OB: Onderzoek naar nieuwe locatie PSV-stadion

24 september 2009 Verzorgd door Omroep Brabant - radio, televisie en internet

De kans bestaat dat PSV binnen tien jaar in een nieuw stadion op een andere locatie zijn thuiswedstrijden speelt. De club start binnenkort een onderzoek wat moet uitwijzen of zo’n nieuw stadion haalbaar is. PSV wil de capaciteit van het stadion al langer uitbreiden. Als het WK voetbal in 2018 of 2022 in Nederland wordt gespeeld, komen die plannen in een stroomversnelling. Dan moet de capaciteit van het stadion snel worden verhoogd naar minimaal 45.000 plaatsen. Het huidige Philips Stadion kan dan worden uitgebreid, maar PSV wil ook onderzoeken of een ander stadion op een andere locatie haalbaar is.

http://psv.netwerk.to/nieuws/artikel/21105_OB%3A%20Onderzoek%20naar%20nieuwe%20locatie%20PSV-stadion.php

A quick translation:

PSV is looking to expand their capacity for a while now and if the 2018 or 2022 world cup will be co-hosted by The Netherlands the capacity should at least be 45,000 if they want to host. The Philips Stadium could be expanded but the club wants to investigate whether a new stadium is also a viable option.

Personal note: the club seem to have changed their mind because less than a year ago they announced that they would almost definitely stay where they are. Seeing how every research by the club regarding the stadium capacity takes at least 2 years and no one ever hears anything of it again I don't expect much of this investigation either.

^^ Today PSV announced that it is almost certain that they will expand to about 45.000 seats. But they will investigate the option of a new stadion on a location outside the city. But it is not their favorite option unless they can make lots more money on that new sight which has not even been selected. Also the neighbours, the stadium is located in a housing area, have announced that they would regret if PSV were to leave the present site were they have played since 1913.

Since the current stadium already has very good commercial opportunities, I do not expect that they can generate much more money on another location. Especially since they will also increase the commercial opportunities if they expand the present stadium. And the direct railway connection they now enjoy would be very hard to find in any new location around Eindhoven.

Also FC Utrecht are now very serious in occupying a sight to build another New Galgenwaard. Probably near the intersection of the A12 and A2 highways they can build the stadium. Initial plans call for 35.000 seats (they now have 24.000 seats) but with a possible WC-2018 or WC-2022 I can see them building for 45.000 seats as well. :)

Olympic Stadium gets face-lift for 2018 World Cup Stadium capacity can be increased to 45,000 spectators

The HollandBelgium Bid aims to give Amsterdam’s Olympic Stadium an interim renovation that will enable it to host World Cup football matches in 2018 (or 2022). A unique concept by the sponsor BAM will allow for the capacity of this classic football arena, built in 1928, to be increased to 45,000 spectators. “The plan is still in its early stages but we aim to make it a reality. After all, this is one of the jewels in our crown”, says Harry Been, the director of the Foundation that is organising the Belgian/Dutch candidature.

This would give Amsterdam two stadiums that are ‘World Cup-proof’. Been stresses that the construction or expansion of stadiums must also bring (lasting) commercial benefits for the clubs involved. FIFA is not happy that some stadiums which were built during the 2002 World Cup are now no longer in use. “The same problem will be seen in South Africa in the coming year”, says Been. “There’s a superb new stadium in Cape Town, but the local football team has its own venue on the other side of town. They simply don’t want to play football in such a modern location. In our case the construction and renovation of stadiums will be highly functional.” (Wegener Nieuwsmedia)

Source: Thebid.org (http://www.thebid.org/?lang=en)

This seems to be the first time that the Olympic Stadium in Amsterdam has been suggested as a venue outside Amsterdam.

The website from the HollandBelgium bid also has been updated with a 3 minutes trailer including the prime ministers from both countries.

^^ Interesting news, but the Belgium-Netherlands bid also aims to use the present De Kuip - Feyenoord Stadium and the new Feyenoord Stadium (almost right beside it) in the bid. FIFA regulations now state that only one city in a bid might use two venues if these venues qualify.

So in order to have two stadiums in Rotterdam and Amsterdam in the bid would require a change in the FIFA regulations if Belgium and The Netherlands win either the WC-2018 or WC-2022 bid. But I am interested in seeing what they would do with the historic but beautiful Olympic Stadium in Amsterdam. :)

The suggestion of the Olympic Stadium is pretty new, but could be very interesting both political and more practical.

Political
Brussels the opening game, Rotterdam the final, Amsterdam 2 stadiums. Every city will be really happy.

Practical
The old and new Kuip are very close to each other. 4 groups of supporters on the same location are hard to divide. You can use different dates to use the stadiums, but this makes the use of them less flexible. Another point is that Rotterdam is able to accommodate less people in the city (especially in the hotels).

For the wc holland-belgium bid they are probably going to expand the olympic stadium in amsterdam. So there will be 2 stadia for the wc in amsterdam.
Here are some renders. it is not an official render.
http://www.sportgeschiedenis.nl/userfiles/KLEIN-OSA_vogelvlucht_var0%5B1%5D.jpg

http://www.sportgeschiedenis.nl/userfiles/Stadionsnijde.JPG

They can (temporary) expand it and there are 2 ways to do that.

The first is to expand it with a total ring wich gives it approx. 55.000/65.000 seats.
The second way is to expand it with a few parts wich gives it approx. 45.000 seats.

http://i33.tinypic.com/rliyw4.jpg

Mad ugly, both.

a waste of time

The first might be passable with a bit of work the second is beyond rediculous.

It looks all wrong..just demolish it! :fiddle:

Next!

It looks all wrong..just demolish it! :fiddle:

Next!

very funny

I don't know what's funnier. If him or those renders.

For the wc holland-belgium bid they are probably going to expand the olympic stadium in amsterdam. So there will be 2 stadia for the wc in amsterdam.
Here are some renders. it is not an official render.
http://www.sportgeschiedenis.nl/userfiles/KLEIN-OSA_vogelvlucht_var0%5B1%5D.jpg

http://www.sportgeschiedenis.nl/userfiles/Stadionsnijde.JPG
:weird:
WTF!!!!

For the wc holland-belgium bid they are probably going to expand the olympic stadium in amsterdam. So there will be 2 stadia for the wc in amsterdam.
Here are some renders. it is not an official render.
http://www.sportgeschiedenis.nl/userfiles/KLEIN-OSA_vogelvlucht_var0%5B1%5D.jpg

http://www.sportgeschiedenis.nl/userfiles/Stadionsnijde.JPG

Ugly!!!

It's a historic building ffs, they can't demolish it or just built over it, an approach like that seems very good

At least ugly stadia have a lot of character. I hope neither design sees it's way onto the drawing board if the stadium is to be used for the 2018 WC

Is this a joke ?

Is this a joke ?

Macaulay Culkin, Home Alone.

^^ lol

Leave the stadium alone...

Note that these renders are not proposals. They are taken from a technical study based where they asked the question: 'Is it possible to make a temporary expansion of the Olympic Stadium without harming the stadium?'

Designs will be something for later in case of a WC football or EC Athletics.

Note that these renders are not proposals. They are taken from a technical study based where they asked the question: 'Is it possible to make a temporary expansion of the Olympic Stadium without harming the stadium?'

And the answer seems to be - yes, but the results would be disappointing. :)

Lotto Dome (MAASEIK)
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4913/8web.jpg

A new Olympic Stadium in Amsterdam is also in the pipeline. I've seen some pics with the proposed location. Very ambitious project with a revolutionairy art of building and design at a unique location.

A new Olympic Stadium is also in the pipeline. I've seen some pics with the proposed location. Very ambitious project with a revolutionairy art of building and design at a unique location.

Where? In Belgium?

Ahoy' (Rotterdam)
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/8925/getimagef.jpg
OmniSport (Apeldoorn)
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6355/getimagen.jpg

Lotto Dome (MAASEIK)
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4913/8web.jpg

Maaseik is in Belgium

Expanding stadium

Club: NEC
City: Nijmegen
Future capacity: 20,000~22,500
Current capacity: 12,500

http://www.gelderlander.nl/multimedia/archive/01305/topsporthal1_1305663b.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8747/necstadionkcapklein.jpg

Looks pretty sweet. Any pics of the inside?

How many self concidered subtopclubs are there now?


AZ
Heerenveen
FC Twente
FC Groningen
FC Utrecht
NAC
NEC
Vitesse
Willem II
Roda JC

thats more than the half of the competition...

What´s left after selection
More or less sure candidates for expansion in near future
Heerenveen
FC Twente
NAC

Groningen has problems with the current design to expand. (they can say what they want but it will be expensive)
FC Groningen


FC Utrecht, but would have to be a new stadium I believe. for so 5 - 10 years.

And the biggest project, the new Kuip, well let´s see. Question of a lot of money which is not there. (yet?)

Future expansion of Grolsch-veste, FC Twente (Enschede):

http://www.tctubantia.nl/multimedia/archive/01347/twente3_1347105b.JPG

http://www.tctubantia.nl/multimedia/archive/01347/twente2_1347107b.JPG

http://www.tctubantia.nl/multimedia/archive/01347/twente1_1347106b.JPG

Today's situation:

http://www.rnw.nl/data/files/images/grolsch%20veste%20vongole%201%20flickr.jpg

40,000 seats for city with population of 150.000 people?Madness!

^^ In the area of Twente live appr. 600.000 inhabitants.

ps: If the stadium will be used for the World Championships (2018), it needs appr. 44.000 seats.

40,000 seats for city with population of 150.000 people?Madness!

Heerenveen has a stadium of 27,000 for a town of 40,000 - it's not about the immediate local population, it's about catchment area

http://www.rnw.nl/data/files/images/grolsch%20veste%20vongole%201%20flickr.jpg

A stadium by the sewer/water treatment plant. I can only imagine the smell.

A stadium by the sewer/water treatment plant. I can only imagine the smell.

Hahaha brilliant!

Future expansion of Grolsch-veste, FC Twente (Enschede):

http://www.tctubantia.nl/multimedia/archive/01347/twente3_1347105b.JPG

http://www.tctubantia.nl/multimedia/archive/01347/twente2_1347107b.JPG

http://www.tctubantia.nl/multimedia/archive/01347/twente1_1347106b.JPG

Today's situation:

http://www.rnw.nl/data/files/images/grolsch%20veste%20vongole%201%20flickr.jpg

Thanks for the info, are these ´official´ planns? The quality is a bit doubtfull.
Any one has planns from the next expansion which I believe is planned at the end of this year or something? The extra stand on the other goal end?

Thanks for the info, are these ´official´ planns? The quality is a bit doubtfull.
Any one has planns from the next expansion which I believe is planned at the end of this year or something? The extra stand on the other goal end?

Yes its official. Its from the same architect that designed the first expansion. In August they start with the second expansion, till 32.000 seats, which will contain the other short half going up. This renders contain the last expansion up till 44.000 seats. That will be build in 2014 if the world cup will go to the Netherlands. But, there is a change they will build it anyway, if FC Twente is doing well and there is demand for 44.000 seats.

A stadium by the sewer/water treatment plant. I can only imagine the smell.

You don't smell anything, but yes... its a bit strange. :lol:

You don't smell anything, but yes... its a bit strange. :lol:
After the first visit???
I could surely immagine one can't smell anything anymore after being in there for more than 90 minutes. :lol:

Future expansion of Grolsch-veste, FC Twente (Enschede):



It's a bit DSB-stadium 2.0 right? Although that's not really a bad thing since I quite like the DSB-stadium.

Heerenveen has a stadium of 27,000 for a town of 40,000 - it's not about the immediate local population, it's about catchment area

The town Heerenveen has 28.500 inhabitants :nuts: The municipality has 42.000 inhabitants.

RC Lens in France has more seats than the town does people.

Yes its official. Its from the same architect that designed the first expansion. In August they start with the second expansion, till 32.000 seats, which will contain the other short half going up. This renders contain the last expansion up till 44.000 seats. That will be build in 2014 if the world cup will go to the Netherlands. But, there is a change they will build it anyway, if FC Twente is doing well and there is demand for 44.000 seats.

I like the idea that there will be one stand bigger then the rest. A bit classical.
I do not like (yet) the way it´s done. I´s rather see it done rectangular then round. Allthough it looks allright from the outside. It fits more with the rest of the stadium.
Also expanding like that would leave open further expansion in the future.
I´ll show later what I mean.

it's not about town population though is, it's about catchment area, which for both Lens and Heerenveen is far far higher!

a new study of the possible new location of the Thialf Stadium in Heerenveen:
http://i42.tinypic.com/206mnab.jpg

Any news on the start date for extending the Grolsch Veste?

After today's (fantastic) achievement, it's a great time to build on the success, but it'd be a real shame to have to play Champions League home games in another city again.

Any news on the start date for extending the Grolsch Veste?

After today's (fantastic) achievement, it's a great time to build on the success, but it'd be a real shame to have to play Champions League home games in another city again.

In september Twente starts with the expansion (from 24.000 to 32.000). Most of the games of the first part of the season 2010/2011 will be played outside. I don't know how they will arrange the CL matches at home (maybe in the Gelredome in Arnhem)

The bid book is coming up. But it's awfully quiet in this thread, specially if you look at the Belgium thread. Shouldn't there be renders by now for the new stadiums in Rotterdam & Amsterdam?

^^ Well, this render was just released. It shows an artist impression of the area where the new Feyenoord Stadium (De Nieuwe Kuip) will be build. There is no official design for the new stadium yet, the picture only shows the defined location for the new stadium in Rotterdam. This decision was already taken by the Rotterdam City Council in December 2008.

For sure the stadium will be built, but if the WC-2018 or WC-2022 is not rewarded to The Netherlands & Belgium, the stadium could be a bit smaller then now proposed. But minimum plans still call for at least 70,000 seats if the WC is not awarded. With convertable standing terraces the capacity could go to 80,000 after all. But for the WC-final you need 85,000 seats which also in size need to be in accordance to the latest standards set by FIFA/UEFA.

http://www.dekuip.nl/media/editor/De_Nieuwe_Kuip/Stadion_Park_situatie_2018_web_.jpg[/QUOTE]

In Rotterdam the famous Ahoy Sports and Concert Palace (Sportpaleis Ahoy) is being renovated and expanded to a maximum capacity of 15.812 spectators. This is up of the current maximum of about 10.000 spectators.

Some pictures out of the thread in the Dutch section of SSC: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=619434&page=14

21-04:

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2712/4541410130_af695aa920_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/topaas/4541410130/)

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2783/4541410296_36c62c4ed9_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/topaas/4541410296/)

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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4540777469_b78ef4b8e0_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/topaas/4540777469/)

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2780/4541410700_79fabba3e1_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/topaas/4541410700/)

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2749/4540777791_3eff6a1458_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/topaas/4540777791/)

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2678/4541411074_61c73fe238_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/topaas/4541411074/)

7.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4002/4540778125_ca497219a3_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/topaas/4540778125/)

8.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4005/4540778263_c0d49c3570_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/topaas/4540778263/)


Hijsen.

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1270/80124566.jpg

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/4787/29607544.jpg

Meanwhile in Amsterdam they are building a new arena especially for music concerts, called the Ziggo Dome. Though it is more a box then a dome, just like the nearby HMH (Heineken Music Hall) it will be espacially designed for superior acoustics for such a large hall.

So sports and other events are secondary in the design of this hall. Maximum capacity will be 15.600 spectators.

Thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=192338&page=15 (currently at page 15).

Pictures:

Nieuwe impressies:
http://i42.tinypic.com/ji2oh2.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/wbxhdx.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/flhrug.jpg




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http://i41.tinypic.com/2dje8ef.jpg

Bron: www.ziggodome.nl


Opbouw Ziggo Dome

http://i28.tinypic.com/2r2au6h.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/35aj6rm.jpg



vandaag, ze zijn begonnen met heien.

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7384/p1020407m.jpg

Strange - what about the Heineken Music Hall? It's right next to it!

Ziggo Dome will be three times larger then the HMH if you look at the capacity. These halls are not competing, they complement each other. ;).

Strange - what about the Heineken Music Hall? It's right next to it!

Nothing strange. Between the HMH and Ahoy there is totaly nothing. The gap between them and the next stage is to large. The ziggodome is a gap in the market in coverd stages in the Netherlands. There are lots of bands and artists who think 5 to 8.000 is to small but a 30.000 stadium (Gelredome) is to big.

Impressions of the Philips Stadium in Eindhoven wich is to be expanded from 35 to 44.000k.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7684/stadion1.jpg

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1779/stadion2d.jpg

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/3581/stadion3b.jpg

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9297/stadion4n.jpg

3rd tier or jut expanded 2nd tier?

I love the PSV stadium very much...

According to the official website of Ahoy Palais the arena will host many events this year.How it's possible durning the renovation?

3rd tier or jut expanded 2nd tier?

Probably a 3rd tier :-S

Photoshop

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/remyberden/Philips-stadion2.jpg

Bigger images

Mr.Mit. [NL];56775419']Eindelijk serieuze impressies van het Philips Stadion na uitbreiding:

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http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4127/philipsstadionnieuw1.png

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04.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3596/philipsstadionnieuw4.png

Na deze uitbreiding komt het aantal zitplaatsen op 44.000

3rd tier or jut expanded 2nd tier?

from http://www.architectenweb.nl/aweb/projects/project.asp?PID=15956

Opgave was om de stadioncapaciteit te vergroten naar 44.000 zitjes, dus circa 9000 extra. In ons ontwerp wordt de langstribune aan de spoorzijde en de beide koptribunes vergroot door extra rijen stoelen toe te voegen. De hoeken, die van recente datum zijn, blijven in tact.

Het architectonisch beeld is opgebouwd door gebruik te maken van bestaande elementen. Die elementen zijn de witte plint met strookramen en de afgeronde, met glanzend metaal beklede hoeken. De bedoeling is om het stadion, dat momenteel uit zelfstandige gebouwen bestaat meer tot een eenheid te vormen. Het doorzetten van de horizontale lijnen in de plint van het gebouw is daarvoor zeer belangrijk.

De nieuwe trubunes vormen forse volumes, waardoor de bestaande ronde hoeken meer als entreegebouw gaan werken en ze hun ietwat introverte karakter verliezen. De nieuwe tribunes worden voorzien van afgeronde metalen daken die zich om de tribune plooien. De kopwanden van deze tribunes (links en rechts van de ronde hoeken) zijn met twee vloeiende curves vorm gegeven. Eén curve bestaat uit een glazen vlak en geeft de verbinding van binnen naar buiten aan. De andere curve is die van het dak en geeft het gebouw als het ware een taille door naar binnen te buigen. Onder de nieuwe tribunes zijn foyerruimtes ontworpen met een glazen gevel. Daardoor opent het gebouw zich meer naar de stad, een spel van zien en gezien worden.

De nieuwe daken worden gedragen door twee grote spanten die over het stadion geplaatst worden. Dit spant kan ook dienen om later een schuifdak te dragen. De diagonale structuur van de spanten komt terug in de kolommen die de tribune ondersteunen

Translated:

Task was to increase the stadium capacity to 44,000 seats, so around 9000 extra. In our design, the long gallery on the railway side and two extra rows of seats koptribunes enhanced by adding. The angles, those of recent date, remain in tact.

The architectural image is constructed by using existing elements. These elements are the white plinth strip windows, and the rounded, polished metal coated with corners. The aim is to see the stadium, which currently consists of independent buildings to a greater unity. By setting the horizontal lines in the plinth of the building is therefore very important.

The new forms trubunes large volumes, making the existing entrance building as more rounded corners to work and their somewhat introverted character. The new stands are equipped with metal roofs that are rounded to the stand folds. The ends of these stands (left and right of the rounded corners) with two smooth curves shape. A curve is a glass surface and provides the connection from the inside out to. The other curve is that of the roof and gives the building if it were a waist by bending inwards. Under the new stands are designed foyers with a glass facade. Thus the building opens up more to the city, a game of seeing and being seen.

The new roofs are supported by two large frames that are placed on the stadium. This truss can also be used later to sliding wear. The diagonal structure of the beams is reflected in the columns supporting the gallery

So to answer your question Sercan, I've no idea still! The fact the translation mentions something about keeping the angles intact might point to extending the tiers. Any Dutch input here might help! :dunno:

It's an architect talking about his superb design.
It's all about the relationship with the city and has nothing to do with the spectator/user of the stadium. i wonder if he has thought about that so well also.

The Dutch text mentions the adding of rows of seating at the stand next to the railway track as well as the two stands behind the goals. It does not mention the creation of an additional tier. Add the angle of the new stands compared to the already existing corners to this and my guess would be that the current 2nd tier on those three stands will be enlarged.

I like the design of the enlarged PSV Stadium very much. To spread the increase of the capacity over the three stands as shown makes it a lot more beautiful then to put 9,000 seats on 1 or 2 stands only. There was some talk about that but if this design is the official one chosen, this is very good news. :)

According to the official website of Ahoy Palais the arena will host many events this year.How it's possible durning the renovation?

They will only host the North Sea Jazz Festival in the main arena during the renovation. Late this year the renovation will be finished, so events coming up late November or in December could be hosted in the main arena.

All other events are hosted in the Schiehal, a hall wich actually has a higher number of floor area, but it is lower in height than the main Sports Palace arena. But they have quite large stands which can easily be erected or relocated in this hall which also allow many visitors. ;).

Nice, totally nothing wrong with it. Only the thing that its a nice stadium for an ugly club ;)

Yes, looks like because of the steep 2nd tier they won't add a 3rd tier. Just expanded 2nd tier

^^ Correct. The stands will be quite tall as will the stands of the Grolsch Veste be after it's expansion to 44.000 seats. ;)

Does Pays-Bas federation think be candidate to 2020 European championship ?

No

they are going to expand the fc groningen' euroborg to 27,000

The way they wanna expand the euroborg to 27.000

Screenshots:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/590/eurotijdelijkcopy.jpg

From: http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/590/eurotijdelijkcopy.jpg

And Heracles Almelo is going to build a new stadion for 15.000

Screenshots:

http://85.92.147.241/~heracles/img/uploads/a10_13.jpg
http://85.92.147.241/~heracles/img/uploads/a11_4.jpg
http://85.92.147.241/~heracles/img/uploads/a13.jpg
http://85.92.147.241/~heracles/img/uploads/a14.jpg
http://85.92.147.241/~heracles/img/uploads/a12_1.jpg
http://85.92.147.241/~heracles/img/uploads/a15_1.jpg
http://85.92.147.241/~heracles/img/uploads/a9_14.jpg
http://85.92.147.241/~heracles/img/uploads/a8_14.jpg

From: http://www.hartvoorheracles.nl/home/nieuws/232

The new stadium of FC Dordrecht. The club plays in the Dutch second division, the Jupiler League.
The capacity of the stadium is 6000 seats, the stadium is still in planning.

http://www.zwarts.jansma.nl/image/636-500-334.jpg

http://www.zwarts.jansma.nl/image/1090-500-341.jpg

http://www.zwarts.jansma.nl/image/791-500-334.jpg

The new stadium of sc Cambuur called ''WTC stadion''. The club plays in the Dutch second division, the Jupiler League.
The capacity of the stadium is 12.000 seats, the stadium is still in planning but it must be put into use in 2013.

http://www.stadionsineuropa.nl/nieuwbouw/cambuur09/cl02.JPG

http://www.stadionsineuropa.nl/nieuwbouw/cambuur09/cl03.JPG

http://www.stadionsineuropa.nl/nieuwbouw/cambuur09/cl04.JPG

http://www.sc-heerenveen.nl/pageid=502/Home.html

Stadium enlargement to 32.000 for SC Heerenveen is postponed. A loss of 15mln euro was made over the last year. The board thinks the time is not ready for these kind of investments.

Nothing irealistic about that thought. Why invest 25mln when the risk is to high? On the other hand, even without a WC the stadium is expanded before 2020 I think. Just wait 4 or 5 years when the crisis is over and the waitinglists are growing again.

Very nice that stadium of heracles

The renovation of Sportpaleis Ahoy in Rotterdam was completed recently:

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Any news on the Grolsch Veste expansion to 36,000?

I know the WC bid failure was a set back for many developments, but with Twente going like they are right now it's a great time to increase their support.

Thialf naast het Abe Lenstrastadion is weer een stap dichterbij!
http://nos.nl/artikel/224318-heerenv...uw-thialf.html

Hier een brochure: http://content1b.omroep.nl/6058a5d1a...ure_thialf.pdf

Any news on the Grolsch Veste expansion to 36,000?

I know the WC bid failure was a set back for many developments, but with Twente going like they are right now it's a great time to increase their support.

Expansion from the current 24k to 30k is underway. Will be finished for the 11/12 season start in August.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/multimedia/archive/01757/nieuw_grolsch_vest_1757224a.JPG

Nice to hear. The Eredivisie can only grow stronger as more clubs besides Ajax and PSV attain improved income and larger fan bases. I'd love to see this league surpass Serie A in average attendance and provide more of a challenge to the power leagues in UEFA competitions. The Dutch fans are that good.

And I say this as a Premiership devotee.

^^ What, it's not about average attendance it's about TV and Sponsorship revenue, they will never catch Italy unless they annex Belgium or encourage mass immigration to triple the population. And averages I doubt they'll surpass them especially if Italian stadiums get better.

When are Twente going to lower the stands? The moat around the pitch is ugly!

^^ If I'm correct lowering the stands is part of this expension

Lowering the stands and closing the moat is the next step in the expansion. It will take capacity from 30k to 32k.
Nothing clear on a starting date yet.

^^ What, it's not about average attendance it's about TV and Sponsorship revenue, they will never catch Italy unless they annex Belgium or encourage mass immigration to triple the population. And averages I doubt they'll surpass them especially if Italian stadiums get better.I've no delusions about Eredivisie truly supplanting the top 4-5 leagues, especially due to the revenue disparity that comes with TV & sponsorships. Even if Dutch league was drawing 26k per they'd be ever behind the bigger leagues unless, as you suggested, the nation's populace magically tripled+. Frankly, MLS here in the States has a better shot at surpassing the Eredivisie in average draw than the Eredivisie has of catching Serie A.

I simply enjoy seeing the mystique of Serie A taking a blow by featuring such paltry crowds for this once proud league. They've let their facilities deteriorate, mismanaged crowd control and failed at luring more fans in general. So I say more power to those leagues that have invested in the future of the game, especially the smaller nations like the Netherlands that have such passion for the sport.

Utrecht vs. Herenveen is more appealing to me than 90% of Serie A matches. But I don't confuse my wishful thinking with actual expectation.

Cheers. :cheers:

^^ In potential the MLS might even be closer to surpassing the Serie A then the Eredivisie is, but we shouldn't even try to compare ourselves with England, Germany, Spain and Italy. We should try to be the 5th competition in Europe, but their are a lot of competitors.

First thing UEFA should do is make the game (financially) fair, and we can really see what we are capable of.

^^ In potential the MLS might even be closer to surpassing the Serie A then the Eredivisie is, but we shouldn't even try to compare ourselves with England, Germany, Spain and Italy. We should try to be the 5th competition in Europe, but their are a lot of competitors.

First thing UEFA should do is make the game (financially) fair, and we can really see what we are capable of.

What we're capable of? How about all the silverware all the clubs won in the total history of clubfootball

Combined:
6x EC1 (Ajax 4, Feyenoord 1, Psv 1)
1x EC2 (Ajax)
4x EC3 (feyenoord 2, Ajax 1, Psv 1)
3x eufa supercup (Ajax)
3x World Cup clubs (Ajax 2, Feyenoord 1)
and numbers of lost finals in all competitions.

We even have a member of the uefa club hall of fame (Ajax)

Look at all the players who play abroad, if only we could hold half of them in our own competition....

Lowering the stands and closing the moat is the next step in the expansion. It will take capacity from 30k to 32k.
Nothing clear on a starting date yet.

Should've been first in my opinion it looks bad.

^^ In potential the MLS might even be closer to surpassing the Serie A then the Eredivisie is, but we shouldn't even try to compare ourselves with England, Germany, Spain and Italy. We should try to be the 5th competition in Europe, but their are a lot of competitors.

Don't see it tbf

First thing UEFA should do is make the game (financially) fair, and we can really see what we are capable of.

Yeah but financial fair play won't actually make the game fair it will fix the game the way it is now.

What UEFA/Platini mean by fair is what is "fair" to the big clubs.

What we're capable of? How about all the silverware all the clubs won in the total history of clubfootball

Combined:
6x EC1 (Ajax 4, Feyenoord 1, Psv 1)
1x EC2 (Ajax)
4x EC3 (feyenoord 2, Ajax 1, Psv 1)
3x eufa supercup (Ajax)
3x World Cup clubs (Ajax 2, Feyenoord 1)
and numbers of lost finals in all competitions.

We even have a member of the uefa club hall of fame (Ajax)

Look at all the players who play abroad, if only we could hold half of them in our own competition....

The problem is other than FC Twente in 1975 and AZ in 1981 no one else has done much. What would you rather a competitive league (like you seemingly have now) or to have your big three win the league all the time and do well in Europe?

I've no delusions about Eredivisie truly supplanting the top 4-5 leagues, especially due to the revenue disparity that comes with TV & sponsorships. Even if Dutch league was drawing 26k per they'd be ever behind the bigger leagues unless, as you suggested, the nation's populace magically tripled+. Frankly, MLS here in the States has a better shot at surpassing the Eredivisie in average draw than the Eredivisie has of catching Serie A.

I simply enjoy seeing the mystique of Serie A taking a blow by featuring such paltry crowds for this once proud league. They've let their facilities deteriorate, mismanaged crowd control and failed at luring more fans in general. So I say more power to those leagues that have invested in the future of the game, especially the smaller nations like the Netherlands that have such passion for the sport.

Utrecht vs. Herenveen is more appealing to me than 90% of Serie A matches. But I don't confuse my wishful thinking with actual expectation.

Cheers. :cheers:

A lot of prejudice and ignorance in this post, but this is not the place to be discussing Italian football...

What we're capable of? How about all the silverware all the clubs won in the total history of clubfootball

Combined:
6x EC1 (Ajax 4, Feyenoord 1, Psv 1)
1x EC2 (Ajax)
4x EC3 (feyenoord 2, Ajax 1, Psv 1)
3x eufa supercup (Ajax)
3x World Cup clubs (Ajax 2, Feyenoord 1)
and numbers of lost finals in all competitions.

We even have a member of the uefa club hall of fame (Ajax)

Look at all the players who play abroad, if only we could hold half of them in our own competition....

You're first line says it all: 'history'. Back then we didn't knew the monster called 'Modern Football' yet. We should still figure out what we're capable of now when money is more important then goals.



Yeah but financial fair play won't actually make the game fair it will fix the game the way it is now.

What UEFA/Platini mean by fair is what is "fair" to the big clubs.

I know, but I'm not talking about UEFA's fair play, I'm talking about real fair play. Ban all the clubs from European competitions which still have debts in 5 years.

You're first line says it all: 'history'. Back then we didn't knew the monster called 'Modern Football' yet. We should still figure out what we're capable of now when money is more important then goals.

No offence but those "against modern football". I want to know what specifically they are against because there are many aspects of modern football which are brilliant to be fair. I have problems with aspects of it, but I am not gonna dismiss it completely because the old football was far from perfect.

I know, but I'm not talking about UEFA's fair play, I'm talking about real fair play. Ban all the clubs from European competitions which still have debts in 5 years.

That's even more unfair, no offence but the financial punishment rules that you have in the netherlands (and countries like Germany and Italy) are stupid and counterproductive.

The problem has and always will be the way the revenue is distributed only if that is sorted out must cntrols on spending, debt and contracts be implemented. Football is too reactive it should be proactive then the problems wouldn't arise in the first place.

The only thing Uefa should do is make sure that the financial rules for all clubs playing under Uefa flag are the same. I don´t care how those rules will be, just make sure that it´s the same for every one.

I see nothing wrong with Madrid or Barca having a debts of 500 milion or so, as long as they can pay the costs of having those debts and paying the bills on time. But when Barca can then it is very strange that Ajax can´t.

A lot of prejudice and ignorance in this post, but this is not the place to be discussing Italian football...I'll agree to end this tangent, and going forward I'll make note to not have opinions or preferences in things like style and atmosphere. :|

FC Volendam has built a new stand. The club plays in the Jupiler League (2nd division) The stand was opening in August 2010.

See 2 pics of the new stand on this link:
http://www.fcvolendam.nl/nieuws/item/jaap-jonktribune-nadert-voltooiing/

FC Volendam has built a new stand. The club plays in the Jupiler League (2nd division) The stand was opening in August 2010.

See 2 pics of the new stand on this link:
http://www.fcvolendam.nl/nieuws/item/jaap-jonktribune-nadert-voltooiing/

Just to be 100% sure Carlo but the new stand at Volendam you are talking about are from august 2010 right?

Totally outdated design. There is no reason for a new stand to have pillars today. It's nice that Volendam now has four more or less identical stands but the oldest of those must be over 15 years old now.

Can someone post pictures of the expansion of the Grolsh Veste
there are a few pictures on the website of fc twente

Can someone post pictures of the expansion of the Grolsh Veste
there are a few pictures on the website of fc twente

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Album=MAZLURBY

The expansion of the Grolsch Veste to 30.000 is going very fast as you can see at the website of the dutch champion FC Twente

http://www.fctwente.nl/nieuws/fotos-uitbreiding-de-grolsch-veste-5/

http://www.fctwente.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2011-05-10-29.jpg
source: www.fctwente.nl

The expansion of the Grolsch Veste to 30.000 is going very fast as you can see at the website of the dutch champion FC Twente

http://www.fctwente.nl/nieuws/fotos-uitbreiding-de-grolsch-veste-5/

http://www.fctwente.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2011-05-10-29.jpg
source: www.fctwente.nl

They arent champions yet mate :) Although I hope they win or draws against Ajax in this weekend :cheers:

Anyways great progress.

They arent champions yet mate :) Although I hope they win or draws against Ajax in this weekend :cheers:

Anyways great progress.

They are still champions (2010) ;)
and yes they will be 2011 :cheers:

They are still champions (2010) ;)
and yes they will be 2011 :cheers:

Unfortuantly there not champions anymore...
Meanwhile there neighbour Heracles Almelo has more or less presented plans for their new stadium. Their aiming for a cap of 15 000, easely extandable to 20.000.
http://www.heracles.nl/nieuws?newsId=5069 and the webpage of the architects
http://www.pr8.nl/ just click on ´projects´ and then ´stadion heracles almelo´
looks allright I mop.

Under construction.....

Fortuantly there not champions anymore...
Meanwhile there neighbour Heracles Almelo has more or less presented plans for their new stadium. Their aiming for a cap of 15 000, easely extandable to 20.000.
http://www.heracles.nl/nieuws?newsId=5069 and the webpage of the architects
http://www.pr8.nl/ just click on ´projects´ and then ´stadion heracles almelo´
looks allright I mop.

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Ontopic. Looks nice though. I hope the ditches inbetween stand and pitch are gone very soon aswell. Then its a venue suitable for a club like Twente. Something they deserve.

Meanwhile there neighbour Heracles Almelo has more or less presented plans for their new stadium. Their aiming for a cap of 15 000, easely extandable to 20.000.
http://www.heracles.nl/nieuws?newsId=5069 and the webpage of the architects
http://www.pr8.nl/ just click on ´projects´ and then ´stadion heracles almelo´
looks allright I mop.Looks very nice save for the partially obstructed views created by the columns intruding into the upper reaches of the seating bowl. I'd rather they shaved capacity then offer those, myself, but perhaps at a discount they'll still draw revenue for the club.

Otherwise a nice take on that size venue. Good to see the Netherlands continue to build up the infrastructure for so many clubs.

Grolsch Veste:

http://www.fctwente.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/hoa-CL3H0004.jpg

when will they start the construction on the gap between the stands and the pitch?

^^ Is that even necessary? At some point the stands become too close, impairing the views of those up close (hampering side views to the corners) and those up high (unable to see action at the near touchline). Plus if they want to keep any space for people to walk in front of the stands as shown now, they won't want to direct that use closer to the field, as well. So I don't know if any such plans are on the table, but I certainly don't see the need for it.

^^ Is that even necessary? At some point the stands become too close, impairing the views of those up close (hampering side views to the corners) and those up high (unable to see action at the near touchline). Plus if they want to keep any space for people to walk in front of the stands as shown now, they won't want to direct that use closer to the field, as well. So I don't know if any such plans are on the table, but I certainly don't see the need for it.

Building down to field level wouldn't cause the problems you are describing.

It's a problem in some US stadiums because they were designed for the much narrower american football field, but the sightlines there will have all been designed with a soccer field in mind.

I remember for the world cup in Germany, many American fans were disappointed to be allocated tickets for corner seats, as they believed that meant they'd not be able to see all the field.

So I don't know if any such plans are on the table, but I certainly don't see the need for it.

There are such plans to increase the capacity with apr. 2000 seats. When these plans wil be reality is unknown yet.

-edit-
Unknown picture to me. This probably wil be the final expansion:

http://www.fctwente.nu/fotos/fotos/2011/03/grolsch-veste-droom.jpg

There are such plans to increase the capacity with apr. 2000 seats. When these plans wil be reality is unknown yet.

-edit-
Unknown picture to me. This probably wil be the final expansion:

http://www.fctwente.nu/fotos/fotos/2011/03/grolsch-veste-droom.jpg

I believe that plan was for the World Cup Bid. I doubt that Twente will choose this plan now. They will probably go after a smaller capacity with a fully rebuild main stand.

You are right that these plans were made for the WC bid. Nevertheless the chairman recently spoke (http://www.fctwente.nu/fotos/fc-twente/supportersavond.html)of an extension (third phase) in which the stand will be higher than the rest of the stadium. Besides that trains will stop inside the station instead of next to it (so just like in the "old" plans for the WC bid).

VVV Venlo anounced that they will build a new stadium also. The finances as they say are in order. No serious renders at this moment. Personaly and I think I am not the only one, I do not like to see VVV leave the ´Koel´ as it has so much charactar.

Is there some sort of story behind the bizarre nature of those two stands at VVV's stadium?

Stadium De Koel is named after the word "koel" which is local dialect for the ducth word "kuil". And "kuil" means "hole".

When is the expansion going on at the Abe Lenstra stadium of heerenveen?

When is the expansion going on at the Abe Lenstra stadium of heerenveen?

What expansion of Abe Leenstra? There arent any plans as far as I know of.

When is the expansion going on at the Abe Lenstra stadium of heerenveen?

no they were cancelled a few months ago, maybe they will go on with the expanion after 2013

Update Grolsch-Veste (FC Twente):

http://www.fctwente.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2011-05-27-hoa-151.jpg

http://www.fctwente.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2011-05-27-hoa-20.jpg[/

Twente stadium looks fantastic

Does anyone knows what is the lower tier's angle?

true football stadium! very good :)

The Grolsch Veste is becoming a magnificent stadium, once it is finalized the capacity should be approx 40.000 and that would make it the 3rd stadium in capacity in the Netherlands.

FC Twente is really doing proper management for this, and the club is steadily getting bigger and bigger. They are not doing radical changes, hope that they will be able to stay in the top of the league for the coming years.

Joopie!!! The last low side wont be changed yet so for now just over 30000.

Update Grolsch-Veste (FC Twente):

http://www.fctwente.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2011-05-27-hoa-20.jpg[/

Once completed, with a little help from imagination, the ground will conjure up visions of Old Trafford from the early nineties.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/MohamedAchmed/EnglishGrounds/Manchester%20United/103ManUnitedPanorama2CopyRight.jpg

You´ve got a point there. Looks nice by the way the old old trafford.

foto film (not mine) :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMnxvivcH3k

Some new pics from the site fctwente.nl

1.
http://www.fctwente.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/hoa-CL3H0018_.jpg

2.
http://www.fctwente.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/hoa-CL3H0013_.jpg

3.
http://www.fctwente.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/hoa-CL3H0039_.jpg

4.
http://www.fctwente.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/hoa-CL3H0040_.jpg

5.
http://www.fctwente.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/hoa-CL3H0035_.jpg

I see nothing wrong with Madrid or Barca having a debts of 500 milion or so, as long as they can pay the costs of having those debts and paying the bills on time. But when Barca can then it is very strange that Ajax can´t.

They can't though can they? they take out more loans to service the current debt and maybe pay some off by selling off major club assets(with corrupt goverment help) every so often.

Twente stadium is growing fast

New pictures (http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Album=NBEDHLE3?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter) of the extension of the Twente stadium "Grolsch Veste".

http://www.fctwente.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/hoa-CL3H0035_.jpg

Is Steven Defour al op de hoogte gebracht dat zijn beeltenis boven vak P pronkt?

hij lijkt er niet eens op

English please, this is the international section. And no this is not Defour, this is Twente-legend Epi Drost.

And again some new pic's:

1.
http://www.fctwente.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Uitbreiding-Grolsch-Veste-Hoa-1.jpg

2.
http://www.fctwente.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Uitbreiding-Grolsch-Veste-Hoa-25.jpg

3.
http://www.fctwente.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Uitbreiding-Grolsch-Veste-Hoa-52.jpg

More pic's. (http://www.fctwente.nl/nieuws/uitbreiding-krijgt-steeds-meer-vorm-2/)

http://a.yfrog.com/img736/1233/ti0jc.jpg

http://a.yfrog.com/img735/9067/ztxd.jpg

source (http://yfrog.com/kgti0jcj)

http://www.voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=141101

News: SC Heerenveen is finally expanding their stadium again. They will extend thee stands by bridging the canal around the pitch and thus reaching 29,000-30,000 seats. The current canal between the stands and pitch is visible here (http://www.rbconline.nl/images/Abe_Lenstra_Stadion.jpg).

^^Much like what Sporting Lisbon will do.

^^ and also what FC Twente will do next year.

^^ And like NAC Breda already did last year:

http://www.nac.nl/files/IMG_1487.JPG

More: http://www.nac.nl/mediaplayer/?Soort=Bericht_id&Soort_id=33309&Page=0&File_id=25623

News: SC Heerenveen is finally expanding their stadium again. They will extend thee stands by bridging the canal around the pitch and thus reaching 29,000-30,000 seats. The current canal between the stands and pitch is visible here (http://www.rbconline.nl/images/Abe_Lenstra_Stadion.jpg).
What you mean is a trench not a canal.

Didn't Groningen replace their canal/trench too?

Not really.

The Euroborg never had a trench. The distance between pitch and stand was just so big that they lowered the field and created 3 extra rows all around the lower tier. They could add some more cause the distance is still quite big.

I'm not sure Groningen lowered the pitch though. Their stands used to start at about 1,5 meter above field level whereas they now start at ground level.

They didn´t lower the pitch I believe. It´s like you said. It was a bit high and they put three rows down because there was space for it.

new pic's

http://www.fctwente.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/2011-06-30-hoa-19-Kopie.jpg

more pics (http://www.fctwente.nl/nieuws/fotos-uitbreiding-eindresultaat-nadert/)

http://www.fctwente.nu/fotos/wp-content/gallery/GrolschVeste/2011-07-04/DSC_9261.jpg

http://www.fctwente.nu/fotos/wp-content/gallery/GrolschVeste/2011-07-04/DSC_9268.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5155/5905117339_5700662776_z.jpg

Voor meer foto's:

http://tinyurl.com/3c4osjn

new pic's

http://www.fctwente.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/2011-06-30-hoa-19-Kopie.jpg

more pics (http://www.fctwente.nl/nieuws/fotos-uitbreiding-eindresultaat-nadert/)

Fraaie, met wat voor lens heb je deze geschoten?

Update
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6049/5905698514_f439c90aea_b.jpg

Only seats missing (rumors say their will be a delay in delivering the seats)

^^where have you heard that rumour?

Fraaie, met wat voor lens heb je deze geschoten?

It isn't mine, the pics ar from fctwente.nl.

WTF

http://www.qkoegrasei.nl/jochem/grolschveste.jpg[/QUOTE]

http://media.nu.nl/m/m1ezq8manqoc_700.jpg

Part of a Dutch football stadium under renovation in the city of Enschede has collapsed, trapping an unknown number of people under the rubble.

"Part of the roof has collapsed. There are people under the rubble. We don't know how many," a Dutch police spokesman said after the incident at the Dutch top flight club.

The spokesman could not comment on whether anyone was killed or injured. The roof's partial collapse probably was related to construction work at the stadium, he added.

A large number of police, fire brigade and ambulances are heading to or have arrived at the scene, news agency ANP reported.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/07072011/58/world-football-fc-twente-stadium-collapses.html

Twitterpic's

http://a.yfrog.com/img739/6901/ts1a.jpg

http://a.yfrog.com/img737/4007/o3jgm.jpg

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/340041154.png?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1310036917&Signature=8JI2qX4TlJ4GoWFWNQ8vEmaE%2BbE%3D

http://media.nu.nl/m/m1ezq8nasrrm_700.jpg

That's just terrible :(

I hope there are no casualties.

http://www.vi.nl/upload/20065e35-876f-40f2-921d-9f15a2f36c83_twentestadion.JPG

People died....
My club, my city. Why is this happining?

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

R.I.P.

1 dead, 13 injured according to BBC

Another disaster in Enschede :(


Edit - now 2 dead apparently. Just been on the phone to family over there, it seem a crane hit a girder

What a tragedy :cry:

Just read the news ...wow :(

http://media.nu.nl/m/m1ezq90aooav.jpg

red: collapsed roof
purple: extension second stand
grey: existing stand

rest in peace poor people xx

BBC still says one.

RIP to the person(s) who were killed.


Casualties in Dutch FC Twente stadium roof collapse.

FC Twente was expanding the stadium before the start of next season
Part of a stadium roof has collapsed in the Dutch city of Enschede, killing one person and injuring more than a dozen.

The accident happened during building work at the ground of top Dutch football team FC Twente. The victims are thought to be construction workers.

The roof fell on top of a bank of seats behind one of the goals - Dutch media say two girders had buckled.

"It collapsed with a huge noise like a house of cards," a witness told the Dutch news agency ANP.

Firefighter teams and police helicopters were at the scene shortly afterwards. Rescue workers had to free people from the rubble.

Peter den Oudsten, mayor of Enschede, said besides the one person killed, 10 were taken to hospital and three were treated at the scene.

Sniffer dogs were being used to check if anybody else was still trapped, he said.

No match was being played at the time. The stadium - called Grolsch Veste - is being expanded to accommodate 32,000 fans ahead of the autumn season.

Mr Den Oudsten said it was not clear what had caused the accident.



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Latest video of the collapsed roof with commentary from Siebe Brinkhof
However, local media said a crane had driven into the stand.

The club's chairman Joop Munsterman is thought to have left the team's pre-season training camp in Zeeland to return to Enschede.

Club director Jan van Halst said the club "is terribly upset. Our sympathy goes to the victims".

FC Twente are one of the top teams in the Netherlands. In 2010 they won the League One title, and last year came second.

They are playing in the qualifying round of next season's European Champions League and were scheduled to host a match at the Grolsch Veste stadium at the end of July or the beginning of August.


Are you in the area? Did you witness the collapse? If you have any information you would like to share with the BBC you can do so using the form below.

Send your pictures and videos to yourpics@bbc.co.uk or text them to 61124 (UK) or +44 7725 100 100 (International). If you have a large file you can upload here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14063640

sadness...

BBC still says one.

Sorry, it said 2 on News 24's ticker at one point

Second dead is confirmed. A 24 year old constructionworker leaves a wive and 2 kids behind.

Some photos of the unfortunate accident

http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd324/bdpopeye/popeyes%20pix/1-534.jpg

http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd324/bdpopeye/popeyes%20pix/2-1614.jpg

http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd324/bdpopeye/popeyes%20pix/1-1312.jpg

http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd324/bdpopeye/popeyes%20pix/3-1305.jpg

http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd324/bdpopeye/popeyes%20pix/4-196.jpg

A view of the collapsed stadium in Enschede, Netherlands, Thursday, July 7, 2011. A section of a Dutch football stadium collapsed during off-season construction work Thursday, trapping people underneath, police said. No match was being played at the FC Twente stadium at the time of the collapse and those trapped were believed to be workers. Local newspaper De Twentsche Courant, citing unnamed workers at the stadium, reported on its website that 12 people were injured in the accident.

very sad event.

Sad news indeed.

May not be appropriate to ask considering the circumstances, but what happens now in regards to the stadium? Is there going to be a halt in proceedings? With the season just around the corner, have they already revised their targets?

Sad news indeed.

May not be appropriate to ask considering the circumstances, but what happens now in regards to the stadium? Is there going to be a halt in proceedings? With the season just around the corner, have they already revised their targets?
Schalke have offered Twente their stadium to use until it's fixed.

As far as I know, UEFA does not allow teams to play their European home games in another member country. That's why Alemannia Aachen (DE) played in Cologne (DE) and not in nearby Kerkrade (NL) and Twente (NL) in Arnhem (NL) and not in Gelsenkirchen (DE) in recent years. Arnhem and Gelsenkirch are both about the same distance away from Enschede by the way.

I can imagine the Eredivisie games to be played in Gelsenkirchen but Champions League qualifiers in Arnhem. VVV (NL) tried to move their league games against Ajax and PSV to Mönchengladbach (DE) a few years ago. The Dutch FA had no problems with this, nor did Ajax and PSV, but the German authorities eliminated the plan because they were afraid of riots between Dutch and German hooligans.

As far as I know, UEFA does not allow teams to play their European home games in another member country. That's why Alemannia Aachen (DE) played in Cologne (DE) and not in nearby Kerkrade (NL) and Twente (NL) in Arnhem (NL) and not in Gelsenkirchen (DE) in recent years. Arnhem and Gelsenkirch are both about the same distance away from Enschede by the way.


Incorrect, Ajax played their UEFA-cup home-matches in 1991/1992 in Düsseldorf

That was 20 years ago though (rules might have changed). And the only reason they played in Germany was because they had to play at least 150 km away from Amsterdam as punishment for crowd trouble which pretty much means you have no other option than to play abroad (only 3 - at the time crappy - stadiums in Southern Limburg are further than 150 km (as the crow flies) away from Amsterdam).

I has now been confirmed that Twente will play their Champions League qualifier against Vaslui at Gelredome in Arnhem.

Here some pictures of the stadium taken today.

http://tinyurl.com/3d77wjk

My design of 'het Goffertstadion' in Nijmegen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xx680mf8sc

Nice...

(You won´t get more out of me as my club is Vitesse)

http://207.44.228.232/images/B03/3268.jpg

beautiful stadium... I just can't find any video with moving pitch or roof.. Sth like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUs70OZnqpc&feature=related.

EDIT:
Photo when the pitch is probably moving out (or in):
http://www.nieuwslog.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/pags_par1_18.jpg
(photo from http://www.nieuwslog.nl/2011/07/16/fc-twente-wil-in-gelredome-spelen/pags_par1_18/)

Maybe not the fansiest design, but very practical. with the roof open it looks better, specialy while playing the beautifull game ofcourse.

edit, I had to put some photos in

http://i43.tinypic.com/av0ppz.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/vmxjdh.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2hxvcy9.jpg

^^Love this one.

Shame about the supporting pillars in that one stand, though.

About the roof - i'm not an expert, but I think that flat roof would be great (instead of these.. boobs (lol):nuts:)

^^ You don't like boobs? ;)

^^ You don't like boobs? ;)

Sure he does, but not steel boobs :)

Yep, the Dolly Parton Arena it is. :laugh:

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2359/13891415.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/39/13891415.jpg/)

LOLOLOLOL :lol:

Yep, the Dolly Parton Arena it is. :laugh:

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2359/13891415.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/39/13891415.jpg/)

I allways thought it where giant buttcheaks. And that makes the stadium a giant asshole. And what makes it Vitesse when they are in this asshole?

And now serious.

A new state of the art ice skating ring which will replace the old Thialf in Heerenveen became a serious option yesterday. The province of Friesland and the local city council stated yesterday that they see this as the most likely option for the future because the old Thialf is getting to old. Big news in the Netherlands because Speed Ice Skating is highly popular in this country. See Thialf as the Wembley for skating. It will cost about 80 to 100 mln and should last a minimum of 25 years. Capacity is unknown to me.

New place? Next to the Abe Lenstra Stadium, the home stadium of SC Heerenveen.

Some sources in Dutch
http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2698/Sport/article/detail/3076198/2011/12/14/Friesland-wil-nieuw-Thialf-naast-Abe-Lenstrastadion.dhtml
http://nos.nl/artikel/322205-stuurgroep-verkiest-nieuwe-thialf.html

Renders

http://www.urbika.nl/imgs/projects/large/834_thialf-ii.jpg

Note: on the right the facade of the Abe Lenstra Stadium with the proposed new grand stand

Great idea, that will bring more people there.

A little update from Holland:

-Feyenoord's new stadium will probably have a capacity of 63.000. It also seems more realistic that the new stadium will be build next to the old ''Kuip''. I have the feeling that this summer we will know the definitive plan.

-Heracles is going fast in planning a new stadium with a capacity of 15.000. There even are some impressions of Heracles new stadium.

- Fc Twente will go for the 44.000 around 2015. My hope is that they will fill up that ugly trench , that would make it perfect.



So not much happening around here.

Wasn't there a smaller indoor arena going to be built next to the Amsterdam Arena?

Wasn't there a smaller indoor arena going to be built next to the Amsterdam Arena?

Yes

The Ziggo Dome

http://www.ziggodome.nl/belegging/images/content/ziggoDome_3.jpg

http://www.ziggodome.nl/images/fotos/20120127/0825.jpg

http://www.ziggodome.nl/images/fotos/feb_09_2012_31.jpg

It's core purpose is music. Concerts and events. Its design is 100% aimed at that. Sports events will probably be incorporated at some point. The stands hold 9300, but a lot of temporary seats could be added. The floorspace is much bigger than a regular sports arena.