This:

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2416/zahahadide.jpg

is the one that really scares me. It is horrific, you can hardly see the cars. The complete opposite of elegance.

I personally like the transport museum and I like the interior aswell. My opinion on the museum does not belong to you since I am the authority on my own opinions - so maybe quit the attempt at trying to sway me to your view point and perhaps stop trying to define my thoughts by saying I am "post rationalising". I'm not post rationalising as you put it but I suspect you are using pre-emptive thoughts to nit pick at it before having seen the pictures I posted due to set of beliefs you hold regarding what a transport museum should look like i.e. it has to be more engineered looking etc.

Further,art is not something that is beyond being touched as you define it either. The fact that this is a new museum and is attempting to present the contents in an interesting way, allowing people to interact with the exhibits at lower levels and view them from far away, is something I am fond of. But that's merely a difference of opinion.

Also, Alonzo, I have highlighted a part of your post - you appear to be "passing opinion as fact" again. Elegance can be extremely subjective.

alonzo-ny

March 15th, 2010, 12:07 AM

I personally like the transport museum and I like the interior aswell. My opinion on the museum does not belong to you since I am the authority on my own opinions - so maybe quit the attempt at trying to sway me to your view point and perhaps stop trying to define my thoughts by saying I am "post rationalising". I'm not post rationalising as you put it but I suspect you are using pre-emptive thoughts to nit pick at it before having seen the pictures I posted due to set of beliefs you hold regarding what a transport museum should look like i.e. it has to be more engineered looking etc.

Further,art is not something that is beyond being touched as you define it either. The fact that this is a new museum and is attempting to present the contents in an interesting way, allowing people to interact with the exhibits at lower levels and view them from far away, is something I am fond of. But that's merely a difference of opinion.

Also, Alonzo, I have highlighted a part of your post - you appear to be "passing opinion as fact" again. Elegance can be extremely subjective.

FFS, you really are hard work. I am allowed an opinion on your opinion.

Stop saying I am passing opinion as fact. It makes no sense what so ever. You seem to think that by stating my opinion that somehow I am claiming it is fact. Lets look at what you highlighted.

"It is horrific, you can hardly see the cars. The complete opposite of elegance."

Where in there do I claim it is fact and not simply my opinion? Where?

let forever be

March 15th, 2010, 12:21 AM

FFS, you really are hard work. I am allowed an opinion on your opinion.

Stop saying I am passing opinion as fact. It makes no sense what so ever. You seem to think that by stating my opinion that somehow I am claiming it is fact. Lets look at what you highlighted.

"It is horrific, you can hardly see the cars. The complete opposite of elegance."

Where in there do I claim it is fact and not simply my opinion? Where?

Hard work. lol. You talk as if you are a condescending teacher.

The reason it comes off as if you are confusing your opinion with facts is that you don't pre-text statements as your own subjective opinion, and in the example provided above, you state that as you can't see the cars this means there is a lack of elegance. It comes off as very definite.My response was that elegance is totally subjective. It's just the general way you sometimes come across.

Further, when you say that art is something that you can't touch, and state it in reference to my point as if I don't know what I am talking about, it is simply not true. Art can be touched depending upon it's intended use.

milton

March 15th, 2010, 12:24 AM

alonzo-ny

March 15th, 2010, 12:25 AM

Hard work. lol. You talk as if you are a condescending teacher.

The reason it comes off as if you are confusing your opinion with facts is that you don't pre-text statements as your own subjective opinion, and in the example provided above, you state that as you can't see the cars this means there is a lack of elegance. It comes off as very definite.My response was that elegance is totally subjective. It's just the general way you sometimes come across.

Further, when you say that art is something that you can't touch, and state it in reference to my point as if I don't know what I am talking about, it is simply not true. Art can be touched depending upon it's intended use.

Your perception of what I am saying is so completely off the mark. How could I claim to say the level of elegance of something as a fact. It is preposterous. It is a statement that cannot be made, I have no idea why anyone would perceive it in such a way.

Everything you say is all down to your own perception. The fault does not lie with me. I can be provocative and definitive and stubborn in my opinion but everything you are saying has been generated in your own head.

milton

March 15th, 2010, 12:32 AM

I believe the new Transport museum is actually the same size as the old one at the Kelvin Hall (approximately 10,000 square feet I believe)

If you read the project brief for this building (available on Glasgow museum website), Glasgow city council were wanting a new building to modernise people's perceptions of the contents.

I think this is partially the reason why Zaha Hadid has use more outlandish ways to present the transport. The transport is treated more like art in relation to it's new riverside home and building which is a living metaphor for it's contents.

I see your point, but "modernise people's perceptions" sounds horribly newspeak. Pretty much GCC all over, so I reckon you're spot-on. End of the day, it should be educational. Way I see it is that keeping people further away from the exhibits reduces their educational quality.

let forever be

March 15th, 2010, 12:33 AM

I have to agree with alonzo here - we're moving to a bespoke museum, with more floorspace, yet it seems that more exhibits will be stacked over each other, and less on the actual floor?!?

That is not sensible.

I believe the new Transport museum is actually the same size as the old one at the Kelvin Hall (approximately 10,000 square feet I believe)

If you read the project brief for this building (available on Glasgow museum website), Glasgow city council were wanting a new building to modernise people's perceptions of the contents.

I think this is partially the reason why Zaha Hadid has use more outlandish ways to present the transport. The transport is treated more like art in relation to it's new riverside home and building which is a living metaphor for it's contents.

let forever be

March 15th, 2010, 12:42 AM

I see your point, but "modernise people's perceptions" sounds horribly newspeak. Pretty much GCC all over, so I reckon you're spot-on. End of the day, it should be educational. Way I see it is that keeping people further away from the exhibits reduces their educational quality.

Those words were my paraphrasing of what I read.

If you go onto the Glasgow museum website, and look at the PDF's of the building and it's contents, there is a huge emphasis on interactiveness for the public.

In some of the pictures on the other page which I loaded up, you can see a few examples of the new interactive machines being planned. There is many other examples aswell in all the files on the website. I was actually struck through reading them, just how much effort has been put into the educational side of things. There is also a dedicated classroom for school children and so the museum is geared towards both being aesthetically pleasing, architecturally daring and educational.

milton

March 15th, 2010, 12:46 AM

let forever be

March 15th, 2010, 12:49 AM

Well I guess it's a case of me hoping for the best.. after all, it's not like I have the power to change the plans! That said, I utterly hate the new layout of Kelvingrove, so feel a little burned already by GCC's idea of educational... the Art Galleries are now brilliant if you are 5, and less so if you're any other age!

btw - how on earth did I get my post to appear above the one of yours I was replying to?

I don't know how that happened, I was wondering the same. Maybe I was editing it as you posted yours and so your became the 'newer post'?

I have only been to the new Kelvingrove once so can't really compare it to the old museum. I loved it but that's mainly just down to the Salvador Dali painting I got to see!

Gommsta

March 15th, 2010, 01:00 AM

I love the Kelvingrove but who thought it a good idea to put a cafe right in the main hall, with plastic seats and cheap tables no less. Bloody awful.

Bingo Bango

March 15th, 2010, 01:47 PM

Namely the vehicles, which are the main show. On this level the building doesn't engage with them at all.

So why should the building reflect the vehicles, and compete with them for attention?

alonzo-ny

March 15th, 2010, 03:37 PM

So why should the building reflect the vehicles, and compete with them for attention?

Why would it compete with them? I would argue the building as it is competes with the vehicles.

Sol00

March 15th, 2010, 04:16 PM

Why would it compete with them? I would argue the building as it is competes with the vehicles.

I don't get that. The building would be forgotten about as soon as the public went inside and viewed the displays.

I kind of get your point, however, I agree that the building should fit in with its surroundings before anything else. This is what modern buildings look like these days.

alonzo-ny

March 15th, 2010, 05:34 PM

I don't agree, you will see the shape of the roof while inside.

A good building both fits in with its surroundings and works well inside also.

Sol00

March 15th, 2010, 05:48 PM

We won't really know how the interior will be until it opens; although the roof is shaped like that on the outside, it may not be as noticable on the inside, and besides, the public may actually like it, or not care.

alonzo-ny

March 15th, 2010, 06:10 PM

Just because the public doesn't care doesn't mean it is actually good or not bad.

let forever be

March 15th, 2010, 06:27 PM

Here's a few renders of the interior that I found:

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/1622/motriversideintview1ss.jpg (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/motriversideintview1ss.jpg/)

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4884/motriversideintview2ss.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/motriversideintview2ss.jpg/)

let forever be

March 15th, 2010, 06:29 PM

Here are some concept renders I found when the museum was merely being planned and so these renders reflect a general way in which the exhibits can exist. These are not the interior of the Zaha hadid design but I still thought they would be interesting to post since they convey how things could look in general.

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/4172/atriuminterior1.jpg (http://img532.imageshack.us/i/atriuminterior1.jpg/)

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/108/atriumviewabove.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/atriumviewabove.jpg/)

Monkey9000

March 15th, 2010, 07:14 PM

One of the main issues for me with the design is it's lack of apparent future proofing. Should the collection grow (which normally happens with museums) there is no obvious way for it to be expanded.

Sol00

March 15th, 2010, 07:16 PM

Just because the public doesn't care doesn't mean it is actually good or not bad.

Fair enough, but some people will like it and others won't, it's like everything. I'm reserving judgment, but I think it will fit in well with the displays.

Sol00

March 15th, 2010, 07:18 PM

alonzo-ny

March 15th, 2010, 07:44 PM

let forever be

March 15th, 2010, 09:13 PM

Here's some renders to show how the cars are stacked:

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/4528/carstorage.jpg (http://img692.imageshack.us/i/carstorage.jpg/)

Here's a plan of another way in which some of the exhibits will be presented - I quite like how people can walk under the cars.

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/3181/carstorage2.jpg (http://img127.imageshack.us/i/carstorage2.jpg/)

Monkey9000

March 15th, 2010, 10:26 PM

Does it not kinda defeat the purpose of how a car is designed and supposed to be viewed?

let forever be

March 15th, 2010, 10:54 PM

Does it not kinda defeat the purpose of how a car is designed and supposed to be viewed?

It depends on how you look at it and of course what your personal feelings are. For me, the fact that the transport is being presented in a museum and thus, is being taken from it's working life and being contextualised as part of a cultural museum, means that I support the way the cars etc are presented.

I personally like how the cars for example are elevated above what we normally perceive the cars to be in the way they are presented.

Bingo Bango

March 16th, 2010, 11:44 AM

I don't agree, you will see the shape of the roof while inside.

A good building both fits in with its surroundings and works well inside also.

Jesus christ is this actually an argument?

I see the shape of the roof when I am in Asda at the weekend - it doesn't affect my appreciation of the consumer items.

What a bizarre thing to say.

Bingo Bango

March 16th, 2010, 11:49 AM

Does it not kinda defeat the purpose of how a car is designed and supposed to be viewed?

If you want to see a car the way it is meant to be viewed (whatever that means) then get out on the street and watch them pass all day. Or go to the showroom if you want to see better shiny clean ones.

If you want to go to a museum, to see objects in a new way and to have knowledge imparted from the experience, then go to the transport museum.

milton

March 16th, 2010, 12:02 PM

If you want to see a car the way it is meant to be viewed (whatever that means) then get out on the street and watch them pass all day. Or go to the showroom if you want to see better shiny clean ones.

If you want to go to a museum, to see objects in a new way and to have knowledge imparted from the experience, then go to the transport museum.

Well yes. But also no.

The "new way" I'll be seeing those cars involves not getting to see the insides of lots of them. Maybe I'm demonstrating my ignorance about the beauty of the engineering that goes into all the bits that are exposed by seeing the underside of a car, but when I currently go to the museum, I like to peek inside and look at the lovely old brass dials/wooden interiors/leather seats/etc.

Put it this way: Currently I get to see 1) the outside and 2) the inside. For many of these new exhibits, I will now only get to see 1) the outside.
Losing 50% of what I'm looking at is not, imo, brilliant progress.

alonzo-ny

March 16th, 2010, 12:39 PM

Jesus christ is this actually an argument?

I see the shape of the roof when I am in Asda at the weekend - it doesn't affect my appreciation of the consumer items.

What a bizarre thing to say.

You have completely missed the point. I can't believe you are actually comparing an Asda and a museum.

let forever be

March 16th, 2010, 04:49 PM

Well yes. But also no.

The "new way" I'll be seeing those cars involves not getting to see the insides of lots of them. Maybe I'm demonstrating my ignorance about the beauty of the engineering that goes into all the bits that are exposed by seeing the underside of a car, but when I currently go to the museum, I like to peek inside and look at the lovely old brass dials/wooden interiors/leather seats/etc.

Put it this way: Currently I get to see 1) the outside and 2) the inside. For many of these new exhibits, I will now only get to see 1) the outside.
Losing 50% of what I'm looking at is not, imo, brilliant progress.

A lot of the cars will be based on ground level though so you will still have the same accessibility to them i.e. you can touch them and look inside. Also, some cars are placed on perches and so people can walk under them and admire the engineering of the cars from beneath. This, in my opinion, is an improvement on the way the transport is presented currently.

Bingo Bango

March 21st, 2010, 09:38 PM

You have completely missed the point. I can't believe you are actually comparing an Asda and a museum.

Why not? Does Asda not require good architecture? Whats the difference?

For one thing, many many more people will find themselves in an asda every week than the transport museum will see in a month...

For clarity though, what is your point? what is the problem with seeing the roof of the museum while in the building?

pony2

March 23rd, 2010, 10:02 PM

These guys had the right idea.

It is Le Marbeuf, the Citroen Sales building in the Rue Marbeuf, Paris 1929

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt175/kimball_photos/CarsMuseum_AASchool_image_FGG262-3.jpg

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt175/kimball_photos/garage10.jpg

http://www.histoire-image.org/site/oeuvre/zoom.php?oeuvre_id=849

Monkey9000

March 24th, 2010, 01:10 AM

^^ Awesome! That's what should've happened insted of the "airy-fairy shapey" building were getting! :P

M_Riaz

March 26th, 2010, 08:11 PM

Item 10 (http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/councillorsandcommittees/viewDoc.asp?c=e%97%9De%94p%7B%8A) (4 pages)

1st April 2010

Award of Riverside Museum – Digital and Electromechanical Interactives Lot 1 Hybrids,
Lot 2 Touchable Models and Lot 3 Electromechanic

Purpose of Report:

The purpose of this report is to submit details of the tenders received for the provision of ‘Digital
and Electromechanical Interactives’ to the Riverside Museum and to recommend the acceptance
of the most economically advantageous tender in terms of price and quality as detailed in this
report.

Recommendation:

The Executive Committee is requested to approve the award of the Contract for ‘Riverside
Museum – Digital and Electromechanical Interactives Lot 1 Hybrids, Lot 2 Touchable Models and
Lot 3 Electro mechanics as follows:
Lot 1 - Hybrids – Engage Production Limited
Lot 2 - Touchable Models – Machine Shop Exhibitions Limited
Lot 3 - Electromechanic – Machine Shop Exhibitions Limited

1. Background

1.1 This Contract is for the provision of Digital and Electromechanical Interactives Lot 1 Hybrids,
Lot 2 Touchable Models and Lot 3 Electromechanic for the new Riverside. The scope of the
contract was to appoint one or more digital and electromechanical interactive companies to
design, develop and deliver gallery exhibits for the new Riverside Museum. The contract will
cover many of the hands-on interactives within the Museum, involving a variety of sensory
approaches.
1.2 The Lot 1 contractor will be required to design, develop, build and install interactives that are
designed to provide a tactile, digital and mechanical experience for the visitor. The Lot 2
contractor will be required to work with the Riverside Project team to produce a style and
approach to the touchable objects and models within the story display interactives within the
museum. The Lot 3 contractor will be required to design, develop and build the story display
interactives that employ electromechanical interactives to deliver the interpretation.

djmaxliving

April 29th, 2010, 06:41 PM

Update

http://www.clydewaterfrontheritage.com/cmsimages/D118%20MI_5471_6533.jpghttp://www.clydewaterfrontheritage.com/cmsimages/D118%20MPI_4850_6534.jpg

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJXEz2uqCuY

http://www.clydewaterfrontheritage.com/riverside_museum.aspx

M_Riaz

May 22nd, 2010, 04:05 AM

ITEM 3 (http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/councillorsandcommittees/viewDoc.asp?c=e%97%9De%96l%7B%8E) 19th May 2010 (4 pages)

RIVERSIDE MUSEUM PROJECT REPORT 11

Purpose of report:
To update the Committee on the progress of the Riverside Museum Project.

Recommendations:
Committee is asked to note the progress of the Riverside Museum Project.

RIVERSIDE MUSEUM PROJECT REPORT 11
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
�� The zinc outer finish of the building and exhibition ceiling is nearing completion.
�� Work on the bespoke exhibition floor is progressing to programme
�� The landscape works are progressing to programme
�� The decant and exhibition fitout design, procurement and production are developing to
programme.
�� The project is overall on budget and programme.
1.0 PERIOD REVIEW March 2010 – May 2010
1.1 Building & Landscape
1.1.1 The wall and roof cladding buildup is complete and the zinc outer finish is being finalised on
two roof ridges and on the concealed gutters. The Mechanical and Electrical work is at 84%,
the exhibition ceiling at 85%, the exhibition floor at 60% and the wall linings at 30% complete.
1.1.2 The landscape subcontractor, Land Engineering, has commenced work. Discussions are
taking place with this contractor and the Design Team to agree the final specification details
and address any potential cost variations.
1.1.3 As previously reported the date for completing the building works is November 2010 and for
completing the fitout works March 2011.
1.1.4 The architects and engineers continue to proactively work with the main contractor to explore
and agree any remaining value engineering opportunities to achieve the best quality solutions
within the budget.
1.1.5 Land and Enviromental Services has advised that the outstanding quay works will now be
completed by the end of June 2010. The Riverside Museum project team and main
contractor, BAM, have agreed a programme of landscape works to allow completion of the
quay works. The work involves the installation of the cathodic protection for the quay.
1.2 Exhibitions, Collections and Fitout
1.2.1 The work to install the fabric and ‘road surface’ of the 1900 recreated Glasgow street will start
on 17 May 2010.
1.2.2 Specialist interactive exhibit and AV production contractors have been appointed within the
overall exhibition budget and in line with the procurement strategy and programme.
1.2.3 The conservation of the collections to be displayed at the new Riverside Museum, including
those currently displayed at the Museum of Transport, is on programme.
1.2.4 A preferred contractor has been identified to move and install the large railed vehicles
(subway carriages, trams and locomotives) into the Riverside Museum. The appointment is
imminent and within the overall decant and install budget. The large railed vehicles have to
be moved and installed before other collections and display structures so that access
structures and other displays can be created around them in a cost and programme effective
way. The decant of the large railed vehicles from the Museum of Transport requires some
demolition works to the existing recreated street and other preparation works within the
Museum of Transport. These advance works are well under way and the first vehicle, a
subway carriage, will be moved at the end of June 2010 and further moves take place during
July and August 2010. The dates of the moves will be made public, but the vehicles will be
covered to protect them from the elements and some of the moves may take place at night.
1.2.5 The Museum of Transport closed to the public on the 18 April 2010, as scheduled, to enable
the move of the large railed vehicles as outlined in 1.2.4 and the subsequent move of other
collections. Over 10,000 people visited the museum on the final day.
1.2.6 Alex Kapranos, frontman for Glasgow rock band, Franz Ferdinand has loaned his Lambretta
LD150 scooter for display in the Riverside Museum. The scooter was made in 1956 and is a
classic of 1950s Italian design.
2.0 FORECAST June 2010 – August 2010
2.1 Building & Landscape
Complete the zinc cladding of the building, exhibition floor and exhibition ceiling works.
Begin work on the North and South façade facias and soffits
Continue with the mechanical & electrical works
Continue landscape works
Begin commissioning and snagging works
2.2 Exhibitions, Collections and Fitout
Appoint the graphic production contractor
Appoint a specialist decant and installation contractor for the move of some of the remaining
collections
Prepare information and issue tenders for the remaining fitout and specialist display work
packages
3.0 FINANCIAL REPORT
3.1 Monitoring statement
This monitoring statement provides a financial summary to 31 March 2010. It provides a
forecast of income and expenditure by Financial Year and also by Expenditure Heading. It is
based on information contained within the Council’s corporate financial systems and includes
accruals and adjustments in line with agreed financial policies. The project is on budget.
(#) Note : Other Project Costs include expenditure relating to New Acquisitions, Conservation
Works, Decant of Display Items/ Exhibits and Project Team Costs.
Forecast costs of £1m have been transferred between the Exhibition Fit-out and Building
lines. This is due in part to a number of fit-out items which are now being carried out via the
main building contractor. It also represents the tender savings, arising from other fit-out items,
which have been included within the main contingency fund, currently represented within the
Building line. Overall the project is on budget.
A claim for £1.095 million in grant aid has recently been submitted to the Heritage Lottery
Fund (HLF) for the period 1 January 2010 to 31 March 2010 against the HLF grant award of
£18.14 million.
3.2 Fundraising
The Riverside Museum Fundraising Appeal has secured over £3.3 million in donations, with
just under 12 months remaining. The public appeal phase has been launched, obtaining
extensive press and some broadcast interest. A series of events are being planned to
maintain the momentum of the appeal. The Trustees are satisfied with progress to date, but
note the impact of the recession especially on Trust funding.
4.0 RECOMMENDATION
It is recommended that the Committee note the progress of the Riverside Museum Project.
APPENDIX
1 PROGRAMME
Building site start November 2007
Museum of Transport closes to the public April 2010
Building handover November 2010
Building fitout complete March 2011
The Project is currently forecasting a programme completion of March 2011.

M_Riaz

June 29th, 2010, 03:21 PM

Item 12 (http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/councillorsandcommittees/viewDoc.asp?c=e%97%9De%97q%82%89)

Riverside Museum - Contract for supply and installation of interactive and AV
displays and supply of LCD screens and touch screens, interactive source
hardware and audio delivery equipment - Award of contract approved.
12 There was submitted a report by the Executive Director of Corporate Services
regarding tenders received for the contract for the supply and installation of
interactive and Audio Visual (AV) displays and the supply of LCD screens and touch
screens, interactive source hardware and audio delivery equipment for the Riverside
Museum.
After consideration, the committee
(1) approved the award of a contract for the supply and installation of interactive
and AV displays and the supply of LCD screens and touch screens,
interactive source hardware and audio delivery equipment for the Riverside
Museum as follows:-
Lot Contractor Tender cost
Lot 1 – Supply and install
interactive and AV Displays
Jetside T/A Sysco Ltd £352,496
Lot 2 – Supply LCD Screens
and Touch Screens
Impulse Corporation Ltd £114,168
Lot 3 – Supply of Interactive
Source Hardware
Electrosonic Ltd £63,957
Lot 4 – Supply of Audio
Delivery Equipment
Electrosonic Ltd £50,796; and
(2) agreed, in terms of Standing Order No 29, that this matter would not be
subject to the call-in process.

JohnnyFive

August 8th, 2010, 11:47 PM

I took a few snaps of the Transport Museum earlier today which show how the works are progressing.

http://i38.tinypic.com/2431dzk.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/1492phi.jpg

http://i37.tinypic.com/2yjtpgi.jpg

M_Riaz

August 31st, 2010, 08:55 PM

:)

Clyde Waterfront (http://www.clydewaterfront.com/about-clyde-waterfront/image-galleries/riverside-museum-progress)

http://www.clydewaterfront.com/media/10998/RM_MP13180_IG_copyright_McAteerPhotograph_ClydeWaterfront.jpg

http://www.clydewaterfront.com/media/10994/RM_MP13171_IG_copyright_McAteerPhotograph_ClydeWaterfront.jpg

M_Riaz

September 21st, 2010, 02:57 PM

BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-11372129)

20 September 2010

Steam engine moves to new Glasgow museum

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/49172000/jpg/_49172094__44076695_traingalleryingingham416-1.jpg

Glasgow's newest museum is taking delivery of a massive steam locomotive ahead of its planned opening next year.
Locomotive 3007 will be the largest single exhibit on show at the Riverside Museum from Spring 2011.
The 197 tonne engine is being wrapped in protective materials ahead of its transfer later this week.
Built in 1945 in Polmadie, Glasgow, the 15F mountain class locomotive spent all its working life in South Africa before being brought home in 2007.
The engine worked for 40 years pulling the Blue Train from Johannesburg to Cape Town until 1988 when she was mothballed.
The locomotive was brought back to Scotland by transport giant FirstGroup, which is founder patron of the Riverside Museum Appeal.
Since 2007, it has been undergoing extensive restoration work.

M_Riaz

September 21st, 2010, 07:17 PM

youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0nsw1ZAFg&p=538EB048DB2255E3&playnext=1&index=3) link on some of the components for the new riverside museum.

Loco 3007 is one of these components.

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djmaxliving

October 1st, 2010, 08:57 PM

Historic Tall Ship to light up the Clyde

http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/glaswegian/sep2010/8/7/tall-ship-605849977.jpg

The city's historic Tall Ship is set to light up the River Clyde in 2011.

From May next year, the famous Glenlee will be illuminated with the dramatic lighting, allowing visitors and Glaswegians to see its grand design at night.

The Clyde-side attraction joins a long list of city landmarks, including the City Chambers, Glasgow Cathedral and the Mitchell Library, incorporated in the Lighting Urban Community International (LUCI) project.

Last week, the Glaswegian told how the ship is now hosting a Titanic exhibition, which runs until the end of February next year.

http://www.theglaswegian.co.uk/glasgow-news/news-in-brief/2010/09/30/historic-tall-ship-to-light-up-the-clyde-102692-22597708/

R.K.Teck

October 2nd, 2010, 08:33 PM

Isn't it great that the Clydeside redevelopment is getting a new museum designed by a Stirling Prize architect!! =D

escotregen

October 5th, 2010, 02:28 PM

Yes hopefully there will be a bit of slashed-on positive publicity for Glasgow. It was great to see Zaha getting her Stirling prize after previous let-downs. By the way, I look forward to when she next visits Glasgow her again wearing that yellow amazing thing she sort of wore at the prize giving.

As for Tom Dyckhoff and his mapping of architectural ‘camps’ in the UK:weird:… it was a good argument for him and some fellow architects 'critics' to get out more instead of talking to each other in some odd and unworldly language.

gorgu

October 6th, 2010, 10:57 PM

when is this due to open again?
Summer 2011?

M_Riaz

October 23rd, 2010, 04:07 PM

AJ (http://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/) Interview of Patricia Cain (http://www.patriciacain.com/index.html) By Alan Dunlop (http://www.alandunloparchitects.com/) of the award winning artwork achieved recently on the new Transport Museum (http://www.patriciacain.com/riverside-museum.htm) :)

Sorry if its a bit squeezed it was a very large doc that allan sent me and too big to upload.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7233/adpcintv.jpg

http://www.patriciacain.com/gallery_pics/riverside-museum/medium/interior4.jpg

djmaxliving

November 21st, 2010, 03:37 PM

:banana:

latest aerial photos of Riverside Museum

http://riversidemuseum.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/2010-11-01-rvdsc_9210.jpg?w=660

http://riversidemuseum.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/2010-11-01-rvdsc_9218.jpg?w=660

http://riversidemuseum.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/2010-11-01-rvdsc_9204.jpg?w=660

This wee slideshow shows the very latest aerial photographs of the new Riverside Museum, on the banks of the rivers Clyde and Kelvin in Glasgow.

The building is all but complete (handover from our contractors BAM is expected in the next few weeks) and now work is focusing upon the external landscaping, which is progressing at a fantastic rate. Only this week trees were planted outside the museum’s north entrance.

http://riversidemuseum.wordpress.com/2010/11/17/

Monkey9000

November 21st, 2010, 07:32 PM

M_Riaz

November 21st, 2010, 10:15 PM

The more I see aerials of this area the more I feel it's necessary and viable to build a bridge connecting Govan to the North bank. The potential for successful regeneration in Govan would be massively increased.

There Certainly is plans for access to the museum from water row @ Govan, a few years ago there were plans mooted for a bridge crossing to Glasgow Harbour and the Transport Museum, how and when these plans come in to reality only time will tell, if the GH retail and leisure plans come alive then it might well be needed and would significantly increase footfall towards central Govan which is much needed for the regeneration of this town centre.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/217/5bridges.jpg

The plans for a river ferry are on with the council investigating several feasibilities and studies on the best river craft to use for this river crossing method.

ITEM 3 (http://www.glasgowcitycouncil.co.uk/committee_minutes/public/extdocviewtop.asp?CID=2844&DATE=17/11/2009&TIME=13:30&DAY=Tuesday&PAGE=1) 17 November 2009

7. WATER ROW PUBLIC REALM
7.1 Allowance is being made in the DRS riverside infrastructure budget for a
contribution of £1.1m to undertake public realm improvements at Water Row.
These improvements will complement those undertaken at Govan Cross (via
CGAP & THI) and also the New Riverside Museum on the north bank of the Clyde.
The public realm improvements are linked to the provision of a protocol facility
capable of accommodating a river bus service.
7,.2 The Water Row public realm improvement budget is an integral part of a larger
package of funding, totalling £9.4 million being assembled by the Council to
complete the public realm and transport infrastructure for the New Riverside
Museum. The package includes £2.65m from Scottish Enterprise, the provision of
which is conditional on works being carried out on both the north and south bank of
the Clyde and that spend is achieved by March 2011:

Riverside Information Cost

£M NRM Funding £M

Slipway 1.5
Derelict Land Fund 1.0
Permanent landscaping &
Lighting 3.2
LES Slipway 2.0
Temp car park & bus structure 3.0
Riverside Regeneration Budget 1.75
Pontoons 0.6
Scottish Enterprise 2.65
Water Row public realm 1.1
Better Glasgow Fund 2.1

Estimated Total 9.4 Indicative Funding Package 9.4

legslikeaspider

November 21st, 2010, 11:25 PM

The more I see aerials of this area the more I feel it's necessary and viable to build a bridge connecting Govan to the North bank. The potential for successful regeneration in Govan would be massively increased.

I agree with this. Looking at that second picture DJ posted, the nearest transport node (as the crow flies) is actually Govan underground/bus station. The best place to view the museum will be from the opposite bank - there's already a glorious view of the huge jaggedy picture window from Govan Cross area. A wee ferry would be a good start but it would need to have a decent frequency - every 6 or 7 mins.

legslikeaspider

November 21st, 2010, 11:29 PM

I agree with this. Looking at that second picture DJ posted, the nearest transport node (as the crow flies) is actually Govan underground/bus station. The best place to view the museum will be from the opposite bank - there's already a glorious view of the huge jaggedy picture window from Govan Cross area. A wee ferry would be a good start but it would need to have a decent frequency - every 6 or 7 mins.

actually, just thinking about that glorious view from Govan, I hope they don't spoil it by parking the Glenlee right in front of the museum. It looks like there is space a few yards upstream - anyone know if this is where it will go?

EDITED TO ADD:

Looking back through this thread, it does look like the Glenlee will be berthed right outside the big window. Ho-hum, it may actually work quite well. In other news: some of the interior renders look great, I get the feeling that they're really having a go to make the inside as distinctive as the outside, which is only fitting since people go to museums to see the exhibits, any jizzing over the exterior is a secondary benefit. I can't wait for this to open now, I think I'm most excited about the big South African train but I'm also looking forward in years to come to taking my kids who no doubt will delightedly gape at the exhibits in the same way I did when I was a tiddler (I can remember when the transport museum was over where the tramway is now).

R.K.Teck

November 22nd, 2010, 01:18 AM

What about a cable car across the river at this point? Transport for London are looking at putting one between The Millennium Dome and The Isle of Dogs, perhaps a similar project could be attempted in Glasgow - The advantage of the cable car is it allows high passages travel over the Clyde and as a result would not affect Ships using the waterway.

bestbud

November 22nd, 2010, 01:18 AM

Much of the fit out is already under way with some of the larger exibits aready inside, imcluding the train, trams etc.

The internal roof follows the identical profile to the external and surfaces are light green in colour.

Work is also underway on "the street" with some of the frontages also in place.

External landscaping is certainly picking up pace.

All in all, looking mighty impressive.

bestbud

November 24th, 2010, 04:09 PM

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt145/best_bud/DSC00851.jpg

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt145/best_bud/DSC00846.jpg

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt145/best_bud/DSC00868.jpg

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt145/best_bud/DSC00859.jpg

Ahhhh

November 24th, 2010, 04:25 PM

I must say, I really want to like this building, it looks absolutely fantastic from the air, but from the ground it is dreadfully boring.

(Is that a good enough reason to build several super talls nearby; so that as many people can see the museum from above, as possible?)

djmaxliving

November 24th, 2010, 10:05 PM

Suits Glasgow down to the ground in a good way. I would rather have this than the new Museum in Liverpool. Nice post Bestbud.

Adieu8

November 25th, 2010, 12:32 AM

I was sceptical at first but now seeing it nearly finished I really like it. Just need to now fill the space around it and get some decent transport link to the area i.e FASTLINK

morphology

November 25th, 2010, 04:55 PM

Looking at the latest pictures I cant help but being disappointed by the outcome of the transport museum. It really does just look like a shed with a wavy roof. A wavy roof for wavy roofs sake. Formal masturbation if you will.

I was recently watching a video about Hamburg’s Elbphilharmonie concert hall by Herzog & de Meuron. How interesting would it have been if new housing and a museum had been converted into elements of the Meadowside Granary rather than tearing it down and building generic lumps of render along the site. It could have created a brilliant juxtaposition between the heritage and future of the clyde.

If only we had Herzog & de Meuron rather than Zaha....

gweilo

November 25th, 2010, 07:34 PM

The real tragedy was not using the Randolph & Elder Engineering Works at Tradeston Street. An ‘A’ listed shed with an absolutely amazing rugged industrial interior. Would have made a perfect fit as a transport and industrial heritage museum and only a stone’s throw from the Clyde and Central Glasgow. Sadly bulldozed in the mid seventies.

http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/44341/details/glasgow+13+23+tradeston+street+randolph+amp+elder+engineering+works/

The Elbphilharmonie looks amazing… Herzog & de Meuron…one can but dream.

bestbud

December 22nd, 2010, 02:29 PM

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50520000/jpg/_50520015_riversidemuseummontage261.jpg

The keys to Glasgow's new Riverside Museum have been handed over to the city council now that construction work on the £74m venue has been completed.

The museum, on the banks of the River Clyde, will house the city's valuable transport collection which was on display at the Kelvin Hall until April.

Larger exhibits have already been put in place. Now work will start to install the remaining 3,000 objects.

The museum is scheduled to open in late Spring 2011.

Building contractor BAM began construction on the complex, designed by Stirling Prize-winner Zaha Hadid, in 2007.

The building was formally handed over to Glasgow Museums staff on Tuesday.
Continue reading the main story
“Start Quote

With the Tall Ship Glenlee berthed alongside, the Riverside Museum is certain to become an iconic image of Glasgow”

End Quote Gordon Matheson Glasgow City Council leader

BAM is expected to remain on site for a few more weeks, with only landscaping, the south façade and some snagging to finish.

Larger transport objects, such as subway cars, locomotives and trams, have already been installed in the museum.

Smaller objects, such as cars, bikes, motorbikes and ship models, will now be transferred from the Kelvin Hall, where they have been under wraps since April.

Glasgow City Council leader Gordon Matheson said: "The building itself is a feat of engineering, and BAM has done a fantastic job turning Zaha Hadid's ambitious design into what I'm sure will become one of the city's most recognisable and popular buildings."

"With the Tall Ship Glenlee berthed alongside, the Riverside Museum is certain to become an iconic image of Glasgow.

"It represents the city's rich and proud heritage as well as its ambitions and potential for the future."

The bulk of funding for the Riverside Museum has already been committed by Glasgow City Council and the Heritage Lottery Fund.

An ongoing appeal to raise the remaining £5m is close to 80% of its target.
BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-12049922)

M_Riaz

December 26th, 2010, 06:46 PM

zaha-hadid.com (http://www.zaha-hadid.com/cultural/glasgow-riverside-museum-of-transport)

http://www.zaha-hadid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Picture-9-web.jpg

http://www.zaha-hadid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Picture-2-web2.jpg

http://www.zaha-hadid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Picture-7-web.jpg

bestbud

December 26th, 2010, 08:59 PM

Wow just about sums the roof up!!
Outstanding workmanship.

indiekid

December 27th, 2010, 11:15 PM

Will the detailing of the roof be visible from the expressway?

M_Riaz

December 27th, 2010, 11:48 PM

Will the detailing of the roof be visible from the expressway?

Nah not much. GSV (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=clydeside+expressway&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Clydeside+Expy,+Glasgow,+Glasgow+City+G3+8,+United+Kingdom&ll=55.869821,-4.313121&spn=0,0.043774&z=15&layer=c&cbll=55.867417,-4.304903&panoid=8RD0YpDStJn0EWjjmgYGbg&cbp=12,191.15,,1,6.42)

Not unless ye've a jetpack. :)

http://digitalschweinshaxe.net/images/uploads/19_30_Jet-pack-Thunderball-1965-Sean-Connery.jpg

gme

December 28th, 2010, 01:35 AM

I have access to a webcam stationed across the river from the new museum (sorry, I can't share the link). I just spotted one of the trains and some of the (as yet empty) car walls illuminated by the temporary lighting.

*****SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!******

Can't wait until April/May!

Glasgow 2097

January 7th, 2011, 04:40 PM

Ouch. When even the Evening Times - for whom a shiny new manhole cover is front-page news and proof that the city now bats in the big leagues - is sticking the boot in, you know you're in a hole.

Showpiece in a a wasteland (http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/editor-s-picks/showpiece-in-a-a-wasteland-1.1078586) (Sub-editor failure left uncorrected for posterity.)

Glasgow’s gleaming new transport museum will spend YEARS surrounded by nothing but Tarmac, the Evening Times has learned.

The £74 million showcase is on schedule to open this spring on a site where the Kelvin flows into the Clyde. But the publicly-funded museum will now stand alone at the site as hundreds of millions of pounds of private development stalls.

The Evening Times understands the old Yorkhill Quay around the striking zinc-tiled attraction will simply be paved over to create a giant car park – rather than the luxury homes, hotel, conference centre and casino once planned for the area.

Some council sources have long worried that the museum would be left isolated on its riverside site – especially after the financial crisis hit housebuilding on the river. Their fears now appear to have been justified.

The Evening Times, for example, understands a much-vaunted footbridge across the Kelvin – to link the museum with Partick and the Glasgow Harbour development – will not be in place until 2013.

Local MSP Pauline McNeill today said work would be needed to make the best of bad luck.

She said: “When it is finished this is going to be one of the most spectacular parts of Glasgow and the museum is going to be a fantastic attraction.

“But with the current pace of development, there is going to have to be some urgent thinking to make sure that the museum doesn’t appear to be something on the edge of the city, something inaccessible.

“There has to be work done to make sure that families, especially those without cars, can make it to the site without too much trouble.”

A spokesman for Glasgow Life, the council-owned charity which runs the city’s museums, today insisted new transport links would be in place for the museum’s opening, including a shuttle bus from its sister institution, the Kelvingrove.

Ms McNeill and others who know the area well acknowledge that the walk to the museum from the nearest subways, Kelvin Hall and Partick, will not be as pleasant as it would be if the planned new Kelvin bridge was in place. But the museum spokesman insisted everything possible would be done to upgrade existing footpaths.

He also said the attraction would make the best possible use of the opportunity presented by being surrounded by acres of asphalt.

He said: “There are going to be great events – they are under wraps just now – and they are going to last for months after the opening.

“The initial masterplan for the site did include a lot more infrastructure. But, perhaps understandably, this hasn’t materialised yet.

“But more than enough will be happening to make people pretty excited.”

Land east and west of the Kelvin is owned by Glasgow Harbour. It has plans for a new “town centre” on the west bank, although insiders acknowledge this has been delayed by the economic slump.

A spokesman, said: “We are developing proposals for the retail and leisure district of Glasgow Harbour adjoining the museum site, and details of this will be announced in late spring or early summer.”

Aye, well, we're used to things not materialising in Glasgow. Except for long-term gap sites and car parks where buildings used to be. We're ace at that kind of shit. :banana:

indiekid

January 7th, 2011, 06:39 PM

Not unless ye've a jetpack. :)

Maybe the honorable Sir Sean will find enough time inbetween telling us what's best for Scotland from Barbados, and geez us a wee loan:)

Sweet Zombie Jesus

January 8th, 2011, 02:01 AM

Kind of glad everything around the museum has stalled, the plans were quite horrendous anyway... mega-Buchanan Galleries-by-the-Clyde? Naw thanks. Maybe when things pick up again something might be proposed which contributes to both the city and the river, not some bloated, shiny, temple to ye olde 20th century style capitalism. Maybe.

Chop up the huge swathes of land into seperate chunks and develop it bit by bit (governed by a masterplan, of course). Dont be afraid to use different architects á la New Gorbals... and for fucks sake get some activity/density down on that river! They say they propose a "new town centre" down there but I can't see much happening after 5pm if they keep different uses apart in seperate zones so much.

djmaxliving

January 28th, 2011, 04:38 PM

Looking Good but very alone by herself ?.

http://riversidemuseum.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/rside231110__106.jpg

http://riversidemuseum.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/dsc_0995.jpg

The Riverside Museum Appeal has now raised £4million, and in these last few months of the project it’s making a final push to reach its £5m target. You can help by donating online at www.riversideappeal.org or, to make a £5 donation, text “Riverside” to 70700. All donations will be permanently recognised in the new museum.

http://riversidemuseum.wordpress.com/2011/01/07/riverside-museum-like-youve-never-seen-it-before/

djmaxliving

January 30th, 2011, 05:35 PM

I did not realise until today that the cost of building the Glasgow Transport Museum was about the same price as the new Liverpool Museum which one would you have chosen for Glasgow A = Glasgow or B = Liverpool.

Sweet Zombie Jesus

January 30th, 2011, 09:32 PM

I would prefer Gareth Hoskins proposal...

http://www.futureglasgow.co.uk/Alternate/Transport_Museum3.jpg

http://www.futureglasgow.co.uk/Alternate/Transport_Museum2.jpg

But if you put a gun to my head and forced me to choose, I'd pick the Liverpool one.

Glasgow 2097

January 31st, 2011, 01:30 PM

Oops.

Exclusive: Museum mystery as tram exhibit joins missing list (http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/exclusive-museum-mystery-as-tram-exhibit-joins-missing-list-1.1082655)

http://www.heraldscotland.com/polopoly_fs/12366795-1.1082660!image/1801119134.JPG_gen/derivatives/landscape_300/1801119134.JPG

It is not something you could easily mislay or steal, like, say, a small curio or a valuable painting.

But the same museum chiefs who last week admitted to 84 works having vanished over the years, now say the front end of a tram is missing too.

Glasgow Life, which runs the city’s museums and galleries, yesterday confirmed that the complete driving gear unit from the front end of a Glasgow standard tramcar, donated in 1975 by a tram enthusiast, Dr Ian Macdougall, has also been lost.

Dr Macdougall had in the late 1990s been reassured that his sizeable bequest, which also included boxes of tramcar drivers’ timeboards, old tickets – some from the 19th century – and around 50 spools of colour film of the trams working in Glasgow’s streets in 1960, were located in the museum collections.

Now he says he is “devastated” that the bequest appears to have disappeared, and has said he will not donate anything else to Glasgow museums in the future.

Last week The Herald revealed that 84 works of art, with 10 confirmed as stolen, are “unlocated” in the museum and gallery collections. The 10 stolen paintings include works by Scottish artists and 300-year-old paintings by Dutch and Flemish masters.

These include works by Scottish artists James Docharty and Robert Gemmill Hutchison, English painters James Holland and Gilbert Spencer, the 17th-century Flemish painter David Teniers, or artists from his studio, and the Dutch painter Cornelis Dusart. Now, it appears, items are missing from elsewhere in the museum collections.

Glasgow Life said it will work with Dr Macdougall, who was raised and educated in Glasgow but is now based in Dundee, to try and find at least some of the missing objects.

Dr Macdougall donated the collection to the old Museum of Transport in 1975: his father had given him, a tram enthusiast, the front end of the tramcar as a gift, and he had made sure it was “beautifully restored”.

In 1997, he wrote to the museum to confirm that “everything was in order” and received a letter from a curator, R Smith, acknowledging that the items were located in reserve collections. However, he was more recently informed by the present curator, Dr John Messner, that the items could not be found.

“I am devastated, and I just wish I had checked earlier,” Dr Macdougall said. “I had no space to keep [the tram unit] at my home and it seemed the right thing to do. I am very upset the films are missing too. I felt I was giving something back to the city, they were very important to me.”

Glasgow Life confirmed that items donated by Dr Macdougall remain designated as “unlocated”, including the tram driving unit. However, it is understood that curators are confident that some of the other items – including the tickets and the time boards – can be found and the museums will invite Dr Macdougall to Glasgow to identify items himself.

A spokesman for Glasgow Life, said: “Storage and inventory arrangements in the past were far from satisfactory, with Glasgow’s 1.4 million objects held in the collection spread across 147 storage spaces in 14 buildings.

“After the audit in 1996, the city prioritised the security, inventory and storage of the collections by investing in world-class museum stores. “Today, we have just three secure storage facilities, including the £20 million Glasgow Museums Resource Centre in Nitshill, which is home to one million objects.”

In the late 1990s, after the arrival of Bridget McConnell as director of cultural services and Mark O’Neill as head of museums, a decision to change the previous policy of not reporting thefts was reversed.

R.K.Teck

February 5th, 2011, 11:13 PM

Oh Christ - that wood clad building looks a hell of a lot better...
... but given the choice, I'd have C - Dundee V and A every time. ;)

maccoinnich

February 6th, 2011, 07:54 AM

I think it's meant to be Cor-Ten steel.

R.K.Teck

February 6th, 2011, 06:52 PM

That rusty stuff. Would fit in with the industrial image that part of the riverside has, no?
And also be differant, considering the other Clydeside 'icons' are all the same silver/grey colour: Science centre, Armadilo, IMAX and the new concert hall are all monotonous colours.

The orange would have brightened it up.

*I still think the 'icons' look cool, however ;)

bestbud

February 6th, 2011, 07:33 PM

It's easy to say other options such as the V&A or Hoskin's design would have been better, by looking at pretty pictures.

The V&A will never be built as per the current proposal for the current price tag. It isn't possible. Pretty pictures provide publicity and gain funding but Value engineering is a necessary part of almost every design at the moment. SO, no matter what the proposal lloked like in a pretty render, it is uncommon for it to be quite as good in practice these days.

I actually think they've done an excellent job on this building and can't wait for the surrounding area to be developed..... eventually.

R.K.Teck

February 6th, 2011, 08:58 PM

Dundee V&A has a £40 or £50m budget, but to complete it on budget... not a chance. Up to £90m has been suggested from some experts. It should look good once it's done.

I don't think Glasgow should be dissapointed with their new Transport Museum. It matches it's renderings well, and a big name architect should get it good publicity. Has it been built to budget - if so hopefully Dundee can learn the lessons and apply them,

bestbud

February 20th, 2011, 12:31 PM

Some great photos by Buncan McLean on Flickr ox the external cladding / glazing.

Duncan McLean on Flckr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/duncanmclean/5424530861/in/photostream/)

Unfortunately I don't have the skill or knowledge to embed the photo in here, despite several efforts.(??)

I wasn't convinced about the penetrations through the cladding, I thought they might have looked out of place and a bit cluttered. But looking at those photos the glazing is fantastic. I'm very impressed.

M_Riaz

February 27th, 2011, 02:28 AM

ITEM 2 (http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/councillorsandcommittees/submissiondocuments.asp?submissionid=48458)
1st March 2011

Riverside Museum Access and Transport – Progress Report

Purpose of Report:
To inform the External Governance Scrutiny Committee of the progress with the
provision of access and transport for the opening of the Riverside Museum in
May 2011.

Recommendations:
To note the contents of the report.

1 Background
1.1 The Riverside Museum project which comprises a new location for the Glasgow
Museum of Transport and for the Clyde Maritime Trust is situated on Pointhouse
Quay at the confluence of the Rivers Clyde and Kelvin. The site is within the
Glasgow Harbour development and was designed to be incorporated into the
transport infrastructure for that development.
1.2 As the Riverside Museum is being delivered in advance of the adjacent phases of
the Glasgow Harbour Development, it has been necessary for Glasgow City Council
and Glasgow Life to identify the particular access and transport needs of the
museum and procure their delivery in advance of the museum opening in late
spring of 2011.
1.3 The access and transport measures being delivered by Glasgow City Council in
conjunction with Glasgow Life are listed below.
a) Car parking to the north of the museum
b) Access road from Stobcross Road to car park and bus stances
c) Enhancements to the walking routes from Kelvingrove
d) Tourist signage on the roads approaching the museum
e) Pedestrian signage on the walk routes to the museum
f) Shuttle bus service linking the museum, Partick Interchange and Kelvingrove
to the city centre
g) River ferry linking the museum and Govan
1.4 In addition, a number of other transport and environmental improvement measures
are being delivered by others and are listed below for information only.

�� The relocation of the existing sightseeing bus stop from the pump house to
the museum
�� The Forgotten Island community garden project on Yorkhill Quay during the
summer of 2011 by Giant Productions of Glasgow
�� The construction of a riverside walkway between the pump house and the
museum is being considered by Glasgow Harbour.

2 Progress
2.1 Progress with Access and transport measures are as follows:
a) An on-site car park which was extended from 220 to 333 spaces including 18
disabled bays is being constructed immediately to the north of the Museum
Plaza. The contractor was appointed in November 2010 and is working to a
programme which will complete the car park by the end of April 2011.
The car park will be operated by City Parking (Glasgow) LLP on behalf of
GCC with charging at the established museum tariff.
b) The construction of the access road and bus bays is being carried out within
the same contract as the on-site car park and again is programmed to be
complete by the end of April 2011. The works are being phased to ensure
access to the museum at all times for the Fit-Out and other Contractors
continuing to work in and around the museum building
c) Enhancements to the existing walking route between the museum and
Kelvingrove have been discussed and agreed with Glasgow Life. The main
element of work is the upgrading of the lighting in the underpass below the
Clydeside Expressway to improve visibility and safety. A quotation for this
work is currently being prepared by the car park and access road contractor
for consideration
d) Discussions have taken place with Glasgow Life to understand their access
road route strategy for the museum and a survey has been carried out of the
existing tourist signs approaching The Tall Ship. From this information
tourist signs are being designed and their locations identified to allow
manufacture and erection prior to the opening of the museum. In addition
Glasgow Life is in discussion with SPT on agreeing Partick Station as the
main landing platform with train, level, platform and directional signage
e) Walk routes have been identified between the museum and Partick,
Kelvingrove and the SECC and between Govan and the ferry pontoon to
design the position and content of pedestrian signs. Discussions are
underway with Development and Regeneration Services to ensure
compatibility with existing pedestrian signs used within Glasgow. The signs
will be manufactured and erected prior to the opening of the museum
f) In conjunction with SPT an advert was placed in the press seeking
expressions of interest from operators to run a subsidised shuttle bus service
between the museum, Partick Interchange and Kelvingrove. Three
expressions of interest were received.
Subsequently, one of the operators has informed GCC that they intend to
operate a commercial, unsubsidised, service between the museum, Partick
Interchange, Kelvingrove and the city centre running at 15 minute intervals
during the summer and every 30 minutes during the winter. As a result,
legislation would not allow the offering of a subsidy to run the shuttle.

Detailed discussions are now underway with the operator regarding route,
timetabling and bus stock to allow them to make an application to the Traffic
Commissioner for the registration of the service. Further discussions are
taking place on the bus livery and the installation of video screens on the
buses to advertise the museum, to give information of events and to give
route information
Although the expected visitor uptake of the service is high, the operator has
given no firm commitment to operate the services beyond the legal minimum
of 90 days which is the minimum required by the Traffic Commissioner and
includes a 70 day period for notice to withdraw from the service
In the unlikely event of the service failing, the Council would have the 70
days notice period to arrange for a replacement subsidised service. The
Traffic Commissioner has procedures in place to allow for this situation
ensuring that there is no break in service
g) Glasgow Life is also continuing to examine the viability of a 'land train' as an
attraction and link from the Riverside Museum to Bell's Bridge. They are
investigating potential routes and types of vehicles to link the two sites
h) Tenders for a cross river ferry link between the museum and Govan have
been issued, returned and assessed for an operator to provide a suitable
vessel and operate the ferry service on a commercial basis without subsidy.
A report was taken to the Executive Committee on 17 February 2011 and
approval given to appoint the operator, Clyde Marine Services.
3 Service Implications
Financial: All funding is in place for these works
Legal: Agreements and licences to be put in place
Personnel: None
Service Plan: None
Environmental: None
4 Recommendations
4.1 To note the content of this report.

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M_Riaz

February 28th, 2011, 03:20 AM

Glaswegians passion for cinema to be displayed @ the new Transport Museum. :)

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allanglens

March 21st, 2011, 04:11 PM

Opening to the public on 21st June, according to BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-12808217

allanglens

M_Riaz

March 25th, 2011, 07:21 PM

Riverside Museum.doc (http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/councillorsandcommittees/submissiondocuments.asp?submissionid=48870)

RIVERSIDE MUSEUM PROJECT REPORT 14

Purpose of report:
To update the Committee on the progress of the Riverside Museum Project.

Recommendations:
Committee is asked to note the progress of the Riverside Museum Project.

RIVERSIDE MUSEUM PROJECT REPORT 14
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
�� The project is overall on budget and programme.
�� Practical completion and Final Account for the building and landscape was achieved on 17
December 2010
�� The museum will be opened to the public late June 2011
1.0 PERIOD REVIEW December 2010 – March 2011
1.1 Building & Landscape
1.1.1 The building was practically completed and a final account agreed on 17 December 2011.
Completion of some works including the façade sofitts and the installation of the lobby ceilings
will continue along with snagging until the end of March 2011.
1.1.2 The landscape works are largely complete. Some final landscaping works and planting will be
completed through to spring 2011 to avoid potential winter damage to new planting and to tie
in with adjacent works including the outstanding quay wall works, the Clyde Maritime Trust
ticket pavilion, the Kelvin Harbour slipway and pontoon and the car park and access road
works.
1.1.3 Land and Enviromental Services (LES) are discussing with their contractor, Farrans, a revised
programme to complete the outstanding quay works. The work involves the installation of the
cathodic protection for the quay and Glenlee Tall Ship.
1.1.4 Work is well underway to deliver the adjacent Kelvin Harbour slipway works and pontoon,
Clyde Maritime Trust ticket pavilion and museum car parking and access road. These works
will be delivered in line with the museum fitout works and completion of the project.
1.2 Exhibitions, Collections and Fitout
1.2.1 Mivan, the main exhibition contractor, has become the principal contractor for the main
exhibition space with the overall site managed by Glasgow Life. The programme for the fitout
of the museum has been affected by the severe weather in December 2010, by design
interface issues with the base build and base build snagging and late design work. The severe
weather delayed deliveries of fitout components and reduced staffing. A revised programme
of accelerated works has been agreed in line with the public opening of the museum and preopening
stakeholder events – see item 1.3.
1.2.2 Most of the objects and some of the graphic interpretation has been installed in the 1900
recreated Glasgow street. The fabric of a representative 1930 – 1980 street is complete and
work is commencing on the installation of museum collections.
1.2.3 Almost 85% of the large showcases are installed and around 60% of other show cases have
been delivered to site.
1.2.4 All backend display management software has been built. The design of on-screen elements
is 75% complete and the software elements for the interactive displays are progressing to
programme.
1.2.5 The completion of the fitout of the office area is imminent ahead the move of Museum of
Transport staff to the new Riverside Museum at the end of March 2011.
1.2.6 The conservation of the collections to be displayed at the new Riverside Museum, including
those currently displayed at the Museum of Transport, is complete.
1.3 Public opening and pre-opening stakeholder events
1.3.1 The Riverside Museum and The Tall Ship will be opened to the public at the end of June
2011.
1.3.2 A pre and post opening events programme is being developed by Glasgow Life in consultation
with the Clyde Maritime Trust, Glasgow City Marketing Bureau, Glasgow Harbour, the
Riverside Museum Appeal and other stakeholders.
1.3.3 The Clyde Maritime Trust will move the SV Glenlee Tall Ship from its current berth to
alongside the Riverside museum in late April/early May 2011.
2.0 FORECAST March 2010 – May 2011
2.1 Building & Landscape
Complete outstanding building and landscape works
2.2 Exhibitions, Collections and Fitout
Complete fitout of main display elements
Complete the fitout of the office, retail, learning space and catering areas.
Continue the installation of the collections, graphics, IT/AV and interactive exhibits
3.0 FINANCIAL REPORT
3.1 Monitoring statement
This monitoring statement provides a financial summary to 18 February 2011. It provides a
forecast of income and expenditure by Financial Year and also by Expenditure Heading. It is
based on information contained within the Council’s corporate financial systems and includes
accruals and adjustments in line with agreed financial policies.
Whilst the project remains forecast to be delivered within the approved expenditure budget, a
£0.6m shortfall in budgeted income has recently been identified in relation to a contribution
from Glasgow Harbour. This has been reflected in the forecast income figures reported below.

Building 44,833 8,286 861 53,980 53,049
Exhibition Fit-Out 384 6,332 4,848 11,564 4,789
Professional Fees 7,627 732 229 8,588 8,171
Other Project Costs (#) 8,260 2,429 0 10,689 10,089
Total Expenditure 61,104 17,779 5,938 84,821 71,770
Income 14,436 4,054 8,615 27,105 16,614

(#) Note : Other Project Costs include expenditure relating to New Acquisitions, Conservation
Works, Decant of Display Items/ Exhibits and Project Team Costs.
A claim for £0.837 million in grant aid has been submitted to the Heritage Lottery Fund (HLF)
for the period 1 October to 31 December 2010 against the HLF grant award of £18.14 million.
A further HLF bid has been submitted for additional funding to support the programme. A
decision is expected on 22 March 2011
3.2 Fundraising
To date, the appeal has reached £4.059m, including amounts pledged but not yet received
(1st March 2011). The fund-raising target remains challenging, primarily due to the economic
downturn.
A forthcoming Gala Dinner event, scheduled for 25th March, is expected to raise over
£100,000 net of costs. The public appeal is pushing forward with support from media partners
Daily Record and Radio Clyde.
Corporate support is being sustained and in the last month SPT have confirmed support at
£50,000. News of additional new and significant corporate support is awaited from Rolls
Royce, Park’s Motor Group and RBS.
A proactive media strategy to drive donors to the donations website www.riversideappeal.org
continues. Supporting this further is a SMS text campaign asking the public to text
RIVERSIDE to 70700 and giving £5.
4.0 RECOMMENDATION
It is recommended that the Committee note the progress of the Riverside Museum Project.

APPENDIX
1 PROGRAMME

Building site start November 2007
Museum of Transport closes to the public April 2010
Building handover 17 December 2010
Building opened to the public End of June 2011

bestbud

May 2nd, 2011, 01:30 AM

29/4/11
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Due East

May 2nd, 2011, 01:29 PM

God, thats looking a wee bit grim from the side. Its not unlike the car park and side of the SECC.

djmaxliving

May 2nd, 2011, 01:51 PM

Cracking design. At first i was disappointed with the tinted dark glass instead of having clear glass but it suits it well. Cheers Bestbud.

Glasgow 2097

May 3rd, 2011, 02:16 AM

Given that the building will spend most of its time sitting underneath overcast skies, it does look very grim and uninviting. I'm going to pay it a visit when I'm home. I have very high hopes for the interior, and maybe the exterior will grow on me once I see it up close.

bestbud

May 5th, 2011, 04:48 PM

Glenlee alongside the museum.
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52551000/jpg/_52551810_tallship.jpg

BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-13298857)

Boards

May 5th, 2011, 07:41 PM

God, thats looking a wee bit grim from the side.

Got to say that was my first thought. Titanium cladding would have been nice. The dark glass hasn't grown on me at all either. I'd have to see the building in the flesh though.

kramer81

May 5th, 2011, 10:20 PM

Got to say that was my first thought. Titanium cladding would have been nice. The dark glass hasn't grown on me at all either. I'd have to see the building in the flesh though.

as far as giant grey warehouses go it's pretty hideous

bestbud

May 10th, 2011, 07:00 PM

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt145/best_bud/gmot.jpg

Monkey9000

May 10th, 2011, 07:15 PM

Impressive, the 2 actually work quite well together.

Sweet Zombie Jesus

May 10th, 2011, 07:26 PM

^^ Because the ship partly hides the museum!

Monkey9000

May 10th, 2011, 09:20 PM

Exactly! :D

Objekt.

May 10th, 2011, 11:57 PM

M_Riaz

May 11th, 2011, 03:03 AM

I reckon the building will look far more spectacular at night. With the illumination from inside the building and the lighting on the ship, this could be fairly dramatic.

I've just been wondering, however. Will there be any flood-lighting outside? I can't imagine leaving such a modern build in severe darkness.

A document i have on the specs of the building, which is no longer on the site i downloaded it from.

Architectural description

The hard landscaping will generally be from 1200 x 600mm
granite paving slabs on mortar bedding to Structural
engineer’s details and specifi cations along the building’s
North and West sides and the cafe terrace. Granite kerbs,
forming edges to ramps and steps, will be cut and laid to suit
the indicated landscaping arrangement.
On the East side where regular vehicle traffi c and the crane
route are proposed the road surface will be fi nished with
Tarmac,
On the West side within a more sheltered area, between
the building and the riverside mount, will be the children’s
play area. This area will require further development and
consideration in line with the recently issued brief for the
external areas.
Whereas previously a quay edge seating element was
proposed around the entire South/ East and South/ West
quay sides, the revised proposals now also include a glass
balustrade in front of the Glenlee and other areas to allow
unrestricted views in both directions.
The seating element is now located to the East and West of
the Glenlee. It is to be constructed from pre-cast concrete
benching and include a glass balustrade and below seat
strip light feature.

External lighting will be provided to light up the building
surround footpath with additional feature lighting to be
provided to the base of the external walls.

bestbud

June 1st, 2011, 02:21 PM

milton

June 1st, 2011, 03:00 PM

This one is going to split opinion big style..........

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/polopoly_fs/13906259-1.1104697!image/606310358.JPG_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/606310358.JPG
ET (http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/editor-s-picks/a-sight-at-the-museum-1.1104696)

Worst fears realised.

Firstly, it looks too crowded, but more importantly, what the hell is the point in having cars up on the wall where you can't really see them??

:ohno::ohno:

Ahhhh

June 1st, 2011, 03:03 PM

Oh dear, even the colour of the walls is horrid. Waaaaay too crowded.

Boards

June 1st, 2011, 03:31 PM

The colour's awful, for me personally. Reminds me of a value supermarket. Looks very stark. Is that it completely finished? Is it going to be like that throughout? I can't believe it will be? I'd have liked a building with a lot more natural light.

Weegie38

June 1st, 2011, 03:56 PM

Oh dear, even the colour of the walls is horrid.
I'm hoping that the photographer simply forgot to check his White Balance settings - I can get that hellish colour if I leave my WB at the "incandescent lighting" setting, but then shoot under flourescents.
Waaaaay too crowded.
Agreed. Also it looks like the trains have very little "track environment" underneath them: at the Kelvin Hall they had a few feet of track bed around the engines, and bits'n'bobs like lanterns, bells etc.

bestbud

June 1st, 2011, 04:00 PM

STV Video (http://news.stv.tv/scotland/west-central/253910-new-74m-transport-museum-gears-up-for-opening/)

I don't think the pictures do the place justice, I think it's one of those things that has to be seen in person to form an opinion on. Only 3 weeks to wait.

Boards

June 1st, 2011, 04:15 PM

Does look much better in the video. Some of it looks great.

bestbud

June 1st, 2011, 04:27 PM

BBC Video (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/13619620)

Ahhhh

June 1st, 2011, 06:02 PM

I'm hoping that the photographer simply forgot to check his White Balance settings - I can get that hellish colour if I leave my WB at the "incandescent lighting" setting, but then shoot under flourescents.

I hope you are right ;)

Due East

June 1st, 2011, 06:02 PM

That Mathieson comes across like a lunatic in the video.

bestbud

June 1st, 2011, 06:08 PM

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bestbud

June 1st, 2011, 06:32 PM

Interesting, could be pretty cool.

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Gherkin

June 2nd, 2011, 01:10 AM

The interior looks great. At the end of the day it's a warehouse - the curators have done well to make the exhibitions the focal point inside.

My tutor designed that facade and I was chatting to him about it yesterday. The glass was going to be transparent but it had to be tinted so the sunlight wouldn't damage the exhibits. The other facades look 'cheaper' because they have no context - i.e. the iconic facade has had so much detail, money spent on it because of the importance of that view. The building is a journey that climaxes on the waterfront.

I look forward to visiting when(?) it opens. I think it's just about possible to make a day of it leaving from Leeds, but 4 hours and a £45 train fare... ouch.

djmaxliving

June 2nd, 2011, 02:09 AM

The open date for the new transport museum is June 21st. I would recommend thinking about transport from Glasgow to the museum, it's a bit of a walk.

M_Riaz

June 2nd, 2011, 10:11 PM

Ive had an invite to preview the museum on the 8th of June, can't wait to explore the streets. :cool:

Ben Coopers Flickr Set (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cycleologist/sets/72157622866916433/show/with/5110549816) from a few weeks ago. :)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1227/5109899859_0845a51928_z.jpg

R.K.Teck

June 2nd, 2011, 10:45 PM

Are there any F1 cars in the museum?

Plenty of Sottish talent over the years,

Jim Clark - multiple world champion.
Jackie Stewart - multiple world champion.
David Coulthard - multiple race winner, inlcuding Monaco and Silverstone twice.

They have driven for the big names in F1: Lotus, Tyrell, Mclaren and RedBull for example, and Stewart owned his own F1 team, Stewart Racing* - it would be great if there were some F1 race cars driven by some of this talent.

*There is a Stewart Racing F1 car at the Scottish Museum in Edinburgh.

bestbud

June 2nd, 2011, 11:07 PM

[CENTER]Ive had an invite to preview the museum on the 8th of June, can't wait to explore the streets. :cool:

Is that the same day that Zaha is in town? You going to her talk in Kelvingrove?

M_Riaz

June 2nd, 2011, 11:54 PM

Is that the same day that Zaha is in town? You going to her talk in Kelvingrove?

No BestBud, the preview is being held on the 8th for the Govan,Partick Anderston local residents and nieghbours that are involved with Community groups such as Residents Associations And Communtiy Council members.

Has Hadid ever visited the Building while it was being constructed ?

I'd rather spend the ticket money on buying a drink for the people that actualy constructed and built the place. :)

Glasgow Life (http://www.glasgowlife.org.uk/museums/our-museums/riverside-museum/what's-on/zaha-hadid-in-conversation/Pages/default.aspx)

bestbud

June 3rd, 2011, 12:30 AM

No BestBud, the preview is being held on the 8th for the Govan,Partick Anderston local residents and nieghbours that are involved with Community groups such as Residents Associations And Communtiy Council members.

Has Hadid ever visited the Building while it was being constructed ?

I'd rather spend the ticket money on buying a drink for the people that actualy constructed and built the place. :)

Glasgow Life (http://www.glasgowlife.org.uk/museums/our-museums/riverside-museum/what's-on/zaha-hadid-in-conversation/Pages/default.aspx)

Ah well, enjoy all the same.

No, this will be her first visit. Come to think of it, I think the 9th rings a bell for her visit.

And don't buy anyone a drink, let them do the buying. :lol::cheers:

Bingo Bango

June 9th, 2011, 01:26 PM

The open date for the new transport museum is June 21st. I would recommend thinking about transport from Glasgow to the museum, it's a bit of a walk.

7 minute walk from the underground.

RapidTaco

June 9th, 2011, 04:01 PM

What a fuss about how to get to the new Museum. Indeed, its a max 10 minute walk from Partick Interchange or the underground.

Chris99

June 9th, 2011, 05:09 PM

What a fuss about how to get to the new Museum. Indeed, its a max 10 minute walk from Partick Interchange or the underground.

Trouble is you have to walk through Partick!

Boards

June 9th, 2011, 05:39 PM

I like Partick. I'd be more concerned about the vast brown wasteland surrounding the museum.

leadensky

June 9th, 2011, 05:45 PM

Trouble is you have to walk through Partick!

Can you not exit Partick Interchange onto Beith Street opposite the footbridge over the Expressway. Or do you have to exit onto dunbarton road and walk around the block. Not been there in a while can't picture the layout..

Chris99

June 9th, 2011, 06:13 PM

Can you not exit Partick Interchange onto Beith Street opposite the footbridge over the Expressway. Or do you have to exit onto dunbarton road and walk around the block. Not been there in a while can't picture the layout..

It's a few years since I lived in Partick and my recollection of the layout is also a bit hazy. I never ventured down to the area where the museum is, it was never very inviting as Boards alludes to. Not sure if visitors will feel safe walking around there after dark.

G1p

June 9th, 2011, 06:59 PM

kramer81

June 9th, 2011, 09:22 PM

Yes. You turn right coming out of the station/underground and it's straight over the bridge.

Yep, I'd be surprised if it was even 7 mins and no need to walk through Partick :drunk:

bestbud

June 10th, 2011, 12:56 AM

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/53340000/jpg/_53340115_012183223-1.jpg

"You only have to look out the window to all these sheds and shipyards, and a site at the meeting of two rivers and one knows so much was made on the Clyde and taken round the world," she says, during a tour of the building.

She also believes this is an important flagship for her company, Zaha Hadid Architects. So much so that she's arranged for all 280 of her employees to make a site visit this weekend.

And the infamous pistachio colour scheme, which looks likely to divide public opinion when the building opens on June 21st? Zaha Hadid admits it was her choice - but even she looks like she's having second thoughts."It's hard. You're under pressure to come up with something other than white. It's not an art gallery. It needs something radiant and edgy. I hope they like it - if they don't, they can complain to the director but I think, with all these engines, it's going to be ok."

BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-13720279)

When I read Zaha's comments she always seems to be quite honest, something which I admire.

indiekid

June 10th, 2011, 12:52 PM

Of course this would pop up eventually:|
The building's steel clad exterior and industrial setting has also led to much discussion about whether it's "the Guggenheim of the north" - a reference to the iconic Frank Gehry building which helped change Bilbao's fortunes.

morphology

June 10th, 2011, 01:27 PM

Of course this would pop up eventually:|

its zinc... who rights this guff.

legslikeaspider

June 10th, 2011, 03:01 PM

Mention of the Guggenheim reminded me of this slightly rough and ready cost-benefit analysis that I found of the famous museum in Bilbao.

http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/12681/1/MPRA_paper_12681.pdf

I'd always been under the impression that there was a sharp tail off in visitors from about 3 years after it opened, turns out that is not the case and that in the middle of the last decade, at least, they were still getting more than 800,000 per year and more than 65% of these were non-Basques i.e. tourists from outside the region. As an economic driver, its been pretty successful for that city although the museum was the icing on a cake that included a new subway, upgrading the airport, cleaning up derelict docks, creating new business zones and so on.

Thus, comparisons with the new museum and the Guggenheim are inappropriate. Bilbao has/had little else in the way of tourist attractions whereas Glasgow is already a known destination. Separating out the economic effects of this new museum will be difficult when there are so many other attractions nearby. On the other hand, we can be confident that it won't bomb in the way that the museum of popular music in Sheffield did.

Gommsta

June 15th, 2011, 10:28 PM

Ive had an invite to preview the museum on the 8th of June, can't wait to explore the streets. :cool:

Ben Coopers Flickr Set (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cycleologist/sets/72157622866916433/show/with/5110549816) from a few weeks ago. :)

Did you manage to go along?
What did you think?

I'm back in town on the 24th so will pop along that weekend. Can't wait.

M_Riaz

June 15th, 2011, 10:49 PM

Did you manage to go along?
What did you think?

I'm back in town on the 24th so will pop along that weekend. Can't wait.

Missed it Gommsta, was called away to a meeting in Edinburgh and didnt get back till late that evening :( , hope to get in around the 24th too... i was told the museum wasn't fully opend and a lot of the streets were closed off on the preview days, looking forward to walking about the streets. :)

david_gla

June 16th, 2011, 01:46 AM

Went down to the new museum on a day off this week, was walking through Partick and thought I would take a detor and see if I could charm myself in, if you don't ask ye don't get etc. Nae chance! The women on the door was a bit scary, IT OPENS ON TUESDAY she bellowed! Aye ah know, take it there's nae chance a can hav a wee looks around?, Ma wee puppy dog eyes stretched to the full. NAW IT OPENS ON TUES! Aw well I had try! I had a wee look inside the front doors and what I saw looks pretty good, I was a bit sceptical about the outside of the building with the Zinc cladding but having walked around it it looks amazing. The Glenlee looks the part nestled to the side of the building too. Can't wait to see all of it, think it will be a huge new addition to Glasgow.

deBuitléir

June 16th, 2011, 01:19 PM

All going well I should get a chance to see inside tonight as I've been invited along to a preview. I'll let you know what I think and see if I can snap a few pics.

crusty_bint

June 16th, 2011, 11:07 PM

zaha's heels were fierce! not really, but the wind was.

pistachio. hm. i do enjoy nuts.

exciting...

by photjennic (http://www.flickr.com/photos/photojennic)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2651/5810773045_2b8c31cca4_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5267/5811339882_1b41fa6f68_b.jpg

Boards

June 17th, 2011, 12:18 AM

Your back!!! It's not been the same without you :banana:

The Boy David

June 17th, 2011, 11:25 AM

Crusty!

Nice pics. The landscaping's a tad on the grey side, though...

Anyway, good to have you back mate!

crusty_bint

June 17th, 2011, 12:39 PM

boardsy! my sex-less luvva... :banana:

davey! umm... davey! :D

deBuitléir

June 20th, 2011, 07:07 PM

Hi guys - sorry that it has taken me so long to update you. I went along to one of the pre-opening events last week. The place was still a mess and I seriously doubt that they will be ready for the official opening.

I thought that the inside appeared much smaller than we were lead to believe it to be - it might be the shape and the fact the museum's public space curves and flows rather than being one large open square space. However, I thought that a lot of the exhibits were crushed together with little room to move around them and appreciate the scale of some of the trams and locomotives. There seems to be fewer cars than before and although I may be wrong some of the old exhibits like the Trabant etc were missing. The street-scapes were not finished particualrly the later ones from the 1940s-1980s. The turn of the century streetscape in the flickr pics below is very good though.

I was not impressed by the pistachio green colouring of the walls and roof and think that it will date very very quickly. Reminded me on the colour you might find in a hospital ward of an old Victorian infirmary. The shop was smaller than I expected and seemed to be focused more on selling books on architecture than transport. The cafe is not properly integrated into the building and the cafe space was not pleasant to sit in, although certainly it is much better than the cafe in the old transport museum at the KelvinHall.

Overall, I was very underwhelmed - it's not easy to get to if you are walking - especially with children and for those of you planning to drive you will have to pay for the privilege of parking.

Maybe over time it will settle down, but I doubt this will become a classic building. I hope I am proved wrong.

The cladding is lovely though!

Anyway - here are my pictures Dr Dalriada Flickr Riverside Museum (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dalriada/sets/72157627006286302/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2657/5852964099_22faf894ea.jpg

Seaward

June 20th, 2011, 09:10 PM

£100m.... ? .....im not convinced

craig lindsay

June 20th, 2011, 09:26 PM

The Glasgow Transport Museum will open it’s doors to the public tomorrow.

The paint has dried, the workmen have moved out and tomorrow the new Riverside Museum will open its doors to the public.

Thousands of people are expected to want to be first in line to see Glasgow’s £74million transport museum, which stands majestically on the banks of the River Clyde.

Over the past few days, hundreds of people who believed the museum was already open have had to be turned away.

When told they would have to wait another few days one desperate visitor wailed: “I can’t wait that long.”

But the wait is now over and the last of the 3000 exhibits are finally in place

One of the most dramatic is the car Scottish motor racing star Colin McRae drove when he won the World Championship in 1995 and became Britain’s first World Rally Champion – and the youngest in the competition’s history.

The vehicle has been mounted on a single narrow column, looking as if it is soaring over a steep mound in the road.

A scale model of the car will be available for sale in the Riverside shop, which displays countless model cars from almost every decade.

The cheapest item for sale is 50p, with the most expensive a large model of the Queen Mary costing £285.

In the middle are items to suit transport fans of all ages and pockets, including white ship captain’s hats, silver jewellery based on the wave-like shape of the museum, and a wealth of transport books, including one on the history of Glasgow’s trams.

There are mugs, bags and vases carrying the Riverside logo and dozens of postcards depicting transport from a bygone era.

Screens at the north and south doors are now up and working so anyone who has donated to the £5m museum appeal can find the name of their loved one.

So far, more than 6000 names are recorded on the touch screen panel and people can continue to donate until the museum has its official opening later in the year.

A total of 60 touch screens are in place in every corner of the museum telling the stories behind the exhibits.

One of the most moving plays the voice of a passenger who was on board the Clyde-built Athenia liner in September 1939 when it was sunk by a German submarine, with the loss of 117 lives.

Since the Evening Times last visited, a hang-glider has been suspended from the ceiling and a corner of the building has been given over to motor bikes, which are displayed up the walls with dramatic back lighting.

A huge screen has been installed ready to show ship launches to visitors and a hi-tech rowing machine sits nearby that allows youngsters to have a race round an electronic track.

The menus in the cafe are ready for the first diners to enjoy a snack at tables overlooking the Tall Ship Glenlee, which is berthed outside.

And Robbie Coltrane is on hand to welcome the many thousands of people who will visit the attraction each year. It is his voice families will hear when they take the lift to the museum’s first floor.

On the upper floor they will be able to see ships fashioned from bone and human hair and made by Napoleonic prisoners of war.

The pontoon for the ferry that will take visitors from Govan to the museum is now finished and awaiting the first river crossing.

And grafitti artist Sam Bates has finished murals on the underpasses leading to the attraction.

Glasgow City Council leader Gordon Matheson said: “Our former transport museum was one of the best-loved and most visited parts of Glasgow’s civic collections, and I am certain its successor will be an even greater success.”

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk:80/features/editor-s-picks/new-transport-museum-is-raring-to-go-1.1107592

The Boy David

June 21st, 2011, 11:30 AM

Cheers for the pictures, deBuitléir. The interior colour scheme is really quite awful :(

Will reserve judgement until I'm back at Christmas to have a look, though.

craig lindsay

June 21st, 2011, 06:19 PM

The wait is finally over and today thousands of people are expected to flock to the new Riverside Museum as it opened its doors to the public.

Glasgow’s new £74million Riverside Museum was officially opened today in the style of a Clyde ship launch.

Glasgow City Council leader Gordon Matheson smashed a ceremonial bottle of champagne on the side of the building, which houses the city’s vast of transport and travel collection.

Mr Matherson said: "What a wonderful day. I’m thrilled to be able to hand over to you, the people of Glasgow, Glasgow City Council’s latest wonderful museum.

"The museum is about the riveting stories of Glaswegians, rather than stories about rivets."

It has been an amazing journey, watching the place take shape from original plans through all the construction phases culminating in today’s opening event.
Despite heavy rain, by the time the doors were flung open at 10am around 100 people had queued to get a first glimpse inside the attraction, which replaces the old transport museum in the Kelvin Hall.

Thousands more are expected later today.

First in the queue was Alasdair MacDonald, 44, and four-year-old son Sam.

Mr MacDonald, from Bridge of Weir, said: "We were regulars at the old museum and I wanted to see inside the new one. It looks fabulous.

"It’s light and airy and the recreated street is better than the old one – it’s good you can go inside the shops and there’s even a pub.

"My family will be back. I have to take lots of pictures for them."

Hundreds of pupils from Hillhead and St Constantine’s primaries and Hillhead High were also among the first to get a look at the 3000 exhibits and more than 150 interactive displays.

Alexander Ralston, 8, from Hyndland Primary, said: "It’s amazing. I love the wave on top of the roof."

Aislin Pritchard, 8, from Hillhead, said: "It’s better than the old museum. It’s brilliant."

Alastair McKenzie, 43, and children, Finn, 4 and one-year-old Ellie, from Bearsden, were also there.

Mr McKenzie said: ""It is even better than we thought it would be, and Finn’s a big fan of the fire engine."

Mr Matheson added: "The museum is a masterpiece and a breathtaking new home for our internationally renowned transport collection.

"The exhibits have been given a further lease of life thanks to stunning displays.

"They not only show off the trains, cars, trams and bikes but also tell the stories of the people who made them, bought them, used them and loved them.

"Having the Tall Ship berthed right outside adds even more incentive to take a visit to enjoy Glasgow’s transport treasures."

More than 1200 people have worked on the project since it got the go-ahead in 2002. Work at Pointhouse Quay began in 2007.

The main contractor, BAM, described the building of the massive 2500 tonnes steel roof, which does not have internal supporting columns, as the most challenging engineering feat in the UK today.

Riverside was designed by Zaha Hadid and is her first major public commission to open in the UK.

The museum has been funded by Glasgow City Council, the Heritage Lottery Fund and the Riverside Museum appeal. Like all of the city’s 10 civic museums, admission is free.

The attraction replaces Glasgow’s former Museum Of Transport, the second most visited transport museum in the UK with an average of 500,000 visitors a year. It is expected 800,000 people will visit the new attraction in its first year.

Scott Baird, 36, from Kilmarnock, is associate director of Buro Happold, one of the companies which worked on the building.

He said: I have had the privilege of working on big projects from Singapore to New York, but the first day I stepped on to the job helping to engineer the new Riverside Museum was a special moment.

"Our challenge was to help ensure the overall environment of the museum helps to deliver a world class attraction.

"It is essential the temperature, humidity and lighting in the building are perfectly balanced to help make it comfortable for the public but also to safeguard the exhibits.

"Sometimes you get caught up in the technical jargon of engineering, but the best part is seeing the public’s reaction when they first walk in – it makes all that hard graft worthwhile.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk:80/news/editor-s-picks/let-s-all-go-down-to-the-riverside-1.1107782

craig lindsay

June 22nd, 2011, 02:31 PM

Thousands of people turned out yesterday to get their first look inside Glasgow’s glittering new Riverside Museum.

More than 1000 passed through the doors in the first hour alone to see the city’s 3000-strong transport collection in its new home – and the overwhelming response was delight.

The £74m museum replaces the old Kelvinhall attraction, and the visitors who packed it out on the first day ranged from grandparents reliving memories of catching trams “to the dancing” to wide-eyed tots making new memories.

Glasgow City Council leader Gordon Matheson had smashed a bottle of champagne against the building to “launch” it in a tribute fitting to the area’s shipbuilding heritage.

He said: “I’m a proud Glaswegian with my own memories of the old museum, so to have the opportunity to open this collection of international significance, is a sheer joy.”

And he said the museum is not just about the objects on show, but also about the people who built, operated and used them.

“One man told me he used to work on the trams, another was an apprentice on the locomotive, and a woman said she used to get on the tram to go dancing.

“It’s all about the stories, and passing them on to future generations.”

Visitors can board two Subway cars, three trams, four locomotive footplates, a train carriage and a bus.

Marlene Robinson, 66, took her three grandchildren on board the 779 tram and said: “I’m not sure who’s enjoying it most, them or me.”

The largest vehicle on show is the South African Railways locomotive 3007, which weighs more than 150 tonnes, while the smallest is a Vanguard toy car weighing just under 3oz.

Visitors were impressed by the period street, where they can step inside the shops including a cafe, a bar, a garage, pawnshops, dress shops and a toy shop.

Volunteer guides also provide a personal touch. Bob James, 57, from Lennoxtown, once worked on the Leyland Firemaster engine he now tells visitors about.

And kids can have a go on interactive exhibits, such as winding up a fireman’s ladder, seeing who can deliver a telegram fastest or having a go at being a Subway driver.

Admission is free although parking costs £1 for three hours. However, the 100 bus from George Square and a ferry from Govan provide alternative transport.
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Tom and Margaret Damell Week, 66 and 65, retired, Quarriers:

“It is all so much more spacious and there is more room for all the items. It is a lot better in this space.”

Zoe Campbell, 10, West End:

“My dad worked on it and I like it. It’s better than the old one. It’s more modern and much bigger. My favourite thing is the street, and the trams you can go on.”

Joan Stevenson, 57, Govan:

“It’s better than the other one because you can go in the shops on the street.”
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Colin McLeod, 64, Melbourne, Australia:

“It’s terrific. We’re visiting Glasgow for two days and we are very happy it’s open today. I like to look at things in details and I’ve even looked under Colin McRae’s car.”

Nan Cowan, 84, Balornock: “It looks marvellous. It’s a big difference from Kelvinhall, though we enjoyed it all the same. I’m looking forward to going back to the olden days.”

Ian Pepper, 43, Glasgow:

“I think the previous museum was better structured. It’s too interactive, not everybody likes that, and there are a few displays from the old museum which are not in here. ”
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Elizabeth Brewer, 74, Bearsden:

“It definitely has the ‘wow’ factor. It’s amazing to go upstairs and look down.”

Jamie Connolly, 47, Bearsden:

“It’s excellent and well laid-out. It was a long time coming but it’s more hands-on than the other, more user-friendly. There’s too much to see in one day.”
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Barbara Stewart, 45, Uddingston:

“It’s really good. It is what I expected, although I did think it would be even bigger. There are so many people here. My son’s been desperate to come since the old one shut.”

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Kirsty Ramsay, 45, Glasgow Harbour:

“It’s absolutely spectacular. You can’t see it all in a day. It’s lovely and worth the wait. We’ll be back. We’re going to go to try the new Govan ferry.”

Kevin Ormod, 23, design student at Glasgow School of Art, Glasgow:

“It’s really really good and really fitting for the environment. It just blends in.”

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk:80/news/editor-s-picks/riverside-museum-your-verdict-1.1107948

bestbud

June 22nd, 2011, 03:05 PM

Took a trip to the museum this morning and I have to say I was massively impressed. They have kept the character of the old museum where you can get up close and touch many of the exhibits but have added many modern, fun and interactive displays. The green colour is nowhere near as overpowering as pictures would have you believe, I actually thought it looked very, very good. The external cladding is superb, the quality of workmanship is fantastic.

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The only downside I felt was the car parking. The car park is far to small for an out of town museum. It's particularly bizarre considering the amount of waste land surrounding the museum, which could even have been used as a temporary overflow. At 11:30 on a Tuesday morning the car park was full and was nose to tail with people looking for spaces. Traffic was tailed back right on to the main road causing lots of problems. What will it be like when the school holidays start next week......

Glasgow 2097

June 23rd, 2011, 01:34 PM

Rowan Moore recently reviewed the Riverside Museum in The Observer, and added his thoughts on the Clyde's overall regeneration. I can't comment on the former yet, but he'll have no argument from me on the latter.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2011/jun/12/zaha-hadid-glasgow-architecture-review

Riverside Museum of Transport and Travel, Glasgow – review
Zaha Hadid's fine transport museum would have been better still as part of a coherent Clyde regeneration plan
Rowan Moore, The Observer, Sunday 12 June 2011

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There is a zone of Glasgow so studded with culture and architecture, so richly fertilised with public investment, while also blessed by nature with the noble breadth of the Clyde, that it ought to be a wonder of the world. This zone, once full of shipyards, now contains the work of two Pritzker prize winners – Norman Foster and Zaha Hadid – and a probable Pritzker-winner-in-waiting, David Chipperfield.

Over the last 12 years, it has acquired a convention centre, two museums and the headquarters of BBC Scotland, a swoopy new bridge and a jaunty observation mast by the not-half-bad architect Richard Horden. But no one standing here could be exhilarated, moved or transformed by what they see. No one would say: "This is a nice place."

It is like an underplanned business estate, a landscape of things set in car parks, no matter what the architectural merit of each thing might be. In the gaps between the monuments and the car parks are inserted expedient slabs of commerce or the perfunctory ingratiation of exploitative blocks of flats. There is no coherence, no positive quality to the sum of the parts or to the combinations of one with another.

This is not to question the achievement of the Riverside Museum of Transport and Travel, designed by Zaha Hadid Architects, or the pleasure to be had from its wonderful models of battleships and liners, its trams, cars, motorcycles and its giant steam locomotive built in Glasgow for South African Railways and now returned to its native city.

It is one of Hadid's most direct buildings, essentially a big, column-free shed mutated in two ways. First, its roof line is a jagged range of peaks and troughs, like Alps or gables abstracted to a cartoon; second, the shed is bent twice in plan, so that it takes the form of Z-shaped tube, whose end cannot be seen from the beginning. The profile of the cartoon Alps/gables is extruded through the length of the Z, as if squeezed from a gothic tube of toothpaste. Its underside forms the pleated ceiling of the shed, with strong horizontal lines leading you through the space. There are big, glass walls at each end: one is the entrance, the other frames a view of the tall ship Glenlee, moored outside.

The space is obviously about movement, suggesting the dynamism of which all the once-mobile exhibits are now deprived. There is something of train tracks or tram wires in the overhead lines and of train sheds and hangars in the building as a whole. It is not, however, a piece of faux industry in the style of many hi-tech science or transport museums around the world; it does not waggle girders and stud itself with rivets in fatuous emulation of trains and ships.

The Hadid space, unified by a single hue of yellowish-green, is architecture, not equipment, a room, not a machine, in which a cheerful melee of objects can coexist.

It is a pleasingly old-fashioned museum, confident in the appeal of its exhibits, not interested in forcing narratives and fixed routes on them or burdening them with too much interpretation. It is like stumbling into the attic of the industrial revolution and finding a rich haul of old toys and tools. Hadid's space creates a sense of direction which, paradoxically, allows for diffuse displays through which visitors can meander. If the building were less purposeful, the whole experience would become confusion.

The museum is mostly about interior. Outside, it is, typologically, a supermarket, being a big thing in a car park seeking to attract you in. There are signs that tell you that this is a more serious piece of architecture than most supermarkets, such as its air of intent and the degree of care in shaping zinc panels around the complex external shape, but, like a retail shed, it does not give much to its surroundings. Great, grey and curving, it has enigma and majesty, but not friendliness. The landscaping that clings to its flanks currently looks forlorn, although may appear less so once the trees have grown a bit.

To be inward-looking might be necessary, given the wilderness in which the museum stands. At a distance is a huddle of credit-crunched flats, and between them and the museum some scrub awaiting transformation into a shopping development. In the other direction, across more empty space, are the Foster and Chipperfield buildings. All the emptiness is to be developed by the Peel Group, which recently featured on these pages as the builders of the BBC's new offices in Salford. It is possible that it will do a better job than was done around the Foster conference centre, but there is not yet concrete evidence that it will.

What can be seen here now are the successes and failures of the ever-popular idea of culturally led regeneration, the notion that exotic baubles can lead ex-shipyards to a glittering future. The successes are that the museum, conference centre and other institutions are all there and there are some architectural satisfactions to be had, should that be your thing. As the Peel Group is not idiotic, we can expect some profitable development to turn up one day. What is lacking is the sense that this is a place or much reason to expect that it will be.

The thinking and ambition manifest inside the building are not seen outside. Part of the answer is to do with commercial necessity, but this then raises the question whether culture is being asked to do too much. If a museum has to work so hard at kick-starting and pump-priming, and if it is supposed to unlock territories many times its own size, it will not succeed at all its tasks.

It would be better to say that museums are good things to have in their own right and that they can form the nucleus of new, beautiful, cohesive pieces of city. This is different from saying that they can transform the vast voids of the Clyde's bank. It is also different from the (not entirely proved) theory that they tow shopping centres in their wake, which I suspect happens mostly for reasons other than the proximity of a museum. If the passion for building singular things on the Clyde had been matched by some energy and thought in the way they went together, it would be a much finer place than it is now.

Gommsta

June 24th, 2011, 06:18 PM

Ok, so I got back to Glasgow this afternoon and went to visit the Riverside museum, straight from the airport.

In short, I loved it.

The building exterior looks fantastic, bit of a changeable day today so got to see it in the sun, periods of grey etc. Quality of the cladding was excellent and i love the windows.

The landscaping to the front was pretty unexciting but it does seem to be of decent quality. There were a couple of eateries outside, but a proper outdoor cafe/restaurant would be a real bonus.

I like the colour of the interior, it gives the place a light and airy feel, which is important on those grey Glasgow days! I struggle to think of an alternative colour that would work as well, maybe a light blue?

The items inside were excellent, lots to see, lots of interactive displays, interesting stories to read. The "streets" were packed out so i gave them a miss. The Glenlee was very well integrated with the museum, with the outdoor space between the two being particularly pleasant. Last thing, the windows while looking very nice from the outside have some awesome views from the inside. Go to the second floor and you get a real picture perfect view looking down the Clyde, brought a lump of pride to my throat.

Great museum, great city :)

Seaward

June 25th, 2011, 06:14 PM

Just got back from my first visit in fairness the building is very nice although i feel it trys to hard to be "flash"

Build quality is pretty good as well

The streets were superb

However as a museum the Kelvin Hall was better

Chris99

June 25th, 2011, 07:42 PM

Visited today for first time. Liked the exterior of the building, looks good quality. The Tall Ship looked great. However, inside the museum it feels like too much has been crammed in. Have to say I preferred the airiness of the old museum. My father said he would have liked a closer look at the cars on the wall. We both felt the moving ships idea didn't work, if a particular ship is of interest you have to push through the crowds in order to follow it along the conveyor belt. Liked the old street with the cobble stones and tram tracks.

cleverdic

June 25th, 2011, 08:53 PM

Along at Glasgow Harbour, I am absolutely thrilled to see many more people this weekend walking along linear park and along meadowside quay walk towards the museum. I'm hoping people will also take a wander after their visit if they are heading back to Partick Interchange. I've always said these open spaces could do with more activity.

There comes a big warning though. As residents, we've been used to the traffic wardens, who come down on their scooters, regularly ticketing cars not parked correctly. It is easy pickings for them. Because the museum car park is getting full quickly, I saw many more cars today parking on the pavements around GH. You will almost certainly get a ticket as I saw plenty of them being handed out today. A feast for the boys in yellow as I predict they will come down every day now for the forseeable future.

However, it isn't all good. I overhead a conversation from a new visitor along the waterfront which went something like this "Ach jeanie, whit a shame for all thae folk roon here. Ah can see there is a distinct lack o' soashul cohesion!" Must be avid readers of SSC methinks. :nuts:

Weegie38

June 25th, 2011, 11:57 PM

For the summer the Riverside will have an adjacent attraction for the kids - The Forgotten Island (http://www.theforgottenisland.com/). No idea what that's about.

Like the parking problems down there aren't bad enough...

Ahhhh

June 26th, 2011, 12:26 AM

Boards

June 26th, 2011, 12:48 AM

Because the museum car park is getting full quickly, I saw many more cars today parking on the pavements around GH.

How have they managed to make the car park too small when the building is sitting on a kilometre of wasteland?

Gommsta

June 26th, 2011, 11:53 AM

I initially thought the same regarding the car park, in reality its probably the same capacity as the car park at the Kelvingrove.

I think once the initial mad rush to see the museum subsides the car park will be adequate.

legslikeaspider

June 26th, 2011, 08:42 PM

Good tip, Cleverdic. I'll warn my mates - with all the space at both the GH development and at the musuem you really would think there would be better parking provision. Must be maddening for residents like yourself with all these idiots parking badly in inappropriate places.

Does anybody know when the wee ferry from Govan to the museum will start? That will be a bit of fun and possibly relieve some of the pressure on the museum car park.

M_Riaz

June 26th, 2011, 09:01 PM

Does anybody know when the wee ferry from Govan to the museum will start? That will be a bit of fun and possibly relieve some of the pressure on the museum car park.

Its open for service Legsy. :) BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-13856645)

Clyde Cruises (http://www.clydecruises.com/scheduled-services/govan.aspx)

Exciting New Service!
Our new route Govan – Riverside Museum will commence Tuesday 21st June

Our service is by far the easiest, greenest and most exciting way to visit this leading Glasgow attraction! What better way to visit this riverside landmark than by boat. Not only is it quick, comfortable and convenient but it really does add something extra to your visit.

Simply take the subway or make your way to the Govan Cross Subway Interchange station and board the MV Fencer at Water Roe for a comfortable ferry crossing directly to the newly relocated Riverside Museum.

Timetable
Our service will run 7 days a week, 360 days a year

•Monday - first service departs - 1000
•Tuesday - first service departs - 1000
•Wednesday - first service departs - 1000
•Thursday - first service departs - 1000
•Friday – first service departs – 1100
•Saturday – first service departs - 1000
•Sunday – first service departs - 1100
Services will run approximately every 20 minutes and the last departure from the Riverside Museum is 1705 each evening.

Tickets can be purchased onboard the vessel on the day of sailing. Please note that credit/debit cards are not accepted

maccoinnich

June 27th, 2011, 06:14 AM

A less than effusive review of the new museum by Hugh Pearman in the Sunday Times:

Zaha on Clyde: and the new wave of British regional museums.

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Any new building by Zaha Hadid, the best-known and most successful female architect in history, is an event. I even went to Cincinnati once to see her first big art gallery and believe me, Cincinnati does not have a lot else to recommend it. Last year she won the Stirling Prize for her seductively sinuous MAXXI gallery in Rome. In the UK, however, she hasn’t so far built that much. There is a school in south London, a Maggie’s cancer caring centre in Fife, and the forthcoming London 2012 Olympics aquatics centre. This makes her £74m Riverside Museum on the Clyde in Glasgow – her first cultural building here and the biggest of several regional museums opening right now - an interesting case.
Zaha, you see (Iraqi-born, London-based since her 1970s student days), is one of those starchitects who spent her youth designing extraordinary things that never got built – even when, as was the case with her abortive Cardiff Bay Opera House of the early 1990s, she won the competition to build it. When she finally started building for real, it was an important moment.

And then it became normal for Zaha to do real stuff around the world, such as her recently-completed opera house in Guangzhou, China. And so the reaction set in. She is not fashionable among the younger architectural cognoscenti who have turned against the funny-shaped ‘icon’ architecture of what is now the old guard, and prefer sober, rationalist, stuff, the duller the better. Her designs have evolved as you would expect, however. Once daringly jagged, they have become more rounded, swirlier. She and her design partner Patrik Schumacher adhere to an ideology of computer-generated form known as Parametricism, which I can’t begin to explain. Instead, let’s consider how all this shakes down into a transport museum in the postindustrial wasteland that is Clydeside, pepperpotted with other newish cultural buildings but with no sense of cohesion.

...continues here (http://www.hughpearman.com/2011/05.html).

Seaward

June 27th, 2011, 07:15 AM

Does anybody know when the wee ferry from Govan to the museum will start? That will be a bit of fun and possibly relieve some of the pressure on the museum car park.

Costs me £7.50 return at the weekend for my wife, my 2 year old son and I

Felt very expensive

crusty_bint

June 27th, 2011, 11:57 AM

A less than effusive review of the new museum by Hugh Pearman in the Sunday Times: here (http://www.hughpearman.com/2011/05.html).

But this pre-Crash cultural building on the Clyde, first designed in 2004, does have the whiff of another era about it.

ouch....:lol:

maccoinnich

June 28th, 2011, 06:54 AM

Just worked out how to get iplayer stateside.

ArtWorks Scotland marks the opening of Glasgow's new Riverside Museum by going behind the scenes to tell the story of its design, construction and fitting out.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b012cghw/ArtWorks_Scotland_Riverside_Moving_Stories/

Weegie38

June 29th, 2011, 05:32 PM

A less than effusive review of the new museum by Hugh Pearman in the Sunday Times:

...continues here (http://www.hughpearman.com/2011/05.html).
Have to say, regarding the contents I agree with him. Too cluttered, and there seems to have been no thought put into it at all.

After making such a fuss about Locomotive 3007, the way it's displayed is dire. Why on earth have they plonked a Hillman Imp (in a display stand) in front of it? Why have they scattered the trams and trains, instead of keeping them together? It would be far better to lose about 10% of what was on display, if it made the displays more cohesive.

The bit at the Glenlee end looks like Union Street at rush hour, and is about as pleasant to walk through. Disappointed.

craig lindsay

June 29th, 2011, 06:52 PM

Tens of thousands of people have flocked to Glasgow’s new Riverside Museum during its opening week.

More than 63,000 visitors have passed through the doors of the £74million Museum of Transport and Travel.

The museum, which took four years to build, pulled in 7000 visitors on its first day last Tuesday.

Its busiest day so far was Saturday when more than 15,000 people descended on the attraction next to the Clyde.

The Riverside showcases the city’s extensive transport collection and houses more than 3000 exhibits – twice the number in the former Transport Museum – in more than 150 interactive displays.

This includes steam locomotives, a wall of cars, a cycling track that holds dozens of bikes frozen in mid-air and a recreation of a city street –complete with a Subway station – during the 1900s.

It also tells the story of the people behind the term “Clyde Built”, which earned the area a reputation for good quality work.

The striking building was designed by architect Zaha Hadid who was given a private tour of the museum earlier this month.

The Riverside is her first major public commission to open in the UK.

The attraction replaces Glasgow’s former Museum Of Transport, the second most visited transport museum in the UK with an average of 500,000 visitors a year. It is hoped 800,000 people will visit the Riverside in its first year.

It was funded by Glasgow City Council, the Heritage Lottery Fund and the Riverside Museum appeal and, like all of the city’s 10 civic museums, admission is free.

Glasgow City Council leader Gordon Matheson said the city’s latest attraction “is already a hit”.

He added: “The Riverside Museum is already proving to be enormously popular with visitors coming to see the new exhibits that feature so many of the old favourites from the Museum of Transport. We were expecting the museum to be busy but the response so far has surprised and delighted everyone.”

The museum’s opening has also had a positive knock-on effect for the Tall Ship which is berthed next to it.

Frank Brown, chairman of the Clyde Maritime Centre, which operates the Tall Ship and Kelvin Harbour Ltd, said: “We have been exceptionally busy at the Tall Ship since opening at Riverside.

“We are gearing up for one of our busiest summers ever.”

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk:80/news/editor-s-picks/63-000-make-new-transport-museum-a-hit-in-first-week-1.1109109

legslikeaspider

June 30th, 2011, 11:08 AM

Have to say, regarding the contents I agree with him. Too cluttered, and there seems to have been no thought put into it at all.

After making such a fuss about Locomotive 3007, the way it's displayed is dire. Why on earth have they plonked a Hillman Imp (in a display stand) in front of it? Why have they scattered the trams and trains, instead of keeping them together? It would be far better to lose about 10% of what was on display, if it made the displays more cohesive.

The bit at the Glenlee end looks like Union Street at rush hour, and is about as pleasant to walk through. Disappointed.

I've not been in yet, but I wonder if a lot of the lukewarm reviews and complaints of the museum being cluttered are the result of the insane visitor numbers they are having (see Craig Lindsay's post)? My pal went with his kid on Saturday and said you couldn't get close to some of the exhibits because there were so many people in the way, it was like being at a football match.

david_gla

July 2nd, 2011, 07:52 PM

Took some pics on my iphone yesterday. For what it's worth I love it. Now if GCC could just keep it maintained properly then I'll be happy.

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indiekid

July 2nd, 2011, 08:39 PM

Nice pics. Got to admit I loved it too. The pistachio green colour scheme actually works really well. If only it didn't feel so woefully isolated.

Pious Fraud

July 18th, 2011, 06:12 PM

Glasgow's Riverside Museum in a 'third river' says architect
BBC News 18th July 2011

The internationally renowned architect Zaha Hadid has completed her first major building in Britain - the Riverside Museum on Glasgow's Clydeside.

It is on the site of an old shipyard and its steel structure is designed to reflect the history of the city's shipbuilding industry.

Nahed Abouzeid from BBC Arabic Television met Zaha Hadid at the transport museum for a guided tour of her work.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14188668

Weegie38

July 19th, 2011, 08:32 AM

bestbud

July 19th, 2011, 10:54 AM

Dugald Cameron, a former director of the School of Art, has criticised the exhibits. IMO he's talking a fair amount of sense.

Riverside Museum accused of going off the rails (http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/transport-museum-accused-of-going-off-the-rails-1.1112521)

The purpose of the museum isn't to entertain fuddy old art critics. It is intended to entertain families and kids. And it serves that purpose fairly effectively.

He's analysing it against a totally irrelevnat criteria. It's not often I agree with Glasgow City Council but this quote sums it up quite nicely.

But Glasgow Life, which runs Riverside of behalf of Glasgow City Council, said his claim reflected a “snobbish desire to reserve the collection for people who think themselves experts”.

You've also got to wonder what purpose his criticism is intended to serve. It looks more like a bit of self publicity rather than anything constructive.

Due East

July 19th, 2011, 11:11 AM

The purpose of the museum isn't to entertain fuddy old art critics. It is intended to entertain families and kids. And it serves that purpose fairly effectively.

He's analysing it against a totally irrelevnat criteria. It's not often I agree with Glasgow City Council but this quote sums it up quite nicely.

You've also got to wonder what purpose his criticism is intended to serve. It looks more like a bit of self publicity rather than anything constructive.

Couldn't agree more with you. Its always been the people's museum.

If the kids enjoy it as much as I enjoyed the old transport museum at Kelvingrove then its doing its job.

Art critics really leave me speechless sometimes.

legslikeaspider

July 19th, 2011, 11:49 AM

I don't think there's much value in saying there are too many exhibits at this early stage. I understand its still heaving in there every day and the amount of people in the way seriously restricts space and compromises the view of and access to the exhibits. When it quietens down a bit at the end of the summer I think a more reasoned judgement can be made about the quality of the exhibition space. Further, I'm sure the curators will have some sort of initial evaluation period in mind. I remember the Gallery of Modern Art was re-jigged after initial criticisms (probably internal criticism as well as from the press) and seemed to improve a bit afterwards.

Weegie38

July 19th, 2011, 12:07 PM

Couldn't agree more with you. Its always been the people's museum.

If the kids enjoy it as much as I enjoyed the old transport museum at Kelvingrove then its doing its job.

Art critics really leave me speechless sometimes.
Kelvingrove? That's 4 places the museum's been then... ;)

Glasgow Council's defense looks like their usual inverted snobbery. As is a remark like "people's museum", by the way: last I looked, Glasgow's already got a brilliant people's museum. And funnily enough, ISTR the main criticism of the People's Palace, prior to its 1990s renovation, was that it was too cluttered...

I didn't realise it was "snobbish" to say the Riverside is too full. Are the "no criticism allowed" signs going up now? Fact is, more people than Cameron are unhappy - I was looking at the tourist review sites to get a general feel for how people are viewing the museum now. On Tripadvisor (http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g186534-d214166-r115441527-Museum_of_Transport-Glasgow_Scotland.html#REVIEWS) , of the 17 reviews since reopening at Riverside, there's only about 5 positive, and an alarming number of 1 out of 5s. Even allowing for the moaning gits factor of Tripadvisor, that's not good.

G1p

July 19th, 2011, 12:40 PM

Having looked forward to the new museum, I was impressed by the building and its setting alongside the Glenlee. We visited on a sunny day and it was good to see a busy ferry and plenty of activity alongside the river.

Inside, we were a bit disappointed to see so many exhibits that we would have liked to see up close suspended high above us, and it seemed much smaller inside than out. The Springburn-made train, that looked so good on its own when it was displayed in George Square a few years ago, was difficult to take in with so many exhibits surrounding it.

On the other hand, the reconstructed street was a great improvement on the previous example at the Kelvin Hall.

I accept that it will take time for the museum to bed in. Hopefully the powers-that-be will listen to observations and adjust as they see fit.

Due East

July 19th, 2011, 02:23 PM

Kelvingrove? That's 4 places the museum's been then... ;)

Glasgow Council's defense looks like their usual inverted snobbery. As is a remark like "people's museum", by the way: last I looked, Glasgow's already got a brilliant people's museum. And funnily enough, ISTR the main criticism of the People's Palace, prior to its 1990s renovation, was that it was too cluttered...

I didn't realise it was "snobbish" to say the Riverside is too full. Are the "no criticism allowed" signs going up now? Fact is, more people than Cameron are unhappy - I was looking at the tourist review sites to get a general feel for how people are viewing the museum now. On Tripadvisor (http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g186534-d214166-r115441527-Museum_of_Transport-Glasgow_Scotland.html#REVIEWS) , of the 17 reviews since reopening at Riverside, there's only about 4 positive, and an alarming number of 1 out of 5s. Even allowing for the moaning gits factor of Tripadvisor, that's not good.

I don't normally like using cliches like 'the peoples museum', but I think it is apt for somewhere like Glasgow, and especially for something like the transport museum. Considering it was the citizens of Glasgow that contributed to much of the history of transportation, it is, in many ways the ultimate peoples museum. The further away from the stuffiness of some other museums in the UK, the better.

Of course it is valid to criticise the new museum - all I am saying is that art critics or 'experts' are amongst the most pretentious and out of touch of all critics (read the reviewers in the Sunday Times for example). I'd rather know what a 5 year old kid thinks of it. I also, think if they reduced the number of exhibits, people would complain equally that there wasn't enough to see.

In any case, as G1p says, it will probably take time to bed in and adjust to a more settled level of visitors. Inevitably it will need some tweaking to get things right.

As for trip advisor...don't even get me started. The people that tend to write reviews on that site give Victor Meldrew a run for his money. If I had gone by reviews on there, I would have avoided many perfectly good hotels over the past year to my loss.

Weegie38

July 19th, 2011, 04:56 PM

The Springburn-made train, that looked so good on its own when it was displayed in George Square a few years ago, was difficult to take in with so many exhibits surrounding it.
Assuming you're referring to 3007, she was built at Queen's Park Works, Polmadie - not Springburn.

As a southsider I feel duty-bound to point that out. :D

craig lindsay

July 28th, 2011, 02:12 PM

Glasgow’s new Riverside Museum is to host a celebration of Scottish seafood next month.

Some of Scotland’s top chefs and leading names in the restaurant business will be at the museum on August 6 and 7 for the first-ever Riverside Seafood Festival.

The free event promises to be a showcase of the very best Scottish seafood and culture, on the banks of the River Clyde.

Chairman of Glasgow Life, George Redmond, said: “The seafood festival brings together two of the nation’s great loves – the Riverside Museum and good food – for what will be a fantastic weekend.

“There can be no better setting anywhere in the world to enjoy the very finest Scottish seafood than at our iconic new museum.

“With an exciting programme including demonstrations from some of Scotland’s top chefs and a market selling the best Scottish produce, it promises to be hugely popular.”

Among the interactive events over the weekend will be the Scottish Oyster Shucking Championships, with seafood fiends racing against the clock to see who can open the most shells.

The event will run from 10am to 8pm on Saturday and 11am to 8pm on Sunday with museum opening times the same.

A host of top chefs including Jacqueline O’Donnell, from The Sisters, and Joe Queen, of Glasgow Hilton, will be giving free demos throughout the weekend.

Chefs from the Healthier Scotland ‘Focus on Food’ Cooking Bus will be offering hands-on lessons to help visitors prepare and cook an array of seafood dishes.

The festival will also have a market selling quality Scottish produce, including smoked and fresh salmon oysters, the freshest scallops from Oban and a seafood BBQ run by MacCallums of Troon.

Seafood information and interactive displays will also be featured.

On the Sunday, leading chefs will go head to head with amateurs in a bid to be crowned the best oyster shucker in Scotland, with the chance to win a trip and potentially a place in the World Oyster Opening Championships in Gal- way.

As well as celebrating the very finest seafood, Badaboom Bars are presenting the Scottish Gin, Whisky and Ale Bar, which will stock famous Scottish brands including Carroun Gin, Bowmore Whisky and BrewDog beers.

There will also be live jazz, traditional and contemporary Scottish music.

The festival is being organised by Glasgow Life in partnership with Seafood Scotland, Glasgow City Marketing Bureau and Scotland Food and Drink.

Clare Dixon, of Seafood Scotland, said: “This new event looks set to be a very busy and exciting weekend and really does offer something for all the family.

“It’s a fantastic opportunity for people to sample the wide variety of seafood that is caught in our very own waters.

“We hope that visitors will go home excited about fish and shellfish, and wanting to cook more for themselves.”

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk:80/news/riverside-museum-to-play-host-to-new-seafood-festival-1.1114451

Sweet Zombie Jesus

July 28th, 2011, 04:10 PM

looks good, shame there aren't any actual restaraunts or cafes around the museum. :weird:

maccoinnich

July 29th, 2011, 04:19 AM

Chairman of Glasgow Life, George Redmond, said: “The seafood festival brings together two of the nation’s great loves – the Riverside Museum and good food – for what will be a fantastic weekend.

Bit premature. Haven't the nation and the Riverside Museum only been dating a few weeks?

R.K.Teck

July 29th, 2011, 05:25 AM

I saw the building and it looks really nice, certainly looks to have better finish to it than the Clyde Auditorium does - which says a lot about the quality of the zinc? cladding of the Riverside museum.

I've yet to see the display inside, but should be visiting within the next couple of weeks.

My only disappointment - based on what freinds have told me - would be the lack of racing cars on display, given Scotland's rich motorsport heritage.

F1:
Jimmy Clark, double world champion for Lotus in the 1960s, fastest man of his generation, and tragically killed while racing in Germany.
Jackie Stewart: 3 times world championship winner, 1 for Matra and 2 for Tyrell, he also owned his own F1 team in the early 2000s - Stewart Racing, and currently has a position at Williams F1.
David Coulthard: 13 times race winner, 1 time championship runner up, and drove for 3 teams which have dominantly won world championships over the years: Mclaren, Williams and RedBull Racing. He currently works for RedBull in a PR position, so surely could negotiate a move to get a RedBull F1 car brought into Glasgow's museum.

Le Mans 24 Hr.
Johnnie Dumfries drove one of the most famous LeMan cars to victory back in the 80s, the Jaguar XJR Silk Cut car was dominant in that decade.
Eccuri Ecosse - or Team Scotland took overall victory twice in Leman, beating Ferrari and Ford back in the 60s, it was a case of David beating golliath... Twice.

Indycar:
Dario Franchitti, an Edinburgh man, has won three Indycar titles over the last 5 years, and is steadily rising the most wins table in the American race series. He also raced a season of NASCAR, and it would be pretty cool if one of his cars could be put in the new museum - an American race car would be quite unique.

That list shows just how successful Scotland is and has been on a global scale in motorsport, it's a shame that it's not represented in a museum all about vehicles.

So I guess to have no architectual complaints on what is primarily an architecture forum, means the Riverside museum is a great addition to the Clyde front.

Gommsta

September 21st, 2011, 08:11 AM

Anyone think the riverside museum, perhaps at some point in the future, should concentrate solely on the shipbuilding side of things? I.e dedicate the whole museum to seafaring activities/construction etc. Maybe they should of done this from the outset?

Then perhaps a new museum could be constructed in springburn dedicated to trains. Restore the burgh halls there. Helps with regeneration of the area.

Finally for road/cycle/other, another museum? position for this?

I realise this means 3 buildings, associated construction costs, running costs etc but putting cost aside for the moment, is that perhaps fragmenting things too much?

What you guys think?

morphology

September 21st, 2011, 10:34 AM

Monkey9000

September 21st, 2011, 10:38 AM

What about Clyde Built at Braehead, never actually been, but is that not all about shipbuilding on the Clyde?

sds

September 21st, 2011, 11:54 AM

What about Clyde Built at Braehead, never actually been, but is that not all about shipbuilding on the Clyde?
Wait, I thought Clydebuilt at Braehead closed its doors, but the website for it is still alive. Did it receive a last-minute reprieve after all the new articles on it shutting down from a lack of funding?

If it's still open, then there's surely a lot of scope for making the existence of both a bigger deal, especially with the ferry already linking the two sites. Just a little bit of coordination between the museums ought to make for a great combination.

Gommsta

September 23rd, 2011, 10:21 AM

Wait, I thought Clydebuilt at Braehead closed its doors, but the website for it is still alive. Did it receive a last-minute reprieve after all the new articles on it shutting down from a lack of funding?

If it's still open, then there's surely a lot of scope for making the existence of both a bigger deal, especially with the ferry already linking the two sites. Just a little bit of coordination between the museums ought to make for a great combination.

I thought it had closed too! Well if we think that, what chance do visitors have? lol

Much more needs to be made of this link between the two museums. What a nice experience it would be visiting the transport museum, then taking the boat down the Clyde to Clydebuilt. This should be marketed properly. It's a real tourist activity!

Incidentally, has anyone been in Clydebuilt Braehead? Thoughts?

sds

September 23rd, 2011, 03:31 PM

I thought it had closed too! Well if we think that, what chance do visitors have? lol

Much more needs to be made of this link between the two museums. What a nice experience it would be visiting the transport museum, then taking the boat down the Clyde to Clydebuilt. This should be marketed properly. It's a real tourist activity!

Incidentally, has anyone been in Clydebuilt Braehead? Thoughts?
If it's still open, I'm going! (Albeit, in November; no time to spare before then.)

sds

September 23rd, 2011, 04:29 PM

If it's still open, I'm going! (Albeit, in November; no time to spare before then.)
Damn. The official word, via email, from the Scottish Maritime Museum is:
Unfortunately Clydebuilt closed last year.

They're a terse lot, it has to be said.

drjimmy

September 23rd, 2011, 09:50 PM

Danny Macaskill on display on Saturday 24th http://www.glasgowlife.org.uk/museums/our-museums/riverside-museum/what%27s-on/riverside-extreme-danny-macaskill/Pages/default.aspx

craig lindsay

October 19th, 2011, 02:09 PM

PARKING at Glasgow’s Riverside Museum has been described as a “nightmare” by a transport boss.

Since it opened in June, the stunning building on the banks of the Clyde has attracted an average of 7000 visitors a day.

Museum bosses admit they are astonished at the numbers but the downside is that the car park has, on occasions, been unable to cope.

Archie Graham, Glasgow City Council’s executive member for the Commonwealth Games, highlighted the problem at a meeting of Strathclyde Partnership for Transport.

He said: “All the museum stakeholders agree access to the museum is really challenging.

“The number of people who have come to see the museum is absolutely astonishing.

“There have been occasions the police have closed the road leading to the car park because it has been absolutely impossible to accommodate the number of cars.”

Mr Graham said work has to be done to persuade drivers to use public transport.

SPT chairman Jonathan Findlay added: “I understand parking is a complete nightmare sometimes and there are queues out the access road.”

The city council, which owns Riverside, insisted the museum has been a victim of its own success.

A spokesman said: “Since it opened, attendance at the Riverside Museum has surpassed all our expectations.

“The car park has 100 more spaces than the car park at Kelvingrove and if the car park is full there are electronic signs on the Clydeside Expressway advising motorists of nearby alternatives, including overflow car parking at the Kelvin Hall.

“However, there have been a number of challenges, most notably in terms of access to the site.”

Glasgow Life, which runs the museum, is reviewing pedestrian and vehicle access with roads bosses, City Parking, which runs the car park, the Clyde Maritime Trust and the police to see if improvements can be put in place.

The criticism over parking comes as it was revealed the Govan Ferry, which sails to Riverside, may be shelved during winter.

The service is run by Clyde Clippers which is owned by Clyde Marine Services. A spokesman said: “The ferry is not a subsidised service which is part of the problem. We do want to see it work and we hope to be back next year.

“We have got a really good reaction to the ferry and the people of Govan have been supportive.”

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/new-museum-can-be-car-nightmare-1.1130052

R.K.Teck

October 19th, 2011, 06:59 PM

I went for the first time today! Lovely building, quality cladding and interior - and some great views up the Clyde.

Loved the street and the World Rally Championship winning Colin McCrae car. Shame there are no F1 cars reflecting Scotland's presence over the years in F1, or even an Indy Car given how dominant Dario Franchitti is at the moment - 4 World Titles.

And finally - I went by foot but live 20 minuteds away so it was no trouble, I met people who got the Kelvinhall Subway and walked the rest - so it's not our fault if the carpark is overflowing! :P It is hard for people to take public transport to it though if they don't know much about Glasgow and how to roughly get there - it is easy just to use the Expressway and slip off I would imagine, rather than getting trains into Glasgow, Subways to the West End and then having to walk the last 500 metres!

Clyde-Tram-Bus-Fastlink will sort this though as there is a direct link with City Centre-SECC-Museum on the north side of the river to open up the wasteland between SECC and Museum to redevelopment right?

Hendycfc

October 19th, 2011, 07:38 PM

Bingo Bango

October 20th, 2011, 12:45 PM

they could take the museum bus service straight to the riverside....

Pious Fraud

December 1st, 2011, 04:38 PM

New £74m Riverside Museum attracts one million visitors
BBC News 1st December 2011

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57068000/jpg/_57068110_012183269-1.jpg

Glasgow's new Riverside Museum has welcomed its one millionth visitor since it opened on 21 June.

The £74m building houses more than 3,000 exhibits in over 150 interactive displays, showing the city's transport, shipbuilding and engineering heritage.

The venue, which sits on the banks of the River Clyde where the Tall Ship Glenlee is berthed, had its busiest day on 25 June when 15,000 people visited.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-15991127

Mr. B

December 23rd, 2011, 09:27 PM

Interesting

Title: Provision of Transport Themed Outdoor Funfair for Riverside Museum

Published by: Glasgow City Council

Publication Date: 23/12/2011

Application Deadline:

Deadline Date: 04/01/2012

Deadline Time: 12:00

Notice Type: Contract Notice

Has Documents: No

Abstract: Provision of Transport Themed Outdoor Funfair and Childrens's Attraction for The Riverside Museum

http://www.publiccontractsscotland.gov.uk/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=DEC105416

Boards

December 23rd, 2011, 11:32 PM

It's that guy fae Sauchiehall Street.

M_Riaz

December 23rd, 2011, 11:55 PM

There was talk of a mini railway running through and around the building at one time, could be something to do with that, there are a few novelty items that haven't been concluded from the original proposals...like the Cranston Tearooms were supposed to reinstated within the Streets as a live building serving the public as a tearoom.

I'ts sad to hear that after spending all that money i've heard a lot of people not warming to the new building.

Mr. B

December 24th, 2011, 12:12 AM

It's that guy fae Sauchiehall Street.

:lol: With GCC you never know, it'll probably be that wee Carousel, with motorbikes instead of horses though ;)

There was talk of a mini railway running through and around the building at one time, could be something to do with that, there are a few novelty items that haven't been concluded from the original proposals...like the Cranston Tearooms were supposed to reinstated within the Streets as a live building serving the public as a tearoom.

I'ts sad to hear that after spending all that money i've heard a lot of people not warming to the new building.

A mini railway would be pretty cool!

I've heard a lot about people not being satisfied with the new museum, and in particular with the Car wall, due to the cars being so high up and therefore the visitors are unable to get a good look at them, unlike in the Kelvin Hall...

Hendycfc

December 24th, 2011, 01:58 AM

I personally like the building. I really need to visit it again though as i only have once when it had recently opened and was mobbed.

bestbud

December 24th, 2011, 02:25 AM

I'ts sad to hear that after spending all that money i've heard a lot of people not warming to the new building.

I've heard a lot about people not being satisfied with the new museum, and in particular with the Car wall, due to the cars being so high up and therefore the visitors are unable to get a good look at them, unlike in the Kelvin Hall...

I dare say that this was always going to happen. IMO It isn't so much of a physical problem, but one of perception and expectation. With the phenominal media attention over the last 5 years, the fundraising appeals, the world leading architect appointment and most importantly the £80M price tag, peoples expectations were overly inflated. The majority of Joe Public wouldn't be able to comprehend spending £80M. To most people this sounds like a extraordinary amount of money, at the level where "money is no object". In reality, this project required significant value engineering and the output, IMO, has on the whole (of course there are some flaws), met it's objectives.

And, of course, in true Scottish style, people will always find something to moan about.

sds

December 24th, 2011, 02:37 AM

I've heard a lot about people not being satisfied with the new museum, and in particular with the Car wall, due to the cars being so high up and therefore the visitors are unable to get a good look at them, unlike in the Kelvin Hall...
My particular gripe is the apparent lack of organisation. They state there are 150 "installations" or somesuch, but they're all mashed together with no delineation, so it's just a mish-mash of stuff. If you want to go in and see, for example, all the trams, you have to go hunting for them. Also, the ships are all over the place, and the moving display with the ships going round and round is pretty dire. If there's coherence in the layout then they've made no effort to explain it to the audience

My other problem with the building is that it's been constructed with very little upper-floor space. There's a lot of dead vertical space that they've tried to fill with the car wall and the velodrome on the ceiling, but to me if the first floor covered much of the same horizontal area as the ground floor did then there'd be much more space to build coherent collections. Currently, it feels like they've deployed gimmicks like the car wall to make the building feel less like an empty shed.

sds

December 24th, 2011, 02:41 AM

I dare say that this was always going to happen. IMO It isn't so much of a physical problem, but one of perception and expectation.
I find the current organisation annoying because my own particular mild brand of obsessive compulsiveness means that I like to know that I've seen everything of one thing. That's easiest when things are bunched together as they were previously.

When it's my turn as benevolent dictator, I will compartmentalise the hell out of the transport collection.

Gommsta

December 25th, 2011, 02:30 AM

Squirrelking

December 25th, 2011, 08:54 PM

I would make the riverside museum purely water related. I.e shipbuilding etc.

Create a new rail museum in springburn.

Cars/everything else in the east end/south side?

3 lots of cost i know, i just think the current museum is a bit too much of a compromise and doesnt end up doing any one thing particularly well. Just my opinion :)

1) We have the Scottish Maritime Museum. That notwithstanding with the Clydes heritage you could have a purely Glasgow/ Clydebank dedicated museum based within a drydock and a couple of wet docks?

2) Railway museum at Springburn would be ideal. Raze St Rollox (Tesco, Costco, Lidl) and build a full working yard (like Dalmellington) with room for moving stock. Get a Glasgow based project build like the Pepperpot Express on the go and you could be onto a winner.

3)If you were going to build a Scottish motor museum then surely Linwood is the proper place for it?

I agree the jack of all trades thing does not work and with a decent catalogue (not necessarily all owned) and the right funding you could split the whole collection into three and make three awesome museums. Not gonna happen though but nice to wish...

djmaxliving

March 27th, 2012, 10:17 PM

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Hendycfc

March 28th, 2012, 12:21 AM

Now that it looks like it has calmed down quite a bit I'd better give it another visit considering the last time i went was on the first week of opening

Gommsta

March 28th, 2012, 12:37 AM

I was thinking the same. I've tried three times now and it's been absolutely packed out, will try again in May.

Squirrelking

March 30th, 2012, 07:04 PM

That wall though... :(

M_Riaz

March 30th, 2012, 07:32 PM

I'll give it another go soon, was not impressed at all the last time i was in when it 1st opend, felt worst than being at a tesco checkout on a saturday afternoon... sorry for the pessimism, i think i need to give it another try to re-assess and start to like it ( if i can ! ) as we're stuck with it for many decades to come, what puts me off further is the parking charges they have imposed to public...and and and the classic cars thrown up on that wall :rant: please suply us with a super boingy pogo stick to reach up there to view them or Zebedi Springs :rant:.

why couldn't we have had a nice flat grounded museum like the Volkswagon has in Wolfsberg.

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Rab2k

March 30th, 2012, 08:41 PM

I have to agree with the general mood.

I've been three times now - twice mobbed and once with a more manageable number of visitors. It just strikes me as a very odd way to display the collection.
I coundn't say I enjoyed it all that much. No real rush to go back.

The building, materials, finish etc. are wonderful but the layout is not appealing Is it to make it child friendly? Educational? The Kelvingrove museum has the same problem for me. Cluttered and following some imposed (childish) juxtaposition of related objects.

I miss having a close look at the ship models. The cars stacked on the wall would be great for a retail environment but not for anyone who wants to see the feckin' cars.

djmaxliving

March 30th, 2012, 08:48 PM

The building itself is a cracker but when you see the walls and roof inside why did they not stick with white.

The hole place is over crowded they could honestly do with a second building at the back where the current car park is to store some of the collection. The good thing is I went when it was quite and even then I did feel very confined. On a plus note I did like the fact the building is broke up so you didn't see everything at once and also the high ceilings.

milton

March 31st, 2012, 11:09 AM

M_Riaz

April 5th, 2012, 07:55 PM

Herald (http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/architecture-awards-snub-for-the-riverside-museum.17224445)

Architecture awards snub for the Riverside Museum

HAH !! Thats what you get when you dont listen to the people who will be using the building for many decades,i'm not surprised to say the least at this latest revelation.

The museum's architect, Zaha Hadid, who is considered one of the world's most high-profile architects or "starchitects", is disappointed that the four-strong judging panel did not include her building on the 23-strong shortlist

legslikeaspider

April 6th, 2012, 12:10 AM

I'm not surprised the riverside has missed out. Overall, I think I would give it a 3 out of 5. Its not as terrible as the worst reviews have made out because the pieces in the collection could be housed in any shoddy old warehouse (which indeed they were) and still be considered a strong collection but nor is it anything as good as the hype that surrounded it prior to its launch. I think we all saw it coming on here when the value engineered cladding became apparent and the internal plans came to light about how the pieces would be displayed.

I really like the shapes of the museum especially the bold, jaggedy cross section apparent in the two enormous picture windows. I like the roof which is just as interesting when viewed from the inside. I like the colourscheme inside too and some sections of the museum are tremendous. The street is great and I really like both the mocked up subway stations. I can see what they were trying to achieve with the display of the cars and the bikes but they don't quite work, especially for children. I don't like that you can't get in to all of the trams, buses and locos anymore but I do like how they have juxtaposed various forms of transport with one another e.g. a primitive canoe right next to the mighty South African locomotive, which is the undoubted star of the show. I feel such awe and, yes, a wee bit of pride when I stand admiring it: its like a great, black dinosaur. However, at the same time as enjoying looking at it, one feels a bit of regret that its not allowed more pride of place: there are so many objects nearby that its hard to get an angle to take it all in. I would have liked it if they had left it in George Square. Also, I find the spatial layout disorienting: its very easy to lose your companions and its not just because many of the objects are so big: its quite easy to lose your bearings and find yourself at completely the wrong end of the museum. The upstairs bit is also difficult to access to the point of being a secret. I went with my mum and she was amazed to discover that there was another (half) floor because there was no signage and no clear route.

So, all things considered, the museum succeeds (just) in spite of the building not because of the building. I hope I don't sound parochial when I say that an architect with superior knowledge and appreciation of Glasgow's history and culture would have done a much better job on the budget that Zaha was given. However, I don't think the blame can be entirely laid at her door because I'd be pretty confident that local people would have been involved in the design of the interior and the layout of the objects and it strikes me that most of the complaints, including my own, are less about the form of the building than its functionality.

M_Riaz

April 27th, 2012, 02:00 AM

Glasgow Life (http://events.glasgowlife.org.uk/event/1/bloodhound-project-see-the-ultimate-racing-car-at-riverside-museum)

Date Occurs every day from 26th April 2012 until 29th April 2012

Time See venue opening hours
Age range All ages
Admission Free

A 44ft jet and rocket powered car which will be involved in a 1000mph world land speed record attempt is visiting Riverside Museum for three days in April.

The jet and rocket powered car has the equivalent power to 180 F1 cars, is currently in the build phase and will be completed by year end ready for UK runway testing (up to 200 mph) Q2 2013. If all goes to plan, the car then heads to South Africa to start high speed testing on the Hakskeen Pan, Northern Cape where it is expected to reach 800 mph. The team will try for 1,000 mph in 2014.

On the 26, 27 and 28 April, the show car will be on display outside Riverside Museums along with the Bloodhound Driving Experience, where people can try their hand at driving 14 times the speed limit

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R.K.Teck

April 27th, 2012, 04:19 AM

Cool! It's brilliant that they've managed to bring it along to the museum for a weekend, if I get the chance I'll be off to see it later on today or on Sunday.
EDIT: Today it will be, it's not there on Sunday.

The wheels were made by a Glasgow company you know! ;)

maccoinnich

May 9th, 2012, 07:36 AM

Zaha Hadid’s Riverside Museum Wins European Museum Academy Micheletti Award 2012

The Zaha Hadid Architects-designed Riverside Museum in Glasgow, Scotland has been named the most innovative museum in the fields of technology, labor and social history by the European Museum Academy. Riverside competed against museums in 12 other European countries to win the 17th annual Micheletti Award.

http://www.bustler.net/images/news2/riverside_museum_micheletti_award_2012_01.jpg

...continues at Bustler (http://www.bustler.net/index.php/article/zaha_hadids_riverside_museum_wins_european_museum_academy_micheletti_award_/).

Pious Fraud

May 9th, 2012, 09:58 AM

^^ Good news.

And good perspective from the above article...

http://www.bustler.net/images/sized/images/news2/riverside_museum_micheletti_award_2012_03-530x739.jpg

The Boy David

May 9th, 2012, 10:36 AM

And good perspective from the above article...

Best perspective. Hooray for helicopters. *Sigh*

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/okay-guy-meme.jpg

Due East

May 9th, 2012, 02:23 PM

^^ Good news.

And good perspective from the above article...

http://www.bustler.net/images/sized/images/news2/riverside_museum_micheletti_award_2012_03-530x739.jpg

Great pic.

Those dry docks on the South Bank are crying out for a great development (perhaps something along the lines of - though infinitesimally better than Liverpool's dry docks).

Anyone think there is any chance of them ever getting rid of that scheme in Govan? That could be an incredible site for development.

RapidTaco

May 9th, 2012, 04:18 PM

Great pic.

Those dry docks on the South Bank are crying out for a great development (perhaps something along the lines of - though infinitesimally better than Liverpool's dry docks).

Anyone think there is any chance of them ever getting rid of that scheme in Govan? That could be an incredible site for development.

I'd far rather they concentrated on sorting Tradeston out first!

M_Riaz

May 12th, 2012, 03:44 PM

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M_Riaz

June 18th, 2012, 05:45 PM

ET (http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/expansion-plan-as-museum-celebrates-its-first-birthday.17887073)

New car park for the TM.

Such has been the popularity of the dramatic structure that at times the car park has struggled to cope with demand.

But work has now started on creating more space for coaches and up to 200 additional cars

Jamandell (d69)

June 21st, 2012, 07:38 PM

Really surprised to see that this hasn't been awarded an architecture award by RIBA.

http://www.architecture.com/Awards/RIBAAwards/2012/Scotland/Scotlandwinners2012.aspx

Sweet Zombie Jesus

June 22nd, 2012, 01:43 PM

Really surprised to see that this hasn't been awarded an architecture award by RIBA.

http://www.architecture.com/Awards/RIBAAwards/2012/Scotland/Scotlandwinners2012.aspx

I'm not, substance over style prevails. :)

Pious Fraud

September 4th, 2012, 10:54 AM

Riverside and Summerlee museums mark Glasgow last tram anniversary

BBC News 4th September 2012

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/62648000/jpg/_62648529_951___selected-1.jpg

Events are being held to mark the 50th anniversary of the last public tram service in Glasgow.

The Riverside Museum in Glasgow, which houses the city's transport collection, will put its newly-refurbished 1938 Coronation Tram back on display.

The occasion will also be marked at Summerlee Museum in Coatbridge in North Lanarkshire - which operates Scotland's only electric tramway.

Glasgow's last tram ran on 4 September 1962 - ending 90 years of services.

About 250,000 people are estimated to have watched the last tram procession in the city.

The final destination on that day was the Coplawhill Tramworks in Pollokshields, which two years later became the city's first transport museum.

The refurbished 1938 Coronation Tram, will be put back on display at the Riverside Museum on Tuesday.

A special "last tram procession" feature will also be on display, telling the stories of people who witnessed the event.

Visitors will also be able to learn about Robert Cooper who was the motorman for the last tram 1089.

Councillor Archie Graham, chair of Glasgow Life, said: "The last tram procession was a celebration of Glasgow's rich transport heritage which was shared by so many people and the introduction of the Coronation Tram to the Riverside Museum is the perfect way to celebrate the anniversary.

"Visitors will once again be able to climb on board and experience what journeys by tram were like."

A series of events will also be held at Summerlee Museum to mark the anniversary.

The venue operates Scotland's only operational electric tramway, including a former Glasgow Corporation tram, number 1017.

Summerlee manager, Laura Eales, said: "Our trams are an integral part of Summerlee and provide a fascinating insight into this once familiar mode of transport.

"We look forward to marking the 50th anniversary of this historic transport event."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-19465416

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http://www.glasgowhistory.co.uk/images/BridgetonBookPhotos/118a-LastTram.JPG

'The last tram procession through Bridgeton Cross'