GM I respectfully disagree. The hygine culture (about the common spaces) is very very low in Macedonia and that's a fact. Even if the city cleaners had superpowers they wouldn't be able to cope with the prevailing primitivism of the majority regarding this issue. We are not only talking about littering but illigal systematic disposal of various kinds of waste on undesignated locations in order to dodge disposal fees. That's an even bigger issue IMO. I don't know if U had the chance to go to Strumica while Ur stay here, but the enterance to the city (which is overall nice and clean) is one big wastland from illegaly disposed garbage, mostely construction materials. The western enterance to Skopje was quite similar till recently now the construction of the Saraj interchange for the northern bypass has covered this. If U go towards Sonje U'll see several locations like this.

As for the littering? The Skopje-Tetovo highway is one big dupster especaially around the paytolls. I agree if Makeodnija pat emply people to at least clean the paytolls regulary it would look much better but U can't expect them to clean the whole lenght of the highway daily. And I have never driven on that road without seeing someone throwing something from the windows of their cars. The gastarbeiters especially piss me off, they surely don't throw all kinds of crap on the Swiss and German highways but when they come here their brains seem to balkanize instantly.

@shyes I agree with Ur proposed measures but I think the students/pupils are the lesser problem. I much more often see a midaged man/woman do the littering than a teenager. The teenagers trash the city parks though pretty much every night in the summers.
Even the bigger problem are those illegal waste disposal people. No campaign can reach them just harsh harsh punishements and even that won't work instantly. It's already proven that the punishement campaigns have to be enforced for a longer period of time in order to have some effects otherwise everything goes back to as it was before.

As for the recycling. We are nowhere. Most of Macedonia doesn't even have sanitary waste disposal sites. Even Skopje didn't have one until some 10 years ago. Recycling is still far away for us IMO.

Dewrob bracko what your talking about is beyond the limits od city councils. Im talking about small rubbish like bottles, chocolates wrappers etc which you can see infront of almost every building and footpath around macedonia in the major cities... this can be cleaned up one example is the Skopje municipality of Aerodrom, i read last week that they started employing "cleaners" who will pick up the rubbish all around the suburb, let me know if there is a difference between aerodrom and other municipalities in skopje with this campaign.

Haven been Strumica yet.. i know what u mean such is the case with the highway above bitola but as i said these are large scale rubbish problems i was talking about inner city littering, that can be cleaned up if the municipalities invested a little bit of their budget into maintaining the hygene there.

^^

OK let's say I agree but I stil think the (un)culture of the people remains. U can't convince me that Australians have the same littering capabilities as Macedonians.

The authorities should raise the standards. The workers don't clean frequent enough, the quality of the job they do when they do it is questionable, they are underequiped. I also think they have outdated standards and procedures for tackling these issues, they always have lack of coordination between the different complementary services etc.

^^ I don't know if the source is reliable but on that show about Skopje on Telma, this one worker said that Skopje is the only city in Europe where they clean up the streets every day and he said that they still can't keep up!

^^

sounds like a bunch of crap... they are notorious for such showing offs without even trying to back their claims with arguments. Even if it's true I still stand by my point... what's clening, spilling drinking water on the streets as they do?! there are zilions more efficient and effective ways of cleaning the streets...

btw Total is back online... they published the first news since 27.07.... that's 24 days pause, almost a whole month... fucking loosers, I can't beleive on one hand they are trying to sell this capitalist enterpreneur image (Kapital magazine and Total) and on the other hand they act completely comunistic. I wish some other portal would come in on the market and kick their ass... Netpress is much more professional regarding this but they are for general news unlike Total which is purely economical portal.

^^ Our first president Zhelyu Zhelev in his most famous book "The Fascism" writes that the slighter forms of totalitarian society lead to a lot longer transition period to democracy ... Looking at Macedonia i think he is quite right. My impressions on the macedonian press is that in many aspects it sounds just like in good old comunist times and many sensitive themes that may rise issues are still taboo over there.

btw Total is back online... they published the first news since 27.07.... that's 24 days pause, almost a whole month... fucking loosers, I can't beleive on one hand they are trying to sell this capitalist enterpreneur image (Kapital magazine and Total) and on the other hand they act completely comunistic. I wish some other portal would come in on the market and kick their ass... Netpress is much more professional regarding this but they are for general news unlike Total which is purely economical portal.
About time! They must have used up their holidays for the year.

^^ Our first president Zhelyu Zhelev in his most famous book "The Fascism" writes that the slighter forms of totalitarian society lead to a lot longer transition period to democracy ... Looking at Macedonia i think he is quite right. My impressions on the macedonian press is that in many aspects it sounds just like in good old comunist times and many sensitive themes that may rise issues are still taboo over there.
No not really, we're not as sensitive on internal issues as our ever so friendly neighbours are:) Crawl away now.

Dejan, just ignore the frustrated cretin ;)

^^Who?? ;)

Oh i read this on Utrinski, not sure how much effect it will have, but the business guy Mike Zafirovski from Canada is helping implement the economic plan 'Macedonia 2025', as well as other Macedonian business people over seas. More here (http://www.utrinski.com.mk/?ItemID=FF3ACB5A01F5814AA41287998A06B048). I hope it's not something that's just put up on display and doesn't get carried out properly in the seriousness it should be.

Dejan, just ignore the frustrated cretin ;)

Tnanks a lot for the definition you labeled me with ;) The problem is never in you , it's always in the cretins that surround you , right ? ;)

Something from A1 about the wireless internet, choosing which companies are to support the network on a regional basis, more here (http://a1.com.mk/vesti/default.asp?VestID=82857)
It seems that they're doing it by region, north, east, west, south. To make it easier to spread out.

^^Who?? ;)

Oh i read this on Utrinski, not sure how much effect it will have, but the business guy Mike Zafirovski from Canada is helping implement the economic plan 'Macedonia 2025', as well as other Macedonian business people over seas. More here (http://www.utrinski.com.mk/?ItemID=FF3ACB5A01F5814AA41287998A06B048). I hope it's not something that's just put up on display and doesn't get carried out properly in the seriousness it should be.

the good thing from this is that diaspora, especially the high profile sucesfull individuals are finally mobilising themselves to help the country and to build better and sustainable relations with it. Another great example is the United Macedonian Disapora (http://www.umdiaspora.org/) who have been very active in political lobbying.

Yeah that's definitely true. It's a good initiation by people like Mike, which is saying that he's getting into the process of it. Encourages others to follow his path.
UMD is a great organisation, they've had good influence from what i know!

FUCK YES TOTAL IS BACK! :cheers:
BTW, I've heard about this 2025 plan but I find it real BS. The thing I like about it tho is that it makes the diaspora more active. Honestly how can you make a 20 year plan?? We can't even follow through a 4 year one :hammer:

What is Total?

^^ www.total.com.mk
the Macedonian economic portal.

How is it back...you mean it was offline?

How is it back...you mean it was offline?

They did not post any news for 3 weeks (VACATION). Slackers!!!

Nope, they were on vacation :)

EDIT: Patem za site Makedonci, svrtete sega na tretiot kanal na MTV ima repriza od komisijata za odzemanje na imunitet na Bucko... uste ne pocnala deshavkata :D

How is it back...you mean it was offline?

no, it was online but it wasn't updated for almost a month because the bastards took a collective vacation. Just like in the good old days. That's like for example www.pari.bg shutting down for a month to chill out...

Aren't there other economy portals?

no, it was online but it wasn't updated for almost a month because the bastards took a collective vacation. Just like in the good old days. That's like for example www.pari.bg shutting down for a month to chill out...

www.pari.bg is kind of stale.

I strongly recommend www.investor.bg, www.money.bg, or www.profit.bg. Investor.bg is the best though.

Aren't there other economy portals?

there are others altough the compatition is not tough. But Total/Kapital like to think of themselves as promoters of capitalism and enterpreneurship in Macedonia and they do things like this. That's what pisses me off

www.pari.bg is kind of stale.

I strongly recommend www.investor.bg, www.money.bg, or www.profit.bg. Investor.bg is the best though.

thanx new bulgaria, I just used the first bulgarian economy portal that came on my mind to make a paralel

hi ya ppl, I couldn't find Skopje thread so I guess I'll post my question here.

Are there any cool projects going on in Skopje, some tall towers perhaps, anything over 70m would do :)

I am so impressed with Sarajevo thing, that I like to see how Skopje is doing as well :)

Any proposals as well, no matter how mad :)

thanx, :cheers:

hi ya ppl, I couldn't find Skopje thread so I guess I'll post my question here.

Are there any cool projects going on in Skopje, some tall towers perhaps, anything over 70m would do :)

I am so impressed with Sarajevo thing, that I like to see how Skopje is doing as well :)

Any proposals as well, no matter how mad :)

thanx, :cheers:
Well no tall tower projects in Skopje at the moment...however, proposals...well you said no matter how mad, what about 3 400m towers?:D
Well that's what we thought when we first heard that, but journalists got their info wrong;) There was a lot of talk and that ended up to be the maximum height but the authorities were thinking 50 floors not 90 or however...but yeah this is when the discussion started in our last Skopje development thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=461949&page=14)...just some info there.

@ mic

Skopje development & construction threads are located in the
Projects & Construction Updates section.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505003

Второто управляващо дружество в Македония е с български капитал

Иново Статус АД, компания, учредена от македонския инвестиционен посредник Иново брокер АД и българския Статус инвест АД, получи одобрение за извършване на дейност като управляващо дружество от местната комисия по ценните книжа. 50% от капитала са собственост на македонския брокер Иново, 20% на Статус Инвест, 11% на Владислав Панев и останалите до 19% са собственост на български лица, всяко от които има под 5%.

Иново Статус АД e второто лицензирано управляващо дружество в Македония. Вероятно през тази седмица дружеството ще подаде документи и за лицензирането на първия си договорен фонд в Македония, като неговата насоченост ще бъде инвестиции в акции в държавите от бивша Югославия. Очакванията са той да започне работа около октомври-ноември тази година.

След това ще бъдат направени и постъпки за публично предлагане на фонда в България.

„Очакванията ни са пазара на управление на активи в Македония да се развие изключително бързо, предвид повишения интерес към фондовата борса и започването на работа на първите задължителни пенсионни фондове в страната”, заяви Владислав Панев, председател на Съвета на директорите на Иново Статус АД. „Надяваме се нашият опит и факта, че сме сред първите да ни позволят да постигнем значителен пазарен дял. Считам, че през първите 3 месеца от началото на публичното предлагане фондът ще надхвърли чувствително изискваните от закона 500 хиляди евро активи”, допълни Панев.

Иново брокер АД е лицензиран инвестиционен посредник и работи на фондовия пазар в Македония от началото на 2006 година. За този период дружеството се изкачи в челната тройка по оборот на борсата в Скопие. Акционер в дружеството е й българина Васил Батов, брокер на БФБ-София в недалечното минало, другите акционери са българи и македонци, включително Камен Диков, притежавал български инвестиционен посредник в недалечното минало.

Статус инвест АД работи на българският пазар от 1998 година. През миналата година посредникът участва в учредяването на управляващото дружество Статус капитал АД, което управлява договорните фондове Статус нови акции и Статус финанси, специализирани в инвестиции в международни ценни книжа. Активите на двата фонда са около 23 милиона лева, което представлява ръст от около 400% от началото на годината.

What's "управляващо дружество"?

new bulgaria very soon, your signature will start to make sense again :)

^^

lol

new bulgaria very soon, your signature will start to make sense again :)

In't that right? I can be such a sorry ass.:)

What's "управляващо дружество"?

Asset management/investment management firm. It's good for MK. These type of firms (I work for one) normally launch mutual funds (open to small and large investors) and manage money for other clients: pension funds, insurance companies, wealthy individuals etc.

It means that your financial market is getting more sophisticated.

^^

Thnx


It's good for MK.

Oh OK then. At first I thought it might be something bad (coming from Bulgaria and all)

:poke:



:lol: j/k

^^

Thnx




Oh OK then. At first I thought it might be something bad (coming from Bulgaria and all)

:poke:



:lol: j/k

Has anything bad ever come from BG? :lol: :lol: :poke: It's all warm feelings. Too warm somethimes, I guess. :D

Has anything bad ever come from BG? :lol: :lol: :poke: It's all warm feelings. Too warm somethimes, I guess. :D

^^ Well , it has to be me ... The cretin who likes to raise some sensitive themes from time to time :lol: :lol: :lol: :poke:

До крајот на годината „Бугарија Ер“ ќе отвори редовна авионска линија Софија-Скопје
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До крајот на годината бугарската авиокомпанија „Бугарија Ер“ ќе отвори три редовни авионски линии Софија - Скопје, Софија - Белград и Софија - Истанбул, соопшти Димитар Павлов, извршен директор на компанијата.
Павлов изјави дека овие линии ќе имаат по четири лета седмично, а цените на билетите ќе бидат конкурентни.

Новите линии воглавно се очекува да ги користат туристи, но тие ќе опслужуваат и бизнис-патувања, за кои според Павлов, ќе има најголем интерес.

“Бугарија Ер” е национален авиопревозник во Бугарија и оперира во 13 држави во западна Европа, Чешка, Израел и Русија. Главната централа на компанијата е на софискиот аеродром.
(Тотал)

До крајот на годината „Бугарија Ер“ ќе отвори редовна авионска линија Софија-Скопје
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До крајот на годината бугарската авиокомпанија „Бугарија Ер“ ќе отвори три редовни авионски линии Софија - Скопје, Софија - Белград и Софија - Истанбул, соопшти Димитар Павлов, извршен директор на компанијата.
Павлов изјави дека овие линии ќе имаат по четири лета седмично, а цените на билетите ќе бидат конкурентни.

Новите линии воглавно се очекува да ги користат туристи, но тие ќе опслужуваат и бизнис-патувања, за кои според Павлов, ќе има најголем интерес.

“Бугарија Ер” е национален авиопревозник во Бугарија и оперира во 13 држави во западна Европа, Чешка, Израел и Русија. Главната централа на компанијата е на софискиот аеродром.
(Тотал)

It's very good news.:banana:
След обединението на трите български авиокомпании Bulgaria Air, Hemus Air и Viaggio Air (най-сетне) националния ни авиопревозвач започна да набира скорост. С трите нови дестинации ще се разшири кръгозора на компанията в Балканиския полуостров. Но смятам, че разстоянието между София и Скопие е твърде малкол По-добре да се открие авиолиния
София-Охрид и/или Варна-Скопие и Бургас-Скопие. Да се открие толкова къса авиолиния между София и Скопие е все едно да се открие авиолиниа между София и Пловдив или между Скопие и Охрид. Просто тези разстояния са твърде малки за авиодестинации, но все пак последна дума има авиокомпанията.:)
:cheers:

Reminds me of an old joke about Todor Jivkov flying from Sofia to Varna. The plane took off and after some time Tosho asked the pilot "Is this Vitosha?"...and the pilot said "shefe, veche sme nad Varna" :)

@modern bulgaria, no offence but can we please keep the posts in English?! It's an international forum and even us Macedonians talk English between ourselves 99% of the time.

Fitch raises outlook on Macedonia's BB+ sovereign credit rating to positive from stable
21 August 2007 | 11:43 | FOCUS News Agency
Skopje. Fitch raised its outlook on Macedonia's BB+ sovereign credit rating to positive from stable, citing the government's reform efforts aimed at attracting foreign investment, world agencies inform.
“The government's ambitious reform programme to create an investor-friendly business climate and attract greenfield FDI underpins the improving creditworthiness of the sovereign”, Fitch said.
Tax reforms, prudent fiscal policy, steps to cut red tape and tackle judicial shortcomings are key to boost investment, employment and growth, which is far below regional peers. Government debt ratios are expected to fall to 26 percent of GDP in 2007 after Macedonia repaid debts to the IMF, most of its Paris Club and some of its World Bank debt. Fitch highlighted Macedonia's trade deficit amounting to 20.6 percent of GDP last year, and its narrow export base as weaknesses.

Macedonia to build/buy 15 new embassies as a replacement for the diplomatic missions that use rented space. The cost is 40.000.000 Euro.


Четириесет милиони евра за 15 македонски амбасади

Идната година Македонија ќе има 15 нови амбасади и конзуларни претставништва, објекти во сопственост на државата. Годишната заштеда по отворањето на објектите ќе биде околу 600 илјади евра, колку што денес државата плаќа за закуп за амбасадите и конзуларните претставништва во повеќе земји. Република Македонија ќе има сопствени амбасади и конзуларни претставништва во Виена, Љубљана, Прага, Анкара, Истанбул, Рим, Мадрид, Москва, Букурешт, Лондон, Стокхолм, Солун, Будимпешта, Варшава и во Софија. Владата вчера од девизните резерви за оваа намена оддели 40 милиони евра. Од 1991 до 2001 година Република Македонија купи или изгради пет дипломатско-конзуларни претставништва.



http://www.vreme.com.mk/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=0&tabid=1&ArticleID=76112&EditionID=1184

^^ What is "амбасади" ?:)

^^ посолства (embassies) :)

^^ посолства (embassies) :)

Thank you very much.:)

Finally! Something that should have been done a long time ago - the WAT for the public transport has dropped from the normal 18% rate, to the low 5% rate. First good decision of the government for a while now. Hopefully it will help remedy the catastrophic public transport situation in Skopje especially.


ДДВ во јавен транспорт се намалува на 5 насто

Скопје /23/08/ 14:01

Мерка со која се намалува на данокот на додадена вредност во јавниот транспорт од 18 на 5 отсто, донесе владата на денешната седница.

Одлуката на прес конференција ја соопшти премиерот Никола Груевски, додавајќи дека очекува да бидат намалени цените за превозните услуги во целиот јавен транспорт.

Притоа Груевски информираше дека оваа одлука ќе го чини македонскиот буџет 150 милиони денари годишно, но дека корист ќе имаат македонските граѓани.

Запрашан што ќе се случи доколку превозниците и покрај оваа одлука не ги намалат цените на превозот, Груевски одговори дека владата ќе ги преземе сите мерки што се во нејзина надлежност, ќе спроведе контроли дали навистина немаат услови да ги намалат цените, но и дека очекува и конкуренцијата да си го направи своето.

Груевски информираше дека одлуката е донесена согласно европските директиви и дека за неа бил информиран и ММФ.


http://www.makfax.com.mk/look/novina/article.tpl?IdLanguage=10&IdPublication=2&NrArticle=80359&NrIssue=432&NrSection=10

^^ Hmm.. I don't know guys, instead of lowering VATs constantly maybe they should try and BUILD A FUCKING TRAM LINE or a metro or something that's actually useful!!!!!

^^ Hmm.. I don't know guys, instead of lowering VATs constantly maybe they should try and BUILD A FUCKING TRAM LINE or a metro or something that's actually useful!!!!!

Yes it's VAT not WAT, I don't know what the hell is wrong with me lately :bash: :lol:


Anyway I don't agree with your point about the VAT for public transport. It is only normal to be the lower rate. And I don't know how we ended up with 18% in the first place.

But I agree with you in a way, concerning the rise of the pensions and salaries for public administration. Perhaps the rise is too big. They should have used some of that surplus for infrastructure projects. What they are doing is pretty unproductive IMO. Just my 2 cents.

^^

I'm thorn between Ur view and the fact that the salaries have stagnated for way too long. We've been dragging from 150EUR to the current 240EUR average salary for the past 7-8 years if I'm correct. That's way too slow. We've seen some other countries making great leaps forward, for example Serbia and much of it is due to the correction of the salaries in the public sector. Then what U say also make sense.

Another reason why I oppose this move is that I don't think the public sector deserves a raise in most cases. They should have set up a mechanism where each public institution will have it's work monitored and only if they fulfilled some criteria (for example QoS, efficiency, standards for handling citizen requests etc). In other word they'd be forced to earn their raise. Like this we are only awarding their lazyness and inefficiency.

Your second point is what I mostly had in mind when thinking about this significant raise. Plus our infrastructure investment remains painfully low.

Anyway I don't agree with your point about the VAT for public transport. It is only normal to be the lower rate. And I don't know how we ended up with 18% in the first place.

I never said that it shouldn't be lowered, but it seems that all of the tricks they had up their sleeve were populist projects (like the Alexander statue proposal or the new/old theater), tax cuts and paying back old debts, as opposed to investing in infrastructure or social politics.
It's nice to have a government that pays attention to these things but opening net cafes for the elderly and reducing airport taxes just won't do it.
BTW, to clear things up a bit, I was very apolitical before the elections (mostly because of my disappointment from previous governments) but became somewhat optimistic concerning their "100 steps" program. I'm still supportive, but like you Realek my patience is running out.. hopefully we won't be disappointed once more. :cheers:

^^

we're all on the same frequency Gotsomekicks, regarding the patience thing

Do you guys know more about this?

http://www.dnevnik.com.mk/default-mk.asp?ItemID=EC17D99BE0C1B442BC4EA97691271ACF&arc=1

This should be stopped immediatly, if not one by one the municipalities with Albanian majority will follow and Macedonia could be plunged again into another bloody war.:ohno:

^^

Crazy peasants still living in the 16th century. They are just kidding themselves. They do not have a potential to make even minor problems. International geopolitic games on the other hand could make huge problems unfortunately...

^^

Crazy peasants still living in the 16th century. They are just kidding themselves. They do not have a potential to make even minor problems. International geopolitic games on the other hand could make huge problems unfortunately...

Crazy peasants were the ones who started the conflict in 2000. Crazy peasants could also start a new one (hopefully not). They simply need a shepherd (their hodzha) and the herd is ready :bash:

^^

Crazy peasants didn't start anything. It was just theater... Today it is the same - they can't start anything if there is no overseas director to give them roles. I just hope that the "director" decided that he has no more use for them. If they are on their own they will make fools of them selves at best, or get killed at worst.

They are just petty pawns in the big guys dirty game. If they believe that they have genuine support, they are heading for a disaster.

^^

Crazy peasants didn't start anything. It was just theater... Today it is the same - they can't start anything if there is no overseas director to give them roles. I just hope that the "director" decided that he has no more use for them. If they are on their own they will make fools of them selves at best, or get killed at worst.

They are just petty pawns in the big guys dirty game. If they believe that they have genuine support, they are heading for a disaster.

You probably remember the 2000-01 conflict better than I do, but I do remember that it all started in the villages neighboring Kosovo and it slowly spread throughout the western part of the country.

Only a small spark is needed and it could restart all over again. True, the peasants will not achieve much without any external support, but they could suprise you if they start gaining support throughout the other municipalities and that later someone revives the NLA. (knock on wood)

^^

First of all Albanians in Macedonia should be extremely stupid to risk the very good position they are in right now. But if there is another episode like that (without external support this time), they will get a pretty good reality check. Probably not even by Macedonians, but from their overseas master. And no offense to Albanians, but I think they actually need a reality check - extremism must be finally stopped in the region, one way or the other.

I doubt whether anything will happen...just usual 'chest puffing' crap on the side of idiots like that Hodza guy. Anyway i really hope nothing does....as much i bet as some of our neighbours would love nothing more than to see us wiped away.

^^

First of all Albanians in Macedonia should be extremely stupid to risk the very good position they are in right now. But if there is another episode like that (without external support this time), they will get a pretty good reality check. Probably not even by Macedonians, but from their overseas master. And no offense to Albanians, but I think they actually need a reality check - extremism must be finally stopped in the region, one way or the other.

^^ I have respect for the albanians at least for one thing. They know what they are and they know what they want no matter if they are albanians in Albania , Kosovo or Macedonia. Looking back in history it is ironic though to see how in 1913 macedonians and albanians together revolted against the serbian occupation in Ohrid and Debar... and now they have problems between each other. Probably the key to todays situation lays in the different path the macedonians and albanians chose after ww1 and the different mentality of the two ethnoses... In the late 30-ies the macedonians were already piecefull and broken and were talking about how "ljepo" it was under serbian rule ... while the albanians continued their fight in Kosovo and continued to cause the same problems to the serbs as 30 years before...

So Albanians might be mediocre , might be peasents as someone here labeled them but they for sure knew and know what they want. Persistence is always a lot more valuable quality than inconsistency...

^^hey btw Realek, you make good points! Reality check being the key word, not just for them, but all other Balkan people.

Anyway something interesting from total news! I remember this from last year(?) with the Portuguese and just thought it was something Buckovski was humouring with, but it's real:) (wait, wasn't this supposed to replace that burnt hotel?)

Преспа се подготвува за отпочнување на изградбата на Аквапура
На 27 септември во Преспа ќе биде удрен камен-темелникот на хотелскиот комплекс “Аквапура”. Во моментов во тек е постапката за донесување на деталниот урбанистички план кој е услов португалскиот инвеститор да ја обезбеди потребната документација за отпочнување на градежните работи. Урбанистичкиот план би требало да биде донесен надоцна до петти септември со што ќе се прецизира вкупната површина на земјиштето на кое треба да се гради луксузниот хотел.
About a hotel complex in the Prespa lake area, where on 27september the foundations will be set for the complex 'Aqua Pura'. Just needs an urban plan, where it should be done by 5 september.

And the rest

Проектот "Аквапура Македонија", чија вредност се проценува на околу 50 милиони евра, предвидува изградба на хотел од највисока категорија со 70 соби и апартмани, 50 индивидуални вили, СПА центар од 2.000 квадратни метри, бизнис-центар со сали опремени со најсовремени аудиовизуелни и комуникациски системи, концесија за скијачки центар и за ловен резерват на Галичица.
Компанијата “Аквапура” во јуни минатата година го купи државното земјиште за градба по цена од едно евро за квадратен метар. Во сопственост на “Аквапура” е и хотелот Европа, кој фактички се наоѓа во средина на купеното земјиште. Планирано е комплексот да биде готов до крајот на 2009 година.
The project 'Aqua Pura Macedonia', worth 50million euros, expects construction of a high category, with 70 rooms and apartments, 50 individual villas, a spa centre 2000square metres, business centre with a hall, and some sort of ski centre on the mountain Galichica. It's planned for the complex to be built by the end of 2009 year!

linky (http://www.total.com.mk/ShowNewsAdv.aspx?ItemID=8292&mid=303&tabId=1&tabindex=0)

You probably remember the 2000-01 conflict better than I do, but I do remember that it all started in the villages neighboring Kosovo and it slowly spread throughout the western part of the country.

Only a small spark is needed and it could restart all over again. True, the peasants will not achieve much without any external support, but they could suprise you if they start gaining support throughout the other municipalities and that later someone revives the NLA. (knock on wood)

actually it started in the very same village... anyways I don't think much can be done about them at the moment. Much stronger countries had much harder time with criminal/separatists structures like this (ex. Spain, Britain) and still they haven't managed to tackle them. As long as there is funding and support from beyond for these lowlives they will cause trouble after all it's their job to do so. By this I don't mean that we shouldn't bust the asses of the people responsible, but not fool ourselves that that will solve anything.

The important things are to prevent the radicalization of the general Albanian population in MK and the Albanian political spectrum (both are far from radicalization of course, for the time being the latest Tanusevci episode is just loony toons) and to be sure we are sticking to our part of the deal (which we are) in order to cut their international support. These are the only weapons of choice, forced solutions won't solve anything. With a forced scenario it's not very hard to achieve another Bosnia and we all know how that ended...

wait, wasn't this supposed to replace that burnt hotel?


If you're referring to Hotel Evropa, then only parts of the kitchen and restaurant were burnt. It was that commie luxury villa next to it that was burnt. And that is the thing that is bugging me - Hotel Evropa is great hotel and only some 15 years old. I guess they are demolishing it because it doesn't fit their overall concept... But it is great pity nevertheless. The hotel just looked awesome built in that cliff. Here are two pics I found, but they don't do it any justice honestly.

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/386/evropaza2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9778/12hv7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Ohh yeah now i remember, the kitchen and stuff was...

Well the second picture does it a lot of justice i think hehe :laugh: :naughty:

It looks like a pretty situated hotel from this picture too
http://www.prespa.org.mk/Evropa1nadvor.jpg

Guess they wanna go after something more modern.

@realek
I hope you're not labeling all albanians as "peasants"

@realek
I hope you're not labeling all albanians as "peasants"

I think he meant about the group from Tanusevci (a border village with Kosovo) which are messing around. A known troll around here tried to imply that Realek said all albanians are peasants. That's his aim so just ignore him

@realek
I hope you're not labeling all albanians as "peasants"
He isn't, he was referring to those who live in the village of Tanushevci, north of Skopje who are stirring something about a referendum to join onto Kosovo, orchestrated by Dzezair Shakiri or commandent Hodza as he's known.

@realek
I hope you're not labeling all albanians as "peasants"

I see others defended me already but I better do it myself :D

I was referring specifically to that particular group of mountain villagers, and peasants is what they are. That is all.

As for Turnovec's comment and his attempt to twist my words, just ignore him. He has been talking to himself in Macedonian threads for a long time now. Mega-trolls like him are best to be ignored.

I think he meant about the group from Tanusevci (a border village with Kosovo) which are messing around. A known troll around here tried to imply that Realek said all albanians are peasants. That's his aim so just ignore him

Funny , but when mentioning the "peasents" i meant BG patriot and not Realek :) Anyway cheers from me - the known troll :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanks for clarifying.
I havent heard of this news in Tanushevci but i'm sure majority of the population there wants to live in peace. I've already stated my views on Macedonia and it would be tragic if another conflict came about. It would stall the region economically and set us back another 5 years.

Thanks for clarifying.
I havent heard of this news in Tanushevci but i'm sure majority of the population there wants to live in peace. I've already stated my views on Macedonia and it would be tragic if another conflict came about. It would stall the region economically and set us back another 5 years.

it's nothing major just a local bigshot making funky statements. The thing with this Tanusevci is that it naturaly gravitates to Kosovo. Till the 2001 conflict I don't think anyone in MK heard about it. The break up of YU and the imposed aftificial borders disrupted the life of the locals, on some places the border cuts through their fields...

However, idiot ideas like secession are not a solution. Quick Eurointegration and dismantling of the borders is. That way the people can continue their lifes as they were without putting the whole region at risk with some moves that can cause a domino effect.

The break up of YU and the imposed aftificial borders disrupted the life of the locals, on some places the border cuts through their fields...


You should sometimes get interested how it is like all across the western border of Bulgaria ... from Vidin to Petrich. At some places it even goes through the middle of some of the villages with one of the neighbourhoods aquired by Serbia and the others remaining in Bulgaria.

Eurointegration by far depends on the solution for the Kosovo crisis. So as long as this issue remains unclear , there is no Euro future for the region.

However i have recently read one article showing how totally different opinions macedonians and albanians in Macedonia have about the important questions for the future of their country :


Поларизација меѓу Македонците и Албанците околу најбитните прашања за
перспективата на Македонија

дали се согласувате дека постојат етнички групи во нашата земја кои
претставуваат закана за суверенитетот на државата,

дури 30 % од испитаниците одговориле дека сосема се согласуваат,
додека само 13,9 % не се согласиле со ваков исказ.
Од овие 30 % кои се согласиле,
дури 41,3 % се етнички Македонци,
а само 2,1 % се Албанци.
Останатиот процент спаѓа во категоријата „други“.

Во однос на второто прашање, 33,3 % сосема се согласиле дека
„соседните држави содржат делови од државата кои ни припаѓаат нам“
и од нив дури 44,2 % се етнички Македонци,
28,4 % се други,
а само 2,6 % се етнички Албанци.

Третото прашање е формулирано вака: НАТО ни го посакува најдоброто за
нашата држава и со овој исказ се согласиле само 16,4 %,
а се спротивставиле 19,2 %.
Од оние што се согласиле со исказот, 10,4 % се етнички Македонци,
12,1 % се други
и дури 36,6 % се етнички Албанци.

На четвртото прашање: до кој степен се согласувате дека ЕУ ни го
посакува најдоброто за нашата држава,
19 % од испитаниците сосема се согласиле со овој исказ,
а 15,6 % изразиле несогласување.
Од вкупната бројка, само 12,7 % етнички Македонци сосема се
согласуваат со исказот,
18,7 % се други,
а дури 38,3 % се Албанци.

Funny , but when mentioning the "peasents" i meant BG patriot and not Realek :) Anyway cheers from me - the known troll :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well usually, a person coming from a village and living in a village is called a peasant...I don't understand why it would be discriminative to label them as such? I didn't label all Albanians as peasants, but I do label some of them as sheep...I am not saying it is a strictly Albanian thing, we also have this phenomenon in Bulgaria with Ataka, with the countless selyandouri sreaming Ataka and having no idea of what would be the repercutions if Siderov gets the power, simply following the shepherd...same thing in Macedonia, the hodzha and the peasants that hear his call...

Crazy peasants still living in the 16th century. They are just kidding themselves. They do not have a potential to make even minor problems. International geopolitic games on the other hand could make huge problems unfortunately...

I'm afraid things are getting a bit out of control. Not just because of this Tanushevci thing, but also because of DUI's continuous policy of acting like it is the sole albanian party in our country and their disrespect of the institutions. They don't even have a Macedonian flag on their press conferences. They do, on the other hand, have the Albanian, USA and EU flags. They boycott the parliament in key moments for our future and it seems like the only thing they want is a divided Macedonia.
Realek you say that they don't have support from abroad. Well, it might be the case now, but as we all know albanians are leaders in organized crime and smuggling women and selling drugs, and they pay a shitload of money to fulfill their needs. Remember the Ahtissari scandal? Also, remember how in 2001 they had absolutely NO support from the EU and USA and they were labeled as "terrorists" but (this is my guess) after they threw in a big pile of narco-cash, they suddenly became "liberty fighters" and were taken back to the battlefield with air-conditioned buses once caught.

And if another conflict arises we're going to lose it faster then the last one. After SDSM branded all our forces as criminals, I'm not sure that people will want to fight for their country anymore. Our forces were hunger striking while the real criminals were sitting in their comfy parliament chairs.

I better not see anybody making any stupid claims around here or I'll get somebody to do some cleaning up in here
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2986/adminfp9fk4.gif

I agree with some your points and disagree with others, but let's again focus on projects and development before this thread goes out of control and needs cleaning.

I'm afraid things are getting a bit out of control. Not just because of this Tanushevci thing, but also because of DUI's continuous policy of acting like it is the sole albanian party in our country and their disrespect of the institutions. They don't even have a Macedonian flag on their press conferences. They do, on the other hand, have the Albanian, USA and EU flags. They boycott the parliament in key moments for our future and it seems like the only thing they want is a divided Macedonia.
Realek you say that they don't have support from abroad. Well, it might be the case now, but as we all know albanians are leaders in organized crime and smuggling women and selling drugs, and they pay a shitload of money to fulfill their needs. Remember the Ahtissari scandal? Also, remember how in 2001 they had absolutely NO support from the EU and USA and they were labeled as "terrorists" but (this is my guess) after they threw in a big pile of narco-cash, they suddenly became "liberty fighters" and were taken back to the battlefield with air-conditioned buses once caught.

And if another conflict arises we're going to lose it faster then the last one. After SDSM branded all our forces as criminals, I'm not sure that people will want to fight for their country anymore. Our forces were hunger striking while the real criminals were sitting in their comfy parliament chairs.

I don't think Ur analysis of 2001 is quite accurate. The NLA had different ambitions when they started and they failed them largely. This was achieved excately cause the western support of the teriotorial integrity of Macedonia. The transformation of the western stance on the NLA from terorist to human right fighter comes in the direction of creating the circumstances for faster reconciliation. And altough at that time with the Aracinovo affair and all that happened it didn't look like that, from this time distance it's definately clear that everything that happened was for the good of Macedonia. We recovered from a war (regardless how minor it was) with neglecteble material damage and with barely scratched inter ethnic relations (they recovered very quick). I don't say they are perfect, I'm just saying they came to the pre 2001 level very quick and to a level where we can normally cooperate in daily life.

Let's think for a moment what was the alternative. Could have we won the conflict?! We were stronger in arms but that doesn't mean much because the conflict if it broke loose would not have stayed in remote villages and mountains fought between guerillas and the army, but it would descent in the multiethnic cities and would emerge into a full scale civil war. Have U ever heard of a winner in a civil war!?

The 2001 Ohrid agreement made us both loosers and winners. Albanians lost their secession battle, we lost our absolute power in the country. However we both won peace and avoided war and I think that's much more valuable for both parties and that the new generations will be able to recognize and value that over time.

If anyone thinks everything can be perfect over night he's a fool. Look at Belgium, look how more confortable position they had in the past 50 years from geopolitical and economic perspective, yet they have a stupid irrational problem of similar nature.

EDIT: I just saw Realek's post and I agree this is my last post on this...

Let's think for a moment what was the alternative. Could have we won the conflict?! We were stronger in arms but that doesn't mean much because the conflict if it broke loose would not have stayed in remote villages and mountains fought between guerillas and the army, but it would descent in the multiethnic cities and would emerge into a full scale civil war. Have U ever heard of a winner in a civil war!?

We couldn't have won the conflict but still I despise people who use weapons to achieve their goals. It is irritating and is bringing the morale down of the ordinary Macedonian citizen to see terrorists doing politics.

The 2001 Ohrid agreement made us both loosers and winners. Albanians lost their secession battle, we lost our absolute power in the country. However we both won peace and avoided war and I think that's much more valuable for both parties and that the new generations will be able to recognize and value that over time.

I'm not against what the Ohrid agreement stands for (because honestly there's no way to not give 21% of the population bigger rights) but I'm totally against how it was reached. Being forced into loving each other can produce very bad results. It reminds me of arranged weddings.

Anyways, the point of my previous post was to state my pessimism on the affair regarding recent events. I have no intentions on discussing the 2001 conflict, and this was my last post on the subject as well. Let's get back to economy :):)

yeah, we'll talk about it in 10 days when we meet for a beer. I hope U've noticed we're arranging such meeting Gotsomekicks in the MK Transport thread. Don't screw up

^^ Sure just PM me with date/location beforehand.

I better not see anybody making any stupid claims around here or I'll get somebody to do some cleaning up in here
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2986/adminfp9fk4.gif
haha you seem to like this one lately;)

^^

no doubnt, 3tmk likes :laugh:


but what's the deal, isn't he a mod? that would make him not so cool on that clip (unlike the admin) :laugh:

^^Yeah that's true, the admin is way better;) hehe

Sencap's objection about the TEC Negotino sale has been rejected today. Canadian Hatch is officially the new owner of the plant. They are aquiring the existing plant for 61.7 million EUR and are obliged to build another plant. The whole complex will have 850MW installed capacity when everything is finished.

SOURCE: Energetika (http://www.energetika.com.mk/poveke.php?nid=357)

Одбиена жалбата на грчки Сенкап за продажбата на ТЕЦ Неготино


Одбиена е жалбата на грчки Сенкап за продажбата на неготинската термоелектрана. Тендерската комисија денес на состанок на кој не присуствуваа претставниците на грчко американската фирма ги констатирала одлуките на Бирото за јавни набавки и второстепената владина комисија, информираше вицепремиерот Зоран Ставревски.

“Немаме обврска на Сенкап да им овозможиме увид во понудата на конзорциумот Хач, иако ги поканивме денес не дојдоа. Во однос на конзорциумот Хач владината одлука е извршна, вели тој.

Од Бирото за јавни набавки велат дека воопшто не одлучувале по жалбата на Сенкап.

Извори од компанијата, за Енергетика тврдат дека воопшто не добиле писмено известување дека нивната жалба е отфрлена, ниту пак на денешниот состанок писмено биле поканети. Обвинуваат целата постапка се одвива многу нетранспарентно, барале писмено известување за увид во понудата на Хач, но добивале само телефонски јавувања.

Компанијата ќе ги согледа сите пропусти во тендерската процедура а на состанок на Бордот на директори ќе се одлучи што понатаму.

Сенкап поднесе жалба за оти сметаше дека даде најдобра понуда од 68 милиони евра за ТЕЦ Неготино. Сепак, тендерската комисија одлучи термоелкетраната да ја продадае на конзоциумот Хач компанијата која понуди помала сума за ТЕЦ-от од 61,7 милиони евра.

Guys, I just had a talk with a friend of mine and he's been employed as a promoter from the new mobile operator. Apparently a Croatian man is teaching them how to do all the promotion, and he told them that Mobilcom has hired many people from Cosmofon and T-Mobile. It seems that soon they will start their campaign, and have some interesting plans to "kill" the competition.
Another pal of mine who works in a warehouse informed me that Mobilcom's equipment arrived a few months ago. Honestly ever since they payed the 10 million the fact that we didn't hear a single word was pissing me off. So naturally I find all this activity very exciting :D.

^^

well, the whole top management is Croatian. Up to my knowledge everything is going according to plan, they are definately starting next month. One of the smoothest investments ever in Macedonia.

And I do hope they "kill" the competition (like gotso said) :D Those bastards have been walking on my nerves for too long now... Ok not literary kill them (we need good competition after all), but push them out of their comfy positions and become the leader. The two old operators deserve some good ass whooping IMO.

Hey Gotsomekicks, your username is really too long... How would you prefer to be addressed to: gotso or gsk?

:D :laugh:

And I do hope they "kill" the competition (like gotso said) :D Those bastards have been walking on my nerves for too long now... Ok not literary kill them (we need good competition after all), but push them out of their comfy positions and become the leader. The two old operators deserve some good ass whooping IMO.

I disagree with U on this one... It's one of the few sectors where compatition actually changed something. I agree, not by the pace we all wanted but still... Have U forgotten how expencive mobile telephony was before the presence of Cosmofon on the market?

Just for comparising look at the internet services, we've had "compatition" in that segment for ages and the still charge like crazy... OnNet are just a bunch of fakers, it's their fault as much as it's MTNets

let's agree to disagree :laugh:

Actually I was wondering where the hell Onnet's big ambitions disappeared? Especially after the acquisition by the Slovenians I was pretty sure they will make their moves. But still nothing... What the hell is going on?

Actually I was wondering where the hell Onnet's big ambitions disappeared? Especially after the acquisition by the Slovenians I was pretty sure they will make their moves. But still nothing... What the hell is going on?

frankly I fucking hate OnNet. At least MT Net doesn't pretend to be hip and cool

Hey Gotsomekicks, your username is really too long... How would you prefer to be addressed to: gotso or gsk?


Sure mate, gotso is fine :)

Actually I was wondering where the hell Onnet's big ambitions disappeared? Especially after the acquisition by the Slovenians I was pretty sure they will make their moves. But still nothing... What the hell is going on?

I am an OnNet client (of their 1010 thing) and frankly I haven't bothered to check if there's any change in my bills. To tell you the truth their business doesn't seem very serious. I was hoping for more as well.

1010? What's that? I took a look at their site and didn't find it :dunno:

^^ Is it something like this ---> http://1010.bg/

The construction of 102 out of 1000 Apartments for poor families begun today in Skopje. The apartments will be sold under special beneficial conditions. The "winners" will be decided electronically. This project includes 14 cities and towns across Macedonia.

http://www.utrinski.com.mk/?ItemID=8B07CEBDBF42BA41B5B4AD7A06CF033F

Започна изградбата на првите социјални станови во Ѓорче Петров

[Камен-темелникот на двете згради го постави премиерот Никола Груевски]

Во месноста Јурија во Општина Ѓорче Петров вчера свечено започна изградбата на првите 102 стана наменети за социјално загрозени семејства. Во присуство на премиерот Никола Груевски, министерот Миле Јанакиески и директорот на Јавното претпријатие за стопанисување со станбен и деловен простор, Ивица Коневски, камен- темелникот на двете згради го освети поглаварот на МПЦ, г.г. Стефан. Според програмата на Владата, во план е изградба на 1.000 стана за приматели на социјална помош во 14 града во земјава. Годинава социјални станови ќе започнат да се градат во Македонска Каменица, Кавадарци и Кочани, а во текот на 2008 година и во другите 10 града. Првите социјални станови во Ѓорче Петров треба да бидат готови за една и пол година, а реализатор на проектот е Јавното станбено претпријатие. Распределбата на становите ќе се изврши преку електронски систем со елиминирање на човечкиот фактор.

„Тргнувајќи од принципите на хуманизам, социјална правда и солидарност, Владата презема чекори за решавање на станбеното прашање на лицата кои се приматели на социјална помош. Заради тоа, одлучивме да изградиме 1.000 стана во 14 града, со што за овие граѓани ќе се реши основното прашање да се има свој дом како основен предуслов за создавање семејство“, истакна премиерот Груевски. Финансиите за изградба на првите 102 социјални стана ќе ги обезбеди Јавното станбено претпријатие, од каде што тврдат дека со доброто работење имаат капацитет навреме и без последици за ликвидноста на претпријатието да го завршат проектот.

Остварениот профит во првата половина од годинава и позитивниот тренд на работењето на Јавното претпријатие, според директорот Ивица Коневски, ќе овозможи да се создаде баланс меѓу пазарната политика и јавниот интерес и ќе обезбеди пари за реализација на овој проект. (С.Н.)

1010? What's that? I took a look at their site and didn't find it

Here it is, from their site:

Приклучи се на Он.нет

Конечно имаш избор и во фиксната телефонија!
Он.нет твојот досегашен пријател и бизнис партнер сега е и твој нов фиксен оператор.

Приклучи се на Он.нет и заштеди до 63% на меѓународни и 32% на меѓуградски разговори.

Со користење на оваа услуга нема месечна претплата, а на крајот од месецот добивате сметка само за искористените импулси.

Услугата 1010 Избор на оператор е најдоброто решение за сите оние кои што сакаат да заштедат на фиксни телефонски разговори во земјата и странство. Активирајте веднаш, едноставно е!

ПРИМЕР ЗА НАЧИН НА ВРТЕЊЕ
За барање на меѓуградски сообраќај заврти

* 1010 047XXXXXX за Битола
* 1010 046XXXXXX за Охрид
* 1010 032XXXXXX за Штип

За меѓународни разговори заврти

* 1010 00386XXXXXXXX за Словенија
* 1010 00381XXXXXXXX за Србија
* 1010 0049XXXXXXXX за Германија
* 1010 001306XXXXXXXX за Канада
* 1010 0061XXXXXXXX за Австралија

ТАРИФИРАЊЕ
Национален (меѓуградски) сообраќај кон мрежата на МТ

* Нормална тарифа* ........................... 2.03 ден/мин
* Евтина тарифа** ............................. 1.27 ден/мин

Сообраќај кон мобилните мрежи

* Нормална тарифа* .......................... 9.99 ден/мин
* Евтина тарифа** .............................. 3.99 ден/мин

Меѓународен сообраќај

* Тарифна зона 1 .................................. 6.35 ден/мин
* Тарифна зона 2 ................................ 10.17 ден/мин
* Тарифна зона 3 ................................ 16.10 ден/мин
* Тарифна зона 4 ................................ 27.96 ден/мин
* Тарифна зона 5 ................................ 47.46 ден/мин

* секој ден од 08.00 до 20.00 часот
** секој ден од 20.00 до 08.00 часот
Во цената не е вклучено 18%ддв


BTW, It's great they are building social apartments, and it's a good method to choose the owners randomly with computers. :cheers:

just a brief info, the 3rd mobile operator will begin with the prefixes 077 and 078 :)

Think that these are quite good news from Macedonia, aren't they ? :cheers:

Падна ДДВ-то и за компјутерите и сончевите колектори

Скопје /25/08/ 14:18

Владата денеска донесе одлука за намалување на ДДВ-то од 18 на 5 отсто за компјутерите, компјутерската опрема и софтверот, како и за сончевите колектори.

Според премиерот Никола Груевски, ова е уште еден чекор што Владата не им го ветила на граѓаните, но го направи врз основа на економското закрепнување на државата.

Намалувањето на ДДВ кај компјутерите, компјутерските делови и софтверот, според владините пресметки, ќе го намали приливот во Буџетот за околу 156 милиони денари.

„Крајниот ефект од намалувањето на ДДВ-то кај компјутерите и софтверот ќе го почувствуваат сите граѓани, а тоа е намалена цена на компјутерите и намалена цена на софтверот на компјутерот“, рече на денешната прес конференција премиерот Никола Груевски.

Тој додаде дека тоа ќе придонесе за поголемо користење на компјутерите од страна на граѓаните и фирмите во Македонија, како и значајна поддршка за развојот на конкурентноста кај македонските компании во ИТ секторот.

Премиерот истакна дека намалувањето на ДДВ-то кај сончевите колектори ќе придонесе за поголемо користење на сончевата енергија.

„Со тоа директно ќе се намали потрошувачката на електричната енергија, ќе се заштити и унапреди природната средина, а Македонија ќе го даде својот мал придонес во борбата против глобалното затоплување“, рече Груевски.

Македонскиот премиер истакна дека со намалувањето на данокот за сончевите колектори приходите во Буџетот ќе се намалат за 49 милиони денари, но заштедите за струја ќе бидат далеку поголеми.

here is a interesting chart about the growth of the projects U/C abroad by Macedonian companies. The value of the projects abroad has increased by 200% in comparising with the first 6 months in 2006. The scale is in million Denars (1EUR=61DEN)

for those who can't read cyrilic the countries from left to right are

Russia, Ukraine, Germany, Serbia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Montenegro, Albania


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t294/dewrob/gradeznici.jpg

^^

Basically Ukraine

What's up with Ukraine that seems to be so popular with our building companies...good to see:)

I think it is only one or two big contracts that make the difference

Oh i see:)

I'm not sure dejan, I just think that is most probably the case

Yeah that's cool lol

Do we know what kind of buildings contract do Macedonian firms have in Russia/Ukraine/Serbia?!

One construction company granit (www.granit.com.mk) has a nice website with all their projects, and if you scroll through you can see that it ranges. Like for Serbia (or Yugoslavia as its on the site), there's this bridge-primary road in Bac-Rozaj, a bridge in Andrijevica-Ivangrad, there's also a high way bridge in Zenica-Sarajevo. And a bridge in Albania, on the river Shkumbinit then a few others...for buildings it has a residential complex in Ukraine 'Zaporozje', oh and residential buildings in Germany-Koln, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt and Berlin. A highway in Ukraine, Kiev-Chop. Just go through the site and you'll find heaps.

Granit also built Iraq's airbase, Kuwaits, then reconstruction of Kuwaits, Sarajevo's too, Sofia's.

There's also Mavrovo (http://www.mavrovo.com.mk/), they're building some trade centre Astrahan in Russia, business residential complex too (i assume Astrahan is a city in Russia), also a sanatorium complex in Belokuriha in Russia.

Pelagonija (http://www.pelagonija.com.mk/) also has quite a few projects over seas here (http://www.pelagonija.com.mk/company-profile-references.html#1). Like a housing project 'SUNCANA PADINA' in Belgrade, a Banovo Brdo business centre in Belgrade, Zetagradnja in Podgorica. It seems that Pelagonija mainly has/had construction in Serbia, Montenegro and the Middle Eastern countries.

here is the text of the article KM

Градежен бум во странство на македонските фирми

„Гранит“ гради патишта и аеродроми во Украина, Хрватска, Албанија и Косово, „Бетон“ силоси во Србија и Бугарија, а „Пелагонија“ повеќекатници во Црна Гора

Македонските градежни компании бележат бум во работата во странство во последните шест месеци и се очекува тој тренд да продолжи до крајот на оваа и во текот на следната година.

Според податоците на Заводот за статистика, извршените градежни работи во странство до јуни годинава се зголемени за 200 отсто во споредба со истиот период лани. Бројот на договорени градежни работи што треба да бидат извршени во иднина бележат раст од 150 отсто.

Страшо Милковски, генерален директор на градежната компанија „Гранит“ од Скопје, се согласува дека работата на нашите градежници во странство бележи пораст. Според него, порастот е поради тоа реализацијата на градежните работи во странство годинава е во последната фаза, која повлекува исплата на парите.

- Статистиката покажува големи промени во бројките, во зависност од фазата во која се наоѓа изградбата на објектите. Таа се мери според вредноста на извршени договори или висината на парите што се исплатени за изградбата на проектите што се завршени или договорени - вели Милковски.

„Гранит“ во моментов гради во Украина, Хрватска, Косово и во Албанија. Во Хрватска сега се гради автопатот Риека - Загреб, а претходно е завршен автопатот Загреб - Липовац во вредност од 56 милиони долари. Градежните работи на автопатот Киев-Чап во Украина се во третата, последна фаза. Целиот проект за автопатот во Украина чини 78 милиони долари. „Гранит“ во моментов го доградува аеродромот во Приштина и локалниот пат со повеќе мостови во Албанија, од Кукс кон Тирана.

- Додека се наоѓавме во првите две фази од изградба, до јуни 2006 бележиме исплата од околу 13 милиони евра, а до јуни 2007 година извршените градежни работи чинат 33 милиони евра - вели Милковски.

Компанијата „Бетон“ ја заврши изградбата на силосите за клинкер во Србија, односно во Војводина и во Бугарија. Овие силоси чинат 3,8 милиони евра. Според директорот на „Бетон“, Злате Јакимовски, се очекува понатамошно зголемување на градежните работи во странство. Тој вели дека вредноста на договорите во странство е зголемена поради малиот обем на работа во претходните неколку години.

- Сега полека градежните компании се консолидираат и се враќаат на пазарите со поголеми проекти - изјави тој.

Градежната компанија „Пелагонија“ гради висококатници во Црна Гора, каде што статистиката покажува пораст на работата од 450 отсто во споредба со лани. На странскиот пазар е присутна и компанијата што обезбедува градежни материјали, „Адинг“ од Скопје. Градежни материјали продава во сите земји на бивша Југославија, освен во Словенија, потоа во Русија, Украина, Романија, Казахстан и во Бугарија.

Менаџерите на големите домашни градежни фирми велат дека тие можат да бидат многу поконкурентни на странските пазари, но ограничени се поради ниската моќ на домашните банки при давањето гаранција за јавните повици за ваквите капитални објекти во странство.

Oh yeah i forgot about Beton (http://www.beton.com.mk/).

here is the text of the article KM

Hvala lepo:okay:

I knew this as an "insider" info for a month or two but I wasn't allowed to share it. Now though after seeing a job advertisment in the newspapers I can finally announce that Slovenian supermarket chain TUŠ (http://www.tus.si/en/index.php?NivoId=84) is finally making its move in Macedonia.

It's starting with Stip and Kumanovo, the object in Stip is U/C already but I'm not aware about the status of the Kumanovo object.

Nevertheless the job add seeks to fill in positions for both of this towns.

:cheers:

Ohh nice! :)

You mean they don't start with Skopje?? mm... that's original :hammer:

I knew this as an "insider" info for a month or two but I wasn't allowed to share it. Now though after seeing a job advertisment in the newspapers I can finally announce that Slovenian supermarket chain TUŠ (http://www.tus.si/en/index.php?NivoId=84) is finally making its move in Macedonia.

It's starting with Stip and Kumanovo, the object in Stip is U/C already but I'm not aware about the status of the Kumanovo object.

Nevertheless the job add seeks to fill in positions for both of this towns.

:cheers:

Good news!

ВИП е новиот мобилен оператор

Третиот мобилен оператор во земјава до крајот на месецов ќе почне со работа под брендот ВИП, а ќе ги користи префиксите 077 и 078.

- Влегуваме на пазар со високи цени и каде нема вистинска конкуренција. На македонските граѓани ќе им понудиме најдобар квалитет за нивните пари и најдобра услуга - најави главниот извршен директор на ВИП, Младен Пејковиќ.

Сигналот на ВИП ќе ја покрива целата територија на Македонија благодарение на договорот за национален роаминг со "Т-Мобиле Македонија".
Remainder here (http://www.vecer.com.mk/?ItemID=B040C4CD2A53624987199F28D11B349F)
I haven't been following this new mobile operator business but who is this?
The third mobile operator should start in action by the end of the month, 'VIP'. Is this that Austrian one...

Is this that Austrian one...

Yep, it should be. It's Vipnet in Croatia and Vip mobile in Serbia. It still says Nov Operator on their official webpage (http://www.mobilkomaustria.com/CDA/frameset/start_frame/0,3149,889-3117-html-en,00.html) though.

Yep, it should be. It's Vipnet in Croatia and Vip mobile in Serbia. It still says Nov Operator on their official webpage (http://www.mobilkomaustria.com/CDA/frameset/start_frame/0,3149,889-3117-html-en,00.html) though.

it's the same, their registry name here is Nov Operator as well. But yesterday they had a promotion of the Vipnet brand under which they'll go in Macedonia as in the rest of the region. They start by the end of the month.

Cool thanks:)

http://a1.com.mk/vesti/default.asp?VestID=83614

A very important hydro-system was put in use today in central Macedonia. The hydro-system Lisice will provide drinking water for Veles and the surrounding areas, industrial water and irrigation water. Central part of the project was a dam 579m long, 67m high and 8m wide. The cost of the project - 65.000.000€

Nice!:)

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t294/dewrob/gradeznici.jpg

That's nice, I guess :)

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t294/dewrob/gradeznici.jpg

That's nice, I guess :)
You guess...:gunz:
hehe:)

BTW Mesofius, I recon there is a construction boom in Ukraine :cheers:

There is. And those roads better be good! :) Or we won't give you any more helicopters for free ;)

Did you? I doubt it hehe. Maybe a brotherly discount ;)

And don't worry about the roads. Macedonian construction companies have pulled a lot of big projects and maintained good quality even in worst of times. Now they are starting to flourish again. I'm sure they consider the Ukrainian market to be of great importance and they will make sure that they make a good impression.

There is. And those roads better be good! :) Or we won't give you any more helicopters for free ;)
Hey we're not working for Russia here:tongue2:
And we better get more free helicopters! Ukraine has more than enough:tongue2:

:D

anyway, yes the road market is endless, especially now that lots of avtobans have to be build for the euro 2012 and after that as well, all over the country :)

that's a rumor KM pulled, I'm almost sure we either payed or compensated for our helicopters. :)

but than I might be wrong as I usually don't care about military so I don't follow that info very close

Our retards in the government like giving stuff away, we left all the armored vehicles and other heavy equipment in Iraq as a gift when we left them, so why not give some helicopters to Macedonia :)

Most probably 'loaned' them off or something, or a long term payment or whatever...same with Greece.

Since I see you're interested in the subject, here's a few articles...

War on terrorism skipped KLA
http://www.deltax.net/bissett/a-terrorism.htm

"Thanks to Uncle Sam, Macedonians are no match for us!"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/TAY108A.html

U.S. National Security Adviser Calls on Ukraine to Stop Providing Weapons to Macedonia
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b5f2dda7c94.htm


Though these articles say that Ukraine "sold" these weapons , the real term would be "donated" as they were most likely sold for the internationally recognized symbolic sum of 1$.

Ukraine really did a great service to Macedonia, pulling more weight than it really could at the time, all the while being pressured by the "international community" to cease the supply of weapons. This same "international community" was supplying the terrorists even during the on-going peace talks:|

Still, it wasn't enough .... because of a lack of funds and not very great performance of its military, all the while facing great international pressure, Macedonia caved into signing the "Ohrid peace agreement" - pretty much fullfilling most demands set by the terrorists. I just hope Macedonia is prepared for the day when these same terrorists start asking for more.

Since I see you're interested in the subject, here's a few articles...

War on terrorism skipped KLA
http://www.deltax.net/bissett/a-terrorism.htm

"Thanks to Uncle Sam, Macedonians are no match for us!"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/TAY108A.html

U.S. National Security Adviser Calls on Ukraine to Stop Providing Weapons to Macedonia
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b5f2dda7c94.htm


Though these articles say that Ukraine "sold" these weapons , the real term would be "donated" as they were most likely sold for the internationally recognized symbolic sum of 1$.

Ukraine really did a great service to Macedonia, pulling more weight than it really could at the time, all the while being pressured by the "international community" to cease the supply of weapons. This same "international community" was supplying the terrorists even during the on-going peace talks:|

No doubt Ukraine did a great service, just the fact that it was able to deliver the helicopters and jets so fast is amazing. I'm just pretty sure we repaid in some way. AFAIK they even supplied pilots as at that time we didn't have trained pilots to operate the Hind or the jets. .

Then we are going to get here and kick their ass :) Last time we donated MK armor vehicles, now we are going to bomb the terrorist m@therfuckers :)

Just joking though :) Those politics bs suck especially when dilletants in forums discuss them as if they have an idea of what's really going on :)

Still, it wasn't enough .... because of a lack of funds and not very great performance of its military, all the while facing great international pressure, Macedonia caved into signing the "Ohrid peace agreement" - pretty much fullfilling most demands set by the terrorists. I just hope Macedonia is prepared for the day when these same terrorists start asking for more.

on this part U're quite incorect KM. There was nothing like caving in, it was the only sane choice. There were two streems in the ruling elite on pro war (Georgievski), and one pro what turned out to be the "Ohrid peace accord" (Trajkovski + the Social Democrats). The second prevailed luckily.

On the other hand the military performed great to the extent it was let to perform. There was nothing like real combat and offensive with the exception of a couple of flashpoints (Radusa, Aracinovo etc.). Both sides were dug in their lines just keepeng the preassure on the political talks.

Sure we are not a strong army and we are underequiped, but we were capable of dealing with the NLA and that was proven on the terrain when it was allowed. However the army would be of no use if a civil war broke loose, so thank god to the Ohrid accord.

Last but not least, the NLA started with the agenda to liberate the Albanian lands in Macedonia. With the Ohrid accord it got so much less. Therefore this assement was incorrect too.

Then we are going to get here and kick their ass :) Last time we donated MK armor vehicles, now we are going to bomb the terrorist m@therfuckers :)

Just joking though :) Those politics bs suck especially when dilletants in forums discuss them as if they have an idea of what's really going on :)

hey... U're in Paris, go out ffs, stop hanging around on the net :)

I got 8 more days to walk out, besides I've already been here :)

SSC is more interesting :)

Well, Ukraine is always eager to help friendly nations, we don't really have a lot of allies (it's a nice historical change though from having no allies at all). Just a few years ago our specialists offered to Georgia to establish and operate their air space defenses, which they desperately needed, as their air space was constantly penetrated from the north. Not to mention our foreign policy concerning Moldova, that country stays unified because we don't let terrorists in Transdniester blossom, even though they are ethnically our own.

Back to Macedonia ... :)

Everything is just alright as long as Russia is not your ally :)

I really don't wanna see Ukraine as yet another Putin state :)

Guys, enough with this politics-BS

Well all of that is behind us and we can only be thankful to countries like Ukraine:)
But to those that don't know, today 8th September is our independence day so chestito to that:) :cheers:
And i think this song best fits the day:) just has a range of pictures, only you tube one i could find
BhIt-eahR4M

Congratulations!

thanks!:cheers1:

VCRAm7WBh8c

Happy independence from me as well.

VCRAm7WBh8c

:ohno: Not the best video you can post about Macedonia.

The first one I found :)

lol that's so nice Mesofius:D thanks for the video:):tongue2: and i like your signature;)

Happy Independence Day to my macedonian friends:cheers1:

2-ZWVNOFBy0

Hey thanks 7t:):cheers:
That's a cool song i haven't heard it actually!

thanx 7t, Dr. and NB :)

Happy independence day :)

Happy holiday and from me!:)
Срекен празник за независимостта на Македания на сите македонци.:)

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Just a few photos from the celebrations:)
http://i17.tinypic.com/61myd7q.jpg

http://i16.tinypic.com/4uk93cx.jpg

And one from the Macedonians in Australia:)
http://i17.tinypic.com/52dafwz.jpg

Oh and a website for the event in New Jersey, anyone live in New Jersey check it out:)
http://macedoniancommunitynj.org/mkfestival/

I'm suprised they have a macedonian community in Garfield.

Btw, there's a famous football player in America of Macedonian descent.

Jovan Kirovski

Garfield is a strange enough name lol don't think i've heard of this Jovan guy, just know a few in Australia but good to know yet another:)

Garfield is located in Bergen County. It has a predominantly italian-american and albanian community. Somebody i know from Pogradec has a cafe' there and i used to have friends from Vlora that lived there as well. It's not a big city, rather small and hilly.

Ohh ok so it's a city...i always assumed these places were suburbs within the state or something:\ Maybe the Maks just organised in Garfield coz of location...

More like a town

Nice:)

I have been there 3 times but many years ago.

Greetings for Macedonian's holiday with a little delay :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Hey Dr.Mesofius ;) ya better change your signature with this one (http://www.mp3tube.net/musics/Narodna-Izgrej-zora-na-slobodata-Marsot-na-Vardar/14955/) :

Izgrej, zora na slobodata,
zora na vechnata borba.
Izgrej v dushite i srcata
na vsichki robi po sveta.

Even if i see it I won't believe it ! :)

EU TO PROVIDE FUNDS FOR RENOVATION OF BULGARIAN MACEDONIAN RAILWAY CORRIDOR

Railway transport corridor eight between Bulgaria and Macedonia will be restored to be taken into usage as part of European Union (EU) financial projects for the period from 2010 to 2013.

European Transport Commissioner Jacques Barrot said before European Parliament that after providing funding to Macedonia for railway corridor 10, the renovation of corridor eight would be a priority, investor.bg reported referring to Macedonian Utrinski Vesnik daily.

The EU estimated that the railway renovation would cost 500 million euro.

The construction of the railway section had begun in the 1990s but in 2001 the project had been halted.

The route of corridor eight passes through Skopje-Gyueshevo-Sofia-Bourgas and is part of the corridor connecting Adriatic Sea to Black Sea.

I LIKE THIS!!!!

Sep 17, 2007 04:00 ET
Macedonia Becomes First Nation to Provide Computer Workstations for Every Student

NComputing's Breakthrough Virtual PC Technology Enables 180,000 Low-Cost Workstations on Classroom Desktops Nationwide

REDWOOD CITY, CA--(Marketwire - September 17, 2007) - NComputing, provider of the world's most affordable solutions for PC access, today announced that its multi-user virtual desktop software and low-cost virtual PC terminals will be used to equip every school child in the Republic of Macedonia with a rich individual computer experience. The most ambitious national undertaking ever to standardize all schools around a single technology platform, the "Computer for Every Child" project of the Macedonia Ministry of Education and Science will deploy 180,000 NComputing-enabled workstation seats, enough to provide virtually every elementary and secondary school student in the nation with his or her own classroom computing device.

NComputing's multi-user virtual desktop software and low-cost virtual PC terminals, along with supporting Linux-based PCs, were proven in Macedonia tests to deliver a rich PC experience at less than half the cost of any other proposed solution, including low-cost desktop and laptop PCs and other thin client options, according to Ivo Ivanovski, Macedonia's Minister for the Information Society. Huge additional advantages in reduced maintenance and replacement costs made the choice of NComputing even more compelling. With half the students attending school in the morning, and half attending in the afternoon, 180,000 workstations will provide a 1-to-1 computing experience -- one virtual PC at each student's desk -- for the country's entire public school student population.

"The Computer for Every Child initiative is the largest and most important education project undertaken in the 15-year history of the Republic of Macedonia," according to Ivanovsky. "Our goal is to build a knowledge-based economy in which our entire workforce is educated in using information and communication technology within the next five years. Yet, like most school systems around the world, Macedonia's education system has limited financial and infrastructural resources to address this challenge. By adopting NComputing's low-cost virtual PC technology, Macedonia is taking the lead in providing computer-based education for school children."

"We at NComputing believe that providing PC access to the next billion users -- those who cannot afford the cost of an individual PC -- is the single biggest challenge facing our industry today. Perhaps the most important segment of this under-served mass market is school children, including students in the United States and other developed countries, as well as those in developing nations," said Stephen Dukker, Chairman and CEO of NComputing. "We're gratified that NComputing's technology can be an important part of the solution in Macedonia and around the world."

NComputing's corporate mission is to provide affordable PC access to under-resourced markets around the world, including schools and users in developing and developed countries. The company's revolutionary technology allows a single PC to be shared by multiple simultaneous users -- each running their own applications. Setup is simple, and begins with software on the shared PC that creates multiple virtual user desktops. Standard monitors, keyboards and mice then plug into very low-cost, highly reliable virtual PCs (also known as access terminals). As a major leap forward in green computing, NComputing solutions draw between one and five watts of power for each added user, versus 115 for a typical PC. Neither IT staff nor end users require special training, and the system is compatible with Windows, Linux and standard PC applications. Pricing is as low as $70 per seat.

With NComputing's X300, up to seven users can simultaneously share a single PC. The cost and power savings are critical in school deployments, including in Macedonia, because budgets and electricity are often limited. Macedonia also chose NComputing's technology because maintenance and replacement costs are a fraction of what they are for traditional PC deployments. NComputing's solid-state virtual PC terminals have no moving parts and require little or no maintenance, so the principal maintenance costs follow only the shared PCs and monitors. In addition, in an upgrade cycle to newer PCs, only the PCs themselves, not the virtual PC terminals, need to be replaced.

Through a global network of resellers, NComputing also offers the L-series, which connects via Ethernet at any distance from a shared PC or server on either Local Area Networks or over the Internet. The number of L-series virtual PCs supported is limited only by the power of the shared PC. Hundreds can be supported on virtualized servers.

When completed, Macedonia's Computer for Every Child initiative will have deployed approximately 160,000 NComputing virtual PC terminals and 20,000 NComputing-enabled PCs (which each also support a student on the attached monitor) running the Ubuntu Linux-based operating system. The Haier Company, a diversified manufacturer and PC maker, and one of China's largest and most respected companies, won the contract for procurement and installation. The project will enable a range of innovative educational programs, including interactive web-based classes in which specialized experts teach lessons in such areas as mathematics, biology, chemistry and physics to multiple schools and classrooms around the country.

NComputing's multi-user system software and low-cost virtual PC terminals represent the next generation of thin computing, in which multi-user computing finally becomes affordable and accessible, and the user-experience equals that of a dedicated PC. The Macedonia project is at the same time, the largest known thin client and desktop Linux deployment ever undertaken.

"This project would not have been possible 5 years ago," said Ivanovski. "Today's least expensive desktop PCs are so powerful we use less than 10% of their capacity and NComputing's technology puts this wasted power to work."

In a brief 18 months after starting active shipments, NComputing has sold more than 500,000 seats, including more than 200,000 to U.S. schools, providing technology that addresses the needs of under-served markets worldwide, as well as those of small business and enterprise customers. The company's technology is being sold and deployed in more than 80 countries -- including thousands of schools, corporate and small business offices, and villages and cities in Africa, Europe, Asia and South America.

About NComputing, Inc.

Founded with the goal of making computing affordable for everyone, NComputing, Inc. is a privately held software and hardware technology design and manufacturing company with offices in Australia, Canada, China, Germany, India, Korea, Poland, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States. Headquartered in Redwood City, CA, the company's patented technologies drastically lower costs, improve manageability and reduce energy consumption. The current product lines deliver virtual PC computing solutions that are as low as $70 per user, affordable enough for even the smallest organization yet powerful enough for enterprise-scale applications.

source: http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=770192

Slovenian investments hit €3.5 bln, €117 mln invested in Macedonia


18 Sep 2007
bbj.hu

Slovenia invested €117 million ($162 million) in Macedonia, which ranks the country seventh on the list of Slovenia’s investments abroad in 2006.



Last year, Slovenian companies invested a total of €3.5 billion ($4.85 billion), among them, almost two thirds were invested in the former Yugoslav republics, Slovenia’s business newspaper Finance. Slovenia’s investments hit record high in Croatia €927 million ($1,28 billion), then in Serbia €790 million ($1,09 billion), BiH €344 million ($477 million), Macedonia €117 million and in Montenegro €71 million ($98.5 million).

As regards investments outside the former Yugoslavia borders, Slovenian companies invested mostly in Netherlands €355 million, Poland €139 million, Russia €121 million and Germany €74 million.

In general, Slovenia’s leading retailing chain Merkator is the major investor abroad. Merkator’s investments hit €397 million ($550 million) by the end of 2006. Also on the list of Slovenia’s major investors are Ljubljanska Banka, Droga Kolinska, Krka and Petrol. (makfax.com.mk)

Hey good to see you back Sokol:)

Hey that's really interesting GM, i heard about that program and i hope it goes through successfully:)

Good to be back Dejan. I had an AMAZINg time in Mk this summer. Lots of photos...as soon as I teach myself how to load them up, I got ones of Prespa region, Ohrid, Krusevo, and really good ones of Bitola and Heraklea.

Canada to recognize Balkan state as Macedonia

ALAN FREEMAN

From Friday's Globe and Mail

September 21, 2007 at 4:13 AM EDT

OTTAWA — The Harper government has become embroiled in a major dust-up between Canada's ethnic communities after deciding to recognize the former Yugoslavian republic of Macedonia as just plain Macedonia, despite strong objections from Greece, which claims the name as its own.

The decision to refer to the tiny Balkan nation as Republic of Macedonia, rather than the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM for short), as it has been known by the United Nations since independence in 1992, was hailed by the Prime Minister of Macedonia.

Both nations claim sole ownership of the name.

In a statement from the capital of Skopje, Prime Minister Nikola Gruveski said yesterday hat "we were informed by the Macedonian embassy that Canada recognized Macedonia under its constitutional name, which is a good thing."

Greece immediately objected. "Greek Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis is expected to communicate today with her Canadian counterpart and convey the Greek government's displeasure," the Greek Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

And the Greek government made clear it intends to mobilize its diaspora in the battle. "It is certain that this decision also displeases hundreds of thousands of Canadian citizens of Greek origin," the Foreign Ministry said.

Foreign Affairs Canada did not comment, but its fact sheet on the country on its website now refers to Republic of Macedonia. The web page notes it was last updated on Sept. 20, 2007.

"The Greeks are pissed," seethed Jim Karygiannis, the Greek-born Liberal MP for Scarborough-Agincourt, who said that the Greek-Canadian community plans to mobilize to get the government to change its mind, noting that it had successfully fended off earlier efforts to get the name change approved under administrations of Brian Mulroney and Jean Chrétien.

"How would you like part of the United States to call themselves Canada?" he continued. "What if all of a sudden New York State begins to call itself Canada or Ontario?" Greece uses the name Macedonia to designate its northern province.

The MP said the Skopjans, as he referred to the Macedonians, did not even settle the area until 800 or 900 AD. "The speak a different language. They don't speak Greek. Why are they trying to distort history?"

Efforts to contact members of the Macedonian Canadian community, concentrated in Toronto, were not fruitful, but the decision was hailed on Macedonian websites.

The U.S.-based United Macedonian Diaspora headlined the news, congratulating the "dedication, perseverance and endless efforts" by Macedonian Canadians to get the name changed. It encouraged readers to send a thank-you note to Prime Minister Stephen Harper for the decision.

A secretary at the St. Clement of Ohrid Macedonian Orthodox Congregation in Toronto would not comment but was clearly incensed when told that The Globe and Mail had contacted the Greek community for its view on the issue. "You called the Greeks?" she asked. "Why did you call them?"

Canada joins the United States, China and Russia in referring to the country as Republic of Macedonia in bilateral relations. It is still referred to as FYROM by the European Union and the United Nations.

Prolonged efforts at the UN to solve the dispute and come to a mutual agreement on the name have so far failed.

Good to be back Dejan. I had an AMAZINg time in Mk this summer. Lots of photos...as soon as I teach myself how to load them up, I got ones of Prespa region, Ohrid, Krusevo, and really good ones of Bitola and Heraklea.

how much time has it been since your last visit to MK Sokol?

Canada to recognize Balkan state as Macedonia

ALAN FREEMAN

From Friday's Globe and Mail

September 21, 2007 at 4:13 AM EDT

OTTAWA — The Harper government has become embroiled in a major dust-up between Canada's ethnic communities after deciding to recognize the former Yugoslavian republic of Macedonia as just plain Macedonia, despite strong objections from Greece, which claims the name as its own.

The decision to refer to the tiny Balkan nation as Republic of Macedonia, rather than the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM for short), as it has been known by the United Nations since independence in 1992, was hailed by the Prime Minister of Macedonia.

Both nations claim sole ownership of the name.

In a statement from the capital of Skopje, Prime Minister Nikola Gruveski said yesterday hat "we were informed by the Macedonian embassy that Canada recognized Macedonia under its constitutional name, which is a good thing."

Greece immediately objected. "Greek Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis is expected to communicate today with her Canadian counterpart and convey the Greek government's displeasure," the Greek Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

And the Greek government made clear it intends to mobilize its diaspora in the battle. "It is certain that this decision also displeases hundreds of thousands of Canadian citizens of Greek origin," the Foreign Ministry said.

Foreign Affairs Canada did not comment, but its fact sheet on the country on its website now refers to Republic of Macedonia. The web page notes it was last updated on Sept. 20, 2007.

"The Greeks are pissed," seethed Jim Karygiannis, the Greek-born Liberal MP for Scarborough-Agincourt, who said that the Greek-Canadian community plans to mobilize to get the government to change its mind, noting that it had successfully fended off earlier efforts to get the name change approved under administrations of Brian Mulroney and Jean Chrétien.

"How would you like part of the United States to call themselves Canada?" he continued. "What if all of a sudden New York State begins to call itself Canada or Ontario?" Greece uses the name Macedonia to designate its northern province.

The MP said the Skopjans, as he referred to the Macedonians, did not even settle the area until 800 or 900 AD. "The speak a different language. They don't speak Greek. Why are they trying to distort history?"

Efforts to contact members of the Macedonian Canadian community, concentrated in Toronto, were not fruitful, but the decision was hailed on Macedonian websites.

The U.S.-based United Macedonian Diaspora headlined the news, congratulating the "dedication, perseverance and endless efforts" by Macedonian Canadians to get the name changed. It encouraged readers to send a thank-you note to Prime Minister Stephen Harper for the decision.

A secretary at the St. Clement of Ohrid Macedonian Orthodox Congregation in Toronto would not comment but was clearly incensed when told that The Globe and Mail had contacted the Greek community for its view on the issue. "You called the Greeks?" she asked. "Why did you call them?"

Canada joins the United States, China and Russia in referring to the country as Republic of Macedonia in bilateral relations. It is still referred to as FYROM by the European Union and the United Nations.

Prolonged efforts at the UN to solve the dispute and come to a mutual agreement on the name have so far failed.

I don't really get it..what's the important difference? After all it's a name dispute. Isn't "M" in FYROM "Macedonia" ?!? What's the difference between RoM and FYRoM? I mean, in the political sense, it should have mattered since it's such a great problem for you? And in its meaning, FYROM is not derogatory or so, you are really a former Jugo republic, so what's the problem after all? And why are the Greeks so stubborn about this? What will they lose if your country's "official" name is RoM, not FYRoM? And anyway, 99.9% of the people call your country "Macedonia", is there such a great difference after all?!?

Anyway, cheers for your important victory :) And BTW what about our country, do we officially recognise you as "RoM", not "FYRoM" ?!?

^^ bgrs,

Bulgaria was the first country in the world to recognize Macedonia as a sovereign state. It was also the first country in the world that right from the get-go recognized Macedonia not by the abreviation of FYROM, but simply and honourably as the Republic of Macedonia. All of Bulgaria's governments, from that of Zhelev to that of the present, have been lobbying the UN and its members to stimulate other countries to do this! So while many Macedonians don't like Bulgaria or see a hidden agenda for our country's positive behaviour in this regard, I can simply say that I am happy and proud that no other country has been this determined to help Macedonia to be recognized the way in which Macedonians want it to be recognized.

Soon many other countries will follow, and perhaps one day only Greece will keep insisting on calling Macedonia FYROM... It's just crazy! Anyhow, congrats to Macedonia. :)

Good to be back Dejan. I had an AMAZINg time in Mk this summer. Lots of photos...as soon as I teach myself how to load them up, I got ones of Prespa region, Ohrid, Krusevo, and really good ones of Bitola and Heraklea.
If you need help, just ask:) Good to hear!

I don't really get it..what's the important difference? After all it's a name dispute. Isn't "M" in FYROM "Macedonia" ?!? What's the difference between RoM and FYRoM? I mean, in the political sense, it should have mattered since it's such a great problem for you? And in its meaning, FYROM is not derogatory or so, you are really a former Jugo republic, so what's the problem after all? And why are the Greeks so stubborn about this? What will they lose if your country's "official" name is RoM, not FYRoM? And anyway, 99.9% of the people call your country "Macedonia", is there such a great difference after all?!?

Anyway, cheers for your important victory :) And BTW what about our country, do we officially recognise you as "RoM", not "FYRoM" ?!?
I know what you mean and i see your points in that...but the whole FYROM has been used in a derogatory manner towards us, it's complex...Greek government is stubborn coz acknowledging our name as simple 'Macedonia' means acknowledging the Macedonian minority in Greece that was killed off, forced to leave and is still oppressed today.

^^ bgrs,

Bulgaria was the first country in the world to recognize Macedonia as a sovereign state. It was also the first country in the world that right from the get-go recognized Macedonia not by the abreviation of FYROM, but simply and honourably as the Republic of Macedonia. All of Bulgaria's governments, from that of Zhelev to that of the present, have been lobbying the UN and its members to stimulate other countries to do this! So while many Macedonians don't like Bulgaria or see a hidden agenda for our country's positive behaviour in this regard, I can simply say that I am happy and proud that no other country has been this determined to help Macedonia to be recognized the way in which Macedonians want it to be recognized.

:| where you get this impression from i don't know, but we don't 'not-like' any Balkan country, the mere fact that we always go to Bulgaria or Greece for holidays attests that.

I still cannot understand what's the matter with the name?!?

I dont think Greeks care about any minority, especially BG or MK. There are just a few native non-Greeks there now (I mean northern Greece)..and what will the name of the country change about the status of the minority after all?

I guess the mere fact of acknowledging that there use to be a large non-Greek presence in what they consider to be a region that has always been Greek, nothing else. I don't understand it anymore than you do;)

:| where you get this impression from i don't know, but we don't 'not-like' any Balkan country, the mere fact that we always go to Bulgaria or Greece for holidays attests that.

Dejan,

I get my impression from many places. As you know there are idiots on both sides of the border, and while our idiots want Macedonia to become part of modern Bulgaria, your idiots want to prove that we have nothing in common, be it in the past, present and forever more. BTW, if you want to talk more about how I got my impression(s) then PM me and I'll write you a detailed memoir of my experiences.:) That said, there's no point trolling on this thread, so I'd rather my personal opinions not be the public ignition/spark that gets a bunch of emotional chaps arguing on SSC. :nuts:

Anyway, the important thing is that Macedonia is gaining proper recognition in the modern world and I am happy about that. Ciao...:cheers:

Dejan,

I get my impression from many places. As you know there are idiots on both sides of the border, and while our idiots want Macedonia to become part of modern Bulgaria, your idiots want to prove that we have nothing in common, be it in the past, present and forever more. BTW, if you want to talk more about how I got my impression(s) then PM me and I'll write you a detailed memoir of my experiences.:) That said, there's no point trolling on this thread, so I'd rather my personal opinions not be the public ignition/spark that gets a bunch of emotional chaps arguing on SSC. :nuts:

In which case our idiots don't represent the majority of the populous. But it's ok about our experiences with people, i have my load of experiences with other Balkan people so we're even;)


Anyway, the important thing is that Macedonia is gaining proper recognition in the modern world and I am happy about that. Ciao...:cheers:
Thanks! :)

how much time has it been since your last visit to MK Sokol?
dewrob: the last time I was in Mk was in 1998, and the time before that was my first time ever and that was in 1980. I will say this EVERY time that I go back I am EXTREMELY impressed and happy with the progress that I see for myself. In fact I have already began the process of aquiring Macedonian citizenship. For myself and my kids. I can not wait to go back. My only regret was that I did not get to spend time in Skopje or go to the wine regions in Kavadarci, or Strumica. There is so much to see there but I plan on seeing a little everytime I go back. I only hope that they have a direct flight from Toronto to Ohrid Like I heard.

I guess the mere fact of acknowledging that there use to be a large non-Greek presence in what they consider to be a region that has always been Greek, nothing else.

Whatever it was, does it matter now?

Whatever it was, does it matter now?

Actually is not just about acknowledgment. It is about the right of those people to have Greek citizenship and get compensation for their confiscated property (I'm talking about the refugees from the Greek civil war).

This was perhaps the main reason for how Greece positioned itself towards Macedonia in 1991 and all the nonsense that followed.

Whatever it was, does it matter now?
Yeah just that, many Macedonians had to leave, and they left their land and everything behind, like Realek said with compensation. It's not about the ancient history, Alexander and whoever else happened to walk across that land over 2000 years ago:nuts:

guys, leave it, we just had a debate about all this in DLM, let's not do it again.

@bgrs, I think Realek summed up the best what's behind it, or at least where are the roots of the problem.

@Sokol that's great to hear man. Indeed many things are so much better since 1998 but some are worse IMO. For example I think it was a lot cleaner in 1998 when U was the last time here.

^^ It may be because I saw things from a childish perspective but to me everything seemed cleaner, more prosperous and prettier in 1998. I guess your state of mind changes the way you see things, for example when I lived abroad every time I returned to Skopje to me it looked like a metropolis.

Anyway, great to hear those things Sokol :cheers:

Actually is not just about acknowledgment. It is about the right of those people to have Greek citizenship and get compensation for their confiscated property (I'm talking about the refugees from the Greek civil war).


What about the refugees from the Balkan wars ? I have an uncle whose ancestors left 2 shops on the Solun harbour, 2 houses and a huge piece of land out there... and moved to Ruse on the Danube as much far as possible from Greece and Serbia.

I just don't get when that ex-yugo mess will be finally over ... several days ago read that ICANN have decided to delete the .yu domain names , and replace them with .rs and .me ... I have also problems with google analytics tool where the visitors from Serbia and from Montenegro are showed like this (http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2721/sandmkp8.jpg). At least Google have recognized Macedonia under the name you like (http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8782/macvr1.jpg) . You must praise them :cheers:

To arms! :)

Greeks think that Macedonia should be FYROM coz the land of Macedonia is connected with their history.But it's also connected with ours....
I think the name of the country isn't such importants as the problems with culture,nation,church and much more.Why Macedonia is throwing fetch about the name instead of other problems-i mean that Macedonia is shorter and it will impose-just a matter of time.

Hmm it seems that his discussion is over, so none of us really care what anyone else has to say:)

Hmm it seems that his discussion is over, so none of us really care what anyone else has to say:)

Yes , this discussion is over :) I just hope that this thing won't only mean removing the words "Former Yugo" from Macedonia's name , but will in fact mean that Macedonia is no longer Former Yugoslavian. No more tears for druze Tito, no more Bugari-tatari etc. etc. :cheers:

And finally that FYR won't be replaced with something like this (http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/mklion356bc/FILTH/Ilirida1.jpg) or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R45F89jWJ84)

Well it seems Ukraine has come to the rescue again;) :D

Македонија побара итен увоз на жито од Украина

21.09.2007

Украина ќе ја спасува земјава од кризата за добиточна храна. Владината делегација, предводена од вицепремиерот за економски прашања Ставревски, на дводневната посета на Украина побарала итен увоз на пченка, јачмен и пченица.

И покрај тоа што Украина пред помалку од еден месец поради кризата со која и самата се соочува го забрани извозот на пченка јачмен и пченица, тамошната Влада ветила дека преку Асоцијацијата на преработувачи ќе ги овозможи потребните количества.

„Клучниот дел од дискусијата исто така беше набавката на пченица и добиточна храна, пред се пченка и јачмен, заради коишто побаравме од Министерството за земјоделство и Министерството за економија да ни излезат во пресрет, бидејќи Украина е една од малкуте земји коишто имаат вишок на пченица и добиточна храна“, изјави Зоран Ставревски, вицепремиер за економски прашања.

„Сега останува тоа да го финализираме и да обезбедиме она што е насушно потребно за земјоделците, и тоа по цена која веројатно ќе биде пониска од она што сега го има на пазарот“, додаде Ставревски.

Се очекува до крајот на месецов да стигнат првите количества. Засега од Владата велат дека ќе се увезе онолку колку што треба за да се ублажи кризата и дека цените ќе бидат пониски од сегашните.

Фармерите веќе три месеци едвај го прехрануваат добитокот. Неколку пати апелираа дека со скапа зрнеста храна ќе ги испразнат шталите. Годинава поради сушата, родот на зрнестата храна е преполовен, а цената на јачменот и пченката порасна за дури 70%.

Годишните потреби за добиточна храна се 150.000 тони, а недостигот се проценува на 60.000 тони. Најголеми потрошувачи на добиточна храна се живинарството и свињарството.
http://a1.com.mk/vesti/default.asp?VestID=84162


It says that Macedonia has asked for quick import of wheat and corn, agricultural products. The vice premier for economical questions Zoran Stavrevski is on a two day visit there. Apparently Ukraine was in some sort of crisis a month ago where it banned the export of its own agricultural products of wheat and corn, but through some organisation over there they'll make it possible to send some over for Macedonia.

It's so nice of a distant country to help out this way, and it's not the first time :cheers:

^^ bgrs,

Bulgaria was the first country in the world to recognize Macedonia as a sovereign state. It was also the first country in the world that right from the get-go recognized Macedonia not by the abreviation of FYROM, but simply and honourably as the Republic of Macedonia. All of Bulgaria's governments, from that of Zhelev to that of the present, have been lobbying the UN and its members to stimulate other countries to do this! So while many Macedonians don't like Bulgaria or see a hidden agenda for our country's positive behaviour in this regard, I can simply say that I am happy and proud that no other country has been this determined to help Macedonia to be recognized the way in which Macedonians want it to be recognized.

Soon many other countries will follow, and perhaps one day only Greece will keep insisting on calling Macedonia FYROM... It's just crazy! Anyhow, congrats to Macedonia. :)

My friend the problem with Bulgaria's '1st' recognition of Macedonia arises from the fact that Bulgaria loudly and clearly stated that they recognise the existance of a Macedonian Repubic, but do not recognise the existance of the ethnic macedonian majority within that Republic. Following this, Turkey and Russia recognised the Republic of Macedonia aswell but unlike Bulgaria, did not make an attempt at denying the existance of the Macedonian ethnicity.

Something interesting, Srgjan Kerim, a Macedonian politician (formerly foreign minister) has been elected the president of the 62nd session of the UN general assembly:) http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2007/ga10597.doc.htm

It's good to see such figures making it out there. I think the last Macedonian politician to hold the seat was Lazar Mojsov, but then he would have been a Yugoslavian politician. While i guess it's not as much of a big deal seeing how there have been so many other people's of different backgrounds being the presidents, it's good to see someone from Macedonia on a global scale:)

^^ Is this the guy?

Macedonia’s name sparks dispute at UN
NEW YORK -- The new UN General Assembly president sparked dispute with Greece by referring to his home country Macedonia by its name.

On Tuesday, Srgjan Kerim called the Balkan country's head of state, Branko Crvenkovski, as president of the Republic of Macedonia when he came to the rostrum to address world leaders, prompting an immediate protest from the Greek ambassador in the chamber...

B92 (http://www.b92.net/eng/news/globe-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=09&dd=26&nav_category=117&nav_id=44059)

Damn, he just got elected and he's already making trouble. :)

Yeah that's him. Although he didn't do anything wrong, and it wasn't necessary for the 'other side' to make a problem out of it.

When asked by the Greek diplomats why he used the name R. of Macedonia instead of the UN name FYROM, he replied elegantly that as president of the assembly he had a duty to respect every country in the UN including his own. Ha! :):):):):):):):):):)

Well it's proper respect and acknowledgment of other humans, you'd expect the same from anyone else who is in such a position, although that's not always the case.

@new bulgaria, I think U'd be interested in these news. For the others, a Bulgarian bank is making an aquisition of a small sized Macedonian bank.

ПРЕТСТАВНИЦИТЕ НА ЦЕНТРАЛНА КООПЕРАТИВНА БАНКА ОД СОФИЈА, В ПОНЕДЕЛНИК, ПРИСТИГНУВААТ ВО СКОПЈЕ


Поштенска банка се продава на бугарска бренд банка!


Софиската банка е заинтересирана да купи 66,66 отсто од акциите во Поштенска за што в понеделник ќе бараат согласност од НБРМ


Поштенска банка - Скопје се продава на Централна кооперативна банка од Софија. Ова вчера за Вечер го потврдија првите луѓе на Поштенска. Тимот од бугарската банка в понеделник пристигнува во Скопје кога се очекува да достават барање до гувернерот на Народната банка на Македонија, Петар Гошев, за добивање согласност за купување на Банката. Официјални извори од Поштенска велат дека бугарската банка веќе поднела барање и до Централната банка на Софија за добивање согласност за вложување во Македонија.

Претставниците на софиската банка на гувернерот ќе му го претстават својот бизнис-план и стратегијата за развој на банката. Претходно е добиена и условна согласност од Владата која во Поштенска ја поседува златната акција. Имено, Бугарите се заинтересирани да го купат доминантниот пакет-акции, односно 66,66 отсто од акциите кои во Поштенска ги поседува Еуростандард банка, додека 33,33 отсто од акциите и натаму остануваат во сопственост на Македонски пошти.

Со ова завршува процесот за продажба на Поштенска банка, која од Народната банка на Македонија доби рок да се продаде до 15 овој месец. Според информациите на Вечер целата процедура за продажба на Поштенска ја водеше консултантската куќа Дилојт и Туш. Тие испратија понуди до 18 банки од ЕУ, 8 од нив пројавија интерес за банката, а 6 доставиле понуди. За најповолна е одбрана понудата на Централната кооперативна банка од Софија.

Оваа банка важи за една од поголемите во Бугарија со капитал од околу 38 милиони евра. Таа е банка лидер за поддршка на аграрот и е членка на Европската асоцијација на кооперативни банки. Најголем акционер со 67 отсто од капиталот во банката е ЦКБ групацијата.

CKB?!?

That's the TIM's bank!!!

Say welcome to the Bulgarian commie mafia capital! Oh shit... I doubt whether they'd going to change this bank for good. Though they really have their success with Bulgaria Air to a certain extent...now those guys said the are going to build their new HQ in Sofia, a 52-story skyscraper. I'm very anxious to see what's going to happen with their great plans, heh...but anyway, don't expect anything good from them..

CKB?!?

That's the TIM's bank!!!

Say welcome to the Bulgarian commie mafia capital! Oh shit... I doubt whether they'd going to change this bank for good. Though they really have their success with Bulgaria Air to a certain extent...now those guys said the are going to build their new HQ in Sofia, a 52-story skyscraper. I'm very anxious to see what's going to happen with their great plans, heh...but anyway, don't expect anything good from them..


meh... it's a small bank (Postenska), it's not some big or meaningfull enterance. Altough 2-3 years ago ING was interested for it but the deal failed in the last minute because of unknown but very predicable reasons. The main catch in Macedonia is Komercijalna banka and than come a few mid sized banks.

btw there was another Bulgarian investment a few days ago, I forgot the company (nothing grand) it aquired a cable factory in Negotino which hasen't been operating good lately cause of bad management but it used to kick ass until 7-8 years ago.

I don't understand why they acquired it. CKB is not a large bank here too, and its founded just to be the TIM's bank holding the TIM companies' money. I don't know of anyone that uses their services and they are not advertised much here...though on a second thought I remember a TV ad a long time ago...

Dunno, I have very mixed feelings towards them. From one perspective, they are the only huge semi-legal mafia group that survived and managed to legalise their business...OTOH...their history is not so bright, blah..

CKB?!?

That's the TIM's bank!!!

Say welcome to the Bulgarian commie mafia capital! Oh shit... I doubt whether they'd going to change this bank for good. Though they really have their success with Bulgaria Air to a certain extent...now those guys said the are going to build their new HQ in Sofia, a 52-story skyscraper. I'm very anxious to see what's going to happen with their great plans, heh...but anyway, don't expect anything good from them..


:(

Fucking great! A year ago we had ING interested in them, now they are being taken over by a small shady bank from the neighborhood.

:bash:

Yep, I can recall a large cable manifacturer here, they have a large commie-times factory in Burgas. Though I can't recall their name (Kabelkomers I think, but I'm not sure). I don't know who owns them now...could be even TIM, heh :) BTW they used to be quite a large company there, years ago, they opened a large cables store in my town. I always wondered why did they do that, cause you see, the size of the store was inadequate to the number of their potential clients. It was kinda shop + a show room.

Thanks Dewrob.

I don't know what to say. Central Cooperative Bank ( WWW.CCB.BG ) is certainly not big by Bulgarian standards. As BGRS said, it is the arm of the most influential industrial conglomerate in Bulgaria nowadays Chimimport aka TIM. TIM is actually the old name. I also agree with his comment that TIM is the only surviving titan of the old shady (not the say all illegal) business. They have been very aggressive in changing their reputation and playing fair. Recently, they had the biggest initial public offering on the Bulgarian Stock Exchange. The company is flushed with cash and is looking for a place to park it. Buying a small bank in Macedonia is just a minor investment for them. I don't know what their strategy is. They probably plan to acquire more businesses in MK and service them with Postenska.

I like First Investment Bank much better (parent of Unibank in MK). Their money is clean (the EBRD was a minority shareholder in it until recently). Their products are very popular in Bulgaria, the bank operates in Cyprus and grows very aggresively in Albania under the same brand. I don't have any observations how Unibank is doing.

By the way, ING closed its retail banking in BG and transfered all retail accounts to Piraeus Bank. It currently focuses only on institutional clients.

Some pictures from Toshe's recent concert in Melbourne
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/littlequeenb/Tose%20Proeski%2029-09-07/PICT0684.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/littlequeenb/Tose%20Proeski%2029-09-07/PICT0689.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/littlequeenb/Tose%20Proeski%2029-09-07/PICT0691.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/littlequeenb/Tose%20Proeski%2029-09-07/PICT0707.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/littlequeenb/Tose%20Proeski%2029-09-07/PICT0719.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/littlequeenb/Tose%20Proeski%2029-09-07/PICT0717.jpg

http://i24.tinypic.com/2woam8p.jpg

http://i24.tinypic.com/4qpyt5.jpg

http://i23.tinypic.com/10crvy9.jpg

http://i23.tinypic.com/2ql4i75.jpg

http://i24.tinypic.com/2zguhxk.jpg

http://i24.tinypic.com/n3olly.jpg

Too bad he didn't come my way!! :tongue:

He came to Perth, i took a pic with him since i was one of the co-orginisers of his Perth concert. It was a great night, girls galore :)

He came to Perth, i took a pic with him since i was one of the co-orginisers of his Perth concert. It was a great night, girls galore :)
Oh yeah i heard he was making a trip to Perth too! Awesome:) :okay: congrats

He held this mega-concert in Skopje yesterday. According to my sister he put on a great show. The thing I laughed my ass about was when Sitel did their news at 21h you could hear Toshe screaming in the background (Sitel's studios are right next to the city stadium, where he was preforming) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He held this mega-concert in Skopje yesterday. According to my sister he put on a great show. The thing I laughed my ass about was when Sitel did their news at 21h you could hear Toshe screaming in the background (Sitel's studios are right next to the city stadium, where he was preforming) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hahahaha that would have been funny:D i wonder how the reporters didn't laugh;)

RUSKI TATNEFT MAKEDONIJI NUDI ENERGETSKI SPAS VRIJEDAN 400 MILIONA EURA

Kompanija Tatneft iz ruske pokrajine Tatristan želi uložiti 400 milijuna eura u Makedoniju u koridor 221. Kompanija u okviru ovog koridora želi izgraditi primaran i sekundaran plinovod te 2 hidroelektrane na rijeci ...

... Vardar.

Tatneft od makedonske vlade traži sveukupnu investiciju od 10 posto, kako bi imala svoj udio u kompaniji koja bise osnovala za realiziranje ovog projekta. Iz spomenute kompanije već su podnijeli zahtjev makedonskoj vladi, no još uvijek nisu dobili odgovor.

Tatneft je među prvih 5 proizvođača nafte i plina u Rusiji. Prošle godine je kompanija proizvela 25,4 milijuna tona nafte te 736 milijuna metara kubnih plina. Inače iza cijele spomenute investicije stoji belgijski financijski fond ALEKS

http://www.biznis.ba/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17099&Itemid=59
:cheers:

^^

:cheers:

son of a bitch, Tose Proeski died today in a car accident in Croatia. He was without a doubt the most succesfull Macedonian pop music performee of today. RIP :ohno:

http://www.build.com.mk/docs/tose.jpg

P.S. Dejan, GreatMacedon and Gotsomekicks just posted pics and comments about him a couple of posts up about his Australia gigs and the big humanitarian concert in Skopje

^^ http://dnevnik.hr/naslovnica/vijesti/crnakronika/20071016_28177.php

Too bad ... :ohno: R.I.P. I have heard he is very popular all over ex-yu...

VSllN95UKow

So many young people die these days on the roads in car accidents... It's a shame:ohno:

Damn, I heard the guy sing Zajdi, Zajdi a couple of days ago on YouTube. Such a misfortune!!!

Whooops! Turnovec, you have it posted it above, but I saw him sing the same song on Pink TV.

Damn, I heard the guy sing Zajdi, Zajdi a couple of days ago on YouTube. Such a misfortune!!!

Whooops! Turnovec, you have it posted it above, but I saw him sing the same song on Pink TV.
Yeah he does a very good performance of it.

Whooops! Turnovec, you have it posted it above, but I saw him sing the same song on Pink TV.

Yep , i like how he sings that song ... but definetely don't like much the other ala yugo-pop from the 80-ies style of singing that i have heard of him... you know "Ja sam te vooooleeeeo, ti si me cheeeekaaaalaaa, nema sreeeeceee za naaaas, ubiiicuuuu seee ..." and all that too slobbery and dramatic lyrics. That is maybe the reason he was so liked only in the ex-yu and in Bulgaria hardly someone have heard about him.

But his performance of "zajdi, zajdi" is really great... R.I.P. :ohno: Мир на праха му .....

Yep , i like how he sings that song ... but definetely don't like much the other ala yugo-pop from the 80-ies style of singing that i have heard of him... you know "Ja sam te vooooleeeeo, ti si me cheeeekaaaalaaa, nema sreeeeceee za naaaas, ubiiicuuuu seee ..." and all that too slobbery and dramatic lyrics. That is maybe the reason he was so liked only in the ex-yu and in Bulgaria hardly someone have heard about him.

But his performance of "zajdi, zajdi" is really great... R.I.P. :ohno: Мир на праха му .....
u r full of shit!
he had so many good lirics, if u don´t listen to his music how come u know what was singing about?!

u r full of shit!
he had so many good lirics, if u don´t listen to his music how come u know what was singing about?!

I agree, he had very nice songs even though I don't listen to that kind of music in general.

u r full of shit!
he had so many good lirics, if u don´t listen to his music how come u know what was singing about?!

Listen, the fact that Toshe was known even in Slovenija impresses me a lot .... but take for example the Eurovision contest. This year the unknown Elitza Todorova, and the famous only among the jazz and ethno fans in Bulgaria Stoyan Yankulov, made it to the 5th place with one totaly improvised song, while the macedonian , ex-yugoslavia and balkan stars Toshe Proeski and Karolina Goceva no matter how hard they tried made it only to the 14th spot. That doesn't speak about Toshe's vocal abilities, but maybe speaks to what degree his kind of music is liked by an audience wider than ex-yugoslavia. I am stopping here because it is ugly to talk such things in a moment like this. That is why i posted his performance of "zajdi, zajdi " and not some other of his tracks ... He sings that song really great , and the lyrics of "zajdi, zajdi" are better than all his other songs that i have heard. And after all it is my personal opinion. He will be remembered as one of the many great vocals that came out of the Balkans ... along with the pleiad of world famous opera singers(tenors, sopranos, baritones, basses) , along with the Balkan lady that sang first on Lucano Pavarotti's funeral etc. etc....

May He rest in peace!

@ BanLuka


True

Turnovec always has some ugly hidden message in his posts. He is so filled with hatred and so obsessed with his delusional view of the world, that he is obviously beyond repair. I actually feel sorry for him, no matter that he is the nastiest person I have encountered on SSC.

Errr....Turnovec is the only one on the SSC I know personally. We worked at the same company years ago (I was kinda shocked to understand it). I absolutely don't think he's full of hatred and an evil person. Anyway, that's my personal opinion. But at least I know him better than most others on the SSC do for sure :)

^^ Why do you fool them bgrs ??? :tongue2:

OK then, you are evil :)

^^Both of you can leave this topic with your negativism, none of us here care when your views mean nothing to us so leave us alone. And have some respect for christs sake, we're HUMAN after all too.

Yep, that's exactly what I'm going to do. Stay positive.

I agree, he had very nice songs even though I don't listen to that kind of music in general.

Ditto.

bgrs, while I have great respect for you, I have the lowest possible opinion about turnovec. Do you think this is without any reason??? Of course not. While you have earned your respect, turnovec has only given me reasons to despise him. Maybe you just don't notice the disgusting hidden messages he has been sending because he tries hard to camouflage as a nice guy. But unfortunately for him, he just looks more miserable with all that hypocrisy.


dejan, there's no need to turn on bgrs. I think he is nothing like the psychopath turnovec

^^ wow wow ... calm down bhoy... Do you think i would go that low to respond you with a personal bashing ? I am out of here and sincerely don't care about your opinion anymore.

Some info about CableTel:

Bulgarian cable operator CableTEL network reaches Albania

CableTEL, the Bulgarian cable TV, Internet and voice company, said it has registered a subsidiary in Albania and will announced by the end of the year significant investments in the cable market of that country.

The Bulgarian cable operator is expanding its backbone in the direction of Albania which will soon become part of CableTEL's cross-Balkan optic-fibre ring.

CableTEL is taking a stab at the Albanian market after setting foot in neighboring Macedonia and Serbia.

'We control over 60% of the cable market in Macedonia and plan to ascend to the top position in Serbia within a year,' said CableTEL executive director Dimitar Radev. The Serbian subsidiary of the company should secure a registration by the end of 2008.

CableTEL is also eyeing the Turkish cable market where expansion plans are bogged down by the delayed privatisation of incumbent telco Turk Telekom.

The company has so far spent 120-150 mln euro on the deployment and acquisition of cable infrastructure in Bulgaria and plans to invest as much in Macedonia and Serbia, Radev said.

In related news, CableTEL Wednesday announced the commercial start of its digital TV service in 22 population centers.

The company will transmit digitally 240 TV channels, including per-per-view content.

CableTEL also plans to offer subscribers a digital video recorder option which allows them to record up to 200 hours of video content in a digital format on a disk drive.

The company said it will add to its program line-up the North American Sports Network from this fall.

The speed of the Internet access bundled in CableTEL's triple play package has been doubled to 2Mbps.

The monthly subscription for the triple play service costs 40 levs and, in addition to Internet, it provides access to six TV channels and a voice service with 150 min of free calls to fixed-line networks.(Dnevnik)

^^Interesting.
It would have to compete against Digitalb which is the company owned by Top Media.

wow it sounds REALLY good actually, triple play package wow

Some info about CableTel:...

That triple play service sounds good (cheap :) )

^^

nice avatar :) I thought the browser was screwing with me

^^

nice avatar :) I thought the browser was screwing with me

:D Thx, if I could just get rid of that user title it would be perfect.

:D Thx, if I could just get rid of that user title it would be perfect.

U mean that little dot?

Yep, it seems that you have to put in something or it goes back to the default "Registered user".

wow it sounds REALLY good actually, triple play package wow

They have been offering the triple play package in Bulgaria for a while now. For those who live in the States, we know that this is pretty much a standard here now. All cable operators offer the three services in a bundle as a way to steal business and revenues from the old telecoms. As it usually happens, it doesn't take long for the telecoms to retaliate; Verizon (the largest telecom in the NY area started offering the 3-in-1 deal.

By the way, here is their English version of the website: http://www.cabletel.bg/?lang=en&p=home

^^ btw , Eurokom(are they cabletel owned? ) runs now a strong advertising campaign for the same service. they called it TRIPLE PLAY - cable Internet, 80 TV programms , and 40 free minutes of local calls for just 15 euro per month.

^^ btw , Eurokom(are they cabletel owned? ) runs now a strong advertising campaign for the same service. they called it TRIPLE PLAY - cable Internet, 80 TV programms , and 40 free minutes of local calls for just 15 euro per month.

Eurokom is not owned by CableTel. Actually, Eurokom is also foreign owned and is CableTel's main competitor. I am really glad that they have launched their 3-in-1 package.

It's all about competition baby! Consumers win!

^^

True
Those guys seem to have shaken the market here. My operator put me on 4Mbps instead of 1Mbps for the same price :banana: And those T-mobile bastards offered cheaper and faster ADSL too.

That's good. Hopefully CableTel will do the same in Serbia and Albania.

^^

True
Those guys seem to have shaken the market here. My operator put me on 4Mbps instead of 1Mbps for the same price :banana: And those T-mobile bastards offered cheaper and faster ADSL too.

they did but it's more becaose of the pompous entry on the market which perhaps scared the other players or maybe something because of something that's coming up than something they actually did. The opposite, they have been lagging with their plans, the new network was supposed to be up and running by September with a big promotion of the company and their products... Yet we still see an ununified program schedule in different areas from them which means they still haven't unified the network. They offered cheaper internet after the Telecom took it's ADSL down first, OnNet and the cable operators only followed.

I don't say their entry didn't bring anything good I'm just saying they still haven't fulfilled what they promised. To be fair though they had a hostile welcome from some of the compatition your beloved Telekabel to start.

Yep, it seems that you have to put in something or it goes back to the default "Registered user".

Try "______________". Altho the dot is fine too ;)

„Алфа финансиски холдинг“ од Бугарија ќе ја купи „Интернационална Приватна банка“ АД Скопје
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Народна банка на Република Македонија донесе решение со кое е издаде согласност на „Алфа финансиски холдинг“ од Бугарија за стекнување 100% од вкупниот број акции во „Интернационална Приватна банка“ АД Скопје.
Трансакцијата за стекнување на акциите треба да се изврши во рок од 180 дена од денот на добивањето на согласност од гувернерот, соопшти НБРМ.
Во соопштението стои дека во рамките на „Алфа финансиски холдинг“ има финансиски дел кој се состои од друштво за управување со фондови, два инвестициони фонда, друштво за купопродажба на побарувања, друштво на купување и управување на недвижен имот и друштво кое претставува примарен дилер со државни хартии од вредност во Бугарија.

За овие друштва е издадена лиценца од страна на Комисијата за финансиски надзор од Бугарија. Работењето на холдингот е концентрирано во најголем дел во Бугарија, но и во регионот на Србија, Турција, Украина и Романија.
Согласно ревидираните консолидирани финансиски извештаи, вкупниот потенцијал на „Алфа финансиски холдинг“ на крајот на 2006 година изнесувал 118,7 милиони евра, а капиталната позитива изнесува 40 милиони евра.
(Тотал)

^^Cool, thanks for the news:)

Македонци свалят цените на хапчетата
Комшиите отварят 300 нови аптеки у нас

Македонски аптеки ще свалят цената на лекарствата у нас с 30%. Фармацевтичната верига "Зегин" готви мощен десант на родния пазар, научи "Стандарт". До 2 години ще отворим 300 аптеки в цяла България, заяви представителят на фирмата Томо Аврамски.

Първите 14 ще се появят в Благоевград и областта. Само в Пиринския край ще вложим близо 4 млн. евро до края на годината, допълни Аврамски. Още 40 млн. евро ще бъдат инвестирани през 2008 г. в Кюстендил, Перник и София. Цените в аптеките на "Зегин" със сигурност ще са по-ниски от българските, обещават комшиите.

Македонското дружество е клон на известната исландска корпорация за производство и търговия на лекарства и медикаменти "Милестоне".

Hmmm, the hatred just seems to grow and grow. I pray for the day when MacBulgar children everywhere will hold hands and sing happy little songs with a 'yasno slontse' to light up their innocent faces. BTW, I too am evil, psychotic and full of hatred! :( Apparently I'm also gay and narcissistic! :banana2: :naughty:

MacBulgar children everywhere

I was at McDonalds the other day and didnt see any MacBulgar special on their menu:D

Hmmm, the hatred just seems to grow and grow. I pray for the day when MacBulgar children everywhere will hold hands and sing happy little songs with a 'yasno slontse' to light up their innocent faces. BTW, I too am evil, psychotic and full of hatred! :( Apparently I'm also gay and narcissistic! :banana2: :naughty:
What are you on about? :? and it's sonce:D

I was at McDonalds the other day and didnt see any MacBulgar special on their menu:D
I bet you saw a bigMAK on their menu;) hehehe