Here's a list off the ten biggest Dutch football stadiums, your opinions please.
Amsterdam ArenA Capacity just over 50.000.
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/amsterdam_arena/120.jpg

De Kuip, Rotterdam Capacity just over 50.000.
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/de_kuip/170.jpg

Philips Stadium, Eindhoven Capacity 36.500
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/philips_stadion/500.jpg

Gelredome, Arnhem Capacity 26.600
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/gelredome/100.jpg

Nieuw Galgenwaard, Utrecht Capacity 21.000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/nieuw_galgenwaard/100.jpg

Parkstad Limburg Stadium, Kerkrade Capacity 19.200
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/parkstad_limburg_stadion/380.jpg

Mycom Stadium, Breda Capacity 17.000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/mycom_stadion/100.jpg

Willem II Stadium, Tilburg Capacity 14.700
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/willem_2_stadion/170.jpg

Abe Lenstra Stadium, Heerenveen Capacity currently expanding to around 25.000 (correct me if I'm wrong)
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/abe_lenstra_stadion/100.jpg

Arke Stadium, Enschede Capacity 13.500 (plans have been made to give the stadium a second tier wich would double the capacity)
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/arke_stadion/260.jpg

All pictures from stadionwelt.de

Cart,

The Abe Lenstra* Stadion's current capacity is 20,400, and according to this site (http://www.sc-heerenveen.nl/web/show/id=59517) maximum capacity would be 21,300.

I think the second tier on the Arke Stadion would extend around 3 sides of the ground. According to FC Twente's official site, this'd take capacity up to 22-23,000.

*Pointless fact - my mum went to school with the daughter of Abe (prnoounced 'Arber') Lenstra, one of Holland's greatest ever players. Lovely bloke, apparently!

Heerenveen, who plays in the Abe Lenstra stadium have jerseys of the brand "us Abe" which is Frisian for "Our Abe".
Abe is not pronounced as Arber but in English as Ahbeh, Arber comes close though.

Cart,

I think holland has bad stadiums, they are very small and ugly compared to stadiums in other sides of the world.

This stadium swill be in the top ten when finished:
The Euroborg Stadium(20.000 capacity) in Groningen.


http://web2.exception.nl/albums/euroborg%3A-maquettes-en-ontwerpen/kl_maq_overzicht.jpg

http://web2.exception.nl/albums/euroborg%3A-maquettes-en-

http://web2.exception.nl/albums/euroborg%3A-maquettes-en-ontwerpen/kl_maq_stadion_vogelvl.jpg

http://web2.exception.nl/albums/euroborg%3A-maquettes-en-ontwerpen/beeld03.jpg

http://web2.exception.nl/albums/euroborg%3A-maquettes-en-ontwerpen/beeld01.jpg


Construction update:
http://img110.echo.cx/img110/3508/luchtfoto25april20054yd.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.nl/grun/grun007.jpg

I'v always wondered, why was De Kuip used for the euro 2000 final rather than the Amsterdam ArenA?

Soufian, dutch stadia are small, but the architecture is verry high. Post me better stadia pix out your country (Marroc).

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/gelredome/100.jpg

This would have to be one of the weirdest stadiums I've seen. Wonder why they didn't build any seats in the corners?

@ Stadiumfuture
http://sports.sina.com.cn/6-12-45251_gelredome-in-arnhem.jpg
The gelredome has an ugly facade imo. And the tribunes are not looking good too imo.
And the Kuip doesn't have a nice facade too imo. Most dutch stadia don't have facades or are just ugly. Like the Philips stadium, it looks like it's a mix of three stadiums.

And to compare the netherlands with Morocco is also wrong, especially if you know that the Netherlands is a much richer country, so it would have enough money to spend on stadia. Another point is that Morocco not my country is. I was born in the netherlands and I live in the netherlands. I'm dutch. En nog veel meer etc. etc.
But if you really want to some Moroccan stadia, her you go:

Moulay Abdellah stadium, Rabat. 52.000 seats
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/africa/morocco/rabat_abdellah.jpg

http://www.morocco-2010.com/en/imgs/stade_rabat11.jpg


Mohammed V stadium, Casablanca. 67.000 seats
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/africa/morocco/casablanca_mohammed_v.jpg

I don't like these stadiums either but at least they are large ;)
And here are some aproved and already u/c Morocan stadia:

Stade de Meknes, 45.000. Construction just started
http://www.morocco-2010.com/en/imgs/stade_meknes11.jpg

Stade de El Jadida, 45.000. Completed 2009
http://www.morocco-2010.com/en/imgs/stade_jadida11.jpg

Stade d'Agadir, 45.000. Construction started in 2003, ready in 2007
http://www.morocco-2010.com/en/imgs/stade_agadir11.jpg

Here comes the real work:
La Grande Stade de Casablanca, 95.000. Construction started in July 2004
The Grand Stade de Casablanca will serve as Morocco’s national stadium. Upon its completion in march of 2009, the Grand Stade will be the most modern and luxurious stadium in Africa.
http://www.morocco-2010.com/en/imgs/stade_2casa11.jpg

Stade de Tangiers, 69.000. Construction started in 2003
http://www.morocco-2010.com/en/imgs/stade_tanger11.jpg

Stade de Marakech, 70.000. Constructon started in 2003
http://www.morocco-2010.com/en/imgs/stade_marrakech11.jpg


I don't think The Netherlands will beat these stadia in the next 20 years ;). So stadiumfuture, please keep your narrow minded thoughts in your head. ;)

All stadia has an atletic-track, but the architecture are verry nice

@ciaobellaxo:

There's a quite similiar stadium in Bessa, Portugal.
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/euro_2004/estadio_do_bessa/images/innen_08.jpg

I like the style of Bessa very much and the Arnhem stadium looks very decent, too.

Dutch stadiums aren't small when compared to the population of their cities really:

Amsterdam: 740,000
Rotterdam: 600,000
Eindhoven: 210,000
Arnhem: 140,000
Utrecht: 275,000
Kerkrade: 50,000
Breda: 170,000
Tilburg: 200,000
Heerenveen: 42,000
Enschede: 150,000

Alot of cities these sizes could only dream of stadiums like that in other countries! Look at france, Italy, Spain, Germany, England.. Almost all the clubs in the 1st divisions are from big cities (with a few exceptions like villareal, kaiserslautern, monaco, auxerre etc.)!

And i don't think most of those stadiums in Morroco will actually be build now that South Africa got the 2010 world cup. Correct me if i'm wrong though, i'd like to see some u/c photo's if i'm wrong!

So stadiumfuture, please keep your narrow minded thoughts in your head.


All these stadums have an athletic track field. Which I think is ugly for Football Matches.

I know, that's just your opinion. Everyone thinks different about everything. But the point was that Stadiumfuture tought that a poor country like Morocco would have badder stadia than the Netherlands, you can judge youurself.

I know, that's just your opinion. Everyone thinks different about everything. But the point was that Stadiumfuture tought that a poor country like Morocco would have badder stadia than the Netherlands, you can judge youurself.


I see Soufian, but I don't think Morocco is a really poor country. Things could be worser and with stadiums over the 40.000 spectators, Morocco is on the brink to organize a future World Cup Tournament, when the continent of Africa will get it.

I'v always wondered, why was De Kuip used for the euro 2000 final rather than the Amsterdam ArenA?

That's what I always ask myself when I hear about it! I think it's a pitty! We should organise the Worldcup as soon as posible, and have the final in Amsterdam!
But otherwise we are lucky to have a decentralised country where this is possible! In France it would be impossible to see such a happening outside Paris.

I'v always wondered, why was De Kuip used for the euro 2000 final rather than the Amsterdam ArenA?

Because De Kuip is a real football stadion and the ArenA is not more than a functional sporting hall ;)

Because De Kuip is a real football stadion and the ArenA is not more than a functional sporting hall ;)

Although I agree on that one, this is not the reason for UEFA to choose Rotterdam as venue for the final. In Rotterdam, they like to tell so, but it is not true.

UEFA was very interested in modern stadia like the Arena and Gelredome (and still is) , and it was commonly expected that the final would come to Amsterdam, but Rotterdam simply offered a higher bid than Amsterdam. An offer they could not refuse...

Rotterdam was used because it just is the best football stadium, the ArenA is nice as well but the Kuijp breathes football. The ArenA does not.

I think holland has bad stadiums, they are very small and ugly compared to stadiums in other sides of the world.

I know, that's just your opinion. Everyone thinks different about everything. But the point was that Stadiumfuture tought that a poor country like Morocco would have badder stadia than the Netherlands, you can judge youurself.

You are only thinking in quantity not quality, For example Tilburg, Breda, Eindhoven and Rotterdam are all very close to each other so one can not expect stadia with capacities over 50.000 every 30 to 40 kilometres, it just doesn't work that way.
For example New York has the Yankee stadium in a city of millions, Paris has the Stade de France in a city of millions, Milan has San Siro (or Guisseppe Meazza) in a city of millions.

And I personally really hate a track in football stadiums, the crowd has to sit meters away from the pitch which is not good for the football atmosphere.
So most of them are small, but very goodlooking. Especially if you compare them to bigger stadiums in other countries.

As for morocco it seems they are making the same mistake as Portugal did, building use stadiums which only get used for big events but the rest of the year stay empty. Waste of money if you ask me.

Cart,

The Moroccan football leauge is very vibrant. There are many fans and stadia ar too small now, so they need bigger stadia. And these stadia are not build for big events, because the next chance for Morocco to host a big event is maybe in 2034 or something.

@ Stadiumfuture
http://sports.sina.com.cn/6-12-45251_gelredome-in-arnhem.jpg
The gelredome has an ugly facade imo. And the tribunes are not looking good too imo.
And the Kuip doesn't have a nice facade too imo. Most dutch stadia don't have facades or are just ugly. Like the Philips stadium, it looks like it's a mix of three stadiums.

And to compare the netherlands with Morocco is also wrong, especially if you know that the Netherlands is a much richer country, so it would have enough money to spend on stadia. Another point is that Morocco not my country is. I was born in the netherlands and I live in the netherlands. I'm dutch. En nog veel meer etc. etc.
But if you really want to some Moroccan stadia, her you go:

Moulay Abdellah stadium, Rabat. 52.000 seats
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/africa/morocco/rabat_abdellah.jpg

http://www.morocco-2010.com/en/imgs/stade_rabat11.jpg


Mohammed V stadium, Casablanca. 67.000 seats
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/africa/morocco/casablanca_mohammed_v.jpg

I don't like these stadiums either but at least they are large ;)
And here are some aproved and already u/c Morocan stadia:

Stade de Meknes, 45.000. Construction just started
http://www.morocco-2010.com/en/imgs/stade_meknes11.jpg

Stade de El Jadida, 45.000. Completed 2009
http://www.morocco-2010.com/en/imgs/stade_jadida11.jpg

Stade d'Agadir, 45.000. Construction started in 2003, ready in 2007
http://www.morocco-2010.com/en/imgs/stade_agadir11.jpg

Here comes the real work:
La Grande Stade de Casablanca, 95.000. Construction started in July 2004
The Grand Stade de Casablanca will serve as Morocco’s national stadium. Upon its completion in march of 2009, the Grand Stade will be the most modern and luxurious stadium in Africa.
http://www.morocco-2010.com/en/imgs/stade_2casa11.jpg

Stade de Tangiers, 69.000. Construction started in 2003
http://www.morocco-2010.com/en/imgs/stade_tanger11.jpg

Stade de Marakech, 70.000. Constructon started in 2003
http://www.morocco-2010.com/en/imgs/stade_marrakech11.jpg


I don't think The Netherlands will beat these stadia in the next 20 years ;). So stadiumfuture, please keep your narrow minded thoughts in your head. ;)

all those stadiums are fucking ugly, this tread is over stadiums in the netrherlands, not about those stadiums.

Although I agree on that one, this is not the reason for UEFA to choose Rotterdam as venue for the final. In Rotterdam, they like to tell so, but it is not true.

UEFA was very interested in modern stadia like the Arena and Gelredome (and still is) , and it was commonly expected that the final would come to Amsterdam, but Rotterdam simply offered a higher bid than Amsterdam. An offer they could not refuse...


uhm maybe also because de kuip = FOOTBALL and the kuip has a bigger capacity?

The UEFA doesn't give a crap about that. And the arena has a larger capacity. Especially with the amount of empty sections at de Kuip at big matches.

I like the Stadiums in Rotterdam and Eindhoven.
The Guestcage in Philips Stadion can´t accepted,it´s horrible.
I was there when Borussia Dortmund played.
PSV-Dortmund 1-3 :) :)

@ New York Yankee: Someone asked me to post some Moroccan stadia.

The only thing UEFA cares for is money. Therefore it was expected that the EURO 2000 final was played in Amsterdam.

After all, modern stadia like the Arena or Gelredome are better money-generating-machines than old stadia like De Kuip. The commercial and media facilities are better and the same can be said about the catering.

But the city of Rotterdam wanted to pay much more (up to three times, I heard) than Amsterdam for that final. That made changing their preference a lot easier for UEFA.

Soufian, dutch stadia are small, but the architecture is verry high. Post me better stadia pix out your country (Marroc).

He didn't say that there are better stadiums in Morocco, don't you speak English? Yes in many countries the stadiums are better then the Dutch ones, so what? :|

Grow up..

i've heard about a possible new stadium for feyenoord in the future ( 75000 seats ) , what's about it , any infos ?

Nothing concrete yet, but in 2020 there should be a new stadium as de Kuip will have grown to be too old by that time. It might get build a bit earlier if the Netherlands succeed to have the 2018 World Cup played in NL.

Latest news is that the most likely location is Varkenoord, just across the road from de Kuip.

the kerkrade one is really nice (it's the only one ia saw )

the 4 lamp posts are Tall (compared to the rest )

+ it's in the middle of nowhere (except run down projects that look bad )

Amsterdam ArenA. A big stadium/arena for concerts, soccer, american football and other 'little' indoor events.
http://img262.echo.cx/img262/598/tnp20208898rr.jpg

http://img262.echo.cx/img262/4292/tnp20208849zz.jpg

Stade de Marakech, 70.000. Constructon started in 2003

http://www.morocco-2010.com/en/imgs/stade_marrakech11.jpg


One of my favourite designs.

@ Soufian

Ofcourse Dutch stadiums are small in general when you think of 'm in the line of Bernabeu, San Siro, Camp Nou, Wembley, Stade de France. But do you really think that if Spain, France or Italy had the same amount of people as the Netherlands has, their stadiums would be a lot bigger? No way!

I think they would even be smaller, considering the Netherlands has one of the highest spectator rates in Europe. SC Heerenveen is thinking of expanding to 28000. The city of Heerenveen itsself has only 41000 people.

And saying the Kuip has an ugly facade? That proves to me that you don't know shit about football or football in relation to history.

A bit static but otherwise nice.

carfentanyl, you can say Westfalenstadion with this big stadiums too.
The spectator average is attached over 75,000 and sometimes 83.000 come and it sells of. That´s europes best average,and with the stadiums n berlin,munich it´s maybe the 2nd best after england in germany.

@magicks

Ehhh... What are you talking about? I don't understand what your point is. Or are you just 'upset' that I didn't mention Westfalen Stadium in my list of big ones?

yes you should mention it because it has the biggest average in europe,there are always over 75.000.

We were talking about beautiful stadiums too, that's why I didn't mention it. Who thinks of Westfalen when you talk about Europe's top stadiums? It's an average stadium, only the capacity isn't. And I even doubt it has the biggest average of Europe...

@ New York Yankee: Someone asked me to post some Moroccan stadia.

why you didn't made a new tread about 'moroccan stadia's'

^ Come on, it's obvious he would post them here, cause that's where the discussion is.

i don´t know a dutch stadium which is better than Westfalenstadion,AOL-Arena,Allianz-Arena and Schalke Arena.They are all better than the dutch top 3.

^ That wasn't the issue here, and besides our view on what a great stadium is differs a lot.

I personally think De Kuip is better than or at least equal to those three, because

A. It's football history since 1937
B. It's not an arena with a retractable roof
C. The view on the pitch is excellent from any position
D. It has great acoustics
E. It's situated right in the city and not in some lonely suburb
F. It's a real football stadium
G. Even more reasons

Sure Allianz is large and spectacular, but so grey from the inside, and I don't care much for the outside too. It doesn't look like a stadium. Then I do like Bernabeu or San Siro a lot better. Arena auf Schalke is a less spectacular copy of the Amsterdam Arena. Westfalen, still, in my opinion ugly from the inside, plain from the outside. Nothing special, except size. I have to admit that I really do like the AOL Arena. That one comes close, it only misses the history.

The UEFA probably share my opinion in a way, considering De Kuip has hosted the most UEFA finals in history. They had a total of 10. Last one being 2002 in which Feyenoord beat Dortmund!

http://www.feyenoordinternet.tweakdsl.nl/wp/images/wallpaper003.jpg

http://www.feyenoordinternet.tweakdsl.nl/wp/images/wallpaper004.jpg

http://home.planet.nl/~lansb048/download/pics/wall02_800.jpg

http://www.fcbaranovichi.com/koren/kuip2.jpeg

Amsterdam Arena is a top class stadium - it's always the stadium I think of when people mention covered stadia. Rotterdam and Eindhoven look OK although more pics would be good. The rest are probably a bit too small capacity wise to get too excited about - although, I know in England some of the 15,000 - 25,000 stadia generate some madly passionate atmospheres (underdog mentality!!)

Soufian - will you shut up about Morrocco.

^ The Amsterdam Arena was the first in Europe to have a retractable roof like that. personally I don't like retractable roofs, and even a lot of Ajax-supporters seem to dislike their own stadium. Still, the structure itsself is nicely done, I just don't like it as a stadium.

http://www.id-t.com/people-pix/2003-07-05-sensation-white/pictures/112.jpg

http://sports.sina.com.cn/6-12-45249_amsterdam-arena1.jpg

After Feyenoord's stadium De Kuip, I like the PSV stadium second best in the Netherlands:

http://www.psv.nl/upload/45431_296_1065775377806-luchtfoto2002_liggend385.jpg

i really like the architecture of the Amsterdam Arena.

Has de Kuip always looked like it does now; or has it been modernized during the last years?

In '94 they built skyboxes and business seats (:() Also a roof was built. It became an all-seater and all the existing seats were replaced by new blue plastic ones. They removed a lot of gates and fences. Some fences were replaced by plexiglass ones. They build a concrete moat around the pitch, and they made stands behind the goals underneath the first tier.

From '37 to '94 it looked like this:

http://www.pureketamine.com/scc/kuipold.jpg

Now like this:

http://www.pureketamine.com/scc/dekuip.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/De_Kuip2.jpg

I kinda like the big fences with all the banners attached to 'm. I was 17 when they rebuilt the stadium, but I can still remember well the sound of barking police dogs and the smell of marihuana, urine and sausages. Now the smell of marihuana is only left. Ohhh... sweet nostalgia... :D

http://members.chello.nl/t.meesters/H199293-F-AJAX-02.jpg

http://members.chello.nl/t.meesters/T-46.jpg

I kinda like the big fences with all the banners attached to 'm. I was 17 when they rebuilt the stadium, but I can still remember well the sound of barking police dogs and the smell of marihuana, urine and sausages. Now the smell of marihuana is only left. Ohhh... sweet nostalgia... :D


What happened to the sausages? :)

^ They replaced all the stands for one big caterer some years ago, the evil Ron Koebrugge! Well, since recently they sell 'Broodje Unox' which brought back the sausage into the stadium. But the stricter regulations didn't make the smell come back.

Such a shame... :D

http://sports.sina.com.cn/6-12-45249_amsterdam-arena1.jpg

AMSTERDAM ARENA

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_business/images/news/amsterdam_arena_565.jpg

http://www.soccerstadiums.homestead.com/files/arena13.jpg

http://www.dapprestrijders.nl/images/arena_aero.gif

http://www.swart-amsterdam.nl/allelucht/Amsterdam/zuidAs/image/sms02.09.507.10.jpg

http://www.swart-amsterdam.nl/allelucht/Amsterdam/zuidAs/image/sms02.09.507.4.jpg

http://www.swart-amsterdam.nl/allelucht/Amsterdam/zuidAs/image/sms02.09.507.1.jpg

Stpid people.....to compare this stadium with Allianz Arena. This is a very decent stadium!

http://www.sportsvenue-technology.com/projects/amsterdam_arena/images/2_Img0004.jpg

De Kuip, Rotterdam

http://www.burow3.nl/luchtswart/rotterdam/image/03.10.565.3.a4.jpg

http://www.burow3.nl/luchtswart/rotterdam/image/03.10.565.2.a4.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/De_Kuip2.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/De_Kuip_UEFA.jpeg

PHILIPS Stadion, Eindhoven

http://www.traumliga.de/psv-stadion001.jpg

http://stadiony.igol.pl/pictures/holland/philips_stadion/philips_stadion07.jpg

Update for the newest (soccer)stadiums in Holland.

AZ Alkmaar Stadium

Will open in the soccer season 2006/2007. Looks a bit like like the stadium of Feijenoord, but then smaller. Cappacity: 13.500 visitors.

(Bron: www.zwarts.jansma.nl)

http://www.zwarts.jansma.nl/image/1004.735-770-542-1.jpg

http://www.zwarts.jansma.nl/image/1004.742-770-542-1.jpg

http://www.zwarts.jansma.nl/image/1004.743-770-543-1.jpg

Photo of the building rightnow. (Bron: www.azfanpage.nl)

http://www.azfanpage.nl/downloads/fotos/ed/bouw-stadion/stadion-0087.JPG

ADO Den Haag Stadium

Capabel of inviting 15.000 visitors.

http://www.zwarts.jansma.nl/image/1004.806-770-420-1.jpg

http://www.zwarts.jansma.nl/image/1004.809-770-525-1.jpg

http://www.zwarts.jansma.nl/image/1004.808-770-525-1.jpg

SC Heerenveen Stadium - Abe Lenstra stadium

SC Heerenveen is extending their stadium for 14.400 visitors to 26.000 visitors. There will also be a new indoor sports arena and sportschool.

The old situation:

http://www.vi.nl/assets_tracker/kolom_d/heerenveen02.jpg

The future situation: (Bron: www.alynia-architecten.nl)

http://www.alynia-architecten.nl/projecten/images/sport04/03.jpg

http://www.alynia-architecten.nl/projecten/images/sport04/01.jpg

FC Groningen Stadium - Euroborg

New stadium with the capacity of 20.000 visitors. Is finished last week.

The plan:

http://hpbimg.euroborggroningen.com/langezijde.jpg

http://hpbimg.euroborggroningen.com/sky.jpg

The stadium rightnow:

http://hpbimg.euroborggroningen.com/sept2005euroborg%20(69).JPG

http://hpbimg.euroborggroningen.com/sept2005euroborg%20(51).JPG

http://hpbimg.euroborggroningen.com/BIOSCOOP100%20(11).JPG

wow there tiny.

a bit like your cock, so your mother says

they build the stadiums to meet the demand, and for their size, i think they are not too bad.

a bit like your cock, so your mother says

its not what your mum says ;)

Nice overview Gerald182! I especially like the new stadium of FC Groningen, it will have a real English flavour with the stands real close to the pitch. Also the future stadium of SC Heerenveen will be impressive, not only because of the looks, but also because of the fact that every match will be sold out, which means 26.000 visitors, and the city of Heerenveen has only 30.000 inhabitants!

Wow, dutch stadiums are simply perfect : no megalomania, just the right capacity and always closed arenas which gives the impression that the stadium is bigger than it is actually. I wish french soccer teams (in medium-sized cities like Auxerre or in big second division and third division clubs) had the same venues !....I mean, the AZ Alkmaar Stadium is simply amazing considering the small capacity. Cities like Pau, Clermont-Ferrand, Rouen (which is now in 4th division but which really could tend to 2nd or first div.) and even Le Havre, Auxerre, Bastia, Ajaccio, Le Mans etc. deserve stadiums like these. Some of our L1 clubs have medium sized stadiums with one or two huge stands. It's the case in Metz for example and the result is : windy, cold, boring architecture...

Not Sochaux, though, or Nancy, they very much remind me of Dutch stadiums.

And don't be too hard on French venues - Nantes, Bordeaux, PSG and Monaco are some of my very favourite grounds and instantly recognisable.

i like the ceiling of that 1st stadium, red is an awkward choice, but thats good cuz its brave

I love Holland. They are my fav football team. I am so glad Marco Van Basten is coaching the national team

Nice overview Gerald182! I especially like the new stadium of FC Groningen, it will have a real English flavour with the stands real close to the pitch. Also the future stadium of SC Heerenveen will be impressive, not only because of the looks, but also because of the fact that every match will be sold out, which means 26.000 visitors, and the city of Heerenveen has only 30.000 inhabitants!

Thank you, Djurbus!
The Euroborg stadium is also one of my favorites, the crowd is almost on the field. More pictures of the stadium of Heerenveen are coming tommorow, because i'm going to take a look there.

Thank you for your overview Gerald! Maybe it is also nice to mention here that there are plans to extend the capacity of the 'Kuip', home of Feyenoord, upto 72.000 seats.

Check this link: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=5277971&postcount=3

Extend or build a new venue? Judging by the pics, it's going to be the latter.

Here are some pictures of the Abe Lenstra Stadium in Heerenveen rightnow:

http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/2037/dscf00035nk.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00035nk.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/7995/dscf00061ks.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00061ks.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/4902/dscf00110ak.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00110ak.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/3771/dscf00138er.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00138er.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/5153/dscf00168ci.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00168ci.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/998/dscf00286kl.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00286kl.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/6986/dscf00299dy.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00299dy.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/6098/dscf00332yn.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00332yn.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/8634/dscf00450hu.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00450hu.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/2851/dscf00465os.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00465os.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/1279/dscf00479aj.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00479aj.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/3821/dscf00502qq.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00502qq.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/419/dscf00523jx.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00523jx.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/597/dscf00613lu.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00613lu.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/1835/dscf00637ed.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00637ed.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/2024/dscf00714xv.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00714xv.jpg)

And the next pictures are from The Galgenwaard in Utrecht. This stadium was improved last year.

http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/7218/dscf01144nt.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf01144nt.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/5369/dscf01243ot.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf01243ot.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/4747/dscf01257qp.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf01257qp.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/3410/dscf01278kf.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf01278kf.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/2605/dscf01314qx.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf01314qx.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/6025/dscf01377pd.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf01377pd.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/3570/dscf01395ti.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf01395ti.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/1766/dscf01505gh.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf01505gh.jpg) http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/8821/dscf01552tq.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf01552tq.jpg)

I think the stadium of Utrecht is one of the most beautiful stadiums in Europe, in it's class.
Does anyone have more pictures of new stadiums of construction pictures in Holland?

I took al these pictures today.

Absolutely stunning pictures Gerald182! I've been once in the FC Utrecht stadium when it was not finished, but I have to return real soon because it looks amazing now! Also the SC Heerenveen stadium becomes really impressive, and I think the Dutch clubs are doing well to expand en rebuild their stadiums because it generates more money so the Dutch league will be even more attractive. Gerald182, maybe you can go to the nearly completed FC Groningen stadium soon, or to the AZ Alkmaar stadium which is under construction? Would be nice because these pics are absolutely great!

Admit it. Don't you all like the Dutch stadiums because of our realism? We have some kind of philosophy about stadiums, which is really simple. Why build an 70.000 seats stadium if you only sell it out for one game per season? (Juventus)So that's why they're quite small. I'll give you a top ten in size. Enjoy!

1. Amsterdam Arena, Amsterdam
51 859 seats

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Amsterdam_ArenA2.jpg
http://www.sportfotoside.nl/afs/fnoord/HPIM2236.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_business/images/news/amsterdam_arena_565.jpg


2. De Kuip, Rotterdam
51 137 seats

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/De_Kuip2.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/De_Kuip5.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/De_Kuip_A.jpg


3. Philipsstadion, Eindhoven
35 119 seats

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Philipsstadion.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Philipsstadion2.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Philipsstadion_A3.jpg


4. DSB-stadion, Alkmaar
30 000 seats
This one's a little hard to explain. AZ Alkmaar is currently building their new stadium, but it has 17 000 seats. The demand is huge; the new season the stadium's entirely sold out at season tickets. The big boss of AZ said that they would build a second tier (30 000 seats ) if the waiting list contained 3000 people, which was reached today. So at the pics, imagine the second tier, which will be ready a season later, summer 2007.

http://www.az.nl/db/WAS43d0ff83459f8/AZ_Stadion_355.jpg
http://www.az.nl/db/WAS43d100c2cf8ba/AZ_Stadion_362.jpg


5. Gelredome, Arnhem
26 600 seats

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Gelredome.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Gelredome4.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Gelredome_A.jpg


6. Abe Lenstra Stadion, Heerenveen
currently 21 600 seats, being expanded from 14 000 to 28 000

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Abe_Lenstra4.jpg
http://www.azfanpage.nl/downloads/sch-az/26.jpg
http://www.feanfans.nl/images/stadion.jpg


7. Nieuw Galgenwaard, Utrecht
24 426 seats

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Nieuw_Galgenwaard.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Nieuw_Galgenwaard5.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Nieuw_Galgenwaard_A.jpg

8. Euroborg Stadion, Groningen
20 000 seats

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Euroborg5.jpg
http://www.nos.nl/nosstudiosport/images/euroborg_tcm45-210191.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Euroborg3.jpg

9. Parkstad Limburg, Kerkrade
19 200 seats

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Parkstad_Limburg2.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Parkstad_Limburg3.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Parkstad_Limburg_A.jpg

10. MyCom Stadion, Breda
17 064 seats

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/MyCom2.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/MyCom3.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/MyCom4.jpg

Realism is nice, but it its better if that reality is rather more impressive than it is in the Netherlands.

WOW! the Ajax stadium looks like a giant casino boat floating down river!

its incredible when you consider just how strong PSV are at the moment with a moderate stadium in a small city. Infact, its remarkable just how strong the Dutch football is, Hats off!

4. DSB-stadion, Alkmaar
30 000 seats
This one's a little hard to explain. AZ Alkmaar is currently building their new stadium, but it has 17 000 seats. The demand is huge; the new season the stadium's entirely sold out at season tickets. The big boss of AZ said that they would build a second tier (30 000 seats ) if the waiting list contained 3000 people, which was reached today. So at the pics, imagine the second tier, which will be ready a season later, summer 2007.

http://www.az.nl/db/WAS43d0ff83459f8/AZ_Stadion_355.jpg
http://www.az.nl/db/WAS43d100c2cf8ba/AZ_Stadion_362.jpg


That is great news! Are there any renders as to how it would look with the 2nd tier?

Realism is nice, but then there's the likes of Twente who've been packed out for ages. Just think of the revenue they've missed out on if they had made it a bit bigger.

The best stadiums in Europe by far.

Realism is nice, but then there's the likes of Twente who've been packed out for ages. Just think of the revenue they've missed out on if they had made it a bit bigger.

Twente's going to build a second tier in about two years:

Currently: 13 500 seats
http://www.twentefans.nl/images/arkestadion/5.jpg

Going to be: 27 000 seats
http://www.twentefans.nl/images/arkestadion/4.jpg

That is great news! Are there any renders as to how it would look with the 2nd tier?

Nope, not yet.

WOW! the Ajax stadium looks like a giant casino boat floating down river!

its incredible when you consider just how strong PSV are at the moment with a moderate stadium in a small city. Infact, its remarkable just how strong the Dutch football is, Hats off!

Yep, but PSV's making huge debts because of their stadium.

The best stadiums in Europe by far.

now steady on ol' chum

Surely PSV have the support to fill a third 50 thousand seater? They must be selling out every game at the moment

Dutch stadiums are very, very modern, as is the Netherlands in general. Superb stadiums for a small country. I love Utrechts stadium.

The Amsterdam Arena is massive from the outside as the pitch level is actually above the base level of the stadium. At ground level is a huge car park. I go to Amsterdam twice a year and always take in an Ajax game. Great club. Very modern stadium with amazing facilities. Quite far out from the centre of Amsterdam, but transport is good and you cannot get a better city to relax in during the summer. Everybody, like the Germans, speaks perfect English.

Surely PSV have the support to fill a third 50 thousand seater? They must be selling out every game at the momentWe do sell out every game, actually. But as the stadium has been expanded gradually over the last 15 years, this is the biggest capacity we've ever had. 36.000 is just fine at the moment, imo. The club are on a high right now, and while PSV fans have always been very loyal, we'll have to see what happens when results start to worsen.

And besides, PSV are still paying off the current stadium. The current loan turns out to be quite a burden on the club. Perhaps in another 10 to 15 years time, we can start to think again about an expansion, if necessary.

De Kuip is starting to look a bit dated really.

De Kuip is starting to look a bit dated really.

It certainly is. There are some starting plans for a 70 000 seater, but it's the question whether they'll fill it or not, With their 50 000 seater they only get 35 000 - 40 000 visitors per game.

We do sell out every game, actually. But as the stadium has been expanded gradually over the last 15 years, this is the biggest capacity we've ever had. 36.000 is just fine at the moment, imo. The club are on a high right now, and while PSV fans have always been very loyal, we'll have to see what happens when results start to worsen.

And besides, PSV are still paying off the current stadium. The current loan turns out to be quite a burden on the club. Perhaps in another 10 to 15 years time, we can start to think again about an expansion, if necessary.

Agreed, but it's very easy for PSV to expand, the upper corners are left empty.

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Philipsstadion_UEFA.jpeg

But they already expanded from 30 000 to 35 000 a couple of years ago didn't they?

But since the costs for the stadium are way too high, why not filling up the corners so they can get the extra money?

Twente's going to build a second tier in about two years:

Currently: 13 500 seats
http://www.twentefans.nl/images/arkestadion/5.jpg

Going to be: 27 000 seats
http://www.twentefans.nl/images/arkestadion/4.jpg
I knew they had plans to add a second tier but I didn't know there is a firm timescale now, so thanks for that. Shame it's still not going to be for a couple of years.

Double Post

Agreed, but it's very easy for PSV to expand, the upper corners are left empty.

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Philipsstadion_UEFA.jpeg

But they already expanded from 30 000 to 35 000 a couple of years ago didn't they?

But since the costs for the stadium are way too high, why not filling up the corners so they can get the extra money?Those two corners you mention are actually stands. The one on the left is the 'away'-section. The one on the right is a family stand. They're steel structures. On non-matchdays, the outsides of those corners can be opened to let wind pass through it. This enables the pitch to grow better.

There's nothing wrong with De Kuip. Great atmosphere, no restricted views, fans close to the pitch and a bit of character (unlike the boring generic modern 30-40000 stadiums you see in some countries). I also love the traditional floodlights. Shame that it's filled with Feyenoord fans though - I hate them!!

The Amsterdam ArenA is the nicest of the netherlands in my honest opinion.

Those two corners you mention are actually stands. The one on the left is the 'away'-section. The one on the right is a family stand. They're steel structures. On non-matchdays, the outsides of those corners can be opened to let wind pass through it. This enables the pitch to grow better.

Ah, that's nice. I searched and found this picture and you're right.

http://www.hbmbau.de/_HBM/Album/be88d5ca-5a8d-4782-ac59-14a75e45145c.jpg

I also like the Amsterdam arena the most....As for them being the best stadiums in europe...I don't quite agree with that. ;)

nice stadiums. i like the heerenveenstadium and the euroborgstadium the most

Just to show you that it's not all football - well many of the stadiums posted are used for other kinds of events as well actually.

Thialf ice-skating stadium, Heerenveen.
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/9568/800pxwksprint2006thialf5bd.jpg

Phillipstadion is crap. I like Utrecht's and Breda's the most, perfect small stadiums

Philips is also a small stadium ;)

how come the dutch have so much nice stadiums compare to other countrys like belgium or italy

how come the dutch have so much nice stadiums compare to other countrys like belgium or italy

During the nineties, many Dutch stadiums were old and ugly. So, many new stadiums were build or existing ones were rebuild or renovated. Nowadays, most Dutch clubs in the 2 professional divisions have modern stadiums, athough often quite small. The few remaining without a modern stadium are currently busy getting one (AZ Alkmaar, Den Haag). This new stadium boom has resulted in bigger attendances.
As a result, some of these mid-nineties stadiums are too small already and are being enlarged (Heerenveen) or are planned too (Twente, NEC Nijmegen). The recently opened Euroborg in Groningen is already too small as every game is a sell-out.

Belgium has a lot of crappy stadiums because it is far less professional than Dutch football which also results in a lot less money. The difference in quality between the Dutch and Belgian stadiums used for Euro 2000 was quite shocking.

I don't know why Italy has so many crappy stadiums. Might have something to do with the fact that most Italian clubs are enormously in debt. I believe there are quite some new stadium or renovation projects going on in Italy at the moment (Juventus, Torino, Lazio).

....

never mind...

They're deffinitley not the best stadiums in the world, I much prefer English and Spanish and German stadiums, but there is still something real and wholesome about these Dutch stadiums! I especially like the Amsterdam stadium, looks really impressive from the outside!

:cheers:

Italian stadia were built largely with the Italia90 in mind. So they were under construction in the late 1980's and like big hair they dated really badly.
Plus many are city owned so the club has little say in renovations.

Today the Dutch football federation, the KNVB, announced the following four stadiums to host the European Championship Under -21 in 2007:

Gelredome
Arnhem
SBV Vitesse
*Also host for EURO 2000*

29.600 seats

http://www.peru.com/futbol/especial/eurocopa2000/fotos/estadios/gelredome.jpg

http://www.ajax-usa.com/teams/assets/VitesseGelredome-1.jpg

Abe Lenstra Stadion
Heerenveen
SC Heerenveen
*Currently undergoing expansion*

26.800 seats (21.600 at the moment)

http://www.aeolian.nl/images/Luchtfoto%20Abe%20Lenstra%20stadion.jpg

Euroborg
Groningen
FC Groningen
*To host the final*

20.500 seats

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/stadion_euroborg/100.jpg

http://hpbimg.euroborggroningen.com/aanzicht.jpg

McDos Goffertstadion
Nijmegen
NEC Nijmegen

12.500 seats

http://www.stadiumguide.com/goffert2.jpg

N.E.C. Nijmegen is adding a second tier to their stadium, making it about 26.000 seats. Dutch Top Ten with construction:

1. Amsterdam Arena, Amsterdam
52.000 seats

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/amsterdam_arena/160.jpg


2. De Kuip, Rotterdam
51.000 seats

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/de_kuip/150.jpg


3. Philips Stadion, Eindhoven
37.000 seats

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/philips_stadion/440.jpg


4. Gelredome, Arnhem
30.000 seats

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/gelredome/130.jpg


5. DSB Stadion, Alkmaar
30.000 seats
(under construction)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/neubau/fotos/kooimeerplaza/200.jpg


6. Abe Lenstrastadion, Heerenveen
28.000 seats
(under construction, currently 21.000 seats)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/abe_lenstra_stadion/180.jpg


7. Arkestadion, Enschede
27.000 seats
(under construction, currently 13.500 seats)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/arke_stadion/280.jpg


8. De Goffert, Nijmegen
26.000 seats
(under construction, currently 12.500 seats)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/de_goffert/120.jpg


9. Nieuw Galgenwaard, Utrecht
24.000 seats

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/nieuw_galgenwaard/100.jpg

10. Euroborg Stadion, Groningen
20.000 seats

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED/Euroborg3.jpg

Why oh Why do the Europeans on the forum ALWAYS exaggerate their stadium capacities???

Alkmaar are NOT building a 30000 stadium, it will be 16000. Here are the true capacities of the Dutch Stadiums -

Amsterdam - 51859
Feyenoord - 51480
Philipsstadion - 35119, NOT 37000
Vitesse Arnhem - 26600, NOT 30000
Arkestadion Enschede upgrade (work not started) - 28000
De Goffert Nijmegen (no definite upgrade plans) - 12470, NOT 26000
Heerenveen upgrade - 26000, NOT 28000
Utrecht - 24426
Euroborg - 20000
Alkmaar new stadium - 16000, NOT 30000

Still very good stadiums, but why is it only UK posters actually state the true capacities of their stadiums?

Why oh Why do the Europeans on the forum ALWAYS exaggerate their stadium capacities???

Alkmaar are NOT building a 30000 stadium, it will be 16000. Here are the true capacities of the Dutch Stadiums -

Amsterdam - 51859
Feyenoord - 51480
Philipsstadion - 35119, NOT 37000
Vitesse Arnhem - 26600, NOT 30000
Arkestadion Enschede upgrade (work not started) - 28000
De Goffert Nijmegen (no definite upgrade plans) - 12470, NOT 26000
Heerenveen upgrade - 26000, NOT 28000
Utrecht - 24426
Euroborg - 20000
Alkmaar new stadium - 16000, NOT 30000

Still very good stadiums, but why is it only UK posters actually state the true capacities of their stadiums?


Philips Stadion 35.200 (www.psv.nl)
Vitesse 29.600 (www.gelredome.nl)
SC Heerenveen 21.600-26.800 (www.sc-heerenveen.nl/www.stadionwelt.de)
AZ 17.000-17.500 (according to one of the stadium constructors, in an e-mail he sent me) and is (most) likely to be extended to some 30.000 to 32.000 seats.

Philips Stadion 35.200 (www.psv.nl)
Vitesse 29.600 (www.gelredome.nl)
SC Heerenveen 21.600-26.800 (www.sc-heerenveen.nl/www.stadionwelt.de)
AZ 17.000-17.500 (according to one of the stadium constructors, in an e-mail he sent me) and is (most) likely to be extended to some 30.000 to 32.000 seats.

Alkmaar may be extended in the future, but that applies to almost any stadium. At the moment, it is being built for 16000 seats.

Gelredome holds 26600 for soccer matches.

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/index.php?template=stadionlisten&land=Niederlande

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED.html

Why oh Why do the Europeans on the forum ALWAYS exaggerate their stadium capacities???

Alkmaar are NOT building a 30000 stadium, it will be 16000. Here are the true capacities of the Dutch Stadiums -

Amsterdam - 51859
Feyenoord - 51480
Philipsstadion - 35119, NOT 37000
Vitesse Arnhem - 26600, NOT 30000
Arkestadion Enschede upgrade (work not started) - 28000
De Goffert Nijmegen (no definite upgrade plans) - 12470, NOT 26000
Heerenveen upgrade - 26000, NOT 28000
Utrecht - 24426
Euroborg - 20000
Alkmaar new stadium - 16000, NOT 30000

Still very good stadiums, but why is it only UK posters actually state the true capacities of their stadiums?

*sigh* why is reading so hard? I explained the AZ 17.000->30.000 thing on the first page.

N.E.C. has revealed plans to expand this week in a Dutch football magazine called Voetbal International.

Sorry I was wrong at Heerenveen, it's going to be 27.000.

PSV Stadion is 36.500 = 37.000 wounded up.

Utrecht = 24.000 wounded up.

Enschede = starting to build in the summerstop and next season.

Rotterdam = 51.000 wounded up.

Amsterdam = 52.000 wounded up.

So the only difference is I wind up to 1000-numbers and was 1,000 wrong at Heerenveen. I am right at all the others.

Arnhem is a little bit complicated. When it was finished it had a capacity of 26.600. However, they made sure additional seating could be installed in front of 3 of the 4 stands (they can't install additional seating in front of one end because that's where the pitch enters and leaves the stadium). It can hold almost 30.000 (29.600 to be precise) this way. During Euro 2000 and few years after it the stadium used this configuration.

Because there is no need for a 30.000 seater in Arnhem they have removed some the seating again (well, they covered them under some kind of fabric) . The picture Martuh posted seems to be the 30.000 seater configuration, I guess its current capacity will be around 26.600. Removing the fabric will do to increase its capacity to almost 30.000 again.

What is the Hagues capacity going to be?

What is the Hagues capacity going to be?

15.050 (apparently easily expandable to 27.000)

*sigh* why is reading so hard? I explained the AZ 17.000->30.000 thing on the first page.

N.E.C. has revealed plans to expand this week in a Dutch football magazine called Voetbal International.

Sorry I was wrong at Heerenveen, it's going to be 27.000.

PSV Stadion is 36.500 = 37.000 wounded up.

Utrecht = 24.000 wounded up.

Enschede = starting to build in the summerstop and next season.

Rotterdam = 51.000 wounded up.

Amsterdam = 52.000 wounded up.

So the only difference is I wind up to 1000-numbers and was 1,000 wrong at Heerenveen. I am right at all the others.

AZ are building a 16000 stadium. End of story. If they upgrade it to 30000 in the future, then the time to discuss this is in......the future.

PSV holds 35119

If split in the middle, you wind up or down to the nearest even number, that's the golden rules of maths. So if PSV was 36500, the you would wind down to 36000. If it was 37500, you would wind up to 38000.

AZ are building a 16000 stadium. End of story. If they upgrade it to 30000 in the future, then the time to discuss this is in......the future.

PSV holds 35119

If split in the middle, you wind up or down to the nearest even number, that's the golden rules of maths. So if PSV was 36500, the you would wind down to 36000. If it was 37500, you would wind up to 38000.

If you're really such an idiot then I'll quote myself.

This one's a little hard to explain. AZ Alkmaar is currently building their new stadium, but it has 17 000 seats. The demand is huge; the new season the stadium's entirely sold out at season tickets. The big boss of AZ said that they would build a second tier (30 000 seats ) if the waiting list contained 3000 people, which was reached today. So at the pics, imagine the second tier, which will be ready a season later, summer 2007.

AZ Alkmaar are building a 16000 stadium. When and if they start to expand it.....I will let you know!

Alkmaar may be extended in the future, but that applies to almost any stadium. At the moment, it is being built for 16000 seats.

Gelredome holds 26600 for soccer matches.

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/index.php?template=stadionlisten&land=Niederlande

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/NED.html

You should really pay a visit to some Dutch websites where it is all mentioned.

Capaciteit?

Veel supporters vragen zich nu af wat de capaciteit van het stadion gaat worden. Immers, er verschijnen allemaal verschillende getallen in de media, van 13.500 tot 26.000. De waarheid ligt zoals altijd in het midden, alhoewel dit niet geheel correct is. Het bestuur en de directie van AZ onderzoeken momenteel de mogelijkheden om een uitbreiding te realiseren van 13.500 naar ongeveer 17.500 plaatsen. Hiervoor moeten verscheidene procedures worden doorlopen en die onderzoeken zijn momenteel in volle gang, maar uitsluitsel is er nog geenszins.

www.az.nl


Voor Euro-2000 was het nodig dat het aantal zitplaatsen werd uitgebreid. Het totale aantal plaatsen is daarvoor tot 30.000 plaatsen verhoogd, inclusief de loges en de seats. Het werkelijke aantal is 27.300 zitplaatsen en met de loges en de seats is het totaal 29.500 plaatsen. Voor invaliden met rolstoelen zijn ook nog eens 100 plaatsen beschikbaar.

www.gelredome.nl

By the way Martuh, where have you read that De Goffert will get those 26.000 seats? It doesn't say in last week's VI, does it?

I don't care what some clog wearing Dutchman says!! Alkmaars stadium will NOT be 30000, it will open with roughly a 16000 capacity. It may or may not be expanded in the future, but this is irrelevant, as any stadium may or may not be expanded in the future. 2nd of all, your links show that Gelredrome is NOT 30000. It is way off 30000. It may have been 30000 in the past (Euro 2000), but it no longer is.

I see Bubomb is back (which is strange cause he still has several nicks which haven't been banned yet)

our pride

Philips stadium - Eindhoven UEFA cup final 2006 will be hosted here

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/2130/philipsawesome3yt.jpg

I don't care what some clog wearing Dutchman says!! Alkmaars stadium will NOT be 30000, it will open with roughly a 16000 capacity. It may or may not be expanded in the future, but this is irrelevant, as any stadium may or may not be expanded in the future. 2nd of all, your links show that Gelredrome is NOT 30000. It is way off 30000. It may have been 30000 in the past (Euro 2000), but it no longer is.

I'm afraid you lost it pal.. :)

I'm afraid you lost it pal.. :)

Agreed at this.

Where does it actually say De Goffert shall be expanded to some 26.000 seats. I believe nothing is said about it in the latest VI.

Where does it actually say De Goffert will probably be expanded to some 26.000 seats? I believe nothing is said about it in the latest VI.

Where does it actually say De Goffert shall be expanded to some 26.000 seats. I believe nothing is said about it in the latest VI.

Page 4, underneath the photo of Luinge and Blind.

Not mentioned by anybody, but nowadays still the fourth stadium of the Netherlands...the good old Olympic Stadium (Amsterdam). Nowadays a capacity of 30.000 seats, once a capacity for 65.000.

AZs stadium looks great. Hopefully they can win the Eredivisie in the future.

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/neubau/fotos/kooimeerplaza/modell/100.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/neubau/fotos/kooimeerplaza/modell/110.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/neubau/fotos/kooimeerplaza/modell/150.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/neubau/fotos/kooimeerplaza/modell/120.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/neubau/fotos/kooimeerplaza/modell/130.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/neubau/fotos/kooimeerplaza/modell/140.jpg

Not mentioned by anybody, but nowadays still the fourth stadium of the Netherlands...the good old Olympic Stadium (Amsterdam). Nowadays a capacity of 30.000 seats, once a capacity for 65.000.

It actually has a capacity of 22.500 which probably makes it the sixth biggest stadium in The Netherlands for now. According to World Stadiums, the Fanny Blankers Koen Stadium in Hengelo (only used once a year for an athletics event as far as I know) is the biggest athletics stadium with 25.000 seats although I'm not convinced of this. Once the Abe Lenstra expansion is finished it will drop to seventh place. After the expansions of Twente, NEC and AZ it will drop further.

Some pics from Alkmaar

http://www.az.nl/db/WAS442019a6b0f1e/IMG_4432.JPG

http://www.az.nl/db/WAS44201c57be993/IMG_4594.JPG

http://www.az.nl/db/WAS442019a6b0f1e/IMG_4471.JPG

http://www.az.nl/db/WAS44201d91017e3/IMG_1688.JPG

http://www.az.nl/db/WAS44201d91017e3/IMG_1642.JPG

http://www.az.nl/db/WAS442019a6b0f1e/IMG_4441.JPG

http://www.az.nl/db/WAS44201d91017e3/IMG_1659.JPG

http://www.az.nl/db/WAS44201c57be993/IMG_4654.JPG

http://www.az.nl/db/WAS44201e8039f22/IMG_1809.JPG

http://www.az.nl/db/WAS44201e8039f22/IMG_1858.JPG

Nice small stadium

It is nothing special imo, comparable to other stadiums in the Netherlands of this size. Like de Goffert, Rat Verlegh, Willem II, Sparta, etc.
The roof is magnificent though.

Other, smaller, new stadiums:

ADO Den Haag
now: 11.000
new: 15.000
http://static.mediamatic.nl/f/wzdr/image/772-770-525.jpg
http://static.mediamatic.nl/f/wzdr/image/773-770-525.jpg

FC Zwolle
now: 7.000
new: 10.000
http://www.fczwolle.nl/repository/data/styleit/script/can_image.asp?type=filemanager&strFileName=fczwolle-03_233638399.jpg

FC Dordrecht
now: 4.000
new: 6.000
http://static.mediamatic.nl/f/wzdr/image/1090-770-526.jpg
http://static.mediamatic.nl/f/wzdr/image/791-770-514.jpg



And an interesting study about an Rotterdam arena, meant for Sparta and Excelsior.

http://static.mediamatic.nl/f/wzdr/image/355-770-526.jpg
http://static.mediamatic.nl/f/wzdr/image/351-770-525.jpg
http://static.mediamatic.nl/f/wzdr/image/354-770-525.jpg
http://static.mediamatic.nl/f/wzdr/image/352-770-526.jpg
http://static.mediamatic.nl/f/wzdr/image/349-770-420.jpg
http://static.mediamatic.nl/f/wzdr/image/357-770-526.jpg

Het OBR (Ontwikkelingsbedrijf Rotterdam) nodigde vier partijen uit om een plan te maken voor een multifunctioneel, overdekt stadion in Rotterdam. Het
programma van eisen was tegelijkertijd complex en summier.

Het stadion zou geschikt moeten zijn voor gebruik door de voetbalclubs Sparta en Excelsior, die op dat moment allebei behoefte hadden aan nieuwe huisvesting. Het voetballen vereist plaats voor 11.000 toeschouwers. De overige geplande activiteiten, topsport, evenementen en popconcerten, vragen om maximaal de helft van dat aantal zitplaatsen. De ontwerpteams werd gevraagd suggesties te doen voor andere aanvullende activiteiten en voor een mogelijke locatie voor het stadion.

Tezamen met opdrachtgever HBM is een gebouw ontwikkeld met een heldere opzet en een grasmat die naar buiten kan worden geschoven. Het stadion kan binnen een dagdeel worden aangepast voor een andere functie, zoals topsport, een culturele of zakelijke activiteit. De circulatie is zodanig ontworpen, dat alle verschillende gebruikers eenvoudig hun weg door het gebouw kunnen vinden. De ligging van restaurants en overige ruimten voor nevenfuncties zijn strategisch aan de verkeersruimte gelegd. Het publiek komt binnen via een breed opgezette, U-vormige promenade, met uitzicht over de gehele hal en zicht naar buiten. Bezoekers kunnen zich goed oriënteren en hebben vanuit de promenade toegang tot de tribunes. De tribunes zijn georganiseerd in twee boven elkaar gelegen lagen aan de lange zijden van de hal, één onder en één boven de promenade.

De draagconstructie bestaat uit driepotige kolommen waartussen ruimtelijke spanten zijn gehangen, die met tuien worden afgespannen. De kolommen dragen tevens de vaste delen van de tribunes. Een deel van de dakconstructie boven het veld is van gecoat en gewapend, translucent kunststofdoek. Activiteiten die overdag plaatsvinden, zullen door natuurlijk daglicht worden verlicht. Het kunststofdoek wordt tussen een aantal ruimtelijke vakwerkliggers gespannen, die in de langsrichting door een loopbrug met elkaar verbonden zijn. De ruimtelijke liggers zijn daardoor ook eenvoudig toegankelijk en kunnen gebruikt worden voor het ophangen van attributen voor diverse voorstellingen, c.q. activiteiten.

Het ontwerp is onafhankelijk van een specifieke locatie ontworpen, maar de Rotterdamse Müllerpier nabij de Euromast genoot de sterke voorkeur van het bureau als locatie voor het stadion.

In short; meant for Sparta and Excelsior, 11.000 seats, retractable field. But it was a study, nothing more unfortunately.

It became irrelevant when both Sparta and Excelsior decided to redevelop their own ground. I'm happy they did because Het Kasteel's classic facade is really cool.

Wow I like all these stadiums but there are exceptions. The Phillips stadium is not that nice but I understand because the club does not have enough money to renivate it. When they do get the money they should renivate the outside with some nice glass or somthing lol. and also the De Kuip stadium I am sorry to stay it really ugly I mean the bottem seats arnt even part of the stadium they are just set up like for some high school soccer match I mean thats just not right they shoudl fill in the seats yup yup they should.

I would disagree. Being an expatriate Brit in UAE and subscribing to ART sports channels whenever Moroccan football is on I always turn off. It is terrible. The state of the pitches cannot help. I prefer watching the Saudi games as at least the stadia are full and there is a good atmosphere.

Saying that the images of the proposed stadia look fantastic...especially Marakesh

flares

Here's a pic I took a while back when the Amsterdam Admirals were playing there (obviously not as well attended as Ajax):

http://k43.pbase.com/o4/48/583048/1/57613085._MG_5200.jpg

I think Amsterdam Arena looks the best because I support Ajax

heerenveen's abe lenstra stadium will rise to a MASSIVE 26,500 next season. :)

^ That wasn't the issue here, and besides our view on what a great stadium is differs a lot.

I personally think De Kuip is better than or at least equal to those three, because

A. It's football history since 1937
B. It's not an arena with a retractable roof
C. The view on the pitch is excellent from any position
D. It has great acoustics
E. It's situated right in the city and not in some lonely suburb
F. It's a real football stadium
G. Even more reasons

Sure Allianz is large and spectacular, but so grey from the inside, and I don't care much for the outside too. It doesn't look like a stadium. Then I do like Bernabeu or San Siro a lot better. Arena auf Schalke is a less spectacular copy of the Amsterdam Arena. Westfalen, still, in my opinion ugly from the inside, plain from the outside. Nothing special, except size. I have to admit that I really do like the AOL Arena. That one comes close, it only misses the history.

The UEFA probably share my opinion in a way, considering De Kuip has hosted the most UEFA finals in history. They had a total of 10. Last one being 2002 in which Feyenoord beat Dortmund!

http://www.feyenoordinternet.tweakdsl.nl/wp/images/wallpaper003.jpg

http://www.feyenoordinternet.tweakdsl.nl/wp/images/wallpaper004.jpg

http://home.planet.nl/~lansb048/download/pics/wall02_800.jpg

http://www.fcbaranovichi.com/koren/kuip2.jpeg

well, it's quite ugly from the outside, the roof isn't great and the way they've just put some seats (which look temporary) under the bottom tier, looks clumsy, so there you go

The UEFA probably share my opinion in a way, considering De Kuip has hosted the most UEFA finals in history. They had a total of 10. Last one being 2002 in which Feyenoord beat Dortmund!

Which isn't really surprising, considering that when the stadium was opened, Hitler was still Chancellor of Germany.

It's a great place nonetheless. It's certainly better than the Westfalenstadion and the Veltins Arena but I think the Allianz Arena has pretty much set the bar for all new and old stadia. You're close to the pitch and it's an architectural jewel.

I'v always wondered, why was De Kuip used for the euro 2000 final rather than the Amsterdam ArenA?

because it creates a better atmosphere, has more tradition, and is a better overall stadium design than ajax

I would disagree. Being an expatriate Brit in UAE and subscribing to ART sports channels whenever Moroccan football is on I always turn off. It is terrible. The state of the pitches cannot help. I prefer watching the Saudi games as at least the stadia are full and there is a good atmosphere.

Saying that the images of the proposed stadia look fantastic...especially Marakesh

flares

You dug up a thread that was over a year old to make that comment?

The Phillips stadium is not that nice but I understand because the club does not have enough money to renivate it.

Considering that Philips is behind it, I'd say the club has more than enough money.

Anyway, the floodlights are going up in Alkmaar

http://www.az-alkmaar.nl/db/WAS4480460aac3b8/CA2_9860.jpg

http://www.az-alkmaar.nl/db/WAS4480460aac3b8/CA2_9864.jpg

http://www.az-alkmaar.nl/db/WAS4480460aac3b8/CA2_9857.jpg

Seats are being installed as well

http://www.az-alkmaar.nl/db/WAS447da6628e2a7/CA2_9723.jpg

http://www.az-alkmaar.nl/db/WAS447da6628e2a7/CA2_9732.jpg

http://www.az-alkmaar.nl/db/WAS447da6628e2a7/CA2_9726.jpg

http://www.az-alkmaar.nl/db/WAS447da6628e2a7/CA2_9719.jpg

Looking great! what will the cap. be as there was alot of sounds of extending it to 17.000-23.000-30.000 or god knows what.
Do you have any idea?

AZs stadium looks great. Hopefully they can win the Eredivisie in the future.

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/neubau/fotos/kooimeerplaza/modell/100.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/neubau/fotos/kooimeerplaza/modell/110.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/neubau/fotos/kooimeerplaza/modell/150.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/neubau/fotos/kooimeerplaza/modell/120.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/neubau/fotos/kooimeerplaza/modell/130.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/neubau/fotos/kooimeerplaza/modell/140.jpg


In words of Martin Jol "Looksch very nicesch" :drool:

Considering that Philips is behind it, I'd say the club has more than enough money.



PSV and Philips have a pretty normal sponsor relationship nowadays. Philips doesn't own PSV but it does help them out every now and then (but certainly not with extra millions of dollars a year). PSV do have money problems at the moment and might be forced to sell their stadium.

Yep look nicish indeed! but eh de cap.?

17.000 if I'm not mistaken. Possible extension to 30.000 in the next few years.

Allright then, that's allready about 4.000 more the originaly. Do you know where those seats were installed? I presume on the long sides, The reality should be different now with the drawings or not? Thanks for the info anyway!

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6731/fnkuip001x3ms.jpg

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8564/7017705421ig.jpg

Like a mini Kuip. De Kuip has been renovated by the same architect who designed the AZ stadium by the way, so it's not really a surprise.

you're wright check
http://www.zwarts.jansma.nl/listpublish.php?q_mm=&q_keyword=256

I'd never seen concrete plans of that Sparta/Excelsior combined stadium before, I'm glad they didn't build that... thing :puke:

http://static.mediamatic.nl/f/wzdr/image/355-770-526.jpg

I hope they won't design the new Feijenoord stadium, I don't like those stairs between the stands and the ground they manage to put in each of their new stadium designs. That Lotus stadium is butt ugly too.

Allright then, that's allready about 4.000 more the originaly. Do you know where those seats were installed? I presume on the long sides, The reality should be different now with the drawings or not? Thanks for the info anyway!

The decided to place the seats closer to each other than originally planned. That way they could create an extra 3500 seats without changing the design.

poe, nice and cosy then!

I guess i should have quoted the thread.....and sorry if it was a bit off topic.

I was looking for the name of the Dutch stadium that rolls the pitch outside when not in use to get an even sunning and googled my way into this topic. Is it Arnhem? Anyone?

Gelredome, Arnhem

Any new news about the extension of the FC Twente stadium?
The last thing I could find is that the townhall is finaly making work about the liscenses and the infrastructure around the stadium (planning then)
2007 it will not be ready. Any new more detailed designs perhaps?
Also about the Sc Heerenveen stadium. I can never find anything detailed about how it is going to look when it is finished. anything?

This is one thread to many, to my opinion...
There is allready another one

Considering that Philips is behind it, I'd say the club has more than enough money.Nope, you're some 25 years behind on this one mate. The club, unfortunately, doesn't have any money at the moment as a result of gross mismanegement at the turn of the century (by the same guy that Chelsea trust all of their billions to today :uh: ). So any improvements are not expected until FIFA awards the World Cup of 2018 to NL and Belgium.

The rest of NL, except Gelredome, De Kuip, Philips, Euroborg and De Vijverberg: Same shit, different town (horrible pitchside staircases :down:).

So I guess they're like Bayer Leverkusen then. There've actually been some rumors that Bayer wants to drop the entire club. VW is still investing a lot of money into their Wolfsburg club though.

But Philips Stadion is still a nice place. The corners look great (much better than the shit in Dortmund) and they just hosted the UEFA-Cup final so the place can't be that bad.

The place isn't bad at all. specialy when you know where they come from. Eindhoven realy is not a big city or something. And whether you like it or not. PSV is a top club (in Holland) Compared with Utrecht or Den Haag/The Hague. These are cities much bigger but, there fc's or stadiums do not come close to PSV.
It is a very nice stadium, but it is not a Feyenoord or Ajax. And def. not a Bernabeu or San Siro. But for this club it is perfect. perhaps in time they can grow untill 40.000. but I am only hoping that because I like big (steep) stadiums!
With Belgium in the same competition the Benelux should be able to have a very nice competition, which can knock out rivals like Portugal, Austia/Switserland and a Scandinavian competition easely.

Any new news about the extension of the FC Twente stadium?
The last thing I could find is that the townhall is finaly making work about the liscenses and the infrastructure around the stadium (planning then)
2007 it will not be ready. Any new more detailed designs perhaps?
Also about the Sc Heerenveen stadium. I can never find anything detailed about how it is going to look when it is finished. anything?

I don't believe Twente's plans are finalized. I've seen some pictures of the plans for the second tier and they looked pretty cool.

As for Heerenveen, they're currently working on the north stand which will be a copy of the south stand. It should be finished before the start of the new season.

http://www.feanfans.nl/sportstad/noordzijde/noordzijde74.jpg

So I guess they're like Bayer Leverkusen then. There've actually been some rumors that Bayer wants to drop the entire club. VW is still investing a lot of money into their Wolfsburg club though.

But Philips Stadion is still a nice place. The corners look great (much better than the shit in Dortmund) and they just hosted the UEFA-Cup final so the place can't be that bad.

Didn't Bayer used to own KFC Uerdingen as well?

Yeah, and now the team's bankrupt. Quite sad really because they used to have some decent teams back in the 80s.

@skaP187

Eindhoven is not that much smaller than Utrecht. The Hague is bigger but not a megacity. Amsterdam and Rotterdam aren't either.

The size of a city doesn't really matter in football. No clubs from London, Paris, Istanbul and Moscow have ever won a Champions League/European Cup. But Nottingham, Eindhoven and Porto have. ;)

I don't believe Twente's plans are finalized. I've seen some pictures of the plans for the second tier and they looked pretty cool.

As for Heerenveen, they're currently working on the north stand which will be a copy of the south stand. It should be finished before the start of the new season.

http://www.feanfans.nl/sportstad/noordzijde/noordzijde74.jpg

and then the Abe Lenstra will be finished? as a stadium then, I do not know how the planns are for the area around (sportteachersschool and stuff) but that is of miner interest for me.
I thought it is so strange that I cannot find a propar presentation of that stadium. The one on the clubsite does not realy show anything about the stadium from the inside. The pictures I have seen so far, make me think that the stadium will not be very beautfull... damn another missed oppertunety and we do not have much in the Netherlands

@skaP187

Eindhoven is not that much smaller than Utrecht. The Hague is bigger but not a megacity. Amsterdam and Rotterdam aren't either.

The size of a city doesn't really matter in football. No clubs from London, Paris, Istanbul and Moscow have ever won a Champions League/European Cup. But Nottingham, Eindhoven and Porto have. ;)

You are right. The Netherlands does not have big cities (sorry Amsterdam). Nice note about the big cities. hehe, could against a calimero complex... (they are big and I am small and it is not fare... :bash: )
But are you with me that the Philips stadium is a nice stadium for Eindhoven (I do not know if there are compareble cities with a equal or better stadium then Eindhoven)

You are right. The Netherlands does not have big cities (sorry Amsterdam). Nice note about the big cities. hehe, could against a calimero complex... (they are big and I am small and it is not fare... :bash: )
But are you with me that the Philips stadium is a nice stadium for Eindhoven (I do not know if there are compareble cities with a equal or better stadium then Eindhoven)

Maybe The Netherlands are gonna have a big city in the future. There are plans to combine Amsterdam and Almere and some other smaller cities to one big city :cheers:

Amsterdam and Almere together ? I'll have to check the Dutch forum for that I guess?
I imagine The Hague/Rotterdam might be posseble to. This will make rather big cities, but not near London, Paris, Berlin, Istanbul, Moscow, St Petrusburg, Madrid, Roma
which are real big (European cities)
The rest of the city combinations (Arnhem Nijmegen/ and Enschede Hengelo will not be very big. To be hounest I like that the Netherlands does not have big cities like that. We don't have big cities, we have a big mouth!

Here is the link: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=356755 :)

Okay bedankt!

Do you know if there is also a Dutch thread about stadiums (in Dutch)

The new DSB Stadion in Alkmaar seems finished:

http://www.az-alkmaar.nl/db/WAS44c91378f3b06/CA2_4164.jpg

Looks great doesn't it!
and there are allready serious planns (no drawnings so far I know, damn)
to extend it to around 30.000 max by adding an extra tire on it.

If they extend it, it won't happen for another two years. If they decide to built a 2nd tier on it will be on the stand opposite the main stand (the one you can see on the picture) leaving the other three stands intact. Therefore, 30000 seems out of reach to me for now.

The management is talking about 30.000, but I guess that will be done in fases like Heerenveen. Twente I heard (but who has not) is a sure thing also, they are to start construction in 2007 in oposide of the main stand. At the end it will be a complete tire.
But this is something they should have done along time ago, better late then never I guess

The Euroborg, FC Groningen's brandnew stadium (started service January 2006). Current capacity is 20.000, but after just half a year there are already plans to expand it to 23-24.000 seats.
The area surrounding the station will be developed in the coming years, and includes a railroad station, a park, offices and residential area's (including 2 70-80 meter tall residential towers - which may not seem much, but for Groningen it's nothing short of spectacular).

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6977/euroborg01ew8.jpg
About an hour before a game started

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/9558/euroborg02sm6.jpg
From the second tier

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/258/euroborg03ix3.jpg
From the first tier

No clubs from London, Paris, Istanbul and Moscow have ever won a Champions League/European Cup. But Nottingham, Eindhoven and Porto have. ;)

CSKA Moscow won the UEFA Cup last year

@skaP187

Eindhoven is not that much smaller than Utrecht. The Hague is bigger but not a megacity. Amsterdam and Rotterdam aren't either.

The size of a city doesn't really matter in football. No clubs from London, Paris, Istanbul and Moscow have ever won a Champions League/European Cup. But Nottingham, Eindhoven and Porto have. ;)

You're wrong, PSG won a European cup in 1996.

And I'm pretty sure Galatasaray won also an European Cup, in 1999 or 2000. Correct me if I'm wrong

He was talking about THE European Cup/Champions League not the UEFA Cup or Cup Winners Cup.

The Euroborg, FC Groningen's brandnew stadium (started service January 2006). Current capacity is 20.000, but after just half a year there are already plans to expand it to 23-24.000 seats.
The area surrounding the station will be developed in the coming years, and includes a railroad station, a park, offices and residential area's (including 2 70-80 meter tall residential towers - which may not seem much, but for Groningen it's nothing short of spectacular).

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6977/euroborg01ew8.jpg
About an hour before a game started

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/9558/euroborg02sm6.jpg
From the second tier

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/258/euroborg03ix3.jpg
From the first tier

They were thinking about adding a third tier but they're going to lower the pitch and thus having 24,000 seats.

You're wrong, PSG won a European cup in 1996.

There's only one cup which realy counts and that's Europa cup 1/Championsleague. Should have been more clearer, sorry

They were thinking about adding a third tier but they're going to lower the pitch and thus having 24,000 seats.

This is a realy nice stadium, very impressive for it's size my opinion. And the colour is the colour of the club. It's cool/green I mean

They were thinking about adding a third tier but they're going to lower the pitch and thus having 24,000 seats.
Yeah, that's what I heard too.
However, in my opinion it would be wise to wait until the end of the next season. Groningen had a fantastic season last year, and obviously all season tickets were sold out in no-time, but it's best to first wait and see how the team performs in the coming year. What if it ends around the 14th place, or worse still, relegates to the Eerste Divisie? Doubtful that 24.000 tickets would all be sold if that happens...

Yeah, that's what I heard too.
However, in my opinion it would be wise to wait until the end of the next season. Groningen had a fantastic season last year, and obviously all season tickets were sold out in no-time, but it's best to first wait and see how the team performs in the coming year. What if it ends around the 14th place, or worse still, relegates to the Eerste Divisie? Doubtful that 24.000 tickets would all be sold if that happens...

my only interest is bigger stadiums!!!! but a ring on top op it and make it 35.000 (I know construction won't allow, but well hell!)

Planns of the new/extended FC Twente stadium. about 28.000 cap.
They are gonna put a ring on top of the allready exsisting one

http://i7.tinypic.com/21mi5ig.jpg
http://i7.tinypic.com/21mi7i0.jpg

This is the way the FC Twente stadium looks now from the inside.
Nice little standard stadium MOP, with for Dutch meanings a realy good atmospfere
cap. 13.500
http://i7.tinypic.com/21mrfh1.jpg
http://i7.tinypic.com/21mrfww.jpg

my only interest is bigger stadiums!!!! but a ring on top op it and make it 35.000 (I know construction won't allow, but well hell!)
I'm with you that in theory the bigger a stadium is, the better. But it also has to serve a purpose: no matter how cool it may look, a stadium that has 50% unused seats is a complete waste of space, money and resources...

but, but, but eh .....
(I just like them as buildings, I don't care about the spectators!!!!)

According to this link, Twente might not be going for 26,000 but for 36,000!

http://www.tctubantia.nl/sport/fctwente/article829233.ece

It basically says - FC Twente's plan to increase the stadium further than originally intended - the original places were for 26,000, but new plans are for 36,000 places and with that the stadium could host internationals.

If all goes to plan, work on the first phase will start in May next year.

Must say I'm a bit surprised at the sheer ambition, Enschede's not that big a place. Mind you, Heerenveen's much smaller and they get almost 26,000 crowds. I imagine it'll be phased like the Abe Lenstra Stadion so they'll only keep increasing if they get the crowds.

AZ is going for 38,000 seats. Don't know what AZ's boss is up to, but something inside me says they shouldn't do it, peeking towards Vitesse.

What's wrong with Vitesse

They're shit and you know they are ;)

Dutch clubs sometimes tend to overestimate themselves when it comes to the construction of stadiums. Vitesse (the case of ex-chairman Aalbers), and FC Utrecht for example, were close to bankrupcy, wasn't it?

Keizer Karel 4 ever!!!! sure thing as I like stadiums

Dutch clubs sometimes tend to overestimate themselves when it comes to the construction of stadiums. Vitesse (the case of ex-chairman Aalbers), and FC Utrecht for example, were close to bankrupcy, wasn't it?

Not Utrecht. But Vitesse, and that is once in the whole history. Dutch football generally UNDERestimates itself rather then OVERestimate. AZ is a different thing, a bit like Vitesse I guess. There is a Dutch saying, 'be normal, then you're already crazy enough'. Nobody dares to do something big, when Heerenveen expanded from 14.000 to 26.000, everbody said they would never be able to attract 26.000 even once. And look at it now, weekly sold out, huge waiting list and they have serious plans of expanding it to 30.000 soon, and further expanding to 40.000 later. They went to Newcastle to see what they did over there. The town of Heerenveen has a population of 28.000, their current stadium is almost as large as the whole town, but they have the complete province of Friesland (650.000 people) behind them, they have their own official EU-recognized language and there is a political party who wants separation from The Netherlands and independence for Friesland. Before every match they sing the Frisian 'national' anthem. It's pretty deep for them I guess.They would fill 40.000. FC Twente also has a complete area behind them. Farmers always are loyal to the ball and their team. :cheers:

Don't forget, PSV managed to reach the semifinals of CL and current season they easily reached the last 16. Their stadium is still only 37.000 seats. That's is the opposite of overestimation, isn't it? They would surely fill 50.000, Ajax and Feyenoord would fill 60.000. But we are scared to not be normal. Not enough daring around here. But then again, when we peek towards Portugal to see what they did for EURO 2004, we don't want those situations over here.

The Gelredome last Saturday night. Dance event Qlimax. ( I attanded myself and it was realy ammazing) in my oppinion one of the best Dance events with the Harder styles in dance music. And the Gelredome was the host for this ammazing show with a lot of lasers, special effects, fireworks, flameshooters, dancers, moving stages and much more. Respect for the Stadium and Q-dance and of course the DJ's and the 25.000 other party-people!

Here some pictures:

http://pictures.q-dance.nl/6417/pics/2/0020_sido_1166.jpg
DJ-Stage

http://photo.partyflock.nl/images/71384/main/292497.jpg
More DJ stage

http://pictures.q-dance.nl/6417/pics/2/0032_alex_4496.jpg
Overvieuw

http://pictures.q-dance.nl/6417/pics/2/0588_alex_4066.jpg
lasers

http://pictures.q-dance.nl/6417/pics/2/2046_floris_3840.jpg
the crowds.

http://pictures.q-dance.nl/6417/pics/2/2653_rudy_4227.jpg

And and fore the ones who can bare the music:p some video samples taken with mobile phones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L7rhIeQA3Q
The Prophet - Scantrax Rootz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLHmWctcJic
Intro Showtek

what do dutch fans think of the Ajax Arena?

The pitch looks like a minefield and from what I saw on the TV of the Holland-England game, the stadium seemed to be lacking in atmosphere, not to mention architechtural merit. Surely a great footballing nation like Holland and a great club like Ajax deserve better facilities than this?

All Dutch people outside Amsterdam have the same opinion as you do, no really! The only stadium where Holland should play there games is Rotterdam, de Kuip. Maybe for foreigners not so impressive but for Dutch a stadium with a lot of history and also a lot of atmosphere. A real footballstadium!
Also the pitch is normaly very good in Rotterdam.
InAmsterdam it is always a problam, every half year or something they have to renew the whole pitch (and normally they know quit alot about grass in Amsterdam no?)
In that way you can say what your want, but is the Gelredome a far better multifunctional stadium, not in cap, but in quality then the Amsterdam ArenaA. Never problems with the pitch because it can role out and for concerts the sound quality is far better too, yep keizer Karel 4-ever baby!!!!

The only stadium where Holland should play there games is Rotterdam, de Kuip. Maybe for foreigners not so impressive but for Dutch a stadium with a lot of history and also a lot of atmosphere. A real footballstadium!


I agree, de Kuip may not look like something from star trek (ancient rome maybe) but from what I've seen it seems to be much more of a real football stadium, inhabited by some scarily barmy fans. I hope they don't pull it down and replace it with something bland and modern in the event of a Netherlands/Belgium world cup bid.

All Dutch people outside Amsterdam have the same opinion as you do, no really! The only stadium where Holland should play there games is Rotterdam, de Kuip. Maybe for foreigners not so impressive but for Dutch a stadium with a lot of history and also a lot of atmosphere. A real footballstadium!
Also the pitch is normaly very good in Rotterdam.
InAmsterdam it is always a problam, every half year or something they have to renew the whole pitch (and normally they know quit alot about grass in Amsterdam no?)
In that way you can say what your want, but is the Gelredome a far better multifunctional stadium, not in cap, but in quality then the Amsterdam ArenaA. Never problems with the pitch because it can role out and for concerts the sound quality is far better too, yep keizer Karel 4-ever baby!!!!

Don't think we Amsterdammers love the Arena. Quite the opposite actually.

You just might be right!

You just might be right!

BTW I think AGOVV Apeldoorn's stadium is a beauty, saying this because you're from Apeldoorn.

http://www.agovv-c-side.nl/images/stadion/stadion.jpg

http://www.agovv.nl/images/bigimage580x425.php?id_image=368

The mainstand, made from wood and built in 1925, is a official monument.

http://www.agovvapeldoorn.com/fotos/Sportpark%20Berg%20en%20Bos/hoofdtribune.jpg

as Borat would say: 'Wah-wah wee-wah!'

A man, now you make me cry and homesick ! (I live in Alicante nowadays) but it is a classic in the woods that it is, thanks!!!

Haven't read the entire thread, so forgive me if someone has already mentioned this...

Looking through the pics, the thing that jumped out at me is how much a stadium is effected by how the corners are executed. The stadium with the huge white blocked out corners - ugly. I far prefer filled in corners which complete the sweep of seating right around the ground in one smooth wrap.

Just heard that Feyenoord wants a new stadium within 10 years (God I'll be 39 by then.. more dead then alive deffuantly) I think/hope that it has to do with the story of 75 000 cap stadium which I heard earlier, That should teach the competition in Amsterdam for ones and for all (only the football sucks nowadays in Rotterdam, but who cares about that...?)

I like this stadium more :P http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/netherlands/rotterdam_hazelaarweg.shtml
or this one:
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/netherlands/heerenveen_thialf.shtml

the new planns for expanding the FC Twente stadium from current 13.500 to 36000 (imagine the seats red with a white horse on the main stand.)
Might be that one of the stands behind the goals (side P) is going to be one big a la Borusia Dortmund)
http://i12.tinypic.com/2rfpp8n.jpg
http://i18.tinypic.com/2hcdu1y.jpg

Thanks for that, do you have any links to more info?

The configuration looks a bit like Standard Liege's ground.
http://www.stadiumguide.com/sclessin.htm

PSV stadium and downtown Eindhoven in 1923
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/3764/ehvsky91923lr8.jpg

and today
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1421/ehvsky9tp2.jpg

thanks 2 F L X !!

Ajax Amsterdam is believed to have planns for extension from 51 000 to
60/65 000 by putting an extra tear on top of the stadium. This is fresh from the press so no planns are available yet.
http://ajax.netwerk.to/
Sorry it is in Dutch

Thanks for that, do you have any links to more info?

The configuration looks a bit like Standard Liege's ground.
http://www.stadiumguide.com/sclessin.htm

First they will extand to about 24 500, by putting an L on top.
It will look more like the stadium of Newcastle then Standard Liege (I prefer the last one actualy, but who am I?)
later they have planned to complete the tear to about 36 000

http://www.fctwente.nl/nieuws/index.php?item=5971
sorry it is in Dutch

Ajax Amsterdam is believed to have planns for extension from 51 000 to
60/65 000 by putting an extra tear on top of the stadium. This is fresh from the press so no planns are available yet.
http://ajax.netwerk.to/
Sorry it is in Dutch

WHAT? It would be really cool to have a 3 tiered-stadium, but I don't think Ajax will pack it consistently. Now for national games it's a different story, obviously.

^^I would prefer a variant which places an extra ring at the bottom.
Anyway, with 60,000 seats it will not be packed all the time, but it gives Ajax the opportunaty to sell 10,000 season tickets more. Season tickets are sold out every year (+/- 45,000). And don't forget all the concerts given there, they are always sold out.

The town of Heerenveen has a population of 28.000, their current stadium is almost as large as the whole town, but they have the complete province of Friesland (650.000 people) behind them, they have their own official EU-recognized language and there is a political party who wants separation from The Netherlands and independence for Friesland. Before every match they sing the Frisian 'national' anthem. It's pretty deep for them I guess.

Well, that's a bit exaggerated. :)

Well, that's a bit exaggerated. :)

The only thing that could be exaggarated to that is the 'pretty deep for them' part.

Considering Cambuur Leeuwarden (the only other professional football team in Friesland) has an average of 3374 spectators, you could say that they have the whole province of Friesland behind them.

Furthermore, there ís a political party that wants independence for Friesland.

^^I would prefer a variant which places an extra ring at the bottom.
Anyway, with 60,000 seats it will not be packed all the time, but it gives Ajax the opportunaty to sell 10,000 season tickets more. Season tickets are sold out every year (+/- 45,000). And don't forget all the concerts given there, they are always sold out.

Isn't that impossible because of the highway below the stadium???

Geetings

Isn't that impossible because of the highway below the stadium???

Geetings

the highway is not directly underneath the pitch. between the highway and the pitch is one of the 2 parkingdecks. lower the pitch by a few meters could be possible. (the pitch is places 8(!) meters above the ground of Amsterdam.) it will loose only a lot of parking places but when they build an extra parkinglot somewhere else the problem is solved I guess.


only one problem. for winds an sunlight is now allmost imposseble to reach the pitch, then it would be totaly impossible if you ask me. and that is not good for the soil of the pitch.

the highway is not directly underneath the pitch. between the highway and the pitch is one of the 2 parkingdecks. lower the pitch by a few meters could be possible. (the pitch is places 8(!) meters above the ground of Amsterdam.) it will loose only a lot of parking places but when they build an extra parkinglot somewhere else the problem is solved I guess.

Personaly I would like this solution the best, but I do not know it this would be posseble. Allready there are some places in the upper ring where you hardly see the complete pitch/ground. By lowering the field this problem will only get worse. The same goes for putting a ring on top.
I think they can only do this. by making the excisting ring bigger instead of really putting an extra on top of it.
Stands are allready 'Bernabeu' steep at the Arena
Also to extend to 60 000+ would not require a complete new ring cause then your would go to about 70 000 or it would be a very small ring.

only one problem. for winds an sunlight is now allmost imposseble to reach the pitch, then it would be totaly impossible if you ask me. and that is not good for the soil of the pitch.

I think sooner or later the pitch will be arteficial in the Arena, because the quality is allready very bad, and the quality of arteficial seemes to get better and better. Not my favourite solution, but I think the only one.

Personaly I would like this solution the best, but I do not know it this would be posseble. Allready there are some places in the upper ring where you hardly see the complete pitch/ground. By lowering the field this problem will only get worse. The same goes for putting a ring on top.

BS. I've sat in the most upper row of seats a couple of times and always I'd recognize the players. The view in the Arena is perfect, first or second tier.

BS. I've sat in the most upper row of seats a couple of times and always I'd recognize the players. The view in the Arena is perfect, first or second tier.

copy that, if i go to a game in 'de Arena' (and that's a lot) I sit almost allways on the upper ring and the view is perfect. And really, the stands of the arena are not as steep as the santiago bernabeau. And really, the stands in the arena are not as steep as the santiago bernabeau. the second ring of the Nou Camp stadium is comparrable to the second ring of the ArenA, and you know how that lookes these days.

last update from Amsterdam. Arcadis says that it would be possible by lifting the entire roof wich stands of 4 positions and put the ring between the gap. than it would be possible to reach a capacity of 65.000. so thats even more than first expected.

BS. I've sat in the most upper row of seats a couple of times and always I'd recognize the players. The view in the Arena is perfect, first or second tier.

Isn't it so that in the upper ring in the corners, it is allready diffecult to see the nearest by corner. It is only just possible.
Don't get me wrong the views in the Arena at this moment are perfect, but if they realy want to put an extra tear on top of it this will mean the tears sloop will be even more steeper.
MOP the steeper the better, but a lot of people not join my view on this I think.
Also if you expand with about 10 000 the tear will be rather small.
So it would be better to make the exsisting second tear bigger so they can go on with the same sloop.

http://i16.tinypic.com/4hmncl1.jpg

I know it is shit, but you get the idea?

copy that, if i go to a game in 'de Arena' (and that's a lot) I sit almost allways on the upper ring and the view is perfect. And really, the stands of the arena are not as steep as the santiago bernabeau. And really, the stands in the arena are not as steep as the santiago bernabeau. the second ring of the Nou Camp stadium is comparrable to the second ring of the ArenA, and you know how that lookes these days.

last update from Amsterdam. Arcadis says that it would be possible by lifting the entire roof wich stands of 4 positions and put the ring between the gap. than it would be possible to reach a capacity of 65.000. so thats even more than first expected.

that's good info! they want 65 000 because for a WC 2018 or something you would need three stadiums with miniumum cap of 65 000 (Rotterdam is planning a new stadium of 70 000) the other one should come from Belgium.

I seriously don't know if this is official, but this is a render how the DSB stadion in Alkmaar should look after the next summer. the capacity would be 35.000 after they compleet this. looks good I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d29L7z_Hel4

its not my favorit club, AZ, but they are competition, so know your enemy.

Looks good, I hope they are gonna do it, it would mean another great stadium in Holland!
We would have some above 30 000 then
Ajax 51 000
Feyenoord 51 000
PSV 36 500
FC Twente 36 000
AZ 35 000
SC Heerenveen 30 000

Would be very nice for the competition also.
+ the 'nice, but smaller' stadiums we allready have
Vitesse 27 000
FC Utrecht 24 500
FC Groningen 20 000 (planns to go to 24 000)


We are still way behind our main rival, portugal, but then again, our stadiums are not empty...

At the tim Amsterdam Arena has expanded to 65000, most other stadiums are also expanded (Heerenveen, AZ, Twente, NEC) and then we are comparable with Portugal. But then there's the new Feyenoord stadium (70,000). We'll beat Portugal hard time.

Hard time I don't know, but we'll beat them. Stadiums in Holland have a better attendence then in Portugal, allthough I like the Portugese stadiums very much, I think the majoraty is too big for the clubs which are playing in it.

I seriously hope they'd do something about that pressbox/skybox side if they expand to 35k. Very very rough transition from the 2-tiered stand if you ask me.

Here some great aerial views of Philips stadium
home of PSV .
thanks to FLX

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7979/ehvsky255xxlk6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3823/ehvsky2ik5bc1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5469/ehvsky211hfas5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

in tomorows local nieuws papier (dagblad van het noorden) the possible expansion of the euroborg of not 4000 but 20000 making it a 40000 stadium!!!!

This morning in the Dutch newspaper, Dagblad van het Noorden,

FC Groningen wil stadion verdubbelen

Gepubliceerd op 16 februari 2007, 22:21
Laatst bijgewerkt op 16 februari 2007, 22:23

Groningen -
Amper een jaar nadat FC Groningen is verhuisd naar de Euroborg, wil de club het stadion al weer fors uitbreiden. De club gaat voor een verdubbeling van de huidige capaciteit, een stadion van 40.000 toeschouwers. Mocht dat om wat voor reden dan ook een onmogelijke zaak zijn, dan zinspeelt de club op termijn op een – noodgedwongen - vertrek uit de Euroborg.

Algemeen directeur Hans Nijland: ”We zitten nu al aan de grenzen van onze groei. De wachtlijsten voor zowel de gewone toeschouwers als voor sponsors worden al maar langer en langer.”

Eredivisie

De uitbouw naar een voetbalarena voor 40.000 toeschouwers is volgens Nijland nodig om op lange termijn een voorname rol in de eredivisie te kunnen blijven vervullen. In een Euroborg met de huidige capaciteit is dat volgens hem onmogelijk.

Of een grondige verbouwing er ook daadwerkelijk van komt, is nog maar de vraag. Ben Veenbrink, directeur van de NV Euroborg, is in principe niet afwijzend maar vraagt zich af of het allemaal wel mogelijk is. ”Afgezien van het financiële plaatje, zal onderzocht moeten worden of het technisch wel kan.”

Onderzoek

Inmiddels heeft FC Groningen al aangedrongen op een haalbaarheidsonderzoek. Nijland: ”Wij gaan voor een onafhankelijk onderzoek zonder mitsen en maren vooraf, dus met een onbevooroordeelde insteek.”

Frank de Vries, wethouder van ruimtelijke ordening in Groningen, reageert gereserveerd op de plannen. ”Het is altijd goed als FC Groningen nadenkt over de toekomst op lange termijn

we zullen zien/ We shall see

Small impression/ joke from another forumer on other forum

http://i9.tinypic.com/2hp1y4h.jpg

Translation, they are seriously thinking about extanding from 20 to 40 000
but it is only thinking at this moment so no renders and stuff at this moment.

With all the planns for new stadiums in the Netherlands we would have a nice list of stadiums if they would go on:

Feyenoord Rotterdam 75 000
Ajax Amsterdam 65 000
FC Groningen 40 000
FC Twente Enschede 36 000
AZ Alkmaar 36 000
SC Heerenveen 30 000
NAC Breda 20 000

+ the allready exsisting
PSV Eindhoven 36 500
Vitesse Arnhem 27 500
FC Utrecht 24 500
Roda JC Kerkrade 19 200




Sorry I see I am repeting myself, that's not my fault, that's because they don't construct fast enough!!!!

that render is a joke of someone else lad...
I don't think they can make it. 35.000 would be far more than enough. and would the world cup 2018 come to the Netherland (I doubt that) than it is stil possible to look for 5.000 or 10.000 seats extra. this is crap, farmers aren't that much ambicious I thought.
it's nice how it is now. 19.000 on a capacity of 20.000 each game. do it in steps. FC Groningen isnt a club that keeps a level for a long time. if the results are falling the supporters arent comming anymore

I guess Groningen is looking towards their big concurrent SC Heerenveen, who also want 40,000. I think it's better when Groningen extends to 24,000 firstly next summer, and later on, when the demand is still huge, to construct a third tier, so they will have about 35,000 seats.

How will they expand to 24k? Move the seats closer to eachother? I'm assuming mostly cosmetic improvements, seems like too much of a hassle to compromise the current set-up for a mere 4k increment in capacity.

How will they expand to 24k? Move the seats closer to eachother? I'm assuming mostly cosmetic improvements, seems like too much of a hassle to compromise the current set-up for a mere 4k increment in capacity.

They are thinking of extending the stands more towards the field which would create about 4 000 seats more. I think this is a good idea. Closer to the field is more atmosphere!!!

that render is a joke of someone else lad...
I don't think they can make it. 35.000 would be far more than enough. and would the world cup 2018 come to the Netherland (I doubt that) than it is stil possible to look for 5.000 or 10.000 seats extra. this is crap, farmers aren't that much ambicious I thought.
it's nice how it is now. 19.000 on a capacity of 20.000 each game. do it in steps. FC Groningen isnt a club that keeps a level for a long time. if the results are falling the supporters arent comming anymore

So your not ambicious either, little boy from Purmerend:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: near to Amsterdam...........................................??????????????
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
(wannabe!!!)

So your not ambicious either, little boy from Purmerend:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: near to Amsterdam...........................................??????????????
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
(wannabe!!!)

little boy, wait untill I stand in front of you. 1.90m high:lol:
hey, it is'nt ambicious, apeldoorn is big by the way. that 'near to Amsterdam' is for the internationals over here. I did'nt expect any locals from our country.
by the way, if I stap in a bus that, drives here every 5 minutes, i'm standing in 25 minutes in the centre of Amsterdam. in many other countrys it is impossible to do that even if you live in the capitol.

(nog ff wat, check je bronnen eerst voordat je wat begint uit te kramen, wannebe first, you look like the press)

Well, he has a point. Calling people farmers when you yourself live in a haven of provincialism...

scaP187 Doesn't the Ajax stadium already exist ?.....on your list??? I live in Melbourne Australia and visited this stadium in 2000.

It does but it currently has a capacity of about 52,000.

Well, he has a point. Calling people farmers when you yourself live in a haven of provincialism...

:lol:
actualy i'm from Onderdijk. thats a village above Hoorn. I moved to where i'm now a decade ago. but i've explained it already why I have that 'near to'. avoiding questions, not to be a wannabe following the man from the veluwe...

:lol:
actualy i'm from Onderdijk. thats a village above Hoorn. I moved to where i'm now a decade ago. but i've explained it already why I have that 'near to'. avoiding questions, not to be a wannabe following the man from the veluwe...

Sorry but calling people from the city of Groningen farmers, while you come yourself from the village of Purmerend (or wurse). t made me laugh, but that is good for my health. Don't worry about, it will happen to me one time too.
me myself, I am from the village of Apeldoorn, which is still twice as big as Purmerend, but who gives a s...! The main thing is that you said that farmers shouldn't be that ambitious, why not, farmers from Eindhoven have been saving pride for the Netherlands for about the last 5 years.

I like clubs with ambition, big or small, because I like (bigger) stadiums.
So if Ajax want to go to 65 000, I respect that. If Feyenoord wants to go to 75 000, same goes for AZ, Twente and in this case Groningen.
I am in support of a strong as possible Dutch competition.

Any way you explaind it, I understand! (I am from Apeldoorn, near to Arnhem!)

Back to the stadiums!

Isn't it so that in the upper ring in the corners, it is allready diffecult to see the nearest by corner. It is only just possible.
Don't get me wrong the views in the Arena at this moment are perfect, but if they realy want to put an extra tear on top of it this will mean the tears sloop will be even more steeper.
MOP the steeper the better, but a lot of people not join my view on this I think.
Also if you expand with about 10 000 the tear will be rather small.
So it would be better to make the exsisting second tear bigger so they can go on with the same sloop.

http://i16.tinypic.com/4hmncl1.jpg

I know it is shit, but you get the idea?


maybe this will help you
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/8105/igifct2.jpg

2nd tier is about 34°
bernabeu 3rd tier is 41°
so a 3rd tier could be possible
But i don't know hao it would work with the roof
it would be the first expansion of a stadium with a Retractable-roof

new Feyenoord stadium proposal
capacity 72,000
http://www.almendron.com/blog/wp-content/images/mvrdv.jpg

^^ That is not really a proposal made by Feyenoord but rather by an architect alone. Feyenoord is seriously thinking about a new stadium with a capacity of 70,000 though.

About the Arena, they will investigate if they can somehow lift up the roof to make room for a third tier (or more likely, an extension of the second tier).

Isn't 72'000 a bit too much for Feyenoord :?
They have an average attendance of about 40'000 this year.
And I guess Amsterdam Arena will remain the 'national stadium'.

Isn't 72'000 a bit too much for Feyenoord :?
They have an average attendance of about 40'000 this year.
And I guess Amsterdam Arena will remain the 'national stadium'.

We don't have a 'national stadium'.

And we really don't need one either. Just like in Spain and Germany our national team goes to the people instead of the other way around.

In general, the big games are shared between Amsterdam and Rotterdam with Eindhoven hosting the majority of the smaller games. Once we have more 30,000 plus stadiums the spreading around will hopefully only increase so the North (Heerenveen, Groningen) and the East of the country can also host games (Enschede, Arnhem (admittedly, Arnhem has been host to several internationals already)). The national team belongs to the entire country, not to a single city.

We don't have a 'national stadium'.

Officialy no, but in general and public opinion, the national stadium is Rotterdam, de Kuip, if there is one.

Ok guys, my bad. I thought the Final of EC 2000 was in the AA and therefore assumed it to be the national stadium. But I just found out that it actually was in Rotterdam...

The ArenA is not the national stadium but it does seems to be the favorite with the KNVB nowadays. I once calculated that since its opening in 1996 ~45% of all home games of the national team were in the Amsterdam Arena leaving Rotterdam and Eindhoven and sometimes another city to share the remaining 55%.

Here's just for the last 5 years (jan 2002 - feb 2007)

Total: 31 games

ArenA: 13 games (42%)
Philips Stadium: 9 games (29%)
Stadion Feyenoord: 8 games (26%)
Galgenwaard: 1 game (3%)

Once we have more 30,000 plus stadiums the spreading around will hopefully only increase so the North (Heerenveen, Groningen) and the East of the country can also host games (Enschede, Arnhem (admittedly, Arnhem has been host to several internationals already)). The national team belongs to the entire country, not to a single city.
I'm afraid that won't happen that easily.

First the Dutch team plays 6 or 7 home games each year. I agree if each city you mentioned hosts one game it would be fair but Amsterdam (and Rotterdam, Eindhoven) won't give 'their games' away that easily.

Also Groningen, Heerenveen and Enschede might not have the ideal location for fans living the west and south where the majority of the Dutch people live. You have 12-13 million people within 1,5 or maybe 2 hours from either Amsterdam, Rotterdam or Eindhoven while only a few million can get to Groningen, Heerenveen or Enschede in the same time.

And the Gelredome has not hosted an interland since 2001...

Officialy no, but in general and public opinion, the national stadium is Rotterdam, de Kuip, if there is one.

lol, not.

Resultaten 1 - 4 van 4 voor "favoriete voetbalstadion" arena.
Resultaten 1 - 6 van circa 9 voor "favoriete voetbalstadion" kuip.
9-4
Just like the match from 29. November, 1964: Feyenoord 9 - Ajax 4 ...

Resultaten 1 - 4 van 4 voor "favoriete voetbalstadion" arena.
Resultaten 1 - 6 van circa 9 voor "favoriete voetbalstadion" kuip.
9-4
Just like the match from 29. November, 1964: Feyenoord 9 - Ajax 4 ...

Haha knurft. Doe het dan goed.

Resultaten 1 - 10 van circa 50.300.000 voor rotterdam
Resultaten 1 - 10 van circa 149.000.000 voor amsterdam
(0-1)

Resultaten 1 - 10 van circa 1.280.000 voor de kuip
Resultaten 1 - 10 van circa 2.860.000 voor amsterdam arena
(0-2)

Resultaten 1 - 10 van circa 5.590.000 voor feyenoord
Resultaten 1 - 10 van circa 72.700.000 voor ajax
(0-3)

Rotterdam population: 588,718 (2006) (Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotterdam))
Amsterdam population: 741,329 (1 August 2006) (Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdam))
Rotterdam De Kuip: Capacity 51,137
Amsterdam Arena: Capacity 51,628
(0-4)

Just like the match from 22-10-2006: Feyenoord 0 - Ajax 4.

http://www.vak410.nl/foto/0607/feyenoorduit/36.jpg

Sla elkaars harsens anders gewoon even op straat in ofzo.