help plz help

[dave550]

Help someone. Do you see what is happening in these forums. They are insulting all muslims including Prophet Muhammed (PBUH). plz u guys do something, here is the link check it out for urself:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=311263&page=1&pp=20

[Towers]

ofcourse they are, they will always do that because they have one thing is common their hatred of islam :bash:

[Halawala]

Hi, Dave, Towers. Its been almost a month since I last posed in SSC. I think we should go and defend Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) since it is the least we could do. We already boycotted Danish and Norweigan things from the supermarket so hopefully the Danish economiy will suffer. Good luck you guys.

[Dismanirie]

Islam prohibits all images and depictions of a prophet, and not simply of Mohamed (pbuh). However, there is no uproar from the Muslim community when images of prophets other than Mohamed (pbuh) are depicted in even a negative light. How come?

[dave550]

That's a good question Dismanirie. There is a lot of factors. You have to remember that the images of the prophet Jesus is part of the traditions of the Christian religion and we have no right to tell them that they shouldn't do this. But when it comes to something concerning our prophet and in a very bad image it is our right to say no, because they have stepped on our freedom to be left alone and to have the respect for our beliefs. This is a lot more than just the prophet getting insulted it is also an insult for the second nation in this world. Believe I have seen images for Jesus that are supposed to be insulting too "in south park" but unfortunately I can not say or do anything but hate these people that allowed themselves to portray him in these ways, cause unfortunately the only people who did this were his won followers.

[omarmakki]

Thank God, the thread is finally closed...

[DenverDane]

The paper which published the cartoons has apologized for insulting the Muslims.
http://www.jp.dk/meninger/ncartikel:aid=3527646

Please remember that this paper is independent (i.e., not controlled by the Danish government), and that these cartoons don't reflect the general opinion about Islam in Denmark. The Danish companies which are hurting because of the boycott have nothing to do with these cartoons.

[dave550]

I think that DenverDane is kindda right. But as you know that people aren't gonna take it that easily, since they are still waiting for an official apology from the Denmark.

[DenverDane]

Thanks, dave550, for seeing some of my points.

A majority of the Danish people can understand why Muslims are offended by the cartoons (a poll showed yesterday), but I'm sure most cannot understand why the answer is to boycott the whole country because of a cartoon. There are much more serious issues in the world, which we should help solve together.

If everyone started to boycott another country when they found something offensive in another country's paper, fact is that no country would be able to sell anything outside its own borders.

Why not just recommend to boycott the paper responsible?

[dave550]

They are just trying to make them feel guilty, I don't know if it's gonna work though. Some say that if you do this then by the end of this year the Denmark is gonna lose about E34B, which am not sure about either

[Qatar4Ever]

I am for a boycott of all denmark and anything to do with it.

I believe in freedom of speech and i shouldnt impose my believes on others. However I want the muslim world to send the west a strong msg. Anyone who chooses to cross the line with things muslims consider to be so sacred they will suffer economically.

This show of unity shows the world how strong the muslim world can be if we choose to unite.

This is the only way the world will take the muslim world seriously and a economical boycott is 1,000 times better than a bomb or anything like that.

[DenverDane]

^^ Quatar4Ever: Boycotts and threats will not make the West understand Muslims better. I'm afraid it will cause the exact opposite. :(

Personally, I think it would be much better with dialog and perhaps a petition where you (the Muslims) explain how much this issue hurt you and why - and then send this to the Western media.

There are much more serious issues in the world than a stupid cartoon, and we should help solve these together. Peace.

[dave550]

DenverDane, your suggestion sounds pragmatic, but I don't think that these cartoons were just some stupid cartoons. This really means a lot to us, and I hope that the west is starting to realize that.

[DenverDane]

^^ Exactly, therein lies the whole problem: to the West they are just (stupid) cartoons but not to the Muslims. That's why we should try to understand each other's points of view instead of causing more stir.

[dave550]

You are right, but you really think that Islamic counttries would go and use their "the european" media to tell the Europeans how much we "muslims" signify this man "Mohammed PBUH." I don't think so. Countries don't act like that, but this doesn't mean that they shouldn't.

[Qatar4Ever]

Denver cartoons also wont help the muslim world better understand the west and bring us closer. Instead they did the opposite.

[DenverDane]

^^ That's true. I also found the pictures offensive, but note that it's not only JP that does these kind of things. Here are some cartoons from a Quatar paper.
http://www.adl.org/Anti_semitism/arab/qatar_cartoons.asp
(don't worry, I won't recommend boycotting Quatar now! ;))

This is why I mean that instead of attacking/boycotting the nation, we should show our disgust with the actual people responsible for the cartoons instead of the whole nation.

[dave550]

DenverDane, I am against all these cartoons, but you missed something. These cartoons are not anti-semitic. In fact Qataris are Semitic people and they can't be against themselves. And also they are not anti-judaism, because we believe that the star of David isn't representing Judaism but in fact Israel. These cartoons are against the policies of Israel. Which I am against, because the ideas that it represents aren't supported by a proof or evidence.

[Qatar4Ever]

These cartoons are political and indicate israel rather than judism. Totally different.

[Halawala]

Danish goods back in Qatar!

Retailers in Qatar have begun selling Danish products after a two month ban was imposed following the publication of a blasphemous cartoon which triggered Arab-wide boycotts, reported The Peninsula. Dairy products by Arla Foods are now available, and pharmacies have restocked Danish medicines.

[Ozcan]

I am for a boycott of all denmark and anything to do with it.

I believe in freedom of speech and i shouldnt impose my believes on others. However I want the muslim world to send the west a strong msg. Anyone who chooses to cross the line with things muslims consider to be so sacred they will suffer economically.

This show of unity shows the world how strong the muslim world can be if we choose to unite.

This is the only way the world will take the muslim world seriously and a economical boycott is 1,000 times better than a bomb or anything like that.The problem is that nobody will take Muslims seriously or understand them better, when they choose to react the way they do (all those violent mass demonstrations, death threats, flag burnings, shouting hateful slogans etc.) There should have been rational and civil protests instead. The only thing violence will cause is counter violence.

[Halawala]

The problem is that nobody will take Muslims seriously or understand them better, when they choose to react the way they do (all those violent mass demonstrations, death threats, flag burnings, shouting hateful slogans etc.) There should have been rational and civil protests instead. The only thing violence will cause is counter violence.

but a boycott is not violent or threatening.

[Qatarifreak]

There will always be hatred towards others unfortunately. But we can't spend our time trying to enlighten and change the few who are ignorant. Conflict is the not the solution here. What I grew to learn is that when someone hates another group, what they are experiencing is a reflection of their one self-hatred. This brins up fear, and fear is a catalyst for such ignorant comments as we have read.
I've heard many people say to me "You're not like the typical Arab" meaning that all of their stereotypes simply dissolve when they meet me, because I'm educated and open-minded. I respond by telling the person that he/she must not have met many Arabs/Muslims. This is one way one can resolve the rampant ignorance and false perceptions of who Muslims or Arabs are to the Western World.
I'm proud to be a Qatari, because we are a good example of what a tolerant, educated, and forward thinking society should be like. We can definitely improve the lives of the expatriate workers though, who come here and leave their families behind by offering them rights that are protected and held up in court and by establishing more decent labor laws.